September 18, 2025 • 49 mins
Amy Phillips and her goddesses Emily Dorezas and Deanna Cheng talk about the wild ride of Charlie Sheen in his new documentary "Aka Charlie Sheen". A surprisingly interesting doc that was shocking, tragic and outrageous. From cutthroat sibling rivalry, to the humble beginnings of what Amy dubbed "The Crack Pack", they explore the mystery of how Charlie survived. "Winning" the recap is Emily who knows her 80's trivia like the back of her hand. With cross-references to the Andrew McCarthy documentary as well as Heart of Darkness, they dig deep. And lastly, they touch on the critical debates around some of the more serious allegations. Don't miss this rollercoaster episode filled with laughs, gasps, and plenty of Winning!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, darlings. Before you listen to this recap, I just
want to give you a heads up that we recorded
a lot longer than we expected to, so this is
only a partial recap of the Charlie Sheen documentary. If
you want to listen to this episode in its entirety,
the full episode is over on the drama Darlingpatreon. That's
patreon dot com slash drama Darling.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Drama, Darling Drama, Darling Drama Darling.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Hello, everybody, are you winning? Because that's what today's episode
is all about. We are recapping the Charlie Sheen documentary.
Thank you for joining us. So before we begin, let
me just tell you to pop on over to patreon
dot com slash drama Darling and you can get more
recaps over there. Great British Baking Show is over there,
(01:04):
The Real House of Wives of London is over there.
Miami will be over there. I mean, there's tons of stuff,
so don't sleep on it. And also get your Cabareati
tickets for the weekend of Bravo Con tickets are on sale.
It's a great fun show for all you Bravo fanatics
and I'd love to see you there.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Just will love it.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
So you can go to these podcast notes and click
on the link, and or you can head on over
to my Instagram page meet Amy Phillips. The link is
in my bio or search on ticket web and pop
in Cabareami. So let's go, girls. Deanna Ching and Emily
Dresis are joining me today. Ladies, how you doing great?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
We win so radically in our underwear before our first coffee.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
It's scary. Quoting the great Charlie Sheen.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
We win so radically in our Oh my god, Emily Verbatim.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
We went so radically in our underwear before I first
got this is with him and his his angels.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yes, no, goddesses, goddesses, gods.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Uh. Deanna, you're looking like a goddess, always looking gorgeous.
How you doing?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Oh right back at you too, I'm doing good, yeah, Charlie.
So you know, there's a lot happening, and it's a
time to reflect. It's a time to think about like
what we've been through as women in our lives.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
Like this is the guy?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Like, as you're watching this, you're just like wow, the
messaging we got wow.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah wow.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
And I was talking to Darling Eliza Roseen, and she
was like, I think that I could have used some
more episodes in this. And I agree in the sense that,
like I needed some of the crazy shit he did,
especially like to Denise et cetera. I needed more lights
(03:02):
on that, and I you know what I mean, that's
I agree that we needed a little bit more exposure.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
On something on that.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
Yeah, I needed a little light on did you shoot
Kelly Preston? Like, yeah, what happened there?
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah? What's up with that? There were some holes?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Yeah, I mean there was every time there was something
really bad that he did, I.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Didn't get any further information.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
It was mentioned, and then I'm pausing and googling and
going down in old clips and clippings of newspapers and trying.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I'm doing my own documentary on.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
The sidereunching the clock and get in there, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So, yeah, we want our own answers, like this is
the companion piece basically to that documentary.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah, and apparently with the Kelly Preston thing, which I
didn't even know.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I didn't even know about.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
This, Yeah, she was according to both of them, she
was cleaning out. He had a gun in his pocket
and she was in the bathroom and it fell out
of the pocket when she picked up his pants and
the gun went off and the shrapnel from the toilet
cut her so bad that she needed stitches.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So we know he paid off everybody, So it's hard
to believe quite much. And clearly he's going to be
covering his bases. He's going to show us whatever hand
he wants to. I mean, he's the executive producer of
this documentary, which I think was extremely well done.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Fun, It was fun.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I think it was very biased.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
What do YOUNA?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Well?
Speaker 5 (04:49):
I was just it's fun because the way they used
all the footage to that unbelieve highlight the moments, that
was really cool and really well done. Yes, and and
because he's such a comical character in our minds at
this point, it like really worked.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
I thought, you know, he's such a.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Well the otherworldly and as Sean Penn would say, having
a different chemistry than all of us, which is completely true.
But the whole idea of him that there is so
much footage between his work, his body of work, and
his father's body of work and say Emilio's body of work,
(05:36):
that it completely told every single part of his story
for the most part, right, I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
No, that's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I mean, like a lot of it.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
As soon as the devil's on his shoulder, we get
an edit, we get the fastest edit of all time.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
How many times did your cargo over the canyon? What
was that?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I mean? I love that John Cryer's like Anyboddy, I'm
just trying to work, you know. John Cryer opening up
this I thought was a great way to start it
with his right, I mean, I thought that he was like,
I'm not here to like give him what he said exactly.
I'm not here to excuse his behavior, and I'm not
here to uplift him. I'm just simply here to say, Wow,
(06:23):
what a guy.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
And I read after the fact that Charlie she Never
had not talked to him about any of this, and
that he was actually very grateful for John Cryer's take
on him, because he said it was like hearing like
a very thoughtful therapist analysis of Charlie Sheen. He was like,
it was like such a light bulb to watch Crier
(06:45):
in the documentary talking about him.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
So I thought that was I liked this documentary.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I just know that I was like, I respect that
he was willing to give us the broad strokes of
the shit in terms of like maybe there was some
legal ramifications for him, but like in I do think
I could have used some.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
More Oh sure, one hundred thousand percent.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Like you're dealing with an addict who is at the
top of his game. In terms of what an addict
can be. It's like boom, like wow, you know, and
so half of it is going and that's why it
is super important to have other people talk. And quite frankly,
John Cryer didn't say anything crazy. He just got some
(07:34):
stuff off his chest, you know, but he had some
things to just like he's been waiting for this. Yeah,
but nobody went in, including Denise, like no one in it.
Maybe they did to your point, Emily, and it didn't
make it in to the film, But it's like he's
(07:55):
still being protected by the machine, right ultimately.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, because he wants to tell a story, and in
order for him to tell his story on his terms,
he'll have to get people that he knows will protect
him on some level. So and we knew that him
and Denise have a fairly good communicative relationship at this point.
We know that he and Brooke also do, and that's concerning.
(08:24):
I mean, I was concerned for her during this whole documentary.
I was like, this is I mean, were you seeing
what I was seeing? Like the slurred words and very
I'm very concerned about her.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Well, I mean Dirty Dancing.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I mean, I don't know where to quite start where
she fell in love with Charlie Sheen when because of
Dirty Dancing, but because you know, there's really just one
dude in that movie and it's not Charlie Sheen. But
I'm shocking, but I'm willing to give her the benefit
of the doubt that she did as many drugs Charlie Sheen,
(09:01):
and we see that on it. With a normal person,
sometimes it just fries your brain and there's not really
coming back from that.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
So I kind of wonder if she's.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
In that that's actually very possible. Yes, quick quick adjustment.
I think it's Perasbueler's day off.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Absolutely it is.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
It is, Yes, But she was getting Dirty Dancing, Yeah,
because Jennifer Dray was Okay.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Wait, I thought, I was like, I don't remember him
in Dirty Dancing, and I'm going to the whole movie
like I'm going I'm in the Catskills I'm like, I'm
like trying to find Charlie.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Yeah, You're okay, I got it. Sorry, I just had
to like Charlie.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
The cat's skills, got it.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Unless there's someone up there that I can give him
a tennis ball size.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Yeah, I was like, I was in the banquet hall
looking at the couples.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
I'm like, I was he in the Talent Show, you know?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, I mean, look, Brook gets her Jennifer Gray movies
confused because she's a huge Jennifer Gray diehard fan.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
No.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Actually, I had the fairest Bueller's Day off Jennifer Gray story.
I loved that story. I mean that really was the
beginning of his career. And I didn't realize that. I mean,
I don't know if you guys did, but I think
it was that, you know, all we all felt the
pain of him being very excited about this role, on
him going down there and John Hughes being like, yeah,
you look great, show up tomorrow, and then him being
(10:26):
like just five more minutes and oh, just the panic
inside of me. And I'm sure anyone watching this like
the opportunity and that the snooze button and then getting
down there and getting read the ride act by Jennifer Gray,
thank god, But that John Hughes when he walked on
set was like, so glad you're here. I thought, Wow,
this is an outstanding human being that is unlike what
(10:50):
we hear about in Hollywood. And I wondered if it
was because he was well, I was just gonna say.
I wondered if it was because Martin Sheen is his father.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, for sure it could be.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
He also could have really liked the look.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
And you know, call times can be flawed, you know
what I mean, like it may not have a cotton
day and its just like, oh yeah, it looks great.
I've had him on my mind like whatever he's laid,
who cares, you know, you know who knows, but who knows?
But he is we I did kind of like throughout
the thing, I'm like, oh, you're just You're just one
(11:25):
of us, which is like, I mean, I say this
with love, but like, you know, a lame actor. And
I mean that being like you're just.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
In trying to get that break, trying to get that.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Break, and you want all the things that actors want.
It's not you know, do you know what I yes?
And I want to say that that Ferris Bule.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Seeing that Ferris Bueller scene again was really a great
It's such.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
A great scene.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
And I do remember the first time I was like, Wow,
that guy is captivating. He really stole the show. I mean,
it's just his presence. It's unexplainable. I mean, that's why
he jumped off the screen.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
And you know.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
One of the things that I really enjoyed about. Two
things I enjoyed about this documentary about his life only two.
One what an incredible person it seems like Martin Sheen.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Is as a father.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And two hearing about his upbringing and how passionate he
actually was about filmmaking and acting and how nerding, how
he nerded out with his brother, his brothers and his friends,
and hearing what that life was like in Malibu and
all of those videos that they did. I really enjoyed
seeing that it wasn't just some NEPO kid getting opportunities.
(12:45):
These kids even grew up in it. But they yeah,
they loved it.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Even if it was NEPO.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
This is my argument against nepotism. There's a price to
be paid even if it's NEPO. And we're seeing it
with Charlie Sheen with addiction and feeling inadequate and feeling
like you're there because of your dad and all that.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
So if you got you still have to overcome something.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Even if you got the job because of your family,
you're gonna have to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
You've got all the demons of the people that came
before you. I mean, it's a thoughtful it's not. But
to hear about Nick Cage. What an absolute lunatic. That
guy was going like being up in a castle and
being like I'm closer to the crime up here.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
It was like what.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
He as a human. But I will watch him in anything.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I didn't know how I didn't know how weird he was.
I really didn't know, did you know?
Speaker 7 (13:41):
Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, I didn't realize, but you know.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
I mean, question about John Patt, quick question.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
About who was Oh god, yeah?
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Was he doing drugs at any point like during this documentary?
Did we see something at one point? I'm I didn't
he just Sean.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Penn, I don't think so. I think that's Sean pat
And I will say I think.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
He really deserved like the Nobel Peace Prize for what
he did in terms of his his charity work and
his piece work.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
And it is crazy, like you can google all that.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I don't think I want to hang out with him
for more than ninety minutes.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Thought, wow, that's a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, I'm willing.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I think I want to meet him for ten minutes
and the rest is going to be a lecture and
I'm able to follow it.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yes, I think what you were saying about Brook allegedly
is true about him as well, that he's probably moving
at a different pace now based on all of the history,
much like a lot of rock stars and celebrities at
that time. But what's wild is that Charlie Sheen seems
to be real on point. I mean, I guess, like
what how did he or vibe? That is the biggest question.
(15:02):
I don't understand how he survived this, you guys a miracle?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
How is he still alive?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I don't know? And I often think, like with somebody.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Like that, when you or like Keith Richards, where I'm like,
what if you never did one drug?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Do you live to two hundred?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Like what probably would have died at thirty?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Oh yeah, well that's true.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Yeah, there's some sort of preservation happening, like yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean it is a miracle, and if you are,
I do think there should be like just a little
warning at the top of this documentary, like if you
are flirting with the idea of doing crack, do not
(15:42):
watch this, right because I'm.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
Just gonna push over my god. I'm like, well, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Like that.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Sounds pretty well. Actually, you know that just scene that
he laid out, You're like, I won't touch that in
my human experience. You know that whatever that feeling was
that he had while he was trying crack for the
first time and getting a blowjob, Like, right, I'm in
no danger of experiencing that in my lifetime. Yeah, but
(16:15):
but wow, you know, like if you're on the brink.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Someone's gonna he's romanticizing it. He's publicizing it in a
way that it's yeah, look, it's a pr campaign for crack.
I'm kidding. I mean, look, we've heard about it in
intervention many times. The feeling and what people how they
explain it, and it is one of those things where
you're like, that sounds amazing. Wouldn't we all like to
feel that way? Which is why it's such a dangerous drug.
(16:41):
But it you know, the way that it happened with
him is so interesting because it just goes to show
you if you are, you know, such a drug user
and you're running in that in that fast crowd, you know,
it's only a matter of time before you get to
the next step. It was just a matter of time,
you know. If it wasn't that gal, that lady, you know,
(17:03):
it would have been someone else. Now you know, I'm
kind of we're gonna be skipping around. But the biggest,
the biggest takeaway for me was, oh my god, it
was the drug dealer that got him ultimately sober, Like,
oh my god, the drug dealer.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Year and a half cutting down the crack, you mean,
yeah to nothing.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I wish that we didn't know that, and I wish
that he had never told him because in my mind,
to your point, Deanna, that's when I was like, if
I'm Charlie Sheen.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I want to know that, right, I'll.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Just go get some other crack now, right, right, So, like,
I mean, he's been sober, I guess not eight years now.
He says seven or eight years at the top.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
But I both so what a way to believe you know.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
What? I was like, that's not something we should ever know, we.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Should we should have him believe that he really got
off and that's that.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Wow, that's an interesting point, damn, because.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
There's nothing preventing him in a weak moment from going out,
going out and just getting some crack that's real and
not watered down.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I mean, his will to stay sober is you know,
stopping him.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
But but an addict is an addict, is an addict,
so like that voice can sometimes be loud enough to
just start that engine running again.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
So that's why I was like, we know, I mean,
I guess I'm not sure. I think you've got a
really good point. You know, but if he's addicted, he
you know, whether he knew or not. As you said,
an addict is an addict, he would have just maybe
done something.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Else, which he did.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
He just went to alcohol, right, and then he had
to end up getting sober from that.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's an I think it's an interesting point.
And it doesn't you know, he has been up and
down so many times that did I feel he felt
one hundred percent confident that it wouldn't be No, you know,
like it's like that I'm on eight.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
He's like, I don't know if I'll make it denied.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
We'll see you know by day, you know, which is
the whole shebang, right, it's day by day, which is
how you have to keep your head. But even doing
something like this for someone like him, even within the
curation of it, you wonder what the effects of even
(19:34):
putting this out there for him will be, you know,
because sobriety is so uh just it's not it's not
firm for him, you know, even with seventy eight years
under his belt.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I am impressed with the seven or eight. The you know,
it was interesting the HIV situation, how he had to
put that.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Yeah, I forgot that, guys like that, that Charlie Sheen
has HIV popped out of my head completely when I
came back up.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
I was like, oh my god, I forgot that. Did
you guys have it?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
No?
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I did remember, because he's like one of those people
in my head, like Magic Johnson, where I'm like, Okay,
he's doing fine, he's doing fine.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Like that kind of thing. Oh right.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
What was odd to me is that he knew for
a fact he'd never given it to somebody.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
And I'm like, how would you know, right?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
How would you know?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
How do you know, as Larsa would say, right.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Because the person who's in this interview seat is not
the person who was in his addiction. So it's like
and the lack of accountability. I mean, I think that
consequences came up quite a few times, and you really
do understand that, Like, it is not a gift to
(20:53):
give people no consequences. Like him failing as hard as
anyone could ever fail and then being gifted a gorgeous
opportunity time and time again is just the patriarchy at
its finest, and also nepotism at its finest. And also
(21:14):
like you know, it's just in Hollywood, you know, really
and truly it's really I mean, it seemed almost like
he he was blaming I think on some level the
lack of consequences on the trajectory of his life.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
On some level.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah, I think he was looking for consequences. I think
he wanted a punishment. I mean, I think that's what
that's really at the end of the day. Maybe what
he was chasing, just like, you know, make me pay
for this success somehow.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
The sabotage, Yeah, I think a few people brought that
up about the sabotage. That is interesting because in some way,
you really appreciate somebody being humble enough to be like,
I can't you know, I have this opportunity. So many
people don't get this. Do I even really deserve it
over somebody else? And I actually really respect that mindset.
(22:09):
But his was so much more than just that, like
sabotaging on what level of like you know, when he
explained that story about Apocalypse Now and his dad having
that night.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Fucking God, that the fact that he was on that set.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I know, there's Heart of Darkness, which is the documentary
about everyone losing their fucking minds. Can you just imagine
being a little kid and watching everybody around you just
be off.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Well, that's why I was like, this is why we
needed eight episodes on just that. But I mean, clearly
he's not going to talk about Marlon Brando losing his shit,
you know, I mean yah, but he had to have
seen so much like I. That's where I just don't
understand how we can't get in there, right, I mean.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
But even his own father, that scene with the mirror
is iconic of Martin Sheen just fully losing his everything
and like, like, not as an actor, but as Martin
Sheen and so I'm just like, and.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So was he drunk at that time or not? And
did he have a drinking problem or not? Because I
thought that he was going down that road of saying
that his dad did have a drinking problem. But then
I was like, Oh, he's just getting into his character
and this is technique off the rails, this is Lee
Strasberg beyond.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
That's what the documentary Heart of Darkness is. It's all
about the making of Apocalypse Now and it's all about
all of them losing their minds, like literally losing their
minds and having no grounding. I mean, that's why that
movie took so long to make and there's so much
foot Like even Francis four.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Coppola is losing his mind.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
But did they say the drugs that were alcohol were
involved in that is what I'm asking yea, But was
he an alcoholic?
Speaker 4 (23:50):
I don't know if he was an alcoholic, but I
know that, like, there was a lot going on in
that set to like, and.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I don't know if there was a dicktion.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
I just know that there was a lot going on
on that right, Yes, I just like the terms of
drugs and alcohol, but.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I'm saying, like there was something.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Above that going on, that everybody was just chaos iconically,
just one of the most chaotic sets of all time.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Wow, sounds like LSD. You know, it sounds like people
were just hallucinating his balls off.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, as we moved forward in the documentary, and how
many times his father just kept giving him chance after
a chance, and the support that he gave him, and
including his brother although I don't know, I mean, I
say both of his brothers, his father and Emilia not
being in the documentary obviously there's no way, of course
they wouldn't be in that. I mean, that would be
way too painful. Now, his mom, his mom was not
(24:48):
talked about really at all.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Just at the intervention, she was like, to have a
gun on you. But yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Yeah, I thought that was odd too, and I thought like, well,
maybe this is more like Charlie Sheen is protecting his
mom and his dad's in the public eye, and that's
what we want.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
To hear about. I don't know, but it was a
little weird.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
But he did say that they practice nudism, which can
be real weird when you're little.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I mean, can you imagine.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Now I have a friend his parents did and you know.
He yeah, you know, he turned out great. But like
it is, it is a it's a vibe for sure.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
I think it's it's an old school Malibu vibe because.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
It's probably true.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Yeah, there's a really great podcast called Lost Hills. It's
a true crime, but they had an episode with Rob
low and if you only want to listen to that
to get the vibe of Malibu at that time, it
was fucking wild and very blue collar. So that's the
other thing to like, because we now think of Malibu
as being like like the most wealthy, but it just
(25:59):
wasn't that. It was like like those videos of them,
like Charlie and Emilio like out there just getting concussions
on construction sites.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Like that's that was it.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
That was that was the vibe.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And that's and he did say it wasn't like you know,
it was just a regular you know, community and neighborhood.
And it is so interesting that like Sean Penn was
there and Nick Cage was there. I didn't know Rob
Lowe was there, but all these all these guys. It
made me think, well, we had that brat pack, you know,
back then, but what about this pack.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
This is like the crack pack.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
It just it really was like, why aren't why haven't
we talked about this group before?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I never even knew that they were all connected.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
That's interesting.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
When I first moved to La, I worked in Malibuy
babysat for a family that lived around the corner from
Sean Penn's parents, and they were very very close with them.
They're older, you know, obviously even twenty years ago, they
were they were old. But I wonder if he was born.
I wonder if because they they had a you know,
(27:08):
they he may have. Is Sean Penn from Malibou?
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Did he grow up? I wonder, That's what we're saying.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
They were literally they were all there. He was like
in those films too, I'm saying. And then Chris pen
Chris Penn was like Emilio. Yeah, they were all in there.
That's what's so crazy.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah. And they were also.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Quite lovely, you know, the parents. I mean they really,
you know, his parents were lovely. That Martin Sheen and
his wife seemed like it's like a lovely you know.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
It's like the too much son, I think a little
too much son.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Well, it was a very liberal time, and I don't
mean by politics I just mean by the way of life.
It was very hippie. It was very like we're nude
now or by the beach. We're living in a way
that our parents didn't and that did not bode well
for most of those people. Now it did bode well
for the entertainment world because it gifted us with a
lot of you know, great actors and things like that,
(28:02):
but at the price of I don't know of what.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
I encourage you to listen at Roblow episode because I will, Okay,
it sounds magical and horrible at the same time.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
It's called I Think It's Malibu.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
That episode is like the Land of Milks or something,
just to give you an idea of just.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Like what's going Wow, but is Robinson just left and right?
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Yeah, but like also again very blue collar, just like
it was kind of like what we think of California
now as being like like.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
We're trying anything new.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Wave healthy, but like also back then in Malibu, but
we have like twenty bucks, so it's like.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
You know, and then very rural.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
So to the fact that Martin Sheen like and decided
to move from New York and move there, like I
think he really was like, We're just going to raise
our kids in the woods and I can get to
the set quick of a movie that I you know
what I mean?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Like that was the vibe. I like that vibe.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Martin is Martin Sheen from The Bronx. Do we know?
Sorry to ask that question, but I don't know. I'm curious.
I will look that up on my own time.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Wrong.
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Speaker 3 (34:56):
All right, we are back.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
We're talking the Charlie Sheen doc obviously, and with Deanna
Chang and Emily Dresis karate Kid. He was supposed to
be the karate kid that blew my mind and his
dad being like, you gave them your word on this film.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Yeah, that's such a dad. I feel like my dad
would say the same damn thing. You Now, that's such
a dad move.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
And interesting because not only a dad move, but like
a Hollywood actor who has morals and ethics and it
just wants to raise his son right despite it being
a Hollywood thing. I mean, it's just amazing that he
did that. I don't know if it was the right
thing or wrong thing, but I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yeah, I mean it was the right thing. Ralph Macio
was ten times better for that movie.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I think, Yeah, he was. He was really meant for that.
I mean, he had a vulnerability about him that I'm
not sure that Charlie Sheen would have ever been able
to get. Yeah, I mean he was supposed to be
like the weak kid in school, you know what I mean,
Like Charlie Sheen comes off as a completely different vibe.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yeah, I'm surprised they were even going to cast him.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Yeah, I think Ralph Maccio was exact right and like
to that end. Like, it's always interesting to me when
you hear about the first choice. I can't even imagine
that now, Like it can't even imagine Charlie Sheen and
that that It's like a joke to me.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
How old would he have been in his like where
was he? That was? That was before he hit at all? Right,
that movie that was.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Yeah, Kriddaie Kid came out in eighty four and Ferris
Bueller's eighty six, so they filled Friday Kidd in eighty three.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
See it's hard because you can damn Emily. I know
she'd be really having it.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
She'd be Karate Kid two came out summer k three.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Because like he you know, it's yeah, I can mentally
get there with him, but I think to both the
points like Ralph Macio is like the big white eyes
and you know, yeah, but.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
Charlie Sheen's small.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
He's a small, small guy. It's just you know, it's
so weird how people appear. Yeah, tiny guy with a
big ass with it right, he's yes, yeah, well he
could have done it, you know.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I there were so many surprises in this movie, and
one of them was like, I didn't you know his
first child it was really like very much raised by
his parents, right, didn't know, didn't know anything about it. Uh.
The first woman that he was like like his first
wife was somebody met on that commercial? Yeah, that commercial
(37:40):
wild the Sheen versus the Sheen's versus Jordan was an
extraordinary thing to behold.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
And that was that was in eighty four, right, that
was Michael Jordan, like being like the most iconic UNC player,
like about to write, wasn't in eighty four.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I don't just say it, and don't quest in yourself,
and certainly don't ask us.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
I already questioned myself. Kredi Kid Too came out in
eighty six. Kredi Kid three is eighty nine, thank you, addendum,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
But the Jordan thing was amazing. I it just was incredible.
It was incredible.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
I mean he Martin Sheen and those sinking those shots, okay.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, and him beat like the baseball like you know
when him doing that home run when he came out
of rehab and all that other So he really is
a sportsman. Yeah, after Ferris Bueller and then it really
bumps up. He gets Wall Street and then he gets Platoon.
Now here's what I want to ask you, guys, because
I wasn't certain about this. So with Platoon, his brother Emilio,
(38:44):
from what I understood, like he okay, so Charlie auditioned.
He did a bad job. He said he did poorly,
and apparently Amelia was supposed to be in it. Then
they they pulled back on the movie and they didn't
do it for like a year and a half or two.
Then the next thing, yes, the movie was postponed, and
then yeah it was Oliver Stone.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
So then Oliver Stone's like, well, he wanted Charlie to
be in it, so then he got the part, and
then not Emilio. And then remember in that one moment
and Charlie was like acting very smug and they're like, well,
so Emilio wasn't in it or and he's like, yeah,
I meant to be, Like he got that part away
from his brother, and we know about that sibling rivalry,
(39:24):
So was that true that he got the part over
his brother because that would have caused problem.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I think Emilio was booked.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
I think it was a say he was like on
Grizzly three the Predator instead of Charlie being in Grizzly
to the Predator, like he had some other commitment and
couldn't care Timeline thank you.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
And we know Martin's not going to agree with pulling
him out of there.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
But I also think, like when you see Amelio Estevez
at that time. I mean, it looks he looks way
too much much like Martin Short in Apocalypse Now Martin Short.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Oh, why Martin Shore was in that? He must have
been phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
He was losing his was phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Must see.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Was exactly they are doppelgangers for each other.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
It would have been the weirdest director.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Choice for Oliver Stone to put Emelia Estevez in that.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
It would have just just saying, oh, you're just doing
but he was going to.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
But he was going to.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
I know.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
That's why it's so weird to think.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
Okay, guys, now, as darlings, we have reviewed the documentary
with Andrew McCarthy right where he was getting all his
brad packs together and.
Speaker 6 (40:43):
Amelia, and how do we say it's not Estevez? Like
I hate when these.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Names would get revealed, and you're like Steves, like, well,
I've been saying, why didn't anyone ever, Why would not
a PR person jump in there and get it sorted?
But he was in that, you know. So I'm wondering
timeline wise, Emily.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
When they filmed.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Like when that article came out, that, when that article
came out and when Platoon went is that what you're saying,
is that what you're going there?
Speaker 6 (41:13):
Oh no, but I am interested in that.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
I was wondering, like he chose to do that reluctantly documentary,
but he didn't choose to do his brothers, you know,
And so I'm curious which one. I wonder if that
I am just curious when they filmed the Andrew McCarthy one,
and if he was like, had a bad experience and
then was like, no, I'm definitely not doing yours either.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Charlie or Well was in eighty four, and Breakfast Club
came out in eighty five, so that's like the brad
Pack is kind of like seeing that.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, so the article had not come out when he
was originally Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, got got it.
I mean my take on Emelia not doing this documentary,
it was a no go from the start. There was
no way he was ever going to do it. He
has such dark feelings for him before his brother. His
brother put him through hell. I mean, I can't even
imagine what they've been through. So you know, with Rob Low,
(42:16):
that's light, that's nothing, that's like butter on toast. I mean,
even though like Emilio still seemed bothered by it. He did,
but I don't. I think that that doesn't even scratch
the surface when it comes to his brother. I mean,
I write yea, although his other brother who I didn't
even know existed, who is a spinning image. He's like
the amalgamation of both. Yes, so weird it is.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
I can't look at him without being like, who am
I looking at?
Speaker 6 (42:41):
It's so yild.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
I also think, like with Rob, I was surprised Rob
Blow wasn't in this, So I'm wondering if the.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
If he's because because he was at.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
The intervention, and I'm wonder like they, you know, if
there's and friends that were like, look, we talked to
Amelio and Martin and we just want to like not
co sign this because we don't know. To John Cryer's
point at the beginning, there's a pattern of Charlie like
being on top of the world and that's the tipping
(43:17):
point till he goes down. So we don't want to
co sign that. And I wonder if that there's you know,
enough people that are like.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah, that's possible.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I agree with that, But there's also something about Rob
Low had a very sticky middle there, and we don't
know how Charlie and Rob's cross pollination happened. And I
mean they who knows what happened with them? And so
that's might be a little bit too close for comfort,
you know, because Rob would have to go on there
(43:47):
and he'd be almost like outing himself in a way,
and he's not ready. He's not want to talk about
himself like he's done that. He's in a great penny.
Speaker 5 (43:55):
Yeah, he's been sitting pretty for a minute. No one's
even going back.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yeah, I didn't want to know get in there.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah. So then the Wild Things, that's such a great movie.
Not wild Things, wild Thing, Oh that's interesting. The baseball
movie wild Thing. And then she got a wild base. No, no,
the base thank you?
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Sorry?
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Oh my god, I always call out sorry.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Because that was his song. That's a song in it,
I know, I just yeah. But then Denise's movie is
Wild Things.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Right, and she comes out to the song major league.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
AnyWho?
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Wait wait, getting back to the Kelly Presson thing, I
made a notius because when we saw a reporter coming
up to her fucking door, knock atty knock.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Like that's how it was back then, you guys. They
just walked up to her house.
Speaker 6 (44:54):
They don't do that nowlor I thought she was in
a trailer? Am I tripping? Maybe it was her house?
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yeah, I saw a door trailer handle. Could am I
wrong about that? And how would they get on set?
Speaker 5 (45:09):
But I think to your point it was loose right
exactly exactly.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Yeah, I do think like there's a little bit more
consideration now for something like that. Although like the way
that it's all going down right now with Denise and Aaron,
I can't believe, like Inside Edition is giving any oxygen
to Aaron stuff and following Denise with the camera and.
Speaker 6 (45:35):
Stuff like I that's wild crazy.
Speaker 5 (45:38):
But yeah, yeah, she is amazing, like she has I mean,
I know, we haven't talked about that again. Yeah, she
the things she has been through, you know, and that
little story about her bringing the porn star her you know,
(46:01):
cheese and ham sandwiches was just the epitome of.
Speaker 6 (46:04):
Who she is.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
She is a she has a big heart and her
picker is for the streets.
Speaker 6 (46:15):
It is so bad, you know, it's like.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Lord, Yeah, I mean she you know what was interesting,
there's so much about her being a part of his
story throughout so much of his life, whereas you know
his first wife long gone, you know Brooke, I mean
(46:41):
she's there, but Denise was intrigal in terms of like
helping him realize like he's got HIV, this is not
coming off of drugs, like you know.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
There's that.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
There's the she intervened and took his children and cared
for them for a very long time. She went to
his house and when no one else could get to
him to try to like pull him back up on
some level, which hence the sandwiches. There were so many
things that she did and never like turned his back
(47:15):
on him. It's a strange thing to have that.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
Remember at that time, he was destroying destroying her publicly,
and this was grat I'm not even talking about how
bad he was in the divorce proceedings. I'm talking about
like even during the Goddesses. I mean he was just
going for broke against her. It was crazy. Publicly, he
was saying like the most horrible things, and I just
(47:41):
I like went back and looked, yeah, I mean again,
just well.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
In that she didn't engage in it. It's kind of
like a lesson on somewhere. She was like, I'm gonna
let that because everything in your body would go put
out a statement, let me get in front of a camera,
let me explain. Just it's like, I'm going I'll let
this play out. I will come at the other end
(48:06):
of this, people will understand that I was not that person,
you know, and that he's a complete lunatic.
Speaker 6 (48:15):
And it worked.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
It did work because it can't even work again because
of the things he was saying. And then that's when
she decided I'll do reality because she had nowhere else
to go. And that's when we all were like, she's
a really nice person. She's living with her father and
she has these kids, and you know, it's just it
was a really heartwarming reality show and it was the
(48:38):
beginning of reality too. And that's the end of this
partial recap of the Charlie Sheen documentary. Thank you so
much for listening. If you'd like to listen to the
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(49:19):
was quite the recapous Yeah, all.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Right, let's drama.
Speaker 6 (49:26):
Just take a take a gummy and relax now
Speaker 3 (49:31):
After this
Hello, darlings. Before you listen to this recap, I just
want to give you a heads up that we recorded
a lot longer than we expected to, so this is
only a partial recap of the Charlie Sheen documentary. If
you want to listen to this episode in its entirety,
the full episode is over on the drama Darlingpatreon. That's
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Drama, Darling Drama, Darling Drama Darling.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Hello, everybody, are you winning? Because that's what today's episode
is all about. We are recapping the Charlie Sheen documentary.
Thank you for joining us. So before we begin, let
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Dresis are joining me today. Ladies, how you doing great?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
We win so radically in our underwear before our first coffee.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
It's scary. Quoting the great Charlie Sheen.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
We win so radically in our Oh my god, Emily Verbatim.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
We went so radically in our underwear before I first
got this is with him and his his angels.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yes, no, goddesses, goddesses, gods.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Uh. Deanna, you're looking like a goddess, always looking gorgeous.
How you doing?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Oh right back at you too, I'm doing good, yeah, Charlie.
So you know, there's a lot happening, and it's a
time to reflect. It's a time to think about like
what we've been through as women in our lives.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
Like this is the guy?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Like, as you're watching this, you're just like wow, the
messaging we got wow.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah wow.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
And I was talking to Darling Eliza Roseen, and she
was like, I think that I could have used some
more episodes in this. And I agree in the sense that,
like I needed some of the crazy shit he did,
especially like to Denise et cetera. I needed more lights
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on that, and I you know what I mean, that's
I agree that we needed a little bit more exposure.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
On something on that.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
Yeah, I needed a little light on did you shoot
Kelly Preston? Like, yeah, what happened there?
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah? What's up with that? There were some holes?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Yeah, I mean there was every time there was something
really bad that he did, I.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Didn't get any further information.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
It was mentioned, and then I'm pausing and googling and
going down in old clips and clippings of newspapers and trying.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I'm doing my own documentary on.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
The sidereunching the clock and get in there, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So, yeah, we want our own answers, like this is
the companion piece basically to that documentary.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah, and apparently with the Kelly Preston thing, which I
didn't even know.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I didn't even know about.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
This, Yeah, she was according to both of them, she
was cleaning out. He had a gun in his pocket
and she was in the bathroom and it fell out
of the pocket when she picked up his pants and
the gun went off and the shrapnel from the toilet
cut her so bad that she needed stitches.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So we know he paid off everybody, So it's hard
to believe quite much. And clearly he's going to be
covering his bases. He's going to show us whatever hand
he wants to. I mean, he's the executive producer of
this documentary, which I think was extremely well done.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Fun, It was fun.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I think it was very biased.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
What do YOUNA?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Well?
Speaker 5 (04:49):
I was just it's fun because the way they used
all the footage to that unbelieve highlight the moments, that
was really cool and really well done. Yes, and and
because he's such a comical character in our minds at
this point, it like really worked.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
I thought, you know, he's such a.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Well the otherworldly and as Sean Penn would say, having
a different chemistry than all of us, which is completely true.
But the whole idea of him that there is so
much footage between his work, his body of work, and
his father's body of work and say Emilio's body of work,
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that it completely told every single part of his story
for the most part, right, I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
No, that's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I mean, like a lot of it.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
As soon as the devil's on his shoulder, we get
an edit, we get the fastest edit of all time.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
How many times did your cargo over the canyon? What
was that?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I mean? I love that John Cryer's like Anyboddy, I'm
just trying to work, you know. John Cryer opening up
this I thought was a great way to start it
with his right, I mean, I thought that he was like,
I'm not here to like give him what he said exactly.
I'm not here to excuse his behavior, and I'm not
here to uplift him. I'm just simply here to say, Wow,
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what a guy.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
And I read after the fact that Charlie she Never
had not talked to him about any of this, and
that he was actually very grateful for John Cryer's take
on him, because he said it was like hearing like
a very thoughtful therapist analysis of Charlie Sheen. He was like,
it was like such a light bulb to watch Crier
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in the documentary talking about him.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
So I thought that was I liked this documentary.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I just know that I was like, I respect that
he was willing to give us the broad strokes of
the shit in terms of like maybe there was some
legal ramifications for him, but like in I do think
I could have used some.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
More Oh sure, one hundred thousand percent.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Like you're dealing with an addict who is at the
top of his game. In terms of what an addict
can be. It's like boom, like wow, you know, and
so half of it is going and that's why it
is super important to have other people talk. And quite frankly,
John Cryer didn't say anything crazy. He just got some
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stuff off his chest, you know, but he had some
things to just like he's been waiting for this. Yeah,
but nobody went in, including Denise, like no one in it.
Maybe they did to your point, Emily, and it didn't
make it in to the film, But it's like he's
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still being protected by the machine, right ultimately.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, because he wants to tell a story, and in
order for him to tell his story on his terms,
he'll have to get people that he knows will protect
him on some level. So and we knew that him
and Denise have a fairly good communicative relationship at this point.
We know that he and Brooke also do, and that's concerning.
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I mean, I was concerned for her during this whole documentary.
I was like, this is I mean, were you seeing
what I was seeing? Like the slurred words and very
I'm very concerned about her.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Well, I mean Dirty Dancing.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I mean, I don't know where to quite start where
she fell in love with Charlie Sheen when because of
Dirty Dancing, but because you know, there's really just one
dude in that movie and it's not Charlie Sheen. But
I'm shocking, but I'm willing to give her the benefit
of the doubt that she did as many drugs Charlie Sheen,
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and we see that on it. With a normal person,
sometimes it just fries your brain and there's not really
coming back from that.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
So I kind of wonder if she's.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
In that that's actually very possible. Yes, quick quick adjustment.
I think it's Perasbueler's day off.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Absolutely it is.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
It is, Yes, But she was getting Dirty Dancing, Yeah,
because Jennifer Dray was Okay.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Wait, I thought, I was like, I don't remember him
in Dirty Dancing, and I'm going to the whole movie
like I'm going I'm in the Catskills I'm like, I'm
like trying to find Charlie.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Yeah, You're okay, I got it. Sorry, I just had
to like Charlie.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
The cat's skills, got it.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Unless there's someone up there that I can give him
a tennis ball size.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Yeah, I was like, I was in the banquet hall
looking at the couples.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
I'm like, I was he in the Talent Show, you know?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, I mean, look, Brook gets her Jennifer Gray movies
confused because she's a huge Jennifer Gray diehard fan.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
No.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Actually, I had the fairest Bueller's Day off Jennifer Gray story.
I loved that story. I mean that really was the
beginning of his career. And I didn't realize that. I mean,
I don't know if you guys did, but I think
it was that, you know, all we all felt the
pain of him being very excited about this role, on
him going down there and John Hughes being like, yeah,
you look great, show up tomorrow, and then him being
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like just five more minutes and oh, just the panic
inside of me. And I'm sure anyone watching this like
the opportunity and that the snooze button and then getting
down there and getting read the ride act by Jennifer Gray,
thank god, But that John Hughes when he walked on
set was like, so glad you're here. I thought, Wow,
this is an outstanding human being that is unlike what
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we hear about in Hollywood. And I wondered if it
was because he was well, I was just gonna say.
I wondered if it was because Martin Sheen is his father.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, for sure it could be.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
He also could have really liked the look.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
And you know, call times can be flawed, you know
what I mean, like it may not have a cotton
day and its just like, oh yeah, it looks great.
I've had him on my mind like whatever he's laid,
who cares, you know, you know who knows, but who knows?
But he is we I did kind of like throughout
the thing, I'm like, oh, you're just You're just one
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of us, which is like, I mean, I say this
with love, but like, you know, a lame actor. And
I mean that being like you're just.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
In trying to get that break, trying to get that.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Break, and you want all the things that actors want.
It's not you know, do you know what I yes?
And I want to say that that Ferris Bule.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Seeing that Ferris Bueller scene again was really a great
It's such.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
A great scene.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
And I do remember the first time I was like, Wow,
that guy is captivating. He really stole the show. I mean,
it's just his presence. It's unexplainable. I mean, that's why
he jumped off the screen.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
And you know.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
One of the things that I really enjoyed about. Two
things I enjoyed about this documentary about his life only two.
One what an incredible person it seems like Martin Sheen.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Is as a father.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And two hearing about his upbringing and how passionate he
actually was about filmmaking and acting and how nerding, how
he nerded out with his brother, his brothers and his friends,
and hearing what that life was like in Malibu and
all of those videos that they did. I really enjoyed
seeing that it wasn't just some NEPO kid getting opportunities.
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These kids even grew up in it. But they yeah,
they loved it.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Even if it was NEPO.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
This is my argument against nepotism. There's a price to
be paid even if it's NEPO. And we're seeing it
with Charlie Sheen with addiction and feeling inadequate and feeling
like you're there because of your dad and all that.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
So if you got you still have to overcome something.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Even if you got the job because of your family,
you're gonna have to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
You've got all the demons of the people that came
before you. I mean, it's a thoughtful it's not. But
to hear about Nick Cage. What an absolute lunatic. That
guy was going like being up in a castle and
being like I'm closer to the crime up here.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
It was like what.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
He as a human. But I will watch him in anything.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I didn't know how I didn't know how weird he was.
I really didn't know, did you know?
Speaker 7 (13:41):
Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, I didn't realize, but you know.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
I mean, question about John Patt, quick question.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
About who was Oh god, yeah?
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Was he doing drugs at any point like during this documentary?
Did we see something at one point? I'm I didn't
he just Sean.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Penn, I don't think so. I think that's Sean pat
And I will say I think.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
He really deserved like the Nobel Peace Prize for what
he did in terms of his his charity work and
his piece work.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
And it is crazy, like you can google all that.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I don't think I want to hang out with him
for more than ninety minutes.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Thought, wow, that's a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, I'm willing.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I think I want to meet him for ten minutes
and the rest is going to be a lecture and
I'm able to follow it.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yes, I think what you were saying about Brook allegedly
is true about him as well, that he's probably moving
at a different pace now based on all of the history,
much like a lot of rock stars and celebrities at
that time. But what's wild is that Charlie Sheen seems
to be real on point. I mean, I guess, like
what how did he or vibe? That is the biggest question.
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I don't understand how he survived this, you guys a miracle?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
How is he still alive?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I don't know? And I often think, like with somebody.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Like that, when you or like Keith Richards, where I'm like,
what if you never did one drug?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Do you live to two hundred?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Like what probably would have died at thirty?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Oh yeah, well that's true.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Yeah, there's some sort of preservation happening, like yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean it is a miracle, and if you are,
I do think there should be like just a little
warning at the top of this documentary, like if you
are flirting with the idea of doing crack, do not
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watch this, right because I'm.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
Just gonna push over my god. I'm like, well, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Like that.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Sounds pretty well. Actually, you know that just scene that
he laid out, You're like, I won't touch that in
my human experience. You know that whatever that feeling was
that he had while he was trying crack for the
first time and getting a blowjob, Like, right, I'm in
no danger of experiencing that in my lifetime. Yeah, but
(16:15):
but wow, you know, like if you're on the brink.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Someone's gonna he's romanticizing it. He's publicizing it in a
way that it's yeah, look, it's a pr campaign for crack.
I'm kidding. I mean, look, we've heard about it in
intervention many times. The feeling and what people how they
explain it, and it is one of those things where
you're like, that sounds amazing. Wouldn't we all like to
feel that way? Which is why it's such a dangerous drug.
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But it you know, the way that it happened with
him is so interesting because it just goes to show
you if you are, you know, such a drug user
and you're running in that in that fast crowd, you know,
it's only a matter of time before you get to
the next step. It was just a matter of time,
you know. If it wasn't that gal, that lady, you know,
(17:03):
it would have been someone else. Now you know, I'm
kind of we're gonna be skipping around. But the biggest,
the biggest takeaway for me was, oh my god, it
was the drug dealer that got him ultimately sober, Like,
oh my god, the drug dealer.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Year and a half cutting down the crack, you mean,
yeah to nothing.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I wish that we didn't know that, and I wish
that he had never told him because in my mind,
to your point, Deanna, that's when I was like, if
I'm Charlie Sheen.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I want to know that, right, I'll.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Just go get some other crack now, right, right, So, like,
I mean, he's been sober, I guess not eight years now.
He says seven or eight years at the top.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
But I both so what a way to believe you know.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
What? I was like, that's not something we should ever know, we.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Should we should have him believe that he really got
off and that's that.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Wow, that's an interesting point, damn, because.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
There's nothing preventing him in a weak moment from going out,
going out and just getting some crack that's real and
not watered down.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I mean, his will to stay sober is you know,
stopping him.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
But but an addict is an addict, is an addict,
so like that voice can sometimes be loud enough to
just start that engine running again.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
So that's why I was like, we know, I mean,
I guess I'm not sure. I think you've got a
really good point. You know, but if he's addicted, he
you know, whether he knew or not. As you said,
an addict is an addict, he would have just maybe
done something.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Else, which he did.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
He just went to alcohol, right, and then he had
to end up getting sober from that.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's an I think it's an interesting point.
And it doesn't you know, he has been up and
down so many times that did I feel he felt
one hundred percent confident that it wouldn't be No, you know,
like it's like that I'm on eight.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
He's like, I don't know if I'll make it denied.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
We'll see you know by day, you know, which is
the whole shebang, right, it's day by day, which is
how you have to keep your head. But even doing
something like this for someone like him, even within the
curation of it, you wonder what the effects of even
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putting this out there for him will be, you know,
because sobriety is so uh just it's not it's not
firm for him, you know, even with seventy eight years
under his belt.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I am impressed with the seven or eight. The you know,
it was interesting the HIV situation, how he had to
put that.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Yeah, I forgot that, guys like that, that Charlie Sheen
has HIV popped out of my head completely when I
came back up.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
I was like, oh my god, I forgot that. Did
you guys have it?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
No?
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I did remember, because he's like one of those people
in my head, like Magic Johnson, where I'm like, Okay,
he's doing fine, he's doing fine.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Like that kind of thing. Oh right.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
What was odd to me is that he knew for
a fact he'd never given it to somebody.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
And I'm like, how would you know, right?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
How would you know?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
How do you know, as Larsa would say, right.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Because the person who's in this interview seat is not
the person who was in his addiction. So it's like
and the lack of accountability. I mean, I think that
consequences came up quite a few times, and you really
do understand that, Like, it is not a gift to
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give people no consequences. Like him failing as hard as
anyone could ever fail and then being gifted a gorgeous
opportunity time and time again is just the patriarchy at
its finest, and also nepotism at its finest. And also
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like you know, it's just in Hollywood, you know, really
and truly it's really I mean, it seemed almost like
he he was blaming I think on some level the
lack of consequences on the trajectory of his life.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
On some level.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah, I think he was looking for consequences. I think
he wanted a punishment. I mean, I think that's what
that's really at the end of the day. Maybe what
he was chasing, just like, you know, make me pay
for this success somehow.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
The sabotage, Yeah, I think a few people brought that
up about the sabotage. That is interesting because in some way,
you really appreciate somebody being humble enough to be like,
I can't you know, I have this opportunity. So many
people don't get this. Do I even really deserve it
over somebody else? And I actually really respect that mindset.
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But his was so much more than just that, like
sabotaging on what level of like you know, when he
explained that story about Apocalypse Now and his dad having
that night.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Fucking God, that the fact that he was on that set.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I know, there's Heart of Darkness, which is the documentary
about everyone losing their fucking minds. Can you just imagine
being a little kid and watching everybody around you just
be off.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Well, that's why I was like, this is why we
needed eight episodes on just that. But I mean, clearly
he's not going to talk about Marlon Brando losing his shit,
you know, I mean yah, but he had to have
seen so much like I. That's where I just don't
understand how we can't get in there, right, I mean.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
But even his own father, that scene with the mirror
is iconic of Martin Sheen just fully losing his everything
and like, like, not as an actor, but as Martin
Sheen and so I'm just like, and.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So was he drunk at that time or not? And
did he have a drinking problem or not? Because I
thought that he was going down that road of saying
that his dad did have a drinking problem. But then
I was like, Oh, he's just getting into his character
and this is technique off the rails, this is Lee
Strasberg beyond.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
That's what the documentary Heart of Darkness is. It's all
about the making of Apocalypse Now and it's all about
all of them losing their minds, like literally losing their
minds and having no grounding. I mean, that's why that
movie took so long to make and there's so much
foot Like even Francis four.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Coppola is losing his mind.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
But did they say the drugs that were alcohol were
involved in that is what I'm asking yea, But was
he an alcoholic?
Speaker 4 (23:50):
I don't know if he was an alcoholic, but I
know that, like, there was a lot going on in
that set to like, and.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I don't know if there was a dicktion.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
I just know that there was a lot going on
on that right, Yes, I just like the terms of
drugs and alcohol, but.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I'm saying, like there was something.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Above that going on, that everybody was just chaos iconically,
just one of the most chaotic sets of all time.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Wow, sounds like LSD. You know, it sounds like people
were just hallucinating his balls off.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, as we moved forward in the documentary, and how
many times his father just kept giving him chance after
a chance, and the support that he gave him, and
including his brother although I don't know, I mean, I
say both of his brothers, his father and Emilia not
being in the documentary obviously there's no way, of course
they wouldn't be in that. I mean, that would be
way too painful. Now, his mom, his mom was not
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talked about really at all.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Just at the intervention, she was like, to have a
gun on you. But yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Yeah, I thought that was odd too, and I thought like, well,
maybe this is more like Charlie Sheen is protecting his
mom and his dad's in the public eye, and that's
what we want.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
To hear about. I don't know, but it was a
little weird.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
But he did say that they practice nudism, which can
be real weird when you're little.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I mean, can you imagine.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Now I have a friend his parents did and you know.
He yeah, you know, he turned out great. But like
it is, it is a it's a vibe for sure.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
I think it's it's an old school Malibu vibe because.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
It's probably true.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Yeah, there's a really great podcast called Lost Hills. It's
a true crime, but they had an episode with Rob
low and if you only want to listen to that
to get the vibe of Malibu at that time, it
was fucking wild and very blue collar. So that's the
other thing to like, because we now think of Malibu
as being like like the most wealthy, but it just
(25:59):
wasn't that. It was like like those videos of them,
like Charlie and Emilio like out there just getting concussions
on construction sites.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Like that's that was it.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
That was that was the vibe.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And that's and he did say it wasn't like you know,
it was just a regular you know, community and neighborhood.
And it is so interesting that like Sean Penn was
there and Nick Cage was there. I didn't know Rob
Lowe was there, but all these all these guys. It
made me think, well, we had that brat pack, you know,
back then, but what about this pack.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
This is like the crack pack.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
It just it really was like, why aren't why haven't
we talked about this group before?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I never even knew that they were all connected.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
That's interesting.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
When I first moved to La, I worked in Malibuy
babysat for a family that lived around the corner from
Sean Penn's parents, and they were very very close with them.
They're older, you know, obviously even twenty years ago, they
were they were old. But I wonder if he was born.
I wonder if because they they had a you know,
(27:08):
they he may have. Is Sean Penn from Malibou?
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Did he grow up? I wonder, That's what we're saying.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
They were literally they were all there. He was like
in those films too, I'm saying. And then Chris pen
Chris Penn was like Emilio. Yeah, they were all in there.
That's what's so crazy.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah. And they were also.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Quite lovely, you know, the parents. I mean they really,
you know, his parents were lovely. That Martin Sheen and
his wife seemed like it's like a lovely you know.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
It's like the too much son, I think a little
too much son.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Well, it was a very liberal time, and I don't
mean by politics I just mean by the way of life.
It was very hippie. It was very like we're nude
now or by the beach. We're living in a way
that our parents didn't and that did not bode well
for most of those people. Now it did bode well
for the entertainment world because it gifted us with a
lot of you know, great actors and things like that,
(28:02):
but at the price of I don't know of what.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
I encourage you to listen at Roblow episode because I will, Okay,
it sounds magical and horrible at the same time.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
It's called I Think It's Malibu.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
That episode is like the Land of Milks or something,
just to give you an idea of just.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Like what's going Wow, but is Robinson just left and right?
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Yeah, but like also again very blue collar, just like
it was kind of like what we think of California
now as being like like.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
We're trying anything new.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Wave healthy, but like also back then in Malibu, but
we have like twenty bucks, so it's like.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
You know, and then very rural.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
So to the fact that Martin Sheen like and decided
to move from New York and move there, like I
think he really was like, We're just going to raise
our kids in the woods and I can get to
the set quick of a movie that I you know
what I mean?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Like that was the vibe. I like that vibe.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Martin is Martin Sheen from The Bronx. Do we know?
Sorry to ask that question, but I don't know. I'm curious.
I will look that up on my own time.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Wrong.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
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All right, we are back.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
We're talking the Charlie Sheen doc obviously, and with Deanna
Chang and Emily Dresis karate Kid. He was supposed to
be the karate kid that blew my mind and his
dad being like, you gave them your word on this film.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Yeah, that's such a dad. I feel like my dad
would say the same damn thing. You Now, that's such
a dad move.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
And interesting because not only a dad move, but like
a Hollywood actor who has morals and ethics and it
just wants to raise his son right despite it being
a Hollywood thing. I mean, it's just amazing that he
did that. I don't know if it was the right
thing or wrong thing, but I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yeah, I mean it was the right thing. Ralph Macio
was ten times better for that movie.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I think, Yeah, he was. He was really meant for that.
I mean, he had a vulnerability about him that I'm
not sure that Charlie Sheen would have ever been able
to get. Yeah, I mean he was supposed to be
like the weak kid in school, you know what I mean,
Like Charlie Sheen comes off as a completely different vibe.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yeah, I'm surprised they were even going to cast him.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Yeah, I think Ralph Maccio was exact right and like
to that end. Like, it's always interesting to me when
you hear about the first choice. I can't even imagine
that now, Like it can't even imagine Charlie Sheen and
that that It's like a joke to me.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
How old would he have been in his like where
was he? That was? That was before he hit at all? Right,
that movie that was.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Yeah, Kriddaie Kid came out in eighty four and Ferris
Bueller's eighty six, so they filled Friday Kidd in eighty three.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
See it's hard because you can damn Emily. I know
she'd be really having it.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
She'd be Karate Kid two came out summer k three.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Because like he you know, it's yeah, I can mentally
get there with him, but I think to both the
points like Ralph Macio is like the big white eyes
and you know, yeah, but.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
Charlie Sheen's small.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
He's a small, small guy. It's just you know, it's
so weird how people appear. Yeah, tiny guy with a
big ass with it right, he's yes, yeah, well he
could have done it, you know.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I there were so many surprises in this movie, and
one of them was like, I didn't you know his
first child it was really like very much raised by
his parents, right, didn't know, didn't know anything about it. Uh.
The first woman that he was like like his first
wife was somebody met on that commercial? Yeah, that commercial
(37:40):
wild the Sheen versus the Sheen's versus Jordan was an
extraordinary thing to behold.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
And that was that was in eighty four, right, that
was Michael Jordan, like being like the most iconic UNC player,
like about to write, wasn't in eighty four.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I don't just say it, and don't quest in yourself,
and certainly don't ask us.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
I already questioned myself. Kredi Kid Too came out in
eighty six. Kredi Kid three is eighty nine, thank you, addendum,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
But the Jordan thing was amazing. I it just was incredible.
It was incredible.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
I mean he Martin Sheen and those sinking those shots, okay.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, and him beat like the baseball like you know
when him doing that home run when he came out
of rehab and all that other So he really is
a sportsman. Yeah, after Ferris Bueller and then it really
bumps up. He gets Wall Street and then he gets Platoon.
Now here's what I want to ask you, guys, because
I wasn't certain about this. So with Platoon, his brother Emilio,
(38:44):
from what I understood, like he okay, so Charlie auditioned.
He did a bad job. He said he did poorly,
and apparently Amelia was supposed to be in it. Then
they they pulled back on the movie and they didn't
do it for like a year and a half or two.
Then the next thing, yes, the movie was postponed, and
then yeah it was Oliver Stone.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
So then Oliver Stone's like, well, he wanted Charlie to
be in it, so then he got the part, and
then not Emilio. And then remember in that one moment
and Charlie was like acting very smug and they're like, well,
so Emilio wasn't in it or and he's like, yeah,
I meant to be, Like he got that part away
from his brother, and we know about that sibling rivalry,
(39:24):
So was that true that he got the part over
his brother because that would have caused problem.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I think Emilio was booked.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
I think it was a say he was like on
Grizzly three the Predator instead of Charlie being in Grizzly
to the Predator, like he had some other commitment and
couldn't care Timeline thank you.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
And we know Martin's not going to agree with pulling
him out of there.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
But I also think, like when you see Amelio Estevez
at that time. I mean, it looks he looks way
too much much like Martin Short in Apocalypse Now Martin Short.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Oh, why Martin Shore was in that? He must have
been phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
He was losing his was phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Must see.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Was exactly they are doppelgangers for each other.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
It would have been the weirdest director.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Choice for Oliver Stone to put Emelia Estevez in that.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
It would have just just saying, oh, you're just doing
but he was going to.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
But he was going to.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
I know.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
That's why it's so weird to think.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
Okay, guys, now, as darlings, we have reviewed the documentary
with Andrew McCarthy right where he was getting all his
brad packs together and.
Speaker 6 (40:43):
Amelia, and how do we say it's not Estevez? Like
I hate when these.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Names would get revealed, and you're like Steves, like, well,
I've been saying, why didn't anyone ever, Why would not
a PR person jump in there and get it sorted?
But he was in that, you know. So I'm wondering
timeline wise, Emily.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
When they filmed.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Like when that article came out, that, when that article
came out and when Platoon went is that what you're saying,
is that what you're going there?
Speaker 6 (41:13):
Oh no, but I am interested in that.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
I was wondering, like he chose to do that reluctantly documentary,
but he didn't choose to do his brothers, you know,
And so I'm curious which one. I wonder if that
I am just curious when they filmed the Andrew McCarthy one,
and if he was like, had a bad experience and
then was like, no, I'm definitely not doing yours either.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Charlie or Well was in eighty four, and Breakfast Club
came out in eighty five, so that's like the brad
Pack is kind of like seeing that.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, so the article had not come out when he
was originally Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, got got it.
I mean my take on Emelia not doing this documentary,
it was a no go from the start. There was
no way he was ever going to do it. He
has such dark feelings for him before his brother. His
brother put him through hell. I mean, I can't even
imagine what they've been through. So you know, with Rob Low,
(42:16):
that's light, that's nothing, that's like butter on toast. I mean,
even though like Emilio still seemed bothered by it. He did,
but I don't. I think that that doesn't even scratch
the surface when it comes to his brother. I mean,
I write yea, although his other brother who I didn't
even know existed, who is a spinning image. He's like
the amalgamation of both. Yes, so weird it is.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
I can't look at him without being like, who am
I looking at?
Speaker 6 (42:41):
It's so yild.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
I also think, like with Rob, I was surprised Rob
Blow wasn't in this, So I'm wondering if the.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
If he's because because he was at.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
The intervention, and I'm wonder like they, you know, if
there's and friends that were like, look, we talked to
Amelio and Martin and we just want to like not
co sign this because we don't know. To John Cryer's
point at the beginning, there's a pattern of Charlie like
being on top of the world and that's the tipping
(43:17):
point till he goes down. So we don't want to
co sign that. And I wonder if that there's you know,
enough people that are like.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah, that's possible.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I agree with that, But there's also something about Rob
Low had a very sticky middle there, and we don't
know how Charlie and Rob's cross pollination happened. And I
mean they who knows what happened with them? And so
that's might be a little bit too close for comfort,
you know, because Rob would have to go on there
(43:47):
and he'd be almost like outing himself in a way,
and he's not ready. He's not want to talk about
himself like he's done that. He's in a great penny.
Speaker 5 (43:55):
Yeah, he's been sitting pretty for a minute. No one's
even going back.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yeah, I didn't want to know get in there.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah. So then the Wild Things, that's such a great movie.
Not wild Things, wild Thing, Oh that's interesting. The baseball
movie wild Thing. And then she got a wild base. No, no,
the base thank you?
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Sorry?
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Oh my god, I always call out sorry.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Because that was his song. That's a song in it,
I know, I just yeah. But then Denise's movie is
Wild Things.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Right, and she comes out to the song major league.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
AnyWho?
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Wait wait, getting back to the Kelly Presson thing, I
made a notius because when we saw a reporter coming
up to her fucking door, knock atty knock.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Like that's how it was back then, you guys. They
just walked up to her house.
Speaker 6 (44:54):
They don't do that nowlor I thought she was in
a trailer? Am I tripping? Maybe it was her house?
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yeah, I saw a door trailer handle. Could am I
wrong about that? And how would they get on set?
Speaker 5 (45:09):
But I think to your point it was loose right
exactly exactly.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Yeah, I do think like there's a little bit more
consideration now for something like that. Although like the way
that it's all going down right now with Denise and Aaron,
I can't believe, like Inside Edition is giving any oxygen
to Aaron stuff and following Denise with the camera and.
Speaker 6 (45:35):
Stuff like I that's wild crazy.
Speaker 5 (45:38):
But yeah, yeah, she is amazing, like she has I mean,
I know, we haven't talked about that again. Yeah, she
the things she has been through, you know, and that
little story about her bringing the porn star her you know,
(46:01):
cheese and ham sandwiches was just the epitome of.
Speaker 6 (46:04):
Who she is.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
She is a she has a big heart and her
picker is for the streets.
Speaker 6 (46:15):
It is so bad, you know, it's like.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Lord, Yeah, I mean she you know what was interesting,
there's so much about her being a part of his
story throughout so much of his life, whereas you know
his first wife long gone, you know Brooke, I mean
(46:41):
she's there, but Denise was intrigal in terms of like
helping him realize like he's got HIV, this is not
coming off of drugs, like you know.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
There's that.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
There's the she intervened and took his children and cared
for them for a very long time. She went to
his house and when no one else could get to
him to try to like pull him back up on
some level, which hence the sandwiches. There were so many
things that she did and never like turned his back
(47:15):
on him. It's a strange thing to have that.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
Remember at that time, he was destroying destroying her publicly,
and this was grat I'm not even talking about how
bad he was in the divorce proceedings. I'm talking about
like even during the Goddesses. I mean he was just
going for broke against her. It was crazy. Publicly, he
was saying like the most horrible things, and I just
(47:41):
I like went back and looked, yeah, I mean again,
just well.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
In that she didn't engage in it. It's kind of
like a lesson on somewhere. She was like, I'm gonna
let that because everything in your body would go put
out a statement, let me get in front of a camera,
let me explain. Just it's like, I'm going I'll let
this play out. I will come at the other end
(48:06):
of this, people will understand that I was not that person,
you know, and that he's a complete lunatic.
Speaker 6 (48:15):
And it worked.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
It did work because it can't even work again because
of the things he was saying. And then that's when
she decided I'll do reality because she had nowhere else
to go. And that's when we all were like, she's
a really nice person. She's living with her father and
she has these kids, and you know, it's just it
was a really heartwarming reality show and it was the
(48:38):
beginning of reality too. And that's the end of this
partial recap of the Charlie Sheen documentary. Thank you so
much for listening. If you'd like to listen to the
entire recap, head on over to patreon dot com slash
Drama Darling. You can find Deanna's podcast. She's a substack.
It's called How to Be Less Old. It's absolutely incredible.
(48:58):
You want to all try to be less old, trust me,
and you're going to need this for your life, so
check it out. How to be lessled on substack and
the podcast is anywhere you find podcasts. Emily Dress you
can find her on Instagram m Deresas. Guys, get tickets
to my cabaret show. The link is right here in
the podcast notes. Thank you so much, you guys. This
(49:19):
was quite the recapous Yeah, all.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Right, let's drama.
Speaker 6 (49:26):
Just take a take a gummy and relax now
Speaker 3 (49:31):
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