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November 12, 2025 36 mins

What if the scariest part of your favorite haunted tales isn’t the demon at the door, but the people who profit from your fear? We tear into the Warrens’ most famous cases and the broader ecosystem that turned moral panic into a business model—linking Amityville’s admitted hoax, Annabelle’s elastic mythology, and the Conjuring franchise’s “true story” aura to very human motives: money, status, and control.

We walk through a repeating pattern across the Warrens’ headline cases—financial strain, family turmoil, adolescent stress, and mental health challenges—conditions that can fuel misattribution and shared hysteria. That lens doesn’t erase personal experiences; it explains why ordinary grief and anxiety get reframed as demons when audiences and institutions reward sensational claims. Along the way, we confront prosperity preachers boasting about private jets, paranormal personalities with merchandised relics, and the way fear guarantees engagement even when facts don’t. We also address abuse allegations tied to Ed Warren, pushing past brand nostalgia to ask whether accountability matters as much as box office.

This conversation isn’t anti-horror; it’s pro-truth. We still love a good scare and a perfect slow-burn set piece. We just refuse to trade empathy for marketing. If you’re curious how to enjoy horror responsibly, we offer a toolkit: separate allegory from affidavit, ask for sources, look for mundane explanations before leaping to demons, and support creators who treat real people’s pain with care. The result? Better stories, sharper thinking, and fewer victims of manufactured dread.

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SPEAKER_01 (00:02):
Hey Lindsay!

SPEAKER_03 (00:03):
Hey Jesse, I can't see my face.
Hey girl.

SPEAKER_02 (00:08):
Oh, you're definitely in the screen.
Yeah, I'm in the screen.
That's all I'm pileup.
It's a four-car pile-up righthere.
Yes.
Well, we have to be this waybecause we are this way.
This is drunk about something.
Hey, everybody.
Cheers.
Everybody.

SPEAKER_03 (00:23):
Raw, unedited, and uncut.

SPEAKER_02 (00:28):
We have guesties.
They're besties.

SPEAKER_03 (00:30):
Besties and besties.

SPEAKER_02 (00:32):
So we have things to talk about, right?
We do.
We do.
Things to talk about.
I got them over here likethey're in the studio.
Can we get a little bit moregain on somebody turn the snare
up on this one?

SPEAKER_03 (00:44):
Snare in my drum?
In my in my in my headphones.
I was gonna say snare in mydrum.
Snare.
I'd like to uh please.

SPEAKER_02 (00:56):
They're the best they are.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00):
They are uh from Fire Below.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04):
Like when it comes to like playing Call of Duty,
I'm like on the$5 discount.
So we have like Turtle Beach,and I'm like, I'm gonna just
bring up my fucking quality onit.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15):
You want it louder.

unknown (01:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17):
So by the way, this is Lindsay, Jesse, and my bestie
Aaron Morgan over here.
Aaron Morgan, Aaron RussellSumner.
And then Morgan.
Is it Sumner Russell?
Or is it Russell Sumner?
It's Russell Sumner.
Okay.
Everybody, it's Russell Sumner.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:34):
I can give you more.
Do you want more?
I can give you more.
How's that?
Checky?

SPEAKER_03 (01:40):
Check, check, check.

SPEAKER_02 (01:41):
This is like, this is how we do this, right?
Is that better?
I don't know.
Is that better?
I don't know.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 (01:47):
That'd be so funny though.
If we would just have opposite,like last names.

SPEAKER_03 (01:53):
Well, I know another I know another couple that would
be.

SPEAKER_02 (01:55):
You're going back.
You're going back to get a newlicense.
You're going back.

SPEAKER_03 (02:01):
So it is Russell Sumner.
Yeah.
And um Bessie for almost twodecades.
And her lovely wife, Morgan.
And these are the parents of myfur grandbabies, not
grandbabies.
Niece and nephew, notgrandbabies.

SPEAKER_02 (02:19):
What made you feel old today?

SPEAKER_03 (02:20):
Oh my god, because I'm drunk and I don't know what
I'm saying.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (02:24):
These are not children.

SPEAKER_03 (02:26):
My niece and nephew, Bailey and Chewbarka.

SPEAKER_02 (02:29):
These are co-genzies over here.
These are co-genzies.

SPEAKER_03 (02:31):
Cogensies.

SPEAKER_05 (02:32):
You have to say it properly.

SPEAKER_03 (02:33):
Yes.

SPEAKER_05 (02:34):
It's Bailey Shithid.
Yes.
Russell Sumner.

SPEAKER_03 (02:36):
Russell Sumner.

SPEAKER_05 (02:38):
Chewy Barca.
No, Chewbarka Winston.

SPEAKER_03 (02:41):
Oh, right.

SPEAKER_05 (02:41):
Chewbarka Winston?
Oh my god.
Chebarka Winston, RussellSumner.

SPEAKER_03 (02:47):
I love it so much.

SPEAKER_05 (02:48):
It's ridiculous.
I love it.
Can you guess what Shithidmeans?

SPEAKER_03 (02:52):
No.
Shithid?

SPEAKER_05 (02:54):
Shithead.

SPEAKER_03 (02:55):
Shithead! Woo! I was about to say that and then you
just blurted it.
And I was like, wait.
I was like, I've heard thisbefore.
I've seen it in a meme.
Shithid.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (03:05):
They've been going all day, everybody.
It's just been nonstop, and I'mjust riding the wave.

SPEAKER_03 (03:10):
It's been amazing.
It's been an amazing wave.
Don't act like you're not.

SPEAKER_02 (03:14):
Oh, okay.
Okay.
I've been I've been makingwaves.
That's right.
I've been making the waves.
No, so we're here and we want totalk about something that
Lindsay talked about for thelast month and a half.

SPEAKER_03 (03:26):
And they know about it.
I did.
They know about it.
Yes.
The Warrens.
Oh, bum bum bum.

SPEAKER_02 (03:34):
I heard wamp womp and I heard all kinds of cool
stuff.
I love it.
I love having guests.
It's so fun.
Yes.
It's so fun.

SPEAKER_03 (03:41):
Yeah, we uh we recorded our regular feed
episode, and now we are drunkabout something.

SPEAKER_02 (03:47):
Which, you know, that'll be out Friday, so that's
gonna be get broke.
All of us.

SPEAKER_03 (03:53):
But this is Wednesday, so y'all are getting
the aftermath of the war end.
We're having we're having a JimJones here and a Jim Jones
there.

SPEAKER_02 (04:02):
Here a Jim, there a gym, everywhere a Jim Jim.

SPEAKER_03 (04:06):
And Aaron's like, I do know Jim Jones.

SPEAKER_02 (04:08):
I'm working at some Jim Jones.
I think if you know the JimJones, if you don't know the Jim
Jones, just go back.
We'll uh we explained it inprevious podcast.
We'll just leave it like that.
We're not gonna tell them thistime.

SPEAKER_03 (04:22):
Uh it's just backen flavoring.

SPEAKER_02 (04:28):
Yeah, you told it.
You spilled the beans.
I spilled the seed.
No arsenic, though.
We promise.
Zero arsenic in our Jim Jonesdrink.

SPEAKER_05 (04:36):
Thank you, Jesse.

SPEAKER_02 (04:39):
You're here forever now.

SPEAKER_03 (04:41):
Zero cyanide.

SPEAKER_02 (04:44):
Oh, that's what it was.
Yeah, cyanide.
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 (04:46):
I guess.

SPEAKER_02 (04:49):
Whatever.
I mean.
So we're gonna talk about somesome shit, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_03 (04:54):
Alright, so I'm gonna look, I'm gonna let you
roll off the hip of everythingthat I've taught you about the
Warrens.
Go ahead.
End your own.

SPEAKER_02 (05:02):
Lindsay literally was like, dude, I want to go to
this house.
So we did our trip all the wayup to Maine and back, right?
And she's like, I kind of wantto stop the conjuring house.
I'm like, I don't really know.
It would have been like uhanother a day almost.
Because it's in Rhode Island.
Yeah.
Yeah.
To to get over and just do thethings.
And I was like, I don't know.

(05:23):
And then and then come to findout it was all bullshit.

SPEAKER_03 (05:27):
I just wanted to see the house.
I knew I already knew it wasjust one of them.

SPEAKER_02 (05:30):
You wanted to go to the Ocean Avenue.

SPEAKER_03 (05:32):
No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 (05:33):
Oh, that was the other one, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (05:35):
Okay, so Amityville in New York.

SPEAKER_02 (05:37):
Yeah, New York.
You mentioned that one too, sothat's why I'm like, uh kind of,
you know.
Doing a thing.
But uh okay, so but but youwanted to do both.
You you mentioned both of them.

SPEAKER_03 (05:49):
Well, 112 Ocean Avenue was the Amity House.

SPEAKER_02 (05:52):
So we talked about that one first.
Went through the whole shit onthat, come to find out it's just
shitty people with shittysituations and uh little hidden
fucking relationship that wasgoing on in that.

SPEAKER_03 (06:04):
Uh, so I just wanted to um share some new information
that I found post the 112 OceanAvenue episode.
So basically, the um the Lutzesdid come out at some point and

(06:25):
say it was in fact a hoax.
I was under the impression thatthey carried that to their
grave, but there was, in fact, atime period where they did say
that it was a hoax.

SPEAKER_02 (06:36):
I don't know the beginning of the whole conjuring
series of many, many, manythings that we've talked about
over the last month and a half.
And everybody has probablywatched the movies, probably
Amityville and conjuring thefirst conjuring film.
The nun, the hooking.
I do too.

SPEAKER_05 (06:52):
It's so creepy, like warrants and all their grifton
ass bullshit.

SPEAKER_01 (06:56):
Grift.

SPEAKER_05 (06:57):
Like it's a it's a creepy fucking film.

SPEAKER_01 (06:59):
Don't get caught griftin.
Don't get caught grifton.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (07:06):
I love my voice on the headphones over here.
Can somebody turn up the moresnare in my headphones again,
please?
Well, all I that's not good.
Oh, oh, we're we're jamming overhere.

SPEAKER_03 (07:17):
So basically, recapping our one and two parts.
So we talked about in the firstpart of the warrant.
So we talked about the originsof Annabelle and the folks that
lived at the conjuring house.
And I don't have my notes infront of me.

(07:38):
That's right.
And I have already forgotten thenames of the people that lived
at the conjuring house.

SPEAKER_02 (07:44):
Yeah, so make sure you go back and listen to those
episodes.
It's been so much that just wejust we you you go back and you
try to relate so muchinformation that you write down
a list of is uh killing it whenshe has that script in front of
her.
Well, y'all were so impressed.

SPEAKER_05 (07:59):
I'm gonna tell you like being human, like it
fucking sucks because you wishyou were a fucking computer and
you can fucking remember allthis bullshit.

SPEAKER_02 (08:07):
You know, like Lindsay got a little bit of
badass over here in there.
I love it.
I'm so impressed.

SPEAKER_05 (08:11):
Like, she is really uh I don't know how she reads
this fucking script because likeshe just like it's more than
just a script, it's just liketalking to you while telling you
stuff.
But it's more than that.
It's just like it's a fucking Idon't know.

SPEAKER_02 (08:32):
She has it's impressive, it really is, and
it's a lot of research and thestuff she puts together.

SPEAKER_05 (08:37):
The research is what matters the most, and I think
her reading that is whatmatters.
So, but anyway, um, you know,like we were uh with the
Annabelle Dahl, right?
Um who is it?

SPEAKER_02 (08:54):
The comedian that talked about Mark Reif, yeah.
Matt Reif.
Not Mark.
Mark Mark and Matt, there's youknow, it doesn't matter.
And I didn't know about thatbecause I thought he was cool
until Lindsay told me he wasn'tcool.
So that was that sucked.
She's like, no, he's canceled.
I'm like, oh, that's a thing,really?

(09:15):
You're really gonna see.
And then she waited.
She waited a week to tell mewhy.
And I didn't know why, because II don't know shit about fuck.
Yeah, you know, and I'm not whowants to say Lindsay loves it
that way, I think.

SPEAKER_03 (09:27):
Who wants to say why?
Well, on top of uh thinking thatdomestic violence is funny, he
also had an online spat with achild.
That's that part.
Yeah.
Over all of uh his like fakeapology and sh- I mean Yeah, no.
That's funny's not you don't seefor like what a solid year or

(09:48):
so.

SPEAKER_05 (09:49):
He was just all over TikTok.

SPEAKER_02 (09:50):
And it was boom boom.

SPEAKER_05 (09:51):
And now he's nowhere can't find his ass.
Can't good.

SPEAKER_02 (09:55):
I didn't know.
I didn't know.
She just she stole it.
Well, he stole it away from me.
He you know, I thought he wascool.
You gotta be a good human being.
Come on here, bud.

SPEAKER_05 (10:06):
Like there's company, there's punching, he he
punches down.
And you know, that's not it'sjust like okay then, but then,
you know, yeah, his his jokesabout domestic violence and
stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 (10:17):
It's like Yeah, he's like the Reggie all nutty
professor.

SPEAKER_05 (10:20):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (10:21):
Yeah, we're just waiting for old buddy love to
show him what the fuck's up.

SPEAKER_03 (10:26):
Is that me?
Yeah.
Well, it's like, and when yousee him after he fell from
grace, it was like now helatched on to this and Lorraine
Warren shit where he bought it,you know, bought the rights to
some of their properties, butI'm like, but buddy.

SPEAKER_02 (10:44):
It's all fake.

SPEAKER_03 (10:45):
It's all fake.

SPEAKER_05 (10:47):
I mean, that's his dumb shit decision to make, so
fuck him.

SPEAKER_03 (10:50):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 (10:51):
Yeah, exactly.
Maybe it's like a redemptionkind of thing for him.
Um, and I'm not sure.
Hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_02 (11:00):
Okay, we're gonna have this conversation here.
We're gonna have this one.

SPEAKER_05 (11:05):
I don't know him any more than you guys do.
But what I'm saying is, as acomedian, but also as someone
who's trying, maybe he justadmires what they are doing, you
know, grifting.

unknown (11:22):
Oh.

SPEAKER_05 (11:26):
Maybe he was trying to like redeem something and
like some some kind of aspectand you know.

SPEAKER_02 (11:35):
So Mr.
Reif needs to hear our podcastbecause he's trying to hang on
to a legacy that's all fake.

SPEAKER_05 (11:40):
That or he has a bunch of money and he might be
fucking buddies with ZachBegins.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (11:48):
Zach Bagins is the next Ed in Lorraine.
What?
Are they?

SPEAKER_01 (11:53):
Are they?
He's the current grifter.
Oh.
Yeah.
Don't get caught grifting.
Eric, I'm a I'm a fucking demonnow, dude.

SPEAKER_02 (12:03):
No, like satanic panic and and using all of that
has just been a real awakeningfor me because, you know,
Lindsay and I were both raised,you know, you better not do
that, devil's going come get youain't kidding, you know?
Um, you know, the fear.
Yeah, they were they raise us infear, and they use that as a
demographic for being whateverthey want you to be.

(12:26):
And of course, you have to bringyour wallet to the church and
empty that out too.

SPEAKER_03 (12:30):
You know, so well, and um I'm gonna go off of one
of me and Aaron's favoritepodcasters of the last podcast
on Left Boys.
So Ed Larson says in theircoverage on Ed and Lorraine
Warren, he says, you know what?
So they were so the priests wereworking with the Warrens to keep
people scared so they would keepgoing to church.

(12:52):
And you have said that many atimes.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (12:59):
Isn't that what religion is?

SPEAKER_03 (13:02):
All fear-based.
Fear-mongering, all the fear.

SPEAKER_02 (13:09):
Not that we're shitting on anything.
You mean do your own thing andbelieve your own beliefs.

SPEAKER_05 (13:13):
Exactly.
I'm not trying to shit onanything.

SPEAKER_02 (13:16):
Like, it's just like But we're shitting on it all at
the same time.
We're shitting on we're shittingon you using that for a come up.
You know what I'm saying?
Why do you fucking have fourleer jets?
You know, but we're gonna passthe fucking pot again.
You know, that's that's a thing,you know.
Tax fucking billionairereligions.
You know, if you if you'refucking you're banking off of
this shit and you're makingother people broke, you're not

(13:37):
getting closer to heaven.
I can't you're not gettingcloser.

SPEAKER_05 (13:39):
Did you see the TikTok that was uh a pastor and
he is like, this Rolls Royce,you know, the congregation?
The dining one, yeah.
Did I drive it?
No.

SPEAKER_02 (13:49):
You know, and the pastor that's like, you brought
a thousand or twelve hundreddollars, but I said two
thousand.
Yeah, and he wanted more money.
I'm like, come on, lock thedoors.
We need to pass the plate again,yeah.
Come on, y'all.
Come on.

SPEAKER_03 (14:02):
Well, so I shared a uh video to Jesse about two
pastors that I was um raised inwatching daily, which was
Kenneth Copeland and JesseDuPlantis, and where they talked
about how God blessed them withjets.
And so please, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (14:20):
Not the New York Jets, but you know, they could
buy them if they wanted to inthe name of Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 (14:25):
Like actual like fucking jets to get in and and
and go to another, you know,preaching ceremony.
This is their career.
This is they turn God and Jesusand religion and fear-mongering
into a career where now theyhave private jets.
And Jesse DuPlantis not only hasone, but he has two.

SPEAKER_02 (14:48):
Why do you need two?
You can't fly on both of thesame fucking time.

SPEAKER_05 (14:52):
Because God told him to take the other private jet.
One was that gas.

SPEAKER_02 (15:02):
No, and and and you know, and and we're not, yeah,
honestly, we're not shitting onanything other than the point of
we're shitting on that point.
We're shitting on that point, ifyou understand where we're
coming from.
And and you know, to each hisown, do your things, but be
awake a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 (15:20):
If you can afford a private jet, fuck you.

SPEAKER_02 (15:23):
Like period.
Yeah, you can get you can youcan go to you can go to God in a
in a regular plane, you know?

SPEAKER_05 (15:28):
Yeah, I'd like to bring Billy Eilish into There
you go.

SPEAKER_02 (15:33):
Talk about it.

SPEAKER_05 (15:33):
Go ahead, Billy Eilish saying, you know, why are
you a billionaire?

SPEAKER_02 (15:39):
Yeah, if you're a billionaire, why?

SPEAKER_05 (15:41):
Why?
Yeah, you you can fuckingdonate.
And guess what?
And she donated a fifth of hernet worth.

SPEAKER_02 (15:47):
11 million bucks, right?
Yeah.
Just right off rip.

SPEAKER_05 (15:50):
That's fucking amazing.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (15:51):
You know, like who needs to do that?
All of them?

SPEAKER_05 (15:55):
At least pay your taxes.
At least pay their taxes.

SPEAKER_02 (15:59):
We're revolutioning in here over the fear.
I mean, Lindsay, okay, Lindsay.
Billy Eyelash.
Yes, Billy Eyes.
All the love to William Eyelash.
All the love.
Now back to Lindsay over here.
She's been touched by thoseiconic assets.

SPEAKER_03 (16:16):
I literally, they have literally touched me.
Both of them.
But going back to WilliamEyelash.

SPEAKER_02 (16:23):
Does it feel more when I do it?
Does it is it, I mean, can I getcan I get a thousand dollars
every time I do that?
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (16:30):
I know, and that's what like that's what fucking
pisses me off as being raised inthat type of environment.
To think that a human beingtouching you means something is
weird.

SPEAKER_02 (16:45):
You're stripping away from the religion when
you're trying to manifest um adivine entity by yourself.
It's just showing your completenarcissistic fucking full-on
just in the Catholic religion,uh, priests are supposed to be
uh not vessels, but um conduits.

SPEAKER_03 (17:06):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (17:07):
Like, so they work, God tells them, and they, you
know.
So like I think in that aspect,the whole touching is supposed
to be the Holy Spirit of whichof the three branches of the
divine whatever, you know, God,Jesus, or the Holy Spirit.
You know, I think that's whatthey mean when they're, you
know, oh, you've been touchedbecause they believe God is

(17:27):
working through them and they'rea vessel.

SPEAKER_02 (17:29):
But don't break people while you're trying to do
it.
Don't break their don't breaktheir homes and their wives.

SPEAKER_05 (17:33):
I think touching people like, you know, just keep
your hands to yourself.
Hold on, no, I think I thinktouching people is more than
necessary, right?
We're human.
And we need to fucking touchpeople because we're human.

SPEAKER_02 (17:52):
The connection.

SPEAKER_05 (17:53):
But it matters in the content and what not
content, but the context inwhich we're doing that.
You know, like we we can't justbe doing it because we want
fucking money, because we touchsomeone, or you know, bullshit,
whatever.
Um you know, it it matters, youknow, me hugging you is because

(18:17):
I fucking love you, right?

SPEAKER_02 (18:19):
Love is free, love is real, is free, you know.

SPEAKER_05 (18:22):
Love should be free.

SPEAKER_02 (18:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (18:26):
It should be free.

SPEAKER_02 (18:28):
Not feared, not paid for.

SPEAKER_05 (18:29):
And you know, what I fucking hate so much is just
saying, man, there's a lot of AIbullshit nowadays.
Yeah, but they're still the sameguys that just want to make a
buck off of the content thatthey create because they're
like, hey, I'm fucking giving athousand dollars to this

(18:54):
homeless man.
That bothers me, you know, andit's like maybe it's even more
than that.
Like, you know, maybe it'swhatever, it doesn't matter, but
it's like the the purpose forthem is to make content.

SPEAKER_02 (19:13):
And I fucking hate Oh yeah, the the people that try
to use that as a come-up, yeah,their charity is their come-up,
and it's all fake, yeah.
So that's like the fake realityTV.
That's that's another version ofMTV that went to shit, right?
Yeah, well, it's more like is itMTV closing?
I heard that MTV was closing.
I heard it was MTV was gonnashut down finally.

(19:33):
I mean, we we experienced that.
It ended in the uh early 2000s.

SPEAKER_05 (19:39):
Like they they canceled him.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (19:41):
Holy shit.

SPEAKER_05 (19:42):
They canceled it.
Millions of dollars per fuckingseason.

SPEAKER_03 (19:46):
Season, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (19:47):
And it's justified because it was actually every
fucking episode ever saw wasactually like just new, you
know, like it wasn't just a uhremake, you know.
That's that's the differencebetween all these episodes that
you see online or on uh uhtelevision, you know, that's

(20:10):
that's what he did differently,right?

SPEAKER_02 (20:13):
And yeah, so that's why he made so much money, but
they unfortunately uh, you know,they canceled him because it's
well I am just honestly I'm gladthat people can do that in a
good way, you know, where theycan be like well some people
need to be shut down, like theWarren.
Yeah, yeah.

(20:33):
So back back to back to ourstories.

SPEAKER_01 (20:36):
So we could go on for days.

SPEAKER_02 (20:39):
Um Lindsay's like, Lindsay just she she really did,
though.
And we're we we wanna we want toshare it on a big on a wide
spectrum because Lindsay justshe she threw all that out
there, the whole universe, andit all says this is based on a
true story, and it wasn't noneof it.

SPEAKER_03 (20:55):
True events, or true events, right?
But none of the events.
So the Lutzes had to come upfrom the whole DeFeo family
massacre.
Then you have um that you know,Annabelle, these girls accepted
this doll as an entity in theirhouse because they felt like she

(21:15):
was um a lost soul.
But at the same time, it's alsobeen speculated that they were
just playing a prank on theboyfriend.
So, and then you have uh, youknow, the conjuring house where
there was mental illness in thefamily there.
Then you have the Hodgson familyover where the Enfield

(21:37):
poltergeist happened, you havemental illness there, where they
tried to make a girl who wasgoing through a very hard time
adjusting to her mom and dadbeing divorced and her dad
having a new younger wife thatwas when he was so when he would
come over to the house to paychild support, he would flaunt

(22:00):
this new younger wife, which wasfucking with the mom, it was
fucking with the kids, and thefamily was going through hard
times.
Then you had the Smurl family,who was also experiencing
hardship and hard times.

SPEAKER_02 (22:22):
He had the nun experience, that's why he
brought it into the whole Well,that was in his childhood, yes.

SPEAKER_03 (22:27):
So that's in the nun came from.

SPEAKER_02 (22:29):
And it's like we're gonna tie that in too.
We're gonna you know I thinkthat was the beginning of his uh
come-up psychosis of usingreligion for um uh a way for for
gaining mass hysteria andmonetary fucking come up with.

SPEAKER_03 (22:43):
Well, that's what um the CSI cop organization, they
were literally trying to bringthat to light to where, hey,
these all these families and allthese situations, these are
people going through hard timeswhich can affect you mentally.
And it's all a pattern.
Like all these people areexperiencing the same exact

(23:06):
shit, but in a different form.

SPEAKER_02 (23:08):
And they they got into the situations where they
couldn't even afford the placesthey were at.
Right.
And they always had some uh uhuh wayward child in the middle
of all of it.

SPEAKER_03 (23:18):
Well, starting with the Lutz family in Amityville,
they they got into a home thatthey couldn't afford.
Right.
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (23:26):
Causes a lot of things.

SPEAKER_03 (23:27):
And then then you go all the way down to the Snedeker
family, which was um the lastcase, the last very you know,
famous case that I can that Icould find that the Warrens were
a part of, where they, you know,the the child in the house had
Hodgkin's lymphoma and thensexually assaulted assaulted his

(23:49):
family members.

SPEAKER_02 (23:50):
Try to blame it on it.
Uh fucking uh being exer uh anexorcist uh he was being
possessed and they're had tobring in the whole the whole the
whole Warren fucking thing andwe're gonna exercise it out of
it.

SPEAKER_03 (24:03):
And then the the the father figure in that home, I
think it was Al.
Yes.
So he was, you know, he saidthat he was sodomized by a
spirit.
Like there's a lot more at playhere than j than you know
paranormal activity.

SPEAKER_06 (24:21):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (24:21):
This is mental illness among all of these
family members, and what the CSIcop or or organization said was
mass or or uh shared hysteria.
Yes, shared hysteria.

SPEAKER_02 (24:34):
And now what you know, once you start feeding off
of everybody else and all theirlittle things, it becomes bigger
things.
It's a big snowball effect.
So I get it.
I was on the fence for what,like three almost to the last
part, the last the last episodethat or the the last podcast
that we did, it was not on theleft, but it was you know, it

(24:54):
was a good one.
It was ours.
But um, all the way to the pointwhere you you brought Ed's
fucking thing into where he wasbasically molesting somebody
that was not basically legitmolesting a child.

SPEAKER_03 (25:12):
Yeah, and and and this person, you know, Judith
Penny, she was basically aliving s slave to the Warrens
who stayed with them well intoher adult.

SPEAKER_02 (25:26):
That's where I broke.
I was like, I'm fucking done,I'm fucking out, fuck all the
fuck, fuck.

SPEAKER_06 (25:31):
Fuck y'all, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (25:32):
Yeah, we can all say fuck at the same time.
One, two, three.

SPEAKER_06 (25:36):
Fuck!

SPEAKER_02 (25:38):
Fuck but no, um that that's pretty much our take on
it.
Like uh, you had so much contentthat you put out there, so much
deep dive into all that into thepodcast.
It was a journey.
It was a journey, and I'm sureyou guys are are have checked
some of it out, and you're gonnacheck all the rest of it out.
Thank you guys for being herewith us.

(25:59):
And you know all the fuckingabout fuck.

SPEAKER_00 (26:02):
Yeah, you know all the shit about fuck.

SPEAKER_02 (26:04):
So I didn't know.
I mean, I I watched some of themovies.
I mean, and some of the Iwatched The Nun, the first
conjuring, I gave up after that,you know?

SPEAKER_03 (26:13):
Yeah, we didn't we never went past the first
conjuring.
And and like I told you, I mean,I was a sh after I found out
about Ed Lorraine's uhbackground, I was ashamed that I
was scared of that movie.

unknown (26:26):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (26:27):
Like in the beginning.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (26:28):
I didn't I didn't know until I think I don't know,
yeah, I think it was after thefirst conjuring.
And I was like, I I I like thefilm.
I still actually like the filmbecause it's genuinely creepy.

SPEAKER_03 (26:40):
It's still good entertainment.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (26:42):
It's it's just creepy.
But don't portray it as beinganything ever that really
happened.

SPEAKER_05 (26:46):
No, and then the second film I watched, but
that's when it like thingsstarted like popping up about
them, and you know, and then itjust sort of snowballed, not in
their favor.

SPEAKER_03 (26:58):
Well, this in this day and age, the truth is gonna
come out.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (27:01):
So honestly, like I would I would rather portray
anything that Ed Gean did, allthe movies that rolled off of
that, because at least they usedwhat he fucking did.
Not not not giving him anycredit.
But at least they made somebadass movies after that and
they used what really happened.
And twisted that into movies,but don't twist fake shit into
movies and and and say that it'sbased on something, you know?

SPEAKER_05 (27:24):
And no, though, I didn't see Buffalo Bill with a
nipple belt.
It's not a historical movie.

SPEAKER_02 (27:31):
Wouldn't that have been good?
That would have been so good.
That good by horses, though?
That's Jesse's jam.

SPEAKER_05 (27:43):
I love that.
I love that song so much that II on one playlist I have three
covers of it.
Like good ass, good ass versionsof it.

SPEAKER_02 (27:51):
Yeah?
Yeah.
We gotta find those bands andplug them on the pod.

SPEAKER_05 (27:54):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (27:57):
Made him so giddy right now.

SPEAKER_05 (27:59):
Yeah.
Urban Heat is one of them.
Urban Heat.
Dead by Sunday.
I believe Dead by Sunday.
I do it.
There's one other thing.

SPEAKER_02 (28:06):
I didn't know there were cover songs of Goodbye
Horses.
This is why you're here.
This is why you're fucking here.

SPEAKER_05 (28:12):
Add it to the playlist.
Add it to the playlist.
Thank you.
But hey, um, can we talk aboutum fuck.
What was it?
Uh shit.
What was that?
Um that show.
Ghost of the brain dead.

SPEAKER_02 (28:32):
I wanna I want to talk about names.

SPEAKER_05 (28:35):
On this on this name.
The woman and the daughter.
The the the mother and thedaughter.

SPEAKER_03 (28:42):
Oh, the gypsy rose?
No.
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (28:45):
The uh unknown number.
Unknown number.
Oh, we so he and I.

SPEAKER_02 (28:49):
Yeah, yeah.
Did we do a recap on that?
We did.
We did.
Oh, we did.
Oh, so what?

SPEAKER_05 (28:56):
We can talk about it.
Again, we're gonna do it.
We watched it.
I hate my fucking TV.
And I wanted to beat the shitout of my TV because of this
motherfucker.
So she's a bitch.
Like, we all wanted to crawlthrough the fucking television
and strangle this fucking bitch.
I don't I don't even care whatthe fucking show is called.

SPEAKER_02 (29:15):
I think that they're gonna do that.
They have to do some shit on Edand Lorraine, too, right?
They'll bring that.
They need to do some shit on thebring up the shit.
Yeah.
Like the real shit.

SPEAKER_03 (29:26):
But as far as Netflix Unknown Number goes, I
have listened to several otherpodcasts also like review that,
and they we all feel the same.

SPEAKER_06 (29:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (29:37):
Why the fuck was she able to act like sh I I don't
even know the words.

SPEAKER_05 (29:46):
For the documentary.

SPEAKER_02 (29:47):
And I'm in the middle of being arrested, but
I'm gonna hang out with mydaughter right here this close.
Literally.
And the fuck that's a goodthing.
I'm gonna console her whileshe's going through this shit
that I've done.

SPEAKER_05 (30:00):
Right.
Like Kendra.
Kendra.
Okay, I couldn't be her name.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (30:03):
Don't be scared to get near the mic.
We're rolling uncut in.

SPEAKER_04 (30:05):
Fuck that motherfucking bitch.
There you go.
Revolution.
Revolution.
Revolution.

SPEAKER_02 (30:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (30:14):
Fuck her.
No.

SPEAKER_02 (30:15):
Yeah, and tell everybody.
Everybody on there.
We're gonna be on YouTube andeverything.

SPEAKER_04 (30:19):
Fuck that bitch.
Fuck it.
Kendra.

SPEAKER_02 (30:21):
Yes.
Well, what about what about thewhat about the neighbor?
That we talked about.
The perfect neighbor.
Perfect one.
Have you seen that?
Oh my god.
Have you seen it?

SPEAKER_05 (30:30):
Oh my god, that's the one who kidnapped their
child twice?
No, no, no.
No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 (30:33):
The other lady in Marion County.

SPEAKER_05 (30:38):
No, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (30:39):
You haven't seen it?

SPEAKER_05 (30:39):
Yes, they did.

SPEAKER_02 (30:41):
Yes.
We talked about it.
We're doing like recaps ofrecaps now.

SPEAKER_05 (30:47):
That was so heartbreaking.
And it was even more powerful asas the story played out through
through camera footage.
You know, the um the oh fuck,what's it called?
The the body cam footage.

SPEAKER_03 (31:04):
I loved it.
I love that.

SPEAKER_05 (31:05):
Oh my god, those poor babies.
They just wanted to hang out andbe kids and I hated that part,
but I love that that it wasabout that story though.

SPEAKER_03 (31:12):
They couldn't, you can't fuck that up because it's
on camera.
Like you can't.

SPEAKER_02 (31:17):
It's on the body cam, yeah.
That was bad.
I was asking Lindsay real quick.
I was like, is this stillrecording over here?

SPEAKER_03 (31:23):
Yeah, it's still hey, I can't see because it's
fucking we we're doing thisshit, it's just us.

SPEAKER_02 (31:30):
Hey, and by the way, I think we're all kind of a
little tipsy.
So uh that's why I'm slashy.
One of these days I'm gonna beprofessional, but you know, uh,
get us there.
That's you know, like,subscribe, and share, and get us
there.

SPEAKER_05 (31:44):
We're investing.

SPEAKER_02 (31:46):
We'll still be feral, but whatever.
Hey, we're gonna have to haveyou guys on again because this
has been so fun.
I think that like, okay, we didwe did the regular podcast,
which was fucking horrific.
Holy shit.
Check that out, right?
That'll be our Friday.
And just having you guys on andbouncing back and forth because,
like, okay, we have so much incommon, but at the same time,

(32:08):
there's good things.

SPEAKER_03 (32:11):
Yes, yeah, let her finish.
Can we go ahead?

SPEAKER_02 (32:13):
Can we talk about it?
I am sorry.
Give your views.
I'm not trying to roll the I'mnot trying to roll the boat on
you.
I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_05 (32:17):
No, I'm not, you're not rolling the boat.
Like, I just like you know,after watching that, like wasn't
it?
That was horrifying.
And I think I think that storyneeds more coverage.

SPEAKER_02 (32:30):
Oh, we did a whole recap on it, but I want your I
want your input.
And do not be shy.
Put it out there.

SPEAKER_05 (32:38):
I mean, um I'm glad that she's in fucking prison.
And we died in prison.

SPEAKER_02 (32:43):
She died in prison.

SPEAKER_05 (32:45):
Because what the fuck do you mean?

SPEAKER_02 (32:48):
You I just did you hear about her hitting up the
kids?

SPEAKER_05 (32:52):
Yes.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (32:53):
That's news to you.

SPEAKER_03 (32:54):
I was just about to say that too.

SPEAKER_05 (32:56):
Just to apologize?
Is that what you're showing?
No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 (33:00):
She's suing them.
She's suing them.
What after deformation?
That's news.
So that's that's another updateon that.
She is trying to sue them fromprison.
No, no, no way.
So yes, I'm on, yeah, I'm withyou.
I'm revolutionary.

SPEAKER_05 (33:17):
Suing children after murdering their mother because
she knocked off the room.

SPEAKER_03 (33:21):
And the and and her mother.
Yes, and AJ's mother.

SPEAKER_05 (33:25):
This definitely could fucking so it's racist
cunt?

SPEAKER_02 (33:30):
Yes.
Yeah, you can say racist cuntfor racist podcast.
Well, we're allowed to say theword, um, we're allowed to.
The C word's allowed.
Yes.
I mean, they can't cancel.

SPEAKER_05 (33:41):
Oh, she's just bored in and fucking.
We'll just keep putting it out.
She just has nothing.
She thinks that her old ass wasserved with this an injustice uh
in her way.
She shot a woman through thedoor.
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (33:56):
Through the door.

SPEAKER_05 (33:57):
Through the fucking door.

SPEAKER_03 (33:59):
I uh she is crazy.
Wrong neighborhood.
She should not even be in thatneighborhood.

SPEAKER_05 (34:07):
Yeah, so guess what?
You know what?
She's gonna say, oh, I d oh, Ididn't know that she was it was
her and what she was doingthrough the door.
Guess what?
She had a whole fucking slidingdoor.

SPEAKER_02 (34:19):
That's where she aimed from.
She judged that from that.
She's like, let me look overhere.
Oh, she's right.

SPEAKER_04 (34:24):
Guess what?
If she didn't have a fuckingcamera, she should have had a
fucking camera.
And guess what?
She should have had a fuckingcamera recording.
All of her fucking bullshit.

SPEAKER_01 (34:36):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 (34:37):
Um and whatever she thought was bullshit.
You know, we sobbed.
We sobbed.
Oh my god.
All of them.
When the dad had to go tellthem.

SPEAKER_03 (34:48):
Oh I died.

SPEAKER_02 (34:49):
I was like.
What was that message up there?
See something.

SPEAKER_03 (34:53):
Oh, it went away.
Yeah.
It doesn't matter anymore.

SPEAKER_02 (34:57):
Oh, we got plenty of battery here.
We were going on for days.

SPEAKER_03 (35:00):
We are getting low on the battery.

SPEAKER_02 (35:01):
I love it though.
I mean, we're we're over herejust rambling about everything.
We got to get it togetherbecause y'all are here.
We have to put it all out there.
One of it.
You just got it.

SPEAKER_05 (35:11):
We're always the biggest bitch.

SPEAKER_02 (35:13):
You're coming back.
You're coming back.
You're coming back.
We're gonna do more.
Because I love it that you'refired up about so many things
that we've talked about.

SPEAKER_03 (35:23):
We have thoughts.
We have so many thoughts.

SPEAKER_02 (35:26):
So as far as like satanic panic and using all of
that stuff.
Fuck Lorraine Lauren.

unknown (35:32):
Shut down.

SPEAKER_05 (35:33):
The government shut down.

SPEAKER_03 (35:35):
Fuck Kendra Lakari.
And fuck Susan.
I don't I done forgot her lastname.
The the the perfect neighborbitch.
Yeah.
Fuck all them hoes.
And uh we'll be seeing you nextweek for another recap.
Because we do have to wrap thisup.
Our battery is about to die.

SPEAKER_02 (35:55):
We have so many conversations we're gonna have
after this.
Oh my goodness, we're gonna seeyou guys out on the webs and
check us out on everything.
Everything.
Thank you guys so much.
We'll see you guys then.
Uh one, uh two, uh three.
Um bye.
Bye.
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