April 23, 2025 • 47 mins
Ever feel like you have a big dream, but you're not sure where to even start? That's exactly where Duane Martinz found himself when he was inspired to write his book Becoming Your Own Champion. He embarked on a journey that would eventually lead him to become an author, life coach, and an international speaker.
In this conversation, we dive deep into the power of consistent small actions and trusting yourself when self-doubt creeps in. Duane shares the vulnerable truth about writing his book despite having no experience with Microsoft Word and considering himself "the last person who should write a book." Through daily writing sessions—sometimes producing just 300 words—he eventually completed his manuscript, proving that starting small can lead to remarkable achievements.
What makes this discussion particularly refreshing is Duane's honesty about fear. After years of professional speaking, he still gets "scared to death" before taking the stage, yet he's learned to recognize fear not as a stop sign but as a directional marker pointing toward growth. As he puts it, "our biggest gifts and purpose are often found behind the wall of fear."
The conversation also explores practical strategies for building accountability, celebrating small wins, and starting each day with intention. Duane's morning routine includes scripture reading and personalized prayers that center him for the day ahead—a simple practice that transformed his approach from being "a victim of circumstance" to living purposefully.
Whether you've got dreams of public speaking, writing a book, starting a business, or simply becoming more intentional about your growth, this episode offers both inspiration and practical next steps. As Duane reminds us, "You don't have to see the whole staircase to take the first step." Your journey begins with trusting yourself and taking that first small action toward your biggest dreams.
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Eric Heidrich (00:00):
What advice do you have for people who are
currently doubting themselves?
Right, because that's a commonthing.
We all go through moments ofthat where we're just struggling
and we can't seem to figure itout and we have doubts.
What would you say to them?
Duane Martinz (00:13):
You've got to trust yourself because you're
better than you think you areand we're our own worst critic
and if you just trust yourselfand go with that instinct, and
then it's that getting out ofyour own way and allowing
yourself to start small.
Don't be afraid of startingsmall, but also know that it's
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like you and I talked earlierabout public speaking as many
years as I've been doing it Iget scared to death before I get
on stage still, and that's okay, and you just need to be okay
with being scared.
Do it anyway.
Eric Heidrich (01:00):
Welcome to the Dream Chasers Show.
Our mission is to inspire andimprove the lives of those who
dare to chase their dreams.
Here's your host, eric Heidren.
Hey guys, welcome back to theDream Chaser Show, where our
mission is to inspire andimprove the lives of those who
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dare to chase their dreams.
Now, in this episode, I had theopportunity to interview a man
who I've come to truly respectand admire.
His name's Duane Martinz, andhe's an author, he's a life
coach and he's an internationalpublic speaker.
And how I met him was through agroup called the Toastmasters.
Now, if you're not familiarwith them, basically what it is
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is it's a group of individualsthat get together and practice
public speaking.
So I was at this Toastmastersmeeting for the very first time.
I had no idea what to expectand really nervous.
Well, anyway, I show up and Isit down and there was probably
maybe 10 people at thisparticular meeting and this guy
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gets up and it was Duane, whom Ididn't know at the time.
But he gets up and he startsspeaking and he's just knocking
it out of the park.
I mean, he's doing fantasticlike with hardly any ahs and ums
, and he doesn't seem nervous atall for about 15 to 20 minutes
at this point.
But his speech is so compelling.
He's telling stories and he'sjust drawing me in.
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I'm like mesmerized by this guyand I'm just thinking like, oh
my goodness, I don't think Icould ever do that.
I'm terrified to even be upthere and speak for like 10
seconds.
Well then he's telling us aboutthis book that he had written.
It's called Becoming your OwnChampion and he's holding it up
and showing it to everybody.
As he's explaining kind of whathe went through in his life and
what brought him to write thisbook, and at one moment he looks
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out to us and he says so, whowants to take that next step?
And he's kind of holding thebook out for someone to come
take.
And I'm thinking like, oh, thisis just part of a speech, you
know he's not actually asking usand he repeats himself.
He goes who wants to take thatnext step?
And he holds the book out andI'm like, without even thinking,
I jump up and I said I do.
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And he's like awesome, come onup here.
So I'm walking up around thesepeople I've never met in my life
and I'm thinking, did I justbreak some rules or something?
I have no clue, but he shakesmy hand and he asks for my name
and then he hands me the bookand he signed it and everything,
and he finished his speech andall that.
So I still have this book.
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It's called Becoming your OwnChampion.
Well then, later that evening Ifind out he's a professional
speaker and he's an author,obviously, and he's a life coach
.
So he's an incredible guy.
So just recently I reached outto him and I asked if he
wouldn't mind coming on the showand telling us his story about
how he became an author and aspeaker.
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And he's such a humble guy,he's so down to earth.
So I really enjoyed thisinterview and I know you will
too.
So let's just dive on in andget to it.
Duane, thanks so much for beingwith us here today.
Duane Martinz (04:06):
Absolutely.
I was stoked to get yourmessage, so thank you for having
me.
Eric Heidrich (04:11):
Yeah, absolutely so, Duane.
Our show revolves primarilyaround two main things it's
faith and it's personaldevelopment.
And I've been following you fora while now and I've been kind
of watching some of the stuffthat you're going through and
I'm just curious can you tell usa little bit about your journey
through personal developmentand when it all started for you?
Duane Martinz (04:34):
Oh, absolutely.
So.
I used to live in YellowstonePark, work out in Montana, and I
was in college at Montana StateUniversity and I never knew in
school how to study, how to be agood student, any of that.
And when I got to Montana StateI found a room that they had
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there and it was called the PeakPerformance Center and it was
no bigger than my office here,which is pretty small, but it
was chocked full of back thencassette tapes if anyone
remembers what a cassette tapeis Chocked full of cassette
programs from some of thegreatest minds that ever lived.
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And that's where I really gotinto personal growth.
Personal development was.
I turned my car into what ZigZiglar coined the phrase of an
automobile university and Istarted listening to those tapes
as I was driving.
And as I was driving andlistening to the tapes, the
tapes were driving me and theywere taking me to a new place
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and they opened my mind to whatwas possible out there.
And I used to have a box thatwould have a hundred cassette
tapes in it and I would listento those and I still have a lot
of Zig Ziglar programs and hewould challenge you on those six
cassettes to listen to thewhole program once and then
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listen to each cassette tape six, uh, seven times before you
moved on to the next one.
Oh and I'm like, well, I'm outhere driving 208 miles a day.
I have the time.
I was naive enough to push playand and I just it.
It just became a part of me ofloving that whole personal
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growth.
Eric Heidrich (06:27):
And that travel time that was for your job
primarily.
Right, you were driving a lotfor work, Correct?
Yeah, so in essence, if I'mhearing this right because this
is, it's, kind of similar towhat I've gone through in the
past was we have a lot of thistime where we're driving or
we're commuting.
We're either commuting, we'resitting on our butts, right.
Not doing much, and it'sperfect time for that, for that
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growth oh my gosh.
Duane Martinz (06:54):
I love it.
Now, of course, we havepodcasts.
Most vehicles don't even have acassette or CD player in them,
so I hammer podcasts andaudiobooks, just listening to
them constantly.
When I'm at the Y I try to getsomething good in me every day
if I can, and it is so easy tolisten to an audiobook.
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You can get four or fivechapters in when you drive from
here to Rapid City, which is anhour away, and then I can hear
them many times.
Like most of the audio books Ihave in Audible I've listened to
at least a half a dozen timesand then it finally sinks in
after I hear it that many times.
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So I love that opportunity togrow like that.
Eric Heidrich (07:42):
We humans, we're I hesitate to use the word
stubborn, but we're hardheaded.
We have habits of thinking andhabits of doing, and you have to
hear and see and do thingsseveral times before it creates
a new pathway of thinking.
Duane Martinz (07:58):
So absolutely, and that's why Ziegler went to
challenge you to listen to eachCD seven times, because then it
became a part of you and youcould internalize it, and so I
loved that.
Eric Heidrich (08:12):
That's phenomenal .
Yeah, scripture talks about howthe word is God and God is the
word, and I know that inscripture no word is wasted.
There's nothing written inthere that doesn't mean
something.
So it's very powerful, the word, and when you're able to listen
to a book or an audio from theauthentic author, they'll
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emphasize certain words, they'llre-say it.
They'll re-say a sentence threetimes slower each time until it
sinks, because the word ispowerful, versus if you're just
reading the book.
Duane Martinz (08:47):
You might just skip through it just because
you're trying to get in a hurry.
Yeah, you're right, eric,absolutely that's powerful.
Eric Heidrich (08:55):
Um so, duane you, you're an author.
The book that you wrote iscalled becoming your own
champion, and'm curious whatinspired you to write that book.
Duane Martinz (09:06):
Well, wow, thank you for this.
Hopefully I can make it throughwithout my eyes waking, because
it was a dream of mine to.
After all of those years sincethe mid 1980s when I started
this personal growth path, Ialways just had that little
thing in my heart saying maybesomeday someone will be
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listening to me or reading mybook or hearing me speak.
But, eric, I didn't know how todo any of that.
I tell people all the time ifyou knew me, you would know I
was the last person that youthought ever would have, could
have or should have written abook.
And it's I believe it's a Godthing.
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It's all God inspired.
Because I went to a seminar inRapid City.
It's called Days of Excellence.
They've done it for 11 or 12years now.
One of the speakers there wasnamed Patrick Snow and he wasn't
there for this reason, butwhile he stood on stage he said
that if you've ever had thedream to write a book and if
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you've ever wanted to write abook, he said, I'll coach you
through the process.
And there was just enough of aconnection between him and I,
because I was a Montana kid andhe talked about going to the
University of Montana for a yearor a semester or something, and
I thought that was enoughconnection for me to know this
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guy was real.
I visited with him after hisseminar and we talked on the
phone for 90 minutes and I justtrusted the process that he
could take me through, and so Ibrought him on as a coach and we
coached every single week and Ihad the manuscript done in
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about seven months and the bookwas completed in my hand the day
before the next year's Day ofExcellence.
In fact, I went back to thatDay of Excellence the next year
and the emcee held my book up infront of 1,400 people and he
said some of you come to thisseminar thinking you know it's a
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day off, I don't have to be atwork, he said, but some of you
come and you hear a message thatresonates.
And he said last Duane Martinzwent home and he wrote a book
that just came off the pressyesterday, and so that was an
amazing accomplishment for me.
The other thing that it did forme, eric, was I was afraid of
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dying with my music still in me.
Eric Heidrich (11:48):
I was going to ask you about that quote.
Duane Martinz (11:50):
Yep, and this takes that away.
You know, if something was tohappen to me today with my
speeches, with this book andwith the online course, I'm at
least using some of the giftsthat God gave me.
And when I talk about it beingGod inspired, I was the slowest
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typer you can imagine.
I didn't even know how to runMicrosoft Word.
I had to have my coach teach meand I'm sure he's just smacking
his forehead going.
Where did I get this guy from?
But I had to watch a two and ahalf hour tutorial on YouTube on
how to use Microsoft Word and Inever one time had writer's
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block and I would keep tellingmy wife.
I said I don't know if any ofthis is worthy of a book, but
when this stack of sticky notesand thoughts and ideas from all
these years are on this side,I'll be done writing.
And Patrick taught me to have adecent sized book.
You want 50,000 words was thegoal, and I remember running up
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the stairs and announcing to myfamily that I just hit 50,004
words.
But I wasn't finished yet andthe book ended up being over
70,000 words and I told Nancy.
I said I'll let the editorsdecide what's worthy, and they
cut about 18,000 words out, andso it was just a phenomenal
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process.
So in the book I I tell peopleand I really, really mean this
that if I can do this, you coulddo it better, faster and more
efficient than I did, becauseyou're so far ahead of the curve
, you know, so I try toencourage anyone that has a book
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in them that the world needsyour message and to just get and
literally, if I can do it, youcan do it better and faster All
right.
Eric Heidrich (13:53):
So, duane, you brought up a lot of things that
I want to unpack during thatconversation, which is
phenomenal.
Your first thing that caught myattention was when you said the
speaker who inspired you wasreal.
He was authentic.
There was something about him,just the fact that he connected
with you from the school youwent to the same school how that
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authenticity is what got youthe fact that he wasn't this
perfect person.
I think a lot of times withpersonal development there can
be kind of this soapbox feel youshould be doing this, you
should be living this way, and alot of times when I'm giving my
messages, I'm like we're human,I mean, even the best person in
the world that's doing the bestthing, that's maybe doing
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something we want to achieve.
We tend to tell ourselves Idon't have that in me because
I'm not like that person.
Duane Martinz (14:47):
Right, and in your opinion, how, how important
is it to just just be real,even about our shortcomings and
Well, you have to be there's noway to not be and have people
listen to you, because I I thinkpeople are smart and they can
see right through that.
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I mean you and I can tell whensomeone's just uh saying
something that just isn't isn'ttrue.
And in public speaking, one ofthe things that helps you
connect better with youraudience is to tell your your
your firsts and yourfrustrations, because then
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they're going oh my gosh, he'sreal, he suffers with the same
thing, he has the same mistakes.
I do, and a lot of times.
So, eric, there was a three-yearperiod where I send out a post
every single day on Facebook,just trying to put some good out
in the world.
I never missed one day forthree years, and many of the
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times when I would start myvideo, I would tell them that I
need this message more than youdo, and here I'm the guy that's
given the message.
But I'm admitting I need thistoday.
I need help in this area.
I'm pitifully weak here and I'mnot very good in this area.
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So it's just like you said,admitting those, and people love
to hear your first, yourfrustrations and your failures.
Eric Heidrich (16:35):
Absolutely, when you were talking about writing
your book.
It reminds me that I think alot of people out there
especially people listening tothis show have aspirations,
things that they want to achieve, things that they want to do.
It might not be writing a book,but it might be starting a
business, it might be designingsome sort of thing, it might be
traveling, it might be being abetter person, a better father,
a better mother, all the things.
When you look at writing a book, that seems like an
astronomically huge thing to do.
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And so writing the book, youkind of looked at it and you
said, okay, it's a big thing.
How do I break it down intosmall bites where I'm just doing
a little bit every day, alittle bit every day to push the
needle?
How do you feel about that interms of people trying to attain
and chase their dreams?
Because that's what this showis about.
It's about really going for thething that you want to do most.
Duane Martinz (17:19):
It is, eric, I agree with you.
Most of us we get bogged downin the big picture.
We know what we want, but it'sthat, how do I get there?
And it's that we try to liveour lives in overwhelm all the
time.
And Amy Porterfield taught mein Digital Course the end
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product just think what can I dotoday to move that needle just
a little bit.
And that's where I say I justwould come down and do the hunt
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and peck on the keyboard andsome days, eric, it'd be 300
words.
But I was here and I showed upfor myself.
And too many of us are afraid ofstarting small.
We want to already be the bighigh selling author and the big
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podcaster and all of this, andwe're afraid of starting small
and going through the mistakes.
And you can't be.
You just have to do the babysteps and chug along a little
bit every day and sometimes youbackslide.
But and you've heard thisbefore Most of us quit too soon,
you give up on yourself or yourdreams too soon, and if you
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just would have went a littlebit farther, you would have
overcome that.
So it is.
It's the baby steps and andit's that trying to do a little
bit every day and I stillstruggle with this in a in a big
way.
I have to write down things ofjust do this four times this
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week.
So in my planner I'll writedown, like right now I'm trying
to do a walking consistently, soI'll put down walk four times
plus.
So if I get my four or morelike last week was five, but I
have to still do the baby stepson many, many, many of my habits
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.
Eric Heidrich (19:33):
Oh, that's perfect.
I mean, I was even thinking, asyou're talking about that, how
you mentioned, we tend tooverload.
I think I look at timesometimes as this like container
, nature doesn't really allowfor a vacuum.
That container will be full,right.
If you just picture a cup, it'salways going to be full, even
when it starts to empty, itfills back up, right?
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So if you have, let's say, yougot an hour every night before
bed, that will fill up withsomething, even if it's just
junk, even if it's a TV videogame.
Duane Martinz (20:05):
it fills, yeah, Eric.
I always say to people that ifyou don't control your time,
someone else will, and that'show your cup gets full and we're
all busy.
I say, even if we're watchingTV, we're busy, and that's the
junk that your cup fills up with.
Eric Heidrich (20:28):
Yeah, absolutely.
Cup fills up with.
Yeah, absolutely, and I thinktoo, like as as um, as doers.
You know, I don't know if we'reall type a, but the people that
really are trying to to fulfillsomething and chase their dream
, chase their aspiration,they're doers and they find this
.
It's called superman syndrome.
I don't know if you've everheard that, but I can do
everything right, I can tackleit all and eventually I think we
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get to a place where it's likeman, we can't always do it all,
sometimes we need a little bitof a break, but I think it's
important too.
And tell me how you feel aboutthis.
But when you do hit your goalsand you hit your four times a
week, you're walking four timesa week.
You hit your writing every dayfor a week.
You're walking four times aweek.
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You hit your writing every dayfor a week.
Do you celebrate?
Do you ever take time tocelebrate your wins?
Duane Martinz (21:15):
Yes, but I have to be reminded of that because
so many of us.
That's why, when I listened toyour podcast that you did the
last one that you did where yousaid 46% of people aren't happy
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I believe that that's becausewe're always striving for these
things and then when we do reachthem, we don't celebrate, we
automatically go to the nextthing and you don't take time to
go.
Oh my gosh, I did that.
Even if it's a small thing, wetend to overlook it and it's no
big thing.
And then boom, you're on to thenext thing and you don't take
that time to internalize of howgood you are and what you just
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did, whether it's a small,little thing or not.
And sometimes I have to bereminded of that as well and do
do something small.
Or or say once I accomplishthis little task, even if it's a
little one, then I can and godo something that's enjoyable.
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I can go fishing, or I can dothis or that, you know know.
So, yeah, we need to take timeto celebrate because, um that if
you keep moving that finishline and never celebrate along
the way you'll, you'll neverachieve that joy that you were
talking about in your lastpodcast.
Eric Heidrich (22:45):
Yeah, I listened to a lot of people, and one of
them's, matthew McConaughey, aswild as it sounds, but he says
earn your Saturdays, earn yourSaturdays.
So you put it on a certain, ona certain timeline.
This, once I achieve this thing, once I do this thing, that's
when I get to go do thatpleasure.
And so it's a pleasure rewardsystem.
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Right, it's like it's liketraining a dog.
You can't always be negative,negative, negative and yelling
like no, don't do this and yes,do that.
You've got to give them thetreat so that they know Same
with our brains, we're not muchdifferent, right?
Duane Martinz (23:19):
That's so true.
Eric Heidrich (23:21):
We need that reward system.
Like good job, Duane.
You did what you said you weregoing to do.
Now here's that treat, if youwill.
Duane Martinz (23:34):
And you know something else for me.
I don't know about you, but Ithrive off of a check mark too.
Oh yeah, I I talk about in myit.
I, in my keynote, I ask peopleif they use to-do lists and I
most people raise their hand.
I said the cool thing about ato-do list is you make it on
monday and that sucker is stillgood on friday because you just
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keep adding to it.
And then then I I pare it downand I ask him to admit by a show
of hands that how many of youmight do something that is not
on your list.
Then you put it on your list sothat you can check it off your
list.
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And I said oh, I am so guilty ofthat because those little check
marks give me satisfaction.
I don't know if anyone elsefeels that way, but works for me
, I've got some right here.
Eric Heidrich (24:27):
I don't know if you can see on the screen, I've
got check marks for the thingsthat I've yeah, to knock it off.
It feels good to cross it, yeahyou get to look back and say I
did that.
You know that's something.
Duane Martinz (24:37):
Yes I accomplished for me.
That is part of thatcelebration that we talked about
earlier of, of that check markcan do a lot for me yeah.
Eric Heidrich (24:48):
Yeah, that's a good point.
I didn't even really think ofthat.
Duane Martinz (24:59):
This is the Brain Teaser segment, where we put
your thinking skills to the testand challenge your mind with
puzzles and riddles.
So grab your thinking cap andlet's go cap and let's go All
right.
Eric Heidrich (25:16):
Welcome back to the Brain Teaser segment.
Now.
The reason for this part of theshow is to just have a little
bit of fun and also to exercisethat creativity muscle to help
you think outside of the box alittle bit.
So here's how this works.
I'm going to tell you a brainteaser and give you a little bit
of time to think about theanswer.
Try to really think about ittoo and see if you can get the
answer yourself.
If you need to just hit pauseon this episode and take some
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time to think about it, Then hitplay and see if you got the
answer right.
Remember, what we're trying todo here is work on creativity.
All right, here's the firstquestion what is yours, but
everybody else uses it?
What is yours, but everybodyelse uses it?
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Here comes the answer your name.
All right.
Next question what has a lot ofkeys but can't open a lock?
What has a lot of keys butcan't open a lock?
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Here comes the answer A piano.
All right, last question, andthis one's a little bit
different A cowboy rides intotown on Friday.
He stays for two nights andthen leaves on Friday.
How is this possible?
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A cowboy rides into town onFriday, stays for two nights and
leaves on Friday.
How is this possible?
Here comes the answer.
The horse's name is Friday.
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I know that one's a little bittricky.
That's the end of the questions.
Hopefully you had a little bitof fun, and if you didn't quite
get any of them, that's allright, because we're going to
try again on the next episode.
Let's get back to the message,One of the other things that I
want to ask you about.
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I saw, when I was doing alittle more research, that you
quote scripture.
So you're you're a man of faith, yes, which I am as well, and
I'm curious how that plays outin your day-to-day life as far
as faith goes.
Duane Martinz (27:40):
Oh my, yeah, thank you for asking that.
Well, one of the things that Ido is I start every morning with
some scripture and I just usethe YouVersion Bible app and I
thrive on remember I just toldyou I love check marks and those
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little feelings ofaccomplishment.
So in this app it tracks yourdaily refresh.
That you do and I am actuallyI'm a numbers guy.
So 966 days I've never missed aday in this Bible app and it
just gives you a very quickscripture, a little two to three
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minute video explaining it andit's.
And then I have five prayers inthere that come up, they rotate
every day, that I actually wrotefor me to be the kind of person
that that I want to be and I Ijust can't think of a more
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powerful day to to start yourday than going through some of
those.
So here is one for me that Iwrote on fear and it comes up
every week.
It says God, there are a lot ofthings I'm afraid of.
Please help me to work throughthese things, please give me
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confidence that you are with meand will protect me.
And then I have one for peace.
It's just says God, please letyour peace fill my life and
guard every aspect of who I am,no matter what goes on around me
.
Allow me to find rest in youand your promises.
And but, eric, I have five ofthese.
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That of these that they're justpowerful, because it reminds me
that I need the strength fromfrom somewhere else to get
through my day so that I can bethe kind of person that I want
to be.
And that's one of the bigprayers that I have every single
day is to use me for somethinggreater than myself.
(29:48):
So that's the way I start theday, and and that habit just
serves me so well because itkeeps me, it gives me direction
for the day.
Eric Heidrich (30:03):
Yeah, I'm just going back in time throughout
history.
How I used to start my day, andit was.
I was more of a I would say, avictim of circumstance than I
was a purposeful person tryingto make my day.
My day would make me if thatmakes sense.
I would wake up and it was atrain wreck, Duane.
(30:24):
I would wake up and let's say,I got to get to work at seven,
I'm getting up at 630 and I'mshoving food in my face, just
rinsing off real quickly, andthen you know, if I had a, I
didn't at the time, you know,wasn't married or whatever when
I was in the air force, but justrush out the door and then when
I was married, it was the same,but I was basically like, oh
(30:45):
yeah, babe, see you later, loveyou, bye, and day after day
after day.
That's how I started it andthat's about how I'd end it too,
and I think that, um, I wouldbet a lot of people can relate
and it's like it just starts youoff on a a weak foundation.
Yes, the whole day is chaoswhen it starts like that so how
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did you transition into what youdo now?
Duane Martinz (31:11):
where did your change come from?
Eric Heidrich (31:14):
you know, that's a good question and it it came
from starting to read thescripture every morning,
starting a new, starting what Icall a new path or a new habit
of the of the mind, as you know,where we first make our habits
and then our habits make us, andso I had this habit of it was a
poor habit of waking up late,rushing through the day, getting
(31:35):
to work and repeat, but itstarted when I was, when I
started to really go into thispersonal development, and I
found that we're influenced byeverything we look at, and so
that that means TV, that meanssocial media, all of these
things, and I was finding, man,there's so much conflicting
things that are confusing.
(31:56):
The news says this uh, the, the, uh.
Social media says this, all theopinions of everybody are
conflicting and fighting.
And I was like man, there'sgotta be some truth somewhere,
and I only find it in scripture.
Yes, it's the only place I canfind real, authentic truth about
how, how we can live to bepeaceful and purposeful.
(32:18):
Yeah, that's wow good for you.
What a find, huh oh man right,it was there all along I.
Always we had these big dustybible, the big old like I.
I've always known about it,just never cracked it yeah,
never opened it.
Duane Martinz (32:36):
Yeah, so I one of the other ones I I read every
day.
It says I know nothing'simpossible for you, but
sometimes I struggle to believeit.
Please help my unbelief.
Do impossible things in theworld around me and use me in
the process.
Give me the courage to boldlyask you for what I need and to
trust you as I wait for you toanswer me.
(32:58):
Strengthen my faith by showinghow you make impossible things
possible.
And yeah, it's powerful, eric,I'm glad you stumbled onto that.
Eric Heidrich (33:11):
Yeah, and as, like we talked about earlier, it
doesn't mean that we're perfectwe're far from it but I think
it's a good step in the rightdirection.
Yes, to bring peace in ourlives, absolutely All right.
So I want to know a little bitabout your experience on the
road to entrepreneurship and anysort of advice that you might
(33:34):
have for listeners who arethinking of going that route.
You had told me that prior tothis, you were driving a lot for
a company, and can you explainwhat that was like for you to
jump ship from your job to gointo entrepreneurship?
Duane Martinz (33:52):
Yes, actually that was God-inspired as well.
Retirement wasn't on my radarthat much and I had nearly lost
my wife for a second time due toa medical reason, way back
after we had our first child.
I rushed her to the hospital,which we were in Yellowstone and
(34:14):
lived an hour away, and I gother there and they did an
emergency surgery and said ifyou would have waited 20 more
minutes we couldn't have savedher.
Well then, fast forward to fouryears ago.
She had retired from federallaw enforcement and she had a
major back surgery during COVID.
(34:35):
The back surgery was a smashingsuccess, but she developed a
pulmonary embolism in her heartand that usually kills you on
the spot, and she made itthrough that in seven days.
And I I joked with her.
I said it's no dang wonder whyI'm bald.
I said you quit trying to checkout on me.
(34:56):
So I did was you know, that'swhen I.
That's was really the drive toleave my work and I had already
done.
The book was already written, Ihadn't done a course.
Yet my, my public speakingbusiness still isn't as often as
(35:17):
I would like it to be.
And, eric, to be honest withyou there's sometimes I get too
comfortable where I'm at,because we do have income coming
in.
It's sometimes harder for me tostrive when I know well I would
rather I struggle with the samethings everyone else does.
I would rather be doing thisthan sitting down here, creating
(35:42):
my membership that I wastelling you about, or getting
ready.
I need to get ready to relaunchmy course, living your Greatest
Life Possible in January, andit's still a struggle for me.
That's where I have to take thebaby steps of just do this
today, just, and then.
What normally happens for me is, once I get in motion towards
(36:07):
doing that, working towards thatgoal, well then it's easy to
turn that 15 to 20 minutes into45 minutes to an hour and you're
working longer.
So I still struggle with that.
Entrepreneurship, and here's mybiggest struggle.
In all honesty, I don't thinkof it often enough as a business
(36:28):
.
I think of it more as a hobby,where I'll get to that, I'll get
to that.
I'll get to that.
Where, if I had to go to workfor me every single day and knew
that my job was on the line,then I think I'd get more.
Okay, I gotta get this done orI'm gonna fire me.
(36:48):
So, so that's where I Istruggle with that, if sometimes
I'll even write down.
I do a lot of journaling and alot of daily prompts and a lot
of affirmations and I'm likejust quit thinking of this as a
hobby and turn it into abusiness and just do a little
bit every day thataccountability that's huge, huge
(37:12):
.
Eric Heidrich (37:14):
And if you're like me or Duane, it sounds like
a lot of us struggle with thatpersonal accountability If no
one's holding us accountable,like at the job right.
If you don't show up to your job, your boss, whatever's going to
happen, it's going to fire you.
You're accountable the speakingand writing.
(37:38):
You've got to hold yourselfaccountable or you need somebody
else to do it, and I thinkthat's where the coaching thing
comes in.
I've personally hired myselfseveral coaches and it's like
you'll never reap the benefitsof spending money quite like you
will, on your own personaldevelopment.
I don't know if that's beenyour experience, but spending
money on yourself for yourdevelopment is huge, so hiring a
(38:01):
coach is amazing.
Duane Martinz (38:03):
Well, that perfect.
Saying that, eric, becausethat's the only way I got this
book done is is I hired a coach.
And had I not been financiallycommitted?
So I'm very I call it cheap,frugal, don't know what, but
(38:23):
when I was financially committedand it was a lot of money to
hire Patrick to me it was tosome it wouldn't be but to ask
my family to take money out ofour accounts to do this.
I needed that accountability, Ineeded to follow up.
So that was the best thing thathappened for me because if you
(38:46):
pay, then you pay attention.
And that's what happened to mewith the book was I was
financial committed and it was alot of money.
And I needed to see thisthrough because, just like many
of your listeners, I've beenguilty.
I'll buy a program, I'll buy abook, I'll buy a something, and
(39:06):
most of us never finish thebooks we buy.
We don't finish reading them,and I'm guilty of that as well.
But with this I was like, oh,this is a huge commitment, I
need to be accountable to me andto my family and see this
through.
So it was that investment inmyself that helped me get the
(39:28):
book done.
Eric Heidrich (39:30):
You got skin in the game, that's yes wow,
absolutely, when you're sittingon the sideline watching someone
play.
You got no skin in the game,but when it's your butt on the
line, there's another saying tooshow me where your money is and
I'll show you where yourpriorities are.
Duane Martinz (39:45):
Yeah, you got that right.
Eric Heidrich (39:47):
When your money's in the game, that's.
Duane Martinz (39:50):
when you're in the game, that's why I got my
online course done.
I purchased Amy Porterfield'sDigital Course Academy and again
Eric.
To me and in my world it was alot of money and I'm like I got
to see this through, I got tofinish this and I did.
(40:11):
And when I look back at thatI'm like I don't know how I did
that because so much of thattech and everything is so over
my head, uh, but just did thework, did the work, did the work
a little bit every day, didn'tget in overwhelmed mode like she
.
She taught us and lo and behold, I the work, I trusted the
(40:36):
process and I have a digitalcourse, you know.
So the same way, I got the bookdone.
Eric Heidrich (40:42):
Awesome.
So then with that course you dolife coaching, if I'm not
mistaken.
So if our listeners wanted somecoaching services, where would
they go to find that?
Duane Martinz (40:53):
Well, if you go to duanemartinz.
com, the book is on forwardslash book and then I have a
free resource out there that'sforward slash tips and that's
one giant way.
You can get a free PDF downloadto how to jumpstart your day
and it's basically it's how toincrease your happiness and
(41:17):
self-confidence for the start ofevery day.
But just reach out to me ordirect message me on on social
media.
I do have a coaching program.
So my low tier would be thebook.
It's fifteen dollars.
You can get it for me, whereI'll sign up for you, or Amazon,
get it for me, where I'll signit for you, or Amazon.
(41:40):
Then the course.
That's my mid tier and then thecoaching would be the the
higher tier.
So I don't do many coachingpeople a year because it takes a
it takes a while.
Eric Heidrich (41:51):
Yes, yeah, real quick.
I want to go back just brieflyto a small tier uh book
Phenomenal Reviews.
So anybody listening yeah, it'scalled Becoming your Own
Champion.
You can find it through hiswebsite, which I'll restate and
I'll put in the links.
But Phenomenal Reviews.
So that's not just something tojust glaze over.
Oh, you know, that's my small,that's a big feat.
(42:13):
So anyone that's serious aboutbecoming better, that's a good
resource for you.
One of my favorite other quotesI'm full of quotes, I swear
it's like a mask cut to my head.
It says if you want more inyour life, you need to become
more.
If you want more, you need tobecome more.
And I think it's important toknow it's okay to want more, in
(42:36):
fact it's good.
It's a good thing to aspire,but you have to.
It comes with action, and agood piece of action is get that
book and get started.
Well, thank you.
Duane Martinz (42:45):
And I always tell people it's better to be green
and growing than to be ripe androtten.
And I'm sure that's a Zieglerthing.
I mean that guy has shaped mylife to who I am.
But yeah, I'd love for peopleto read the book and I do have a
lot of very positive reviews.
(43:05):
There's people that know mesaid it's like me sitting on
their shoulder listening to me.
Yeah, I did tell the editor.
I said you've got to keep me inthe book.
Eric Heidrich (43:18):
Yeah yeah, the the editor.
I said you've got to keep me inthe book.
Yeah yeah, the personalitythat's huge.
Duane Martinz (43:22):
And if they, do order it directly through me.
I usually pray that I write theright words in the cover of the
book to touch someone andbecause sometimes that may be
all that they read is the part,Because sometimes that may be
all that they read is the partof it.
And I've had some verywonderful success stories on
(43:46):
just what was written in thefront cover and at a time or two
I've had people call me and saywhat did you write?
Because she called in tearsabout something that you said.
So a lot of times, like I wasjust at a speaking event in
(44:06):
Madison, Wisconsin, and I signedsome books there, and one of
the people who received one ofmy free books last year was at
that event and he read the coverof what I wrote in the book to
him.
So I know that's god inspiredas well.
I just pray for whoever I'msending it to, to make a
difference for them.
Eric Heidrich (44:22):
That's awesome, like authentic too, like a real,
yeah, yeah, you, you, that's,that's really great um with,
with misspelling and everythingyeah, you have to google some of
those words.
Huh, make sure that they'respelled right.
Well, cool, Duane, just acouple minutes left.
(44:43):
I really appreciate you beinghere, but before we close out, I
just wanted to ask what advicedo you have for people who are
currently doubting themselves,because that's a common thing.
We all go through moments ofthat where we're just struggling
and we can't seem to figure itout and we have doubts.
What would you say to them?
Duane Martinz (45:01):
Yeah, you know, the first thing, eric, that
comes to mind I'm tearing upalready is you got to trust
yourself because you're betterthan you think you are, because
you're better than you think youare and we're our own worst
critic.
And if you just trust yourselfand go with that instinct, and
(45:25):
then it's easy to find theprocess to get to where you want
to go, because there's a lot ofways to get there if it's
whatever it is that you want toachieve, but it's that getting
out of your own way and justallowing yourself to start small
(45:46):
.
Don't be afraid of startingsmall.
But also know that it's likeyou and I talked earlier about
public speaking as many years asI've been doing it I get scared
to death before I get on stage.
Still, and that's okay, and youjust need to be okay with being
scared.
Do it anyway.
(46:08):
There's a book that's over hereby Susan Jeffers.
It's called Feel the Fear andDo it Anyway, and truly just
trust yourself, because theworld has good things in store
for you.
And if you just trust enough totake that first step I think it
was Martin Luther King, maybethat said you don't have to see
(46:29):
the whole stairwell, just takethe first step, and that's the
hardest part of just lettingyourself go and trusting
yourself enough to start.
You've got to start the processin whatever it is that you want
.
So that's the biggest thing isto start.
(46:51):
Phenomenal, yeah, thank you.
Eric Heidrich (46:55):
Yeah, thank you, yeah, phenomenal.
I personally believe that ourbiggest gifts and our purpose is
found behind the wall of fear.
So when you find something thatmakes you scared, there's
something in there that you needto do, and I can't explain why.
(47:15):
I don't know why, but I cantell you that the times I felt
most alive was when I was scaredof doing something and I did it
Right.
All right, Duane, thank you somuch for being with us One last
time.
For our listeners, they canfind you at duanemartins.
com, correct.
Duane M (47:32):
D-U-A-N-E-M-A-R-T-I-N-Z , and also also you can find me
out there in the Facebook world,and I'd love to connect with
you and help you any way that Ican to achieve whatever it is
that you want.
Eric Heidrich (47:50):
Awesome.
All right, Duane, thanks somuch.
Duane Martinz (47:52):
Yeah, buddy, thank you.
This has been wonderful.
Eric Heidrich (48:00):
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Thanks for listening andremember dream with courage,
chase with faith.
What advice do you have for people who are
currently doubting themselves?
Right, because that's a commonthing.
We all go through moments ofthat where we're just struggling
and we can't seem to figure itout and we have doubts.
What would you say to them?
Duane Martinz (00:13):
You've got to trust yourself because you're
better than you think you areand we're our own worst critic
and if you just trust yourselfand go with that instinct, and
then it's that getting out ofyour own way and allowing
yourself to start small.
Don't be afraid of startingsmall, but also know that it's
(00:37):
like you and I talked earlierabout public speaking as many
years as I've been doing it Iget scared to death before I get
on stage still, and that's okay, and you just need to be okay
with being scared.
Do it anyway.
Eric Heidrich (01:00):
Welcome to the Dream Chasers Show.
Our mission is to inspire andimprove the lives of those who
dare to chase their dreams.
Here's your host, eric Heidren.
Hey guys, welcome back to theDream Chaser Show, where our
mission is to inspire andimprove the lives of those who
(01:21):
dare to chase their dreams.
Now, in this episode, I had theopportunity to interview a man
who I've come to truly respectand admire.
His name's Duane Martinz, andhe's an author, he's a life
coach and he's an internationalpublic speaker.
And how I met him was through agroup called the Toastmasters.
Now, if you're not familiarwith them, basically what it is
(01:43):
is it's a group of individualsthat get together and practice
public speaking.
So I was at this Toastmastersmeeting for the very first time.
I had no idea what to expectand really nervous.
Well, anyway, I show up and Isit down and there was probably
maybe 10 people at thisparticular meeting and this guy
(02:04):
gets up and it was Duane, whom Ididn't know at the time.
But he gets up and he startsspeaking and he's just knocking
it out of the park.
I mean, he's doing fantasticlike with hardly any ahs and ums
, and he doesn't seem nervous atall for about 15 to 20 minutes
at this point.
But his speech is so compelling.
He's telling stories and he'sjust drawing me in.
(02:27):
I'm like mesmerized by this guyand I'm just thinking like, oh
my goodness, I don't think Icould ever do that.
I'm terrified to even be upthere and speak for like 10
seconds.
Well then he's telling us aboutthis book that he had written.
It's called Becoming your OwnChampion and he's holding it up
and showing it to everybody.
As he's explaining kind of whathe went through in his life and
what brought him to write thisbook, and at one moment he looks
(02:50):
out to us and he says so, whowants to take that next step?
And he's kind of holding thebook out for someone to come
take.
And I'm thinking like, oh, thisis just part of a speech, you
know he's not actually asking usand he repeats himself.
He goes who wants to take thatnext step?
And he holds the book out andI'm like, without even thinking,
I jump up and I said I do.
(03:11):
And he's like awesome, come onup here.
So I'm walking up around thesepeople I've never met in my life
and I'm thinking, did I justbreak some rules or something?
I have no clue, but he shakesmy hand and he asks for my name
and then he hands me the bookand he signed it and everything,
and he finished his speech andall that.
So I still have this book.
(03:32):
It's called Becoming your OwnChampion.
Well then, later that evening Ifind out he's a professional
speaker and he's an author,obviously, and he's a life coach
.
So he's an incredible guy.
So just recently I reached outto him and I asked if he
wouldn't mind coming on the showand telling us his story about
how he became an author and aspeaker.
(03:53):
And he's such a humble guy,he's so down to earth.
So I really enjoyed thisinterview and I know you will
too.
So let's just dive on in andget to it.
Duane, thanks so much for beingwith us here today.
Duane Martinz (04:06):
Absolutely.
I was stoked to get yourmessage, so thank you for having
me.
Eric Heidrich (04:11):
Yeah, absolutely so, Duane.
Our show revolves primarilyaround two main things it's
faith and it's personaldevelopment.
And I've been following you fora while now and I've been kind
of watching some of the stuffthat you're going through and
I'm just curious can you tell usa little bit about your journey
through personal developmentand when it all started for you?
Duane Martinz (04:34):
Oh, absolutely.
So.
I used to live in YellowstonePark, work out in Montana, and I
was in college at Montana StateUniversity and I never knew in
school how to study, how to be agood student, any of that.
And when I got to Montana StateI found a room that they had
(04:57):
there and it was called the PeakPerformance Center and it was
no bigger than my office here,which is pretty small, but it
was chocked full of back thencassette tapes if anyone
remembers what a cassette tapeis Chocked full of cassette
programs from some of thegreatest minds that ever lived.
(05:18):
And that's where I really gotinto personal growth.
Personal development was.
I turned my car into what ZigZiglar coined the phrase of an
automobile university and Istarted listening to those tapes
as I was driving.
And as I was driving andlistening to the tapes, the
tapes were driving me and theywere taking me to a new place
(05:42):
and they opened my mind to whatwas possible out there.
And I used to have a box thatwould have a hundred cassette
tapes in it and I would listento those and I still have a lot
of Zig Ziglar programs and hewould challenge you on those six
cassettes to listen to thewhole program once and then
(06:04):
listen to each cassette tape six, uh, seven times before you
moved on to the next one.
Oh and I'm like, well, I'm outhere driving 208 miles a day.
I have the time.
I was naive enough to push playand and I just it.
It just became a part of me ofloving that whole personal
(06:25):
growth.
Eric Heidrich (06:27):
And that travel time that was for your job
primarily.
Right, you were driving a lotfor work, Correct?
Yeah, so in essence, if I'mhearing this right because this
is, it's, kind of similar towhat I've gone through in the
past was we have a lot of thistime where we're driving or
we're commuting.
We're either commuting, we'resitting on our butts, right.
Not doing much, and it'sperfect time for that, for that
(06:51):
growth oh my gosh.
Duane Martinz (06:54):
I love it.
Now, of course, we havepodcasts.
Most vehicles don't even have acassette or CD player in them,
so I hammer podcasts andaudiobooks, just listening to
them constantly.
When I'm at the Y I try to getsomething good in me every day
if I can, and it is so easy tolisten to an audiobook.
(07:17):
You can get four or fivechapters in when you drive from
here to Rapid City, which is anhour away, and then I can hear
them many times.
Like most of the audio books Ihave in Audible I've listened to
at least a half a dozen timesand then it finally sinks in
after I hear it that many times.
(07:38):
So I love that opportunity togrow like that.
Eric Heidrich (07:42):
We humans, we're I hesitate to use the word
stubborn, but we're hardheaded.
We have habits of thinking andhabits of doing, and you have to
hear and see and do thingsseveral times before it creates
a new pathway of thinking.
Duane Martinz (07:58):
So absolutely, and that's why Ziegler went to
challenge you to listen to eachCD seven times, because then it
became a part of you and youcould internalize it, and so I
loved that.
Eric Heidrich (08:12):
That's phenomenal .
Yeah, scripture talks about howthe word is God and God is the
word, and I know that inscripture no word is wasted.
There's nothing written inthere that doesn't mean
something.
So it's very powerful, the word, and when you're able to listen
to a book or an audio from theauthentic author, they'll
(08:35):
emphasize certain words, they'llre-say it.
They'll re-say a sentence threetimes slower each time until it
sinks, because the word ispowerful, versus if you're just
reading the book.
Duane Martinz (08:47):
You might just skip through it just because
you're trying to get in a hurry.
Yeah, you're right, eric,absolutely that's powerful.
Eric Heidrich (08:55):
Um so, duane you, you're an author.
The book that you wrote iscalled becoming your own
champion, and'm curious whatinspired you to write that book.
Duane Martinz (09:06):
Well, wow, thank you for this.
Hopefully I can make it throughwithout my eyes waking, because
it was a dream of mine to.
After all of those years sincethe mid 1980s when I started
this personal growth path, Ialways just had that little
thing in my heart saying maybesomeday someone will be
(09:30):
listening to me or reading mybook or hearing me speak.
But, eric, I didn't know how todo any of that.
I tell people all the time ifyou knew me, you would know I
was the last person that youthought ever would have, could
have or should have written abook.
And it's I believe it's a Godthing.
(09:52):
It's all God inspired.
Because I went to a seminar inRapid City.
It's called Days of Excellence.
They've done it for 11 or 12years now.
One of the speakers there wasnamed Patrick Snow and he wasn't
there for this reason, butwhile he stood on stage he said
that if you've ever had thedream to write a book and if
(10:14):
you've ever wanted to write abook, he said, I'll coach you
through the process.
And there was just enough of aconnection between him and I,
because I was a Montana kid andhe talked about going to the
University of Montana for a yearor a semester or something, and
I thought that was enoughconnection for me to know this
(10:36):
guy was real.
I visited with him after hisseminar and we talked on the
phone for 90 minutes and I justtrusted the process that he
could take me through, and so Ibrought him on as a coach and we
coached every single week and Ihad the manuscript done in
(10:57):
about seven months and the bookwas completed in my hand the day
before the next year's Day ofExcellence.
In fact, I went back to thatDay of Excellence the next year
and the emcee held my book up infront of 1,400 people and he
said some of you come to thisseminar thinking you know it's a
(11:21):
day off, I don't have to be atwork, he said, but some of you
come and you hear a message thatresonates.
And he said last Duane Martinzwent home and he wrote a book
that just came off the pressyesterday, and so that was an
amazing accomplishment for me.
The other thing that it did forme, eric, was I was afraid of
(11:45):
dying with my music still in me.
Eric Heidrich (11:48):
I was going to ask you about that quote.
Duane Martinz (11:50):
Yep, and this takes that away.
You know, if something was tohappen to me today with my
speeches, with this book andwith the online course, I'm at
least using some of the giftsthat God gave me.
And when I talk about it beingGod inspired, I was the slowest
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typer you can imagine.
I didn't even know how to runMicrosoft Word.
I had to have my coach teach meand I'm sure he's just smacking
his forehead going.
Where did I get this guy from?
But I had to watch a two and ahalf hour tutorial on YouTube on
how to use Microsoft Word and Inever one time had writer's
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block and I would keep tellingmy wife.
I said I don't know if any ofthis is worthy of a book, but
when this stack of sticky notesand thoughts and ideas from all
these years are on this side,I'll be done writing.
And Patrick taught me to have adecent sized book.
You want 50,000 words was thegoal, and I remember running up
(12:54):
the stairs and announcing to myfamily that I just hit 50,004
words.
But I wasn't finished yet andthe book ended up being over
70,000 words and I told Nancy.
I said I'll let the editorsdecide what's worthy, and they
cut about 18,000 words out, andso it was just a phenomenal
(13:20):
process.
So in the book I I tell peopleand I really, really mean this
that if I can do this, you coulddo it better, faster and more
efficient than I did, becauseyou're so far ahead of the curve
, you know, so I try toencourage anyone that has a book
(13:42):
in them that the world needsyour message and to just get and
literally, if I can do it, youcan do it better and faster All
right.
Eric Heidrich (13:53):
So, duane, you brought up a lot of things that
I want to unpack during thatconversation, which is
phenomenal.
Your first thing that caught myattention was when you said the
speaker who inspired you wasreal.
He was authentic.
There was something about him,just the fact that he connected
with you from the school youwent to the same school how that
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authenticity is what got youthe fact that he wasn't this
perfect person.
I think a lot of times withpersonal development there can
be kind of this soapbox feel youshould be doing this, you
should be living this way, and alot of times when I'm giving my
messages, I'm like we're human,I mean, even the best person in
the world that's doing the bestthing, that's maybe doing
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something we want to achieve.
We tend to tell ourselves Idon't have that in me because
I'm not like that person.
Duane Martinz (14:47):
Right, and in your opinion, how, how important
is it to just just be real,even about our shortcomings and
Well, you have to be there's noway to not be and have people
listen to you, because I I thinkpeople are smart and they can
see right through that.
(15:08):
I mean you and I can tell whensomeone's just uh saying
something that just isn't isn'ttrue.
And in public speaking, one ofthe things that helps you
connect better with youraudience is to tell your your
your firsts and yourfrustrations, because then
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they're going oh my gosh, he'sreal, he suffers with the same
thing, he has the same mistakes.
I do, and a lot of times.
So, eric, there was a three-yearperiod where I send out a post
every single day on Facebook,just trying to put some good out
in the world.
I never missed one day forthree years, and many of the
(15:50):
times when I would start myvideo, I would tell them that I
need this message more than youdo, and here I'm the guy that's
given the message.
But I'm admitting I need thistoday.
I need help in this area.
I'm pitifully weak here and I'mnot very good in this area.
(16:11):
So it's just like you said,admitting those, and people love
to hear your first, yourfrustrations and your failures.
Eric Heidrich (16:35):
Absolutely, when you were talking about writing
your book.
It reminds me that I think alot of people out there
especially people listening tothis show have aspirations,
things that they want to achieve, things that they want to do.
It might not be writing a book,but it might be starting a
business, it might be designingsome sort of thing, it might be
traveling, it might be being abetter person, a better father,
a better mother, all the things.
When you look at writing a book, that seems like an
astronomically huge thing to do.
(16:56):
And so writing the book, youkind of looked at it and you
said, okay, it's a big thing.
How do I break it down intosmall bites where I'm just doing
a little bit every day, alittle bit every day to push the
needle?
How do you feel about that interms of people trying to attain
and chase their dreams?
Because that's what this showis about.
It's about really going for thething that you want to do most.
Duane Martinz (17:19):
It is, eric, I agree with you.
Most of us we get bogged downin the big picture.
We know what we want, but it'sthat, how do I get there?
And it's that we try to liveour lives in overwhelm all the
time.
And Amy Porterfield taught mein Digital Course the end
(17:40):
product just think what can I dotoday to move that needle just
a little bit.
And that's where I say I justwould come down and do the hunt
(18:04):
and peck on the keyboard andsome days, eric, it'd be 300
words.
But I was here and I showed upfor myself.
And too many of us are afraid ofstarting small.
We want to already be the bighigh selling author and the big
(18:24):
podcaster and all of this, andwe're afraid of starting small
and going through the mistakes.
And you can't be.
You just have to do the babysteps and chug along a little
bit every day and sometimes youbackslide.
But and you've heard thisbefore Most of us quit too soon,
you give up on yourself or yourdreams too soon, and if you
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just would have went a littlebit farther, you would have
overcome that.
So it is.
It's the baby steps and andit's that trying to do a little
bit every day and I stillstruggle with this in a in a big
way.
I have to write down things ofjust do this four times this
(19:10):
week.
So in my planner I'll writedown, like right now I'm trying
to do a walking consistently, soI'll put down walk four times
plus.
So if I get my four or morelike last week was five, but I
have to still do the baby stepson many, many, many of my habits
(19:32):
.
Eric Heidrich (19:33):
Oh, that's perfect.
I mean, I was even thinking, asyou're talking about that, how
you mentioned, we tend tooverload.
I think I look at timesometimes as this like container
, nature doesn't really allowfor a vacuum.
That container will be full,right.
If you just picture a cup, it'salways going to be full, even
when it starts to empty, itfills back up, right?
(19:56):
So if you have, let's say, yougot an hour every night before
bed, that will fill up withsomething, even if it's just
junk, even if it's a TV videogame.
Duane Martinz (20:05):
it fills, yeah, Eric.
I always say to people that ifyou don't control your time,
someone else will, and that'show your cup gets full and we're
all busy.
I say, even if we're watchingTV, we're busy, and that's the
junk that your cup fills up with.
Eric Heidrich (20:28):
Yeah, absolutely.
Cup fills up with.
Yeah, absolutely, and I thinktoo, like as as um, as doers.
You know, I don't know if we'reall type a, but the people that
really are trying to to fulfillsomething and chase their dream
, chase their aspiration,they're doers and they find this
.
It's called superman syndrome.
I don't know if you've everheard that, but I can do
everything right, I can tackleit all and eventually I think we
(20:51):
get to a place where it's likeman, we can't always do it all,
sometimes we need a little bitof a break, but I think it's
important too.
And tell me how you feel aboutthis.
But when you do hit your goalsand you hit your four times a
week, you're walking four timesa week.
You hit your writing every dayfor a week.
You're walking four times aweek.
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You hit your writing every dayfor a week.
Do you celebrate?
Do you ever take time tocelebrate your wins?
Duane Martinz (21:15):
Yes, but I have to be reminded of that because
so many of us.
That's why, when I listened toyour podcast that you did the
last one that you did where yousaid 46% of people aren't happy
(21:38):
I believe that that's becausewe're always striving for these
things and then when we do reachthem, we don't celebrate, we
automatically go to the nextthing and you don't take time to
go.
Oh my gosh, I did that.
Even if it's a small thing, wetend to overlook it and it's no
big thing.
And then boom, you're on to thenext thing and you don't take
that time to internalize of howgood you are and what you just
(22:03):
did, whether it's a small,little thing or not.
And sometimes I have to bereminded of that as well and do
do something small.
Or or say once I accomplishthis little task, even if it's a
little one, then I can and godo something that's enjoyable.
(22:25):
I can go fishing, or I can dothis or that, you know know.
So, yeah, we need to take timeto celebrate because, um that if
you keep moving that finishline and never celebrate along
the way you'll, you'll neverachieve that joy that you were
talking about in your lastpodcast.
Eric Heidrich (22:45):
Yeah, I listened to a lot of people, and one of
them's, matthew McConaughey, aswild as it sounds, but he says
earn your Saturdays, earn yourSaturdays.
So you put it on a certain, ona certain timeline.
This, once I achieve this thing, once I do this thing, that's
when I get to go do thatpleasure.
And so it's a pleasure rewardsystem.
(23:05):
Right, it's like it's liketraining a dog.
You can't always be negative,negative, negative and yelling
like no, don't do this and yes,do that.
You've got to give them thetreat so that they know Same
with our brains, we're not muchdifferent, right?
Duane Martinz (23:19):
That's so true.
Eric Heidrich (23:21):
We need that reward system.
Like good job, Duane.
You did what you said you weregoing to do.
Now here's that treat, if youwill.
Duane Martinz (23:34):
And you know something else for me.
I don't know about you, but Ithrive off of a check mark too.
Oh yeah, I I talk about in myit.
I, in my keynote, I ask peopleif they use to-do lists and I
most people raise their hand.
I said the cool thing about ato-do list is you make it on
monday and that sucker is stillgood on friday because you just
(23:54):
keep adding to it.
And then then I I pare it downand I ask him to admit by a show
of hands that how many of youmight do something that is not
on your list.
Then you put it on your list sothat you can check it off your
list.
(24:15):
And I said oh, I am so guilty ofthat because those little check
marks give me satisfaction.
I don't know if anyone elsefeels that way, but works for me
, I've got some right here.
Eric Heidrich (24:27):
I don't know if you can see on the screen, I've
got check marks for the thingsthat I've yeah, to knock it off.
It feels good to cross it, yeahyou get to look back and say I
did that.
You know that's something.
Duane Martinz (24:37):
Yes I accomplished for me.
That is part of thatcelebration that we talked about
earlier of, of that check markcan do a lot for me yeah.
Eric Heidrich (24:48):
Yeah, that's a good point.
I didn't even really think ofthat.
Duane Martinz (24:59):
This is the Brain Teaser segment, where we put
your thinking skills to the testand challenge your mind with
puzzles and riddles.
So grab your thinking cap andlet's go cap and let's go All
right.
Eric Heidrich (25:16):
Welcome back to the Brain Teaser segment.
Now.
The reason for this part of theshow is to just have a little
bit of fun and also to exercisethat creativity muscle to help
you think outside of the box alittle bit.
So here's how this works.
I'm going to tell you a brainteaser and give you a little bit
of time to think about theanswer.
Try to really think about ittoo and see if you can get the
answer yourself.
If you need to just hit pauseon this episode and take some
(25:37):
time to think about it, Then hitplay and see if you got the
answer right.
Remember, what we're trying todo here is work on creativity.
All right, here's the firstquestion what is yours, but
everybody else uses it?
What is yours, but everybodyelse uses it?
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Here comes the answer your name.
All right.
Next question what has a lot ofkeys but can't open a lock?
What has a lot of keys butcan't open a lock?
(26:24):
Here comes the answer A piano.
All right, last question, andthis one's a little bit
different A cowboy rides intotown on Friday.
He stays for two nights andthen leaves on Friday.
How is this possible?
(26:45):
A cowboy rides into town onFriday, stays for two nights and
leaves on Friday.
How is this possible?
Here comes the answer.
The horse's name is Friday.
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I know that one's a little bittricky.
That's the end of the questions.
Hopefully you had a little bitof fun, and if you didn't quite
get any of them, that's allright, because we're going to
try again on the next episode.
Let's get back to the message,One of the other things that I
want to ask you about.
(27:27):
I saw, when I was doing alittle more research, that you
quote scripture.
So you're you're a man of faith, yes, which I am as well, and
I'm curious how that plays outin your day-to-day life as far
as faith goes.
Duane Martinz (27:40):
Oh my, yeah, thank you for asking that.
Well, one of the things that Ido is I start every morning with
some scripture and I just usethe YouVersion Bible app and I
thrive on remember I just toldyou I love check marks and those
(28:00):
little feelings ofaccomplishment.
So in this app it tracks yourdaily refresh.
That you do and I am actuallyI'm a numbers guy.
So 966 days I've never missed aday in this Bible app and it
just gives you a very quickscripture, a little two to three
(28:24):
minute video explaining it andit's.
And then I have five prayers inthere that come up, they rotate
every day, that I actually wrotefor me to be the kind of person
that that I want to be and I Ijust can't think of a more
(28:45):
powerful day to to start yourday than going through some of
those.
So here is one for me that Iwrote on fear and it comes up
every week.
It says God, there are a lot ofthings I'm afraid of.
Please help me to work throughthese things, please give me
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confidence that you are with meand will protect me.
And then I have one for peace.
It's just says God, please letyour peace fill my life and
guard every aspect of who I am,no matter what goes on around me
.
Allow me to find rest in youand your promises.
And but, eric, I have five ofthese.
(29:26):
That of these that they're justpowerful, because it reminds me
that I need the strength fromfrom somewhere else to get
through my day so that I can bethe kind of person that I want
to be.
And that's one of the bigprayers that I have every single
day is to use me for somethinggreater than myself.
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So that's the way I start theday, and and that habit just
serves me so well because itkeeps me, it gives me direction
for the day.
Eric Heidrich (30:03):
Yeah, I'm just going back in time throughout
history.
How I used to start my day, andit was.
I was more of a I would say, avictim of circumstance than I
was a purposeful person tryingto make my day.
My day would make me if thatmakes sense.
I would wake up and it was atrain wreck, Duane.
(30:24):
I would wake up and let's say,I got to get to work at seven,
I'm getting up at 630 and I'mshoving food in my face, just
rinsing off real quickly, andthen you know, if I had a, I
didn't at the time, you know,wasn't married or whatever when
I was in the air force, but justrush out the door and then when
I was married, it was the same,but I was basically like, oh
(30:45):
yeah, babe, see you later, loveyou, bye, and day after day
after day.
That's how I started it andthat's about how I'd end it too,
and I think that, um, I wouldbet a lot of people can relate
and it's like it just starts youoff on a a weak foundation.
Yes, the whole day is chaoswhen it starts like that so how
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did you transition into what youdo now?
Duane Martinz (31:11):
where did your change come from?
Eric Heidrich (31:14):
you know, that's a good question and it it came
from starting to read thescripture every morning,
starting a new, starting what Icall a new path or a new habit
of the of the mind, as you know,where we first make our habits
and then our habits make us, andso I had this habit of it was a
poor habit of waking up late,rushing through the day, getting
(31:35):
to work and repeat, but itstarted when I was, when I
started to really go into thispersonal development, and I
found that we're influenced byeverything we look at, and so
that that means TV, that meanssocial media, all of these
things, and I was finding, man,there's so much conflicting
things that are confusing.
(31:56):
The news says this uh, the, the, uh.
Social media says this, all theopinions of everybody are
conflicting and fighting.
And I was like man, there'sgotta be some truth somewhere,
and I only find it in scripture.
Yes, it's the only place I canfind real, authentic truth about
how, how we can live to bepeaceful and purposeful.
(32:18):
Yeah, that's wow good for you.
What a find, huh oh man right,it was there all along I.
Always we had these big dustybible, the big old like I.
I've always known about it,just never cracked it yeah,
never opened it.
Duane Martinz (32:36):
Yeah, so I one of the other ones I I read every
day.
It says I know nothing'simpossible for you, but
sometimes I struggle to believeit.
Please help my unbelief.
Do impossible things in theworld around me and use me in
the process.
Give me the courage to boldlyask you for what I need and to
trust you as I wait for you toanswer me.
(32:58):
Strengthen my faith by showinghow you make impossible things
possible.
And yeah, it's powerful, eric,I'm glad you stumbled onto that.
Eric Heidrich (33:11):
Yeah, and as, like we talked about earlier, it
doesn't mean that we're perfectwe're far from it but I think
it's a good step in the rightdirection.
Yes, to bring peace in ourlives, absolutely All right.
So I want to know a little bitabout your experience on the
road to entrepreneurship and anysort of advice that you might
(33:34):
have for listeners who arethinking of going that route.
You had told me that prior tothis, you were driving a lot for
a company, and can you explainwhat that was like for you to
jump ship from your job to gointo entrepreneurship?
Duane Martinz (33:52):
Yes, actually that was God-inspired as well.
Retirement wasn't on my radarthat much and I had nearly lost
my wife for a second time due toa medical reason, way back
after we had our first child.
I rushed her to the hospital,which we were in Yellowstone and
(34:14):
lived an hour away, and I gother there and they did an
emergency surgery and said ifyou would have waited 20 more
minutes we couldn't have savedher.
Well then, fast forward to fouryears ago.
She had retired from federallaw enforcement and she had a
major back surgery during COVID.
(34:35):
The back surgery was a smashingsuccess, but she developed a
pulmonary embolism in her heartand that usually kills you on
the spot, and she made itthrough that in seven days.
And I I joked with her.
I said it's no dang wonder whyI'm bald.
I said you quit trying to checkout on me.
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So I did was you know, that'swhen I.
That's was really the drive toleave my work and I had already
done.
The book was already written, Ihadn't done a course.
Yet my, my public speakingbusiness still isn't as often as
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I would like it to be.
And, eric, to be honest withyou there's sometimes I get too
comfortable where I'm at,because we do have income coming
in.
It's sometimes harder for me tostrive when I know well I would
rather I struggle with the samethings everyone else does.
I would rather be doing thisthan sitting down here, creating
(35:42):
my membership that I wastelling you about, or getting
ready.
I need to get ready to relaunchmy course, living your Greatest
Life Possible in January, andit's still a struggle for me.
That's where I have to take thebaby steps of just do this
today, just, and then.
What normally happens for me is, once I get in motion towards
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doing that, working towards thatgoal, well then it's easy to
turn that 15 to 20 minutes into45 minutes to an hour and you're
working longer.
So I still struggle with that.
Entrepreneurship, and here's mybiggest struggle.
In all honesty, I don't thinkof it often enough as a business
(36:28):
.
I think of it more as a hobby,where I'll get to that, I'll get
to that.
I'll get to that.
Where, if I had to go to workfor me every single day and knew
that my job was on the line,then I think I'd get more.
Okay, I gotta get this done orI'm gonna fire me.
(36:48):
So, so that's where I Istruggle with that, if sometimes
I'll even write down.
I do a lot of journaling and alot of daily prompts and a lot
of affirmations and I'm likejust quit thinking of this as a
hobby and turn it into abusiness and just do a little
bit every day thataccountability that's huge, huge
(37:12):
.
Eric Heidrich (37:14):
And if you're like me or Duane, it sounds like
a lot of us struggle with thatpersonal accountability If no
one's holding us accountable,like at the job right.
If you don't show up to your job, your boss, whatever's going to
happen, it's going to fire you.
You're accountable the speakingand writing.
(37:38):
You've got to hold yourselfaccountable or you need somebody
else to do it, and I thinkthat's where the coaching thing
comes in.
I've personally hired myselfseveral coaches and it's like
you'll never reap the benefitsof spending money quite like you
will, on your own personaldevelopment.
I don't know if that's beenyour experience, but spending
money on yourself for yourdevelopment is huge, so hiring a
(38:01):
coach is amazing.
Duane Martinz (38:03):
Well, that perfect.
Saying that, eric, becausethat's the only way I got this
book done is is I hired a coach.
And had I not been financiallycommitted?
So I'm very I call it cheap,frugal, don't know what, but
(38:23):
when I was financially committedand it was a lot of money to
hire Patrick to me it was tosome it wouldn't be but to ask
my family to take money out ofour accounts to do this.
I needed that accountability, Ineeded to follow up.
So that was the best thing thathappened for me because if you
(38:46):
pay, then you pay attention.
And that's what happened to mewith the book was I was
financial committed and it was alot of money.
And I needed to see thisthrough because, just like many
of your listeners, I've beenguilty.
I'll buy a program, I'll buy abook, I'll buy a something, and
(39:06):
most of us never finish thebooks we buy.
We don't finish reading them,and I'm guilty of that as well.
But with this I was like, oh,this is a huge commitment, I
need to be accountable to me andto my family and see this
through.
So it was that investment inmyself that helped me get the
(39:28):
book done.
Eric Heidrich (39:30):
You got skin in the game, that's yes wow,
absolutely, when you're sittingon the sideline watching someone
play.
You got no skin in the game,but when it's your butt on the
line, there's another saying tooshow me where your money is and
I'll show you where yourpriorities are.
Duane Martinz (39:45):
Yeah, you got that right.
Eric Heidrich (39:47):
When your money's in the game, that's.
Duane Martinz (39:50):
when you're in the game, that's why I got my
online course done.
I purchased Amy Porterfield'sDigital Course Academy and again
Eric.
To me and in my world it was alot of money and I'm like I got
to see this through, I got tofinish this and I did.
(40:11):
And when I look back at thatI'm like I don't know how I did
that because so much of thattech and everything is so over
my head, uh, but just did thework, did the work, did the work
a little bit every day, didn'tget in overwhelmed mode like she
.
She taught us and lo and behold, I the work, I trusted the
(40:36):
process and I have a digitalcourse, you know.
So the same way, I got the bookdone.
Eric Heidrich (40:42):
Awesome.
So then with that course you dolife coaching, if I'm not
mistaken.
So if our listeners wanted somecoaching services, where would
they go to find that?
Duane Martinz (40:53):
Well, if you go to duanemartinz.
com, the book is on forwardslash book and then I have a
free resource out there that'sforward slash tips and that's
one giant way.
You can get a free PDF downloadto how to jumpstart your day
and it's basically it's how toincrease your happiness and
(41:17):
self-confidence for the start ofevery day.
But just reach out to me ordirect message me on on social
media.
I do have a coaching program.
So my low tier would be thebook.
It's fifteen dollars.
You can get it for me, whereI'll sign up for you, or Amazon,
get it for me, where I'll signit for you, or Amazon.
(41:40):
Then the course.
That's my mid tier and then thecoaching would be the the
higher tier.
So I don't do many coachingpeople a year because it takes a
it takes a while.
Eric Heidrich (41:51):
Yes, yeah, real quick.
I want to go back just brieflyto a small tier uh book
Phenomenal Reviews.
So anybody listening yeah, it'scalled Becoming your Own
Champion.
You can find it through hiswebsite, which I'll restate and
I'll put in the links.
But Phenomenal Reviews.
So that's not just something tojust glaze over.
Oh, you know, that's my small,that's a big feat.
(42:13):
So anyone that's serious aboutbecoming better, that's a good
resource for you.
One of my favorite other quotesI'm full of quotes, I swear
it's like a mask cut to my head.
It says if you want more inyour life, you need to become
more.
If you want more, you need tobecome more.
And I think it's important toknow it's okay to want more, in
(42:36):
fact it's good.
It's a good thing to aspire,but you have to.
It comes with action, and agood piece of action is get that
book and get started.
Well, thank you.
Duane Martinz (42:45):
And I always tell people it's better to be green
and growing than to be ripe androtten.
And I'm sure that's a Zieglerthing.
I mean that guy has shaped mylife to who I am.
But yeah, I'd love for peopleto read the book and I do have a
lot of very positive reviews.
(43:05):
There's people that know mesaid it's like me sitting on
their shoulder listening to me.
Yeah, I did tell the editor.
I said you've got to keep me inthe book.
Eric Heidrich (43:18):
Yeah yeah, the the editor.
I said you've got to keep me inthe book.
Yeah yeah, the personalitythat's huge.
Duane Martinz (43:22):
And if they, do order it directly through me.
I usually pray that I write theright words in the cover of the
book to touch someone andbecause sometimes that may be
all that they read is the part,Because sometimes that may be
all that they read is the partof it.
And I've had some verywonderful success stories on
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just what was written in thefront cover and at a time or two
I've had people call me and saywhat did you write?
Because she called in tearsabout something that you said.
So a lot of times, like I wasjust at a speaking event in
(44:06):
Madison, Wisconsin, and I signedsome books there, and one of
the people who received one ofmy free books last year was at
that event and he read the coverof what I wrote in the book to
him.
So I know that's god inspiredas well.
I just pray for whoever I'msending it to, to make a
difference for them.
Eric Heidrich (44:22):
That's awesome, like authentic too, like a real,
yeah, yeah, you, you, that's,that's really great um with,
with misspelling and everythingyeah, you have to google some of
those words.
Huh, make sure that they'respelled right.
Well, cool, Duane, just acouple minutes left.
(44:43):
I really appreciate you beinghere, but before we close out, I
just wanted to ask what advicedo you have for people who are
currently doubting themselves,because that's a common thing.
We all go through moments ofthat where we're just struggling
and we can't seem to figure itout and we have doubts.
What would you say to them?
Duane Martinz (45:01):
Yeah, you know, the first thing, eric, that
comes to mind I'm tearing upalready is you got to trust
yourself because you're betterthan you think you are, because
you're better than you think youare and we're our own worst
critic.
And if you just trust yourselfand go with that instinct, and
(45:25):
then it's easy to find theprocess to get to where you want
to go, because there's a lot ofways to get there if it's
whatever it is that you want toachieve, but it's that getting
out of your own way and justallowing yourself to start small
(45:46):
.
Don't be afraid of startingsmall.
But also know that it's likeyou and I talked earlier about
public speaking as many years asI've been doing it I get scared
to death before I get on stage.
Still, and that's okay, and youjust need to be okay with being
scared.
Do it anyway.
(46:08):
There's a book that's over hereby Susan Jeffers.
It's called Feel the Fear andDo it Anyway, and truly just
trust yourself, because theworld has good things in store
for you.
And if you just trust enough totake that first step I think it
was Martin Luther King, maybethat said you don't have to see
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the whole stairwell, just takethe first step, and that's the
hardest part of just lettingyourself go and trusting
yourself enough to start.
You've got to start the processin whatever it is that you want
.
So that's the biggest thing isto start.
(46:51):
Phenomenal, yeah, thank you.
Eric Heidrich (46:55):
Yeah, thank you, yeah, phenomenal.
I personally believe that ourbiggest gifts and our purpose is
found behind the wall of fear.
So when you find something thatmakes you scared, there's
something in there that you needto do, and I can't explain why.
(47:15):
I don't know why, but I cantell you that the times I felt
most alive was when I was scaredof doing something and I did it
Right.
All right, Duane, thank you somuch for being with us One last
time.
For our listeners, they canfind you at duanemartins.
com, correct.
Duane M (47:32):
D-U-A-N-E-M-A-R-T-I-N-Z , and also also you can find me
out there in the Facebook world,and I'd love to connect with
you and help you any way that Ican to achieve whatever it is
that you want.
Eric Heidrich (47:50):
Awesome.
All right, Duane, thanks somuch.
Duane Martinz (47:52):
Yeah, buddy, thank you.
This has been wonderful.
Eric Heidrich (48:00):
That's going to do it for this episode of the
Dream Chaser Show.
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