October 22, 2025 • 35 mins
A brutal family murder, a discounted dream home, and a legend that swallowed a neighborhood—Amityville is as much a story about us as it is about a house. We walk through the facts of the DeFeo killings, then slow down to examine how a decade of grief turned into a global ghost franchise. The details that matter—addiction, violence, a rushed confession, and shifting insanity claims—sit next to the details that sell: cold rooms that no fire could fix, swarms of flies, a red‑eyed “friend” named Jody, and yes, a midnight marching band that feels made for the movies.
We talk about why George and Kathy Lutz bought 112 Ocean Avenue, furniture included, and how their claims escalated alongside meetings with lawyers, book percentages, and the media engine that followed. We revisit the priest’s alleged experiences, the Warrens’ high-profile investigation, and the infamous “ghost boy” photo that likely showed a team member. Then we zoom out: later owners reported no hauntings, only harassment from crowds. Windows were changed, the address was updated, and still the myth persisted—because a profitable story is harder to evict than any spirit.
If you’re drawn to true crime, paranormal history, and the ethics that separate commemoration from exploitation, this one will stick with you. We’re not out to crush belief; we’ve had our own strange moments and talk candidly about signs, memory, and unfinished business. But we also follow the money, question credibility, and push for respect where it’s due: to the victims, to the neighborhood, and to the truth that doesn’t need jump scares to hold up.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:01):
Hey Jesse! Hey Lindsay! What's up?
SPEAKER_00 (00:05):
Hello.
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What?
What's up?
SPEAKER_04 (00:07):
I mean, did you ask?
SPEAKER_00 (00:10):
I don't know.
The camera always throws me off.
I'm like.
SPEAKER_04 (00:12):
Well, I mean, what is up?
SPEAKER_00 (00:14):
Uh well, we're recapping.
SPEAKER_04 (00:17):
Capping?
SPEAKER_00 (00:18):
Recapping.
SPEAKER_04 (00:18):
Cap, capp, capping.
Don't be capping.
SPEAKER_00 (00:21):
I got this weird thing going on in my hair.
I have my.
It's wet.
And it's it's weird.
It's weird.
SPEAKER_02 (00:27):
Is your hair moist?
SPEAKER_00 (00:29):
It's very moist.
I had a shower.
I'm clean.
SPEAKER_02 (00:32):
Moist.
SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
My hair is washed and we're gonna re-dye, and I
still, you know, it's like oh mygod, I can't take it.
SPEAKER_02 (00:40):
Moist.
SPEAKER_00 (00:41):
You say moist, whatever.
SPEAKER_04 (00:44):
Moist doesn't bother you.
SPEAKER_00 (00:46):
It doesn't bother me.
SPEAKER_04 (00:47):
I think Letter Kenny broke everybody for moist.
I think.
Right?
SPEAKER_00 (00:51):
I think it's right.
Okay, here we go.
Whatever.
Whatever we get.
Hey.
Alright, so we are raw,unedited, and uncut, unfiltered
recap.
SPEAKER_03 (01:04):
The whole damn thing.
SPEAKER_00 (01:05):
This this this recap is about the DeFeo family and
the Lutz family that we coveredlast week on um the recorded
pod, the audio pod.
SPEAKER_04 (01:16):
The fake Amityville thing.
SPEAKER_00 (01:21):
I can't even do a Amityville come-up.
SPEAKER_04 (01:23):
Facamity.
Facamity calamity.
I mean everything wasn't fake.
SPEAKER_00 (01:30):
Unfortunately.
SPEAKER_04 (01:31):
Yes, a murder.
SPEAKER_00 (01:32):
Butch DeFeo, Ronald DeFeo Jr., who went by Butch, he
literally annihilated his entirefamily.
Six people.
His brothers and sisters and hismother and father.
SPEAKER_04 (01:46):
Yeah, after that went down, like then I was goof
booting because after that I waslike, there's no fucking way.
Right.
What did I call it?
Like Amneyville, something inthe marching band or something.
Check it out though, if you guyswant to go back and check out
the whole episode that we didthere.
It was the marching band got me.
(02:06):
The marching band.
SPEAKER_00 (02:07):
I know.
Uh that would have beenexciting.
So let's uh start from thebeginning.
First of all, what are youdrinking?
SPEAKER_04 (02:15):
Me over here.
Well, you got me a you had someVista Bay rushes.
SPEAKER_00 (02:19):
Yeah, they're uh what are they?
8%?
SPEAKER_04 (02:21):
They're eight cents.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:22):
Eight percent.
SPEAKER_04 (02:22):
Eight cents of rush.
SPEAKER_00 (02:24):
And I have in my bookies cup, um, I put a mixture
of a blackberry Vista Bay Rushand a lemon regular Vista Bay
together.
Because I was like, blackberryand lemon taste good together.
SPEAKER_04 (02:42):
So you're rushing to the bay.
SPEAKER_00 (02:43):
It's like a blackberry lemonade.
It's delicious.
SPEAKER_04 (02:46):
Yeah.
It's a bay rush.
SPEAKER_00 (02:50):
So 1974 of November.
SPEAKER_04 (02:55):
Oh, yeah, the whole the whole fucking setup, dude.
That was so horrific.
SPEAKER_00 (03:00):
Yeah.
Well, first of all, going backto that, um, you know, like the
DeFeo family on the outside seemlike a tight-knit Catholic
family.
Um, but of course, there'salways problems.
Um, when people think thatfamilies are perfect.
There's there's underlyingissues.
Yeah.
And um, so Ronald DeFeo Jr., whowent by Butch.
(03:26):
Um, I called him Butch in theepisode so it didn't get
confusing, and that was hisnickname.
So he had had problems withheroin, um, LSD.
He was violent.
Um, he was 23 years old, stillliving at home, still being
pretty spoiled.
He had a job through hisgrandfather's car lot that his
(03:47):
father also worked at, RonaldSr.
SPEAKER_04 (03:51):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (03:52):
And um he got it set up.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (03:55):
It was it was just horrific.
SPEAKER_00 (03:56):
But selfishness was just that's what gets me about,
like, you know, um my parentsare very and I'm the I'm the
only child.
I'm my dad's only child.
I have two sisters, um, but wedon't have the same dad.
But I was my dad's only childand my stepmom's only child.
She didn't have any, you know,biological children, and they
(04:17):
were very well off, but theynever gave me anything.
Even things that they helped meget, I always paid back, which
taught me a very strong workethic because I was made to pay
them back what I owed them, andnothing was handed to me.
And I didn't appreciate thatwhen I was a kid because I knew
(04:42):
they had it like that, but Iappreciate it.
I appreciated it as uh I startedreally understanding that in my
mid to late 20s.
Like, oh, I get it now.
SPEAKER_04 (04:52):
And then from then on, you're good to go.
You're gonna earn your way,right?
Exactly.
Yeah, we're teaching Silas alittle bit of that, right?
SPEAKER_00 (04:58):
We've taught all of our kids that uh we've made them
get jobs early on, like as soonas they turn 16, like the day
after.
SPEAKER_03 (05:06):
No, Lindsay.
As soon as they could pullalong.
SPEAKER_00 (05:09):
Okay, okay.
Uh corporate jobs from the timethat they're 16.
SPEAKER_03 (05:14):
But early on for you gotta work, nothing is handed to
you.
SPEAKER_00 (05:20):
Um now, like I said, he did have a job through the
family business.
He was earning his own money,but he still felt like uh he was
entitled to more.
Butch Butch DeFeo.
He stole a deposit, he gotanother co-worker involved in
that.
He was violent towards hisfamily.
(05:41):
Um talked really shitty abouthis family after the murders
happened.
He initially tried to pin it ona mob hitman because his family
was Italian, both families, bothsides, foot mother and the
father.
Tried to pin it on a mob hitman,and well, that guy had an
airtight alibi, and within 24hours, Butch admitted to
(06:06):
everything.
SPEAKER_04 (06:07):
Yeah, and you can't be that selfish and dump that
back on your parents, which hasgiven you a good way of life,
enough to where he can party anddo his own things.
Then he started bringing peopleinto the household before all
that.
SPEAKER_00 (06:19):
So it was like Yeah, he was just bringing people over
to party without permission.
I mean, the Amityville House,uh, 112 Ocean Avenue is uh is a
very, very nice home.
And um it's a big house, a lotof room, wet bar.
It's I mean, it's got everythingyou need for a party.
(06:40):
It had a heated swimming pool.
So if he had been, I'm sure,nice to his family, his parents,
and said, Hey, I'm having somefriends over, is it okay if we
have a little get together?
That would have been a differentstory.
But he did it without permissionall the time.
SPEAKER_04 (06:57):
And uh nutted up, got his lip poked out, and then
he decided to kill the wholedamn family.
SPEAKER_00 (07:03):
The whole family.
SPEAKER_04 (07:04):
Fuck.
SPEAKER_00 (07:06):
Fuck.
So after he admitted to it, umhis defense uh still tried to
because he did have some mentalissues.
I I mean, in my opinion, youdon't you're not able to do
something like that with withoutsome kind of underlying mental
(07:27):
issue.
Yeah.
At least uh at least one thing.
I mean, he had a couple ofthings wrong with him.
SPEAKER_04 (07:33):
Um Well, I believe it was like what it said, like
he did his dad first, right?
Or was it his mom first?
SPEAKER_00 (07:41):
It was his parents.
Oh well, what he said in hisconfession is he started with
them and then he just went roomby room and it went went
happened so fast.
SPEAKER_04 (07:51):
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_00 (07:52):
I I put the direct quote in the episode.
SPEAKER_04 (07:54):
That's where that's where the debility like leveled
up, like his whole in insanity,I think, leveled up after he
physically did that and he waslike, I'm doing the whole
family.
Because I I I think heoriginally had planned just to
just to get probably his dadfirst, and then No, he hated his
brothers and sisters just aswell.
SPEAKER_00 (08:12):
He had a lot of animosity.
SPEAKER_04 (08:13):
So horrifically selfish, man.
SPEAKER_00 (08:15):
I've heard we gotta remember we can't talk at the
same time on this app.
SPEAKER_04 (08:20):
Well, it didn't do it last time that we did that.
SPEAKER_00 (08:22):
Because we were making sure that we paused and
allowed each other to speak.
We just have to remember thatbecause I know on one of the
recaps we do kind of cancel eachother out.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (08:31):
Uh y'all let us know if it's a horrific thing because
I want to say things instead ofjust being quiet.
SPEAKER_00 (08:38):
So, anyways, after he has admitted and confessed to
his family annihilation, um, hetries to change his story later
on.
And uh they try to do theinsanity defense that he didn't
remember committing the murders,that uh there was an entity in
(09:00):
the house that told him tocommit these murders, but none
of that worked out.
He, I mean, he died in prison.
But in between, he changed hisstory several times.
He tried to pin it on hissister, then he tried to pin it
on sister and an unknownassailant.
I mean, just he changed hisstory a lot.
SPEAKER_04 (09:21):
He was a loopy, goofy goober.
SPEAKER_00 (09:24):
So then a year later, just a year, a little
over a year later, the Defeo, Imean, the Lutz family is looking
for a home.
They are a blended family.
Um, it was George and KathyLutz.
George had married Kathy and herthree kids, because when you
when you marry a woman who hasthree children, you marry their
(09:47):
children too.
SPEAKER_04 (09:48):
And they need a bigger home.
SPEAKER_00 (09:49):
They need a bigger home, and their budget was
between$30,000 and$50,000.
They looked at many homes,couldn't find anything.
Realtors like, hey, this newproperty is on the market, but
it's$80 grand, but it haseverything you want, everything
(10:09):
you need.
Hit me up, I got you mine.
Yeah, and I think that's littlewhite, by the way.
SPEAKER_04 (10:17):
Yeah, I think that time was over with it, it was
$85,000 because you know, allthe taxes and everything.
So way out of their budget.
Way out of their budget.
SPEAKER_00 (10:25):
But when they looked at the home and seen the size of
it and everything it came with,because it was five-bedroom,
what did I say, five-bedroom,four, three bath or four baths?
SPEAKER_04 (10:35):
Five four, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:36):
Five, four, and it had a boathouse, it had a wet
bar, finished basement, all theall the all the things, heated
swimming pool.
Um, they're like, Oh, I knowthis is way out of our budget,
but why is it so cheap?
And uh realtors like, well, somemurders happened here.
(10:56):
Told them straight up.
Told them.
And I did say this in the in theepisode two.
There was literally still bulletholes in the furniture and chalk
lines.
And they bought the fuckingfurniture.
They bought the furniture.
They got it too for$400 extradollars.
It's not worth it.
I don't know, man.
SPEAKER_01 (11:14):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_04 (11:15):
Well, I'll be able to I would have to pick which
one part because they had thebeds and everything except for
the mattresses, of course.
But they bought the beds andeverything.
I don't think I I don't know,man.
I d I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (11:28):
Every single bed had a dead person in it.
Like every single one.
Oh, face down.
Face down.
Oh so they buy the house becausethey're like, we're not spooked,
we don't believe in theparanormal.
And we'll just have a priestcome in, even though they
weren't religious.
We'll just have a priest come inand bless it.
(11:49):
Well, according to um previousstories from this time, the
priest had a lot of issues too.
Like he came in and blessed it,but he felt some bad energy.
He declined a stay for dinnerafter he after he blessed it.
And um he had problems after heleft, allegedly.
(12:15):
Um, just when he would thinkabout the Lutzes, uh, he would
get he would get sick and thingswould happen to him.
Crazy shit.
And then the Lutzes start havingall kinds of problems.
George uh becomes pretty muchwhat they what you would call
(12:36):
possessed.
Um he starts to slack off on hishygiene, his appearance, his
work.
SPEAKER_04 (12:45):
He gave up on life.
SPEAKER_00 (12:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (12:46):
Yeah, he was just existing.
SPEAKER_00 (12:48):
And he could never get warm.
He was obsessed with makingfires and always had to stay in
front of the fire.
Um the kids saw black flies, notin their Chardonnay, but in the
windows.
Um from the windows to thewalls, they weren't like black
flies.
Uh, they saw black substance inthe toilet, both toilets, uh,
(13:13):
and there was a foul smell.
Then shit just starts gettingeven more wild.
Um they there, I didn't mentionthis in the story, but this is
uh allegedly one thing thathappened.
There was a statue that wasmoved.
There was money that wentmissing from another member of
(13:34):
the family who George wasentrusted.
It was was it a cousin or abrother-in-law was getting
married, something like that,and he brought them money, or he
brought George money for thecaterer, and that money just
disappeared.
And that's that that's a littlered flag for me because what the
(13:58):
fuck does an entity or a spiritor a ghost need with money?
SPEAKER_04 (14:03):
The beginning of the whole scam to me.
SPEAKER_00 (14:05):
Yeah.
And I I apologize for notputting that in the initial pod.
Um, I had I remember saying Ineed to add this to the notes,
and it never happened becauseADHD and things like that.
Um, but I'm talking about itnow.
So yeah, there was money thatwent missing, there were statues
that were moved.
(14:26):
People, uh, the the family waspushed, shoved, um, tormented.
The little girl though, Missy,Melissa, uh, she went by Missy,
she she made a friend.
Her and its name was Jody, thethe male pig.
SPEAKER_04 (14:44):
That's right.
That's right.
I sang a song about that.
SPEAKER_00 (14:47):
She felt she didn't feel no issues with it, but the
rest of the family was scared ofit.
Um, and the rocking chair in herroom would move a lot.
SPEAKER_04 (14:55):
Well, the red eyes with the pig was kind of yeah,
the red eyes, pig face.
SPEAKER_00 (14:59):
I mean, I guess that can be scary um to the rest of
the family.
But Jody, I mean, uh, Missy feltno no ill will to that was her
buddy.
That was her imaginary friend.
When do we get to the fuckingmarching band, bro?
Well, I was getting there next.
Fucking marching band.
So uh a marching band on in thewitching hour appears in their
(15:23):
living room, or the or notappears, but they hear it.
They hear the noises of amarching band, not once, not
twice, about three times.
And um, like I said, in theepisode, I I don't see anything
scary about that, but that'sjust me.
SPEAKER_04 (15:40):
We'd be in the living room juking to it.
SPEAKER_00 (15:44):
I would be like, let me borrow your clarinet.
Let me see what I can remember.
SPEAKER_04 (15:49):
I'm playing the drum line all day, dude.
I'm not doing no wind woodfucking brass horn shit.
I'm playing the drum line, bro.
SPEAKER_00 (15:57):
No, we would be giving them orders.
We would have requests.
Oh, we just have our little playLouie Louie.
SPEAKER_01 (16:03):
Wow, wow, wow, wow.
SPEAKER_00 (16:05):
Wow, wow.
Waw wah wow.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, Mr.
Holland's opus in this bitch.
Opus.
So we love March and May's.
I'm so sorry.
Uh, we probably were the worstpeople to cover this family
(16:27):
because we kind of likeeverything that they went
through except the black fliesand the black toilet bowl.
I would just get some bleach.
SPEAKER_04 (16:33):
And the the red eyes.
Come on, I ain't got red eyeslooking at me.
SPEAKER_00 (16:38):
I have ghosts.
I have not ghosts.
I have two leather face maskswatching me sleep every night.
SPEAKER_04 (16:45):
Every night.
And and you know what?
We left them around the house inour bedroom, actually, all damn
year long.
SPEAKER_00 (16:51):
Like, they're just on mannequin heads on our
dresser.
We keep them preserved forsilence because they were
expensive.
They were easy of us, one with70 and one was that?
Who does that?
I got witch hats on them rightnow.
They're all dressed up and cute.
SPEAKER_04 (17:06):
Uh there's some Edgeen fucking Tennessees over
here, man.
We're like kind of gainish, man.
It's a little gainish there,man.
SPEAKER_00 (17:14):
One of those masks was$70 and one was$80.
We are not letting them get tornup.
SPEAKER_04 (17:19):
Yeah, we didn't want to put them in the box in the
garage in the heat all summerlong.
SPEAKER_00 (17:24):
So they are permanent figures in our
bedroom.
SPEAKER_04 (17:27):
This is a Gen Z party.
Oh Lord, at the things they haveseen.
SPEAKER_01 (17:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (17:36):
No, I don't know.
I think it's amazing, man.
I'm gonna smile with my bottomteeth.
SPEAKER_00 (17:42):
They enjoy the show.
Um, but anyway, so now the Lutzfamily, they get out of the
house after they experience uhum a hurricane that only happens
to them, power outages that onlyhappens to them, um burning hot
temperatures in the house.
I mean, it's just all kinds ofcrazy shit.
(18:04):
Um, watch Amityville horror,look up this case.
This is every it is everythingthat they said happened to them
is in um the book and the movie.
But so they take off after 28days.
Oh yeah, and then the the theprevious lawyer hit them up,
(18:25):
right?
The lawyer, yes, uh Ronald DeFeoJr.'s lawyer hits uh meets that
they they they become buds.
Um and he's like, Oh, you hadsome stuff happen to you in that
house.
Well, do you want to testify tothis and and and help me get my
client a lesser sentence?
(18:46):
I don't think that that hap Idon't think that that happened
because like I said, Ronald uhButch Butch DeFeo died in prison
in 2021, so he was in theresince then.
Um but he promised them uh apercentage off of a book deal
because he was gonna write abook about the whole issue.
(19:07):
But um Jay Anson was the onethat ended up writing the book,
and and then the movie was basedoff of that.
Jay Anson was like, I'll giveyou 50%.
They were promised 12 by WilliamWeber, right?
SPEAKER_03 (19:21):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (19:22):
So um they went with that, and um, you you can look
up everybody that they sued,everybody that sued them.
Oh, and of course, I forgot allabout Ed and Lorraine Warren's
Warren's appearance, and um howthey capitalized off of a tour
(19:46):
of that house after the Letz'smoved out before it was sold to
the next family, who, by theway, did not have any um
paranormal activity happen tothem, and neither has any of the
owners all the way up until now.
SPEAKER_04 (20:04):
Other than just talking a picture of somebody
that was on their crew.
SPEAKER_00 (20:08):
Well, hold on, that was before the next family moved
in.
So, yeah, so they took a pictureand they made it seem like the
Warrens did.
They made it seem like this wasa picture of uh the ghost of one
of the DeFeo boys.
No, that was a team member oftheirs, uh Paul Bart.
And um, but they capitalized offof that, they made money off of,
(20:29):
they made money off ofeverything, and we're gonna get
so much more into the Warrens inthe next couple of weeks.
So the next family that lives inthat house, they are now people
are standing outside after themovies come out, they can't even
live there because they'regetting harassed.
They sue the Ludzes becausethey're like, You're full of
(20:51):
shit.
There's nothing wrong with thishouse.
We're not experiencing anyparanormal activity, we're not
having any problems here.
We love this house, but we can'tlive in it because of you.
Because you have nowsensationalized our home.
SPEAKER_04 (21:03):
And then who wants to have to live in a spectacle?
Right.
Yeah, a tourist attraction, mayI say?
SPEAKER_05 (21:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (21:10):
You know, and then that's what they've built it up
to, and it's all fuckingbullshit.
And we've all fed into itbecause we all loved watching
those movies and thinking thatwas.
SPEAKER_00 (21:18):
Well, and like like I said, you know, I would have
rode by the house just to saythat I saw it, but I wouldn't
have I mean, people were sittingin their front lawn demanding
entry, and it was it was reallywild.
It's it was really wild what thenext family went through, and
they were there for about 10years.
But I mean, all the next uh allthe future owners of this home
(21:39):
had no issues whatsoever.
And um, they even changed, theychanged the windows to where
they didn't look like eyeslooking out looking out at you,
and they changed the address.
So um, yeah, so that is prettymuch what wraps it up.
Um, the Lutzes made some money,some some good money off of uh
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what supposedly happened to themin 28 days that they in the in
the 28 days that they lived at112 Ocean Avenue.
Um old uh Butch Butch Defeo, hereally tried, he really tried
really hard to uh they lied.
They lied.
I mean, I I really believe that.
SPEAKER_04 (22:26):
Unless anybody wants to prove much different, I would
love to hear a story.
SPEAKER_00 (22:29):
Now I am, I mean, I I'm really hoping that a priest
didn't lie.
And I'm curious to know whatactually happened to him.
Now, maybe he felt just an evilpresence because of what had
happened in that house.
Um but I don't this is what Idon't understand.
(22:51):
Usually when an evil entity isin the house, it's because the
people that had either beenslain there or people that live
there that died are stillhaunting the place.
Well, I mean, there was nothingwrong, there was nothing evil
about the rest of the DeFeofamily that were slain there.
(23:12):
And Ronald was alive, and RonaldJr., Butch, he was alive and in
prison.
So what was there?
Yeah, um, but at the same time,he was trying to say that
something that was there beforehim had coaxed him into these
murder.
But that the DeFeos had lived inthat home for almost a decade
(23:34):
without any problems.
SPEAKER_04 (23:36):
Yeah, it would have happened like as soon as they
got there, just like the otherfamily.
It's all bullshit.
It's all bullshit.
SPEAKER_00 (23:44):
But we are very we are very cynical, but at the
same time, we do believe webelieve in spirits and
paranormal.
We have both experienced thingslike that in in our past.
I I mean, actually in thishouse.
Um but this just sounds likebullshit to me, all of it.
(24:04):
Um uh Butch Defeo was a piece ofshit who murdered his family,
and I think that the Lutzes gotin over their head financially
and uh decided to use what hadhappened in that house to their
advantage.
SPEAKER_04 (24:22):
So honestly, Lindsay, do you think that
spirits mostly latch on tocertain areas and stay, or do
they kind of float by sometimes?
SPEAKER_00 (24:33):
I honestly don't know.
SPEAKER_04 (24:36):
Um you know, because there was like a pretty big
murder not too far from here.
SPEAKER_00 (24:42):
Yeah, there was.
But I don't know.
I I mean I I I I can't tell you.
SPEAKER_04 (24:48):
Isn't that a cool conspiracy, like a or a thought,
really?
Like, what if, you know,sometimes they latch onto things
or whatever, and sometimes itcould be somebody from from uh
the their past or whatever justsaying bye or whatever or kind
of swinging by, you know?
Because I think it it's all onebig huge thing that um your soul
(25:12):
and everything is part of waymore than what we can imagine.
So they can be in differentspots, they don't just hang on,
you know?
I don't know.
It's just my thoughts.
SPEAKER_00 (25:22):
So you think that spirits that are left behind in
a home, they they ain't gottastay there.
They can get out, they can dowhatever they want.
SPEAKER_04 (25:31):
I think there's so many stipulations in that.
SPEAKER_00 (25:33):
Me too.
Like I I honestly have noinsight as to how I think that
works because that is beyond mythought process.
SPEAKER_04 (25:41):
I kind of like the new theory that they've been
putting out on movies and stuffbecause it it's kind of like the
unfinished business thing, whichwe've we uh we experienced that
with Casper growing up, right?
And it's and it's kind of it'sit's evolving since then.
Honestly, that was my firstexperience with like the
unfinished business type thing,right?
SPEAKER_00 (25:59):
Me too, me too.
I mean, uh I mean that was ourgeneration.
SPEAKER_04 (26:02):
It was the Casper.
Yeah, yeah.
And I feel like I feel likethat, you know, there could be
an unfinished something, ormaybe they just they're wanting
uh they're wanting a little bitmore time, you know, and who
knows what the the concept oftime is if you're a spiritual
entity or or whatever.
So maybe what they're thinkingis could could last years or
(26:26):
just a few seconds, you know,just a passing by like a little
hay, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (26:31):
And also, furthermore, but how do you
finish their business?
SPEAKER_04 (26:35):
I uh maybe it's uh a feeling or something that you
notice, and then they noticethat you notice and they're
good, you know?
That could be it.
It doesn't have to be like thisbig thing, right?
You know, or a little red, a redmocking bird or something over
there on the tree.
SPEAKER_00 (26:50):
Well it's not mocking bird, it's cardinal.
Cardinal.
We do uh this tree right outsideof our window here.
There is red uh um just in thelast few years, he lost his
father, I lost my grandmother.
They were both, I mean, youknow, big part of our life, and
we noticed that we see a lotmore red birds out there now.
(27:11):
Um in just in that area, andit's only about once a week.
SPEAKER_04 (27:17):
Yeah, and even through like the fall season and
everything, you'll see differentuh larger ones, you know, where
they're flying down or whatever.
It's kind of cool becausethere's an evolution of birds,
and then the warmer climate oneswill move on down south, and the
you know, the ones from up northup they'll come in and show up
and they're on our fence andright there.
So that's a cool thing, youknow.
And I believe that animals, theydo what God tells them to do,
(27:39):
you know?
So maybe that's a little littlepiece of them kind of just you
know, or it's just me rememberremembering, but at the same
time, that's how people doremember things, you know.
If you can associate that withsomething simple like that,
maybe that's that'll completeunfinished business as well.
SPEAKER_00 (27:56):
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (27:56):
You know?
SPEAKER_00 (27:56):
So that's just a little just a little visit.
SPEAKER_04 (27:58):
That's my thoughts.
SPEAKER_00 (27:59):
That's my thoughts.
But I really hate when um peopletry to capitalize or come up
from any kind of paranormalactivity, as far as um saying
(28:21):
that that was the reason whythey did something bad.
SPEAKER_04 (28:25):
Oh, manifesting something that's not even really
there, too, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (28:29):
Just like, you know, Ronald saying or or Butch saying
that um, you know, somethingtold him to annihilate his
family, and then the Lutzfamily, I I honestly think that
they were in over their heads itfinancially, and uh they were
looking for a way out, yeah, andthey found one.
So and the children were youngenough to be coaxed into
(28:57):
believing that things happenedto them.
Um that happens all the time.
It's not that's not new, that'snot that's not a new theory,
that happens all the time.
Right.
People, I mean, go back andlisten to our episode about the
McMartin preschool.
I mean, there was a whole lot ofkids who were coaxed into
believing something that did nothappen.
SPEAKER_04 (29:19):
The level of manipulation, you know, should
be a crime in its own.
You know, you you don't do thatto children, you don't because
if they're gonna hang on to thatfor the rest of their lives, you
know.
That's a crime in its own.
Nobody ever charges anybody withthat shit.
Why?
It's like, yeah, we won't talkabout that.
But fuck.
Bruno has been in the fuckingstory so many times we ain't
(29:42):
talked about him, you know?
It's just like It's 'cause wedon't talk about Bruno.
I know, but like he is showingthe fuck up in a lot of these
stories, and there's a lot oflittle things like, okay.
Um, especially like certainsituations where I'm like, fuck,
that's all they got.
They're already out of prison.
That's all they got.
What about all the manipulationand all the shit that's been
going on here, Lindsay?
(30:03):
You've been dropping over here,bud.
You know?
There's just been a lot of thatthat I'm like, dude, if I was a
prosecutor or a judge orsomething, dude, I would be
going, because you know thesepeople are dead to rights,
fucking wrong.
But shitty ass people.
SPEAKER_00 (30:16):
But there's still people sitting in prison for
usage of marijuana that is nowlegal.
SPEAKER_04 (30:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (30:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (30:24):
That should have been that should have been
annulled then.
SPEAKER_00 (30:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (30:26):
That should have been a complaint.
SPEAKER_00 (30:28):
Pardon.
Right?
How do you how do you change thelaw?
SPEAKER_04 (30:32):
Right.
I agree with you.
I agree with you.
And we're not even we're noteven big old uh greenery type.
No, we're not.
SPEAKER_00 (30:38):
We're not gardeners, but we support it.
Yeah.
If that's what you want to do,that's fine.
SPEAKER_04 (30:43):
Recreationally.
SPEAKER_00 (30:44):
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (30:44):
Yes.
I mean, you know, and and we wepartake in our things
recreationally, but not we don'tabuse it.
We don't abuse it, right?
Where it starts changing whatthe fuck you're doing with your
household and your money.
Yeah.
No.
SPEAKER_00 (30:57):
We're responsible drinkers.
SPEAKER_04 (30:58):
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Well, on weekends we ain'tleaving this damn house.
No.
We're here.
We're hanging out.
Tomorrow.
I think we're gonna leave and dosome stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (31:06):
Yeah, we're gonna leave and then drink.
Yeah.
We're gonna go to HalloweenHorror Nights.
Uh yes.
And we're recording this on aFriday, but this will be in your
ears and in your faces onWednesday.
And uh we hope you have a greathump day.
We're gonna wrap this up.
Make sure you listen to what didyou it was supposed to be called
112 Ocean Avenue.
SPEAKER_04 (31:28):
Yeah, but I like that.
SPEAKER_00 (31:30):
Stop changing the names of my episodes.
SPEAKER_04 (31:32):
But the band, man.
I had to put the band in there,man.
SPEAKER_00 (31:36):
Anyway, I don't know what he named it.
I'm so sorry.
It was supposed to be called 112Ocean Avenue.
Because there were two storiesin one that happened at 112
Ocean Avenue.
SPEAKER_04 (31:47):
The cool thing about it, Lynn's, I have the power to
change things.
SPEAKER_00 (31:50):
I know.
I'm trying to figure out, I'mtrying to see what you named it
so I can tell the listeners togo back.
SPEAKER_04 (31:54):
Tell the peeps I've done wrong.
This is unfinished business forme over here.
SPEAKER_00 (32:01):
I think I like it, man.
Okay, so he named it AmityvilleMurder Myth and a Marching Band,
which is fine.
But 112 Ocean Avenue would havestill been great.
It's straight and to the pointbecause two two different things
happen at 112 Ocean Avenue.
I get it.
But it is no longer that episodeor that episode, that address.
(32:22):
So don't bother those people.
Um if you want to look it up,you can.
You can find it very easily.
Just drive by their house so youcan say you saw it.
Um but don't bother them becausethey don't deserve that.
Anyhow.
SPEAKER_04 (32:34):
Maybe this is my way of getting back at you for
destroying me on so manypodcasts and just keep naming
your shit wrong.
SPEAKER_00 (32:41):
Stay tuned for Friday when we will be talking
about another case that Ed andLorraine Warren are involved in.
And uh some more devil, somemore New England, some more
double.
Yeah, some more spooks forOctober because we are in spooky
(33:01):
season.
And it's I I just changed mylittle countdown to Halloween
today, and there's only 14 daysleft, and I am very sad about
that.
But by the time this comes out,there's only gonna be seven days
left.
It's going by too fast.
We wait all year for this, andthen it's like blip.
SPEAKER_04 (33:20):
Doesn't it?
We start in like September.
SPEAKER_00 (33:22):
We start, yeah, we start spooky season actually.
SPEAKER_04 (33:25):
August 99.
We we clock in, and it's like,okay, we got one minute till
September.
We're on.
We start unloading shit.
We we the whole house isdecorated within five minutes,
and we live in it, basking init.
SPEAKER_00 (33:38):
And it stays decorated until Thanksgiving.
And then we just switch rightover to Christmas.
SPEAKER_04 (33:42):
Check out some of our videos.
We've posted some of the houseand stuff, but we're gonna do
more of that, of course, becauseyou know, we got a Halloween
taco nine.
SPEAKER_00 (33:52):
Yes, and we're gonna make a couple of TikToks later
on this evening when it gets alittle darker, a little more
spooky.
SPEAKER_04 (33:57):
It's gonna be fun.
It's gonna be fun.
I need another drink.
We're gonna do some morepodcasting.
So follow along.
SPEAKER_00 (34:02):
And we've made charcuterie, and we're I'm gonna
graze a little more.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (34:06):
We're gonna graze, and we're gonna do the shits.
And I'm gonna misname everypodcast from here on.
SPEAKER_00 (34:11):
So we're gonna see you.
We're gonna we're we won't seeyou on Friday, but make sure you
tune in on Friday for Was theDevil in Connecticut?
SPEAKER_04 (34:21):
Oh, that's that's what you want to name that one?
SPEAKER_00 (34:23):
That is the name of it, sir.
SPEAKER_04 (34:25):
Okay, we okay, I got you.
I will forget.
SPEAKER_00 (34:29):
We make sure that you like, share, comment, um,
subscribe.
We are on you.
We're we're here.
We're here on YouTube.
SPEAKER_01 (34:37):
And Lindsay, you know, you who knew you'd be
hated for being who you are.
I'm hated?
SPEAKER_04 (34:45):
No, me.
I'm talking about you.
There's a bull's bullseyepainted on my chest, man.
Sorry.
SPEAKER_00 (34:50):
But I love that song.
SPEAKER_04 (34:51):
I know, but I didn't mean to not.
SPEAKER_00 (34:53):
I'm not I'm not hating.
When I write out the script, Ititle it, and that's what I want
the episode to be named, and hechanges.
SPEAKER_04 (35:01):
I get creative every time.
I get creative.
I can't help it.
SPEAKER_00 (35:04):
You can hate me today.
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_04 (35:07):
If you want to.
SPEAKER_00 (35:08):
I don't hate you.
SPEAKER_04 (35:09):
Are you?
SPEAKER_00 (35:09):
But we're gonna wrap this up.
We're going past our time.
SPEAKER_04 (35:11):
I mean, you could hate me tomorrow, too.
SPEAKER_00 (35:13):
We love you so much.
Yeah.
And uh we'll we'll we'll uh tunein on Friday.
We'll see you Friday.
We'll we'll I don't know.
We'll we'll do the thing.
SPEAKER_04 (35:21):
I'm smiling with my bottom teeth.
Y'all can't see shit on here.
All right.
We'll see you guys.
SPEAKER_00 (35:28):
We love you so much, and bye!
Hey Jesse! Hey Lindsay! What's up?
SPEAKER_00 (00:05):
Hello.
SPEAKER_01 (00:06):
What?
What's up?
SPEAKER_04 (00:07):
I mean, did you ask?
SPEAKER_00 (00:10):
I don't know.
The camera always throws me off.
I'm like.
SPEAKER_04 (00:12):
Well, I mean, what is up?
SPEAKER_00 (00:14):
Uh well, we're recapping.
SPEAKER_04 (00:17):
Capping?
SPEAKER_00 (00:18):
Recapping.
SPEAKER_04 (00:18):
Cap, capp, capping.
Don't be capping.
SPEAKER_00 (00:21):
I got this weird thing going on in my hair.
I have my.
It's wet.
And it's it's weird.
It's weird.
SPEAKER_02 (00:27):
Is your hair moist?
SPEAKER_00 (00:29):
It's very moist.
I had a shower.
I'm clean.
SPEAKER_02 (00:32):
Moist.
SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
My hair is washed and we're gonna re-dye, and I
still, you know, it's like oh mygod, I can't take it.
SPEAKER_02 (00:40):
Moist.
SPEAKER_00 (00:41):
You say moist, whatever.
SPEAKER_04 (00:44):
Moist doesn't bother you.
SPEAKER_00 (00:46):
It doesn't bother me.
SPEAKER_04 (00:47):
I think Letter Kenny broke everybody for moist.
I think.
Right?
SPEAKER_00 (00:51):
I think it's right.
Okay, here we go.
Whatever.
Whatever we get.
Hey.
Alright, so we are raw,unedited, and uncut, unfiltered
recap.
SPEAKER_03 (01:04):
The whole damn thing.
SPEAKER_00 (01:05):
This this this recap is about the DeFeo family and
the Lutz family that we coveredlast week on um the recorded
pod, the audio pod.
SPEAKER_04 (01:16):
The fake Amityville thing.
SPEAKER_00 (01:21):
I can't even do a Amityville come-up.
SPEAKER_04 (01:23):
Facamity.
Facamity calamity.
I mean everything wasn't fake.
SPEAKER_00 (01:30):
Unfortunately.
SPEAKER_04 (01:31):
Yes, a murder.
SPEAKER_00 (01:32):
Butch DeFeo, Ronald DeFeo Jr., who went by Butch, he
literally annihilated his entirefamily.
Six people.
His brothers and sisters and hismother and father.
SPEAKER_04 (01:46):
Yeah, after that went down, like then I was goof
booting because after that I waslike, there's no fucking way.
Right.
What did I call it?
Like Amneyville, something inthe marching band or something.
Check it out though, if you guyswant to go back and check out
the whole episode that we didthere.
It was the marching band got me.
(02:06):
The marching band.
SPEAKER_00 (02:07):
I know.
Uh that would have beenexciting.
So let's uh start from thebeginning.
First of all, what are youdrinking?
SPEAKER_04 (02:15):
Me over here.
Well, you got me a you had someVista Bay rushes.
SPEAKER_00 (02:19):
Yeah, they're uh what are they?
8%?
SPEAKER_04 (02:21):
They're eight cents.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:22):
Eight percent.
SPEAKER_04 (02:22):
Eight cents of rush.
SPEAKER_00 (02:24):
And I have in my bookies cup, um, I put a mixture
of a blackberry Vista Bay Rushand a lemon regular Vista Bay
together.
Because I was like, blackberryand lemon taste good together.
SPEAKER_04 (02:42):
So you're rushing to the bay.
SPEAKER_00 (02:43):
It's like a blackberry lemonade.
It's delicious.
SPEAKER_04 (02:46):
Yeah.
It's a bay rush.
SPEAKER_00 (02:50):
So 1974 of November.
SPEAKER_04 (02:55):
Oh, yeah, the whole the whole fucking setup, dude.
That was so horrific.
SPEAKER_00 (03:00):
Yeah.
Well, first of all, going backto that, um, you know, like the
DeFeo family on the outside seemlike a tight-knit Catholic
family.
Um, but of course, there'salways problems.
Um, when people think thatfamilies are perfect.
There's there's underlyingissues.
Yeah.
And um, so Ronald DeFeo Jr., whowent by Butch.
(03:26):
Um, I called him Butch in theepisode so it didn't get
confusing, and that was hisnickname.
So he had had problems withheroin, um, LSD.
He was violent.
Um, he was 23 years old, stillliving at home, still being
pretty spoiled.
He had a job through hisgrandfather's car lot that his
(03:47):
father also worked at, RonaldSr.
SPEAKER_04 (03:51):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (03:52):
And um he got it set up.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (03:55):
It was it was just horrific.
SPEAKER_00 (03:56):
But selfishness was just that's what gets me about,
like, you know, um my parentsare very and I'm the I'm the
only child.
I'm my dad's only child.
I have two sisters, um, but wedon't have the same dad.
But I was my dad's only childand my stepmom's only child.
She didn't have any, you know,biological children, and they
(04:17):
were very well off, but theynever gave me anything.
Even things that they helped meget, I always paid back, which
taught me a very strong workethic because I was made to pay
them back what I owed them, andnothing was handed to me.
And I didn't appreciate thatwhen I was a kid because I knew
(04:42):
they had it like that, but Iappreciate it.
I appreciated it as uh I startedreally understanding that in my
mid to late 20s.
Like, oh, I get it now.
SPEAKER_04 (04:52):
And then from then on, you're good to go.
You're gonna earn your way,right?
Exactly.
Yeah, we're teaching Silas alittle bit of that, right?
SPEAKER_00 (04:58):
We've taught all of our kids that uh we've made them
get jobs early on, like as soonas they turn 16, like the day
after.
SPEAKER_03 (05:06):
No, Lindsay.
As soon as they could pullalong.
SPEAKER_00 (05:09):
Okay, okay.
Uh corporate jobs from the timethat they're 16.
SPEAKER_03 (05:14):
But early on for you gotta work, nothing is handed to
you.
SPEAKER_00 (05:20):
Um now, like I said, he did have a job through the
family business.
He was earning his own money,but he still felt like uh he was
entitled to more.
Butch Butch DeFeo.
He stole a deposit, he gotanother co-worker involved in
that.
He was violent towards hisfamily.
(05:41):
Um talked really shitty abouthis family after the murders
happened.
He initially tried to pin it ona mob hitman because his family
was Italian, both families, bothsides, foot mother and the
father.
Tried to pin it on a mob hitman,and well, that guy had an
airtight alibi, and within 24hours, Butch admitted to
(06:06):
everything.
SPEAKER_04 (06:07):
Yeah, and you can't be that selfish and dump that
back on your parents, which hasgiven you a good way of life,
enough to where he can party anddo his own things.
Then he started bringing peopleinto the household before all
that.
SPEAKER_00 (06:19):
So it was like Yeah, he was just bringing people over
to party without permission.
I mean, the Amityville House,uh, 112 Ocean Avenue is uh is a
very, very nice home.
And um it's a big house, a lotof room, wet bar.
It's I mean, it's got everythingyou need for a party.
(06:40):
It had a heated swimming pool.
So if he had been, I'm sure,nice to his family, his parents,
and said, Hey, I'm having somefriends over, is it okay if we
have a little get together?
That would have been a differentstory.
But he did it without permissionall the time.
SPEAKER_04 (06:57):
And uh nutted up, got his lip poked out, and then
he decided to kill the wholedamn family.
SPEAKER_00 (07:03):
The whole family.
SPEAKER_04 (07:04):
Fuck.
SPEAKER_00 (07:06):
Fuck.
So after he admitted to it, umhis defense uh still tried to
because he did have some mentalissues.
I I mean, in my opinion, youdon't you're not able to do
something like that with withoutsome kind of underlying mental
(07:27):
issue.
Yeah.
At least uh at least one thing.
I mean, he had a couple ofthings wrong with him.
SPEAKER_04 (07:33):
Um Well, I believe it was like what it said, like
he did his dad first, right?
Or was it his mom first?
SPEAKER_00 (07:41):
It was his parents.
Oh well, what he said in hisconfession is he started with
them and then he just went roomby room and it went went
happened so fast.
SPEAKER_04 (07:51):
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_00 (07:52):
I I put the direct quote in the episode.
SPEAKER_04 (07:54):
That's where that's where the debility like leveled
up, like his whole in insanity,I think, leveled up after he
physically did that and he waslike, I'm doing the whole
family.
Because I I I think heoriginally had planned just to
just to get probably his dadfirst, and then No, he hated his
brothers and sisters just aswell.
SPEAKER_00 (08:12):
He had a lot of animosity.
SPEAKER_04 (08:13):
So horrifically selfish, man.
SPEAKER_00 (08:15):
I've heard we gotta remember we can't talk at the
same time on this app.
SPEAKER_04 (08:20):
Well, it didn't do it last time that we did that.
SPEAKER_00 (08:22):
Because we were making sure that we paused and
allowed each other to speak.
We just have to remember thatbecause I know on one of the
recaps we do kind of cancel eachother out.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (08:31):
Uh y'all let us know if it's a horrific thing because
I want to say things instead ofjust being quiet.
SPEAKER_00 (08:38):
So, anyways, after he has admitted and confessed to
his family annihilation, um, hetries to change his story later
on.
And uh they try to do theinsanity defense that he didn't
remember committing the murders,that uh there was an entity in
(09:00):
the house that told him tocommit these murders, but none
of that worked out.
He, I mean, he died in prison.
But in between, he changed hisstory several times.
He tried to pin it on hissister, then he tried to pin it
on sister and an unknownassailant.
I mean, just he changed hisstory a lot.
SPEAKER_04 (09:21):
He was a loopy, goofy goober.
SPEAKER_00 (09:24):
So then a year later, just a year, a little
over a year later, the Defeo, Imean, the Lutz family is looking
for a home.
They are a blended family.
Um, it was George and KathyLutz.
George had married Kathy and herthree kids, because when you
when you marry a woman who hasthree children, you marry their
(09:47):
children too.
SPEAKER_04 (09:48):
And they need a bigger home.
SPEAKER_00 (09:49):
They need a bigger home, and their budget was
between$30,000 and$50,000.
They looked at many homes,couldn't find anything.
Realtors like, hey, this newproperty is on the market, but
it's$80 grand, but it haseverything you want, everything
(10:09):
you need.
Hit me up, I got you mine.
Yeah, and I think that's littlewhite, by the way.
SPEAKER_04 (10:17):
Yeah, I think that time was over with it, it was
$85,000 because you know, allthe taxes and everything.
So way out of their budget.
Way out of their budget.
SPEAKER_00 (10:25):
But when they looked at the home and seen the size of
it and everything it came with,because it was five-bedroom,
what did I say, five-bedroom,four, three bath or four baths?
SPEAKER_04 (10:35):
Five four, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:36):
Five, four, and it had a boathouse, it had a wet
bar, finished basement, all theall the all the things, heated
swimming pool.
Um, they're like, Oh, I knowthis is way out of our budget,
but why is it so cheap?
And uh realtors like, well, somemurders happened here.
(10:56):
Told them straight up.
Told them.
And I did say this in the in theepisode two.
There was literally still bulletholes in the furniture and chalk
lines.
And they bought the fuckingfurniture.
They bought the furniture.
They got it too for$400 extradollars.
It's not worth it.
I don't know, man.
SPEAKER_01 (11:14):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_04 (11:15):
Well, I'll be able to I would have to pick which
one part because they had thebeds and everything except for
the mattresses, of course.
But they bought the beds andeverything.
I don't think I I don't know,man.
I d I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (11:28):
Every single bed had a dead person in it.
Like every single one.
Oh, face down.
Face down.
Oh so they buy the house becausethey're like, we're not spooked,
we don't believe in theparanormal.
And we'll just have a priestcome in, even though they
weren't religious.
We'll just have a priest come inand bless it.
(11:49):
Well, according to um previousstories from this time, the
priest had a lot of issues too.
Like he came in and blessed it,but he felt some bad energy.
He declined a stay for dinnerafter he after he blessed it.
And um he had problems after heleft, allegedly.
(12:15):
Um, just when he would thinkabout the Lutzes, uh, he would
get he would get sick and thingswould happen to him.
Crazy shit.
And then the Lutzes start havingall kinds of problems.
George uh becomes pretty muchwhat they what you would call
(12:36):
possessed.
Um he starts to slack off on hishygiene, his appearance, his
work.
SPEAKER_04 (12:45):
He gave up on life.
SPEAKER_00 (12:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (12:46):
Yeah, he was just existing.
SPEAKER_00 (12:48):
And he could never get warm.
He was obsessed with makingfires and always had to stay in
front of the fire.
Um the kids saw black flies, notin their Chardonnay, but in the
windows.
Um from the windows to thewalls, they weren't like black
flies.
Uh, they saw black substance inthe toilet, both toilets, uh,
(13:13):
and there was a foul smell.
Then shit just starts gettingeven more wild.
Um they there, I didn't mentionthis in the story, but this is
uh allegedly one thing thathappened.
There was a statue that wasmoved.
There was money that wentmissing from another member of
(13:34):
the family who George wasentrusted.
It was was it a cousin or abrother-in-law was getting
married, something like that,and he brought them money, or he
brought George money for thecaterer, and that money just
disappeared.
And that's that that's a littlered flag for me because what the
(13:58):
fuck does an entity or a spiritor a ghost need with money?
SPEAKER_04 (14:03):
The beginning of the whole scam to me.
SPEAKER_00 (14:05):
Yeah.
And I I apologize for notputting that in the initial pod.
Um, I had I remember saying Ineed to add this to the notes,
and it never happened becauseADHD and things like that.
Um, but I'm talking about itnow.
So yeah, there was money thatwent missing, there were statues
that were moved.
(14:26):
People, uh, the the family waspushed, shoved, um, tormented.
The little girl though, Missy,Melissa, uh, she went by Missy,
she she made a friend.
Her and its name was Jody, thethe male pig.
SPEAKER_04 (14:44):
That's right.
That's right.
I sang a song about that.
SPEAKER_00 (14:47):
She felt she didn't feel no issues with it, but the
rest of the family was scared ofit.
Um, and the rocking chair in herroom would move a lot.
SPEAKER_04 (14:55):
Well, the red eyes with the pig was kind of yeah,
the red eyes, pig face.
SPEAKER_00 (14:59):
I mean, I guess that can be scary um to the rest of
the family.
But Jody, I mean, uh, Missy feltno no ill will to that was her
buddy.
That was her imaginary friend.
When do we get to the fuckingmarching band, bro?
Well, I was getting there next.
Fucking marching band.
So uh a marching band on in thewitching hour appears in their
(15:23):
living room, or the or notappears, but they hear it.
They hear the noises of amarching band, not once, not
twice, about three times.
And um, like I said, in theepisode, I I don't see anything
scary about that, but that'sjust me.
SPEAKER_04 (15:40):
We'd be in the living room juking to it.
SPEAKER_00 (15:44):
I would be like, let me borrow your clarinet.
Let me see what I can remember.
SPEAKER_04 (15:49):
I'm playing the drum line all day, dude.
I'm not doing no wind woodfucking brass horn shit.
I'm playing the drum line, bro.
SPEAKER_00 (15:57):
No, we would be giving them orders.
We would have requests.
Oh, we just have our little playLouie Louie.
SPEAKER_01 (16:03):
Wow, wow, wow, wow.
SPEAKER_00 (16:05):
Wow, wow.
Waw wah wow.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, Mr.
Holland's opus in this bitch.
Opus.
So we love March and May's.
I'm so sorry.
Uh, we probably were the worstpeople to cover this family
(16:27):
because we kind of likeeverything that they went
through except the black fliesand the black toilet bowl.
I would just get some bleach.
SPEAKER_04 (16:33):
And the the red eyes.
Come on, I ain't got red eyeslooking at me.
SPEAKER_00 (16:38):
I have ghosts.
I have not ghosts.
I have two leather face maskswatching me sleep every night.
SPEAKER_04 (16:45):
Every night.
And and you know what?
We left them around the house inour bedroom, actually, all damn
year long.
SPEAKER_00 (16:51):
Like, they're just on mannequin heads on our
dresser.
We keep them preserved forsilence because they were
expensive.
They were easy of us, one with70 and one was that?
Who does that?
I got witch hats on them rightnow.
They're all dressed up and cute.
SPEAKER_04 (17:06):
Uh there's some Edgeen fucking Tennessees over
here, man.
We're like kind of gainish, man.
It's a little gainish there,man.
SPEAKER_00 (17:14):
One of those masks was$70 and one was$80.
We are not letting them get tornup.
SPEAKER_04 (17:19):
Yeah, we didn't want to put them in the box in the
garage in the heat all summerlong.
SPEAKER_00 (17:24):
So they are permanent figures in our
bedroom.
SPEAKER_04 (17:27):
This is a Gen Z party.
Oh Lord, at the things they haveseen.
SPEAKER_01 (17:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (17:36):
No, I don't know.
I think it's amazing, man.
I'm gonna smile with my bottomteeth.
SPEAKER_00 (17:42):
They enjoy the show.
Um, but anyway, so now the Lutzfamily, they get out of the
house after they experience uhum a hurricane that only happens
to them, power outages that onlyhappens to them, um burning hot
temperatures in the house.
I mean, it's just all kinds ofcrazy shit.
(18:04):
Um, watch Amityville horror,look up this case.
This is every it is everythingthat they said happened to them
is in um the book and the movie.
But so they take off after 28days.
Oh yeah, and then the the theprevious lawyer hit them up,
(18:25):
right?
The lawyer, yes, uh Ronald DeFeoJr.'s lawyer hits uh meets that
they they they become buds.
Um and he's like, Oh, you hadsome stuff happen to you in that
house.
Well, do you want to testify tothis and and and help me get my
client a lesser sentence?
(18:46):
I don't think that that hap Idon't think that that happened
because like I said, Ronald uhButch Butch DeFeo died in prison
in 2021, so he was in theresince then.
Um but he promised them uh apercentage off of a book deal
because he was gonna write abook about the whole issue.
(19:07):
But um Jay Anson was the onethat ended up writing the book,
and and then the movie was basedoff of that.
Jay Anson was like, I'll giveyou 50%.
They were promised 12 by WilliamWeber, right?
SPEAKER_03 (19:21):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (19:22):
So um they went with that, and um, you you can look
up everybody that they sued,everybody that sued them.
Oh, and of course, I forgot allabout Ed and Lorraine Warren's
Warren's appearance, and um howthey capitalized off of a tour
(19:46):
of that house after the Letz'smoved out before it was sold to
the next family, who, by theway, did not have any um
paranormal activity happen tothem, and neither has any of the
owners all the way up until now.
SPEAKER_04 (20:04):
Other than just talking a picture of somebody
that was on their crew.
SPEAKER_00 (20:08):
Well, hold on, that was before the next family moved
in.
So, yeah, so they took a pictureand they made it seem like the
Warrens did.
They made it seem like this wasa picture of uh the ghost of one
of the DeFeo boys.
No, that was a team member oftheirs, uh Paul Bart.
And um, but they capitalized offof that, they made money off of,
(20:29):
they made money off ofeverything, and we're gonna get
so much more into the Warrens inthe next couple of weeks.
So the next family that lives inthat house, they are now people
are standing outside after themovies come out, they can't even
live there because they'regetting harassed.
They sue the Ludzes becausethey're like, You're full of
(20:51):
shit.
There's nothing wrong with thishouse.
We're not experiencing anyparanormal activity, we're not
having any problems here.
We love this house, but we can'tlive in it because of you.
Because you have nowsensationalized our home.
SPEAKER_04 (21:03):
And then who wants to have to live in a spectacle?
Right.
Yeah, a tourist attraction, mayI say?
SPEAKER_05 (21:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (21:10):
You know, and then that's what they've built it up
to, and it's all fuckingbullshit.
And we've all fed into itbecause we all loved watching
those movies and thinking thatwas.
SPEAKER_00 (21:18):
Well, and like like I said, you know, I would have
rode by the house just to saythat I saw it, but I wouldn't
have I mean, people were sittingin their front lawn demanding
entry, and it was it was reallywild.
It's it was really wild what thenext family went through, and
they were there for about 10years.
But I mean, all the next uh allthe future owners of this home
(21:39):
had no issues whatsoever.
And um, they even changed, theychanged the windows to where
they didn't look like eyeslooking out looking out at you,
and they changed the address.
So um, yeah, so that is prettymuch what wraps it up.
Um, the Lutzes made some money,some some good money off of uh
(22:06):
what supposedly happened to themin 28 days that they in the in
the 28 days that they lived at112 Ocean Avenue.
Um old uh Butch Butch Defeo, hereally tried, he really tried
really hard to uh they lied.
They lied.
I mean, I I really believe that.
SPEAKER_04 (22:26):
Unless anybody wants to prove much different, I would
love to hear a story.
SPEAKER_00 (22:29):
Now I am, I mean, I I'm really hoping that a priest
didn't lie.
And I'm curious to know whatactually happened to him.
Now, maybe he felt just an evilpresence because of what had
happened in that house.
Um but I don't this is what Idon't understand.
(22:51):
Usually when an evil entity isin the house, it's because the
people that had either beenslain there or people that live
there that died are stillhaunting the place.
Well, I mean, there was nothingwrong, there was nothing evil
about the rest of the DeFeofamily that were slain there.
(23:12):
And Ronald was alive, and RonaldJr., Butch, he was alive and in
prison.
So what was there?
Yeah, um, but at the same time,he was trying to say that
something that was there beforehim had coaxed him into these
murder.
But that the DeFeos had lived inthat home for almost a decade
(23:34):
without any problems.
SPEAKER_04 (23:36):
Yeah, it would have happened like as soon as they
got there, just like the otherfamily.
It's all bullshit.
It's all bullshit.
SPEAKER_00 (23:44):
But we are very we are very cynical, but at the
same time, we do believe webelieve in spirits and
paranormal.
We have both experienced thingslike that in in our past.
I I mean, actually in thishouse.
Um but this just sounds likebullshit to me, all of it.
(24:04):
Um uh Butch Defeo was a piece ofshit who murdered his family,
and I think that the Lutzes gotin over their head financially
and uh decided to use what hadhappened in that house to their
advantage.
SPEAKER_04 (24:22):
So honestly, Lindsay, do you think that
spirits mostly latch on tocertain areas and stay, or do
they kind of float by sometimes?
SPEAKER_00 (24:33):
I honestly don't know.
SPEAKER_04 (24:36):
Um you know, because there was like a pretty big
murder not too far from here.
SPEAKER_00 (24:42):
Yeah, there was.
But I don't know.
I I mean I I I I can't tell you.
SPEAKER_04 (24:48):
Isn't that a cool conspiracy, like a or a thought,
really?
Like, what if, you know,sometimes they latch onto things
or whatever, and sometimes itcould be somebody from from uh
the their past or whatever justsaying bye or whatever or kind
of swinging by, you know?
Because I think it it's all onebig huge thing that um your soul
(25:12):
and everything is part of waymore than what we can imagine.
So they can be in differentspots, they don't just hang on,
you know?
I don't know.
It's just my thoughts.
SPEAKER_00 (25:22):
So you think that spirits that are left behind in
a home, they they ain't gottastay there.
They can get out, they can dowhatever they want.
SPEAKER_04 (25:31):
I think there's so many stipulations in that.
SPEAKER_00 (25:33):
Me too.
Like I I honestly have noinsight as to how I think that
works because that is beyond mythought process.
SPEAKER_04 (25:41):
I kind of like the new theory that they've been
putting out on movies and stuffbecause it it's kind of like the
unfinished business thing, whichwe've we uh we experienced that
with Casper growing up, right?
And it's and it's kind of it'sit's evolving since then.
Honestly, that was my firstexperience with like the
unfinished business type thing,right?
SPEAKER_00 (25:59):
Me too, me too.
I mean, uh I mean that was ourgeneration.
SPEAKER_04 (26:02):
It was the Casper.
Yeah, yeah.
And I feel like I feel likethat, you know, there could be
an unfinished something, ormaybe they just they're wanting
uh they're wanting a little bitmore time, you know, and who
knows what the the concept oftime is if you're a spiritual
entity or or whatever.
So maybe what they're thinkingis could could last years or
(26:26):
just a few seconds, you know,just a passing by like a little
hay, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (26:31):
And also, furthermore, but how do you
finish their business?
SPEAKER_04 (26:35):
I uh maybe it's uh a feeling or something that you
notice, and then they noticethat you notice and they're
good, you know?
That could be it.
It doesn't have to be like thisbig thing, right?
You know, or a little red, a redmocking bird or something over
there on the tree.
SPEAKER_00 (26:50):
Well it's not mocking bird, it's cardinal.
Cardinal.
We do uh this tree right outsideof our window here.
There is red uh um just in thelast few years, he lost his
father, I lost my grandmother.
They were both, I mean, youknow, big part of our life, and
we noticed that we see a lotmore red birds out there now.
(27:11):
Um in just in that area, andit's only about once a week.
SPEAKER_04 (27:17):
Yeah, and even through like the fall season and
everything, you'll see differentuh larger ones, you know, where
they're flying down or whatever.
It's kind of cool becausethere's an evolution of birds,
and then the warmer climate oneswill move on down south, and the
you know, the ones from up northup they'll come in and show up
and they're on our fence andright there.
So that's a cool thing, youknow.
And I believe that animals, theydo what God tells them to do,
(27:39):
you know?
So maybe that's a little littlepiece of them kind of just you
know, or it's just me rememberremembering, but at the same
time, that's how people doremember things, you know.
If you can associate that withsomething simple like that,
maybe that's that'll completeunfinished business as well.
SPEAKER_00 (27:56):
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (27:56):
You know?
SPEAKER_00 (27:56):
So that's just a little just a little visit.
SPEAKER_04 (27:58):
That's my thoughts.
SPEAKER_00 (27:59):
That's my thoughts.
But I really hate when um peopletry to capitalize or come up
from any kind of paranormalactivity, as far as um saying
(28:21):
that that was the reason whythey did something bad.
SPEAKER_04 (28:25):
Oh, manifesting something that's not even really
there, too, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (28:29):
Just like, you know, Ronald saying or or Butch saying
that um, you know, somethingtold him to annihilate his
family, and then the Lutzfamily, I I honestly think that
they were in over their heads itfinancially, and uh they were
looking for a way out, yeah, andthey found one.
So and the children were youngenough to be coaxed into
(28:57):
believing that things happenedto them.
Um that happens all the time.
It's not that's not new, that'snot that's not a new theory,
that happens all the time.
Right.
People, I mean, go back andlisten to our episode about the
McMartin preschool.
I mean, there was a whole lot ofkids who were coaxed into
believing something that did nothappen.
SPEAKER_04 (29:19):
The level of manipulation, you know, should
be a crime in its own.
You know, you you don't do thatto children, you don't because
if they're gonna hang on to thatfor the rest of their lives, you
know.
That's a crime in its own.
Nobody ever charges anybody withthat shit.
Why?
It's like, yeah, we won't talkabout that.
But fuck.
Bruno has been in the fuckingstory so many times we ain't
(29:42):
talked about him, you know?
It's just like It's 'cause wedon't talk about Bruno.
I know, but like he is showingthe fuck up in a lot of these
stories, and there's a lot oflittle things like, okay.
Um, especially like certainsituations where I'm like, fuck,
that's all they got.
They're already out of prison.
That's all they got.
What about all the manipulationand all the shit that's been
going on here, Lindsay?
(30:03):
You've been dropping over here,bud.
You know?
There's just been a lot of thatthat I'm like, dude, if I was a
prosecutor or a judge orsomething, dude, I would be
going, because you know thesepeople are dead to rights,
fucking wrong.
But shitty ass people.
SPEAKER_00 (30:16):
But there's still people sitting in prison for
usage of marijuana that is nowlegal.
SPEAKER_04 (30:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (30:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (30:24):
That should have been that should have been
annulled then.
SPEAKER_00 (30:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (30:26):
That should have been a complaint.
SPEAKER_00 (30:28):
Pardon.
Right?
How do you how do you change thelaw?
SPEAKER_04 (30:32):
Right.
I agree with you.
I agree with you.
And we're not even we're noteven big old uh greenery type.
No, we're not.
SPEAKER_00 (30:38):
We're not gardeners, but we support it.
Yeah.
If that's what you want to do,that's fine.
SPEAKER_04 (30:43):
Recreationally.
SPEAKER_00 (30:44):
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (30:44):
Yes.
I mean, you know, and and we wepartake in our things
recreationally, but not we don'tabuse it.
We don't abuse it, right?
Where it starts changing whatthe fuck you're doing with your
household and your money.
Yeah.
No.
SPEAKER_00 (30:57):
We're responsible drinkers.
SPEAKER_04 (30:58):
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Well, on weekends we ain'tleaving this damn house.
No.
We're here.
We're hanging out.
Tomorrow.
I think we're gonna leave and dosome stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (31:06):
Yeah, we're gonna leave and then drink.
Yeah.
We're gonna go to HalloweenHorror Nights.
Uh yes.
And we're recording this on aFriday, but this will be in your
ears and in your faces onWednesday.
And uh we hope you have a greathump day.
We're gonna wrap this up.
Make sure you listen to what didyou it was supposed to be called
112 Ocean Avenue.
SPEAKER_04 (31:28):
Yeah, but I like that.
SPEAKER_00 (31:30):
Stop changing the names of my episodes.
SPEAKER_04 (31:32):
But the band, man.
I had to put the band in there,man.
SPEAKER_00 (31:36):
Anyway, I don't know what he named it.
I'm so sorry.
It was supposed to be called 112Ocean Avenue.
Because there were two storiesin one that happened at 112
Ocean Avenue.
SPEAKER_04 (31:47):
The cool thing about it, Lynn's, I have the power to
change things.
SPEAKER_00 (31:50):
I know.
I'm trying to figure out, I'mtrying to see what you named it
so I can tell the listeners togo back.
SPEAKER_04 (31:54):
Tell the peeps I've done wrong.
This is unfinished business forme over here.
SPEAKER_00 (32:01):
I think I like it, man.
Okay, so he named it AmityvilleMurder Myth and a Marching Band,
which is fine.
But 112 Ocean Avenue would havestill been great.
It's straight and to the pointbecause two two different things
happen at 112 Ocean Avenue.
I get it.
But it is no longer that episodeor that episode, that address.
(32:22):
So don't bother those people.
Um if you want to look it up,you can.
You can find it very easily.
Just drive by their house so youcan say you saw it.
Um but don't bother them becausethey don't deserve that.
Anyhow.
SPEAKER_04 (32:34):
Maybe this is my way of getting back at you for
destroying me on so manypodcasts and just keep naming
your shit wrong.
SPEAKER_00 (32:41):
Stay tuned for Friday when we will be talking
about another case that Ed andLorraine Warren are involved in.
And uh some more devil, somemore New England, some more
double.
Yeah, some more spooks forOctober because we are in spooky
(33:01):
season.
And it's I I just changed mylittle countdown to Halloween
today, and there's only 14 daysleft, and I am very sad about
that.
But by the time this comes out,there's only gonna be seven days
left.
It's going by too fast.
We wait all year for this, andthen it's like blip.
SPEAKER_04 (33:20):
Doesn't it?
We start in like September.
SPEAKER_00 (33:22):
We start, yeah, we start spooky season actually.
SPEAKER_04 (33:25):
August 99.
We we clock in, and it's like,okay, we got one minute till
September.
We're on.
We start unloading shit.
We we the whole house isdecorated within five minutes,
and we live in it, basking init.
SPEAKER_00 (33:38):
And it stays decorated until Thanksgiving.
And then we just switch rightover to Christmas.
SPEAKER_04 (33:42):
Check out some of our videos.
We've posted some of the houseand stuff, but we're gonna do
more of that, of course, becauseyou know, we got a Halloween
taco nine.
SPEAKER_00 (33:52):
Yes, and we're gonna make a couple of TikToks later
on this evening when it gets alittle darker, a little more
spooky.
SPEAKER_04 (33:57):
It's gonna be fun.
It's gonna be fun.
I need another drink.
We're gonna do some morepodcasting.
So follow along.
SPEAKER_00 (34:02):
And we've made charcuterie, and we're I'm gonna
graze a little more.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (34:06):
We're gonna graze, and we're gonna do the shits.
And I'm gonna misname everypodcast from here on.
SPEAKER_00 (34:11):
So we're gonna see you.
We're gonna we're we won't seeyou on Friday, but make sure you
tune in on Friday for Was theDevil in Connecticut?
SPEAKER_04 (34:21):
Oh, that's that's what you want to name that one?
SPEAKER_00 (34:23):
That is the name of it, sir.
SPEAKER_04 (34:25):
Okay, we okay, I got you.
I will forget.
SPEAKER_00 (34:29):
We make sure that you like, share, comment, um,
subscribe.
We are on you.
We're we're here.
We're here on YouTube.
SPEAKER_01 (34:37):
And Lindsay, you know, you who knew you'd be
hated for being who you are.
I'm hated?
SPEAKER_04 (34:45):
No, me.
I'm talking about you.
There's a bull's bullseyepainted on my chest, man.
Sorry.
SPEAKER_00 (34:50):
But I love that song.
SPEAKER_04 (34:51):
I know, but I didn't mean to not.
SPEAKER_00 (34:53):
I'm not I'm not hating.
When I write out the script, Ititle it, and that's what I want
the episode to be named, and hechanges.
SPEAKER_04 (35:01):
I get creative every time.
I get creative.
I can't help it.
SPEAKER_00 (35:04):
You can hate me today.
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_04 (35:07):
If you want to.
SPEAKER_00 (35:08):
I don't hate you.
SPEAKER_04 (35:09):
Are you?
SPEAKER_00 (35:09):
But we're gonna wrap this up.
We're going past our time.
SPEAKER_04 (35:11):
I mean, you could hate me tomorrow, too.
SPEAKER_00 (35:13):
We love you so much.
Yeah.
And uh we'll we'll we'll uh tunein on Friday.
We'll see you Friday.
We'll we'll I don't know.
We'll we'll do the thing.
SPEAKER_04 (35:21):
I'm smiling with my bottom teeth.
Y'all can't see shit on here.
All right.
We'll see you guys.
SPEAKER_00 (35:28):
We love you so much, and bye!
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