July 23, 2025 • 37 mins
We dive into the remarkable story of Francis Ngannou, from his harrowing journey out of Cameroon to his controversial boxing match against Tyson Fury.
• Francis Ngannou worked in sand mines in Cameroon starting at just eight years old
• The sand mine work involved moving 15-25 pounds of dirt 600-1000 times daily, building natural strength from childhood
• At age 22, Ngannou decided to journey to France to pursue his boxing dreams
• His journey included a four-day truck ride through the Sahara Desert with temperatures ranging from 120° to 20°
• Entering Europe required climbing multiple 20-foot barbed wire fences or crossing on dangerous inflatable rafts
• It took multiple attempts and arrests before Ngannou successfully made it to France
• Despite his natural boxing talent, a French boxing gym directed him toward MMA instead
• Ngannou went on to develop the world record for the hardest punch according to Guinness
• His recent performance against Tyson Fury showed what might have been possible had he been developed as a boxer from the start
• Many boxing fans believe Ngannou was robbed of a victory in his bout with Fury
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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your host, ny Boom, and myco-host, big Daz.
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Well, yeah Well, I got a story, you know.
Checking it out, this actuallygot me in my attention when I'm
looking up the Francis and furyfight.
Oh, boxing.
I said you're, you know, yougot him say again Tyson Fury and
(00:59):
Francis Negano.
Yes, yep, yep.
And when I saw that fight, eventhough Tyson Fury won, tyson
Fury won because he just had theability and skill.
I don't agree with thatdecision, but it is what it is.
(01:23):
Before you go on, you'retelling you're, you're saying
that you, you, you're sayingthat Tyson Fury won because of
skill.
That's no, it was, uh, it wasdetermined because Francis
(01:43):
knocked him down.
Yeah, I think he won becausethey didn't want to take off.
They didn't want to give aboxing belt to someone who's not
in boxing, who's not from what?
He's not in boxing, who?
doesn't represent you know whatI'm saying, because that fight
(02:08):
was for the belt.
They're not going to give it toFrancis.
The Fury won touching Francis.
They were both touching and, tobe honest with you, his shots
were not really significant.
They didn't have any effect onhim.
I know, that's what I'm saying.
Like, his shots were not reallysignificant, they didn't have
(02:30):
any effect on me, I know.
I know that's why I say that'swhat I'm saying.
Like, again, the only way Icould see it as Tyson won is by
points.
And, to be honest with you, bro, I don't think because I saw
the fight too right, I don't,and I'm trying to remember it.
But what I remember about thefight is Tyson Fury did not show
(02:52):
that much more skills thanFrancis.
It was almost equal in a way.
Yes, tyson did show a littlebit more skills, but it wasn't
much more.
For someone whose first boxingmatch this was, tyson Fury
should have outclassed him.
(03:14):
It should have been a boxingclinic, yeah, and that's what
everyone was expecting andthat's not what we got.
And they were like the judgeswere like well, we can't give
this to Francis.
Francis only fought once.
We don't even know if he'sgoing to fight another boxer
again.
Let's keep it.
On Tyson, I agree, that's what Isaw too.
(03:36):
Yeah, and that's kind of what Iwas trying to say, because I
was saying that you know, Idon't agree with decision that
they made I did say that parttoo but Because I do think that
Francis should have won jury,was I mean that got beat, anyway
(04:00):
.
But I was looking up Francis,anyway, but I was looking up
Francis' story and this man'sstory is pretty fucking crazy.
Yeah, it should be a moviebecause this was what I saw.
(04:26):
What I saw was pretty, pretty,pretty like traumatizing, like
this dude is the legend in thiscountry.
Yeah, he definitely had a veryhard hard life you know, as
Americans, we talk about howdifficult it is for us, how hard
(04:46):
it is.
You need to.
You need to walk with francisand shoot it to understand yeah
yeah, this is a damn.
Yeah, exactly like I.
I just had to like, look thisup and figure it out, go ahead.
So, francis, francis, sorry,francis Neganu, well, I don't
(05:16):
even have his name.
Oh, here he is, francis Neganu,from Cameroon, cameroon, south
Africa.
Sell some incredible tobaccoleaves over there.
(05:36):
I didn't even know that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the onlyreason why I know, because I'm
a cigar guy too.
Nice, okay, anyways, over therethey start working as children
Like.
(05:56):
This dude worked in a sand mine,I think eight years old, I
think eight years old.
He had no, he had nothing forschool, he didn't have pencils
or paper, and he went to school.
(06:17):
Yeah, he went to school, hestarted school and he didn't
even have enough money to gethimself.
Because, uh, I guess in theculture is really different out
there over there, everybodyfends for themselves after a
certain age, and we're talkingabout like five.
(06:39):
Yeah, like once you could walkand grab stuff, you could fend
for yourself.
So, anyways, that's thetraditions out there, I guess I
don't know, not too sure, but Iguess that's how poor they were,
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that the kid had to work too.
And the kid works in a sandmine now.
Sand mine's, now sand mines area pretty brutal fucking job and
there's probably mad health codethat drives so crazy Violations
.
Yeah, first of all, you gotkids working there.
(07:23):
That's a violation right there.
Yeah, yes, I know, yeah, youdon't have to hold so they don't
give a shit.
So you know what I'm saying.
I mean, that's how, that,that's why, um, like, for
example, like when you buy umthese cell phones or these new
(07:45):
electric vehicles, and they havethis lithium battery.
That's what you're supporting.
You're supporting thesecountries that have that allow
young children to work in thesedisgusting environments, digging
dirt, sand, grass, whatevergravel, just to find this
(08:08):
fucking particle.
To make us Americans happen.
Yeah, yeah, it's really crazy.
You're pretty much nailed it onthe burn right there.
Like the jobs that they have tobe shame minded.
Moving the dirt.
Moving the dirt is, excuse me,moving the dirt is like that's a
(08:37):
forever job.
There's, there's no stoppingthat job, because these are
mountains of dirt that they'rejust a bunch of kids and just
grabbing shovels.
Kids ain't teenagers.
There's really no adults here.
There's a few of them, and oldpeople, parents, women, you know
(08:58):
, and everybody on this jobwould have a shovel and just
take as much as you can and moveit over, take as much as you
can and move it over andeventually you're going to move
that whole pile and we'retalking about maybe a year.
That's madness to me, butanyways, then you have the.
(09:25):
I guess they like clean therocks, the big rocks, and take
the dirt off of it.
That was another job.
That was pretty much all thejobs that they had, like two
jobs, oh, and the mud, the mudone.
There was some people workingin mud Trying to get the mud
(09:47):
Anything in the mud of it.
I guess, like cleaning it, yeah, so yeah.
Anyways, it was that's a crazyjob right there.
And he was one of the sandmovers, so he was one of the
sand movies, this.
So he was getting strong fromyoung.
You know you're doing, you'repicking up a shovel and moving
(10:12):
about.
I would say 20, maybe 25thousand out there, 15, 25
pounds of weight and you justtoss it in, maybe, in his case
(10:33):
you could probably say abouteasily from 600 to 1,000 times a
day.
You know that's strong, yeah,yeah, yeah.
Of course that's real strongright there, like you developing
core, wow, that's crazy andit's non-stop.
(10:57):
Non-stop.
That dude was sore for for aweek is a lifetime.
That's it, building naturalmuscle, natural muscle as a
child.
So right there, and this dude'slike what, how tall is he?
How tall is he Six, seven orsix, five?
(11:19):
He's pretty fucking tall, right, yeah, he's like six, five, six
, four.
Tyson Fury's six, seven, Ibelieve.
Right, yeah, he's like 6'5",6'4".
Tyson Fury's 6'7", I believe.
Right, yeah, I think.
So I'm not too sure.
He's slightly shorter, so Iwould say 6'5".
Yeah, yeah, because I know he'staller than me.
(11:42):
So that whole stunt in yourgrowth when you work out as a
kid, is that out the window?
It's a myth, yeah, it's a myth.
I don't even know why theywould lie like that.
That's crazy.
So anyway, as a child he'sworking there and he, his first
(12:14):
love was actually boxing.
Like out of fighting, heactually won.
He actually saw a Tyson fightfrom there.
He loved boxing.
So I guess he was working atthe sand mine age of 22.
(12:38):
At the age of 22, he decides toguys to go to Paris, france, and
this trip over there to get toParis.
She was in Paris where he went.
(13:11):
No, he went to France, france,france, yeah, he went to France.
Yo, that is.
This story is crazy.
So to get over there he had todrive through the desert.
(13:32):
Now, the drive through desert Ithink was I think he said was
like three mothers, my dog, afour day drive and they barely
stop and if you fall off you die, like there's no coming back to
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you.
They're not stopping, they'renot pulling over for you and
you're holding on to otherpeople the whole drive.
You know you're going to pisson yourself, you're going to
shit on yourself.
You're next to all these peopleand the fucking truck is packed
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Like there's no room.
Everybody's on top of eachother.
As a matter of fact, you'reholding on to these people
Because everybody's holding onfor dear life to not stop on the
ride.
So everybody in the middle,they good, but they they're
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gonna smell all the piss andshit through the whole ride.
The people outside the like, theperimeter I mean the top like
truck, the lip of the truck,because they're using it as a
chair.
They got to hold on for dearlife for four days while the car
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is driving, hitting every bump,going up, going down the hills,
they're taking a piss andshitting on people behind them.
They're shitting and pissing onpeople.
That's holding them for theirlife.
That's fucking mad to me.
And then, on top of that, theweather of the fucking he does
(15:34):
it in the daytime Fucking hot ashell, and nighttime is freezing
.
And the whole time you'redriving you may stop twice a day
just for, like, I guess theyhave to fill up the gas and
(15:54):
that's all.
They stop and for and that thatpit stop right.
There is your time to whatever,do whatever you gotta do, and
then you're back on the truck.
The driver might take a coffeebreak or a cigarette break.
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So that's mad.
And then someone passed usthrough the desert, because that
that's fucking mad to me.
I can imagine that sand justhitting them the whole ride
(16:39):
because they're probably doinglike 100 or 70 miles per hour
the whole ride.
Because they're probably doinglike 100 or 70 miles per hour
the whole time.
Yeah, I may think like 120, notnothing, they're not driving
that fast, but definitely 70, 70to 80 miles per hour they're
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probably hitting.
And that's I can imagine thosepeople sore as fuck when they
come back, when they get offthat truck.
4 days, holding on for 4 days,yeah, that's pretty tough.
That's pretty tough.
(17:25):
What the hell fucking Yo, thegrip that they fucking build Yo.
So from there you get, he hasto, he has to get the goal to
(17:46):
get the friend happy, passes thetest, he drives up, drives up
the north shit, I didn't evenknow it goes from.
I'm sorry for bringing thisback.
The day and night thing.
The weather in the, in the, inthe desert, is, I have yo.
(18:12):
It ranges.
It goes as high as 120 and aslow as 20 degrees.
That's fucking, that's mad yo.
The the sahara doesn't.
It's crazy.
Yes, the sahara doesn't, butthey, he drove through the
sahara, sahara, yeah, yeah, yeah.
(18:34):
And that's another thing.
Like All I kinda All they hadto Take, all they really took,
all he took Was his clothes Onhis back and a bottle of water,
(18:56):
and that's pretty much All hehad Shit.
This is so.
And people had Very littlethings.
That's pretty much all he hadShit.
This is so.
And people had very littlethings.
Because you can't have too muchstuff in the truck.
There's no space.
Everybody wanted to get thespace out of there, so.
(19:22):
So he gets up out of the desertand to get into France At this
point he has to get over a fence.
You know he has two options.
You either go up the the fence,jump over the fence, which is
(19:44):
not one fence, actually a shimof a country.
I Think it's like four or fivetimes Hello.
Or you take the water out andthe water is going taking and
the water is going taking.
I'm going to explain the waterone first, because the water is
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crazy, but the fence to me isanyways, the water to get over,
to get around on the water.
They take a big ass raft likeair raft.
It's filled up with air.
Yeah, it's an air raft, it'sfilled up with air.
Yeah, it's an air raft.
Yeah, and it holds at least 30people.
(20:29):
This is a big ass air likeballoon.
That's all it is, that's what itlooks like ships have that for,
like, in case the ship goesdown.
They use that as a safety thing, but that's not something that
they rely on.
You know what I'm saying?
It's not it's just to get themout so they don't drown, but
(20:53):
it's not something that you wantto travel with.
Yeah, so this is what they'regoing on with, and it takes them
about two days to get overthere, and so because they have
to do it, like, at a certainroute, so they don't get seen or
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anything, and then once they doland, they got to run in
because they're getting chasedby cops.
The cops are seeing.
They already see them there atthat point.
Yeah, it's kind of borderpatrol here with the Mexicans.
Yeah, that was crazy.
(21:33):
So the fence, now the fence.
The fence is crazy because thefence has, I think, one, two,
three, a drop, four.
Okay, so the fence first off islike 20 feet tall, except for
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the last one, which is like 30to 40 feet tall because there's
a drop before you hit it.
And all of these fences havebarbed wires on them on, either
on the top or the bottom, andsome of them have the barbed
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wires that are on, like they'reon the different barbed wires.
You got the loop barbed wiresand you have the, the barbed
wires with the, with the metalrod holding them together,
holding them to separate them inthe three lines.
I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah,that's the best way I can
(22:40):
explain it.
So he has to Climb over eachone of them.
Now, the way they do this Isthat they all bum rush it,
everybody Bum rushes the fenceand Hopefully you get over in
time Before the cops catch you,because the cops, they, they go
(23:05):
through a frenzy like justsnagging people up.
Yeah, so these things are likecrazy because yo to climb a
24-day, crazy because yo toclimb a 24 gate, like that's
(23:33):
what is that?
Like damn near two stories,like a story and a half,
probably, yeah, and they'regetting shot by sandbags too.
Oh, nice, cause the cops areshooting with sandbags and
you're talking about like riotunit unit.
Like these cops are shieldedturtle, they're turtled up, they
got the, the shield and theythey running at these niggas
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hitting them.
Yeah, jesus, so, and not thenine.
He actually failed.
He didn't get over, so his likeseventh time.
So he did it seven times.
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Yeah, I believe that was thenumber.
I didn't get enough time to getit, but I believe I know he got
caught.
He definitely didn't a lot, hedid like five or seven it's in
that range Because he gotarrested that many times and he
got caught.
(24:39):
But he also tried the raft too.
I think he got caught.
So, but he also tried the rafttoo.
So I think he got caught onthat one also gotcha.
But then he finally made it,finally made it and he got into
boxing.
He went to a boxing gym.
He wanted to get into boxing.
(25:01):
He got into a boxing gym.
He wanted to get into boxing.
He got into a boxing gym,trained.
He was doing boxing training,but they told him that MMA was
his opening yeah, I wonder, Huh,I wonder why they told him MMA.
To be honest with you, he shouldhave been in boxing.
Yeah, I think so too.
(25:24):
But the dudes are all around.
He's a monster.
He's chucking fucking fans atunder 10 years old bro.
Yeah, that dude's a beast.
Yeah, he is.
But yeah, so that's how he gothis career started.
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That's where he started hiscareer.
That was the origin of hiscareer in MMA.
He was in the boxing gym.
He got pretty nice in theboxing gym but they told him his
opening is in MMA and then hejust started MMA, started
kicking ass.
That dude's probably stoned,bro.
(26:13):
I'm going to tell you right now, that boxing gym probably is
slapping themselves fuckingsilly because if they knew the
potential of this guy probablyis slapping themselves fucking
silly because if they knew thepotential of this guy boxing,
they probably would have kepthim and he would have helped
grow that boxing.
It's just that he couldn't gethim in.
(26:34):
Yeah, I mean, I don't thinkit's that difficult to get
someone in the boxing.
You know what I'm saying?
I don't know, I don't know.
Let me tell you something.
Francis Ngannou is known forhaving a world record hardest
punch.
How the hell do you not havethat as a boxer?
(26:57):
Yeah, you know what I'm sayingthe hardest punch, world record,
guinness hardest punch worldrecord, guinness, guinness world
record For having the hardestpunch.
And you send this motherfuckerto MMA.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, I ain't.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
He's not saying he didn't have a good career in MMA
.
He had a great career in MMA.
He wasn't really an MMA fighterBecause he wasn't a grapp.
He had a great career in MMA.
He wasn't really an MMA fighterbecause he wasn't a grappler.
He wasn't a jiu-jitsu, hewasn't a wrestler, he was more
of a puncher.
He knocked people out.
He was stupid enough to standwith him.
He can't stand with thatmotherfucker.
You know what I'm saying.
You're going to wake up notknowing what just happened.
(27:38):
You know what I'm saying.
So, but I think, I think hewould have had a better career
in boxing, boxing, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Especially then.
Then now you know what I'msaying it would have been way
better.
I agree it could have beenworse, but the the issue that
was that he needed money.
Yes, that's what it was.
He needed money and theyprobably just wanted to send him
away stuff like that.
(28:08):
I don't know.
I know right now Fox and Jimwas like fucking slapping
themselves because they couldhave had Francis Negani.
Yeah, I mean they probably dothat.
Nah, that motherfucker Nevergoing there.
I don't know, I don't knowabout that, I don't know
(28:28):
anything there.
But I'll tell you this when hetrained for Tyson Fury Actually,
when he was training For MMA,right he trained in the
performance institute A lot.
When he trained for Tyson FuryActually, when he was training
for MMA, right yeah, he trainedin the Performance Institute a
lot.
That's the UFC's camp in LasVegas.
(28:50):
They have their own trainingcamp facility.
It's open to any of thefighters who want to go there
and study and do that.
That's where he went.
He went to the PerformanceInstitute to learn MMA, right,
to get affluent for MMA.
When he, he took this TysonFury fight, right?
Guess who trained him?
(29:10):
Mike Tyson Exactly.
Now, they did not go to thatfucking camp in France because
that camp in France fucked himover by sending him to another
thing that I mean, even thoughhe was successful in it, he
could have been way moresuccessful in boxing.
So, guess what?
(29:32):
He's never going back there,and that place is never even
mentioned in any other articles.
Did they tell you the name ofthat boxing camp?
When you, when you look, thisinformation up?
yeah, I think they did, becauseI tell you right now, whenever I
(29:56):
see Francis Ngannou In aninterview, he definitely gives
Performance Institute a shoutout.
He doesn't give anything else.
He doesn't talk about anybodyAny other thing.
I've never heard him mentionanything about boxing.
Okay, I don't know.
Talk about anybody any otherthing.
I've never heard him mentionanything about boxing.
Okay, I don't know.
Yeah, you might be right,because I don't even have it.
(30:17):
Yeah, so I'm just saying I'mjust bringing it up because that
camp fucked up on that.
They missed on, they missed outon real dollar signs because
they weren't getting dollarsigns at the time.
Yeah, so go on, go on.
(30:41):
Well, I mean that's when hejust started getting into MMA.
He had a couple of fights andhe had a couple of career fights
.
He had a couple of losses.
I think he had like two lossesor something.
Yeah, he didn't have that many.
I mean those losses were biglosses.
(31:03):
I mean I think one of thelosses, actually, I think both
those losses he lost bywrestling, grappling.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, Noling.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah.
And that was his weakness wasthe grappling.
I mean, the guy is a naturalboxer, he's not a natural MMA
guy.
So I'm just flabbergasted thatthat boxing gym didn't see the
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potential, because I know, Imean, if he has a world record
now, I know back then he punchedfucking hard too.
You know what I'm saying?
Not world record, but he stillpunched hard.
How do you not see, you knowthe talent, the talent here, and
not imagine that if I trainthis guy and show him skills and
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he implements that talent withthe skills I'm teaching him how
incredible this guy's going tobe, how special he could be.
I don't know how that boxinggym did not fucking see that.
Yeah, like like the old Tysontrainer I forget his name, sorry
(32:18):
, I apologize the older whiteguy.
I wish I knew that would trainMike Tyson, the old man, what's
his name?
Yeah, I don't remember it rightnow, but that guy see, my point
is that guy, he saw somethingin Tyson.
(32:38):
You know what I'm saying.
Even the guy who brought Tysonto that man saw something in
Tyson.
You know what I'm saying.
They saw something in Tyson andthey were like yo, I'm going to
take his talent, I'm going todevelop his skill set, I'm going
to develop his skill set andwe're going to his talent with
(32:58):
my skill set.
That I'm teaching him and I'mgoing to make him special.
And the same thing even withGeorge Foreman.
If you look at, if you see theGeorge Foreman movie that just
came out, that came out not toolong ago, right, the George
Foreman movie that just came out, that came out not too long ago
, right?
Even that, even in that movie,the guy sees something,
something he sees a skill, Imean a talent.
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The guy has no skills, but hesees a talent in him and talent
is something that he has, right.
So I'm going to send himsomewhere so someone can build
him his skills.
And if he adds this skill,skill, with this talent, he
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could probably be special.
How the fuck does that boxinggym not see the same shit, all
these incredible famous trainerswho created these incredible
famous world heavyweight fuckingchampions not see that in
Francis, when Francis had thesame or similar fucking talent
(33:59):
as all of those motherfuckers?
How, how, how?
You know what I'm saying, how,how I'll take a valid point.
Yeah, it's like fuck thatboxing gym, fuck that boxing gym
.
All right, like for real.
Fuck that boxing gym for notfucking seeing Francis' fucking
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talent and adding his skill setto his fucking talent and we
could all be fucking flourishingand Francis Nagano being an
incredible fucking boxer.
Right now, when we need fuckingincredible boxers and boxers.
You're right, fuck that gym.
(34:44):
Especially a heavyweight, agood heavyweight For real.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm not going to take anythingaway from Tyson Fury.
He's a good heavyweight, a goodheavyweight For real.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I'm not gonna takeanything away from Tyson Fury.
He's a good heavyweight, buthe's not A real fucking.
Like a real fucking heavyweight.
Like, like he doesn't fight.
Like a real fucking heavyweight.
He's not laying motherfuckersout.
(35:05):
You know what I'm saying?
Like real heavyweight, yeah, sono.
Fuck that gym.
Fuck that boxing gym, bro.
Real heavyweight, yeah.
So no, fuck that gym, fuck thatboxing gym, bro.
I mean, that's it pretty muchit, because then he becomes a
boxer and finally got the titlefight.
Damn near I think he won it,but, you know, lost by decision.
(35:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but here'sthe thing right.
You know it was my decision.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but here'sthe thing right.
How many years do you thinkwe're going to see this guy box?
I mean that dude is like he'sover 40.
Oh really I think so, or he'sclose to 40.
He's old, he's an older guy,much older, much, really older.
(35:50):
You know what I'm saying?
How many more years are wegoing to see of this guy?
And then, even if we do see acouple of years, he's not going
to develop a really good skillset to like five, six, maybe
even seven years from now.
So by then he's done, he'sretired.
His body's not going to be ableto keep up that shitty-ass
(36:14):
boxing gym in fucking Francefucked us over from seeing an
incredible boxer in fuckingheavyweight division, because
now it's too fucking crazy,francis.
That's why Boomer's reallyhating that Frans gym.
(36:34):
No, for real, bro.
That Frans boxing gym is an SMDand you know what that means
Suck many dicks.
The boomstick spoke yeah, okay.
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Well, yeah Well, I got a story, you know.
Checking it out, this actuallygot me in my attention when I'm
looking up the Francis and furyfight.
Oh, boxing.
I said you're, you know, yougot him say again Tyson Fury and
(00:59):
Francis Negano.
Yes, yep, yep.
And when I saw that fight, eventhough Tyson Fury won, tyson
Fury won because he just had theability and skill.
I don't agree with thatdecision, but it is what it is.
(01:23):
Before you go on, you'retelling you're, you're saying
that you, you, you're sayingthat Tyson Fury won because of
skill.
That's no, it was, uh, it wasdetermined because Francis
(01:43):
knocked him down.
Yeah, I think he won becausethey didn't want to take off.
They didn't want to give aboxing belt to someone who's not
in boxing, who's not from what?
He's not in boxing, who?
doesn't represent you know whatI'm saying, because that fight
(02:08):
was for the belt.
They're not going to give it toFrancis.
The Fury won touching Francis.
They were both touching and, tobe honest with you, his shots
were not really significant.
They didn't have any effect onhim.
I know, that's what I'm saying.
Like, his shots were not reallysignificant, they didn't have
(02:30):
any effect on me, I know.
I know that's why I say that'swhat I'm saying.
Like, again, the only way Icould see it as Tyson won is by
points.
And, to be honest with you, bro, I don't think because I saw
the fight too right, I don't,and I'm trying to remember it.
But what I remember about thefight is Tyson Fury did not show
(02:52):
that much more skills thanFrancis.
It was almost equal in a way.
Yes, tyson did show a littlebit more skills, but it wasn't
much more.
For someone whose first boxingmatch this was, tyson Fury
should have outclassed him.
(03:14):
It should have been a boxingclinic, yeah, and that's what
everyone was expecting andthat's not what we got.
And they were like the judgeswere like well, we can't give
this to Francis.
Francis only fought once.
We don't even know if he'sgoing to fight another boxer
again.
Let's keep it.
On Tyson, I agree, that's what Isaw too.
(03:36):
Yeah, and that's kind of what Iwas trying to say, because I
was saying that you know, Idon't agree with decision that
they made I did say that parttoo but Because I do think that
Francis should have won jury,was I mean that got beat, anyway
(04:00):
.
But I was looking up Francis,anyway, but I was looking up
Francis' story and this man'sstory is pretty fucking crazy.
Yeah, it should be a moviebecause this was what I saw.
(04:26):
What I saw was pretty, pretty,pretty like traumatizing, like
this dude is the legend in thiscountry.
Yeah, he definitely had a veryhard hard life you know, as
Americans, we talk about howdifficult it is for us, how hard
(04:46):
it is.
You need to.
You need to walk with francisand shoot it to understand yeah
yeah, this is a damn.
Yeah, exactly like I.
I just had to like, look thisup and figure it out, go ahead.
So, francis, francis, sorry,francis Neganu, well, I don't
(05:16):
even have his name.
Oh, here he is, francis Neganu,from Cameroon, cameroon, south
Africa.
Sell some incredible tobaccoleaves over there.
(05:36):
I didn't even know that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the onlyreason why I know, because I'm
a cigar guy too.
Nice, okay, anyways, over therethey start working as children
Like.
(05:56):
This dude worked in a sand mine,I think eight years old, I
think eight years old.
He had no, he had nothing forschool, he didn't have pencils
or paper, and he went to school.
(06:17):
Yeah, he went to school, hestarted school and he didn't
even have enough money to gethimself.
Because, uh, I guess in theculture is really different out
there over there, everybodyfends for themselves after a
certain age, and we're talkingabout like five.
(06:39):
Yeah, like once you could walkand grab stuff, you could fend
for yourself.
So, anyways, that's thetraditions out there, I guess I
don't know, not too sure, but Iguess that's how poor they were,
(07:00):
that the kid had to work too.
And the kid works in a sandmine now.
Sand mine's, now sand mines area pretty brutal fucking job and
there's probably mad health codethat drives so crazy Violations
.
Yeah, first of all, you gotkids working there.
(07:23):
That's a violation right there.
Yeah, yes, I know, yeah, youdon't have to hold so they don't
give a shit.
So you know what I'm saying.
I mean, that's how, that,that's why, um, like, for
example, like when you buy umthese cell phones or these new
(07:45):
electric vehicles, and they havethis lithium battery.
That's what you're supporting.
You're supporting thesecountries that have that allow
young children to work in thesedisgusting environments, digging
dirt, sand, grass, whatevergravel, just to find this
(08:08):
fucking particle.
To make us Americans happen.
Yeah, yeah, it's really crazy.
You're pretty much nailed it onthe burn right there.
Like the jobs that they have tobe shame minded.
Moving the dirt.
Moving the dirt is, excuse me,moving the dirt is like that's a
(08:37):
forever job.
There's, there's no stoppingthat job, because these are
mountains of dirt that they'rejust a bunch of kids and just
grabbing shovels.
Kids ain't teenagers.
There's really no adults here.
There's a few of them, and oldpeople, parents, women, you know
(08:58):
, and everybody on this jobwould have a shovel and just
take as much as you can and moveit over, take as much as you
can and move it over andeventually you're going to move
that whole pile and we'retalking about maybe a year.
That's madness to me, butanyways, then you have the.
(09:25):
I guess they like clean therocks, the big rocks, and take
the dirt off of it.
That was another job.
That was pretty much all thejobs that they had, like two
jobs, oh, and the mud, the mudone.
There was some people workingin mud Trying to get the mud
(09:47):
Anything in the mud of it.
I guess, like cleaning it, yeah, so yeah.
Anyways, it was that's a crazyjob right there.
And he was one of the sandmovers, so he was one of the
sand movies, this.
So he was getting strong fromyoung.
You know you're doing, you'repicking up a shovel and moving
(10:12):
about.
I would say 20, maybe 25thousand out there, 15, 25
pounds of weight and you justtoss it in, maybe, in his case
(10:33):
you could probably say abouteasily from 600 to 1,000 times a
day.
You know that's strong, yeah,yeah, yeah.
Of course that's real strongright there, like you developing
core, wow, that's crazy andit's non-stop.
(10:57):
Non-stop.
That dude was sore for for aweek is a lifetime.
That's it, building naturalmuscle, natural muscle as a
child.
So right there, and this dude'slike what, how tall is he?
How tall is he Six, seven orsix, five?
(11:19):
He's pretty fucking tall, right, yeah, he's like six, five, six
, four.
Tyson Fury's six, seven, Ibelieve.
Right, yeah, he's like 6'5",6'4".
Tyson Fury's 6'7", I believe.
Right, yeah, I think.
So I'm not too sure.
He's slightly shorter, so Iwould say 6'5".
Yeah, yeah, because I know he'staller than me.
(11:42):
So that whole stunt in yourgrowth when you work out as a
kid, is that out the window?
It's a myth, yeah, it's a myth.
I don't even know why theywould lie like that.
That's crazy.
So anyway, as a child he'sworking there and he, his first
(12:14):
love was actually boxing.
Like out of fighting, heactually won.
He actually saw a Tyson fightfrom there.
He loved boxing.
So I guess he was working atthe sand mine age of 22.
(12:38):
At the age of 22, he decides toguys to go to Paris, france, and
this trip over there to get toParis.
She was in Paris where he went.
(13:11):
No, he went to France, france,france, yeah, he went to France.
Yo, that is.
This story is crazy.
So to get over there he had todrive through the desert.
(13:32):
Now, the drive through desert Ithink was I think he said was
like three mothers, my dog, afour day drive and they barely
stop and if you fall off you die, like there's no coming back to
(13:56):
you.
They're not stopping, they'renot pulling over for you and
you're holding on to otherpeople the whole drive.
You know you're going to pisson yourself, you're going to
shit on yourself.
You're next to all these peopleand the fucking truck is packed
(14:22):
Like there's no room.
Everybody's on top of eachother.
As a matter of fact, you'reholding on to these people
Because everybody's holding onfor dear life to not stop on the
ride.
So everybody in the middle,they good, but they they're
(14:47):
gonna smell all the piss andshit through the whole ride.
The people outside the like, theperimeter I mean the top like
truck, the lip of the truck,because they're using it as a
chair.
They got to hold on for dearlife for four days while the car
(15:09):
is driving, hitting every bump,going up, going down the hills,
they're taking a piss andshitting on people behind them.
They're shitting and pissing onpeople.
That's holding them for theirlife.
That's fucking mad to me.
And then, on top of that, theweather of the fucking he does
(15:34):
it in the daytime Fucking hot ashell, and nighttime is freezing
.
And the whole time you'redriving you may stop twice a day
just for, like, I guess theyhave to fill up the gas and
(15:54):
that's all.
They stop and for and that thatpit stop right.
There is your time to whatever,do whatever you gotta do, and
then you're back on the truck.
The driver might take a coffeebreak or a cigarette break.
(16:18):
So that's mad.
And then someone passed usthrough the desert, because that
that's fucking mad to me.
I can imagine that sand justhitting them the whole ride
(16:39):
because they're probably doinglike 100 or 70 miles per hour
the whole ride.
Because they're probably doinglike 100 or 70 miles per hour
the whole time.
Yeah, I may think like 120, notnothing, they're not driving
that fast, but definitely 70, 70to 80 miles per hour they're
(17:00):
probably hitting.
And that's I can imagine thosepeople sore as fuck when they
come back, when they get offthat truck.
4 days, holding on for 4 days,yeah, that's pretty tough.
That's pretty tough.
(17:25):
What the hell fucking Yo, thegrip that they fucking build Yo.
So from there you get, he hasto, he has to get the goal to
(17:46):
get the friend happy, passes thetest, he drives up, drives up
the north shit, I didn't evenknow it goes from.
I'm sorry for bringing thisback.
The day and night thing.
The weather in the, in the, inthe desert, is, I have yo.
(18:12):
It ranges.
It goes as high as 120 and aslow as 20 degrees.
That's fucking, that's mad yo.
The the sahara doesn't.
It's crazy.
Yes, the sahara doesn't, butthey, he drove through the
sahara, sahara, yeah, yeah, yeah.
(18:34):
And that's another thing.
Like All I kinda All they hadto Take, all they really took,
all he took Was his clothes Onhis back and a bottle of water,
(18:56):
and that's pretty much All hehad Shit.
This is so.
And people had Very littlethings.
That's pretty much all he hadShit.
This is so.
And people had very littlethings.
Because you can't have too muchstuff in the truck.
There's no space.
Everybody wanted to get thespace out of there, so.
(19:22):
So he gets up out of the desertand to get into France At this
point he has to get over a fence.
You know he has two options.
You either go up the the fence,jump over the fence, which is
(19:44):
not one fence, actually a shimof a country.
I Think it's like four or fivetimes Hello.
Or you take the water out andthe water is going taking and
the water is going taking.
I'm going to explain the waterone first, because the water is
(20:05):
crazy, but the fence to me isanyways, the water to get over,
to get around on the water.
They take a big ass raft likeair raft.
It's filled up with air.
Yeah, it's an air raft, it'sfilled up with air.
Yeah, it's an air raft.
Yeah, and it holds at least 30people.
(20:29):
This is a big ass air likeballoon.
That's all it is, that's what itlooks like ships have that for,
like, in case the ship goesdown.
They use that as a safety thing, but that's not something that
they rely on.
You know what I'm saying?
It's not it's just to get themout so they don't drown, but
(20:53):
it's not something that you wantto travel with.
Yeah, so this is what they'regoing on with, and it takes them
about two days to get overthere, and so because they have
to do it, like, at a certainroute, so they don't get seen or
(21:13):
anything, and then once they doland, they got to run in
because they're getting chasedby cops.
The cops are seeing.
They already see them there atthat point.
Yeah, it's kind of borderpatrol here with the Mexicans.
Yeah, that was crazy.
(21:33):
So the fence, now the fence.
The fence is crazy because thefence has, I think, one, two,
three, a drop, four.
Okay, so the fence first off islike 20 feet tall, except for
(21:56):
the last one, which is like 30to 40 feet tall because there's
a drop before you hit it.
And all of these fences havebarbed wires on them on, either
on the top or the bottom, andsome of them have the barbed
(22:16):
wires that are on, like they'reon the different barbed wires.
You got the loop barbed wiresand you have the, the barbed
wires with the, with the metalrod holding them together,
holding them to separate them inthe three lines.
I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah,that's the best way I can
(22:40):
explain it.
So he has to Climb over eachone of them.
Now, the way they do this Isthat they all bum rush it,
everybody Bum rushes the fenceand Hopefully you get over in
time Before the cops catch you,because the cops, they, they go
(23:05):
through a frenzy like justsnagging people up.
Yeah, so these things are likecrazy because yo to climb a
24-day, crazy because yo toclimb a 24 gate, like that's
(23:33):
what is that?
Like damn near two stories,like a story and a half,
probably, yeah, and they'regetting shot by sandbags too.
Oh, nice, cause the cops areshooting with sandbags and
you're talking about like riotunit unit.
Like these cops are shieldedturtle, they're turtled up, they
got the, the shield and theythey running at these niggas
(23:58):
hitting them.
Yeah, jesus, so, and not thenine.
He actually failed.
He didn't get over, so his likeseventh time.
So he did it seven times.
(24:19):
Yeah, I believe that was thenumber.
I didn't get enough time to getit, but I believe I know he got
caught.
He definitely didn't a lot, hedid like five or seven it's in
that range Because he gotarrested that many times and he
got caught.
(24:39):
But he also tried the raft too.
I think he got caught.
So, but he also tried the rafttoo.
So I think he got caught onthat one also gotcha.
But then he finally made it,finally made it and he got into
boxing.
He went to a boxing gym.
He wanted to get into boxing.
(25:01):
He got into a boxing gym.
He wanted to get into boxing.
He got into a boxing gym,trained.
He was doing boxing training,but they told him that MMA was
his opening yeah, I wonder, Huh,I wonder why they told him MMA.
To be honest with you, he shouldhave been in boxing.
Yeah, I think so too.
(25:24):
But the dudes are all around.
He's a monster.
He's chucking fucking fans atunder 10 years old bro.
Yeah, that dude's a beast.
Yeah, he is.
But yeah, so that's how he gothis career started.
(25:50):
That's where he started hiscareer.
That was the origin of hiscareer in MMA.
He was in the boxing gym.
He got pretty nice in theboxing gym but they told him his
opening is in MMA and then hejust started MMA, started
kicking ass.
That dude's probably stoned,bro.
(26:13):
I'm going to tell you right now, that boxing gym probably is
slapping themselves fuckingsilly because if they knew the
potential of this guy probablyis slapping themselves fucking
silly because if they knew thepotential of this guy boxing,
they probably would have kepthim and he would have helped
grow that boxing.
It's just that he couldn't gethim in.
(26:34):
Yeah, I mean, I don't thinkit's that difficult to get
someone in the boxing.
You know what I'm saying?
I don't know, I don't know.
Let me tell you something.
Francis Ngannou is known forhaving a world record hardest
punch.
How the hell do you not havethat as a boxer?
(26:57):
Yeah, you know what I'm sayingthe hardest punch, world record,
guinness hardest punch worldrecord, guinness, guinness world
record For having the hardestpunch.
And you send this motherfuckerto MMA.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, I ain't.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
He's not saying he didn't have a good career in MMA
.
He had a great career in MMA.
He wasn't really an MMA fighterBecause he wasn't a grapp.
He had a great career in MMA.
He wasn't really an MMA fighterbecause he wasn't a grappler.
He wasn't a jiu-jitsu, hewasn't a wrestler, he was more
of a puncher.
He knocked people out.
He was stupid enough to standwith him.
He can't stand with thatmotherfucker.
You know what I'm saying.
You're going to wake up notknowing what just happened.
(27:38):
You know what I'm saying.
So, but I think, I think hewould have had a better career
in boxing, boxing, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Especially then.
Then now you know what I'msaying it would have been way
better.
I agree it could have beenworse, but the the issue that
was that he needed money.
Yes, that's what it was.
He needed money and theyprobably just wanted to send him
away stuff like that.
(28:08):
I don't know.
I know right now Fox and Jimwas like fucking slapping
themselves because they couldhave had Francis Negani.
Yeah, I mean they probably dothat.
Nah, that motherfucker Nevergoing there.
I don't know, I don't knowabout that, I don't know
(28:28):
anything there.
But I'll tell you this when hetrained for Tyson Fury Actually,
when he was training For MMA,right he trained in the
performance institute A lot.
When he trained for Tyson FuryActually, when he was training
for MMA, right yeah, he trainedin the Performance Institute a
lot.
That's the UFC's camp in LasVegas.
(28:50):
They have their own trainingcamp facility.
It's open to any of thefighters who want to go there
and study and do that.
That's where he went.
He went to the PerformanceInstitute to learn MMA, right,
to get affluent for MMA.
When he, he took this TysonFury fight, right?
Guess who trained him?
(29:10):
Mike Tyson Exactly.
Now, they did not go to thatfucking camp in France because
that camp in France fucked himover by sending him to another
thing that I mean, even thoughhe was successful in it, he
could have been way moresuccessful in boxing.
So, guess what?
(29:32):
He's never going back there,and that place is never even
mentioned in any other articles.
Did they tell you the name ofthat boxing camp?
When you, when you look, thisinformation up?
yeah, I think they did, becauseI tell you right now, whenever I
(29:56):
see Francis Ngannou In aninterview, he definitely gives
Performance Institute a shoutout.
He doesn't give anything else.
He doesn't talk about anybodyAny other thing.
I've never heard him mentionanything about boxing.
Okay, I don't know.
Talk about anybody any otherthing.
I've never heard him mentionanything about boxing.
Okay, I don't know.
Yeah, you might be right,because I don't even have it.
(30:17):
Yeah, so I'm just saying I'mjust bringing it up because that
camp fucked up on that.
They missed on, they missed outon real dollar signs because
they weren't getting dollarsigns at the time.
Yeah, so go on, go on.
(30:41):
Well, I mean that's when hejust started getting into MMA.
He had a couple of fights andhe had a couple of career fights
.
He had a couple of losses.
I think he had like two lossesor something.
Yeah, he didn't have that many.
I mean those losses were biglosses.
(31:03):
I mean I think one of thelosses, actually, I think both
those losses he lost bywrestling, grappling.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, Noling.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah.
And that was his weakness wasthe grappling.
I mean, the guy is a naturalboxer, he's not a natural MMA
guy.
So I'm just flabbergasted thatthat boxing gym didn't see the
(31:35):
potential, because I know, Imean, if he has a world record
now, I know back then he punchedfucking hard too.
You know what I'm saying?
Not world record, but he stillpunched hard.
How do you not see, you knowthe talent, the talent here, and
not imagine that if I trainthis guy and show him skills and
(31:56):
he implements that talent withthe skills I'm teaching him how
incredible this guy's going tobe, how special he could be.
I don't know how that boxinggym did not fucking see that.
Yeah, like like the old Tysontrainer I forget his name, sorry
(32:18):
, I apologize the older whiteguy.
I wish I knew that would trainMike Tyson, the old man, what's
his name?
Yeah, I don't remember it rightnow, but that guy see, my point
is that guy, he saw somethingin Tyson.
(32:38):
You know what I'm saying.
Even the guy who brought Tysonto that man saw something in
Tyson.
You know what I'm saying.
They saw something in Tyson andthey were like yo, I'm going to
take his talent, I'm going todevelop his skill set, I'm going
to develop his skill set andwe're going to his talent with
(32:58):
my skill set.
That I'm teaching him and I'mgoing to make him special.
And the same thing even withGeorge Foreman.
If you look at, if you see theGeorge Foreman movie that just
came out, that came out not toolong ago, right, the George
Foreman movie that just came out, that came out not too long ago
, right?
Even that, even in that movie,the guy sees something,
something he sees a skill, Imean a talent.
(33:18):
The guy has no skills, but hesees a talent in him and talent
is something that he has, right.
So I'm going to send himsomewhere so someone can build
him his skills.
And if he adds this skill,skill, with this talent, he
(33:38):
could probably be special.
How the fuck does that boxinggym not see the same shit, all
these incredible famous trainerswho created these incredible
famous world heavyweight fuckingchampions not see that in
Francis, when Francis had thesame or similar fucking talent
(33:59):
as all of those motherfuckers?
How, how, how?
You know what I'm saying, how,how I'll take a valid point.
Yeah, it's like fuck thatboxing gym, fuck that boxing gym
.
All right, like for real.
Fuck that boxing gym for notfucking seeing Francis' fucking
(34:21):
talent and adding his skill setto his fucking talent and we
could all be fucking flourishingand Francis Nagano being an
incredible fucking boxer.
Right now, when we need fuckingincredible boxers and boxers.
You're right, fuck that gym.
(34:44):
Especially a heavyweight, agood heavyweight For real.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm not going to take anythingaway from Tyson Fury.
He's a good heavyweight, a goodheavyweight For real.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I'm not gonna takeanything away from Tyson Fury.
He's a good heavyweight, buthe's not A real fucking.
Like a real fucking heavyweight.
Like, like he doesn't fight.
Like a real fucking heavyweight.
He's not laying motherfuckersout.
(35:05):
You know what I'm saying?
Like real heavyweight, yeah, sono.
Fuck that gym.
Fuck that boxing gym, bro.
Real heavyweight, yeah.
So no, fuck that gym, fuck thatboxing gym, bro.
I mean, that's it pretty muchit, because then he becomes a
boxer and finally got the titlefight.
Damn near I think he won it,but, you know, lost by decision.
(35:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but here'sthe thing right.
You know it was my decision.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but here'sthe thing right.
How many years do you thinkwe're going to see this guy box?
I mean that dude is like he'sover 40.
Oh really I think so, or he'sclose to 40.
He's old, he's an older guy,much older, much, really older.
(35:50):
You know what I'm saying?
How many more years are wegoing to see of this guy?
And then, even if we do see acouple of years, he's not going
to develop a really good skillset to like five, six, maybe
even seven years from now.
So by then he's done, he'sretired.
His body's not going to be ableto keep up that shitty-ass
(36:14):
boxing gym in fucking Francefucked us over from seeing an
incredible boxer in fuckingheavyweight division, because
now it's too fucking crazy,francis.
That's why Boomer's reallyhating that Frans gym.
(36:34):
No, for real, bro.
That Frans boxing gym is an SMDand you know what that means
Suck many dicks.
The boomstick spoke yeah, okay.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
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