August 6, 2025 • 29 mins
We peel back the layers of Jim Jones's life, starting with his childhood as "Jimba," raised by a mother who believed she was nurturing a great leader. The thin walls of their home exposed young Jim to his mother's sexual encounters, planting seeds of obsession that would later manifest in his notorious "fuck schedule" and sexual exploitation of followers.
The podcast explores critical turning points, including Jones's encounter with Father Divine, whose harem and control methods became a template for Jones's own abusive system. We reveal how Jones employed elaborate fake healings using chicken guts as "cancer," used Patty Cartnell to gather intelligence on followers, and maintained a complex web of sexual relationships to exert dominance over his congregation.
Perhaps most disturbing is the hypocrisy revealed in Jones's approach to race. While publicly championing racial equality, he privately maintained racist sexual preferences, avoiding intimate relationships with Black women until becoming fixated on a Black female singer in Jonestown—whom he reportedly drugged for sexual purposes.
This podcast serves as both historical examination and urgent warning. The political and social conditions that enabled Jones's rise—turmoil, inequality, and widespread disillusionment—mirror many aspects of today's world. Listen closely, recognize the warning signs, and remember that the best defense against manipulation is critical thinking and awareness.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
hey, jesse lindsey, we're fixing to fucking bring
down the whole fuckingdebauchery are we doing it?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
it's raw.
It's fixing unedited content.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
It's fixing to happen y'all.
Thank you guys for tuning inand I'm fixing to drop.
Oh no, lindsey over here isfixing to fucking drop all the
recap on her big ass story forjim jones right we have four
parts.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Ladies and gentlemen, we worked hard.
Excuse me, I worked hard on theresearch on that jesse worked
hard on the editing because itwas a lot.
It's a lot.
It was like what?
Six hours total oh my god thatwe recorded on the bunch three
part series we're gonna fire off.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yes, we're gonna roll that intro real quick.
(01:10):
Hang on this.
This is a new segment calleddrunk unedited, so strap in.
I feel like we could just sithere with these headphones on
for like days.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, this is going to be raw and unedited, so strap
in yeah, I'm not going to edita fucking thing.
No, this is going to be happyWednesday.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Happy Wednesday, we're halfway through the week.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
You're welcome for some hump day content.
Hump day.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So we're just going to go straight off raw and I'm
not going to edit a fucking.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
all the ums, all the uh, all the hi, all the
gibberish and kerflunkle this is, you're gonna get it all this
is your straightest raw.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Thank you guys for following.
You're getting the fucking usright here unedited.
I am drunk as fuck, lindsay.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I am sorry, welcome to drunk about.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I'm not apologizing but you know you can get me, you
can get the real me in myfucking you.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You got some backstory on some things that
happened in jim's jones well,first I mean I did four parts
right here, live in our kitchen,what you knew about this case,
you knew the person and you knewthe massacre.
I watched a doc.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
What did?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
you think about everything that I brought in the
middle.
Did you have any idea about anyof that?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
No comparison to a documentary that I watched.
That's what.
I'm saying yeah, no, I mean,you really brought the full on.
I couldn't.
It was a bomb, dude, and I waspuddled, and I keep saying
puddled, because I feel likemelting underneath of our
fucking little kitchen table.
(02:56):
I just feel like melting, dude,like you really fucked us up
and you had a guest.
And then you had the same guesttwice.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
My bestie cindy, yes, and and she brought her, her
silent partner, yeah I mean, hewas just like but he knew.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
He knew this case as well, but he didn't know and I
didn't know, and we were justlike fuck and we drank some
fucking flavor aid at the end ofthis.
So you got a couple of dirtthings that you want to talk
about.
As far as recapping, everythingwas just horrific.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Well, yeah, there's.
I mean, like I said, I couldhave done a 10 part series on
this because, there's so much.
I listened to do to two verydetailed audio books by very,
two very great authors.
Go back and listen to part four, uh, where I plug those and
they're amazing, and I literallylistened to both of those books
simultaneously.
(03:54):
I would, uh dedicate a couplehours each day to each book, um,
because one is literallywritten by Raven is written by a
survivor from the shootout atport kaituma, where he was just
trying to go home and cover thiscase.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
it was a huge deal so let's recap honestly, let's
recap from jimba okay, so jimbahuman being right all the way up
to the point to where you guysneed to all look at what we did,
the four parts on.
He fucking killed, fucking over900 people.
So literally.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Let's start with jimba we called it jimba yeah,
because that's what he wascalled by his mother, lynetta
jones, when he's like he's.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Like he's trying to teach people how to do nazi
walks.
Yeah and and and good job andhe has on fucking it.
I keep saying it was abasketball it was baseball.
It was a baseball team I keepsaying we're getting the band
back together and he's travelingwith his with his whole fucking
entourage, so he had a loft inhis garage, not a garage in a
(05:01):
barn.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
He had a loft in his garage.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
He didn't even have a driver's license.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Not a garage in a barn, he had a loft in a barn
where he would give sermons andpep talks, and I mean he
literally became.
He was a practicing cult leaderfrom child age.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
From childhood.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
And this was all because he was literally
neglected by his parents.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Well, he was getting off on being able to get that
reception, of being able tocontrol people.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
When Ms Myrtle, when she came into his life and would
take him to sermons at Nazareneand she believed that anybody
other than a Nazarene was thedevil, she took him in.
But Jim was like I want toexperience other denominations
and he would go to their sermonsand he really would just absorb
(05:49):
the energy from the crowd.
He knew how to work it he andyou're you're in a very
religious time period of life,and that was what he became the
greatest showman.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I mean literally, literally and build a whole ass
fucking theme park of a religion.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
So then he goes on and he grows up to be an orderly
at a hospital where he'sdealing with death Right and he
meets Marceline and he gets hurt, Like he just has this
charismatic way about him thatjust sucks you in.
So you either get sucked in oryou get disgusted and leave.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
That's literally the energy of jen jones control or
get the fuck or bye yeah, it'scontroller by yeah, controller
by yeah you're right and you geteither feed into his bullshit
or get the fuck out.
But a lot of people, because ofwhat they were going through at
that time in the 60s and 70s,it was just like we're oppressed
(06:44):
.
We're going through so manychanges, the whole world.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I'm going through changes.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I mean RIP Ozzy Osbourne.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
RIP Ozzy.
And you're going through somany horrific changes in life.
Okay, so, jim, he grew uppost-World War II, then you got
Vietnam, and then you have theCold War, and you know just
people, there's veterans, andthen you have the oppression of
(07:16):
the black community.
Right, and he really just fedoff of that because and I will
say, I say it over and over inthe first two episodes of this
four-part saga he did the rightthing.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Right, he was riding on the segregation movement.
He was doing really good thingsfor the black community, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I mean amazing things that I can't even comprehend.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
It was great as to how he made it work.
We were on fully on Team Jim atthe beginning, Like first and
second second episode.
We're kind of team gem, yeah,we're kind of, and it kind of
started getting creepy.
It kind of started getting alittle.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
A little he was he was a little bit upset.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
He was obsessed with sex, and it was when he moved to
california, and I do talk aboutthat.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
He yeah he was obsessed with sex from a very
young age, because the book justbasically says that he lived in
a house with very small, thinwalls.
And his mother took in loverswhile she was still married.
(08:20):
She was wild.
She wore pants and smokedcigarettes in a day in a day and
age where you didn't smokecigarettes and wear pants in
public?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
yeah, for a lady she wasn't a lady.
He had been through world warone with all the shit that he
couldn't even he was kind offeeble he was, yeah, he was he
was out doing his own thing,trying to, you know, support he
had a gas injury from the fromthe in france mommy would bring
in some other people and do somedirty stuff and jim would like
partake like in listening andthat would be a part of his
(08:52):
livelihood as a child.
It was so big, you know yeah,and it's mental developmental
stuff.
She was kind of a free fuckingrange wide open flapper and she
condoned his audacity.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I literally talk about that.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
He couldn't do no wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
She loved it.
She was spiritual.
She was not religious.
She was spiritual and literallyhad in her mind I don't know
what she was going through, butshe had visions that she was
going to raise a great leader,and I mean honestly she did.
He was a great leader thatturned sour.
Way sour, that milk expired.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, and then later on, when he, you know, he did
his whole commune and turnedinto communism and they had to
get out of California.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Well, if he had just focused on doing amazing things
for the black community,everything would have been fine
and he would have went down inhistory as one of the greatest
humanitarians on this planet.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
If he would have rode the wave rightly.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
But it all turns, it all turns.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
But it all turns.
It all turns With.
My whole perspective on turnwas he was just a nasty-ass
human being that tried to tie inevery woman that he can get his
fucking hands on.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And what did I tell you Like after he met Father?
Divine boy, shit went a littlesour.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah a little south, yeah, a little south.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Like I said, in episode one or two, I can't
remember.
I am going to deep dive intoFather Divine later on down the
road.
We need to do a Father Divine,because Father Divine's cult
goes way back to the early 1900s.
Yeah, and Jim really covetedthe harem that this man created
(10:48):
and the theory of the what did Isay?
Reincarnation.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
And I did not put this in the story because, like
I said, I could have made this a10 part, but I wrapped it up
for you guys.
But, um, when father divine,when he passed away, you know he
was supposedly immortal, Um,but when he did pass away, jim
(11:17):
takes a group of the templemembers to mother divine who had
, you know, been a, at first a21 year old woman, um, who
supposedly the previous MotherDivine's body entered into the
original Mother Divine was ablack woman.
Second Mother Divine was a veryyoung white woman.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
That's what I was thinking to say.
He was like trying to pull inreincarnate human beings and
other people that are alreadyincarnated?
How do you reincarnate intoalready incarnated?
How do you reincarnate MotherDivine incarnated?
How do you reincarnate?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Divine became a very big influence.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
So, lindsay, at this point I feel like I'm part of
you right now.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Okay, yeah.
This was really happy Jim whena father divine passes away.
Jim takes a busload of people,a busload of temple members to
the estate of mother divine andas like guess what bitch I'm now
Father Divine.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
And you better honor me.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
But can I just take part of you as you're living and
just reincarnate part of you?
I don't have to take all of you.
You can be part of you.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Well, they called it like body jumping Right.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Right, I just want Spirit, want spirit jumping.
Basically, give me spiritjumping, give me 50 cent, yes
how the fuck?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
well, that didn't work out because, I mean, jim
had literal plans from the timehe met father divine until his
death, that, uh, which he hadreally literally named himself
Reverend major jealous divine,yeah, um, jim had plans from the
get go that he wanted to takeover that man's followers, right
(12:55):
, and you're just using likeself control.
Mother divine, she was smart,she didn't allow that shit to
happen.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
And I believe, like every conversation that they had
was just completely feeding inthe control of whatever is in
front of you.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
So you're speaking and you're like, okay, these
people are clapping and I'mgoing to say whatever the fuck
you can fucking say.
To get the biggest roar fromthe crowd and then also I'm
going to pass the plate.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Oh yeah, I'm going to pass this plate.
Absolutely Pass the plate passthe plate.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Oh yeah, I'm gonna pass this plate and you're gonna
pay this money because my shitis the greatest shit that you've
ever seen in your whole fuckinglife.
And that's a dynamic, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
They literally bring in people to get all their money
so they can form a full regimeof horrific religion inspiration
well, and it's all a facade,like he literally made people
believe that he was healingpeople by coughing up cancers or
(13:58):
shitting out cancers, or cancer, cancer, cancer, and it's all
chicken, guts, chicken guts it'sall and fucking it's all
chicken guts, chicken guts, it'sall fucking, it's all fake,
yeah.
Fake it's performative, and helearned that by watching other
people do the same shit.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Tent revivals.
Come to town.
That literally promised you'llspeak in tongues.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
So now he's a prophet .
So now he's a full on fuckingprophet.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
But he's got and he's got.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
And followers and shit.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
He uh patty cartnell, who's obsessed with him.
She wants to fuck him, shewants to be with him, but he's
like no, you're too fat.
So what you're gonna do isyou're gonna be my eyes and ears
first you're gonna be my eyesand ears you're gonna be my eyes
and ears and you're gonna tellme the information about these
people so that I can point themout in the crowd and tell them
(14:46):
shit about themselves that theydon't think that I know.
And then, later on, whenMarceline's back is broken and I
can't do sexy time with heranymore, you are going to be in
charge of my fuck schedule,which is going to come later on,
and that's more.
In part three, when we talkabout uh, we joke about it, it's
(15:09):
Jim Jones and deck sessions,his deck sessions and his fuck
schedule.
Yes, and I mean it's literallycalled that both in the road to
Jonestown and Raven.
It's literally called his fuckschedule.
That is not a joke.
That is verbatim what he talksabout or what, I'm sorry, what
(15:30):
both authors talk about in bothof those books.
I mean it's literally mentionedin both books.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
And you spent so much time doing all the research on
all that.
It was just.
It blew my mind Because Iwatched a little bit of
documentary and I'm not supposedto know what you talk about.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
On, your list.
That's a case that we knewabout.
It's just so famous.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, I mean I didn't know that much in depth.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
When you get 909 people to drink to their own
death.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, I mean.
I mean he built his wholeregime in California and then
shit went awry and then he hadto move to a third world country
and then because exposés werecoming about about the shitty
dealings in his church, whichwere beatings um his boxing
matches um pedophilia.
(16:23):
That was just tied intoeverything because Jim had a big
ass deck and we talk about that.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
It was just like, and he.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I mean Larry Layton literally gave up two of his
wives.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
For the cause, for the Jim Jones cause, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
We're not going to play music at the end of this, I
just no, this is a whole recapsession.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I just Unedited.
No, this is a whole recapsession here.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I just wanted to say any and all of this.
If you hear it, check out ourpast stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Sorry, I don't know what I did.
There we're at unedited raw.
Yes, unedited and raw.
This is raw.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
This is us as we go and drunk about it.
Exactly so you know.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
So when he sends his early pioneers to Jonestown to
start, you know it was anagriculture project.
That was literally what it wasunder listed in like the books
of the Guyanese law.
You know this property is herefor an agriculture project.
(17:26):
You're going to farm it andcultivate it there and turn it
into a community, which theywelcomed because that would have
brought in more money for their, for their and everything was a
great fucking experience untilJim showed up, so I don't want
to give away too much becauseyou guys got to check this shit
out.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You really do Well, like I told, like I do mention
you know to check this shit out.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
You really do.
Well, like I told, like I domention, you know, in the
beginning Okay, so you got thepioneers, they're coming in.
This was supposed to be a 10year projects before people
actually moved there and thatdidn't happen because Jim Jones
couldn't keep his deck in hispants.
But Okay, so you got yourpioneers, they're coming in
there.
But okay, so you got yourpioneers, they're coming in,
(18:09):
they're, they're, they'rechopping down this jungle,
they're, you know, um,cultivating the ground.
They're burning and they'recultivating and they're trying
to get it.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Uh, ready for sustainable for humans, to show
up for a yearly for yielding 900human crops.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, okay.
So that alone was supposed totake five years, but within
three years, because Jimcouldn't do the right thing,
they've just got this influx ofpeople.
So the pioneers come, then thesettlers come, and the settlers
are building, the pioneers arecultivating and planting.
(18:45):
The settlers are coming andthey're living yeah, which is
great?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
kumbaya, they're actually thriving, thriving
until jim shows up and doesn'tshut up.
He doesn't shut up, neverfucking panic full on all the
time, day and nightconcentration camp.
Yes, his blaring, his, his, hispreachings and his voice all
(19:10):
over the loudspeakers.
And then you tie his paranoid,drug-induced catharsis.
And you tie over and over againyou tie in uh concern other
people that are just like whatthe fuck's really going on here,
because this isn't right and wewant to check this out.
So they send congressmen overthere to them right.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So you and I were taking a walk yesterday morning,
yeah and uh, we were recap.
We were we were listening to ourown pod because we just want to
, you know, we want to critiqueourselves, make sure it's good
content that we're putting outfor you guys, for sure so and I
was telling him I was likeanother thing that I didn't put
in the notes is literally rightbefore everybody gets their
(19:50):
passport, like the influx is bythe hundreds of people getting
their passport from this templeto go to Guyana.
There was a man whose wife wasa devoted follower and he tells
one of the reporters because helater on, you know, gives a
whole story of his experiencewith this bullshit.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
So he's saying that his wife is literally giving the
temple their personal shit thatthey're using day to day.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
It wasn't extra shit that they had their real
refrigerator, their realrefrigerator, that they use
their couch that they sat theirass on every day when he would
come home from work.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
In the name of Jim Jones.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
It wasn't extra shit they had in a storage unit, in a
closet, in a garage.
This was their things that theyused day to day.
This woman is literally givingthe church their personal
belongings that they used on oneveryday basis.
And then he comes home fromwork one day and she's gone.
Yeah, she's gone to Guyana.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, and she really gave everything that she had in
her own home.
Yes, and so did 900 otherpeople, right?
900 other people gaveeverything to go down and see
this prophet that has persuadedand lived communally.
He's persuaded everybody intobelieving he is a prophet and at
(21:14):
the end outcome, oh my God,lindsay.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
And I also.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I do mention you have to hear this shit.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I do mention in episode two that he starts his
rainbow family and he okay, sohis biological son is Stephen
Jones.
His adopted black son is JimWarren Jones, jr.
Okay, jim Jr.
So this boy, when they'reliving in Ukiah and they're
(21:43):
going to the public schoolsystem there, they're living
communally but they go to thepublic school system.
They don't get their owncommunal school until they go to
guyana, right, so little jimmyjones, uh junior, is going to
public school and he comes homeand he tells his dad that he's
been called the n-word with thehard r.
Okay, right.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
And it was.
It was part of a a common thingthat was happening in their
community, right?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Well, they moved to California thinking that they're
going to be more open minded,and it was not.
There was actually moreconservative.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
King and other people for being like these big
spokesmen for for change in life, and they didn't have any
change in life.
They were looking for thatchange.
Jim Jones was supposed to bethat.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
And he did make some of that happen when he got over
there.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
He did I support.
That's why I was saying we wereTeam Jims all the way until
right before Guy it startedgetting right when little.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Jimmy comes home and tells big daddy Jim that he says
you know what?
Fuck them, we're all N wordswith the hard R.
That's what we are, and anybodythat is not Can go fuck
themselves.
So he literally would tellpeople in his congregation we
literally were all the N wordswith the hard R.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
We all heard.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
And yeah, and he's like and these are white
motherfuckers over here, they'renot in words with the heart.
I mean it's just wild how hejust built this narrative and
how he just made these peopleand if you listen to part four,
where we have some of the peoplethat actually thank this
motherfucker as they're dying-yeah.
(23:25):
And just the way that hebrainwashed them and made them
think that they were as one.
They were family.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
It was like he's bringing in segregation,
religion and a prophet alltogether into his control and a
healer, yeah, but he couldn'theal his wife.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
No, he couldn't heal his wife, he couldn't later on
heal himself.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
So he banged everybody else and it was on a
book and I do mention this aswell.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
But he was asked why all the women that he were
banging was only white women.
You know, he said becausethey're not in words with the
hard R.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
So they're too bougie so.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I got to fuck them to make them better or to make
them like.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I need to.
I need to teach them somethingbecause they feel like they're
better than everybody else, so Iwon't.
I won't mess withAfrican-Americans.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And another thing that I don't mention, but that
was his whole fucking when theyget to Guyana.
One of his song leaders and Idon't know if she was just part
of the church band or if she waspart of the Jonestown Express,
who did put out records she wasthe lead singer and she was the
black woman.
Remember how I told you henever messed with black women
(24:44):
before that On YouTube.
check out the band he gotinfatuated with this black woman
and Steven and Jim Jones Jr,who did survive the whole
massacre.
They said that Daddy Jim Joneswould drug her so that he could
fuck her I mean, this is theirquote anytime he wanted he was
(25:07):
infatuated.
He was drugging this woman.
This was down in Guyana, oh wow.
And later on, after themassacre happens everybody,
including Jim Jr and Stephenthat survived the massacre in
(25:27):
Georgetown they're literallyheld by police and FBI and CIA
and officials.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Right Because they're now considered murderers Right
and then to fast forward, likeI've seen, the monument and
everything they put inCalifornia with them the
survivors and just.
It is so just.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Well, there's a whole Jimstown or Jonestown Institute
where you can.
I mean, there's so much.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Because there's so much that went into this.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I mean, politicians were players.
You had Rosalind Carter, youhad Jimmy Carter, you had George
Moscone.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, you had a heart , you had a Willie Willie.
Willie.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Brown, who was supposed to die.
Okay, so we have a wholeepisode on Harvey milk and
George Moscone, willie Brown,who was on that board of
officials, which is a weirdfucking conspiracy, yeah I mean,
I don't, I, I, I, I, I don'tbelieve that the killer of those
(26:28):
two people had anything to dowith that, but it was just very
coincidental.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
It was very coincidental.
You play in politics because hewas playing politics.
He was playing playing religion.
Yeah, people, absolutely Justso many different things.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
He was very much into politics and he was looking to
be like he was looking to runfor government officials as well
and to tie in.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
But then the bullshit came out about him.
He's like I got to go.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I got to skedaddle.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I got to get out of here.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I got to go 6,000, or they were supposed to go to
cuba and we don't know what'sreally happening and they had
these crazy practices on suicidebefore they actually committed
all the oh.
The white knight yeah, he gothim.
He was conditioning them and hehad actually been in bed with
one of the black panthersofficials also and uh.
So yeah, definitely read thosebooks road to jonestown, raven
or listen to them on audiobooklike I did.
You will be absolutely riveted,like I was.
(27:29):
I mean, I cannot rave aboutthem.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
We're horrified, riveted, everything, fascinated.
Well, conspire on and transpireof using power and you get more
of it.
And religion.
You get enough money and youcan get a group of people behind
you.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
And he picked the perfect group of people, which
was the oppressed and thedowntrodden.
There you go.
Just, he was like this is who,and I do believe in the
beginning he literally wanted todo good for these people.
We were on Team Jim for a whilethere and I do believe in the
beginning he literally wanted todo good for these people.
We were on Team Jim for a whileand then he said, oh, I can do
more, yeah, I can do this.
I can make them do whatever Iwant them to do.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, literally, for sure, for sure, and it's just at
that point it gets really scary.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Do not listeners if we, like Jesse said in another
episode, if we just reach 100 ofyou guys, don't fall for shit
like this.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
No.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Because I believe that there might be another cult
rising, because look ateverything our country is going
through now, it's hysterical, ithappens, you know.
Yeah, and the 70s were really abreeding ground for that type
of and we're in the cusp rightnow into so much propaganda and
they're swaying people left andright, no matter what.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Do not feed into it.
Wait and see the outcome andthen try to come up from it,
because do not let them sway you, dude.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Just you survive at your house.
Don't try to be the greatperson you can be.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
We love you all and we will see you guys next Friday
.
Check out all of our stuff andthank you guys for tuning in and
we'll see you guys then.
Bye.
hey, jesse lindsey, we're fixing to fucking bring
down the whole fuckingdebauchery are we doing it?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
it's raw.
It's fixing unedited content.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
It's fixing to happen y'all.
Thank you guys for tuning inand I'm fixing to drop.
Oh no, lindsey over here isfixing to fucking drop all the
recap on her big ass story forjim jones right we have four
parts.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Ladies and gentlemen, we worked hard.
Excuse me, I worked hard on theresearch on that jesse worked
hard on the editing because itwas a lot.
It's a lot.
It was like what?
Six hours total oh my god thatwe recorded on the bunch three
part series we're gonna fire off.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yes, we're gonna roll that intro real quick.
(01:10):
Hang on this.
This is a new segment calleddrunk unedited, so strap in.
I feel like we could just sithere with these headphones on
for like days.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, this is going to be raw and unedited, so strap
in yeah, I'm not going to edita fucking thing.
No, this is going to be happyWednesday.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Happy Wednesday, we're halfway through the week.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
You're welcome for some hump day content.
Hump day.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So we're just going to go straight off raw and I'm
not going to edit a fucking.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
all the ums, all the uh, all the hi, all the
gibberish and kerflunkle this is, you're gonna get it all this
is your straightest raw.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Thank you guys for following.
You're getting the fucking usright here unedited.
I am drunk as fuck, lindsay.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I am sorry, welcome to drunk about.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I'm not apologizing but you know you can get me, you
can get the real me in myfucking you.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You got some backstory on some things that
happened in jim's jones well,first I mean I did four parts
right here, live in our kitchen,what you knew about this case,
you knew the person and you knewthe massacre.
I watched a doc.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
What did?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
you think about everything that I brought in the
middle.
Did you have any idea about anyof that?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
No comparison to a documentary that I watched.
That's what.
I'm saying yeah, no, I mean,you really brought the full on.
I couldn't.
It was a bomb, dude, and I waspuddled, and I keep saying
puddled, because I feel likemelting underneath of our
fucking little kitchen table.
(02:56):
I just feel like melting, dude,like you really fucked us up
and you had a guest.
And then you had the same guesttwice.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
My bestie cindy, yes, and and she brought her, her
silent partner, yeah I mean, hewas just like but he knew.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
He knew this case as well, but he didn't know and I
didn't know, and we were justlike fuck and we drank some
fucking flavor aid at the end ofthis.
So you got a couple of dirtthings that you want to talk
about.
As far as recapping, everythingwas just horrific.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Well, yeah, there's.
I mean, like I said, I couldhave done a 10 part series on
this because, there's so much.
I listened to do to two verydetailed audio books by very,
two very great authors.
Go back and listen to part four, uh, where I plug those and
they're amazing, and I literallylistened to both of those books
simultaneously.
(03:54):
I would, uh dedicate a couplehours each day to each book, um,
because one is literallywritten by Raven is written by a
survivor from the shootout atport kaituma, where he was just
trying to go home and cover thiscase.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
it was a huge deal so let's recap honestly, let's
recap from jimba okay, so jimbahuman being right all the way up
to the point to where you guysneed to all look at what we did,
the four parts on.
He fucking killed, fucking over900 people.
So literally.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Let's start with jimba we called it jimba yeah,
because that's what he wascalled by his mother, lynetta
jones, when he's like he's.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Like he's trying to teach people how to do nazi
walks.
Yeah and and and good job andhe has on fucking it.
I keep saying it was abasketball it was baseball.
It was a baseball team I keepsaying we're getting the band
back together and he's travelingwith his with his whole fucking
entourage, so he had a loft inhis garage, not a garage in a
(05:01):
barn.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
He had a loft in his garage.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
He didn't even have a driver's license.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Not a garage in a barn, he had a loft in a barn
where he would give sermons andpep talks, and I mean he
literally became.
He was a practicing cult leaderfrom child age.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
From childhood.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
And this was all because he was literally
neglected by his parents.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Well, he was getting off on being able to get that
reception, of being able tocontrol people.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
When Ms Myrtle, when she came into his life and would
take him to sermons at Nazareneand she believed that anybody
other than a Nazarene was thedevil, she took him in.
But Jim was like I want toexperience other denominations
and he would go to their sermonsand he really would just absorb
(05:49):
the energy from the crowd.
He knew how to work it he andyou're you're in a very
religious time period of life,and that was what he became the
greatest showman.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I mean literally, literally and build a whole ass
fucking theme park of a religion.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
So then he goes on and he grows up to be an orderly
at a hospital where he'sdealing with death Right and he
meets Marceline and he gets hurt, Like he just has this
charismatic way about him thatjust sucks you in.
So you either get sucked in oryou get disgusted and leave.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
That's literally the energy of jen jones control or
get the fuck or bye yeah, it'scontroller by yeah, controller
by yeah you're right and you geteither feed into his bullshit
or get the fuck out.
But a lot of people, because ofwhat they were going through at
that time in the 60s and 70s,it was just like we're oppressed
(06:44):
.
We're going through so manychanges, the whole world.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I'm going through changes.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I mean RIP Ozzy Osbourne.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
RIP Ozzy.
And you're going through somany horrific changes in life.
Okay, so, jim, he grew uppost-World War II, then you got
Vietnam, and then you have theCold War, and you know just
people, there's veterans, andthen you have the oppression of
(07:16):
the black community.
Right, and he really just fedoff of that because and I will
say, I say it over and over inthe first two episodes of this
four-part saga he did the rightthing.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Right, he was riding on the segregation movement.
He was doing really good thingsfor the black community, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I mean amazing things that I can't even comprehend.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
It was great as to how he made it work.
We were on fully on Team Jim atthe beginning, Like first and
second second episode.
We're kind of team gem, yeah,we're kind of, and it kind of
started getting creepy.
It kind of started getting alittle.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
A little he was he was a little bit upset.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
He was obsessed with sex, and it was when he moved to
california, and I do talk aboutthat.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
He yeah he was obsessed with sex from a very
young age, because the book justbasically says that he lived in
a house with very small, thinwalls.
And his mother took in loverswhile she was still married.
(08:20):
She was wild.
She wore pants and smokedcigarettes in a day in a day and
age where you didn't smokecigarettes and wear pants in
public?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
yeah, for a lady she wasn't a lady.
He had been through world warone with all the shit that he
couldn't even he was kind offeeble he was, yeah, he was he
was out doing his own thing,trying to, you know, support he
had a gas injury from the fromthe in france mommy would bring
in some other people and do somedirty stuff and jim would like
partake like in listening andthat would be a part of his
(08:52):
livelihood as a child.
It was so big, you know yeah,and it's mental developmental
stuff.
She was kind of a free fuckingrange wide open flapper and she
condoned his audacity.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I literally talk about that.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
He couldn't do no wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
She loved it.
She was spiritual.
She was not religious.
She was spiritual and literallyhad in her mind I don't know
what she was going through, butshe had visions that she was
going to raise a great leader,and I mean honestly she did.
He was a great leader thatturned sour.
Way sour, that milk expired.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, and then later on, when he, you know, he did
his whole commune and turnedinto communism and they had to
get out of California.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Well, if he had just focused on doing amazing things
for the black community,everything would have been fine
and he would have went down inhistory as one of the greatest
humanitarians on this planet.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
If he would have rode the wave rightly.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
But it all turns, it all turns.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
But it all turns.
It all turns With.
My whole perspective on turnwas he was just a nasty-ass
human being that tried to tie inevery woman that he can get his
fucking hands on.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And what did I tell you Like after he met Father?
Divine boy, shit went a littlesour.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah a little south, yeah, a little south.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Like I said, in episode one or two, I can't
remember.
I am going to deep dive intoFather Divine later on down the
road.
We need to do a Father Divine,because Father Divine's cult
goes way back to the early 1900s.
Yeah, and Jim really covetedthe harem that this man created
(10:48):
and the theory of the what did Isay?
Reincarnation.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
And I did not put this in the story because, like
I said, I could have made this a10 part, but I wrapped it up
for you guys.
But, um, when father divine,when he passed away, you know he
was supposedly immortal, Um,but when he did pass away, jim
(11:17):
takes a group of the templemembers to mother divine who had
, you know, been a, at first a21 year old woman, um, who
supposedly the previous MotherDivine's body entered into the
original Mother Divine was ablack woman.
Second Mother Divine was a veryyoung white woman.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
That's what I was thinking to say.
He was like trying to pull inreincarnate human beings and
other people that are alreadyincarnated?
How do you reincarnate intoalready incarnated?
How do you reincarnate MotherDivine incarnated?
How do you reincarnate?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Divine became a very big influence.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
So, lindsay, at this point I feel like I'm part of
you right now.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Okay, yeah.
This was really happy Jim whena father divine passes away.
Jim takes a busload of people,a busload of temple members to
the estate of mother divine andas like guess what bitch I'm now
Father Divine.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
And you better honor me.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
But can I just take part of you as you're living and
just reincarnate part of you?
I don't have to take all of you.
You can be part of you.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Well, they called it like body jumping Right.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Right, I just want Spirit, want spirit jumping.
Basically, give me spiritjumping, give me 50 cent, yes
how the fuck?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
well, that didn't work out because, I mean, jim
had literal plans from the timehe met father divine until his
death, that, uh, which he hadreally literally named himself
Reverend major jealous divine,yeah, um, jim had plans from the
get go that he wanted to takeover that man's followers, right
(12:55):
, and you're just using likeself control.
Mother divine, she was smart,she didn't allow that shit to
happen.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
And I believe, like every conversation that they had
was just completely feeding inthe control of whatever is in
front of you.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
So you're speaking and you're like, okay, these
people are clapping and I'mgoing to say whatever the fuck
you can fucking say.
To get the biggest roar fromthe crowd and then also I'm
going to pass the plate.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Oh yeah, I'm going to pass this plate.
Absolutely Pass the plate passthe plate.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Oh yeah, I'm gonna pass this plate and you're gonna
pay this money because my shitis the greatest shit that you've
ever seen in your whole fuckinglife.
And that's a dynamic, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
They literally bring in people to get all their money
so they can form a full regimeof horrific religion inspiration
well, and it's all a facade,like he literally made people
believe that he was healingpeople by coughing up cancers or
(13:58):
shitting out cancers, or cancer, cancer, cancer, and it's all
chicken, guts, chicken guts it'sall and fucking it's all
chicken guts, chicken guts, it'sall fucking, it's all fake,
yeah.
Fake it's performative, and helearned that by watching other
people do the same shit.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Tent revivals.
Come to town.
That literally promised you'llspeak in tongues.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
So now he's a prophet .
So now he's a full on fuckingprophet.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
But he's got and he's got.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
And followers and shit.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
He uh patty cartnell, who's obsessed with him.
She wants to fuck him, shewants to be with him, but he's
like no, you're too fat.
So what you're gonna do isyou're gonna be my eyes and ears
first you're gonna be my eyesand ears you're gonna be my eyes
and ears and you're gonna tellme the information about these
people so that I can point themout in the crowd and tell them
(14:46):
shit about themselves that theydon't think that I know.
And then, later on, whenMarceline's back is broken and I
can't do sexy time with heranymore, you are going to be in
charge of my fuck schedule,which is going to come later on,
and that's more.
In part three, when we talkabout uh, we joke about it, it's
(15:09):
Jim Jones and deck sessions,his deck sessions and his fuck
schedule.
Yes, and I mean it's literallycalled that both in the road to
Jonestown and Raven.
It's literally called his fuckschedule.
That is not a joke.
That is verbatim what he talksabout or what, I'm sorry, what
(15:30):
both authors talk about in bothof those books.
I mean it's literally mentionedin both books.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
And you spent so much time doing all the research on
all that.
It was just.
It blew my mind Because Iwatched a little bit of
documentary and I'm not supposedto know what you talk about.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
On, your list.
That's a case that we knewabout.
It's just so famous.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, I mean I didn't know that much in depth.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
When you get 909 people to drink to their own
death.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, I mean.
I mean he built his wholeregime in California and then
shit went awry and then he hadto move to a third world country
and then because exposés werecoming about about the shitty
dealings in his church, whichwere beatings um his boxing
matches um pedophilia.
(16:23):
That was just tied intoeverything because Jim had a big
ass deck and we talk about that.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
It was just like, and he.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I mean Larry Layton literally gave up two of his
wives.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
For the cause, for the Jim Jones cause, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
We're not going to play music at the end of this, I
just no, this is a whole recapsession.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I just Unedited.
No, this is a whole recapsession here.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I just wanted to say any and all of this.
If you hear it, check out ourpast stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Sorry, I don't know what I did.
There we're at unedited raw.
Yes, unedited and raw.
This is raw.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
This is us as we go and drunk about it.
Exactly so you know.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
So when he sends his early pioneers to Jonestown to
start, you know it was anagriculture project.
That was literally what it wasunder listed in like the books
of the Guyanese law.
You know this property is herefor an agriculture project.
(17:26):
You're going to farm it andcultivate it there and turn it
into a community, which theywelcomed because that would have
brought in more money for their, for their and everything was a
great fucking experience untilJim showed up, so I don't want
to give away too much becauseyou guys got to check this shit
out.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You really do Well, like I told, like I do mention
you know to check this shit out.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
You really do.
Well, like I told, like I domention, you know, in the
beginning Okay, so you got thepioneers, they're coming in.
This was supposed to be a 10year projects before people
actually moved there and thatdidn't happen because Jim Jones
couldn't keep his deck in hispants.
But Okay, so you got yourpioneers, they're coming in
there.
But okay, so you got yourpioneers, they're coming in,
(18:09):
they're, they're, they'rechopping down this jungle,
they're, you know, um,cultivating the ground.
They're burning and they'recultivating and they're trying
to get it.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Uh, ready for sustainable for humans, to show
up for a yearly for yielding 900human crops.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, okay.
So that alone was supposed totake five years, but within
three years, because Jimcouldn't do the right thing,
they've just got this influx ofpeople.
So the pioneers come, then thesettlers come, and the settlers
are building, the pioneers arecultivating and planting.
(18:45):
The settlers are coming andthey're living yeah, which is
great?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
kumbaya, they're actually thriving, thriving
until jim shows up and doesn'tshut up.
He doesn't shut up, neverfucking panic full on all the
time, day and nightconcentration camp.
Yes, his blaring, his, his, hispreachings and his voice all
(19:10):
over the loudspeakers.
And then you tie his paranoid,drug-induced catharsis.
And you tie over and over againyou tie in uh concern other
people that are just like whatthe fuck's really going on here,
because this isn't right and wewant to check this out.
So they send congressmen overthere to them right.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So you and I were taking a walk yesterday morning,
yeah and uh, we were recap.
We were we were listening to ourown pod because we just want to
, you know, we want to critiqueourselves, make sure it's good
content that we're putting outfor you guys, for sure so and I
was telling him I was likeanother thing that I didn't put
in the notes is literally rightbefore everybody gets their
(19:50):
passport, like the influx is bythe hundreds of people getting
their passport from this templeto go to Guyana.
There was a man whose wife wasa devoted follower and he tells
one of the reporters because helater on, you know, gives a
whole story of his experiencewith this bullshit.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
So he's saying that his wife is literally giving the
temple their personal shit thatthey're using day to day.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
It wasn't extra shit that they had their real
refrigerator, their realrefrigerator, that they use
their couch that they sat theirass on every day when he would
come home from work.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
In the name of Jim Jones.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
It wasn't extra shit they had in a storage unit, in a
closet, in a garage.
This was their things that theyused day to day.
This woman is literally givingthe church their personal
belongings that they used on oneveryday basis.
And then he comes home fromwork one day and she's gone.
Yeah, she's gone to Guyana.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, and she really gave everything that she had in
her own home.
Yes, and so did 900 otherpeople, right?
900 other people gaveeverything to go down and see
this prophet that has persuadedand lived communally.
He's persuaded everybody intobelieving he is a prophet and at
(21:14):
the end outcome, oh my God,lindsay.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
And I also.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I do mention you have to hear this shit.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I do mention in episode two that he starts his
rainbow family and he okay, sohis biological son is Stephen
Jones.
His adopted black son is JimWarren Jones, jr.
Okay, jim Jr.
So this boy, when they'reliving in Ukiah and they're
(21:43):
going to the public schoolsystem there, they're living
communally but they go to thepublic school system.
They don't get their owncommunal school until they go to
guyana, right, so little jimmyjones, uh junior, is going to
public school and he comes homeand he tells his dad that he's
been called the n-word with thehard r.
Okay, right.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
And it was.
It was part of a a common thingthat was happening in their
community, right?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Well, they moved to California thinking that they're
going to be more open minded,and it was not.
There was actually moreconservative.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
King and other people for being like these big
spokesmen for for change in life, and they didn't have any
change in life.
They were looking for thatchange.
Jim Jones was supposed to bethat.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
And he did make some of that happen when he got over
there.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
He did I support.
That's why I was saying we wereTeam Jims all the way until
right before Guy it startedgetting right when little.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Jimmy comes home and tells big daddy Jim that he says
you know what?
Fuck them, we're all N wordswith the hard R.
That's what we are, and anybodythat is not Can go fuck
themselves.
So he literally would tellpeople in his congregation we
literally were all the N wordswith the hard R.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
We all heard.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
And yeah, and he's like and these are white
motherfuckers over here, they'renot in words with the heart.
I mean it's just wild how hejust built this narrative and
how he just made these peopleand if you listen to part four,
where we have some of the peoplethat actually thank this
motherfucker as they're dying-yeah.
(23:25):
And just the way that hebrainwashed them and made them
think that they were as one.
They were family.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
It was like he's bringing in segregation,
religion and a prophet alltogether into his control and a
healer, yeah, but he couldn'theal his wife.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
No, he couldn't heal his wife, he couldn't later on
heal himself.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
So he banged everybody else and it was on a
book and I do mention this aswell.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
But he was asked why all the women that he were
banging was only white women.
You know, he said becausethey're not in words with the
hard R.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
So they're too bougie so.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I got to fuck them to make them better or to make
them like.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I need to.
I need to teach them somethingbecause they feel like they're
better than everybody else, so Iwon't.
I won't mess withAfrican-Americans.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And another thing that I don't mention, but that
was his whole fucking when theyget to Guyana.
One of his song leaders and Idon't know if she was just part
of the church band or if she waspart of the Jonestown Express,
who did put out records she wasthe lead singer and she was the
black woman.
Remember how I told you henever messed with black women
(24:44):
before that On YouTube.
check out the band he gotinfatuated with this black woman
and Steven and Jim Jones Jr,who did survive the whole
massacre.
They said that Daddy Jim Joneswould drug her so that he could
fuck her I mean, this is theirquote anytime he wanted he was
(25:07):
infatuated.
He was drugging this woman.
This was down in Guyana, oh wow.
And later on, after themassacre happens everybody,
including Jim Jr and Stephenthat survived the massacre in
(25:27):
Georgetown they're literallyheld by police and FBI and CIA
and officials.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Right Because they're now considered murderers Right
and then to fast forward, likeI've seen, the monument and
everything they put inCalifornia with them the
survivors and just.
It is so just.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Well, there's a whole Jimstown or Jonestown Institute
where you can.
I mean, there's so much.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Because there's so much that went into this.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I mean, politicians were players.
You had Rosalind Carter, youhad Jimmy Carter, you had George
Moscone.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, you had a heart , you had a Willie Willie.
Willie.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Brown, who was supposed to die.
Okay, so we have a wholeepisode on Harvey milk and
George Moscone, willie Brown,who was on that board of
officials, which is a weirdfucking conspiracy, yeah I mean,
I don't, I, I, I, I, I don'tbelieve that the killer of those
(26:28):
two people had anything to dowith that, but it was just very
coincidental.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
It was very coincidental.
You play in politics because hewas playing politics.
He was playing playing religion.
Yeah, people, absolutely Justso many different things.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
He was very much into politics and he was looking to
be like he was looking to runfor government officials as well
and to tie in.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
But then the bullshit came out about him.
He's like I got to go.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I got to skedaddle.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I got to get out of here.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I got to go 6,000, or they were supposed to go to
cuba and we don't know what'sreally happening and they had
these crazy practices on suicidebefore they actually committed
all the oh.
The white knight yeah, he gothim.
He was conditioning them and hehad actually been in bed with
one of the black panthersofficials also and uh.
So yeah, definitely read thosebooks road to jonestown, raven
or listen to them on audiobooklike I did.
You will be absolutely riveted,like I was.
(27:29):
I mean, I cannot rave aboutthem.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
We're horrified, riveted, everything, fascinated.
Well, conspire on and transpireof using power and you get more
of it.
And religion.
You get enough money and youcan get a group of people behind
you.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
And he picked the perfect group of people, which
was the oppressed and thedowntrodden.
There you go.
Just, he was like this is who,and I do believe in the
beginning he literally wanted todo good for these people.
We were on Team Jim for a whilethere and I do believe in the
beginning he literally wanted todo good for these people.
We were on Team Jim for a whileand then he said, oh, I can do
more, yeah, I can do this.
I can make them do whatever Iwant them to do.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, literally, for sure, for sure, and it's just at
that point it gets really scary.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Do not listeners if we, like Jesse said in another
episode, if we just reach 100 ofyou guys, don't fall for shit
like this.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
No.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Because I believe that there might be another cult
rising, because look ateverything our country is going
through now, it's hysterical, ithappens, you know.
Yeah, and the 70s were really abreeding ground for that type
of and we're in the cusp rightnow into so much propaganda and
they're swaying people left andright, no matter what.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Do not feed into it.
Wait and see the outcome andthen try to come up from it,
because do not let them sway you, dude.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Just you survive at your house.
Don't try to be the greatperson you can be.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
We love you all and we will see you guys next Friday
.
Check out all of our stuff andthank you guys for tuning in and
we'll see you guys then.
Bye.
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