October 15, 2025 • 32 mins
A leather mask, a clink of cans, and a key turning in a famous front door—our night at the Lizzie Borden house started playful and got serious fast. We walk you room by room through Fall River’s most talked‑about address, balancing the eerie staging with the ordinary rhythm of a B&B: check‑in chatter, locals with big hearts, and a neighbor who opens the shop just to tell stories. The trip becomes a prism for the case itself, where small details—window washing, a handkerchief, a door latch—matter more than legend.
We revisit 1892 with clear eyes: Andrew’s frugality, Abby’s background, adult daughters navigating status and independence, and Bridget’s place in a home that called her by the last maid’s name. The illness that sweeps the house is likely spoiled mutton, not poison, yet fear sets the stage for two killings hours apart. From morphine to caffeine, from a chaotic search to a trial that boiled skulls and paraded them in court, the investigation shows how limited tools warp outcomes. We pull apart the stubborn question—how could anyone inflict that much damage without wearing the blood?—and weigh the possibilities without forcing a neat answer.
Along the way, we examine how media shapes memory. A detour into Ryan Murphy’s Ed Gein series sparks a frank talk about accuracy, empathy, and why production flair can both illuminate and mislead. After acquittal, Lizzie buys Maplecroft, hosts parties, and endures a rhyme that gets the facts wrong but wins the culture anyway. Standing in those rooms, we find less haunting than history—and a reminder that catchy stories often outlive careful ones.
Press play to explore the real timeline, the class and gender dynamics, the missing forensics, and the way travel puts you closer to truth. If this conversation grabs you, follow the show, share it with a friend, and drop your verdict in the comments—what detail convinced you most?
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SPEAKER_01 (00:01):
Hey Jesse.
Hey.
Hey, uh, hey.
Hello.
SPEAKER_00 (00:07):
I think I can have my headphones on.
I'm gonna take this off first,but hey, we're in October.
And in honor of Edgeen, ooh, Idon't should I say that?
I don't want to get canceled.
Okay, so in um Not in honor.
Here we go.
We're wearing Silas's uh thismakes you want to do the little
(00:30):
tongue thing.
We're wearing Silas'sleatherface uh mask just for a
few seconds here.
We are October we are inOctober.
And we gotta be goofy and scaryfor just a minute.
And then we're gonna take theseoff.
This is raw, uncut, andunedited.
Jesse, what you drinking?
SPEAKER_01 (00:48):
Um something vista bay that we had in the fridge.
I hadn't even popped it yet, uh.
SPEAKER_00 (00:54):
I am also I'm having a lime vista bay in this really
pretty Jesse puppy.
SPEAKER_02 (01:00):
So pretty.
SPEAKER_00 (01:02):
Okay, I got a master coming off.
SPEAKER_01 (01:05):
I might leave mine on, dude.
I feel like I fit in the parhere.
Hang on.
Hang on there, huh?
Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (01:13):
I think I just ripped off my eyelash.
SPEAKER_01 (01:16):
William Eyelash.
William Defoe Eyelash the third.
SPEAKER_00 (01:20):
Alright, so now here we go.
There we go.
SPEAKER_01 (01:25):
I mean, I feel like goofy here.
I feel like a goofy goober here.
It's kinda cool, man.
SPEAKER_00 (01:32):
Kind of goofy goobers.
SPEAKER_01 (01:34):
Kind of cool goofy.
SPEAKER_00 (01:35):
I don't know if I'm gonna be able to wear a hat with
my headphones on.
Can you hear me, sir?
SPEAKER_01 (01:45):
I ain't hearing nothing, but I don't care.
SPEAKER_00 (01:47):
Alright.
You need to take that offbecause we got a 30-minute
episode to record here.
SPEAKER_01 (01:54):
Okay.
Alright.
SPEAKER_00 (01:56):
I don't think this is gonna work with headphones.
SPEAKER_01 (01:58):
Lindsay wanted to play.
SPEAKER_00 (01:59):
Yeah.
I can't hear you or myself.
SPEAKER_01 (02:02):
Hang on.
SPEAKER_00 (02:03):
Let's get the sound adjusted now that we've uh good.
SPEAKER_01 (02:06):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (02:07):
Here, give me him.
Give me him.
SPEAKER_01 (02:10):
Okay.
I can hear myself now.
Okay.
I couldn't hear fuck.
SPEAKER_00 (02:13):
Here, Silas.
Come grab these.
We're doing put them back in themannequin head.
This is uh getting information.
Well, um first of all, themannequin heads are right over
here.
SPEAKER_01 (02:26):
To say Ed Gean.
So I think when you say Edgeenand you'll go.
SPEAKER_00 (02:30):
I can't hear.
I can't hear me.
I can't hear me.
SPEAKER_01 (02:34):
What about now?
SPEAKER_00 (02:36):
Uh hello, hello.
Can y'all hear me?
Uh you're not gonna answer.
No, they can.
Yeah.
So here we go.
There you go.
Witch goofing.
SPEAKER_01 (02:46):
Which witch boof gootin.
Is that good?
SPEAKER_00 (02:50):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (02:50):
Your your audio is right.
SPEAKER_00 (02:52):
My audio is right.
Okay.
I can see.
I'm pretty sure I pulled offhalf production.
It's a production.
You can't see my face thatclose.
Yeah.
So it's a production.
Yeah.
Welcome to uh Drunk AboutSomething.
Raw, unedited, and uncut recap.
And today we're gonna recapLizzie Borden.
SPEAKER_01 (03:11):
Oh, that that was the place that we stayed at the
thing that you made me do.
SPEAKER_00 (03:15):
And you made me recap our whole uh vacay on our
next video.
Um, but Jesse.
Yeah, so I told him that we weregonna cover Lizzie Borden in
Lizzie Borden's house, and hebooked it, did the whole thing,
had no idea what happened inthat home.
SPEAKER_01 (03:36):
And it was it was really hard to not pay attention
to all the stuff that was justcascaded upon my own.
SPEAKER_00 (03:43):
Well, when you walk in, because you gotta oh my god,
you gotta check in in theevening.
So when you walk in, um it looksjust pretty much like a a spooky
bed and breakfast, but until yousee the bodies hanging out.
There's a couple of them.
(04:06):
Jesse.
Jesse sat right by Andrew.
He he did know.
How did you feel?
How did you feel about that,sir?
SPEAKER_01 (04:20):
Lancy.
What?
Why?
Did we okay?
You loved it.
I did.
I had a great time.
I did.
I did.
So we showed up a little earlybefore check-in time.
It was like six o'clock.
And we went next door, which wasthat I was like, dude, we gotta
talk to this guy next door.
And it was closed, but he openedup and he's like, come on in,
(04:42):
you know, and talk and told usabout so many cool things.
And then he's like, there's aPortuguese restaurant over here.
You need to go do that.
And I was like, Portuguese food,dude?
I'm down.
SPEAKER_00 (04:52):
Fall River Grill.
So good.
Ask for Natalia.
SPEAKER_01 (04:56):
So good.
And and and everybody's like,dude.
Like my sister and then Lindsaywas like, Look at these girls,
they got, they're they're sobeautiful.
And I was like, Yeah, and I wasand then I started doing the
cake thing.
I was like, look at all thecake.
SPEAKER_00 (05:08):
And Lindsay's like, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:11):
Lindsay's like pointing out the cake.
SPEAKER_00 (05:12):
But I liked it.
SPEAKER_01 (05:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:14):
Um, but at the same time, we don't want to objectify
women.
SPEAKER_01 (05:17):
We didn't.
SPEAKER_00 (05:18):
No.
SPEAKER_01 (05:18):
I don't think we did.
SPEAKER_00 (05:19):
No, she was super nice, super sweet.
SPEAKER_01 (05:21):
Beautiful, beautiful, nice people.
And the food was amazing.
And I did flirt a little bit soI could get a long island iced
tea.
To go.
And I told I told Lindsay, I waslike, I know this isn't cool for
me to say this, but I'm gonnasay this.
I'm gonna be like kind of justgoof booting a little bit, you
know.
And so I was like, you know,Long Island Iced tea, that'd be
cool if you can do one to go.
(05:42):
And she's like, okay, that'sokay.
And it was really cool.
Really cool.
We got done eating, and then wecame back and checked into
Lizzie's.
SPEAKER_00 (05:52):
I'm sorry, I had to turn off these the vibration
because it was buzzing on thecounter.
Checked in, got up into theroom, you know, everything
loaded in, and Lindsay's like,don't walk around, don't look at
shit, don't blah blah blah, andI'm like, Because there was
crime scene photos and thingslike that that he could see, and
I was like, I gotta tell youthis story before you explore
(06:12):
the house.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:13):
But we had already kind of we had to walk through
the living room and the or thesetting area and all that.
So there's a couch, and I'm justlike hanging out, and there's
like this mannequin thing alllaid over.
Like, you know, I'm like,Lindsay, what am I doing here?
SPEAKER_00 (06:25):
And if you uh follow us on Instagram, I did post that
video yesterday.
Yeah, yesterday.
Yeah, Friday, October 10th.
SPEAKER_01 (06:32):
Uh so I didn't know.
And and then we went upstairsand then you destroyed me.
Destroyeth.
You met some cool people theretoo?
unknown (06:41):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:41):
Oh my gosh.
Everybody's like-minded, likethey're having fun, and she's
telling the story.
Well, tell the story a littlebit.
SPEAKER_00 (06:50):
Well, one couple that um was there, we'll say we
had just came from Salem to FallRiver, and then they were
leaving Fall River to go toSalem.
So, like, and uh Silas actuallybefriended that couple, they
were super sweet.
They did the they did thebreakfast package.
I think they were the only ones.
SPEAKER_02 (07:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:09):
Because we just went next door to the coffee shop,
and um, I'm gonna talk aboutthese uh panic attacks more in
our vacation recap.
But due to panic attacks I hadhad, I was limiting my caffeine
and I was really sad because Iwanted to try some of their
coffee.
But I did get a cranberry orangemuffin, it was delicious.
Silas got chocolate chip.
(07:30):
What did you get?
Did you get coffee?
SPEAKER_01 (07:34):
Yeah, I got a coffee from there, and that was it.
SPEAKER_00 (07:36):
And then um sister-in-law got one of their
croissants and said it was thebest, flakiest croissant she had
ever had.
So she got she got a croissantsandwich.
But okay, so recapping Lizzie.
Hold on, we gotta get the boyout of the room.
Bye.
SPEAKER_01 (07:55):
Your what?
He's looking for his cup.
SPEAKER_00 (07:57):
Oh, you put it in the fridge.
Your oogie boogie?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:07):
You know what's funny?
The mask that we were wearing,Silas knows all about.
SPEAKER_02 (08:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:12):
That's kind of funny.
And the the you know, the thebad part about it is we didn't
lead him to that.
He found all this on his own.
He just could not get away fromit.
He was his infatuation.
SPEAKER_00 (08:22):
Oh, and he has the best time when we take him to
horror cons.
SPEAKER_01 (08:25):
Well, okay, we led him to that.
SPEAKER_00 (08:27):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
But I mean, we took yeah, wedid, we did the we did one by
ourselves and then we took himto three more.
SPEAKER_01 (08:33):
Yeah, and growing up, these kids like, I mean, we
ran hot at houses andeverything, so we were around
all this stuff.
Yes.
But like, as far as portrayingall the movies and all the
things, he kind of justgravitated toward it anyhow.
SPEAKER_00 (08:44):
He's been obsessed with Halloween masks since he
was in diapers.
I literally have a YouTube videoout there of him running around
in his pull-up and a clown mask.
SPEAKER_01 (08:54):
Yeah, we called him Silas of the Lambs.
SPEAKER_00 (08:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:58):
That was the video.
SPEAKER_00 (08:59):
Silas of the Lambs.
Another Ed Gean.
So, first of all, before we diveoff into um Lizzie, real quick,
you guys comment on this videoand tell us what you think about
uh Ryan Murphy's monster umseries about Ed Gean.
We're conflicted because a lotof it is inaccurate, but we're
(09:22):
very impressed with theproduction and how he tied in
Alfred Hitchcock, AlfredHitchcock, and then the guy that
made, I don't even I didn'tcatch his name, and I'm I should
know this, but the guy who madeTexas Chainsaw Massacre and then
the whole Buffalo Bill.
So tell tell us what y'allthought about the series.
(09:43):
Um I did see that a lot ofpeople were on my level about Ed
Gean and were um conflictedabout their sympathy towards
him.
And I felt that I felt seen, Ifelt heard because I do.
And and I and I I know he didterrible things, but I I do, I I
(10:06):
I have a lot of sympathy forthat man and um doesn't excuse
what he did.
Um don't feel bad about that.
I don't, you know, I don'tsympathize with that part, but I
sympathize with the way that hewas raised and um the isolation
that he can that he just dealtwith his whole life.
(10:27):
I I really sympathize with that.
SPEAKER_01 (10:29):
For any uh historical nostalgia type things
myself to hang on to.
I I kind of wish it was a littlebit more accurate, but at the
same time, if I wouldn't haveknown the things it wouldn't
have mattered so much, you know?
SPEAKER_00 (10:40):
Yeah, a lot of things were accurate, um, but a
lot were not.
SPEAKER_01 (10:45):
So from an outside perspective, I think it fits
everybody, whether you know thehistory on it or not.
So it's it's a good, it was itwas a good, it was a good watch
to watch that.
And then check out the the thethe pod that we did too.
SPEAKER_00 (10:57):
So absolutely.
Ours is accurate.
It's accurate as I I got most ofmy information from the book by
Harold Schechter Deviant, and hehe does a really good job um
with with putting historicalfacts into his books and making
them very accurate.
So now on to Lizzie.
(11:17):
So we're just gonna we're gonnastart um in 1892 when everything
happened.
So Andrew, he is um a very wellthe Bordens like period were a
prominent family in Fall River.
They uh Andrew owned a lot ofbusinesses, had a lot of rental
(11:38):
properties, and other realestate endeavors.
And then he marries Abby, um,who came from after uh his first
wife passed away, which wasLizzie and Emma's mother.
Abby also belonged to one of theother very rich families in
town.
And um for most of their lives,Emmy uh Emma and Lizzie called
(12:03):
Abby mother, and then a few acouple of I don't know if it was
a couple of years or a year orso before the murders happened,
um Lizzie started calling herMrs.
Borden because Andrew had givenher family a rental property and
was helping them outfinancially, and her and Emma
(12:26):
both did not like that.
SPEAKER_01 (12:29):
So some of that like it didn't really feel like you
were trying to put seeds in ininto an explanation or a motive
behind any of that because itjust seemed like family stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (12:40):
It was family shit.
All families have strikes.
SPEAKER_01 (12:42):
And they had their rental property and he sold it
to them for like a dollar andthen it wasn't working out for
them.
And we talk about all that.
And you know, then then he gotit back, right?
SPEAKER_00 (12:51):
Yeah, he bought it back from them for like almost
double its value.
Yeah.
So they have money.
They have money in the bank.
SPEAKER_01 (12:58):
Um But at this time they're they're spinsters, so
they're older women.
SPEAKER_00 (13:02):
Yes, yeah, they are 40 and 30.
Emma's 40.
Emma's 40 and Lizzie is 32.
That is well beyond the age ofmarriage for a Victorian-era
woman.
SPEAKER_01 (13:16):
So I don't feel like I don't feel like he you know
their dad was holding on toanything, wishing that he had
made an empire like by you know,a marriage or something, because
that was that was a big thingthroughout history where you
know, hey, my daughter can marrythis guy and we can be even
richer and we have more stuff.
He was already, you know,prominently successful.
They were millionaires for thetime.
SPEAKER_00 (13:38):
You know, they in in today's Oh, he was a legit
millionaire.
I mean, well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Today's money hit what he hadwould have equaled multi-million
dollars.
SPEAKER_01 (13:48):
So that he was fine with his daughters living there.
They're just older, and they'rethey have family stuff.
It didn't seem like there wasanything deep-seated for for her
to be able to do that.
SPEAKER_00 (13:59):
And they had they had separate lives.
Uh, Emma and Lizzie did theirown thing, Abby and Andrew did
their own thing, and uh thenthey had the maid.
Like I said, I thought this wasreally shitty.
Her name was Bridget, but theycalled her Maggie because that
was the name of the previousmaid, and I think that's really
shitty.
Like she had her own name, shehad her own identity, but there
(14:23):
was a lot of people like thatback in the day.
SPEAKER_01 (14:26):
They they looked at maids as yeah, a little snobby
there.
SPEAKER_00 (14:29):
They looked at maids as just people but like, you
know.
Help.
Yeah, they were just the help.
They were the help.
Um, I that and that made methink of um, we're watching um
Blood of My Blood, which is aspin-off of Outlander, and she
says that.
She's like, I can go with you.
I'm just the help.
(14:50):
You have to watch it to see it,but um, what was her name?
Julia says, uh, I'm the help, Iwon't even get noticed.
And that's yeah, that's how itwas.
But so uh before the murdershappen in the home, um, Emma and
Lizzie have gone away.
(15:10):
Lizzie was back home, Emma wasnot, and then Uncle John comes
to town.
And uh Uncle John, I don't know,it wasn't Uncle John.
So Andrew and Abby get reallysick.
Andrew and Abby get really sicka couple of times.
Abby feels that the family isgetting poisoned because Andrew
(15:33):
has enemies in town.
The doctor's like, no, you'reeating food that should have
been thrown out because uhAndrew was too cheap.
I can't I'm at home now.
Andrew is too cheap.
SPEAKER_01 (15:45):
Oh, and I wasn't supposed to say that shit, but I
did.
Yeah.
While we were there.
Why is that a thing?
You're not supposed to say itwhile you're there.
If you guys go, don't say thecheap word, right?
SPEAKER_00 (15:56):
Right, yeah.
Don't don't call him cheap whileyou're there.
Say he was frugal.
But why is that?
You're not gonna be.
Well, because you don't want toin you don't want to invoke
Andrew's spirit, make him mad,you know.
SPEAKER_01 (16:06):
You couldn't bring Ouija boards there.
SPEAKER_00 (16:08):
But people did have spirit boxes downstairs.
SPEAKER_01 (16:12):
They were walking around doing tours like in the
house, like up till like 12o'clock or something that night.
Walking around, they had theirwhole things, or is it somebody
want to talk to me?
B, beep, beep beep.
And I was all like, this iscrazy, this is cool.
This is I watched them for aminute, but I was like, I'm kind
of creep back and like lettingthem do their thing, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (16:30):
And I just gotta say, I slept like an absolute
baby in that house.
Now we had had some drinks, andI did take my Ashwagonda, but I
felt no, I felt zero bad energyin that home.
None.
SPEAKER_01 (16:43):
And we were on the road so much before that.
Our real break was was Manhattanbecause we had two days, yeah,
like two days stop in Manhattan.
We'll talk about that too inanother video.
Yeah.
The recap of the trip that we'regonna do.
That's gonna be cool.
SPEAKER_00 (16:58):
That was a weird sound.
SPEAKER_01 (17:00):
It was a whistle.
That's a cool cup.
Co-worker of mine made that.
SPEAKER_00 (17:04):
It is a very cool cup, and the lid is like bubbly
and bedazzled.
It's really cool, and theglitter moves.
SPEAKER_01 (17:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:10):
But anyway, so they're sick, they feel like
they've been poisoned.
Doctor says, No, you just gottastop eating this leftover food.
Like they left fish out, I thinkit was swordfish, and ate it.
Like, without any preservation,without any refrigeration.
It's not good.
Um, they had eaten mutton stewthat had been just on the stove,
(17:32):
just simmering for days.
SPEAKER_01 (17:34):
Nothing from nothing equals mutton.
SPEAKER_00 (17:37):
You gotta have mutton.
So then they all get they allget sick.
Um, but Lizzie and Bridget getmildly ill compared to Andrew
and Abby's like hurling in thebackyard, okay?
Then Uncle John comes to town,he stays one night, and then he
goes off early the next morning,goes and runs some errands, and
(17:59):
uh then Abby she gets off with ahatchet.
And then um about an hour and ahalf after her death, Andrew
comes home for lunch.
He went out, he went to workthat day, he came home for
lunch, and he wanted a littlenap.
(18:20):
And then uh then he gets offed.
SPEAKER_01 (18:23):
And might I add horrifically.
SPEAKER_00 (18:25):
Oh, his face.
I do say it in the episode it'shamburger.
SPEAKER_01 (18:29):
It's she showed me the pictures of it, and we
talked about all that, andLizzie was just doing home
stuff, like just she wentoutside, she was checking out
some some fishing lures, right?
And she picked a pair and sheironed a handkerchief.
She was washing the windowsoutside, so people weren't
(18:49):
inside the house, they weredoing stuff, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (18:51):
Well, Bridget had been instructed by Abby she
wanted the windows washed insideand out.
So that's what Abby was doing.
I mean, uh Bridget was doingthat morning, and probably
pissed off about it because shewas sick, she was sick as a dog.
And when Andrew came home forhis little nap, uh Lizzie had
told her, or Andrew, one of thetwo had told her it was okay for
(19:14):
her to go lay down because shewas still ill and she had done
washed all the windows in thehouse.
And I was there.
There's a lot of windows.
Uh lot.
If you're sick, that ain't fun.
So, like, no, no sooner had likeAndrew had just got home, 10
minutes later, Bridget's layingher head down, and bam, she
hears Lizzie screaming, comehelp.
(19:35):
Father's been hurt.
Yeah, somebody came in andkilled him.
SPEAKER_01 (19:39):
Called the doctor to come over.
SPEAKER_00 (19:41):
Called the doctor to come over, and Lizzie was
hysterical.
Um, you know, some reports willsay that she was just
nonchalant.
Well, that was because Dr.
Bowen gave her morphine.
SPEAKER_01 (19:53):
Well, if you had seen the horrific sight that she
had seen, I mean, she was blowedup.
I mean, completely.
SPEAKER_00 (20:00):
I wouldn't know what and her wording is very strange
to me too.
Um, because I probably, like,especially Victorian-era women,
I'm surprised she didn't faintat the sight of his face.
Yeah.
It's terrible.
Like one of his eyes was choppedin half.
Um, but Dr.
Bowen gave her morphine to calmher nerves, and then caffeine
(20:24):
powder to keep her alert forquestioning by the police.
SPEAKER_01 (20:28):
Yeah, that's the whole up and down, in and out
situation, and then you'retrying to put together all the
questions that are braided ontop of you.
SPEAKER_00 (20:36):
Like, what were you doing?
SPEAKER_01 (20:37):
Where were you at?
It did seem shady.
You know, we talked about allthe questioning and what she was
talking about, and eventuallyled up to her being accused of
it, right?
SPEAKER_00 (20:48):
Yes, because they could not well, actually, they
could.
There was people that cameforward and admitted to it, and
they had dismissed them.
Um then so basically, becausenow Emma's home, now Uncle
John's back, and Bridget andLizzie are all suspects.
And because Bridget said thatLizzie had been at the top of
(21:13):
the stairs when Andrew came homelaughing, I think that that was
um one of the key points of heraccu of her being accused, of
her being like, they were like,you did it.
SPEAKER_01 (21:29):
I think it was more hysteria, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (21:31):
That too.
Oh god, like that there were uhover a thousand people gathered
outside their house in withinhours just hanging out there,
like angry mob.
Like John tried to leave againand he couldn't.
Like he it was just not safe toleave the house.
People were bored, they theydidn't have much to do back in
uh the 1890s.
So Lizzie gets tried.
I don't want to put every singledetail in there because I do
(21:54):
want you guys to listen to thefull episode.
Lizzie gets tried, and um, afterwhat was that?
Oh, a little over a year and acouple of months.
SPEAKER_01 (22:03):
Yeah, an amazing lawyer shows up and amazing
lawyer, got her acquitted.
Yes, got her acquitted, and thenthey sold all the stuff and got
the inheritance, her and hersister, and then bought a
beautiful home.
What was it called?
Maple Croft.
Maplecroft.
We should have, if we'd had moretime, so if you ever go up to
this bed and breakfast, it'sbeautiful.
(22:25):
Spend a little bit more timethan we did because there's so
much to do there, too.
SPEAKER_00 (22:28):
We were going to New York City the next day, and we
had a little drive.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:32):
In and out, but go to the coffee shop next next
door, and which was uh I think amurder happened there too.
SPEAKER_00 (22:39):
Yes, and we didn't get the history on that because
we were kind of groggy the nextday.
We had had some drinks the nightbefore so we could record
because you couldn't drink inthe house, so we had them
beforehand.
And um, oh, one thing we do wantto say about um I don't know if
it's all of Massachusetts, butin Fall River, you gotta go to a
liquor store to get seltzers.
SPEAKER_01 (23:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (23:01):
You cannot get them at a little corner store.
There's no alcohol there.
SPEAKER_01 (23:05):
That was crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (23:06):
We went to five.
Was it five total?
SPEAKER_01 (23:09):
Yeah, it was like, okay, here's another one.
Let's pull up here.
Maybe they'll have some seltzersor drinks or whatever.
Nothing.
It was crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (23:16):
Even a gas station, but nothing.
Like an actual, like, becausethey had like bodegas and then
they had gas stations.
But we had to go to the liquorstore, which was like not even
that big a deal.
It was like half a mile down theroad.
SPEAKER_01 (23:28):
So much on our trip that you know, you get cultured
a little bit on how the rest ofthe of the country is designed,
and you have to be as differentto that.
So Lindsay learned a lot too.
I mean, it was really cool.
And my sister, for sure.
We were we were looking at eachother and we were like, she
don't get out much.
SPEAKER_00 (23:47):
Yeah, we're a little bit more cultured.
Um, but I mean it still was anarea we've never been to.
SPEAKER_01 (23:52):
Yeah.
But beautiful.
I mean, everything was gorgeous,everybody was nice.
Um so do go to the coffee shopthough, next door.
SPEAKER_00 (24:00):
And go have chat, you know, go have Portuguese
food at Fall River Grill.
SPEAKER_01 (24:05):
Um check out, you know, you can go to the
gravesite, you can go to the theother house, maple cross, and
check out the scenery, some ofthe history, whatever.
And then you're you're rightnext to uh so much history, you
know.
It's it's amazing.
SPEAKER_00 (24:22):
It's a beautiful area with a beautiful river and
a beautiful bridge that I hatedgoing across because I have
anxiety, but it's stillbeautiful.
Um now, one thing, a couple ofthings I I had to make my our
episode and our coverage alittle shorter than I would have
liked to because of thesituation we were recording in.
Um but she had, I just want tosay she had a couple of uh
(24:46):
little Boston Terriers, and shelive she lived her life well, as
well as could be expected for aspinster um at her next house.
But there were mean little kidsthat would show up at her house
every day and sing the nurseryrhymes, um, which is Lizzie
(25:10):
Borden took an axe.
Is it killed her mom with 40 waxwhen she saw what she had done?
SPEAKER_01 (25:18):
Then she gave her father 41.
SPEAKER_00 (25:21):
I think that's the full, full, full rhyme.
Yeah, it's definitely not thatmany whacks, and it wasn't with
an axe.
SPEAKER_01 (25:28):
So you know for people to come up with something
like that.
I know it's so horrific, but andyou have to be around it, you
know.
I I would have left the townmyself, you know.
If I'd have been acquitted fromsomething that I was tried for,
I would have had to leave thetown.
unknown (25:40):
You know?
SPEAKER_00 (25:41):
Well, she she ended up because she wanted like I
said, Andrew was cheap.
They lived in a I mean, thattheir house was big, but it was
still modest compared to whatwhat the other wealthy lived
like in that area, and most ofthe wealthy lived on the hill,
and that's where she wanted togo, that's where she went, and
(26:01):
she had her dream home and umgatherings and parties,
gatherings, parties that richpeople would want to do, you
know.
SPEAKER_01 (26:10):
And we kind of do feel like there might have been
a relationship there too, whereuh she's gonna be.
SPEAKER_00 (26:15):
Oh, I I mean, I definitely uh she I mean,
there's rumors about Lizzieloving the ladies, and that's
okay if she did.
And I hope that she, I mean, youknow, it wasn't that was very
taboo back then, but I hope thatshe did what she wanted to do.
SPEAKER_02 (26:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (26:29):
Uh, because I I if y'all don't know yet, I don't
think that she did it.
Um, and if she did, um she had Idon't think she did it herself
whatsoever because there's youit's almost impossible.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (26:43):
You can't get what what happened off of you that
fast and then walk around andand talk to people about it.
I mean, even though she was onthe morphine and the caffeine
and all the fiends, butliterally um, yeah, you can't
undress, you can't hide that.
There's stuff going to be allover you because of how
(27:03):
horrific, you know, thesituation was.
SPEAKER_00 (27:06):
So yeah, because there was no she had no blood on
her.
Yeah.
She had not changed herclothing.
She like there was no blo therewas not a drop of blood on her
at all.
And the only blood that cameinto evidence was her
menstruation rags, because backin those days, you bled into
rags.
That's why it's called being onthe rag.
(27:27):
You bled into rags, you put themin a bucket, and you kept them
in the cellar.
SPEAKER_01 (27:30):
That should have been the end of that.
It shouldn't even have been inthe question, but they hung on
to that, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (27:34):
Well, they really didn't.
Um, they did bring it back up,but it was dismissed because men
don't like to talk about thatshit.
SPEAKER_01 (27:42):
I can hear the fizz on the page.
You can hear the fizz.
Crisp.
SPEAKER_00 (27:46):
Very crisp.
SPEAKER_01 (27:46):
Crispy.
SPEAKER_00 (27:47):
I'm going to raspberry now.
I'm putting it in my little cup.
But um, but I do agree withMarcus from last podcast on the
left.
Um, he says that nowadays, ifthat, you know, those those
menstruation rags would havebeen studied thoroughly.
SPEAKER_01 (28:04):
Yeah, to find out.
SPEAKER_00 (28:05):
To find out.
But and and also the the murderwould have been solved, but it's
not.
It's it's never been solved.
I feel like it too.
SPEAKER_01 (28:11):
Like within 15 minutes now, with the technology
now, it would have been solvedwithin 15, 20 minutes.
And it'd been like, no.
SPEAKER_02 (28:19):
Here it is.
SPEAKER_00 (28:20):
But her house was torn apart um in search of
evidence.
They did, I mean, they did a lotof work for their time.
I mean, a lot of work.
But the fingerprinting wasn't athing yet.
DNA wasn't a thing yet.
SPEAKER_01 (28:35):
And the crab pot bowling the head wasn't a thing.
SPEAKER_00 (28:38):
Oh my god.
So I didn't mention this in thestory either.
Um, so the I guess he was themedical examiner.
After they had an open casketfuneral, and if you look at
crime scenes, photos, crimescene photos, you'll be like,
they did what?
They had an open casket funeralfor Andrew and Abby, and then
(29:02):
the medical examiner took himoff, let him out to rot for like
five days, and uh then choppedtheir heads off and boiled them.
SPEAKER_01 (29:12):
Yeah, during the trial, he he displayed skulls.
He he had he had stripped allthe meat off, and it was that's
crazy to me.
SPEAKER_00 (29:20):
And there was um, I don't remember the exact story,
but for in court, there was uhabuse on a an animal to like to
the point of death because theywere trying to figure something
out.
It their trial was wild.
SPEAKER_01 (29:35):
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_00 (29:36):
Read the um or listen to the audiobook, uh,
Kara Roberts um the trial ofLizzie Borden and uh check out a
c you know our coverage on it,and then there's a couple of
other podcasts that have acouple parts on it.
There's a lot more informationout there.
No to kill a dog over that shitis what the trial was almost as
(29:58):
or or was Just as macabre as themurders, like a hundred percent.
SPEAKER_01 (30:03):
Yeah, I do feel like that too.
It's like there's the whole Bside, which was the trial, which
is just as bad as the A side ofit, you know?
It's so bad.
SPEAKER_00 (30:11):
It was like you're like, huh?
Oh what?
Because Jesse wanted uh throughour trip, he wanted to listen to
some other people who podcastedabout the same things that we
have covered to hear theirinsights.
And also, it makes the trip goby faster.
A lot of driving.
I think you said it was what atotal of like 40 hours that we
(30:32):
did within eight days, ninedays.
So yeah, I mean, and it itreally did make our driving time
go by so much quicker.
Because there was a lot, it wasnice, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:43):
I mean, the everything after the first day
was nice on our trip.
SPEAKER_00 (30:49):
So stay tuned for all of that because we're gonna
we're literally gonna recordthat next.
But we're gonna wrap this recapup.
SPEAKER_01 (30:55):
Okay, so check out our Lizzie Borden, check out the
Edgeen stuff, check out theEdgeen.
So, yeah, we're in season two.
SPEAKER_00 (31:02):
And leave leave comments about what you thought
about Ryan Murphy's Edgeen, soon Netflix.
Yeah, yeah.
He has a way of making thingshard to watch and almost like
you can't stop watching it atthe same time.
SPEAKER_01 (31:18):
Grotesquely grabbing.
SPEAKER_00 (31:20):
Like me and Jesse were so uncomfortable in some
moments.
Like, what?
I want to know.
Can we fast forward?
No, I want to watch it.
We did, we did, we did skip acouple of parts.
SPEAKER_01 (31:31):
Just a couple.
But yeah.
It was uh thank you for takingme to Lizzie's and telling a
story.
SPEAKER_00 (31:40):
Well, we took each other.
SPEAKER_01 (31:41):
You booked the room.
Well, but you you presented itthe opportunity, and I jumped,
and then you told me.
Now I know.
SPEAKER_00 (31:50):
There was a lot more um haunted things that we did
want to visit, and that but itjust it for time.
I mean, like we did everythingjust right.
Like, we had no extra time.
Yeah, we did everything that wewanted to do that we set out to
do.
There was no extra time, or itwould have been a we'd have had
to done like a 12-day trip to doa couple of the other things.
SPEAKER_01 (32:11):
Yeah, we fit in in eight days, what people normally
take a month to do.
SPEAKER_00 (32:17):
Or a lifetime.
SPEAKER_01 (32:18):
Yeah.
So great trip, great times.
SPEAKER_00 (32:21):
Stay tuned for that recap.
So this will be out.
This is Wednesday.
Happy Wednesday.
Um, and then check out our recapof our adventure tomorrow on
Thursday.
Adventure.
And then a whole new episode outon Friday.
And a new band.
SPEAKER_01 (32:38):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (32:40):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (32:40):
Oh yeah.
The music, the music, for themusic.
SPEAKER_00 (32:43):
Don't forget the music.
SPEAKER_01 (32:44):
Yeah.
So.
SPEAKER_00 (32:45):
All right, we're gonna wrap this up.
We love you guys so much.
And leave us your thoughts andcomments on anything.
SPEAKER_01 (32:51):
On anything.
SPEAKER_00 (32:52):
Anything.
See you guys.
We're here.
Ask us anything.
Anything.
Love you.
Bye.
Hey Jesse.
Hey.
Hey, uh, hey.
Hello.
SPEAKER_00 (00:07):
I think I can have my headphones on.
I'm gonna take this off first,but hey, we're in October.
And in honor of Edgeen, ooh, Idon't should I say that?
I don't want to get canceled.
Okay, so in um Not in honor.
Here we go.
We're wearing Silas's uh thismakes you want to do the little
(00:30):
tongue thing.
We're wearing Silas'sleatherface uh mask just for a
few seconds here.
We are October we are inOctober.
And we gotta be goofy and scaryfor just a minute.
And then we're gonna take theseoff.
This is raw, uncut, andunedited.
Jesse, what you drinking?
SPEAKER_01 (00:48):
Um something vista bay that we had in the fridge.
I hadn't even popped it yet, uh.
SPEAKER_00 (00:54):
I am also I'm having a lime vista bay in this really
pretty Jesse puppy.
SPEAKER_02 (01:00):
So pretty.
SPEAKER_00 (01:02):
Okay, I got a master coming off.
SPEAKER_01 (01:05):
I might leave mine on, dude.
I feel like I fit in the parhere.
Hang on.
Hang on there, huh?
Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (01:13):
I think I just ripped off my eyelash.
SPEAKER_01 (01:16):
William Eyelash.
William Defoe Eyelash the third.
SPEAKER_00 (01:20):
Alright, so now here we go.
There we go.
SPEAKER_01 (01:25):
I mean, I feel like goofy here.
I feel like a goofy goober here.
It's kinda cool, man.
SPEAKER_00 (01:32):
Kind of goofy goobers.
SPEAKER_01 (01:34):
Kind of cool goofy.
SPEAKER_00 (01:35):
I don't know if I'm gonna be able to wear a hat with
my headphones on.
Can you hear me, sir?
SPEAKER_01 (01:45):
I ain't hearing nothing, but I don't care.
SPEAKER_00 (01:47):
Alright.
You need to take that offbecause we got a 30-minute
episode to record here.
SPEAKER_01 (01:54):
Okay.
Alright.
SPEAKER_00 (01:56):
I don't think this is gonna work with headphones.
SPEAKER_01 (01:58):
Lindsay wanted to play.
SPEAKER_00 (01:59):
Yeah.
I can't hear you or myself.
SPEAKER_01 (02:02):
Hang on.
SPEAKER_00 (02:03):
Let's get the sound adjusted now that we've uh good.
SPEAKER_01 (02:06):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (02:07):
Here, give me him.
Give me him.
SPEAKER_01 (02:10):
Okay.
I can hear myself now.
Okay.
I couldn't hear fuck.
SPEAKER_00 (02:13):
Here, Silas.
Come grab these.
We're doing put them back in themannequin head.
This is uh getting information.
Well, um first of all, themannequin heads are right over
here.
SPEAKER_01 (02:26):
To say Ed Gean.
So I think when you say Edgeenand you'll go.
SPEAKER_00 (02:30):
I can't hear.
I can't hear me.
I can't hear me.
SPEAKER_01 (02:34):
What about now?
SPEAKER_00 (02:36):
Uh hello, hello.
Can y'all hear me?
Uh you're not gonna answer.
No, they can.
Yeah.
So here we go.
There you go.
Witch goofing.
SPEAKER_01 (02:46):
Which witch boof gootin.
Is that good?
SPEAKER_00 (02:50):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (02:50):
Your your audio is right.
SPEAKER_00 (02:52):
My audio is right.
Okay.
I can see.
I'm pretty sure I pulled offhalf production.
It's a production.
You can't see my face thatclose.
Yeah.
So it's a production.
Yeah.
Welcome to uh Drunk AboutSomething.
Raw, unedited, and uncut recap.
And today we're gonna recapLizzie Borden.
SPEAKER_01 (03:11):
Oh, that that was the place that we stayed at the
thing that you made me do.
SPEAKER_00 (03:15):
And you made me recap our whole uh vacay on our
next video.
Um, but Jesse.
Yeah, so I told him that we weregonna cover Lizzie Borden in
Lizzie Borden's house, and hebooked it, did the whole thing,
had no idea what happened inthat home.
SPEAKER_01 (03:36):
And it was it was really hard to not pay attention
to all the stuff that was justcascaded upon my own.
SPEAKER_00 (03:43):
Well, when you walk in, because you gotta oh my god,
you gotta check in in theevening.
So when you walk in, um it looksjust pretty much like a a spooky
bed and breakfast, but until yousee the bodies hanging out.
There's a couple of them.
(04:06):
Jesse.
Jesse sat right by Andrew.
He he did know.
How did you feel?
How did you feel about that,sir?
SPEAKER_01 (04:20):
Lancy.
What?
Why?
Did we okay?
You loved it.
I did.
I had a great time.
I did.
I did.
So we showed up a little earlybefore check-in time.
It was like six o'clock.
And we went next door, which wasthat I was like, dude, we gotta
talk to this guy next door.
And it was closed, but he openedup and he's like, come on in,
(04:42):
you know, and talk and told usabout so many cool things.
And then he's like, there's aPortuguese restaurant over here.
You need to go do that.
And I was like, Portuguese food,dude?
I'm down.
SPEAKER_00 (04:52):
Fall River Grill.
So good.
Ask for Natalia.
SPEAKER_01 (04:56):
So good.
And and and everybody's like,dude.
Like my sister and then Lindsaywas like, Look at these girls,
they got, they're they're sobeautiful.
And I was like, Yeah, and I wasand then I started doing the
cake thing.
I was like, look at all thecake.
SPEAKER_00 (05:08):
And Lindsay's like, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:11):
Lindsay's like pointing out the cake.
SPEAKER_00 (05:12):
But I liked it.
SPEAKER_01 (05:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:14):
Um, but at the same time, we don't want to objectify
women.
SPEAKER_01 (05:17):
We didn't.
SPEAKER_00 (05:18):
No.
SPEAKER_01 (05:18):
I don't think we did.
SPEAKER_00 (05:19):
No, she was super nice, super sweet.
SPEAKER_01 (05:21):
Beautiful, beautiful, nice people.
And the food was amazing.
And I did flirt a little bit soI could get a long island iced
tea.
To go.
And I told I told Lindsay, I waslike, I know this isn't cool for
me to say this, but I'm gonnasay this.
I'm gonna be like kind of justgoof booting a little bit, you
know.
And so I was like, you know,Long Island Iced tea, that'd be
cool if you can do one to go.
(05:42):
And she's like, okay, that'sokay.
And it was really cool.
Really cool.
We got done eating, and then wecame back and checked into
Lizzie's.
SPEAKER_00 (05:52):
I'm sorry, I had to turn off these the vibration
because it was buzzing on thecounter.
Checked in, got up into theroom, you know, everything
loaded in, and Lindsay's like,don't walk around, don't look at
shit, don't blah blah blah, andI'm like, Because there was
crime scene photos and thingslike that that he could see, and
I was like, I gotta tell youthis story before you explore
(06:12):
the house.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:13):
But we had already kind of we had to walk through
the living room and the or thesetting area and all that.
So there's a couch, and I'm justlike hanging out, and there's
like this mannequin thing alllaid over.
Like, you know, I'm like,Lindsay, what am I doing here?
SPEAKER_00 (06:25):
And if you uh follow us on Instagram, I did post that
video yesterday.
Yeah, yesterday.
Yeah, Friday, October 10th.
SPEAKER_01 (06:32):
Uh so I didn't know.
And and then we went upstairsand then you destroyed me.
Destroyeth.
You met some cool people theretoo?
unknown (06:41):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:41):
Oh my gosh.
Everybody's like-minded, likethey're having fun, and she's
telling the story.
Well, tell the story a littlebit.
SPEAKER_00 (06:50):
Well, one couple that um was there, we'll say we
had just came from Salem to FallRiver, and then they were
leaving Fall River to go toSalem.
So, like, and uh Silas actuallybefriended that couple, they
were super sweet.
They did the they did thebreakfast package.
I think they were the only ones.
SPEAKER_02 (07:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:09):
Because we just went next door to the coffee shop,
and um, I'm gonna talk aboutthese uh panic attacks more in
our vacation recap.
But due to panic attacks I hadhad, I was limiting my caffeine
and I was really sad because Iwanted to try some of their
coffee.
But I did get a cranberry orangemuffin, it was delicious.
Silas got chocolate chip.
(07:30):
What did you get?
Did you get coffee?
SPEAKER_01 (07:34):
Yeah, I got a coffee from there, and that was it.
SPEAKER_00 (07:36):
And then um sister-in-law got one of their
croissants and said it was thebest, flakiest croissant she had
ever had.
So she got she got a croissantsandwich.
But okay, so recapping Lizzie.
Hold on, we gotta get the boyout of the room.
Bye.
SPEAKER_01 (07:55):
Your what?
He's looking for his cup.
SPEAKER_00 (07:57):
Oh, you put it in the fridge.
Your oogie boogie?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:07):
You know what's funny?
The mask that we were wearing,Silas knows all about.
SPEAKER_02 (08:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:12):
That's kind of funny.
And the the you know, the thebad part about it is we didn't
lead him to that.
He found all this on his own.
He just could not get away fromit.
He was his infatuation.
SPEAKER_00 (08:22):
Oh, and he has the best time when we take him to
horror cons.
SPEAKER_01 (08:25):
Well, okay, we led him to that.
SPEAKER_00 (08:27):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
But I mean, we took yeah, wedid, we did the we did one by
ourselves and then we took himto three more.
SPEAKER_01 (08:33):
Yeah, and growing up, these kids like, I mean, we
ran hot at houses andeverything, so we were around
all this stuff.
Yes.
But like, as far as portrayingall the movies and all the
things, he kind of justgravitated toward it anyhow.
SPEAKER_00 (08:44):
He's been obsessed with Halloween masks since he
was in diapers.
I literally have a YouTube videoout there of him running around
in his pull-up and a clown mask.
SPEAKER_01 (08:54):
Yeah, we called him Silas of the Lambs.
SPEAKER_00 (08:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:58):
That was the video.
SPEAKER_00 (08:59):
Silas of the Lambs.
Another Ed Gean.
So, first of all, before we diveoff into um Lizzie, real quick,
you guys comment on this videoand tell us what you think about
uh Ryan Murphy's monster umseries about Ed Gean.
We're conflicted because a lotof it is inaccurate, but we're
(09:22):
very impressed with theproduction and how he tied in
Alfred Hitchcock, AlfredHitchcock, and then the guy that
made, I don't even I didn'tcatch his name, and I'm I should
know this, but the guy who madeTexas Chainsaw Massacre and then
the whole Buffalo Bill.
So tell tell us what y'allthought about the series.
(09:43):
Um I did see that a lot ofpeople were on my level about Ed
Gean and were um conflictedabout their sympathy towards
him.
And I felt that I felt seen, Ifelt heard because I do.
And and I and I I know he didterrible things, but I I do, I I
(10:06):
I have a lot of sympathy forthat man and um doesn't excuse
what he did.
Um don't feel bad about that.
I don't, you know, I don'tsympathize with that part, but I
sympathize with the way that hewas raised and um the isolation
that he can that he just dealtwith his whole life.
(10:27):
I I really sympathize with that.
SPEAKER_01 (10:29):
For any uh historical nostalgia type things
myself to hang on to.
I I kind of wish it was a littlebit more accurate, but at the
same time, if I wouldn't haveknown the things it wouldn't
have mattered so much, you know?
SPEAKER_00 (10:40):
Yeah, a lot of things were accurate, um, but a
lot were not.
SPEAKER_01 (10:45):
So from an outside perspective, I think it fits
everybody, whether you know thehistory on it or not.
So it's it's a good, it was itwas a good, it was a good watch
to watch that.
And then check out the the thethe pod that we did too.
SPEAKER_00 (10:57):
So absolutely.
Ours is accurate.
It's accurate as I I got most ofmy information from the book by
Harold Schechter Deviant, and hehe does a really good job um
with with putting historicalfacts into his books and making
them very accurate.
So now on to Lizzie.
(11:17):
So we're just gonna we're gonnastart um in 1892 when everything
happened.
So Andrew, he is um a very wellthe Bordens like period were a
prominent family in Fall River.
They uh Andrew owned a lot ofbusinesses, had a lot of rental
(11:38):
properties, and other realestate endeavors.
And then he marries Abby, um,who came from after uh his first
wife passed away, which wasLizzie and Emma's mother.
Abby also belonged to one of theother very rich families in
town.
And um for most of their lives,Emmy uh Emma and Lizzie called
(12:03):
Abby mother, and then a few acouple of I don't know if it was
a couple of years or a year orso before the murders happened,
um Lizzie started calling herMrs.
Borden because Andrew had givenher family a rental property and
was helping them outfinancially, and her and Emma
(12:26):
both did not like that.
SPEAKER_01 (12:29):
So some of that like it didn't really feel like you
were trying to put seeds in ininto an explanation or a motive
behind any of that because itjust seemed like family stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (12:40):
It was family shit.
All families have strikes.
SPEAKER_01 (12:42):
And they had their rental property and he sold it
to them for like a dollar andthen it wasn't working out for
them.
And we talk about all that.
And you know, then then he gotit back, right?
SPEAKER_00 (12:51):
Yeah, he bought it back from them for like almost
double its value.
Yeah.
So they have money.
They have money in the bank.
SPEAKER_01 (12:58):
Um But at this time they're they're spinsters, so
they're older women.
SPEAKER_00 (13:02):
Yes, yeah, they are 40 and 30.
Emma's 40.
Emma's 40 and Lizzie is 32.
That is well beyond the age ofmarriage for a Victorian-era
woman.
SPEAKER_01 (13:16):
So I don't feel like I don't feel like he you know
their dad was holding on toanything, wishing that he had
made an empire like by you know,a marriage or something, because
that was that was a big thingthroughout history where you
know, hey, my daughter can marrythis guy and we can be even
richer and we have more stuff.
He was already, you know,prominently successful.
They were millionaires for thetime.
SPEAKER_00 (13:38):
You know, they in in today's Oh, he was a legit
millionaire.
I mean, well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Today's money hit what he hadwould have equaled multi-million
dollars.
SPEAKER_01 (13:48):
So that he was fine with his daughters living there.
They're just older, and they'rethey have family stuff.
It didn't seem like there wasanything deep-seated for for her
to be able to do that.
SPEAKER_00 (13:59):
And they had they had separate lives.
Uh, Emma and Lizzie did theirown thing, Abby and Andrew did
their own thing, and uh thenthey had the maid.
Like I said, I thought this wasreally shitty.
Her name was Bridget, but theycalled her Maggie because that
was the name of the previousmaid, and I think that's really
shitty.
Like she had her own name, shehad her own identity, but there
(14:23):
was a lot of people like thatback in the day.
SPEAKER_01 (14:26):
They they looked at maids as yeah, a little snobby
there.
SPEAKER_00 (14:29):
They looked at maids as just people but like, you
know.
Help.
Yeah, they were just the help.
They were the help.
Um, I that and that made methink of um, we're watching um
Blood of My Blood, which is aspin-off of Outlander, and she
says that.
She's like, I can go with you.
I'm just the help.
(14:50):
You have to watch it to see it,but um, what was her name?
Julia says, uh, I'm the help, Iwon't even get noticed.
And that's yeah, that's how itwas.
But so uh before the murdershappen in the home, um, Emma and
Lizzie have gone away.
(15:10):
Lizzie was back home, Emma wasnot, and then Uncle John comes
to town.
And uh Uncle John, I don't know,it wasn't Uncle John.
So Andrew and Abby get reallysick.
Andrew and Abby get really sicka couple of times.
Abby feels that the family isgetting poisoned because Andrew
(15:33):
has enemies in town.
The doctor's like, no, you'reeating food that should have
been thrown out because uhAndrew was too cheap.
I can't I'm at home now.
Andrew is too cheap.
SPEAKER_01 (15:45):
Oh, and I wasn't supposed to say that shit, but I
did.
Yeah.
While we were there.
Why is that a thing?
You're not supposed to say itwhile you're there.
If you guys go, don't say thecheap word, right?
SPEAKER_00 (15:56):
Right, yeah.
Don't don't call him cheap whileyou're there.
Say he was frugal.
But why is that?
You're not gonna be.
Well, because you don't want toin you don't want to invoke
Andrew's spirit, make him mad,you know.
SPEAKER_01 (16:06):
You couldn't bring Ouija boards there.
SPEAKER_00 (16:08):
But people did have spirit boxes downstairs.
SPEAKER_01 (16:12):
They were walking around doing tours like in the
house, like up till like 12o'clock or something that night.
Walking around, they had theirwhole things, or is it somebody
want to talk to me?
B, beep, beep beep.
And I was all like, this iscrazy, this is cool.
This is I watched them for aminute, but I was like, I'm kind
of creep back and like lettingthem do their thing, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (16:30):
And I just gotta say, I slept like an absolute
baby in that house.
Now we had had some drinks, andI did take my Ashwagonda, but I
felt no, I felt zero bad energyin that home.
None.
SPEAKER_01 (16:43):
And we were on the road so much before that.
Our real break was was Manhattanbecause we had two days, yeah,
like two days stop in Manhattan.
We'll talk about that too inanother video.
Yeah.
The recap of the trip that we'regonna do.
That's gonna be cool.
SPEAKER_00 (16:58):
That was a weird sound.
SPEAKER_01 (17:00):
It was a whistle.
That's a cool cup.
Co-worker of mine made that.
SPEAKER_00 (17:04):
It is a very cool cup, and the lid is like bubbly
and bedazzled.
It's really cool, and theglitter moves.
SPEAKER_01 (17:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:10):
But anyway, so they're sick, they feel like
they've been poisoned.
Doctor says, No, you just gottastop eating this leftover food.
Like they left fish out, I thinkit was swordfish, and ate it.
Like, without any preservation,without any refrigeration.
It's not good.
Um, they had eaten mutton stewthat had been just on the stove,
(17:32):
just simmering for days.
SPEAKER_01 (17:34):
Nothing from nothing equals mutton.
SPEAKER_00 (17:37):
You gotta have mutton.
So then they all get they allget sick.
Um, but Lizzie and Bridget getmildly ill compared to Andrew
and Abby's like hurling in thebackyard, okay?
Then Uncle John comes to town,he stays one night, and then he
goes off early the next morning,goes and runs some errands, and
(17:59):
uh then Abby she gets off with ahatchet.
And then um about an hour and ahalf after her death, Andrew
comes home for lunch.
He went out, he went to workthat day, he came home for
lunch, and he wanted a littlenap.
(18:20):
And then uh then he gets offed.
SPEAKER_01 (18:23):
And might I add horrifically.
SPEAKER_00 (18:25):
Oh, his face.
I do say it in the episode it'shamburger.
SPEAKER_01 (18:29):
It's she showed me the pictures of it, and we
talked about all that, andLizzie was just doing home
stuff, like just she wentoutside, she was checking out
some some fishing lures, right?
And she picked a pair and sheironed a handkerchief.
She was washing the windowsoutside, so people weren't
(18:49):
inside the house, they weredoing stuff, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (18:51):
Well, Bridget had been instructed by Abby she
wanted the windows washed insideand out.
So that's what Abby was doing.
I mean, uh Bridget was doingthat morning, and probably
pissed off about it because shewas sick, she was sick as a dog.
And when Andrew came home forhis little nap, uh Lizzie had
told her, or Andrew, one of thetwo had told her it was okay for
(19:14):
her to go lay down because shewas still ill and she had done
washed all the windows in thehouse.
And I was there.
There's a lot of windows.
Uh lot.
If you're sick, that ain't fun.
So, like, no, no sooner had likeAndrew had just got home, 10
minutes later, Bridget's layingher head down, and bam, she
hears Lizzie screaming, comehelp.
(19:35):
Father's been hurt.
Yeah, somebody came in andkilled him.
SPEAKER_01 (19:39):
Called the doctor to come over.
SPEAKER_00 (19:41):
Called the doctor to come over, and Lizzie was
hysterical.
Um, you know, some reports willsay that she was just
nonchalant.
Well, that was because Dr.
Bowen gave her morphine.
SPEAKER_01 (19:53):
Well, if you had seen the horrific sight that she
had seen, I mean, she was blowedup.
I mean, completely.
SPEAKER_00 (20:00):
I wouldn't know what and her wording is very strange
to me too.
Um, because I probably, like,especially Victorian-era women,
I'm surprised she didn't faintat the sight of his face.
Yeah.
It's terrible.
Like one of his eyes was choppedin half.
Um, but Dr.
Bowen gave her morphine to calmher nerves, and then caffeine
(20:24):
powder to keep her alert forquestioning by the police.
SPEAKER_01 (20:28):
Yeah, that's the whole up and down, in and out
situation, and then you'retrying to put together all the
questions that are braided ontop of you.
SPEAKER_00 (20:36):
Like, what were you doing?
SPEAKER_01 (20:37):
Where were you at?
It did seem shady.
You know, we talked about allthe questioning and what she was
talking about, and eventuallyled up to her being accused of
it, right?
SPEAKER_00 (20:48):
Yes, because they could not well, actually, they
could.
There was people that cameforward and admitted to it, and
they had dismissed them.
Um then so basically, becausenow Emma's home, now Uncle
John's back, and Bridget andLizzie are all suspects.
And because Bridget said thatLizzie had been at the top of
(21:13):
the stairs when Andrew came homelaughing, I think that that was
um one of the key points of heraccu of her being accused, of
her being like, they were like,you did it.
SPEAKER_01 (21:29):
I think it was more hysteria, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (21:31):
That too.
Oh god, like that there were uhover a thousand people gathered
outside their house in withinhours just hanging out there,
like angry mob.
Like John tried to leave againand he couldn't.
Like he it was just not safe toleave the house.
People were bored, they theydidn't have much to do back in
uh the 1890s.
So Lizzie gets tried.
I don't want to put every singledetail in there because I do
(21:54):
want you guys to listen to thefull episode.
Lizzie gets tried, and um, afterwhat was that?
Oh, a little over a year and acouple of months.
SPEAKER_01 (22:03):
Yeah, an amazing lawyer shows up and amazing
lawyer, got her acquitted.
Yes, got her acquitted, and thenthey sold all the stuff and got
the inheritance, her and hersister, and then bought a
beautiful home.
What was it called?
Maple Croft.
Maplecroft.
We should have, if we'd had moretime, so if you ever go up to
this bed and breakfast, it'sbeautiful.
(22:25):
Spend a little bit more timethan we did because there's so
much to do there, too.
SPEAKER_00 (22:28):
We were going to New York City the next day, and we
had a little drive.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:32):
In and out, but go to the coffee shop next next
door, and which was uh I think amurder happened there too.
SPEAKER_00 (22:39):
Yes, and we didn't get the history on that because
we were kind of groggy the nextday.
We had had some drinks the nightbefore so we could record
because you couldn't drink inthe house, so we had them
beforehand.
And um, oh, one thing we do wantto say about um I don't know if
it's all of Massachusetts, butin Fall River, you gotta go to a
liquor store to get seltzers.
SPEAKER_01 (23:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (23:01):
You cannot get them at a little corner store.
There's no alcohol there.
SPEAKER_01 (23:05):
That was crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (23:06):
We went to five.
Was it five total?
SPEAKER_01 (23:09):
Yeah, it was like, okay, here's another one.
Let's pull up here.
Maybe they'll have some seltzersor drinks or whatever.
Nothing.
It was crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (23:16):
Even a gas station, but nothing.
Like an actual, like, becausethey had like bodegas and then
they had gas stations.
But we had to go to the liquorstore, which was like not even
that big a deal.
It was like half a mile down theroad.
SPEAKER_01 (23:28):
So much on our trip that you know, you get cultured
a little bit on how the rest ofthe of the country is designed,
and you have to be as differentto that.
So Lindsay learned a lot too.
I mean, it was really cool.
And my sister, for sure.
We were we were looking at eachother and we were like, she
don't get out much.
SPEAKER_00 (23:47):
Yeah, we're a little bit more cultured.
Um, but I mean it still was anarea we've never been to.
SPEAKER_01 (23:52):
Yeah.
But beautiful.
I mean, everything was gorgeous,everybody was nice.
Um so do go to the coffee shopthough, next door.
SPEAKER_00 (24:00):
And go have chat, you know, go have Portuguese
food at Fall River Grill.
SPEAKER_01 (24:05):
Um check out, you know, you can go to the
gravesite, you can go to the theother house, maple cross, and
check out the scenery, some ofthe history, whatever.
And then you're you're rightnext to uh so much history, you
know.
It's it's amazing.
SPEAKER_00 (24:22):
It's a beautiful area with a beautiful river and
a beautiful bridge that I hatedgoing across because I have
anxiety, but it's stillbeautiful.
Um now, one thing, a couple ofthings I I had to make my our
episode and our coverage alittle shorter than I would have
liked to because of thesituation we were recording in.
Um but she had, I just want tosay she had a couple of uh
(24:46):
little Boston Terriers, and shelive she lived her life well, as
well as could be expected for aspinster um at her next house.
But there were mean little kidsthat would show up at her house
every day and sing the nurseryrhymes, um, which is Lizzie
(25:10):
Borden took an axe.
Is it killed her mom with 40 waxwhen she saw what she had done?
SPEAKER_01 (25:18):
Then she gave her father 41.
SPEAKER_00 (25:21):
I think that's the full, full, full rhyme.
Yeah, it's definitely not thatmany whacks, and it wasn't with
an axe.
SPEAKER_01 (25:28):
So you know for people to come up with something
like that.
I know it's so horrific, but andyou have to be around it, you
know.
I I would have left the townmyself, you know.
If I'd have been acquitted fromsomething that I was tried for,
I would have had to leave thetown.
unknown (25:40):
You know?
SPEAKER_00 (25:41):
Well, she she ended up because she wanted like I
said, Andrew was cheap.
They lived in a I mean, thattheir house was big, but it was
still modest compared to whatwhat the other wealthy lived
like in that area, and most ofthe wealthy lived on the hill,
and that's where she wanted togo, that's where she went, and
(26:01):
she had her dream home and umgatherings and parties,
gatherings, parties that richpeople would want to do, you
know.
SPEAKER_01 (26:10):
And we kind of do feel like there might have been
a relationship there too, whereuh she's gonna be.
SPEAKER_00 (26:15):
Oh, I I mean, I definitely uh she I mean,
there's rumors about Lizzieloving the ladies, and that's
okay if she did.
And I hope that she, I mean, youknow, it wasn't that was very
taboo back then, but I hope thatshe did what she wanted to do.
SPEAKER_02 (26:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (26:29):
Uh, because I I if y'all don't know yet, I don't
think that she did it.
Um, and if she did, um she had Idon't think she did it herself
whatsoever because there's youit's almost impossible.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (26:43):
You can't get what what happened off of you that
fast and then walk around andand talk to people about it.
I mean, even though she was onthe morphine and the caffeine
and all the fiends, butliterally um, yeah, you can't
undress, you can't hide that.
There's stuff going to be allover you because of how
(27:03):
horrific, you know, thesituation was.
SPEAKER_00 (27:06):
So yeah, because there was no she had no blood on
her.
Yeah.
She had not changed herclothing.
She like there was no blo therewas not a drop of blood on her
at all.
And the only blood that cameinto evidence was her
menstruation rags, because backin those days, you bled into
rags.
That's why it's called being onthe rag.
(27:27):
You bled into rags, you put themin a bucket, and you kept them
in the cellar.
SPEAKER_01 (27:30):
That should have been the end of that.
It shouldn't even have been inthe question, but they hung on
to that, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (27:34):
Well, they really didn't.
Um, they did bring it back up,but it was dismissed because men
don't like to talk about thatshit.
SPEAKER_01 (27:42):
I can hear the fizz on the page.
You can hear the fizz.
Crisp.
SPEAKER_00 (27:46):
Very crisp.
SPEAKER_01 (27:46):
Crispy.
SPEAKER_00 (27:47):
I'm going to raspberry now.
I'm putting it in my little cup.
But um, but I do agree withMarcus from last podcast on the
left.
Um, he says that nowadays, ifthat, you know, those those
menstruation rags would havebeen studied thoroughly.
SPEAKER_01 (28:04):
Yeah, to find out.
SPEAKER_00 (28:05):
To find out.
But and and also the the murderwould have been solved, but it's
not.
It's it's never been solved.
I feel like it too.
SPEAKER_01 (28:11):
Like within 15 minutes now, with the technology
now, it would have been solvedwithin 15, 20 minutes.
And it'd been like, no.
SPEAKER_02 (28:19):
Here it is.
SPEAKER_00 (28:20):
But her house was torn apart um in search of
evidence.
They did, I mean, they did a lotof work for their time.
I mean, a lot of work.
But the fingerprinting wasn't athing yet.
DNA wasn't a thing yet.
SPEAKER_01 (28:35):
And the crab pot bowling the head wasn't a thing.
SPEAKER_00 (28:38):
Oh my god.
So I didn't mention this in thestory either.
Um, so the I guess he was themedical examiner.
After they had an open casketfuneral, and if you look at
crime scenes, photos, crimescene photos, you'll be like,
they did what?
They had an open casket funeralfor Andrew and Abby, and then
(29:02):
the medical examiner took himoff, let him out to rot for like
five days, and uh then choppedtheir heads off and boiled them.
SPEAKER_01 (29:12):
Yeah, during the trial, he he displayed skulls.
He he had he had stripped allthe meat off, and it was that's
crazy to me.
SPEAKER_00 (29:20):
And there was um, I don't remember the exact story,
but for in court, there was uhabuse on a an animal to like to
the point of death because theywere trying to figure something
out.
It their trial was wild.
SPEAKER_01 (29:35):
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_00 (29:36):
Read the um or listen to the audiobook, uh,
Kara Roberts um the trial ofLizzie Borden and uh check out a
c you know our coverage on it,and then there's a couple of
other podcasts that have acouple parts on it.
There's a lot more informationout there.
No to kill a dog over that shitis what the trial was almost as
(29:58):
or or was Just as macabre as themurders, like a hundred percent.
SPEAKER_01 (30:03):
Yeah, I do feel like that too.
It's like there's the whole Bside, which was the trial, which
is just as bad as the A side ofit, you know?
It's so bad.
SPEAKER_00 (30:11):
It was like you're like, huh?
Oh what?
Because Jesse wanted uh throughour trip, he wanted to listen to
some other people who podcastedabout the same things that we
have covered to hear theirinsights.
And also, it makes the trip goby faster.
A lot of driving.
I think you said it was what atotal of like 40 hours that we
(30:32):
did within eight days, ninedays.
So yeah, I mean, and it itreally did make our driving time
go by so much quicker.
Because there was a lot, it wasnice, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:43):
I mean, the everything after the first day
was nice on our trip.
SPEAKER_00 (30:49):
So stay tuned for all of that because we're gonna
we're literally gonna recordthat next.
But we're gonna wrap this recapup.
SPEAKER_01 (30:55):
Okay, so check out our Lizzie Borden, check out the
Edgeen stuff, check out theEdgeen.
So, yeah, we're in season two.
SPEAKER_00 (31:02):
And leave leave comments about what you thought
about Ryan Murphy's Edgeen, soon Netflix.
Yeah, yeah.
He has a way of making thingshard to watch and almost like
you can't stop watching it atthe same time.
SPEAKER_01 (31:18):
Grotesquely grabbing.
SPEAKER_00 (31:20):
Like me and Jesse were so uncomfortable in some
moments.
Like, what?
I want to know.
Can we fast forward?
No, I want to watch it.
We did, we did, we did skip acouple of parts.
SPEAKER_01 (31:31):
Just a couple.
But yeah.
It was uh thank you for takingme to Lizzie's and telling a
story.
SPEAKER_00 (31:40):
Well, we took each other.
SPEAKER_01 (31:41):
You booked the room.
Well, but you you presented itthe opportunity, and I jumped,
and then you told me.
Now I know.
SPEAKER_00 (31:50):
There was a lot more um haunted things that we did
want to visit, and that but itjust it for time.
I mean, like we did everythingjust right.
Like, we had no extra time.
Yeah, we did everything that wewanted to do that we set out to
do.
There was no extra time, or itwould have been a we'd have had
to done like a 12-day trip to doa couple of the other things.
SPEAKER_01 (32:11):
Yeah, we fit in in eight days, what people normally
take a month to do.
SPEAKER_00 (32:17):
Or a lifetime.
SPEAKER_01 (32:18):
Yeah.
So great trip, great times.
SPEAKER_00 (32:21):
Stay tuned for that recap.
So this will be out.
This is Wednesday.
Happy Wednesday.
Um, and then check out our recapof our adventure tomorrow on
Thursday.
Adventure.
And then a whole new episode outon Friday.
And a new band.
SPEAKER_01 (32:38):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (32:40):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (32:40):
Oh yeah.
The music, the music, for themusic.
SPEAKER_00 (32:43):
Don't forget the music.
SPEAKER_01 (32:44):
Yeah.
So.
SPEAKER_00 (32:45):
All right, we're gonna wrap this up.
We love you guys so much.
And leave us your thoughts andcomments on anything.
SPEAKER_01 (32:51):
On anything.
SPEAKER_00 (32:52):
Anything.
See you guys.
We're here.
Ask us anything.
Anything.
Love you.
Bye.
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