November 26, 2025 • 33 mins
A town can break twice: first when its jobs vanish, then when its story gets rewritten by fear. We walked through Fall River—slept in Lizzie Borden’s room, ate with locals, and then pressed into Bedford Street’s harsh past—to examine how a “satanic cult” rose from recession, predation, and performance. The headlines point to demons. The record points to control.
We lay out the players: Carl Drew, a runaway who learned power the hard way; Robin Murphy, young and feared, intent on ruling her strip; and Andy Maltese, an older predator whose “psychic dream” revealed a murder detail the public didn’t know. Three women—Doreen Levesque, Barbara Raposa, and Karen Marsden—anchor the timeline, and each case shows how ritual language can mask old crimes: grooming, trafficking, intimidation, and escalating violence. When the sentences landed, the meetings stopped. The “cult” dissolved with the arrest of its enforcers, a clue that belief was the stage dressing and fear was the business model.
If true crime is about more than shock, it’s about seeing the machinery behind the myth. We map the power pyramid, the plea deals, and the evidence that actually moved the cases—like that cinder block confession. Then we zoom back out to ask the harder question: how do we keep the next Bedford Street from forming in any city where money dries up and kids are left unguarded? Hit play, bring your theory, and tell us where you land on panic versus power.
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Hi, and welcome to Drunk AboutSomething, where we are raw,
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And we're gonna recap ourprevious episode.
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And happy Thanksgiving, everybody.
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SPEAKER_02 (02:33):
But we gotta talk about this so I can eat some
more chili.
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That was some kind of chili.
I have one bowl and I want onemore.
If I remember it, I'll tell you.
SPEAKER_02 (02:40):
Yes.
So today we are recapping ourepisode on the satanic cult that
happened in Fall River,Massachusetts.
Fuck in the 80s.
That again?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:53):
Okay, that again.
SPEAKER_02 (02:55):
So if you haven't listened to the episode, go back
real quick, episode 57, FallRiver Cult, and uh listen to
that.
And so you can come back andknow what we're talking about.
But Jesse, I want to hear yourthoughts.
SPEAKER_00 (03:10):
So we went to Fall River.
We did.
Did not know that some shit wentdown that we had talked about
before Satanic Panic, hashtag,whatever you want to call it.
Holy shit.
SPEAKER_02 (03:23):
Well, we while we were in Fall River, we stayed at
the Lizzie Borden bed andbreakfast, and that is where
Lizzie Borden's parents, well,her father and stepmother were
uh axe murdered.
Whatever they were hatcheted todeath.
SPEAKER_00 (03:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (03:42):
And uh we covered the story about that.
SPEAKER_00 (03:46):
In her bedroom, Lizzie's bedroom.
SPEAKER_02 (03:48):
And we stayed in Lizzie's bedroom.
It was very comfortable.
I liked it.
SPEAKER_00 (03:51):
I liked the bed.
That's nice.
Uh no weird vibes, but you know,still shit happened.
Shit happened.
SPEAKER_02 (03:58):
Shit did happen there.
And a lot more shit happened inthis town.
And uh that included a sataniccult.
Yeah.
Kind of.
Um that what consisted of sexworkers and pimps.
And uh the man pimp.
SPEAKER_00 (04:14):
Young, young, young, so did we say young?
You said young, I said young.
Children.
And we both said young.
They were 17-ish.
SPEAKER_02 (04:25):
17, between, okay, we'll say between 17 and 26.
And then the oldest was a nasty,dirty old man uh named Andy
Maltisse, who okay, so we've gotfirst off, we've got Carl Drew.
Yeah.
Um, he had come to Fall Riverafter leaving home at 14 because
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of abusive situations, and hegot involved in some crime,
which a lot of children do fallinto that.
Um after their horrificchildhood and upbringing, a lot
of them do fall into crime.
Not ever not all of them.
Some of them come out on thebetter side, some of them fall
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into what Carl Drew fell into,which was a life of crime, and
then he ended up becoming themain pimp on Bedford Street in
Fall River.
SPEAKER_00 (05:28):
You know, I I feel like you know they had stripped
away some industry, you know,some financial problems.
People were kind of hit, youknow.
SPEAKER_02 (05:36):
It had previously been the number one spot for
textile industry.
And then, you know, recessioncame and things just went
downhill.
SPEAKER_00 (05:47):
And then so pretty much what you had was pimps and
sex workers and wasn't like thenumber two spot in
Massachusetts, too, like thenumber two area in Massachusetts
at one time, not long beforethat.
So it it has a quick it had aquick rise and then boom, it
dropped, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (06:06):
But uh at we can attest to it is beautiful and a
great place to visit.
Oh, it's please go.
SPEAKER_00 (06:11):
Go please go and we will tell you, hit us up because
we will tell you all the coolsecrets and the places to go
because Fall River is beautiful.
Go to it.
SPEAKER_02 (06:20):
So we got Carl Drew who comes to this town as pretty
much a runaway.
He falls into a life of crimeand then becomes a pimp on
Bedford Street in Fall River.
He's pretty much the kingpin ofthat area.
And um he has some competitionwith a young lady who was only,
(06:44):
and I'll I say it insufferably,she was only 17 years old, named
Ra Robin Murphy.
Robin Murphy had been kind oflike a problem, a problem child,
um, and fell into this uh lineof work because of a dirty old
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man named Andrew Maltese.
Or was it Andrew or Andre?
Anyway, Andy Maltese uh waspretty much the cause of her
everything that she did.
SPEAKER_00 (07:18):
A lot of a lot of fucked up stuff, and there was
like a whole society that wasjust pushing all these kids out
into something they weren't theyweren't ready for.
You know, they were just tryingto come up, they were just
trying to find a way to makesome money.
SPEAKER_02 (07:34):
Right.
Well, you had Carl Drew withStreet Smart because he had left
home and learned how to survive.
Then Robin Murphy, pretty muchthe same thing.
She didn't really like herstepfather, she didn't get along
with her mother.
So she met Andy Maltese, who wasa dirty, nasty old man who
groomed her, raped her, gave herdrugs, and introduced her into
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devil worship.
SPEAKER_00 (08:00):
Boom.
SPEAKER_02 (08:01):
And then uh allegedly, Carl Drew.
SPEAKER_00 (08:06):
You gotta do that with these things.
SPEAKER_02 (08:08):
Allegedly, Carl Drew was also into Satan worship, and
then Robin got into it, andquite a few sex workers were
also a part of this cult thatwas happening in Fall River.
Now, there were three murders.
So you had Doreen Levesque,Barbara Wap Raposa, and then
(08:35):
Karen Marzin.
Now, Doreen Levesque had beentied to Carl Drew as basically
one of his, excuse me, not oneof his employees, but as a sex
worker who was pimpless.
SPEAKER_00 (08:53):
They were entrepreneurs, they they wanted
to do their own thing.
SPEAKER_02 (08:56):
And she did not want to be tied down to a pimp.
And allegedly.
SPEAKER_00 (09:02):
Well, they were trying to find her car, right?
There was like, wasn't that?
SPEAKER_02 (09:06):
That was that was another one.
That was cookie.
SPEAKER_00 (09:08):
Oh, that was cookie with the car thing.
But no, she was she was doingher own thing at 17, like roll
rolling her shit, and it waslike, I don't need anybody to
rule me.
I'm gonna I'm gonna get my ownjob.
SPEAKER_02 (09:20):
Well, that was Robin.
SPEAKER_00 (09:21):
That was Robin.
SPEAKER_02 (09:22):
But um, but Doreen Levesque turned up dead.
She had been stoned to death,stoned to death and assaulted.
And um pretty much Karen Marsdencame forward and said, Carl Drew
did it.
And then Barbara Raposa turnedup dead, and Andy Maltese came
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to the police and was like, youknow, because at first he was
like, I'm a Satanist.
Then he came to the police andwas like, I'm not affiliated
with the Satanic.
Yeah, I'm getting there.
Yeah, you're getting there.
Huh.
So he came to the police andsaid, you know what, I was uh in
(10:12):
the satanic cult, but now I havefound Jesus, and I have had this
uh psychic dream.
SPEAKER_01 (10:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (10:23):
And I seen somebody, you know, basically stone
Barbara to death.
No, it wasn't a stone, it was acinder block.
SPEAKER_00 (10:32):
And that's exactly what fucking killed her.
SPEAKER_02 (10:34):
And a cinder block was the murder weapon, but it
hadn't been released to thepublic.
SPEAKER_00 (10:40):
I'm sipping on that one.
SPEAKER_02 (10:42):
So the police were like, oh, did you just confess
to murder?
That's what they considered it.
Under the guise of a psychicdream.
Yeah.
So he gets arrested.
And then um there were rumorsthat Robin was involved.
(11:02):
And then Karen Marsden, she saidthat it was Carl Drew who had
killed Doreen Levesque and saidthat if she turned up dead, it
was Carl Drew.
And she had sought asylum to achurch, and an officer drove her
there, and that was the last shewas seen.
(11:24):
So Barbara Raposa was the nextto be found murdered.
And then so Andy Maltese wasarrested on her murder.
Doreen Levesque, um, Carl Drewwas arrested for that one, and
(11:46):
then Karen Marsden, who said ifshe turned up dead, it was Carl
Drew.
She turned up dead.
But then Robin Murphy cameforward and was like, I have
some information on BarbaraRaposa and Doreen Levesque, but
then it was later um found outthat she had a part in Karen
(12:12):
Marsden's murder.
So she was like, she made adeal, and she's like, okay,
okay, yeah, I was there and Ihad a hand in it.
SPEAKER_00 (12:20):
But she was in the car with him, right?
SPEAKER_02 (12:22):
She was in the car, and that Carl Drew had made her
do certain things to KarenMarsden.
So she was like, but I haveinformation on these other two
murders, so can we make a deal?
So Carl Drew gets a lifesentence for Doreen Levesque.
(12:50):
And uh and Karen Marsden, Ibelieve.
And then, of course, AndyMaltese, who you know saw
Barbara's murder in a dream, hegets a life sentence for
Barbara.
And then Robin, she gets timefor pretty much being a part of
everything, but she gets put upfor parole later on.
(13:14):
But Andy Maltese, he died inprison like uh just a few years
later.
And then uh Carl Drew, he'sstill in prison.
Excuse me, burps.
SPEAKER_00 (13:26):
You know what's crazy, Lindsay?
You're pulling all this off thedome.
It's like we talked about it,but like you're really nailing
it, like so is it's like that.
SPEAKER_02 (13:41):
I'm amazed over here just well, what's crazy is this
cult, yeah, um, they were in thesummertime, they would go out
into the forest and they wouldsacrifice animals.
And what what is really crazy tome, but a lot of the people that
have covered this and even inthe documentary, they compare a
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lot of the things that theseSatanists or devil worshipers
did, how close it was to a lotof Christianity.
So in the summertime, they wouldgo out into the forest and they
would sacrifice animals.
And then in the in the coldermonths of the year, they would
go to a woman's apartment whowas intimately involved with
(14:28):
Robin Murphy.
Her name was Sonny Sparta, andshe had a huge uh painting of
Satan in her house, and theywould use that as an altar that
they would pray to and theywould chant and uh speak in
other tongues, which issomething that I don't know if
(14:49):
you grew up with that, but I didin the Christian community with
Pentecostals and not.
SPEAKER_00 (14:55):
We're not fucking sacrificing animals, and I'm not
saying that I'm a animalsacrifices was in the Bible.
It was a lot.
So maybe they should bring thatshit back to churches.
Just pull in a fucking goat anddo that shit, be like, we're
going old school today, in thename of Jesus.
If I can pull out a goat andkill the shit out of it, and I
mean the blood of the lamb,right?
SPEAKER_02 (15:17):
Well, what's crazy is all three of these murders
were done by stoning, which ismentioned a lot in the Bible.
SPEAKER_00 (15:26):
I mean, there are several, several religious educ
executions that were done bystoning.
Wow.
SPEAKER_02 (15:36):
So here is a little thing.
So um it was a Christian namedStephen who was stoned in the
New Testament.
And supposedly, allegedly, whenhe was dying, he cried out,
Father, into your hands Irelease my spirit.
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Into your hands, why have youforsaken me?
unknown (16:09):
What?
SPEAKER_02 (16:10):
Which is lyrics to one of our favorite system of it
down songs called Chopsue.
SPEAKER_00 (16:15):
Oh, you know, that's probably why they took away like
15 books out of that Bible.
I mean, but I ain't trying toshit on no religion and any do
your things.
You do your things.
You know, do it healthy.
But that is don't kill otheranimals.
I don't care.
SPEAKER_02 (16:32):
I mean, that is one of my uh I mean that is one of
everybody who loves System ofDown.
That's one of everybody's songsis Chopsue.
SPEAKER_01 (16:37):
I love you forsaken me.
In your heart forsaken me.
Yeah.
In your eyes, forsaken me.
In your eyes, forsaken me.
Get it, girl.
Go lindsy.
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Holy shit.
Some projects.
SPEAKER_00 (17:03):
This is probably gonna sound like shit.
SPEAKER_02 (17:06):
We don't know.
We've been drinking all day.
SPEAKER_00 (17:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (17:08):
We've been working and drinking.
Yeah.
We've been home though.
Yeah.
Doing it responsibly.
SPEAKER_00 (17:12):
We do it responsibly.
Come on, man.
SPEAKER_02 (17:15):
And got a lot done.
I made a cheesecake andeverything.
SPEAKER_00 (17:18):
Clean the whole house.
SPEAKER_02 (17:19):
The house, the porch, outside the yard, getting
ready for Thanksgiving.
Strong side.
But, anyways, researching thiscase, it was very, very uh
eye-opening to me.
SPEAKER_00 (17:33):
How similar devil worship and Christianity.
It's just to me, uh I see it,but they're not animals.
SPEAKER_02 (17:42):
Come on, we we're better than that on any they
sacrifice the animals in theBible all the time.
SPEAKER_00 (17:47):
In any religion, don't kill fucking innocent
animals.
Fuck.
SPEAKER_02 (17:50):
No.
Fuck.
Unfortunately, in Karen Mars'murder, there were three cats,
trigger warning, that weresacrificed and their innards
were like spread everywhere.
It was terrible.
It's terrible, terrible,terrible to even think about.
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So that, you know, to the policewas ritualistic, satanic.
SPEAKER_00 (18:17):
You don't really fuck with me, Lindsay.
McMartin.
Where you're like, they'retalking about horses and shit.
SPEAKER_02 (18:23):
But that wasn't true.
That was all fabrication.
Yeah, that was all fabrication.
That was lies.
So if you want to know aboutthat, the Mike Martin preschool
trial.
Oh my god, what a story.
Go back.
That was like our secondepisode.
SPEAKER_00 (18:36):
That was our second episode.
I think that was our secondepisode.
It feels like it was a thousandyears ago.
SPEAKER_02 (18:40):
I know.
Second episode.
That is a wild story.
Wild during the satanic panicera.
That's just an era that needs tobe revisited often because it
was crazy.
And I mean, like, people my ageare traumatized by that era in
time.
In fear.
In fear all the time.
SPEAKER_00 (19:00):
We really did.
SPEAKER_02 (19:00):
And what's crazy is this wasn't even really a
satanic hole.
I mean, it was, but it wasn't.
Like, this was just people whoused Satan as a fear-mongering
tactic.
SPEAKER_00 (19:18):
I'm on my page for that.
SPEAKER_02 (19:19):
Well, I mean it's in the it's in the documentary.
You can watch it.
SPEAKER_00 (19:23):
And I talked about it in our podcast about it.
It was just like I felt fullyjust they were using that whole
narrative, and there was a wholeass full-grown man that was
pushing that shit on all theseyoung'uns for them to do
whatever the fuck.
SPEAKER_02 (19:37):
Well, it was like a pyramid.
It all stemmed from AndyMaltese, in my opinion, who
pushed it on to Robin Murphy.
He he started raping her at theage of 11.
He was a grown man.
I'm not sure his exact age, buthe was old.
And then in that I don't andthen him and Carl Drew were also
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associated.
I just believed it all stemmedfrom him.
I believe he was the top of thepyramid.
SPEAKER_00 (20:04):
Yeah.
And you'll use that to justifyit.
SPEAKER_02 (20:07):
And then Robin, she was young, but she wasn't that
innocent as she she wanted torule Bedford Street.
She uh she wanted, she used fearand manipulation on people in
that area, on sex workers, onwomen and men alike.
I mean, men feared her.
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Men were terrified of RobinMurphy.
And pretty much every sex workeron that street was terrified of
Carl Drew.
So these were three people thatwere kind of powerful in their
little powerful, uh, evil,violent, and they were greatly
feared.
And I think that's pretty muchthe whole reason why they had a
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following.
Yeah.
Whatsoever.
And they used the devil as afear-mongering tactic among
people that worked and lived onthat street.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:02):
Charismatic psychosis manifest
manifestation.
Manifestation.
SPEAKER_02 (21:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:07):
And they just used it to for whatever come up they
wanted.
You know, I didn't give a fuck.
SPEAKER_02 (21:12):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (21:12):
Yeah.
Little crazy ass shit going onthere.
SPEAKER_02 (21:15):
It's just an insane story.
Because you know what?
After all they, after all threeof them got locked up, there
wasn't a satanic Colt and FallRiver anymore.
SPEAKER_00 (21:22):
It was done.
It was done.
SPEAKER_02 (21:24):
Even all the other members, because there was like,
what did I say?
15 to 20.
No, f 20 to 25, something likethat.
Um they didn't, they didn't havemeetings anymore.
Even at Sonny Sparta's house,who did not get locked up.
She was like a madam, like amentor for sex workers because
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she had been one, and then shekind of retired out, and she was
basically like a safe haven forother girls, but at the same
time, she was supposedly a Satanworshiper too.
So, and I want to make clear ifyou you can listen to it in the
episode as well.
But the Church of Satan andSatanists are completely
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different from devilworshippers.
Satanists are believers inyourself.
They are, they don't believe inGod, they don't believe in the
devil, they don't believe in anyreligious entity whatsoever.
They are pretty much you arethey are the worship of
yourself.
(22:27):
It is all about you.
And I referenced Parks and Rec.
It's a treat yourselforganization, a hundred percent.
SPEAKER_00 (22:36):
I mean, I I get it.
SPEAKER_02 (22:37):
I'm just Well, I was saying, and and if you go back
to our very first number oneepisode, also about the
Corpsewood Manor, we talk aboutit as well.
They were of the Church ofSatan.
It's completely different fromthen devil worship.
Yeah.
Devil worshipers worship thedevil just as Christians worship
God.
Where Satanists are a mockery toreligion and they just they just
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love themselves.
They're selfish.
That's it.
SPEAKER_00 (23:05):
Yeah, but either way, don't do anything unhealthy
and use that in the world.
SPEAKER_02 (23:09):
Well, you do what you want to do, but just don't
kill people.
SPEAKER_00 (23:12):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (23:13):
When we're talking about like we'll drink to that.
SPEAKER_00 (23:15):
Yeah, like sex, sex magic and and things, you know.
We're this in and that anything,okay.
You can welcome whatever youwant in a healthy way.
If that makes sense.
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_02 (23:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (23:28):
Then that's the only thing that I can I can say.
Whatever religion, do ithealthy.
Don't involve the killing ofanything.
No.
Any animal.
Don't kill animals, don't killpeople.
We're not gonna do that.
Other than that, you know, doyour own.
SPEAKER_02 (23:41):
We don't subscribe to that here.
No, okay.
Do your thing.
We are completely open-minded.
You can do whatever you want aslong as it's legal.
Um, everybody consents.
SPEAKER_00 (23:53):
Consensual.
SPEAKER_02 (23:54):
Consensual.
Yeah.
And uh there is no animal orpeople sacrifice involved.
SPEAKER_00 (23:58):
Yeah.
That's it.
Don't give a fuck about the restof it.
Whatever.
Right.
Whatever.
SPEAKER_02 (24:02):
No murder of uh any species.
Period.
SPEAKER_00 (24:06):
Or people.
SPEAKER_02 (24:07):
Or well, species.
We're a species.
SPEAKER_00 (24:09):
Oh, the whole people species, the whole spectrum
species don't kill anythingever.
SPEAKER_02 (24:15):
Unless it's a roach, because fuck roaches.
SPEAKER_00 (24:17):
And or just be, you know, good people.
Just be good people.
Don't use it for any horrificoutcome anyway, if you're, you
know, whatever.
SPEAKER_02 (24:26):
You know, you know the tells.
You know the.
But like I said, fuck roaches.
Can we sacrifice them?
SPEAKER_00 (24:31):
Because they're aliens, Lindsay.
Don't you know that?
By now?
I mean, since Joe's apartmentand fucking And uh what was the
movie?
SPEAKER_02 (24:40):
Men in Black.
SPEAKER_00 (24:41):
Men in Black.
SPEAKER_02 (24:42):
Fuck.
It's my favorite ride atUniversal.
I love it so much.
SPEAKER_00 (24:46):
Since then.
Yeah, fuck a roaches.
SPEAKER_02 (24:48):
Fuck roach.
Since then, since we've lived inFlorida our whole life, fuck a
roach.
SPEAKER_00 (24:53):
Yeah.
We got the palmetto bugs here.
SPEAKER_02 (24:55):
Yeah, the palmetto bugs.
Like any any roach stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (24:59):
Florida rivals Australia.
SPEAKER_02 (25:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (25:01):
With all the things that will poke you, bite you,
sting you, stick you, bite uh uhinjecting venom, whatever the
fuck, sharks and fucking crazyshit that happens in the world.
Everywhere you're at, there'ssomething that'll fucking try to
kill you somewhere in Florida,the same as Australia.
SPEAKER_02 (25:17):
Well, it's gonna say it's funny because I'm terrified
of Australia, but I live inFlorida, which is really not
much better.
SPEAKER_00 (25:22):
Yeah, we're seasoned.
We can go straight to Aussie.
We're going we're going to theSouth, bro.
SPEAKER_02 (25:27):
If we go to Australia, we're I heard we're
from the South, see.
SPEAKER_00 (25:31):
There we go.
SPEAKER_02 (25:32):
Australians uh comment on this.
I heard it's not even worth itto go over there unless you
spend like two weeks because ofthe travel, because how hard the
travel is to get there.
Oh, it takes frickin' three daysto get there, right?
SPEAKER_01 (25:45):
Fuck.
SPEAKER_02 (25:47):
I don't know if my anxiety can deal with that.
Just put a tranquilizer in.
SPEAKER_00 (25:52):
You're a world traveler just to get there.
SPEAKER_02 (25:54):
And wake me up when we arrive, and some guy dressed
as fucking the crocodile hunteris like, hello.
SPEAKER_00 (26:02):
Well, it's our biggest hit from Australia.
Our biggest hit on our podcastis from Australia.
SPEAKER_02 (26:09):
Really?
Which one?
Jenny.
Haynes.
We love you, Jenny.
Oh my god, I cannot believe Iforgot it.
It's been a long day.
It's been a long day.
SPEAKER_00 (26:20):
You got me up on the mic now.
SPEAKER_02 (26:22):
Yeah, we have a few more cases uh to talk about from
Aussie.
Yeah, that's our biggest hit,though.
SPEAKER_00 (26:27):
So check that one out too.
SPEAKER_02 (26:29):
And uh I am uh very old school and very cheap, and I
still use Aussie hair products,so they're the best for curly
hair.
SPEAKER_00 (26:38):
That's the first one that I sent a package to, too,
because she really supported thepodcast.
SPEAKER_02 (26:42):
We're waiting for that documentary girl.
Like, we are we are ready.
SPEAKER_00 (26:46):
She did say ready.
She sent me a message and she'slike, you know, I'm working on a
documentary.
I want to want you to be part ofit.
I'm so ready for that.
Whatever part we can whatever.
SPEAKER_02 (26:57):
And the shout out that she gave you was just so
adorable.
She's like, Jesse got me, man.
He understood.
SPEAKER_00 (27:04):
And you know, that was our that's our biggest hit,
too, right now.
So check that out.
What was the early, earlyepisodes of Gen Z.
SPEAKER_02 (27:12):
It's about halfway through.
unknown (27:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:14):
So thank you so much for that.
I I think we need to go toAustralia and hang out.
We need to go, we need to gohang out, that's what we need to
do.
SPEAKER_02 (27:20):
But I do recommend watching the docuseries called
Fall River.
Um, yeah, so it's an epicsproduction, but it's on MGM Plus
that you can get through umPrime or Roku.
I got ours through Prime.
I did like the free trial.
SPEAKER_00 (27:36):
As far as Fall River, beautiful.
Go there.
SPEAKER_02 (27:39):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:40):
Go check it out.
Spend the night in Lizzie'sbedroom.
Just go do that.
Just get you whatever.
SPEAKER_02 (27:46):
And go have dinner at Fall River Grill and visit
our girl Natalia.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:52):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And tell her that we sent you.
SPEAKER_02 (27:56):
I had the garlic shrimp with their um Portuguese
rice, which is so good.
SPEAKER_00 (28:02):
I did some dirt while I was.
SPEAKER_02 (28:04):
What did you have?
I forgot.
SPEAKER_00 (28:05):
It was uh it was shrimp.
It was yeah, it was shrimp.
Oh, you had like a differentshrimp.
SPEAKER_02 (28:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (28:12):
It was garlic, everything though.
So much garlic.
So good.
SPEAKER_02 (28:16):
I probably ate like 40 cloves of garlic that night.
SPEAKER_00 (28:18):
But if you tell her that we sent you Natalia,
Lindsay and Chessie.
And I was like, hey, can youhook me up with a long island
iced tea to go?
She's like, no, I can't do that.
I can't do it.
And she hooked me up.
She did.
It was crazy.
Shh.
SPEAKER_02 (28:32):
We just went right across the street.
SPEAKER_00 (28:33):
Yeah, we walked, we were walking out.
SPEAKER_02 (28:36):
It was so good.
Yeah, everything was delicious.
SPEAKER_00 (28:39):
That's the hookup.
Holler if you hear me.
Hey, my shit melted over here,so I'm sloshy.
Look, completely melted.
SPEAKER_02 (28:49):
So make sure you listen to our Fall River Cult
episode.
SPEAKER_00 (28:52):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (28:53):
And then make sure you listen to our upcoming
episode on Friday, Black Friday,about Natalie Wood.
We just recorded that and Jesseis still in.
SPEAKER_00 (29:04):
I have been here and I'm still there.
unknown (29:08):
Oh.
SPEAKER_00 (29:09):
The silver stone.
SPEAKER_02 (29:10):
So make sure if you're if you're Black Friday
shopping or you're justdecorating for Christmas, you're
getting ready to transition likewe will be the next day.
On Saturday, we uh we transformfrom Halloween to Christmas.
So make sure you just plug usin, like, follow, subscribe,
give us a review, leave us somecomments.
(29:33):
Tell us if there's anything youwant to hear us talk about.
Tell, let me know, Lindsay, whatyou would like me to tell Jesse
because you know he's always theone that's unknowledgeable and
surprised on this.
SPEAKER_00 (29:47):
Todd said, you know, he he tagged me in a thing.
He's like, No, I want y'all tocover this podcast.
And I was like, No, you need tocome do it with us.
And he's like, No, I want y'allto cover this.
SPEAKER_02 (29:57):
What what is it?
SPEAKER_00 (29:57):
I'm gonna send it to you.
Okay, okay, I'm excited.
I'm excited.
SPEAKER_02 (30:00):
Because it may already be on my list.
And if it's not, I'm ready.
I'm down.
SPEAKER_00 (30:04):
Yeah, it's one of my old besties.
Like, I mean, way before GenZiville.
Like, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (30:10):
I mean, I I I uh Todd has the greatest afro that
I've ever seen.
I volunteered with him at theVA.
You didn't have to million yearsago.
SPEAKER_00 (30:18):
Yeah, but you don't go back that far, do you?
I was 12.
I was 12.
Genzy.
Yeah.
Why do you gotta keep beingbefore my BNs over here?
SPEAKER_02 (30:26):
He was really cool.
He was always really nice.
He showed because our VAT.
SPEAKER_00 (30:31):
He had to have been young.
He had to be about your sameage, right?
SPEAKER_02 (30:34):
You're older than me.
He's your age, right?
SPEAKER_00 (30:36):
You got me beat on my own bro.
Lindsay.
For real?
We're leg wrestling.
SPEAKER_02 (30:42):
Yeah, he had already volunteered there like a couple
of years.
SPEAKER_00 (30:44):
Yeah, no, I was uh 14, 15, probably.
SPEAKER_02 (30:48):
You got me beating on he's still with the VA, isn't
he?
SPEAKER_00 (30:51):
Yes, he's still with the VA.
What, Lindsay?
We're leg wrestling later, Iswear to God.
SPEAKER_02 (30:57):
Oh, yeah.
But yeah, Todd, he was supernice to me because I would get
lost in that place all the time.
But you know what was great wasuh my sheltered little ass who
did not have cable at home couldgo down to the lobby and watch
MTV.
SPEAKER_00 (31:11):
Todd went through some shit too around that time.
SPEAKER_02 (31:15):
Oh, yeah, you told me about that.
We ain't gotta talk about thatright now.
SPEAKER_00 (31:17):
Yeah, I mean, I mean he can get it.
SPEAKER_02 (31:19):
Because my stomach still needs some more chili.
I've had one bowl.
I need one more.
SPEAKER_00 (31:23):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (31:24):
And we're on 31 minutes.
SPEAKER_00 (31:25):
Oh, and we're gonna have a fire out back soon.
Yeah, we gotta we gotta go burnsome wood.
And my shit melted, so I'mgonna, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (31:30):
We gotta finish prepping for Thanksgiving.
But we love you.
SPEAKER_00 (31:33):
Check out the pod, you know, for real.
I mean, check out stuff, checkout the Natalie Wood episode.
Send us some stuff, and we'regonna send you some stuff if
you're uh the most amazing shareand like subscriber type
supporter.
Because we just sent somethingout.
SPEAKER_02 (31:47):
He fulfills his promises.
We have sent out merch.
Um, like I said, if you have, ifthis is if you're just hearing
the recap for the first time, goback and listen to the episode
that we're recapping.
Go back to all of our backlog.
Stay tuned on Friday for our newepisode.
We are taking just a one-weekbreak for Thanksgiving just
(32:08):
because I am so busy and I willnot have time to record or to
research an episode.
But we're gonna have a littlespecial, we're gonna have
something special for you guys.
SPEAKER_01 (32:16):
So I'm already okay.
SPEAKER_02 (32:19):
I'm ready.
Whatever.
Yeah, we're gonna recap NatalieWood, and then we're gonna have
a little bit of extra bonus funmaterial.
Yeah.
So do your thing.
Hope you had a greatThanksgiving, or hope you have a
great Thanksgiving.
All that.
And I hope you have a greatBlack Friday experience if
that's what you're gonna do.
(32:39):
We are gonna go see Wicked forGood.
SPEAKER_00 (32:43):
And find the best deals though on Black Friday.
Find the best deals, do themlike this.
Like the whole, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (32:50):
We have our spots that we're going to, and we're
ready.
We're ready to spend the money.
We got it, we got it, we got itput aside.
We're ready.
And then we're gonna have somesome food, and then we're gonna
watch Wicked for Good, and it'sjust gonna be a great day.
And I have an outfit.
I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna take apicture of it and put it in
stories.
SPEAKER_00 (33:08):
Can I coordinate with you?
SPEAKER_02 (33:09):
You can.
SPEAKER_00 (33:10):
You can coordinate with you, Lindsay.
Can I coordinate with you overhere?
Can I can I can I?
Can I?
SPEAKER_02 (33:15):
So make sure you follow us on Instagram to see
all of that.
Oh, yeah, drink about somethingon Instagram.
That's our handoff.
On the social webs?
Yes.
On the on the social webs.
Yes.
We love you so much, though.
Let's raise raise the toast toour fans and to our followers
and to our listeners.
To Bill Bradsky.
SPEAKER_00 (33:37):
Bill Bradsky.
We're gonna raise a toast toBill Bradsky.
SPEAKER_02 (33:42):
That is a Saturday Night Live reference.
We're old.
We love you so much.
SPEAKER_00 (33:45):
We'll see you guys then.
SPEAKER_02 (33:47):
Yes, we'll see you next week.
SPEAKER_00 (33:48):
CP Poos.
Boom.
CP Poos.
We'll see you guys then.
And uh Lindsay wants to say onelast thing to you.
Bye.
Hey Justin! Hey! What are you drinking this?
SPEAKER_00 (00:05):
Well, you know, I made this thing over here.
And it froze.
I mean there's a little bit ofuh bourbon coming out of the
bottom, but a lot of it frozebecause I put it in the freezer
because we were doing thingsearlier.
So it's see how it's not.
So I have to like kind of likeit.
SPEAKER_02 (00:25):
You gotta wait for it to fry to it.
You gotta wait for it toodefrost.
Hi, and welcome to Drunk AboutSomething, where we are raw,
uncut, and unedited.
And we're gonna recap ourprevious episode.
What are you drinking?
I got a pineapple Vista Bay.
What's this?
From Aldi.
SPEAKER_00 (00:45):
I got this too.
I can drink this because this isnot frozen.
And well, this is a Good Boys.
SPEAKER_02 (00:52):
Just is a very good boy.
SPEAKER_00 (00:53):
If you haven't seen the amazing theatrical skating
show, Good Boys on Ice.
Oh gosh.
This is what it is.
It's not Disney on Ice, no, butit's Good Boys on Ice.
SPEAKER_02 (01:07):
Good Boy on Ice.
Yeah.
Which is a like an iced tea andlemonade.
SPEAKER_00 (01:13):
It's not a show at all, but John Daly is a show
itself.
So his pants are a show.
I have that.
I'm gonna wait for this to meltsome and maybe.
SPEAKER_02 (01:21):
Yeah, put that over to the side.
You can have that a littlelater.
SPEAKER_00 (01:25):
Whatever don't freeze is straight alcohol.
It's drunk about something,right?
SPEAKER_02 (01:30):
Well, obviously it's not straight alcohol because it
froze.
SPEAKER_00 (01:33):
No, alcohol doesn't froze itself.
Whatever don't froze.
SPEAKER_02 (01:37):
It don't froze.
SPEAKER_00 (01:38):
Yeah, whatever don't froze is the the alcohol.
SPEAKER_02 (01:40):
It doesn't freeze.
SPEAKER_00 (01:41):
The liquid is still straight up alcohol.
SPEAKER_02 (01:43):
I'm looking at myself in the camera and like my
one of my eyes is wandering overhere.
I've had a little bit to drinktoday because we've been busting
our ass all afternoon.
SPEAKER_00 (01:52):
Oh, we've been kicking ass.
Getting ready for the oldThanksgiving festivities.
Festivities.
SPEAKER_02 (01:58):
And happy Thanksgiving, everybody.
I hope you enjoy your turkey,your ham, your duck, or your toe
firky.
SPEAKER_00 (02:05):
Toeferky.
SPEAKER_02 (02:06):
Toeferkey.
Whatever or your vegetables.
Whatever you enjoy fromThanksgiving.
We hope you enjoy it so much.
SPEAKER_00 (02:16):
Yeah.
What was uh something twerkyearlier?
What were we doing that wastwerky earlier that we were
talking about twerking somethingor other in the kitchen?
What the hell was it?
I done forgot.
unknown (02:27):
I did too.
SPEAKER_00 (02:27):
You did?
unknown (02:28):
I did.
SPEAKER_00 (02:29):
What was it?
unknown (02:30):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (02:31):
It was some kind of twerk, something or other.
SPEAKER_02 (02:33):
But we gotta talk about this so I can eat some
more chili.
Oh I got chili.
SPEAKER_00 (02:37):
That was some kind of chili.
I have one bowl and I want onemore.
If I remember it, I'll tell you.
SPEAKER_02 (02:40):
Yes.
So today we are recapping ourepisode on the satanic cult that
happened in Fall River,Massachusetts.
Fuck in the 80s.
That again?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:53):
Okay, that again.
SPEAKER_02 (02:55):
So if you haven't listened to the episode, go back
real quick, episode 57, FallRiver Cult, and uh listen to
that.
And so you can come back andknow what we're talking about.
But Jesse, I want to hear yourthoughts.
SPEAKER_00 (03:10):
So we went to Fall River.
We did.
Did not know that some shit wentdown that we had talked about
before Satanic Panic, hashtag,whatever you want to call it.
Holy shit.
SPEAKER_02 (03:23):
Well, we while we were in Fall River, we stayed at
the Lizzie Borden bed andbreakfast, and that is where
Lizzie Borden's parents, well,her father and stepmother were
uh axe murdered.
Whatever they were hatcheted todeath.
SPEAKER_00 (03:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (03:42):
And uh we covered the story about that.
SPEAKER_00 (03:46):
In her bedroom, Lizzie's bedroom.
SPEAKER_02 (03:48):
And we stayed in Lizzie's bedroom.
It was very comfortable.
I liked it.
SPEAKER_00 (03:51):
I liked the bed.
That's nice.
Uh no weird vibes, but you know,still shit happened.
Shit happened.
SPEAKER_02 (03:58):
Shit did happen there.
And a lot more shit happened inthis town.
And uh that included a sataniccult.
Yeah.
Kind of.
Um that what consisted of sexworkers and pimps.
And uh the man pimp.
SPEAKER_00 (04:14):
Young, young, young, so did we say young?
You said young, I said young.
Children.
And we both said young.
They were 17-ish.
SPEAKER_02 (04:25):
17, between, okay, we'll say between 17 and 26.
And then the oldest was a nasty,dirty old man uh named Andy
Maltisse, who okay, so we've gotfirst off, we've got Carl Drew.
Yeah.
Um, he had come to Fall Riverafter leaving home at 14 because
(04:50):
of abusive situations, and hegot involved in some crime,
which a lot of children do fallinto that.
Um after their horrificchildhood and upbringing, a lot
of them do fall into crime.
Not ever not all of them.
Some of them come out on thebetter side, some of them fall
(05:13):
into what Carl Drew fell into,which was a life of crime, and
then he ended up becoming themain pimp on Bedford Street in
Fall River.
SPEAKER_00 (05:28):
You know, I I feel like you know they had stripped
away some industry, you know,some financial problems.
People were kind of hit, youknow.
SPEAKER_02 (05:36):
It had previously been the number one spot for
textile industry.
And then, you know, recessioncame and things just went
downhill.
SPEAKER_00 (05:47):
And then so pretty much what you had was pimps and
sex workers and wasn't like thenumber two spot in
Massachusetts, too, like thenumber two area in Massachusetts
at one time, not long beforethat.
So it it has a quick it had aquick rise and then boom, it
dropped, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (06:06):
But uh at we can attest to it is beautiful and a
great place to visit.
Oh, it's please go.
SPEAKER_00 (06:11):
Go please go and we will tell you, hit us up because
we will tell you all the coolsecrets and the places to go
because Fall River is beautiful.
Go to it.
SPEAKER_02 (06:20):
So we got Carl Drew who comes to this town as pretty
much a runaway.
He falls into a life of crimeand then becomes a pimp on
Bedford Street in Fall River.
He's pretty much the kingpin ofthat area.
And um he has some competitionwith a young lady who was only,
(06:44):
and I'll I say it insufferably,she was only 17 years old, named
Ra Robin Murphy.
Robin Murphy had been kind oflike a problem, a problem child,
um, and fell into this uh lineof work because of a dirty old
(07:07):
man named Andrew Maltese.
Or was it Andrew or Andre?
Anyway, Andy Maltese uh waspretty much the cause of her
everything that she did.
SPEAKER_00 (07:18):
A lot of a lot of fucked up stuff, and there was
like a whole society that wasjust pushing all these kids out
into something they weren't theyweren't ready for.
You know, they were just tryingto come up, they were just
trying to find a way to makesome money.
SPEAKER_02 (07:34):
Right.
Well, you had Carl Drew withStreet Smart because he had left
home and learned how to survive.
Then Robin Murphy, pretty muchthe same thing.
She didn't really like herstepfather, she didn't get along
with her mother.
So she met Andy Maltese, who wasa dirty, nasty old man who
groomed her, raped her, gave herdrugs, and introduced her into
(07:59):
devil worship.
SPEAKER_00 (08:00):
Boom.
SPEAKER_02 (08:01):
And then uh allegedly, Carl Drew.
SPEAKER_00 (08:06):
You gotta do that with these things.
SPEAKER_02 (08:08):
Allegedly, Carl Drew was also into Satan worship, and
then Robin got into it, andquite a few sex workers were
also a part of this cult thatwas happening in Fall River.
Now, there were three murders.
So you had Doreen Levesque,Barbara Wap Raposa, and then
(08:35):
Karen Marzin.
Now, Doreen Levesque had beentied to Carl Drew as basically
one of his, excuse me, not oneof his employees, but as a sex
worker who was pimpless.
SPEAKER_00 (08:53):
They were entrepreneurs, they they wanted
to do their own thing.
SPEAKER_02 (08:56):
And she did not want to be tied down to a pimp.
And allegedly.
SPEAKER_00 (09:02):
Well, they were trying to find her car, right?
There was like, wasn't that?
SPEAKER_02 (09:06):
That was that was another one.
That was cookie.
SPEAKER_00 (09:08):
Oh, that was cookie with the car thing.
But no, she was she was doingher own thing at 17, like roll
rolling her shit, and it waslike, I don't need anybody to
rule me.
I'm gonna I'm gonna get my ownjob.
SPEAKER_02 (09:20):
Well, that was Robin.
SPEAKER_00 (09:21):
That was Robin.
SPEAKER_02 (09:22):
But um, but Doreen Levesque turned up dead.
She had been stoned to death,stoned to death and assaulted.
And um pretty much Karen Marsdencame forward and said, Carl Drew
did it.
And then Barbara Raposa turnedup dead, and Andy Maltese came
(09:51):
to the police and was like, youknow, because at first he was
like, I'm a Satanist.
Then he came to the police andwas like, I'm not affiliated
with the Satanic.
Yeah, I'm getting there.
Yeah, you're getting there.
Huh.
So he came to the police andsaid, you know what, I was uh in
(10:12):
the satanic cult, but now I havefound Jesus, and I have had this
uh psychic dream.
SPEAKER_01 (10:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (10:23):
And I seen somebody, you know, basically stone
Barbara to death.
No, it wasn't a stone, it was acinder block.
SPEAKER_00 (10:32):
And that's exactly what fucking killed her.
SPEAKER_02 (10:34):
And a cinder block was the murder weapon, but it
hadn't been released to thepublic.
SPEAKER_00 (10:40):
I'm sipping on that one.
SPEAKER_02 (10:42):
So the police were like, oh, did you just confess
to murder?
That's what they considered it.
Under the guise of a psychicdream.
Yeah.
So he gets arrested.
And then um there were rumorsthat Robin was involved.
(11:02):
And then Karen Marsden, she saidthat it was Carl Drew who had
killed Doreen Levesque and saidthat if she turned up dead, it
was Carl Drew.
And she had sought asylum to achurch, and an officer drove her
there, and that was the last shewas seen.
(11:24):
So Barbara Raposa was the nextto be found murdered.
And then so Andy Maltese wasarrested on her murder.
Doreen Levesque, um, Carl Drewwas arrested for that one, and
(11:46):
then Karen Marsden, who said ifshe turned up dead, it was Carl
Drew.
She turned up dead.
But then Robin Murphy cameforward and was like, I have
some information on BarbaraRaposa and Doreen Levesque, but
then it was later um found outthat she had a part in Karen
(12:12):
Marsden's murder.
So she was like, she made adeal, and she's like, okay,
okay, yeah, I was there and Ihad a hand in it.
SPEAKER_00 (12:20):
But she was in the car with him, right?
SPEAKER_02 (12:22):
She was in the car, and that Carl Drew had made her
do certain things to KarenMarsden.
So she was like, but I haveinformation on these other two
murders, so can we make a deal?
So Carl Drew gets a lifesentence for Doreen Levesque.
(12:50):
And uh and Karen Marsden, Ibelieve.
And then, of course, AndyMaltese, who you know saw
Barbara's murder in a dream, hegets a life sentence for
Barbara.
And then Robin, she gets timefor pretty much being a part of
everything, but she gets put upfor parole later on.
(13:14):
But Andy Maltese, he died inprison like uh just a few years
later.
And then uh Carl Drew, he'sstill in prison.
Excuse me, burps.
SPEAKER_00 (13:26):
You know what's crazy, Lindsay?
You're pulling all this off thedome.
It's like we talked about it,but like you're really nailing
it, like so is it's like that.
SPEAKER_02 (13:41):
I'm amazed over here just well, what's crazy is this
cult, yeah, um, they were in thesummertime, they would go out
into the forest and they wouldsacrifice animals.
And what what is really crazy tome, but a lot of the people that
have covered this and even inthe documentary, they compare a
(14:04):
lot of the things that theseSatanists or devil worshipers
did, how close it was to a lotof Christianity.
So in the summertime, they wouldgo out into the forest and they
would sacrifice animals.
And then in the in the coldermonths of the year, they would
go to a woman's apartment whowas intimately involved with
(14:28):
Robin Murphy.
Her name was Sonny Sparta, andshe had a huge uh painting of
Satan in her house, and theywould use that as an altar that
they would pray to and theywould chant and uh speak in
other tongues, which issomething that I don't know if
(14:49):
you grew up with that, but I didin the Christian community with
Pentecostals and not.
SPEAKER_00 (14:55):
We're not fucking sacrificing animals, and I'm not
saying that I'm a animalsacrifices was in the Bible.
It was a lot.
So maybe they should bring thatshit back to churches.
Just pull in a fucking goat anddo that shit, be like, we're
going old school today, in thename of Jesus.
If I can pull out a goat andkill the shit out of it, and I
mean the blood of the lamb,right?
SPEAKER_02 (15:17):
Well, what's crazy is all three of these murders
were done by stoning, which ismentioned a lot in the Bible.
SPEAKER_00 (15:26):
I mean, there are several, several religious educ
executions that were done bystoning.
Wow.
SPEAKER_02 (15:36):
So here is a little thing.
So um it was a Christian namedStephen who was stoned in the
New Testament.
And supposedly, allegedly, whenhe was dying, he cried out,
Father, into your hands Irelease my spirit.
(16:03):
Into your hands, why have youforsaken me?
unknown (16:09):
What?
SPEAKER_02 (16:10):
Which is lyrics to one of our favorite system of it
down songs called Chopsue.
SPEAKER_00 (16:15):
Oh, you know, that's probably why they took away like
15 books out of that Bible.
I mean, but I ain't trying toshit on no religion and any do
your things.
You do your things.
You know, do it healthy.
But that is don't kill otheranimals.
I don't care.
SPEAKER_02 (16:32):
I mean, that is one of my uh I mean that is one of
everybody who loves System ofDown.
That's one of everybody's songsis Chopsue.
SPEAKER_01 (16:37):
I love you forsaken me.
In your heart forsaken me.
Yeah.
In your eyes, forsaken me.
In your eyes, forsaken me.
Get it, girl.
Go lindsy.
(16:59):
Holy shit.
Some projects.
SPEAKER_00 (17:03):
This is probably gonna sound like shit.
SPEAKER_02 (17:06):
We don't know.
We've been drinking all day.
SPEAKER_00 (17:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (17:08):
We've been working and drinking.
Yeah.
We've been home though.
Yeah.
Doing it responsibly.
SPEAKER_00 (17:12):
We do it responsibly.
Come on, man.
SPEAKER_02 (17:15):
And got a lot done.
I made a cheesecake andeverything.
SPEAKER_00 (17:18):
Clean the whole house.
SPEAKER_02 (17:19):
The house, the porch, outside the yard, getting
ready for Thanksgiving.
Strong side.
But, anyways, researching thiscase, it was very, very uh
eye-opening to me.
SPEAKER_00 (17:33):
How similar devil worship and Christianity.
It's just to me, uh I see it,but they're not animals.
SPEAKER_02 (17:42):
Come on, we we're better than that on any they
sacrifice the animals in theBible all the time.
SPEAKER_00 (17:47):
In any religion, don't kill fucking innocent
animals.
Fuck.
SPEAKER_02 (17:50):
No.
Fuck.
Unfortunately, in Karen Mars'murder, there were three cats,
trigger warning, that weresacrificed and their innards
were like spread everywhere.
It was terrible.
It's terrible, terrible,terrible to even think about.
(18:12):
So that, you know, to the policewas ritualistic, satanic.
SPEAKER_00 (18:17):
You don't really fuck with me, Lindsay.
McMartin.
Where you're like, they'retalking about horses and shit.
SPEAKER_02 (18:23):
But that wasn't true.
That was all fabrication.
Yeah, that was all fabrication.
That was lies.
So if you want to know aboutthat, the Mike Martin preschool
trial.
Oh my god, what a story.
Go back.
That was like our secondepisode.
SPEAKER_00 (18:36):
That was our second episode.
I think that was our secondepisode.
It feels like it was a thousandyears ago.
SPEAKER_02 (18:40):
I know.
Second episode.
That is a wild story.
Wild during the satanic panicera.
That's just an era that needs tobe revisited often because it
was crazy.
And I mean, like, people my ageare traumatized by that era in
time.
In fear.
In fear all the time.
SPEAKER_00 (19:00):
We really did.
SPEAKER_02 (19:00):
And what's crazy is this wasn't even really a
satanic hole.
I mean, it was, but it wasn't.
Like, this was just people whoused Satan as a fear-mongering
tactic.
SPEAKER_00 (19:18):
I'm on my page for that.
SPEAKER_02 (19:19):
Well, I mean it's in the it's in the documentary.
You can watch it.
SPEAKER_00 (19:23):
And I talked about it in our podcast about it.
It was just like I felt fullyjust they were using that whole
narrative, and there was a wholeass full-grown man that was
pushing that shit on all theseyoung'uns for them to do
whatever the fuck.
SPEAKER_02 (19:37):
Well, it was like a pyramid.
It all stemmed from AndyMaltese, in my opinion, who
pushed it on to Robin Murphy.
He he started raping her at theage of 11.
He was a grown man.
I'm not sure his exact age, buthe was old.
And then in that I don't andthen him and Carl Drew were also
(19:58):
associated.
I just believed it all stemmedfrom him.
I believe he was the top of thepyramid.
SPEAKER_00 (20:04):
Yeah.
And you'll use that to justifyit.
SPEAKER_02 (20:07):
And then Robin, she was young, but she wasn't that
innocent as she she wanted torule Bedford Street.
She uh she wanted, she used fearand manipulation on people in
that area, on sex workers, onwomen and men alike.
I mean, men feared her.
(20:29):
Men were terrified of RobinMurphy.
And pretty much every sex workeron that street was terrified of
Carl Drew.
So these were three people thatwere kind of powerful in their
little powerful, uh, evil,violent, and they were greatly
feared.
And I think that's pretty muchthe whole reason why they had a
(20:51):
following.
Yeah.
Whatsoever.
And they used the devil as afear-mongering tactic among
people that worked and lived onthat street.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:02):
Charismatic psychosis manifest
manifestation.
Manifestation.
SPEAKER_02 (21:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:07):
And they just used it to for whatever come up they
wanted.
You know, I didn't give a fuck.
SPEAKER_02 (21:12):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (21:12):
Yeah.
Little crazy ass shit going onthere.
SPEAKER_02 (21:15):
It's just an insane story.
Because you know what?
After all they, after all threeof them got locked up, there
wasn't a satanic Colt and FallRiver anymore.
SPEAKER_00 (21:22):
It was done.
It was done.
SPEAKER_02 (21:24):
Even all the other members, because there was like,
what did I say?
15 to 20.
No, f 20 to 25, something likethat.
Um they didn't, they didn't havemeetings anymore.
Even at Sonny Sparta's house,who did not get locked up.
She was like a madam, like amentor for sex workers because
(21:44):
she had been one, and then shekind of retired out, and she was
basically like a safe haven forother girls, but at the same
time, she was supposedly a Satanworshiper too.
So, and I want to make clear ifyou you can listen to it in the
episode as well.
But the Church of Satan andSatanists are completely
(22:07):
different from devilworshippers.
Satanists are believers inyourself.
They are, they don't believe inGod, they don't believe in the
devil, they don't believe in anyreligious entity whatsoever.
They are pretty much you arethey are the worship of
yourself.
(22:27):
It is all about you.
And I referenced Parks and Rec.
It's a treat yourselforganization, a hundred percent.
SPEAKER_00 (22:36):
I mean, I I get it.
SPEAKER_02 (22:37):
I'm just Well, I was saying, and and if you go back
to our very first number oneepisode, also about the
Corpsewood Manor, we talk aboutit as well.
They were of the Church ofSatan.
It's completely different fromthen devil worship.
Yeah.
Devil worshipers worship thedevil just as Christians worship
God.
Where Satanists are a mockery toreligion and they just they just
(23:03):
love themselves.
They're selfish.
That's it.
SPEAKER_00 (23:05):
Yeah, but either way, don't do anything unhealthy
and use that in the world.
SPEAKER_02 (23:09):
Well, you do what you want to do, but just don't
kill people.
SPEAKER_00 (23:12):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (23:13):
When we're talking about like we'll drink to that.
SPEAKER_00 (23:15):
Yeah, like sex, sex magic and and things, you know.
We're this in and that anything,okay.
You can welcome whatever youwant in a healthy way.
If that makes sense.
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_02 (23:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (23:28):
Then that's the only thing that I can I can say.
Whatever religion, do ithealthy.
Don't involve the killing ofanything.
No.
Any animal.
Don't kill animals, don't killpeople.
We're not gonna do that.
Other than that, you know, doyour own.
SPEAKER_02 (23:41):
We don't subscribe to that here.
No, okay.
Do your thing.
We are completely open-minded.
You can do whatever you want aslong as it's legal.
Um, everybody consents.
SPEAKER_00 (23:53):
Consensual.
SPEAKER_02 (23:54):
Consensual.
Yeah.
And uh there is no animal orpeople sacrifice involved.
SPEAKER_00 (23:58):
Yeah.
That's it.
Don't give a fuck about the restof it.
Whatever.
Right.
Whatever.
SPEAKER_02 (24:02):
No murder of uh any species.
Period.
SPEAKER_00 (24:06):
Or people.
SPEAKER_02 (24:07):
Or well, species.
We're a species.
SPEAKER_00 (24:09):
Oh, the whole people species, the whole spectrum
species don't kill anythingever.
SPEAKER_02 (24:15):
Unless it's a roach, because fuck roaches.
SPEAKER_00 (24:17):
And or just be, you know, good people.
Just be good people.
Don't use it for any horrificoutcome anyway, if you're, you
know, whatever.
SPEAKER_02 (24:26):
You know, you know the tells.
You know the.
But like I said, fuck roaches.
Can we sacrifice them?
SPEAKER_00 (24:31):
Because they're aliens, Lindsay.
Don't you know that?
By now?
I mean, since Joe's apartmentand fucking And uh what was the
movie?
SPEAKER_02 (24:40):
Men in Black.
SPEAKER_00 (24:41):
Men in Black.
SPEAKER_02 (24:42):
Fuck.
It's my favorite ride atUniversal.
I love it so much.
SPEAKER_00 (24:46):
Since then.
Yeah, fuck a roaches.
SPEAKER_02 (24:48):
Fuck roach.
Since then, since we've lived inFlorida our whole life, fuck a
roach.
SPEAKER_00 (24:53):
Yeah.
We got the palmetto bugs here.
SPEAKER_02 (24:55):
Yeah, the palmetto bugs.
Like any any roach stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (24:59):
Florida rivals Australia.
SPEAKER_02 (25:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (25:01):
With all the things that will poke you, bite you,
sting you, stick you, bite uh uhinjecting venom, whatever the
fuck, sharks and fucking crazyshit that happens in the world.
Everywhere you're at, there'ssomething that'll fucking try to
kill you somewhere in Florida,the same as Australia.
SPEAKER_02 (25:17):
Well, it's gonna say it's funny because I'm terrified
of Australia, but I live inFlorida, which is really not
much better.
SPEAKER_00 (25:22):
Yeah, we're seasoned.
We can go straight to Aussie.
We're going we're going to theSouth, bro.
SPEAKER_02 (25:27):
If we go to Australia, we're I heard we're
from the South, see.
SPEAKER_00 (25:31):
There we go.
SPEAKER_02 (25:32):
Australians uh comment on this.
I heard it's not even worth itto go over there unless you
spend like two weeks because ofthe travel, because how hard the
travel is to get there.
Oh, it takes frickin' three daysto get there, right?
SPEAKER_01 (25:45):
Fuck.
SPEAKER_02 (25:47):
I don't know if my anxiety can deal with that.
Just put a tranquilizer in.
SPEAKER_00 (25:52):
You're a world traveler just to get there.
SPEAKER_02 (25:54):
And wake me up when we arrive, and some guy dressed
as fucking the crocodile hunteris like, hello.
SPEAKER_00 (26:02):
Well, it's our biggest hit from Australia.
Our biggest hit on our podcastis from Australia.
SPEAKER_02 (26:09):
Really?
Which one?
Jenny.
Haynes.
We love you, Jenny.
Oh my god, I cannot believe Iforgot it.
It's been a long day.
It's been a long day.
SPEAKER_00 (26:20):
You got me up on the mic now.
SPEAKER_02 (26:22):
Yeah, we have a few more cases uh to talk about from
Aussie.
Yeah, that's our biggest hit,though.
SPEAKER_00 (26:27):
So check that one out too.
SPEAKER_02 (26:29):
And uh I am uh very old school and very cheap, and I
still use Aussie hair products,so they're the best for curly
hair.
SPEAKER_00 (26:38):
That's the first one that I sent a package to, too,
because she really supported thepodcast.
SPEAKER_02 (26:42):
We're waiting for that documentary girl.
Like, we are we are ready.
SPEAKER_00 (26:46):
She did say ready.
She sent me a message and she'slike, you know, I'm working on a
documentary.
I want to want you to be part ofit.
I'm so ready for that.
Whatever part we can whatever.
SPEAKER_02 (26:57):
And the shout out that she gave you was just so
adorable.
She's like, Jesse got me, man.
He understood.
SPEAKER_00 (27:04):
And you know, that was our that's our biggest hit,
too, right now.
So check that out.
What was the early, earlyepisodes of Gen Z.
SPEAKER_02 (27:12):
It's about halfway through.
unknown (27:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:14):
So thank you so much for that.
I I think we need to go toAustralia and hang out.
We need to go, we need to gohang out, that's what we need to
do.
SPEAKER_02 (27:20):
But I do recommend watching the docuseries called
Fall River.
Um, yeah, so it's an epicsproduction, but it's on MGM Plus
that you can get through umPrime or Roku.
I got ours through Prime.
I did like the free trial.
SPEAKER_00 (27:36):
As far as Fall River, beautiful.
Go there.
SPEAKER_02 (27:39):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:40):
Go check it out.
Spend the night in Lizzie'sbedroom.
Just go do that.
Just get you whatever.
SPEAKER_02 (27:46):
And go have dinner at Fall River Grill and visit
our girl Natalia.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:52):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And tell her that we sent you.
SPEAKER_02 (27:56):
I had the garlic shrimp with their um Portuguese
rice, which is so good.
SPEAKER_00 (28:02):
I did some dirt while I was.
SPEAKER_02 (28:04):
What did you have?
I forgot.
SPEAKER_00 (28:05):
It was uh it was shrimp.
It was yeah, it was shrimp.
Oh, you had like a differentshrimp.
SPEAKER_02 (28:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (28:12):
It was garlic, everything though.
So much garlic.
So good.
SPEAKER_02 (28:16):
I probably ate like 40 cloves of garlic that night.
SPEAKER_00 (28:18):
But if you tell her that we sent you Natalia,
Lindsay and Chessie.
And I was like, hey, can youhook me up with a long island
iced tea to go?
She's like, no, I can't do that.
I can't do it.
And she hooked me up.
She did.
It was crazy.
Shh.
SPEAKER_02 (28:32):
We just went right across the street.
SPEAKER_00 (28:33):
Yeah, we walked, we were walking out.
SPEAKER_02 (28:36):
It was so good.
Yeah, everything was delicious.
SPEAKER_00 (28:39):
That's the hookup.
Holler if you hear me.
Hey, my shit melted over here,so I'm sloshy.
Look, completely melted.
SPEAKER_02 (28:49):
So make sure you listen to our Fall River Cult
episode.
SPEAKER_00 (28:52):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (28:53):
And then make sure you listen to our upcoming
episode on Friday, Black Friday,about Natalie Wood.
We just recorded that and Jesseis still in.
SPEAKER_00 (29:04):
I have been here and I'm still there.
unknown (29:08):
Oh.
SPEAKER_00 (29:09):
The silver stone.
SPEAKER_02 (29:10):
So make sure if you're if you're Black Friday
shopping or you're justdecorating for Christmas, you're
getting ready to transition likewe will be the next day.
On Saturday, we uh we transformfrom Halloween to Christmas.
So make sure you just plug usin, like, follow, subscribe,
give us a review, leave us somecomments.
(29:33):
Tell us if there's anything youwant to hear us talk about.
Tell, let me know, Lindsay, whatyou would like me to tell Jesse
because you know he's always theone that's unknowledgeable and
surprised on this.
SPEAKER_00 (29:47):
Todd said, you know, he he tagged me in a thing.
He's like, No, I want y'all tocover this podcast.
And I was like, No, you need tocome do it with us.
And he's like, No, I want y'allto cover this.
SPEAKER_02 (29:57):
What what is it?
SPEAKER_00 (29:57):
I'm gonna send it to you.
Okay, okay, I'm excited.
I'm excited.
SPEAKER_02 (30:00):
Because it may already be on my list.
And if it's not, I'm ready.
I'm down.
SPEAKER_00 (30:04):
Yeah, it's one of my old besties.
Like, I mean, way before GenZiville.
Like, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (30:10):
I mean, I I I uh Todd has the greatest afro that
I've ever seen.
I volunteered with him at theVA.
You didn't have to million yearsago.
SPEAKER_00 (30:18):
Yeah, but you don't go back that far, do you?
I was 12.
I was 12.
Genzy.
Yeah.
Why do you gotta keep beingbefore my BNs over here?
SPEAKER_02 (30:26):
He was really cool.
He was always really nice.
He showed because our VAT.
SPEAKER_00 (30:31):
He had to have been young.
He had to be about your sameage, right?
SPEAKER_02 (30:34):
You're older than me.
He's your age, right?
SPEAKER_00 (30:36):
You got me beat on my own bro.
Lindsay.
For real?
We're leg wrestling.
SPEAKER_02 (30:42):
Yeah, he had already volunteered there like a couple
of years.
SPEAKER_00 (30:44):
Yeah, no, I was uh 14, 15, probably.
SPEAKER_02 (30:48):
You got me beating on he's still with the VA, isn't
he?
SPEAKER_00 (30:51):
Yes, he's still with the VA.
What, Lindsay?
We're leg wrestling later, Iswear to God.
SPEAKER_02 (30:57):
Oh, yeah.
But yeah, Todd, he was supernice to me because I would get
lost in that place all the time.
But you know what was great wasuh my sheltered little ass who
did not have cable at home couldgo down to the lobby and watch
MTV.
SPEAKER_00 (31:11):
Todd went through some shit too around that time.
SPEAKER_02 (31:15):
Oh, yeah, you told me about that.
We ain't gotta talk about thatright now.
SPEAKER_00 (31:17):
Yeah, I mean, I mean he can get it.
SPEAKER_02 (31:19):
Because my stomach still needs some more chili.
I've had one bowl.
I need one more.
SPEAKER_00 (31:23):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (31:24):
And we're on 31 minutes.
SPEAKER_00 (31:25):
Oh, and we're gonna have a fire out back soon.
Yeah, we gotta we gotta go burnsome wood.
And my shit melted, so I'mgonna, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (31:30):
We gotta finish prepping for Thanksgiving.
But we love you.
SPEAKER_00 (31:33):
Check out the pod, you know, for real.
I mean, check out stuff, checkout the Natalie Wood episode.
Send us some stuff, and we'regonna send you some stuff if
you're uh the most amazing shareand like subscriber type
supporter.
Because we just sent somethingout.
SPEAKER_02 (31:47):
He fulfills his promises.
We have sent out merch.
Um, like I said, if you have, ifthis is if you're just hearing
the recap for the first time, goback and listen to the episode
that we're recapping.
Go back to all of our backlog.
Stay tuned on Friday for our newepisode.
We are taking just a one-weekbreak for Thanksgiving just
(32:08):
because I am so busy and I willnot have time to record or to
research an episode.
But we're gonna have a littlespecial, we're gonna have
something special for you guys.
SPEAKER_01 (32:16):
So I'm already okay.
SPEAKER_02 (32:19):
I'm ready.
Whatever.
Yeah, we're gonna recap NatalieWood, and then we're gonna have
a little bit of extra bonus funmaterial.
Yeah.
So do your thing.
Hope you had a greatThanksgiving, or hope you have a
great Thanksgiving.
All that.
And I hope you have a greatBlack Friday experience if
that's what you're gonna do.
(32:39):
We are gonna go see Wicked forGood.
SPEAKER_00 (32:43):
And find the best deals though on Black Friday.
Find the best deals, do themlike this.
Like the whole, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (32:50):
We have our spots that we're going to, and we're
ready.
We're ready to spend the money.
We got it, we got it, we got itput aside.
We're ready.
And then we're gonna have somesome food, and then we're gonna
watch Wicked for Good, and it'sjust gonna be a great day.
And I have an outfit.
I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna take apicture of it and put it in
stories.
SPEAKER_00 (33:08):
Can I coordinate with you?
SPEAKER_02 (33:09):
You can.
SPEAKER_00 (33:10):
You can coordinate with you, Lindsay.
Can I coordinate with you overhere?
Can I can I can I?
Can I?
SPEAKER_02 (33:15):
So make sure you follow us on Instagram to see
all of that.
Oh, yeah, drink about somethingon Instagram.
That's our handoff.
On the social webs?
Yes.
On the on the social webs.
Yes.
We love you so much, though.
Let's raise raise the toast toour fans and to our followers
and to our listeners.
To Bill Bradsky.
SPEAKER_00 (33:37):
Bill Bradsky.
We're gonna raise a toast toBill Bradsky.
SPEAKER_02 (33:42):
That is a Saturday Night Live reference.
We're old.
We love you so much.
SPEAKER_00 (33:45):
We'll see you guys then.
SPEAKER_02 (33:47):
Yes, we'll see you next week.
SPEAKER_00 (33:48):
CP Poos.
Boom.
CP Poos.
We'll see you guys then.
And uh Lindsay wants to say onelast thing to you.
Bye.
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