December 3, 2025 • 32 mins
Start with a prophecy almost everyone agrees is important but few claim to understand: Daniel 9. Now imagine testing it with modern calendars, archaeological finds, and arithmetic simple enough for a pocket calculator. That’s the journey we take with chemist and author James Brown, who argues that Daniel’s timeline doesn’t just gesture at a vague era; it targets key dates in the life of Jesus and links to milestones in recent history with day-level precision.
We walk through James’s personal shift from cultural apathy to evidence-driven faith, sparked by fatherhood and a Bible study that refused to leave Daniel 9 in the fog. He explains how earlier giants like Newton and Anderson got close but lacked twentieth-century data and calendrical corrections. Then the conversation broadens: Ezekiel 4’s cryptic count suddenly slots into place, Jeremiah’s seventy years connect to Daniel’s captivity marker, and two modern events—Israel’s statehood in 1948 and Jerusalem’s 1967 reunification—emerge as verifiable waypoints in the same framework.
Along the way, we revisit the surprises archaeology has delivered, from the Hittites to Belshazzar, and we follow the trail to the Great Isaiah Scroll, carbon-dated to about 125 BC and preserving Isaiah 52:13–53:12 with striking clarity. James contends these threads knit together three objective proofs: God exists, Jesus is the promised Messiah, and Scripture carries reliable prophecy and fulfillment. No advanced math, no shifting rules—just one consistent method, audited and reproducible.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:30):
Hello everyone, thank you again for joining me
on another episode of the DorseyRuss show.
Today we'll have a special guestwith us, his name is James
Brown.
He is a scientist who presents anew solution to a biblical
passage from Daniel concerningGod's existence, Jesus'
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messiahship, and scripture'sreliability.
He is also the author of theGod, which presents a new and
surprisingly precise solution toDaniel's passage and verifies it
using objective evidence.
This this solution confirmsGod's existence.
(01:33):
I always like to open up with aicebreaker question.
What something my listeners maynot know about you?
SPEAKER_03 (01:44):
Oh, what something your listeners may not know
about me.
Well, goodness, what can I say?
I don't really see myself as aremarkable person at all.
I see myself as being quitenormal for someone who was born
in a church-going family, yetwas not terribly into church or
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word, who went to college andtook a technical degree and fell
into this world of uh apathy anddrifting away from God.
Hanging out with people whowanted to be scientists, and you
know, you got to prove it to me.
If I'm gonna believe something,you have to show me the
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evidence.
And I did take that to heart,and I still do.
And I think in the end, itworked out for the best because
I'm able to approach questionsthat most people approach on
faith alone and unpack thembased on objective evidence.
And many people find that veryhelpful.
(02:51):
Uh, it's a lot easier to believesomething when you see the basis
for believing it.
SPEAKER_00 (02:56):
Right.
What one thing about yourcareer, about you being a
scientist, that you didn'texpect.
SPEAKER_03 (03:06):
Well, I didn't expect to succeed as much as I
did, and I I know that soundsboastful, but I was able to help
many good people build abusiness, and which we sold uh
uh a few years ago, and that'sbeen very transformative.
(03:27):
Now, I had already come backinto the word and come back to
faith prior to that time, a fewyears prior to that time.
But I I certainly did not seethe outcome and the timing.
The timing was just great.
I would not want to be running abusiness right now.
SPEAKER_00 (03:48):
Tell us about your life, which you dig a little bit
already, and your well, I thinkthe the most important thing is
my faith walk.
SPEAKER_03 (03:58):
That's uh in the context of the book that uh I've
written.
Um like I said, I was notterribly into the war and had
been somewhat apathetic andcomplacent uh for most of my
career.
And then I had a child, andsomething awoke in me that, you
know, here I am, responsible foranother human being.
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And whereas in the past, I havefelt uh the love from others, as
we do when we're children, youknow, people love us, you know,
everybody loves babies andlittle kids, and and that feels
good, but I I really didn'tunderstand the power of the love
that comes out of you.
And that that's far moreoverwhelming.
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And it's like a mighty river.
It flows out of your heart likea mighty river.
And that awoken in me anunderstanding of uh I think
God's love.
It was the closest thing that Ihad experienced to God's love,
the love for my child.
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So that started several thingsin motion.
And uh one day I was drivingpast uh church and I felt the
word to go there.
I don't know where, it is not anaudible word, but I felt
compelled to go there.
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And in that church, which wassurprisingly welcoming, not all
of them are, but this one was,there was one of the best Bible
studies that I had ever been in.
And uh that unlocked a curiosityin me and exploring the word
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more deeply.
And I saw a presentation onpassage in Daniel.
It's found in Daniel chapternine, uh, where Daniel is
predicting the precise timing ofJesus' arrival on earth the
first time.
Now remember, Daniel, he livedin in the 500s BC, let's say,
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the 6th century B.C.
From about 620, we think he wasborn in about 620 B.C., and that
he died probably shortly after535 BC.
But we're not precisely sure onthose dates.
But there is a passage inDaniel, in Daniel 925.
It is the only sentence in theBible that gives the precise
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timing of the Messiah's arrival.
And it actually uses the wordMessiah, unlike most messianic
prophecies.
So there's no doubt what he isdoing here.
And it was so everybody knew itwas such an important passage,
even though no one could come toan agreement on what it meant.
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People knew that this was key.
It was so important that Jesushimself referred to it.
He referred to this prophecy asa whole.
The prophecy goes from Daniel9.24 to Daniel 9.27.
But to understand it, you shouldactually read all of Daniel 9.
But anyway, Jesus made referenceto this prophecy.
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That's in Matthew 24.15.
And he added a little line.
He said, Let the readerunderstand.
And that's interesting because alot of people think, well,
people, let the reader ofMatthew understand this verse in
Matthew.
But actually, when Jesus saidthat, his words weren't written
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yet, and he is referring to thereader of Daniel.
Because he mentions Daniel byname, actually, when you see the
abomination spoken of by Danielthe prophet, and then it says,
Let the reader understand.
So we are urged to read andunderstand that passage.
And when we turn to Daniel, wesee this sentence that starts
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with the words, Therefore youare to know and understand.
So this call out that Jesus gaveus is repeated in Daniel.
Therefore, you are to know andunderstand that from the going
forth of a decree to restore andrebuild Jerusalem until Messiah
the Prince, there shall be sevenweeks and sixty-two weeks.
Now that's very cryptic, butthere is a solution, and the
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solution is far more extensive,it's far more robust, and it's
far more objectively verifiablethan anyone in the past has even
imagined.
SPEAKER_00 (08:41):
What the outcome of that pass is as far as the date
is concerned for when Jesus didcome to Earth the first time.
SPEAKER_03 (09:04):
Correct, correct.
But we can verify them.
Actually, we do now.
It's just that we we we've notcome to a consensus agreement
yet.
SPEAKER_01 (09:13):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (09:14):
As it turns out, um, there have been people who have
placed the nativity, forexample, correctly in the
correct month, I've seen, in thecorrect month and year.
People have placed the hisbaptism in the correct year.
People have placed his triumphalentry in the correct year.
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Those but they're not agreedupon.
And there are arguments forother dates.
Here we're bringing new evidenceto show that not only did Daniel
predict these to the day, to theday, but we can verify these by
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objective evidence, which isknown now in today's modern age,
which was not known before orthe 20th century.
I mean, people have been tryingto solve this for centuries,
even before Jesus came.
We have in the Dead Sea Scrollsone attempt to explain or
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interpret this prophecy.
That's how we know that it camebefore Jesus.
That's one reason we know itcame before Jesus.
And this is quite importantbecause if this is right, that
means there is a God.
And God is speaking to usaccurately through his word
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recorded in the Bible.
And yes, Jesus is the promisedMessiah.
That's pretty profound.
That's a pretty profound thingto unpack.
SPEAKER_00 (10:52):
What did you study, or what do you study as a
scientist?
SPEAKER_03 (10:58):
My field, what chemistry?
Specifically organic chemistryand in the field of lipids, uh,
lipid chemists, and my businessdealt with we developed,
produced, and sold, distributedand sold, specialty ingredients
for personal care products likebeauty, health, and hygiene.
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And we sold those worldwide.
SPEAKER_00 (11:24):
And as a scientist, what made you decide to study,
you know, the Bible and studythis specific scripture verse?
Because I was not most, maybenot most, but a lot of
scientists will say there is nothere is no God.
What made you study the Bibleand study that that verse?
SPEAKER_03 (11:48):
Yeah, here's a dirty secret.
There are a lot more scientistbelievers than you see in the
public eye.
If you're a scientist and you'rewriting papers in your field of
research, and those papers arereviewed by your peers all over
the world, there are no bordersin this process, then you cannot
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assert any supernaturalexplanation to what you are
studying, even if the evidenceleads to it is very strong in
pointing to a supernaturalexplanation.
You still can't assert that inyour papers.
You cannot do that in yourprofessional life.
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Privately, though, there aremany scientists who agree and
see very clearly that there isno conflict between science and
faith.
None at all.
I have yet to see anything thatis any smoke and gun evidence
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that anything in the Bible isnot true.
I've not seen it yet.
And you know, for centuries,well, for decades, let's say,
we've been expecting to seethat.
We've only, for example, we'vebeen doing archaeology for about
200 years, almost 200 years, uh,in a systematic, professional
way.
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And when we started, a lot ofpeople thought, well, you know,
okay, we're gonna, we're gonnafinally find that the Bible is
just myth, you know, things likethe Hittites.
They had no idea who theHittites were, but you know, the
Hittites were in the Bible.
And suddenly, well, we actuallyfound the Hittite capital, and
we can now read their writings.
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And uh, yes, the Bible isaccurate on that.
You know, and Daniel wrote aboutKing Belshazzar in Babylon, and
the skeptics scoffed, saying,Well, there was no King
Belshazzar, and he's notattested to in the uh literature
nor in the archaeology.
But then we found his name andreferred to as the crown prince
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under uh Nabonidus.
And uh so now we know that yes,there was a King Belshazzar, and
actually he was ruling inBabylon because his father was
absentee.
And uh so time and time again,archaeology has either not
conflicted or has upheld andconfirmed the biblical
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narrative.
SPEAKER_00 (14:26):
Going back to the passage of Daniel 9, you even
mentioned that others haveattempted to, you know,
understand it and solve it andwhatnot.
Where do they go wrong that theyhave not been able to, you know,
solve the understanding of thatpassage?
SPEAKER_03 (14:48):
Yeah.
I have to be very clear here andnot speak, I no matter what I
say, do not understand it asbeing disparaging of anyone who
has gone before me.
It's a very challenging passage,and there have been some very
intelligent people who haveworked on this, notably uh even
Isaac Newton spent a lot of timeon this one and came and offered
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a proposed a solution to it.
Now, he did not claim finality,he actually suggested that that
what he has come up with is notnecessarily the solution, but he
had in his time insufficientevidence to verify what he was
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uh proposing.
Now there were others, forexample, notable ones.
Sir Robert Anderson in 1881wrote a book called The Coming
Prince, looked at this, and hecame so close to breaking it
wide open, but he found onefulfillment and then stopped and
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didn't check it.
And actually, you can see nowthat the fulfillment that he
proposed is technically notpossible.
1977, another professor, HaroldHoner, uh, wrote a book called
Chronological Aspects of theLife of Christ.
Very good book, very, veryacademically uh edifying book.
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And he corrected some ofAnderson's mistakes and made a
proposal, but it too iscalendrically unviable.
It can't be uh it it just itdoesn't work.
But in both of those cases,their interpretation, their
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biblical interpretation was spoton correct.
It was calendricaltechnicalities that they slipped
up on.
Now in Anderson's day and inNewton's day, they were not
privy to the full inform the theevidence that came about when
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well this is going to open up abig rabbit hole, but there are
two events in the 20th centurythat we know happened which cast
light on this fulfillment andconfirmed the overall
chronology.
And they simply were not privyto those.
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But once they happened, um thenthey would have been.
So I'm I'm actually not onlystanding on the shoulders of
giants, but can see over thefence.
I can see more than they wereable to see.
And I think that that's whatmade the difference ultimately.
SPEAKER_00 (17:45):
Tell us a little more about the book and what you
talk about and discuss in thebook, and what is the title of
the book as well.
SPEAKER_03 (17:55):
Yeah, the title is Three Proofs of God, and the
title is spot on accurate.
That there are definitely threelogical proofs of God that are
new and objective.
The takeaway is that here we areproviding conclusive evidence of
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God's existence, Jesus'messiahship, and scripture's
reliability.
Now, if someone that should pegeveryone's skepticism meter, it
would mine.
I wouldn't believe it just onthe face of it.
I I would want to see evidence.
And my writing this book andworking on it for a decade in
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order to get this message outclearly, that's consumed my
existence for my 50s,essentially.
And we we've really done somethings that nobody has ever done
before in this book.
One, there is math, of course.
So Daniel gives us numbers towork with.
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So we have to work with thosenumbers.
And there is some math, but it'sit's arithmetic.
It's not advanced math.
It's what you could do on acheap calculator.
And um I had all of the mathaudited by a tenured mathematics
professor at a U.S.
university, and his attestationletter is one of the um
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appendices in the book.
Because not everybody's anumbers person, but some people
are, and the numbers don't lie,and they are objective.
Um the second thing is that thisbook that we've written, it
reads itself to you.
At the top of every chapter,there's a QR code.
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And if you scan the QR code, thechapter reads itself to you.
And uh that's something that uhwe've not seen in other books.
I don't know if anybody's everdone it before.
I'm not claiming to be thefirst, but I've not seen anyone
else do this.
But it readers say that it makesa big difference.
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Another thing that we've done isadd uh an intro into each
paragraph, like a sentence, aone-sentence intro to each
paragraph, yeah, I'm sorry, toeach chapter, and then summary
bullet points at the end of eachchapter.
So it tells you where you'regoing, it tells you the the uh
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the facts, and then it tells youand it summarizes what it's told
you.
So that too is uh people findhelpful.
SPEAKER_00 (20:43):
What are the um some of the blue cages other than
Daniel 9 that you talk about inyour book?
SPEAKER_03 (20:52):
Yeah, Daniel 9, that one of the discoveries, for the
first one to talk about is thatDaniel 9, 25 is referencing more
than just one advent of Jesus.
In fact, he's referencing four,uh, at least, and we are able to
quantify and confirm those.
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The second is that Daniel'sprophecy fits intimately and
perfectly with a prophecy fromEzekiel, given in Ezekiel
chapter four, one that has justperplexed theologians for
millennia.
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And it fits to the day, to theexact day, when set in the
framework of Daniel's prophecy,and that points to the
re-emergence of Israel assovereign state in 1948, Israel
return of old the old city ofJerusalem and the Temple Mount
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to Israel in 1967.
Those are the events that we areable to look at and confirm
that, for example, Isaac Newtonwas not able to see, nor Robert
Anderson, or those who camebefore him.
SPEAKER_00 (22:15):
So what you're saying is you can look at the
Bible and they'll they'll talkor they'll prophesy about that
time in 1980.
SPEAKER_03 (22:28):
Yes.
Yes.
And it also fits with twoprophecies found in the book of
Jeremiah, Jeremiah 25 andJeremiah 29.
Those are the desolation ofJudah and the 70-year captivity
of uh Israel in Babylon, or ofJudah in Babylon, actually.
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And that started the very daythat Daniel was taken captive,
and that's in Daniel chapterone.
That story is told in Danielchapter one, and that event,
too, is actually um uhprophesied.
So it all fits, that's thething.
It all fits and it fits to theday, it fits to the exact day,
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and that's the exciting part.
We're using, we're taking onemethod.
We're taking, we are, we areinterpreting the chronology by
the same method at every step,and in a way that is that we can
also verify.
We'll put it that way.
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We're not playing game, we'renot changing the rules halfway
uh through the game.
SPEAKER_02 (23:44):
It's the same method that produces a result that is
correct, precise to the day.
SPEAKER_00 (23:54):
What do you hope to do next?
What is the next on the rightfor King of Blanc?
SPEAKER_03 (24:01):
I'm writing another book.
I'm writing another book, andit's and it's uh pretty
exciting, actually.
There is a passage in the bookof Isaiah that describes Jesus
perfectly if you look.
It starts in Isaiah chapter 52,verse 13, and it runs until the
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end of Isaiah chapter 53.
Now, if somebody just reads thatto you cold and asks, now who is
this?
The answer is obvious.
I mean, it's Jesus and it'snobody else in the history of
humanity anywhere in the world.
Only Jesus fulfills what iswritten in that passage.
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And this for centuries, that'sin the book of Isaiah, that's in
the Old Testament.
This was written before Jesuswas born.
Now, many skeptics over thecenturies just assumed that this
had to have been added later orchanged or altered to make it
look like Jesus because the fitwas just too close.
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But we discovered the Dead SeaScrolls, and we discovered the
great Isaiah scroll among them.
It's an extremely well-preservedcopy of the entire book of
Isaiah, including this passage,the fourth servant song of
Isaiah, from Isaiah 52.13 untilIsaiah 53.12.
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It's 15 verses.
Of course, they didn't haveverses back then, but it's all
there.
And it's the same.
And then people thought, well,maybe that scroll came from
after the time of Jesus.
Well, the paleographers wholooked at the writing style
immediately dated it to the BCera, like 100, 150 BC.
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They weren't precisely sure, butthey were adamantly sure that
this is from the BC era, forsure.
But it wasn't until the 1990sthat they actually had that
scroll carbon dated.
And the carbon dating came outat about 125 BC.
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That's the midpoint of theprobability.
So it confirmed the paleographicdating.
And they did it twice.
They did it once in a lab inZurich in Switzerland, and they
did it once uh at the Universityof Arizona in Tucson.
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And they both agreed.
They both came to the sameconclusion.
So we have something that isabsolutely, we're absolutely
sure that it predated Jesus andit precisely describes Jesus.
And and Jude in the Talmudic dayreferred the servant of Isaiah
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53 as Messiah.
So that's very interesting.
SPEAKER_02 (27:08):
Yeah.
And I think most of the churchis not aware of this.
But they're going to be.
SPEAKER_01 (27:15):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (27:17):
How would you date the earth?
Because a lot of people say it'sbuildings of years ago, and then
the Christians say, well, it'sonly six thousand years ago.
Is there any way to specificallysay who's right and who's wrong?
SPEAKER_03 (27:37):
The short answer is no.
It is a divisive topic.
I've heard arguments in manydirections.
One thing to keep in mind that adeep dive in the creation
narrative, you have to keep inmind a couple of things.
Number one, it's not just inGenesis.
There are other parts of theBible that also refer to the
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creation that's in the book ofJohn in the opening, the first
19 uh verses, and also in thebook of Job and in other places
as well.
And it is, the Psalms tell usthat it is in the totality of
God's word that we find thetruth.
We have to look at everything.
We can't cherry pick.
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We can't exclude things thatjust don't uh agree with us.
We have to deal with all of it.
So the second is that there ismore than just two ways to look
at it.
We hear in the public discourse,young earth creation or YEC, and
old earth creation is uh OEC.
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And those are not the only twoways to look at this.
Uh there are other, there mighteven be a dozen.
I'm not sure if it's a dozen,but let's say ten.
Um ten different ways.
I tend to not come down oraddress things which cannot be
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decided conclusively.
If we can't come to aconclusion, then I'm not even
beginning to walk down thatpath.
You can alienate people bytaking up divisive issues.
And I don't talk about uh dateof the earth, I don't talk about
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politics, I don't talk aboutother infant baptisms or
anything that could beconsidered denominational or uh
well political or anything likethat, because I'm here bringing
the word of God and I'm bringingit to everyone, everyone who has
ears to hear and eyes to see.
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And for me to uh alienate ordiscourage or anyone based on
something that has nothing to dowith the message that I'm
presenting, I I will alwaysavoid doing that.
Or at least I'll try.
unknown (30:04):
I'm not perfect.
SPEAKER_03 (30:06):
I have my opinions, but it they don't matter.
I mean until we can get to thebottom of it, they don't matter.
SPEAKER_00 (30:15):
I always like to ask my guest what encouragement or
what a w what a wisdom, what aknowledge would you give to my
listeners about this topic thatwe discussed today.
SPEAKER_03 (30:31):
Yes, uh, it's that we can figure this out.
And I'm showing how in the book.
This is a question that isprobably arguably the most
important, vital question in theentire universe for all of
humanity, for all of time.
Is there a God?
Yes or no.
Is there a supernatural?
Yes or no?
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So much depends upon the answer.
And to be able to come to aconclusion, to see objective
evidence that yes, there is asupernatural.
That supernatural entity isindeed the God of the Bible.
And that supernatural entity isindeed the creator of the
universe.
That is profound.
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And by the way, those are thepunchlines to the three proofs
that are found in the book.
SPEAKER_02 (31:18):
But but you have to read the whole book.
Otherwise, it doesn't work.
SPEAKER_00 (31:24):
And where can people buy your book?
SPEAKER_03 (31:27):
You can buy it on Amazon.
I'm proud to say, you know, wejust released the ebook version
on Kindle.
SPEAKER_00 (31:34):
Well, James, thank you so much for coming on the
show today.
We we greatly appreciate havingyou.
SPEAKER_03 (31:41):
Thank you, Dorsey.
I really enjoy uh speaking withyou.
And and I wish your listenersall the best and God bless.
SPEAKER_00 (31:50):
Thank you.
Well, guys and girls, thank youso much for coming on the show
today and for listening.
Please go and check out Jamie'sbook and uh please go and like
my website and my podcast aswell.
And until next time, God bless.
Bye bye.
Hello everyone, thank you again for joining me
on another episode of the DorseyRuss show.
Today we'll have a special guestwith us, his name is James
Brown.
He is a scientist who presents anew solution to a biblical
passage from Daniel concerningGod's existence, Jesus'
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messiahship, and scripture'sreliability.
He is also the author of theGod, which presents a new and
surprisingly precise solution toDaniel's passage and verifies it
using objective evidence.
This this solution confirmsGod's existence.
(01:33):
I always like to open up with aicebreaker question.
What something my listeners maynot know about you?
SPEAKER_03 (01:44):
Oh, what something your listeners may not know
about me.
Well, goodness, what can I say?
I don't really see myself as aremarkable person at all.
I see myself as being quitenormal for someone who was born
in a church-going family, yetwas not terribly into church or
(02:07):
word, who went to college andtook a technical degree and fell
into this world of uh apathy anddrifting away from God.
Hanging out with people whowanted to be scientists, and you
know, you got to prove it to me.
If I'm gonna believe something,you have to show me the
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evidence.
And I did take that to heart,and I still do.
And I think in the end, itworked out for the best because
I'm able to approach questionsthat most people approach on
faith alone and unpack thembased on objective evidence.
And many people find that veryhelpful.
(02:51):
Uh, it's a lot easier to believesomething when you see the basis
for believing it.
SPEAKER_00 (02:56):
Right.
What one thing about yourcareer, about you being a
scientist, that you didn'texpect.
SPEAKER_03 (03:06):
Well, I didn't expect to succeed as much as I
did, and I I know that soundsboastful, but I was able to help
many good people build abusiness, and which we sold uh
uh a few years ago, and that'sbeen very transformative.
(03:27):
Now, I had already come backinto the word and come back to
faith prior to that time, a fewyears prior to that time.
But I I certainly did not seethe outcome and the timing.
The timing was just great.
I would not want to be running abusiness right now.
SPEAKER_00 (03:48):
Tell us about your life, which you dig a little bit
already, and your well, I thinkthe the most important thing is
my faith walk.
SPEAKER_03 (03:58):
That's uh in the context of the book that uh I've
written.
Um like I said, I was notterribly into the war and had
been somewhat apathetic andcomplacent uh for most of my
career.
And then I had a child, andsomething awoke in me that, you
know, here I am, responsible foranother human being.
(04:20):
And whereas in the past, I havefelt uh the love from others, as
we do when we're children, youknow, people love us, you know,
everybody loves babies andlittle kids, and and that feels
good, but I I really didn'tunderstand the power of the love
that comes out of you.
And that that's far moreoverwhelming.
(04:41):
And it's like a mighty river.
It flows out of your heart likea mighty river.
And that awoken in me anunderstanding of uh I think
God's love.
It was the closest thing that Ihad experienced to God's love,
the love for my child.
(05:02):
So that started several thingsin motion.
And uh one day I was drivingpast uh church and I felt the
word to go there.
I don't know where, it is not anaudible word, but I felt
compelled to go there.
(05:23):
And in that church, which wassurprisingly welcoming, not all
of them are, but this one was,there was one of the best Bible
studies that I had ever been in.
And uh that unlocked a curiosityin me and exploring the word
(05:43):
more deeply.
And I saw a presentation onpassage in Daniel.
It's found in Daniel chapternine, uh, where Daniel is
predicting the precise timing ofJesus' arrival on earth the
first time.
Now remember, Daniel, he livedin in the 500s BC, let's say,
(06:08):
the 6th century B.C.
From about 620, we think he wasborn in about 620 B.C., and that
he died probably shortly after535 BC.
But we're not precisely sure onthose dates.
But there is a passage inDaniel, in Daniel 925.
It is the only sentence in theBible that gives the precise
(06:35):
timing of the Messiah's arrival.
And it actually uses the wordMessiah, unlike most messianic
prophecies.
So there's no doubt what he isdoing here.
And it was so everybody knew itwas such an important passage,
even though no one could come toan agreement on what it meant.
(06:57):
People knew that this was key.
It was so important that Jesushimself referred to it.
He referred to this prophecy asa whole.
The prophecy goes from Daniel9.24 to Daniel 9.27.
But to understand it, you shouldactually read all of Daniel 9.
But anyway, Jesus made referenceto this prophecy.
(07:19):
That's in Matthew 24.15.
And he added a little line.
He said, Let the readerunderstand.
And that's interesting because alot of people think, well,
people, let the reader ofMatthew understand this verse in
Matthew.
But actually, when Jesus saidthat, his words weren't written
(07:40):
yet, and he is referring to thereader of Daniel.
Because he mentions Daniel byname, actually, when you see the
abomination spoken of by Danielthe prophet, and then it says,
Let the reader understand.
So we are urged to read andunderstand that passage.
And when we turn to Daniel, wesee this sentence that starts
(08:04):
with the words, Therefore youare to know and understand.
So this call out that Jesus gaveus is repeated in Daniel.
Therefore, you are to know andunderstand that from the going
forth of a decree to restore andrebuild Jerusalem until Messiah
the Prince, there shall be sevenweeks and sixty-two weeks.
Now that's very cryptic, butthere is a solution, and the
(08:28):
solution is far more extensive,it's far more robust, and it's
far more objectively verifiablethan anyone in the past has even
imagined.
SPEAKER_00 (08:41):
What the outcome of that pass is as far as the date
is concerned for when Jesus didcome to Earth the first time.
SPEAKER_03 (09:04):
Correct, correct.
But we can verify them.
Actually, we do now.
It's just that we we we've notcome to a consensus agreement
yet.
SPEAKER_01 (09:13):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (09:14):
As it turns out, um, there have been people who have
placed the nativity, forexample, correctly in the
correct month, I've seen, in thecorrect month and year.
People have placed the hisbaptism in the correct year.
People have placed his triumphalentry in the correct year.
(09:37):
Those but they're not agreedupon.
And there are arguments forother dates.
Here we're bringing new evidenceto show that not only did Daniel
predict these to the day, to theday, but we can verify these by
(09:57):
objective evidence, which isknown now in today's modern age,
which was not known before orthe 20th century.
I mean, people have been tryingto solve this for centuries,
even before Jesus came.
We have in the Dead Sea Scrollsone attempt to explain or
(10:19):
interpret this prophecy.
That's how we know that it camebefore Jesus.
That's one reason we know itcame before Jesus.
And this is quite importantbecause if this is right, that
means there is a God.
And God is speaking to usaccurately through his word
(10:40):
recorded in the Bible.
And yes, Jesus is the promisedMessiah.
That's pretty profound.
That's a pretty profound thingto unpack.
SPEAKER_00 (10:52):
What did you study, or what do you study as a
scientist?
SPEAKER_03 (10:58):
My field, what chemistry?
Specifically organic chemistryand in the field of lipids, uh,
lipid chemists, and my businessdealt with we developed,
produced, and sold, distributedand sold, specialty ingredients
for personal care products likebeauty, health, and hygiene.
(11:21):
And we sold those worldwide.
SPEAKER_00 (11:24):
And as a scientist, what made you decide to study,
you know, the Bible and studythis specific scripture verse?
Because I was not most, maybenot most, but a lot of
scientists will say there is nothere is no God.
What made you study the Bibleand study that that verse?
SPEAKER_03 (11:48):
Yeah, here's a dirty secret.
There are a lot more scientistbelievers than you see in the
public eye.
If you're a scientist and you'rewriting papers in your field of
research, and those papers arereviewed by your peers all over
the world, there are no bordersin this process, then you cannot
(12:11):
assert any supernaturalexplanation to what you are
studying, even if the evidenceleads to it is very strong in
pointing to a supernaturalexplanation.
You still can't assert that inyour papers.
You cannot do that in yourprofessional life.
(12:36):
Privately, though, there aremany scientists who agree and
see very clearly that there isno conflict between science and
faith.
None at all.
I have yet to see anything thatis any smoke and gun evidence
(12:56):
that anything in the Bible isnot true.
I've not seen it yet.
And you know, for centuries,well, for decades, let's say,
we've been expecting to seethat.
We've only, for example, we'vebeen doing archaeology for about
200 years, almost 200 years, uh,in a systematic, professional
way.
(13:17):
And when we started, a lot ofpeople thought, well, you know,
okay, we're gonna, we're gonnafinally find that the Bible is
just myth, you know, things likethe Hittites.
They had no idea who theHittites were, but you know, the
Hittites were in the Bible.
And suddenly, well, we actuallyfound the Hittite capital, and
we can now read their writings.
(13:38):
And uh, yes, the Bible isaccurate on that.
You know, and Daniel wrote aboutKing Belshazzar in Babylon, and
the skeptics scoffed, saying,Well, there was no King
Belshazzar, and he's notattested to in the uh literature
nor in the archaeology.
But then we found his name andreferred to as the crown prince
(14:00):
under uh Nabonidus.
And uh so now we know that yes,there was a King Belshazzar, and
actually he was ruling inBabylon because his father was
absentee.
And uh so time and time again,archaeology has either not
conflicted or has upheld andconfirmed the biblical
(14:25):
narrative.
SPEAKER_00 (14:26):
Going back to the passage of Daniel 9, you even
mentioned that others haveattempted to, you know,
understand it and solve it andwhatnot.
Where do they go wrong that theyhave not been able to, you know,
solve the understanding of thatpassage?
SPEAKER_03 (14:48):
Yeah.
I have to be very clear here andnot speak, I no matter what I
say, do not understand it asbeing disparaging of anyone who
has gone before me.
It's a very challenging passage,and there have been some very
intelligent people who haveworked on this, notably uh even
Isaac Newton spent a lot of timeon this one and came and offered
(15:12):
a proposed a solution to it.
Now, he did not claim finality,he actually suggested that that
what he has come up with is notnecessarily the solution, but he
had in his time insufficientevidence to verify what he was
(15:37):
uh proposing.
Now there were others, forexample, notable ones.
Sir Robert Anderson in 1881wrote a book called The Coming
Prince, looked at this, and hecame so close to breaking it
wide open, but he found onefulfillment and then stopped and
(15:59):
didn't check it.
And actually, you can see nowthat the fulfillment that he
proposed is technically notpossible.
1977, another professor, HaroldHoner, uh, wrote a book called
Chronological Aspects of theLife of Christ.
Very good book, very, veryacademically uh edifying book.
(16:22):
And he corrected some ofAnderson's mistakes and made a
proposal, but it too iscalendrically unviable.
It can't be uh it it just itdoesn't work.
But in both of those cases,their interpretation, their
(16:44):
biblical interpretation was spoton correct.
It was calendricaltechnicalities that they slipped
up on.
Now in Anderson's day and inNewton's day, they were not
privy to the full inform the theevidence that came about when
(17:07):
well this is going to open up abig rabbit hole, but there are
two events in the 20th centurythat we know happened which cast
light on this fulfillment andconfirmed the overall
chronology.
And they simply were not privyto those.
(17:27):
But once they happened, um thenthey would have been.
So I'm I'm actually not onlystanding on the shoulders of
giants, but can see over thefence.
I can see more than they wereable to see.
And I think that that's whatmade the difference ultimately.
SPEAKER_00 (17:45):
Tell us a little more about the book and what you
talk about and discuss in thebook, and what is the title of
the book as well.
SPEAKER_03 (17:55):
Yeah, the title is Three Proofs of God, and the
title is spot on accurate.
That there are definitely threelogical proofs of God that are
new and objective.
The takeaway is that here we areproviding conclusive evidence of
(18:18):
God's existence, Jesus'messiahship, and scripture's
reliability.
Now, if someone that should pegeveryone's skepticism meter, it
would mine.
I wouldn't believe it just onthe face of it.
I I would want to see evidence.
And my writing this book andworking on it for a decade in
(18:41):
order to get this message outclearly, that's consumed my
existence for my 50s,essentially.
And we we've really done somethings that nobody has ever done
before in this book.
One, there is math, of course.
So Daniel gives us numbers towork with.
(19:04):
So we have to work with thosenumbers.
And there is some math, but it'sit's arithmetic.
It's not advanced math.
It's what you could do on acheap calculator.
And um I had all of the mathaudited by a tenured mathematics
professor at a U.S.
university, and his attestationletter is one of the um
(19:27):
appendices in the book.
Because not everybody's anumbers person, but some people
are, and the numbers don't lie,and they are objective.
Um the second thing is that thisbook that we've written, it
reads itself to you.
At the top of every chapter,there's a QR code.
(19:49):
And if you scan the QR code, thechapter reads itself to you.
And uh that's something that uhwe've not seen in other books.
I don't know if anybody's everdone it before.
I'm not claiming to be thefirst, but I've not seen anyone
else do this.
But it readers say that it makesa big difference.
(20:12):
Another thing that we've done isadd uh an intro into each
paragraph, like a sentence, aone-sentence intro to each
paragraph, yeah, I'm sorry, toeach chapter, and then summary
bullet points at the end of eachchapter.
So it tells you where you'regoing, it tells you the the uh
(20:33):
the facts, and then it tells youand it summarizes what it's told
you.
So that too is uh people findhelpful.
SPEAKER_00 (20:43):
What are the um some of the blue cages other than
Daniel 9 that you talk about inyour book?
SPEAKER_03 (20:52):
Yeah, Daniel 9, that one of the discoveries, for the
first one to talk about is thatDaniel 9, 25 is referencing more
than just one advent of Jesus.
In fact, he's referencing four,uh, at least, and we are able to
quantify and confirm those.
(21:13):
The second is that Daniel'sprophecy fits intimately and
perfectly with a prophecy fromEzekiel, given in Ezekiel
chapter four, one that has justperplexed theologians for
millennia.
(21:33):
And it fits to the day, to theexact day, when set in the
framework of Daniel's prophecy,and that points to the
re-emergence of Israel assovereign state in 1948, Israel
return of old the old city ofJerusalem and the Temple Mount
(21:57):
to Israel in 1967.
Those are the events that we areable to look at and confirm
that, for example, Isaac Newtonwas not able to see, nor Robert
Anderson, or those who camebefore him.
SPEAKER_00 (22:15):
So what you're saying is you can look at the
Bible and they'll they'll talkor they'll prophesy about that
time in 1980.
SPEAKER_03 (22:28):
Yes.
Yes.
And it also fits with twoprophecies found in the book of
Jeremiah, Jeremiah 25 andJeremiah 29.
Those are the desolation ofJudah and the 70-year captivity
of uh Israel in Babylon, or ofJudah in Babylon, actually.
(22:53):
And that started the very daythat Daniel was taken captive,
and that's in Daniel chapterone.
That story is told in Danielchapter one, and that event,
too, is actually um uhprophesied.
So it all fits, that's thething.
It all fits and it fits to theday, it fits to the exact day,
(23:16):
and that's the exciting part.
We're using, we're taking onemethod.
We're taking, we are, we areinterpreting the chronology by
the same method at every step,and in a way that is that we can
also verify.
We'll put it that way.
(23:37):
We're not playing game, we'renot changing the rules halfway
uh through the game.
SPEAKER_02 (23:44):
It's the same method that produces a result that is
correct, precise to the day.
SPEAKER_00 (23:54):
What do you hope to do next?
What is the next on the rightfor King of Blanc?
SPEAKER_03 (24:01):
I'm writing another book.
I'm writing another book, andit's and it's uh pretty
exciting, actually.
There is a passage in the bookof Isaiah that describes Jesus
perfectly if you look.
It starts in Isaiah chapter 52,verse 13, and it runs until the
(24:22):
end of Isaiah chapter 53.
Now, if somebody just reads thatto you cold and asks, now who is
this?
The answer is obvious.
I mean, it's Jesus and it'snobody else in the history of
humanity anywhere in the world.
Only Jesus fulfills what iswritten in that passage.
(24:43):
And this for centuries, that'sin the book of Isaiah, that's in
the Old Testament.
This was written before Jesuswas born.
Now, many skeptics over thecenturies just assumed that this
had to have been added later orchanged or altered to make it
look like Jesus because the fitwas just too close.
(25:08):
But we discovered the Dead SeaScrolls, and we discovered the
great Isaiah scroll among them.
It's an extremely well-preservedcopy of the entire book of
Isaiah, including this passage,the fourth servant song of
Isaiah, from Isaiah 52.13 untilIsaiah 53.12.
(25:30):
It's 15 verses.
Of course, they didn't haveverses back then, but it's all
there.
And it's the same.
And then people thought, well,maybe that scroll came from
after the time of Jesus.
Well, the paleographers wholooked at the writing style
immediately dated it to the BCera, like 100, 150 BC.
(25:55):
They weren't precisely sure, butthey were adamantly sure that
this is from the BC era, forsure.
But it wasn't until the 1990sthat they actually had that
scroll carbon dated.
And the carbon dating came outat about 125 BC.
(26:19):
That's the midpoint of theprobability.
So it confirmed the paleographicdating.
And they did it twice.
They did it once in a lab inZurich in Switzerland, and they
did it once uh at the Universityof Arizona in Tucson.
(26:39):
And they both agreed.
They both came to the sameconclusion.
So we have something that isabsolutely, we're absolutely
sure that it predated Jesus andit precisely describes Jesus.
And and Jude in the Talmudic dayreferred the servant of Isaiah
(27:03):
53 as Messiah.
So that's very interesting.
SPEAKER_02 (27:08):
Yeah.
And I think most of the churchis not aware of this.
But they're going to be.
SPEAKER_01 (27:15):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (27:17):
How would you date the earth?
Because a lot of people say it'sbuildings of years ago, and then
the Christians say, well, it'sonly six thousand years ago.
Is there any way to specificallysay who's right and who's wrong?
SPEAKER_03 (27:37):
The short answer is no.
It is a divisive topic.
I've heard arguments in manydirections.
One thing to keep in mind that adeep dive in the creation
narrative, you have to keep inmind a couple of things.
Number one, it's not just inGenesis.
There are other parts of theBible that also refer to the
(28:01):
creation that's in the book ofJohn in the opening, the first
19 uh verses, and also in thebook of Job and in other places
as well.
And it is, the Psalms tell usthat it is in the totality of
God's word that we find thetruth.
We have to look at everything.
We can't cherry pick.
(28:21):
We can't exclude things thatjust don't uh agree with us.
We have to deal with all of it.
So the second is that there ismore than just two ways to look
at it.
We hear in the public discourse,young earth creation or YEC, and
old earth creation is uh OEC.
(28:42):
And those are not the only twoways to look at this.
Uh there are other, there mighteven be a dozen.
I'm not sure if it's a dozen,but let's say ten.
Um ten different ways.
I tend to not come down oraddress things which cannot be
(29:03):
decided conclusively.
If we can't come to aconclusion, then I'm not even
beginning to walk down thatpath.
You can alienate people bytaking up divisive issues.
And I don't talk about uh dateof the earth, I don't talk about
(29:25):
politics, I don't talk aboutother infant baptisms or
anything that could beconsidered denominational or uh
well political or anything likethat, because I'm here bringing
the word of God and I'm bringingit to everyone, everyone who has
ears to hear and eyes to see.
(29:48):
And for me to uh alienate ordiscourage or anyone based on
something that has nothing to dowith the message that I'm
presenting, I I will alwaysavoid doing that.
Or at least I'll try.
unknown (30:04):
I'm not perfect.
SPEAKER_03 (30:06):
I have my opinions, but it they don't matter.
I mean until we can get to thebottom of it, they don't matter.
SPEAKER_00 (30:15):
I always like to ask my guest what encouragement or
what a w what a wisdom, what aknowledge would you give to my
listeners about this topic thatwe discussed today.
SPEAKER_03 (30:31):
Yes, uh, it's that we can figure this out.
And I'm showing how in the book.
This is a question that isprobably arguably the most
important, vital question in theentire universe for all of
humanity, for all of time.
Is there a God?
Yes or no.
Is there a supernatural?
Yes or no?
(30:51):
So much depends upon the answer.
And to be able to come to aconclusion, to see objective
evidence that yes, there is asupernatural.
That supernatural entity isindeed the God of the Bible.
And that supernatural entity isindeed the creator of the
universe.
That is profound.
(31:12):
And by the way, those are thepunchlines to the three proofs
that are found in the book.
SPEAKER_02 (31:18):
But but you have to read the whole book.
Otherwise, it doesn't work.
SPEAKER_00 (31:24):
And where can people buy your book?
SPEAKER_03 (31:27):
You can buy it on Amazon.
I'm proud to say, you know, wejust released the ebook version
on Kindle.
SPEAKER_00 (31:34):
Well, James, thank you so much for coming on the
show today.
We we greatly appreciate havingyou.
SPEAKER_03 (31:41):
Thank you, Dorsey.
I really enjoy uh speaking withyou.
And and I wish your listenersall the best and God bless.
SPEAKER_00 (31:50):
Thank you.
Well, guys and girls, thank youso much for coming on the show
today and for listening.
Please go and check out Jamie'sbook and uh please go and like
my website and my podcast aswell.
And until next time, God bless.
Bye bye.
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