December 4, 2024 • 33 mins
Ever wondered how biblical stories can captivate the digital-savvy youth of today? Join us for a compelling conversation with Craig D Hut, the innovative co-founder of Appian Media, as he unveils his journey from film school to becoming a pioneer in digital biblical storytelling. Discover how Craig's passion for intriguing narratives, like the story of a financial scam wrapped in biblical secrets, fuels his creative pursuits. With experiences from traveling to biblical locations and engaging with diverse cultures, Craig discusses his vision of leveraging limitless resources to spread the gospel and address global needs.
Immerse yourself in our exploration of the evolving world of Christian media, where we tackle the delicate balance between artistic creativity and the integrity of biblical accuracy. Craig shares insights on how the landscape of faith-based films and television series is expanding beyond Hollywood's borders. Hear about the challenges and triumphs in producing high-quality Christian content and why continuous investment in talent is crucial. Get a sneak peek into Appian Media's upcoming projects, including an exciting series on the Book of Acts and a children's series based on the Exodus. This episode promises to enrich your understanding of the cultural impact of Christian media today.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello everyone, thanks again for joining me on
another episode of the DorsiRush show.
Today we have a special guestwith us.
His name is Craig D Hutt.
He and his business partner,Stuart, created Appian Media in
2015 when they saw a lack ofbiblical materials in video form
(00:29):
for young people.
Over the years, they havetraveled the world filming Bible
study materials that can bedigested via digital media.
Craig, thank you so much forcoming on the show today.
Thanks for having me,Absolutely so.
As I said, I'd like to open upwith a couple of icebreaker
(00:52):
questions, and the firstquestion I have is what was the
last thing you looked for,either on Spotify or on Apple
Music?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
either on Spotify or on Apple Music.
On Apple Music, oh, it'sinteresting.
I used to work in radio and Iused to listen to music a lot,
and I actually have found myselfnot listening to it a lot
recently.
Besides podcasts, does thatcount?
You can listen to podcasts onSpotify.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, we'll do podcasts, all right.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
So I was recently listening to a podcast called
the Missing 49 Million, and it'sa story of basically a scam
that a guy was running probablyabout a decade or so ago,
claiming to have the ultimateartificial intelligence that he
found in secrets from the Bible,and scammed people out of $49
(01:46):
million that was never accountedfor.
So things like that, likeinteresting stories, unsolved a
lot of times unsolved mysteriesare things that I enjoy
listening to while I'm out for arun or while I'm driving.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, I like to listen to on on Apple TV.
I'll watch, you know, storiesor documentaries on people who
have gone missing and and neverfound, that type of that type of
thing.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
If you had unlimited resources, would it be money
technology?
What would you do with it?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Oh man, if I had unlimited resources, I would
certainly share that with others.
I would try to find a way toexpand what we're doing with
Appian Media, trying to get thegospel in front of as many
people as possible.
To me, I think that's the mostworthwhile endeavor.
Obviously, if we can providefor the physical needs of people
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along the way, I think that'sthe most worthwhile endeavor.
Obviously, if we can providefor the physical needs of people
along the way, I think thatwould be beneficial.
But people need Jesus, and soI'd try to find a way to get it
to as many people as possible.
Amen, tell us a little bit moreabout yourself, your background,
how you got into what you'redoing Sure, so I live in the
Indianapolis area with my wife,Karen, and our three kiddos, and
(03:08):
I graduated film school back in2007.
And since that time have workedin a variety of media
professions worked in news, I'vedone documentary.
I even for a year or sodeveloped mobile games.
I was an animator andillustrator for some mobile
games, which was a fun diversion.
(03:29):
But since high school really, Ihave been fascinated with
telling stories through mediathrough film and TV, and
recorded media and found aftercoming out of film school that
telling stories of real people,capturing events and things that
(03:50):
are actually happening withreal people, is something that
I've just really been attractedto, and so I work as a freelance
video producer now for the lasteight or nine years, in
addition to the work that I dofor Appian Media.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Why are you passionate about what you do?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Well, twofold One, passionate about telling stories
through media.
I've just been fascinated withtechnology and storytelling.
As a kid I used to just writestories and rewrite stories and
then found that I could do thatin video and in pictures and
it's a fun's a.
It's a fun creative outlet, andI'm passionate because the
technology is always changing,the tools are always changing,
(04:32):
so it's never the same.
I kind of hate, you know,routine or redundancy.
I, like you, know trying newthings.
As far as what I'm doing withAppian Media, my my truest,
greatest passion is the Bibleand relationship with God and
with Jesus, and so to be able tocombine those two things
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together to create documentariesand media to help people better
understand the Bible and cometo know God, it's just something
I'm thrilled aboutparticipating in.
It's just something I'mthrilled about participating in.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I read your background and your website and
everything, and you travel a lotoverseas to the Middle East and
to the Holy Land and parts ofthat world to do your
documentaries and to do yourshows and what not.
Have you found anything to doyour documentaries and to do
your, your shows and whatnot?
(05:28):
Have you found anything?
Or have anybody told youstories?
Let me, let me, let me wordthis in a, in a, in a, you know,
not in an appropriate way, butin a way that makes sense, I
guess.
Has anybody told you storiesthat you really don't read about
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in the Bible, if that makessense, about the biblical times?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Okay, I think I understand your question.
Traveling over to those placesis something that I just started
doing when Appian was formed.
So, believe it or not, beforeour first production trip to
Israel, I had never beenoverseas, so that was back in
2016.
Since that time, we've beenable to visit Israel, I guess,
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three different times.
We've been blessed to go toTurkey and to Egypt and to
Jordan, and we encounter peopleof all beliefs and faiths.
Obviously, there are plenty ofpeople who live over there that
believe the biblical text, butyou also have plenty of people
that maybe believe parts of itor none of it, and so, yeah,
(06:37):
it's not uncommon for us toencounter people who are
interested in what we're doing.
They're interested.
I love the openness of peoplethat they're interested to talk
to us about what it is thatwe're doing.
You're carrying cameras around,you kind of attract attention,
and we're more than willing totalk to people.
I distinctly remember aconversation one of our team
members had.
We were at the top of Jabal Musa, which is the traditional
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location of Mount Sinai in theSinai Peninsula, and whether
that's the true Mount Sinai isprobably up for debate for many
of your listeners, but that'sthe one that we chose to climb
up and there was a gentleman upthere who had once believed in
Christianity but also had someIslamic beliefs and was trying
(07:21):
to reconcile those two becausethey're not in perfect alignment
, and our team member, justin,had a great conversation with
him, just kind of talking itthrough and maybe challenging
some ideas and hearing from him,and we welcome that.
We obviously believe that theBible presents biblical truth,
presents truth for all of us,and it's always been encouraging
(07:45):
um.
The archeology and the historythat we find over there is as we
talk to people.
Um has never once proven tocontradict the Bible.
There's quite a bit in theBible we read about we just
haven't found the evidence for.
But one archeologist sharedwith us that, uh, only 5% of the
land of the Bible has actuallybeen excavated.
(08:05):
You've got about 95% that theyjust haven't dug up yet.
So it shouldn't surprise usthen that there are chunks of
the Bible we haven't foundevidence yet for.
But what we have found doescorrespond with what we read.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
It's interesting you mentioned about that 5%.
I had someone recently on myshow in one of my previous
episodes and the same thing thatyou just said that if only 5%
of what the Bible is is what wehave found in that land in that
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area.
(09:17):
Yeah there's so much more thatthey can dig, and he explained
it to us.
It's a matter of time, it's amatter of man, hours, and it's
funding.
Mostly it's funding.
It takes a lot of money.
An archaeologist and very, youknow, peaceful to you, what
about, you know, when I meanobviously right now, we see a
lot of, you know, war going onin that area.
Sure, have you ever felt, youknow, concerned going over there
(09:41):
with that happening?
Or were you ever in that?
Were you ever there when a warwas going on and you were like,
hey, maybe we can have beaten it.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, truthfully, to answer that last question, no,
the last time that I personallywas in Israel was about 2018.
We've done various other tripsin other parts of the Bible
lands Turkey and Egypt andJordan, like I said.
Since then, however, one of ourteam members his name is Barry
Britnell, and he leads toursover to Israel, typically two or
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three of them a year.
There have been periods of time, especially last October, where
he had to postpone a trip lastOctober where he had to postpone
a trip, you know and it wasn'tso much that the whole country
was at war, because that's amistaken idea that people get
when they read the news thewhole country is not currently
at war.
You've got some things down andI'm not trying to minimize any
(10:37):
of it, but it's down near thesouthern border there near Gaza,
and then there's some conflicthappening in the northern part
of Israel, but when you talkabout central Israel, jerusalem
and other things, life is kindof going on like normal for them
.
So Barry was recently overthere, three or four weeks ago,
and took a tour, but usuallythose things get delayed or
(11:00):
postponed, oftentimes becausethe airlines simply choose to
hold flights.
But there is also we don't wantto be unaware and we don't want
to minimize it.
There is always the idea thatyou need to be careful and
considerate of your surroundings.
(11:20):
While we have not necessarilybeen in Israel during this
particular conflict I personallyhave not there have been
instances where we have beenthere.
For example, when we were therein 2018, the embassy was
currently being moved from TelAviv to Jerusalem.
That's when, then, presidentTrump had made that decision and
that caused a stir.
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It also booked up most of thehotels that we were trying to
get.
There were just tons of peoplein.
I have never felt any moreunsafe in Israel than I do in
your average American large city.
(12:15):
For example, we flew to Turkeyand shot over there for a couple
of weeks, had a great time.
It was actually during 2020,the latter part of 2020, the
country had just opened up andwe were blessed to be able to
get a flight over there andthere were no crowds because
very few people were traveling.
And then we returned and had atwo-day layover in New York City
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, and I love New York.
It's very fascinating, butthere were parts of New York
where I felt more unsafe therethan anywhere I had been in
Turkey, and it's just.
You need to be mindful.
People are people and there are, unfortunately, evil people in
every country, people who wouldseek to do harm in every country
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, and you just need to bethoughtful.
What we have found overall inour trips is, regardless of
their nationality, regardless oftheir religion, regardless of
their upbringing, most peoplehave been incredibly gracious to
us and thoughtful and kind tous, and we have rarely had
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people show any kind ofhostility towards us when we are
over there doing what we'redoing, even if they don't agree
with what it is that we'recommunicating.
People have opened their homesand shared meals with us and
been very thoughtful.
Yeah, it's funny you mentionNew York City, because I'm
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actually originally from NewYork City until 2020.
That's where I lived most of mylife.
Cool, I'd like to see more ofit, but we were traveling to and
from Times Square a littleafter midnight which I've been
told is not wise and we just youknow, I was glad to be
traveling in a group- Right, no,I would not say it's probably
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not an inaccurate statement atall.
Tell us about some of yourdocumentaries that you have done
, sure.
So the first one that we didand it actually took two years,
two production trips to Israelto complete was a series that we
call Following the Messiah, andit was an episodic docu-series
where we trace the footsteps ofJesus, so from the city of
Bethlehem, where he was born, tothe city of Jerusalem, where he
was killed and resurrected, toas many places in between as we
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could.
So we traveled to Galilee andvisited the Jordan and took a
boat out on the Sea of Galilee.
We tried to interact withlocals, we visited Nazareth, we
ate some of the food, and whatwe were really trying to
accomplish with that was just tohelp people understand the
story of Jesus and the story ofthe Bible is not some legend,
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some myth.
Once upon a time, in a land faraway, these places are real,
the history is real, the cultureis there and you can go and see
many of these places exactly asthey're described in the Bible.
We followed that up with aseries, again shot in Israel,
called Searching for a King, andthat was tracing the first
kings of Israel, so King Sauland King David and King Solomon,
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and especially that one wasdealing quite a bit with the
archaeology surrounding thosestories and the Bible in general
.
Can the biblical texts betrusted?
Is it a reliable historicalsource?
Was was one of the thesis umquestions that that we were
pursuing with that, and then weproduced a series, uh, that that
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brought us to Turkey and thatwas to do a series on the seven
churches of revelation.
So in revelation, chapter onethrough three, there's there's
letters written to sevenchurches of Asia minor at the
time, which is now modern dayTurkey, and so we got to visit
places like Ephesus and got tosee just some incredible things
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and as well as interview andtalk with Christians all over
the world modern day, to see howthose letters impact and relate
to us even thousands of yearslater.
And then, just this year, wereleased a series on the Exodus,
we call it, out of Egypt, andthat's what took us to Egypt and
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Jordan back in 2022, where wetraced one of the potential
paths that the Israelites couldhave taken when they were
released from bondage in Egyptthrough what becomes the
wilderness of Jordan into theland of Israel.
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We kind of ended our triplooking past the Dead Sea into
the land of Israel and so thatseries was released, and in
between those times typicallybetween 12 and 18 months between
each major production, we'reproducing numerous podcasts and
workbooks and other smallerseries, children's series and
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devotional study series, allgiving those away for free
online.
People can consume the contentviewed on our website and on our
YouTube channel, because we'retrying to make it available to
as many people as we can.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
I know some Christian movies, you know, or even
Christian TV shows that are outnow.
Sometimes they take artisticlicense.
Now, sometimes they takeartistic license and I'm not
saying they take it out ofcontext of what the Bible is
saying, but they take artisticlicense to what the Bible is
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talking about.
Have you ever done that or whatdo you think about these TV
shows or movies doing that?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Sure, it is a fine line to walk.
Certainly, it's one of thethings that we don't have to
consider as often.
Simply because we're pursuingdocumentary, so we're not
casting actors, we're notwriting scripts, scripts so, for
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example, we don't have anyoneacting as Jesus and giving him
lines and having to wonder isthis something Jesus actually
said, or does this sound likesomething Jesus would actually
say?
Simply because we're pursuingdocumentary, is there a place
for that?
Can that be done well?
I think so.
Has it been done well?
Yes, in many cases has it beendone poorly, where they take so
many artistic licenses that youhave a hard time believing the
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Book of Noah or the Book of Noah, the movie of Noah, russell
Crowe, that is so far removedfrom the biblical text.
It does make it feel like afantasy myth once upon a time.
But there are other people who Ithink are trying very hard to,
even when they give lines tocharacters, filling in some of
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those gaps that we don't havenecessarily in the Gospels.
I appreciate their duediligence.
Would I agree with everycreative decision that they've
made If you and I are boththinking of the same show?
No, frankly, I wouldn't.
You just need to be careful.
You need to be careful, and so,thankfully for us, we're
interviewing real people.
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We're interviewing people whoare living there or experts in
their particular field, and wehave not really delved into the
area of recreating biblicalstories, and so we're always
mindful.
We want the Bible to be thesource in which we're going to,
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and, especially when it comes towords of God and words that
Jesus said, we don't think theyneed any enhancement or
elaboration.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Absolutely.
How does Christian mediacounter the culture of Hollywood
?
Speaker 2 (20:06):
That's a great question and that's something
that's very near and dear to myheart.
When I was in film school andthis was back wow, it's been
almost two decades ago it was nosecret that, at least from the
Hollywood professionals that Iwas learning from, because they
were working in the industryduring the day and then teaching
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classes to many of us theydespised Christians.
They despised anything thatwould prevent them from changing
the culture in the directionthat they were hoping to.
In fact, they referred to us asfilmmakers.
They called us culture changers.
They understood that we couldchange the minds of the masses
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if we packaged our message in away that was easily consumable,
and so for many years Christianscould only really kind of curse
the darkness.
They couldn't really doanything to change that, because
Hollywood had all the money,they had all the talent, they
had all the tools and we couldjust kind of complain about what
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was coming out of Hollywood.
But there wasn't much we coulddo Until the last 20 or 30 years
, where the cost of entry now issignificantly less.
The technology is now much moreavailable and we no longer have
to ask Hollywood for permission.
We can pursue the creativeprojects and counter the culture
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that we desire, that we believe, are in line with God's truth,
and we don't have to go to themfor the tools or the talent.
There are many talentedcreatives out there who have
chosen not to work in Hollywood,and there's just some
incredibly encouraging pocketsof creativity.
That's happening not just herein the US but all over the world
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, and I think we have seen overthe last 15, 20 years it's taken
a little bit of time, frankly,but the quality, the production
value of Christian media andcontent is increasing at a very
encouraging rate, and I've beenthrilled to see not just movies
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and their box office returns but, as you mentioned, television
shows that are being rewardedfor their production value and
for their impact on the culturein a good way.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, you mentioned about the quality of the media,
especially the Christian media,and that was going to be one of
my questions is.
My questions is you know,although we don't see it as much
we used to see, you know, somecheesy Christian you know, or
faith based movies?
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What can faith based media doto make these, to make better
quality videos?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
that's a great question.
I wish I could say I don't seethem anymore.
They are still being made.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Let's be real.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
And.
But what I would say and this isreally what I would say to for
many years I taught students,high school and college age
students about how to createcontent and use media.
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So just because you put out amovie and it is cheesy and it's
hard to watch, hopefully thenext one will be better.
Try to improve upon the lastone, don't just be okay with
your status quo.
What I would also say is findthose who are better in that
field or in that area and seekto hire them.
Offer them competitive wagesand I am thankful to see that
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quality Christian content ismaking money.
When they market it well andthey write it well and they
produce it well, they do get areturn, which then lets them
invest in more talent and investin the people who are doing
their craft well, and so seek toimprove with every project and
learn by doing.
Don't be satisfied just because, yes, I can make a movie for a
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million dollars and all of mychurch friends watch it and I
earn a million dollars in return, like that's not a successful
endeavor.
Seek to do better and hire thepeople, and hire the people who
are skilled at those crafts, andthat will improve exponentially
.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
What is your next project or what is your next
idea coming out of Appian Media?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Well, that's a great question.
We have all kinds of ideas.
We have all kinds of thingsthat we would like to do.
The big answer is there's a lotmore of the Bible to cover.
Frankly, we have not coveredmuch of it and there's a lot
more to do.
We would like to producecontent that covers Genesis to
Revelation.
In the immediate, I think theidea that has risen to the top
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and has been honestly suggestedfor many years is doing a series
of videos on the Book of Actsand the beginning of the church
and Paul's missionary journeys.
And when you look at a map yourealize that's a massive
undertaking and will involvemultiple countries and likely
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multiple production trips.
But we've kind of got our eyeson the Book of Acts right now
and so we are in early, earlystages of development for that.
In the meantime, we have achildren's series coming out
where we have produced Out ofEgypt, which is our
feature-length documentary aboutthe Exodus.
But we've also been working ona series of children's videos,
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shorter videos for a youngeraudience, 13 of those that, lord
willing, will be coming outlater this year.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
And, from what I understand, a lot of your or
maybe most or a lot of yourvideos are for the younger
audience or teenage, young adultaudience.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yes, truthfully, that's where it started.
It was that Stuart and I hadboth.
He's the other co-founder ofAppian, stuart Peck.
He and I had both recognizedthis disengagement with the
biblical text, especially amongyoung people, like high school
age really, and that's reallywhere our conversations started
with.
What can we do to get them tofall in love with the text again
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?
What can we do?
What we found, though, with therelease of our very first
project, was this was not aproblem just among young people.
This was a problem among peopleof all ages, that the power of
the biblical text was being lostbecause people were not
engaging with it and falling inlove with it like they should,
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and so we don't really identifyourselves as creating primarily
children's content.
In fact, my children myyoungest is six years old, my
oldest is 10, and they watcheverything we produce and
they're engaged Like, yes, someof it's going to go over their
heads, no doubt, but they'llwatch it all the way through.
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In fact, my poor kids.
When we had screenings of Outof Egypt earlier this year, they
sat through it numerous times.
They're probably fine to take abreak from Out of Egypt
specifically for a little while,but then we have a specific
children's series we call itLessons from the Land where we
go back and create writtencontent about the same period of
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the Bible, but it's writtenvery specifically for a grade
school level, and then we findout that adults watch that
content and they love it too.
So it's for everyone.
It really is for everyone.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
For everyone.
It really is for everyone.
Going back to you, know youtraveling overseas and
everything.
What are some of the challengesthat you have faced over there?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Sure, there are numerous challenges with
producing content overseas.
A lot of that just has to dowith the logistics of it.
You can't just show up withcameras and start shooting
somewhere.
Most people are not going toappreciate that.
And so the challenges of justsecuring the proper permits and
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permissions, coordinating withlocals there to make sure that
we have access to the placesthat we want to film.
Usually we're only there for 10to 14 days.
It's not a long period of time,so we're trying to pack in as
much as we possibly can in thatperiod, and so just coordinating
it and using our time well.
Another challenge is it's alsorather costly.
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We take a team of six to eightof us and that is all financed
through donations.
Appian Media is anon-for-profit and we raise all
the funds for production priorto the trip, and so that pays
for not just the trip andeveryone coming and all of the
gear and the permits and thehotels and all of that, but it
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also pays for the work that hasto be done on the back end of
that the post-production andediting and writing.
And so the challenges ofraising funds and the challenges
of using those funds well.
There's also challenges ofmanaging the team and keeping
everyone safe and keepingeveryone healthy on those trips
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and looking out for everyone.
And then there's just thechallenge of, you know, honestly
, technology is changing sorapidly and keeping up with that
, trying to make sure that we'regetting our content in front of
people where they're lookingfor it, and in some ways that's
exciting, but also it'schallenging because it changes
so fast.
You know, which social mediasite do we sign up for now?
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And should we spend a lot oftime dumping content on fill in
the blank social media, knowingthat it might go belly up, you
know, or people just may stopusing it in six months time?
And just keeping up is is achallenge, but it's also an
exciting thing.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
As I get ready to end here, I always ask my guests
what encouragement would yougive to my listeners?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, I guess overall , from my personal experience
being able to do this over thelast eight or nine years, my
encouragement to people is findthe thing that you're passionate
about, find other people whoare equally passionate about it
and can help you on that journey.
Some of the greatest things thatwill be accomplished are rarely
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accomplished alone, and sofinding people that you can
align yourself with toaccomplish those things together
and set about doing things thatwill benefit others we will
typically be benefited ourselvesin the process of that, but
seeking first the benefit ofothers is one of the greatest
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encouragements that I would giveto people.
And if it's something thatyou're passionate about and
something that you're good at,that's going to help push you
through those times where thework gets hard or the work gets
boring because that happens toobecause you know why you're
doing it and you know who you'redoing it for.
And if it's something relatedto your faith, remember who
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you're doing it for and bemotivated by the fact that
you're trying to do it for theglory of God, and that should
help, like I said, through thosedifficult times.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
How can people connect with you and get your
content to either walk forthemselves or walk for Bible
study?
Church group, young adult group.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Sure, so all of our content is available to watch
for free on appianmediaorg.
So appianmediaorg you can alsojust search for that on YouTube.
We have a YouTube channel andall of our content is up there
as well, not just the majorseries and podcasts, but there's
also quite a bit of behind thescenes which I'm always very
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interested in and interested insharing with people.
And then, just reaching out tome or members of the team,
there's a contact form on thewebsite and you fill that out
and it'll come to myself and toStuart and others and we'd be
happy to converse with you.
And then, as far as mepersonally, you can look up
Craig D Hutt on Google and findme, and I'd be happy to connect
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with you.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Great Well, craig, thank you so much for coming on
the show today and sharing yourstory and sharing your um your
experience about yourdocumentaries.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I'm glad to do it, thanks.
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Well, guys and girls, thank you so much for coming on
the show and listening today.
I hope you appreciate it.
Please go and like uh theinformation that Greg said today
and hopefully you'll beencouraged by, and be encouraged
by, this episode and until nexttime.
God bless, Bye, bye.
Hello everyone, thanks again for joining me on
another episode of the DorsiRush show.
Today we have a special guestwith us.
His name is Craig D Hutt.
He and his business partner,Stuart, created Appian Media in
2015 when they saw a lack ofbiblical materials in video form
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for young people.
Over the years, they havetraveled the world filming Bible
study materials that can bedigested via digital media.
Craig, thank you so much forcoming on the show today.
Thanks for having me,Absolutely so.
As I said, I'd like to open upwith a couple of icebreaker
(00:52):
questions, and the firstquestion I have is what was the
last thing you looked for,either on Spotify or on Apple
Music?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
either on Spotify or on Apple Music.
On Apple Music, oh, it'sinteresting.
I used to work in radio and Iused to listen to music a lot,
and I actually have found myselfnot listening to it a lot
recently.
Besides podcasts, does thatcount?
You can listen to podcasts onSpotify.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, we'll do podcasts, all right.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
So I was recently listening to a podcast called
the Missing 49 Million, and it'sa story of basically a scam
that a guy was running probablyabout a decade or so ago,
claiming to have the ultimateartificial intelligence that he
found in secrets from the Bible,and scammed people out of $49
(01:46):
million that was never accountedfor.
So things like that, likeinteresting stories, unsolved a
lot of times unsolved mysteriesare things that I enjoy
listening to while I'm out for arun or while I'm driving.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, I like to listen to on on Apple TV.
I'll watch, you know, storiesor documentaries on people who
have gone missing and and neverfound, that type of that type of
thing.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
If you had unlimited resources, would it be money
technology?
What would you do with it?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Oh man, if I had unlimited resources, I would
certainly share that with others.
I would try to find a way toexpand what we're doing with
Appian Media, trying to get thegospel in front of as many
people as possible.
To me, I think that's the mostworthwhile endeavor.
Obviously, if we can providefor the physical needs of people
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along the way, I think that'sthe most worthwhile endeavor.
Obviously, if we can providefor the physical needs of people
along the way, I think thatwould be beneficial.
But people need Jesus, and soI'd try to find a way to get it
to as many people as possible.
Amen, tell us a little bit moreabout yourself, your background,
how you got into what you'redoing Sure, so I live in the
Indianapolis area with my wife,Karen, and our three kiddos, and
(03:08):
I graduated film school back in2007.
And since that time have workedin a variety of media
professions worked in news, I'vedone documentary.
I even for a year or sodeveloped mobile games.
I was an animator andillustrator for some mobile
games, which was a fun diversion.
(03:29):
But since high school really, Ihave been fascinated with
telling stories through mediathrough film and TV, and
recorded media and found aftercoming out of film school that
telling stories of real people,capturing events and things that
(03:50):
are actually happening withreal people, is something that
I've just really been attractedto, and so I work as a freelance
video producer now for the lasteight or nine years, in
addition to the work that I dofor Appian Media.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Why are you passionate about what you do?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Well, twofold One, passionate about telling stories
through media.
I've just been fascinated withtechnology and storytelling.
As a kid I used to just writestories and rewrite stories and
then found that I could do thatin video and in pictures and
it's a fun's a.
It's a fun creative outlet, andI'm passionate because the
technology is always changing,the tools are always changing,
(04:32):
so it's never the same.
I kind of hate, you know,routine or redundancy.
I, like you, know trying newthings.
As far as what I'm doing withAppian Media, my my truest,
greatest passion is the Bibleand relationship with God and
with Jesus, and so to be able tocombine those two things
(04:52):
together to create documentariesand media to help people better
understand the Bible and cometo know God, it's just something
I'm thrilled aboutparticipating in.
It's just something I'mthrilled about participating in.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I read your background and your website and
everything, and you travel a lotoverseas to the Middle East and
to the Holy Land and parts ofthat world to do your
documentaries and to do yourshows and what not.
Have you found anything to doyour documentaries and to do
your, your shows and whatnot?
(05:28):
Have you found anything?
Or have anybody told youstories?
Let me, let me, let me wordthis in a, in a, in a, you know,
not in an appropriate way, butin a way that makes sense, I
guess.
Has anybody told you storiesthat you really don't read about
(05:53):
in the Bible, if that makessense, about the biblical times?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Okay, I think I understand your question.
Traveling over to those placesis something that I just started
doing when Appian was formed.
So, believe it or not, beforeour first production trip to
Israel, I had never beenoverseas, so that was back in
2016.
Since that time, we've beenable to visit Israel, I guess,
(06:17):
three different times.
We've been blessed to go toTurkey and to Egypt and to
Jordan, and we encounter peopleof all beliefs and faiths.
Obviously, there are plenty ofpeople who live over there that
believe the biblical text, butyou also have plenty of people
that maybe believe parts of itor none of it, and so, yeah,
(06:37):
it's not uncommon for us toencounter people who are
interested in what we're doing.
They're interested.
I love the openness of peoplethat they're interested to talk
to us about what it is thatwe're doing.
You're carrying cameras around,you kind of attract attention,
and we're more than willing totalk to people.
I distinctly remember aconversation one of our team
members had.
We were at the top of Jabal Musa, which is the traditional
(07:01):
location of Mount Sinai in theSinai Peninsula, and whether
that's the true Mount Sinai isprobably up for debate for many
of your listeners, but that'sthe one that we chose to climb
up and there was a gentleman upthere who had once believed in
Christianity but also had someIslamic beliefs and was trying
(07:21):
to reconcile those two becausethey're not in perfect alignment
, and our team member, justin,had a great conversation with
him, just kind of talking itthrough and maybe challenging
some ideas and hearing from him,and we welcome that.
We obviously believe that theBible presents biblical truth,
presents truth for all of us,and it's always been encouraging
(07:45):
um.
The archeology and the historythat we find over there is as we
talk to people.
Um has never once proven tocontradict the Bible.
There's quite a bit in theBible we read about we just
haven't found the evidence for.
But one archeologist sharedwith us that, uh, only 5% of the
land of the Bible has actuallybeen excavated.
(08:05):
You've got about 95% that theyjust haven't dug up yet.
So it shouldn't surprise usthen that there are chunks of
the Bible we haven't foundevidence yet for.
But what we have found doescorrespond with what we read.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
It's interesting you mentioned about that 5%.
I had someone recently on myshow in one of my previous
episodes and the same thing thatyou just said that if only 5%
of what the Bible is is what wehave found in that land in that
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area.
(09:17):
Yeah there's so much more thatthey can dig, and he explained
it to us.
It's a matter of time, it's amatter of man, hours, and it's
funding.
Mostly it's funding.
It takes a lot of money.
An archaeologist and very, youknow, peaceful to you, what
about, you know, when I meanobviously right now, we see a
lot of, you know, war going onin that area.
Sure, have you ever felt, youknow, concerned going over there
(09:41):
with that happening?
Or were you ever in that?
Were you ever there when a warwas going on and you were like,
hey, maybe we can have beaten it.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, truthfully, to answer that last question, no,
the last time that I personallywas in Israel was about 2018.
We've done various other tripsin other parts of the Bible
lands Turkey and Egypt andJordan, like I said.
Since then, however, one of ourteam members his name is Barry
Britnell, and he leads toursover to Israel, typically two or
(10:15):
three of them a year.
There have been periods of time, especially last October, where
he had to postpone a trip lastOctober where he had to postpone
a trip, you know and it wasn'tso much that the whole country
was at war, because that's amistaken idea that people get
when they read the news thewhole country is not currently
at war.
You've got some things down andI'm not trying to minimize any
(10:37):
of it, but it's down near thesouthern border there near Gaza,
and then there's some conflicthappening in the northern part
of Israel, but when you talkabout central Israel, jerusalem
and other things, life is kindof going on like normal for them
.
So Barry was recently overthere, three or four weeks ago,
and took a tour, but usuallythose things get delayed or
(11:00):
postponed, oftentimes becausethe airlines simply choose to
hold flights.
But there is also we don't wantto be unaware and we don't want
to minimize it.
There is always the idea thatyou need to be careful and
considerate of your surroundings.
(11:20):
While we have not necessarilybeen in Israel during this
particular conflict I personallyhave not there have been
instances where we have beenthere.
For example, when we were therein 2018, the embassy was
currently being moved from TelAviv to Jerusalem.
That's when, then, presidentTrump had made that decision and
that caused a stir.
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It also booked up most of thehotels that we were trying to
get.
There were just tons of peoplein.
I have never felt any moreunsafe in Israel than I do in
your average American large city.
(12:15):
For example, we flew to Turkeyand shot over there for a couple
of weeks, had a great time.
It was actually during 2020,the latter part of 2020, the
country had just opened up andwe were blessed to be able to
get a flight over there andthere were no crowds because
very few people were traveling.
And then we returned and had atwo-day layover in New York City
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, and I love New York.
It's very fascinating, butthere were parts of New York
where I felt more unsafe therethan anywhere I had been in
Turkey, and it's just.
You need to be mindful.
People are people and there are, unfortunately, evil people in
every country, people who wouldseek to do harm in every country
(12:59):
, and you just need to bethoughtful.
What we have found overall inour trips is, regardless of
their nationality, regardless oftheir religion, regardless of
their upbringing, most peoplehave been incredibly gracious to
us and thoughtful and kind tous, and we have rarely had
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people show any kind ofhostility towards us when we are
over there doing what we'redoing, even if they don't agree
with what it is that we'recommunicating.
People have opened their homesand shared meals with us and
been very thoughtful.
Yeah, it's funny you mentionNew York City, because I'm
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actually originally from NewYork City until 2020.
That's where I lived most of mylife.
Cool, I'd like to see more ofit, but we were traveling to and
from Times Square a littleafter midnight which I've been
told is not wise and we just youknow, I was glad to be
traveling in a group- Right, no,I would not say it's probably
(14:19):
not an inaccurate statement atall.
Tell us about some of yourdocumentaries that you have done
, sure.
So the first one that we didand it actually took two years,
two production trips to Israelto complete was a series that we
call Following the Messiah, andit was an episodic docu-series
where we trace the footsteps ofJesus, so from the city of
Bethlehem, where he was born, tothe city of Jerusalem, where he
was killed and resurrected, toas many places in between as we
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could.
So we traveled to Galilee andvisited the Jordan and took a
boat out on the Sea of Galilee.
We tried to interact withlocals, we visited Nazareth, we
ate some of the food, and whatwe were really trying to
accomplish with that was just tohelp people understand the
story of Jesus and the story ofthe Bible is not some legend,
(15:05):
some myth.
Once upon a time, in a land faraway, these places are real,
the history is real, the cultureis there and you can go and see
many of these places exactly asthey're described in the Bible.
We followed that up with aseries, again shot in Israel,
called Searching for a King, andthat was tracing the first
kings of Israel, so King Sauland King David and King Solomon,
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and especially that one wasdealing quite a bit with the
archaeology surrounding thosestories and the Bible in general
.
Can the biblical texts betrusted?
Is it a reliable historicalsource?
Was was one of the thesis umquestions that that we were
pursuing with that, and then weproduced a series, uh, that that
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brought us to Turkey and thatwas to do a series on the seven
churches of revelation.
So in revelation, chapter onethrough three, there's there's
letters written to sevenchurches of Asia minor at the
time, which is now modern dayTurkey, and so we got to visit
places like Ephesus and got tosee just some incredible things
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and as well as interview andtalk with Christians all over
the world modern day, to see howthose letters impact and relate
to us even thousands of yearslater.
And then, just this year, wereleased a series on the Exodus,
we call it, out of Egypt, andthat's what took us to Egypt and
(16:31):
Jordan back in 2022, where wetraced one of the potential
paths that the Israelites couldhave taken when they were
released from bondage in Egyptthrough what becomes the
wilderness of Jordan into theland of Israel.
(16:53):
We kind of ended our triplooking past the Dead Sea into
the land of Israel and so thatseries was released, and in
between those times typicallybetween 12 and 18 months between
each major production, we'reproducing numerous podcasts and
workbooks and other smallerseries, children's series and
(17:16):
devotional study series, allgiving those away for free
online.
People can consume the contentviewed on our website and on our
YouTube channel, because we'retrying to make it available to
as many people as we can.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
I know some Christian movies, you know, or even
Christian TV shows that are outnow.
Sometimes they take artisticlicense.
Now, sometimes they takeartistic license and I'm not
saying they take it out ofcontext of what the Bible is
saying, but they take artisticlicense to what the Bible is
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talking about.
Have you ever done that or whatdo you think about these TV
shows or movies doing that?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Sure, it is a fine line to walk.
Certainly, it's one of thethings that we don't have to
consider as often.
Simply because we're pursuingdocumentary, so we're not
casting actors, we're notwriting scripts, scripts so, for
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example, we don't have anyoneacting as Jesus and giving him
lines and having to wonder isthis something Jesus actually
said, or does this sound likesomething Jesus would actually
say?
Simply because we're pursuingdocumentary, is there a place
for that?
Can that be done well?
I think so.
Has it been done well?
Yes, in many cases has it beendone poorly, where they take so
many artistic licenses that youhave a hard time believing the
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Book of Noah or the Book of Noah, the movie of Noah, russell
Crowe, that is so far removedfrom the biblical text.
It does make it feel like afantasy myth once upon a time.
But there are other people who Ithink are trying very hard to,
even when they give lines tocharacters, filling in some of
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those gaps that we don't havenecessarily in the Gospels.
I appreciate their duediligence.
Would I agree with everycreative decision that they've
made If you and I are boththinking of the same show?
No, frankly, I wouldn't.
You just need to be careful.
You need to be careful, and so,thankfully for us, we're
interviewing real people.
(19:27):
We're interviewing people whoare living there or experts in
their particular field, and wehave not really delved into the
area of recreating biblicalstories, and so we're always
mindful.
We want the Bible to be thesource in which we're going to,
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and, especially when it comes towords of God and words that
Jesus said, we don't think theyneed any enhancement or
elaboration.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Absolutely.
How does Christian mediacounter the culture of Hollywood
?
Speaker 2 (20:06):
That's a great question and that's something
that's very near and dear to myheart.
When I was in film school andthis was back wow, it's been
almost two decades ago it was nosecret that, at least from the
Hollywood professionals that Iwas learning from, because they
were working in the industryduring the day and then teaching
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classes to many of us theydespised Christians.
They despised anything thatwould prevent them from changing
the culture in the directionthat they were hoping to.
In fact, they referred to us asfilmmakers.
They called us culture changers.
They understood that we couldchange the minds of the masses
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if we packaged our message in away that was easily consumable,
and so for many years Christianscould only really kind of curse
the darkness.
They couldn't really doanything to change that, because
Hollywood had all the money,they had all the talent, they
had all the tools and we couldjust kind of complain about what
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was coming out of Hollywood.
But there wasn't much we coulddo Until the last 20 or 30 years
, where the cost of entry now issignificantly less.
The technology is now much moreavailable and we no longer have
to ask Hollywood for permission.
We can pursue the creativeprojects and counter the culture
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that we desire, that we believe, are in line with God's truth,
and we don't have to go to themfor the tools or the talent.
There are many talentedcreatives out there who have
chosen not to work in Hollywood,and there's just some
incredibly encouraging pocketsof creativity.
That's happening not just herein the US but all over the world
(21:50):
, and I think we have seen overthe last 15, 20 years it's taken
a little bit of time, frankly,but the quality, the production
value of Christian media andcontent is increasing at a very
encouraging rate, and I've beenthrilled to see not just movies
(22:13):
and their box office returns but, as you mentioned, television
shows that are being rewardedfor their production value and
for their impact on the culturein a good way.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, you mentioned about the quality of the media,
especially the Christian media,and that was going to be one of
my questions is.
My questions is you know,although we don't see it as much
we used to see, you know, somecheesy Christian you know, or
faith based movies?
(22:49):
What can faith based media doto make these, to make better
quality videos?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
that's a great question.
I wish I could say I don't seethem anymore.
They are still being made.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Let's be real.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
And.
But what I would say and this isreally what I would say to for
many years I taught students,high school and college age
students about how to createcontent and use media.
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So just because you put out amovie and it is cheesy and it's
hard to watch, hopefully thenext one will be better.
Try to improve upon the lastone, don't just be okay with
your status quo.
What I would also say is findthose who are better in that
field or in that area and seekto hire them.
Offer them competitive wagesand I am thankful to see that
(23:51):
quality Christian content ismaking money.
When they market it well andthey write it well and they
produce it well, they do get areturn, which then lets them
invest in more talent and investin the people who are doing
their craft well, and so seek toimprove with every project and
learn by doing.
Don't be satisfied just because, yes, I can make a movie for a
(24:17):
million dollars and all of mychurch friends watch it and I
earn a million dollars in return, like that's not a successful
endeavor.
Seek to do better and hire thepeople, and hire the people who
are skilled at those crafts, andthat will improve exponentially
.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
What is your next project or what is your next
idea coming out of Appian Media?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Well, that's a great question.
We have all kinds of ideas.
We have all kinds of thingsthat we would like to do.
The big answer is there's a lotmore of the Bible to cover.
Frankly, we have not coveredmuch of it and there's a lot
more to do.
We would like to producecontent that covers Genesis to
Revelation.
In the immediate, I think theidea that has risen to the top
(25:06):
and has been honestly suggestedfor many years is doing a series
of videos on the Book of Actsand the beginning of the church
and Paul's missionary journeys.
And when you look at a map yourealize that's a massive
undertaking and will involvemultiple countries and likely
(25:27):
multiple production trips.
But we've kind of got our eyeson the Book of Acts right now
and so we are in early, earlystages of development for that.
In the meantime, we have achildren's series coming out
where we have produced Out ofEgypt, which is our
feature-length documentary aboutthe Exodus.
But we've also been working ona series of children's videos,
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shorter videos for a youngeraudience, 13 of those that, lord
willing, will be coming outlater this year.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
And, from what I understand, a lot of your or
maybe most or a lot of yourvideos are for the younger
audience or teenage, young adultaudience.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yes, truthfully, that's where it started.
It was that Stuart and I hadboth.
He's the other co-founder ofAppian, stuart Peck.
He and I had both recognizedthis disengagement with the
biblical text, especially amongyoung people, like high school
age really, and that's reallywhere our conversations started
with.
What can we do to get them tofall in love with the text again
(26:33):
?
What can we do?
What we found, though, with therelease of our very first
project, was this was not aproblem just among young people.
This was a problem among peopleof all ages, that the power of
the biblical text was being lostbecause people were not
engaging with it and falling inlove with it like they should,
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and so we don't really identifyourselves as creating primarily
children's content.
In fact, my children myyoungest is six years old, my
oldest is 10, and they watcheverything we produce and
they're engaged Like, yes, someof it's going to go over their
heads, no doubt, but they'llwatch it all the way through.
(27:14):
In fact, my poor kids.
When we had screenings of Outof Egypt earlier this year, they
sat through it numerous times.
They're probably fine to take abreak from Out of Egypt
specifically for a little while,but then we have a specific
children's series we call itLessons from the Land where we
go back and create writtencontent about the same period of
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the Bible, but it's writtenvery specifically for a grade
school level, and then we findout that adults watch that
content and they love it too.
So it's for everyone.
It really is for everyone.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
For everyone.
It really is for everyone.
Going back to you, know youtraveling overseas and
everything.
What are some of the challengesthat you have faced over there?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Sure, there are numerous challenges with
producing content overseas.
A lot of that just has to dowith the logistics of it.
You can't just show up withcameras and start shooting
somewhere.
Most people are not going toappreciate that.
And so the challenges of justsecuring the proper permits and
(28:20):
permissions, coordinating withlocals there to make sure that
we have access to the placesthat we want to film.
Usually we're only there for 10to 14 days.
It's not a long period of time,so we're trying to pack in as
much as we possibly can in thatperiod, and so just coordinating
it and using our time well.
Another challenge is it's alsorather costly.
(28:44):
We take a team of six to eightof us and that is all financed
through donations.
Appian Media is anon-for-profit and we raise all
the funds for production priorto the trip, and so that pays
for not just the trip andeveryone coming and all of the
gear and the permits and thehotels and all of that, but it
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also pays for the work that hasto be done on the back end of
that the post-production andediting and writing.
And so the challenges ofraising funds and the challenges
of using those funds well.
There's also challenges ofmanaging the team and keeping
everyone safe and keepingeveryone healthy on those trips
(29:32):
and looking out for everyone.
And then there's just thechallenge of, you know, honestly
, technology is changing sorapidly and keeping up with that
, trying to make sure that we'regetting our content in front of
people where they're lookingfor it, and in some ways that's
exciting, but also it'schallenging because it changes
so fast.
You know, which social mediasite do we sign up for now?
(29:56):
And should we spend a lot oftime dumping content on fill in
the blank social media, knowingthat it might go belly up, you
know, or people just may stopusing it in six months time?
And just keeping up is is achallenge, but it's also an
exciting thing.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
As I get ready to end here, I always ask my guests
what encouragement would yougive to my listeners?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, I guess overall , from my personal experience
being able to do this over thelast eight or nine years, my
encouragement to people is findthe thing that you're passionate
about, find other people whoare equally passionate about it
and can help you on that journey.
Some of the greatest things thatwill be accomplished are rarely
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accomplished alone, and sofinding people that you can
align yourself with toaccomplish those things together
and set about doing things thatwill benefit others we will
typically be benefited ourselvesin the process of that, but
seeking first the benefit ofothers is one of the greatest
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encouragements that I would giveto people.
And if it's something thatyou're passionate about and
something that you're good at,that's going to help push you
through those times where thework gets hard or the work gets
boring because that happens toobecause you know why you're
doing it and you know who you'redoing it for.
And if it's something relatedto your faith, remember who
(31:37):
you're doing it for and bemotivated by the fact that
you're trying to do it for theglory of God, and that should
help, like I said, through thosedifficult times.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
How can people connect with you and get your
content to either walk forthemselves or walk for Bible
study?
Church group, young adult group.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Sure, so all of our content is available to watch
for free on appianmediaorg.
So appianmediaorg you can alsojust search for that on YouTube.
We have a YouTube channel andall of our content is up there
as well, not just the majorseries and podcasts, but there's
also quite a bit of behind thescenes which I'm always very
(32:19):
interested in and interested insharing with people.
And then, just reaching out tome or members of the team,
there's a contact form on thewebsite and you fill that out
and it'll come to myself and toStuart and others and we'd be
happy to converse with you.
And then, as far as mepersonally, you can look up
Craig D Hutt on Google and findme, and I'd be happy to connect
(32:40):
with you.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Great Well, craig, thank you so much for coming on
the show today and sharing yourstory and sharing your um your
experience about yourdocumentaries.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I'm glad to do it, thanks.
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Well, guys and girls, thank you so much for coming on
the show and listening today.
I hope you appreciate it.
Please go and like uh theinformation that Greg said today
and hopefully you'll beencouraged by, and be encouraged
by, this episode and until nexttime.
God bless, Bye, bye.
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