October 8, 2025 • 43 mins
The seltzers crack open, the laundry hums, and we dive straight into the story that haunts American horror: Ed Gein. Coming off a nine-day run through New England and a somber detour to Gettysburg, we trace the path from a Plainfield farmhouse to the birth of a cultural myth, focusing on the small, brutal truths that too many summaries skip. We talk about Augusta’s iron grip, the isolation that starved Ed of normal life, and the suspicion around Henry’s death that left him even more alone. Then we walk through the squalor, the grave robbing, and the mother-obsession that shaped his most disturbing acts—not to sensationalize them, but to understand the forces that pushed a damaged mind over the edge.
From there, we map how Hollywood picked up the pieces. Psycho, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and Silence of the Lambs didn’t copy Gein; they transformed the raw material into stories about control, identity, and terror. We compare what each got right, what they invented, and why those choices still shape how people think about real cases. Along the way, we weigh schizophrenia and dissociation as reported in Gein’s case, keep a clear line between explanation and excuse, and talk honestly about the officers who walked into that house and carried its aftermath for years.
The road-trip energy sneaks in, too—Lizzie Borden’s house, the hush of Gettysburg’s fields, and the way music and history can deepen empathy for victims. It’s a conversation that blends research, reflection, and a few raw laughs to keep us grounded while we handle heavy material. If you want a thoughtful, unflinching look at how abuse, isolation, and illness intersected with one of the bleakest chapters in true crime—and how that chapter echoed through film and TV—this one’s for you.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Hey Jesse.
Hello.
Hello.
Hello.
Hello.
Hello.
Hello.
Hello.
SPEAKER_00 (00:08):
Hello.
SPEAKER_02 (00:09):
Hello.
SPEAKER_00 (00:10):
Sorry, guys.
So um we're a little well, Ican't say jet lagged.
Um, we're car lagged because wejust pulled in not too long ago
from our nine-day trip to NewEngland.
So I look a little rough, andbut that's okay.
It's whatever.
This is natural because this israw, uncut, and unedited recap
(00:35):
with Jesse and Lindsay.
SPEAKER_01 (00:37):
You're kicking ass.
We're kicking ass.
We're back in Florida finally.
SPEAKER_00 (00:41):
We are in Florida.
We have been everywhere, butwe're gonna have a whole episode
recapping our trip.
But real quick, so what we aredrinking today, we got these in
Gettysburg.
Hold yours up.
SPEAKER_01 (00:53):
Yeah, uh Appalachian Brewing Company.
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (00:58):
Awesome.
It's called Trinity FlavorsSkinny Orange Crush.
This is a vodka seltzer that wegot in Gettysburg.
So Gettysburg was kind of thelast leg.
We're gonna open them realquick.
SPEAKER_01 (01:12):
Yeah, poppy pop.
I'm with you.
Was the last.
Good, too.
Now Hell Patters needs to get onthis shit right here.
It's good.
It's so good.
Cheers.
Cheers.
SPEAKER_00 (01:27):
Gettysburg was our last official stay on our very
long trip.
Um, but we did end up getting aroom in South Carolina to break
up the long stretch home becausefrom Gettysburg to Lake City,
Florida is 13 hours.
SPEAKER_01 (01:42):
If you're ever in Gettysburg, hit this up right
here.
SPEAKER_00 (01:45):
And make sure you stay tuned for our recap of our
trip and you will see why wedidn't want to do that.
So we have been all over NewEngland and uh we're home, we're
unpacked, we're doing laundry.
We got the kid outsidedecorating our outside fridge
with some stickers I got in themail.
SPEAKER_01 (02:04):
It's making it look beautiful.
So if you hear some noise in thebackground, that's him.
SPEAKER_00 (02:07):
Yeah, it's just him, raw, uncut and unedited.
And I got this amazing Bucky'scup.
She went to Bushies on the wayhome today.
She went on down to Bush'sbecause it says Bucky's put a
spell on you, and it's so cute,and it glows in the dark.
And I'm really happy with my cupfor the Halloween season.
And happy spooky season.
(02:27):
Yes.
Officially, we are in October.
We're in October.
October.
We love October so much.
Like, we are in an October stateof mind year round, and we
literally start Halloween in ourhouse right at the first of
September.
SPEAKER_01 (02:44):
The best.
And we got to go when we went tothe house.
We saw it was just the weatherwas foliage.
All the leaves were starting tochange.
SPEAKER_00 (02:51):
Everything was I miss the weather already.
We've been back for two hours,and I'm already like I've
already sweat twice, and I missthe weather.
I miss the weather up there.
SPEAKER_01 (03:01):
Yeah, we're wearing it again.
It was just like up there,you're like the the air is
thick, and it's like you'reyou're biting the air, but down
here you're wearing the air.
SPEAKER_00 (03:10):
Yes, it's like your clothes.
SPEAKER_01 (03:12):
It's like a second layer.
It's like we just changed, butwe didn't.
You know, we just we got here,whole nother layer of just
Florida is on us.
SPEAKER_00 (03:23):
I got the burps.
But this is really good.
Like I said, skinny orangecrush.
We went into, like I said, we'regonna do a full recap of the
trip, but we went into a coupleof bars.
So much to tell you.
So much, and we're gonna we'regonna give y'all like
recommendations for we'rereconnecting.
(03:47):
If you still see this, you gottareconnect.
SPEAKER_01 (03:50):
I think it's doing something.
So there we go.
Who knows?
SPEAKER_00 (03:53):
We're having a little technical issues.
SPEAKER_01 (03:55):
I'm not happy with this thing that we're trying
out.
I'm still learning it.
SPEAKER_00 (03:59):
Yeah, we're still learning.
We're still babies, we're stillpodcast babies.
But um, we went to a couple ofbars in Gettysburg.
Well, technically three, becausethe place that we ate dinner at
was also had a full bar.
Full by.
Can't wait to tell you aboutthat.
We'll tell you about the full bythe full bye.
So um, anyway, so this one wasour last one for the night.
(04:21):
And um, I was just like, Do youguys have seltzers?
And she was like, Yeah.
So I had what I had probably twothere, and she was like, Do you
want some to go?
And I'm like, Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:33):
Here you go.
SPEAKER_00 (04:34):
Just a few of them.
And I just have to say,everybody was so nice.
No rude people, period.
Our whole trip.
But we'll get into that.
SPEAKER_01 (04:45):
We'll talk about all that next.
We're today.
SPEAKER_00 (04:48):
We're here to recap our episode on Ed Gean.
So as of yesterday, becausewe're we're recording this on uh
Saturday, October 4th.
As of yesterday, now the serieshas come out on Netflix.
We gotta we gotta watch it, andwe'll probably recap that too.
SPEAKER_01 (05:07):
I'm gonna watch it at night.
I'm probably gonna crash thefucking.
SPEAKER_00 (05:09):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
We're gonna re-watch it though.
We're gonna read we'll recapthat series and see what we
think about it.
That'll be a good idea.
SPEAKER_01 (05:15):
I think so.
SPEAKER_00 (05:16):
Yes.
So, recapping my research and myuh my coverage on Edgeen.
So, from Plainsfield, I'm sorry,I keep saying Plainsfield, but
it's just Plainfield, Wisconsin.
Okay, Wisconsin.
In um, you know, he was born inI gotta re-look at my notes
(05:36):
because it's been like twoweeks.
So he's born in very early1900s.
He was born in 06.
It was well feels like I mean,just like two weeks.
We recorded Lizzie Borden inLizzie Borden's house.
SPEAKER_01 (05:51):
So please, please before that, and all the trip
and everything.
It's just it feels like wehaven't sat right here in
forever.
It's crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (06:00):
I mean, nine days is a long time to be away from your
home.
This is the longest we've beenaway from our house ever.
SPEAKER_01 (06:07):
Since we moved in here.
SPEAKER_00 (06:08):
Since we moved in here, the longest we've been
away from our home.
So it was very nice walking inthe door today.
I got all my nice, I got all mywax warmers going, my essential
oils, candles.
SPEAKER_01 (06:19):
Like she lamp and just got the fall going as soon
as she came in.
It's like, I need pumpkineverything.
SPEAKER_00 (06:25):
Pumpkin, everything.
We're reconnecting again.
I hope you guys can still hearus.
SPEAKER_01 (06:30):
I was like, I gotta, I gotta have 30 minutes, dude.
I needed 30 minutes off theroad, 30 minutes, something.
SPEAKER_00 (06:37):
Lots of driving.
SPEAKER_01 (06:38):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (06:38):
So Ed was born in early 1900s, 1906, to be exact.
And um, mom and pop, not thatgreat a role model.
SPEAKER_01 (06:49):
No, no.
SPEAKER_00 (06:50):
George was an alcoholic and kind of a piece of
shit.
So because he was a piece ofshit, Augusta kind of took the
role as mama and daddy and atthe same time.
SPEAKER_01 (07:03):
He was like, he was she was kind of taking him on as
like whatever she wanted him tobe.
Ed, you know, and it was justwasn't healthy.
SPEAKER_00 (07:14):
No, how she was kind of babying the baby, and it was
like well, so she wanted shewanted girls, and she ended up
having two boys.
So she was disappointed withHenry, older brother Henry.
So she decided that she wasgoing to make Ed what she wanted
him to be.
That's what I'm saying, yes.
But she isolate, she wanted toisolate both of her children,
(07:37):
like, which is insane.
The isolation period will take atoll on you.
Like, she didn't want them tohave friends, and when they did
get friends, she would badmouththem and their family.
SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
Yeah, and that was like the beginning of the whole
salad, like everything was beingcreated in that weird, like
stripping away of humanity.
Like they they they isolatedthem so much that they just did
not know how to be part ofsociety.
SPEAKER_00 (08:08):
No, you know, along with the abuse from George, and
I mean, and it was even said, Idon't rem I'm not quite sure if
I talked about this in theepisode, but it was said that
even when George would beabusive to Augusta, that she
(08:28):
would belittle him in the middleof the abuse.
SPEAKER_02 (08:32):
Really?
SPEAKER_00 (08:33):
Like you're like calling him a piece of shit.
And I'm not even gonna lie.
Um I was in an abusive marriagea long time ago, and I was like
that, and it wasn't because thatwas my way of fighting back,
yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:50):
That was your way of trying to defend yourself,
right?
SPEAKER_00 (08:53):
Yeah, because I physically couldn't.
I would try, I would try reallyhard physically, but verbally, I
had it going on, and um Augustawas a horrible role model for
Ed, and I don't want to defendher in any way, but I get it.
I I get that part when you arebeing abused and being
(09:16):
overpowered by a man, you dowhat you can to fight back.
SPEAKER_01 (09:22):
You know?
Maybe that was why she wanted toget away from everything and you
know, keep him busy on the farmor away from her from being in
the house, maybe.
SPEAKER_00 (09:31):
Well, she, I mean, she oh god, I don't even know
how to describe what she waslike.
She didn't she ever every womanwas a heartlet, a whore.
(09:53):
You know, I don't I don't wantto use those words.
Everybody was just bad.
And that reminded me of BobbyBoucher's mom.
Everything was the double.
We talked about that.
SPEAKER_01 (10:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:04):
But that's and that's all I could picture.
That's all I could picture.
Every time I would hear fromthem, they're the devil.
SPEAKER_01 (10:10):
They're a heartlet.
SPEAKER_00 (10:11):
By the way, if you did not listen to the episode,
go back and do it.
But I'm gonna go ahead andrecommend the book in our recap
here, Deviant.
Um, I believe was it HaroldScheckter?
Did I say that?
SPEAKER_01 (10:22):
Yeah, I'm gonna look it up.
That's what you said.
SPEAKER_00 (10:24):
Yes, please.
Um, Harold Scheckter's books areamazing, by the way.
He's a great historian.
Um, but Deviant by HaroldScheckter, if you're really into
this shit and you really want togo deeper and deeper.
SPEAKER_01 (10:38):
On into the salad, yes.
I mean, the the creation I'mexcited of what he became was
just I'm excited to watchNetflix's coverage and to see
how it ties into what we're whatwe talked about.
Right.
Well, yeah.
That's that's the fun.
And we actually listened to somepodcasts while we were driving
and doing our trip.
I was like, Lindsay.
We listen to so many.
(10:59):
Put on something that we've donebefore, that way we can hear
their the contrast of what we'vetalked about as well.
I love that.
That is really awesome.
And then being able to hear,because I don't I'm not a I
don't listen to podcasts.
I don't I don't listen to them.
But you did this trip.
I'm not per Lindsay, I'm notsupposed to, because I might
catch something she's gonna talkabout.
So I I really enjoyed that, youknow, and that was really fun.
(11:22):
It made the trip so much better.
So if you're driving, peoplecheck out some podcasts.
I mean, it's it is amazing fortraveling anywhere or doing
anything.
You know, if you're doinghousework or working out,
exercising, whatever you want.
I mean, if you have somethingwhere you have some time and you
want to get away from what'saround you, there you go.
You can dive into that.
(11:43):
Somebody rattling on just likewe're doing right now.
It's just it was it really madeit, it was really nice.
SPEAKER_00 (11:48):
Like, especially because we listened to the most
on our trip home, and I'mtelling you, it flew by like
that.
SPEAKER_01 (11:56):
Yeah, we didn't even know we were doing it.
No, no, I was tired driving,white knuckling, going through
Manhattan and all the shit, butwe got through it like I mean, I
battled some dragons, dude, onthat trip.
You did too.
Yeah.
So thank you for that, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_00 (12:09):
But we were listening to um the last podcast
boys coverage on Lizzie as wewere going into New York, and I
swear it made everything better.
SPEAKER_01 (12:20):
It made it, yep.
Even though they're talkingwe're here.
We're we just pulled in, and itwas just like, ah, I just I just
fucking I just did that.
SPEAKER_00 (12:29):
Like nuts, man.
SPEAKER_01 (12:31):
They're funny as hell.
I love it.
SPEAKER_00 (12:33):
Well, I want to say we can't talk over each other on
this because it will it cancelseach other out.
Have you noticed that?
Oh, yeah, when you're talking atthe same time I'm talking, it
mutes one of us.
Oh so that's why I'm like Soit's like in and out fade and
all.
SPEAKER_01 (12:48):
So you're feeling funky about me uh chiming in
there.
SPEAKER_00 (12:52):
Well, it's only on this app on the riverside.
SPEAKER_01 (12:55):
Yeah, that's that's that's what I'm saying.
I'm learning the I'm learningthe I'm learning the uh the app
lingo on this thing.
But I'm new.
I'm new to this.
SPEAKER_00 (13:03):
So we're gonna try not to cancel each other out.
So, anyways, back to Ed.
So he uh, you know, he dealswith isolation.
He can't have friends, he can'thave girlfriends.
Next thing you know, he's agrown-ass man, still living at
home.
So is Henry, his brother.
And um, first his dad passesaway.
(13:24):
And I don't even know that thatmight have been a relief for
their family in in the long run.
And so Ed and Henry, they pickup odd jobs to support the farm,
support the family.
They had a huge, huge farm.
And Ed almost got away.
(13:45):
He, I mean, just almost.
I mean, he was like this close.
He goes off and he tries to, orhe was drafted, actually, but he
didn't pass the draft testbecause he had a growth over one
eye.
And you will know, you'll you'llsee if you look at pictures, if
you uh watch the um the serieson Netflix or any other
(14:06):
documentaries on him and theshows the pictures, he had one
eye that was a little like likethis.
Like both of my eyes are lazyright now because I'm tired.
But um, yeah, one was a littleshut, so it impaired his vision,
and you can't have uh visionimpairments while you're in the
military.
SPEAKER_01 (14:22):
That would have been for WW too.
SPEAKER_00 (14:25):
Right.
My dad tried to join themilitary.
Um, it was right at the end ofVietnam, and he couldn't because
he had vision impairments, andthat broke his heart.
My dad wanted to be in themilitary so bad, and that was
that was really sad for himbecause of his vision
impairments.
(14:45):
He's very nearsighted and has ummacular degeneration.
So, anyway, so Ed almost gotaway, but unfortunately, because
of his vision impairments, hewas not able to go off and leave
Plainfield.
SPEAKER_01 (15:01):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:02):
So he's stuck at home with mama.
So then Henry tries to get out.
He's he's gonna he meets him agirl, and he's trying to get
married and move away.
And um Ed has now been soisolated and almost brainwashed.
(15:23):
Well, yeah, it is brainwashingto the point where he doesn't
understand why Henry wants toleave.
And Henry tells him yourrelationship with our mother and
your feelings towards our motherare not normal.
And uh, because our mother'skind of a bitch, and she doesn't
(15:44):
want us to leave home, which isnot normal.
It's not normal.
Let your let your kids go, letthem fly.
Um, so Henry mysteriously dies.
You can chime in now if you wantto.
SPEAKER_01 (16:02):
I'm thinking, I know, but I don't want to keep
going over top, but um, yeah, Ithink it's it's like you said,
the the Bobby Boucher typesituation, really, you know.
And Vicky Valencourt might showup.
SPEAKER_00 (16:16):
Well, um, there is a um, so there was a woman.
I don't I didn't talk about herin the episode because it ended
up being bullshit.
There was a woman that cameforward um after everything
happened, every after everythingwent down, who said she was in a
relationship with Ed Geen, butit ended up being bullshit.
(16:38):
She was just, yes, she was justwanting the attention.
And I think that they put thatin the story in Netflix, just
from trailers that I've saw.
I'm not sure yet.
I haven't watched it.
Um, but we will, and we'll talkabout it later on.
SPEAKER_01 (16:53):
Maybe she's seen his deputy dog sheets hanging out
there and he had pee on them.
SPEAKER_00 (16:57):
Grody.
I posted pictures of what hishouse looked like after he was
found out, and it was terrible.
So Henry's gone now.
It's just now it's just mama andEd.
And then Mama gets sick, she hasa stroke.
She kind of gets better a littlebit, and Ed goes to do a straw
(17:22):
purchase from another farmer,and Augusta insists that she
goes along because she doesn'ttrust Ed to make the right
negotiations for pricing.
So when they go to this man'shouse, this other farmer, he is
literally beat trigger warning,animal animal abuse.
(17:45):
He is beating a dog, and he endsup killing this dog.
And a woman comes out of thehouse that is not married to
this farmer, and a gut to stophim from beating this dog.
SPEAKER_01 (17:58):
And mama was just she didn't really give a shit
about the dog at all.
Only thing she cared about wasthe harlot.
The harlot that was not supposedto be there in that
relationship.
SPEAKER_00 (18:08):
They were not married.
SPEAKER_01 (18:09):
They weren't married.
SPEAKER_00 (18:10):
Oh my god, burn it down.
SPEAKER_01 (18:12):
All the pearls.
SPEAKER_00 (18:13):
This makes her so angry that she literally has
another stroke and dies.
SPEAKER_01 (18:20):
And die.
SPEAKER_00 (18:21):
And die.
She she dies.
That's from Waterboy.
Okay.
Yeah, we get the references inthe second part.
SPEAKER_01 (18:30):
And it is it is brilliant that you brought that.
Did anybody else bring that shitin?
SPEAKER_00 (18:35):
Oh God, really?
No.
About it.
When I was listening to the bookDeviant, that's all I could
picture was Mama Boucher.
SPEAKER_02 (18:45):
Like brilliant.
SPEAKER_00 (18:46):
Yeah.
And then I was like, and then Iwanted to hear play a horse
neighing in the back or adonkey.
Was it a donkey or a horse?
Mama's got the brain pain.
SPEAKER_01 (18:58):
Oh.
So Ed's all alone now.
All alone.
And he's he's got this bigfarmhouse, and it just becomes
complete, horrifically.
SPEAKER_00 (19:09):
Well, not only that.
SPEAKER_01 (19:10):
In squalor.
SPEAKER_00 (19:11):
We're reconnecting.
Reconnecting.
Well, I don't know if we'restill recording.
SPEAKER_01 (19:16):
That's what we're talking about this app.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (19:18):
We all know.
SPEAKER_01 (19:18):
But it's still recording, it's counting.
SPEAKER_00 (19:21):
So Ed, he is schizophrenic, but he will not
be diagnosed for some time.
Um, so he goes further into hismind.
And I haven't been around a lotof schizophrenics.
I've seen the behavior,especially when you go to big
cities and you're on the street,you see it.
(19:43):
We sink it.
Um, I did have a friend that Iwent to high school with who
lives in Philadelphia.
We were just there.
Um he was diagnosed with itprobably about 15 years ago.
And um he said it was somethinglike like something popped in
(20:06):
his brain when when uh after andafter that like the voices
started.
And I just feel like Ed Geen'sbrain should have been studied
more later on um to help.
I don't know if there's evergonna be a help understanding
(20:28):
why he would go on, huh?
So many dynamics.
So many.
I don't know how I don't evenknow how to describe what I feel
about that without soundingmorbid or macabre, but I want to
know why people end up like him.
I want to know why.
I want to know what happens uphere because I don't think like
(20:50):
that.
And I've been through some shit,I've been through some awful
shit, but there's way morepeople out there who have been
through more awful shit than Ihave, but and I don't think that
way.
I don't I don't ever want tohurt somebody.
Um but then he starts graverobbing, um and he's stealing
(21:13):
the skin off of the off of thedead and making creations out of
it.
Making creations, making I I Ido say making arts and crafts
because we are um, you know, wetry to be on the lighter side of
things.
We're not trying to dumb downthe crimes, but we're just
trying to make it morelighthearted.
(21:34):
So he's making some arts andcrafts um with these graves,
with with these people that heis robbing, because he wants to
create a suit.
He wants to be a woman.
SPEAKER_02 (21:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:45):
More specifically, he wants to be his mother.
And what are your thoughts onthat?
What are your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER_01 (21:52):
Oh, my thoughts.
A little bit of goodbye horseson that one.
Yeah.
So many movies.
So many movies were tied intowhat you know it it created, it
it was like 15 movies.
We we talked about a bunch ofthem, and I think there's way
more that you're gonna be ableto do that.
SPEAKER_00 (22:13):
Oh, he was an inspiration for a lot of movies,
but you're A-rated, you know,were Leatherface, uh, well,
Texas Chainsaw Massacre, um,Silence of the Lambs.
What else did I say?
SPEAKER_01 (22:25):
House of a Thousand Corpses.
SPEAKER_00 (22:26):
House of a Thousand Corpses.
Um, there's another one.
Oh, so he was the inspirationfor Garland Green in Conair.
SPEAKER_01 (22:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (22:35):
And um, hold on, I have it listed right here.
Psycho.
Psycho.
That was the first one that wasmade.
Um in his I don't want to saymemory, but in his um, or not, I
don't even want to say in hishonor, but he was horrific
inspiration.
Horrific inspiration.
I'll say it like that.
(22:55):
Yes.
And um, yeah, I like and I likeboth psychos a lot.
Yeah.
I really love the one with VinceVaughn because I like Vince
Vaughn a lot, and I love thefact that he can do horror and I
mean he's really fucking funnyand really fucking scary.
SPEAKER_01 (23:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (23:12):
Like all at the same time.
SPEAKER_01 (23:14):
Yeah, he can do it.
It's genius.
Yeah, it's amazing.
SPEAKER_00 (23:18):
But um, so after the grave robbing for quite some
time, um he's also living insqualor, and he's only eating
pork and beans.
That's his dinner.
And he's eating them out of somevery uh personal handcrafted
(23:39):
bowls.
SPEAKER_02 (23:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (23:40):
Which, if you wanna find out more about that, listen
to the full episode.
Um the whole thing.
And then he ends up committing acouple of murders, which end he
end up getting him caught, um,found out about and these the
these poor I don't sympathizewith law enforcement a lot in
(24:03):
cases that I cover, but in thisinstance, it was a career-ending
experience, and they did it inthe dark in a house with hanging
things.
SPEAKER_01 (24:13):
So, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:16):
Whew.
SPEAKER_01 (24:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:18):
Like I was I felt icky.
SPEAKER_01 (24:20):
I'm over here looking at her like I'm like
side-eyeing the whole time she'stelling a story because it's
like I'm reconnecting with allthe shit that you dumped on me
in the middle of it.
It was so bad.
SPEAKER_00 (24:31):
And I couldn't believe that Jesse didn't know
about the nipple belt.
Like, that's one of the most uhfamous artifacts.
Did not know about the nipplebelt.
That's one of the most famousartifacts that have been talked
about um over the year.
SPEAKER_01 (24:48):
Yeah, so Wisconsin, they have the nipple belt, and
down south we have the Biblebelt.
SPEAKER_00 (24:53):
You know, today um I'm I'm part of several groups
that talk about true crime,mysteries, everything like that.
And of course, they were blowingup the uh the Netflix um Ed Gean
story.
And uh one woman was like, ithits a little different when you
live 20 minutes from where helives.
SPEAKER_01 (25:15):
Drive by that farm all the time.
Yeah.
And it was good that aftereverything was over with, they
you know, the house burned down.
SPEAKER_00 (25:23):
Mysteriously burnt down.
SPEAKER_01 (25:25):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (25:26):
So I hit the table.
Raw, uncut, unedited.
Where's this?
This is stuff we usually editout, but I hit the table and now
I kind of hurt my hand a littlebit.
SPEAKER_01 (25:35):
That was the spirit of Ed.
SPEAKER_00 (25:37):
The spirit of Ed.
But you know what?
Um, like I don't want toelaborate on this too much
because we are gonna talk aboutin another episode.
But I have to say, staying in ahome where two people were
murdered, I did not uh feel thatmuch bad energy.
SPEAKER_01 (25:57):
But where did you feel the bad energy, Miss
Lindsay, on our trip?
SPEAKER_00 (26:00):
Gettysburg.
SPEAKER_01 (26:01):
It was thick, it was thick goodness gracious.
And I took her for a drivearound like the battlefield just
checking out some.
SPEAKER_00 (26:10):
But the night before, he and I uh because we
took my our sist my mysister-in-law, his sister, on
the trip with us.
So she stayed in the room withour boy so that we could go have
a few drinks.
SPEAKER_01 (26:23):
We needed some relaxed some Gen Z time.
SPEAKER_00 (26:25):
And uh so we and I was all the driving, and my body
is used to exercise.
I mean, I'm still a big girl,but I exercise every day when
I'm at home, and I needed extraexercise.
I needed more walking.
So we were like, let's walk.
So we walked by this field, andI felt like I felt, I was like,
(26:46):
whoo, whoo.
And Jesse's like, well, that'spart of that's part of where it
was.
SPEAKER_01 (26:52):
We was probably a few hundred feet away from where
Pickett did his big charge.
And yeah, his historically,there's I mean, just on that
battlefield alone, it's it'sinsane how many people perished.
And I consider all that truecrime.
I I feel like, you know, the Iunderstand and I support what
(27:13):
the North had done, but theSouth being forced into that,
well, people just being forcedinto that, you know, especially
at a young age and everything,you know, it's pretty criminal
to me.
SPEAKER_00 (27:22):
Yeah, so Jesse is the historian here when it comes
to war.
And uh like I can tell you aboutmurder and and and mystery all
day long, but when it comes towar, this is your guy.
Yeah, well he told me while wedrove through the Gettysburg
Loop, he told me so much.
And when you know Excuse me,what a lot of these people went
(27:48):
through, like say, like tellthem how many how how far they
would walk and then have to bethere and fight.
SPEAKER_01 (27:55):
And then they had like a 30-minute, you know,
that's the uh the the Virginiaregiment.
And then I I took you up on thehill and said, well, this
regiment only had like 250people, but he took all 250 of
them and made them just go diejust because.
You know, it's like that'scrime, you know.
Yeah, you might be a general ordoing some shit, whatever, but
to know for a fact that thesepeople are gonna die when you
(28:18):
walk march them on this field,you know, it that's pretty
fucking criminal to me.
SPEAKER_00 (28:23):
I gotta look up a TikToker real quick before I
talk about what I was gonna talkabout next.
Hold on.
So I'm gonna do a little storytime real quick while I'm
looking this up.
Ooch.
Um let me turn this down.
Um so we're listening topodcasts on the way.
(28:46):
And we I I I wanted him tolisten to um True Crime
Obsessed's coverage on the ShutUp and Sing documentary about
the Dixie chicks, and I'm gonnafucking cry just sitting here
talking about it abouteverything that they went
through after Natalie Mainessaid what she said in England,
(29:08):
which I back up a hundredpercent.
Um and so the song Travelin'Soldier was in my head, and then
when we get back to the room, Idon't even think I hearted at
Jesse.
What's wrong with me?
That is it on my repost.
I don't know.
(29:29):
Hold on, give me just a second,guys.
SPEAKER_01 (29:31):
I've stayed off social media through the whole
trip, so I don't know what'sgoing on.
SPEAKER_00 (29:35):
Well, there's a couple that I follow on TikTok
that um listen to songs thatthey've never listened to, and
they listened, it was crazybecause we had listened They
were so cute too.
SPEAKER_01 (29:49):
We did watch that fucking cute.
Yeah, I didn't catch their name.
SPEAKER_00 (29:52):
So the night before, we had uh watched them listen to
Earl Had to Die.
Or Earl uh yeah, Earl Had toDie.
For the first time.
And then we go, we're we're thisthat was in New York, and we
leave New York and we go toGettysburg.
And while we're in Gettysburg,and he's telling me all about
this history, while we're layingin bed in Gettysburg, I pull up
(30:15):
and they're listening to Traveland Soldier for the first time.
I'm sobbing because we're in,and then I'm I'm thinking about
what he told me.
I gotta stop.
I'm gonna cry.
Okay.
And then we had listened to thatrecap of the documentary and the
Dixie Chicks and Natalie Maine'svoice.
SPEAKER_01 (30:37):
Like I'm not it's harrowing.
It is.
SPEAKER_00 (30:40):
It is beautifully like I I I am.
I mean, I was telling him aroundthe time that they took their
hiatus, which was in 2003, Ithink, 2003 or 2004, um, for a
while, because of everything.
Like she made a statement thatshe had no idea was gonna get
the backlash that it did becauseshe was that they're anti-war.
(31:05):
But I'm gonna tell y'allsomething right now.
Natalie Maines is a beautifulhuman being.
She helped Damian Eccles.
I'm gonna cry.
I'm trying not to clown.
I'm trying not to.
She helped, she was part ofDamian Eccles' entourage on
helping get him get out ofprison for something that he
(31:25):
didn't do.
And that's just that's abeautiful person to me.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:28):
When you're you're you got all this fame and you've
got all these resources, and youhelp this little guy from
Arkansas get off death row, likethat's just that's something
that is yeah, and well, and andto to give you a break real
quick, Lindsay, I mean it'scrazy how like politics can
really shift, you know?
(31:49):
And you watch it shift week toweek, especially, you know.
Uh honestly, you can't point outa time where it hasn't been just
completely a brain fuck.
And that's why I when it comesto politics.
Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (32:02):
I'm not on any side, I'm anti-political.
SPEAKER_01 (32:04):
Are we free speech?
Are we not free speech?
Can I say what I want to or canI not?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, if you get big enough, itjust depends, you know?
SPEAKER_00 (32:12):
It does.
SPEAKER_01 (32:12):
But it it shouldn't.
It shouldn't.
We should be able to saywhatever the fuck we want, no
matter which way.
I mean, if we have our ownopinion, that's our our
platform, you know?
And they're just a band.
And they actually stepped awayfrom being country music.
They were like, can we just belike a little bit more, you
know, kind of rock and roll.
Whatever we want to be.
What we want to be, or are, youknow.
(32:33):
I was I kept saying like aStevie Nix, you know, but I
think they said a BruceSpringsteen or something like
that.
They wanted to be likesomething, they wanted to kind
of step an edge a little bitaway from from the the typical
thing, you know, and they wouldjust the art, you know, they
finally got everything together,all the people, all the parts of
the band was just number onehits, you know.
They had that their albumrelease was just like top of the
(32:56):
charts and they're doingamazing.
So don't let anything hold youback.
And I I think there was just toomany people that were trying to
dive in the middle of that, thatthat were stripping away their
fucking rights, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (33:08):
Well, they were on tour in London and that was
around the same time that wewent to war with Afghanistan,
correct?
SPEAKER_01 (33:15):
Yeah, it was Iraq.
Yeah, they did the yeah, I thinkit was the uh it was during
George Storm.
SPEAKER_00 (33:21):
George W.
Bush.
No, it wasn't Desert Storm.
It wasn't?
No, uh it was the ne was it wasit oh my god, we're s yeah,
we're behind the times.
Anyway, it was the war thatbroke out in 2002, 2003.
SPEAKER_01 (33:32):
Okay, yeah.
I was half-ass paying attentiondriving.
SPEAKER_00 (33:35):
And she had every right to say what she said.
And no, because guess what?
People talk bad about everypresident, and just because he
made moves during a time whereour country had been under
attack, um, doesn't mean thatshe didn't have the right to say
that then.
She has the right to say it now.
(33:56):
She had the right to saywhatever she wanted to say,
period.
And she did not have any cluethat it was going to hurt their
career and put death threats onher head whatsoever.
But I just thought that that wasa very uh it was it it it like
all came together for us becausewe had listened to that
(34:19):
documentary recap, we hadlistened to those, those, that
couple listen to those that songfor the first time while we're
in Gettysburg, and I was just Iwas sobbing because that the
energy in Gettysburg, the um thefeeling, the thickness, and you
just think about all these kids,there was children in that war.
(34:43):
There were people who didn't I Imean it was just it was really
horrific.
It was it was horrific.
It was horrific.
Oh the civil war was terrible.
SPEAKER_01 (34:53):
Just structure of that conflict, you know, with
our own country.
It was it was horrible.
SPEAKER_00 (34:59):
And I just felt so much sadness while we drove
around the next morning, just meand him through this loop where
all those monuments and thememorials are set up.
And by the way, Pennsylvania's Imean, uh uh Gettysburg,
Pennsylvania, period.
It's beautiful, beautiful,beautiful countryside.
The the the most beautiful I'veI've seen.
(35:22):
Yeah, and um, but yeah, you justlike that.
I and while we're drivingaround, that song was just
playing in my head.
SPEAKER_02 (35:28):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (35:29):
But then I had already put on my makeup and my
lashes.
I was gonna play it, but I waslike, no, I don't want to sob
right now because I would have,I would have just stopped.
SPEAKER_01 (35:37):
I'm talking about something horrific right here.
So and I'm standing at a spotwhere a guy was blown apart with
a cannon, and then another guygot killed and laid on top of
him in the middle of the battle.
I'm talking about Lindsay, I'mstanding right here on this rock
where that happened.
It's a lot to take in, and I wasI felt it like I really felt it
as soon as I came over that hillinto Gettysburg.
(35:58):
I was like, here we are, youknow, because I felt it before
when I'd I'd been through there,I stopped at a McDonald's there
years ago, and I was like, Ihave to come back to this town.
But I felt it then.
It was just like whoosh, youknow, you just feel like as soon
as you're in the presence ofthat area where you know the
biggest and most horrific thingthat's happened in North and
(36:18):
South America, you know?
And um what really got me waswhenever I was trying to North
and South United States, yeah.
Well, uh the whole North andSouth America is the biggest
recorded horrific battle that'sever happened.
Yeah.
The single most horrific battlein in the northern and southern
American continents.
Yeah.
So I was just like, whoa.
(36:40):
But it didn't really hit me harduntil I started picking up the
the used bullets that they hadfound on that field.
And I was like, I was searchingthrough, I was like, okay, I'm
gonna get some of them thatweren't shot, you know, some of
the big bullets that weren'tshot, and I bought some for just
to have some.
But the ones that were picked upfrom that field, uh, it hit me
(37:02):
then.
Like, and I don't know if yousee me over there when I was
picking up the little trinketsand things before we left, but
that really hit me.
It's like, what did that bulletactually do?
You know?
SPEAKER_00 (37:12):
But we're gonna talk about that more in our New
England trip recap.
Um, but to wrap up Edgeen, solots of horrific things were
found in his home.
Um, and he was eventually duringhis trial and proceedings, he
(37:33):
was diagnosed withschizophrenia.
He was a very sick man.
Um I don't like I I don't wantanybody to misinterpret that I
sympathize with anybody thatdoes things like this, but his
situation was really sad to me.
Really sad.
And I I I I I I'm trying to findmy wording here, but I really do
(38:05):
blame the mother in thissituation.
Um, I don't feel like he had anyother um option in life, and his
opportunity to get out was takenaway from him.
I agree, but there are manyother human beings that go
(38:26):
through the same thing that donot do what he did at all, and
that's why I feel like he's aperson whose brain should have
been studied.
What was in there that becauseit's horrific to go and and he
would even say that he did mostof his acts in a disassociative
(38:48):
state, that his obsession withhis mother when he did his
murders came into play.
Um, because these women remindedhim of his mother, and why were
these harlots allowed to bealive and his mother was gone
and left him here all his hiswhole family died within a
(39:08):
five-year span.
Right.
All of them, everybody gone,nobody else.
SPEAKER_01 (39:12):
And I agree because he didn't have a chance to
become a decent human being andand and to be part of society
and learn how to coexist withother people because he was so
oppressed and held down by mama.
So there's the salad on that forsure.
SPEAKER_00 (39:28):
By the way, I'm done with that.
Appalachian Spirits is the name.
I just found it on the can here.
But if you guys are ever in thatarea, make sure you get one of
these if you are a Celsiusenthusiast, a seltzer enthusiast
like I am.
SPEAKER_01 (39:44):
They're good.
SPEAKER_00 (39:45):
But make sure you listen to our coverage on Ed
Gean.
We've got Lizzie Borden comingout on Friday.
And watch the Netflix series.
We're excited to watch it.
We're probably gonna watch itthis week, like when I get off
work.
That's gonna be our night, ournighttime for show.
Now, they did such a good job onuh Jeffrey Dahmer that I
(40:07):
couldn't even finish it.
SPEAKER_01 (40:10):
Yeah, we hope that we can.
Oh, we're gonna come back aroundto it.
SPEAKER_00 (40:14):
Yeah, because I'm gonna eventually cover Jeffrey
Dahmer.
SPEAKER_01 (40:16):
And um need to watch that until we do that.
That way I'm not like fresh onthe Dahmer stuff.
You know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (40:24):
That's gonna be later on, way later on.
I've got so many cases to cover.
Um for the month of October, I'mgonna be covering a lot of um
cases that Ed and LorraineWarren were involved in, and
(40:45):
then we're gonna talk about thema lot.
So stay tuned for that.
Stay tuned for Lizzie Borden,and stay tuned for recap on our
New England trip.
I promise you it's gonna begood.
Just listen, tune in because Imean it's and like I said, we're
gonna give recommendations forplaces to visit, for hotels to
(41:08):
stay at, for restaurants to eatat.
You want you want thisinformation.
I'm telling you.
SPEAKER_01 (41:14):
Yeah, made shit ahead of you.
SPEAKER_00 (41:16):
This was the planner, the main driver.
I did help out.
SPEAKER_01 (41:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (41:20):
Um, but when we were up there, I had I have really
bad anxiety, and there's a lotof bridges and tunnels.
And I'm just glad that I wasn'tdriving during the uh times that
I had little attacks becausethat wouldn't have been good for
anybody in the car.
So I commend you, sir.
Yes.
You are us you are an absolutedriving soldier.
SPEAKER_01 (41:40):
A traveling one.
SPEAKER_00 (41:41):
Traveling.
Oh, don't talk about it.
I'm gonna cry again.
Let's wrap this up.
SPEAKER_01 (41:46):
We'll see you guys Friday, though.
Stay tuned, and we have so muchfor season two.
It's gonna be amazing.
SPEAKER_00 (41:52):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (41:52):
And I don't know what we have because I don't
know shit about fuck.
SPEAKER_00 (41:56):
I get well, I gave a little, I gave a little hint
right there.
SPEAKER_01 (41:58):
I get it.
I get it.
SPEAKER_00 (41:59):
So Lizzie Borden's next, and then stay tuned for
about three cases that Ed andLorraine am I saying Ed and
Lorraine Warren were involvedin.
SPEAKER_01 (42:10):
Lizzie's gonna drop bombs on me this whole fucking
season.
Okay, I'm ready.
SPEAKER_00 (42:17):
All right.
We love you guys so much.
Keep please keep listening.
We love you.
We love your support.
Yes.
So much.
And I'm sorry I look like shit,but it's been a day.
We drove a lot.
But we're relaxing now, andwe're gonna sign off and keep
doing laundry because there's alot of it.
Yep.
Catch up with lots of it.
(42:39):
Yes.
Oh, and like and support all thebands that we have gone through
so far and uh or that we havefeatured so far.
And um, I'm gonna get a I didnot do this in our 50th episode
where we recapped all the music,but I also want to recap all the
books that I have listened tobecause I want to give those
(42:59):
authors credit.
Okay, because they really helpedme out with my research.
SPEAKER_01 (43:06):
So you can find that on Spotify too.
Drink About Something seasonone.
SPEAKER_00 (43:10):
That's amazing.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (43:11):
So if you have Spotify, you can listen to every
single band that we played.
So if you're into the music partof it, you can get on Spotify
and check it out.
SPEAKER_00 (43:19):
But we love you guys, and we'll see you on
Friday.
Or actually, we'll see you forthe next recap.
But listen on Friday.
Yes.
Bye.
Hey Jesse.
Hello.
Hello.
Hello.
Hello.
Hello.
Hello.
Hello.
SPEAKER_00 (00:08):
Hello.
SPEAKER_02 (00:09):
Hello.
SPEAKER_00 (00:10):
Sorry, guys.
So um we're a little well, Ican't say jet lagged.
Um, we're car lagged because wejust pulled in not too long ago
from our nine-day trip to NewEngland.
So I look a little rough, andbut that's okay.
It's whatever.
This is natural because this israw, uncut, and unedited recap
(00:35):
with Jesse and Lindsay.
SPEAKER_01 (00:37):
You're kicking ass.
We're kicking ass.
We're back in Florida finally.
SPEAKER_00 (00:41):
We are in Florida.
We have been everywhere, butwe're gonna have a whole episode
recapping our trip.
But real quick, so what we aredrinking today, we got these in
Gettysburg.
Hold yours up.
SPEAKER_01 (00:53):
Yeah, uh Appalachian Brewing Company.
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (00:58):
Awesome.
It's called Trinity FlavorsSkinny Orange Crush.
This is a vodka seltzer that wegot in Gettysburg.
So Gettysburg was kind of thelast leg.
We're gonna open them realquick.
SPEAKER_01 (01:12):
Yeah, poppy pop.
I'm with you.
Was the last.
Good, too.
Now Hell Patters needs to get onthis shit right here.
It's good.
It's so good.
Cheers.
Cheers.
SPEAKER_00 (01:27):
Gettysburg was our last official stay on our very
long trip.
Um, but we did end up getting aroom in South Carolina to break
up the long stretch home becausefrom Gettysburg to Lake City,
Florida is 13 hours.
SPEAKER_01 (01:42):
If you're ever in Gettysburg, hit this up right
here.
SPEAKER_00 (01:45):
And make sure you stay tuned for our recap of our
trip and you will see why wedidn't want to do that.
So we have been all over NewEngland and uh we're home, we're
unpacked, we're doing laundry.
We got the kid outsidedecorating our outside fridge
with some stickers I got in themail.
SPEAKER_01 (02:04):
It's making it look beautiful.
So if you hear some noise in thebackground, that's him.
SPEAKER_00 (02:07):
Yeah, it's just him, raw, uncut and unedited.
And I got this amazing Bucky'scup.
She went to Bushies on the wayhome today.
She went on down to Bush'sbecause it says Bucky's put a
spell on you, and it's so cute,and it glows in the dark.
And I'm really happy with my cupfor the Halloween season.
And happy spooky season.
(02:27):
Yes.
Officially, we are in October.
We're in October.
October.
We love October so much.
Like, we are in an October stateof mind year round, and we
literally start Halloween in ourhouse right at the first of
September.
SPEAKER_01 (02:44):
The best.
And we got to go when we went tothe house.
We saw it was just the weatherwas foliage.
All the leaves were starting tochange.
SPEAKER_00 (02:51):
Everything was I miss the weather already.
We've been back for two hours,and I'm already like I've
already sweat twice, and I missthe weather.
I miss the weather up there.
SPEAKER_01 (03:01):
Yeah, we're wearing it again.
It was just like up there,you're like the the air is
thick, and it's like you'reyou're biting the air, but down
here you're wearing the air.
SPEAKER_00 (03:10):
Yes, it's like your clothes.
SPEAKER_01 (03:12):
It's like a second layer.
It's like we just changed, butwe didn't.
You know, we just we got here,whole nother layer of just
Florida is on us.
SPEAKER_00 (03:23):
I got the burps.
But this is really good.
Like I said, skinny orangecrush.
We went into, like I said, we'regonna do a full recap of the
trip, but we went into a coupleof bars.
So much to tell you.
So much, and we're gonna we'regonna give y'all like
recommendations for we'rereconnecting.
(03:47):
If you still see this, you gottareconnect.
SPEAKER_01 (03:50):
I think it's doing something.
So there we go.
Who knows?
SPEAKER_00 (03:53):
We're having a little technical issues.
SPEAKER_01 (03:55):
I'm not happy with this thing that we're trying
out.
I'm still learning it.
SPEAKER_00 (03:59):
Yeah, we're still learning.
We're still babies, we're stillpodcast babies.
But um, we went to a couple ofbars in Gettysburg.
Well, technically three, becausethe place that we ate dinner at
was also had a full bar.
Full by.
Can't wait to tell you aboutthat.
We'll tell you about the full bythe full bye.
So um, anyway, so this one wasour last one for the night.
(04:21):
And um, I was just like, Do youguys have seltzers?
And she was like, Yeah.
So I had what I had probably twothere, and she was like, Do you
want some to go?
And I'm like, Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:33):
Here you go.
SPEAKER_00 (04:34):
Just a few of them.
And I just have to say,everybody was so nice.
No rude people, period.
Our whole trip.
But we'll get into that.
SPEAKER_01 (04:45):
We'll talk about all that next.
We're today.
SPEAKER_00 (04:48):
We're here to recap our episode on Ed Gean.
So as of yesterday, becausewe're we're recording this on uh
Saturday, October 4th.
As of yesterday, now the serieshas come out on Netflix.
We gotta we gotta watch it, andwe'll probably recap that too.
SPEAKER_01 (05:07):
I'm gonna watch it at night.
I'm probably gonna crash thefucking.
SPEAKER_00 (05:09):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
We're gonna re-watch it though.
We're gonna read we'll recapthat series and see what we
think about it.
That'll be a good idea.
SPEAKER_01 (05:15):
I think so.
SPEAKER_00 (05:16):
Yes.
So, recapping my research and myuh my coverage on Edgeen.
So, from Plainsfield, I'm sorry,I keep saying Plainsfield, but
it's just Plainfield, Wisconsin.
Okay, Wisconsin.
In um, you know, he was born inI gotta re-look at my notes
(05:36):
because it's been like twoweeks.
So he's born in very early1900s.
He was born in 06.
It was well feels like I mean,just like two weeks.
We recorded Lizzie Borden inLizzie Borden's house.
SPEAKER_01 (05:51):
So please, please before that, and all the trip
and everything.
It's just it feels like wehaven't sat right here in
forever.
It's crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (06:00):
I mean, nine days is a long time to be away from your
home.
This is the longest we've beenaway from our house ever.
SPEAKER_01 (06:07):
Since we moved in here.
SPEAKER_00 (06:08):
Since we moved in here, the longest we've been
away from our home.
So it was very nice walking inthe door today.
I got all my nice, I got all mywax warmers going, my essential
oils, candles.
SPEAKER_01 (06:19):
Like she lamp and just got the fall going as soon
as she came in.
It's like, I need pumpkineverything.
SPEAKER_00 (06:25):
Pumpkin, everything.
We're reconnecting again.
I hope you guys can still hearus.
SPEAKER_01 (06:30):
I was like, I gotta, I gotta have 30 minutes, dude.
I needed 30 minutes off theroad, 30 minutes, something.
SPEAKER_00 (06:37):
Lots of driving.
SPEAKER_01 (06:38):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (06:38):
So Ed was born in early 1900s, 1906, to be exact.
And um, mom and pop, not thatgreat a role model.
SPEAKER_01 (06:49):
No, no.
SPEAKER_00 (06:50):
George was an alcoholic and kind of a piece of
shit.
So because he was a piece ofshit, Augusta kind of took the
role as mama and daddy and atthe same time.
SPEAKER_01 (07:03):
He was like, he was she was kind of taking him on as
like whatever she wanted him tobe.
Ed, you know, and it was justwasn't healthy.
SPEAKER_00 (07:14):
No, how she was kind of babying the baby, and it was
like well, so she wanted shewanted girls, and she ended up
having two boys.
So she was disappointed withHenry, older brother Henry.
So she decided that she wasgoing to make Ed what she wanted
him to be.
That's what I'm saying, yes.
But she isolate, she wanted toisolate both of her children,
(07:37):
like, which is insane.
The isolation period will take atoll on you.
Like, she didn't want them tohave friends, and when they did
get friends, she would badmouththem and their family.
SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
Yeah, and that was like the beginning of the whole
salad, like everything was beingcreated in that weird, like
stripping away of humanity.
Like they they they isolatedthem so much that they just did
not know how to be part ofsociety.
SPEAKER_00 (08:08):
No, you know, along with the abuse from George, and
I mean, and it was even said, Idon't rem I'm not quite sure if
I talked about this in theepisode, but it was said that
even when George would beabusive to Augusta, that she
(08:28):
would belittle him in the middleof the abuse.
SPEAKER_02 (08:32):
Really?
SPEAKER_00 (08:33):
Like you're like calling him a piece of shit.
And I'm not even gonna lie.
Um I was in an abusive marriagea long time ago, and I was like
that, and it wasn't because thatwas my way of fighting back,
yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:50):
That was your way of trying to defend yourself,
right?
SPEAKER_00 (08:53):
Yeah, because I physically couldn't.
I would try, I would try reallyhard physically, but verbally, I
had it going on, and um Augustawas a horrible role model for
Ed, and I don't want to defendher in any way, but I get it.
I I get that part when you arebeing abused and being
(09:16):
overpowered by a man, you dowhat you can to fight back.
SPEAKER_01 (09:22):
You know?
Maybe that was why she wanted toget away from everything and you
know, keep him busy on the farmor away from her from being in
the house, maybe.
SPEAKER_00 (09:31):
Well, she, I mean, she oh god, I don't even know
how to describe what she waslike.
She didn't she ever every womanwas a heartlet, a whore.
(09:53):
You know, I don't I don't wantto use those words.
Everybody was just bad.
And that reminded me of BobbyBoucher's mom.
Everything was the double.
We talked about that.
SPEAKER_01 (10:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:04):
But that's and that's all I could picture.
That's all I could picture.
Every time I would hear fromthem, they're the devil.
SPEAKER_01 (10:10):
They're a heartlet.
SPEAKER_00 (10:11):
By the way, if you did not listen to the episode,
go back and do it.
But I'm gonna go ahead andrecommend the book in our recap
here, Deviant.
Um, I believe was it HaroldScheckter?
Did I say that?
SPEAKER_01 (10:22):
Yeah, I'm gonna look it up.
That's what you said.
SPEAKER_00 (10:24):
Yes, please.
Um, Harold Scheckter's books areamazing, by the way.
He's a great historian.
Um, but Deviant by HaroldScheckter, if you're really into
this shit and you really want togo deeper and deeper.
SPEAKER_01 (10:38):
On into the salad, yes.
I mean, the the creation I'mexcited of what he became was
just I'm excited to watchNetflix's coverage and to see
how it ties into what we're whatwe talked about.
Right.
Well, yeah.
That's that's the fun.
And we actually listened to somepodcasts while we were driving
and doing our trip.
I was like, Lindsay.
We listen to so many.
(10:59):
Put on something that we've donebefore, that way we can hear
their the contrast of what we'vetalked about as well.
I love that.
That is really awesome.
And then being able to hear,because I don't I'm not a I
don't listen to podcasts.
I don't I don't listen to them.
But you did this trip.
I'm not per Lindsay, I'm notsupposed to, because I might
catch something she's gonna talkabout.
So I I really enjoyed that, youknow, and that was really fun.
(11:22):
It made the trip so much better.
So if you're driving, peoplecheck out some podcasts.
I mean, it's it is amazing fortraveling anywhere or doing
anything.
You know, if you're doinghousework or working out,
exercising, whatever you want.
I mean, if you have somethingwhere you have some time and you
want to get away from what'saround you, there you go.
You can dive into that.
(11:43):
Somebody rattling on just likewe're doing right now.
It's just it was it really madeit, it was really nice.
SPEAKER_00 (11:48):
Like, especially because we listened to the most
on our trip home, and I'mtelling you, it flew by like
that.
SPEAKER_01 (11:56):
Yeah, we didn't even know we were doing it.
No, no, I was tired driving,white knuckling, going through
Manhattan and all the shit, butwe got through it like I mean, I
battled some dragons, dude, onthat trip.
You did too.
Yeah.
So thank you for that, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_00 (12:09):
But we were listening to um the last podcast
boys coverage on Lizzie as wewere going into New York, and I
swear it made everything better.
SPEAKER_01 (12:20):
It made it, yep.
Even though they're talkingwe're here.
We're we just pulled in, and itwas just like, ah, I just I just
fucking I just did that.
SPEAKER_00 (12:29):
Like nuts, man.
SPEAKER_01 (12:31):
They're funny as hell.
I love it.
SPEAKER_00 (12:33):
Well, I want to say we can't talk over each other on
this because it will it cancelseach other out.
Have you noticed that?
Oh, yeah, when you're talking atthe same time I'm talking, it
mutes one of us.
Oh so that's why I'm like Soit's like in and out fade and
all.
SPEAKER_01 (12:48):
So you're feeling funky about me uh chiming in
there.
SPEAKER_00 (12:52):
Well, it's only on this app on the riverside.
SPEAKER_01 (12:55):
Yeah, that's that's that's what I'm saying.
I'm learning the I'm learningthe I'm learning the uh the app
lingo on this thing.
But I'm new.
I'm new to this.
SPEAKER_00 (13:03):
So we're gonna try not to cancel each other out.
So, anyways, back to Ed.
So he uh, you know, he dealswith isolation.
He can't have friends, he can'thave girlfriends.
Next thing you know, he's agrown-ass man, still living at
home.
So is Henry, his brother.
And um, first his dad passesaway.
(13:24):
And I don't even know that thatmight have been a relief for
their family in in the long run.
And so Ed and Henry, they pickup odd jobs to support the farm,
support the family.
They had a huge, huge farm.
And Ed almost got away.
(13:45):
He, I mean, just almost.
I mean, he was like this close.
He goes off and he tries to, orhe was drafted, actually, but he
didn't pass the draft testbecause he had a growth over one
eye.
And you will know, you'll you'llsee if you look at pictures, if
you uh watch the um the serieson Netflix or any other
(14:06):
documentaries on him and theshows the pictures, he had one
eye that was a little like likethis.
Like both of my eyes are lazyright now because I'm tired.
But um, yeah, one was a littleshut, so it impaired his vision,
and you can't have uh visionimpairments while you're in the
military.
SPEAKER_01 (14:22):
That would have been for WW too.
SPEAKER_00 (14:25):
Right.
My dad tried to join themilitary.
Um, it was right at the end ofVietnam, and he couldn't because
he had vision impairments, andthat broke his heart.
My dad wanted to be in themilitary so bad, and that was
that was really sad for himbecause of his vision
impairments.
(14:45):
He's very nearsighted and has ummacular degeneration.
So, anyway, so Ed almost gotaway, but unfortunately, because
of his vision impairments, hewas not able to go off and leave
Plainfield.
SPEAKER_01 (15:01):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:02):
So he's stuck at home with mama.
So then Henry tries to get out.
He's he's gonna he meets him agirl, and he's trying to get
married and move away.
And um Ed has now been soisolated and almost brainwashed.
(15:23):
Well, yeah, it is brainwashingto the point where he doesn't
understand why Henry wants toleave.
And Henry tells him yourrelationship with our mother and
your feelings towards our motherare not normal.
And uh, because our mother'skind of a bitch, and she doesn't
(15:44):
want us to leave home, which isnot normal.
It's not normal.
Let your let your kids go, letthem fly.
Um, so Henry mysteriously dies.
You can chime in now if you wantto.
SPEAKER_01 (16:02):
I'm thinking, I know, but I don't want to keep
going over top, but um, yeah, Ithink it's it's like you said,
the the Bobby Boucher typesituation, really, you know.
And Vicky Valencourt might showup.
SPEAKER_00 (16:16):
Well, um, there is a um, so there was a woman.
I don't I didn't talk about herin the episode because it ended
up being bullshit.
There was a woman that cameforward um after everything
happened, every after everythingwent down, who said she was in a
relationship with Ed Geen, butit ended up being bullshit.
(16:38):
She was just, yes, she was justwanting the attention.
And I think that they put thatin the story in Netflix, just
from trailers that I've saw.
I'm not sure yet.
I haven't watched it.
Um, but we will, and we'll talkabout it later on.
SPEAKER_01 (16:53):
Maybe she's seen his deputy dog sheets hanging out
there and he had pee on them.
SPEAKER_00 (16:57):
Grody.
I posted pictures of what hishouse looked like after he was
found out, and it was terrible.
So Henry's gone now.
It's just now it's just mama andEd.
And then Mama gets sick, she hasa stroke.
She kind of gets better a littlebit, and Ed goes to do a straw
(17:22):
purchase from another farmer,and Augusta insists that she
goes along because she doesn'ttrust Ed to make the right
negotiations for pricing.
So when they go to this man'shouse, this other farmer, he is
literally beat trigger warning,animal animal abuse.
(17:45):
He is beating a dog, and he endsup killing this dog.
And a woman comes out of thehouse that is not married to
this farmer, and a gut to stophim from beating this dog.
SPEAKER_01 (17:58):
And mama was just she didn't really give a shit
about the dog at all.
Only thing she cared about wasthe harlot.
The harlot that was not supposedto be there in that
relationship.
SPEAKER_00 (18:08):
They were not married.
SPEAKER_01 (18:09):
They weren't married.
SPEAKER_00 (18:10):
Oh my god, burn it down.
SPEAKER_01 (18:12):
All the pearls.
SPEAKER_00 (18:13):
This makes her so angry that she literally has
another stroke and dies.
SPEAKER_01 (18:20):
And die.
SPEAKER_00 (18:21):
And die.
She she dies.
That's from Waterboy.
Okay.
Yeah, we get the references inthe second part.
SPEAKER_01 (18:30):
And it is it is brilliant that you brought that.
Did anybody else bring that shitin?
SPEAKER_00 (18:35):
Oh God, really?
No.
About it.
When I was listening to the bookDeviant, that's all I could
picture was Mama Boucher.
SPEAKER_02 (18:45):
Like brilliant.
SPEAKER_00 (18:46):
Yeah.
And then I was like, and then Iwanted to hear play a horse
neighing in the back or adonkey.
Was it a donkey or a horse?
Mama's got the brain pain.
SPEAKER_01 (18:58):
Oh.
So Ed's all alone now.
All alone.
And he's he's got this bigfarmhouse, and it just becomes
complete, horrifically.
SPEAKER_00 (19:09):
Well, not only that.
SPEAKER_01 (19:10):
In squalor.
SPEAKER_00 (19:11):
We're reconnecting.
Reconnecting.
Well, I don't know if we'restill recording.
SPEAKER_01 (19:16):
That's what we're talking about this app.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (19:18):
We all know.
SPEAKER_01 (19:18):
But it's still recording, it's counting.
SPEAKER_00 (19:21):
So Ed, he is schizophrenic, but he will not
be diagnosed for some time.
Um, so he goes further into hismind.
And I haven't been around a lotof schizophrenics.
I've seen the behavior,especially when you go to big
cities and you're on the street,you see it.
(19:43):
We sink it.
Um, I did have a friend that Iwent to high school with who
lives in Philadelphia.
We were just there.
Um he was diagnosed with itprobably about 15 years ago.
And um he said it was somethinglike like something popped in
(20:06):
his brain when when uh after andafter that like the voices
started.
And I just feel like Ed Geen'sbrain should have been studied
more later on um to help.
I don't know if there's evergonna be a help understanding
(20:28):
why he would go on, huh?
So many dynamics.
So many.
I don't know how I don't evenknow how to describe what I feel
about that without soundingmorbid or macabre, but I want to
know why people end up like him.
I want to know why.
I want to know what happens uphere because I don't think like
(20:50):
that.
And I've been through some shit,I've been through some awful
shit, but there's way morepeople out there who have been
through more awful shit than Ihave, but and I don't think that
way.
I don't I don't ever want tohurt somebody.
Um but then he starts graverobbing, um and he's stealing
(21:13):
the skin off of the off of thedead and making creations out of
it.
Making creations, making I I Ido say making arts and crafts
because we are um, you know, wetry to be on the lighter side of
things.
We're not trying to dumb downthe crimes, but we're just
trying to make it morelighthearted.
(21:34):
So he's making some arts andcrafts um with these graves,
with with these people that heis robbing, because he wants to
create a suit.
He wants to be a woman.
SPEAKER_02 (21:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:45):
More specifically, he wants to be his mother.
And what are your thoughts onthat?
What are your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER_01 (21:52):
Oh, my thoughts.
A little bit of goodbye horseson that one.
Yeah.
So many movies.
So many movies were tied intowhat you know it it created, it
it was like 15 movies.
We we talked about a bunch ofthem, and I think there's way
more that you're gonna be ableto do that.
SPEAKER_00 (22:13):
Oh, he was an inspiration for a lot of movies,
but you're A-rated, you know,were Leatherface, uh, well,
Texas Chainsaw Massacre, um,Silence of the Lambs.
What else did I say?
SPEAKER_01 (22:25):
House of a Thousand Corpses.
SPEAKER_00 (22:26):
House of a Thousand Corpses.
Um, there's another one.
Oh, so he was the inspirationfor Garland Green in Conair.
SPEAKER_01 (22:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (22:35):
And um, hold on, I have it listed right here.
Psycho.
Psycho.
That was the first one that wasmade.
Um in his I don't want to saymemory, but in his um, or not, I
don't even want to say in hishonor, but he was horrific
inspiration.
Horrific inspiration.
I'll say it like that.
(22:55):
Yes.
And um, yeah, I like and I likeboth psychos a lot.
Yeah.
I really love the one with VinceVaughn because I like Vince
Vaughn a lot, and I love thefact that he can do horror and I
mean he's really fucking funnyand really fucking scary.
SPEAKER_01 (23:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (23:12):
Like all at the same time.
SPEAKER_01 (23:14):
Yeah, he can do it.
It's genius.
Yeah, it's amazing.
SPEAKER_00 (23:18):
But um, so after the grave robbing for quite some
time, um he's also living insqualor, and he's only eating
pork and beans.
That's his dinner.
And he's eating them out of somevery uh personal handcrafted
(23:39):
bowls.
SPEAKER_02 (23:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (23:40):
Which, if you wanna find out more about that, listen
to the full episode.
Um the whole thing.
And then he ends up committing acouple of murders, which end he
end up getting him caught, um,found out about and these the
these poor I don't sympathizewith law enforcement a lot in
(24:03):
cases that I cover, but in thisinstance, it was a career-ending
experience, and they did it inthe dark in a house with hanging
things.
SPEAKER_01 (24:13):
So, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:16):
Whew.
SPEAKER_01 (24:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:18):
Like I was I felt icky.
SPEAKER_01 (24:20):
I'm over here looking at her like I'm like
side-eyeing the whole time she'stelling a story because it's
like I'm reconnecting with allthe shit that you dumped on me
in the middle of it.
It was so bad.
SPEAKER_00 (24:31):
And I couldn't believe that Jesse didn't know
about the nipple belt.
Like, that's one of the most uhfamous artifacts.
Did not know about the nipplebelt.
That's one of the most famousartifacts that have been talked
about um over the year.
SPEAKER_01 (24:48):
Yeah, so Wisconsin, they have the nipple belt, and
down south we have the Biblebelt.
SPEAKER_00 (24:53):
You know, today um I'm I'm part of several groups
that talk about true crime,mysteries, everything like that.
And of course, they were blowingup the uh the Netflix um Ed Gean
story.
And uh one woman was like, ithits a little different when you
live 20 minutes from where helives.
SPEAKER_01 (25:15):
Drive by that farm all the time.
Yeah.
And it was good that aftereverything was over with, they
you know, the house burned down.
SPEAKER_00 (25:23):
Mysteriously burnt down.
SPEAKER_01 (25:25):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (25:26):
So I hit the table.
Raw, uncut, unedited.
Where's this?
This is stuff we usually editout, but I hit the table and now
I kind of hurt my hand a littlebit.
SPEAKER_01 (25:35):
That was the spirit of Ed.
SPEAKER_00 (25:37):
The spirit of Ed.
But you know what?
Um, like I don't want toelaborate on this too much
because we are gonna talk aboutin another episode.
But I have to say, staying in ahome where two people were
murdered, I did not uh feel thatmuch bad energy.
SPEAKER_01 (25:57):
But where did you feel the bad energy, Miss
Lindsay, on our trip?
SPEAKER_00 (26:00):
Gettysburg.
SPEAKER_01 (26:01):
It was thick, it was thick goodness gracious.
And I took her for a drivearound like the battlefield just
checking out some.
SPEAKER_00 (26:10):
But the night before, he and I uh because we
took my our sist my mysister-in-law, his sister, on
the trip with us.
So she stayed in the room withour boy so that we could go have
a few drinks.
SPEAKER_01 (26:23):
We needed some relaxed some Gen Z time.
SPEAKER_00 (26:25):
And uh so we and I was all the driving, and my body
is used to exercise.
I mean, I'm still a big girl,but I exercise every day when
I'm at home, and I needed extraexercise.
I needed more walking.
So we were like, let's walk.
So we walked by this field, andI felt like I felt, I was like,
(26:46):
whoo, whoo.
And Jesse's like, well, that'spart of that's part of where it
was.
SPEAKER_01 (26:52):
We was probably a few hundred feet away from where
Pickett did his big charge.
And yeah, his historically,there's I mean, just on that
battlefield alone, it's it'sinsane how many people perished.
And I consider all that truecrime.
I I feel like, you know, the Iunderstand and I support what
(27:13):
the North had done, but theSouth being forced into that,
well, people just being forcedinto that, you know, especially
at a young age and everything,you know, it's pretty criminal
to me.
SPEAKER_00 (27:22):
Yeah, so Jesse is the historian here when it comes
to war.
And uh like I can tell you aboutmurder and and and mystery all
day long, but when it comes towar, this is your guy.
Yeah, well he told me while wedrove through the Gettysburg
Loop, he told me so much.
And when you know Excuse me,what a lot of these people went
(27:48):
through, like say, like tellthem how many how how far they
would walk and then have to bethere and fight.
SPEAKER_01 (27:55):
And then they had like a 30-minute, you know,
that's the uh the the Virginiaregiment.
And then I I took you up on thehill and said, well, this
regiment only had like 250people, but he took all 250 of
them and made them just go diejust because.
You know, it's like that'scrime, you know.
Yeah, you might be a general ordoing some shit, whatever, but
to know for a fact that thesepeople are gonna die when you
(28:18):
walk march them on this field,you know, it that's pretty
fucking criminal to me.
SPEAKER_00 (28:23):
I gotta look up a TikToker real quick before I
talk about what I was gonna talkabout next.
Hold on.
So I'm gonna do a little storytime real quick while I'm
looking this up.
Ooch.
Um let me turn this down.
Um so we're listening topodcasts on the way.
(28:46):
And we I I I wanted him tolisten to um True Crime
Obsessed's coverage on the ShutUp and Sing documentary about
the Dixie chicks, and I'm gonnafucking cry just sitting here
talking about it abouteverything that they went
through after Natalie Mainessaid what she said in England,
(29:08):
which I back up a hundredpercent.
Um and so the song Travelin'Soldier was in my head, and then
when we get back to the room, Idon't even think I hearted at
Jesse.
What's wrong with me?
That is it on my repost.
I don't know.
(29:29):
Hold on, give me just a second,guys.
SPEAKER_01 (29:31):
I've stayed off social media through the whole
trip, so I don't know what'sgoing on.
SPEAKER_00 (29:35):
Well, there's a couple that I follow on TikTok
that um listen to songs thatthey've never listened to, and
they listened, it was crazybecause we had listened They
were so cute too.
SPEAKER_01 (29:49):
We did watch that fucking cute.
Yeah, I didn't catch their name.
SPEAKER_00 (29:52):
So the night before, we had uh watched them listen to
Earl Had to Die.
Or Earl uh yeah, Earl Had toDie.
For the first time.
And then we go, we're we're thisthat was in New York, and we
leave New York and we go toGettysburg.
And while we're in Gettysburg,and he's telling me all about
this history, while we're layingin bed in Gettysburg, I pull up
(30:15):
and they're listening to Traveland Soldier for the first time.
I'm sobbing because we're in,and then I'm I'm thinking about
what he told me.
I gotta stop.
I'm gonna cry.
Okay.
And then we had listened to thatrecap of the documentary and the
Dixie Chicks and Natalie Maine'svoice.
SPEAKER_01 (30:37):
Like I'm not it's harrowing.
It is.
SPEAKER_00 (30:40):
It is beautifully like I I I am.
I mean, I was telling him aroundthe time that they took their
hiatus, which was in 2003, Ithink, 2003 or 2004, um, for a
while, because of everything.
Like she made a statement thatshe had no idea was gonna get
the backlash that it did becauseshe was that they're anti-war.
(31:05):
But I'm gonna tell y'allsomething right now.
Natalie Maines is a beautifulhuman being.
She helped Damian Eccles.
I'm gonna cry.
I'm trying not to clown.
I'm trying not to.
She helped, she was part ofDamian Eccles' entourage on
helping get him get out ofprison for something that he
(31:25):
didn't do.
And that's just that's abeautiful person to me.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:28):
When you're you're you got all this fame and you've
got all these resources, and youhelp this little guy from
Arkansas get off death row, likethat's just that's something
that is yeah, and well, and andto to give you a break real
quick, Lindsay, I mean it'scrazy how like politics can
really shift, you know?
(31:49):
And you watch it shift week toweek, especially, you know.
Uh honestly, you can't point outa time where it hasn't been just
completely a brain fuck.
And that's why I when it comesto politics.
Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (32:02):
I'm not on any side, I'm anti-political.
SPEAKER_01 (32:04):
Are we free speech?
Are we not free speech?
Can I say what I want to or canI not?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, if you get big enough, itjust depends, you know?
SPEAKER_00 (32:12):
It does.
SPEAKER_01 (32:12):
But it it shouldn't.
It shouldn't.
We should be able to saywhatever the fuck we want, no
matter which way.
I mean, if we have our ownopinion, that's our our
platform, you know?
And they're just a band.
And they actually stepped awayfrom being country music.
They were like, can we just belike a little bit more, you
know, kind of rock and roll.
Whatever we want to be.
What we want to be, or are, youknow.
(32:33):
I was I kept saying like aStevie Nix, you know, but I
think they said a BruceSpringsteen or something like
that.
They wanted to be likesomething, they wanted to kind
of step an edge a little bitaway from from the the typical
thing, you know, and they wouldjust the art, you know, they
finally got everything together,all the people, all the parts of
the band was just number onehits, you know.
They had that their albumrelease was just like top of the
(32:56):
charts and they're doingamazing.
So don't let anything hold youback.
And I I think there was just toomany people that were trying to
dive in the middle of that, thatthat were stripping away their
fucking rights, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (33:08):
Well, they were on tour in London and that was
around the same time that wewent to war with Afghanistan,
correct?
SPEAKER_01 (33:15):
Yeah, it was Iraq.
Yeah, they did the yeah, I thinkit was the uh it was during
George Storm.
SPEAKER_00 (33:21):
George W.
Bush.
No, it wasn't Desert Storm.
It wasn't?
No, uh it was the ne was it wasit oh my god, we're s yeah,
we're behind the times.
Anyway, it was the war thatbroke out in 2002, 2003.
SPEAKER_01 (33:32):
Okay, yeah.
I was half-ass paying attentiondriving.
SPEAKER_00 (33:35):
And she had every right to say what she said.
And no, because guess what?
People talk bad about everypresident, and just because he
made moves during a time whereour country had been under
attack, um, doesn't mean thatshe didn't have the right to say
that then.
She has the right to say it now.
(33:56):
She had the right to saywhatever she wanted to say,
period.
And she did not have any cluethat it was going to hurt their
career and put death threats onher head whatsoever.
But I just thought that that wasa very uh it was it it it like
all came together for us becausewe had listened to that
(34:19):
documentary recap, we hadlistened to those, those, that
couple listen to those that songfor the first time while we're
in Gettysburg, and I was just Iwas sobbing because that the
energy in Gettysburg, the um thefeeling, the thickness, and you
just think about all these kids,there was children in that war.
(34:43):
There were people who didn't I Imean it was just it was really
horrific.
It was it was horrific.
It was horrific.
Oh the civil war was terrible.
SPEAKER_01 (34:53):
Just structure of that conflict, you know, with
our own country.
It was it was horrible.
SPEAKER_00 (34:59):
And I just felt so much sadness while we drove
around the next morning, just meand him through this loop where
all those monuments and thememorials are set up.
And by the way, Pennsylvania's Imean, uh uh Gettysburg,
Pennsylvania, period.
It's beautiful, beautiful,beautiful countryside.
The the the most beautiful I'veI've seen.
(35:22):
Yeah, and um, but yeah, you justlike that.
I and while we're drivingaround, that song was just
playing in my head.
SPEAKER_02 (35:28):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (35:29):
But then I had already put on my makeup and my
lashes.
I was gonna play it, but I waslike, no, I don't want to sob
right now because I would have,I would have just stopped.
SPEAKER_01 (35:37):
I'm talking about something horrific right here.
So and I'm standing at a spotwhere a guy was blown apart with
a cannon, and then another guygot killed and laid on top of
him in the middle of the battle.
I'm talking about Lindsay, I'mstanding right here on this rock
where that happened.
It's a lot to take in, and I wasI felt it like I really felt it
as soon as I came over that hillinto Gettysburg.
(35:58):
I was like, here we are, youknow, because I felt it before
when I'd I'd been through there,I stopped at a McDonald's there
years ago, and I was like, Ihave to come back to this town.
But I felt it then.
It was just like whoosh, youknow, you just feel like as soon
as you're in the presence ofthat area where you know the
biggest and most horrific thingthat's happened in North and
(36:18):
South America, you know?
And um what really got me waswhenever I was trying to North
and South United States, yeah.
Well, uh the whole North andSouth America is the biggest
recorded horrific battle that'sever happened.
Yeah.
The single most horrific battlein in the northern and southern
American continents.
Yeah.
So I was just like, whoa.
(36:40):
But it didn't really hit me harduntil I started picking up the
the used bullets that they hadfound on that field.
And I was like, I was searchingthrough, I was like, okay, I'm
gonna get some of them thatweren't shot, you know, some of
the big bullets that weren'tshot, and I bought some for just
to have some.
But the ones that were picked upfrom that field, uh, it hit me
(37:02):
then.
Like, and I don't know if yousee me over there when I was
picking up the little trinketsand things before we left, but
that really hit me.
It's like, what did that bulletactually do?
You know?
SPEAKER_00 (37:12):
But we're gonna talk about that more in our New
England trip recap.
Um, but to wrap up Edgeen, solots of horrific things were
found in his home.
Um, and he was eventually duringhis trial and proceedings, he
(37:33):
was diagnosed withschizophrenia.
He was a very sick man.
Um I don't like I I don't wantanybody to misinterpret that I
sympathize with anybody thatdoes things like this, but his
situation was really sad to me.
Really sad.
And I I I I I I'm trying to findmy wording here, but I really do
(38:05):
blame the mother in thissituation.
Um, I don't feel like he had anyother um option in life, and his
opportunity to get out was takenaway from him.
I agree, but there are manyother human beings that go
(38:26):
through the same thing that donot do what he did at all, and
that's why I feel like he's aperson whose brain should have
been studied.
What was in there that becauseit's horrific to go and and he
would even say that he did mostof his acts in a disassociative
(38:48):
state, that his obsession withhis mother when he did his
murders came into play.
Um, because these women remindedhim of his mother, and why were
these harlots allowed to bealive and his mother was gone
and left him here all his hiswhole family died within a
(39:08):
five-year span.
Right.
All of them, everybody gone,nobody else.
SPEAKER_01 (39:12):
And I agree because he didn't have a chance to
become a decent human being andand and to be part of society
and learn how to coexist withother people because he was so
oppressed and held down by mama.
So there's the salad on that forsure.
SPEAKER_00 (39:28):
By the way, I'm done with that.
Appalachian Spirits is the name.
I just found it on the can here.
But if you guys are ever in thatarea, make sure you get one of
these if you are a Celsiusenthusiast, a seltzer enthusiast
like I am.
SPEAKER_01 (39:44):
They're good.
SPEAKER_00 (39:45):
But make sure you listen to our coverage on Ed
Gean.
We've got Lizzie Borden comingout on Friday.
And watch the Netflix series.
We're excited to watch it.
We're probably gonna watch itthis week, like when I get off
work.
That's gonna be our night, ournighttime for show.
Now, they did such a good job onuh Jeffrey Dahmer that I
(40:07):
couldn't even finish it.
SPEAKER_01 (40:10):
Yeah, we hope that we can.
Oh, we're gonna come back aroundto it.
SPEAKER_00 (40:14):
Yeah, because I'm gonna eventually cover Jeffrey
Dahmer.
SPEAKER_01 (40:16):
And um need to watch that until we do that.
That way I'm not like fresh onthe Dahmer stuff.
You know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (40:24):
That's gonna be later on, way later on.
I've got so many cases to cover.
Um for the month of October, I'mgonna be covering a lot of um
cases that Ed and LorraineWarren were involved in, and
(40:45):
then we're gonna talk about thema lot.
So stay tuned for that.
Stay tuned for Lizzie Borden,and stay tuned for recap on our
New England trip.
I promise you it's gonna begood.
Just listen, tune in because Imean it's and like I said, we're
gonna give recommendations forplaces to visit, for hotels to
(41:08):
stay at, for restaurants to eatat.
You want you want thisinformation.
I'm telling you.
SPEAKER_01 (41:14):
Yeah, made shit ahead of you.
SPEAKER_00 (41:16):
This was the planner, the main driver.
I did help out.
SPEAKER_01 (41:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (41:20):
Um, but when we were up there, I had I have really
bad anxiety, and there's a lotof bridges and tunnels.
And I'm just glad that I wasn'tdriving during the uh times that
I had little attacks becausethat wouldn't have been good for
anybody in the car.
So I commend you, sir.
Yes.
You are us you are an absolutedriving soldier.
SPEAKER_01 (41:40):
A traveling one.
SPEAKER_00 (41:41):
Traveling.
Oh, don't talk about it.
I'm gonna cry again.
Let's wrap this up.
SPEAKER_01 (41:46):
We'll see you guys Friday, though.
Stay tuned, and we have so muchfor season two.
It's gonna be amazing.
SPEAKER_00 (41:52):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (41:52):
And I don't know what we have because I don't
know shit about fuck.
SPEAKER_00 (41:56):
I get well, I gave a little, I gave a little hint
right there.
SPEAKER_01 (41:58):
I get it.
I get it.
SPEAKER_00 (41:59):
So Lizzie Borden's next, and then stay tuned for
about three cases that Ed andLorraine am I saying Ed and
Lorraine Warren were involvedin.
SPEAKER_01 (42:10):
Lizzie's gonna drop bombs on me this whole fucking
season.
Okay, I'm ready.
SPEAKER_00 (42:17):
All right.
We love you guys so much.
Keep please keep listening.
We love you.
We love your support.
Yes.
So much.
And I'm sorry I look like shit,but it's been a day.
We drove a lot.
But we're relaxing now, andwe're gonna sign off and keep
doing laundry because there's alot of it.
Yep.
Catch up with lots of it.
(42:39):
Yes.
Oh, and like and support all thebands that we have gone through
so far and uh or that we havefeatured so far.
And um, I'm gonna get a I didnot do this in our 50th episode
where we recapped all the music,but I also want to recap all the
books that I have listened tobecause I want to give those
(42:59):
authors credit.
Okay, because they really helpedme out with my research.
SPEAKER_01 (43:06):
So you can find that on Spotify too.
Drink About Something seasonone.
SPEAKER_00 (43:10):
That's amazing.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (43:11):
So if you have Spotify, you can listen to every
single band that we played.
So if you're into the music partof it, you can get on Spotify
and check it out.
SPEAKER_00 (43:19):
But we love you guys, and we'll see you on
Friday.
Or actually, we'll see you forthe next recap.
But listen on Friday.
Yes.
Bye.
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