November 19, 2025 • 35 mins
A 14-year-old’s name should not depend on a leaked memo to be seen. We sit down after a long day and open up about the case of Emily Pike—how a child in a group home disappeared, was later found murdered, and still no arrests have been made. We unpack why this story matters, how it connects to Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Persons (MMIW/MMIP), and what it says about systems that fail the most vulnerable.
We bring in reflections from our conversation with Native drummer and singer Al Santos, whose perspective spans community, ceremony, and the unexpected places culture travels. From powwow grounds to stages abroad, Al shows how songs hold memory, ethics, and resilience. We talk about language revitalization, respectful cultural exchange, and why learning from Indigenous traditions is not nostalgia—it’s necessary knowledge for a better future. The thread runs straight through history: the Wampanoag and survival, Thanksgiving’s complex truths, boarding schools and forced assimilation, and the ways whitewashed stories distort what really happened on this land.
This is also a call to act with clarity. We share how to learn more about MMIW/MMIP, why Turquoise Alert advocacy matters, and where to find credible coverage of Emily’s case, including vigils and family statements. We ask you to listen to our full deep-dive, share the resources, and help increase pressure for justice. If culture is how memory survives, then community is how truth moves. Join us at the Mount Dora powwow the first full weekend in March to support Otter Trail and experience living tradition with respect. Subscribe, share this episode with someone who needs to hear it, and leave a review so more people find Emily’s story and the families still waiting for answers.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Hey Jesse.
SPEAKER_02 (00:04):
Oh.
Hey, Lindsay.
Um Hey.
SPEAKER_00 (00:11):
We are on here live.
Uh what is it?
Raw, uncut, and unedited.
SPEAKER_02 (00:17):
Yeah, we're we're we're trying to come down from
watching a movie earlier.
SPEAKER_00 (00:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (00:22):
Yeah, we I mean seconds ago.
SPEAKER_00 (00:25):
Literally seconds ago.
We watched A Night's Talebecause it's on Hulu right now.
SPEAKER_02 (00:28):
It's the most wonderful movie that you've
could ever imagine, I think.
SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
And uh I've been I've been saying it for a couple
of weeks.
I'm like, A Night's Tale is onHulu, we gotta watch it.
So when we got home from havinglunch with the fam, I was like,
it's time.
SPEAKER_02 (00:44):
Yeah, yeah.
In the middle of it, she's likepointing out spots where she
wants to cry, and I'm all likeAnd I'm choking it back because
I have on the lashes.
I was thinking traveling soldieron top of it.
SPEAKER_00 (00:54):
Yeah, but he's gonna come.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01):
What?
SPEAKER_00 (01:02):
Okay, I'm not gonna cry.
SPEAKER_02 (01:04):
She wet her lashes.
SPEAKER_00 (01:06):
I did.
They got a little moist.
Yeah, I mean you can't seewithout the glasses.
Oh god.
Okay, enough.
Is that enough?
Sorry.
Enough.
SPEAKER_02 (01:14):
Trauma dumped right here, right?
SPEAKER_00 (01:16):
Okay, so here we are.
SPEAKER_02 (01:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:17):
We today we are we're gonna be a little serious,
more serious in our recap thannormal because of the material
that we are recapping.
So we're gonna recap our episodeabout Emily Pike, which I am
really proud of.
Like, good job on gettingeverything together.
So we had we recorded with ourfriends here at the table, my
(01:39):
bestie Erin and her wife Morgan.
And then Jesse had to do hisinterview with our guest Al
Santos separately and put allthat in the mix.
And I'm just really proud ofwhat you did there.
SPEAKER_02 (01:52):
So we had guests here at the table, and then we
had guests from Oklahoma and acelebrity guest.
So if you want to check thatout, MMIW is just a huge thing,
and we want to bring awareness.
SPEAKER_00 (02:05):
And MMIP for sure.
SPEAKER_02 (02:07):
All of that.
Look up all that.
Everybody.
We're huge advocates, of course,because I spoke a little bit
about history, you know, formyself, and you know, bringing
Lindsay into all that, and justthe the there's unrecognized
things that happen, you know,and we need to recognize it and
we need to share it.
SPEAKER_00 (02:27):
Well, with Al's interview, so yesterday when our
episode came out, or Friday whenour episode came out.
Yeah.
Um, this was you know, that wasmy first time hearing everything
that Al had to say, and I was, Imean, I was riveted.
I just I could not stoplistening.
I cried a couple of times.
SPEAKER_02 (02:46):
We respectfully spilled it.
SPEAKER_00 (02:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (02:49):
And, you know, it all boiled down to his sister
either taking a right or a left,and it would have been him too.
SPEAKER_00 (02:57):
Yeah, make sure.
So we're we're we we I coveredor I talked about Emily Pike,
which is um a young lady, shewas only 14 years old that went
missing this year and was foundmurdered later on.
The system, she was in a grouphome setting, the system failed
her time and time again.
(03:18):
And the only reason why her casewas even brought to light was
because of a leaked memo.
And her family, there's been noarrests made, all of her body
parts haven't even been foundyet.
No, and her family is fightingfor justice.
So, and I posted this in storieslast week, but if you haven't
(03:41):
listened to one episode of ours,listen to that one, bring
awareness to all of the thingsthat just get overlooked.
I mean, this is a horrendouscrime.
And um and it's it needs all thetraction, it needs every single
(04:03):
bit of recognition of andcoverage as any white person.
Like, bring it all, bring allthe awareness.
Let's let's get I mean it sothat happened, it happened in
January.
She was found in February.
Here we are, almost at the endof the year, and no arrests have
(04:24):
been made.
SPEAKER_02 (04:24):
No justice, no justice whatsoever.
And and it doesn't matter, youknow, what walk of life you're
at, what what culture you'refrom, and you know, if if you
can look at such a thing and youyou can embrace it and be like,
okay, I want to be part oftrying to figure this out and
and understand that the epidemicof missing murdered indigenous
(04:47):
women and and through a culturein in North America, it is it is
a big thing, and it's been goingon.
And even like uh I had Al on andhe talked about his sister back
in the 80s, you know.
So it's been going on uh allthroughout the the the history.
SPEAKER_00 (05:04):
It's just been going on and the things that I'm I'm
very passionate about, uh uhespecially when it was brought
to my attention when I hadawareness of it.
The things that natives havebeen through, period in the last
(05:24):
how many, 300, 400 years.
Yeah, because of our ancestors,just really bothers me.
And it there's got there has tobe something.
Help me.
I can't tell you.
SPEAKER_02 (05:37):
Yeah, well, nobody needs to take ownership of any
of that.
We just need to embrace thebetterment of uh a society,
right?
It's like he said, you know, youyou brought a whole culture and
everything down for uh acomplete existence of of
humanity down to three percent.
You know, if you think aboutthat, there's a lot of history
(05:58):
that is horrific.
And, you know, let's let'sembrace and and be part of uh
any injustice in in a in abetter outcome.
That's what we need to be partof.
You know, no matter whathappens, we need to jump on it,
we need to be advocates of thebetterment of a whole cultural
society.
SPEAKER_00 (06:18):
And the real history, not the kind that we
were taught in school, the thesugar-coated, the real history
behind what happened to thenative culture, it'll bring you
to tears, man.
It just and and I work with awoman who is, I mean, a good 15
(06:42):
to 20 years older than me thatis still so oblivious that she
was hearing me talk about wherewe had gone in our trip, and she
was just saying how she wantedto go to DC so bad because the
found the I can't even get thefoundation or the the the
(07:03):
founding of our country was sofascinating.
SPEAKER_02 (07:06):
Like that's all she knows.
And I'm like, what?
SPEAKER_00 (07:08):
What part she really thinks that how we founded this
country is is pure and and andbuttercups and rainbows.
I'm like, ma'am, where this is awoman in her 60s, ma'am.
Where have you been?
Right, and I was like, you knowwhat?
I I can't even get into it.
(07:29):
Please do some research beforeyou talk anymore about it.
SPEAKER_02 (07:32):
Well, 10 minutes on Google will teach you a whole
lot more than what school did,you know.
SPEAKER_00 (07:37):
Ten minutes.
SPEAKER_02 (07:38):
They really did push that on us growing up, all the
way from first to twelfth grade.
SPEAKER_00 (07:42):
You know, I mean, we thought Columbus was this great
dude.
SPEAKER_02 (07:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:46):
And now we're like Buff Lumbus.
SPEAKER_02 (07:48):
Yeah, yeah, you just lost, dude, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (07:51):
And that brought a lot of strife on an entire
nation of people that werealready here.
SPEAKER_02 (07:56):
Yeah, true.
So true.
You know, look up the history.
SPEAKER_00 (07:59):
If you're not the only one, real American history.
SPEAKER_02 (08:02):
He was one of the first ones.
You need to start from realAmerican history uh and and go
back as 10,000 years.
Go back 10,000 years.
Learn a little bit about your,you know, your your local
culture, indigenous people, andrespect that to begin with.
SPEAKER_00 (08:17):
Because they were everywhere.
SPEAKER_02 (08:18):
Yeah, and they were here first, literally all over
the country.
Without them, you know, whenthey came over, pilgrims and all
the the settlers and all thethings, whatever we want to we
want to call them, they wouldn'thave existed through the winter.
You know, it wouldn't have beenthrough the the the northeastern
tribes and woodland tribes andwell that's um Silas is learning
(08:39):
that in his science workbooksright now, like what the tribe
um I'm not I forgot the tribe'sname already.
SPEAKER_00 (08:46):
Um I'm horrible with that.
I'm so sorry.
But it was one that started withthe W.
I remember that.
SPEAKER_02 (08:51):
Yeah, the Winnipeg, right?
SPEAKER_00 (08:53):
Yes, yes, um they were what they taught the people
that came off the Mayflower whowould have literally just died.
SPEAKER_02 (08:59):
Wampanoag, I'm so sorry.
That's it.
Yes, that's it.
So, you know, that's realhistory, and I'm glad that
Abraham Lincoln kind of wrotethat in as being like a
Thanksgiving, but don't just belike that's a Thanksgiving for
us Caucasians.
No, it's a Thanksgiving for theWampanoag tribe and anybody
(09:19):
that's in the the woodlandsarea, the northeastern part of
the United States, that actuallyhelped support all these people
that were coming in and givingthem all the diseases and
everything that rolled on downto the trail of tears.
So many horrific things that um,you know, capitalism, uh power,
(09:41):
and just trying to take over awhole indigenous culture, a
whole um environment that theyhad already solidified as a way
of life, and we wanted todestroy that, and that is not
cool.
SPEAKER_00 (09:55):
And it doesn't make any sense to me as to why.
SPEAKER_02 (09:58):
No, these are these are people that are closer to
God than than the whole religionthat you could imagine Europeans
could ever think of, yeah.
Yeah, Western civilizationwanted to come over and destroy
everything godly that thesepeople had built.
Yes, they had inner turmoils, itwas 10,000 years of of
existence, you know, in betweentribes and everything else, but
(10:19):
they had a way closer connectionto what God really intended for
humans to have.
And I do believe that.
I think we would have beenbetter off if we would have
stripped back closer to theirculture.
We actually used some of that tocreate our country and then
stripped everything away fromthem to have a come-up.
(10:39):
You know, we use their culture,their beliefs, their ways of
existence, and then stripped itall away from them, the
religion, all their uh theirwhole existence.
SPEAKER_00 (10:51):
And then we tried to change like change the children.
We took the I don't want to evensay we, because I would have
never done nothing like that.
SPEAKER_02 (10:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:58):
Um, those motherfuckers took these kids
from tribes and locked them upin a school and tormented them
and hurt them.
I mean, and killed some of them.
SPEAKER_02 (11:10):
And yeah, this is a revolution, honestly.
You know, it's a revolution ofawareness.
Right.
All the way back, we can thinkof you need to spread awareness
and be like, you know what?
There was a Holocaust thathappened here in the United
States.
SPEAKER_00 (11:25):
It really did.
And it's not talked about enoughto me.
SPEAKER_02 (11:28):
Enough.
SPEAKER_00 (11:29):
Not to me.
I had to find out about thatpart of history through movies
and TV shows who were like,we're gonna put this out here.
And then I had like fact-checkedit, and I was horrified.
SPEAKER_02 (11:39):
Yeah, gas chamber would have been probably better
than this than the things thatthey had gone through.
SPEAKER_00 (11:44):
Stripping, you know, native children down, taking not
allowing them to speak theirlanguage, not allowing them to
have their own native, theirname.
Their name.
SPEAKER_01 (11:54):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (11:55):
They couldn't have their own name.
I mean, they changed their name,they changed who they were, they
cut their hair.
And I I was just horrified.
SPEAKER_02 (12:04):
The over 500 nations that they stripped away
completely down to nothing.
SPEAKER_00 (12:10):
And that happened all the way up in Canada and
like Yeah, North and SouthAmerica.
Um, you know, but I mean itreally did happen.
That bothered me when I foundthat part of history out.
Because you know, we briefly goover some shit in school, like
the Trail of Tears.
SPEAKER_01 (12:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (12:25):
Um, but when that was brought to light for me, it
bothered me for quite some time.
SPEAKER_02 (12:32):
The amount of whitewashing that they do.
SPEAKER_00 (12:35):
It's so embarrassing.
Like, you know, you know what Imean?
It's not that anybody needs totake accountability.
No, but at the same, but that'swhat I'm saying.
SPEAKER_02 (12:43):
Like you need to have like, you don't you don't
need to feel like you're you'rebeing attacked by any means
because of you know your youryour bloodline or whatever.
But no, I don't feel I'm stillhorrified about it.
Yeah, I'm horrified about it.
SPEAKER_00 (12:56):
And I'm horrified at the fact that I work with
somebody who still thinks thatour nation was founded in with
buttercups and rainbows.
Exactly, you know, that'sexactly what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_02 (13:04):
And I'm like, I'm gonna write a four-page essay
for her to read about justfocus, period, on on trying to
get back to the roots that arereal American history.
Instead of just you know good,adding on the last 250 years,
(13:24):
no, there's so much more.
So much.
SPEAKER_00 (13:28):
It's it's all horrible.
It's not good.
It's all horrible.
And I yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (13:33):
Yeah.
No matter what culture, whereveryou're from, you need to
understand where it all comesfrom.
In your in your area, you know,wherever you're from globally,
look back into your history andyou know, the the full embrace
of understanding whereeverything come into play, and
you can have a little bit morerespect for for other things
(13:55):
that are still existing, andsupport what really is going on
because I I feel like you know,indigenous people really had
livelihood and things way morefigured out than us how to
survive.
SPEAKER_00 (14:09):
And like I said, I don't want to they taught our
ancestors how to survive.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
Yeah, and to think that ourancestors came over here and
because I got a lot of ancestryfrom Europe, and yours is more
Scandinavian.
And so mostly my ancestors atthis table came over here and
(14:34):
like took this land and thenbelittled these people and made
them be ashamed of who they wereand made them hide in their it's
just it's horrible to me.
SPEAKER_02 (14:43):
And the biggest thing is nobody over here that
was indigenous had anunderstanding that this was
theirs because they weren'tholding their personality.
This was God's This is God'sland.
Yeah, God's land.
God gave this to us and we'regonna use it and we're gonna
respect it.
So that's where the strippedstripped down uh aspect of But
we called them strange andcalled them savages.
(15:05):
They had it together way better.
I really feel like they had ittogether way better.
Modern globalization has reallyfucked up humanity to begin
with, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (15:13):
I mean, white people do be fucking some shit up.
I mean, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (15:16):
I mean, we can go back marching on a field of
50,000 in the name of Jesus andkilling off the other half.
SPEAKER_00 (15:24):
Oh, yeah, it's just it goes way, way, way, way back.
And y'all know that.
SPEAKER_02 (15:27):
Go back 12,000 years ago.
Right.
Be like, this is horrific.
Power, money.
We know it's fuckery.
Y'all need to know it's fuckeryand spread the fuckery and
become better humans because ofit.
That's what we're sharing here.
SPEAKER_00 (15:42):
And um I want to encourage all of our listeners
to look up every YouTube videothat you can about Emily's
family and the demonstrationsthat have been in her honor, the
vigils.
Just plug everything you can.
And like I and I gave thenumbers on the episode, so
(16:04):
please listen to that episode.
We just really, and I mean, it'snot just for listens and views.
We want, we can't recapeverything on here as far like
the whole episode.
SPEAKER_01 (16:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:13):
But we want you to listen to that episode.
If you don't listen to anotherone, just listen to that one.
SPEAKER_02 (16:18):
That one's it.
SPEAKER_00 (16:19):
And share it.
Share it.
It's got numbers, it's gotinformation, it has background
into Emily, and then Al Santos,who Jesse has known for a very
long time.
He is a very famous NativeAmerican drummer singer.
He's got an amazing drum group.
I have been to quite a fewpowwows where his drum group was
(16:42):
host drum and enjoyed it.
I enjoyed listening to the songthat we featured.
I cried.
I mean, I just cried so muchduring that episode.
I cried.
Like listening to him and hisstories and you know, everything
that he's trying to put outthere.
SPEAKER_02 (16:59):
Even off the record, like one of his singers is
related to his.
Yeah, yeah.
So um, we we talked about a lotof things off, you know, off off
uh the podcast.
Off mic, yeah.
Yeah, off mic and everything.
It was just like wow.
You know, it it the the thefull-on global spectrum of
(17:22):
traveling around, and he's like,you know, he's you know, this
this song he he even talkedabout it being in Germany.
SPEAKER_00 (17:28):
Yes, that was a really cool story.
SPEAKER_02 (17:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:31):
Like how well singers in Germany were singing
his songs.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (17:35):
Native American hobbyists that want to be want
to support native culture inGermany.
And I've been invited.
Keep it going.
So I've been invited on cruises,I've been invited to Germany
myself to go and perform atthose exact same places.
And it's just like, you know,embrace culture, do it the right
way.
You know, it's not aboutappropriation and all that
(17:58):
stuff, it's just doing it theright way and learning the
history correctly, respectfully.
All of the indigenous people,you know, if you want to you
want to think that NativeAmerican religion and and
everything like that, you know,their language has been stripped
away.
I know.
It's barely existing.
(18:19):
I think that um I think that weshould start a Spotify of just
Native American language.
That would be awesome.
SPEAKER_00 (18:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:28):
You know, just the support, you know, because I
used to listen to like MuskogeeCreek language, and I used to
have uh some old cassette tapesand things like that where
they're they're speaking justMuskogee Creek because I wanted
to learn how to do stomp dances,which is you know Southeast,
very Southeast Native Americanum culture and stuff.
I used to want to learn to speakthose languages that way.
(18:49):
If I was going to a stomp danceor uh their religious ceremonies
and things, I wanted to be ableto speak those languages and
sing those songs and those thoserattle songs in that square.
And there's just so muchhistory, honestly.
If you want to learn it, youknow, grasp onto something that
you're really um intrigued in.
You you want to learn it and youknow spread it because you don't
(19:13):
want that to go away.
That's you know, that's God'slanguage.
You know, I've been I was taughtthat the Kiowa was the language
from the Kiowa nation wasbrought to them by God Himself.
You don't change it.
Isn't that crazy how closeHebrew and God it is?
SPEAKER_00 (19:28):
My dad even said that my dad has studied Hebrew a
lot, and when he came to acouple of powwows, um he really
was just like, wow, like thisthey're so similar.
SPEAKER_02 (19:39):
Similar.
He was so intrigued by that theties that they would put on
them.
SPEAKER_00 (19:44):
Because he was brought up in a generation that
didn't know anything about thereal horrific happenings that
happened to Native Americans,right?
SPEAKER_02 (19:55):
And with Creek language, they would blow a
conch shell, which was like achaufar.
Yep.
That was what brought everybodytogether.
Is that not godly?
How was that tie together?
You know, strip away the books,strip away everything.
If you want to bring religioninto it and what the creator
himself has brought amongsthumanity, how does it tie
(20:19):
together in more of a pure waythan what Native Americans had?
It was the last spot that wejust stripped it away and fucked
it all up.
SPEAKER_00 (20:29):
And um when I met Jesse and he brought a lot of
this knowledge to me and broughtme into that world and brought
this, I it was just I'm glad Iknow.
Like I'm glad that I'm not somedumbass that doesn't know more
about than what we were taughtin school.
Like it's it's really beenenlightening.
(20:53):
I and I like knowing things, Ilike knowing the truth behind
things because a lot ofespecially our age and older,
when you start to look back onyour childhood, there was
something else that we oh, I wasgonna talk about that.
So, real quick, what I'm tryingto say is as now in this day and
(21:14):
age, us, our generation andolder, we look back and we
realize that so many things wewere taught was a lie.
And one of those was what did wejust uh what did I share to you
the other day?
The DARE program.
SPEAKER_02 (21:26):
Oh.
Ooh, the triangle program, thepyramid scheme.
SPEAKER_00 (21:32):
It's disheartening, but like I'm glad that the truth
is out now.
Yeah, it's disheartening to lookback and think that everything
you knew as a kid was a phone.
SPEAKER_02 (21:41):
It's all a pyramid scheme.
SPEAKER_00 (21:43):
But yeah, that was a pyramid scheme.
Um Dante Elizabeth James.
He had some technicaldifficulties with his original
page.
So now he's on TikTok as yourmother, Y-E-R mother.
And he shared that he learnedthrough TikTok uh from an uh an
officer that was in that programa long time ago, that it was
(22:05):
pretty much an MLM for officers.
SPEAKER_02 (22:07):
So the more that they can spread, the more they
can make, right?
SPEAKER_00 (22:10):
And that's it was a failed program.
SPEAKER_02 (22:12):
Well, I mean we thought it was Jesus himself.
We thought it was just it wasthe it was the the most purified
way to spread something toeverybody that's in middle
school.
Yep.
You know, and they well we werein elementary school.
Well, yeah, in elementary schoollearning about crack.
Yeah.
Crack is bad.
Crack is bad.
SPEAKER_00 (22:32):
But you know, I mean, I'm really.
Why are you hit me with this?
SPEAKER_02 (22:35):
I didn't I wasn't ready.
SPEAKER_00 (22:36):
I will have to because we started in what, like
third grade was when theystarted introducing us.
SPEAKER_02 (22:42):
Like I remember seeing Dare.
I was probably in fourth, yeah,fourth or fifth grade.
SPEAKER_00 (22:47):
Well, you that's when you came to our town,
right?
Was when you were in thirdgrade.
Yeah.
So we had I'm gonna say that wewere in like full-fledged, like,
I want to say uh maybe notweekly, but monthly visits.
SPEAKER_02 (22:59):
Monthly dare meetings.
SPEAKER_00 (23:01):
Dare meetings, and then we had like a parade at the
Memorial Stadium, which was likeour old football stadium that is
now just for like little leagueand stuff like that.
But we would have like a wholefair day, like there would be
festivities and and activitiesand and so concession stands and
(23:21):
the whole thing.
SPEAKER_02 (23:22):
Like Lindsay's DNA and mine kind of meet together
in Five Points.
SPEAKER_01 (23:26):
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (23:27):
Where Grady Markham was That was my that was my
cousin.
Cousin.
Like he won the lottery and thenput a lot of money back into the
school system into Five PointsElementary in Lake City,
Florida.
SPEAKER_00 (23:39):
It's weird because I'm kind of a Nepo baby in our
town, but at the same time, Iwas not, I was treated like dog
shit by a lot of teachers.
Last name had the the small townfame, but I was treated like
shit by multiple teachersbecause ML libs were everywhere.
(24:01):
So now we've got to.
I was caught in the crosshairsof all of it.
We can talk days a little bit.
Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna talk,I ain't gonna mention no names.
I think I may have talked aboutit before, but our music teacher
at the school that he and I bothattended together.
SPEAKER_02 (24:17):
Lindsay.
Can you do that?
He can you do that here?
SPEAKER_00 (24:20):
Can you I'm not gonna say his name.
Oh, well um, but the musicteacher at that school, um
really cool to me first coupleof years that I that I moved to
Lake City.
I moved here from Lakeland.
I mean, I was born here, then mydad moved away, and my dad got
(24:41):
full custody of me.
SPEAKER_01 (24:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:43):
And then uh when my grandparents passed away, left
this a huge farm in a verypopular road.
SPEAKER_02 (24:49):
But give us a cheers to 1989, Lindsay, because we
both moved here in 1989.
The storm of the century camethat year, right?
SPEAKER_00 (25:00):
No, it was the next year.
SPEAKER_02 (25:02):
Was it the snow that came?
SPEAKER_00 (25:03):
Oh no, no.
Okay, the storm of the centurywas the next year.
It happened in March.
SPEAKER_02 (25:07):
Well, this snow that was snowed in Florida.
We can consider that a winterstorm of the century because
we've never had two foot of ornot two foot, it was like eight
inches of snow.
SPEAKER_00 (25:17):
Yeah, it was very small in Florida.
SPEAKER_02 (25:20):
So we didn't know what the fuck to do with that,
but I did because I was fromAppalachia and you came up from
South Florida.
South Florida.
South Florida.
SPEAKER_00 (25:28):
Well, Central Florida.
So and we were going back, butanyway, so Gen Z existence.
Right.
So 89.
Um, or actually it was 90 whenlike my parents became a member
of an MLM called Amway.
SPEAKER_02 (25:46):
Right off rip.
SPEAKER_00 (25:47):
Right off rip, not too long after we had moved
here.
Well, my music teacher andseveral other teachers at my
school and most of the membersof the church we attended pushed
it, didn't they?
What the well they were allmembers.
So when my parents got out,because honestly, like I've been
I've been roped in MLMs heretoo.
(26:09):
The people that rope you in,they already got locked down on
this town.
So who the fuck are you gonnasell to?
So anyway, so that's what myparents went through.
SPEAKER_02 (26:17):
You're losing right to begin with.
SPEAKER_00 (26:19):
So that's what my parents went through, and my
parents had pretty good jobs,and like I said, we inherited
where we lived from mygrandparents.
So they were like, well, youknow, this is just a lot of work
for no reward.
And they got out, and all of asudden, after that, my music
teacher who was my music teacherfor the next many years, started
(26:43):
treating me like shit.
And so did a few teachers at ourschool.
And I did not know why.
Yes, I was a I was a flabber, Iwas, I was, I had the gift of
gab, still do.
Um, but I didn't do anythingbad.
You know what I mean?
But I was always in troubleconstantly.
Thank God for the principal.
(27:05):
He kept me out of trouble.
Like, if I was sent to theoffice, he would just let me sit
there and chill because I didn'tdo anything bad.
I was just always picked on theteachers hated me.
I didn't get it.
SPEAKER_02 (27:16):
You had some cool points with the principle, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:19):
But you weren't doing anything wrong.
No, I wasn't doing anythingwrong.
And he made sure that I got put,like after I got treated badly
for the first couple of years,he made sure that I got put with
good teachers who would not umwere not biased to me, I guess.
SPEAKER_02 (27:35):
Or they weren't on the agenda.
Yeah.
He knew.
SPEAKER_00 (27:38):
And so he made sure that I got like he would place
me in certain classes to makesure that I was not treated like
shit except for the musicteacher, because there was only
one you couldn't avoid hisclass.
Treated me, wouldn't let me inchorus.
And like the first two years,praised my because you couldn't
join chorus till third grade.
(27:59):
Right.
So this didn't happen till I wasin third grade.
So first two years, he praisedme all the time.
Like he recorded my voice forthe morning announcements, like
wow, everything, everything.
Like I I I get my granny had thetapes of me singing our spangle
banner.
SPEAKER_02 (28:14):
Then become like the the part where you're not part
of the MLM because of yourparents and they're shitting on
top of Lindsay.
SPEAKER_00 (28:22):
Guess who never able to join chorus?
Oh, baby.
Me.
SPEAKER_02 (28:27):
Baby.
SPEAKER_00 (28:28):
I wasn't.
But you know what?
When I got older, and guess whosnatched me up for choir, solos,
everything else that I was partof, even though I don't I don't
like church or anything likethat now.
But they snatched me up.
SPEAKER_02 (28:43):
So Yeah, because you had talent enough to where you
did not deserve to be shit on.
SPEAKER_00 (28:49):
No.
SPEAKER_02 (28:49):
Because of the MLM.
You weren't helping Amron or whothe who was it?
What was the Amway.
Amway.
SPEAKER_00 (28:55):
Amway.
SPEAKER_02 (28:55):
Not Amron.
SPEAKER_00 (28:56):
I think Amway still exists today.
SPEAKER_02 (28:59):
Pay attention to all that.
SPEAKER_00 (29:01):
Don't follow pyramid schemes.
Fuck my music teacher.
Fuck MLMs.
Fuck all of them.
SPEAKER_02 (29:08):
All M's.
SPEAKER_00 (29:09):
But yeah, we went all the way onto a tangent there
for the city.
SPEAKER_02 (29:15):
We left Appalachia with nothing and lived in a tent
for six weeks.
SPEAKER_00 (29:20):
I didn't have to do all that.
We have bad backstories totallydifferent, though.
SPEAKER_02 (29:27):
So many crazy backstories.
And history, though, makes youbetter people if you embrace it
and try to overcome, you know?
I mean, you're just like, we hadhardships, we had so many
different things.
I mean, all the way up to pastmarriages and all the the drama
that we've been through.
We try to be better peoplebecause of it.
(29:49):
You have to strive for all that,you know.
SPEAKER_00 (29:52):
Exactly.
Yeah.
So after we went off on thattangent, um, so we're gonna wrap
up this session.
Uh recap so that we can recordour Friday episode.
So make sure you listen to ourfull-length episode, Emily Pike.
Drinkaboutsomething.sight.
Anywhere that you listen topodcasts, we're there.
(30:14):
We're even right here onYouTube.
SPEAKER_02 (30:16):
Follow all the links.
SPEAKER_00 (30:17):
I mean, if you want to be follow Al Santos.
If you enjoy the music that isplayed by Otter Trail, his drum
group, join us at the Pow Wow.
Which uh what's the dates onthat?
SPEAKER_02 (30:31):
So it's the first full weekend in March.
SPEAKER_00 (30:34):
I thought it was in February and March.
SPEAKER_02 (30:36):
No, the first full weekend in March.
Yeah, okay, okay.
And we shared it.
You shared the story.
SPEAKER_00 (30:42):
Yeah, I did share it in stories, and I'll continue to
share it in stories if youfollow us on Instagram.
SPEAKER_02 (30:46):
I was actually part of the uh drum group that
started this powwow.
So if you want to come checkthis out in Central Florida,
Mount Dora, right?
SPEAKER_00 (30:54):
We're gonna be there.
SPEAKER_02 (30:56):
Are we locking this in?
SPEAKER_00 (30:57):
We're locking it in.
SPEAKER_02 (30:58):
For sure.
SPEAKER_00 (30:58):
For sure.
SPEAKER_02 (31:00):
Lindsay's gonna make it happen now.
I'm ready.
SPEAKER_00 (31:02):
I have locked in several powwow days, so let's
not talk about that on thisvideo.
SPEAKER_02 (31:07):
So I have to go for sure, for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (31:10):
And you know, Al said he wanted you there, like
more than once.
SPEAKER_02 (31:13):
Okay, so come check out Otter Trail.
I'm gonna be on the drum groupwith them in Mount Dora.
First full weekend in March.
We're gonna be there, right?
Yes.
We're gonna be there probablyjust Saturday, or are we coming
for Friday and Saturday?
SPEAKER_00 (31:26):
We can do Friday and Saturday.
I'm off.
SPEAKER_02 (31:27):
Get in a room?
Get in a room.
Going to chill.
Going to chill.
Cigars afterwards?
Absolutely.
With Al Santos?
Yes.
Oh, it's happening.
Yeah.
Carol Baskins.
No Carol Baskins allowed.
But still, we're going to bethere at Mount Dora.
Come embrace indigenous society,Native American cultural event.
(31:48):
It's going to be amazing.
We're going to be there.
And I'm going to share this.
SPEAKER_00 (31:52):
And I'm excited to go back to a Powell.
Silas hasn't been since he waslittle.
SPEAKER_02 (31:56):
We might dress him out.
Let's get him a rig together.
I got so many over there.
SPEAKER_00 (32:00):
Landon will probably want to go.
He's.
We put on Al's music the otherday, and Lannon instantly went
into chicken dance mode.
Landon was a chicken dancer.
And if you I know that soundsfunny, but it's a real thing.
Look it up.
Chicken dancing is really cool.
We're going to set him up.
Let's do it.
SPEAKER_02 (32:17):
Let's do it.
Let's get them dressed out.
Let's go sing some songs.
Let's go do the things.
Yeah.
But anyhow, indigenous, missing.
SPEAKER_00 (32:28):
Missing and murdered, indigenous women and
persons.
SPEAKER_02 (32:32):
Just all of that.
SPEAKER_00 (32:33):
And let's get justice for Emily.
SPEAKER_02 (32:36):
For everyone.
SPEAKER_00 (32:36):
For every one of them.
SPEAKER_02 (32:38):
You know.
SPEAKER_00 (32:38):
But Emily is who we were talking about.
SPEAKER_02 (32:40):
Turquoise Alert itself.
SPEAKER_00 (32:42):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (32:43):
You know.
There, you know, and maybe AmberAlert doesn't, you know, off the
mic, we talked about a lot ofthings that may happen in
different Native Americansocieties, even all the way down
to their own tribal police.
Could be some shit going on.
So let's step up.
Let's be good at that.
SPEAKER_00 (33:02):
You know, I mean, I like I I want you guys to listen
to that episode.
And if you have, you will knowthat there are two people that
were not convicted of sexualassault towards Emily Pike that
should have.
unknown (33:15):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (33:15):
And then to begin with.
And then and then she's and thenshe gets killed.
So I mean, and that shit is justswept under the rug.
Giving people a good chance tobegin with.
It's terrible.
It is it's heavy on my heart.
But we are going to sign off andwe will tune in on Friday for uh
(33:36):
a whole new episode.
I don't want to say it yetbecause Jesse doesn't know.
SPEAKER_02 (33:39):
He's gonna break me again and again and again and
again.
So many breakings.
SPEAKER_00 (33:47):
So yes, yeah, thank you.
One more time.
Like and subscribe to us on hereon YouTube.
And um we're on every platform.
SPEAKER_02 (33:54):
Yeah, spread this globally.
Drink about something.
Help us find it a just justicein any way, any form that you
can you know pull up if you knowany information about any of
this stuff.
I said shin instead of shin.
Is there a shin or a shun onthat deal?
(34:15):
I don't know.
Whatever.
Lindsey.
SPEAKER_00 (34:16):
Let's whatever you say.
SPEAKER_02 (34:17):
Whatever you say.
This is drunk about something,but we're gonna see you guys on
Friday.
Yes.
We're so ready.
Lindsay's got a whole notherthing.
I'm not ready.
See us at the powwow.
Yes.
If you're allowed to come downand check us out.
Mount Dora, Florida.
We're gonna be there.
And Lindsay, I just wanted tosay thank you for sharing these
(34:40):
stories.
Thank you for helping me put insomething I'm so passionate for.
We had a celebrity guest onthere and some of your besties.
I see that hair hanging out overthere.
SPEAKER_00 (34:53):
We're preaching.
I love that episode so much.
And my bestie, Erin, and herwife are people that we can have
good conversation with.
We can have a good conversation.
Period.
Like we talked for hours.
Revolution.
Yes, revolution.
They're gonna be our revolutionbuddies.
Yes.
I have great besties.
SPEAKER_02 (35:12):
We're gonna call them over.
We're gonna be revolutionistwith them.
SPEAKER_00 (35:15):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (35:16):
No.
Um, thank you for having thisoutlet, you know, honestly.
And thank you guys for followingalong.
We're gonna see you guys thisFriday.
SPEAKER_00 (35:25):
Make sure you make sure you listen on Friday
because Jesse is going to bepuddle.
SPEAKER_02 (35:29):
Oh, she's plant time for me.
I'm not ready.
SPEAKER_00 (35:34):
All right, love you.
Bye.
Bye.
Hey Jesse.
SPEAKER_02 (00:04):
Oh.
Hey, Lindsay.
Um Hey.
SPEAKER_00 (00:11):
We are on here live.
Uh what is it?
Raw, uncut, and unedited.
SPEAKER_02 (00:17):
Yeah, we're we're we're trying to come down from
watching a movie earlier.
SPEAKER_00 (00:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (00:22):
Yeah, we I mean seconds ago.
SPEAKER_00 (00:25):
Literally seconds ago.
We watched A Night's Talebecause it's on Hulu right now.
SPEAKER_02 (00:28):
It's the most wonderful movie that you've
could ever imagine, I think.
SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
And uh I've been I've been saying it for a couple
of weeks.
I'm like, A Night's Tale is onHulu, we gotta watch it.
So when we got home from havinglunch with the fam, I was like,
it's time.
SPEAKER_02 (00:44):
Yeah, yeah.
In the middle of it, she's likepointing out spots where she
wants to cry, and I'm all likeAnd I'm choking it back because
I have on the lashes.
I was thinking traveling soldieron top of it.
SPEAKER_00 (00:54):
Yeah, but he's gonna come.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01):
What?
SPEAKER_00 (01:02):
Okay, I'm not gonna cry.
SPEAKER_02 (01:04):
She wet her lashes.
SPEAKER_00 (01:06):
I did.
They got a little moist.
Yeah, I mean you can't seewithout the glasses.
Oh god.
Okay, enough.
Is that enough?
Sorry.
Enough.
SPEAKER_02 (01:14):
Trauma dumped right here, right?
SPEAKER_00 (01:16):
Okay, so here we are.
SPEAKER_02 (01:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:17):
We today we are we're gonna be a little serious,
more serious in our recap thannormal because of the material
that we are recapping.
So we're gonna recap our episodeabout Emily Pike, which I am
really proud of.
Like, good job on gettingeverything together.
So we had we recorded with ourfriends here at the table, my
(01:39):
bestie Erin and her wife Morgan.
And then Jesse had to do hisinterview with our guest Al
Santos separately and put allthat in the mix.
And I'm just really proud ofwhat you did there.
SPEAKER_02 (01:52):
So we had guests here at the table, and then we
had guests from Oklahoma and acelebrity guest.
So if you want to check thatout, MMIW is just a huge thing,
and we want to bring awareness.
SPEAKER_00 (02:05):
And MMIP for sure.
SPEAKER_02 (02:07):
All of that.
Look up all that.
Everybody.
We're huge advocates, of course,because I spoke a little bit
about history, you know, formyself, and you know, bringing
Lindsay into all that, and justthe the there's unrecognized
things that happen, you know,and we need to recognize it and
we need to share it.
SPEAKER_00 (02:27):
Well, with Al's interview, so yesterday when our
episode came out, or Friday whenour episode came out.
Yeah.
Um, this was you know, that wasmy first time hearing everything
that Al had to say, and I was, Imean, I was riveted.
I just I could not stoplistening.
I cried a couple of times.
SPEAKER_02 (02:46):
We respectfully spilled it.
SPEAKER_00 (02:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (02:49):
And, you know, it all boiled down to his sister
either taking a right or a left,and it would have been him too.
SPEAKER_00 (02:57):
Yeah, make sure.
So we're we're we we I coveredor I talked about Emily Pike,
which is um a young lady, shewas only 14 years old that went
missing this year and was foundmurdered later on.
The system, she was in a grouphome setting, the system failed
her time and time again.
(03:18):
And the only reason why her casewas even brought to light was
because of a leaked memo.
And her family, there's been noarrests made, all of her body
parts haven't even been foundyet.
No, and her family is fightingfor justice.
So, and I posted this in storieslast week, but if you haven't
(03:41):
listened to one episode of ours,listen to that one, bring
awareness to all of the thingsthat just get overlooked.
I mean, this is a horrendouscrime.
And um and it's it needs all thetraction, it needs every single
(04:03):
bit of recognition of andcoverage as any white person.
Like, bring it all, bring allthe awareness.
Let's let's get I mean it sothat happened, it happened in
January.
She was found in February.
Here we are, almost at the endof the year, and no arrests have
(04:24):
been made.
SPEAKER_02 (04:24):
No justice, no justice whatsoever.
And and it doesn't matter, youknow, what walk of life you're
at, what what culture you'refrom, and you know, if if you
can look at such a thing and youyou can embrace it and be like,
okay, I want to be part oftrying to figure this out and
and understand that the epidemicof missing murdered indigenous
(04:47):
women and and through a culturein in North America, it is it is
a big thing, and it's been goingon.
And even like uh I had Al on andhe talked about his sister back
in the 80s, you know.
So it's been going on uh allthroughout the the the history.
SPEAKER_00 (05:04):
It's just been going on and the things that I'm I'm
very passionate about, uh uhespecially when it was brought
to my attention when I hadawareness of it.
The things that natives havebeen through, period in the last
(05:24):
how many, 300, 400 years.
Yeah, because of our ancestors,just really bothers me.
And it there's got there has tobe something.
Help me.
I can't tell you.
SPEAKER_02 (05:37):
Yeah, well, nobody needs to take ownership of any
of that.
We just need to embrace thebetterment of uh a society,
right?
It's like he said, you know, youyou brought a whole culture and
everything down for uh acomplete existence of of
humanity down to three percent.
You know, if you think aboutthat, there's a lot of history
(05:58):
that is horrific.
And, you know, let's let'sembrace and and be part of uh
any injustice in in a in abetter outcome.
That's what we need to be partof.
You know, no matter whathappens, we need to jump on it,
we need to be advocates of thebetterment of a whole cultural
society.
SPEAKER_00 (06:18):
And the real history, not the kind that we
were taught in school, the thesugar-coated, the real history
behind what happened to thenative culture, it'll bring you
to tears, man.
It just and and I work with awoman who is, I mean, a good 15
(06:42):
to 20 years older than me thatis still so oblivious that she
was hearing me talk about wherewe had gone in our trip, and she
was just saying how she wantedto go to DC so bad because the
found the I can't even get thefoundation or the the the
(07:03):
founding of our country was sofascinating.
SPEAKER_02 (07:06):
Like that's all she knows.
And I'm like, what?
SPEAKER_00 (07:08):
What part she really thinks that how we founded this
country is is pure and and andbuttercups and rainbows.
I'm like, ma'am, where this is awoman in her 60s, ma'am.
Where have you been?
Right, and I was like, you knowwhat?
I I can't even get into it.
(07:29):
Please do some research beforeyou talk anymore about it.
SPEAKER_02 (07:32):
Well, 10 minutes on Google will teach you a whole
lot more than what school did,you know.
SPEAKER_00 (07:37):
Ten minutes.
SPEAKER_02 (07:38):
They really did push that on us growing up, all the
way from first to twelfth grade.
SPEAKER_00 (07:42):
You know, I mean, we thought Columbus was this great
dude.
SPEAKER_02 (07:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:46):
And now we're like Buff Lumbus.
SPEAKER_02 (07:48):
Yeah, yeah, you just lost, dude, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (07:51):
And that brought a lot of strife on an entire
nation of people that werealready here.
SPEAKER_02 (07:56):
Yeah, true.
So true.
You know, look up the history.
SPEAKER_00 (07:59):
If you're not the only one, real American history.
SPEAKER_02 (08:02):
He was one of the first ones.
You need to start from realAmerican history uh and and go
back as 10,000 years.
Go back 10,000 years.
Learn a little bit about your,you know, your your local
culture, indigenous people, andrespect that to begin with.
SPEAKER_00 (08:17):
Because they were everywhere.
SPEAKER_02 (08:18):
Yeah, and they were here first, literally all over
the country.
Without them, you know, whenthey came over, pilgrims and all
the the settlers and all thethings, whatever we want to we
want to call them, they wouldn'thave existed through the winter.
You know, it wouldn't have beenthrough the the the northeastern
tribes and woodland tribes andwell that's um Silas is learning
(08:39):
that in his science workbooksright now, like what the tribe
um I'm not I forgot the tribe'sname already.
SPEAKER_00 (08:46):
Um I'm horrible with that.
I'm so sorry.
But it was one that started withthe W.
I remember that.
SPEAKER_02 (08:51):
Yeah, the Winnipeg, right?
SPEAKER_00 (08:53):
Yes, yes, um they were what they taught the people
that came off the Mayflower whowould have literally just died.
SPEAKER_02 (08:59):
Wampanoag, I'm so sorry.
That's it.
Yes, that's it.
So, you know, that's realhistory, and I'm glad that
Abraham Lincoln kind of wrotethat in as being like a
Thanksgiving, but don't just belike that's a Thanksgiving for
us Caucasians.
No, it's a Thanksgiving for theWampanoag tribe and anybody
(09:19):
that's in the the woodlandsarea, the northeastern part of
the United States, that actuallyhelped support all these people
that were coming in and givingthem all the diseases and
everything that rolled on downto the trail of tears.
So many horrific things that um,you know, capitalism, uh power,
(09:41):
and just trying to take over awhole indigenous culture, a
whole um environment that theyhad already solidified as a way
of life, and we wanted todestroy that, and that is not
cool.
SPEAKER_00 (09:55):
And it doesn't make any sense to me as to why.
SPEAKER_02 (09:58):
No, these are these are people that are closer to
God than than the whole religionthat you could imagine Europeans
could ever think of, yeah.
Yeah, Western civilizationwanted to come over and destroy
everything godly that thesepeople had built.
Yes, they had inner turmoils, itwas 10,000 years of of
existence, you know, in betweentribes and everything else, but
(10:19):
they had a way closer connectionto what God really intended for
humans to have.
And I do believe that.
I think we would have beenbetter off if we would have
stripped back closer to theirculture.
We actually used some of that tocreate our country and then
stripped everything away fromthem to have a come-up.
(10:39):
You know, we use their culture,their beliefs, their ways of
existence, and then stripped itall away from them, the
religion, all their uh theirwhole existence.
SPEAKER_00 (10:51):
And then we tried to change like change the children.
We took the I don't want to evensay we, because I would have
never done nothing like that.
SPEAKER_02 (10:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:58):
Um, those motherfuckers took these kids
from tribes and locked them upin a school and tormented them
and hurt them.
I mean, and killed some of them.
SPEAKER_02 (11:10):
And yeah, this is a revolution, honestly.
You know, it's a revolution ofawareness.
Right.
All the way back, we can thinkof you need to spread awareness
and be like, you know what?
There was a Holocaust thathappened here in the United
States.
SPEAKER_00 (11:25):
It really did.
And it's not talked about enoughto me.
SPEAKER_02 (11:28):
Enough.
SPEAKER_00 (11:29):
Not to me.
I had to find out about thatpart of history through movies
and TV shows who were like,we're gonna put this out here.
And then I had like fact-checkedit, and I was horrified.
SPEAKER_02 (11:39):
Yeah, gas chamber would have been probably better
than this than the things thatthey had gone through.
SPEAKER_00 (11:44):
Stripping, you know, native children down, taking not
allowing them to speak theirlanguage, not allowing them to
have their own native, theirname.
Their name.
SPEAKER_01 (11:54):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (11:55):
They couldn't have their own name.
I mean, they changed their name,they changed who they were, they
cut their hair.
And I I was just horrified.
SPEAKER_02 (12:04):
The over 500 nations that they stripped away
completely down to nothing.
SPEAKER_00 (12:10):
And that happened all the way up in Canada and
like Yeah, North and SouthAmerica.
Um, you know, but I mean itreally did happen.
That bothered me when I foundthat part of history out.
Because you know, we briefly goover some shit in school, like
the Trail of Tears.
SPEAKER_01 (12:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (12:25):
Um, but when that was brought to light for me, it
bothered me for quite some time.
SPEAKER_02 (12:32):
The amount of whitewashing that they do.
SPEAKER_00 (12:35):
It's so embarrassing.
Like, you know, you know what Imean?
It's not that anybody needs totake accountability.
No, but at the same, but that'swhat I'm saying.
SPEAKER_02 (12:43):
Like you need to have like, you don't you don't
need to feel like you're you'rebeing attacked by any means
because of you know your youryour bloodline or whatever.
But no, I don't feel I'm stillhorrified about it.
Yeah, I'm horrified about it.
SPEAKER_00 (12:56):
And I'm horrified at the fact that I work with
somebody who still thinks thatour nation was founded in with
buttercups and rainbows.
Exactly, you know, that'sexactly what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_02 (13:04):
And I'm like, I'm gonna write a four-page essay
for her to read about justfocus, period, on on trying to
get back to the roots that arereal American history.
Instead of just you know good,adding on the last 250 years,
(13:24):
no, there's so much more.
So much.
SPEAKER_00 (13:28):
It's it's all horrible.
It's not good.
It's all horrible.
And I yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (13:33):
Yeah.
No matter what culture, whereveryou're from, you need to
understand where it all comesfrom.
In your in your area, you know,wherever you're from globally,
look back into your history andyou know, the the full embrace
of understanding whereeverything come into play, and
you can have a little bit morerespect for for other things
(13:55):
that are still existing, andsupport what really is going on
because I I feel like you know,indigenous people really had
livelihood and things way morefigured out than us how to
survive.
SPEAKER_00 (14:09):
And like I said, I don't want to they taught our
ancestors how to survive.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
Yeah, and to think that ourancestors came over here and
because I got a lot of ancestryfrom Europe, and yours is more
Scandinavian.
And so mostly my ancestors atthis table came over here and
(14:34):
like took this land and thenbelittled these people and made
them be ashamed of who they wereand made them hide in their it's
just it's horrible to me.
SPEAKER_02 (14:43):
And the biggest thing is nobody over here that
was indigenous had anunderstanding that this was
theirs because they weren'tholding their personality.
This was God's This is God'sland.
Yeah, God's land.
God gave this to us and we'regonna use it and we're gonna
respect it.
So that's where the strippedstripped down uh aspect of But
we called them strange andcalled them savages.
(15:05):
They had it together way better.
I really feel like they had ittogether way better.
Modern globalization has reallyfucked up humanity to begin
with, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (15:13):
I mean, white people do be fucking some shit up.
I mean, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (15:16):
I mean, we can go back marching on a field of
50,000 in the name of Jesus andkilling off the other half.
SPEAKER_00 (15:24):
Oh, yeah, it's just it goes way, way, way, way back.
And y'all know that.
SPEAKER_02 (15:27):
Go back 12,000 years ago.
Right.
Be like, this is horrific.
Power, money.
We know it's fuckery.
Y'all need to know it's fuckeryand spread the fuckery and
become better humans because ofit.
That's what we're sharing here.
SPEAKER_00 (15:42):
And um I want to encourage all of our listeners
to look up every YouTube videothat you can about Emily's
family and the demonstrationsthat have been in her honor, the
vigils.
Just plug everything you can.
And like I and I gave thenumbers on the episode, so
(16:04):
please listen to that episode.
We just really, and I mean, it'snot just for listens and views.
We want, we can't recapeverything on here as far like
the whole episode.
SPEAKER_01 (16:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:13):
But we want you to listen to that episode.
If you don't listen to anotherone, just listen to that one.
SPEAKER_02 (16:18):
That one's it.
SPEAKER_00 (16:19):
And share it.
Share it.
It's got numbers, it's gotinformation, it has background
into Emily, and then Al Santos,who Jesse has known for a very
long time.
He is a very famous NativeAmerican drummer singer.
He's got an amazing drum group.
I have been to quite a fewpowwows where his drum group was
(16:42):
host drum and enjoyed it.
I enjoyed listening to the songthat we featured.
I cried.
I mean, I just cried so muchduring that episode.
I cried.
Like listening to him and hisstories and you know, everything
that he's trying to put outthere.
SPEAKER_02 (16:59):
Even off the record, like one of his singers is
related to his.
Yeah, yeah.
So um, we we talked about a lotof things off, you know, off off
uh the podcast.
Off mic, yeah.
Yeah, off mic and everything.
It was just like wow.
You know, it it the the thefull-on global spectrum of
(17:22):
traveling around, and he's like,you know, he's you know, this
this song he he even talkedabout it being in Germany.
SPEAKER_00 (17:28):
Yes, that was a really cool story.
SPEAKER_02 (17:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:31):
Like how well singers in Germany were singing
his songs.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (17:35):
Native American hobbyists that want to be want
to support native culture inGermany.
And I've been invited.
Keep it going.
So I've been invited on cruises,I've been invited to Germany
myself to go and perform atthose exact same places.
And it's just like, you know,embrace culture, do it the right
way.
You know, it's not aboutappropriation and all that
(17:58):
stuff, it's just doing it theright way and learning the
history correctly, respectfully.
All of the indigenous people,you know, if you want to you
want to think that NativeAmerican religion and and
everything like that, you know,their language has been stripped
away.
I know.
It's barely existing.
(18:19):
I think that um I think that weshould start a Spotify of just
Native American language.
That would be awesome.
SPEAKER_00 (18:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:28):
You know, just the support, you know, because I
used to listen to like MuskogeeCreek language, and I used to
have uh some old cassette tapesand things like that where
they're they're speaking justMuskogee Creek because I wanted
to learn how to do stomp dances,which is you know Southeast,
very Southeast Native Americanum culture and stuff.
I used to want to learn to speakthose languages that way.
(18:49):
If I was going to a stomp danceor uh their religious ceremonies
and things, I wanted to be ableto speak those languages and
sing those songs and those thoserattle songs in that square.
And there's just so muchhistory, honestly.
If you want to learn it, youknow, grasp onto something that
you're really um intrigued in.
You you want to learn it and youknow spread it because you don't
(19:13):
want that to go away.
That's you know, that's God'slanguage.
You know, I've been I was taughtthat the Kiowa was the language
from the Kiowa nation wasbrought to them by God Himself.
You don't change it.
Isn't that crazy how closeHebrew and God it is?
SPEAKER_00 (19:28):
My dad even said that my dad has studied Hebrew a
lot, and when he came to acouple of powwows, um he really
was just like, wow, like thisthey're so similar.
SPEAKER_02 (19:39):
Similar.
He was so intrigued by that theties that they would put on
them.
SPEAKER_00 (19:44):
Because he was brought up in a generation that
didn't know anything about thereal horrific happenings that
happened to Native Americans,right?
SPEAKER_02 (19:55):
And with Creek language, they would blow a
conch shell, which was like achaufar.
Yep.
That was what brought everybodytogether.
Is that not godly?
How was that tie together?
You know, strip away the books,strip away everything.
If you want to bring religioninto it and what the creator
himself has brought amongsthumanity, how does it tie
(20:19):
together in more of a pure waythan what Native Americans had?
It was the last spot that wejust stripped it away and fucked
it all up.
SPEAKER_00 (20:29):
And um when I met Jesse and he brought a lot of
this knowledge to me and broughtme into that world and brought
this, I it was just I'm glad Iknow.
Like I'm glad that I'm not somedumbass that doesn't know more
about than what we were taughtin school.
Like it's it's really beenenlightening.
(20:53):
I and I like knowing things, Ilike knowing the truth behind
things because a lot ofespecially our age and older,
when you start to look back onyour childhood, there was
something else that we oh, I wasgonna talk about that.
So, real quick, what I'm tryingto say is as now in this day and
(21:14):
age, us, our generation andolder, we look back and we
realize that so many things wewere taught was a lie.
And one of those was what did wejust uh what did I share to you
the other day?
The DARE program.
SPEAKER_02 (21:26):
Oh.
Ooh, the triangle program, thepyramid scheme.
SPEAKER_00 (21:32):
It's disheartening, but like I'm glad that the truth
is out now.
Yeah, it's disheartening to lookback and think that everything
you knew as a kid was a phone.
SPEAKER_02 (21:41):
It's all a pyramid scheme.
SPEAKER_00 (21:43):
But yeah, that was a pyramid scheme.
Um Dante Elizabeth James.
He had some technicaldifficulties with his original
page.
So now he's on TikTok as yourmother, Y-E-R mother.
And he shared that he learnedthrough TikTok uh from an uh an
officer that was in that programa long time ago, that it was
(22:05):
pretty much an MLM for officers.
SPEAKER_02 (22:07):
So the more that they can spread, the more they
can make, right?
SPEAKER_00 (22:10):
And that's it was a failed program.
SPEAKER_02 (22:12):
Well, I mean we thought it was Jesus himself.
We thought it was just it wasthe it was the the most purified
way to spread something toeverybody that's in middle
school.
Yep.
You know, and they well we werein elementary school.
Well, yeah, in elementary schoollearning about crack.
Yeah.
Crack is bad.
Crack is bad.
SPEAKER_00 (22:32):
But you know, I mean, I'm really.
Why are you hit me with this?
SPEAKER_02 (22:35):
I didn't I wasn't ready.
SPEAKER_00 (22:36):
I will have to because we started in what, like
third grade was when theystarted introducing us.
SPEAKER_02 (22:42):
Like I remember seeing Dare.
I was probably in fourth, yeah,fourth or fifth grade.
SPEAKER_00 (22:47):
Well, you that's when you came to our town,
right?
Was when you were in thirdgrade.
Yeah.
So we had I'm gonna say that wewere in like full-fledged, like,
I want to say uh maybe notweekly, but monthly visits.
SPEAKER_02 (22:59):
Monthly dare meetings.
SPEAKER_00 (23:01):
Dare meetings, and then we had like a parade at the
Memorial Stadium, which was likeour old football stadium that is
now just for like little leagueand stuff like that.
But we would have like a wholefair day, like there would be
festivities and and activitiesand and so concession stands and
(23:21):
the whole thing.
SPEAKER_02 (23:22):
Like Lindsay's DNA and mine kind of meet together
in Five Points.
SPEAKER_01 (23:26):
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (23:27):
Where Grady Markham was That was my that was my
cousin.
Cousin.
Like he won the lottery and thenput a lot of money back into the
school system into Five PointsElementary in Lake City,
Florida.
SPEAKER_00 (23:39):
It's weird because I'm kind of a Nepo baby in our
town, but at the same time, Iwas not, I was treated like dog
shit by a lot of teachers.
Last name had the the small townfame, but I was treated like
shit by multiple teachersbecause ML libs were everywhere.
(24:01):
So now we've got to.
I was caught in the crosshairsof all of it.
We can talk days a little bit.
Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna talk,I ain't gonna mention no names.
I think I may have talked aboutit before, but our music teacher
at the school that he and I bothattended together.
SPEAKER_02 (24:17):
Lindsay.
Can you do that?
He can you do that here?
SPEAKER_00 (24:20):
Can you I'm not gonna say his name.
Oh, well um, but the musicteacher at that school, um
really cool to me first coupleof years that I that I moved to
Lake City.
I moved here from Lakeland.
I mean, I was born here, then mydad moved away, and my dad got
(24:41):
full custody of me.
SPEAKER_01 (24:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:43):
And then uh when my grandparents passed away, left
this a huge farm in a verypopular road.
SPEAKER_02 (24:49):
But give us a cheers to 1989, Lindsay, because we
both moved here in 1989.
The storm of the century camethat year, right?
SPEAKER_00 (25:00):
No, it was the next year.
SPEAKER_02 (25:02):
Was it the snow that came?
SPEAKER_00 (25:03):
Oh no, no.
Okay, the storm of the centurywas the next year.
It happened in March.
SPEAKER_02 (25:07):
Well, this snow that was snowed in Florida.
We can consider that a winterstorm of the century because
we've never had two foot of ornot two foot, it was like eight
inches of snow.
SPEAKER_00 (25:17):
Yeah, it was very small in Florida.
SPEAKER_02 (25:20):
So we didn't know what the fuck to do with that,
but I did because I was fromAppalachia and you came up from
South Florida.
South Florida.
South Florida.
SPEAKER_00 (25:28):
Well, Central Florida.
So and we were going back, butanyway, so Gen Z existence.
Right.
So 89.
Um, or actually it was 90 whenlike my parents became a member
of an MLM called Amway.
SPEAKER_02 (25:46):
Right off rip.
SPEAKER_00 (25:47):
Right off rip, not too long after we had moved
here.
Well, my music teacher andseveral other teachers at my
school and most of the membersof the church we attended pushed
it, didn't they?
What the well they were allmembers.
So when my parents got out,because honestly, like I've been
I've been roped in MLMs heretoo.
(26:09):
The people that rope you in,they already got locked down on
this town.
So who the fuck are you gonnasell to?
So anyway, so that's what myparents went through.
SPEAKER_02 (26:17):
You're losing right to begin with.
SPEAKER_00 (26:19):
So that's what my parents went through, and my
parents had pretty good jobs,and like I said, we inherited
where we lived from mygrandparents.
So they were like, well, youknow, this is just a lot of work
for no reward.
And they got out, and all of asudden, after that, my music
teacher who was my music teacherfor the next many years, started
(26:43):
treating me like shit.
And so did a few teachers at ourschool.
And I did not know why.
Yes, I was a I was a flabber, Iwas, I was, I had the gift of
gab, still do.
Um, but I didn't do anythingbad.
You know what I mean?
But I was always in troubleconstantly.
Thank God for the principal.
(27:05):
He kept me out of trouble.
Like, if I was sent to theoffice, he would just let me sit
there and chill because I didn'tdo anything bad.
I was just always picked on theteachers hated me.
I didn't get it.
SPEAKER_02 (27:16):
You had some cool points with the principle, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:19):
But you weren't doing anything wrong.
No, I wasn't doing anythingwrong.
And he made sure that I got put,like after I got treated badly
for the first couple of years,he made sure that I got put with
good teachers who would not umwere not biased to me, I guess.
SPEAKER_02 (27:35):
Or they weren't on the agenda.
Yeah.
He knew.
SPEAKER_00 (27:38):
And so he made sure that I got like he would place
me in certain classes to makesure that I was not treated like
shit except for the musicteacher, because there was only
one you couldn't avoid hisclass.
Treated me, wouldn't let me inchorus.
And like the first two years,praised my because you couldn't
join chorus till third grade.
(27:59):
Right.
So this didn't happen till I wasin third grade.
So first two years, he praisedme all the time.
Like he recorded my voice forthe morning announcements, like
wow, everything, everything.
Like I I I get my granny had thetapes of me singing our spangle
banner.
SPEAKER_02 (28:14):
Then become like the the part where you're not part
of the MLM because of yourparents and they're shitting on
top of Lindsay.
SPEAKER_00 (28:22):
Guess who never able to join chorus?
Oh, baby.
Me.
SPEAKER_02 (28:27):
Baby.
SPEAKER_00 (28:28):
I wasn't.
But you know what?
When I got older, and guess whosnatched me up for choir, solos,
everything else that I was partof, even though I don't I don't
like church or anything likethat now.
But they snatched me up.
SPEAKER_02 (28:43):
So Yeah, because you had talent enough to where you
did not deserve to be shit on.
SPEAKER_00 (28:49):
No.
SPEAKER_02 (28:49):
Because of the MLM.
You weren't helping Amron or whothe who was it?
What was the Amway.
Amway.
SPEAKER_00 (28:55):
Amway.
SPEAKER_02 (28:55):
Not Amron.
SPEAKER_00 (28:56):
I think Amway still exists today.
SPEAKER_02 (28:59):
Pay attention to all that.
SPEAKER_00 (29:01):
Don't follow pyramid schemes.
Fuck my music teacher.
Fuck MLMs.
Fuck all of them.
SPEAKER_02 (29:08):
All M's.
SPEAKER_00 (29:09):
But yeah, we went all the way onto a tangent there
for the city.
SPEAKER_02 (29:15):
We left Appalachia with nothing and lived in a tent
for six weeks.
SPEAKER_00 (29:20):
I didn't have to do all that.
We have bad backstories totallydifferent, though.
SPEAKER_02 (29:27):
So many crazy backstories.
And history, though, makes youbetter people if you embrace it
and try to overcome, you know?
I mean, you're just like, we hadhardships, we had so many
different things.
I mean, all the way up to pastmarriages and all the the drama
that we've been through.
We try to be better peoplebecause of it.
(29:49):
You have to strive for all that,you know.
SPEAKER_00 (29:52):
Exactly.
Yeah.
So after we went off on thattangent, um, so we're gonna wrap
up this session.
Uh recap so that we can recordour Friday episode.
So make sure you listen to ourfull-length episode, Emily Pike.
Drinkaboutsomething.sight.
Anywhere that you listen topodcasts, we're there.
(30:14):
We're even right here onYouTube.
SPEAKER_02 (30:16):
Follow all the links.
SPEAKER_00 (30:17):
I mean, if you want to be follow Al Santos.
If you enjoy the music that isplayed by Otter Trail, his drum
group, join us at the Pow Wow.
Which uh what's the dates onthat?
SPEAKER_02 (30:31):
So it's the first full weekend in March.
SPEAKER_00 (30:34):
I thought it was in February and March.
SPEAKER_02 (30:36):
No, the first full weekend in March.
Yeah, okay, okay.
And we shared it.
You shared the story.
SPEAKER_00 (30:42):
Yeah, I did share it in stories, and I'll continue to
share it in stories if youfollow us on Instagram.
SPEAKER_02 (30:46):
I was actually part of the uh drum group that
started this powwow.
So if you want to come checkthis out in Central Florida,
Mount Dora, right?
SPEAKER_00 (30:54):
We're gonna be there.
SPEAKER_02 (30:56):
Are we locking this in?
SPEAKER_00 (30:57):
We're locking it in.
SPEAKER_02 (30:58):
For sure.
SPEAKER_00 (30:58):
For sure.
SPEAKER_02 (31:00):
Lindsay's gonna make it happen now.
I'm ready.
SPEAKER_00 (31:02):
I have locked in several powwow days, so let's
not talk about that on thisvideo.
SPEAKER_02 (31:07):
So I have to go for sure, for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (31:10):
And you know, Al said he wanted you there, like
more than once.
SPEAKER_02 (31:13):
Okay, so come check out Otter Trail.
I'm gonna be on the drum groupwith them in Mount Dora.
First full weekend in March.
We're gonna be there, right?
Yes.
We're gonna be there probablyjust Saturday, or are we coming
for Friday and Saturday?
SPEAKER_00 (31:26):
We can do Friday and Saturday.
I'm off.
SPEAKER_02 (31:27):
Get in a room?
Get in a room.
Going to chill.
Going to chill.
Cigars afterwards?
Absolutely.
With Al Santos?
Yes.
Oh, it's happening.
Yeah.
Carol Baskins.
No Carol Baskins allowed.
But still, we're going to bethere at Mount Dora.
Come embrace indigenous society,Native American cultural event.
(31:48):
It's going to be amazing.
We're going to be there.
And I'm going to share this.
SPEAKER_00 (31:52):
And I'm excited to go back to a Powell.
Silas hasn't been since he waslittle.
SPEAKER_02 (31:56):
We might dress him out.
Let's get him a rig together.
I got so many over there.
SPEAKER_00 (32:00):
Landon will probably want to go.
He's.
We put on Al's music the otherday, and Lannon instantly went
into chicken dance mode.
Landon was a chicken dancer.
And if you I know that soundsfunny, but it's a real thing.
Look it up.
Chicken dancing is really cool.
We're going to set him up.
Let's do it.
SPEAKER_02 (32:17):
Let's do it.
Let's get them dressed out.
Let's go sing some songs.
Let's go do the things.
Yeah.
But anyhow, indigenous, missing.
SPEAKER_00 (32:28):
Missing and murdered, indigenous women and
persons.
SPEAKER_02 (32:32):
Just all of that.
SPEAKER_00 (32:33):
And let's get justice for Emily.
SPEAKER_02 (32:36):
For everyone.
SPEAKER_00 (32:36):
For every one of them.
SPEAKER_02 (32:38):
You know.
SPEAKER_00 (32:38):
But Emily is who we were talking about.
SPEAKER_02 (32:40):
Turquoise Alert itself.
SPEAKER_00 (32:42):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (32:43):
You know.
There, you know, and maybe AmberAlert doesn't, you know, off the
mic, we talked about a lot ofthings that may happen in
different Native Americansocieties, even all the way down
to their own tribal police.
Could be some shit going on.
So let's step up.
Let's be good at that.
SPEAKER_00 (33:02):
You know, I mean, I like I I want you guys to listen
to that episode.
And if you have, you will knowthat there are two people that
were not convicted of sexualassault towards Emily Pike that
should have.
unknown (33:15):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (33:15):
And then to begin with.
And then and then she's and thenshe gets killed.
So I mean, and that shit is justswept under the rug.
Giving people a good chance tobegin with.
It's terrible.
It is it's heavy on my heart.
But we are going to sign off andwe will tune in on Friday for uh
(33:36):
a whole new episode.
I don't want to say it yetbecause Jesse doesn't know.
SPEAKER_02 (33:39):
He's gonna break me again and again and again and
again.
So many breakings.
SPEAKER_00 (33:47):
So yes, yeah, thank you.
One more time.
Like and subscribe to us on hereon YouTube.
And um we're on every platform.
SPEAKER_02 (33:54):
Yeah, spread this globally.
Drink about something.
Help us find it a just justicein any way, any form that you
can you know pull up if you knowany information about any of
this stuff.
I said shin instead of shin.
Is there a shin or a shun onthat deal?
(34:15):
I don't know.
Whatever.
Lindsey.
SPEAKER_00 (34:16):
Let's whatever you say.
SPEAKER_02 (34:17):
Whatever you say.
This is drunk about something,but we're gonna see you guys on
Friday.
Yes.
We're so ready.
Lindsay's got a whole notherthing.
I'm not ready.
See us at the powwow.
Yes.
If you're allowed to come downand check us out.
Mount Dora, Florida.
We're gonna be there.
And Lindsay, I just wanted tosay thank you for sharing these
(34:40):
stories.
Thank you for helping me put insomething I'm so passionate for.
We had a celebrity guest onthere and some of your besties.
I see that hair hanging out overthere.
SPEAKER_00 (34:53):
We're preaching.
I love that episode so much.
And my bestie, Erin, and herwife are people that we can have
good conversation with.
We can have a good conversation.
Period.
Like we talked for hours.
Revolution.
Yes, revolution.
They're gonna be our revolutionbuddies.
Yes.
I have great besties.
SPEAKER_02 (35:12):
We're gonna call them over.
We're gonna be revolutionistwith them.
SPEAKER_00 (35:15):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (35:16):
No.
Um, thank you for having thisoutlet, you know, honestly.
And thank you guys for followingalong.
We're gonna see you guys thisFriday.
SPEAKER_00 (35:25):
Make sure you make sure you listen on Friday
because Jesse is going to bepuddle.
SPEAKER_02 (35:29):
Oh, she's plant time for me.
I'm not ready.
SPEAKER_00 (35:34):
All right, love you.
Bye.
Bye.
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