August 29, 2025 • 59 mins
Welcome in to a thrilling episode of Drama Darling with your host, Amy Phillips, joined by the lively Deanna Chang and Emily Dorezas. This episode dives deep into the latest Real Housewives of Orange County drama, kicking off with the chaos surrounding a lie detector test and its explosive results. The hosts break down Gretchen's emotional meltdown, Katie's evolving credibility issues, Jen's suspicious behavior, and the shocking revelation that Katie might be excluded from future episodes. Not to be missed are the detailed discussions on significant scenes. Who do they believe? They agree that the solved the case. But you decide, Darlings!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Drama Darling Drama Darling Drama Darling.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hello, everybody, welcome in to Drama Darling. I'm your dramatic
host and Amy Phillips that's the name, and anyway, I'm
being joined by two crazy gals, Deanna Chang and Emily
Theresa's Hi ladies, Hi Amy, welcome in.
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four or five episodes. And anyway, so let's welcome ourselves
into this crazy episode of Orange County. Holy smokes, ladies.
(01:31):
You know, we're we're gonna just just we're just gonna
jump right in and I'm just gonna say, right off
the bat, what the hell is going on? I mean,
what can we believe? What? Who are we? And who
are who are they? Who are these people? And here
we are landing on a lie detector test. You'll tell
me the truth that.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
The most important thing is we got to welcome in
at the top Ford's birthday. Yeah, Oh I.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Got I missed it.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, got to welcome in from the server at the
table right into a guacamole request.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, don't know the restaurant because they don't say that anymore.
They got, but we did get a welcome in.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Fantastic and a Marilyn Monroe welcoming in the.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Way he received that, Marilyn, I can tell us professional
we hate it?
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Do we love it?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Like?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
He was like the look on his face as he
was being sung upon was just.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Hard to know. And then Ethan, I don't know where
she came from.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Oh, I read that as he undressed her with his
eyes immediately that's how that's the look I saw on
his face. He quickly, Yeah, he's he's alive. Man.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I read it as Oh, I think Gene hooked up
with Marilyn and he's confused. He thought she had passed,
but here she is.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Yeah that actually might have been.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, same age happening.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yeah, is this is this a ghost?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, Mars, he may have hooked up with just another
Maryland impersonator at some point on Hollywood Boulevard. Right, what
a nice what a great way to start the episode,
you know, just with a light Jean machine, because you know,
we ended up going somewhere at the end that we
(03:29):
all knew was ahead of us. But boy, oh boy,
yeah he does look great, incredible, and he's like in
his nineties.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Ninety seven No, I mean ninety seventh birthday ninety I.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Thought that was a joke.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
No, we always see him for his birthdays and he's
been in his nineties for a minute.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Wow, I mean I thought he was like maybe ninety one,
But I thought he made a joke about being like
ninety seven. Because but that doesn't seem like much of
a joke. You'd think you'd want to go higher, right,
So wow, you guys.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah, that's so you don't talk up like a few years, right,
you don't joke up a few years, choke it up.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You got to joke it up a decade up. Yeah,
joke it up, Jean Machine joke it up. Oh my god,
Shannon being like I ran into a young lady who
said they they said that. Gee. A man named Jean
Machine said, don't leave. I'll take care of you, dad, Dad,
(04:33):
I'm concerned.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Her hair was sorted. She got you now she got
which was great.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Weight of the cast trip. We're back. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that was okay. I mean, I mean it's okay. Now
it's everybody's okay, okay, everybody. Has Shannon's hair been marked safe?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yes, yes, it was marks able though it did like, oh.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Gosh, okay.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Well, we finally get to lunch with Kiki Monique. Welcome
in Kiki Monique looking gorgeous, sitting down with Gretchen and
her her support housewife, Gina. Yes, everyone needs a support housewife. Okay.
And here we are with like Kiki laying it out
(05:33):
there saying that Katie said to her that she went
to dinner with Gretchen and said, and Gretchen said the
night of Naked Wasted, that Gretchen was drugged and had
to go to the hospital. So she said that is
what she heard from kt Now. She also said Gina
(05:54):
was a topic too, And then we get into the
hole that legid accusation that Gina said is that an
Asian designer. And of course we get the explanation from Gina,
which is that Katie wanted to showcase Asian designers and
(06:17):
then she eventually got two stylists and then every time
she would show up wearing not Asian designers, and so
she was being sarcastic about it and trying to call
Katie out for that. So now the GENA stuff aside,
it seemed like, before we move on from the GENA stuff,
it seemed like an explanation from Gina that she was
(06:39):
calling out Katie. Everybody satisfied with that. It seemed like
it made sense.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
To me, it seemed like it made sense. I'm not Katie.
I don't know how it hit Katie, you know what
I mean in that right, in that way. So it's
hard for me to be like, oh, it's fine, I'm
going to take a pass on that because it could
have really hit in a way I would not understand.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Right, that's true. That's a really good point. And they've
never had a conversation about it, which is a true
bummer because you'd think that, you know, they would talk
about if it was something that was really that hurt Katie.
You think that she'd want to go to her and say, hey,
that came off like really really offensive, So can you
speak on that, you know, And so they didn't, and
(07:23):
this was off camera, and then we saw that on
I mean it was on camera. Actually we just saw
the footage and Jen was like, oh okay, and she
didn't really seem to have any kind of absorption over
it either, so it was a kind of left aside anyway.
So Keiky was sitting on that information as well because
she wasn't sure if that was Katie's you know, motive
(07:46):
to put that out into the universe, you know. So
that was interesting to hear. Now Here we have like
Gretchen responding to what Keiki was saying the same way
she responded to Tamra in New Orleans, which is the
lean in the mouth a gape, and like what, I
can't believe she said that, and then she goes on, yeah,
(08:08):
it's like she had the same response, and I'm just
trying to like really get detailed because she was doing
everything she kind of did in New Orleans, which is
not saying over and over again, I absolutely did not
say that even though she has said that before, I
don't know, So I just I kind of left there going.
I kind of still think that Gretchen said that about Tamra.
(08:32):
I don't know, you guys, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I don't know either, because then you get cut to
the end with the lie detector. But like, I don't know,
where do you land right.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Same, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
And I said that to me, like I left there going,
I said, I don't know what to tell me what
to feel because I'm not sure what I feel. In
terms of that dinner. There's a lot of people at
that dinner.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Right right, Jen was there. All the spouses or partners
were there.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
We've already had confirmation from Matt that that happened. I
find him to be very credible, and so then we
have Jen who seems to be caught in something right now.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Right.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
But I also thought, my god, Katie blew that lie
detector test every which way from Sunday or whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Gretchen passed it with flying colors.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Because I think we're talking about two different topics. We're
talking one. Did Gretchen say these things? That's one thing.
Figure out Two, did Katie talk to Kiki Monique. That's
the second category.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Yes, because's not going to come in.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I believe that I've never seen someone not want to
be on a reality show.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
More like she's like, yeah, I kind of been trying
to avoid this kind of thing, but I'm here to
clear my name.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
The last place I want to be yea last give
me water.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
But I think Katy, She's like, give me a double right,
she had a Yeah, she did have that glass of
wine at ten am, which I don't think is normal
for Kiki, but would be absolutely normal.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
In under the circumstances. I would have had three before going.
Yet No, So yeah, you're you're right. I mean, obviously
there's two different points. And and so that's where like
last week, I was like, everybody's lying. Jen is lying
about not knowing, Gretchen is lying about not telling Katie,
and Katie is lying about not saying this to Kiki.
(10:51):
So this week we know that Katie lied about not
telling Kiki. Okay, she's out on that firm confirmed. Put
it aside, decide.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Okay, let's just say one thing.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Is there just is there a world in which Kiki
Monique is lying?
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I'm just asking.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I know, I absolutely don't think so.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Me neither.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So but I mean, thank you for asking. I mean,
we've got to look at all angles, and I mean
I think we land on. No, that's that's not okay.
So she believe her.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
If this is a court, I would I and I'm
Gretchen's attorney or Katie's attorney, I would bring that up
and I would try to argue that in their defense,
like you can't. But I just there's absolutely no way
I just don't have any proof for that the Kiki
would be lying. There's no way she would be lying.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Well, another reason why you believe that she wouldn't lie
is because she gets information all the time and sits
on probably most of it like me. And so that's
the whole point is that that's a trustworthy person and
why she went to other people to say this is
really bad, like this is out there just to heads up,
you know. So that's why I really do believe her. Okay,
(12:02):
So we can put that we all agree, right, Yeah, Okay,
that's the side. Now Katie lied, So Katie lied about that.
Now is Gretchen lying about saying that at that dinner?
And is Jen lying about saying that that didn't happen,
because Katie is saying Jen even knows.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
And the hospital because Gretchen passed that in the lie
detector test, that she did not go to the hospital.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Right, which is bound hers because we saw with our
own eyes in that car she whispered that she went
she was so sick.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Well, there's a world in which that was the truth,
that she didn't go. But she was lying about it
to make the situation sound worse to Tamra, to the
to the girls, Katie and to Jen, not to Tama.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
But she told she went, right, No, But and.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
We're assuming she told and Jen if that's what happened, right,
she told Katie and Jen I went to the hospital.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
They can confirm that.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
So in front of Tamra, she's saying, well, I went
the next day or I did go to the hospital
the next morning.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
But is that a lie?
Speaker 4 (13:14):
And if it's a lie, then her saying no would
be truthful.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I get it, I get it, Okay, Yes, So it's
basically like she exaggerated to not she maintained an exaggeration
that she told at that dinner that she had to
go to the hospital, and then when that might have
been her hesitation in the car with Jen and Tamara,
when she was like.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yes, it was Tamara and Shannon.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Tamar and Shannon that she said it to. Gretchen said
it in the car on the girl's trip, and she
was weirdly hesitant about saying it right. So then now
that she's been asked on the lie detector, she never
went to the hospital, but that's part of whatever she
told them at the dinner.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
So she was sticking with a lie. Yeah, to tell
Tamra and Shannon.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Hypothetically that's a great thing you now, that would make
her lie, That would make the lie detector not false. Right,
But then she said that she didn't say anything to
Katie and Jen. So now we're back to square one
because that side detector said that was truthful.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
So I don't believe Gretchen, and I don't believe Katie,
and I don't believe Jen. So I'm going back to
not believing all three of them, but believing some of each,
actually none of Jen, because I really do think Jen
is protecting Gretchen. I don't know, why do you guys
like she was at that dinner. I believe Why do
(14:51):
I believe that Gretchen said it? I don't. Why do
I believe that I too?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Well, because she, especially at the time of that dinner,
she has to be I mean. The thing is, though,
if she's sitting at that dinner saying that there's other
people she's told this to over seventeen years, this is
not a fresh take. So somebody else she has had
to have told this story too well.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
If okay, right, right, So why wouldn't like Ryan? And well,
if Ryan's in kahoots with Jen, and Jen's in kahoots
with Gretchen, He's not going to say anything. So the
only people and Slave's not going to say anything. So
the only person that we can lean on is Matt
and Katie. And Katie has absolutely no credibility whatsoever, which
(15:39):
is why no one will believe her. And I get it.
She is not a believable person at this point. She
has lied so many times. And when they were doing
this party at Emily's the Persian New Year, Katie was
very sick, sick to her stomach, remember that, and she
was going to the bathroom and I was like, oh
my god, is this because she knows that there's going
(16:01):
to be a lie detector, and she's worried about doing
this light detector because she lied.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Well previous we as viewers don't know at that point
she knew about the light detector.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I know that's correct, but maybe I think she should.
I have a feeling she probably did.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Well.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Here's the thing though, I wondered if she didn't open
the door to one of them when she was looking
around for the bathroom, right, but you know, but.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
She was there, but she was sick. But then she
had already been sick though, so then that wouldn't matter.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
No, I know.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
But the only reason I would say I believe they
didn't know there was a lie detector because the truth
about not having alcohol was so real, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
That, But it was how many times have you been
at one of these light detector parties? Because she's like, oh,
that's why, that's why I.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Don't right, she figured it out that that was so funny. Yeah,
never seen her so sharp, by the way, so sharp,
and that's why there's no alcohol.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Oh the glass of shamp I've never seen a glass.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
The champagne that was poured for Heather was a goblet
of champagne. I've just never seen such a strong pour.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I think there is a storm.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Tessa says, there's a storm a bruin. All right, well
let's continue to really chisel in here, because we are
not We're just scratching the surface. Yeah, because you want
to say something, Emily. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Because Katie also had her moment of receiving the information
from Wendy the light detector.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Oh Wendy, Okay, Wendy.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
She was an OCY fan, you could tell, but she
uh everybody else that was passing on different questions she
was saying was a lie. And I was like, m Katie,
you're setting this up, like because you know you failed.
So if you're if you're denying the results all around,
(18:17):
then you can deny yours. I mean, it was like
or I also thought, oh, this is how Katie operates,
So this is how she thinks the world is. So
that's how she operates, like nothing's real. So I just
had watching that scene. I was like, oh, I finally
kind of got Katie in that moment, like nothing's real.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Nothings I operate like this. It it gave me a
dissociation vibe. Yeah you know what I mean, Like it's yeah,
if she is fully lying about everything, you know, I
mean that she's getting caught in another lie. How can
you move about the cabin looking so innocent and so
(19:05):
believable every step of the way to the point where
she's walking out and talking to a producer, and I'm
still like thinking to myself, she's so convincing. So how
is it possible for somebody to be so convincing and
lie though? Because like, there are times when I see
(19:25):
her that she has her tells. Okay, when she sat
down at the line detector test the minute that started
getting going, and she was like, oh, I'm so worried.
I'm so anxious about this, and the tech said, has
nothing to do with anxiety, and she was like, oh,
I know, it's like do you So she was already like, oh,
(19:46):
I know, I know it's not that I'm just I
just getting anxiety. And it's like, well, I don't know.
She's too quick to like tell a story. It makes
me think that she's an exaggerator, an elaborator, and she
doesn't consider that a lie. You know, some people kind
of go, what do you were you gonna say something? Emily?
(20:08):
And let me just make clear everybody knows Emily's name.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
That's what I'm called. It's stupid. I think that I
have I think Katie's wrong. I think that I would
totally believe everything because it comes in a beautiful package.
And in terms of like her, she seems so earnest,
(20:38):
and she seems so in her moment and standing her ground.
But that is also why I have also been lied
to in a massive way, you know, just like in
a business situation or whatever. And then I think about
all the podcasts we love, like Scamanda or you now, Unicorn.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Girls, Unicorn Girl. I just yeah, that too.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Hmmm.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
So it's like they you know, the I don't liar
face sociopath but like, yeah, but like I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I mean, it's very possible anybody, I mean, anyone on
the Housewives could be a sociopath. I mean anyone anywhere.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
People have made good points about if we are drilling down,
so let let's just pull.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Back for a moment.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Okay, joke back volume he joked back.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Okay, because.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I'm getting stuck on she had this sit down, she
created this sit down with Kiki money, Like that is
such a that's such a bad thing.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
That is that You're right, the motivation. Yep, hold up, Okay.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Then I pull back a little bit and I go
Tamra has a full podcast where she talks about the
housewives and they sit.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
In front of everybody, not behind people's backs, to a reporter.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
But Heather's having other you know, she's meeting with paparazzi.
There's so much that guy.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I agree, they are all talking. They're all talking about
all talking.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Things are getting out there, people are making connections, they're
all talking. I believe Katie and I feel like has
came into this environment. Well remember she walked into this
environment wanting to take down Heather to brow.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Right, and that was proven to be not the case
that she lied because the paparazzi said that that's not
what happened. But I also believe that Heather knew that
those pictures were being set up.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Well, the light detector, the light detectors, we're giving the
light detector any credibility. Heather was lying And that was
one thing that Katie co signed on for the lie
detector or working.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Was you see it working here?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Oh? Interesting?
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I think she approached this like minute one before she
even showed up. She was like, I'm coming in ready.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
To tangle, ready to wrestle, and premeditated.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
She was coming in with ever meditated all of that,
and I think.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Where was horrible, horrible, horrible.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Terrible approach.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
But then the end of Seveson one, she agreed to that,
admitted it. I understand, and wanted to move different.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
But I think she's she was moving that way. We
don't know when she had that epiphany, Like we're like
the end of season one, Well, it might have been
after Kiki, after this, after this where she goes, I've
kind of made some mistakes, you know what I mean, Like,
we don't I.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Thought she said the reunion unless she met with Kiki
in between.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Okay, I see, you don't.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Exactly know when this you know, when.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
She had the light bulb go off that she's approached
this all wrong, and that could have been I don't know.
So I loved yours Dimmerman dress and her pink cardigan
at the light detector event the Persian New Year, and
(24:22):
she is so lovely and normal. See the visual is
so appropriate and rightly.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
That's what you do when you're going to court and
you're guilty innocent, you wear Yeah, you wear these innocent
looking clothes. I mean it's she's got two stylists and
they're basically like, oh, you're being accused of being a liar.
You're going to be taking a light detector test. We'll
give you our court outfit.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Right, Yeah, And it was working on me, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yes, as it should. But let me ask you this.
When she says that Jen was at that dinner, didn't
Jen look a little fidgety when when Katie was like
they were arguing on that cat? Yeah, and Jen goes,
why are you looking at me? It's like right, because bitch, you.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Were there there you can confirm.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
So what's what would what would Jen gain from protecting Gretchen?
And when Jen was in her confessional, she was talking
about how Katie was her closest friend and she can't
believe it's all now blown up because she's seeing Katie
for who she is. So if that's true and Jen
(25:33):
is just blatantly lying like that, that is going to
throw me away for a loop.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Wait a minite, guys, we know that Jen has already
said that they were all at dinner talking about this. Yeah,
jen'sory said that, like there's been so many lies at
this point, Jen said, what is first episode or whatever?
The first episode we started talking about about this?
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Wait, what snaked wasted? That was so long ago?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
And then the next episode she said, we were all
at dinner, we were talking, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (26:08):
And now she knows nothing about it?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Again, why didn't anyone write down on their questions?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Jen?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Did Gretchen say this at that dinner?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Or?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I did not everybody know about the dinner I think.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
As viewers were seeing the timeline edited together of the conversations,
but I think in the moment there, they haven't put
all the pieces together.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Tam Or didn't know about that dinner. She wept dinner.
She was like so razzled and it was so she
on the edge of her seat. And when the lie
detector tech was reading off all of the results and
said that Gretchen Gretchen's answer to to did you tell
(26:52):
Katie and Jen that you were drugged? And Gretchen said,
I said no, And then Tam was like, uh, that's
us us this and she was clapping and I was like,
I don't know why she's clapping. Why are you clapping?
I don't get it. I don't know what you're being sarcastic.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Are you being here?
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Tamra agreed, also did you notice? And I mean these
are just like I'm really picking here. But when Gretchen
was being asked, I mean no, no, yeah, when they
were reading her results and the tech was like, did
you tell Katie and Jen that you were drugged? And
she goes, I said no. Did you go to the
(27:30):
hospital after naked wasted? I said no? It's like, okay,
you said no, But what the bug is the actual truth?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Because do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
And then Tamra inter confessional talking about Clyars. She tell
her lies all the time. She says, this professional liar,
she's flyes, So why is it hard to believe that
Gretchen is such a good liar, that she lied so
well during her lie toctor test, and that Katie isn't
a good liar? And then aha, and this is why
(28:05):
he detectors don't work.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
To Diana's point about like everybody is moving slick on
the sides and misrepresenting the truth, that's a very good
point and I don't think I think it may have
just changed my mind a little bit on how hard
I was going on Katie in terms of comparing her
to Unicorn girl, because that is not the case. She
(28:28):
is not Unicorn girl. But I do just think that
she thinks she's a lot smarter than a lot of
the people in the room and wanted to control this thing,
and it's so far out of the gate, and she
doesn't have a team to bet. She doesn't have her
Vicki and Shannon, where Tamra or how they're like everybody
(28:48):
has a reason that they have alliances and Katie just
never formed those, Like the best thing she had was Gina.
So now she's in deep shit and I think no
one will have her back because she's just fucked up
too many times.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
She has no emotional connection, you know. That's what the
thing is very weird. When was she trying when she left,
when she left the house.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah no, in her confessionals, she was crying so much
it was down on her dress. Her tears were in
her dress. And when her in that tan dress.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah yeah, at the end when she was like you
may never see this face again kind of thing, like yeah, okay, well,
I mean I guess what I mean is when she's
around these ladies and she's being accused of all this stuff,
it's just very even keel type of you know, balanced,
we're not used to seeing that. Mouse is the one thing.
(29:47):
I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying like, in
that moment when that light detector tech gal, who was
very dramatic, honey, it was like you, yeah, you failed
more than anyone significantly, oh significantly, significantly significantly. And it's like, okay,
(30:15):
I mean you're not the judge and the jury report
the news.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
But it is a grading on a light detector. So
I thought, well, then give us the other side of
the if it was a light failing.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Well they may have, but they cut it out probably
and they left in that significantly somebody.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Else had a significant right.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Katie was like, Okay, gred there you know.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
So I just was like, well, she has no is
there anything there? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Hello, Well it's almost like how I when I play
Mafia and I'm the Mafia, right yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Same?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Hold it?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
So there you.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
Go like you're not gonna see me swat.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Well, then she's lying obviously.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Well and can get a conclusion.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yes, because Diana, if that's all play, Katie, sign we
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Shall we?
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d D one sign up. Okay, we're back. We're talking
about this bonkers lie detector episode of the Real Housewives
of Orange County. I'm with Emily Deresis and Deanna Chang. Deanna,
you had something percolating that you wanted to.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
You had a little something percolating.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
So here's where I'm as I walk away from this
lie detector extravaganza. These are my thoughts. One, let's just
deal with the lie detector test. Okay, my understanding, they
use lie detector tests reliably in like government interrogations, So
(37:40):
I don't think in a court of law it's a
different story. But I don't think lie detector tests by
and large, and I don't have the numbers.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
I didn't do any.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Research before I got here, but I follow this woman
who's a former Secret Service agent, and she she did
a lot of entire gating of people have committed crimes
and all that, and she used lie detective tests all
the time and found them to be quite reliable. It's
just that they don't go into the court of law.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
So because you can trick them, that is possible in
terms of I think it's your heart rate down if
you know you're going into it.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
I think the percentage of people who can trick the
test is very, very low, and I think it is
a good indicator, and I don't think these housewives can
trick the test.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Also out their booze.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Also, Deanna, to your to that point, and I just
want to throw this in there before you continue, so
don't lose your listen.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
I'm there, Okay, good putting a pin face.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Reality sixteen posted this today, which is why a polygraph
test lasts one and a half to two and a
half hours and why on the housewives it can't be
accurate because they're shortened. They're only in there for a
shorter amount of time, so the average length is much longer.
So each person would need to be in there for
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like an hour and a half to two and a
half hours. They have to be prepared and evaluated in
such a way. But this is a really expedient process.
It's you know, sped up. So that being said, that
should be taken into consideration. Deanna pick it up.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
Okay, I'll take that. I'll take that into consideration.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Thing, so we have so okay, so I'm going to
say polygraphs at large, I think tend to be reliable.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
Putting that to the side.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Okay, fair enough, These these.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
These people executing the polygraph tests. That lady and all
her emotions seemed very suspicious to me.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I was.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
In at large, even when Katie left and she was like, well,
she was lying her ass off or whatever that.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Was wine in the yeah, that was wild. But in
the test I thought they were giving them nothing.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
That's fine.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
But I thought her emotional response to these results was odd.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
To me.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
It felt felt like what skin, what skin do you
have in this game? Like she just read yeah, sure,
or maybe this was a setup.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Maybe the guy, Oh you guys, there's going to be
a spin off, a lie detector test spin off, and
she is the star.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Yeah, Wendy, her and Alison Debro are gonna But and
then the guy I have was reading that he is
a known sort of scammer who you can pay off
to get the results that you want.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
And he's been on other shows doing this work.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
So I I have a question mark around and now
with this information about you know, just the set up
the executors, I have questions, you know, so I just
want to throw that throw that I agree.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yes, now you're moving me back towards Katie because I
didn't want I want Katie. I'm rooting honestly, I'm rooting
for Katie. And a lot of the reason I'm rooting
for Katie is I love Emily, but man, she goes
so hard and she looks for every opportunity to drill
down with all the drills on Katie, and like at
(41:21):
the reunion last year and now at this party, and so.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Well, I like it when she kicked her out that
don't kick people out. Don't kick people out. There's no
reason they're going to leave anyway if someone's being ganged
up on, and she was. And look, I'm not saying
she didn't ask for it, because if she's lying, she's lying,
and people are all mad, you know, but we don't
need to like run around the village, you know, with
our torches, like when they when she was like get
(41:46):
out of my house. I mean, I think you should leave.
I hate that. And when she was leaving and she
was upset upside outside, it's like you're you're you're making
us then have empathy for somebody that you want us
to not like because you're accusing her of lying. But
now we feel bad and like it looks like a
gang up.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
Well, in the beginning of it, Gina is very much like,
don't worry, We're gonna smoke her out of her hole
right now. So that seemed they seem so goddamn certain.
And I know some of that has to do with
connecting with Kiki, But the whole thing thrown under the
guys of Persian New Year, which Emily knew zero about,
Shane knows less.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Was just just gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
It was gorgeous, It really was. I loved it. It
looked great.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
I love it looked great.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
But it was such a bait and switch, and like,
you know, it was such a setup to get to
get someone drilled to the wall, you know, And I'm like,
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (42:47):
What about this was real?
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Yeah, so yeah, I am now suspicious of Emily, of
Emily's intentions, But at the end of the day, like
I would, I believe every I believe Emily. That's a thing,
like she has given me every reason.
Speaker 5 (43:03):
To believe Emma.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Yeah, I like regarding she comes across as a trustworthy person.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Too, Yes, as a voice of reason on the show. Yeah,
I mean, I don't know whose idea it was to
do the lie detector, you know, I don't know if
it was Emily's. I don't know if it was Gina's.
I don't know it was producers, but.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
It was Emily's because it was because Katie. They had
that flashback of Katie said I'll take a lie detector
test or maybe yeah, to your point, maybe Gina, it
was like we should and then Emily actually did it,
but didn't tell Gene until she got there.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
M M yeah, balls, Oh my god, bulls. That was
very funny.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
The other significant lie was Jen saying she was happy
about married.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Are there any concerns about you marrying Ryan significant? She's
significant fail? Well, just you know, you know, just nerves
about getting married. You know that's all bikini body Uh
huh no, no.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
No that's not the question.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
But listen, ask if you were going to be bikini ready.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah, that should have been a question with regard to
Jen and her ability to maybe cover for Gretchen. I
believe she has that capability because she's covered for Ryan.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Oh yeah, for sure, But I don't know if she
has that capability in this test.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
She wasn't asked any questions about it, and I see
what saying, which is not right. They should have asked her,
we're you know at this dinner. Oh, we already talked
about that. We don't know about the dinner.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Well, what was confusing, though, is why And I think
we touched on it just a little bit at the beginning,
but like then once, why didn't Shannon or Tamra say
something in the moment about you told us you went
to the hospital Gretchen when she said when the results
of the lie detector test? You know how we always
(45:02):
say like it's annoying when shit happens off camera, that's
annoying to us, and then it comes up like we
have to live in two worlds. What's more annoying to
me is something like this where we're a we are
all sitting and knowing a big piece of information that's
not being mentioned in a scene that you're like, why
is no one saying this? And then you find out
(45:26):
later like I just wanted to hold back and it's
like why why why?
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Right?
Speaker 4 (45:31):
But not here, not now, not when we have lie
detectors in different rooms, Like that's yeah, hold back.
Speaker 7 (45:38):
Also, like Gretchen is a little housewife rusty because she
said uh when she walked in, like she didn't want
to confront Katie because and She's like, this is not
the place or the time, and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
Oh girl, it's the time yet flip it. It's not
the time or the place, the place of the time, Okay.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Speaking of Gretchen, when they were at the sit down
with Kiki Monique, and Kiki was like this, these are
the facts my friends, and Gretchen was like, huh, I
can't believe this. And then Kiki leaves and then she
is crying. She is crying really hard.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
She's not kik Ki.
Speaker 5 (46:19):
Is like done, He's like, where's my mic off?
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, Gretchen is crying and she's saying this is messed up.
People can't do this. Now I'm starting to be scared
about whatever. Everybody's try been trying to tell me forever,
But how would I know? And I am reading between
those lines because I'm not hearing an innocent person say
(46:45):
I didn't say. I didn't say that about dinner. I'm hearing.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
You're right.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
What she said was everyone said it. I didn't listen.
But how would I know? Well, see, everyone said it,
and you didn't listen.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
Everyone said what, Well, to avoid Katie?
Speaker 5 (47:05):
Right, Like, that's the right that everyone said. She's saying,
you can't ever avoid Katie.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Before you come on the season.
Speaker 5 (47:13):
I didn't listen.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
I didn't listen.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
What I have known, Well, you got set and you
didn't listen.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Right now, what we're saying is we're presuming that Gretchen
was warned before coming on this season that Katie is
not a to be trusted. She lies, she makes things up.
Do not trust her at all, don't have an ally
ship with her because she'll burn you in the end,
or she'll look for something, so on and so forth.
(47:40):
Oh and then the recording and all this other stuff.
So the recording of Shannon, So then you think that
she wasn't going to go to Keiki Monique with that recording.
By the way, See that's where I'm like, I get
right back to it, But I digress. Okay, So Gretchen
was told this don't trust her. She she kind of
comes on the season. She's caught up in getting back
(48:00):
on the season. She's got these new allies, Jen and Katie,
and we're all out to dinner having a great time.
She's not naked, wasted, but she's feeling relaxed. She's feeling
like back in the game. She opens up her mouth
a little too much, says a little too much, and
it's come back to bite her. So when she's crying,
she's saying, this is so messed up. How can somebody
(48:21):
who I trusted this information with that can be so
damaging and so bad for Tamra that she would come
after me and sue me? How could she do this
to me? Now I'm starting to be scared because what
else is she going to say? What else is what
else is she going to do to me? And how
would I have known that? Thank you, good night, you nye, everybody,
(48:45):
Thank you very much. Bottom line is I am leaving
this with saying I believe Gretchen told Katie and that
table of people that Tamara drugged her allegedly, and I
believe Jenna is protecting her. And then I believe also
that Katie's lying about everything else.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
I mean to say, yes, I agree with that. I
do think Katie's lying, But I'm gonna have empathy because
I keep going back to Katie's origin story, and I
think she really needs to work on some things personally
and psychologically there because like you know, she still hasn't
met her bioparents. Not that you need to do that,
(49:29):
but that is something that weighs on her. We know,
we know that she had a very rough first marriage.
I think she's still in survivor mode. Is when she's
trying to survey. I like that, So I have empathy
for that. That said, I don't trust her in this moment,
(49:50):
and I also don't trust Gretchen either, so.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Which is so weird because she's kind of different like this,
like a Christian and she's praying with sliw and like,
it's not that I don't think that there's a hypocrisy everywhere.
I mean, I watched documentaries all the time. I've lived
this life. I'm I'm a liver, you know. But so
it's it's not that I don't understand that these two
things can be in total contradiction with each other, but
(50:16):
to be that she doesn't strike me as coming on
and just lying through her teeth all the time. But
I can't help but believe that she is.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
Well because what I think when I go through all
of it, it's like, Okay, well, was she drugged?
Speaker 5 (50:31):
You know what I mean? Because she did go to
the hospital. Did they find drugs in her system?
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Maybe they didn't, but they didn't go But she didn't
go to the hospital.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Who know why?
Speaker 3 (50:42):
Don't know that?
Speaker 5 (50:43):
But I'm saying, like, let's say she did.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
Okay, let's say she went to the hospital and it
was so bad and they found traces of this, that
and the other in her body.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
That's right, because that's what Katie said. This is fucking crazy.
I can't even know.
Speaker 4 (50:57):
So if that was the case, the reason why she
would have to do this number right now is she
has already looked down the road to see if she
had legal action, and she doesn't, right, because it's either
too far long ago, it's it she doesn't have enough evidence.
Speaker 5 (51:17):
It was slightly exaggerate, whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
Like, let's say, I'm just I'm just I'm throwing a
hypothetif that situation out.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
But I have to say, if she went to the hospital,
they would and they had that report. That's your evidence,
and I don't know if it.
Speaker 5 (51:30):
Is, but she might be able to pin it.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
You can't trace it.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (51:35):
You know what I mean? Like she could have pin
it on because if she could and she had it,
Oh God.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
Your story right, because that's why she said. Do you
think that if I had this, I would have said
something And she's saying exactly that, which is, if I
would have had evidence to pin it on Tam Rocks,
I would have brought this up. But I didn't, which
is she's.
Speaker 4 (51:55):
Probably run down that road and she knows she can't
pin it on Tama and her son. So that the
reason why she would have to Christian not Christian, blowout
not blowout.
Speaker 6 (52:11):
Slade mustache, slade mustache, head banded head bann this.
Speaker 4 (52:17):
Those snowbos is because is because she doesn't have the
amount of money that would be like Tamar's gonna sue
her fucking ass off and she will lose half of
her wealth. That they live a modest asque life, you
know what I mean. They're not, they're not, you know,
(52:41):
bathing in it.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
Like she can't guess who understands about losing money and
not having enough money jen uh huh, that's why she's
protecting her. She knows the financial destruction. If Gretchen were
to admit that she said this at a table of people,
it's a wrap. It's done.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
Yeah. Well, it's just crazy that Jimialino is allegedly now suing.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Gretchen and slowly because of the already I already know
when she's starting to throw her fishing starting right now. Yeah, Deanna,
you were you were hot on something. And that leads
me to my final final conclusion. Yeah, I'm kidding. I
(53:30):
already said it. I already said what I said when
I said, you know, which is it all makes sense
to me now why Gretchen was crying because she knows
that the cards, the house of cards of what she
said is going to fall and she's going to be
financially responsible.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
And it is shitty for Katie to run to Kiki
with that, by the way, like that's Gretchen's and that's
her justification.
Speaker 3 (53:57):
But it's also shitty. This is where I go back to,
like Katie, I mean, if it's all for show whatever,
and in terms of staying on the show.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
And.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
But she also, let's not forget is trying to destroy Kiki,
and that's not fucking great either, Like that's Katie, Like
full right, Katie's trying to destroy Kiki, who really doesn't
have a voice on the show at all.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Yeah, and good points.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
And it's like lying about that.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
Yeah, that's really bad. So if Gretchen is like, I
have to save my own ass because it's me against
somebody who is doing moving and badly. Yeah, litigious going
to press all the time, I don't care. I'm gonna
save my own ass because I'm not going to go
down this road. And nobody told me it would be
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this bad And what else is next? And how would
I have known? And this is so messed up. People
can't do this. Everything she said, the story has been
told and we can see it. We'veigured it out. I
really think we figured it out.
Speaker 3 (55:02):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 5 (55:07):
Where where we're we're okay.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
With Russian stretching the truth or lying because we get
it on a bigger level.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
On a fiscal level, on a fiscal level, okay, Yeah,
but it's a reckless. It's also reckless to be saying
that in the first place.
Speaker 3 (55:27):
To a table of because started this house of cards.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
Yeah, yeah, like you thought that. Yeah, I mean again,
everyone said it the book. Mm hmmm, that was Fraser.
That was Fraser. But let's also you know, we don't
need to focus on the naked wasted night, but that
was also fucked up to begin with anyway. I mean,
now we're seeing footage rolling and rolling from that scene
(55:51):
and it's dis de disgusting and disgusting.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
Falls you have Bravo to be flashing that footage.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
Around, so have had Yeah, I know, but they're obviously covered.
Speaker 3 (56:04):
Yeah, I mean, everybody's covered until you have a good
legal argument and then it gets argued. So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
Well, guys, the one last thing I will say before
we wrap is that there was a post Katie Janella
will not appear on Real Housewives in Orange County, and
it's in quotes for a while. After tonight's episode. August
twenty eighth episode is her last appearance for a while
on the show. Bravo felt that all of the women
(56:33):
were coming for her and decided to remove her from
the mix for a bit. A source tells Okay Magazine.
It was clear all the women had planned to band
together to take Katie down, and they ended up refusing
to film with her end quote. And then the other
thing is, oh, this is wild. So Katie posted on
(56:54):
her Instagram a picture of her in her gorgeous dress,
and she says the caption is another waste of a
good dress. And guess who commented right below that Tamra
Judge and it says, girl, that dress was fire. I repeat, okay, girl,
that dress was fire. So they have somehow communicated again
(57:16):
and are I don't so I don't know what's going on,
but that's the real time update.
Speaker 4 (57:21):
Well you have to remember that she that gret Tamra's
goal is to take down Gretchen.
Speaker 2 (57:27):
Gretchen Gretchen.
Speaker 3 (57:29):
So right to our earlier point, my earlier point about Gretchen. Legally,
that was all me. I came up with that point.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
Boys on the board, scratches, scratches.
Speaker 3 (57:43):
Yeah. So now Tamra's if she aligns with Katie, she
could maybe have something against Scretchen outside of the show legally,
so who knows. I just don't think it would hold up,
But who knows. That makes the most sense to me
that Tamar's.
Speaker 2 (57:58):
Got because why would Tamra be friends with someone who's
gonna lie about Kiki Monique and deliberately knew that she lied,
Like that doesn't make any sense when yeah, when Tamra's
you're going she's lying. Science is so good lying. I mean,
make a choice, all right.
Speaker 3 (58:14):
I will say Tamra's outfit was awesome.
Speaker 2 (58:16):
I love that red red flowy pants slowly so nice
to see her in something flowy and breezing.
Speaker 3 (58:23):
Yeah, eggs on the bottom, Eggs on the.
Speaker 5 (58:27):
Everyone I was worried about.
Speaker 3 (58:30):
You guys have egg on your feet.
Speaker 2 (58:32):
I honestly send a text to the group and say
there's gonna be eggs on my cash, you.
Speaker 5 (58:37):
Know, like it'll alarming.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
Yeah. Also eggs on well, like a car, a paint
is bad. Eggs on a house is bad. Eggs on
cement or brick is that bad?
Speaker 3 (58:48):
It was brick. I'm going to assume that it was
not fun to clean up. I mean it's gonna stick.
Speaker 2 (58:55):
And you know what you need that power washer? Yeah, yep,
well I'm glad we can end on a powerwasher. Note
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(59:21):
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being joined by two crazy gals, Deanna Chang and Emily
Theresa's Hi ladies, Hi Amy, welcome in.
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into this crazy episode of Orange County. Holy smokes, ladies.
(01:31):
You know, we're we're gonna just just we're just gonna
jump right in and I'm just gonna say, right off
the bat, what the hell is going on? I mean,
what can we believe? What? Who are we? And who
are who are they? Who are these people? And here
we are landing on a lie detector test. You'll tell
me the truth that.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
The most important thing is we got to welcome in
at the top Ford's birthday. Yeah, Oh I.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Got I missed it.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, got to welcome in from the server at the
table right into a guacamole request.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, don't know the restaurant because they don't say that anymore.
They got, but we did get a welcome in.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Fantastic and a Marilyn Monroe welcoming in the.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Way he received that, Marilyn, I can tell us professional
we hate it?
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Do we love it?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Like?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
He was like the look on his face as he
was being sung upon was just.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Hard to know. And then Ethan, I don't know where
she came from.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Oh, I read that as he undressed her with his
eyes immediately that's how that's the look I saw on
his face. He quickly, Yeah, he's he's alive. Man.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I read it as Oh, I think Gene hooked up
with Marilyn and he's confused. He thought she had passed,
but here she is.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Yeah that actually might have been.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, same age happening.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yeah, is this is this a ghost?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, Mars, he may have hooked up with just another
Maryland impersonator at some point on Hollywood Boulevard. Right, what
a nice what a great way to start the episode,
you know, just with a light Jean machine, because you know,
we ended up going somewhere at the end that we
(03:29):
all knew was ahead of us. But boy, oh boy,
yeah he does look great, incredible, and he's like in
his nineties.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Ninety seven No, I mean ninety seventh birthday ninety I.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Thought that was a joke.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
No, we always see him for his birthdays and he's
been in his nineties for a minute.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Wow, I mean I thought he was like maybe ninety one,
But I thought he made a joke about being like
ninety seven. Because but that doesn't seem like much of
a joke. You'd think you'd want to go higher, right,
So wow, you guys.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah, that's so you don't talk up like a few years, right,
you don't joke up a few years, choke it up.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You got to joke it up a decade up. Yeah,
joke it up, Jean Machine joke it up. Oh my god,
Shannon being like I ran into a young lady who
said they they said that. Gee. A man named Jean
Machine said, don't leave. I'll take care of you, dad, Dad,
(04:33):
I'm concerned.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Her hair was sorted. She got you now she got
which was great.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Weight of the cast trip. We're back. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that was okay. I mean, I mean it's okay. Now
it's everybody's okay, okay, everybody. Has Shannon's hair been marked safe?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yes, yes, it was marks able though it did like, oh.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Gosh, okay.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Well, we finally get to lunch with Kiki Monique. Welcome
in Kiki Monique looking gorgeous, sitting down with Gretchen and
her her support housewife, Gina. Yes, everyone needs a support housewife. Okay.
And here we are with like Kiki laying it out
(05:33):
there saying that Katie said to her that she went
to dinner with Gretchen and said, and Gretchen said the
night of Naked Wasted, that Gretchen was drugged and had
to go to the hospital. So she said that is
what she heard from kt Now. She also said Gina
(05:54):
was a topic too, And then we get into the
hole that legid accusation that Gina said is that an
Asian designer. And of course we get the explanation from Gina,
which is that Katie wanted to showcase Asian designers and
(06:17):
then she eventually got two stylists and then every time
she would show up wearing not Asian designers, and so
she was being sarcastic about it and trying to call
Katie out for that. So now the GENA stuff aside,
it seemed like, before we move on from the GENA stuff,
it seemed like an explanation from Gina that she was
(06:39):
calling out Katie. Everybody satisfied with that. It seemed like
it made sense.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
To me, it seemed like it made sense. I'm not Katie.
I don't know how it hit Katie, you know what
I mean in that right, in that way. So it's
hard for me to be like, oh, it's fine, I'm
going to take a pass on that because it could
have really hit in a way I would not understand.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Right, that's true. That's a really good point. And they've
never had a conversation about it, which is a true
bummer because you'd think that, you know, they would talk
about if it was something that was really that hurt Katie.
You think that she'd want to go to her and say, hey,
that came off like really really offensive, So can you
speak on that, you know, And so they didn't, and
(07:23):
this was off camera, and then we saw that on
I mean it was on camera. Actually we just saw
the footage and Jen was like, oh okay, and she
didn't really seem to have any kind of absorption over
it either, so it was a kind of left aside anyway.
So Keiky was sitting on that information as well because
she wasn't sure if that was Katie's you know, motive
(07:46):
to put that out into the universe, you know. So
that was interesting to hear. Now Here we have like
Gretchen responding to what Keiki was saying the same way
she responded to Tamra in New Orleans, which is the
lean in the mouth a gape, and like what, I
can't believe she said that, and then she goes on, yeah,
(08:08):
it's like she had the same response, and I'm just
trying to like really get detailed because she was doing
everything she kind of did in New Orleans, which is
not saying over and over again, I absolutely did not
say that even though she has said that before, I
don't know, So I just I kind of left there going.
I kind of still think that Gretchen said that about Tamra.
(08:32):
I don't know, you guys, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I don't know either, because then you get cut to
the end with the lie detector. But like, I don't know,
where do you land right.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Same, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
And I said that to me, like I left there going,
I said, I don't know what to tell me what
to feel because I'm not sure what I feel. In
terms of that dinner. There's a lot of people at
that dinner.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Right right, Jen was there. All the spouses or partners
were there.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
We've already had confirmation from Matt that that happened. I
find him to be very credible, and so then we
have Jen who seems to be caught in something right now.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Right.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
But I also thought, my god, Katie blew that lie
detector test every which way from Sunday or whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Gretchen passed it with flying colors.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Because I think we're talking about two different topics. We're
talking one. Did Gretchen say these things? That's one thing.
Figure out Two, did Katie talk to Kiki Monique. That's
the second category.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Yes, because's not going to come in.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I believe that I've never seen someone not want to
be on a reality show.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
More like she's like, yeah, I kind of been trying
to avoid this kind of thing, but I'm here to
clear my name.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
The last place I want to be yea last give
me water.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
But I think Katy, She's like, give me a double right,
she had a Yeah, she did have that glass of
wine at ten am, which I don't think is normal
for Kiki, but would be absolutely normal.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
In under the circumstances. I would have had three before going.
Yet No, So yeah, you're you're right. I mean, obviously
there's two different points. And and so that's where like
last week, I was like, everybody's lying. Jen is lying
about not knowing, Gretchen is lying about not telling Katie,
and Katie is lying about not saying this to Kiki.
(10:51):
So this week we know that Katie lied about not
telling Kiki. Okay, she's out on that firm confirmed. Put
it aside, decide.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Okay, let's just say one thing.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Is there just is there a world in which Kiki
Monique is lying?
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I'm just asking.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I know, I absolutely don't think so.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Me neither.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So but I mean, thank you for asking. I mean,
we've got to look at all angles, and I mean
I think we land on. No, that's that's not okay.
So she believe her.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
If this is a court, I would I and I'm
Gretchen's attorney or Katie's attorney, I would bring that up
and I would try to argue that in their defense,
like you can't. But I just there's absolutely no way
I just don't have any proof for that the Kiki
would be lying. There's no way she would be lying.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Well, another reason why you believe that she wouldn't lie
is because she gets information all the time and sits
on probably most of it like me. And so that's
the whole point is that that's a trustworthy person and
why she went to other people to say this is
really bad, like this is out there just to heads up,
you know. So that's why I really do believe her. Okay,
(12:02):
So we can put that we all agree, right, Yeah, Okay,
that's the side. Now Katie lied, So Katie lied about that.
Now is Gretchen lying about saying that at that dinner?
And is Jen lying about saying that that didn't happen,
because Katie is saying Jen even knows.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
And the hospital because Gretchen passed that in the lie
detector test, that she did not go to the hospital.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Right, which is bound hers because we saw with our
own eyes in that car she whispered that she went
she was so sick.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Well, there's a world in which that was the truth,
that she didn't go. But she was lying about it
to make the situation sound worse to Tamra, to the
to the girls, Katie and to Jen, not to Tama.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
But she told she went, right, No, But and.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
We're assuming she told and Jen if that's what happened, right,
she told Katie and Jen I went to the hospital.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
They can confirm that.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
So in front of Tamra, she's saying, well, I went
the next day or I did go to the hospital
the next morning.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
But is that a lie?
Speaker 4 (13:14):
And if it's a lie, then her saying no would
be truthful.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I get it, I get it, Okay, Yes, So it's
basically like she exaggerated to not she maintained an exaggeration
that she told at that dinner that she had to
go to the hospital, and then when that might have
been her hesitation in the car with Jen and Tamara,
when she was like.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yes, it was Tamara and Shannon.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Tamar and Shannon that she said it to. Gretchen said
it in the car on the girl's trip, and she
was weirdly hesitant about saying it right. So then now
that she's been asked on the lie detector, she never
went to the hospital, but that's part of whatever she
told them at the dinner.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
So she was sticking with a lie. Yeah, to tell
Tamra and Shannon.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Hypothetically that's a great thing you now, that would make
her lie, That would make the lie detector not false. Right,
But then she said that she didn't say anything to
Katie and Jen. So now we're back to square one
because that side detector said that was truthful.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
So I don't believe Gretchen, and I don't believe Katie,
and I don't believe Jen. So I'm going back to
not believing all three of them, but believing some of each,
actually none of Jen, because I really do think Jen
is protecting Gretchen. I don't know, why do you guys
like she was at that dinner. I believe Why do
(14:51):
I believe that Gretchen said it? I don't. Why do
I believe that I too?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Well, because she, especially at the time of that dinner,
she has to be I mean. The thing is, though,
if she's sitting at that dinner saying that there's other
people she's told this to over seventeen years, this is
not a fresh take. So somebody else she has had
to have told this story too well.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
If okay, right, right, So why wouldn't like Ryan? And well,
if Ryan's in kahoots with Jen, and Jen's in kahoots
with Gretchen, He's not going to say anything. So the
only people and Slave's not going to say anything. So
the only person that we can lean on is Matt
and Katie. And Katie has absolutely no credibility whatsoever, which
(15:39):
is why no one will believe her. And I get it.
She is not a believable person at this point. She
has lied so many times. And when they were doing
this party at Emily's the Persian New Year, Katie was
very sick, sick to her stomach, remember that, and she
was going to the bathroom and I was like, oh
my god, is this because she knows that there's going
(16:01):
to be a lie detector, and she's worried about doing
this light detector because she lied.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Well previous we as viewers don't know at that point
she knew about the light detector.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I know that's correct, but maybe I think she should.
I have a feeling she probably did.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Well.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Here's the thing though, I wondered if she didn't open
the door to one of them when she was looking
around for the bathroom, right, but you know, but.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
She was there, but she was sick. But then she
had already been sick though, so then that wouldn't matter.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
No, I know.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
But the only reason I would say I believe they
didn't know there was a lie detector because the truth
about not having alcohol was so real, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
That, But it was how many times have you been
at one of these light detector parties? Because she's like, oh,
that's why, that's why I.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Don't right, she figured it out that that was so funny. Yeah,
never seen her so sharp, by the way, so sharp,
and that's why there's no alcohol.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Oh the glass of shamp I've never seen a glass.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
The champagne that was poured for Heather was a goblet
of champagne. I've just never seen such a strong pour.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I think there is a storm.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Tessa says, there's a storm a bruin. All right, well
let's continue to really chisel in here, because we are
not We're just scratching the surface. Yeah, because you want
to say something, Emily. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Because Katie also had her moment of receiving the information
from Wendy the light detector.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Oh Wendy, Okay, Wendy.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
She was an OCY fan, you could tell, but she
uh everybody else that was passing on different questions she
was saying was a lie. And I was like, m Katie,
you're setting this up, like because you know you failed.
So if you're if you're denying the results all around,
(18:17):
then you can deny yours. I mean, it was like
or I also thought, oh, this is how Katie operates,
So this is how she thinks the world is. So
that's how she operates, like nothing's real. So I just
had watching that scene. I was like, oh, I finally
kind of got Katie in that moment, like nothing's real.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Nothings I operate like this. It it gave me a
dissociation vibe. Yeah you know what I mean, Like it's yeah,
if she is fully lying about everything, you know, I
mean that she's getting caught in another lie. How can
you move about the cabin looking so innocent and so
(19:05):
believable every step of the way to the point where
she's walking out and talking to a producer, and I'm
still like thinking to myself, she's so convincing. So how
is it possible for somebody to be so convincing and
lie though? Because like, there are times when I see
(19:25):
her that she has her tells. Okay, when she sat
down at the line detector test the minute that started
getting going, and she was like, oh, I'm so worried.
I'm so anxious about this, and the tech said, has
nothing to do with anxiety, and she was like, oh,
I know, it's like do you So she was already like, oh,
(19:46):
I know, I know it's not that I'm just I
just getting anxiety. And it's like, well, I don't know.
She's too quick to like tell a story. It makes
me think that she's an exaggerator, an elaborator, and she
doesn't consider that a lie. You know, some people kind
of go, what do you were you gonna say something? Emily?
(20:08):
And let me just make clear everybody knows Emily's name.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
That's what I'm called. It's stupid. I think that I
have I think Katie's wrong. I think that I would
totally believe everything because it comes in a beautiful package.
And in terms of like her, she seems so earnest,
(20:38):
and she seems so in her moment and standing her ground.
But that is also why I have also been lied
to in a massive way, you know, just like in
a business situation or whatever. And then I think about
all the podcasts we love, like Scamanda or you now, Unicorn.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Girls, Unicorn Girl. I just yeah, that too.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Hmmm.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
So it's like they you know, the I don't liar
face sociopath but like, yeah, but like I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I mean, it's very possible anybody, I mean, anyone on
the Housewives could be a sociopath. I mean anyone anywhere.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
People have made good points about if we are drilling down,
so let let's just pull.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Back for a moment.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Okay, joke back volume he joked back.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Okay, because.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I'm getting stuck on she had this sit down, she
created this sit down with Kiki money, Like that is
such a that's such a bad thing.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
That is that You're right, the motivation. Yep, hold up, Okay.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Then I pull back a little bit and I go
Tamra has a full podcast where she talks about the
housewives and they sit.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
In front of everybody, not behind people's backs, to a reporter.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
But Heather's having other you know, she's meeting with paparazzi.
There's so much that guy.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I agree, they are all talking. They're all talking about
all talking.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Things are getting out there, people are making connections, they're
all talking. I believe Katie and I feel like has
came into this environment. Well remember she walked into this
environment wanting to take down Heather to brow.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Right, and that was proven to be not the case
that she lied because the paparazzi said that that's not
what happened. But I also believe that Heather knew that
those pictures were being set up.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Well, the light detector, the light detectors, we're giving the
light detector any credibility. Heather was lying And that was
one thing that Katie co signed on for the lie
detector or working.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Was you see it working here?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Oh? Interesting?
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I think she approached this like minute one before she
even showed up. She was like, I'm coming in ready.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
To tangle, ready to wrestle, and premeditated.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
She was coming in with ever meditated all of that,
and I think.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Where was horrible, horrible, horrible.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Terrible approach.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
But then the end of Seveson one, she agreed to that,
admitted it. I understand, and wanted to move different.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
But I think she's she was moving that way. We
don't know when she had that epiphany, Like we're like
the end of season one, Well, it might have been
after Kiki, after this, after this where she goes, I've
kind of made some mistakes, you know what I mean, Like,
we don't I.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Thought she said the reunion unless she met with Kiki
in between.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Okay, I see, you don't.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Exactly know when this you know, when.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
She had the light bulb go off that she's approached
this all wrong, and that could have been I don't know.
So I loved yours Dimmerman dress and her pink cardigan
at the light detector event the Persian New Year, and
(24:22):
she is so lovely and normal. See the visual is
so appropriate and rightly.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
That's what you do when you're going to court and
you're guilty innocent, you wear Yeah, you wear these innocent
looking clothes. I mean it's she's got two stylists and
they're basically like, oh, you're being accused of being a liar.
You're going to be taking a light detector test. We'll
give you our court outfit.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Right, Yeah, And it was working on me, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yes, as it should. But let me ask you this.
When she says that Jen was at that dinner, didn't
Jen look a little fidgety when when Katie was like
they were arguing on that cat? Yeah, and Jen goes,
why are you looking at me? It's like right, because bitch, you.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Were there there you can confirm.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
So what's what would what would Jen gain from protecting Gretchen?
And when Jen was in her confessional, she was talking
about how Katie was her closest friend and she can't
believe it's all now blown up because she's seeing Katie
for who she is. So if that's true and Jen
(25:33):
is just blatantly lying like that, that is going to
throw me away for a loop.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Wait a minite, guys, we know that Jen has already
said that they were all at dinner talking about this. Yeah,
jen'sory said that, like there's been so many lies at
this point, Jen said, what is first episode or whatever?
The first episode we started talking about about this?
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Wait, what snaked wasted? That was so long ago?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
And then the next episode she said, we were all
at dinner, we were talking, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (26:08):
And now she knows nothing about it?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Again, why didn't anyone write down on their questions?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Jen?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Did Gretchen say this at that dinner?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Or?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I did not everybody know about the dinner I think.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
As viewers were seeing the timeline edited together of the conversations,
but I think in the moment there, they haven't put
all the pieces together.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Tam Or didn't know about that dinner. She wept dinner.
She was like so razzled and it was so she
on the edge of her seat. And when the lie
detector tech was reading off all of the results and
said that Gretchen Gretchen's answer to to did you tell
(26:52):
Katie and Jen that you were drugged? And Gretchen said,
I said no, And then Tam was like, uh, that's
us us this and she was clapping and I was like,
I don't know why she's clapping. Why are you clapping?
I don't get it. I don't know what you're being sarcastic.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Are you being here?
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Tamra agreed, also did you notice? And I mean these
are just like I'm really picking here. But when Gretchen
was being asked, I mean no, no, yeah, when they
were reading her results and the tech was like, did
you tell Katie and Jen that you were drugged? And
she goes, I said no. Did you go to the
(27:30):
hospital after naked wasted? I said no? It's like, okay,
you said no, But what the bug is the actual truth?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Because do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
And then Tamra inter confessional talking about Clyars. She tell
her lies all the time. She says, this professional liar,
she's flyes, So why is it hard to believe that
Gretchen is such a good liar, that she lied so
well during her lie toctor test, and that Katie isn't
a good liar? And then aha, and this is why
(28:05):
he detectors don't work.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
To Diana's point about like everybody is moving slick on
the sides and misrepresenting the truth, that's a very good
point and I don't think I think it may have
just changed my mind a little bit on how hard
I was going on Katie in terms of comparing her
to Unicorn girl, because that is not the case. She
(28:28):
is not Unicorn girl. But I do just think that
she thinks she's a lot smarter than a lot of
the people in the room and wanted to control this thing,
and it's so far out of the gate, and she
doesn't have a team to bet. She doesn't have her
Vicki and Shannon, where Tamra or how they're like everybody
(28:48):
has a reason that they have alliances and Katie just
never formed those, Like the best thing she had was Gina.
So now she's in deep shit and I think no
one will have her back because she's just fucked up
too many times.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
She has no emotional connection, you know. That's what the
thing is very weird. When was she trying when she left,
when she left the house.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah no, in her confessionals, she was crying so much
it was down on her dress. Her tears were in
her dress. And when her in that tan dress.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah yeah, at the end when she was like you
may never see this face again kind of thing, like yeah, okay, well,
I mean I guess what I mean is when she's
around these ladies and she's being accused of all this stuff,
it's just very even keel type of you know, balanced,
we're not used to seeing that. Mouse is the one thing.
(29:47):
I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying like, in
that moment when that light detector tech gal, who was
very dramatic, honey, it was like you, yeah, you failed
more than anyone significantly, oh significantly, significantly significantly. And it's like, okay,
(30:15):
I mean you're not the judge and the jury report
the news.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
But it is a grading on a light detector. So
I thought, well, then give us the other side of
the if it was a light failing.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Well they may have, but they cut it out probably
and they left in that significantly somebody.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Else had a significant right.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Katie was like, Okay, gred there you know.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
So I just was like, well, she has no is
there anything there? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Hello, Well it's almost like how I when I play
Mafia and I'm the Mafia, right yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Same?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Hold it?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
So there you.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
Go like you're not gonna see me swat.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Well, then she's lying obviously.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Well and can get a conclusion.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yes, because Diana, if that's all play, Katie, sign we
solved it, you guys, We absolutely saved it. By the way,
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Speaker 4 (31:43):
I imagine I need to get the Great Gummies because.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
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There are levels, and it's yes, the three New Ones.
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Speaker 3 (32:18):
Shall we?
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d D one sign up. Okay, we're back. We're talking
about this bonkers lie detector episode of the Real Housewives
of Orange County. I'm with Emily Deresis and Deanna Chang. Deanna,
you had something percolating that you wanted to.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
You had a little something percolating.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
So here's where I'm as I walk away from this
lie detector extravaganza. These are my thoughts. One, let's just
deal with the lie detector test. Okay, my understanding, they
use lie detector tests reliably in like government interrogations, So
(37:40):
I don't think in a court of law it's a
different story. But I don't think lie detector tests by
and large, and I don't have the numbers.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
I didn't do any.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Research before I got here, but I follow this woman
who's a former Secret Service agent, and she she did
a lot of entire gating of people have committed crimes
and all that, and she used lie detective tests all
the time and found them to be quite reliable. It's
just that they don't go into the court of law.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
So because you can trick them, that is possible in
terms of I think it's your heart rate down if
you know you're going into it.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
I think the percentage of people who can trick the
test is very, very low, and I think it is
a good indicator, and I don't think these housewives can
trick the test.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Also out their booze.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Also, Deanna, to your to that point, and I just
want to throw this in there before you continue, so
don't lose your listen.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
I'm there, Okay, good putting a pin face.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Reality sixteen posted this today, which is why a polygraph
test lasts one and a half to two and a
half hours and why on the housewives it can't be
accurate because they're shortened. They're only in there for a
shorter amount of time, so the average length is much longer.
So each person would need to be in there for
(39:05):
like an hour and a half to two and a
half hours. They have to be prepared and evaluated in
such a way. But this is a really expedient process.
It's you know, sped up. So that being said, that
should be taken into consideration. Deanna pick it up.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
Okay, I'll take that. I'll take that into consideration.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Thing, so we have so okay, so I'm going to
say polygraphs at large, I think tend to be reliable.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
Putting that to the side.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Okay, fair enough, These these.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
These people executing the polygraph tests. That lady and all
her emotions seemed very suspicious to me.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I was.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
In at large, even when Katie left and she was like, well,
she was lying her ass off or whatever that.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Was wine in the yeah, that was wild. But in
the test I thought they were giving them nothing.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
That's fine.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
But I thought her emotional response to these results was odd.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
To me.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
It felt felt like what skin, what skin do you
have in this game? Like she just read yeah, sure,
or maybe this was a setup.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Maybe the guy, Oh you guys, there's going to be
a spin off, a lie detector test spin off, and
she is the star.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Yeah, Wendy, her and Alison Debro are gonna But and
then the guy I have was reading that he is
a known sort of scammer who you can pay off
to get the results that you want.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
And he's been on other shows doing this work.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
So I I have a question mark around and now
with this information about you know, just the set up
the executors, I have questions, you know, so I just
want to throw that throw that I agree.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yes, now you're moving me back towards Katie because I
didn't want I want Katie. I'm rooting honestly, I'm rooting
for Katie. And a lot of the reason I'm rooting
for Katie is I love Emily, but man, she goes
so hard and she looks for every opportunity to drill
down with all the drills on Katie, and like at
(41:21):
the reunion last year and now at this party, and so.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Well, I like it when she kicked her out that
don't kick people out. Don't kick people out. There's no
reason they're going to leave anyway if someone's being ganged
up on, and she was. And look, I'm not saying
she didn't ask for it, because if she's lying, she's lying,
and people are all mad, you know, but we don't
need to like run around the village, you know, with
our torches, like when they when she was like get
(41:46):
out of my house. I mean, I think you should leave.
I hate that. And when she was leaving and she
was upset upside outside, it's like you're you're you're making
us then have empathy for somebody that you want us
to not like because you're accusing her of lying. But
now we feel bad and like it looks like a
gang up.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
Well, in the beginning of it, Gina is very much like,
don't worry, We're gonna smoke her out of her hole
right now. So that seemed they seem so goddamn certain.
And I know some of that has to do with
connecting with Kiki, But the whole thing thrown under the
guys of Persian New Year, which Emily knew zero about,
Shane knows less.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Was just just gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
It was gorgeous, It really was. I loved it. It
looked great.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
I love it looked great.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
But it was such a bait and switch, and like,
you know, it was such a setup to get to
get someone drilled to the wall, you know, And I'm like,
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (42:47):
What about this was real?
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Yeah, so yeah, I am now suspicious of Emily, of
Emily's intentions, But at the end of the day, like
I would, I believe every I believe Emily. That's a thing,
like she has given me every reason.
Speaker 5 (43:03):
To believe Emma.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Yeah, I like regarding she comes across as a trustworthy person.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Too, Yes, as a voice of reason on the show. Yeah,
I mean, I don't know whose idea it was to
do the lie detector, you know, I don't know if
it was Emily's. I don't know if it was Gina's.
I don't know it was producers, but.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
It was Emily's because it was because Katie. They had
that flashback of Katie said I'll take a lie detector
test or maybe yeah, to your point, maybe Gina, it
was like we should and then Emily actually did it,
but didn't tell Gene until she got there.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
M M yeah, balls, Oh my god, bulls. That was
very funny.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
The other significant lie was Jen saying she was happy
about married.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Are there any concerns about you marrying Ryan significant? She's
significant fail? Well, just you know, you know, just nerves
about getting married. You know that's all bikini body Uh
huh no, no.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
No that's not the question.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
But listen, ask if you were going to be bikini ready.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah, that should have been a question with regard to
Jen and her ability to maybe cover for Gretchen. I
believe she has that capability because she's covered for Ryan.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Oh yeah, for sure, But I don't know if she
has that capability in this test.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
She wasn't asked any questions about it, and I see
what saying, which is not right. They should have asked her,
we're you know at this dinner. Oh, we already talked
about that. We don't know about the dinner.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Well, what was confusing, though, is why And I think
we touched on it just a little bit at the beginning,
but like then once, why didn't Shannon or Tamra say
something in the moment about you told us you went
to the hospital Gretchen when she said when the results
of the lie detector test? You know how we always
(45:02):
say like it's annoying when shit happens off camera, that's
annoying to us, and then it comes up like we
have to live in two worlds. What's more annoying to
me is something like this where we're a we are
all sitting and knowing a big piece of information that's
not being mentioned in a scene that you're like, why
is no one saying this? And then you find out
(45:26):
later like I just wanted to hold back and it's
like why why why?
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Right?
Speaker 4 (45:31):
But not here, not now, not when we have lie
detectors in different rooms, Like that's yeah, hold back.
Speaker 7 (45:38):
Also, like Gretchen is a little housewife rusty because she
said uh when she walked in, like she didn't want
to confront Katie because and She's like, this is not
the place or the time, and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
Oh girl, it's the time yet flip it. It's not
the time or the place, the place of the time, Okay.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Speaking of Gretchen, when they were at the sit down
with Kiki Monique, and Kiki was like this, these are
the facts my friends, and Gretchen was like, huh, I
can't believe this. And then Kiki leaves and then she
is crying. She is crying really hard.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
She's not kik Ki.
Speaker 5 (46:19):
Is like done, He's like, where's my mic off?
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, Gretchen is crying and she's saying this is messed up.
People can't do this. Now I'm starting to be scared
about whatever. Everybody's try been trying to tell me forever,
But how would I know? And I am reading between
those lines because I'm not hearing an innocent person say
(46:45):
I didn't say. I didn't say that about dinner. I'm hearing.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
You're right.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
What she said was everyone said it. I didn't listen.
But how would I know? Well, see, everyone said it,
and you didn't listen.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
Everyone said what, Well, to avoid Katie?
Speaker 5 (47:05):
Right, Like, that's the right that everyone said. She's saying,
you can't ever avoid Katie.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Before you come on the season.
Speaker 5 (47:13):
I didn't listen.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
I didn't listen.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
What I have known, Well, you got set and you
didn't listen.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Right now, what we're saying is we're presuming that Gretchen
was warned before coming on this season that Katie is
not a to be trusted. She lies, she makes things up.
Do not trust her at all, don't have an ally
ship with her because she'll burn you in the end,
or she'll look for something, so on and so forth.
(47:40):
Oh and then the recording and all this other stuff.
So the recording of Shannon, So then you think that
she wasn't going to go to Keiki Monique with that recording.
By the way, See that's where I'm like, I get
right back to it, But I digress. Okay, So Gretchen
was told this don't trust her. She she kind of
comes on the season. She's caught up in getting back
(48:00):
on the season. She's got these new allies, Jen and Katie,
and we're all out to dinner having a great time.
She's not naked, wasted, but she's feeling relaxed. She's feeling
like back in the game. She opens up her mouth
a little too much, says a little too much, and
it's come back to bite her. So when she's crying,
she's saying, this is so messed up. How can somebody
(48:21):
who I trusted this information with that can be so
damaging and so bad for Tamra that she would come
after me and sue me? How could she do this
to me? Now I'm starting to be scared because what
else is she going to say? What else is what
else is she going to do to me? And how
would I have known that? Thank you, good night, you nye, everybody,
(48:45):
Thank you very much. Bottom line is I am leaving
this with saying I believe Gretchen told Katie and that
table of people that Tamara drugged her allegedly, and I
believe Jenna is protecting her. And then I believe also
that Katie's lying about everything else.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
I mean to say, yes, I agree with that. I
do think Katie's lying, But I'm gonna have empathy because
I keep going back to Katie's origin story, and I
think she really needs to work on some things personally
and psychologically there because like you know, she still hasn't
met her bioparents. Not that you need to do that,
(49:29):
but that is something that weighs on her. We know,
we know that she had a very rough first marriage.
I think she's still in survivor mode. Is when she's
trying to survey. I like that, So I have empathy
for that. That said, I don't trust her in this moment,
(49:50):
and I also don't trust Gretchen either, so.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Which is so weird because she's kind of different like this,
like a Christian and she's praying with sliw and like,
it's not that I don't think that there's a hypocrisy everywhere.
I mean, I watched documentaries all the time. I've lived
this life. I'm I'm a liver, you know. But so
it's it's not that I don't understand that these two
things can be in total contradiction with each other, but
(50:16):
to be that she doesn't strike me as coming on
and just lying through her teeth all the time. But
I can't help but believe that she is.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
Well because what I think when I go through all
of it, it's like, Okay, well, was she drugged?
Speaker 5 (50:31):
You know what I mean? Because she did go to
the hospital. Did they find drugs in her system?
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Maybe they didn't, but they didn't go But she didn't
go to the hospital.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Who know why?
Speaker 3 (50:42):
Don't know that?
Speaker 5 (50:43):
But I'm saying, like, let's say she did.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
Okay, let's say she went to the hospital and it
was so bad and they found traces of this, that
and the other in her body.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
That's right, because that's what Katie said. This is fucking crazy.
I can't even know.
Speaker 4 (50:57):
So if that was the case, the reason why she
would have to do this number right now is she
has already looked down the road to see if she
had legal action, and she doesn't, right, because it's either
too far long ago, it's it she doesn't have enough evidence.
Speaker 5 (51:17):
It was slightly exaggerate, whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
Like, let's say, I'm just I'm just I'm throwing a
hypothetif that situation out.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
But I have to say, if she went to the hospital,
they would and they had that report. That's your evidence,
and I don't know if it.
Speaker 5 (51:30):
Is, but she might be able to pin it.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
You can't trace it.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (51:35):
You know what I mean? Like she could have pin
it on because if she could and she had it,
Oh God.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
Your story right, because that's why she said. Do you
think that if I had this, I would have said
something And she's saying exactly that, which is, if I
would have had evidence to pin it on Tam Rocks,
I would have brought this up. But I didn't, which
is she's.
Speaker 4 (51:55):
Probably run down that road and she knows she can't
pin it on Tama and her son. So that the
reason why she would have to Christian not Christian, blowout
not blowout.
Speaker 6 (52:11):
Slade mustache, slade mustache, head banded head bann this.
Speaker 4 (52:17):
Those snowbos is because is because she doesn't have the
amount of money that would be like Tamar's gonna sue
her fucking ass off and she will lose half of
her wealth. That they live a modest asque life, you
know what I mean. They're not, they're not, you know,
(52:41):
bathing in it.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
Like she can't guess who understands about losing money and
not having enough money jen uh huh, that's why she's
protecting her. She knows the financial destruction. If Gretchen were
to admit that she said this at a table of people,
it's a wrap. It's done.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
Yeah. Well, it's just crazy that Jimialino is allegedly now suing.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Gretchen and slowly because of the already I already know
when she's starting to throw her fishing starting right now. Yeah, Deanna,
you were you were hot on something. And that leads
me to my final final conclusion. Yeah, I'm kidding. I
(53:30):
already said it. I already said what I said when
I said, you know, which is it all makes sense
to me now why Gretchen was crying because she knows
that the cards, the house of cards of what she
said is going to fall and she's going to be
financially responsible.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
And it is shitty for Katie to run to Kiki
with that, by the way, like that's Gretchen's and that's
her justification.
Speaker 3 (53:57):
But it's also shitty. This is where I go back to,
like Katie, I mean, if it's all for show whatever,
and in terms of staying on the show.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
And.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
But she also, let's not forget is trying to destroy Kiki,
and that's not fucking great either, Like that's Katie, Like
full right, Katie's trying to destroy Kiki, who really doesn't
have a voice on the show at all.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Yeah, and good points.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
And it's like lying about that.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
Yeah, that's really bad. So if Gretchen is like, I
have to save my own ass because it's me against
somebody who is doing moving and badly. Yeah, litigious going
to press all the time, I don't care. I'm gonna
save my own ass because I'm not going to go
down this road. And nobody told me it would be
(54:49):
this bad And what else is next? And how would
I have known? And this is so messed up. People
can't do this. Everything she said, the story has been
told and we can see it. We'veigured it out. I
really think we figured it out.
Speaker 3 (55:02):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 5 (55:07):
Where where we're we're okay.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
With Russian stretching the truth or lying because we get
it on a bigger level.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
On a fiscal level, on a fiscal level, okay, Yeah,
but it's a reckless. It's also reckless to be saying
that in the first place.
Speaker 3 (55:27):
To a table of because started this house of cards.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
Yeah, yeah, like you thought that. Yeah, I mean again,
everyone said it the book. Mm hmmm, that was Fraser.
That was Fraser. But let's also you know, we don't
need to focus on the naked wasted night, but that
was also fucked up to begin with anyway. I mean,
now we're seeing footage rolling and rolling from that scene
(55:51):
and it's dis de disgusting and disgusting.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
Falls you have Bravo to be flashing that footage.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
Around, so have had Yeah, I know, but they're obviously covered.
Speaker 3 (56:04):
Yeah, I mean, everybody's covered until you have a good
legal argument and then it gets argued. So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
Well, guys, the one last thing I will say before
we wrap is that there was a post Katie Janella
will not appear on Real Housewives in Orange County, and
it's in quotes for a while. After tonight's episode. August
twenty eighth episode is her last appearance for a while
on the show. Bravo felt that all of the women
(56:33):
were coming for her and decided to remove her from
the mix for a bit. A source tells Okay Magazine.
It was clear all the women had planned to band
together to take Katie down, and they ended up refusing
to film with her end quote. And then the other
thing is, oh, this is wild. So Katie posted on
(56:54):
her Instagram a picture of her in her gorgeous dress,
and she says the caption is another waste of a
good dress. And guess who commented right below that Tamra
Judge and it says, girl, that dress was fire. I repeat, okay, girl,
that dress was fire. So they have somehow communicated again
(57:16):
and are I don't so I don't know what's going on,
but that's the real time update.
Speaker 4 (57:21):
Well you have to remember that she that gret Tamra's
goal is to take down Gretchen.
Speaker 2 (57:27):
Gretchen Gretchen.
Speaker 3 (57:29):
So right to our earlier point, my earlier point about Gretchen. Legally,
that was all me. I came up with that point.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
Boys on the board, scratches, scratches.
Speaker 3 (57:43):
Yeah. So now Tamra's if she aligns with Katie, she
could maybe have something against Scretchen outside of the show legally,
so who knows. I just don't think it would hold up,
But who knows. That makes the most sense to me
that Tamar's.
Speaker 2 (57:58):
Got because why would Tamra be friends with someone who's
gonna lie about Kiki Monique and deliberately knew that she lied,
Like that doesn't make any sense when yeah, when Tamra's
you're going she's lying. Science is so good lying. I mean,
make a choice, all right.
Speaker 3 (58:14):
I will say Tamra's outfit was awesome.
Speaker 2 (58:16):
I love that red red flowy pants slowly so nice
to see her in something flowy and breezing.
Speaker 3 (58:23):
Yeah, eggs on the bottom, Eggs on the.
Speaker 5 (58:27):
Everyone I was worried about.
Speaker 3 (58:30):
You guys have egg on your feet.
Speaker 2 (58:32):
I honestly send a text to the group and say
there's gonna be eggs on my cash, you.
Speaker 5 (58:37):
Know, like it'll alarming.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
Yeah. Also eggs on well, like a car, a paint
is bad. Eggs on a house is bad. Eggs on
cement or brick is that bad?
Speaker 3 (58:48):
It was brick. I'm going to assume that it was
not fun to clean up. I mean it's gonna stick.
Speaker 2 (58:55):
And you know what you need that power washer? Yeah, yep,
well I'm glad we can end on a powerwasher. Note
me too. As always, guys, please give us a follow
a great review. You can follow Deanna M. Chang on Instagram,
m Dereesis on Instagram. Yours truly at meeting me Phillips
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(59:21):
great weekend, everybody. Bye, girl Bye.
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