August 22, 2025 • 61 mins
Get ready, darlings, because we’re diving into the latest drama from Orange County! Amy Phillips is joined by Emily Dorezas and Deanna Cheng. They break down scandalous allegations, exclusive insider scoops, and intense confrontations. From Gretchen’s questionable truth-telling to Katie’s alleged leaks, no stone is left unturned. We also discuss Shannon’s meltdown, Gina’s surprising outburst, and Heather’s unexpected moments of authenticity. Plus, who knew airboats in a swamp could look so…wrong? Don’t miss our take on the upcoming lie detector tests and more! Tune in for a wild ride.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Drama Darling Drama Darling Drama Darling.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Well, hello and welcome in, Darlings. This is going to
be quite a ride today we're talking Orange County, so
welcome in everybody. I have an exclusive announcement for my
Patreon subscribers which I will be heading over and popping
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(00:40):
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(01:02):
let me welcome in some of my two fabulous co hosts.
We've got Diana Chang and Emily Theresa's Hi ladies, Hello, Hillo,
Hi gl how's it going. Are you guys excited to
talk about Orange County?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah? What is happening?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I didn't listen last week and apparently something went down
on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Oh this show?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Oh yeah, all right, Diana.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
So I will say this. As I was watching the
episode last night, I was like, oh, Amy, you nailed
your assessment last situation last week, Thank you. It was
almost I'm like, is does she have insider information?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So I didn't have any insider information, and so this
goes to show every once in a while, you know,
you get it right, You just get it right sometimes,
and yeah, I still love the mystery. But okay, let
me let me.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Give her one thing. So Emily Amy had to take
a nice big pause. I accept Gretchen fully. I don't.
I don't question her. I accept what she says. I
like when she does this with her hair fifty times
an episode and I get lost in that.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Lost blinded by her hairdoo, I am.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
But Amy really really was able to drill down on
Gretchen's reaction when Tamera positioned this situation with the drugging
in New Orleans and in New Orleans, and she was like, oh,
I think Gretchen may have been lying because of how
(02:47):
she reacted and what she did in her body language.
And you just really drilled down on Gretchen's reactions where
I was like, oh, I think Gretchen is completely having
an authentic reaction. She's back on the show because she
can't do this. You were feeling like, I think that was.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
She busted, Yeah, she was busted. Yeah, And because Shannon
and Tamra were giving Gretchen the opportunity, like they weren't
believing it that she said that, and so Gretchen had
no First she thought she was busted, so she was paused,
like oh my god. And then Shannon was like, I
(03:23):
can't believe it, and she's now she's lying about you,
and Tarama's like, yeah, she said that. I don't believe
it either, And that second, Gretchen had to not admit
it because she wasn't busted. They weren't saying you did this.
They were saying, we don't believe that you did this,
and so she had no choice but to go along
and lie. So she was like, I can't believe this
(03:48):
is happening. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Well so, but there were two There were two hearts
of the matter.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So there's the Emily, I think you're missing the point.
You're missing the point. You're celebrating me exposing. So let's
take a second.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Right, you're one hundred percent right about Amy being thirty
percent right, Okayna, So let's.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Just take a second and celebrate how I called that,
and then we can move on to the other things.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
So I did, and I did, and yeah, you really
fast forwarded that. Y.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
You know what I say? A win for me is
a win for the darlings. But apparently Emily wants her
scratches on the board separately. So go ahead, Emily, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Where is this board? Where is this board? Because I
need to see this score all right, and.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
I'm going to take one win. If we're looking at our.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Scratches, oh okay, yes, if.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
You don't mind, like, if we're looking at our scratches
really quick. I said that that Shannon can't do back
to back seasons of anything because she hasn't had time
to regroup and time to deal with her hair. She
hasn't got like she'd never outfits ready, she'll never make
up set up like she is not lu Ane. Lu
(05:04):
Ayne can go from a dating show to this show,
to Traders to that to the other. She doesn't need
a break. She's gonna be lifting her.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
She's gonna be to show up barefoot. She doesn't care,
no problem.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
She's put me on a plane, get me there, I'm here,
Put me on a plane, get me there, I'm here.
I'm doing this. That Shannon needs a proper season to
collect herself.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
To get the extensions replaced.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Everything hydrate, right, So I am just seeing this woman
so set up for failure without that time, without her,
she can't do this turnaround time. And I thought this
episode also she wasn't able to get a cloth through
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her hair, and that I blame on back to back.
I do stay really firm on that. So I'm gonna
give myself some thing. It's just more of the same.
It's not like I didn't uncover a mystery.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I want your flowers.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I want to scratch. If it's a vl you got,
you know, to scratch, you gotta scratch.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Great, great, great great. Now I am like, this storyline
is so bonkers to me, because as if it wasn't
confusing enough, then we peel back more and more layers
as we continue on, and then by the end of it,
we've got Slade coming in here saying telling Katie at
some point to stick to the script because.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
And then we got slaid Slade with that fucking mustache.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well that's a whole other that was. That was a
jump scare, And you know what I thought that was
At first, I thought he was using one of the filters. Yeah,
like a mustache filter. So I was like, oh, okay,
so he's just trying to be funny, and then it
was still there, and then I was like, oh, he's
really committed to this filter. Maybe he's got like a
(06:58):
ZiT on his chin or a ZiT on his face.
He doesn't want to show to be the reveal that
he actually has. That was not okay. So off off camera,
Slade said to Katie to stick to the script. So
at one point when we got that quick rewind, when
Katie was like asking the producer interconfessional, so was this
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the point where I was protecting Gretchen? I was like,
you've got to be kidding me. Liar face, liar face, liarface.
Everywhere you turn there's a liar face. And do it again,
lio face, liaface, because like, here's the deal. I am
not Gretchen and Jen with this fakery that they're putting
(07:40):
out there is throwing me down on the ground because
they are just they're just fully lying. They are fully lying.
And then Katie was lying and now I don't even
know where to go.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
What do you guys, what's this crying about? Something else?
Katie is denying that she went to the.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Press right and that's a lie.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
She ever said anything, and.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
That's a lie, right, Okay, jen Istacing is lying for Gretchen.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Okay, And this is all what Katie is saying. So
you also have to think, like, was Katie is you know,
I don't know, do we believe Katie?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
This is absolutely okay. So I believe that Gretchen one
hundred percent said all those things at that dinner to
everyone that she woke up in the morning she had
to go to the hospital, and so it left maybe
she didn't say rufie. I don't think she said rufie.
I think she said everything but rufie. Like I woke
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up in the morning, I had to go to the hospital.
They found drugs in my system. That's what she said.
She didn't say rufie, right, But she didn't say the
word rufie, which is why that's where you when you
say a lie to heaven, right exactly Jesus died for
that exact thing, you know. Yeah, So I think that
(09:08):
Katie said rufie to Kiki, And I think so Katie
can say I didn't say that to her because she
didn't say the word rufie. And so that's the part
that's like, but she's lying that she didn't say anything
to Kiki, but on Gretchen's then Gretchen's lying in her
(09:29):
confessional about whether she went to the hospital or not.
And in the back of the car when that huge
reveal was when Tarma's like, did you say ever? Did
you ever say it to a hospital? And she's like well,
and I'm like, wait, she just admitted that she had
(09:50):
to go to the hospital. And then in the confessional
she's like, I didn't go to the hospital, but I
should have. Girl. Okay, See that's where.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
I was like, Watchen, is that dumb? Why is she
saying this to Tamra?
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Well?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, right, well.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Was so confused.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yes, okay. One thing that was really crazy and because
I just want to say this part about Jen because
Jen got busted out on this episode because last episode
when it was brought up about the roofing and the
the sorry not the roofing but the naked wasted, wasn't
(10:29):
it Jen who said, oh, I don't even know what
that is.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Yes, right, So we watched the show, right, watch the show,
and now this episode we know had a proper sit
down with Gretchen and Slade at a restaurant and they
went over naked wasted beat by beat.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Unbelieved Jen was naked wasted by beat.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Okay, I just wanted to get that out and we
can go on. I just wanted to pull Jen's like
moment out.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You know, so you believe Katie that multiple that that
Jen and Ryan were also at that dinner and that
was what they want that everyone was told.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
We don't know that, but just Katie, you've even admitted
that on this episode. Jen said, yeah, she was at
the dinner where they talked about it.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah did she Okay, yeah, yeah, everyone's in agreement that
they were at this dinner, but they're not in agreement
about what was said.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Okay, why would Gretchen not do you think that she's
Are you guys thinking that Gretchen is fully live? If
we're going to say that they went over, then the
beats of naked waisted and it was alluded to that
drugs were involved, why wouldn't Gretchen want you.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
She doesn't want to get sued. Because she doesn't want
to get sued. I think it's all about lawsuits, because
if you make an accusation like that that you got
drugged by somebody, I mean, hello, you know we're talking.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, Rusia, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
So I absolutely think that Gretchen is lying to save
her ass from a lawsuit. So why she would be
so reckless to come and tell that story to two
housewives on the current show, that she's allowing them to
jump to conclusions which she wants them to do. To
(12:39):
think that Damra roofeed her. She's putting it out there.
Why she would be to say these things to these
housewives because you can't trust a housewife. It's going to
come out.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
So you guys think she wasn't rufeed? Is that what
you're saying? That that part is totally made up? The
drug part?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I think, oh, I think that she absolutely did not
roofy Gretchen. And I don't know what she's talking about
when she says she went to the hospital and she
got a well Katie saying she said she went to
the hospital, she got a toxicology report and there were
drugs found in her system. I believe Katie. I'm sorry,
I just am believing Katie. What do you guys?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
So, I don't think that Katie's flying about this. I
do think that Katie's in over her head and because
of that, right, it's very guarded with what she's getting
accused of, because I think she's just fearful. But I
think that maybe Gretchen did have drugs in her system.
(13:43):
I don't know where they were from, right, And that's
also where she's kind of finding like a safe harbor.
Like she's like, I was with these people, I went home,
I got really sick, and the next day I went
to the hospital, and drugs in my system. She's saying,
here are the dots. It's up to you guys to
connect exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
She's safe, yeah, exactly. And then she got busted. And
why you think you'd never get called out for that
is unbelievable to me, Like you don't.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Think she was trying. If so, if she got there
were because it doesn't make sense to me if she
was completely lying about drugs in her system, that's like,
I don't get that, right, So we're saying that we
think there were drugs in her system at this point.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
She no, I'm not saying that. I don't. She may
have lied about that to Katie, but I think that
what Katie is saying is what Gretchen told her.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
But I think what you were saying about loss applied
makes more sense to me because there's a world in
which because Gretchen did impress charges back then, Like let's
say she was slipped something not a roofye per se
pop brownie whatever, I don't know, drugs, but let's say
(15:03):
she was slitt something.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Danna kidding, kidding, kidding, of course.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
No, no, but like or even like a xanax. It's
gonna make her drunker, you know, or something like that.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
So maybe that was.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Slipped to her, but she didn't press any charges. So
now she can't go there's no case for her to
go forward with. But maybe it was true, you know,
so she's telling these girls the truth, but she never thought.
But yes, to your point, like you would have to
write in blood, you can never bring this up on
(15:42):
camera because if you do, or to a blogger, and
why are we calling podcasters and radio host bloggers, you know,
I don't like that. But and that's a separate issue
and that's over to the side. But you would have
had to be so clear with them like this can't
(16:04):
This is for information as to why Tamra's evil, and
you guys should side with me when I show up
on the show but it can never be spoken to
because I can't prove it at this point.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
But do you also think that Katie didn't, Like she's
saying these things naked and wasted happen a million years ago.
She's probably assuming it's almost irrelevant and that people already
knew that maybe, and or let's say that Gretchen said
this to them in a let's like we're really getting close,
(16:39):
I'm going to disclose this thing. Then what have Katie
and Jen told Gretchen that they were all feeling that
open about. I'm like, she probably knows some shit too,
So I think.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Like, which is maybe why Jen is having her back
blindly and lying along with her.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Yeah, else because they want to take down Tamra. I
think Gretchen is on this show to take down Tamera.
That's why she's back.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
And Jen is furious with her, so she's going to
do anything she can to get back at Tamra certainly.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
And Katie. I do believe Katie's tragic flaw is that
she approached this show as a dirt seeker, right bone
collector that had ammunition, like instead of just coming on
and having whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Experience made messy moves. She's moved messy and now she's
moved messy again, so she really can't be trusted. And
now the other girls, you know, she she's in the
middle of this, and she was used kind of as
a pawn, and that's sort of what I think somewhat,
I don't know. It's like, was she used as a pawn?
(17:57):
But at the same time, but she's responsible for her action,
So let me just take that back. I mean, she
was obviously told this information allegedly allegedly for all of this,
by the way, and then she went to Keiki Monique
and told her, but she used the word roofie. And
then Keki was like, I'm not gonna say anything about
(18:18):
this because roofing, that's that's that's a real legal matter.
If that's what the accusation is, We're not gonna talk
about this. I'm not going to bring this up. That's
insane and uh. And so then when Keki brought it
up to Tamra, she's probably like, hey, by the way,
this is circulating, you better watch your back. You might
(18:39):
have another lawsuit coming your way because you're being accused
of getting of roofing somebody. And I don't know if
this is going to surface, but like heads up. And
then then that's when Katie got in trouble because it's
like you you're going around saying this like you made
it up, but she didn't make it up. And that's
what came out later that she was she was protecting
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Gretchen at that point and that's why she didn't say anything.
That's why she didn't call Kiki at that time. Right.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Well, yeah, and also that's Katie's move too, like she's
never going to pull the phone out and call somebody.
We saw that at the spot also, right.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
And she has said out loud, I am I approached
this incorrectly and I have been acting a fool.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
But in the car in the remember when she was
like if I called Kiki she wouldn't and asked her,
did you did you lie? She's gonna she's not gonna
say I lied, Right, So then that's suspicious too.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Well, then she's calling Kiki a liar, right, So now
she's calling me a liar and that is not great,
Like yeah, I mean it's basically no, I don't know
that's that.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
That's that actually threw me out, like because it sounds
like more of a misunderstanding of verbiage more than it is, Oh,
Kiki's lying and Katie's lying. It's more like Katie was
relaying exactly what she heard and then embellished it a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
To somebody who would get the word out. Yeah, so
it's messy. You know, she didn't say it. She said
it to be.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
A gotcha right, Yeah, she sure did, and she got busted.
It's too much to follow when you go outside of
the realm and you start involving bloggers and stories. I
don't like this type of story. I really love it.
I'm annoyed actually right now, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I'm not. I love it, and I've said it before.
I love it. It's so old school Hollywood and old
school politics about the leaks and the you know, I
kind of love it.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
You don't like giving, Okay, I'd rather argue about Lisa
not on following Marcus. I mean at this point because
by the end of this, I'm like, this.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Is Katie's ninth leak story. Yeah that didn't happen. That's
where it's hilarious because like, well, clearly Katie, right gotta yeah,
you got it. We know you are new to all
the people you're leaking to. They they have much bigger,
better connections with the gals that have been on here
(21:15):
for one hundred years. So if they're going to talk
to the veterans and tell them exactly what went down,
and that is where I'm like, Katie, you're lying. That's
what I think she's lying about over and over again.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Absolutely, she cannot be trusted with anything. Talk about thirsty
to have to go to multiple people and bloggers and
like the Bravo Babe, that whole thing happened, Yeah, I mean,
and why would that was?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Why would have that was the spa phone call? That
on Instagram?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
That's right, that's right, the Bravo Babe was the spat
spa phone call? And and what what would the Bravo
babe have to gain by lying about this? She didn't
asked to be brought into this, you know, it's like
why And same with Kiki. Why would she be want
to be brought into this? So she's the one who's
(22:10):
reaching out.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
They're the ones getting contacted, right, right, Like they're Bravo
Babe or whoever's just sitting there doing their things acording
this concept and right they're catching shrapnel from the housewives
because they're just sitting there. It's not like somebody's like
hiding in Emily's bushes and like, oh I got the scoop.
(22:33):
It's like they're.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Getting connections and yeah, there's there's I think it just
is less like I like and I as we sit
here being these people, we are also them. So we're
all talking about Bravo, right, but like there's no thirst
on this platform, but there is thirst to be involved.
(22:56):
So they may show up at places, they may be
going to, you know rips, the three Amigo three Amigo
shows trying to you know, screens, the Amigo screening is
trying to sidle up, Like I just I feel like
after the Monica thing in Salt Lake City, that felt
(23:19):
so crazy. It's like an insider blowing the lid off,
and I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Well by the way I mean, it's just that I
don't feel like we always need that because it ends
up being spoilers for the show, for one, and because
we're going to see it play out and I'd love
to see them just call each other out for their
own lives. Then the Hearsay thing, well, I think like
to Emily's point, you know, now we're in a situation
(23:48):
where because there are multiple people involved on the outside,
these things are getting exposed about these housewives. They're getting
exposed for all their lives.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Now what also keeps everybody relevant in the off season,
which I do think for better or for worse, is
good for Bravo, you know, whether or not it lands
on their show. It's like, I mean, how when was
the last season of New Jersey? And like we talk
about New Jersey all the time because they are that
(24:19):
the Bravo sphere keeps it pumping and litera leaks and
it keeps it going. And then like eventually like Bravo's
going to have to put that show back on because
we need to like play out and.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
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my notes. I didn't I have put my glasses on
because they're on my notes app. Last night, I was like,
I can't I get out my computer. I'm just gonna
do it from my phone. Okay, slaves Mustache, that's number one,
number two, You'll never see my face again. Love that flashback.
That's my favorite line ever. I quote it all the time.
(33:18):
It's my favorite line I think of all times. Also,
the run Run, and it's such a large.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Stays, the widest shot of all time. Yeah, she's so tiny,
little mouse, scurring.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Little mouse, and she's running across that marble. And then
Shannon in this suit like that that cheetah, that leopard
suit or whatever in the back seat just kind of
she's got it buttoned up, so you know when you
button up a blazer and you sit down, and she
she's like not really sitting, she's kind of leaning back.
(33:54):
It was so funny in the back seat of that
sprinter van. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 4 (33:58):
It looks so comfortable, she is not sorted.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
There you go when back in the day, like when
when they would be filming in like the thirties and forties,
and these gowns you would have leaners where you would
like almost like a stand. You put your feet down
and it would like hold you in place.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Like a doll stand.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Yeah, like a doll stand, so you could lean back
and not like wrinkle your dress. And I always think
about that. For the reunion, I was like, no, they
need those in those sprinter vans for Shannon, because I
totally it was all bunched up, like bunched leaner alert.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Well, when Tamra leaves New Orleans, they are all so passed,
they are all so passed about it, like you know,
and I know that she was out of control. But
I started thinking about this and I was like, I
don't know, man, nobody really cared too much about the
fact that her best friend is extremely ill and that
(35:03):
that's taking a toll on her. I like, I think.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
There's a lot I think with them, though with Tamra,
it's like everything is something. There's always a force around
Tamra that today is not the day to fuck with Tamra.
And I get the teddy thing and I get the
daughter thing, but I think what she's finally actually feeling
raw emotion now that she's going through therapy and stuff
(35:28):
and the xanax. So I just think like they I
don't know if that anger about her leaving was like
real real. I got the vibe that that was kind
of bullshit. I think they were like, good, you need
to go.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Well, I agree, yeah, I think they were. She also
like Shannon had had a really hard year last year
and Tamra rode her ass into the ground. So she
has nothing in the bank she did. I think that
that's the whole thing is in.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Terms of allies, you mean, in terms of ali in.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Terms of goodwill, like there's nothing in the bank. There's
no grace for her in the.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Bank, right, I mean, Heather was the only one who
really did do something. And when they finally met after
like they got back and Tamra's like, nobody nobody touched me,
nobody got touted it, and Heather was like excuse me,
and she just really got firm with her.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I was like, Okay, look at her phone, like it's
gonna drill down on this. There are written receiats here.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Right.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
This is why I think that the rage over Tama
leaving was not legit, because this was a clear substance
issue with Tama in terms of the drinking and something
else at the time, they didn't no, And I'm like,
if they were actually mad, Shannon would have been dragging
her so hard, because she'd have every right to, because
(37:08):
Tamar went in so hard for the exact for drinking
and substance abuse or whatever overall substance abuse, and then
she they were both They were all just kind of
like fae enraged to me because.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
And because she didn't stick around, no one really had
the opportunity the next day to sit down with her
and be like, you know, last night, there were extracurricular
things influencing your behavior and that was unacceptable to us.
But now let's get down to why you got to
that point and how sorry we are about your situation,
and let's talk about it so that this doesn't happen again.
(37:46):
Because you heard a lot of people last night, you know,
I mean, tamer didn't give them the opportunity to do that.
She just left, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, And there was no I mean, they were all
so thrown by it because that because usually like Tamra
doesn't like go inward and quietly call you a bit,
she's screaming at you. It was just so off for her.
They were all reading it like, what is happening? Right, like.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Scream at me? You know, yeah, yeah, this is just
weird Bizarro Tamera Bizarrow, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah, strange. Well all right, so so Gina called the journalist,
the credible journalist. We don't know who that is, no,
we do not.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Yeah, I would like to know the credible journalist, Derinda.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Is that who we think it is?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
I mean, I was making a joke about that last
last week, but I don't think it was. I think
I have an idea, but I don't even want to say.
But but there are so many people in that realm
that I think, you know, like it wouldn't matter if
you said it or not. You probably don't know them
or know the connection or doesn't matter, you know. So
(39:10):
but she called a credible journalist and to verify and
they said that, yeah, Katie called Kiki, right, that's that's yeah,
and verified camera. So then Shannon and then then we
go to the airboats and Shannon is calling is that Gina?
And she's crying about being late to the airboats? I
(39:33):
don't know who was crying and what was that all about?
She was having an anxiety attack?
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yeah, well she was late, right, Gina was putting that together,
and so she called Gina. I just got the vibe
that I was like, man, I think Shannon does this
a lot.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Yeah, oh yeah, they were all so. I mean to
see her teeter tattering in those heels to get on
a boat that's going to be gliding through the muddiest now,
you know, I go veryl swamp literal swamp to have
and I go hot and cold with Heather. But to
(40:10):
have her in a swamp, it was not right.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
I was like, Heather, none of that was right, that
none of them on that boat was right.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
I agree, Okay, it was not okay, Like you couldn't
see one inch down, it was mud water with alligators.
I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I didn't know. I thought that was very I mean,
I give him all credit for showing up to do
this work, because that looked like a horrific I would
not want that experience. No, thank you. An air boat
he's he is. That driver opened it up and just
ripped across that water.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
I would maybe do it personally, but I was just like,
we're so in the weeds on this literally, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
It's the grassy, wet weeds.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
And for Shannon to be in those heels, which I
don't feel like it should be teeter tottering in the
heels and late it's giving Lisa like these people who.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Are cue it was it was Lisa, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Who you know, bibbity boppity in with like is there
senses even any sunscreen? It's like, get out of here.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Also, what was what was she crying about over the
phone and what was the anxiety attack about? We never
found out.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
J Shannon Shannon Shannon, she.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Said, because Gina had an amazing meltdown which looked like
to me, very real, like off camera stuff. This was
about like you didn't show up for your call time
and we're sitting on this fucking alligator air boat in
nasty weather waiting on your ass. And she was like
(42:07):
too many things, too many things.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
You know, it's still the night after the camera departure,
so that right right still, I think that's what she's
upset about. Because also Tamar calls her. We don't know
did she go to Tamra at four am? She didn't
right or before the four am flight, because remember she
(42:31):
said Tamara texted me to come up to her room.
Oh and Shannon said that, yeah, like but I don't. Yeah,
that's that was like right at the top, there's a
flashback to them riding back from the dinner and Shannon
is looking at her phone and she's saying, Tamra just
texted me to come up to her room. She's gonna
(42:52):
fly out at five am. No cameras, don't bring cameras.
And so I just wondered if she did go up there.
I don't know. There's a lot going on. And Shannon,
to Deanna's point, she needs her she needs her rest,
she needs her downtime sy regroup. When she put those
lashes on in a moving vehicle like that, I was like.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Proper you, that is impressive. That is next level, like
and and and what do you need a glam squad
for If you can do that like this is I'll
tell you what. That was impressive. That's the next challenge.
We should do that for housewives, you know, challenge them
to do something and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
All the time. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
It take out your extensions on this wobbling discs on
the airboat.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Yeah, while alligators are clipping at your heels.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
I did love the deadbeat alligator dads. That was really funny.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
They move really quickly. When they move alligators, So I mean.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Mm hmmm, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
That's not nothing to be out there with them so intimately,
you know, because they agrees. Yeah, she's scared of water, swamps, alligators,
all of the above.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Every I'm scared of everything. I don't know why I
planned these. It was weird because she's the one who
planned it. What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Yeah, she was wearing their logo. She had their sweatshirt
on in the last scene of the episode because I
was like the old school logo and then she was
wearing it again. I was like, Okay, I'd do a sweatshirt.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
It's also very they got ripped off because they didn't
see any big alligators and I was disappointed too. They
didn't get to see anything.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
What what do you want them shoving them out of
the forest.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Like I don't know, emotic, but like, why are we
doing these Why are we doing these tours if you're
not going to see it? We have three three three?
I mean I think it was the same one three times.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Well we didn't go to the mall.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah, but they even said, well I think they would
have shown us more, like we didn't see any big
fat ones. We didn't get a fatty photo of an
alligator like afund.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
For their free airport boat ride. Please send am a sweatshirt.
Please don't I send it to so she'll give it
to me. Thanks you.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
So then they go to dinner and oh my god,
at the bar, and when Gina was choking on an oyster,
what and how were fighting? I could not believe that
that was like a cart that was okay.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
Okay, I have to say something.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
You have.
Speaker 4 (45:51):
Publicly flogged me for not knowing Emily and Gina's names
and who they are.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Sorry, but you just.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
Said Heather and camera. So it is well, you know
what books, Okay, come up with Emily's name.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Fair enough, it's not. I mean, I am completely caught
and I you're right to do this. You're right to
do this. Not only that, but I have it in
my notes as camera too. So it's even doubly worse.
Not even there, she's not even there. She's not even
there with their therapist. It nobdy tested me, tested me after.
Speaker 4 (46:36):
She's quit the show. Yet we've seen her, like we
were halfway through the therapy session and I was like, oh,
she's back, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (46:45):
She was not gone, that was quick. So Gina and
Gina's choking on an oyster while Heather and Emily are See.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
You think it's easy because they've been with us for
twenty five years, but it's not that easy. It's just not.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Well, you caught me at a at a weak moment.
Let's just say that. Okay. Now, Gina comically being able
to come out of this, you know, situation and say hello,
is anybody there to help me? So amazing. And not
(47:27):
only that, not only that, but for Heather to jump
out of that fight addressed Gina with the proper medical
terminology of the actual muscle that is, uh have heard that? Yeah,
that is used. That is there when you choke, she said,
(47:48):
is you're perstaciless not working correctly?
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Wow? And I was like, wait what Heather seems like
like a little like above everybody, Like she's so chill
and like one of us, as.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
If she's not in the scene. No one jumped up
and tried like threw an arm over her for at
least attempted a Heimlich when the word. She wanted to
show that she knew that word.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
Well as she's gonna do. She learned it on like
a sitcom back in the eighties when when you are
making sound and Gina was, you're not choking choking, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (48:32):
You know you're right if you can talk.
Speaker 4 (48:35):
So they had to. You know, I enjoyed because Emily,
and I know, Emily, you're in Emily here, but I
don't ever like even kind of think of your Emily
and her Emily. It's two different names as far as
I'm concerned, I like, like deeply two different names. So
(48:56):
Emily does go for Heather and mock her openly at
all times. And the fact that Heather was like fed up,
I enjoyed. You know, it was a fun little Heather knockout.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Great in this episode. I don't know if you guys noticed,
but I really felt like we saw sides of her
that we don't normally see, like some real stuff when well,
this trip.
Speaker 4 (49:23):
Has beaten her down because it's so down to the ground,
low low low, like we're just we're in swamps, like
she can't there's nothing that she can do but to be.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
Also, but with the drama that's going on itself, she
is really like.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
About her right, and she's a sidecar.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
And she's actually saying some really good things and like
and not in a condescending way, like I feel like
she is definitely in it to win it, and it's
I don't know, I just maybe it's the CA trip.
Maybe when she gets immersed, that's what it is. I
think she's best. She really flourishes on cast trips, and.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
It's not her cast trip. That's the other thing. She's
not in charge.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
Yeah, she hasn't done a million branding things. And yeah, no,
she always starts. I always go through this with her,
where at the beginning of the season she rubs me
raw because she's coming into it with her affectation. And
then this group, as we've discussed many times, is just
(50:34):
so not on her level financially, it's not what she
would choose. And eventually the Syracuse comes out and she
settles in.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Yeah you know, yes she really. Yeah, mid to mid
season she starts to really loosen up a little bit
during the cast trip. It's nice.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
Yeah, because also like with that ranch trip they went on,
I like tor like it was her trip and she
was super fun and shot.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah, she was really there for Gina.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
Yeah, whereas like the trip that I'm remembering recently that
was hers wasn't that fashion show involved at the winery
and she was like, you know, like insulting Emily and
not even aware of it, and like, you know, like
those kinds of moves.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Right, it was like Richard Marx and like the winery
owners and all that stuff. Right, But you know, we
also love to see that too. So it's like we
have to compartmentalize now. When when it was Gina versus Gretchen,
we have Gretchen won't listen at all when it comes
to Katie, but Gina would listen when Gretchen would talk
(51:43):
about Tamra. So Gina is coming for Gretchen. This was unexpected.
This was a fight that I did not see coming,
and I very much enjoyed it. And then she said,
Gina said to I think it was it. Who did
Gina say, makes you think you did say something about Badoor?
Was she talking to Katie or Gretchen? Yeah, I'm Katie right.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
Katie thought, okay, I thought, I think I don't know exactly,
but I think I thought, wait, say it again.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
She said, you makes me think you did say something
about Badoor, Shannon Badoor about what? Well, she didn't say,
and that's why we're trying to figure out who she
was addressing, because she was she was coming for Gretchen.
But I think she must have been angling that toward
toward Katie. And I don't know how that all came.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
Well because Shannon is so hurt by Katie, and Katie
keeps being like, I mean, what's her problem? You know, like,
and even though Shannon has told her problem and everybody,
and then Katie keeps showing up like I don't know,
I don't know, and it's like, well, we've told you
and you keep lying about it. Yeah, And the thing
that we all agree on across the board is we
(52:59):
don't we what happened. We keep things insulated and you
keep leaking shit, right, So I think that that is
what that was all about. And it's like Katie like that,
I think that's what.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
I think. You're right. I think I think it was
like Gina was coming for Gretchen first, and then Gretchen
and Katie kind of having an ally ship. It's making
Gina think, wait a minute, what about you, kat It's
making me think you actually did do something. And Shannon
was so delighted. She looked like she just had a
piece of chocolate pie. She was like, oh, I was
(53:33):
expecting you to turn in my corner. Okay, But how
about Gretchen then saying that Katie's never done anything to
her and yelling Tamra has done something to everyone at
this table, slamming her hand.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
Wowy afterthought slam.
Speaker 6 (53:55):
After thoughts Yeah, uh was yeah, which shows that Gretchen
is going to take the opportunity to take Tamra down
when she can.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
That's what that's telling me.
Speaker 4 (54:09):
Yes, she's really leaning into the which was sort of
telling after Gina exposed the conversation, like that she had,
you know, done some fact checking. Yeah, and Gretchen was like, well,
who cares?
Speaker 2 (54:25):
You know?
Speaker 4 (54:26):
And you know, was like, if you don't care that
she's telling someone outside that you were Roofie, then you
don't care. She's like, no, no, it's not that I
don't care, you know what I mean. But Katie's never
done any you know. She went into that whole thing, and.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
Which I was like, why isn't anybody saying you like
you've known Katie for ten minutes? Like true, I get
that you do have a point with Tamra, but it's
like you don't know Katie, right, We're all trying to
tell you something, right, Yes.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
Listen up. Gina makes a really really good point, and
then Heather brings the point home by saying, look, we're scared,
and we've talked about this. You know what happens next Katie,
and Katie is just as if she's at a business meeting.
Yes we did, we did talk about that. Yeah, yep, yep.
And it's just wild how she can be so uh
(55:14):
and ambivalent, and her ambivalence is her strength because you
just she would be an amazing poker player because you
can't tell, you just can't tell.
Speaker 4 (55:25):
Well, going back and watching the conversation between when Katie
was like talking about it at that table last episode,
I think we had a flashback, and now with the
new information, I'm watching her look at Jen like, m
is this girl really leaving me out to dry? And
(55:46):
then looking over to Gretchen so mm hmm. When you
rewatch it, your analysis was correct, Amy, and then seeing
like what we were what gets revealed here on this episode,
I'm like, oh, Katie is shocked that these girls are
and she's just like I, which she said to your husband, like,
(56:07):
I think she's like, I have no moves, I have
no moves.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
And again I just say Amy twenty percent right, but
Dan one hundred percent right. Amie's analysis.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
Good job, Dienna, Okay, we never did get down on
your knee?
Speaker 3 (56:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (56:24):
What that was?
Speaker 3 (56:25):
I got the math over here. I'm still running the numbers.
It might might be a few more, but we'll get there.
Deanna's winning, So good job, Dianna put another.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
Put another mark. Okay, it's a grade.
Speaker 4 (56:42):
Oh yeah. I think Katie's just like frozen and just
we're seeing a person who has no moves, so they're
still and they're just.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
Waiting it out, and they have no allies. She's on
an island by herself, right.
Speaker 3 (56:57):
I wonder if Katie went into all this when she
got hired. She's like, I'm coming in very fresh. I
don't know jack shit. She and then she was like,
I'm just going to build a like you said Dana,
like an arsenal of information on everyone as a backup,
backup plan, not realizing that that's going to be everything.
(57:20):
Like she really didn't expect to be called out on
any of this. It was only like in an emergency
situation she could pull one of these cards. And now
it's like, no, You've like she said she handled it wrong,
But I do wonder if she had intended to do
that this way.
Speaker 4 (57:38):
I think that's a good point. I think it lands
somewhere in between that and this may be her default
as a person, and even though we find her likable,
it might be one a flaw. You know, that this
is how she approaches things. But I do think she
(57:59):
came in like I because she came at to brow heavy.
Speaker 2 (58:04):
Right, and that right, I'll so off putting. Katie made
mistakes as a new housewife coming in, you know, and
that's why you always want to give housewives a second season,
to give them another chance. And in between those seasons,
she's really biffed it by going to these bloggers. So,
you know, I don't know what she's not learning, but
(58:26):
she's she has done everything she possibly could to, like,
you know, really throw a wrench into best practices. Yeah,
and now she's at a real dead end. But by
the way, when she was sitting with her husband Matt
and they were going over what happened at the Masters,
and Slade was there and she was like, so he
(58:48):
brought this up. He brought up naked wasted to you, right?
What did he say? And Matt said, well, I can
say this. You didn't make it up, and that's all
that needs to be said.
Speaker 3 (58:58):
She didn't make Yeah, it's like you're but you're not
wrong about that, and so I think Katie's drilling down
on like, but that was the most important thing. I
wasn't wrong, right, I wasn't wrong, And it's like, no,
you were so incorrect. It's like both things can be true,
both things, like one of these things can also not
be true and the other one is true. Like it
doesn't cancel everything out right.
Speaker 2 (59:20):
Yeah, So now it looks like Kiki is going to
be on camera next week, so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 4 (59:27):
Yeah, lie detector tests. Oh right, but now see that
a lie detector?
Speaker 3 (59:33):
No, and Dan I said to Amy when we saw
that trailer, I was like, I don't like that. Like
I like the idea of like leaking stories and everything
that does put us in a world of entertainment and
that is their reality. What I don't like is the
lie detector because now it feels like a game show
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or just a world that like what are where are
we entering? Now? I don't love it.
Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
If we can fright, it's like, well now that's what
we can use. Now that that's been entered into the chat,
we can use that at any time, which is not fun.
Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Well, and we all know that like light detector tests
aren't accurate, so that could really mess things up. Yeah, okay,
well all right, what a completely wild episode.
Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
I'm also like, can't wait to see how they all
agreed to take a lie detector jest, because I.
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Wouldn't Well, it depends on Yeah, I wonder if they
were given questions beforehand and then would agree with it.
I don't know. All right, well maybe that'll be next week.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Well, hello and welcome in, Darlings. This is going to
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let me welcome in some of my two fabulous co hosts.
We've got Diana Chang and Emily Theresa's Hi ladies, Hello, Hillo,
Hi gl how's it going. Are you guys excited to
talk about Orange County?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah? What is happening?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I didn't listen last week and apparently something went down
on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Oh this show?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Oh yeah, all right, Diana.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
So I will say this. As I was watching the
episode last night, I was like, oh, Amy, you nailed
your assessment last situation last week, Thank you. It was
almost I'm like, is does she have insider information?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So I didn't have any insider information, and so this
goes to show every once in a while, you know,
you get it right, You just get it right sometimes,
and yeah, I still love the mystery. But okay, let
me let me.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Give her one thing. So Emily Amy had to take
a nice big pause. I accept Gretchen fully. I don't.
I don't question her. I accept what she says. I
like when she does this with her hair fifty times
an episode and I get lost in that.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Lost blinded by her hairdoo, I am.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
But Amy really really was able to drill down on
Gretchen's reaction when Tamera positioned this situation with the drugging
in New Orleans and in New Orleans, and she was like, oh,
I think Gretchen may have been lying because of how
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she reacted and what she did in her body language.
And you just really drilled down on Gretchen's reactions where
I was like, oh, I think Gretchen is completely having
an authentic reaction. She's back on the show because she
can't do this. You were feeling like, I think that was.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
She busted, Yeah, she was busted. Yeah, And because Shannon
and Tamra were giving Gretchen the opportunity, like they weren't
believing it that she said that, and so Gretchen had
no First she thought she was busted, so she was paused,
like oh my god. And then Shannon was like, I
(03:23):
can't believe it, and she's now she's lying about you,
and Tarama's like, yeah, she said that. I don't believe
it either, And that second, Gretchen had to not admit
it because she wasn't busted. They weren't saying you did this.
They were saying, we don't believe that you did this,
and so she had no choice but to go along
and lie. So she was like, I can't believe this
(03:48):
is happening. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Well so, but there were two There were two hearts
of the matter.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So there's the Emily, I think you're missing the point.
You're missing the point. You're celebrating me exposing. So let's
take a second.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Right, you're one hundred percent right about Amy being thirty
percent right, Okayna, So let's.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Just take a second and celebrate how I called that,
and then we can move on to the other things.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
So I did, and I did, and yeah, you really
fast forwarded that. Y.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
You know what I say? A win for me is
a win for the darlings. But apparently Emily wants her
scratches on the board separately. So go ahead, Emily, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Where is this board? Where is this board? Because I
need to see this score all right, and.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
I'm going to take one win. If we're looking at our.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Scratches, oh okay, yes, if.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
You don't mind, like, if we're looking at our scratches
really quick. I said that that Shannon can't do back
to back seasons of anything because she hasn't had time
to regroup and time to deal with her hair. She
hasn't got like she'd never outfits ready, she'll never make
up set up like she is not lu Ane. Lu
(05:04):
Ayne can go from a dating show to this show,
to Traders to that to the other. She doesn't need
a break. She's gonna be lifting her.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
She's gonna be to show up barefoot. She doesn't care,
no problem.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
She's put me on a plane, get me there, I'm here,
Put me on a plane, get me there, I'm here.
I'm doing this. That Shannon needs a proper season to
collect herself.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
To get the extensions replaced.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Everything hydrate, right, So I am just seeing this woman
so set up for failure without that time, without her,
she can't do this turnaround time. And I thought this
episode also she wasn't able to get a cloth through
(05:53):
her hair, and that I blame on back to back.
I do stay really firm on that. So I'm gonna
give myself some thing. It's just more of the same.
It's not like I didn't uncover a mystery.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I want your flowers.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I want to scratch. If it's a vl you got,
you know, to scratch, you gotta scratch.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Great, great, great great. Now I am like, this storyline
is so bonkers to me, because as if it wasn't
confusing enough, then we peel back more and more layers
as we continue on, and then by the end of it,
we've got Slade coming in here saying telling Katie at
some point to stick to the script because.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
And then we got slaid Slade with that fucking mustache.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well that's a whole other that was. That was a
jump scare, And you know what I thought that was
At first, I thought he was using one of the filters. Yeah,
like a mustache filter. So I was like, oh, okay,
so he's just trying to be funny, and then it
was still there, and then I was like, oh, he's
really committed to this filter. Maybe he's got like a
(06:58):
ZiT on his chin or a ZiT on his face.
He doesn't want to show to be the reveal that
he actually has. That was not okay. So off off camera,
Slade said to Katie to stick to the script. So
at one point when we got that quick rewind, when
Katie was like asking the producer interconfessional, so was this
(07:18):
the point where I was protecting Gretchen? I was like,
you've got to be kidding me. Liar face, liar face, liarface.
Everywhere you turn there's a liar face. And do it again,
lio face, liaface, because like, here's the deal. I am
not Gretchen and Jen with this fakery that they're putting
(07:40):
out there is throwing me down on the ground because
they are just they're just fully lying. They are fully lying.
And then Katie was lying and now I don't even
know where to go.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
What do you guys, what's this crying about? Something else?
Katie is denying that she went to the.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Press right and that's a lie.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
She ever said anything, and.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
That's a lie, right, Okay, jen Istacing is lying for Gretchen.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Okay, And this is all what Katie is saying. So
you also have to think, like, was Katie is you know,
I don't know, do we believe Katie?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
This is absolutely okay. So I believe that Gretchen one
hundred percent said all those things at that dinner to
everyone that she woke up in the morning she had
to go to the hospital, and so it left maybe
she didn't say rufie. I don't think she said rufie.
I think she said everything but rufie. Like I woke
(08:44):
up in the morning, I had to go to the hospital.
They found drugs in my system. That's what she said.
She didn't say rufie, right, But she didn't say the
word rufie, which is why that's where you when you
say a lie to heaven, right exactly Jesus died for
that exact thing, you know. Yeah, So I think that
(09:08):
Katie said rufie to Kiki, And I think so Katie
can say I didn't say that to her because she
didn't say the word rufie. And so that's the part
that's like, but she's lying that she didn't say anything
to Kiki, but on Gretchen's then Gretchen's lying in her
(09:29):
confessional about whether she went to the hospital or not.
And in the back of the car when that huge
reveal was when Tarma's like, did you say ever? Did
you ever say it to a hospital? And she's like well,
and I'm like, wait, she just admitted that she had
(09:50):
to go to the hospital. And then in the confessional
she's like, I didn't go to the hospital, but I
should have. Girl. Okay, See that's where.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
I was like, Watchen, is that dumb? Why is she
saying this to Tamra?
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Well?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, right, well.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Was so confused.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yes, okay. One thing that was really crazy and because
I just want to say this part about Jen because
Jen got busted out on this episode because last episode
when it was brought up about the roofing and the
the sorry not the roofing but the naked wasted, wasn't
(10:29):
it Jen who said, oh, I don't even know what
that is.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Yes, right, So we watched the show, right, watch the show,
and now this episode we know had a proper sit
down with Gretchen and Slade at a restaurant and they
went over naked wasted beat by beat.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Unbelieved Jen was naked wasted by beat.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Okay, I just wanted to get that out and we
can go on. I just wanted to pull Jen's like
moment out.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You know, so you believe Katie that multiple that that
Jen and Ryan were also at that dinner and that
was what they want that everyone was told.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
We don't know that, but just Katie, you've even admitted
that on this episode. Jen said, yeah, she was at
the dinner where they talked about it.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah did she Okay, yeah, yeah, everyone's in agreement that
they were at this dinner, but they're not in agreement
about what was said.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Okay, why would Gretchen not do you think that she's
Are you guys thinking that Gretchen is fully live? If
we're going to say that they went over, then the
beats of naked waisted and it was alluded to that
drugs were involved, why wouldn't Gretchen want you.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
She doesn't want to get sued. Because she doesn't want
to get sued. I think it's all about lawsuits, because
if you make an accusation like that that you got
drugged by somebody, I mean, hello, you know we're talking.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, Rusia, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
So I absolutely think that Gretchen is lying to save
her ass from a lawsuit. So why she would be
so reckless to come and tell that story to two
housewives on the current show, that she's allowing them to
jump to conclusions which she wants them to do. To
(12:39):
think that Damra roofeed her. She's putting it out there.
Why she would be to say these things to these
housewives because you can't trust a housewife. It's going to
come out.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
So you guys think she wasn't rufeed? Is that what
you're saying? That that part is totally made up? The
drug part?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I think, oh, I think that she absolutely did not
roofy Gretchen. And I don't know what she's talking about
when she says she went to the hospital and she
got a well Katie saying she said she went to
the hospital, she got a toxicology report and there were
drugs found in her system. I believe Katie. I'm sorry,
I just am believing Katie. What do you guys?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
So, I don't think that Katie's flying about this. I
do think that Katie's in over her head and because
of that, right, it's very guarded with what she's getting
accused of, because I think she's just fearful. But I
think that maybe Gretchen did have drugs in her system.
(13:43):
I don't know where they were from, right, And that's
also where she's kind of finding like a safe harbor.
Like she's like, I was with these people, I went home,
I got really sick, and the next day I went
to the hospital, and drugs in my system. She's saying,
here are the dots. It's up to you guys to
connect exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
She's safe, yeah, exactly. And then she got busted. And
why you think you'd never get called out for that
is unbelievable to me, Like you don't.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Think she was trying. If so, if she got there
were because it doesn't make sense to me if she
was completely lying about drugs in her system, that's like,
I don't get that, right, So we're saying that we
think there were drugs in her system at this point.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
She no, I'm not saying that. I don't. She may
have lied about that to Katie, but I think that
what Katie is saying is what Gretchen told her.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
But I think what you were saying about loss applied
makes more sense to me because there's a world in
which because Gretchen did impress charges back then, Like let's
say she was slipped something not a roofye per se
pop brownie whatever, I don't know, drugs, but let's say
(15:03):
she was slitt something.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Danna kidding, kidding, kidding, of course.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
No, no, but like or even like a xanax. It's
gonna make her drunker, you know, or something like that.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
So maybe that was.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Slipped to her, but she didn't press any charges. So
now she can't go there's no case for her to
go forward with. But maybe it was true, you know,
so she's telling these girls the truth, but she never thought.
But yes, to your point, like you would have to
write in blood, you can never bring this up on
(15:42):
camera because if you do, or to a blogger, and
why are we calling podcasters and radio host bloggers, you know,
I don't like that. But and that's a separate issue
and that's over to the side. But you would have
had to be so clear with them like this can't
(16:04):
This is for information as to why Tamra's evil, and
you guys should side with me when I show up
on the show but it can never be spoken to
because I can't prove it at this point.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
But do you also think that Katie didn't, Like she's
saying these things naked and wasted happen a million years ago.
She's probably assuming it's almost irrelevant and that people already
knew that maybe, and or let's say that Gretchen said
this to them in a let's like we're really getting close,
(16:39):
I'm going to disclose this thing. Then what have Katie
and Jen told Gretchen that they were all feeling that
open about. I'm like, she probably knows some shit too,
So I think.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Like, which is maybe why Jen is having her back
blindly and lying along with her.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Yeah, else because they want to take down Tamra. I
think Gretchen is on this show to take down Tamera.
That's why she's back.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
And Jen is furious with her, so she's going to
do anything she can to get back at Tamra certainly.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
And Katie. I do believe Katie's tragic flaw is that
she approached this show as a dirt seeker, right bone
collector that had ammunition, like instead of just coming on
and having whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Experience made messy moves. She's moved messy and now she's
moved messy again, so she really can't be trusted. And
now the other girls, you know, she she's in the
middle of this, and she was used kind of as
a pawn, and that's sort of what I think somewhat,
I don't know. It's like, was she used as a pawn?
(17:57):
But at the same time, but she's responsible for her action,
So let me just take that back. I mean, she
was obviously told this information allegedly allegedly for all of this,
by the way, and then she went to Keiki Monique
and told her, but she used the word roofie. And
then Keki was like, I'm not gonna say anything about
(18:18):
this because roofing, that's that's that's a real legal matter.
If that's what the accusation is, We're not gonna talk
about this. I'm not going to bring this up. That's
insane and uh. And so then when Keki brought it
up to Tamra, she's probably like, hey, by the way,
this is circulating, you better watch your back. You might
(18:39):
have another lawsuit coming your way because you're being accused
of getting of roofing somebody. And I don't know if
this is going to surface, but like heads up. And
then then that's when Katie got in trouble because it's
like you you're going around saying this like you made
it up, but she didn't make it up. And that's
what came out later that she was she was protecting
(19:00):
Gretchen at that point and that's why she didn't say anything.
That's why she didn't call Kiki at that time. Right.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Well, yeah, and also that's Katie's move too, like she's
never going to pull the phone out and call somebody.
We saw that at the spot also, right.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
And she has said out loud, I am I approached
this incorrectly and I have been acting a fool.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
But in the car in the remember when she was
like if I called Kiki she wouldn't and asked her,
did you did you lie? She's gonna she's not gonna
say I lied, Right, So then that's suspicious too.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Well, then she's calling Kiki a liar, right, So now
she's calling me a liar and that is not great,
Like yeah, I mean it's basically no, I don't know
that's that.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
That's that actually threw me out, like because it sounds
like more of a misunderstanding of verbiage more than it is, Oh,
Kiki's lying and Katie's lying. It's more like Katie was
relaying exactly what she heard and then embellished it a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
To somebody who would get the word out. Yeah, so
it's messy. You know, she didn't say it. She said
it to be.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
A gotcha right, Yeah, she sure did, and she got busted.
It's too much to follow when you go outside of
the realm and you start involving bloggers and stories. I
don't like this type of story. I really love it.
I'm annoyed actually right now, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I'm not. I love it, and I've said it before.
I love it. It's so old school Hollywood and old
school politics about the leaks and the you know, I
kind of love it.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
You don't like giving, Okay, I'd rather argue about Lisa
not on following Marcus. I mean at this point because
by the end of this, I'm like, this.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Is Katie's ninth leak story. Yeah that didn't happen. That's
where it's hilarious because like, well, clearly Katie, right gotta yeah,
you got it. We know you are new to all
the people you're leaking to. They they have much bigger,
better connections with the gals that have been on here
(21:15):
for one hundred years. So if they're going to talk
to the veterans and tell them exactly what went down,
and that is where I'm like, Katie, you're lying. That's
what I think she's lying about over and over again.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Absolutely, she cannot be trusted with anything. Talk about thirsty
to have to go to multiple people and bloggers and
like the Bravo Babe, that whole thing happened, Yeah, I mean,
and why would that was?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Why would have that was the spa phone call? That
on Instagram?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
That's right, that's right, the Bravo Babe was the spat
spa phone call? And and what what would the Bravo
babe have to gain by lying about this? She didn't
asked to be brought into this, you know, it's like
why And same with Kiki. Why would she be want
to be brought into this? So she's the one who's
(22:10):
reaching out.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
They're the ones getting contacted, right, right, Like they're Bravo
Babe or whoever's just sitting there doing their things acording
this concept and right they're catching shrapnel from the housewives
because they're just sitting there. It's not like somebody's like
hiding in Emily's bushes and like, oh I got the scoop.
(22:33):
It's like they're.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Getting connections and yeah, there's there's I think it just
is less like I like and I as we sit
here being these people, we are also them. So we're
all talking about Bravo, right, but like there's no thirst
on this platform, but there is thirst to be involved.
(22:56):
So they may show up at places, they may be
going to, you know rips, the three Amigo three Amigo
shows trying to you know, screens, the Amigo screening is
trying to sidle up, Like I just I feel like
after the Monica thing in Salt Lake City, that felt
(23:19):
so crazy. It's like an insider blowing the lid off,
and I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Well by the way I mean, it's just that I
don't feel like we always need that because it ends
up being spoilers for the show, for one, and because
we're going to see it play out and I'd love
to see them just call each other out for their
own lives. Then the Hearsay thing, well, I think like
to Emily's point, you know, now we're in a situation
(23:48):
where because there are multiple people involved on the outside,
these things are getting exposed about these housewives. They're getting
exposed for all their lives.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Now what also keeps everybody relevant in the off season,
which I do think for better or for worse, is
good for Bravo, you know, whether or not it lands
on their show. It's like, I mean, how when was
the last season of New Jersey? And like we talk
about New Jersey all the time because they are that
(24:19):
the Bravo sphere keeps it pumping and litera leaks and
it keeps it going. And then like eventually like Bravo's
going to have to put that show back on because
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(32:54):
my notes. I didn't I have put my glasses on
because they're on my notes app. Last night, I was like,
I can't I get out my computer. I'm just gonna
do it from my phone. Okay, slaves Mustache, that's number one,
number two, You'll never see my face again. Love that flashback.
That's my favorite line ever. I quote it all the time.
(33:18):
It's my favorite line I think of all times. Also,
the run Run, and it's such a large.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Stays, the widest shot of all time. Yeah, she's so tiny,
little mouse, scurring.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Little mouse, and she's running across that marble. And then
Shannon in this suit like that that cheetah, that leopard
suit or whatever in the back seat just kind of
she's got it buttoned up, so you know when you
button up a blazer and you sit down, and she
she's like not really sitting, she's kind of leaning back.
(33:54):
It was so funny in the back seat of that
sprinter van. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 4 (33:58):
It looks so comfortable, she is not sorted.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
There you go when back in the day, like when
when they would be filming in like the thirties and forties,
and these gowns you would have leaners where you would
like almost like a stand. You put your feet down
and it would like hold you in place.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Like a doll stand.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Yeah, like a doll stand, so you could lean back
and not like wrinkle your dress. And I always think
about that. For the reunion, I was like, no, they
need those in those sprinter vans for Shannon, because I
totally it was all bunched up, like bunched leaner alert.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Well, when Tamra leaves New Orleans, they are all so passed,
they are all so passed about it, like you know,
and I know that she was out of control. But
I started thinking about this and I was like, I
don't know, man, nobody really cared too much about the
fact that her best friend is extremely ill and that
(35:03):
that's taking a toll on her. I like, I think.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
There's a lot I think with them, though with Tamra,
it's like everything is something. There's always a force around
Tamra that today is not the day to fuck with Tamra.
And I get the teddy thing and I get the
daughter thing, but I think what she's finally actually feeling
raw emotion now that she's going through therapy and stuff
(35:28):
and the xanax. So I just think like they I
don't know if that anger about her leaving was like
real real. I got the vibe that that was kind
of bullshit. I think they were like, good, you need
to go.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Well, I agree, yeah, I think they were. She also
like Shannon had had a really hard year last year
and Tamra rode her ass into the ground. So she
has nothing in the bank she did. I think that
that's the whole thing is in.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Terms of allies, you mean, in terms of ali in.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Terms of goodwill, like there's nothing in the bank. There's
no grace for her in the.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Bank, right, I mean, Heather was the only one who
really did do something. And when they finally met after
like they got back and Tamra's like, nobody nobody touched me,
nobody got touted it, and Heather was like excuse me,
and she just really got firm with her.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I was like, Okay, look at her phone, like it's
gonna drill down on this. There are written receiats here.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Right.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
This is why I think that the rage over Tama
leaving was not legit, because this was a clear substance
issue with Tama in terms of the drinking and something
else at the time, they didn't no, And I'm like,
if they were actually mad, Shannon would have been dragging
her so hard, because she'd have every right to, because
(37:08):
Tamar went in so hard for the exact for drinking
and substance abuse or whatever overall substance abuse, and then
she they were both They were all just kind of
like fae enraged to me because.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
And because she didn't stick around, no one really had
the opportunity the next day to sit down with her
and be like, you know, last night, there were extracurricular
things influencing your behavior and that was unacceptable to us.
But now let's get down to why you got to
that point and how sorry we are about your situation,
and let's talk about it so that this doesn't happen again.
(37:46):
Because you heard a lot of people last night, you know,
I mean, tamer didn't give them the opportunity to do that.
She just left, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, And there was no I mean, they were all
so thrown by it because that because usually like Tamra
doesn't like go inward and quietly call you a bit,
she's screaming at you. It was just so off for her.
They were all reading it like, what is happening? Right, like.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Scream at me? You know, yeah, yeah, this is just
weird Bizarro Tamera Bizarrow, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah, strange. Well all right, so so Gina called the journalist,
the credible journalist. We don't know who that is, no,
we do not.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Yeah, I would like to know the credible journalist, Derinda.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Is that who we think it is?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
I mean, I was making a joke about that last
last week, but I don't think it was. I think
I have an idea, but I don't even want to say.
But but there are so many people in that realm
that I think, you know, like it wouldn't matter if
you said it or not. You probably don't know them
or know the connection or doesn't matter, you know. So
(39:10):
but she called a credible journalist and to verify and
they said that, yeah, Katie called Kiki, right, that's that's yeah,
and verified camera. So then Shannon and then then we
go to the airboats and Shannon is calling is that Gina?
And she's crying about being late to the airboats? I
(39:33):
don't know who was crying and what was that all about?
She was having an anxiety attack?
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yeah, well she was late, right, Gina was putting that together,
and so she called Gina. I just got the vibe
that I was like, man, I think Shannon does this
a lot.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Yeah, oh yeah, they were all so. I mean to
see her teeter tattering in those heels to get on
a boat that's going to be gliding through the muddiest now,
you know, I go veryl swamp literal swamp to have
and I go hot and cold with Heather. But to
(40:10):
have her in a swamp, it was not right.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
I was like, Heather, none of that was right, that
none of them on that boat was right.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
I agree, Okay, it was not okay, Like you couldn't
see one inch down, it was mud water with alligators.
I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I didn't know. I thought that was very I mean,
I give him all credit for showing up to do
this work, because that looked like a horrific I would
not want that experience. No, thank you. An air boat
he's he is. That driver opened it up and just
ripped across that water.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
I would maybe do it personally, but I was just like,
we're so in the weeds on this literally, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
It's the grassy, wet weeds.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
And for Shannon to be in those heels, which I
don't feel like it should be teeter tottering in the
heels and late it's giving Lisa like these people who.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Are cue it was it was Lisa, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Who you know, bibbity boppity in with like is there
senses even any sunscreen? It's like, get out of here.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Also, what was what was she crying about over the
phone and what was the anxiety attack about? We never
found out.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
J Shannon Shannon Shannon, she.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Said, because Gina had an amazing meltdown which looked like
to me, very real, like off camera stuff. This was
about like you didn't show up for your call time
and we're sitting on this fucking alligator air boat in
nasty weather waiting on your ass. And she was like
(42:07):
too many things, too many things.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
You know, it's still the night after the camera departure,
so that right right still, I think that's what she's
upset about. Because also Tamar calls her. We don't know
did she go to Tamra at four am? She didn't
right or before the four am flight, because remember she
(42:31):
said Tamara texted me to come up to her room.
Oh and Shannon said that, yeah, like but I don't. Yeah,
that's that was like right at the top, there's a
flashback to them riding back from the dinner and Shannon
is looking at her phone and she's saying, Tamra just
texted me to come up to her room. She's gonna
(42:52):
fly out at five am. No cameras, don't bring cameras.
And so I just wondered if she did go up there.
I don't know. There's a lot going on. And Shannon,
to Deanna's point, she needs her she needs her rest,
she needs her downtime sy regroup. When she put those
lashes on in a moving vehicle like that, I was like.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Proper you, that is impressive. That is next level, like
and and and what do you need a glam squad
for If you can do that like this is I'll
tell you what. That was impressive. That's the next challenge.
We should do that for housewives, you know, challenge them
to do something and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
All the time. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
It take out your extensions on this wobbling discs on
the airboat.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Yeah, while alligators are clipping at your heels.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
I did love the deadbeat alligator dads. That was really funny.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
They move really quickly. When they move alligators, So I mean.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Mm hmmm, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
That's not nothing to be out there with them so intimately,
you know, because they agrees. Yeah, she's scared of water, swamps, alligators,
all of the above.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Every I'm scared of everything. I don't know why I
planned these. It was weird because she's the one who
planned it. What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Yeah, she was wearing their logo. She had their sweatshirt
on in the last scene of the episode because I
was like the old school logo and then she was
wearing it again. I was like, Okay, I'd do a sweatshirt.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
It's also very they got ripped off because they didn't
see any big alligators and I was disappointed too. They
didn't get to see anything.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
What what do you want them shoving them out of
the forest.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Like I don't know, emotic, but like, why are we
doing these Why are we doing these tours if you're
not going to see it? We have three three three?
I mean I think it was the same one three times.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Well we didn't go to the mall.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah, but they even said, well I think they would
have shown us more, like we didn't see any big
fat ones. We didn't get a fatty photo of an
alligator like afund.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
For their free airport boat ride. Please send am a sweatshirt.
Please don't I send it to so she'll give it
to me. Thanks you.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
So then they go to dinner and oh my god,
at the bar, and when Gina was choking on an oyster,
what and how were fighting? I could not believe that
that was like a cart that was okay.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
Okay, I have to say something.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
You have.
Speaker 4 (45:51):
Publicly flogged me for not knowing Emily and Gina's names
and who they are.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Sorry, but you just.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
Said Heather and camera. So it is well, you know
what books, Okay, come up with Emily's name.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Fair enough, it's not. I mean, I am completely caught
and I you're right to do this. You're right to
do this. Not only that, but I have it in
my notes as camera too. So it's even doubly worse.
Not even there, she's not even there. She's not even
there with their therapist. It nobdy tested me, tested me after.
Speaker 4 (46:36):
She's quit the show. Yet we've seen her, like we
were halfway through the therapy session and I was like, oh,
she's back, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (46:45):
She was not gone, that was quick. So Gina and
Gina's choking on an oyster while Heather and Emily are See.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
You think it's easy because they've been with us for
twenty five years, but it's not that easy. It's just not.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Well, you caught me at a at a weak moment.
Let's just say that. Okay. Now, Gina comically being able
to come out of this, you know, situation and say hello,
is anybody there to help me? So amazing. And not
(47:27):
only that, not only that, but for Heather to jump
out of that fight addressed Gina with the proper medical
terminology of the actual muscle that is, uh have heard that? Yeah,
that is used. That is there when you choke, she said,
(47:48):
is you're perstaciless not working correctly?
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Wow? And I was like, wait what Heather seems like
like a little like above everybody, Like she's so chill
and like one of us, as.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
If she's not in the scene. No one jumped up
and tried like threw an arm over her for at
least attempted a Heimlich when the word. She wanted to
show that she knew that word.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
Well as she's gonna do. She learned it on like
a sitcom back in the eighties when when you are
making sound and Gina was, you're not choking choking, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (48:32):
You know you're right if you can talk.
Speaker 4 (48:35):
So they had to. You know, I enjoyed because Emily,
and I know, Emily, you're in Emily here, but I
don't ever like even kind of think of your Emily
and her Emily. It's two different names as far as
I'm concerned, I like, like deeply two different names. So
(48:56):
Emily does go for Heather and mock her openly at
all times. And the fact that Heather was like fed up,
I enjoyed. You know, it was a fun little Heather knockout.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Great in this episode. I don't know if you guys noticed,
but I really felt like we saw sides of her
that we don't normally see, like some real stuff when well,
this trip.
Speaker 4 (49:23):
Has beaten her down because it's so down to the ground,
low low low, like we're just we're in swamps, like
she can't there's nothing that she can do but to be.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
Also, but with the drama that's going on itself, she
is really like.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
About her right, and she's a sidecar.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
And she's actually saying some really good things and like
and not in a condescending way, like I feel like
she is definitely in it to win it, and it's
I don't know, I just maybe it's the CA trip.
Maybe when she gets immersed, that's what it is. I
think she's best. She really flourishes on cast trips, and.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
It's not her cast trip. That's the other thing. She's
not in charge.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
Yeah, she hasn't done a million branding things. And yeah, no,
she always starts. I always go through this with her,
where at the beginning of the season she rubs me
raw because she's coming into it with her affectation. And
then this group, as we've discussed many times, is just
(50:34):
so not on her level financially, it's not what she
would choose. And eventually the Syracuse comes out and she
settles in.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Yeah you know, yes she really. Yeah, mid to mid
season she starts to really loosen up a little bit
during the cast trip. It's nice.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
Yeah, because also like with that ranch trip they went on,
I like tor like it was her trip and she
was super fun and shot.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah, she was really there for Gina.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
Yeah, whereas like the trip that I'm remembering recently that
was hers wasn't that fashion show involved at the winery
and she was like, you know, like insulting Emily and
not even aware of it, and like, you know, like
those kinds of moves.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Right, it was like Richard Marx and like the winery
owners and all that stuff. Right, But you know, we
also love to see that too. So it's like we
have to compartmentalize now. When when it was Gina versus Gretchen,
we have Gretchen won't listen at all when it comes
to Katie, but Gina would listen when Gretchen would talk
(51:43):
about Tamra. So Gina is coming for Gretchen. This was unexpected.
This was a fight that I did not see coming,
and I very much enjoyed it. And then she said,
Gina said to I think it was it. Who did
Gina say, makes you think you did say something about Badoor?
Was she talking to Katie or Gretchen? Yeah, I'm Katie right.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
Katie thought, okay, I thought, I think I don't know exactly,
but I think I thought, wait, say it again.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
She said, you makes me think you did say something
about Badoor, Shannon Badoor about what? Well, she didn't say,
and that's why we're trying to figure out who she
was addressing, because she was she was coming for Gretchen.
But I think she must have been angling that toward
toward Katie. And I don't know how that all came.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
Well because Shannon is so hurt by Katie, and Katie
keeps being like, I mean, what's her problem? You know, like,
and even though Shannon has told her problem and everybody,
and then Katie keeps showing up like I don't know,
I don't know, and it's like, well, we've told you
and you keep lying about it. Yeah, And the thing
that we all agree on across the board is we
(52:59):
don't we what happened. We keep things insulated and you
keep leaking shit, right, So I think that that is
what that was all about. And it's like Katie like that,
I think that's what.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
I think. You're right. I think I think it was
like Gina was coming for Gretchen first, and then Gretchen
and Katie kind of having an ally ship. It's making
Gina think, wait a minute, what about you, kat It's
making me think you actually did do something. And Shannon
was so delighted. She looked like she just had a
piece of chocolate pie. She was like, oh, I was
(53:33):
expecting you to turn in my corner. Okay, But how
about Gretchen then saying that Katie's never done anything to
her and yelling Tamra has done something to everyone at
this table, slamming her hand.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
Wowy afterthought slam.
Speaker 6 (53:55):
After thoughts Yeah, uh was yeah, which shows that Gretchen
is going to take the opportunity to take Tamra down
when she can.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
That's what that's telling me.
Speaker 4 (54:09):
Yes, she's really leaning into the which was sort of
telling after Gina exposed the conversation, like that she had,
you know, done some fact checking. Yeah, and Gretchen was like, well,
who cares?
Speaker 2 (54:25):
You know?
Speaker 4 (54:26):
And you know, was like, if you don't care that
she's telling someone outside that you were Roofie, then you
don't care. She's like, no, no, it's not that I
don't care, you know what I mean. But Katie's never
done any you know. She went into that whole thing, and.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
Which I was like, why isn't anybody saying you like
you've known Katie for ten minutes? Like true, I get
that you do have a point with Tamra, but it's
like you don't know Katie, right, We're all trying to
tell you something, right, Yes.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
Listen up. Gina makes a really really good point, and
then Heather brings the point home by saying, look, we're scared,
and we've talked about this. You know what happens next Katie,
and Katie is just as if she's at a business meeting.
Yes we did, we did talk about that. Yeah, yep, yep.
And it's just wild how she can be so uh
(55:14):
and ambivalent, and her ambivalence is her strength because you
just she would be an amazing poker player because you
can't tell, you just can't tell.
Speaker 4 (55:25):
Well, going back and watching the conversation between when Katie
was like talking about it at that table last episode,
I think we had a flashback, and now with the
new information, I'm watching her look at Jen like, m
is this girl really leaving me out to dry? And
(55:46):
then looking over to Gretchen so mm hmm. When you
rewatch it, your analysis was correct, Amy, and then seeing
like what we were what gets revealed here on this episode,
I'm like, oh, Katie is shocked that these girls are
and she's just like I, which she said to your husband, like,
(56:07):
I think she's like, I have no moves, I have
no moves.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
And again I just say Amy twenty percent right, but
Dan one hundred percent right. Amie's analysis.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
Good job, Dienna, Okay, we never did get down on
your knee?
Speaker 3 (56:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (56:24):
What that was?
Speaker 3 (56:25):
I got the math over here. I'm still running the numbers.
It might might be a few more, but we'll get there.
Deanna's winning, So good job, Dianna put another.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
Put another mark. Okay, it's a grade.
Speaker 4 (56:42):
Oh yeah. I think Katie's just like frozen and just
we're seeing a person who has no moves, so they're
still and they're just.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
Waiting it out, and they have no allies. She's on
an island by herself, right.
Speaker 3 (56:57):
I wonder if Katie went into all this when she
got hired. She's like, I'm coming in very fresh. I
don't know jack shit. She and then she was like,
I'm just going to build a like you said Dana,
like an arsenal of information on everyone as a backup,
backup plan, not realizing that that's going to be everything.
(57:20):
Like she really didn't expect to be called out on
any of this. It was only like in an emergency
situation she could pull one of these cards. And now
it's like, no, You've like she said she handled it wrong,
But I do wonder if she had intended to do
that this way.
Speaker 4 (57:38):
I think that's a good point. I think it lands
somewhere in between that and this may be her default
as a person, and even though we find her likable,
it might be one a flaw. You know, that this
is how she approaches things. But I do think she
(57:59):
came in like I because she came at to brow heavy.
Speaker 2 (58:04):
Right, and that right, I'll so off putting. Katie made
mistakes as a new housewife coming in, you know, and
that's why you always want to give housewives a second season,
to give them another chance. And in between those seasons,
she's really biffed it by going to these bloggers. So,
you know, I don't know what she's not learning, but
(58:26):
she's she has done everything she possibly could to, like,
you know, really throw a wrench into best practices. Yeah,
and now she's at a real dead end. But by
the way, when she was sitting with her husband Matt
and they were going over what happened at the Masters,
and Slade was there and she was like, so he
(58:48):
brought this up. He brought up naked wasted to you, right?
What did he say? And Matt said, well, I can
say this. You didn't make it up, and that's all
that needs to be said.
Speaker 3 (58:58):
She didn't make Yeah, it's like you're but you're not
wrong about that, and so I think Katie's drilling down
on like, but that was the most important thing. I
wasn't wrong, right, I wasn't wrong, And it's like, no,
you were so incorrect. It's like both things can be true,
both things, like one of these things can also not
be true and the other one is true. Like it
doesn't cancel everything out right.
Speaker 2 (59:20):
Yeah, So now it looks like Kiki is going to
be on camera next week, so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 4 (59:27):
Yeah, lie detector tests. Oh right, but now see that
a lie detector?
Speaker 3 (59:33):
No, and Dan I said to Amy when we saw
that trailer, I was like, I don't like that. Like
I like the idea of like leaking stories and everything
that does put us in a world of entertainment and
that is their reality. What I don't like is the
lie detector because now it feels like a game show
(59:54):
or just a world that like what are where are
we entering? Now? I don't love it.
Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
If we can fright, it's like, well now that's what
we can use. Now that that's been entered into the chat,
we can use that at any time, which is not fun.
Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Well, and we all know that like light detector tests
aren't accurate, so that could really mess things up. Yeah, okay,
well all right, what a completely wild episode.
Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
I'm also like, can't wait to see how they all
agreed to take a lie detector jest, because I.
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Wouldn't Well, it depends on Yeah, I wonder if they
were given questions beforehand and then would agree with it.
I don't know. All right, well maybe that'll be next week.
Who knows. Emily DSIs Deanna Chang, thank you so much. Everyone.
You can follow m DSIs over on Instagram. Please check
out Deanna Chang's substack, how to Be less Old. It's Scott.
(01:00:57):
Oh you've got to. She featured a back to school
trend in terms of looks, and she used yeah fashions,
and she used one of Mattie's pictures and yeah, so
it's super cute. Thank you for doing that. That was nice.
So check out the sub stack today, and of course
go on over to patreon dot com slash drama Darling
(01:01:19):
for more recaps and a special announcement coming soon. Thanks
for listening. You guys have a great weekend. Bye bye ladies, Bye.
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