September 10, 2025 • 31 mins
Nathaniel Arnold's powerful testimony takes us on a journey through America's troubled racial history through the eyes of a young boy growing up in segregated Mobile, Alabama. Born into the tumultuous civil rights era of the late 1950s and early 1960s, Arnold's formative years were shaped by witnessing Governor Wallace's infamous "segregation forever" stance, the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing, and the daily indignities of systematic racism.
The profound dissonance between the loving God portrayed in the Bible and the harsh realities of racial hatred led seven-year-old Arnold to ask a question that would take a lifetime to answer: "Why did you make me a Negro?" His search for understanding propelled him toward deep study of both American history and biblical prophecy, ultimately leading to a surprising perspective that frames racial conflict within a cosmic battle between good and evil.
Arnold challenges listeners to reconsider widely accepted myths about America's founding, revealing that many founding fathers were deists rather than Christians, and that the promise of democracy was initially denied to Black Americans, Native Americans, and women. Most provocatively, he interprets America as the "land beast" described in Revelation 13, suggesting that both America's founding and its eventual fate are prophesied in scripture.
Rather than offering false hope for societal-level racial reconciliation, Arnold advocates for individual transformation through deeper spiritual connection. "There are only two sides in this conflict," he explains, "Christ and Satan." This perspective reframes racial justice as part of a larger spiritual awakening. His books "My Story, His Glory" and "Decoding Daniel Revelation and America's Destiny" present his research and biblical interpretations in accessible ways for those seeking truth in confusing times.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello everyone, thank you again for joining me on
another episode of the DorsureShow.
Today on the show we have aspecial guest with us.
His name is Nathaniel Arnold.
He is a visionary leader,mentor and author whose life
story is a testament toresilience, wisdom and
(00:39):
transformation.
He was raised in a raciallysegregated South.
He overcame systemic barriersand personal hardships to emerge
as a powerful voice for changeand empowerment.
As a powerful voice for changeand empowerment With Ted
(01:06):
Geiger's experience inleadership and community
mentorship.
Nathaniel's insights into thepast and present offer a
compelling perspective onAmerica's evolving social and
(01:27):
political landscape.
Thank you for having me.
Thank you for having me onJustice, leadership and Progress
.
Nathaniel, thank you so muchfor coming on the show today.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Thank you for having me.
Thank you for having meAbsolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I'd like to open up our discussion today with an
icebreaker question.
Today's icebreaker question iswhere did you grow up and did
that?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
affect who you became ?
That's a good question.
I grew up in my early years.
My very early years were inMobile, alabama, and in the late
50s and 60s that era was oneespecially in Alabama was one.
If you were an African-Americangrowing up in that era, civil
(02:29):
rights was really prominent andI grew up in a time when we were
really the civil rightsmovement was basically in its
heyday.
I would say Alabama had gonethrough the boycott years before
, and then, of course,segregation in the South.
We had things like the 16thstreet bombing where four black
(02:49):
girls were killed, all of thosethings.
We had Governor Wallace andBull Connor.
We had, of course, monserLuther King and John F Kennedy.
And so for me, growing up andnot really understanding what
the complexities of our societywere and seeing what I felt was
(03:14):
really injustice, especiallytoward Black people, especially
toward Black people, I wasconflicted and that helped me to
it actually formulated a lot ofmy life's calling to try to
understand and resolve thedissonance that I felt and that
(03:37):
I saw in the larger society.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Can you tell us a little bit more about your life
growing up and about how youbecame a Christian and believer
in God and what all that lookedlike to you?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Okay, well, I guess I can go back to my story His
Glory, my first and second book.
The second book is just outrecently, but my first book I
chronicle my life's upbringing.
I was brought up in the churchin the Southern Baptist
tradition.
My mom was a very religiousperson as far as the Baptist
(04:15):
tradition.
Her father, my grandfatherHammy, was a Baptist minister,
and so we grew up, I grew upreally looking at life, I can
say, through the lens of theBible.
Whenever I would see, meet newpeople, I would kind of compare
them with people that I knew inthe Bible, but kind of compare
(04:36):
them with people that I knew inthe Bible.
I remember learning at a veryearly age Psalm 23.
I could recite it, I memorizedit.
I don't remember a time in mylife when I was not able to read
, and so things that influencedme were television, and back in
those days they had a lot ofbiblical stories, stories about
(05:03):
David and Samson and David andBathsheba, samson and Delilah,
and so those personages werereal to me and so I grew up
understanding that God was realand that he was a certain way
and I expected that of the worldand so going up in that
environment to understand, tosee the conflict, I would say,
(05:30):
between what I believe the Biblesaid, what the Bible taught and
how I believe God was, and howI saw the world and the world
reacting to God's children.
That caused just a lot ofdissonance, as I mentioned
before, and so that's how Ipretty much was trying to
(05:53):
understand that.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
What was that like when you saw that growing up and
you saw the segregation andeverything?
But you're reading the Bibleand you're seeing.
You know, hey, god's supposedto love everybody, god's
supposed to accept everybody,especially the Caucasian people
(06:17):
and the white people, notaccepting the African-American
people.
How did you resonate that?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
with what you were reading in the Bible.
Well, it was impossible really,because the two like East and
West, and so because that was aproblem, I remember and I put
this in my first book, which iscalled my Story, his Glory, a
(06:53):
lens on racism and religion inAmerica and God's final judgment
.
This is the book I talked aboutone particular August day in
1963.
I was not quite seven years old.
I remember being in front ofthe television I love television
, especially things like thenews and stuff like that and I
remember this one particular dayin August it was a summer and
(07:17):
watching television and they hada newsflash and that newsflash
had Governor Wallace standing infront of the Alabama State
College at that time AlabamaState and he was surrounded by
people and newsmen and NationalGuard and there were two black
(07:38):
students who wanted tomatriculate.
One's name was James Hood andVivian Malone, and he stood in
the door and said that theywould not enter here and he had
said he had been inaugurated, Ithink earlier that year, in
January, and he said segregationnow, segregation tomorrow,
(08:02):
segregation forever.
And I remember wondering aboutthat and after they flashed away
from him, they brought in acommercial.
The commercial showed thiswhite woman with long blonde
hair, just you know, swirling itlike a Prell commercial or VO
(08:23):
five commercial, I'm not surewhich one.
And so to me I caught both ofthose scenes.
One was of hatred toward blackpeople and the other was one of
white, the position of Americanwhite beauty.
And I thought to myself as achild, the juxtaposition of
(08:46):
those two things just againconflicted me.
And I remember asking God,doris.
I remember asking God why didyou make me a Negro?
Because I I didn't understandthis hatred, I didn't understand
this vitriol that people, thatour society, this society, the
(09:11):
American society had for blackpeople.
And I knew that if God were aloving God, which is what the
Bible said, that this was notright, it was not right.
And so I asked God to show me,and it took literally most of my
(09:35):
life for God to answer thatquestion for me.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
And how did God answer that question for you?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And he's in many, many ways still answering the
question.
God has shown me that and againI talk about it in my story His
Glory, that he indeed is love,he indeed is love, and that we
are in a conflict, dorsey.
(10:05):
And that we are in a conflict,dorsey, that conflict is not of
God's design, of his making, ofhis desire.
We fight an enemy who wants tosee us pretty much dead, and the
enemy is, of course, satan, thedevil, the dragon, and the
conflict was started by him andis because of him, and he is the
(10:29):
one that has planted all ofthese seeds of hatred.
I think it's in Matthew 14,where Christ is telling the
parable of the wheat and thetares, and he says an enemy has
done this, and that enemy isagain Satan.
(10:50):
So we see the conflict in theworld as a result of this great
conflict, of this greatcontroversy between Christ and
the being that he created, whichwe now call Satan.
So I understand that thiswarfare and these things that we
are seeing transpiring in ourlives are because of the enemy
(11:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Have you seen the racial barriers or the racial
segregation?
I mean, obviously we don't havesegregation now, but have you
seen the treatment ofAfrican-American people get
better over time, or has itchanged little by little?
(11:38):
How do you see that from thentill now?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I think things have pretty much remained the same in
this country and, for thatmatter, around the world.
We see an uptick in racialinjustice now, especially under
the new administration.
A lot of the things that arecoming out seem to be directed
(12:03):
almost directly at AfricanAmericans, and that is worrisome
, that's bothersome, and I thinkthat the Bible speaks to these
kinds of things, and there's a 2Timothy 3, verses 1 through 5,
talks about troublous times inthe end times.
(12:23):
I think we are beginning to seesome of those things manifest
now, and this is also a sign ofwhere we are in Earth's history.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Can you go back to your time in your youth and
share some key lessons that youlearned when you were in the
South and during that time.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I learned some things that I learned.
Well, we stayed in the Southuntil about I was nine years old
.
I learned to distrust, I guess,american society, if I'm candid
, because of the hypocrisy thatI saw.
I learned to distrustChristians because of the
(13:16):
hypocrisy that I witnessed.
I learned to, I guess, distrustAmerican government as well
because of the hypocrisy that Isaw.
And as I grew older it became,and I was able to research
(13:37):
things for myself, to learnthings that were not in the
history books, learned thingsthat were not in the history
books.
I began to realize that themyths that I had been told about
America and my place as a blackperson in America were not true
(13:58):
.
A lot of it was just plain lies.
And so I learned also todisrupt America.
But also, I would have to sayrealistically, that I felt
uncomfortable in my skin as anAfrican American, because the
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larger society teaches us thatwe are less than, and that had
to have an effect upon my psycheand my thinking and my
interaction with society atlarge.
So all of those things played animportant role.
It limited my flight, so tospeak.
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It limited my things that Idesired to be or to do, and this
society does that in a verysystemic and purposeful way, and
so I learned those things.
I learned also that you have tobe careful if you speak out
against this culture.
I look at Martin Luther King Jr.
(15:02):
What happened with him?
I looked at Malcolm X.
I look at Robert F Kennedy, andthese were people that I
admired and looked up to,growing up, and, you know, a
bullet ended the lives of eachone of those men John F Kennedy
as well.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I've done some research on you and I know that
you like some of the Biblecharacters or Bible people in
the Bible, one of them beingDavid and the other one being
Samson and how do they, you know, reflect on you and how do they
, you know, and some of it youknow connect with what you have
(15:46):
done in your own life?
How does that play a role inyour life?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Oh well, growing up, I remember, as I mentioned, I
looked at the world through thelens of the Bible, and so I
remember movies like Samson, anda lot of Samson was played by
Victor Mature, I think, at thattime, and David was played by
Gregory I think it was GregoryPeck and so I remember them
(16:16):
bringing those people to lifefor me, and I liked them because
they were strong, they wereexceptional.
Them because they were strong,they were exceptional.
David was brave, defeated alion with his bare hands, as did
Samson, and they were favoredby God, and I felt that if you
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were on God's side, you couldnot lose.
And so for me, it was alwaysimportant to be on God's side,
and that's not always been thecase in my life, but I've always
felt close to God, doris, thatyou know.
Even from the time I was achild, I grew up believing what
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the Bible said, and so Psalm 23for me was real.
It was God, was my shepherd,and even though I may go through
the valley of the shadow ofdeath, god will see me through.
And so that was very importantto me, you know, growing up in
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this culture, to have that faiththat was anchored in the
Almighty.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
What type of advocacy have you done in your life and
what has that looked like?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I have worked as a, I became involved in the
Pan-African movement and I havedone writing.
My writing is my greatest formof advocacy, so to speak, to
reveal to people some of thethings that I have learned about
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white supremacy in this country, to dissolve the myths that so
many of us struggle with andthat really hold us back, and so
that's been a large part ofwhat I do.
It's something that I'mcomfortable with.
I've attended, of course,marches and those kind of things
(18:17):
, and I've read a ton, done aton of research Dorsey, on just
things that dealt with Africanpeople in this country.
I've done a lot of research onthe founding politicians George
Washington and Thomas Jeffersonand Benjamin Franklin, I mean,
(18:40):
and the things I've learned havejust been amazing.
Of course, abraham Lincoln aswell, and try to get to the
roots of the cause of things inthis country.
And the things I've learnedhave just been amazing.
Of course, abraham Lincoln aswell, and try to get to the
roots of the cause of things inthis country.
I have a lot of research from abiblical perspective as well.
I like to call it both prophecyand prophecy.
(19:06):
Bible prophecy and earthlyhistory connect.
They're different sides of thesame coin and so if you
understand prophecy, you canbetter understand history, and
if you understand history, youcan better understand prophecy.
And so God wants us to know.
In fact, the Bible I think it'sAmos 3, 7, he says he will
reveal things to his prophets.
(19:26):
He will do nothing withoutfirst revealing it to his
prophets.
And so God wants us to knowwhat's going on in our
environment, in our society, inour world, so that we can make
informed decisions as to who toserve, because every choice we
make is a choice for right orwrong.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Right, and you mentioned about the myth that
we've heard in our lifetime, andwhat are some of those myths
that you think that we'velearned, that we think about?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Oh, oh, there's a ton of them.
If you look at American society, for example, we are trained to
believe that the foundingpoliticians were Christians,
that George Washington andBenjamin Franklin and Thomas
Jefferson and the whole host ofsignatories on the Declaration
of Independence were Christians.
(20:22):
They were not.
Most of them were what we nowcall deists, but they were men
of enlightenment and they werenot.
Many of them did not believe inthe Bible at all.
In fact, if you know anythingabout Thomas Jefferson, he wrote
(20:46):
his own Bible, and that Biblewas called the Jefferson Bible,
and it excluded most of whatJesus talked about in all of his
miracles.
George Washington was a Mason.
In fact, he was sworn in usinga Mason Bible in his first
(21:07):
inauguration.
Benjamin Franklin also was adeist and really did not espouse
any religion per se, and hefelt that religion, especially
Christianity, had its place as amoral compass, but it was just
not something that he espoused.
(21:29):
And so we have been taught inthe history books that this
country was founded onJudeo-Christian principles.
The reality is and that is farfrom the truth.
America is is truly anexperiment in democracy, but
(21:51):
it's also truly an experiment intyranny At the same time,
because on the one hand, you hadthe founding fathers of a
select group of white men whoorchestrated and maintained and
kept power for themselves.
You remember that blackAmericans couldn't vote, nor
(22:13):
could Native Americans, and norcould women, and it took a
century, basically, for women'ssuffrage to be granted.
So, on the one hand, we aredeluded into thinking that, no,
this is the land of the free andthe home of the brave, when in
essence that has not been thecase for most of our historical
(22:35):
time period.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Right.
How do you view America'sevolving role in shaping justice
, leadership and the socialthings?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
think.
Well, my belief is again, Ihave to look at history and
prophecy In the Bible.
If you look at Revelation,chapter 13, which is very
seminal, that's the last book ofthe Bible and it's Jesus'
revelation to John.
The Apostle John is taken intovision throughout this entire
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book of Revelation and Godreveals to him certain future
events that are going to happen,and one of those events is the
founding and the ending ofAmerica.
Notice what I said both thefounding of America is in the
Bible and the ending of thecountry, and so if you read
(23:40):
Revelation 13 and 14, it saysthat there is 13 talks about the
dragon that gives his power toa multi-headed dragon,
seven-headed dragon that giveshis power to the beast to a sea
beast, let me be precise.
And then the sea beast alsogives its power to the land
(24:04):
beast, based on historicalthings, which I prove in my
second book, my story of HisGlory, book 2, the second beast
in Revelation, or the land beast, the earth beast, is America,
and so I talk about that ingreat detail in my second book.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
My second book.
How do you think we could dobetter with becoming closer
together when we deal with racerelations and becoming better
interacting with one another asa culture and as a society?
I don't think we can as aculture and as a society.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I don't think we can as a culture and society.
I think it's too systemic andit's been with us far, far too
long.
I think we have to look at thaton an individual level, and if
I were to just take myselfDorsey, it would be the only way
that can even happen.
And it's going to have tohappen on an individual level.
(25:11):
And that individual level canonly happen if we draw closer to
God, because understanding thisconflict, that basically there
are only two sides in thisconflict, there's good and
there's evil, there's Christ andthen there's Satan.
So the purveyor of love is God.
(25:32):
That's the only way we can love, and the further we are away
from God, the less we are tolove.
You see what I'm saying.
So there's no real way to do iton a macro level.
We have to do it on a microlevel, and I think that is what
so many we try to fix theproblem of sin through our own
(25:54):
efforts.
We can't do that.
That's why Christ came.
Christ destroyed death and sin,even though we're still on the
battlefield, and the only way wecan overcome is by allowing him
to live in us is by allowinghim to live in us.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Is there a question that I did not ask you that you
would like to answer, or ask andthen answer that for yourself?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I think that people have to understand we as
Christians.
There are probably over, fromwhat I've read, over 200,000
different Christiandenominations in the world.
So how did that happen?
And how does confusion becausethat's what I'm going to call it
(26:42):
the confusion of doctrines andbeliefs happen?
So I think we need to find outwhat is truth, and we can only
do that through a clearinterpretation of the Bible and
its prophecies, and I thinkthat's what God is calling us to
to find out, as Christ told thewoman at the well in John 4,
(27:06):
that God wants to be worshipedin spirit and in truth.
And Christ said I am the way,the truth and the life.
So there's only one truth,dorsey, but Christians, who were
supposed to be purveyors ofthat truth, have somehow, and
through the blinding and theresources of the enemy, we are
(27:26):
confused and confounded as well.
So, until we can learn tounderstand what the Bible is
really saying, I think that, andthat's, I think, what God is
actually leading us to with therevelation of all these things
that are going on right now, andso I hope that that answers
your question.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I think so yeah, as I get ready to close here, I
always like to ask my guests togive an encouragement or word of
knowledge to my audience andlook at.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
A lot of times it's hard to interpret what the Bible
says.
But don't just take some otherperson's word for it.
Confirm what you read in theBible.
And I would suggest, Dorsey,that people read my book,
because I think I have done atremendous job, honestly, of
(28:31):
making things plain and simple.
As I was preparing for yourinterview, I was thinking how
God keeps things simple.
For example, in the Garden ofEden, he told Adam and Eve you
can eat from everything but onetree, just one tree.
He gave us the Ten Commandments, which can be condensed to two
commandments love God and lovehis fellow man.
(28:51):
And so God does not complicateour lives, he simplifies our
lives.
We complicate, and the enemy isdesigned to throw confusion
into the midst of this.
So we got to seek God throughspirit and truth so that we will
(29:12):
not be confused and confoundedand deceived.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
In these last days, when can people buy your?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
book.
They can go to Amazoncom.
Let me get the book real quick.
Here's the book, I'll hold itup.
They go to Amazoncom.
It's called my Story.
His Glory, book 2.
Decoding Daniel Revelation andAmerica's Destiny Decoding
(29:41):
Daniel Revelation and America'sDestiny.
They can also go to my website,wwwhisglorypublishingcom.
Wwwhisglorypublishingcom, andthey can also get free things
there.
So it'swwwhisglorypublishingcom.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Well, Nathaniel, thank you so much for coming on
the show and sharing your storyand your expertise about what's
going on in our country and inour society.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Thank you.
Thank you, ross, I appreciateit.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Well, guys and girls, thank you so much for coming on
the show and for listening.
We greatly appreciate havingyou.
Please go and check outNathaniel's website and his
books, and hopefully you'llenjoy this episode and until
next time, God bless.
(30:36):
Bye-bye.
Hello everyone, thank you again for joining me on
another episode of the DorsureShow.
Today on the show we have aspecial guest with us.
His name is Nathaniel Arnold.
He is a visionary leader,mentor and author whose life
story is a testament toresilience, wisdom and
(00:39):
transformation.
He was raised in a raciallysegregated South.
He overcame systemic barriersand personal hardships to emerge
as a powerful voice for changeand empowerment.
As a powerful voice for changeand empowerment With Ted
(01:06):
Geiger's experience inleadership and community
mentorship.
Nathaniel's insights into thepast and present offer a
compelling perspective onAmerica's evolving social and
(01:27):
political landscape.
Thank you for having me.
Thank you for having me onJustice, leadership and Progress
.
Nathaniel, thank you so muchfor coming on the show today.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Thank you for having me.
Thank you for having meAbsolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I'd like to open up our discussion today with an
icebreaker question.
Today's icebreaker question iswhere did you grow up and did
that?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
affect who you became ?
That's a good question.
I grew up in my early years.
My very early years were inMobile, alabama, and in the late
50s and 60s that era was oneespecially in Alabama was one.
If you were an African-Americangrowing up in that era, civil
(02:29):
rights was really prominent andI grew up in a time when we were
really the civil rightsmovement was basically in its
heyday.
I would say Alabama had gonethrough the boycott years before
, and then, of course,segregation in the South.
We had things like the 16thstreet bombing where four black
(02:49):
girls were killed, all of thosethings.
We had Governor Wallace andBull Connor.
We had, of course, monserLuther King and John F Kennedy.
And so for me, growing up andnot really understanding what
the complexities of our societywere and seeing what I felt was
(03:14):
really injustice, especiallytoward Black people, especially
toward Black people, I wasconflicted and that helped me to
it actually formulated a lot ofmy life's calling to try to
understand and resolve thedissonance that I felt and that
(03:37):
I saw in the larger society.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Can you tell us a little bit more about your life
growing up and about how youbecame a Christian and believer
in God and what all that lookedlike to you?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Okay, well, I guess I can go back to my story His
Glory, my first and second book.
The second book is just outrecently, but my first book I
chronicle my life's upbringing.
I was brought up in the churchin the Southern Baptist
tradition.
My mom was a very religiousperson as far as the Baptist
(04:15):
tradition.
Her father, my grandfatherHammy, was a Baptist minister,
and so we grew up, I grew upreally looking at life, I can
say, through the lens of theBible.
Whenever I would see, meet newpeople, I would kind of compare
them with people that I knew inthe Bible, but kind of compare
(04:36):
them with people that I knew inthe Bible.
I remember learning at a veryearly age Psalm 23.
I could recite it, I memorizedit.
I don't remember a time in mylife when I was not able to read
, and so things that influencedme were television, and back in
those days they had a lot ofbiblical stories, stories about
(05:03):
David and Samson and David andBathsheba, samson and Delilah,
and so those personages werereal to me and so I grew up
understanding that God was realand that he was a certain way
and I expected that of the worldand so going up in that
environment to understand, tosee the conflict, I would say,
(05:30):
between what I believe the Biblesaid, what the Bible taught and
how I believe God was, and howI saw the world and the world
reacting to God's children.
That caused just a lot ofdissonance, as I mentioned
before, and so that's how Ipretty much was trying to
(05:53):
understand that.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
What was that like when you saw that growing up and
you saw the segregation andeverything?
But you're reading the Bibleand you're seeing.
You know, hey, god's supposedto love everybody, god's
supposed to accept everybody,especially the Caucasian people
(06:17):
and the white people, notaccepting the African-American
people.
How did you resonate that?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
with what you were reading in the Bible.
Well, it was impossible really,because the two like East and
West, and so because that was aproblem, I remember and I put
this in my first book, which iscalled my Story, his Glory, a
(06:53):
lens on racism and religion inAmerica and God's final judgment
.
This is the book I talked aboutone particular August day in
1963.
I was not quite seven years old.
I remember being in front ofthe television I love television
, especially things like thenews and stuff like that and I
remember this one particular dayin August it was a summer and
(07:17):
watching television and they hada newsflash and that newsflash
had Governor Wallace standing infront of the Alabama State
College at that time AlabamaState and he was surrounded by
people and newsmen and NationalGuard and there were two black
(07:38):
students who wanted tomatriculate.
One's name was James Hood andVivian Malone, and he stood in
the door and said that theywould not enter here and he had
said he had been inaugurated, Ithink earlier that year, in
January, and he said segregationnow, segregation tomorrow,
(08:02):
segregation forever.
And I remember wondering aboutthat and after they flashed away
from him, they brought in acommercial.
The commercial showed thiswhite woman with long blonde
hair, just you know, swirling itlike a Prell commercial or VO
(08:23):
five commercial, I'm not surewhich one.
And so to me I caught both ofthose scenes.
One was of hatred toward blackpeople and the other was one of
white, the position of Americanwhite beauty.
And I thought to myself as achild, the juxtaposition of
(08:46):
those two things just againconflicted me.
And I remember asking God,doris.
I remember asking God why didyou make me a Negro?
Because I I didn't understandthis hatred, I didn't understand
this vitriol that people, thatour society, this society, the
(09:11):
American society had for blackpeople.
And I knew that if God were aloving God, which is what the
Bible said, that this was notright, it was not right.
And so I asked God to show me,and it took literally most of my
(09:35):
life for God to answer thatquestion for me.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
And how did God answer that question for you?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And he's in many, many ways still answering the
question.
God has shown me that and againI talk about it in my story His
Glory, that he indeed is love,he indeed is love, and that we
are in a conflict, dorsey.
(10:05):
And that we are in a conflict,dorsey, that conflict is not of
God's design, of his making, ofhis desire.
We fight an enemy who wants tosee us pretty much dead, and the
enemy is, of course, satan, thedevil, the dragon, and the
conflict was started by him andis because of him, and he is the
(10:29):
one that has planted all ofthese seeds of hatred.
I think it's in Matthew 14,where Christ is telling the
parable of the wheat and thetares, and he says an enemy has
done this, and that enemy isagain Satan.
(10:50):
So we see the conflict in theworld as a result of this great
conflict, of this greatcontroversy between Christ and
the being that he created, whichwe now call Satan.
So I understand that thiswarfare and these things that we
are seeing transpiring in ourlives are because of the enemy
(11:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Have you seen the racial barriers or the racial
segregation?
I mean, obviously we don't havesegregation now, but have you
seen the treatment ofAfrican-American people get
better over time, or has itchanged little by little?
(11:38):
How do you see that from thentill now?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I think things have pretty much remained the same in
this country and, for thatmatter, around the world.
We see an uptick in racialinjustice now, especially under
the new administration.
A lot of the things that arecoming out seem to be directed
(12:03):
almost directly at AfricanAmericans, and that is worrisome
, that's bothersome, and I thinkthat the Bible speaks to these
kinds of things, and there's a 2Timothy 3, verses 1 through 5,
talks about troublous times inthe end times.
(12:23):
I think we are beginning to seesome of those things manifest
now, and this is also a sign ofwhere we are in Earth's history.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Can you go back to your time in your youth and
share some key lessons that youlearned when you were in the
South and during that time.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I learned some things that I learned.
Well, we stayed in the Southuntil about I was nine years old
.
I learned to distrust, I guess,american society, if I'm candid
, because of the hypocrisy thatI saw.
I learned to distrustChristians because of the
(13:16):
hypocrisy that I witnessed.
I learned to, I guess, distrustAmerican government as well
because of the hypocrisy that Isaw.
And as I grew older it became,and I was able to research
(13:37):
things for myself, to learnthings that were not in the
history books, learned thingsthat were not in the history
books.
I began to realize that themyths that I had been told about
America and my place as a blackperson in America were not true
(13:58):
.
A lot of it was just plain lies.
And so I learned also todisrupt America.
But also, I would have to sayrealistically, that I felt
uncomfortable in my skin as anAfrican American, because the
(14:18):
larger society teaches us thatwe are less than, and that had
to have an effect upon my psycheand my thinking and my
interaction with society atlarge.
So all of those things played animportant role.
It limited my flight, so tospeak.
(14:40):
It limited my things that Idesired to be or to do, and this
society does that in a verysystemic and purposeful way, and
so I learned those things.
I learned also that you have tobe careful if you speak out
against this culture.
I look at Martin Luther King Jr.
(15:02):
What happened with him?
I looked at Malcolm X.
I look at Robert F Kennedy, andthese were people that I
admired and looked up to,growing up, and, you know, a
bullet ended the lives of eachone of those men John F Kennedy
as well.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I've done some research on you and I know that
you like some of the Biblecharacters or Bible people in
the Bible, one of them beingDavid and the other one being
Samson and how do they, you know, reflect on you and how do they
, you know, and some of it youknow connect with what you have
(15:46):
done in your own life?
How does that play a role inyour life?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Oh well, growing up, I remember, as I mentioned, I
looked at the world through thelens of the Bible, and so I
remember movies like Samson, anda lot of Samson was played by
Victor Mature, I think, at thattime, and David was played by
Gregory I think it was GregoryPeck and so I remember them
(16:16):
bringing those people to lifefor me, and I liked them because
they were strong, they wereexceptional.
Them because they were strong,they were exceptional.
David was brave, defeated alion with his bare hands, as did
Samson, and they were favoredby God, and I felt that if you
(16:37):
were on God's side, you couldnot lose.
And so for me, it was alwaysimportant to be on God's side,
and that's not always been thecase in my life, but I've always
felt close to God, doris, thatyou know.
Even from the time I was achild, I grew up believing what
(16:58):
the Bible said, and so Psalm 23for me was real.
It was God, was my shepherd,and even though I may go through
the valley of the shadow ofdeath, god will see me through.
And so that was very importantto me, you know, growing up in
(17:18):
this culture, to have that faiththat was anchored in the
Almighty.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
What type of advocacy have you done in your life and
what has that looked like?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I have worked as a, I became involved in the
Pan-African movement and I havedone writing.
My writing is my greatest formof advocacy, so to speak, to
reveal to people some of thethings that I have learned about
(17:56):
white supremacy in this country, to dissolve the myths that so
many of us struggle with andthat really hold us back, and so
that's been a large part ofwhat I do.
It's something that I'mcomfortable with.
I've attended, of course,marches and those kind of things
(18:17):
, and I've read a ton, done aton of research Dorsey, on just
things that dealt with Africanpeople in this country.
I've done a lot of research onthe founding politicians George
Washington and Thomas Jeffersonand Benjamin Franklin, I mean,
(18:40):
and the things I've learned havejust been amazing.
Of course, abraham Lincoln aswell, and try to get to the
roots of the cause of things inthis country.
And the things I've learnedhave just been amazing.
Of course, abraham Lincoln aswell, and try to get to the
roots of the cause of things inthis country.
I have a lot of research from abiblical perspective as well.
I like to call it both prophecyand prophecy.
(19:06):
Bible prophecy and earthlyhistory connect.
They're different sides of thesame coin and so if you
understand prophecy, you canbetter understand history, and
if you understand history, youcan better understand prophecy.
And so God wants us to know.
In fact, the Bible I think it'sAmos 3, 7, he says he will
reveal things to his prophets.
(19:26):
He will do nothing withoutfirst revealing it to his
prophets.
And so God wants us to knowwhat's going on in our
environment, in our society, inour world, so that we can make
informed decisions as to who toserve, because every choice we
make is a choice for right orwrong.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Right, and you mentioned about the myth that
we've heard in our lifetime, andwhat are some of those myths
that you think that we'velearned, that we think about?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Oh, oh, there's a ton of them.
If you look at American society, for example, we are trained to
believe that the foundingpoliticians were Christians,
that George Washington andBenjamin Franklin and Thomas
Jefferson and the whole host ofsignatories on the Declaration
of Independence were Christians.
(20:22):
They were not.
Most of them were what we nowcall deists, but they were men
of enlightenment and they werenot.
Many of them did not believe inthe Bible at all.
In fact, if you know anythingabout Thomas Jefferson, he wrote
(20:46):
his own Bible, and that Biblewas called the Jefferson Bible,
and it excluded most of whatJesus talked about in all of his
miracles.
George Washington was a Mason.
In fact, he was sworn in usinga Mason Bible in his first
(21:07):
inauguration.
Benjamin Franklin also was adeist and really did not espouse
any religion per se, and hefelt that religion, especially
Christianity, had its place as amoral compass, but it was just
not something that he espoused.
(21:29):
And so we have been taught inthe history books that this
country was founded onJudeo-Christian principles.
The reality is and that is farfrom the truth.
America is is truly anexperiment in democracy, but
(21:51):
it's also truly an experiment intyranny At the same time,
because on the one hand, you hadthe founding fathers of a
select group of white men whoorchestrated and maintained and
kept power for themselves.
You remember that blackAmericans couldn't vote, nor
(22:13):
could Native Americans, and norcould women, and it took a
century, basically, for women'ssuffrage to be granted.
So, on the one hand, we aredeluded into thinking that, no,
this is the land of the free andthe home of the brave, when in
essence that has not been thecase for most of our historical
(22:35):
time period.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Right.
How do you view America'sevolving role in shaping justice
, leadership and the socialthings?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
think.
Well, my belief is again, Ihave to look at history and
prophecy In the Bible.
If you look at Revelation,chapter 13, which is very
seminal, that's the last book ofthe Bible and it's Jesus'
revelation to John.
The Apostle John is taken intovision throughout this entire
(23:19):
book of Revelation and Godreveals to him certain future
events that are going to happen,and one of those events is the
founding and the ending ofAmerica.
Notice what I said both thefounding of America is in the
Bible and the ending of thecountry, and so if you read
(23:40):
Revelation 13 and 14, it saysthat there is 13 talks about the
dragon that gives his power toa multi-headed dragon,
seven-headed dragon that giveshis power to the beast to a sea
beast, let me be precise.
And then the sea beast alsogives its power to the land
(24:04):
beast, based on historicalthings, which I prove in my
second book, my story of HisGlory, book 2, the second beast
in Revelation, or the land beast, the earth beast, is America,
and so I talk about that ingreat detail in my second book.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
My second book.
How do you think we could dobetter with becoming closer
together when we deal with racerelations and becoming better
interacting with one another asa culture and as a society?
I don't think we can as aculture and as a society.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I don't think we can as a culture and society.
I think it's too systemic andit's been with us far, far too
long.
I think we have to look at thaton an individual level, and if
I were to just take myselfDorsey, it would be the only way
that can even happen.
And it's going to have tohappen on an individual level.
(25:11):
And that individual level canonly happen if we draw closer to
God, because understanding thisconflict, that basically there
are only two sides in thisconflict, there's good and
there's evil, there's Christ andthen there's Satan.
So the purveyor of love is God.
(25:32):
That's the only way we can love, and the further we are away
from God, the less we are tolove.
You see what I'm saying.
So there's no real way to do iton a macro level.
We have to do it on a microlevel, and I think that is what
so many we try to fix theproblem of sin through our own
(25:54):
efforts.
We can't do that.
That's why Christ came.
Christ destroyed death and sin,even though we're still on the
battlefield, and the only way wecan overcome is by allowing him
to live in us is by allowinghim to live in us.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Is there a question that I did not ask you that you
would like to answer, or ask andthen answer that for yourself?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I think that people have to understand we as
Christians.
There are probably over, fromwhat I've read, over 200,000
different Christiandenominations in the world.
So how did that happen?
And how does confusion becausethat's what I'm going to call it
(26:42):
the confusion of doctrines andbeliefs happen?
So I think we need to find outwhat is truth, and we can only
do that through a clearinterpretation of the Bible and
its prophecies, and I thinkthat's what God is calling us to
to find out, as Christ told thewoman at the well in John 4,
(27:06):
that God wants to be worshipedin spirit and in truth.
And Christ said I am the way,the truth and the life.
So there's only one truth,dorsey, but Christians, who were
supposed to be purveyors ofthat truth, have somehow, and
through the blinding and theresources of the enemy, we are
(27:26):
confused and confounded as well.
So, until we can learn tounderstand what the Bible is
really saying, I think that, andthat's, I think, what God is
actually leading us to with therevelation of all these things
that are going on right now, andso I hope that that answers
your question.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I think so yeah, as I get ready to close here, I
always like to ask my guests togive an encouragement or word of
knowledge to my audience andlook at.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
A lot of times it's hard to interpret what the Bible
says.
But don't just take some otherperson's word for it.
Confirm what you read in theBible.
And I would suggest, Dorsey,that people read my book,
because I think I have done atremendous job, honestly, of
(28:31):
making things plain and simple.
As I was preparing for yourinterview, I was thinking how
God keeps things simple.
For example, in the Garden ofEden, he told Adam and Eve you
can eat from everything but onetree, just one tree.
He gave us the Ten Commandments, which can be condensed to two
commandments love God and lovehis fellow man.
(28:51):
And so God does not complicateour lives, he simplifies our
lives.
We complicate, and the enemy isdesigned to throw confusion
into the midst of this.
So we got to seek God throughspirit and truth so that we will
(29:12):
not be confused and confoundedand deceived.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
In these last days, when can people buy your?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
book.
They can go to Amazoncom.
Let me get the book real quick.
Here's the book, I'll hold itup.
They go to Amazoncom.
It's called my Story.
His Glory, book 2.
Decoding Daniel Revelation andAmerica's Destiny Decoding
(29:41):
Daniel Revelation and America'sDestiny.
They can also go to my website,wwwhisglorypublishingcom.
Wwwhisglorypublishingcom, andthey can also get free things
there.
So it'swwwhisglorypublishingcom.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Well, Nathaniel, thank you so much for coming on
the show and sharing your storyand your expertise about what's
going on in our country and inour society.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Thank you.
Thank you, ross, I appreciateit.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Well, guys and girls, thank you so much for coming on
the show and for listening.
We greatly appreciate havingyou.
Please go and check outNathaniel's website and his
books, and hopefully you'llenjoy this episode and until
next time, God bless.
(30:36):
Bye-bye.
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