September 26, 2025 • 60 mins
Hey Drama Darlings! In this action-packed episode, Amy Phillips and Emily Dorezas are breaking down the Real Housewives of Orange County. From Tamara's never-ending feud with Gretchen to the hilarious and horrifying moments at the self-defense class, we cover it all. Join us as we dissect Tamara and Sophia's lengthy Music Institute scene, Jen and Ryan's chaotic wedding plans, and the unraveling drama brought by Gretchen and Slade. Plus, laugh along with us as we share our thoughts on the housewives' phrase mix-ups and Gretchen's Tomb Raider look. Don't miss out on our take on the intense showdown where long-standing grudges come to a head. Make sure to click follow, share, and check out our Patreon for exclusive content and tickets to upcoming events!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Drama, Darling.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Drama, Darling Drama, Darling. Hey, everybody, welcome back in It's Friday.
It's Real Housewives of Orange County Day. What an episode.
We're gonna be talking about it momentarily, and hope all
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(01:16):
two nights. You guys. It's going to be such a blast.
Who's going to Bravocon. Whats up? Emily is joining us? Hi, Emily,
how are you help?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Thank you, Lisa, Thank you Amy. I'm doing well on
the heels of the really great OHC episode.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I'm hearing sarcasm in your voice.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
No, no, I say really great because I didn't have
high hopes when we had that four hour scene with
Tamar and Sophia at the music institute.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, there were a lot you know what. I think
that they needed some time to group after the insanity
that has happened over the last like six episodes.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I agree, I agree. I just thought that was a
long one. Like I thought the Gen and Eavy scene
was great. I know, we'll get to.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It, but I just was like, we're at it, We're
at it, We're at.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
A music institute scene. I was just like, why, I
thought you're supposed to sign up?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Is this a documentary?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I know, is this a commercial?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I was looking for like the QR code in the corner.
I've got my phone out, I'm ready to scan, and
I'm like, can we get merchandise? Can we buy records
from here?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Like?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
And then to go into that one, you know, drum
room and Tarama said.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
This is the sucker.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Oh that's it's amazing. This is John Johnson. Yeah, it's
so great. And it's like that room just sold her on.
The whole school was just that one room with the
drum kit. She was like, let's do the Sufia. He's like, whoa,
there are more. I'm like, I freaking hope. So we're
just getting drums today. But yeah, I mean obviously.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Like three different rooms. I mean, we saw the building,
we did a walk through, we went.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I loved being on Hollywood Boulevard. It's not every day
you get these housewives walking down Hollywood Boulevard because it
is a you know what I mean. If you've been here,
you understand, and it's so much better than it used
to be. But it's not a walk in the park
Hyde Park. If you will, you know, it's like it's
pretty dirty. It's really you know.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
What's your pretty woman on the on the fire escape?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I did enjoy that. I've seen
that music institute many times. I'm sure you've seen it.
It is a highly regarded music institute. Certainly it is.
And you always see students around that area. You always
know them. You're like oh, you know these are the
music students because you see them and they're all like,
you know, a music student when you see them. Sure,
(04:03):
it's like, so it's a bunch of Sophias, I mean
very you know, eccentric and like cool and hip and
it's it's cute. But I'm excited for her. I think
it's great and uh but yes, it was a very
long scene.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
So yeah, well anyway, clearly she's getting in there for
free thanks to that scene.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Oh I think about that right, good point.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, They're like, if you can get us twenty minutes
of airtime, you will give you free tuition. And Tamra's like, okay,
you got it.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
This junk cut, this is the missing drump cut. I
can smash these fucking drums. Fucking Gretchen's make me sup
Pats right now. I'm gonna smash these drums. Get on
my anger out.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
What do you know about me? Bitch?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I turned into like VICKI when I yell yeah, that
was it's great. And you know, I think they're trying
to show a little more of a softer aside from
Tamar at this point, because yeah, I mean it starts
with soft and ends with hard. We know she's a mom.
I mean it's heavy on the storyline with her and
her daughter. We typically haven't seen that, you know, we
(05:10):
haven't seen her kids the entire time she's got in
Orange County, except to hold it up for.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
It with that scene. They made up for the time
over ten years. So I mean, because we just got
a blip of Emily and her kid, we got a
blip of you know, like, yeah, I'm just kind of
her daughter, Annabelle. I love annabel So I maybe I
want more annabel Yeah, that Emily's daughter. Yeah, yeah, she's
(05:35):
like growing up before our eyes.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And by by annabel you mean that the haunted doll, not.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
How I'm dare you? I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Emily says a haunted doll as a child. Oh, it
was so good if they did like a Halloween episode
and just made like for real never mind, Okay, I
digress in the real household of Halloween and it's like
just seriously haunted, just a bunch of ghosts. We've talked
about this before, anyway, I digress.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I'm on board. I'm on board, and I'm spelling it
bo r ed.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
So you're going back to that music scene I got you,
I got you. So, yeah, we had that scene. We
had the scene with Jen and Everly, and before that
we had Jen and Ryan talking about their wedding. Those yeo,
a real piece of work. Those two talking about a
wedding is just it's fun to watch, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Well it's interesting too because if they're talking September and
they want to get this done in September, that's not
when Housewives of OC film. And so I'm like, you
guys are talking about this and it's not going to
be on a season of OC. That's crazy, Like you
guys need this to be a Jen's storyline for a season.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Like wow, that's a really good point. I mean, if
they're going to be working around Dawson's schedule, they're not
going to be able to maybe line it up with
the shooting schedule.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Because I think they used to film in the fall,
but they don't now right, Well know, yeah, so I don't. Yeah,
it'll be interesting to see if what actually gets moved
around there.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Well, you know, sometimes the production companies don't want to
see the weddings, they don't want to do it. They
you know, we learned from Sheena's book, which we did
a whole Bravo book Club review on.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
What did you did you see that clip from Watch
What Happens Last Night? With Tamra? Yes, please tell the
audience Okay the darling. So Tamra and oh my god,
I'm spacing Adriana Adriana were on and Andy basically is like,
who do you not want to run into at Bravo
kan and without a blink, Tamras says Shena, And without
(08:08):
a blink, Adriana co signs it. And because Tamras says,
Sena created all this shit with Gretchen this season, and
Adriana says something about the captain.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, but I've never seen a stronger endorsement than for
me wanting to see Sheena as a housewife, because I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Like, everybody's saying, yeah, if she kicked this off, good
for you. Wow, that's impressive. Yeah, well, I mean it is,
You're You're actually right, I mean, wow, header over to
Orange County. Where does she live now? I don't even
remember in the valley. Oh right, Oh, she'll go right
(08:53):
to Orange County.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Oh what's that? Wait?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
What's that noise? I hear? Oh that's Brock packing up. Yep,
that is Brock running. Yeah, he's running to Orange County.
He actually he forgot Sena and the baby. Yeah, he's
turning around. Hold on wait, yes, he got him. He's
running there. Sheena's like, why aren't we taking the car.
He's like, we have no time. I can hear it
all happening. Yep, that thirstiest guy. Okay, so they'll go
(09:17):
down there, they'll be on it and yeah, everybody's loving it.
And Adriana jumping on with the captain's captain cutie.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
It was very confusing, but the point being, like Tamra
accidentally probably just very much confirmed Sheena's a housewife by
throwing her under the bus, right, poor poor Tamra. Yeah,
she makes her nightmares come true.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Well, you know that's called manifesting. You mean Tamera Festing,
Tamera Festing, Welcome to tamafest This is where manifest darkness. Yeah.
So Jen and Ryan talking about their wedding and she's like,
so what do we need? Like flowers? Music? I'm like,
(10:10):
what are you doing to me? This looks like a
pitch to Bravo too. Can you please help us produce
and pay for some of this wedding?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, because if they're like, we're going to do it
in September, it's kind of like, well, we're going to
do our wedding. We're going to do it here unless
you offer us to do it on the show. Because
I think that works with Bravo or production where you
if you have an event and it's a it's a
pretty big one. You know, I'm not talking about like
a kid's birthday, a life event, and I'm talking funerals.
(10:44):
You know, they love a funeral.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Even if it's fake, like Shannon's.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Right, Yes, they're like Shannon, you're going to be laying
down under a like a styrofoam created tombstone. Okay, tell
us when this is we will be there. We will
work it into our production budget. It's not going to
be when we're filming. It doesn't matter. We'll be there.
So yeah, I think that like if you have a
(11:12):
life event and you don't and you are thirsty enough
that you want to get it on the TV show,
so you're working it, You're convincing everyone to put it
during filming. You're doing it everything yourself. You're not going
to have help from them. They're just going to be
like we may or may not show up. We don't
know that we hold the cards and they'll probably show up.
(11:33):
But if you are like, oh, we're going to do
it off season, then they might negotiate depending on what's
going on with and who it is, you know. Like
at this point, I honestly don't know if Brabo would
want to be there with Ryan on the beach and
Jen in a bikini.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I feel like maybe Bravo is hanging on with Jen
so that they can see what actually go down with
Ryan when all the ship goes down, if it allegedly does,
and that's going to probably be you know, in the
next year or so, maybe allegedly, so I could see
them being like, we need a strong storyline for Jen
(12:16):
and this could be it. But to your point, I agree.
I think like you have to act like you don't want.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Bravos, right, you gotta yeah, you gotta play it cool.
I mean, so, what do we need food or like imvitation?
What do they call them in the.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I think so it's like it's like an inn. I'm
it's like, because we have to act as people, we
have to ask people to be there, right, they have
to know that it's happening.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
You don't know that.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Like do we put on our social medias or.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I think these go on paper and there is a
name for it, Ryan, I swear there is a name.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I just can't We'll find out. I will find out, honey,
I will find out. Just maybe we'll send out bikini
and just like write the day down a bikini and.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Prob was like snapping their pencil.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Fine, is an imitation.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
We will do this.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
We can't take another sign, you can take another. Meanwhile, Everly,
who's just a lovely, lovely gal. And and when Chen
was like explaining to her during the facial, She's like,
let me tell you why it's really important to me
to get married in a white bikini on the beach
(13:32):
to a man who is allegedly allegedly in a lot
of trouble, allegedly allegedly who has questionable wardrobe, allegedly. Let
me explain, your father was a father and we were parents,
(13:55):
and he is a liability and great for TV. And
I look freaking fantastic in a bikini. I really hope
you can see this for me, honey.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
That poor girl could not not cry every time that
conversation it happened in the interview. It happened when she's
getting the facial and Jen set that thing up too,
and she's like, you're my best friend and I want
you by my side. Cut to forty seconds later, Ryan
is my best friend and I want to marry.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
When they were in the confessional and sweet Everly is,
you know, dabbing away her tears yet again, and then
Jen with that very stoic very you know, she put
her hand on her knee and was like, we're going
to get through this. You know, we've been through wars.
(14:54):
You know, this country has seen a lot. That was
like the face she gave it was like we you know,
we just celebrated nine to eleven, and we're going to
get through it. You know, like that's what that was
the expression, ye, the posture that she had, and you know,
and really at the end of the day, she's fighting
for her independence and her happiness. And so the question
(15:18):
is are we do we sign off on this once
we've seen her daughter now cry several times like it is.
It's hard to watch because I do understand, you get
a divorce. You know, she's married to this guy for
such a long time. Her whole life has been you know,
(15:39):
she hasn't been doing really what she's wanted to do.
She's made that very clear. Not to say that she
doesn't love her kids obviously, but like she wants to
have a different life now, and so you know, should
we give her that allowance without judging her? You know?
And that's what I'm struggling. I'm not Struggling'm one hundred
(15:59):
percent judging her. Let's get that.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
He's going to say, no, I'm going to judge.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, we're going to judge. But where do we land
on the judgment? And when you see this beautiful young
lady who is having such a hard time around it, well,
I mean, is that just inevitable? No matter what, is
she going to have to cry her tears based on
them being a part regardless of her mother or father
getting remarried or being with another person. I mean, how
(16:23):
does that all shake out? Where do we stand?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I don't know. I mean it's like it's like every
divorce has its own challenges that creep up and you
don't even realize it was a challenge. So I think
you just have to get through it. And Jen's going
to marry Ryan. It doesn't matter no matter what. Bi
couldn't stop. It isn't going to stop.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
It also, well.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Allegedly, I mean allegedly. I mean, we do have confirmation that.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
The FBI did not storm.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
They were They had a conversation, right he confirmed that right.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Now they've stormed in. They had helicopter as the flat
team came down like fuss Spider Man. There was Spider
Man's like just fucking like busting the windows. Oliver Dunson rants.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Allegedly, So they're gonna get married, and I feel bad
because there's just watching your kid get upset like that
must be like, yeah, be horrible, but I think it's
gonna be what it's going to be. It would be
because the only context we have as viewers is what
we've been told. And if that's what it is, that
(17:34):
she's just sad because of the divorce still and it's
like a death, then yeah, you kind of got to
get through it.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Just that's growing and right right, right right, and you
know you're on camera and that is going to really
push you into your feelings. It's an intense situation. Not
to say that those aren't real feelings, but well, if
that was rough to see, I'm glad we saw it.
I mean it really is, I think very relatable for
(18:01):
a lot of single parents who who are on the
edge of having a new relationship that maybe you know
in that camp. And yeah, I really do like her
a lot, and I like their relationship.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I do too.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
And it's like, even if you do everything perfect and
you're divorce, this is still going to happen. You're still
going to have some sad times.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
It's just just what it is.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Like it's Ryan though.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
That's what viewers were like, but this is for Ryan.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
And maybe that's what she's crying about.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
But yeah, maybe, but.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
But her her father is also in a relationship, you know,
so I'm sure it's a little bit of both. Like
if he was going to be getting married, the same
thing would happen. And it's so it's so hard, you know. Yeah, yeah,
any who, Okay, what what I do? What I say?
(19:05):
What I do?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Well, anyway, divorce, who gives a.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Shit, that's their problem, not mine? All right, let's go,
let's go to someone else's problem. Gretchen Slaight is her problem,
not mine? Thank good.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Oh, we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Skip right over Eddie and that fucking plate of watermelon.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
No, we're gonna talk Slat and Gretchen and Tamar and Eddie.
That's the order that I have.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Don't because I got a production note.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
What is your note on, Eddie. Let's let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
It's more for producers, guys.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Oh, don't put a white disc with red squares in
front of the camera and expect us not to realize
you're cutting in and out and editing things together. That
plate she brought out a plate of full watermelon. Next scene,
there is one piece left. Next scene, there's ten red.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Squares on that plate.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Next scene there's three. Oh my gosh, the continuity was
all messed up. I didn't even notice.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I kept looking at it right, white bright, I'm like,
just move it out of the shot.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I mean right when you got and there were slices, right,
there were slices obviously, Yes, No, he's just you were
counting down the bites.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
They were squares with toothpicks, and I'm like, oh, what
are you doing? Just push it out of the shot.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Oh that's where he was like, oh wow, you're really
Martha Stewart. Yes, yeah, I had these tips from bonds.
Oh my god, took him on the box, shoved him
in his fucking squats like our Cutain's Beth.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
So it's just me.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I just was like, what I want to believe that.
I want to be on board, but you can't do
this to me.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
You can't do.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
This, No, you can't. I think there's a lot of
people who feel that way, Emila, I did. Eddie's like,
come to Jesus about Shannon's not so bad anymore. Once
Gretchen's in the picture, He's like, Gretchen is just evil,
She's just she's the devil's child spawn, and Shannon just
(21:17):
she's just a good time. It was just she's just
a mess. I mean, she's harmless. I just thought that
was funny cut to Like in my brain, I just
see Shannon just like and then you just see all
the little fuzz hairs coming off the top.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
They grow as she's ye, that's actually hair growing.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
It's like her version of a chia pet. It's not
yeah oh man. Yeah. So that was fun. That was
fun to see Eddie wrap his head around Gretchen and
Shannon and comparing the two. I was like, Wow, there
is hope for Shannon and Eddie to be friends again.
All we needed was Gretchen to come in just the
(22:01):
flashback of Slade during that horrific stand up when he
called Vicky miss Piggy and then Tarma the Michelin man,
I don't remember that. I think we saw.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
It earlier this season, and I don't remember if it
was like on the extended Peacock version or whatever, but
or in an after show. By the way, there wasn't
an after show. I don't think this episode.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Well, because there wasn't much. I mean, the after show
would have been just talking about it would have been
the music School guide, just sitting there in one chair.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I actually thought that there should be an after show
because I wanted to know more about like the setup
for Gretchen and well, we'll get there. But like I guess,
I was surprised. It's like, once you commit to the
after show, had the fucking after show. But anyway, damn yeah,
I said it, and I learned that at.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
The Music Institute.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Say it, Shay and forget it, play drums. Regret it.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Anyway, Yeah, what was I what were you saying?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I was? I was saying that Slade called Tamra a
Michelin me. Yeah, and you know, just getting a refresher
of that and the bashing a male, bashing a woman
and body shaming her not once but twice in public
on television. And I know that people can be forgiven
(23:34):
for things that they've done in the past and stuff,
but he's clearly the same person and he would do
that again today if he had the chance, certainly by
the way he's acting. And it's just really really gross.
When Slade and Gretchen are talking, you know, Gretchen is like,
I'm so mad at you for bringing up Tamra's singing.
You know, I don't know what to believe. I mean,
(23:55):
not singing, I mean I mean the the the recording
about her in the background and all that stuff. So
I am not sure if Gretchen is genuinely pissed about
him bringing that part up. I am actually kind of
curious if she's like, why did you do that? You know,
(24:16):
I was just calling about the recording she brought. She
brought up the singing part and that she banged this guy,
but she didn't bring up the part about that there's
a recording that exists. He brought that up. I guess
it really doesn't matter. It's all the same bashing anyway.
She's the one who brought up the f the affair.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, And if I'm slate and I'm you are, Gretchen.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
You're one hundred percent slate.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
All we've been doing is talking about Tamra for the
last ten years.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Twelve twelve years. Dun't get it, fucking just says twelve
yards fucking twelve years, twelve fucking years.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
When was the no hate campaign Tamura? I forget is
that twelve ten years ago, twelve yards twelve we stopped
here as a nation because.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
We haven't we have not what spoiler alert spoiler alert
That campaign did not work, and it was because of
Tamra's bad song. Anyway, Yes, so she's been doing it
for twelve years and she brought it up.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
If Gretchen is calling me with Emily and Heather and
saying about Tamar in the studio, if I'm slate, I'm
thinking they're talking about her banging the guy allegedly from
ninety eight degrees. I guess I'm kind of jumping to
conclusion or I'm like, oh, this is my cue to talk.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
About right, this is her setting me up to bring
this up. Okay, yeah, I accept that. I mean completely, Well.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
That said, Gretchen, you fucking you can't put this all
on slate. You've talked about this an hour before that
phone call in the car.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I misspoke. I misspoke, budget, I must.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
You said banged and then you stood on it.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I miss Now, I didn't say that if.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I did it like Beverly Hills, or I said.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Something that I shouldn't have something I said something that
I shouldn't have, and I I miss stuck. Anyway, Okay,
now all that they're talking, I don't know if you noticed,
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but when they would throw to her confessional during that
scene that was introduced where that bouffont behind her headband
is bigger, it's gotten bigger from the last time. So
you know how these housewives. These housewives have to go
back into the studio to do their confessionals again. That's
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why they have to recreate that look. That's why they're
told not to change their hair. Don't worry, Sophia is allowed.
I liked her little short, dark hair, by the way,
her yes music school look. When we went back to Gretchen,
her hair in the bufont behind it was it was
larger than it normally is. Then it was like whoa.
It was a genuine jump scare you noticed the watermelon
(27:18):
and I noticed that hair I actually jump back. Now
I'm gonna show.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
You because it's very clean signs.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
This is if you're watching. Okay, here's the first shot. Okay,
this is when she went into the studio, the studio
the first time. Okay. Now here's when she went into
the studio the second time. Oh, it's bigger. Okay, see,
I got an idea. I've got a crazy idea.
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Speaker 2 (27:49):
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you're right here, Okay, right, we're right.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
We had a street going. We gotta we will break
our non posting streak.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Do not follow Drama dar show on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
We're no longer even going to promote it. I'm not
even We've never got the website right, and that's.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Might might, I don't know. Well, let's think about that, darlins.
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housewives that didn't have their phrases right in this episode?
We had Shannon and we had Gina, who couldn't put
together there right?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Gina, Gina?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
What is it? Gina? Is it?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Is it a mouse in a mole?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Up?
Speaker 4 (33:36):
It's a moley? Sheena he tap, it's a it's a
hole in a mole, eats a blanky, eats an.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Egg in a hole?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Almost there?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
What is it a mountain? Am Oh, it's Tapy amazing.
And then it was Shannon also that was like, I
know Tamar too well, and I'm not gonna fall. I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna fall. It's full fool her
twice fool me? I mean, is it fool me what
(34:16):
full full house twice full fully, fill it up twice,
fill it up, pour it out once once, bitten twice shy.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Oh what snake.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
She loves her rocket. Yeah, I gotta love it, gotta
love it. Let's let's head on over to Grutton. Gretchen's
self defense at United Defense jactical really based training.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Oh my god, reality Yeah, yeah, just for reality shows.
We just are training how to be defensive in reality
these shows. That was fucking terrifying.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
That was so messed up. I did not talking about.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Gretchen's pony tail.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Sorry, what were you talking about.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
The same thing? Actually, when she walked in, I was like,
what in the Erica Jane gone wrong?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I mean, Tamra was too kind saying Amazon tomb Raider
because that was a sheen tomb rader. I mean, it's
not even I did not understand what was happening.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
All that said. What a body? I mean, somebody who
says they don't exercise remember when they were? I don't
remember what they were doing. She was like, I haven't
exercise something in something years. How How like.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I don't understand science?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Sometimes I don't either, I I don't get it. I
I'm actually very confused, and I feel hurt. I feel hurt,
I know, I know, and betrayed.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yeah, I think the other part of it is that
I don't enjoy Gretchen so well. Yeah, I mean I'm mad. Also, yeah,
I would rather somebody else get that metabolism like you
were me or like anybody else besides Gretches.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Life isn't fair, and that's what it comes down to.
And obviously you guys, you know, were not negating the
fact that there may be some artificial opportunities at play here.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
But she's got like muscle, it seemed in that suit anyway,
she she like looked like cinched, like she had like
some but you know, who knows. Yeah, to your point,
who knows what's going on. I just am like, God,
bless great for you, Gretchen, Great for.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
You, I mean damn oh Okay. Also, no one else
was in anything, which is always just awkward that you're
the only one showing up in a costume.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Said, of course you'll be in a costume. I head
kidding in an interview. But you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
When they recorded it, but like I'm like, I wonder,
I don't remember that being Gretchen's thing. To me, that's
a Shannon thing.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Oh it is, yeah, but yeah, and Shannon's probably pissed
because of it. Were we doing tomb Rader? No one
told me about tom Rader. I I love tombs. I
was in front of a grave site. I had the
rip here, like Shannon Badoor, I could have brought it.
I am a tom Rader, David. It's in cold storage
(37:43):
to my other house.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Cold storage.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Tomb raider. Shannon Door wears that like one of those
you know, sandwich boards, like there's a tomb in the
front and Tom in the back. I stole it. I'm
raiding tombs.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Call me next, Angelina Jolie.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
I'm gonna rad David's tomb right now. I thought they
were getting divorced al right, So yeah, wow, that was wild. Okay,
So what was really messed up is that prank? Now, Emily,
I know you love a good prank.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
It's not a fucking prank.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Thank you. I'm glad that you are not on board
with the uh, you know, your difference tactical terms.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
She just had twenty minutes of clips of everybody talking
about how they've all been through something like this. We
don't need a real life example for these gals. I
was like, are you kidding me right now? Especially, I
had no idea about Shannon currently being stalked that she
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they cut to that clip of her this season saying that,
and I'm like, oh, maybe that's why Shannon's been a
little off this season, if she's currently having a stalker situation. Right,
I was like, what, And you're gonna send this guy
out there to fuck with them?
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Are you crazy?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
It was really something that we've never seen before, and
he was throwing out the F bombs. He was in
character and it was terrifying, like Gina jumping over to
Tamra and then.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
You know, Tamar jumped over to Gina, which was great
because Tamra's got all the fire in her and you
see like even in that moment, she's.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Like what and didn't she say?
Speaker 4 (39:42):
She's like she was pushing me towards the ceiling or
whatever the ass ciliate was it our window?
Speaker 2 (39:53):
That was wild? And then and then Shannon, which she
says in her confessional because she was like, do you
have any money? And she was like, I know, I
don't have money. I only have travelers checks. And then
she was like no, who carries cash, like she was
actually mad. She was like giving it back.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
To carries cash.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
I just carry loose pieces of spiral notebook paper with
kN Chance's debts.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I only have seats and decisives. Do you want doses?
And then the fact that she really did give it
back to him, and then in her confessional she was
like I was functioning frozen.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Which she said, this is for the show, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, she caught it, But at first I don't think
that she you know, I think for a second she
didn't know.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Well, I learned something really fucking important, and I am
not doing a bit. If I'm ever attacked, I'm going
to say, oh my gosh, is this part of the show, guys?
Is this part of the show? Keep rolling? And see
if I can just buy myself a mind or two
to get away and be like keep rolling. And so
they think that that I'm being filmed.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Oh I like that. I gotta remember that that's a
really good.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Brain or whatever.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
But like I was like, that's actually really a.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Good game and really specific. So so let's call it out,
like it'll be like this, Okay, how about you be
the assailant and then I'll be me in this situation. Okay, hey, okay.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Hey, you got squiral paper in that bag. Okay, let
me have that bag. No, let me have your suitcase
of pans.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Oh my gosh, is this for ridiculousness? I freaking love
this show ridiculousness. You got me see?
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Then you can be like Bill Roman a fucking joke.
If you are an actor and you're like, guys, are
we still rolling, he'll be a memory.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
You want to be an actor.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
This person has to think that there are cameras on
him currently and you're being filmed.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
It's your turn the assailant on this sailing Okay, okay, okay,
I'm like the sweatshirt. Guys can give it to me.
Give me your sweatshirt.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
I don't remember this.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Your cell phone, give me your cell phone.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Stop.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
I'm going to hurt you getting I'm getting to the character.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
As soon as I say line, that's he's gonna be like,
why is she yelling?
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Line?
Speaker 1 (42:29):
And then I'll be like.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Are we roll? Are we filming?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
We're guys, are we still filming? I'm gonna act like
I'm talking over them.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Okay, let's do it again.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Take to it.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
I'm going to be the assailant and then I'm gonna
say what I'm thinking out loud.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, I'm walking.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Give me your money right now? Are we still?
Speaker 1 (42:52):
I don't remember this?
Speaker 2 (42:53):
What's the passing? Right now?
Speaker 1 (42:56):
This isn't in the script?
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Guys, sky are we still?
Speaker 2 (43:00):
For? What is she speaking?
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Owling?
Speaker 2 (43:03):
What on earth could she be saying? This is really
confusing me?
Speaker 3 (43:07):
For what are they this shit?
Speaker 1 (43:09):
This is my audition for Shakespeare in the Park, That's
what he'll be thinking, and that he'll give me time
to get away.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
All right. I think we've run it enough times. I
think we got I think we got what we need
in the prepared all right. But he, I mean, that
was really really awful and he was he was swearing
at them, and it did seem real. I felt really
bad for them. I didn't like it. I thought it
was taken too far and as far as like an
if we're taking away ads from this show, I'm going
(43:38):
to the music school, I'm not going to this self
defense place.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Yeah, And then can you imagine being Tama like having
just had that, like just you've just experienced that, and
I would have reacted similar to Tamara I would have
been fucking.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
At the window. Yes, yes, easily, I won't be hanging
out with you anymore.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
And then you.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Walk in to Gretchen's fucking dumb ass.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Laughing, laughing. That just goes to show I would have.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
As the kids say, chosen violence. I would not have
been able to keep it together at that I would have.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Did you see all the other housewives' faces. They were
really stunned and like worried. It wasn't ha ha ha.
You know, she was like freaking Ashton Kutcher over there
having a blast in her camouflage, Laura Krap.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
This is what I wanted the after show for because
I wanted to know, like, why did they then after
that went so fucking crazy with Tamara? Why did they
then do this to Shannon who literally probably could have
had a heart attack.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Oh geez, Emily.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
I mean, like only because she's currently going through a
very insane situation with stalking, yes, and they're worried about her.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
Help shean, and you better get it together because next
week we're gonna get this sheet scared out of us.
And I want to get you your houdies in cheap.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
And this isn't like an Easter Bunny sitting in the backseat.
This isn't you know, like we've had like that.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Might even worse, that might be worse. Actually make a
good point, oh boy. Well AnyWho, so we're at UDT
and and now we got Emily just shooting her mouth
off at Tamra, telling her what Gretchen said about the
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song and about what she said about the affair, the
alleged affair, and so now Tamra's getting revved up, and
she's like past twelve years, past twelve years, past twelve years.
And then we go and they do the shooting thing
and Tamra's an unbelievable shot.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Yeah, yeah, that's impressive.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah. And then they go and they have lunch.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
It's a really great corn. This corn is great. Thanks.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
I wonder if we should have this at our what
do you call it? An event where people join up.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
There's like there's like I think there's gonna be like
food at some point at this I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
I don't want to figure that out, but we should
have this there. She's like anything like the caterer for
for this fight club. You know, Tamra goes around the
table like a freaking professional. You know what I mean,
so the angles can be correct. So she's not looking
(46:27):
around Emily, and she's like, suh, I heard what went down.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
She's a sharp shooter looking around.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
She's a camera shooters. Yeah, that's right for those camera shooters.
There you go. Now we're now we're getting into it.
And this is where it's like Gretchen is immediately like
and spoke and then Emily, you know that flashback in
my head. Emily says, in that car, when did Tamar
go to a studio? You know? And Gretchen's like, when
(46:57):
she banged allegedly this sky right, and so she says it,
you know, she says that exact thing when she banged.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Yes, she says.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Things, and then she says that she didn't say that immediately.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Like I get that.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Katie doesn't quite get how this works. But Gretchen, you
know how this shit works. Like they're gonna pull every
clip she does.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
I can't write.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
I don't understand her brain.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
I know, but this escalation was wild because you know
I do too. I completely understood what happened here. And
when Gretchen was like, I'm really mad I said anything,
and I mean, oh gosh, I've kept my mouth shut forever,
and Tarmra with her like you kept your mouth shut,
(47:47):
and and Gretchen and be like all the shit that
I know about you? Fuck yeah, Tarma's like, what do
you know about me? Bitch? You don't want me to talk? Well,
you aren't. You are talking? What are you talking about?
You're talking? And furthermore, Slade is really talking. You know,
you guys are talking.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Jin is saying everything that she is setting so much
shit up this season and then fully denying it, like
she is gaslighting the entire season and it is driving
me fucking crazy.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Yeah, and so.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
I'm as mad as Tama.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Usually I always think Tamra nine times out of ten overreacts.
In this case, I'm like, twelve years of this shit,
I would be losing my mind.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
And let's also not let's give Tamra her dues when
it comes to stirring shit up and being a gaslighter
and saying something and bringing you know, so like she
is not innocent at all on this show or in
this situation. And however, when we're compartmentalizing and we're just
(48:54):
talking about this right now, Emily had a good point,
or maybe it was Gina at the AEA. It was
Gina who said, like, well, she didn't go you know,
and talk about you. She did bring this up. Obviously,
this is a Housewives show. We need people to talk
about each other. However, it's you know, I am not
here for the like nineteen sixty drama. Okay, this happened.
(49:19):
All this stuff that Gretchen is bringing to the surface
is from the time when they were originally on and
I know that they have to rehash what's happened in
the past, but they kind of already did so to
bring up consistently now things that have happened in the
past over and over again, we're not living in what
could be the now of Housewives. It's feeling antiquated, and
(49:43):
it's feeling annoying and I am not here for it.
And then we get into this lawsuit because Gretchen says,
the person that you tried to get into a lie
with I sued and one and then we've got then
Tamer going off about oh, the guy that you were effing,
And then she said it was like there was did
you hear her say this? There was a vibrator up
your vagina all over the internet? I was like, yeah,
(50:07):
go back fifteen seconds, wouldn't I say, you're can I
get back another fifteen Can I get that little arrow?
Because I don't know what she is talking about? But
we are going back to the dark ages of I
don't know what, and I don't need to be there.
I don't out like it here.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Tamar didn't start any of this with Gretchen at this round.
There's this round argue. I mean, like this season really,
because I do feel like Gretchen keeps bringing it up,
and I get that Gretchen might have some things to
get off her chest, but they keep having these let's
start from here moments. Tamra even gave Gretchen that the
(50:46):
benefit of the doubt on Slade not getting work because
of Tamra, which.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
We all were like, what that's on Slade.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
But Tamra was willing to meet Gretchen at a lot
of stops on the way, and Gretchen keeps changing the
truth or her truth.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Well, and the thing that Tamra said about, you know,
Slade's son is a really unforgivable thing, and I think.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
That's kind of recent, right, well.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Yeah, it's within the last four years. Yeah, So that
is why I think they're digging so hard at her.
So if that's the case, you know, and they want
to take her down, they're doing a great job at
presenting and driving her crazy like they're doing a great
job at that. If that's their intention, you know, obviously
their intention of coming on this show. And I say
(51:37):
they because Slade's just as much as part a part
of this as Gretchen at this point, if their intention
of coming on this show was to just take down Tamra,
well then that's what it is. And if this thing
about what she said about his son is really truly unforgivable,
you're really just you're just coming in there to cause
(52:02):
pain and do evil instead of moving on with your life.
And because I don't really think that Tamra has really
apologized for that to Gretchen, I don't think she's gotten
there yet this season. I think she apologized for the
Slade and not getting a job and all that stuff,
but the Sun stuff, I don't think she has because
(52:24):
they haven't gotten there because Gretchen keeps bringing up all
the other stuff so they can't get to the next step.
But I've been waiting for Tamra to really lay prostrate
and say what I did was beyond what I even
felt capable. I should have even done that. I'm I'm
surprised I was capable of being so cruel because it
really was bad. So I don't know, Gretchen is not
(52:50):
allowing any steps forward because she's just slamming her to
the ground, that's all.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Yeah, Well I am at the gym. I was team
Tamera all the way, and I keep not being team
Gretchen because I just I keep like watching her set
shit up that I'm like.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
We all hear this, Gretchen.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
You are miked and on film, like we all are
watching you say shit and then fully lie about it. Right.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
Well, and you know, Katie just left and the same
thing was kind of happening there, even though that has
a lot of gray areas at this point because there
are other people involved, but it's very but she Gretchen
is involved with that specifically.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Yeah, and also like I think it's also the Gretchen
being like, WHOA what me? Me? That makes me nuts too.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Well, it makes sammar nuts. When she was standing behind
her leaning against the wall and Gretchen was doing her
shooting that small ass look on that shit eating grin
was brilliant. It was cinematic. Honestly, I have to say
these two front of me is wow geez.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Also, like Gretchen said in her interview, Emily's as much
to blame for this as I am.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
I'm like Emily, oh what.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Oh. By the way, I did find that Emily has
talked out of both sides of her mouth. So at
the slumber party she was like, I would never, you know,
want to say anything to Tamar because what's she gonna do.
She's gonna come back and like, let me have it
later on, So I would never trust her. So she's
saying that, and then she's going and telling Tamra what
(54:35):
Gretchen said. Now, there's a lot two different things. I
do agree. I do agree. I do agree. However, there
is something about that. I don't think that like I
think Emily would probably you know, say it again with
her full chest at the reunion too Tamra's face. So
I don't really have a problem with it. Oh she does, Okay, Well,
I don't have a total problem with that, but it
(54:56):
gives the idea to Gretchen. Gretchen has the ide like, oh,
Emily doesn't trust her, So this is an ally of mine,
when really she's not. Emily is her own person, and
she will go and say shit to you, and she
will also go and say shit to Tamra. Can sometimes
be accepted as being, you know, a little two faced,
(55:21):
but well.
Speaker 1 (55:22):
But then like why didn't we see or maybe she
said it but we didn't see it, Like why didn't
she say Emily in Heather, because in my mind, Emily
is speaking about Heather, speaking to Tamar's volatility and not knowing,
not trusting a situation with Tamra because she doesn't know
when she's going to explode, and Heather saying like it
(55:43):
triggers her from how she was raised. And so to me,
like that goes hand in hand with what Emily said,
doesn't go hand in hand with what Gretchen did, which
is kind of Emily's kind of like in a way
projecting or like what what she's saying is exactly what
Gretchen did to Tamara, which is saving something for years
(56:04):
and years, never knowing when it's going to come out,
and then and then like saying it, yeah, so yeah,
that's what she's doing.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
It is it is, Well, I was not expecting the
vibe writer up the vagina she's on the internet. I
don't know what that's about. But allegedly this lawsuit is
like Gretchen was with that guy who ended up dying, right,
and so allegedly she had an affair, and so then
(56:39):
I guess Tamra found out about this, and then this
guy and she and this guy, I don't know how
they must have put it out into the world. Then
Gretchen sued this guy who she allegedly had an affair
with for defamation and she won. So that's what they're
alluding to. And I'm sure I had the details wrong,
but that's the genial.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Vibe from just watching the show and reading any of it,
was that Gretchen was with a dude and it went
south and he went nuts and he started like stalking
her and going way over the line. So I don't
doubt there's pictures of them together, and I don't doubt
that maybe they had a nice time at one point,
but it sounds like then he.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
Snapped, so then he was releasing pictures. That makes more sense. Yeah,
oh my god, that's so bad.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
That's the vibe I got, And that's when I was
a little like Tamra, I'm with you, But like, just
because there's pictures of them together at one point doesn't
mean that he didn't go x's go nuts. I mean,
and especially in a situation where it was like an affair,
so he already had like power over her in terms
(57:45):
of like I can ruin your relationship whatever.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
And I think that Gretchen is denying this affair even
ever happened, which is why Tamra's like, that's not you know,
you were with him, and now you're going to assume
him you actually had an affair that you're denying allegedly.
That's what I think she's trying to get her on
as well. Okay, okay, was that bass Lake? Wasn't that
the maybe it's the bass Lake thing, that's the guy?
Speaker 1 (58:09):
I think you're right, Yeah, no, you're right. They did
say something about that, right, They did say there was
some elute Ye.
Speaker 3 (58:16):
Also.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
I do want to mention that it is out there.
I saw on social media that allegedly Gretchen and Slade
have apparently in the past brought up Tamera and this
song and this affair with this guy and this recording.
They brought it up before and allegedly, boy, I've said
(58:37):
it a lot. This this episode.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
Blanket alleged for the rest of the episode.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
Yeah, that it was brought up maybe on that season,
that from one of the earlier seasons and it was
cut out. So so that is interesting if that's true.
And then now they're bringing it back up again. Is
so snoozy and it's really it's lazy work, you know.
Speaker 1 (59:01):
Yeah, I would think if they were told not to
bring it up. I would think that then they must
have been told to bring it up. If they're coming
back on they might have been like, and we want
you no holds bart, like you can bring up I
know in the past we said don't bring up that,
but like bring it up. So I don't know how
much of that is them organically or how much of
(59:21):
them is like can we Yeah, okay, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
Like I don't know, you just never know.
Speaker 1 (59:29):
I don't want to give Slade one benefit of the
doubt though that's my.
Speaker 2 (59:32):
Own bias, Okay, I don't either, fair enough. All right,
Well that's that's that episode. You guys, Thanks for so
much for listening, and go ahead and make sure you
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
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It's Real Housewives of Orange County Day. What an episode.
We're gonna be talking about it momentarily, and hope all
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Emily will be there, Deanna's going to be there for
(01:16):
two nights. You guys. It's going to be such a blast.
Who's going to Bravocon. Whats up? Emily is joining us? Hi, Emily,
how are you help?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Thank you, Lisa, Thank you Amy. I'm doing well on
the heels of the really great OHC episode.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I'm hearing sarcasm in your voice.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
No, no, I say really great because I didn't have
high hopes when we had that four hour scene with
Tamar and Sophia at the music institute.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, there were a lot you know what. I think
that they needed some time to group after the insanity
that has happened over the last like six episodes.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I agree, I agree. I just thought that was a
long one. Like I thought the Gen and Eavy scene
was great. I know, we'll get to.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It, but I just was like, we're at it, We're
at it, We're at.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
A music institute scene. I was just like, why, I
thought you're supposed to sign up?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Is this a documentary?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I know, is this a commercial?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I was looking for like the QR code in the corner.
I've got my phone out, I'm ready to scan, and
I'm like, can we get merchandise? Can we buy records
from here?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Like?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
And then to go into that one, you know, drum
room and Tarama said.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
This is the sucker.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Oh that's it's amazing. This is John Johnson. Yeah, it's
so great. And it's like that room just sold her on.
The whole school was just that one room with the
drum kit. She was like, let's do the Sufia. He's like, whoa,
there are more. I'm like, I freaking hope. So we're
just getting drums today. But yeah, I mean obviously.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Like three different rooms. I mean, we saw the building,
we did a walk through, we went.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I loved being on Hollywood Boulevard. It's not every day
you get these housewives walking down Hollywood Boulevard because it
is a you know what I mean. If you've been here,
you understand, and it's so much better than it used
to be. But it's not a walk in the park
Hyde Park. If you will, you know, it's like it's
pretty dirty. It's really you know.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
What's your pretty woman on the on the fire escape?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I did enjoy that. I've seen
that music institute many times. I'm sure you've seen it.
It is a highly regarded music institute. Certainly it is.
And you always see students around that area. You always
know them. You're like oh, you know these are the
music students because you see them and they're all like,
you know, a music student when you see them. Sure,
(04:03):
it's like, so it's a bunch of Sophias, I mean
very you know, eccentric and like cool and hip and
it's it's cute. But I'm excited for her. I think
it's great and uh but yes, it was a very
long scene.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
So yeah, well anyway, clearly she's getting in there for
free thanks to that scene.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Oh I think about that right, good point.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, They're like, if you can get us twenty minutes
of airtime, you will give you free tuition. And Tamra's like, okay,
you got it.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
This junk cut, this is the missing drump cut. I
can smash these fucking drums. Fucking Gretchen's make me sup
Pats right now. I'm gonna smash these drums. Get on
my anger out.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
What do you know about me? Bitch?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I turned into like VICKI when I yell yeah, that
was it's great. And you know, I think they're trying
to show a little more of a softer aside from
Tamar at this point, because yeah, I mean it starts
with soft and ends with hard. We know she's a mom.
I mean it's heavy on the storyline with her and
her daughter. We typically haven't seen that, you know, we
(05:10):
haven't seen her kids the entire time she's got in
Orange County, except to hold it up for.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
It with that scene. They made up for the time
over ten years. So I mean, because we just got
a blip of Emily and her kid, we got a
blip of you know, like, yeah, I'm just kind of
her daughter, Annabelle. I love annabel So I maybe I
want more annabel Yeah, that Emily's daughter. Yeah, yeah, she's
(05:35):
like growing up before our eyes.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And by by annabel you mean that the haunted doll, not.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
How I'm dare you? I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Emily says a haunted doll as a child. Oh, it
was so good if they did like a Halloween episode
and just made like for real never mind, Okay, I
digress in the real household of Halloween and it's like
just seriously haunted, just a bunch of ghosts. We've talked
about this before, anyway, I digress.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I'm on board. I'm on board, and I'm spelling it
bo r ed.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
So you're going back to that music scene I got you,
I got you. So, yeah, we had that scene. We
had the scene with Jen and Everly, and before that
we had Jen and Ryan talking about their wedding. Those yeo,
a real piece of work. Those two talking about a
wedding is just it's fun to watch, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Well it's interesting too because if they're talking September and
they want to get this done in September, that's not
when Housewives of OC film. And so I'm like, you
guys are talking about this and it's not going to
be on a season of OC. That's crazy, Like you
guys need this to be a Jen's storyline for a season.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Like wow, that's a really good point. I mean, if
they're going to be working around Dawson's schedule, they're not
going to be able to maybe line it up with
the shooting schedule.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Because I think they used to film in the fall,
but they don't now right, Well know, yeah, so I don't. Yeah,
it'll be interesting to see if what actually gets moved
around there.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Well, you know, sometimes the production companies don't want to
see the weddings, they don't want to do it. They
you know, we learned from Sheena's book, which we did
a whole Bravo book Club review on.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
What did you did you see that clip from Watch
What Happens Last Night? With Tamra? Yes, please tell the
audience Okay the darling. So Tamra and oh my god,
I'm spacing Adriana Adriana were on and Andy basically is like,
who do you not want to run into at Bravo
kan and without a blink, Tamras says Shena, And without
(08:08):
a blink, Adriana co signs it. And because Tamras says,
Sena created all this shit with Gretchen this season, and
Adriana says something about the captain.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, but I've never seen a stronger endorsement than for
me wanting to see Sheena as a housewife, because I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Like, everybody's saying, yeah, if she kicked this off, good
for you. Wow, that's impressive. Yeah, well, I mean it is,
You're You're actually right, I mean, wow, header over to
Orange County. Where does she live now? I don't even
remember in the valley. Oh right, Oh, she'll go right
(08:53):
to Orange County.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Oh what's that? Wait?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
What's that noise? I hear? Oh that's Brock packing up. Yep,
that is Brock running. Yeah, he's running to Orange County.
He actually he forgot Sena and the baby. Yeah, he's
turning around. Hold on wait, yes, he got him. He's
running there. Sheena's like, why aren't we taking the car.
He's like, we have no time. I can hear it
all happening. Yep, that thirstiest guy. Okay, so they'll go
(09:17):
down there, they'll be on it and yeah, everybody's loving it.
And Adriana jumping on with the captain's captain cutie.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
It was very confusing, but the point being, like Tamra
accidentally probably just very much confirmed Sheena's a housewife by
throwing her under the bus, right, poor poor Tamra. Yeah,
she makes her nightmares come true.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Well, you know that's called manifesting. You mean Tamera Festing,
Tamera Festing, Welcome to tamafest This is where manifest darkness. Yeah.
So Jen and Ryan talking about their wedding and she's like,
so what do we need? Like flowers? Music? I'm like,
(10:10):
what are you doing to me? This looks like a
pitch to Bravo too. Can you please help us produce
and pay for some of this wedding?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, because if they're like, we're going to do it
in September, it's kind of like, well, we're going to
do our wedding. We're going to do it here unless
you offer us to do it on the show. Because
I think that works with Bravo or production where you
if you have an event and it's a it's a
pretty big one. You know, I'm not talking about like
a kid's birthday, a life event, and I'm talking funerals.
(10:44):
You know, they love a funeral.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Even if it's fake, like Shannon's.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Right, Yes, they're like Shannon, you're going to be laying
down under a like a styrofoam created tombstone. Okay, tell
us when this is we will be there. We will
work it into our production budget. It's not going to
be when we're filming. It doesn't matter. We'll be there.
So yeah, I think that like if you have a
(11:12):
life event and you don't and you are thirsty enough
that you want to get it on the TV show,
so you're working it, You're convincing everyone to put it
during filming. You're doing it everything yourself. You're not going
to have help from them. They're just going to be
like we may or may not show up. We don't
know that we hold the cards and they'll probably show up.
(11:33):
But if you are like, oh, we're going to do
it off season, then they might negotiate depending on what's
going on with and who it is, you know. Like
at this point, I honestly don't know if Brabo would
want to be there with Ryan on the beach and
Jen in a bikini.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I feel like maybe Bravo is hanging on with Jen
so that they can see what actually go down with
Ryan when all the ship goes down, if it allegedly does,
and that's going to probably be you know, in the
next year or so, maybe allegedly, so I could see
them being like, we need a strong storyline for Jen
(12:16):
and this could be it. But to your point, I agree.
I think like you have to act like you don't want.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Bravos, right, you gotta yeah, you gotta play it cool.
I mean, so, what do we need food or like imvitation?
What do they call them in the.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I think so it's like it's like an inn. I'm
it's like, because we have to act as people, we
have to ask people to be there, right, they have
to know that it's happening.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
You don't know that.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Like do we put on our social medias or.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I think these go on paper and there is a
name for it, Ryan, I swear there is a name.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I just can't We'll find out. I will find out, honey,
I will find out. Just maybe we'll send out bikini
and just like write the day down a bikini and.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Prob was like snapping their pencil.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Fine, is an imitation.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
We will do this.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
We can't take another sign, you can take another. Meanwhile, Everly,
who's just a lovely, lovely gal. And and when Chen
was like explaining to her during the facial, She's like,
let me tell you why it's really important to me
to get married in a white bikini on the beach
(13:32):
to a man who is allegedly allegedly in a lot
of trouble, allegedly allegedly who has questionable wardrobe, allegedly. Let
me explain, your father was a father and we were parents,
(13:55):
and he is a liability and great for TV. And
I look freaking fantastic in a bikini. I really hope
you can see this for me, honey.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
That poor girl could not not cry every time that
conversation it happened in the interview. It happened when she's
getting the facial and Jen set that thing up too,
and she's like, you're my best friend and I want
you by my side. Cut to forty seconds later, Ryan
is my best friend and I want to marry.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
When they were in the confessional and sweet Everly is,
you know, dabbing away her tears yet again, and then
Jen with that very stoic very you know, she put
her hand on her knee and was like, we're going
to get through this. You know, we've been through wars.
(14:54):
You know, this country has seen a lot. That was
like the face she gave it was like we you know,
we just celebrated nine to eleven, and we're going to
get through it. You know, like that's what that was
the expression, ye, the posture that she had, and you know,
and really at the end of the day, she's fighting
for her independence and her happiness. And so the question
(15:18):
is are we do we sign off on this once
we've seen her daughter now cry several times like it is.
It's hard to watch because I do understand, you get
a divorce. You know, she's married to this guy for
such a long time. Her whole life has been you know,
(15:39):
she hasn't been doing really what she's wanted to do.
She's made that very clear. Not to say that she
doesn't love her kids obviously, but like she wants to
have a different life now, and so you know, should
we give her that allowance without judging her? You know?
And that's what I'm struggling. I'm not Struggling'm one hundred
(15:59):
percent judging her. Let's get that.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
He's going to say, no, I'm going to judge.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, we're going to judge. But where do we land
on the judgment? And when you see this beautiful young
lady who is having such a hard time around it, well,
I mean, is that just inevitable? No matter what, is
she going to have to cry her tears based on
them being a part regardless of her mother or father
getting remarried or being with another person. I mean, how
(16:23):
does that all shake out? Where do we stand?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I don't know. I mean it's like it's like every
divorce has its own challenges that creep up and you
don't even realize it was a challenge. So I think
you just have to get through it. And Jen's going
to marry Ryan. It doesn't matter no matter what. Bi
couldn't stop. It isn't going to stop.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
It also, well.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Allegedly, I mean allegedly. I mean, we do have confirmation that.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
The FBI did not storm.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
They were They had a conversation, right he confirmed that right.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Now they've stormed in. They had helicopter as the flat
team came down like fuss Spider Man. There was Spider
Man's like just fucking like busting the windows. Oliver Dunson rants.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Allegedly, So they're gonna get married, and I feel bad
because there's just watching your kid get upset like that
must be like, yeah, be horrible, but I think it's
gonna be what it's going to be. It would be
because the only context we have as viewers is what
we've been told. And if that's what it is, that
(17:34):
she's just sad because of the divorce still and it's
like a death, then yeah, you kind of got to
get through it.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Just that's growing and right right, right right, and you
know you're on camera and that is going to really
push you into your feelings. It's an intense situation. Not
to say that those aren't real feelings, but well, if
that was rough to see, I'm glad we saw it.
I mean it really is, I think very relatable for
(18:01):
a lot of single parents who who are on the
edge of having a new relationship that maybe you know
in that camp. And yeah, I really do like her
a lot, and I like their relationship.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I do too.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
And it's like, even if you do everything perfect and
you're divorce, this is still going to happen. You're still
going to have some sad times.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
It's just just what it is.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Like it's Ryan though.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
That's what viewers were like, but this is for Ryan.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
And maybe that's what she's crying about.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
But yeah, maybe, but.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
But her her father is also in a relationship, you know,
so I'm sure it's a little bit of both. Like
if he was going to be getting married, the same
thing would happen. And it's so it's so hard, you know. Yeah, yeah,
any who, Okay, what what I do? What I say?
(19:05):
What I do?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Well, anyway, divorce, who gives a.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Shit, that's their problem, not mine? All right, let's go,
let's go to someone else's problem. Gretchen Slaight is her problem,
not mine? Thank good.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Oh, we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Skip right over Eddie and that fucking plate of watermelon.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
No, we're gonna talk Slat and Gretchen and Tamar and Eddie.
That's the order that I have.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Don't because I got a production note.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
What is your note on, Eddie. Let's let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
It's more for producers, guys.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Oh, don't put a white disc with red squares in
front of the camera and expect us not to realize
you're cutting in and out and editing things together. That
plate she brought out a plate of full watermelon. Next scene,
there is one piece left. Next scene, there's ten red.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Squares on that plate.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Next scene there's three. Oh my gosh, the continuity was
all messed up. I didn't even notice.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I kept looking at it right, white bright, I'm like,
just move it out of the shot.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I mean right when you got and there were slices, right,
there were slices obviously, Yes, No, he's just you were
counting down the bites.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
They were squares with toothpicks, and I'm like, oh, what
are you doing? Just push it out of the shot.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Oh that's where he was like, oh wow, you're really
Martha Stewart. Yes, yeah, I had these tips from bonds.
Oh my god, took him on the box, shoved him
in his fucking squats like our Cutain's Beth.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
So it's just me.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I just was like, what I want to believe that.
I want to be on board, but you can't do
this to me.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
You can't do.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
This, No, you can't. I think there's a lot of
people who feel that way, Emila, I did. Eddie's like,
come to Jesus about Shannon's not so bad anymore. Once
Gretchen's in the picture, He's like, Gretchen is just evil,
She's just she's the devil's child spawn, and Shannon just
(21:17):
she's just a good time. It was just she's just
a mess. I mean, she's harmless. I just thought that
was funny cut to Like in my brain, I just
see Shannon just like and then you just see all
the little fuzz hairs coming off the top.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
They grow as she's ye, that's actually hair growing.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
It's like her version of a chia pet. It's not
yeah oh man. Yeah. So that was fun. That was
fun to see Eddie wrap his head around Gretchen and
Shannon and comparing the two. I was like, Wow, there
is hope for Shannon and Eddie to be friends again.
All we needed was Gretchen to come in just the
(22:01):
flashback of Slade during that horrific stand up when he
called Vicky miss Piggy and then Tarma the Michelin man,
I don't remember that. I think we saw.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
It earlier this season, and I don't remember if it
was like on the extended Peacock version or whatever, but
or in an after show. By the way, there wasn't
an after show. I don't think this episode.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Well, because there wasn't much. I mean, the after show
would have been just talking about it would have been
the music School guide, just sitting there in one chair.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I actually thought that there should be an after show
because I wanted to know more about like the setup
for Gretchen and well, we'll get there. But like I guess,
I was surprised. It's like, once you commit to the
after show, had the fucking after show. But anyway, damn yeah,
I said it, and I learned that at.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
The Music Institute.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Say it, Shay and forget it, play drums. Regret it.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Anyway, Yeah, what was I what were you saying?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I was? I was saying that Slade called Tamra a
Michelin me. Yeah, and you know, just getting a refresher
of that and the bashing a male, bashing a woman
and body shaming her not once but twice in public
on television. And I know that people can be forgiven
(23:34):
for things that they've done in the past and stuff,
but he's clearly the same person and he would do
that again today if he had the chance, certainly by
the way he's acting. And it's just really really gross.
When Slade and Gretchen are talking, you know, Gretchen is like,
I'm so mad at you for bringing up Tamra's singing.
You know, I don't know what to believe. I mean,
(23:55):
not singing, I mean I mean the the the recording
about her in the background and all that stuff. So
I am not sure if Gretchen is genuinely pissed about
him bringing that part up. I am actually kind of
curious if she's like, why did you do that? You know,
(24:16):
I was just calling about the recording she brought. She
brought up the singing part and that she banged this guy,
but she didn't bring up the part about that there's
a recording that exists. He brought that up. I guess
it really doesn't matter. It's all the same bashing anyway.
She's the one who brought up the f the affair.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, And if I'm slate and I'm you are, Gretchen.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
You're one hundred percent slate.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
All we've been doing is talking about Tamra for the
last ten years.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Twelve twelve years. Dun't get it, fucking just says twelve
yards fucking twelve years, twelve fucking years.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
When was the no hate campaign Tamura? I forget is
that twelve ten years ago, twelve yards twelve we stopped
here as a nation because.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
We haven't we have not what spoiler alert spoiler alert
That campaign did not work, and it was because of
Tamra's bad song. Anyway, Yes, so she's been doing it
for twelve years and she brought it up.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
If Gretchen is calling me with Emily and Heather and
saying about Tamar in the studio, if I'm slate, I'm
thinking they're talking about her banging the guy allegedly from
ninety eight degrees. I guess I'm kind of jumping to
conclusion or I'm like, oh, this is my cue to talk.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
About right, this is her setting me up to bring
this up. Okay, yeah, I accept that. I mean completely, Well.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
That said, Gretchen, you fucking you can't put this all
on slate. You've talked about this an hour before that
phone call in the car.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I misspoke. I misspoke, budget, I must.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
You said banged and then you stood on it.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I miss Now, I didn't say that if.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I did it like Beverly Hills, or I said.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Something that I shouldn't have something I said something that
I shouldn't have, and I I miss stuck. Anyway, Okay,
now all that they're talking, I don't know if you noticed,
(26:32):
but when they would throw to her confessional during that
scene that was introduced where that bouffont behind her headband
is bigger, it's gotten bigger from the last time. So
you know how these housewives. These housewives have to go
back into the studio to do their confessionals again. That's
(26:56):
why they have to recreate that look. That's why they're
told not to change their hair. Don't worry, Sophia is allowed.
I liked her little short, dark hair, by the way,
her yes music school look. When we went back to Gretchen,
her hair in the bufont behind it was it was
larger than it normally is. Then it was like whoa.
It was a genuine jump scare you noticed the watermelon
(27:18):
and I noticed that hair I actually jump back. Now
I'm gonna show.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
You because it's very clean signs.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
This is if you're watching. Okay, here's the first shot. Okay,
this is when she went into the studio, the studio
the first time. Okay. Now here's when she went into
the studio the second time. Oh, it's bigger. Okay, see,
I got an idea. I've got a crazy idea.
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Speaker 2 (27:49):
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you're right here, Okay, right, we're right.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
We had a street going. We gotta we will break
our non posting streak.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Do not follow Drama dar show on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
We're no longer even going to promote it. I'm not
even We've never got the website right, and that's.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Might might, I don't know. Well, let's think about that, darlins.
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housewives that didn't have their phrases right in this episode?
We had Shannon and we had Gina, who couldn't put
together there right?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Gina, Gina?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
What is it? Gina? Is it?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Is it a mouse in a mole?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Up?
Speaker 4 (33:36):
It's a moley? Sheena he tap, it's a it's a
hole in a mole, eats a blanky, eats an.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Egg in a hole?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Almost there?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
What is it a mountain? Am Oh, it's Tapy amazing.
And then it was Shannon also that was like, I
know Tamar too well, and I'm not gonna fall. I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna fall. It's full fool her
twice fool me? I mean, is it fool me what
(34:16):
full full house twice full fully, fill it up twice,
fill it up, pour it out once once, bitten twice shy.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Oh what snake.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
She loves her rocket. Yeah, I gotta love it, gotta
love it. Let's let's head on over to Grutton. Gretchen's
self defense at United Defense jactical really based training.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Oh my god, reality Yeah, yeah, just for reality shows.
We just are training how to be defensive in reality
these shows. That was fucking terrifying.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
That was so messed up. I did not talking about.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Gretchen's pony tail.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Sorry, what were you talking about.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
The same thing? Actually, when she walked in, I was like,
what in the Erica Jane gone wrong?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I mean, Tamra was too kind saying Amazon tomb Raider
because that was a sheen tomb rader. I mean, it's
not even I did not understand what was happening.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
All that said. What a body? I mean, somebody who
says they don't exercise remember when they were? I don't
remember what they were doing. She was like, I haven't
exercise something in something years. How How like.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I don't understand science?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Sometimes I don't either, I I don't get it. I
I'm actually very confused, and I feel hurt. I feel hurt,
I know, I know, and betrayed.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yeah, I think the other part of it is that
I don't enjoy Gretchen so well. Yeah, I mean I'm mad. Also, yeah,
I would rather somebody else get that metabolism like you
were me or like anybody else besides Gretches.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Life isn't fair, and that's what it comes down to.
And obviously you guys, you know, were not negating the
fact that there may be some artificial opportunities at play here.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
But she's got like muscle, it seemed in that suit anyway,
she she like looked like cinched, like she had like
some but you know, who knows. Yeah, to your point,
who knows what's going on. I just am like, God,
bless great for you, Gretchen, Great for.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
You, I mean damn oh Okay. Also, no one else
was in anything, which is always just awkward that you're
the only one showing up in a costume.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Said, of course you'll be in a costume. I head
kidding in an interview. But you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
When they recorded it, but like I'm like, I wonder,
I don't remember that being Gretchen's thing. To me, that's
a Shannon thing.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Oh it is, yeah, but yeah, and Shannon's probably pissed
because of it. Were we doing tomb Rader? No one
told me about tom Rader. I I love tombs. I
was in front of a grave site. I had the
rip here, like Shannon Badoor, I could have brought it.
I am a tom Rader, David. It's in cold storage
(37:43):
to my other house.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Cold storage.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Tomb raider. Shannon Door wears that like one of those
you know, sandwich boards, like there's a tomb in the
front and Tom in the back. I stole it. I'm
raiding tombs.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Call me next, Angelina Jolie.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
I'm gonna rad David's tomb right now. I thought they
were getting divorced al right, So yeah, wow, that was wild. Okay,
So what was really messed up is that prank? Now, Emily,
I know you love a good prank.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
It's not a fucking prank.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Thank you. I'm glad that you are not on board
with the uh, you know, your difference tactical terms.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
She just had twenty minutes of clips of everybody talking
about how they've all been through something like this. We
don't need a real life example for these gals. I
was like, are you kidding me right now? Especially, I
had no idea about Shannon currently being stalked that she
(38:59):
they cut to that clip of her this season saying that,
and I'm like, oh, maybe that's why Shannon's been a
little off this season, if she's currently having a stalker situation. Right,
I was like, what, And you're gonna send this guy
out there to fuck with them?
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Are you crazy?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
It was really something that we've never seen before, and
he was throwing out the F bombs. He was in
character and it was terrifying, like Gina jumping over to
Tamra and then.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
You know, Tamar jumped over to Gina, which was great
because Tamra's got all the fire in her and you
see like even in that moment, she's.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Like what and didn't she say?
Speaker 4 (39:42):
She's like she was pushing me towards the ceiling or
whatever the ass ciliate was it our window?
Speaker 2 (39:53):
That was wild? And then and then Shannon, which she
says in her confessional because she was like, do you
have any money? And she was like, I know, I
don't have money. I only have travelers checks. And then
she was like no, who carries cash, like she was
actually mad. She was like giving it back.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
To carries cash.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
I just carry loose pieces of spiral notebook paper with
kN Chance's debts.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I only have seats and decisives. Do you want doses?
And then the fact that she really did give it
back to him, and then in her confessional she was
like I was functioning frozen.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Which she said, this is for the show, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, she caught it, But at first I don't think
that she you know, I think for a second she
didn't know.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Well, I learned something really fucking important, and I am
not doing a bit. If I'm ever attacked, I'm going
to say, oh my gosh, is this part of the show, guys?
Is this part of the show? Keep rolling? And see
if I can just buy myself a mind or two
to get away and be like keep rolling. And so
they think that that I'm being filmed.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Oh I like that. I gotta remember that that's a
really good.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Brain or whatever.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
But like I was like, that's actually really a.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Good game and really specific. So so let's call it out,
like it'll be like this, Okay, how about you be
the assailant and then I'll be me in this situation. Okay, hey, okay.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Hey, you got squiral paper in that bag. Okay, let
me have that bag. No, let me have your suitcase
of pans.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Oh my gosh, is this for ridiculousness? I freaking love
this show ridiculousness. You got me see?
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Then you can be like Bill Roman a fucking joke.
If you are an actor and you're like, guys, are
we still rolling, he'll be a memory.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
You want to be an actor.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
This person has to think that there are cameras on
him currently and you're being filmed.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
It's your turn the assailant on this sailing Okay, okay, okay,
I'm like the sweatshirt. Guys can give it to me.
Give me your sweatshirt.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
I don't remember this.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Your cell phone, give me your cell phone.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Stop.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
I'm going to hurt you getting I'm getting to the character.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
As soon as I say line, that's he's gonna be like,
why is she yelling?
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Line?
Speaker 1 (42:29):
And then I'll be like.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Are we roll? Are we filming?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
We're guys, are we still filming? I'm gonna act like
I'm talking over them.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Okay, let's do it again.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Take to it.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
I'm going to be the assailant and then I'm gonna
say what I'm thinking out loud.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, I'm walking.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Give me your money right now? Are we still?
Speaker 1 (42:52):
I don't remember this?
Speaker 2 (42:53):
What's the passing? Right now?
Speaker 1 (42:56):
This isn't in the script?
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Guys, sky are we still?
Speaker 2 (43:00):
For? What is she speaking?
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Owling?
Speaker 2 (43:03):
What on earth could she be saying? This is really
confusing me?
Speaker 3 (43:07):
For what are they this shit?
Speaker 1 (43:09):
This is my audition for Shakespeare in the Park, That's
what he'll be thinking, and that he'll give me time
to get away.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
All right. I think we've run it enough times. I
think we got I think we got what we need
in the prepared all right. But he, I mean, that
was really really awful and he was he was swearing
at them, and it did seem real. I felt really
bad for them. I didn't like it. I thought it
was taken too far and as far as like an
if we're taking away ads from this show, I'm going
(43:38):
to the music school, I'm not going to this self
defense place.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Yeah, And then can you imagine being Tama like having
just had that, like just you've just experienced that, and
I would have reacted similar to Tamara I would have
been fucking.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
At the window. Yes, yes, easily, I won't be hanging
out with you anymore.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
And then you.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Walk in to Gretchen's fucking dumb ass.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Laughing, laughing. That just goes to show I would have.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
As the kids say, chosen violence. I would not have
been able to keep it together at that I would have.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Did you see all the other housewives' faces. They were
really stunned and like worried. It wasn't ha ha ha.
You know, she was like freaking Ashton Kutcher over there
having a blast in her camouflage, Laura Krap.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
This is what I wanted the after show for because
I wanted to know, like, why did they then after
that went so fucking crazy with Tamara? Why did they
then do this to Shannon who literally probably could have
had a heart attack.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Oh geez, Emily.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
I mean, like only because she's currently going through a
very insane situation with stalking, yes, and they're worried about her.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
Help shean, and you better get it together because next
week we're gonna get this sheet scared out of us.
And I want to get you your houdies in cheap.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
And this isn't like an Easter Bunny sitting in the backseat.
This isn't you know, like we've had like that.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Might even worse, that might be worse. Actually make a
good point, oh boy. Well AnyWho, so we're at UDT
and and now we got Emily just shooting her mouth
off at Tamra, telling her what Gretchen said about the
(45:27):
song and about what she said about the affair, the
alleged affair, and so now Tamra's getting revved up, and
she's like past twelve years, past twelve years, past twelve years.
And then we go and they do the shooting thing
and Tamra's an unbelievable shot.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Yeah, yeah, that's impressive.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah. And then they go and they have lunch.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
It's a really great corn. This corn is great. Thanks.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
I wonder if we should have this at our what
do you call it? An event where people join up.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
There's like there's like I think there's gonna be like
food at some point at this I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
I don't want to figure that out, but we should
have this there. She's like anything like the caterer for
for this fight club. You know, Tamra goes around the
table like a freaking professional. You know what I mean,
so the angles can be correct. So she's not looking
(46:27):
around Emily, and she's like, suh, I heard what went down.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
She's a sharp shooter looking around.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
She's a camera shooters. Yeah, that's right for those camera shooters.
There you go. Now we're now we're getting into it.
And this is where it's like Gretchen is immediately like
and spoke and then Emily, you know that flashback in
my head. Emily says, in that car, when did Tamar
go to a studio? You know? And Gretchen's like, when
(46:57):
she banged allegedly this sky right, and so she says it,
you know, she says that exact thing when she banged.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Yes, she says.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Things, and then she says that she didn't say that immediately.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Like I get that.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Katie doesn't quite get how this works. But Gretchen, you
know how this shit works. Like they're gonna pull every
clip she does.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
I can't write.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
I don't understand her brain.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
I know, but this escalation was wild because you know
I do too. I completely understood what happened here. And
when Gretchen was like, I'm really mad I said anything,
and I mean, oh gosh, I've kept my mouth shut forever,
and Tarmra with her like you kept your mouth shut,
(47:47):
and and Gretchen and be like all the shit that
I know about you? Fuck yeah, Tarma's like, what do
you know about me? Bitch? You don't want me to talk? Well,
you aren't. You are talking? What are you talking about?
You're talking? And furthermore, Slade is really talking. You know,
you guys are talking.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Jin is saying everything that she is setting so much
shit up this season and then fully denying it, like
she is gaslighting the entire season and it is driving
me fucking crazy.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Yeah, and so.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
I'm as mad as Tama.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Usually I always think Tamra nine times out of ten overreacts.
In this case, I'm like, twelve years of this shit,
I would be losing my mind.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
And let's also not let's give Tamra her dues when
it comes to stirring shit up and being a gaslighter
and saying something and bringing you know, so like she
is not innocent at all on this show or in
this situation. And however, when we're compartmentalizing and we're just
(48:54):
talking about this right now, Emily had a good point,
or maybe it was Gina at the AEA. It was
Gina who said, like, well, she didn't go you know,
and talk about you. She did bring this up. Obviously,
this is a Housewives show. We need people to talk
about each other. However, it's you know, I am not
here for the like nineteen sixty drama. Okay, this happened.
(49:19):
All this stuff that Gretchen is bringing to the surface
is from the time when they were originally on and
I know that they have to rehash what's happened in
the past, but they kind of already did so to
bring up consistently now things that have happened in the
past over and over again, we're not living in what
could be the now of Housewives. It's feeling antiquated, and
(49:43):
it's feeling annoying and I am not here for it.
And then we get into this lawsuit because Gretchen says,
the person that you tried to get into a lie
with I sued and one and then we've got then
Tamer going off about oh, the guy that you were effing,
And then she said it was like there was did
you hear her say this? There was a vibrator up
your vagina all over the internet? I was like, yeah,
(50:07):
go back fifteen seconds, wouldn't I say, you're can I
get back another fifteen Can I get that little arrow?
Because I don't know what she is talking about? But
we are going back to the dark ages of I
don't know what, and I don't need to be there.
I don't out like it here.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Tamar didn't start any of this with Gretchen at this round.
There's this round argue. I mean, like this season really,
because I do feel like Gretchen keeps bringing it up,
and I get that Gretchen might have some things to
get off her chest, but they keep having these let's
start from here moments. Tamra even gave Gretchen that the
(50:46):
benefit of the doubt on Slade not getting work because
of Tamra, which.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
We all were like, what that's on Slade.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
But Tamra was willing to meet Gretchen at a lot
of stops on the way, and Gretchen keeps changing the
truth or her truth.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Well, and the thing that Tamra said about, you know,
Slade's son is a really unforgivable thing, and I think.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
That's kind of recent, right, well.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Yeah, it's within the last four years. Yeah, So that
is why I think they're digging so hard at her.
So if that's the case, you know, and they want
to take her down, they're doing a great job at
presenting and driving her crazy like they're doing a great
job at that. If that's their intention, you know, obviously
their intention of coming on this show. And I say
(51:37):
they because Slade's just as much as part a part
of this as Gretchen at this point, if their intention
of coming on this show was to just take down Tamra,
well then that's what it is. And if this thing
about what she said about his son is really truly unforgivable,
you're really just you're just coming in there to cause
(52:02):
pain and do evil instead of moving on with your life.
And because I don't really think that Tamra has really
apologized for that to Gretchen, I don't think she's gotten
there yet this season. I think she apologized for the
Slade and not getting a job and all that stuff,
but the Sun stuff, I don't think she has because
(52:24):
they haven't gotten there because Gretchen keeps bringing up all
the other stuff so they can't get to the next step.
But I've been waiting for Tamra to really lay prostrate
and say what I did was beyond what I even
felt capable. I should have even done that. I'm I'm
surprised I was capable of being so cruel because it
really was bad. So I don't know, Gretchen is not
(52:50):
allowing any steps forward because she's just slamming her to
the ground, that's all.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Yeah, Well I am at the gym. I was team
Tamera all the way, and I keep not being team
Gretchen because I just I keep like watching her set
shit up that I'm like.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
We all hear this, Gretchen.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
You are miked and on film, like we all are
watching you say shit and then fully lie about it. Right.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
Well, and you know, Katie just left and the same
thing was kind of happening there, even though that has
a lot of gray areas at this point because there
are other people involved, but it's very but she Gretchen
is involved with that specifically.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Yeah, and also like I think it's also the Gretchen
being like, WHOA what me? Me? That makes me nuts too.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Well, it makes sammar nuts. When she was standing behind
her leaning against the wall and Gretchen was doing her
shooting that small ass look on that shit eating grin
was brilliant. It was cinematic. Honestly, I have to say
these two front of me is wow geez.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Also, like Gretchen said in her interview, Emily's as much
to blame for this as I am.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
I'm like Emily, oh what.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Oh. By the way, I did find that Emily has
talked out of both sides of her mouth. So at
the slumber party she was like, I would never, you know,
want to say anything to Tamar because what's she gonna do.
She's gonna come back and like, let me have it
later on, So I would never trust her. So she's
saying that, and then she's going and telling Tamra what
(54:35):
Gretchen said. Now, there's a lot two different things. I
do agree. I do agree. I do agree. However, there
is something about that. I don't think that like I
think Emily would probably you know, say it again with
her full chest at the reunion too Tamra's face. So
I don't really have a problem with it. Oh she does, Okay, Well,
I don't have a total problem with that, but it
(54:56):
gives the idea to Gretchen. Gretchen has the ide like, oh,
Emily doesn't trust her, So this is an ally of mine,
when really she's not. Emily is her own person, and
she will go and say shit to you, and she
will also go and say shit to Tamra. Can sometimes
be accepted as being, you know, a little two faced,
(55:21):
but well.
Speaker 1 (55:22):
But then like why didn't we see or maybe she
said it but we didn't see it, Like why didn't
she say Emily in Heather, because in my mind, Emily
is speaking about Heather, speaking to Tamar's volatility and not knowing,
not trusting a situation with Tamra because she doesn't know
when she's going to explode, and Heather saying like it
(55:43):
triggers her from how she was raised. And so to me,
like that goes hand in hand with what Emily said,
doesn't go hand in hand with what Gretchen did, which
is kind of Emily's kind of like in a way
projecting or like what what she's saying is exactly what
Gretchen did to Tamara, which is saving something for years
(56:04):
and years, never knowing when it's going to come out,
and then and then like saying it, yeah, so yeah,
that's what she's doing.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
It is it is, Well, I was not expecting the
vibe writer up the vagina she's on the internet. I
don't know what that's about. But allegedly this lawsuit is
like Gretchen was with that guy who ended up dying, right,
and so allegedly she had an affair, and so then
(56:39):
I guess Tamra found out about this, and then this
guy and she and this guy, I don't know how
they must have put it out into the world. Then
Gretchen sued this guy who she allegedly had an affair
with for defamation and she won. So that's what they're
alluding to. And I'm sure I had the details wrong,
but that's the genial.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Vibe from just watching the show and reading any of it,
was that Gretchen was with a dude and it went
south and he went nuts and he started like stalking
her and going way over the line. So I don't
doubt there's pictures of them together, and I don't doubt
that maybe they had a nice time at one point,
but it sounds like then he.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
Snapped, so then he was releasing pictures. That makes more sense. Yeah,
oh my god, that's so bad.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
That's the vibe I got, And that's when I was
a little like Tamra, I'm with you, But like, just
because there's pictures of them together at one point doesn't
mean that he didn't go x's go nuts. I mean,
and especially in a situation where it was like an affair,
so he already had like power over her in terms
(57:45):
of like I can ruin your relationship whatever.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
And I think that Gretchen is denying this affair even
ever happened, which is why Tamra's like, that's not you know,
you were with him, and now you're going to assume
him you actually had an affair that you're denying allegedly.
That's what I think she's trying to get her on
as well. Okay, okay, was that bass Lake? Wasn't that
the maybe it's the bass Lake thing, that's the guy?
Speaker 1 (58:09):
I think you're right, Yeah, no, you're right. They did
say something about that, right, They did say there was
some elute Ye.
Speaker 3 (58:16):
Also.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
I do want to mention that it is out there.
I saw on social media that allegedly Gretchen and Slade
have apparently in the past brought up Tamera and this
song and this affair with this guy and this recording.
They brought it up before and allegedly, boy, I've said
(58:37):
it a lot. This this episode.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
Blanket alleged for the rest of the episode.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
Yeah, that it was brought up maybe on that season,
that from one of the earlier seasons and it was
cut out. So so that is interesting if that's true.
And then now they're bringing it back up again. Is
so snoozy and it's really it's lazy work, you know.
Speaker 1 (59:01):
Yeah, I would think if they were told not to
bring it up. I would think that then they must
have been told to bring it up. If they're coming
back on they might have been like, and we want
you no holds bart, like you can bring up I
know in the past we said don't bring up that,
but like bring it up. So I don't know how
much of that is them organically or how much of
(59:21):
them is like can we Yeah, okay, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
Like I don't know, you just never know.
Speaker 1 (59:29):
I don't want to give Slade one benefit of the
doubt though that's my.
Speaker 2 (59:32):
Own bias, Okay, I don't either, fair enough. All right,
Well that's that's that episode. You guys, Thanks for so
much for listening, and go ahead and make sure you
get your Cabareami tickets. Lincoln in podcast notes, have such
a great weekend Miami will be up tomorrow on the Patreon.
(59:54):
Bye guys, Bye m Bye my darling.
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