September 5, 2025 • 54 mins
Welcome back to Drama Darling! It's Orange County Day, and we're diving straight into the drama. Today, we're joined by Emily Dorezas and Deanna Cheng to unpack the tangled web of lies and alliances in the latest Orange County episode. From polygraph fails to hospital visits, we're not holding back. Is Gretchen the biggest villain? Did Tamara really cost Slade his jobs? And what on earth is Katie thinking? We also hear about Emily Simpson's chaotic croissant-hosting and the curious case of Jen's ambiguous hospital tale. Join us for an in-depth analysis of who’s lying and why. Plus, cameo appearances from Shannon Beador's daughter and longtime friendships that go rogue.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Drama Darling, Drama Darling.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Drama Darling.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Hello, everybody, welcome back into Drama Darling. Today is Orange
County Day, and of course we will be getting into
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going on here right now. Joining me is Emily Desis
and Deanna Chang. Hi, gals, Hello, are you ready to
buckle in and just really go for it today with
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Orange County?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I mean I'm gonna say yes, And then the second
that we're done, there's going to be one million things
that hit online. Yeah. Right, Well, this negates everything I
just said.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Deanna, May I welcome you, but way I welcome you
both in. We thank you. You are so welcome, You
are so welcome. It's good to be here with you ladies. Again.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I really do believe our last episode should be submitted
for the Pulitzer or whatever award is out there.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I agree with it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
We could, you know, because I think we did some
real things on that episode.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I think we did some real thinking.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah, we had our real time. Yes, thank the moment,
Thank you Alan for clarifying that the help of everyone else.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Exactly, no one needed to chime in. We were asking,
We were asking the right questions, just like Jodie Foster
and we were asking each other questions. We were challenging
one another, we were challenging ourselves, We were challenging the
philosophy of life itself. And I feel like we really
dug down. So if you do listen to.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
That challenged, we were challenged.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
You had to listen it from beginning to end because
we evolve as people, and our opinions evolve, and we evolve.
So I have a feeling that might happen again today.
But we'll see, because here we have Orange County, and
what is happening is that we have a race for
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the villains. Who you know, in our opinion, who is
the biggest villain on Orange County, who is the one
that's lying the most, and which one in the end
is going to win the award for Biggest Villain, because
at this point.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
One of three we should say who it is when
you're gosh.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
But I'm not ready.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Get I am ready either, I'm gonna I'm gonna say
it one two three.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Slade chin oh, I wasn't ready.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
I wasn't ready.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I wasn't ready. So basically it's Slade where we're pointing
the fingers and honestly, Emily, I think we're I think
you're off to a great start there. I mean, you know,
quite frankly, when you know, if you haven't seen you know,
my friend chef Stewart O'Keeffe's podcast, Let It stew he
had Matt on Katie Janella's husband and and he really
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breaks down a lot of what happened between in the
conversation with with Slade. I was to say it with
like Vicky and like that he was throwing out that
Slade was throwing out. Oh, and he also said that,
you know, on the show, he was saying all kinds
of stuff on the show. So between those two things,
Matt really has quite the voice in this saying that
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Slade was talking about Alex Baskin. He was on the
other line with Alex Baskin. He he showed us on
the show all of the phone records. Okay, yeah, uh huh,
I know what you're say it because.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
What because they we didn't see it. We know we
see phone, we didn't. We didn't. We saw his phone
and a few things from Slade, and then we just
saw Matt's side of the chat in the text.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
That's what they blurred out. They blurred outlay.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Because they don't blur that out usually. They usually show
us the whole conversation. So I didn't know why they
did that.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Well, are you sure they did?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Do?
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Both people have to sign off on it.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I was just gonna say, I don't housewives, and this is.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
A different kind of story. If Alex Baskin is on
the other end and he's involved, it's blurred okay.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
So but but I thought this was with Slade.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
But what Amy is saying is it we're talking about
a legal issue that could be Why makes that?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yah got it? Okay, Okay, that phone conversation and all
the receipts that Matt as that he was on a
three way call. It was Slade and Matt and Ryan.
Oh and Ryan. See that was interesting. Because I didn't
know that Ryan was on those calls, which which says
so much about if he's protecting you know, the situation
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as well Jen, and then Jen to Gretchen and so
that to me is really strong evidence that they are,
in fact, in Slade's words, holding the line. And you know,
and just the idea that Matt is saying that Slade
said Gretchen is going to lie or Gretchen is not
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going to say that she's going to deny.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Face reality sixteen. I love that account. As we all know,
they did that timeline again. They keep updating this timeline
on here, so that is helpful.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
And and we've now Sena has entered the chat, but
we'll get to that in a second. Okay, So, okay,
timeline for question's life, if.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
You don't mind, I just want to get my head
straight for one beat here, did the two of them,
Did Gretchen and Slade have a plan to say I
went to the hospital when they sat down at this
restaurant and Mastro's it and then they never expected the
girls to like where I'm now confused as to why
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it ever got said. With this reaction that they're having
now freaking out about it being.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Repeated, So basically, Deanna, in terms of wrapping your head
around this mess, because the timelines are so insane, you
have an amazing question about the dinner. Why you're basically saying,
why would Gretchen want to tell a lie if in
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fact it's a lie that she was roofed and went
to the hospital at this dinner to two current housewives
and their partners? Is it loose lips, Lucy? Could she's drunk?
What are your thoughts on that, Deanna? Why would she
That's what you're asking.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Then I can go back to that being the truth
that she did go to the hospital and that the
setup was the lie detector test, and that it didn't
actually get an accurate reading on the truth and a lie,
So that can be a possibility actually too.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I love that we have options to these answers because
there are so many people speculating that the line detector
test was a setup, that they were setting up Katie.
So we've all seen the polygraphers' resumes, that's all been
shared everywhere, and everyone's like, we don't believe anything they say.
We don't believe this and that, and Emily is standing
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by that this is not a setup. You know, this
is you know, it's for me show. Yeah that Emily,
not Emily a primary the one we called Emily. So
I think it's great to look at all these options.
So if it was a setup, then Gretchen could have
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told the truth at that dinner that that is what happened,
and then the lie detector test was proven that she
didn't lie, but she was covered and they were setting
up Katie to take her down. Okay, personally, I don't
feel like it was a full setup to take Katie down.
Do I think that the lie detectors were accurate? No,
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but I do not think that.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It was.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Emily, Emily and Gina doing this to specifically, you know,
fudge the numbers.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Right, they were doing it to take Katie down, but
the setting up a lie detector that was a for
Gaizy exactly take her down. And at least in there
I could see them, you know, not knowing. It wasn't
a great lie detector exam.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
So why would Gretchen bring this up add a dinner
with Current Housewives? And when was the dinner?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
The dinner was in September of twenty twenty four, and.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
So that was before she was asked to be a housewife.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
That's right. Well, that's before it was announced. It sounds
like they were in talks for a while. That's why
I'm wondering if she saw if she's kind of forming
her alliances in September.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yeah, okay, God that so she's forming her alliances. That's
a theory. There you go sharing deep information about.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
September twenty ninth, twenty twenty four. Is that dinner and
October twenty twenty four, no date, but October is when
Kiki and Katie have a picture together at lunch. That's
after the union reunion, before the beginning of the season.
Because Shannon filmed Love Hotel in September of twenty two.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Thank you Calender, Emily. Nice work, Deanna.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
You wanted to say one other thing to add is
that what we also have to add to the mix
is that we witnessed Gretchen tell two people that she
did go to the hospital the next morning, real time,
not she didn't do it back in the day, back
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at a dinner in twenty four on the season this season,
and within weeks or days however long it took to
film the lie detector test. She's saying to them when
they're asking her point blank, remember when you said to
us that you did go to the hospital. She's saying,
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I never said that, and we have the footage of it.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, she said me, I must have misspoke. I never never.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
You mispake, you misspake? How do you misspect? Misspoke?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
What misspoke?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Is it bespoke? Do you mispake? How do you misspeak
about that? It's a life cla fla fla fla suh to.
That's where I'm like, yes, Tamra, I don't believe Gretchen
for a second about this situation. I don't know what
is the truth, but I know that she's lying. She's
lying in our faces, right in our faces. And it's
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and even when remember when hearkening back to when they
were in New Orleans and she was getting this information,
her face set it all. And at the meeting with Kiki,
her face set it all. I can't believe that she
said us to I can't believe that. Why would and
we did something that and like she it's everything that
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she is showing us physically that she's lying. So ill
we already know right on the count of three, we
all agree that she's lying. One two three, Yeah, question,
it's okay, great, we.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Still don't know the truth. What is she lying about?
You know? Yeah, we're lying about I have a feeling. Yeah.
She I think Slade in her didn't fully get very
very clear about like this whole thing, and she said
it to Shannon and to Tamra like she's got she
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got confused about what she should be saying. And she's
saying the next morning I was in the hospital, and
then who was.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Like, no, it's the next morning.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Never so right, I think that, But we have to
remember that we got here because Katie said she didn't
talk to Keiki about this. Yeah, so she could have
talked to she's saying she never talked to Keiki about
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any of this, which could have been I think what
happened was Katie didn't maybe know that this was very crazy.
I mean, she knew it was very crazy, but she
didn't know it wasn't public knowledge. Maybe on some level,
is there a way where she's talking.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
To no, I mean her her past of going to
Bravo babe, and that that to begin with the filming
of Shannon, and I don't care what or what she
wasn't going to do with that but it just that's
just adds to the list. And now the Kiki thing,
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these are three huge and if I'm missing anything, tell me,
but these are three huge lies in the like paparazzi
that okay, right, and we don't know about, but it
shows that she's messy enough to continuously go to people,
to continuously go to bloggers or sources. And again we've
all said it and we all agree, yes, of course
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to some degree the housewives, all their hands are dirty,
they're getting in the mess here and there and stuff
like that, but not to this degree in which she
is just throwing everything at the wall.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
And well, Tamara has thrown it all at the wall
and we keep taking her back.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
She's I think the fact that a new housewife is
part of what we're factoring in. And you know, right,
take it or leave it. But it's just came in.
You came in like you've been there ten years and
you're working your contacts and you've been through the ringer,
Like we love you to come in out with a
little bit of a fresh energy.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
You know, it's wild that Katie is like, I will
die on this hill that I did not speak to Kiki.
Tell Kiki. Yeah, and that to me is terrifying. Dement
it because I don't believe in a world that she
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didn't tell that to Kiki. Now, let me enter in Sheena,
because we're good as gold here. Now. Sheena has moved
from the valley down to Orange County and now she
is involved, which is great for her and the Shenanigans podcast.
But because Keiki is always on her podcast and they
have a friendship, and because she is really close with
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Gretchen and has been four years since like twenty fourteen,
and the reason why, and Sheena said something along the
lines of, like, why isn't Gretchen shown in any of
the footage for a lot of the things that you're
involved with when you've been filming, And her whole thing
is like, they don't really like to show the cross
pollination sometimes, which is weird. They do when they're in
(15:22):
charge of it and when they construct it, the network
or the producers, Yeah, but not when it's rogue, you know.
So I get that makes sense, and I believe they've
got a real friendship. Shina also has said she has
never ever heard Gretchen tell her that she had to
go to the hospital and that there was a toxicology
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report and they found drugs in her system and that
she was allegedly roofed. Sheena spoke on that I think
today even saying or whenever she did this in the
last twenty four hours, who knows. She never heard this information.
So now Sheena is brought into this by Facebok Reality sixteen.
And the conspiracy theory is that Sheena told Kiki Okay,
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Katie and Teddy because Katie was on Teddy's podcast. Katie
and Teddy are alleging that Sheena well.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Old Teddy also Tamra's podcast, right, okay, but Tamra wasn't on.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
She was interviewing. But yes, yes, you're getting your head
around it exactly.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
So Katie was with on the Tamra and.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
To Tea's in a pod and it was just to interview.
It was just Katie, one t it was one T
past well because past isn't allowed to recap Orange County.
It's a conflict and she can't be there. Yeah, okay, So,
and I haven't listened to that full podcast yet because
there's just too much out there. I you know, I
had to go through Face Reality sixteen highlights last night.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
You know, I mean one woman, but like I hear, okay,
so Sina's saying she's heard her say she went to
the hospital after that. But but back, guess who has
heard her say it? Way to have you know, so
I don't know you know what I mean? He said
it to us, So we watched her, watch the words
come out of her mouth. So like, okay, but we
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have so someone has.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
And why wouldn't Gretchen say that to Sena after all
these years and then go to it and then go
to a dinner and not and say, not tell Sena,
but then tell this dinner Because Teddy said something along
the lines of like you're really good at not answering questions.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Oh this is like my head's I think. Just at
the end of the day, they're both lying, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
That's exactly right, which brings me back to this is
a cast full of liar faces, which you know, we're
always going to have a bunch of liar faces. I mean,
that's how things. We still don't even know who sold
the stories to. Uh what was a Lisa vander Pump?
What what rag was that for the puppy?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Yeah, was it? Okay magazine no, what was it?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Damn it Angler, we all knew it. We all knew it.
Mirror Daily Mail, Hello, oh, Daily Mail.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Hello Hello.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
We still don't know. We still don't know who's sold
the puppy Gate stories to right to Daily Mail, I mean,
or whatever. So you know, everyone's gonna lie at some point.
We expect that in every season, no problem, but here
we have a collision of liar faces, and this is
too much for us all to handle, and it's involving
outside bloggers and outside people, and it's getting to be
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way too much. Yeah, it's it's exciting because now we're
trying to unravel all of this. But then, just like
you said, Emily, at the end of the day, we
unravel it to the exactly the same place, which is
just a not in the middle of lies of.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Everybody telling lies of obvious lies, like they're so obvious
to me. There's like it's not even it's like, Gretchen,
you said on camera that this isn't true. Katie, you've
this is your pattern camera you are lying about like
walking in here like it's just everybody like it's just
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so easy to like pinpoint it. And then the thing
that is not sitting well with me is that Katie
gets sidelined. Katie gets sidelined on it, and then yeah,
I mean there's definitely damage control and issues that I
don't like about Katie's lies. But then with Gretchen too,
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and I will say I appreciate, I know, like we're
kind of recapping the face reality thing. I do appreciate
if they're like that episode was fucking bonkers of naked
and wasted and could never air now because the whole
thing top to bottom is fucking wild.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah, and that's really like, that's what's interesting about it
is that we're not talking about I mean we are.
I think some people are talking about how that was
and how messed up that was. And maybe that's exactly
why maybe Tamra gotta try to get okay, hold on,
here's where we're thinking on the fly, all right, now,
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now here we go, okay, Deanna, So we so we
got Tamra seeing this come down the pipeline and she's like,
this is really bad for me because that is unacceptable
to do essentially back then and right and in this
day and age. It's gonna look really, really bad when
we start digging up naked wasted. So I better get
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ahead of this, get my mixer out, and start trying
to cause so much chaos between everybody else so that
it takes the the glare off of what I did
all those years ago. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
I don't know either, because she took it directly to Gretchen. Now,
I guess you could say maybe Tama thought I have her.
Each way, if she says that that's what happened, I'm
gonna sew her ass off. And if she says it
didn't happen, then we got Katie.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
So either way, I am nailing her to the wall.
I'm nailing someone to the wall.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
The only person who could ever fight in the ring
several battles at once is one Tamra Judge.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, except for to your point, though, I don't think
she wants I don't think she wants this out there
anymore than it already is. And I don't think she
by suing them, that whole episode's gonna get very good. Yeah,
and so.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
It's not great.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, that's not great. It's weird because in a weird way, Gretchen, Slade,
and Tamara are all aligned that they would like to
change the subject please for very different reasons. Yeah, Katie
is the only one bringing this up.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
So yeah, if we're taking the okay, So then let
me ask you this based on this episode we just saw,
we have a sit down at the top of the show,
close to the top of the show with Jen and Katie,
who apparently we're both at that dinner at the same time.
That's it that we know they're at the dinner where
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this information did or did not get said. Jen, if
she knows it was said, is sitting down for a
one on one where she has to get ready to
lie in her friend's face.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Right.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
So, here's what my experience of that sit down was
is like it took a while for Katie to say
to her, well, you were there and you heard it too,
Like that should be the first they're sitting down. It
should be the first thing out of her mouth when
they start talking about it, like, Jen, are you kidding me?
You were there? But she isn't. She's first starting out
with the lie detector.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Like right now, yes, sus as this you know.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
That feels a little weird to me. And then we
have Jen, who I'm like, is she that could she
be that good about.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
A liar, right, because I believe her too when she speaks.
But then at the same time, I'm like, there must
be something writing on this so bad that she's so
committed to this. That's the only way she did be
able to get through this. I agree with you. Jen
looks so believable.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
But she looked believable with the Ryan stuff too.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, that part, But that also was ignorance.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
And this may be true. She may not have heard
it like she on it. I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
She may not have a.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Dinner table at a restaurant. Maybe there was another conversation
going on. Maybe she was in the bathroom, like if
this is like, if you're going to argue this in court,
She's got a lot of deniability here. There's a like
you she can say, I just didn't hear that one sentence, right.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Right, I remember She's like, I guess that happened when
they were singing Happy Birthday to the table over there,
and I was saying, yes.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
And almost the Mastros has the best birthday song, Happy,
happy Birthday, we want to celebrate. Yeah, so they come
out either Dubro loves that. Yeah that I agree with you.
So there could be a world where Jen genuinely did
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not hear some key words and is able to say
I heard her talk about naked wasted, but I didn't
hear the drugs in the system hospital part, okay, And
Katie is like, you were there. You had to have
heard it. We were all there.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Assuming assuming Jen is saying she heard the hospital by
the way, just like the next day, or because she
wasn't feeling well, Jen is committing to the hospital portion,
just not the drug portion.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
And Ryan is denying.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
What's where.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
He says he's on a group call with Slade and Matt.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Matt really was making me laugh about like do you
think him on the because Matt, I mean, first of all,
the credit I give Matt I have to check in
with myself on because it's like, are the glasses and
the tidy hair and the you know, Russie, Am I
giving a white man everything? Because you know, I'm giving
(25:33):
him so much freaking credit. That said, he admits that
they were going to cover it up. He's like Slade said,
we are all and he admits it, like, yes, we
are going to be in alignment with you. You know,
got it? Because I guess this is what we do
(25:53):
here on this show, Like this is like a cult.
You believe him because he really believable. And also I'm like,
this is like a first season house husband who just
doesn't seem to be thirsty at all for the gig,
and so he seems to just be trying to do
whatever the right thing is for his wife and the show.
(26:15):
Like he doesn't know, you know, he's like, sure, we're
all on saying this great, which I found very believable.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
So then it's like Katie decided to go rogue on
all of them, including her husband.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
And let me also mention that there is a very
solid foundation that lives under Katie, which is not just
liar but embellishment and taking it a step further, which
is where I believe I kind of believe Jen in
that Katie was like, oh, she heard hospital, she heard
(26:55):
they tested her blood, and then she took it to
they found drugs in her system because why would they
test her blood if she was you know, okay. So
it's like, okay, so Katie is like she's taking it
to the next level and then.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Even just like filling it in like I honestly I
would do that too. I would think I would think
that if somebody told me that that happened, I would
fill in the blanks and go with the fill in
the blank story.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
But you wouldn't tell other people that that was fact
and that that person said that.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I think in my head I would. In terms of
Gretchen saying I went after naked wasted, I think Gretchen
must have used the word drugged at some even She's
like I had laughing or whatever.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Like I drugged. I was so sick.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
I drugged me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I wondered if
I was drugged. That's how that's how messed up I was.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
But you'd think that Gretchen would say, well, no, you
can't trust what she's going to say. But you'd think
that even Jen would say, I remember her joking around
and maybe and maybe Gretchen could say, yeah, it was
joking around it how sick I was. I maybe I
mentioned I felt like I was drugged, but that would
make her guilty of, you know, accusing Tamra of drugging
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her ish ish. But I think that like what you
were saying, Emily, I agree as as investigators that we are,
you know, we would be putting two and two together,
and it's possible that that Gretchen was laying out a
nice little blanket for everybody to fill in the blanks,
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to get right, to get them on her side against Tamra.
So she was lightly sprinkling things out there on purpose
to get them to think the worst of Tamra, which
is like I don't know, and naked wasted, Well, I
got a story about that, but I mean that was
not just naked wasted that. I mean who even knows?
I mean like wow, because I mean, like I was
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so sick I had to go like I'm the hospital,
you know, I mean who knows, like blood and tests?
You know, it could have been anything where words are
being thrown out. And then Katie is just just rabid,
rabid for information and because she's wanting to be the
(29:25):
bone collector to be on the Housewives, so she's going
to take this and run with it, which is what
she did.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
And we can't forget because as you're like laying that
picture out, I'm thinking, I'm thinking of Ryan sitting there,
and I'm thinking of what Tamra, how she exposed him
so badly last season. I'm thinking of Jen who was
at her wits end and was screaming at Tamra last
at the end of the season, and then you have
(29:53):
Gretchen and Slade who literally are back to take her down.
So there's a lot of juice at that table wanting
to take to.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Riship just right exactly, and that's the motive. So getting
back to our original question, why would Gretchen go and
meet with a table of housewives and their partners and
bring this up? And that is what it is. I
think that she laid out some breadcrumbs that were so
big and that Katie ran like hell with it, and
(30:28):
maybe Gretchen didn't expect her to run that hard with
the ball, using some terms, and then that she would
run that hard with the ball and then actually go
to a source and tell them this. That's where backfired,
which is why when Gretchen is confronted with this information,
all she can say is, I can't believe she did
(30:49):
something like this. I can't believe she did something like this.
Why would It's insane because she didn't think she would
take it that far. So it's like, well she did.
You didn't know who you were dealing with, and now
you have to pick up the pieces. This is a
mess that you and Slid started all right, pause on that.
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the way that we feel is necessary, even though at
the end of the day, Emily, what do we say,
They're both lying, They're all liars. They're all lying.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Uh, it's the spider Man meme so cited in the
Face Reality sixteenth.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Oh is it?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
It's just yeah, yeah, yeah, they're all like pointing at
each other, the right man with their names on them,
like right, Camra, Bravo.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Well, at that beach day, I thought that was unbelievable
day for everybody. I mean, first of all, Katie wasn't
there Friday, good news Friday. I kind of was like
when Shannon's daughter showed up. Unfortunately she had that breakup.
That was such a bummer. Everyone's stories about breakups were
(36:33):
not uplifting at all. None of them were. They were
all surfacing from like middle school, and I was like,
none of you are on her level. None of these
stories are going to make whatever make me feel better.
It's not relatable at all. And on top of it,
Heather was like, but at the end of the day,
he turned out to be gay, so it wasn't really
that I got dumped because I am not a man,
(36:55):
so he wasn't interested in me. I was like, Heather,
why are you making this about you? Don't make yourself
look better?
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Help her?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
You know, I just I resented that about everybody, And
that biggest problem.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I thought I thought it was fun. I thought it
was like, this is like break up light because like
we all know their divorces have been a horror show,
so they.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Should have said something about that. They should have been like,
you're young, because look at me, and it's only going
to get worse.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Yeah, they're like, don't look over here. As the best
case scenario is just I thought it was fun. I did.
I kind of did think it was fun too. The stories.
It wasn't helpful per se. It wasn't helpful, but it
lighten the load.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
You know.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
It's just like they're gonna come and go and they're
stupid and you know.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, because it's like Shannon's worst breakup is John Janssen
and or David Badore. Like we know Simon's a nightmare
from Tampa.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
So it's like it would have been fun to have
them joke those off.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
I have to say, I have to give Tamara a
lot of credit because that story about her going into
her ex boyfriend's house and taking a knife and just
slitting up that that's psychotic for the And then but
the funniest part is her coming out to the garage
with a knife and him pulling in with his new
girlfriend and then backing out and running away. Hilarious.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Yes, like these women will admit to crimes the ps
that's a crime.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I don't. I love that for her, I loved it
for us. But then it was interesting to see Tamar
and Gretchen actually sit down and have a bit of
an apology. I knew that we would see it at
some point. Obviously it's not going to last.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
It's I do you really think Tamra prevented Slade from
getting jobs? It was like, no me either, Slade did
to Slade. Anybody that looks Slate up or knows anything
about the show has their own opinions on Slade as
a person, So I don't know if someone was directly
(39:13):
associated with Tamra as a human, not on the show.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Maybe, but like jobs with an S, no, I think
I sort of yeah, sorry, Oh, I'm just going to say,
I think that it's a good excuse for Slade to use.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
It's also plausible that during that time, it was, you know,
the internet was such a new thing in a way
back then, and it is possible that it did affect
a job or a conversation maybe two tops, But then
so many years have gone by, so it does seem like,
(39:54):
you know, he would have been able to get through that,
and so I didn't really at the end of the day,
I can't. I can't give him that, but I think
maybe maybe for one or two, I'll give him that.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I'll give him one maybe one.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Which then it turns into with an S.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah, all right, yeah, maybe, I mean Slade is Slade.
He did himself not one favor on that show. So
you can just watch footage of that if you or
I don't know, Yeah, I don't think. I also was
surprised that Tamara a bit so quick when Gretchen said
that she's like what And that's the thing that like,
(40:34):
let me screw it up and hug you.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
It knees together so emily because she brought Joe to
the beach. This girl, Tama, you can't get there's not
things don't never come out of her mouth. I buy
it when she says it, Like, I'm like, oh, she
seemed to really feel that that she cost him jobs.
I had the same exact feeling. But I'm like, she's
(40:57):
so slippery within these conversations with you can't get a
hold of her.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
She's the greatest reality star of all time. I mean, honestly,
I have to give it to her in terms of
being so villainous and then also likable at the same time. Yeah,
so diabolical in many ways and somewhat authentic. It is
(41:26):
a wild balance. And that's why I'm saying, especially for
a decade, right.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, she does that.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
She will cry at the drop of a hat, and
you feel her sincerity immediately when she apologizes immediately, and
she can turn on a dime like like the wind.
It's nuts.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, And it feels much more believable than like not
that Vicky ever was like lying about that it just
feels more grounded with Tamera than it does with like
a Vicky.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
Absolutely, yeah, Vicky has so much self hatred that.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
She I know.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Really sorry, I that's so sad, I absolutely do.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Y see, I think it's Vicky. I think I think
she has an inflated sense of self in a good way.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
That can be true too, but she has a lot
of self hatred. She may also like hype her own
self up and all of that, but I think at
the core she's she's very angry.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
You know. It sounds like you're describing.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
Well, maybe that's why they both.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Yeah, maybe they're both you know, Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
I just like, yeah, she is great because you for
all those reasons, and it's why I have a hard time, Like,
I guess what I'm saying for me Vicky is she
doesn't have the nuance that Tamra does. So it's hard
to like her many. You know, you may enjoy what
(43:15):
like her overall, but like as a person, I would
have a very hard time dealing with Vicky. For Tamra,
I could see myself.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah, I get it, because she's not ground red ship. Absolutely,
she seems loyal as hell and then she like Kyle, Yes, like.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Yeah, Kyle, people that aren't on the show. Yeah, she's
tight with Kyle now because it's Teddy.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Oh right right, you're right, Yeah, I completely agree. And
then we have Shannon sitting at that beach picnic like,
I guess I'm the only one who's fine. They've made up,
which we obviously know because the mid season trailer camera
does basically like that's my opinion, but flips off Gretchen
(44:04):
in her face and screams like that.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
So when Shannon gave one of her classic lines and
this is what I live for with her first of all,
sauntering up to that beach in an oversized black sweatsuit
and a crazy hat, I was like, girl, you don't.
I have never seen someone give less of an f
being on The Real Housewives of Then this season, like
(44:33):
she is putting on whatever is not dirty truly in
her house, truly whatever not in the bin?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Well that that could have been in the bin. It
was all Black's.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
It wasn't in the bin.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
It wasn't a been had had the least amount of
archie here, it's gonna show. She was rolling it out.
She was a roller in the car on the way there.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
I mean, that's giving more than I can imagine her
giving because she really doesn't care this season. But when
they when she saw them skipping back and she's like,
oh god, you know, I'm the last one. And then
they were like someone's like is it well, is this
the first step? And you know it is a step,
and Shannon's like, is it step one of multiple steps?
(45:23):
You know, just trying to get the lay of the land,
like are we in or is it multiple? Or you know, yeah,
what sort of timeline are we looking at here? You know,
She's like, I love this girl. She's so funny.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Can we go from the Manila envelope that Katie brought
about the polygraphers to Jen? And then that envelope goes
to another lunch where Jen presents it with Shannon No,
Heather and Tamra, where Tamra and Jen kind of make up.
(46:02):
And I have to say I laughed. I actually laughed
out loud when Heather took that selfie with them in
the background. She's like, thought sucks. And then she made
a hilarious face that was so funny. She's like, this
is going I feel really good about this.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
She was like we'll see.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Yeah, that was awesome, and I liked how Jen was
very honest in making up with her. I mean, I
like the moves that Jen makes when she is in
these one on one situations and is yet that's why
this is so difficult is that you have another person
involved that was a witness to all of this that
(46:40):
cannot co sign what Katie is saying, and it is
something nice kind of oh well, kind of a half
witness because she heard hospital hospital, she heard hospital.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Right, Okay, got it.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
Right, Which thank you for reminding me of that, Diana,
because that is a very important piece of the puzzle,
because I forgot very important. She has acknowledged hospital hospital
smells like hospital.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Jen go very far with somebody, though, because let's not
forget when Ryan answers in total darkness in a black
vacuum on FaceTime, when she's on a girl's trip and
it's like, what, no, just taking a nap, just totally alone,
taking a nap. Let's talk. It's two pm, Ryan, why
(47:26):
is it pitch dark? Like why are you doing this?
So she and she's like, okay, whatever, let's get married.
And then I do think she'll believe whatever she wants
to believe to like whatever is the spot in the situation.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
Yeah, yeah, she's in a spot, and you know, just
like these other people have their motives, she's trying to live.
She's trying to, you know, lock down some money. The
croissants in a box, I'll never forget it, you know,
was that was that?
Speaker 3 (48:02):
Wass?
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Jen? Oh?
Speaker 3 (48:03):
It was Jen. Everybody's come on a budget.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
Everybody got a budget. And Heather was like, you know,
I mean, Heather's like.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
They were nibbling on it. They were nibbling on those nib.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
You know, listen, you could have put it on a box.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
People will nibble.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Emily Simpson learned her lesson from going so hard on
Jen about being like not having the same amount of
money as everybody, because remember she went on her, went
in on her so hard about that last year, and
so when she opened up the croissante, she's like, I
love it.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Oh, Emily, Gina did you mean Gina?
Speaker 2 (48:45):
And Emily She's like, this is great, this is exactly
I love it.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
That's exactly that's exactly what I want, which actually gives
a lot of clout, if you will, to the authenticity
of Real housewives. When someone has to host a party,
but he didn't give her obviously didn't give her a
budget for that, or if they did, it was they
covered them. Yeah, it covered the seating.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
She spent the whole stick candles in the centerpieces that
came down right away as soon as they said, we
have these.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
For an hour, we have these for an hour. But
also there were several extras at that. You know, we
had Shannon's daughter, then we had Joe, Then we had
Gina's husband's new girlfriendt Britt, which that story is wild
about nd Oh my god, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Gina had one of her Gina's She's like, uh because
she said uh when she's over there and she says
to Matt she I had to go back and hear
it again because she was like, was a good was
a good beef up wall? And I was like, beef
on the walls of his arteries? Like I was like,
what is she talking about? And then she said it
(49:56):
was a good wake up call. But I heard it
was a good beef up call.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
You got you got the beef on the walls of you. Well,
it's like, is this a red meat and arteries?
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Right? But that honestly, it was good because it's like
you see Matt and he looks healthy, you know, but
like you, it's a good reminder to get that check
because you could have that David Letterman heart where it's
like everything is healthy and then you have a heart attack.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
So many people who are healthy in their runners and
they and they have heart attacks. And then it made me.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Just like that genetics. But what were you gonna say
about We're gonna say about.
Speaker 4 (50:39):
Let's end on that sentence. Yea, they just have that genetics.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
We we will wrap it up. We will wrap it up.
But this story has tentacles because now it's reaching Sena
and it's bringing us.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
All as arteries.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
It has you know what. So you know, we don't
know where this will lead us. But at the end
of the day, let's get it together. Orange County. Can
we have somebody please be honest on this show, for
the love of for the love of Orange County.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
I don't know, maybe the waiter heard it. Can you
imagine if the waiter comes through.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
I mean, it's actually taking outside people for us to believe,
like Kiki Monique is why we are locking in on
a truth line. If she wasn't stepping in, I don't
know where we would be, yeah, because we wouldn't know
where to land.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
I wouldn't believe Katie at all, right, yeah right, and
I yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Right, but but I mean, now we really don't believe
Katie on that. But it's also like it gives it
does and it actually is acting Gretchen's lie, like we
really did need an outside source to come in and
so that we know where to stand our ground on this.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Yeah, it's weird too to have Gretchen and her confessional
be like, you know, I got all my blie detector tests,
right woo, and it's like but but but but but
but but but but but you're still a liar, Like
we all know it, and so we're we have to negate.
We have to negate that detector test. We have to because.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Lying to and also we know it's bullshit anyway, we
know that. So that's another thing that we've learned, is
like blie detector tests can't be administered like that and
get the correct results.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
So well, alrighty, then so we shall we'll just ride
this out till the end of the season, shall we.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
I don't think we have a choice.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
I don't think we have a choice, all right, Well,
Love you gals for doing this with me, really truly,
thank you for putting your motion in this. I'm connecting
to all I detector test right now. Did you hear
that alarm going off? I was lagged.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
I was like significantly.
Speaker 3 (53:15):
I hope that we can all rest from this over
the weekend. And you know, you know.
Speaker 4 (53:23):
Heart, I didn't know I needed to regroup over it,
but like I'm hearing that, like it's time to sort.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
Of, Yeah, let's step away from it for a minute.
Let let the social media do what they're going to do. Yeah,
and we'll come back in later.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
Tell you what, I'm not listening to Sena. I'll tell
you that much right now. Okay, I don't care. I'll
I am deleting her contributions.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
Okay. I'm not going to go down the Sheena rabbit hole.
I don't think that has anything to do with it.
So I'm I'm pushing that out. Shenanigans is out.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
Okay, but you're both still sharing your location with her,
which is fucked up.
Speaker 3 (53:59):
I know I can I get away from it, Okay, everybody,
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Speaker 4 (54:19):
Bye,
Drama Darling, Drama Darling.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
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Orange County?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I mean I'm gonna say yes, And then the second
that we're done, there's going to be one million things
that hit online. Yeah. Right, Well, this negates everything I
just said.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Deanna, May I welcome you, but way I welcome you
both in. We thank you. You are so welcome, You
are so welcome. It's good to be here with you ladies. Again.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I really do believe our last episode should be submitted
for the Pulitzer or whatever award is out there.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I agree with it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
We could, you know, because I think we did some
real things on that episode.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I think we did some real thinking.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah, we had our real time. Yes, thank the moment,
Thank you Alan for clarifying that the help of everyone else.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Exactly, no one needed to chime in. We were asking,
We were asking the right questions, just like Jodie Foster
and we were asking each other questions. We were challenging
one another, we were challenging ourselves, We were challenging the
philosophy of life itself. And I feel like we really
dug down. So if you do listen to.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
That challenged, we were challenged.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
You had to listen it from beginning to end because
we evolve as people, and our opinions evolve, and we evolve.
So I have a feeling that might happen again today.
But we'll see, because here we have Orange County, and
what is happening is that we have a race for
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the villains. Who you know, in our opinion, who is
the biggest villain on Orange County, who is the one
that's lying the most, and which one in the end
is going to win the award for Biggest Villain, because
at this point.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
One of three we should say who it is when
you're gosh.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
But I'm not ready.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Get I am ready either, I'm gonna I'm gonna say
it one two three.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Slade chin oh, I wasn't ready.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
I wasn't ready.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I wasn't ready. So basically it's Slade where we're pointing
the fingers and honestly, Emily, I think we're I think
you're off to a great start there. I mean, you know,
quite frankly, when you know, if you haven't seen you know,
my friend chef Stewart O'Keeffe's podcast, Let It stew he
had Matt on Katie Janella's husband and and he really
(03:29):
breaks down a lot of what happened between in the
conversation with with Slade. I was to say it with
like Vicky and like that he was throwing out that
Slade was throwing out. Oh, and he also said that,
you know, on the show, he was saying all kinds
of stuff on the show. So between those two things,
Matt really has quite the voice in this saying that
(03:50):
Slade was talking about Alex Baskin. He was on the
other line with Alex Baskin. He he showed us on
the show all of the phone records. Okay, yeah, uh huh,
I know what you're say it because.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
What because they we didn't see it. We know we
see phone, we didn't. We didn't. We saw his phone
and a few things from Slade, and then we just
saw Matt's side of the chat in the text.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
That's what they blurred out. They blurred outlay.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Because they don't blur that out usually. They usually show
us the whole conversation. So I didn't know why they
did that.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Well, are you sure they did?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Do?
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Both people have to sign off on it.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I was just gonna say, I don't housewives, and this is.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
A different kind of story. If Alex Baskin is on
the other end and he's involved, it's blurred okay.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
So but but I thought this was with Slade.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
But what Amy is saying is it we're talking about
a legal issue that could be Why makes that?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yah got it? Okay, Okay, that phone conversation and all
the receipts that Matt as that he was on a
three way call. It was Slade and Matt and Ryan.
Oh and Ryan. See that was interesting. Because I didn't
know that Ryan was on those calls, which which says
so much about if he's protecting you know, the situation
(05:17):
as well Jen, and then Jen to Gretchen and so
that to me is really strong evidence that they are,
in fact, in Slade's words, holding the line. And you know,
and just the idea that Matt is saying that Slade
said Gretchen is going to lie or Gretchen is not
(05:40):
going to say that she's going to deny.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Face reality sixteen. I love that account. As we all know,
they did that timeline again. They keep updating this timeline
on here, so that is helpful.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
And and we've now Sena has entered the chat, but
we'll get to that in a second. Okay, So, okay,
timeline for question's life, if.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
You don't mind, I just want to get my head
straight for one beat here, did the two of them,
Did Gretchen and Slade have a plan to say I
went to the hospital when they sat down at this
restaurant and Mastro's it and then they never expected the
girls to like where I'm now confused as to why
(06:23):
it ever got said. With this reaction that they're having
now freaking out about it being.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Repeated, So basically, Deanna, in terms of wrapping your head
around this mess, because the timelines are so insane, you
have an amazing question about the dinner. Why you're basically saying,
why would Gretchen want to tell a lie if in
(06:50):
fact it's a lie that she was roofed and went
to the hospital at this dinner to two current housewives
and their partners? Is it loose lips, Lucy? Could she's drunk?
What are your thoughts on that, Deanna? Why would she
That's what you're asking.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Then I can go back to that being the truth
that she did go to the hospital and that the
setup was the lie detector test, and that it didn't
actually get an accurate reading on the truth and a lie,
So that can be a possibility actually too.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I love that we have options to these answers because
there are so many people speculating that the line detector
test was a setup, that they were setting up Katie.
So we've all seen the polygraphers' resumes, that's all been
shared everywhere, and everyone's like, we don't believe anything they say.
We don't believe this and that, and Emily is standing
(07:45):
by that this is not a setup. You know, this
is you know, it's for me show. Yeah that Emily,
not Emily a primary the one we called Emily. So
I think it's great to look at all these options.
So if it was a setup, then Gretchen could have
(08:08):
told the truth at that dinner that that is what happened,
and then the lie detector test was proven that she
didn't lie, but she was covered and they were setting
up Katie to take her down. Okay, personally, I don't
feel like it was a full setup to take Katie down.
Do I think that the lie detectors were accurate? No,
(08:31):
but I do not think that.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It was.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Emily, Emily and Gina doing this to specifically, you know,
fudge the numbers.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Right, they were doing it to take Katie down, but
the setting up a lie detector that was a for
Gaizy exactly take her down. And at least in there
I could see them, you know, not knowing. It wasn't
a great lie detector exam.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
So why would Gretchen bring this up add a dinner
with Current Housewives? And when was the dinner?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
The dinner was in September of twenty twenty four, and.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
So that was before she was asked to be a housewife.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
That's right. Well, that's before it was announced. It sounds
like they were in talks for a while. That's why
I'm wondering if she saw if she's kind of forming
her alliances in September.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yeah, okay, God that so she's forming her alliances. That's
a theory. There you go sharing deep information about.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
September twenty ninth, twenty twenty four. Is that dinner and
October twenty twenty four, no date, but October is when
Kiki and Katie have a picture together at lunch. That's
after the union reunion, before the beginning of the season.
Because Shannon filmed Love Hotel in September of twenty two.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Thank you Calender, Emily. Nice work, Deanna.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
You wanted to say one other thing to add is
that what we also have to add to the mix
is that we witnessed Gretchen tell two people that she
did go to the hospital the next morning, real time,
not she didn't do it back in the day, back
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at a dinner in twenty four on the season this season,
and within weeks or days however long it took to
film the lie detector test. She's saying to them when
they're asking her point blank, remember when you said to
us that you did go to the hospital. She's saying,
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I never said that, and we have the footage of it.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, she said me, I must have misspoke. I never never.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
You mispake, you misspake? How do you misspect? Misspoke?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
What misspoke?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Is it bespoke? Do you mispake? How do you misspeak
about that? It's a life cla fla fla fla suh to.
That's where I'm like, yes, Tamra, I don't believe Gretchen
for a second about this situation. I don't know what
is the truth, but I know that she's lying. She's
lying in our faces, right in our faces. And it's
(11:15):
and even when remember when hearkening back to when they
were in New Orleans and she was getting this information,
her face set it all. And at the meeting with Kiki,
her face set it all. I can't believe that she
said us to I can't believe that. Why would and
we did something that and like she it's everything that
(11:35):
she is showing us physically that she's lying. So ill
we already know right on the count of three, we
all agree that she's lying. One two three, Yeah, question,
it's okay, great, we.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Still don't know the truth. What is she lying about?
You know? Yeah, we're lying about I have a feeling. Yeah.
She I think Slade in her didn't fully get very
very clear about like this whole thing, and she said
it to Shannon and to Tamra like she's got she
(12:08):
got confused about what she should be saying. And she's
saying the next morning I was in the hospital, and
then who was.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Like, no, it's the next morning.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Never so right, I think that, But we have to
remember that we got here because Katie said she didn't
talk to Keiki about this. Yeah, so she could have
talked to she's saying she never talked to Keiki about
(12:40):
any of this, which could have been I think what
happened was Katie didn't maybe know that this was very crazy.
I mean, she knew it was very crazy, but she
didn't know it wasn't public knowledge. Maybe on some level,
is there a way where she's talking.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
To no, I mean her her past of going to
Bravo babe, and that that to begin with the filming
of Shannon, and I don't care what or what she
wasn't going to do with that but it just that's
just adds to the list. And now the Kiki thing,
(13:20):
these are three huge and if I'm missing anything, tell me,
but these are three huge lies in the like paparazzi
that okay, right, and we don't know about, but it
shows that she's messy enough to continuously go to people,
to continuously go to bloggers or sources. And again we've
all said it and we all agree, yes, of course
(13:42):
to some degree the housewives, all their hands are dirty,
they're getting in the mess here and there and stuff
like that, but not to this degree in which she
is just throwing everything at the wall.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
And well, Tamara has thrown it all at the wall
and we keep taking her back.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
She's I think the fact that a new housewife is
part of what we're factoring in. And you know, right,
take it or leave it. But it's just came in.
You came in like you've been there ten years and
you're working your contacts and you've been through the ringer,
Like we love you to come in out with a
little bit of a fresh energy.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
You know, it's wild that Katie is like, I will
die on this hill that I did not speak to Kiki.
Tell Kiki. Yeah, and that to me is terrifying. Dement
it because I don't believe in a world that she
(14:40):
didn't tell that to Kiki. Now, let me enter in Sheena,
because we're good as gold here. Now. Sheena has moved
from the valley down to Orange County and now she
is involved, which is great for her and the Shenanigans podcast.
But because Keiki is always on her podcast and they
have a friendship, and because she is really close with
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Gretchen and has been four years since like twenty fourteen,
and the reason why, and Sheena said something along the
lines of, like, why isn't Gretchen shown in any of
the footage for a lot of the things that you're
involved with when you've been filming, And her whole thing
is like, they don't really like to show the cross
pollination sometimes, which is weird. They do when they're in
(15:22):
charge of it and when they construct it, the network
or the producers, Yeah, but not when it's rogue, you know.
So I get that makes sense, and I believe they've
got a real friendship. Shina also has said she has
never ever heard Gretchen tell her that she had to
go to the hospital and that there was a toxicology
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report and they found drugs in her system and that
she was allegedly roofed. Sheena spoke on that I think
today even saying or whenever she did this in the
last twenty four hours, who knows. She never heard this information.
So now Sheena is brought into this by Facebok Reality sixteen.
And the conspiracy theory is that Sheena told Kiki Okay,
(16:08):
Katie and Teddy because Katie was on Teddy's podcast. Katie
and Teddy are alleging that Sheena well.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Old Teddy also Tamra's podcast, right, okay, but Tamra wasn't on.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
She was interviewing. But yes, yes, you're getting your head
around it exactly.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
So Katie was with on the Tamra and.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
To Tea's in a pod and it was just to interview.
It was just Katie, one t it was one T
past well because past isn't allowed to recap Orange County.
It's a conflict and she can't be there. Yeah, okay, So,
and I haven't listened to that full podcast yet because
there's just too much out there. I you know, I
had to go through Face Reality sixteen highlights last night.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
You know, I mean one woman, but like I hear, okay,
so Sina's saying she's heard her say she went to
the hospital after that. But but back, guess who has
heard her say it? Way to have you know, so
I don't know you know what I mean? He said
it to us, So we watched her, watch the words
come out of her mouth. So like, okay, but we
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have so someone has.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
And why wouldn't Gretchen say that to Sena after all
these years and then go to it and then go
to a dinner and not and say, not tell Sena,
but then tell this dinner Because Teddy said something along
the lines of like you're really good at not answering questions.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Oh this is like my head's I think. Just at
the end of the day, they're both lying, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
That's exactly right, which brings me back to this is
a cast full of liar faces, which you know, we're
always going to have a bunch of liar faces. I mean,
that's how things. We still don't even know who sold
the stories to. Uh what was a Lisa vander Pump?
What what rag was that for the puppy?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Yeah, was it? Okay magazine no, what was it?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Damn it Angler, we all knew it. We all knew it.
Mirror Daily Mail, Hello, oh, Daily Mail.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Hello Hello.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
We still don't know. We still don't know who's sold
the puppy Gate stories to right to Daily Mail, I mean,
or whatever. So you know, everyone's gonna lie at some point.
We expect that in every season, no problem, but here
we have a collision of liar faces, and this is
too much for us all to handle, and it's involving
outside bloggers and outside people, and it's getting to be
(18:39):
way too much. Yeah, it's it's exciting because now we're
trying to unravel all of this. But then, just like
you said, Emily, at the end of the day, we
unravel it to the exactly the same place, which is
just a not in the middle of lies of.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Everybody telling lies of obvious lies, like they're so obvious
to me. There's like it's not even it's like, Gretchen,
you said on camera that this isn't true. Katie, you've
this is your pattern camera you are lying about like
walking in here like it's just everybody like it's just
(19:15):
so easy to like pinpoint it. And then the thing
that is not sitting well with me is that Katie
gets sidelined. Katie gets sidelined on it, and then yeah,
I mean there's definitely damage control and issues that I
don't like about Katie's lies. But then with Gretchen too,
(19:38):
and I will say I appreciate, I know, like we're
kind of recapping the face reality thing. I do appreciate
if they're like that episode was fucking bonkers of naked
and wasted and could never air now because the whole
thing top to bottom is fucking wild.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah, and that's really like, that's what's interesting about it
is that we're not talking about I mean we are.
I think some people are talking about how that was
and how messed up that was. And maybe that's exactly
why maybe Tamra gotta try to get okay, hold on,
here's where we're thinking on the fly, all right, now,
(20:14):
now here we go, okay, Deanna, So we so we
got Tamra seeing this come down the pipeline and she's like,
this is really bad for me because that is unacceptable
to do essentially back then and right and in this
day and age. It's gonna look really, really bad when
we start digging up naked wasted. So I better get
(20:36):
ahead of this, get my mixer out, and start trying
to cause so much chaos between everybody else so that
it takes the the glare off of what I did
all those years ago. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
I don't know either, because she took it directly to Gretchen. Now,
I guess you could say maybe Tama thought I have her.
Each way, if she says that that's what happened, I'm
gonna sew her ass off. And if she says it
didn't happen, then we got Katie.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
So either way, I am nailing her to the wall.
I'm nailing someone to the wall.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
The only person who could ever fight in the ring
several battles at once is one Tamra Judge.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, except for to your point, though, I don't think
she wants I don't think she wants this out there
anymore than it already is. And I don't think she
by suing them, that whole episode's gonna get very good. Yeah,
and so.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
It's not great.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, that's not great. It's weird because in a weird way, Gretchen, Slade,
and Tamara are all aligned that they would like to
change the subject please for very different reasons. Yeah, Katie
is the only one bringing this up.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
So yeah, if we're taking the okay, So then let
me ask you this based on this episode we just saw,
we have a sit down at the top of the show,
close to the top of the show with Jen and Katie,
who apparently we're both at that dinner at the same time.
That's it that we know they're at the dinner where
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this information did or did not get said. Jen, if
she knows it was said, is sitting down for a
one on one where she has to get ready to
lie in her friend's face.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Right.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
So, here's what my experience of that sit down was
is like it took a while for Katie to say
to her, well, you were there and you heard it too,
Like that should be the first they're sitting down. It
should be the first thing out of her mouth when
they start talking about it, like, Jen, are you kidding me?
You were there? But she isn't. She's first starting out
with the lie detector.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Like right now, yes, sus as this you know.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
That feels a little weird to me. And then we
have Jen, who I'm like, is she that could she
be that good about.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
A liar, right, because I believe her too when she speaks.
But then at the same time, I'm like, there must
be something writing on this so bad that she's so
committed to this. That's the only way she did be
able to get through this. I agree with you. Jen
looks so believable.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
But she looked believable with the Ryan stuff too.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, that part, But that also was ignorance.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
And this may be true. She may not have heard
it like she on it. I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
She may not have a.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Dinner table at a restaurant. Maybe there was another conversation
going on. Maybe she was in the bathroom, like if
this is like, if you're going to argue this in court,
She's got a lot of deniability here. There's a like
you she can say, I just didn't hear that one sentence, right.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Right, I remember She's like, I guess that happened when
they were singing Happy Birthday to the table over there,
and I was saying, yes.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
And almost the Mastros has the best birthday song, Happy,
happy Birthday, we want to celebrate. Yeah, so they come
out either Dubro loves that. Yeah that I agree with you.
So there could be a world where Jen genuinely did
(24:22):
not hear some key words and is able to say
I heard her talk about naked wasted, but I didn't
hear the drugs in the system hospital part, okay, And
Katie is like, you were there. You had to have
heard it. We were all there.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Assuming assuming Jen is saying she heard the hospital by
the way, just like the next day, or because she
wasn't feeling well, Jen is committing to the hospital portion,
just not the drug portion.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
And Ryan is denying.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
What's where.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
He says he's on a group call with Slade and Matt.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Matt really was making me laugh about like do you
think him on the because Matt, I mean, first of all,
the credit I give Matt I have to check in
with myself on because it's like, are the glasses and
the tidy hair and the you know, Russie, Am I
giving a white man everything? Because you know, I'm giving
(25:33):
him so much freaking credit. That said, he admits that
they were going to cover it up. He's like Slade said,
we are all and he admits it, like, yes, we
are going to be in alignment with you. You know,
got it? Because I guess this is what we do
(25:53):
here on this show, Like this is like a cult.
You believe him because he really believable. And also I'm like,
this is like a first season house husband who just
doesn't seem to be thirsty at all for the gig,
and so he seems to just be trying to do
whatever the right thing is for his wife and the show.
(26:15):
Like he doesn't know, you know, he's like, sure, we're
all on saying this great, which I found very believable.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
So then it's like Katie decided to go rogue on
all of them, including her husband.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
And let me also mention that there is a very
solid foundation that lives under Katie, which is not just
liar but embellishment and taking it a step further, which
is where I believe I kind of believe Jen in
that Katie was like, oh, she heard hospital, she heard
(26:55):
they tested her blood, and then she took it to
they found drugs in her system because why would they
test her blood if she was you know, okay. So
it's like, okay, so Katie is like she's taking it
to the next level and then.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Even just like filling it in like I honestly I
would do that too. I would think I would think
that if somebody told me that that happened, I would
fill in the blanks and go with the fill in
the blank story.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
But you wouldn't tell other people that that was fact
and that that person said that.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I think in my head I would. In terms of
Gretchen saying I went after naked wasted, I think Gretchen
must have used the word drugged at some even She's
like I had laughing or whatever.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Like I drugged. I was so sick.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
I drugged me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I wondered if
I was drugged. That's how that's how messed up I was.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
But you'd think that Gretchen would say, well, no, you
can't trust what she's going to say. But you'd think
that even Jen would say, I remember her joking around
and maybe and maybe Gretchen could say, yeah, it was
joking around it how sick I was. I maybe I
mentioned I felt like I was drugged, but that would
make her guilty of, you know, accusing Tamra of drugging
(28:23):
her ish ish. But I think that like what you
were saying, Emily, I agree as as investigators that we are,
you know, we would be putting two and two together,
and it's possible that that Gretchen was laying out a
nice little blanket for everybody to fill in the blanks,
(28:43):
to get right, to get them on her side against Tamra.
So she was lightly sprinkling things out there on purpose
to get them to think the worst of Tamra, which
is like I don't know, and naked wasted, Well, I
got a story about that, but I mean that was
not just naked wasted that. I mean who even knows?
I mean like wow, because I mean, like I was
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so sick I had to go like I'm the hospital,
you know, I mean who knows, like blood and tests?
You know, it could have been anything where words are
being thrown out. And then Katie is just just rabid,
rabid for information and because she's wanting to be the
(29:25):
bone collector to be on the Housewives, so she's going
to take this and run with it, which is what
she did.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
And we can't forget because as you're like laying that
picture out, I'm thinking, I'm thinking of Ryan sitting there,
and I'm thinking of what Tamra, how she exposed him
so badly last season. I'm thinking of Jen who was
at her wits end and was screaming at Tamra last
at the end of the season, and then you have
(29:53):
Gretchen and Slade who literally are back to take her down.
So there's a lot of juice at that table wanting
to take to.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Riship just right exactly, and that's the motive. So getting
back to our original question, why would Gretchen go and
meet with a table of housewives and their partners and
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(35:46):
the way that we feel is necessary, even though at
the end of the day, Emily, what do we say,
They're both lying, They're all liars. They're all lying.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Uh, it's the spider Man meme so cited in the
Face Reality sixteenth.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Oh is it?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
It's just yeah, yeah, yeah, they're all like pointing at
each other, the right man with their names on them,
like right, Camra, Bravo.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Well, at that beach day, I thought that was unbelievable
day for everybody. I mean, first of all, Katie wasn't
there Friday, good news Friday. I kind of was like
when Shannon's daughter showed up. Unfortunately she had that breakup.
That was such a bummer. Everyone's stories about breakups were
(36:33):
not uplifting at all. None of them were. They were
all surfacing from like middle school, and I was like,
none of you are on her level. None of these
stories are going to make whatever make me feel better.
It's not relatable at all. And on top of it,
Heather was like, but at the end of the day,
he turned out to be gay, so it wasn't really
that I got dumped because I am not a man,
(36:55):
so he wasn't interested in me. I was like, Heather,
why are you making this about you? Don't make yourself
look better?
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Help her?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
You know, I just I resented that about everybody, And
that biggest problem.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I thought I thought it was fun. I thought it
was like, this is like break up light because like
we all know their divorces have been a horror show,
so they.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Should have said something about that. They should have been like,
you're young, because look at me, and it's only going
to get worse.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Yeah, they're like, don't look over here. As the best
case scenario is just I thought it was fun. I did.
I kind of did think it was fun too. The stories.
It wasn't helpful per se. It wasn't helpful, but it
lighten the load.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
You know.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
It's just like they're gonna come and go and they're
stupid and you know.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, because it's like Shannon's worst breakup is John Janssen
and or David Badore. Like we know Simon's a nightmare
from Tampa.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
So it's like it would have been fun to have
them joke those off.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
I have to say, I have to give Tamara a
lot of credit because that story about her going into
her ex boyfriend's house and taking a knife and just
slitting up that that's psychotic for the And then but
the funniest part is her coming out to the garage
with a knife and him pulling in with his new
girlfriend and then backing out and running away. Hilarious.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Yes, like these women will admit to crimes the ps
that's a crime.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I don't. I love that for her, I loved it
for us. But then it was interesting to see Tamar
and Gretchen actually sit down and have a bit of
an apology. I knew that we would see it at
some point. Obviously it's not going to last.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
It's I do you really think Tamra prevented Slade from
getting jobs? It was like, no me either, Slade did
to Slade. Anybody that looks Slate up or knows anything
about the show has their own opinions on Slade as
a person, So I don't know if someone was directly
(39:13):
associated with Tamra as a human, not on the show.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Maybe, but like jobs with an S, no, I think
I sort of yeah, sorry, Oh, I'm just going to say,
I think that it's a good excuse for Slade to use.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
It's also plausible that during that time, it was, you know,
the internet was such a new thing in a way
back then, and it is possible that it did affect
a job or a conversation maybe two tops, But then
so many years have gone by, so it does seem like,
(39:54):
you know, he would have been able to get through that,
and so I didn't really at the end of the day,
I can't. I can't give him that, but I think
maybe maybe for one or two, I'll give him that.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I'll give him one maybe one.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Which then it turns into with an S.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah, all right, yeah, maybe, I mean Slade is Slade.
He did himself not one favor on that show. So
you can just watch footage of that if you or
I don't know, Yeah, I don't think. I also was
surprised that Tamara a bit so quick when Gretchen said
that she's like what And that's the thing that like,
(40:34):
let me screw it up and hug you.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
It knees together so emily because she brought Joe to
the beach. This girl, Tama, you can't get there's not
things don't never come out of her mouth. I buy
it when she says it, Like, I'm like, oh, she
seemed to really feel that that she cost him jobs.
I had the same exact feeling. But I'm like, she's
(40:57):
so slippery within these conversations with you can't get a
hold of her.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
She's the greatest reality star of all time. I mean, honestly,
I have to give it to her in terms of
being so villainous and then also likable at the same time. Yeah,
so diabolical in many ways and somewhat authentic. It is
(41:26):
a wild balance. And that's why I'm saying, especially for
a decade, right.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, she does that.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
She will cry at the drop of a hat, and
you feel her sincerity immediately when she apologizes immediately, and
she can turn on a dime like like the wind.
It's nuts.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, And it feels much more believable than like not
that Vicky ever was like lying about that it just
feels more grounded with Tamera than it does with like
a Vicky.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
Absolutely, yeah, Vicky has so much self hatred that.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
She I know.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Really sorry, I that's so sad, I absolutely do.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Y see, I think it's Vicky. I think I think
she has an inflated sense of self in a good way.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
That can be true too, but she has a lot
of self hatred. She may also like hype her own
self up and all of that, but I think at
the core she's she's very angry.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
You know. It sounds like you're describing.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
Well, maybe that's why they both.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Yeah, maybe they're both you know, Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
I just like, yeah, she is great because you for
all those reasons, and it's why I have a hard time, Like,
I guess what I'm saying for me Vicky is she
doesn't have the nuance that Tamra does. So it's hard
to like her many. You know, you may enjoy what
(43:15):
like her overall, but like as a person, I would
have a very hard time dealing with Vicky. For Tamra,
I could see myself.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah, I get it, because she's not ground red ship. Absolutely,
she seems loyal as hell and then she like Kyle, Yes, like.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Yeah, Kyle, people that aren't on the show. Yeah, she's
tight with Kyle now because it's Teddy.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Oh right right, you're right, Yeah, I completely agree. And
then we have Shannon sitting at that beach picnic like,
I guess I'm the only one who's fine. They've made up,
which we obviously know because the mid season trailer camera
does basically like that's my opinion, but flips off Gretchen
(44:04):
in her face and screams like that.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
So when Shannon gave one of her classic lines and
this is what I live for with her first of all,
sauntering up to that beach in an oversized black sweatsuit
and a crazy hat, I was like, girl, you don't.
I have never seen someone give less of an f
being on The Real Housewives of Then this season, like
(44:33):
she is putting on whatever is not dirty truly in
her house, truly whatever not in the bin?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Well that that could have been in the bin. It
was all Black's.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
It wasn't in the bin.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
It wasn't a been had had the least amount of
archie here, it's gonna show. She was rolling it out.
She was a roller in the car on the way there.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
I mean, that's giving more than I can imagine her
giving because she really doesn't care this season. But when
they when she saw them skipping back and she's like,
oh god, you know, I'm the last one. And then
they were like someone's like is it well, is this
the first step? And you know it is a step,
and Shannon's like, is it step one of multiple steps?
(45:23):
You know, just trying to get the lay of the land,
like are we in or is it multiple? Or you know, yeah,
what sort of timeline are we looking at here? You know,
She's like, I love this girl. She's so funny.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Can we go from the Manila envelope that Katie brought
about the polygraphers to Jen? And then that envelope goes
to another lunch where Jen presents it with Shannon No,
Heather and Tamra, where Tamra and Jen kind of make up.
(46:02):
And I have to say I laughed. I actually laughed
out loud when Heather took that selfie with them in
the background. She's like, thought sucks. And then she made
a hilarious face that was so funny. She's like, this
is going I feel really good about this.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
She was like we'll see.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Yeah, that was awesome, and I liked how Jen was
very honest in making up with her. I mean, I
like the moves that Jen makes when she is in
these one on one situations and is yet that's why
this is so difficult is that you have another person
involved that was a witness to all of this that
(46:40):
cannot co sign what Katie is saying, and it is
something nice kind of oh well, kind of a half
witness because she heard hospital hospital, she heard hospital.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Right, Okay, got it.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
Right, Which thank you for reminding me of that, Diana,
because that is a very important piece of the puzzle,
because I forgot very important. She has acknowledged hospital hospital
smells like hospital.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Jen go very far with somebody, though, because let's not
forget when Ryan answers in total darkness in a black
vacuum on FaceTime, when she's on a girl's trip and
it's like, what, no, just taking a nap, just totally alone,
taking a nap. Let's talk. It's two pm, Ryan, why
(47:26):
is it pitch dark? Like why are you doing this?
So she and she's like, okay, whatever, let's get married.
And then I do think she'll believe whatever she wants
to believe to like whatever is the spot in the situation.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
Yeah, yeah, she's in a spot, and you know, just
like these other people have their motives, she's trying to live.
She's trying to, you know, lock down some money. The
croissants in a box, I'll never forget it, you know,
was that was that?
Speaker 3 (48:02):
Wass?
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Jen? Oh?
Speaker 3 (48:03):
It was Jen. Everybody's come on a budget.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
Everybody got a budget. And Heather was like, you know,
I mean, Heather's like.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
They were nibbling on it. They were nibbling on those nib.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
You know, listen, you could have put it on a box.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
People will nibble.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Emily Simpson learned her lesson from going so hard on
Jen about being like not having the same amount of
money as everybody, because remember she went on her, went
in on her so hard about that last year, and
so when she opened up the croissante, she's like, I
love it.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Oh, Emily, Gina did you mean Gina?
Speaker 2 (48:45):
And Emily She's like, this is great, this is exactly
I love it.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
That's exactly that's exactly what I want, which actually gives
a lot of clout, if you will, to the authenticity
of Real housewives. When someone has to host a party,
but he didn't give her obviously didn't give her a
budget for that, or if they did, it was they
covered them. Yeah, it covered the seating.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
She spent the whole stick candles in the centerpieces that
came down right away as soon as they said, we
have these.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
For an hour, we have these for an hour. But
also there were several extras at that. You know, we
had Shannon's daughter, then we had Joe, Then we had
Gina's husband's new girlfriendt Britt, which that story is wild
about nd Oh my god, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Gina had one of her Gina's She's like, uh because
she said uh when she's over there and she says
to Matt she I had to go back and hear
it again because she was like, was a good was
a good beef up wall? And I was like, beef
on the walls of his arteries? Like I was like,
what is she talking about? And then she said it
(49:56):
was a good wake up call. But I heard it
was a good beef up call.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
You got you got the beef on the walls of you. Well,
it's like, is this a red meat and arteries?
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Right? But that honestly, it was good because it's like
you see Matt and he looks healthy, you know, but
like you, it's a good reminder to get that check
because you could have that David Letterman heart where it's
like everything is healthy and then you have a heart attack.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
So many people who are healthy in their runners and
they and they have heart attacks. And then it made me.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Just like that genetics. But what were you gonna say
about We're gonna say about.
Speaker 4 (50:39):
Let's end on that sentence. Yea, they just have that genetics.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
We we will wrap it up. We will wrap it up.
But this story has tentacles because now it's reaching Sena
and it's bringing us.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
All as arteries.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
It has you know what. So you know, we don't
know where this will lead us. But at the end
of the day, let's get it together. Orange County. Can
we have somebody please be honest on this show, for
the love of for the love of Orange County.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
I don't know, maybe the waiter heard it. Can you
imagine if the waiter comes through.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
I mean, it's actually taking outside people for us to believe,
like Kiki Monique is why we are locking in on
a truth line. If she wasn't stepping in, I don't
know where we would be, yeah, because we wouldn't know
where to land.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
I wouldn't believe Katie at all, right, yeah right, and
I yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Right, but but I mean, now we really don't believe
Katie on that. But it's also like it gives it
does and it actually is acting Gretchen's lie, like we
really did need an outside source to come in and
so that we know where to stand our ground on this.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Yeah, it's weird too to have Gretchen and her confessional
be like, you know, I got all my blie detector tests,
right woo, and it's like but but but but but
but but but but but you're still a liar, Like
we all know it, and so we're we have to negate.
We have to negate that detector test. We have to because.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Lying to and also we know it's bullshit anyway, we
know that. So that's another thing that we've learned, is
like blie detector tests can't be administered like that and
get the correct results.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
So well, alrighty, then so we shall we'll just ride
this out till the end of the season, shall we.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
I don't think we have a choice.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
I don't think we have a choice, all right, Well,
Love you gals for doing this with me, really truly,
thank you for putting your motion in this. I'm connecting
to all I detector test right now. Did you hear
that alarm going off? I was lagged.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
I was like significantly.
Speaker 3 (53:15):
I hope that we can all rest from this over
the weekend. And you know, you know.
Speaker 4 (53:23):
Heart, I didn't know I needed to regroup over it,
but like I'm hearing that, like it's time to sort.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
Of, Yeah, let's step away from it for a minute.
Let let the social media do what they're going to do. Yeah,
and we'll come back in later.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
Tell you what, I'm not listening to Sena. I'll tell
you that much right now. Okay, I don't care. I'll
I am deleting her contributions.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
Okay. I'm not going to go down the Sheena rabbit hole.
I don't think that has anything to do with it.
So I'm I'm pushing that out. Shenanigans is out.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
Okay, but you're both still sharing your location with her,
which is fucked up.
Speaker 3 (53:59):
I know I can I get away from it, Okay, everybody,
you can follow Emdesas on Instagram, Deanna Mchang on Instagram.
Check out Deanna Changs dot com podcast I mean not
podcast website and how to be less old. Substack follow
us give it a nice like. See you guys have
a nice weekend.
Speaker 4 (54:19):
Bye,
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