June 27, 2023 • 39 mins
Fear - it's an emotion we all experience and it can sneak up on us when we least expect it. Whether you're stepping into a new relationship, pursuing a dream, or embarking on a new career, fear is often a constant companion. But what if we told you that understanding your fear could be your ticket to success? Today, that's exactly what we're are discussing in our latest enlightening journey.
Using the classic self-improvement book, Think and Grow Rich, we shine a light on the six basic fears we all encounter and provide you with the tools to overcome them.
Those fears are:
1. Fear of Poverty
2. Fear of Criticism
3. Fear of Ill Health
4. Fear of Loss of Loved One
5. Fear of Old age
6. Fear of Death
We also delve into the power of mindset, the widespread fear during the COVID-19 pandemic, and the importance of seeking additional help.
But the journey doesn't end there. We tackle the fear of aging and death head-on, using faith and belief as our weapons of choice. We challenge the idea of God as a vengeful being and recommend a reading of the New Testament for a fresh perspective. Our goal is to fill your minds with positivity and faith, not negativity and fear.
So, plug in your headphones, press play, and let's spread positivity and faith together!
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Eric (00:00):
Starting a new relationship, going to a new
school, starting a new job.
You're going on faith.
So it's scary.
That's where that fear startsto creep in.
That fear starts to say what ifyou fail?
What if people criticize you?
What if you run out of money?
There's so many little thingsthat start interjecting into our
head.
That's why we wanted to talkabout this today and take
(00:23):
inventory on what's going on inour heads.
Is it real or is it fear?
Is it just something we'remaking up?
Kate (00:29):
And I think it's super cool that we can boil down fear,
like all of the things that weall worry about, collectively
into six categories.
Eric (00:38):
Six basic fears.
Kate (00:39):
Six basic fears.
Eric (00:42):
This is the Dream Chasers Show.
What's going on everybody?
This is Eric and Kate with theDream Chasers, and today we've
got kind of a different topicthat we're going to be talking
about.
It's a little bit heavier thanour normal ones, but we're
excited to go over it.
It's so heavy, It's heavy.
Picture like a bodybuilderpushing crazy amounts of weight.
(01:07):
It's heavy.
Kate (01:08):
Oh, I just thought of being smushed by a big block.
I don't know, It's weird Yeahthat is weird.
It's a scary place to be insidemy head.
Eric (01:17):
It would be, it is.
Kate (01:18):
Yeah, you don't even know.
Eric (01:20):
No.
Kate (01:21):
But I'm scared for myself, but we're going to be talking
about a lot of that too, stuffthat goes on your head.
Eric (01:28):
The stuff that we tell ourselves, the stuff that we can
make up in our heads.
Kate (01:34):
Yeah, even just the conversations that we have, like
the unaware thinking of day today activities, things that we
tell ourselves, theconversations that you have in
your head And don't pretend likeyou don't have them, because we
all do We just a lot of timeswe don't pay attention to it.
Eric (01:51):
Yeah, i forget the exact statistic, but it was something
to the ballpark of.
the average person has like75,000 thoughts a day, and 90 to
95% of those thoughts are thesame as yesterday's.
Isn't that wild?
So that's kind of what we'regoing to be talking about today
is what's going on inside ofyour head, right?
What kind of thoughts are youhaving?
Kate (02:12):
What's in your head, i love that It's like Kate's
favorite song.
That is my favorite song.
Eric (02:17):
And so today's topic we're going to be diving into is
called faith or fear.
That is our motto, actually, inthe dream chasers.
We've got it stitched on theback of our hats, we're putting
it on our shirts It's faith orfear, and we want to talk about
why that is because that's beena catapult to our journey this
full time RV lifestyle, thepodcast, starting our own
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business and just living thisdream life, chasing it down like
a cheetah chases an animal.
If you're not doing this rightnow, wake up, because you hear
this all the time.
We hear oh, you only have somuch time.
Life is short.
Oh, yeah, you know, it's true.
Every day, the seconds areticking by, and every day that
you waste and moments that youwaste not attacking something
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you really love, chasing yourdream is another moment wasted.
Kate (03:07):
And time is your greatest asset.
Eric (03:09):
Not money.
Kate (03:10):
Not money, not money.
Eric (03:11):
Or your health.
You can always get more money.
Kate (03:13):
Yep, You can always try to improve your health but you
cannot get more time backExactly, and when times run out,
it's gone.
Eric (03:20):
Gone, it's gone.
Right, All right guys, thetopic again here is faith or
fear, and let's dive into thistopic.
So I think one thing that'simportant to understand is this
concept of good or bad, positiveversus negative, faith versus
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fear.
Kate (03:44):
The yin and the yang Right And the yin and the yang.
Eric (03:46):
Where one is found, the other can't be.
Yep, right.
And where the other one's found, the other one can't be.
They don't coexist together.
It's light and dark, yep.
So the scientific part of methinks of it like this.
It's like physics, where theysay matter is everywhere, like
if there's an absence of matter,it's a vacuum, and it'll suck
up something to basically fillthat void.
So you can either have faith oryou can have fear.
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You can't have both.
So where one is lacking, theother one's going to be found,
and vice versa.
Kate (04:15):
And when we're talking about faith, it's not like what
most people say, like oh, i havefaith, i believe in God, or you
know that's not.
It's having faith that you havea purpose in life and that
you're meant to do something inlife and that whatever you put
your mind to, it will work outLike it's just having faith,
knowing that whatever you'reembarking on, whatever your
situation whatever that you willsucceed.
Eric (04:40):
Yes.
Kate (04:40):
Right.
Eric (04:41):
And so, because faith is, you're looking, trying to find
something in the future that youcan't even see.
You're going on faith.
Yeah, Let's say I always usethis example but starting a
business, you have no cluewhat's going to happen.
You're going on faith.
You're going on faith And fear.
Kate (05:00):
All the stats in the world can tell you that you could be
a successful business person,but you really have no idea.
Until you, you have no clue,yeah.
Eric (05:08):
You have no relationship.
Going to a new school, it'sstarting a new job, you're going
on faith, so it's scary.
That's where that fear startsto creep in.
That fear starts to say what?
Kate (05:18):
if you fail?
Eric (05:20):
What if people criticize you?
What if you run out of money?
There's so many little thingsthat start interjecting into our
head.
That's why we wanted to talkabout this today and take
inventory on what's going on inour heads.
Is it real or is it fear?
Is it just something we'remaking up?
Kate (05:36):
And I think it's super cool that we can boil down fear
all of the things that we allworry about collectively into
six categories.
Eric (05:46):
Six basic fears.
Kate (05:47):
Six basic fears.
Eric (05:49):
And for reference, we're getting this out of a book.
It's called Think and Grow Rich.
I talk about it all the time.
It's one of the epitomies ofself-improvement.
You've read this thing like 32times.
Yeah, it feels like it, Andit's this guy that he
interviewed and studiedthousands of successful and
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non-successful people And hepulled out these traits from
each one And he said okay, thisis what I boiled it down.
Kate (06:16):
These successful people Carnegie Vanderbilt.
Eric (06:21):
Henry Ford, thomas Edison, just a bunch of them.
And then he also interviewedthe failures.
But he found in there thatthere was a seed of about six
basic fears that everybody haseither experienced in their life
or suffers from at a highdegree.
And we're going to break thosedown, and when we do, i want you
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to know that we're anybodylistening.
we're not coming at this at a oh, you're scared of this, get
over it, quit being a baby.
We're coming at it from hey, dosome real self-analysis here
and think to yourself which oneof these six am I suffering from
?
Is it one, two, is it all six?
How do I overcome it?
Is it something in my own headthat's creating this fear?
not even there, in fact.
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he calls them the ghosts offear because most of the time we
make it up in our own head AndI can't help but think of, like
when we're kids and we're scaredof a scary movie, when we're
scared of a clown or a monstercoming out of the closet.
it's totally made up in ourheads And it paralyzes us.
Kate (07:17):
It's funny that you should bring that up, because at the
beginning of this podcast I saidoh, there's a heavy rock.
I was afraid.
I watched a movie when I wasyounger I was a and this huge
giant boulder fell on thisperson and he ended up dying.
I don't know the physics behindit, but I was afraid of having
a giant boulder land on me likewhen I was a kid And it like
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paralyzed me.
Eric (07:41):
Just scared of boulders So you probably couldn't go next
to mountains and cliffs andthings No.
Kate (07:45):
One good thing we lived in the plains and there was no
rocks nearby.
But yeah, I was terrified ofthat And it's just something
that I made up in my head.
Eric (07:52):
Right Or that you saw or heard about, and then yeah, and
you never experienced.
Kate (07:55):
Still to this day.
I look at rocks and I get alittle bit nervous.
Oh my gosh.
Eric (08:00):
Okay, it's just a pebble, Okay.
So let's list off the six fearsand we're going to dive into
them briefly And, as you listen,i urge people to just assess
yourself and say, hey, which,which one of these am I affected
by?
So there's the fear of poverty,fear of criticism, fear of ill
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health, fear of lost of a lovedone, fear of old age and the
fear of death.
So, upon me first discoveringthis, i was like, oh okay, you
know whatever, i'm not thatscared of these things.
But as I started to read more,i was like, whoa, okay.
Kate (08:38):
I feel like read more and also sit with yourself in it too
, like really dissect.
have the conversations in yourhead like how does the fear of
poverty play out to myday-to-day life?
How deeply rooted is this fearand how does it control what I
do day in and day out?
Fear of poverty is a huge one.
Eric (08:59):
It is, and I think a lot of these fears kind of stemmed
from when we were kids, so likewhen I grew up, we weren't in
poverty, but certainly there wasalways that scare like what if
we can't make this payment?
What if we can't?
we can't afford this, can'tafford that.
I heard that a lot from both inmy family and outside.
But when you can't affordsomething or you're afraid of
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not being able to make payments,you'll do.
I mean, that's where someserious dark things come out of,
like not being able to actuallyafford something.
That's where theft and all thesebad things come about gambling
trying to make them a little bitof money to pay something, And
it causes humans to do somethings you wouldn't otherwise do
.
Right, you know what I'm saying.
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I also think like I can't helpbut think, because I've done
this before work at a job I hate, but and I never looked at it
like I'm afraid to be in povertyBut if you really think about
it, if you absolutely hate yourjob and you just despise your
boss and you get one week off ayear- Why are you there?
Kate (10:00):
Why are you there?
Eric (10:01):
And we're there because we're scared of not having money
.
Well, we have to pay the bills.
There's a fear there, andimagine quitting that job when
you live in paycheck to paycheckto start a business on faith,
nothing but faith.
It's scary, it's a terrifyingexperience.
Kate (10:17):
Certainly don't recommend you to quit your job with
paycheck to paycheck.
Just start a business, maybe.
Have a little bit of businesslike planning before that.
Have a few months reserves,have a business plan, you know,
but it is, i mean, it's possible.
That's what's keeping a lot ofpeople back from chasing their
dreams is the fear of poverty.
Eric (10:37):
That was number one on the list.
Kate (10:38):
Yes.
Eric (10:39):
And that was huge for us.
When we started our real estateteam, we were scared.
I mean, we were scared out ofour wits.
Still scared, still scared, yeahSo this day is like there's
bills to pay, but somehow youjust keep going on that faith
that it's going to work out,it's going to be OK.
And if you've got nobodytelling you that, you've got to
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tell yourself that It's going tobe OK, we're going to make it.
Kate and I have this all.
There are times where we'relike I don't know how we're
going to do this.
Somehow we pull it off everytime.
Kate (11:12):
We rely on our faith too.
So when we talked about faithearlier, like we are Christians,
we believe that God providesfor us, and in the Bible it
states that God will provide forus.
What the one.
Eric (11:24):
Ask and he shall receive.
Seek and he shall find, youknow.
Kate (11:28):
And we found that to be true over and over again, like
the more that we lead by faithand take faith, god does provide
for us.
Instead of being scared and notgoing after our dreams and not
doing these things that wereally, that our heart is
burning to do.
If we chose fear, for that itwouldn't work.
But we've done it time and timeagain choosing faith, chasing
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our dreams And God's provided.
Eric (11:57):
Yeah, i think, even if somebody listening to this isn't
religious, that it's not thatit wouldn't work.
Faith in that you just havefaith that something's going to
work out.
You have faith that you'regoing to be able to do it.
You believe in yourself.
I think that at some point it'sgood to assess your religion.
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If you want to call it that,look into the Bible for answers,
because there's a lot ofamazing answers in there for
life's hardships.
Yeah, you said it perfectlyWe're people of God, but I would
hate for somebody to just shutthis off because they don't
believe in God.
The faith we're talking about isjust knowing that things are
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going to be OK.
You're going to push through it, you're going to make it.
Keep going, because if youdoubt it and you let the
negativity and the fear and thedoubt seep in, you can't succeed
.
A person cannot succeed whentheir cup is full of oil and
just darkness and, for lack ofbetter words, a horrible mindset
.
It's going to pull you down.
You've got to have that faith.
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You've got to have thepositivity.
You've got to go for it.
You've got to just really chaseyour dream.
Kate (13:10):
So the next one is fear of criticism.
Boy, oh golly gee, don't we allsuffer from this one.
Eric (13:18):
Yeah, think about what's the number one fear is public
speaking, and it's because we'reafraid of what people might
think, we're afraid of if wescrew up.
Kate (13:28):
It's afraid of saying the wrong thing and then thinking
about that thing for like weeksand years and you never letting
that go.
Been there, done that.
Eric (13:37):
I suffer from this one and with our videos and stuff
Believe it or not, anybody thatwatches our stuff there's times
where I'll re-film it three,four, ten times because I'm
afraid of what other peoplethink.
Kate (13:49):
It's annoying.
Eric (13:50):
It's annoying to me too, but look at how much it holds me
back from really saying what Iwant to say.
Kate (13:55):
I know, and saying it the first time, because chances are
you probably nailed it the firsttime, like with raw, authentic
emotion and energy and bringingall this vibrance to it the
first time.
And then you get scared, likeoh, i wonder what Susie's gonna
think We don't know any Susie'sBut I wonder yeah, i hope this
doesn't offend anybody or comeoff as arrogant or a jerk or,
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and here you go re-recording it.
Eric (14:20):
Yeah, i remember I heard somebody say this, it stuck with
me Don't be concerned with whoyou might offend, be concerned
with who you might inspire.
Again, you got that negativeand positive offensive or
inspiring.
We want to be the type ofpeople that are in that positive
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, inspiring thing.
That's what we're shooting for.
Yeah, because that's whatreally.
That's what moves mankind.
Kate (14:50):
Yeah, oh, i love it.
Whew, just got the chills, yeah.
Eric (14:55):
Number three The fear of ill health.
Kate (14:58):
Yeah, have you ever heard that people can actually think
themselves into sickness?
Absolutely, isn't that nuts?
That's where the placebo thingcomes in, like when you take a
pill.
Eric (15:08):
That's just water and you believe it to actually work and
it starts working because youbelieve it to be true.
You have that faith, yeah.
Or the opposite is trueHypocondrax, where you're not
just a person, you're a personof faith Yeah.
Or the opposite is trueHypocondrax, where everything
has just happened into them andthey have this disease and that
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disease and ADD and ADHD andADRQ and LMNOP.
Right, if you believe it, it'strue.
Kate (15:40):
Yeah, yeah.
And that gives you anindication, like the fear of all
of these things.
Like, if you fear criticism,you're probably going to get
more criticism.
If you fear poverty and youkeep thinking I don't want to be
poor, i don't want to be poor,you're probably going to be poor
, mm-hmm, yeah.
So it's like switching themindset to think like, instead
of the lack of focusing on thepositive, because if you keep
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focusing on darkness, you'regoing to see darkness, but if
you focus on light, you're goingto see light.
Eric (16:05):
Right, so I love that.
You nailed it Nice.
I think like the fear of illhealth was very apparent during
COVID.
Yes, i wanted to say thisdisclaimer We are not
discrediting legitimateillnesses that are diagnosed by
doctors, right.
But what we're talking abouthere is the mental illnesses,
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the telling yourself that youhave this disease, and then it
becomes a self-fulfillingprophecy, right.
So if you actually have a realdisease or an illness, by all
means be seen by a medicalprofessional, right.
But also know that a lot ofthis stuff can be cured by just
having the right attitude aboutit.
In COVID, during COVID, thatwas a perfect example of fear of
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ill health.
I mean, look at how mucheverybody freaked out And there
was a lot of misconception andnot even real information that
we didn't have when it allstarted And everyone just lost
it.
I mean, we just lost it throughthe masks on.
We looked at people like theywere Satan themselves.
Stay away from me.
Kate (17:12):
And if someone coughed or if you started getting coughed,
you're like oh my God, oh mygosh, i have it.
And in fact I remember in myjournal, reading through those
things, where we were about togo on a cruise three years ago
And a few weeks prior I wasjournaling about oh I'm sick, We
must have.
Eric (17:28):
COVID Must be getting it, yeah, and here it's just like a
common cold.
Kate (17:31):
Exactly, and it wasn't.
It was nothing Like.
Eric (17:34):
Right.
Kate (17:35):
But here it had just kept getting worse and worse and it
drug on for like three weeks,Mm-hmm And journal about that
stupid thing for three weeks.
Eric (17:42):
Yeah, yeah, it's real.
If you don't believe I meanreally, again, sit and analyze
yourself and think am I afraidof ill health?
Like, am I a germaphobe?
Do I carry around germaxconstantly?
And if it's you, hey, i'm notdogging on you.
I have my own fears, right, i'mfair of criticism and I have
some poverty fear in there too.
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I don't have the fear of illhealth that much, but this is a
real one And, like people should, we should all really sit here
and analyze.
Kate (18:11):
Right.
Eric (18:12):
Yeah, true, so it actually does talk about in this book
where it's discussed in the fearof ill health.
And if you pull open yourdrawer and you have all these
medications that are mentalmedications, even some physical
Each of these meds you can'teven describe or explain, let
alone pronounce.
(18:32):
You can't even pronounce thedifferent ingredients in it and
the side effects that they have.
Kate (18:39):
The side effects are worse than the treatment.
It seems like.
Eric (18:41):
Yeah, they have 10 different pill bottles and they
all just mix with each other.
Different side effects of thisand that All of a sudden you've
got this concoction of God knowswhat's in there and you can't
even think straight.
Kate (18:52):
Yeah.
Eric (18:54):
Like that's a scary deal.
So.
Kate (18:58):
And I feel like a lot of these things can be.
They're unsettling, like it'snot fun to admit that you have
ADHD or diabetes or anxiety andLike all of these things,
depression, these things thatcripple us.
But if we just imagine, if youtook the time to realize, why do
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I have anxiety?
Like what in my life is causingme anxiety, what in my life is
causing me depression?
What is it?
Instead of masking it withpills, and medication.
Eric (19:31):
Yeah, fixed this, yeah.
Kate (19:33):
Yeah, Really deep dive in, because unfortunately I don't
think any doctor can tell youthis is what's wrong with you
and this magic pill will fix it.
I think we really got to lookinside of ourselves and inside
of our soul to find the answersand the true solution.
Eric (19:51):
That makes a lot of sense.
This thing inside of our headcalled a brain is like the most
powerful thing that exists inmankind.
I want to say there was a Wherethey researched the human brain
and all the connections andneurons in there and they found
that it was one, the number oneto fifth, And the following 15
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million decibels, 15 millionzeros.
That's how many connections 15million, 15 million zeros.
So when we have these kind ofmental diseases and things like
that, it is going to bedifficult to go down and deep
dive what you're talking Likereally say.
Why do I have anxiety?
Like what's?
Am I scared of being poor?
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Am I scared of ill health?
Am I scared of this, scared ofthat?
And what are my habits like?
Am I waking up late?
Am I eating a bunch of sugar?
and I'm eating crap food that'snot good for my body?
And I mean you got to reallydive into your brain.
What I'm saying here is it'sgoing to be tough but it's going
to be so worth it, because whenyou just throw pills at it,
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you're masking it and you can'tthink straight Yeah, and it
makes other, and it makes worseside effects.
Kate (21:02):
Yeah, and domino effects for other diseases that you may
or may not want.
It just seems like it's not theway to go, in my opinion.
Right Yeah, that's a rough life.
Eric (21:15):
That is So.
The next one is the fear ofloss of love.
And if anybody listening andthis strikes a chord with them,
i feel for you, because I guessI resonate with this one too.
It's like sometimes, forinstance, i'll look at my child
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and be like, oh my gosh, she'sso awesome, i love her so much.
And then all of a sudden thisfear sinks in, like what if
somebody stole her?
What if she got sick?
What if she got hit by a carcrossing the street?
What if I drop her off atschool?
and X, y and Z, all these likeall of a sudden horrible things
just start to fill me And thatis like crippling And it robs
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you of your joy, like it robs meof the moment, just looking at
her and embracing her andlaughing and giggling with her,
and all of a sudden in my ownhead, i've just robbed myself of
this beautiful moment.
Kate (22:14):
And you're overcome with fear now for something that
likely will not happen.
I mean, death isn't inevitable.
It will happen, but it's not.
I don't think it's our duty tofocus on it and to concentrate
it Like it breaks my heartknowing that someday that you
can go before I do And I'd haveto live through that, you know.
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But thinking about it now anddwelling on those moments now is
not serving me And in fact it'srobbing time and peace from me.
That, yeah, it's not good.
Eric (22:51):
Just looking at you, i see that you have like tears
welling up in your eyes because,like you've clearly have, that
resonates with you And, yeah, itjust takes away your moment,
takes away your peace and yourhappiness.
Kate (23:02):
It really does.
Eric (23:03):
And it's a sad deal.
I think a lot of people sufferfrom that.
But, like you said, that's it'san imaginary thing.
It's because we're fed a lot ofcrap in the media and murder
stories and all this stuffthat's on TV.
The reality is that they getpaid to spread garbage and
negativity.
Kate (23:22):
Fear sells.
Fear sells man Fear and sexthey sell.
Eric (23:25):
It does.
It definitely does So for thoselistening that suffer from that
fear.
that's something that's a hardone to get past, but it's
definitely robbing you of yourjoy and of the loved ones around
you.
Kate (23:41):
Somebody great and I don't know who it is, but somebody
great once said this it's betterto have loved and lost than
never to have loved at all.
And man, what a powerfulmessage, right, and that could
go for your spouse, yourchildren, your grandparents,
your neighbor.
Like it's, we're supposed tolove one another.
It's a human connection thatwe're supposed to have And COVID
has taught us that wheneverybody like we just wanted to
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go out and hug people againLike we're meant to be in
connection with other people andlove on people.
And it's better to have lovedand lost rather than to have not
loved at all.
Eric (24:17):
And love comes and goes.
Notice how many loves have wehad from high school up until
our marriage and or lost, andthen they've come and they go
right And you were in love andif you ever think back about
your high school sweetheart,that was a different kind of
love than you have for, say,your current spouse, or that's a
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different kind of love for yourparents And that's a different
kind of love from your childrenAnd that's a different kind of
love from your boy, your bro,your homies, your girls, your
sisters.
They're different loves andthey come and they go, and
usually with no warning.
When they leave, especially ifsomebody passes away, you get
that phone call Like I'mterrified of that.
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There is where you drive andyou leave, in our vehicle, and
I'll be like just all of asudden overwhelmed with what if
she gets in a car accident?
What if the?
and, yeah, and the truth is,could it happen?
Maybe, but to sit there anddwell on it.
Kate (25:15):
It ruins your entire day.
Eric (25:17):
It ruins your life.
Kate (25:18):
It ruins.
well, yeah, yeah, but even ifyou just look at how much time
and energy is spent thinkingabout the fear of losing someone
like you, can lose your entirelife doing that.
And is that necessary?
Is that?
is that what God wants?
No, no.
Eric (25:33):
Love each other.
Kate (25:35):
Yes.
Eric (25:37):
And it's like in just be there, be present.
Like there's there's timeswhere you and I and Addy will be
doing something at a park orsomething and there, and I will
just have to pause myselfmentally, say, eric, just pause,
i'm going to snap a photo inyour eyes, like in just picture
this moment, be there, bepresent, smell the smells, take
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in the sounds.
That's hard, it's hard to do,though.
You just, but you have to focuson the positivity.
If there's one thing we'rehitting like hammering home,
like beating a dead horse, focuson faith, focus on positivity,
focus on possibility, and if youstart to find yourself being
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more negative than positive like75% of the time I have a
negative mindset and the other20, it's okay.
I think, like, inherently, thatis.
That's normal, unfortunately,because that's what we're fed
Negativity cells, fear cells.
Kate (26:35):
First of all, get off of social media.
Turn off the news channels like.
Shut out all of the crap that'sfeeding you negative doomsday.
Eric (26:45):
Look at your closest five people too.
Yes, look at the people closestto you.
what kind of mindset andmentality are they?
are they feeding your fire orare they pissing on it?
Kate (26:53):
Yeah.
Eric (26:54):
Right, and that's how hard thing to do.
Sometimes you got to let go offriends, sometimes it's family,
sometimes it's family.
But your purpose and your peaceof mind and your health is much
more important than justfeeding their ego and spending
time with them just because.
So, yeah, right, right, right,right, right, right, right,
right, right, right, right,right, right Right.
Kate (27:13):
Right, right, right, right , right.
So the next one is fear of oldage.
Do you want to talk to my eyecreams, eye cream boy.
Eric (27:24):
Yeah, these expensive eye creams to try to get rid of the
crows feet, yep.
Kate (27:28):
The boob jobs, the lipo sections, the anything that
makes that's trying to preserveyou Dying your hair to hide the
grays.
Eric (27:36):
Yeah.
Kate (27:36):
I'm struggling with that one.
I'm turning 30 this year andI've got more grays, and I think
I've got over 30 grays at anygiven time.
Yeah, but I want to, i want toembrace them.
I'm struggling with it becauseI know that it's just a reminder
that I'm getting old, but Iwant to embrace it and I want to
appreciate it, because you knowwhat that means, that I've
lived life.
Eric (27:58):
Right.
And if somebody's listening tome thinking, oh, i don't have
that, i don't have what Kate'ssaying, well, how about the?
I hear these all the time.
Oh, my back hurts, i'm gettingold.
Oh, my knees hurt, getting old,getting old, getting old.
I hear that phrase all the time.
In fact I say it too to fit insometimes, yeah, but then I
catch myself like no, that's abull crap thing that I'm just
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telling myself.
Kate (28:21):
And if you tell yourself that then you're going to feel
it Yes.
Eric (28:24):
That's a hard one to come to come to grips with and face,
because I think a lot of us havethat like, oh, i'm getting old,
or losing my mind, i'm gettingold, can't find my keys, i'm
getting old, right.
But the true reality is mostmen and women don't find their
way or really mature, whether itbe in their job, their business
or whatever, until they're pasttheir 40.
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There's a study in here thattalks about humans do not reach
their full potential untilthey're past their 40s.
That's when the Henry Ford'scome in, That's when the Theta
Roosevelt's, these great peoplethat we, they didn't really make
their mark on earth untilthey're in the 40s Edison, all
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these guys, or even past that.
So a lot of these youngstersthat's listening to this
thinking oh crap, i'm 35, istill don't have my crap
together.
You got time.
Kate (29:17):
Yeah.
Eric (29:17):
You got time, and if you're past that and you're
still have time, but you have tomake a decision.
Age is a number.
Kate (29:25):
Yeah, and there I mean age is just a number.
There are 90 year olds who domarathons, triathlons, who do
all these crazy things.
Like you, i wouldn't think a 90year old would be able to do
that kind of stuff.
But they're out there doing itbecause they don't believe the
lie of, oh, i'm just old and mybody hurts and all this stuff.
No, they take care ofthemselves and they say, well, i
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can do this.
I love swimming, i lovetriathlons, i love bicycling,
and they just do something.
Yeah, they're not afraid ofgetting old.
Eric (29:59):
Yeah, I love that.
You even said it too.
I can do this.
Who was it?
Was it Ford?
Whether that said, whether manthinks he can or cannot, he is
right.
Kate (30:08):
Yes.
Eric (30:09):
Whether you think you can or you can't, you're right, yeah
.
Kate (30:13):
Let that sink in.
Eric (30:15):
Get that tattooed on our foreheads.
Kate (30:17):
Yes.
Eric (30:18):
Faith or fear.
baby Faith or fear.
Let's keep going.
This is the final one, andpossibly one of the biggest ones
The fear of death.
Kate (30:30):
Can we just get something out?
Eric (30:31):
Yeah.
Kate (30:32):
Everybody's going to die.
Eric (30:33):
Everybody's having a great time.
Kate (30:34):
We are all going to die, yep.
So what are we scared of?
Eric (30:45):
I don't know, that's not a big one that I suffer from
right now.
Kate (30:49):
Yeah.
Eric (30:49):
But maybe as I age I might get a little more afraid of
death.
I'm not sure.
Kate (30:53):
Yeah.
Eric (30:54):
But that's a big one.
Kate (30:59):
It is a big one, i feel like, the sooner that you could
come to terms of it, though,death will happen, whether you
want to or not.
It has just come to terms ofthat, and then also be the
captain of your ship and say I'mnot going to be afraid of death
because, I know it's going tocome, and why worry about it now
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?
You don't know when you'regoing to die.
No one knows when they're goingto die.
Eric (31:27):
Right, i think maybe somebody who is lacking in their
faith, their spiritual faith,whether they believe in God or
their unsure, or they're still,you know, because we go through
these journeys sometimes reallystrong in our faith and other
times are not.
I think the fear of death ismuch more prevalent in that
regard.
If you have no belief of whereyou go, if you're like I don't
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believe in heaven, i don'tbelieve in hell, i'm just going
to go into the ground, that'skind of a scary thing.
Or in vice versa, if you'reafraid of hell because a lot of
us are raised being afraid ofyou don't go to church, you go
into hell, a fiery pit foreverwhere you're gnashing eternity
and they scare us into beingafraid of death.
Kate (32:12):
Yeah, oh, that's so true.
Eric (32:15):
And so that's kind of the fire in brimstone.
That's how a lot of you know Idon't want to call out one
specific religion, but that'show a lot of them go with this
fire in brimstone, like God is awrathful person and if you
screw up he's going to freaking,he's going to show his wrath on
you.
Kate (32:32):
He's going to light your ass up.
Eric (32:33):
He's going to light you up .
But if you really read theBible, that's in the Old
Testament.
that's in there.
But the New Testament talksabout a new age.
Like Jesus comes and washesaway the sins, and God promises
to never do that again, never bewrathful and wash away the
entire earth and a flood, Likehe loves us, you know.
And so not to get too spiritualin that regard.
Kate (32:53):
But But I think it's important too though.
So I mean, if you arestruggling with fear of death,
why is it?
Is it because you're afraidwhere you're going to go after
life?
I mean, that's an excellentpoint.
I never thought about that,because our faith is so solid on
God that I didn't resonate withthat until you just brought
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that up, and then I thought, ohman, i was so afraid of going to
hell growing up, because theway that most religion does it
is hey, it's either heaven orhell.
you better follow God,otherwise you're going to burn
in hell for eternity.
Eric (33:27):
And which one was more powerful?
Okay, because right now we'reout of crossroads Faith or fear.
Which one ran you?
Which one drove you?
Kate (33:34):
Oh boy.
Eric (33:35):
Fear.
Kate (33:35):
Yeah.
Eric (33:36):
Right, like we were more driven by fear than we were by
faith And because it stopped mefrom sinning and doing things
that I wasn't supposed to do,but it still controlled me,
though It really had its teethsunken to me of fear of death
and fear of hell More than thefaith of the positive side.
(33:57):
Right, because, yeah,negativity, for whatever reason,
is powerful.
Kate (34:00):
But ever since we became true believers, I guess, really
of Christianity, knowing thatGod sent his one and only Son,
that whoever shall believe inhim shall have eternal life.
So I feel like once we acceptedChrist as our Savior and we had
this, I had this overwhelmingpeace of mind knowing that, oh
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man, I am so loved that he waswilling to sacrifice his son for
me and his own mother.
Now that just gets me.
Oh, I think about that fromtime to time.
Eric (34:34):
Like for your kids.
will you lay down your life foryour kids?
Yeah, Yeah.
Kate (34:37):
Absolutely, but um.
Eric (34:40):
Yeah, yeah, i think too, for somebody that's still going
through this life trying tofigure out if God's real and all
that.
The scientific side.
I think one thing that a lot ofpeople get caught up in is oh,
is the religion and science?
they contradict one another.
(35:02):
Now, i'm not saying I knoweverything about everything, but
I can say that science says allenergy is neither created nor
destroyed.
It's just there, it's energy.
So when we die, that energy istransformed into something, it
moves, it doesn't just go away.
So science says energy is notcreated nor destroyed.
(35:23):
If we're bodies are energy andwhen we pass, it gets
transformed.
It goes somewhere.
If something happens to it, wecan agree to that.
So I urge you to really startto explore a little bit.
Don't just think we die andthat's it.
We die and nothing happens,because science doesn't even say
that Something happens to ourenergy.
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It goes somewhere.
I believe it goes to God.
It's heaven or hell, right?
So they don't necessarilycontradict each other in that
regard.
Something happens to us, whichone are you going to let run you
?
Are you going to be afraid?
Are you going to run in fear?
Are you going to live your lifein fear?
Because I can tell you that's acrap hole That ends in
depression, poverty, a lot ofbad things.
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Or are you going to live infaith and really go for it,
believe in what you can't see?
Because I know what electronsare real.
Do I see them?
No, i know a million dollars isreal.
Have I ever seen it?
No, i know God's real.
Have I seen him?
No, but I've felt him.
So you have that choice.
That's a big discussion, butthat's a really big thing to
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think about.
Kate (36:29):
And that is the reason why we have it.
Eric (36:33):
Faith or fear.
Kate (36:34):
That's our logo.
Faith or fear is the dreamchasers.
Eric (36:37):
That's our motto.
Kate (36:39):
That's our motto.
Sorry, not our logo.
Eric (36:41):
Yeah, so boom, i hope.
hopefully this has been a kindof an eye-opener or something to
ponder.
At least We talk about thisconstantly, guys.
It's really crazy because whenwe're just sitting around there,
especially when our daughtergoes down at night and we have
time to really discuss and hangout with each other as a husband
(37:04):
and wife, we talk about fearand faith constantly, and it's
not always religion.
Most of the time it's like, hey, i'm scared of doing this new
business venture, but, damn it,i've got some faith.
I think I can do this, i thinkI can handle this, i think this
could be a success If I don'tlet the fear of criticism
overcome me, if I don't let thefear of taking out a business
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loan because debt poverty, if Idon't have the fear of ill
health.
All of these fears, there's sixof them.
Those are the big ones.
So ponder on it.
Kate (37:36):
Yeah, really, take inventory of the thoughts in
your head.
I always called it the roommatein your head, because sometimes
she just starts talking and I'mlike that doesn't sound like me
.
Well, it's because she's achatterbox.
She never shuts up And if youdon't feed her.
Eric (37:56):
That's another thing to have forgot to bring up.
If you don't feed that voice inyour head with something of
substance that's helpful, again,it's energies.
Like a vacuum where there's avoid of positivity, negativity
will be sucked in there.
If you don't feed your mindwith healthy things, it will
just soak up whatever's aroundit, and what's around it mostly
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is negative.
What's around it is the newswhere turmoil and the sky's
falling.
Social media, your closefriends and relatives that are
suffering.
They'll just suck that in likea sponge.
So you got it.
You got to really focus onfeeding it positive and healthy
things.
Kate (38:39):
Yeah, all right.
So these are the six basicfears that we all struggle with,
whether you resonate with onemore than the other or struggle
with all six of them.
I think it's important to beaware of the fear so we can look
at the negativity, do a 180 andlook at the positivity, go
towards the light.
So you have one choice Faith orfear.
Eric (39:04):
Also, if you guys are enjoying the show, please share
it with people.
We have faith that you will,because, guess what?
We can't make this show asuccess by ourselves, kate and I
just rambling at each other allday.
No, we need awesome listenersand supporters like you guys.
So we have faith that you'llhelp spread this, help share it.
Let's spread some positivityand some faith in this world of
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fear.
Starting a new relationship, going to a new
school, starting a new job.
You're going on faith.
So it's scary.
That's where that fear startsto creep in.
That fear starts to say what ifyou fail?
What if people criticize you?
What if you run out of money?
There's so many little thingsthat start interjecting into our
head.
That's why we wanted to talkabout this today and take
(00:23):
inventory on what's going on inour heads.
Is it real or is it fear?
Is it just something we'remaking up?
Kate (00:29):
And I think it's super cool that we can boil down fear,
like all of the things that weall worry about, collectively
into six categories.
Eric (00:38):
Six basic fears.
Kate (00:39):
Six basic fears.
Eric (00:42):
This is the Dream Chasers Show.
What's going on everybody?
This is Eric and Kate with theDream Chasers, and today we've
got kind of a different topicthat we're going to be talking
about.
It's a little bit heavier thanour normal ones, but we're
excited to go over it.
It's so heavy, It's heavy.
Picture like a bodybuilderpushing crazy amounts of weight.
(01:07):
It's heavy.
Kate (01:08):
Oh, I just thought of being smushed by a big block.
I don't know, It's weird Yeahthat is weird.
It's a scary place to be insidemy head.
Eric (01:17):
It would be, it is.
Kate (01:18):
Yeah, you don't even know.
Eric (01:20):
No.
Kate (01:21):
But I'm scared for myself, but we're going to be talking
about a lot of that too, stuffthat goes on your head.
Eric (01:28):
The stuff that we tell ourselves, the stuff that we can
make up in our heads.
Kate (01:34):
Yeah, even just the conversations that we have, like
the unaware thinking of day today activities, things that we
tell ourselves, theconversations that you have in
your head And don't pretend likeyou don't have them, because we
all do We just a lot of timeswe don't pay attention to it.
Eric (01:51):
Yeah, i forget the exact statistic, but it was something
to the ballpark of.
the average person has like75,000 thoughts a day, and 90 to
95% of those thoughts are thesame as yesterday's.
Isn't that wild?
So that's kind of what we'regoing to be talking about today
is what's going on inside ofyour head, right?
What kind of thoughts are youhaving?
Kate (02:12):
What's in your head, i love that It's like Kate's
favorite song.
That is my favorite song.
Eric (02:17):
And so today's topic we're going to be diving into is
called faith or fear.
That is our motto, actually, inthe dream chasers.
We've got it stitched on theback of our hats, we're putting
it on our shirts It's faith orfear, and we want to talk about
why that is because that's beena catapult to our journey this
full time RV lifestyle, thepodcast, starting our own
(02:41):
business and just living thisdream life, chasing it down like
a cheetah chases an animal.
If you're not doing this rightnow, wake up, because you hear
this all the time.
We hear oh, you only have somuch time.
Life is short.
Oh, yeah, you know, it's true.
Every day, the seconds areticking by, and every day that
you waste and moments that youwaste not attacking something
(03:02):
you really love, chasing yourdream is another moment wasted.
Kate (03:07):
And time is your greatest asset.
Eric (03:09):
Not money.
Kate (03:10):
Not money, not money.
Eric (03:11):
Or your health.
You can always get more money.
Kate (03:13):
Yep, You can always try to improve your health but you
cannot get more time backExactly, and when times run out,
it's gone.
Eric (03:20):
Gone, it's gone.
Right, All right guys, thetopic again here is faith or
fear, and let's dive into thistopic.
So I think one thing that'simportant to understand is this
concept of good or bad, positiveversus negative, faith versus
(03:43):
fear.
Kate (03:44):
The yin and the yang Right And the yin and the yang.
Eric (03:46):
Where one is found, the other can't be.
Yep, right.
And where the other one's found, the other one can't be.
They don't coexist together.
It's light and dark, yep.
So the scientific part of methinks of it like this.
It's like physics, where theysay matter is everywhere, like
if there's an absence of matter,it's a vacuum, and it'll suck
up something to basically fillthat void.
So you can either have faith oryou can have fear.
(04:09):
You can't have both.
So where one is lacking, theother one's going to be found,
and vice versa.
Kate (04:15):
And when we're talking about faith, it's not like what
most people say, like oh, i havefaith, i believe in God, or you
know that's not.
It's having faith that you havea purpose in life and that
you're meant to do something inlife and that whatever you put
your mind to, it will work outLike it's just having faith,
knowing that whatever you'reembarking on, whatever your
situation whatever that you willsucceed.
Eric (04:40):
Yes.
Kate (04:40):
Right.
Eric (04:41):
And so, because faith is, you're looking, trying to find
something in the future that youcan't even see.
You're going on faith.
Yeah, Let's say I always usethis example but starting a
business, you have no cluewhat's going to happen.
You're going on faith.
You're going on faith And fear.
Kate (05:00):
All the stats in the world can tell you that you could be
a successful business person,but you really have no idea.
Until you, you have no clue,yeah.
Eric (05:08):
You have no relationship.
Going to a new school, it'sstarting a new job, you're going
on faith, so it's scary.
That's where that fear startsto creep in.
That fear starts to say what?
Kate (05:18):
if you fail?
Eric (05:20):
What if people criticize you?
What if you run out of money?
There's so many little thingsthat start interjecting into our
head.
That's why we wanted to talkabout this today and take
inventory on what's going on inour heads.
Is it real or is it fear?
Is it just something we'remaking up?
Kate (05:36):
And I think it's super cool that we can boil down fear
all of the things that we allworry about collectively into
six categories.
Eric (05:46):
Six basic fears.
Kate (05:47):
Six basic fears.
Eric (05:49):
And for reference, we're getting this out of a book.
It's called Think and Grow Rich.
I talk about it all the time.
It's one of the epitomies ofself-improvement.
You've read this thing like 32times.
Yeah, it feels like it, Andit's this guy that he
interviewed and studiedthousands of successful and
(06:09):
non-successful people And hepulled out these traits from
each one And he said okay, thisis what I boiled it down.
Kate (06:16):
These successful people Carnegie Vanderbilt.
Eric (06:21):
Henry Ford, thomas Edison, just a bunch of them.
And then he also interviewedthe failures.
But he found in there thatthere was a seed of about six
basic fears that everybody haseither experienced in their life
or suffers from at a highdegree.
And we're going to break thosedown, and when we do, i want you
(06:41):
to know that we're anybodylistening.
we're not coming at this at a oh, you're scared of this, get
over it, quit being a baby.
We're coming at it from hey, dosome real self-analysis here
and think to yourself which oneof these six am I suffering from
?
Is it one, two, is it all six?
How do I overcome it?
Is it something in my own headthat's creating this fear?
not even there, in fact.
(07:02):
he calls them the ghosts offear because most of the time we
make it up in our own head AndI can't help but think of, like
when we're kids and we're scaredof a scary movie, when we're
scared of a clown or a monstercoming out of the closet.
it's totally made up in ourheads And it paralyzes us.
Kate (07:17):
It's funny that you should bring that up, because at the
beginning of this podcast I saidoh, there's a heavy rock.
I was afraid.
I watched a movie when I wasyounger I was a and this huge
giant boulder fell on thisperson and he ended up dying.
I don't know the physics behindit, but I was afraid of having
a giant boulder land on me likewhen I was a kid And it like
(07:39):
paralyzed me.
Eric (07:41):
Just scared of boulders So you probably couldn't go next
to mountains and cliffs andthings No.
Kate (07:45):
One good thing we lived in the plains and there was no
rocks nearby.
But yeah, I was terrified ofthat And it's just something
that I made up in my head.
Eric (07:52):
Right Or that you saw or heard about, and then yeah, and
you never experienced.
Kate (07:55):
Still to this day.
I look at rocks and I get alittle bit nervous.
Oh my gosh.
Eric (08:00):
Okay, it's just a pebble, Okay.
So let's list off the six fearsand we're going to dive into
them briefly And, as you listen,i urge people to just assess
yourself and say, hey, which,which one of these am I affected
by?
So there's the fear of poverty,fear of criticism, fear of ill
(08:20):
health, fear of lost of a lovedone, fear of old age and the
fear of death.
So, upon me first discoveringthis, i was like, oh okay, you
know whatever, i'm not thatscared of these things.
But as I started to read more,i was like, whoa, okay.
Kate (08:38):
I feel like read more and also sit with yourself in it too
, like really dissect.
have the conversations in yourhead like how does the fear of
poverty play out to myday-to-day life?
How deeply rooted is this fearand how does it control what I
do day in and day out?
Fear of poverty is a huge one.
Eric (08:59):
It is, and I think a lot of these fears kind of stemmed
from when we were kids, so likewhen I grew up, we weren't in
poverty, but certainly there wasalways that scare like what if
we can't make this payment?
What if we can't?
we can't afford this, can'tafford that.
I heard that a lot from both inmy family and outside.
But when you can't affordsomething or you're afraid of
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not being able to make payments,you'll do.
I mean, that's where someserious dark things come out of,
like not being able to actuallyafford something.
That's where theft and all thesebad things come about gambling
trying to make them a little bitof money to pay something, And
it causes humans to do somethings you wouldn't otherwise do
.
Right, you know what I'm saying.
(09:43):
I also think like I can't helpbut think, because I've done
this before work at a job I hate, but and I never looked at it
like I'm afraid to be in povertyBut if you really think about
it, if you absolutely hate yourjob and you just despise your
boss and you get one week off ayear- Why are you there?
Kate (10:00):
Why are you there?
Eric (10:01):
And we're there because we're scared of not having money
.
Well, we have to pay the bills.
There's a fear there, andimagine quitting that job when
you live in paycheck to paycheckto start a business on faith,
nothing but faith.
It's scary, it's a terrifyingexperience.
Kate (10:17):
Certainly don't recommend you to quit your job with
paycheck to paycheck.
Just start a business, maybe.
Have a little bit of businesslike planning before that.
Have a few months reserves,have a business plan, you know,
but it is, i mean, it's possible.
That's what's keeping a lot ofpeople back from chasing their
dreams is the fear of poverty.
Eric (10:37):
That was number one on the list.
Kate (10:38):
Yes.
Eric (10:39):
And that was huge for us.
When we started our real estateteam, we were scared.
I mean, we were scared out ofour wits.
Still scared, still scared, yeahSo this day is like there's
bills to pay, but somehow youjust keep going on that faith
that it's going to work out,it's going to be OK.
And if you've got nobodytelling you that, you've got to
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tell yourself that It's going tobe OK, we're going to make it.
Kate and I have this all.
There are times where we'relike I don't know how we're
going to do this.
Somehow we pull it off everytime.
Kate (11:12):
We rely on our faith too.
So when we talked about faithearlier, like we are Christians,
we believe that God providesfor us, and in the Bible it
states that God will provide forus.
What the one.
Eric (11:24):
Ask and he shall receive.
Seek and he shall find, youknow.
Kate (11:28):
And we found that to be true over and over again, like
the more that we lead by faithand take faith, god does provide
for us.
Instead of being scared and notgoing after our dreams and not
doing these things that wereally, that our heart is
burning to do.
If we chose fear, for that itwouldn't work.
But we've done it time and timeagain choosing faith, chasing
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our dreams And God's provided.
Eric (11:57):
Yeah, i think, even if somebody listening to this isn't
religious, that it's not thatit wouldn't work.
Faith in that you just havefaith that something's going to
work out.
You have faith that you'regoing to be able to do it.
You believe in yourself.
I think that at some point it'sgood to assess your religion.
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If you want to call it that,look into the Bible for answers,
because there's a lot ofamazing answers in there for
life's hardships.
Yeah, you said it perfectlyWe're people of God, but I would
hate for somebody to just shutthis off because they don't
believe in God.
The faith we're talking about isjust knowing that things are
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going to be OK.
You're going to push through it, you're going to make it.
Keep going, because if youdoubt it and you let the
negativity and the fear and thedoubt seep in, you can't succeed
.
A person cannot succeed whentheir cup is full of oil and
just darkness and, for lack ofbetter words, a horrible mindset
.
It's going to pull you down.
You've got to have that faith.
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You've got to have thepositivity.
You've got to go for it.
You've got to just really chaseyour dream.
Kate (13:10):
So the next one is fear of criticism.
Boy, oh golly gee, don't we allsuffer from this one.
Eric (13:18):
Yeah, think about what's the number one fear is public
speaking, and it's because we'reafraid of what people might
think, we're afraid of if wescrew up.
Kate (13:28):
It's afraid of saying the wrong thing and then thinking
about that thing for like weeksand years and you never letting
that go.
Been there, done that.
Eric (13:37):
I suffer from this one and with our videos and stuff
Believe it or not, anybody thatwatches our stuff there's times
where I'll re-film it three,four, ten times because I'm
afraid of what other peoplethink.
Kate (13:49):
It's annoying.
Eric (13:50):
It's annoying to me too, but look at how much it holds me
back from really saying what Iwant to say.
Kate (13:55):
I know, and saying it the first time, because chances are
you probably nailed it the firsttime, like with raw, authentic
emotion and energy and bringingall this vibrance to it the
first time.
And then you get scared, likeoh, i wonder what Susie's gonna
think We don't know any Susie'sBut I wonder yeah, i hope this
doesn't offend anybody or comeoff as arrogant or a jerk or,
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and here you go re-recording it.
Eric (14:20):
Yeah, i remember I heard somebody say this, it stuck with
me Don't be concerned with whoyou might offend, be concerned
with who you might inspire.
Again, you got that negativeand positive offensive or
inspiring.
We want to be the type ofpeople that are in that positive
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, inspiring thing.
That's what we're shooting for.
Yeah, because that's whatreally.
That's what moves mankind.
Kate (14:50):
Yeah, oh, i love it.
Whew, just got the chills, yeah.
Eric (14:55):
Number three The fear of ill health.
Kate (14:58):
Yeah, have you ever heard that people can actually think
themselves into sickness?
Absolutely, isn't that nuts?
That's where the placebo thingcomes in, like when you take a
pill.
Eric (15:08):
That's just water and you believe it to actually work and
it starts working because youbelieve it to be true.
You have that faith, yeah.
Or the opposite is trueHypocondrax, where you're not
just a person, you're a personof faith Yeah.
Or the opposite is trueHypocondrax, where everything
has just happened into them andthey have this disease and that
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disease and ADD and ADHD andADRQ and LMNOP.
Right, if you believe it, it'strue.
Kate (15:40):
Yeah, yeah.
And that gives you anindication, like the fear of all
of these things.
Like, if you fear criticism,you're probably going to get
more criticism.
If you fear poverty and youkeep thinking I don't want to be
poor, i don't want to be poor,you're probably going to be poor
, mm-hmm, yeah.
So it's like switching themindset to think like, instead
of the lack of focusing on thepositive, because if you keep
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focusing on darkness, you'regoing to see darkness, but if
you focus on light, you're goingto see light.
Eric (16:05):
Right, so I love that.
You nailed it Nice.
I think like the fear of illhealth was very apparent during
COVID.
Yes, i wanted to say thisdisclaimer We are not
discrediting legitimateillnesses that are diagnosed by
doctors, right.
But what we're talking abouthere is the mental illnesses,
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the telling yourself that youhave this disease, and then it
becomes a self-fulfillingprophecy, right.
So if you actually have a realdisease or an illness, by all
means be seen by a medicalprofessional, right.
But also know that a lot ofthis stuff can be cured by just
having the right attitude aboutit.
In COVID, during COVID, thatwas a perfect example of fear of
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ill health.
I mean, look at how mucheverybody freaked out And there
was a lot of misconception andnot even real information that
we didn't have when it allstarted And everyone just lost
it.
I mean, we just lost it throughthe masks on.
We looked at people like theywere Satan themselves.
Stay away from me.
Kate (17:12):
And if someone coughed or if you started getting coughed,
you're like oh my God, oh mygosh, i have it.
And in fact I remember in myjournal, reading through those
things, where we were about togo on a cruise three years ago
And a few weeks prior I wasjournaling about oh I'm sick, We
must have.
Eric (17:28):
COVID Must be getting it, yeah, and here it's just like a
common cold.
Kate (17:31):
Exactly, and it wasn't.
It was nothing Like.
Eric (17:34):
Right.
Kate (17:35):
But here it had just kept getting worse and worse and it
drug on for like three weeks,Mm-hmm And journal about that
stupid thing for three weeks.
Eric (17:42):
Yeah, yeah, it's real.
If you don't believe I meanreally, again, sit and analyze
yourself and think am I afraidof ill health?
Like, am I a germaphobe?
Do I carry around germaxconstantly?
And if it's you, hey, i'm notdogging on you.
I have my own fears, right, i'mfair of criticism and I have
some poverty fear in there too.
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I don't have the fear of illhealth that much, but this is a
real one And, like people should, we should all really sit here
and analyze.
Kate (18:11):
Right.
Eric (18:12):
Yeah, true, so it actually does talk about in this book
where it's discussed in the fearof ill health.
And if you pull open yourdrawer and you have all these
medications that are mentalmedications, even some physical
Each of these meds you can'teven describe or explain, let
alone pronounce.
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You can't even pronounce thedifferent ingredients in it and
the side effects that they have.
Kate (18:39):
The side effects are worse than the treatment.
It seems like.
Eric (18:41):
Yeah, they have 10 different pill bottles and they
all just mix with each other.
Different side effects of thisand that All of a sudden you've
got this concoction of God knowswhat's in there and you can't
even think straight.
Kate (18:52):
Yeah.
Eric (18:54):
Like that's a scary deal.
So.
Kate (18:58):
And I feel like a lot of these things can be.
They're unsettling, like it'snot fun to admit that you have
ADHD or diabetes or anxiety andLike all of these things,
depression, these things thatcripple us.
But if we just imagine, if youtook the time to realize, why do
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I have anxiety?
Like what in my life is causingme anxiety, what in my life is
causing me depression?
What is it?
Instead of masking it withpills, and medication.
Eric (19:31):
Yeah, fixed this, yeah.
Kate (19:33):
Yeah, Really deep dive in, because unfortunately I don't
think any doctor can tell youthis is what's wrong with you
and this magic pill will fix it.
I think we really got to lookinside of ourselves and inside
of our soul to find the answersand the true solution.
Eric (19:51):
That makes a lot of sense.
This thing inside of our headcalled a brain is like the most
powerful thing that exists inmankind.
I want to say there was a Wherethey researched the human brain
and all the connections andneurons in there and they found
that it was one, the number oneto fifth, And the following 15
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million decibels, 15 millionzeros.
That's how many connections 15million, 15 million zeros.
So when we have these kind ofmental diseases and things like
that, it is going to bedifficult to go down and deep
dive what you're talking Likereally say.
Why do I have anxiety?
Like what's?
Am I scared of being poor?
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Am I scared of ill health?
Am I scared of this, scared ofthat?
And what are my habits like?
Am I waking up late?
Am I eating a bunch of sugar?
and I'm eating crap food that'snot good for my body?
And I mean you got to reallydive into your brain.
What I'm saying here is it'sgoing to be tough but it's going
to be so worth it, because whenyou just throw pills at it,
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you're masking it and you can'tthink straight Yeah, and it
makes other, and it makes worseside effects.
Kate (21:02):
Yeah, and domino effects for other diseases that you may
or may not want.
It just seems like it's not theway to go, in my opinion.
Right Yeah, that's a rough life.
Eric (21:15):
That is So.
The next one is the fear ofloss of love.
And if anybody listening andthis strikes a chord with them,
i feel for you, because I guessI resonate with this one too.
It's like sometimes, forinstance, i'll look at my child
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and be like, oh my gosh, she'sso awesome, i love her so much.
And then all of a sudden thisfear sinks in, like what if
somebody stole her?
What if she got sick?
What if she got hit by a carcrossing the street?
What if I drop her off atschool?
and X, y and Z, all these likeall of a sudden horrible things
just start to fill me And thatis like crippling And it robs
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you of your joy, like it robs meof the moment, just looking at
her and embracing her andlaughing and giggling with her,
and all of a sudden in my ownhead, i've just robbed myself of
this beautiful moment.
Kate (22:14):
And you're overcome with fear now for something that
likely will not happen.
I mean, death isn't inevitable.
It will happen, but it's not.
I don't think it's our duty tofocus on it and to concentrate
it Like it breaks my heartknowing that someday that you
can go before I do And I'd haveto live through that, you know.
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But thinking about it now anddwelling on those moments now is
not serving me And in fact it'srobbing time and peace from me.
That, yeah, it's not good.
Eric (22:51):
Just looking at you, i see that you have like tears
welling up in your eyes because,like you've clearly have, that
resonates with you And, yeah, itjust takes away your moment,
takes away your peace and yourhappiness.
Kate (23:02):
It really does.
Eric (23:03):
And it's a sad deal.
I think a lot of people sufferfrom that.
But, like you said, that's it'san imaginary thing.
It's because we're fed a lot ofcrap in the media and murder
stories and all this stuffthat's on TV.
The reality is that they getpaid to spread garbage and
negativity.
Kate (23:22):
Fear sells.
Fear sells man Fear and sexthey sell.
Eric (23:25):
It does.
It definitely does So for thoselistening that suffer from that
fear.
that's something that's a hardone to get past, but it's
definitely robbing you of yourjoy and of the loved ones around
you.
Kate (23:41):
Somebody great and I don't know who it is, but somebody
great once said this it's betterto have loved and lost than
never to have loved at all.
And man, what a powerfulmessage, right, and that could
go for your spouse, yourchildren, your grandparents,
your neighbor.
Like it's, we're supposed tolove one another.
It's a human connection thatwe're supposed to have And COVID
has taught us that wheneverybody like we just wanted to
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go out and hug people againLike we're meant to be in
connection with other people andlove on people.
And it's better to have lovedand lost rather than to have not
loved at all.
Eric (24:17):
And love comes and goes.
Notice how many loves have wehad from high school up until
our marriage and or lost, andthen they've come and they go
right And you were in love andif you ever think back about
your high school sweetheart,that was a different kind of
love than you have for, say,your current spouse, or that's a
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different kind of love for yourparents And that's a different
kind of love from your childrenAnd that's a different kind of
love from your boy, your bro,your homies, your girls, your
sisters.
They're different loves andthey come and they go, and
usually with no warning.
When they leave, especially ifsomebody passes away, you get
that phone call Like I'mterrified of that.
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There is where you drive andyou leave, in our vehicle, and
I'll be like just all of asudden overwhelmed with what if
she gets in a car accident?
What if the?
and, yeah, and the truth is,could it happen?
Maybe, but to sit there anddwell on it.
Kate (25:15):
It ruins your entire day.
Eric (25:17):
It ruins your life.
Kate (25:18):
It ruins.
well, yeah, yeah, but even ifyou just look at how much time
and energy is spent thinkingabout the fear of losing someone
like you, can lose your entirelife doing that.
And is that necessary?
Is that?
is that what God wants?
No, no.
Eric (25:33):
Love each other.
Kate (25:35):
Yes.
Eric (25:37):
And it's like in just be there, be present.
Like there's there's timeswhere you and I and Addy will be
doing something at a park orsomething and there, and I will
just have to pause myselfmentally, say, eric, just pause,
i'm going to snap a photo inyour eyes, like in just picture
this moment, be there, bepresent, smell the smells, take
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in the sounds.
That's hard, it's hard to do,though.
You just, but you have to focuson the positivity.
If there's one thing we'rehitting like hammering home,
like beating a dead horse, focuson faith, focus on positivity,
focus on possibility, and if youstart to find yourself being
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more negative than positive like75% of the time I have a
negative mindset and the other20, it's okay.
I think, like, inherently, thatis.
That's normal, unfortunately,because that's what we're fed
Negativity cells, fear cells.
Kate (26:35):
First of all, get off of social media.
Turn off the news channels like.
Shut out all of the crap that'sfeeding you negative doomsday.
Eric (26:45):
Look at your closest five people too.
Yes, look at the people closestto you.
what kind of mindset andmentality are they?
are they feeding your fire orare they pissing on it?
Kate (26:53):
Yeah.
Eric (26:54):
Right, and that's how hard thing to do.
Sometimes you got to let go offriends, sometimes it's family,
sometimes it's family.
But your purpose and your peaceof mind and your health is much
more important than justfeeding their ego and spending
time with them just because.
So, yeah, right, right, right,right, right, right, right,
right, right, right, right,right, right Right.
Kate (27:13):
Right, right, right, right , right.
So the next one is fear of oldage.
Do you want to talk to my eyecreams, eye cream boy.
Eric (27:24):
Yeah, these expensive eye creams to try to get rid of the
crows feet, yep.
Kate (27:28):
The boob jobs, the lipo sections, the anything that
makes that's trying to preserveyou Dying your hair to hide the
grays.
Eric (27:36):
Yeah.
Kate (27:36):
I'm struggling with that one.
I'm turning 30 this year andI've got more grays, and I think
I've got over 30 grays at anygiven time.
Yeah, but I want to, i want toembrace them.
I'm struggling with it becauseI know that it's just a reminder
that I'm getting old, but Iwant to embrace it and I want to
appreciate it, because you knowwhat that means, that I've
lived life.
Eric (27:58):
Right.
And if somebody's listening tome thinking, oh, i don't have
that, i don't have what Kate'ssaying, well, how about the?
I hear these all the time.
Oh, my back hurts, i'm gettingold.
Oh, my knees hurt, getting old,getting old, getting old.
I hear that phrase all the time.
In fact I say it too to fit insometimes, yeah, but then I
catch myself like no, that's abull crap thing that I'm just
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telling myself.
Kate (28:21):
And if you tell yourself that then you're going to feel
it Yes.
Eric (28:24):
That's a hard one to come to come to grips with and face,
because I think a lot of us havethat like, oh, i'm getting old,
or losing my mind, i'm gettingold, can't find my keys, i'm
getting old, right.
But the true reality is mostmen and women don't find their
way or really mature, whether itbe in their job, their business
or whatever, until they're pasttheir 40.
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There's a study in here thattalks about humans do not reach
their full potential untilthey're past their 40s.
That's when the Henry Ford'scome in, That's when the Theta
Roosevelt's, these great peoplethat we, they didn't really make
their mark on earth untilthey're in the 40s Edison, all
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these guys, or even past that.
So a lot of these youngstersthat's listening to this
thinking oh crap, i'm 35, istill don't have my crap
together.
You got time.
Kate (29:17):
Yeah.
Eric (29:17):
You got time, and if you're past that and you're
still have time, but you have tomake a decision.
Age is a number.
Kate (29:25):
Yeah, and there I mean age is just a number.
There are 90 year olds who domarathons, triathlons, who do
all these crazy things.
Like you, i wouldn't think a 90year old would be able to do
that kind of stuff.
But they're out there doing itbecause they don't believe the
lie of, oh, i'm just old and mybody hurts and all this stuff.
No, they take care ofthemselves and they say, well, i
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can do this.
I love swimming, i lovetriathlons, i love bicycling,
and they just do something.
Yeah, they're not afraid ofgetting old.
Eric (29:59):
Yeah, I love that.
You even said it too.
I can do this.
Who was it?
Was it Ford?
Whether that said, whether manthinks he can or cannot, he is
right.
Kate (30:08):
Yes.
Eric (30:09):
Whether you think you can or you can't, you're right, yeah
.
Kate (30:13):
Let that sink in.
Eric (30:15):
Get that tattooed on our foreheads.
Kate (30:17):
Yes.
Eric (30:18):
Faith or fear.
baby Faith or fear.
Let's keep going.
This is the final one, andpossibly one of the biggest ones
The fear of death.
Kate (30:30):
Can we just get something out?
Eric (30:31):
Yeah.
Kate (30:32):
Everybody's going to die.
Eric (30:33):
Everybody's having a great time.
Kate (30:34):
We are all going to die, yep.
So what are we scared of?
Eric (30:45):
I don't know, that's not a big one that I suffer from
right now.
Kate (30:49):
Yeah.
Eric (30:49):
But maybe as I age I might get a little more afraid of
death.
I'm not sure.
Kate (30:53):
Yeah.
Eric (30:54):
But that's a big one.
Kate (30:59):
It is a big one, i feel like, the sooner that you could
come to terms of it, though,death will happen, whether you
want to or not.
It has just come to terms ofthat, and then also be the
captain of your ship and say I'mnot going to be afraid of death
because, I know it's going tocome, and why worry about it now
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?
You don't know when you'regoing to die.
No one knows when they're goingto die.
Eric (31:27):
Right, i think maybe somebody who is lacking in their
faith, their spiritual faith,whether they believe in God or
their unsure, or they're still,you know, because we go through
these journeys sometimes reallystrong in our faith and other
times are not.
I think the fear of death ismuch more prevalent in that
regard.
If you have no belief of whereyou go, if you're like I don't
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believe in heaven, i don'tbelieve in hell, i'm just going
to go into the ground, that'skind of a scary thing.
Or in vice versa, if you'reafraid of hell because a lot of
us are raised being afraid ofyou don't go to church, you go
into hell, a fiery pit foreverwhere you're gnashing eternity
and they scare us into beingafraid of death.
Kate (32:12):
Yeah, oh, that's so true.
Eric (32:15):
And so that's kind of the fire in brimstone.
That's how a lot of you know Idon't want to call out one
specific religion, but that'show a lot of them go with this
fire in brimstone, like God is awrathful person and if you
screw up he's going to freaking,he's going to show his wrath on
you.
Kate (32:32):
He's going to light your ass up.
Eric (32:33):
He's going to light you up .
But if you really read theBible, that's in the Old
Testament.
that's in there.
But the New Testament talksabout a new age.
Like Jesus comes and washesaway the sins, and God promises
to never do that again, never bewrathful and wash away the
entire earth and a flood, Likehe loves us, you know.
And so not to get too spiritualin that regard.
Kate (32:53):
But But I think it's important too though.
So I mean, if you arestruggling with fear of death,
why is it?
Is it because you're afraidwhere you're going to go after
life?
I mean, that's an excellentpoint.
I never thought about that,because our faith is so solid on
God that I didn't resonate withthat until you just brought
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that up, and then I thought, ohman, i was so afraid of going to
hell growing up, because theway that most religion does it
is hey, it's either heaven orhell.
you better follow God,otherwise you're going to burn
in hell for eternity.
Eric (33:27):
And which one was more powerful?
Okay, because right now we'reout of crossroads Faith or fear.
Which one ran you?
Which one drove you?
Kate (33:34):
Oh boy.
Eric (33:35):
Fear.
Kate (33:35):
Yeah.
Eric (33:36):
Right, like we were more driven by fear than we were by
faith And because it stopped mefrom sinning and doing things
that I wasn't supposed to do,but it still controlled me,
though It really had its teethsunken to me of fear of death
and fear of hell More than thefaith of the positive side.
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Right, because, yeah,negativity, for whatever reason,
is powerful.
Kate (34:00):
But ever since we became true believers, I guess, really
of Christianity, knowing thatGod sent his one and only Son,
that whoever shall believe inhim shall have eternal life.
So I feel like once we acceptedChrist as our Savior and we had
this, I had this overwhelmingpeace of mind knowing that, oh
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man, I am so loved that he waswilling to sacrifice his son for
me and his own mother.
Now that just gets me.
Oh, I think about that fromtime to time.
Eric (34:34):
Like for your kids.
will you lay down your life foryour kids?
Yeah, Yeah.
Kate (34:37):
Absolutely, but um.
Eric (34:40):
Yeah, yeah, i think too, for somebody that's still going
through this life trying tofigure out if God's real and all
that.
The scientific side.
I think one thing that a lot ofpeople get caught up in is oh,
is the religion and science?
they contradict one another.
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Now, i'm not saying I knoweverything about everything, but
I can say that science says allenergy is neither created nor
destroyed.
It's just there, it's energy.
So when we die, that energy istransformed into something, it
moves, it doesn't just go away.
So science says energy is notcreated nor destroyed.
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If we're bodies are energy andwhen we pass, it gets
transformed.
It goes somewhere.
If something happens to it, wecan agree to that.
So I urge you to really startto explore a little bit.
Don't just think we die andthat's it.
We die and nothing happens,because science doesn't even say
that Something happens to ourenergy.
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It goes somewhere.
I believe it goes to God.
It's heaven or hell, right?
So they don't necessarilycontradict each other in that
regard.
Something happens to us, whichone are you going to let run you
?
Are you going to be afraid?
Are you going to run in fear?
Are you going to live your lifein fear?
Because I can tell you that's acrap hole That ends in
depression, poverty, a lot ofbad things.
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Or are you going to live infaith and really go for it,
believe in what you can't see?
Because I know what electronsare real.
Do I see them?
No, i know a million dollars isreal.
Have I ever seen it?
No, i know God's real.
Have I seen him?
No, but I've felt him.
So you have that choice.
That's a big discussion, butthat's a really big thing to
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think about.
Kate (36:29):
And that is the reason why we have it.
Eric (36:33):
Faith or fear.
Kate (36:34):
That's our logo.
Faith or fear is the dreamchasers.
Eric (36:37):
That's our motto.
Kate (36:39):
That's our motto.
Sorry, not our logo.
Eric (36:41):
Yeah, so boom, i hope.
hopefully this has been a kindof an eye-opener or something to
ponder.
At least We talk about thisconstantly, guys.
It's really crazy because whenwe're just sitting around there,
especially when our daughtergoes down at night and we have
time to really discuss and hangout with each other as a husband
(37:04):
and wife, we talk about fearand faith constantly, and it's
not always religion.
Most of the time it's like, hey, i'm scared of doing this new
business venture, but, damn it,i've got some faith.
I think I can do this, i thinkI can handle this, i think this
could be a success If I don'tlet the fear of criticism
overcome me, if I don't let thefear of taking out a business
(37:25):
loan because debt poverty, if Idon't have the fear of ill
health.
All of these fears, there's sixof them.
Those are the big ones.
So ponder on it.
Kate (37:36):
Yeah, really, take inventory of the thoughts in
your head.
I always called it the roommatein your head, because sometimes
she just starts talking and I'mlike that doesn't sound like me
.
Well, it's because she's achatterbox.
She never shuts up And if youdon't feed her.
Eric (37:56):
That's another thing to have forgot to bring up.
If you don't feed that voice inyour head with something of
substance that's helpful, again,it's energies.
Like a vacuum where there's avoid of positivity, negativity
will be sucked in there.
If you don't feed your mindwith healthy things, it will
just soak up whatever's aroundit, and what's around it mostly
(38:17):
is negative.
What's around it is the newswhere turmoil and the sky's
falling.
Social media, your closefriends and relatives that are
suffering.
They'll just suck that in likea sponge.
So you got it.
You got to really focus onfeeding it positive and healthy
things.
Kate (38:39):
Yeah, all right.
So these are the six basicfears that we all struggle with,
whether you resonate with onemore than the other or struggle
with all six of them.
I think it's important to beaware of the fear so we can look
at the negativity, do a 180 andlook at the positivity, go
towards the light.
So you have one choice Faith orfear.
Eric (39:04):
Also, if you guys are enjoying the show, please share
it with people.
We have faith that you will,because, guess what?
We can't make this show asuccess by ourselves, kate and I
just rambling at each other allday.
No, we need awesome listenersand supporters like you guys.
So we have faith that you'llhelp spread this, help share it.
Let's spread some positivityand some faith in this world of
(39:24):
fear.
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