March 2, 2023 • 18 mins
A "grind mentality" can be positive if its the mindset of working hard, consistently, and persevering through obstacles and setbacks. This can be a positive approach to content creation if it drives you to produce high-quality and engaging content on a regular basis.
However, if you adopt a "grind mentality" that prioritizes quantity over quality, or if you become so focused on consistently producing content that you burn out or neglect other aspects of your life, it can have negative consequences. It's important to maintain a healthy balance and not let your content creation goals consume you.
In general, it's better to focus on creating meaningful and valuable content that your audience will appreciate, rather than just churning out a high volume of content for the sake of it. Your audience is more likely to engage with and return to your content if they perceive it as high-quality and enjoyable, rather than just a grind.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Most people out there want the prize, but they
don't want the process.
So that's something that I hopeour listeners can take home and
think through tonight.
SPEAKER_01 (00:10):
Welcome to Down the Rabbit Hole, a podcast for
creators, where we stream liveevery Wednesday, 8 p.m.
on Twitter Spaces.
Yeah, I've I've heard that uhfar too often where people have
said that to me, that they theyrespect the grind, they expect
that they respect the work thatuh I put in.
I often tell them, well, don'ttry to do what I'm doing.
(00:31):
Because what tolerance level Ihave for the amount of work that
I put in is not necessarily thetolerance level that you have to
put the work in.
The things that I sacrifice toget done what I do are not
necessarily things that youshould sacrifice to get done
what you want to see.
While I appreciate thesentiment, and you should also
(00:53):
appreciate the sentiment ifpeople say it to you, you need
to caution them that again, thisis a very individual thing, and
what works for some people isnot going to work for another
person.
And when you're saying that tosomeone, you're basically, I
feel like the person is sayingto themselves, Wow, that person
is really pushing a lot harderthan me.
I suck in comparison, and I needto do more.
(01:15):
I need to be more like them.
No, you need to be who you are,you need to work within whatever
time frame available you have.
You need to work at the pacethat is comfortable for you.
You need to stay within yourphysical and mental boundaries
because otherwise you're goingto be setting yourself up for
failure.
SPEAKER_00 (01:34):
Um, and since uh there's like a couple of new
people who joined too, I wouldwanted to bring up this question
again on like how they woulddefine grind mentality or hustle
culture.
Um, and to also bring up thequestion like, do they see that
as harmful as we are sayingright now?
But uh this other um speaker oruh this these other points are
(01:58):
referenced by uh April Wilson,um chair of the preventative
medicine department um at LomaLinda University, and uh to
quote her, she said, hustleculture is about being human
rather about being human doingrather than actually being a
human being, which is dangerousin many ways.
(02:19):
And to decipher that, quote, umthe whole hustle culture and
grind culture is like keep uhlike just you have to just do it
to uh as much uh as silly as itseems to like quote Shia LaBeouf
on that, you're doing ratherthan actually like taking uh
(02:39):
steps back and uh likeunderstanding and uh
appreciating like how far you'vecome uh as a creator.
SPEAKER_01 (02:47):
Yeah, I saw um Cody Cody Riffs had a a TikTok today,
but one of his resolutions itwas that you know essentially
it's okay to take a break, it'sokay to take time, and he's
absolutely right.
You know, myself, you know, Ipreach consistency.
I tell people all the time thatthey need to be consistent with
(03:07):
their schedule, be consistentwith their posting and all this
stuff.
And if that's the only part ofmy message you hear, then you
could start working yourself todeath.
If you listen to the entiremessage, it's you need to be
consistent unless you're notcapable of doing it, unless
you're just going through arough patch.
And then it's quite alright totake a break for however long
(03:28):
you need to take a break.
And uh the common uh pushbackagainst taking breaks is that
it's gonna take you longer to uhrecover, you're going to lose
some momentum, you're gonna losesome followers, you're gonna
lose some this and that.
And I don't like to sugarcoatthings, and you might, but
(03:50):
that's okay.
Because when you started withthis journey, you had zero
followers, and now you're atwherever you are, you had zero
people watching you stream, andnow you're at wherever you are.
You can work your way back towhatever point you're at, no
matter how long of a break youtake.
I, if I stop streaming and stopcreating content tomorrow, and I
(04:15):
did not pick it up again forthree years, and I came back,
and every single follower thatis on every single platform is
no longer around, right?
I could work my way back fromthat because two and a half two
plus years ago when I started, Ihad no TikTok account, I had no
(04:35):
Twitter account, I had no Twitchaccount, and then I were but I
worked my way up, right?
So it doesn't matter how longyou take, it doesn't matter how
much momentum you lose, when youneed to take a break, you can
get it back.
SPEAKER_00 (04:48):
And you made a tweet uh previously that I would like
to reference uh to supporteverything that you just said
too.
Um I think it was in response tosomeone who said uh that uh that
was in support of grind cultureand hustle mentality.
You specifically said that um uhyou may uh be uh can constantly
(05:10):
and consistently like doing itlike the next few streams or
like posting the next videos,but we don't want to lose you in
the long run.
And I think that's the thing toowith an elevated mindset, is
that having that over the grindmentality, knowing when to take
breaks, being self-aware andunderstanding uh your needs,
your individualistic needs uhwill keep you creating and keep
(05:35):
you streaming in the long runrather than just saying, like,
oh, I have to do this uh streamtoday, or I have to post uh like
uh this video by tomorrow, um,because uh those uh those things
will lead to burnout and willmake you want to like uh quit uh
like potentially quit in thelong run.
SPEAKER_01 (05:57):
People aren't meant to put in the some of the level
of work that they do.
So they're they're simply not.
It is not feasible to workyourself to death.
To work and just work and justwork, push and then push and
push.
You will you know, but onceagain, people will see those
examples of people that they dowork constantly.
And I in and some people theysee what I do as somebody that
(06:21):
puts in all this work, and if hecan do it, I can do it.
SPEAKER_00 (06:24):
It really is.
And also, I noticed a commentfrom Bullet Club here.
Um, 100% breaks are easier andless damaging to your accounts,
your follows, and goals due towhat is known as goldfish
attention practice.
They will forget and move on,but like a goldfish, it becomes
new again, and you can regainthat attention back.
(06:44):
And that is incredibly accurate.
And I'll even open up and uh uhbriefly talk about some personal
stories with uh um severalviewers who found me uh through
TikTok or Insta Reels too.
Um that well, let's uh be honestuh that most TikTok users like
(07:05):
Bullet Club uh mentioned havegoldfish or hamster attention
spans.
Um and maybe like they don't uhcome back for like a stream or
two, but then uh they'll theywill come back eventually.
It's like, oh hey, uh I'm I'mglad that you're still doing
this in the long run.
Um I've had I've had multipleinstances of that too, where um
(07:28):
people uh that found me throughTikTok, maybe they miss a stream
or two, but uh um knowing myselfas a creator when I do take
breaks, even if it meanscanceling a stream, and then
it's a great feeling when theycome back and say, like, oh hey,
sorry I haven't been here for awhile, or like I'm glad to see
that you're still like streamingand posting the videos too.
SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:53):
Um that that ties into like what you and I are
striving for to keep doing thisfor for the long run.
SPEAKER_01 (08:01):
Yeah, absolutely.
And sometimes you can you needto change things up, you know,
you don't have to stop, but youneed to slow down, right?
You can sometimes you can getthat mental break without even
stopping.
So, for instance, you know, I'vegot tired of streaming three,
four days a week for as long asI've been doing it.
I used to stream when I firststarted, I've been doing this,
I've been streaming for a littlejust over two years.
(08:23):
When I first started doing itfor the first six months, I
streamed five days a week, andthen I cut that down to four
because I was tired.
And then I had like I don't Ihad a very bad experience uh at
s at one point, and I decided Ihave to cut down to three days.
I cannot do four days anymore,and that worked out really well.
I got to the point um a couplemonths ago where I realized with
(08:46):
the way that things are goingfor me and things that I'm
trying to do, even three dayswas going to be too much because
it was I can't possibly add umallocate any more of my personal
time to growing, so I had tomake changes.
So I cut down to one day a weekstreaming.
And I there was I had a lot ofapprehension doing that, a lot
(09:06):
of anxiety doing I'm like, oh mygod, people are gonna forget
that I exist because it's onlyone day a week.
Um, there were other people wellwell-intentioned saying, you
know, you're going to limit yourfinancial growth because you're
cutting out so much of your uhtime that you're visible.
But it was necessary, it was anecessary thing to do.
Um, I've only a couple weeksinto it.
(09:28):
Um well it remains to be seenhow how it's going to go, but
you know, it was something Ineeded to do in order to grow
other other areas.
So I'm slowing, I've slowed downand I don't regret it.
I do not regret it.
I feel a lot better about it.
SPEAKER_00 (09:42):
To uh support your decision too, you're still uh
you're still visible on prettymuch all platforms, so no one is
necessarily forgetting about uhyou as well.
And I think that's the thingtoo, is as a streamer, it's um
important, it's just asimportant, if not even more so,
(10:04):
to be present on uh um everyplatform out there than Twitch
itself.
It is one thing, and I'll evenum reference uh what Dom from
Evil Media said uh to reallyquestion yourself on where
you're putting and allocatingyour time into.
It's uh it's easy to be flexibleto be present on like Twitter or
(10:29):
even TikTok, like uh posting uhand uh editing a video like uh
given like the amount of timethroughout the day.
When you're live streaming, youare essentially locked in and
strapped into Twitch for like asolid three, four hours,
depending on uh your streamschedule.
SPEAKER_01 (10:47):
Um yeah, it's it's it's it's a lot, you know.
Um in fact, I mean if we're justif I'm just gonna talk strictly
about the you know the time, youknow, there was um I had uh Dom
the Exploder Coles on thepodcast a couple weeks, a couple
months ago, and he said that asa streamer you need to stream
(11:10):
less and create more.
You should limit yourself to acouple days a week a few days a
week streaming, um, or when moreimportantly, don't stream more
than a few hours at a time.
Now I know there are probablypeople on here that stream more,
or anyone listening to thestream more than that, and they
stream five, six, seven, eighthours every single time that
(11:31):
they're that they're live, andthat is not necessarily good.
Even people who are partners andthey're full-time streamers, so
they're on there all of thetime.
There's a lot more to growththan streaming.
There's a lot more to yourgrowth as streaming, whether or
not you want to be someone who'sa YouTuber or not, there's a lot
more that you need to do, andyou can't possibly stream for
(11:52):
six hours a day and still geteverything else you do and
expect it to be of good quality.
You have to understand uh youneed to understand everything
you need to do and the amount oftime that that takes, how much
time you have available, andthen allocate your time in a way
that allows you to get the bestquality for each part of that
(12:13):
without sacrificing you knowyour your health in the interim.
SPEAKER_00 (12:18):
Absolutely.
And especially now that youmentioned that you don't want to
sacrifice your well-being as notjust a streamer, but as an
individual, that segues into youknow our next point here rest as
hard as you work.
And to quote the article,self-care isn't a commodity to
be earned, but because hustlehulch uh hustle culture treats
(12:40):
it as such, we're burning out analarming rate.
Um, what are your thoughts aboutthat?
Is that something that uh youagree with?
Because uh at least from from mypersonal perspective, when I'm
scrolling through streamerTwitter, streamer TikTok, and
I've lately been coming acrosspeople saying, like, oh hey, I'm
you know like taking a prettylong break from streaming or
(13:03):
like uh quitting altogether.
I do agree with that point,unfortunately.
SPEAKER_01 (13:08):
Yeah, so I can and I can tell you it's it's I took uh
about two weeks off right aroundthe holidays.
Um it was not intentioned.
Exactly.
I was gonna stream less, but Iended up streaming nothing, and
I didn't post much on Twitter,and I didn't post many TikToks.
Um I wasn't invisible, but Ididn't post much.
(13:29):
And I had a point, if you're inmy Discord, you know this, um,
where I was posting the Discorda little more often, kind of
just when opening up to people.
And there was a point about aweek and a half into after I'd
missed like four streams whereI'm like, guys, I don't miss it.
And that was scary to me.
Right?
I don't I don't miss it.
Um and what that told me was I'mfreaking tired.
(13:53):
I'm freaking tired.
Um and uh I knew that I wasn'tready to come back.
I think I announced I was gonnacome back two or three times
before I actually did.
And it wasn't until you know Iwoke up one morning and I'm
like, I really want to streamthat I realized okay, now I'm
ready.
Now I'm ready to do it.
And I work very hard.
(14:14):
I I am someone who is verycompetitive and I am determined
to be successful doing this.
And sometimes to to mydetriment, but I needed that
time off to realize where Ineeded to prioritize myself.
I don't need to be the best ateverything.
I just need to do what I canwithin my own limits and accept
(14:36):
that you know um where I'm goingto find that spot where I'm
comfortable, I feel successful,and I'm not burnt out.
SPEAKER_00 (14:47):
Right.
I really like that you took thetime to give yourself self-care
and to also essentiallyre-energize.
I know you and I have spokenabout how we like both of us
have social batteries thatthere's only so much that we can
give as streamers.
Yeah.
And to also bring up anotherpoint that supports your
(15:07):
decision morph.
Instead, look at self-care as along and overdue debt that you
owe to yourself, and moreimportantly, use it as a
reminder that you're worth beingcared for, and that sometimes
you do have to quote unquoteslow down to keep up.
SPEAKER_01 (15:21):
One of the hardest pieces of when you're when
you're in a grind, when you'reever when you're or even
something like when you're uhdealing with anxiety or you're
you're feeling depressed, is wedon't always realize it.
We don't realize that we're inthose modes.
So there's a it takes a lot to sto understand how you feel when
(15:46):
you're when you're in those kindof states.
And you need to train yourselfto recognize that.
And if you can do that, thenyou're halfway there to getting
past it.
Um and I'm I'm speaking fromexperience, you know, I was um
I've been pretty open that.
I have seen therapists on andoff over the years, and I was
(16:11):
working with one recently withinthe last year who finally taught
me how to recognize when I'mreally feeling anxious.
And for me, it was I feelsomething physiologically.
I like I can now recognize whenum I'm having trouble
concentrating, when I feel myheart rate increasing, um that
(16:31):
I'm probably starting togenerate an awful lot of
anxiety, and uh when thathappens, I need to re I need to
sort of pause think about whatit is I'm feeling anxious about,
and then uh determine whether ornot it's a real thing that I
need to work on and uh kind ofgo from there.
(16:53):
But getting past these thesemoments of how you're feeling is
definitely important, and Iwould strongly encourage you if
you have constant issues to toreach out to a professional.
This should be fun.
No matter how hard you'reworking at it, no matter how bad
you want it or whatever it isyou're going for, if you're not
having fun, if you're notenjoying what you're doing, then
(17:16):
you should not be doing itbecause you won't be able to
maintain it for long.
Yeah, we want a lot of peoplewant to do the content creation
for a career because they don'tlike their nine to five.
If you start noting not to likecontent creation, uh where does
that leave you?
Where does it leave you?
And given how hard it is togrow, if you start disliking it,
(17:38):
that's when you're gonna quit.
So get if you start getting to apoint where it's just not fun,
find some way to change up whatyou're doing.
Because it won't be long beforeyou quit if you don't.
SPEAKER_00 (17:49):
Absolutely.
And one of my final words fortonight's session is that most
people out there want the prize,but they don't want the process.
So that's something that I hopeour listeners can take home and
think through tonight.
SPEAKER_01 (18:05):
The last thing I'll I will mention is trust the
process, understand what youwant to achieve, understand how
you can get there, start on thatpath, be patient, and trust the
process.
Don't move faster than you needto, and don't put yourself in
the position where you feel likeyou're unsuccessful because it's
(18:26):
not happening as fast as youwant it to.
It's happening as fast as it'ssupposed to.
Thanks so much for hanging out,everybody.
If you enjoyed this episode,make sure to like and share the
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(18:48):
elevated.media.
Thanks.
Have a great day.
Most people out there want the prize, but they
don't want the process.
So that's something that I hopeour listeners can take home and
think through tonight.
SPEAKER_01 (00:10):
Welcome to Down the Rabbit Hole, a podcast for
creators, where we stream liveevery Wednesday, 8 p.m.
on Twitter Spaces.
Yeah, I've I've heard that uhfar too often where people have
said that to me, that they theyrespect the grind, they expect
that they respect the work thatuh I put in.
I often tell them, well, don'ttry to do what I'm doing.
(00:31):
Because what tolerance level Ihave for the amount of work that
I put in is not necessarily thetolerance level that you have to
put the work in.
The things that I sacrifice toget done what I do are not
necessarily things that youshould sacrifice to get done
what you want to see.
While I appreciate thesentiment, and you should also
(00:53):
appreciate the sentiment ifpeople say it to you, you need
to caution them that again, thisis a very individual thing, and
what works for some people isnot going to work for another
person.
And when you're saying that tosomeone, you're basically, I
feel like the person is sayingto themselves, Wow, that person
is really pushing a lot harderthan me.
I suck in comparison, and I needto do more.
(01:15):
I need to be more like them.
No, you need to be who you are,you need to work within whatever
time frame available you have.
You need to work at the pacethat is comfortable for you.
You need to stay within yourphysical and mental boundaries
because otherwise you're goingto be setting yourself up for
failure.
SPEAKER_00 (01:34):
Um, and since uh there's like a couple of new
people who joined too, I wouldwanted to bring up this question
again on like how they woulddefine grind mentality or hustle
culture.
Um, and to also bring up thequestion like, do they see that
as harmful as we are sayingright now?
But uh this other um speaker oruh this these other points are
(01:58):
referenced by uh April Wilson,um chair of the preventative
medicine department um at LomaLinda University, and uh to
quote her, she said, hustleculture is about being human
rather about being human doingrather than actually being a
human being, which is dangerousin many ways.
(02:19):
And to decipher that, quote, umthe whole hustle culture and
grind culture is like keep uhlike just you have to just do it
to uh as much uh as silly as itseems to like quote Shia LaBeouf
on that, you're doing ratherthan actually like taking uh
(02:39):
steps back and uh likeunderstanding and uh
appreciating like how far you'vecome uh as a creator.
SPEAKER_01 (02:47):
Yeah, I saw um Cody Cody Riffs had a a TikTok today,
but one of his resolutions itwas that you know essentially
it's okay to take a break, it'sokay to take time, and he's
absolutely right.
You know, myself, you know, Ipreach consistency.
I tell people all the time thatthey need to be consistent with
(03:07):
their schedule, be consistentwith their posting and all this
stuff.
And if that's the only part ofmy message you hear, then you
could start working yourself todeath.
If you listen to the entiremessage, it's you need to be
consistent unless you're notcapable of doing it, unless
you're just going through arough patch.
And then it's quite alright totake a break for however long
(03:28):
you need to take a break.
And uh the common uh pushbackagainst taking breaks is that
it's gonna take you longer to uhrecover, you're going to lose
some momentum, you're gonna losesome followers, you're gonna
lose some this and that.
And I don't like to sugarcoatthings, and you might, but
(03:50):
that's okay.
Because when you started withthis journey, you had zero
followers, and now you're atwherever you are, you had zero
people watching you stream, andnow you're at wherever you are.
You can work your way back towhatever point you're at, no
matter how long of a break youtake.
I, if I stop streaming and stopcreating content tomorrow, and I
(04:15):
did not pick it up again forthree years, and I came back,
and every single follower thatis on every single platform is
no longer around, right?
I could work my way back fromthat because two and a half two
plus years ago when I started, Ihad no TikTok account, I had no
(04:35):
Twitter account, I had no Twitchaccount, and then I were but I
worked my way up, right?
So it doesn't matter how longyou take, it doesn't matter how
much momentum you lose, when youneed to take a break, you can
get it back.
SPEAKER_00 (04:48):
And you made a tweet uh previously that I would like
to reference uh to supporteverything that you just said
too.
Um I think it was in response tosomeone who said uh that uh that
was in support of grind cultureand hustle mentality.
You specifically said that um uhyou may uh be uh can constantly
(05:10):
and consistently like doing itlike the next few streams or
like posting the next videos,but we don't want to lose you in
the long run.
And I think that's the thing toowith an elevated mindset, is
that having that over the grindmentality, knowing when to take
breaks, being self-aware andunderstanding uh your needs,
your individualistic needs uhwill keep you creating and keep
(05:35):
you streaming in the long runrather than just saying, like,
oh, I have to do this uh streamtoday, or I have to post uh like
uh this video by tomorrow, um,because uh those uh those things
will lead to burnout and willmake you want to like uh quit uh
like potentially quit in thelong run.
SPEAKER_01 (05:57):
People aren't meant to put in the some of the level
of work that they do.
So they're they're simply not.
It is not feasible to workyourself to death.
To work and just work and justwork, push and then push and
push.
You will you know, but onceagain, people will see those
examples of people that they dowork constantly.
And I in and some people theysee what I do as somebody that
(06:21):
puts in all this work, and if hecan do it, I can do it.
SPEAKER_00 (06:24):
It really is.
And also, I noticed a commentfrom Bullet Club here.
Um, 100% breaks are easier andless damaging to your accounts,
your follows, and goals due towhat is known as goldfish
attention practice.
They will forget and move on,but like a goldfish, it becomes
new again, and you can regainthat attention back.
(06:44):
And that is incredibly accurate.
And I'll even open up and uh uhbriefly talk about some personal
stories with uh um severalviewers who found me uh through
TikTok or Insta Reels too.
Um that well, let's uh be honestuh that most TikTok users like
(07:05):
Bullet Club uh mentioned havegoldfish or hamster attention
spans.
Um and maybe like they don't uhcome back for like a stream or
two, but then uh they'll theywill come back eventually.
It's like, oh hey, uh I'm I'mglad that you're still doing
this in the long run.
Um I've had I've had multipleinstances of that too, where um
(07:28):
people uh that found me throughTikTok, maybe they miss a stream
or two, but uh um knowing myselfas a creator when I do take
breaks, even if it meanscanceling a stream, and then
it's a great feeling when theycome back and say, like, oh hey,
sorry I haven't been here for awhile, or like I'm glad to see
that you're still like streamingand posting the videos too.
SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:53):
Um that that ties into like what you and I are
striving for to keep doing thisfor for the long run.
SPEAKER_01 (08:01):
Yeah, absolutely.
And sometimes you can you needto change things up, you know,
you don't have to stop, but youneed to slow down, right?
You can sometimes you can getthat mental break without even
stopping.
So, for instance, you know, I'vegot tired of streaming three,
four days a week for as long asI've been doing it.
I used to stream when I firststarted, I've been doing this,
I've been streaming for a littlejust over two years.
(08:23):
When I first started doing itfor the first six months, I
streamed five days a week, andthen I cut that down to four
because I was tired.
And then I had like I don't Ihad a very bad experience uh at
s at one point, and I decided Ihave to cut down to three days.
I cannot do four days anymore,and that worked out really well.
I got to the point um a couplemonths ago where I realized with
(08:46):
the way that things are goingfor me and things that I'm
trying to do, even three dayswas going to be too much because
it was I can't possibly add umallocate any more of my personal
time to growing, so I had tomake changes.
So I cut down to one day a weekstreaming.
And I there was I had a lot ofapprehension doing that, a lot
(09:06):
of anxiety doing I'm like, oh mygod, people are gonna forget
that I exist because it's onlyone day a week.
Um, there were other people wellwell-intentioned saying, you
know, you're going to limit yourfinancial growth because you're
cutting out so much of your uhtime that you're visible.
But it was necessary, it was anecessary thing to do.
Um, I've only a couple weeksinto it.
(09:28):
Um well it remains to be seenhow how it's going to go, but
you know, it was something Ineeded to do in order to grow
other other areas.
So I'm slowing, I've slowed downand I don't regret it.
I do not regret it.
I feel a lot better about it.
SPEAKER_00 (09:42):
To uh support your decision too, you're still uh
you're still visible on prettymuch all platforms, so no one is
necessarily forgetting about uhyou as well.
And I think that's the thingtoo, is as a streamer, it's um
important, it's just asimportant, if not even more so,
(10:04):
to be present on uh um everyplatform out there than Twitch
itself.
It is one thing, and I'll evenum reference uh what Dom from
Evil Media said uh to reallyquestion yourself on where
you're putting and allocatingyour time into.
It's uh it's easy to be flexibleto be present on like Twitter or
(10:29):
even TikTok, like uh posting uhand uh editing a video like uh
given like the amount of timethroughout the day.
When you're live streaming, youare essentially locked in and
strapped into Twitch for like asolid three, four hours,
depending on uh your streamschedule.
SPEAKER_01 (10:47):
Um yeah, it's it's it's it's a lot, you know.
Um in fact, I mean if we're justif I'm just gonna talk strictly
about the you know the time, youknow, there was um I had uh Dom
the Exploder Coles on thepodcast a couple weeks, a couple
months ago, and he said that asa streamer you need to stream
(11:10):
less and create more.
You should limit yourself to acouple days a week a few days a
week streaming, um, or when moreimportantly, don't stream more
than a few hours at a time.
Now I know there are probablypeople on here that stream more,
or anyone listening to thestream more than that, and they
stream five, six, seven, eighthours every single time that
(11:31):
they're that they're live, andthat is not necessarily good.
Even people who are partners andthey're full-time streamers, so
they're on there all of thetime.
There's a lot more to growththan streaming.
There's a lot more to yourgrowth as streaming, whether or
not you want to be someone who'sa YouTuber or not, there's a lot
more that you need to do, andyou can't possibly stream for
(11:52):
six hours a day and still geteverything else you do and
expect it to be of good quality.
You have to understand uh youneed to understand everything
you need to do and the amount oftime that that takes, how much
time you have available, andthen allocate your time in a way
that allows you to get the bestquality for each part of that
(12:13):
without sacrificing you knowyour your health in the interim.
SPEAKER_00 (12:18):
Absolutely.
And especially now that youmentioned that you don't want to
sacrifice your well-being as notjust a streamer, but as an
individual, that segues into youknow our next point here rest as
hard as you work.
And to quote the article,self-care isn't a commodity to
be earned, but because hustlehulch uh hustle culture treats
(12:40):
it as such, we're burning out analarming rate.
Um, what are your thoughts aboutthat?
Is that something that uh youagree with?
Because uh at least from from mypersonal perspective, when I'm
scrolling through streamerTwitter, streamer TikTok, and
I've lately been coming acrosspeople saying, like, oh hey, I'm
you know like taking a prettylong break from streaming or
(13:03):
like uh quitting altogether.
I do agree with that point,unfortunately.
SPEAKER_01 (13:08):
Yeah, so I can and I can tell you it's it's I took uh
about two weeks off right aroundthe holidays.
Um it was not intentioned.
Exactly.
I was gonna stream less, but Iended up streaming nothing, and
I didn't post much on Twitter,and I didn't post many TikToks.
Um I wasn't invisible, but Ididn't post much.
(13:29):
And I had a point, if you're inmy Discord, you know this, um,
where I was posting the Discorda little more often, kind of
just when opening up to people.
And there was a point about aweek and a half into after I'd
missed like four streams whereI'm like, guys, I don't miss it.
And that was scary to me.
Right?
I don't I don't miss it.
Um and what that told me was I'mfreaking tired.
(13:53):
I'm freaking tired.
Um and uh I knew that I wasn'tready to come back.
I think I announced I was gonnacome back two or three times
before I actually did.
And it wasn't until you know Iwoke up one morning and I'm
like, I really want to streamthat I realized okay, now I'm
ready.
Now I'm ready to do it.
And I work very hard.
(14:14):
I I am someone who is verycompetitive and I am determined
to be successful doing this.
And sometimes to to mydetriment, but I needed that
time off to realize where Ineeded to prioritize myself.
I don't need to be the best ateverything.
I just need to do what I canwithin my own limits and accept
(14:36):
that you know um where I'm goingto find that spot where I'm
comfortable, I feel successful,and I'm not burnt out.
SPEAKER_00 (14:47):
Right.
I really like that you took thetime to give yourself self-care
and to also essentiallyre-energize.
I know you and I have spokenabout how we like both of us
have social batteries thatthere's only so much that we can
give as streamers.
Yeah.
And to also bring up anotherpoint that supports your
(15:07):
decision morph.
Instead, look at self-care as along and overdue debt that you
owe to yourself, and moreimportantly, use it as a
reminder that you're worth beingcared for, and that sometimes
you do have to quote unquoteslow down to keep up.
SPEAKER_01 (15:21):
One of the hardest pieces of when you're when
you're in a grind, when you'reever when you're or even
something like when you're uhdealing with anxiety or you're
you're feeling depressed, is wedon't always realize it.
We don't realize that we're inthose modes.
So there's a it takes a lot to sto understand how you feel when
(15:46):
you're when you're in those kindof states.
And you need to train yourselfto recognize that.
And if you can do that, thenyou're halfway there to getting
past it.
Um and I'm I'm speaking fromexperience, you know, I was um
I've been pretty open that.
I have seen therapists on andoff over the years, and I was
(16:11):
working with one recently withinthe last year who finally taught
me how to recognize when I'mreally feeling anxious.
And for me, it was I feelsomething physiologically.
I like I can now recognize whenum I'm having trouble
concentrating, when I feel myheart rate increasing, um that
(16:31):
I'm probably starting togenerate an awful lot of
anxiety, and uh when thathappens, I need to re I need to
sort of pause think about whatit is I'm feeling anxious about,
and then uh determine whether ornot it's a real thing that I
need to work on and uh kind ofgo from there.
(16:53):
But getting past these thesemoments of how you're feeling is
definitely important, and Iwould strongly encourage you if
you have constant issues to toreach out to a professional.
This should be fun.
No matter how hard you'reworking at it, no matter how bad
you want it or whatever it isyou're going for, if you're not
having fun, if you're notenjoying what you're doing, then
(17:16):
you should not be doing itbecause you won't be able to
maintain it for long.
Yeah, we want a lot of peoplewant to do the content creation
for a career because they don'tlike their nine to five.
If you start noting not to likecontent creation, uh where does
that leave you?
Where does it leave you?
And given how hard it is togrow, if you start disliking it,
(17:38):
that's when you're gonna quit.
So get if you start getting to apoint where it's just not fun,
find some way to change up whatyou're doing.
Because it won't be long beforeyou quit if you don't.
SPEAKER_00 (17:49):
Absolutely.
And one of my final words fortonight's session is that most
people out there want the prize,but they don't want the process.
So that's something that I hopeour listeners can take home and
think through tonight.
SPEAKER_01 (18:05):
The last thing I'll I will mention is trust the
process, understand what youwant to achieve, understand how
you can get there, start on thatpath, be patient, and trust the
process.
Don't move faster than you needto, and don't put yourself in
the position where you feel likeyou're unsuccessful because it's
(18:26):
not happening as fast as youwant it to.
It's happening as fast as it'ssupposed to.
Thanks so much for hanging out,everybody.
If you enjoyed this episode,make sure to like and share the
podcast.
Don't forget we are here everyWednesday on Twitter Spaces at 8
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If you have a comment or an ideafor a future episode, make sure
to drop us an email atdowntherabbit hole at
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elevated.media.
Thanks.
Have a great day.
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