September 17, 2025 • 34 mins
Set in the tight-knit community of Bill City, Michigan, this harrowing story begins when 13-year-old Lauren and her boyfriend Owen start getting increasingly hostile, sexually explicit, and psychologically damaging messages from a mysterious sender. What starts as insinuations about infidelity quickly escalates into a full-blown psychological assault, with the unknown caller telling Lauren she's worthless, flat-chested, and should kill herself—sometimes sending dozens of messages per day.
The moment the FBI traces the messages back to their source delivers one of the most shocking revelations in recent documentary history. Lauren's own mother, Kendra Licari, had been sending these vicious messages while simultaneously comforting her daughter at home. The body cam footage capturing Lauren learning this truth is absolutely heartbreaking—a teenager faced with the ultimate betrayal from the person who should have been her fiercest protector.
But Kendra's deception went even deeper. Her husband Sean discovers she'd been lying about going to work for over a year, putting the family in financial ruin while she dedicated herself full-time to anonymously tormenting her daughter.
The documentary raises profound questions about maternal relationships, mental health, and digital safety. How does someone compartmentalize such radically different personas? What drives a mother to systematically destroy her child's self-esteem? And how does a young person recover from such a fundamental breach of trust?
Have you ever wondered if you truly know the people closest to you? This documentary will make you question everything about trust, family bonds, and the masks we sometimes wear. Share your thoughts after watching—I'd love to hear your perspective on this unbelievable true story.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey Jesse, hello Lindsay.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
What you got going on here.
You're a little crooked.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
No, I want it to be crooked.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
No, can I straighten it?
This is one of our grandbabieshats from Halloween.
Last year we pulled it all out.
They were witch kittens, Okaywell.
So we pulled out all ourHalloween.
I look snazzy.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yep Snazzy.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Okay, I'll take it.
Hang on, let me get my.
I liked it.
No, but you know I wanted toget my shit right.
Let me get my shit right,lindsay.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Okay, but I had to play what are you drinking today
or right now?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
right now, yeah at this moment it's the raspberry
still on a raspberry parade On.
Raspberry Parade at Vista Bay.
Well, I've got.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I'm still continuing with my little, okay.
So we recorded a little bittoday.
So I have a in this sparkly cupwith an umbrella on top I have
vodka, blue ice vodka,watermelon.
It's like an Aldi version of anAlati Alani, not Alati.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
A lot of Alani.
We're drunk about something raw.
Here we are.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Raw, uncut and unedited.
So I've got vodka, I've gotwatermelon energy drink, I've
got sparkling water and that'sit yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, I had Alani and I'm almost done with this
because we just recorded partone of David Parker Ray you
destroyed me, so I'm out ofAlani because I was destroyed
and there's two parts to thatone.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, the second part will be out next Friday.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I'm starting to get slurry.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
This Friday yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
This is my slurry phase.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
All right, so today, since we are in the middle of a
two-part series, we're going torecap something else.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, there's so much content that she needs to throw
at me.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
So I was scrolling on TikTok and I kept seeing people
posting their reactions to thisdocumentary called Unknown
Caller and through the internetand through TikTok, I already
knew the outcome, but I was likeI got to watch this, I got to
(02:14):
understand and even though Iknew the outcome when I watched
it, I was still beyond shocked.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
The worst.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So my plan was I'm like I got to tell Jesse about
this and that's what I do on ourpodcast.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
She destroys me.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I'm basically telling him like I'm giving him the tea
, but you guys are listening.
So I decided I was like I gotto tell Jesse about this and I
want to do it through thepodcast.
But then I was like I need himto watch this.
So I came home Thursdays are myFriday.
I came home on a Thursday nightand I was grabbing, grabbing a
(02:51):
Vista Bay, cause I have a coupleon Thursday nights, cause I
don't, I don't have a lot ofobligations on Friday.
I mean I do, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Her weekend starts, then we don't drink during the
week and then she gets.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
but I come home and I have a couple, sometimes Not
every week, so I was like Jesse,I got off early this particular
fucking week.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
she wanted to destroy me when she fucking got off.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So I said, Jesse, I'm off early.
Let's have a couple of VistaBays.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And let's watch this documentary so we can talk about
it.
And she did and he was like allright, so here we go.
All right, so we watchedUnknown Color, which is set in
(03:38):
the small town of Bill City,Michigan and high school student
, lauren Licari, and herboyfriend, owen McKinney.
Poor baby, I mean, they'rebabies, babies, and I'm sure all
of you guys have watched this,but this is me and Jesse's take
on it, okay, yeah, so they're.
I mean, they're babies, babies,and I'm sure all of you guys
have watched this, but this isme and jesse's take on it.
Okay, yeah, so they're babiesand they, and and lauren starts
getting disturbing messagesabout um or from an unknown,
(03:58):
unknown number, um saying, youknow, basically insinuating at
first that Owen is not beingfaithful to her, and they're
like 12 and 13 years old whenthis shit starts.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Okay, as if any of that is relevant at their age.
Really, and the shit that westarted seeing, cause they show
the text messages.
Three over 300 pages.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And what did I tell you at the very beginning?
I'm like Jesse remember everysingle message that you see is
real.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Is real Is real.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
That is not fabricated, that's not.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Hollywood.
She's like listen, jesse, I'vealready watched this, this is
real.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
These parts that they're plugging in here, really
happened and then later on youliterally see a binder.
That's about what do you say?
What do you say about that?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
thick over 300 pages, three over 300, 360, something.
It was, it was insane pages ofthe amount of text that this
unknown caller was sending to a13 year old, and it goes all the
way until she's 15 started likeshe was getting a few and and
then it went away for a while,right, and then all of a sudden,
(05:07):
it was like bing, bing, bing,bing.
So imagine being a youngteenager and you have a cute
relationship.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
To Lauren and Owen To Lauren and Owen.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
They had a cute relationship and it was just
like okay, Super cute littlesports kids, Super school love.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
They're all in this fort small town.
They had a caution light,that's it.
They had a caution light andone of the flashing light, two
bars, two bars and a cautionlight.
Yeah, he was, because at onepoint in the story it's like
they went trick-or-treatingtogether and just he's like
where the fuck did theytrick-or-treat?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
farm country.
Yeah, 20 miles apart you arewhatever.
At least a mile apart a house.
You know where do theytrick-or-treat at?
I don't understand it, and itwas just, it was.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
It was crazy to me I was they did and I was just
being funny but I was like, well, maybe the bar set up, yeah,
but honestly, maybetrunk-or-treat or something
that's what I was gonna say.
Yeah, honestly, it was becausethe small town I mean, we're
already a small town, but thereare smaller towns around us that
do a trunk-or-treat we have atrunk-or-treat yeah, it sucks,
but I feel like you know thatrural area.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
They were probably going to a bigger town, you know
, or something, and we're, we'restuff or they, or like, or they
could just set up like manylittle smaller communities and
around the shit that washappening.
There was some.
There was some houses, you knowthere was some.
There was some things.
Obviously, because they wereevery.
Every person in that wholedocumentary was all into sports.
(06:26):
All the children that weregoing to school, all of them was
just into sports.
It was like K through 12.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yes, Small school and our nearby town, which is
called Brantford, reminded me alot of this city.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Okay, yeah, for sure I get it, yeah, so that's
probably really the challenge,because their school.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Well, they have an elementary and then their high
school is like 6th through 12th.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
So a little bit smaller than that than Brantford
, but still.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I get it.
I mean, I was fuck Tightcommunity all about sports.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
That's.
All they do is sports andcheerleading, I know.
Is that kind of Charles Mead?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
So yeah, go back and listen to our episode on our
hometown cult.
It's literally titled HometownCult but it's about the Mead
Ministries cult here in our town.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
And there might be a documentary about that.
We may be part of it, who knows?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, We've been invited to be a part of that
documentary.
It might be a part of thatdocumentary.
It's too crazy Manifestation,so anyways.
So mostly Lauren is receivingall these.
I mean vile text messages,sexual content, violent content,
(07:39):
and then Owen is receiving someas well.
So basically, this unknowncaller is telling Lauren, or
unknown number is telling LaurenYou're disgusting, you're a
skank whore, you're flat chested, you're flat assed, you Owen's
cheating on you.
And then Owen is getting textmessages.
(08:02):
We need to.
We need to get rid of thisbitch.
We need to do this.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
We need to, we need to get rid of this bitch, we
need to do this, we need to dothat.
So super creepy and it's a lot,a lot of we behind the text
messages.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I'm like there's more , yeah, so this unknown number
is basically, when he reachesout to Owen, he's acting, or
this person is acting, like that.
They're like together, you know, and they're like together, you
know, and they're they'rethey're planning on doing
something to Lauren, but Owen'slike, uh, he, you know they're
(08:32):
starting to get angry, they'restarting to get involved, and
now I was going to say well, thekids are starting to respond
out of anger.
Yeah, Now parents are gettinginvolved.
Owen's parents are involved.
Lauren's parents are involved.
Owen's parents are involved.
Lauren's parents are involved.
They go to the principal.
The principal starts payingmore attention to these friend
groups.
They're looking at theircameras.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I feel like the school board kind of did to
their capabilities, but at thesame time they were kind of
backing off because they didn'twant to keep portraying
something they couldn'taccomplish.
They brought it to everybody'sattention.
They had some meetings and butbut parents they were, they were
going and beating the desk ofthese superintendents in the
school board and nobody.
(09:14):
Well, they get the sheriffinvolved.
They didn't have results.
Yeah, mike main I believe hisname was involved.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, so they get him involved and he's zeroing in on
these certain friend groups andtrying to figure out when these
kids are getting the messagesand they're trying to look for
other kids.
That's a lot.
That's a lot to deal with,because kids are on their phones
all the fucking time.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Honestly, this whole podcast is crazy to me because
usually I don't know shit.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I know, so this time he knows and I got me yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
And I can be involved and I understand, like where
you're going is, you know, andbuilding it.
This is fucking crazy.
You're not allowed to dump thisshit on me on a thursday
anymore so but you're going todo it anyhow, right, but you're
not allowed, but you're going todo it.
You're in my thank you so much,because you fucking don't do it
, you just want to do it, soyeah, well, your world fucking
well, we're, I mean we're a yearinto the podcast now.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I mean, like he's in, he's, he's in you know what?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
and at the beginning of all that I I said you know
I'm gonna get, I'm gonna getcalloused, I'm gonna, you know,
ride this saddle until my assjust gets used to it.
Yes, sir, you cannot, youcannot, you cannot in podcast
about true crime.
You cannot get calloused.
And we're getting a little bitbetter and a little bit more
skilled on what we're doing andhow we're putting out our
(10:25):
content.
Quality whatever, I'm gonnakeep that's my little fart tape
forte, whatever fartay fartay,fartay, fartay but I, I I'm
gonna do the best as as myability.
Whatever we're gonna make, we'regonna have fun doing your whole
project over here.
But you can't fucking get usedto this and the two-parter that
(10:46):
you just started Half of that,son of a bitch.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Anyhow, this one alone.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
There's no real murder or anything.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I came home and I told Jesse I'm like this
documentary.
It has no murder, it has norape, it has no violent crime
and it shook me to my core.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Because of the amount of destruction.
So these.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
you have to watch the documentary If you haven't yet.
I'm sure you live under a rock,but if you haven't and you
don't have Netflix, hit me up.
I'll give you my login.
Let's watch it.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Let's discuss it.
We're going to have a watchparty.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Okay, so now the principal is involved, the
sheriff of the town is involved,but they can't get any answers
and the texts are just gettingworse and worse and it's taking
a toll on Lauren and Owen's veryyoung, very innocent
relationship.
So they break up.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
They're children, they're children, they break up
that's been destroyed now bytext messages Destroyed.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
So they think, now that they have broken up, that
things are going to get better?
No, so now Lauren is receivingtrigger warning If you haven't
watched the documentary.
She's receiving text messageson Twitter.
She this unknown number istelling her to kill herself and
(12:10):
is just, and I mean, and sheplays basketball, she plays
sports, and this unknown numberis telling her that she sucks at
her sports.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, her body sucks her everything about her side
into, like what she was wearingand how many points she scored
that day how many points she wasscoring.
So, on top of like the nastyfucking sexual things, she was
saying that she was doing withher ex-boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You know he's coming over to me, he's doing this with
me I mean we're not going torepeat it because it makes me
blush.
Talk about horrific, it's notblush.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
To me it's disgusting .
Children and even even thepolice officer that was trying
to do the research he's likethat made me blush.
I'm like, how did?
It is way more than blush, itis disgusting, disgusting.
It makes the one is it duh or ddisgusting or disgusting d, but
I want to say duh because I'm afair like.
It's like horrifically.
(13:05):
You're just morbidly horrifiedby the things that you see in
text messages, the harassmentand it's not just two people, it
becomes way more than thatRight.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
So then they zero in on another high school student
named Chloe, who has beenidentified as a bully.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, they're trying to find people.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
And she's got nothing to do with it.
Okay Now, her and Owen werefriends and a lot of people
thought that they were more thanfriends.
And Chloe and Lauren?
They didn't get along theyweren't they?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
just they didn't mesh well.
Well, small towns in sports,everybody's in sports.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
All of them were like they're brushing up against
each other in the classroomtogether but chloe was
identified as being a bully toother people and that's
problematic and her parents werekind of problematic, but you
know yeah, and everybody saidshe was kind of abrasive to
begin with, so she was targetnumber one so then they were
like okay, well, let's find thequiet, shy, shy kid who was
(14:06):
Adriana, and but then, as soonas Adriana starts getting
accused, she starts gettingmessages from the unknown caller
or unknown number.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So third victim, here we go.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Then Owen.
He starts dating another girlin another city and that girl's
mom starts getting messages fromthe unknown caller.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
How the fuck?
Ok, you're using, using appsyou're using like burner phones.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yes, it was an app generator or app number
generator, so every single timethis unknown number would come
through it was a differentnumber caller so it it like to
block them.
It just becomes a job.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
So and there, was a child, like you're trying to do
your thing at school and thenbeing and then you know, you
know, here's your math testbeing you know here's.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Here's what you need to do in social studies or
whatever, english or whateverbeing being and then these, the
parents are trying to take thephone and the kids are fighting
them on it because, yeah,they've got their friends.
And why would you?
You know it?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
it's just, it's so much, and they were even like
grouping together, like parentswere like let's just take all
the kids as far as other kidsinvolved who were actually
trying to do, like little baby,investigative work.
Yeah, so I feel like there weresome people that were kind of
teaming up.
They were trying to figure thisout too.
This whole community wasdestroyed, just destroyed, a
whole fucking community abouttext messages.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
So it's not Chloe, it's not Adriana.
So then you know it's time toget the FBI involved.
So FBI comes in and he does thework.
Like Sheriff Maine, he's donewhat he could with his small
town resources.
They're like.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
So this guy's a specialist that just knows like
data and DNA're like.
So this guy's a specialist thatjust knows like data and DNA,
like all the all the parts where, where it comes into play with
like text messages and to tofind it down all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
And he's finding out an IP address where all these
messages are coming from.
And you can literally watch onthe screen and this goes, and
that's when I stopped and I uh,well, I recorded Jesse.
Literally watch on the screenand this goes.
And that's when I stopped and Iuh, well, I recorded jesse's
reaction she did, she got me itgoes back to kendra lakari, who
is lauren's mother.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Lauren's mother the own child's mother that was
being harassed.
Her fucking mom did that shitand what.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
And they gaslit us the whole time because lauren's
mom is in this fuckingdocumentary and so I defended, I
defend, I was like you know,she just looks like okay.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So they're showing all these people and they're
building the whole narrative,right, they're building this
whole fucking thing I'll let yougo the whole documentary and
I'm just like well, she justlooks like she's just a farm
working mom, you know, becausethis is all you know it looks
like agricultural farm type andI already know rural area.
I'm fucking mad and I was likelindsey, she just, and she's
like no, she looks like what'dyou?
(17:02):
What'd you call her?
What'd you call her?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
well, the internet world.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
We're calling her quasimodo, yeah, okay is that
what the internet world callshere?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
okay, honestly, I don't even want to insult, I
wasn't trying.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I was just like okay, because there's a lot of
beautiful people here that likeeven the kids they had eyelashes
and shit done.
You could tell.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
And then there's some money and I was like I am
really glad that I don't havegirls because, yeah, we would be
broke, jesse, with having toget them, and I brought it to a
light, but it's still, yeah,$100 a fucking week or something
in eyelash work Having to getthem lash extensions.
I'm the only female in thishouse, so I'm the only bougie
one here, as you can see, but Ido these myself 14, 15,
(17:42):
16-year-olds and they all havelike hundreds of dollars a week
in cosmetics just because theywant to look cute.
I mean they're clean cut.
You know they take care ofthemselves it was a really good
looking community.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Everybody looked like they had some money.
Maybe they're living out theirmeans, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Actually, they were living out their means because
Well, kendra was a fucking liar,not only was she sending
horrible, derogatory, vile,diabolical texts to her daughter
and her daughter's boyfriend?
She has also.
So the police are like they'vepinpointed her.
They come in, they come to thehouse.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
All of them came from one phone, her.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Body cam footage.
She comes into the house.
I'm hydrating.
I got water.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Drink water, drink anything, fuck, we got got it.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
They come into the house body cam footage.
They let they basically tellher bitch, we know, we know why.
What are you doing?
Are you infatuated?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
and she's all like.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Well, to start with, it wasn't me I don't believe
that, because they can't findanybody else that it was linked
to but her, and then they bringthe daughter in from the pool.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
right, she's just hanging out at the pool, so she
comes in, you know, in a towel,just wrapped up.
Why wouldn't she arrest?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
them.
I was crying.
They had the fucking Lawrenceright off the ring.
I was crying oh my God, I'm outof everything over here.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I know, hey, keep talking.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I'm going to, hey, keep talking.
I'm gonna go get my fuckingnoshy nosh over there and um so
so lauren comes in, while thepolice.
So here's here's.
Here's kendra the mother, theevil fucking mother.
Here's lauren.
The police are telling laurenwhat's going on.
Hey, your mom has been doingthis the whole time, kendra,
she's here, she's trying to hugon her.
I'm screaming.
(19:30):
Don't you fucking touch her,don't you fucking put your.
I'm mad, I'm so pissed off.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I had to bring Jackie O'Daniel.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Then they call Sean the father.
We haven't talked about him yet.
Sean is the father.
They tell Sean hey, we're sorryto tell you this, but we're
here at your house.
We found out that your wife isthe motherfucker that's been
sending your daughter and theseother kids these text messages.
So he rushes home.
Come to find out when he getshome.
(19:59):
This bitch has been lying aboutworking for a year period.
She's been working, beingemployed From two jobs From two
Having a job because this poorman just comes home and gives
her his paycheck.
She manages the finances.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
we gotta, we gotta, stop that so if you're a police
officer, you have full-on searchwarrants to this caliber of
conviction.
Do not let the daughter come inthere.
She has been manipulated to thepoint.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I was so mad.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
She's still bad.
You can love your mom after shedoes such a thing to you, but
do not let them be part of thewhole prosecution process.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
She should have been talked to separately, In my
opinion.
I don't know how that goes.
I don't know how that works.
Hey, she's a victim.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
You did this.
She's putting you in handcuffs.
We're going to bring youdowntown and we're going to talk
this shit out.
Her husband showed up found outall that shit.
Not only does he find out thathis wife.
You don't get the right to dothat in a living room where
you're trying to talk this shitout and everybody's destroyed
right in front of you in thisfucking horrific.
It's terrible Lindsay.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Not only does Sean find out that his wife has been
textually harassing his daughterbut that she's also put them in
financial ruin, if you know.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
but if you don't know , you don't fucking know,
because this is.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
But that's probably also why all of these people
agreed to do this documentary,especially Lauren's family,
because they were broke afterKendra put them in financial
ruin.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
But how does this cunt get some fucking money from
Netflix?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
at the end of this, I know she did she did, so she
spends what like a year and ahalf in prison.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Well, that's not shit .
She should have spent 14 yearsin prison, because that's how
long it's going to take for herto get over.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
This is what we need to rant and write at dawn about.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, you fisting in the air I got my fucking just
for fucking, freaking, fucking.
This is what I was doing, yes,and this you were, and it's been
June Lucari, and I woke up.
Well, no, I didn't wake up.
I was awake the whole time, butI was tired as fuck.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
And that woke him up.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, when he was like what so anyways, you made
me feel like Alex the Terrible.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
So we need to ride at dawn?
Why this bitch doesn't registryattached to her conviction?
Why doesn't she have toregister as a there you go?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
because the big p word because she had an
infatuation with her daughter'sfucking boyfriend and she was
kind of and he even said it inthe doc dude, he even said it.
She don't dude, he even said itshe doted on him.
She would reach out and be likebaby, you're okay and touch
women, period.
If a woman comes up to you andshe's like, hey, how you doing,
(23:01):
and she wants to touch just this, that right there there's a
infatuation.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
He said that she would cut up his steak.
Children don't know thatthere's children.
Children don't know thatthere's children.
I don't cut up their steak.
No, now I have Okay In the past.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Lindsay, if you cut up one of our boys' friends'
steak in front of me.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
If one of our kids come over here and you cut up
their steak in front of me, whatam I going to think?
First of all, I would never.
Your friend can cut up yoursteak if you need your steak cut
up.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Are you a baby?
Yeah, if my wife or anybody andI don't know if that happened,
because the husband, he was kindof oblivious, brought his
whole- check home.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, bless his heart man.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Jumped it in front of this woman that was
manipulating everybody in thefamily.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
My heart just goes out.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Sean and Lauren man, y'all are in.
I watched the video the otherday, just like yesterday.
I watched the video and he'splaying with his daughter and
they're just like he has thisgenuine love.
That is just their connectionand you know, I love you and all
this stuff.
But you could tell that themother was just forefronting
(24:17):
every bit of manipulation.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
And this bitch had the nerve to smile through this
documentary Like are you fucking?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
kidding me.
Maybe I'm the bad guy, but I'mlike what?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
It compares what she did to Okay, drunk driving is
not cool, but crimes are notcool, period.
But no, ma'amam, you don't getto put anything, no, in the
category of what you did.
You made torturing yourdaughter and her friends and her
ex-boyfriend your full-time jobbecause your ass wasn't going
to work, you weren't makingmoney for your family job was
(24:49):
harassing harassing.
You were harassing people asyour full time job, while you're
lying to your family abouthaving a job like wow, wow, you
know what I mean the saddestpart to me is I still don't
think that it has sunk in forLauren the damage that her own
(25:14):
mother has done to her.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I don't think that it has sunk in for Lauren the
damage that her own mother hasdone to her.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
No, I don't think, cause I mean, honestly, like I
said, when I went on, when Iwent, when I watched it the
first time, I already knew theoutcome.
I already knew who the villainwas.
It didn't sink in for me.
It didn't sink in for me thatthis woman, that this mother
that was a part of thisdocumentary from the beginning,
was the one doing this to herown child.
What is wrong?
(25:38):
How?
I can't wrap my head around it.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
It's like you have to disassociate that because you
can't believe it.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
But you watched it all unfold and Lauren and Jesse
said she's going to grow up andshe ain't going to have shit to
do with her mother or worse, andwe don't want to go into and I
don't, I don't, yeah, not tryingto manifest anything into the
world, I am not.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
We hope there's got to be a release but I mean I
hope it's healthy.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I hope it's healthy but at the same time, like she
was talking to her mother whileshe's I mean, it's hard.
My boys have went through thesame thing with their biological
father before they just brokeaway.
It took them until they weregrown, and this girl is still a
teenager but how many times doyou have to?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
pull over on the side of the road and scream at
nature.
How many times do you have togo into a field and ball your
eyes out and let it loose, or inthe shower, or in the shower,
or in a pillow, or wherever yougot to go to release it?
Speaker 2 (26:40):
in the, in the, in the, in the washing machine as
I'm loading up laundry what isthat point that's going to bring
satisfaction, satisfaction,satisfaction, satisfaction,
satisfaction.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
all the cations in the actions, anyhow, what's
going to fully reset a humanbeing whenever they're trying to
come into adulthood and havehad to have seen all of that?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
What we want to say, what Jesse and I want to say is
it don't?
Matter who the fuck they are toyou, if they have hurt you, if
they have tried to destroy youis it don't matter who the fuck
they are to you.
If they have hurt you, if theyhave tried to destroy you, you
don't need them.
It doesn't matter if they'reyour mother, father, brother,
sister, cousin, uncle, aunt,grandfather, grandmother.
Cut them off in any.
You don't need that age bracketthere's no, coming back from
(27:28):
something like that, that womantold her daughter to kill
herself.
Yeah, multiple times, multipleshe pointed out horrible,
horrible insecurities of her andand I mean I'm not kidding you,
the binder is this thick oftext messages text messages that
this vile woman sent to her oldchild.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Some one-liners, some paragraphs, 50 times a day.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
There's a guy that I follow on TikTok who said what I
was thinking.
He said you know, after thereveal that it was Kendra
Netflix gaslit, you and you wereoverreacting because it was
just downplayed.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
And then gave her a big-ass platform at the fucking
end.
Sorry, netflix, I think you gotthat wrong.
You should have painted her alittle bit more fucking dirty.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Jesse wrote little notes out and this is the word
that he has written andunderlined.
You can't read it, but it sayscunt yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Well, I didn't want to drop it, but I had it in my
notes but I didn't want to dropit.
But I had it my notes but Ididn't want to drop it.
I mean, I'll drop that fuckingc word if I need to.
Can I drop the cunt word?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
she was a fucking cunt, lindsey and but, and me
and my besties in our group textthis morning we were discussing
it.
Uh, my bestie erin, her wife,finally watched it.
Uh, yeah, the rest of it thismorning or last night, I'm sorry
.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Ongoing viral thing but, oh, yeah, but like so.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I was like soon as because, Erin, she already knew
the outcome as well, but I waslike let us know when Morgan
finishes it.
I want to know her reaction.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Where's it at it even took Morgan.
Did it happen?
Where's her reaction?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Morgan did not accept it at first either, because how
do you accept that a motherlike it took Morgan a minute to
to really grasp?
Because you have value in yourparents.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
wait, you have some really doing this, like she
didn't accept the fact, andthat's the same as her.
She had value in her fuckingmom and because her mom would be
like hey, baby, I love you somuch.
I hope you have a great day.
You're so beautiful.
See you, to see you later on.
And so let's plug dante.
Can we do dante now, becausethat's the point where I wanted
to get to the whole time.
I'm only on this screen to doDante on this one.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
We did.
We did.
What the hell Dante with aDante?
So we did plug this in ourprevious recap.
Um so Dante Elizabeth Jamesdoes a little skit of this.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
That's the only way we can fucking get over this.
I couldn't go to sleep.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I.
This is the only way we canfucking get over this.
I couldn't go to sleep.
I couldn't go to sleep afterthis.
You couldn't sleep and I waslike, alright, I'm going to pull
up my boy.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Don, I'm going to help you out right here.
And she did.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Look his skit up about this documentary.
You will laugh so fucking hard.
This is horrific, though, butyou will laugh so hard at him
Because it is he's one of myfavorite parts of tiktok man.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
It was literally just like what I said.
It was just like hey, baby, Ilove you so much, hope you have
a great day at school.
Fuck you, fucking bitch, youfucking motherfucker.
It was just like he turnsaround and it's red and it's the
red light, and his face is likethis all the it's like all the
praises and all thebeautifulness, all the fucking
control.
And what do we call that?
(30:34):
What?
do you call all that.
Tell me all the words that youcall all that, or what the mom
was doing to her daughter.
Tell me every single word,because I know people have all
these these words and you knowtechnical things okay, the stock
, the, the stockholm scenesyndrome, the um, just so many
different things that justreally happened.
(30:54):
So everybody labels all thesethings in different categories.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
It's a type of bullying and things like that.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
But there's so many fucking levels.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Because you're the only person to hate themselves.
Right which is what Laurenended up doing.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
There's so many levels of that, and we were
talking about that in a coupleof pods In our last pod too.
There's so many levels of that,and we were talking about that
in a couple pods in our last podtoo.
There's so many levels of that,you know, with you and your
horrific relationship and havingto, you know, be a single
mother, and then I stepped inand we did our thing.
You know, you know all thestuff.
There's levels of all of thatand nobody can pinpoint anything
(31:31):
to a full diagnosis of whateveryou want to label things.
No, you know, you can't.
If you think about it, in everysituation you can't.
And that's where she's at rightnow with her mom.
Her mom did her time, did her?
You know, she did the crime,did the time.
I don't think she was charged.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
And wanted to write it off as she was trying to save
her daughter for going what shewent through.
Yeah, fuck you, Kendra.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Oh, I know my daughter's not going to commit
suicide, so I'm just going totell her to fucking kill herself
For 11 months.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
No, it was 22.
22 months altogether.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
But the kill herself was like.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
there was like a big After she broke up with Owen we
won and sending her daughterpictures of her and Owen with
her like egg stout and like pukeemojis and shit over it Like
what.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, what Little memes and bullshit, just
constantly, constantly.
And this little girl.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Torture.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
She was still doing sports, she still had a great
support system at home.
Her dad.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Her dad was amazing.
No, the mom too.
She didn't know it, but her momis canceled.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yeah, but no, she would get home and have the
greatest support from her mom.
So good, yeah, back to Dante,back to the Heliante.
I love you so much.
I hope your game's going to beso amazing.
Don't worry about those.
The points that you scored inyour basketball game, you know,
and all that, and literallywould turn around in seconds and
(33:00):
then text her Fuck you, youflat fucking ass bitch Would you
flat test, flat ass I wish youwould kill yourself.
You only scored so much in agame Like are you kidding me?
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Never.
How do you even think thosethoughts in your head to tell
your little baby child that youbirthed?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I'm preoccupying myself by wrapping up this
because this is so horrific.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
So fucking.
But we're going to keep ourrecap short and we are 33
minutes in right now.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
So, yeah, I mean, we could go on for days about it,
watch the doc, follow us, though, because we have so much shit,
so much shit, and look at her,and look at her, and look at her
.
She's so fucking amazing.
How am I Look at the contrastover here?
Wait a minute.
And you say you're CaucasianFuck you.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
You're not so make sure that you have listened to
part one of David Parker RayPart two will be out Friday and
also watch this documentary.
If you want to be mad, if youwant to release some anger,
watch this documentary, becauseit'll help you.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, and make sure you have plenty of air that you
can punch If you think you're abad mom, watch this documentary.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
I bet you you're doing 99% better than this bitch
.
Yeah, period, period you makeme feel like I was the best
mother in the entire world.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
And I judge myself really hard.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
We judge ourselves, but that's how we keep striving
to be better, striving to bebetter.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
You know, we will never be Kendra Licari.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
No, and we will see you guys Friday.
Well, friday.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
We will see you on video next week's thing.
We'll see you around Sure.
To recap, david Parker Ray.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, and I'm not excited.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
No, don't say excited .
No.
No, I'm fucking horrified.
Already he's horrified, but Igot to pee.
We got to wrap this up, okay.
Hey Jesse, hello Lindsay.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
What you got going on here.
You're a little crooked.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
No, I want it to be crooked.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
No, can I straighten it?
This is one of our grandbabieshats from Halloween.
Last year we pulled it all out.
They were witch kittens, Okaywell.
So we pulled out all ourHalloween.
I look snazzy.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yep Snazzy.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Okay, I'll take it.
Hang on, let me get my.
I liked it.
No, but you know I wanted toget my shit right.
Let me get my shit right,lindsay.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Okay, but I had to play what are you drinking today
or right now?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
right now, yeah at this moment it's the raspberry
still on a raspberry parade On.
Raspberry Parade at Vista Bay.
Well, I've got.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I'm still continuing with my little, okay.
So we recorded a little bittoday.
So I have a in this sparkly cupwith an umbrella on top I have
vodka, blue ice vodka,watermelon.
It's like an Aldi version of anAlati Alani, not Alati.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
A lot of Alani.
We're drunk about something raw.
Here we are.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Raw, uncut and unedited.
So I've got vodka, I've gotwatermelon energy drink, I've
got sparkling water and that'sit yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, I had Alani and I'm almost done with this
because we just recorded partone of David Parker Ray you
destroyed me, so I'm out ofAlani because I was destroyed
and there's two parts to thatone.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, the second part will be out next Friday.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I'm starting to get slurry.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
This Friday yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
This is my slurry phase.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
All right, so today, since we are in the middle of a
two-part series, we're going torecap something else.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, there's so much content that she needs to throw
at me.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
So I was scrolling on TikTok and I kept seeing people
posting their reactions to thisdocumentary called Unknown
Caller and through the internetand through TikTok, I already
knew the outcome, but I was likeI got to watch this, I got to
(02:14):
understand and even though Iknew the outcome when I watched
it, I was still beyond shocked.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
The worst.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So my plan was I'm like I got to tell Jesse about
this and that's what I do on ourpodcast.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
She destroys me.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I'm basically telling him like I'm giving him the tea
, but you guys are listening.
So I decided I was like I gotto tell Jesse about this and I
want to do it through thepodcast.
But then I was like I need himto watch this.
So I came home Thursdays are myFriday.
I came home on a Thursday nightand I was grabbing, grabbing a
(02:51):
Vista Bay, cause I have a coupleon Thursday nights, cause I
don't, I don't have a lot ofobligations on Friday.
I mean I do, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Her weekend starts, then we don't drink during the
week and then she gets.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
but I come home and I have a couple, sometimes Not
every week, so I was like Jesse,I got off early this particular
fucking week.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
she wanted to destroy me when she fucking got off.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So I said, Jesse, I'm off early.
Let's have a couple of VistaBays.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And let's watch this documentary so we can talk about
it.
And she did and he was like allright, so here we go.
All right, so we watchedUnknown Color, which is set in
(03:38):
the small town of Bill City,Michigan and high school student
, lauren Licari, and herboyfriend, owen McKinney.
Poor baby, I mean, they'rebabies, babies, and I'm sure all
of you guys have watched this,but this is me and Jesse's take
on it, okay, yeah, so they're.
I mean, they're babies, babies,and I'm sure all of you guys
have watched this, but this isme and jesse's take on it.
Okay, yeah, so they're babiesand they, and and lauren starts
getting disturbing messagesabout um or from an unknown,
(03:58):
unknown number, um saying, youknow, basically insinuating at
first that Owen is not beingfaithful to her, and they're
like 12 and 13 years old whenthis shit starts.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Okay, as if any of that is relevant at their age.
Really, and the shit that westarted seeing, cause they show
the text messages.
Three over 300 pages.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And what did I tell you at the very beginning?
I'm like Jesse remember everysingle message that you see is
real.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Is real Is real.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
That is not fabricated, that's not.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Hollywood.
She's like listen, jesse, I'vealready watched this, this is
real.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
These parts that they're plugging in here, really
happened and then later on youliterally see a binder.
That's about what do you say?
What do you say about that?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
thick over 300 pages, three over 300, 360, something.
It was, it was insane pages ofthe amount of text that this
unknown caller was sending to a13 year old, and it goes all the
way until she's 15 started likeshe was getting a few and and
then it went away for a while,right, and then all of a sudden,
(05:07):
it was like bing, bing, bing,bing.
So imagine being a youngteenager and you have a cute
relationship.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
To Lauren and Owen To Lauren and Owen.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
They had a cute relationship and it was just
like okay, Super cute littlesports kids, Super school love.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
They're all in this fort small town.
They had a caution light,that's it.
They had a caution light andone of the flashing light, two
bars, two bars and a cautionlight.
Yeah, he was, because at onepoint in the story it's like
they went trick-or-treatingtogether and just he's like
where the fuck did theytrick-or-treat?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
farm country.
Yeah, 20 miles apart you arewhatever.
At least a mile apart a house.
You know where do theytrick-or-treat at?
I don't understand it, and itwas just, it was.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
It was crazy to me I was they did and I was just
being funny but I was like, well, maybe the bar set up, yeah,
but honestly, maybetrunk-or-treat or something
that's what I was gonna say.
Yeah, honestly, it was becausethe small town I mean, we're
already a small town, but thereare smaller towns around us that
do a trunk-or-treat we have atrunk-or-treat yeah, it sucks,
but I feel like you know thatrural area.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
They were probably going to a bigger town, you know
, or something, and we're, we'restuff or they, or like, or they
could just set up like manylittle smaller communities and
around the shit that washappening.
There was some.
There was some houses, you knowthere was some.
There was some things.
Obviously, because they wereevery.
Every person in that wholedocumentary was all into sports.
(06:26):
All the children that weregoing to school, all of them was
just into sports.
It was like K through 12.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yes, Small school and our nearby town, which is
called Brantford, reminded me alot of this city.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Okay, yeah, for sure I get it, yeah, so that's
probably really the challenge,because their school.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Well, they have an elementary and then their high
school is like 6th through 12th.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
So a little bit smaller than that than Brantford
, but still.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I get it.
I mean, I was fuck Tightcommunity all about sports.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
That's.
All they do is sports andcheerleading, I know.
Is that kind of Charles Mead?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
So yeah, go back and listen to our episode on our
hometown cult.
It's literally titled HometownCult but it's about the Mead
Ministries cult here in our town.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
And there might be a documentary about that.
We may be part of it, who knows?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, We've been invited to be a part of that
documentary.
It might be a part of thatdocumentary.
It's too crazy Manifestation,so anyways.
So mostly Lauren is receivingall these.
I mean vile text messages,sexual content, violent content,
(07:39):
and then Owen is receiving someas well.
So basically, this unknowncaller is telling Lauren, or
unknown number is telling LaurenYou're disgusting, you're a
skank whore, you're flat chested, you're flat assed, you Owen's
cheating on you.
And then Owen is getting textmessages.
(08:02):
We need to.
We need to get rid of thisbitch.
We need to do this.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
We need to, we need to get rid of this bitch, we
need to do this, we need to dothat.
So super creepy and it's a lot,a lot of we behind the text
messages.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I'm like there's more , yeah, so this unknown number
is basically, when he reachesout to Owen, he's acting, or
this person is acting, like that.
They're like together, you know, and they're like together, you
know, and they're they'rethey're planning on doing
something to Lauren, but Owen'slike, uh, he, you know they're
(08:32):
starting to get angry, they'restarting to get involved, and
now I was going to say well, thekids are starting to respond
out of anger.
Yeah, Now parents are gettinginvolved.
Owen's parents are involved.
Lauren's parents are involved.
Owen's parents are involved.
Lauren's parents are involved.
They go to the principal.
The principal starts payingmore attention to these friend
groups.
They're looking at theircameras.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I feel like the school board kind of did to
their capabilities, but at thesame time they were kind of
backing off because they didn'twant to keep portraying
something they couldn'taccomplish.
They brought it to everybody'sattention.
They had some meetings and butbut parents they were, they were
going and beating the desk ofthese superintendents in the
school board and nobody.
(09:14):
Well, they get the sheriffinvolved.
They didn't have results.
Yeah, mike main I believe hisname was involved.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, so they get him involved and he's zeroing in on
these certain friend groups andtrying to figure out when these
kids are getting the messagesand they're trying to look for
other kids.
That's a lot.
That's a lot to deal with,because kids are on their phones
all the fucking time.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Honestly, this whole podcast is crazy to me because
usually I don't know shit.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I know, so this time he knows and I got me yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
And I can be involved and I understand, like where
you're going is, you know, andbuilding it.
This is fucking crazy.
You're not allowed to dump thisshit on me on a thursday
anymore so but you're going todo it anyhow, right, but you're
not allowed, but you're going todo it.
You're in my thank you so much,because you fucking don't do it
, you just want to do it, soyeah, well, your world fucking
well, we're, I mean we're a yearinto the podcast now.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I mean, like he's in, he's, he's in you know what?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
and at the beginning of all that I I said you know
I'm gonna get, I'm gonna getcalloused, I'm gonna, you know,
ride this saddle until my assjust gets used to it.
Yes, sir, you cannot, youcannot, you cannot in podcast
about true crime.
You cannot get calloused.
And we're getting a little bitbetter and a little bit more
skilled on what we're doing andhow we're putting out our
(10:25):
content.
Quality whatever, I'm gonnakeep that's my little fart tape
forte, whatever fartay fartay,fartay, fartay but I, I I'm
gonna do the best as as myability.
Whatever we're gonna make, we'regonna have fun doing your whole
project over here.
But you can't fucking get usedto this and the two-parter that
(10:46):
you just started Half of that,son of a bitch.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Anyhow, this one alone.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
There's no real murder or anything.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I came home and I told Jesse I'm like this
documentary.
It has no murder, it has norape, it has no violent crime
and it shook me to my core.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Because of the amount of destruction.
So these.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
you have to watch the documentary If you haven't yet.
I'm sure you live under a rock,but if you haven't and you
don't have Netflix, hit me up.
I'll give you my login.
Let's watch it.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Let's discuss it.
We're going to have a watchparty.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Okay, so now the principal is involved, the
sheriff of the town is involved,but they can't get any answers
and the texts are just gettingworse and worse and it's taking
a toll on Lauren and Owen's veryyoung, very innocent
relationship.
So they break up.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
They're children, they're children, they break up
that's been destroyed now bytext messages Destroyed.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
So they think, now that they have broken up, that
things are going to get better?
No, so now Lauren is receivingtrigger warning If you haven't
watched the documentary.
She's receiving text messageson Twitter.
She this unknown number istelling her to kill herself and
(12:10):
is just, and I mean, and sheplays basketball, she plays
sports, and this unknown numberis telling her that she sucks at
her sports.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, her body sucks her everything about her side
into, like what she was wearingand how many points she scored
that day how many points she wasscoring.
So, on top of like the nastyfucking sexual things, she was
saying that she was doing withher ex-boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You know he's coming over to me, he's doing this with
me I mean we're not going torepeat it because it makes me
blush.
Talk about horrific, it's notblush.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
To me it's disgusting .
Children and even even thepolice officer that was trying
to do the research he's likethat made me blush.
I'm like, how did?
It is way more than blush, itis disgusting, disgusting.
It makes the one is it duh or ddisgusting or disgusting d, but
I want to say duh because I'm afair like.
It's like horrifically.
(13:05):
You're just morbidly horrifiedby the things that you see in
text messages, the harassmentand it's not just two people, it
becomes way more than thatRight.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
So then they zero in on another high school student
named Chloe, who has beenidentified as a bully.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, they're trying to find people.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
And she's got nothing to do with it.
Okay Now, her and Owen werefriends and a lot of people
thought that they were more thanfriends.
And Chloe and Lauren?
They didn't get along theyweren't they?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
just they didn't mesh well.
Well, small towns in sports,everybody's in sports.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
All of them were like they're brushing up against
each other in the classroomtogether but chloe was
identified as being a bully toother people and that's
problematic and her parents werekind of problematic, but you
know yeah, and everybody saidshe was kind of abrasive to
begin with, so she was targetnumber one so then they were
like okay, well, let's find thequiet, shy, shy kid who was
(14:06):
Adriana, and but then, as soonas Adriana starts getting
accused, she starts gettingmessages from the unknown caller
or unknown number.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So third victim, here we go.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Then Owen.
He starts dating another girlin another city and that girl's
mom starts getting messages fromthe unknown caller.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
How the fuck?
Ok, you're using, using appsyou're using like burner phones.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yes, it was an app generator or app number
generator, so every single timethis unknown number would come
through it was a differentnumber caller so it it like to
block them.
It just becomes a job.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
So and there, was a child, like you're trying to do
your thing at school and thenbeing and then you know, you
know, here's your math testbeing you know here's.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Here's what you need to do in social studies or
whatever, english or whateverbeing being and then these, the
parents are trying to take thephone and the kids are fighting
them on it because, yeah,they've got their friends.
And why would you?
You know it?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
it's just, it's so much, and they were even like
grouping together, like parentswere like let's just take all
the kids as far as other kidsinvolved who were actually
trying to do, like little baby,investigative work.
Yeah, so I feel like there weresome people that were kind of
teaming up.
They were trying to figure thisout too.
This whole community wasdestroyed, just destroyed, a
whole fucking community abouttext messages.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
So it's not Chloe, it's not Adriana.
So then you know it's time toget the FBI involved.
So FBI comes in and he does thework.
Like Sheriff Maine, he's donewhat he could with his small
town resources.
They're like.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
So this guy's a specialist that just knows like
data and DNA're like.
So this guy's a specialist thatjust knows like data and DNA,
like all the all the parts where, where it comes into play with
like text messages and to tofind it down all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
And he's finding out an IP address where all these
messages are coming from.
And you can literally watch onthe screen and this goes, and
that's when I stopped and I uh,well, I recorded Jesse.
Literally watch on the screenand this goes.
And that's when I stopped and Iuh, well, I recorded jesse's
reaction she did, she got me itgoes back to kendra lakari, who
is lauren's mother.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Lauren's mother the own child's mother that was
being harassed.
Her fucking mom did that shitand what.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
And they gaslit us the whole time because lauren's
mom is in this fuckingdocumentary and so I defended, I
defend, I was like you know,she just looks like okay.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So they're showing all these people and they're
building the whole narrative,right, they're building this
whole fucking thing I'll let yougo the whole documentary and
I'm just like well, she justlooks like she's just a farm
working mom, you know, becausethis is all you know it looks
like agricultural farm type andI already know rural area.
I'm fucking mad and I was likelindsey, she just, and she's
like no, she looks like what'dyou?
(17:02):
What'd you call her?
What'd you call her?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
well, the internet world.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
We're calling her quasimodo, yeah, okay is that
what the internet world callshere?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
okay, honestly, I don't even want to insult, I
wasn't trying.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I was just like okay, because there's a lot of
beautiful people here that likeeven the kids they had eyelashes
and shit done.
You could tell.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
And then there's some money and I was like I am
really glad that I don't havegirls because, yeah, we would be
broke, jesse, with having toget them, and I brought it to a
light, but it's still, yeah,$100 a fucking week or something
in eyelash work Having to getthem lash extensions.
I'm the only female in thishouse, so I'm the only bougie
one here, as you can see, but Ido these myself 14, 15,
(17:42):
16-year-olds and they all havelike hundreds of dollars a week
in cosmetics just because theywant to look cute.
I mean they're clean cut.
You know they take care ofthemselves it was a really good
looking community.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Everybody looked like they had some money.
Maybe they're living out theirmeans, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Actually, they were living out their means because
Well, kendra was a fucking liar,not only was she sending
horrible, derogatory, vile,diabolical texts to her daughter
and her daughter's boyfriend?
She has also.
So the police are like they'vepinpointed her.
They come in, they come to thehouse.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
All of them came from one phone, her.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Body cam footage.
She comes into the house.
I'm hydrating.
I got water.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Drink water, drink anything, fuck, we got got it.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
They come into the house body cam footage.
They let they basically tellher bitch, we know, we know why.
What are you doing?
Are you infatuated?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
and she's all like.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Well, to start with, it wasn't me I don't believe
that, because they can't findanybody else that it was linked
to but her, and then they bringthe daughter in from the pool.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
right, she's just hanging out at the pool, so she
comes in, you know, in a towel,just wrapped up.
Why wouldn't she arrest?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
them.
I was crying.
They had the fucking Lawrenceright off the ring.
I was crying oh my God, I'm outof everything over here.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I know, hey, keep talking.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I'm going to, hey, keep talking.
I'm gonna go get my fuckingnoshy nosh over there and um so
so lauren comes in, while thepolice.
So here's here's.
Here's kendra the mother, theevil fucking mother.
Here's lauren.
The police are telling laurenwhat's going on.
Hey, your mom has been doingthis the whole time, kendra,
she's here, she's trying to hugon her.
I'm screaming.
(19:30):
Don't you fucking touch her,don't you fucking put your.
I'm mad, I'm so pissed off.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I had to bring Jackie O'Daniel.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Then they call Sean the father.
We haven't talked about him yet.
Sean is the father.
They tell Sean hey, we're sorryto tell you this, but we're
here at your house.
We found out that your wife isthe motherfucker that's been
sending your daughter and theseother kids these text messages.
So he rushes home.
Come to find out when he getshome.
(19:59):
This bitch has been lying aboutworking for a year period.
She's been working, beingemployed From two jobs From two
Having a job because this poorman just comes home and gives
her his paycheck.
She manages the finances.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
we gotta, we gotta, stop that so if you're a police
officer, you have full-on searchwarrants to this caliber of
conviction.
Do not let the daughter come inthere.
She has been manipulated to thepoint.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I was so mad.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
She's still bad.
You can love your mom after shedoes such a thing to you, but
do not let them be part of thewhole prosecution process.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
She should have been talked to separately, In my
opinion.
I don't know how that goes.
I don't know how that works.
Hey, she's a victim.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
You did this.
She's putting you in handcuffs.
We're going to bring youdowntown and we're going to talk
this shit out.
Her husband showed up found outall that shit.
Not only does he find out thathis wife.
You don't get the right to dothat in a living room where
you're trying to talk this shitout and everybody's destroyed
right in front of you in thisfucking horrific.
It's terrible Lindsay.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Not only does Sean find out that his wife has been
textually harassing his daughterbut that she's also put them in
financial ruin, if you know.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
but if you don't know , you don't fucking know,
because this is.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
But that's probably also why all of these people
agreed to do this documentary,especially Lauren's family,
because they were broke afterKendra put them in financial
ruin.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
But how does this cunt get some fucking money from
Netflix?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
at the end of this, I know she did she did, so she
spends what like a year and ahalf in prison.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Well, that's not shit .
She should have spent 14 yearsin prison, because that's how
long it's going to take for herto get over.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
This is what we need to rant and write at dawn about.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, you fisting in the air I got my fucking just
for fucking, freaking, fucking.
This is what I was doing, yes,and this you were, and it's been
June Lucari, and I woke up.
Well, no, I didn't wake up.
I was awake the whole time, butI was tired as fuck.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
And that woke him up.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, when he was like what so anyways, you made
me feel like Alex the Terrible.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
So we need to ride at dawn?
Why this bitch doesn't registryattached to her conviction?
Why doesn't she have toregister as a there you go?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
because the big p word because she had an
infatuation with her daughter'sfucking boyfriend and she was
kind of and he even said it inthe doc dude, he even said it.
She don't dude, he even said itshe doted on him.
She would reach out and be likebaby, you're okay and touch
women, period.
If a woman comes up to you andshe's like, hey, how you doing,
(23:01):
and she wants to touch just this, that right there there's a
infatuation.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
He said that she would cut up his steak.
Children don't know thatthere's children.
Children don't know thatthere's children.
I don't cut up their steak.
No, now I have Okay In the past.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Lindsay, if you cut up one of our boys' friends'
steak in front of me.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
If one of our kids come over here and you cut up
their steak in front of me, whatam I going to think?
First of all, I would never.
Your friend can cut up yoursteak if you need your steak cut
up.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Are you a baby?
Yeah, if my wife or anybody andI don't know if that happened,
because the husband, he was kindof oblivious, brought his
whole- check home.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, bless his heart man.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Jumped it in front of this woman that was
manipulating everybody in thefamily.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
My heart just goes out.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Sean and Lauren man, y'all are in.
I watched the video the otherday, just like yesterday.
I watched the video and he'splaying with his daughter and
they're just like he has thisgenuine love.
That is just their connectionand you know, I love you and all
this stuff.
But you could tell that themother was just forefronting
(24:17):
every bit of manipulation.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
And this bitch had the nerve to smile through this
documentary Like are you fucking?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
kidding me.
Maybe I'm the bad guy, but I'mlike what?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
It compares what she did to Okay, drunk driving is
not cool, but crimes are notcool, period.
But no, ma'amam, you don't getto put anything, no, in the
category of what you did.
You made torturing yourdaughter and her friends and her
ex-boyfriend your full-time jobbecause your ass wasn't going
to work, you weren't makingmoney for your family job was
(24:49):
harassing harassing.
You were harassing people asyour full time job, while you're
lying to your family abouthaving a job like wow, wow, you
know what I mean the saddestpart to me is I still don't
think that it has sunk in forLauren the damage that her own
(25:14):
mother has done to her.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I don't think that it has sunk in for Lauren the
damage that her own mother hasdone to her.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
No, I don't think, cause I mean, honestly, like I
said, when I went on, when Iwent, when I watched it the
first time, I already knew theoutcome.
I already knew who the villainwas.
It didn't sink in for me.
It didn't sink in for me thatthis woman, that this mother
that was a part of thisdocumentary from the beginning,
was the one doing this to herown child.
What is wrong?
(25:38):
How?
I can't wrap my head around it.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
It's like you have to disassociate that because you
can't believe it.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
But you watched it all unfold and Lauren and Jesse
said she's going to grow up andshe ain't going to have shit to
do with her mother or worse, andwe don't want to go into and I
don't, I don't, yeah, not tryingto manifest anything into the
world, I am not.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
We hope there's got to be a release but I mean I
hope it's healthy.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I hope it's healthy but at the same time, like she
was talking to her mother whileshe's I mean, it's hard.
My boys have went through thesame thing with their biological
father before they just brokeaway.
It took them until they weregrown, and this girl is still a
teenager but how many times doyou have to?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
pull over on the side of the road and scream at
nature.
How many times do you have togo into a field and ball your
eyes out and let it loose, or inthe shower, or in the shower,
or in a pillow, or wherever yougot to go to release it?
Speaker 2 (26:40):
in the, in the, in the, in the washing machine as
I'm loading up laundry what isthat point that's going to bring
satisfaction, satisfaction,satisfaction, satisfaction,
satisfaction.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
all the cations in the actions, anyhow, what's
going to fully reset a humanbeing whenever they're trying to
come into adulthood and havehad to have seen all of that?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
What we want to say, what Jesse and I want to say is
it don't?
Matter who the fuck they are toyou, if they have hurt you, if
they have tried to destroy youis it don't matter who the fuck
they are to you.
If they have hurt you, if theyhave tried to destroy you, you
don't need them.
It doesn't matter if they'reyour mother, father, brother,
sister, cousin, uncle, aunt,grandfather, grandmother.
Cut them off in any.
You don't need that age bracketthere's no, coming back from
(27:28):
something like that, that womantold her daughter to kill
herself.
Yeah, multiple times, multipleshe pointed out horrible,
horrible insecurities of her andand I mean I'm not kidding you,
the binder is this thick oftext messages text messages that
this vile woman sent to her oldchild.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Some one-liners, some paragraphs, 50 times a day.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
There's a guy that I follow on TikTok who said what I
was thinking.
He said you know, after thereveal that it was Kendra
Netflix gaslit, you and you wereoverreacting because it was
just downplayed.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
And then gave her a big-ass platform at the fucking
end.
Sorry, netflix, I think you gotthat wrong.
You should have painted her alittle bit more fucking dirty.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Jesse wrote little notes out and this is the word
that he has written andunderlined.
You can't read it, but it sayscunt yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Well, I didn't want to drop it, but I had it in my
notes but I didn't want to dropit.
But I had it my notes but Ididn't want to drop it.
I mean, I'll drop that fuckingc word if I need to.
Can I drop the cunt word?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
she was a fucking cunt, lindsey and but, and me
and my besties in our group textthis morning we were discussing
it.
Uh, my bestie erin, her wife,finally watched it.
Uh, yeah, the rest of it thismorning or last night, I'm sorry
.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Ongoing viral thing but, oh, yeah, but like so.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I was like soon as because, Erin, she already knew
the outcome as well, but I waslike let us know when Morgan
finishes it.
I want to know her reaction.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Where's it at it even took Morgan.
Did it happen?
Where's her reaction?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Morgan did not accept it at first either, because how
do you accept that a motherlike it took Morgan a minute to
to really grasp?
Because you have value in yourparents.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
wait, you have some really doing this, like she
didn't accept the fact, andthat's the same as her.
She had value in her fuckingmom and because her mom would be
like hey, baby, I love you somuch.
I hope you have a great day.
You're so beautiful.
See you, to see you later on.
And so let's plug dante.
Can we do dante now, becausethat's the point where I wanted
to get to the whole time.
I'm only on this screen to doDante on this one.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
We did.
We did.
What the hell Dante with aDante?
So we did plug this in ourprevious recap.
Um so Dante Elizabeth Jamesdoes a little skit of this.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
That's the only way we can fucking get over this.
I couldn't go to sleep.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I.
This is the only way we canfucking get over this.
I couldn't go to sleep.
I couldn't go to sleep afterthis.
You couldn't sleep and I waslike, alright, I'm going to pull
up my boy.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Don, I'm going to help you out right here.
And she did.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Look his skit up about this documentary.
You will laugh so fucking hard.
This is horrific, though, butyou will laugh so hard at him
Because it is he's one of myfavorite parts of tiktok man.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
It was literally just like what I said.
It was just like hey, baby, Ilove you so much, hope you have
a great day at school.
Fuck you, fucking bitch, youfucking motherfucker.
It was just like he turnsaround and it's red and it's the
red light, and his face is likethis all the it's like all the
praises and all thebeautifulness, all the fucking
control.
And what do we call that?
(30:34):
What?
do you call all that.
Tell me all the words that youcall all that, or what the mom
was doing to her daughter.
Tell me every single word,because I know people have all
these these words and you knowtechnical things okay, the stock
, the, the stockholm scenesyndrome, the um, just so many
different things that justreally happened.
(30:54):
So everybody labels all thesethings in different categories.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
It's a type of bullying and things like that.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
But there's so many fucking levels.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Because you're the only person to hate themselves.
Right which is what Laurenended up doing.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
There's so many levels of that, and we were
talking about that in a coupleof pods In our last pod too.
There's so many levels of that,and we were talking about that
in a couple pods in our last podtoo.
There's so many levels of that,you know, with you and your
horrific relationship and havingto, you know, be a single
mother, and then I stepped inand we did our thing.
You know, you know all thestuff.
There's levels of all of thatand nobody can pinpoint anything
(31:31):
to a full diagnosis of whateveryou want to label things.
No, you know, you can't.
If you think about it, in everysituation you can't.
And that's where she's at rightnow with her mom.
Her mom did her time, did her?
You know, she did the crime,did the time.
I don't think she was charged.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
And wanted to write it off as she was trying to save
her daughter for going what shewent through.
Yeah, fuck you, Kendra.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Oh, I know my daughter's not going to commit
suicide, so I'm just going totell her to fucking kill herself
For 11 months.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
No, it was 22.
22 months altogether.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
But the kill herself was like.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
there was like a big After she broke up with Owen we
won and sending her daughterpictures of her and Owen with
her like egg stout and like pukeemojis and shit over it Like
what.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, what Little memes and bullshit, just
constantly, constantly.
And this little girl.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Torture.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
She was still doing sports, she still had a great
support system at home.
Her dad.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Her dad was amazing.
No, the mom too.
She didn't know it, but her momis canceled.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yeah, but no, she would get home and have the
greatest support from her mom.
So good, yeah, back to Dante,back to the Heliante.
I love you so much.
I hope your game's going to beso amazing.
Don't worry about those.
The points that you scored inyour basketball game, you know,
and all that, and literallywould turn around in seconds and
(33:00):
then text her Fuck you, youflat fucking ass bitch Would you
flat test, flat ass I wish youwould kill yourself.
You only scored so much in agame Like are you kidding me?
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Never.
How do you even think thosethoughts in your head to tell
your little baby child that youbirthed?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I'm preoccupying myself by wrapping up this
because this is so horrific.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
So fucking.
But we're going to keep ourrecap short and we are 33
minutes in right now.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
So, yeah, I mean, we could go on for days about it,
watch the doc, follow us, though, because we have so much shit,
so much shit, and look at her,and look at her, and look at her
.
She's so fucking amazing.
How am I Look at the contrastover here?
Wait a minute.
And you say you're CaucasianFuck you.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
You're not so make sure that you have listened to
part one of David Parker RayPart two will be out Friday and
also watch this documentary.
If you want to be mad, if youwant to release some anger,
watch this documentary, becauseit'll help you.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, and make sure you have plenty of air that you
can punch If you think you're abad mom, watch this documentary.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
I bet you you're doing 99% better than this bitch
.
Yeah, period, period you makeme feel like I was the best
mother in the entire world.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
And I judge myself really hard.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
We judge ourselves, but that's how we keep striving
to be better, striving to bebetter.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
You know, we will never be Kendra Licari.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
No, and we will see you guys Friday.
Well, friday.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
We will see you on video next week's thing.
We'll see you around Sure.
To recap, david Parker Ray.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, and I'm not excited.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
No, don't say excited .
No.
No, I'm fucking horrified.
Already he's horrified, but Igot to pee.
We got to wrap this up, okay.
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