October 29, 2025 • 37 mins
A haunted waterbed, a family in over their heads, and a courtroom where the devil wasn’t allowed to testify. We pull apart the real story behind The Conjuring 3’s “Devil Made Me Do It” and ask the hard questions the legend prefers to skip. Did a possession jump from a teenage boy to his sister’s boyfriend, or did stress, alcohol, and tangled relationships set the stage for a fatal mistake? We trace the timeline from the Bridgeport–Newtown move and the first “be well” shove to improvised deliverances, the Warrens’ infestation–oppression–possession framing, and the day Alan Bono was stabbed after a long, wine-soaked afternoon.
Our conversation looks closely at conflicting accounts: why some memories are crystal clear when possession is said to erase recall, how suggested phenomena seemed to appear after being described, and what happens when a judge rejects a supernatural defense. We dig into the trial pivot to self-defense, Arne Johnson’s manslaughter conviction and early release, and the broader ecosystem of books, documentaries, and films that turned this case into cultural folklore. Along the way, we examine incentives, the control of evidence, and the thin line between belief and storytelling that shapes so much of American paranormal lore.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Hey Jessie.
SPEAKER_01 (00:02):
Hey, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_00 (00:05):
What are you drinking today?
SPEAKER_01 (00:07):
It's truly unruly.
It's um very blast.
Yes.
From the past.
SPEAKER_00 (00:13):
And that's also what I'm drinking today.
We went to the good ol' uhliquor store.
SPEAKER_01 (00:19):
Lacqueral.
SPEAKER_00 (00:21):
And um I have this debase that I'm also gonna be
drinking, but I wanted to I hadthese during the summer and I
was like, you know what?
I kind of liked them.
But they're very strong.
I do suggest mixing them withlike a sprite, or in my case, a
sprite serum.
But, anyways.
SPEAKER_01 (00:37):
Hello.
Hello, hello everybody.
SPEAKER_00 (00:39):
Hello.
SPEAKER_01 (00:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (00:40):
Oh, and happy almost Halloween.
Like it's two days away from theday this will come out.
SPEAKER_01 (00:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (00:47):
We're excited.
We're ready to uh barelybothering me.
I'm gonna play.
I'll look in your face.
unknown (00:55):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (00:57):
There we go.
SPEAKER_01 (00:58):
We like that better.
SPEAKER_00 (00:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00):
You like let butter?
SPEAKER_00 (01:01):
Well, it's the bar.
SPEAKER_01 (01:02):
Like Men in Black, where he pulls his skin all the
way back.
Yeah, it's all like, air, yourskin's falling off your bones.
SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
I love that lady because she's just so like, your
skin's falling off your bones.
SPEAKER_01 (01:16):
Yeah.
Sugar water.
Sugar water.
SPEAKER_00 (01:21):
But anywho, so we're today we're recapping um
basically it's the uh the devilmade me do it case that the
Conjuring Three is based off of.
SPEAKER_01 (01:34):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (01:35):
And uh the audiobook that I read about the case was
The Devil in Connecticut, whichis a very worn biased book.
I mean, that that authorliterally worked with them for a
couple of different kind of putme on the fence again.
SPEAKER_01 (01:55):
I know.
Like, okay, I was Team Lindsayover here on the last when we
did the podcast.
I was kind of team Lindsay, TeamLindsay, and then it was just
like, I watched this, I'm kindof on the fence again.
I'm like, uh.
SPEAKER_00 (02:06):
Well, we watched The Devil on T.
You're on the fence?
SPEAKER_01 (02:09):
I still am on the fence, think.
SPEAKER_00 (02:11):
How?
I think how did that documentarynot make you more on my team?
SPEAKER_01 (02:17):
At the end of it, I was like, well, they only got
like a couple of grand out offucking trying to make this a
big thing.
And so they shouldn't have, theyshould have been saying, hey,
this is bullshit all to beginwith, right?
SPEAKER_00 (02:31):
Well, what I said was, okay, so I told you that
Carl Jr.
came out, I think it was 2007,spoke out against it, and his
brother David, the one who waspossessed, spoke with him.
But then he flipped the scriptback to yes, I was possessed
when Netflix made thatdocumentary.
SPEAKER_01 (02:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:52):
And I was money involved.
SPEAKER_01 (02:54):
Right.
It was like, huh, I gotta makethis a thing again.
SPEAKER_00 (02:57):
Yes.
So I mean, I believe inparanormal activity.
I just, I don't think that thiswas what it was made out to be.
And I definitely don't feel likethe devil made Arnie kill Alan
Bono.
Sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (03:14):
I just don't think that either.
SPEAKER_00 (03:16):
But we're gonna start, you know, towards the
beginning.
So the Johnson family, which isArnie's family, uh, it's his
mom, sisters, and niece.
Uh, they all live together inBridgeport.
And uh Debbie Glatzel has beenboarding with them for a few
years.
(03:36):
And uh they decide, and she hasa little boy from a previous
marriage when she was ateenager.
She's 26 at this time.
So they find a house in Newtown.
Newton or Newtown.
They say Newtown on thedocumentary, but in the book
that I listened to, it wascalled Newton.
So I don't know.
Tell us if you're fromConnecticut, is it Newton or
(03:58):
Newtown?
SPEAKER_01 (03:59):
I think it's kind of like some of the places in
Florida where they say likeOkala.
SPEAKER_00 (04:03):
I ain't never heard it called that.
I've heard it called Oak OkaOkalo.
I've heard it called Okalo.
Um, and then Alachua has beencalled or Alachua.
SPEAKER_01 (04:14):
Yeah.
That's kind of like the thing,you know?
I like Newton.
Isaac.
Newton.
Newton.
SPEAKER_00 (04:21):
Well, it is spelled Newtown.
SPEAKER_01 (04:23):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's spelled Newtown.
SPEAKER_00 (04:26):
But anyway, so um Debbie and Arnie are in a
relationship, which was veryweird because Debbie met Arnie
when he was 12 years old.
Yeah.
And Debbie was 19.
SPEAKER_01 (04:39):
So there's some hidden turmoil going on right
there to begin with.
Oh not right.
It's not right.
SPEAKER_00 (04:46):
And um, but now he's 19 or 18, almost 19, and she's
26.
So her, Arnie, and Jason decide,or her and Arnie decide to go
find a home, a new home for hiswhole family along with Jason.
They find a house that has isgoing to be accommodating to the
(05:07):
whole family, and they're goingto have their own like little
private quarters in thisapartment.
They get there, they had signedthe lease, like sight unseen.
So they get there, everything'skind of weird.
Like the niece of the landlordis still living there in the
apartment where Arnie, Debbie,and Jason, her little boy, um,
(05:29):
is supposed to live at.
And then so there's some itemsfrom a previous tenant still in
the house, one being a waterbed.
And um in the waterbedroom iswhere everything goes down.
SPEAKER_01 (05:44):
Yeah, he says he gets like pushed in, he put
something pushes him in thewater bed.
So like they were cleaning upand straightening up and
everything.
SPEAKER_00 (05:52):
Debbie's mom and her and and her brothers, David,
Alan, and Carl Jr., right, allcome over to help clean this
house.
Debbie gives them all littlejobs.
Um, David's was to sweep andclean out the closets or
something like that.
And then when he goes into thewaterbed room, like Jesse said.
SPEAKER_01 (06:14):
And I was like, this is a healthy thing.
Like they're just going in,they're getting all their stuff
together, cleaning up,straightening up, and all that.
And something shoves him on thewaterbed and says, be well.
Right?
Yeah.
Is that what it was?
I'd have been the fuck out ofthere forever, ever more.
Right there.
SPEAKER_00 (06:32):
Well, yeah, that's a lot of these cases.
I don't understand why peoplehung around.
I know it's expensive to move,whether your house is haunted as
fuck or not.
Um, but like, I know it was adifferent time period that a lot
of these cases happen, and Idon't know.
I just don't know why more of itwasn't reported to authorities.
(06:54):
So it could have been likelocked in as yeah, more um
documented better, yeah.
Less less bullshit.
SPEAKER_01 (07:02):
Because a lot of the uh a lot of the like you were
telling me, you you said that alot of the documentation, we
can't even have access to it,right?
SPEAKER_00 (07:09):
Yeah, and I'll uh but I'm gonna talk about more
about that in the next couple ofepisodes because I'm gonna talk
more about cases that Ed andLorraine Warren were a part of
and who they were and how theygot started in this whole
demonology slash clairvoyantslash Jesus saves uh teamwork.
SPEAKER_01 (07:30):
That's where I was kind of on the fence about it.
I'm still kind of because I wantmore proof.
I want more stuff.
So if anybody have if you haveaccess to that shit, send it to
us.
SPEAKER_00 (07:40):
Well, you want more.
They have audio.
SPEAKER_01 (07:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:43):
Okay.
But there was supposed a videothat nobody's seen.
SPEAKER_01 (07:47):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (07:47):
Carl Jr.
lived in the house with thisfamily and says that it is all
bullshit.
Um, and also, we were talkingabout this last night when we
were watching the documentary.
David Gladsell, now it's a grownman, um, remembers details of
(08:09):
his possession, but other peopleall the rest of them don't when
they're possessed.
SPEAKER_01 (08:14):
If they're like a blackout, possessed, you're
right, they don't remember shitout of fuck.
Then it's like you can't recallthat nothing ties together.
When something takes you overcompletely, you're supposed to
not remember that.
So I don't remember seeinganything that that I've that
I've seen and recall, and nobodyhas ever remembered all the
(08:38):
stuff that was going on like hedid.
Like it was like making it up,but he he stuck to his story.
That's it did seem so coerced,like like something led him on
to doing all that so you know.
SPEAKER_00 (08:52):
After the after they left the rental house, they
decided they decided that nightthat they were gonna go back to
the Glasswell house and um staythe night there after um you
know shit just wasn't goingright.
And this was before they foundout that David had been had had
an encounter.
So they get back to the Glasgowhouse, they're all having dinner
and whatever, and um, later onin the evening, David tells
(09:16):
Alan.
And he's like, Well, we gottatell the family.
So they told the family, andthen weird shit starts happening
to the family, and um theydecide that they're not gonna
move.
David and Arnie decide thatthey're not gonna move into the
rental house.
But David's mom has put all themoney she has into signing into
(09:39):
this into this home.
So she's like, Well, you guysare weirdos, we're moving in
here.
So it was her, her two daughtersand niece.
And Arnie was like begging andpleading.
Arnie and Debbie were like,please don't do this.
And then even the tenant waslike, Oh, she he saw, you know,
an old man ghost, because thatwas what he said at first.
That was in the book that he sawan old man ghost.
(10:02):
But then on this documentary, hesaid it was a Halloween devil
costume entity that he saw.
Remember?
Yeah.
In the book that I listened to,which was supposed to be a
firsthand account, he saw an oldman first who later on became to
look like Satan, which theycalled the beast.
And it's it's very confusing.
(10:24):
So anyway, while they're at theGladso house, David also says
that he can see what's going onat this rental house.
And this is before before theygo back and say we're not
moving.
The dog is getting tormented.
They leave their poor little dogbehind all night long.
And um, the dog gets tormentedwhen they show up at the house
to get their shit becausethey're not gonna stay anymore.
(10:46):
The dog is like matted andsweaty and bloody, and yeah,
he's he's distressed allegory.
So um Mary says, I'm gonna livein this house, you guys do what
you want to do.
So they all move back to theGlatso house where shit
(11:08):
continues to go down with David.
So they decide, and in theirhome, like everybody's starting
to experience weird shit.
And then Carl Jr.
is getting an attitude becausehe's like, Y'all are crazy.
Then they think that he's beingum possessed.
Not well, not quite possessedyet.
They think that he's beingaffected by this entity as well
(11:30):
because now he's got an attitudemaking fun of his brother, which
he never did before.
But at the same time, here'sthis new thing that you've never
experienced before happening inyour family.
SPEAKER_01 (11:40):
And he's just like, y'all are y'all are fucking shot
out.
What the hell?
SPEAKER_00 (11:43):
Wild.
This is wild.
SPEAKER_01 (11:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (11:45):
So at first, Judy um calls some priests to come bless
the house.
They're like, here, here's someuh holy candles, burn these, get
back with us.
SPEAKER_01 (11:56):
And in the dock, they were trying to portray that
like they were a religiousfamily.
SPEAKER_00 (12:01):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (12:02):
But they weren't, they weren't, and then all of a
sudden it's like, oh, let'sdecorate the house, let's break
out all the cool stuff and makeit like we're all this holy
Catholic, you know, Christianthing.
But they really weren't.
They, you know, they're they'redragging priests into this stuff
and trying to make it to wherethey can add more of a narrative
to me, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (12:21):
Carl J.
So the priests can't doanything, so they of course end
up getting with the wards whocome in and tell them that
they're in the infestation umstage of uh uh a haunting.
And um, and so it's infestation,oppression, and possession.
(12:42):
So they're in the infestation,they try to get to the source of
where this all started.
Um but oh, and the word that Icouldn't think of, by the way,
was a deliverance.
When they try before instead ofdoing a whole exorcism on David,
they were just supposed to do adeliverance, like delivering him
from the evil, which is prettymuch the same as what I said.
(13:05):
I said rebuking, right?
That's all that.
And here's my here's anotherargument that I have.
So the whole the Christian theChristian denomination, the
Christian religion will tell youthat the devil has no power.
But in all these cases, seemslike they have all the power.
SPEAKER_01 (13:25):
Yeah, revolution.
SPEAKER_00 (13:27):
That guy is so great.
What's his name?
SPEAKER_01 (13:30):
Oh, I don't know, but I've been watching him a
lot.
Revolution.
SPEAKER_00 (13:32):
Yeah, so this guy on TikTok who lists uh he's got
this great little handlebar maskmustache.
He's great, and he lists allthese things that are worthy of
revolution.
SPEAKER_01 (13:43):
I agree with every one of them.
Why?
SPEAKER_00 (13:45):
Love it.
SPEAKER_01 (13:46):
I think that I need to add some because I think I
have some things I need to saytoo.
You gotta take the power back.
Yeah, I I do think that umeventually that is probably
gonna happen, but it needs tohappen locally.
Not that we're into politics oranything like that, but I do I
do like that revolution guy.
I really like that stuff, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (14:06):
Right, but I mean you don't have to be into
politics just to see what isbullshit is going on around you
that ain't right at all.
SPEAKER_01 (14:14):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (14:16):
Okay, so um they do a couple of these um
deliverances, uh, which isbasically an exorcism that's not
being permitted by the RomanCatholic Church or the diocese.
And um at one point in one ofthem, I don't know if I said
this in the episode or not, butlike David allegedly almost
(14:39):
dies, like he was in fear forhis life because I I don't know
what they do in during anexorcism, but I know just from
hearing probably a hundreddifferent cases about shit like
that, it's it's traumatic too.
It's because it's always onkids.
It's very traumatic.
And um when they were fearingthat David was possibly could
(15:04):
lose his life over this, Arniechallenges uh Satan, the the
entity, and says, take me.
SPEAKER_01 (15:12):
Which is completely all set up just like Exorcism,
the Exorcist movie.
And I'm like, this is so set up.
It just seems it does seem veryit seems like somebody's telling
them what to do and we'll do itand we'll document what they're
doing after we've done, youknow, taught them how to act
this way.
You know, I just I just Carl Jr.
SPEAKER_00 (15:34):
says that when the Warrens initially came to their
home, he said, Okay, this iswhat you're going to start
experiencing with David.
And sure enough, it happens.
But David overhears all of it.
Like they Ed and Lorraine aretelling them right there in
their living room in front ofthe whole family what's gonna
happen.
(15:55):
And it's I mean, in 2007, Davidsaid that he fed into it.
SPEAKER_01 (16:00):
It's a charismatic proclamation where they're
actually manifest manifestingsomething to actually happen,
right?
SPEAKER_00 (16:06):
That's what I feel like is what and they're I'm
basically coaxing this kid intodoing what he did.
Revolution.
Revolution, but so now the beasthas left Arnie, I mean has left
David, now it's into Arnie, butit happens slow at first, like
(16:27):
so according to the book, I dobelieve, or I may have read
this.
Arnie gets possessed on a fewdifferent encounters before a
tragedy happens.
So everything's calmed down atthe Glatso house.
Debbie's like, I think it's agood time for us to go out.
(16:48):
Me, Arnie, and Jason go find ourown place again.
She finds a man named Alan Bonowho has a kennel that he has
inherited.
He doesn't really want to takecare of it, and that is her
profession.
She is a professional doggroomer and knows how to run a
kennel.
SPEAKER_01 (17:07):
Yeah, the thing about that is I don't think I
could ever drain the anal glandof any animals, you know?
I don't think I could do it.
SPEAKER_00 (17:15):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (17:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:17):
They have to do that?
SPEAKER_01 (17:18):
Yeah.
That's like a big thing.
You take your dog.
Well, if you especially if youhave like we're not animal
people, so I don't we likeanimals.
SPEAKER_00 (17:26):
We just don't want one.
SPEAKER_01 (17:27):
Well, years ago when I had like a little terrier dog,
that was one of the things thatthey do for you.
It's like that's part of theservice.
It's like squeezing the buttholeof like animals.
SPEAKER_00 (17:35):
What does that do?
SPEAKER_01 (17:36):
I don't know, but there's a thing.
Maybe we can look it up.
But there's a thing where theydo that.
They have like an anal drainingthing where they squeeze and
yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:44):
Listeners comment on this and help me understand.
I don't know.
I had never heard of that.
SPEAKER_01 (17:49):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
That's the only thing.
Like trimming and cool,whatever, even if it's a crazy
ass dog that's kind of rough toyou know, get them onto.
But I love that.
You know, that's really cool.
Like, you know, because you canmake like poodles look really
cool or whatever kind of animalslook really cool, or little
little dogs, you know, you canmake them look like little
tigers and fucking lions andshit and oh my.
(18:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:10):
Tigers and bears.
SPEAKER_01 (18:11):
Yeah.
But but the butthole thing, Idon't think I could be a
butthole surfer on that one.
Yeah, because I got gottasqueeze it or something.
Yeah, you gotta look that up.
Yes.
Thanks.
SPEAKER_00 (18:19):
Well, I do know that that's how they get what is it,
raspberry and vanilla artificialflavor?
SPEAKER_01 (18:26):
Oh, the the beaver ass, North American beaver ass.
We've all ate it.
SPEAKER_00 (18:31):
All of us.
SPEAKER_01 (18:31):
We have all eight the North American analysis.
SPEAKER_00 (18:34):
It's from milking the anal glands of a North
American beaver.
SPEAKER_01 (18:39):
That is how you get Well, they harvest them and they
dry them out and they use thatextract from the dried out anal
gland.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:48):
Who discovered that?
SPEAKER_01 (18:49):
Yeah, I guess uh, you know, maybe some trappers or
some shit walking around.
It's like, let's eat thisbutthole and say, Oh, this is
good.
Shit.
Let's make ice cream from this.
SPEAKER_00 (18:58):
See, that's the kind of shit that hurts my brain.
Who was the first one todiscover that?
SPEAKER_01 (19:03):
Yeah, who licked the butthole of the beaver?
SPEAKER_00 (19:12):
I mean, that's what it tastes like, but that's what
they use to make those flavors.
Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_01 (19:15):
Yeah.
Yeah.
For some reason that thatcreates a taste that tastes like
that.
SPEAKER_00 (19:20):
Vanilla, it's vanilla and raspberry, right?
That's the just the two.
And artificial flavoring, notnatural.
SPEAKER_01 (19:25):
No, that's a natural flavor.
It's not artificial at all.
SPEAKER_00 (19:28):
It says that when I looked it up before, it says
it's how they make theartificial flavor.
SPEAKER_01 (19:32):
Yeah, but I mean, but it's it's a natural, like, I
don't know how you twist that,but it's it's naturally the
gland from the beavers.
SPEAKER_00 (19:40):
But the flavor is artificial.
SPEAKER_01 (19:42):
Yeah, it's not the actual berry or the yes, right,
right.
SPEAKER_00 (19:46):
It's not vanilla and it's not.
SPEAKER_01 (19:48):
Yeah.
So that but there's there'sthere's in the line of the
butthole, is it, but it's anatural thing, but it just makes
the artificial flavor, sothere's a line there, right?
SPEAKER_00 (19:58):
So, anyhow.
SPEAKER_01 (19:59):
We've all ate it.
You have too over there,listeners.
SPEAKER_00 (20:02):
So, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (20:03):
Yeah, look it up.
I forgot the name of it.
They got a big old long ass nameof what they call that.
SPEAKER_00 (20:08):
So stay away from uh artificial flavors if you uh are
terrified of the fact that itcomes from a beaver's butthole.
SPEAKER_01 (20:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:17):
Anyhow.
SPEAKER_01 (20:17):
Read what's in your in your food.
SPEAKER_00 (20:20):
So Arnie, Debbie, and little Jason move into
there's an apartment above thekennel, above the kennels that
they're gonna live in.
It's like it's like a dreamcombo there, okay?
You got your home and yourworkplace all together.
Now, Alan Bono, he was a coololder guy.
And you know, when I waslistening to the book, I was
like expecting him to be thislike old haggard guy that kind
(20:44):
of looked like David Parker Ray.
I don't know why.
But then when I looked up hispicture, I'm like, he was a
pretty kid Joe.
SPEAKER_01 (20:50):
Yeah, he was a good one.
SPEAKER_00 (20:51):
Yeah, he was he was a pretty boy, like legit.
So um Alan's a drunk though, andum they got along with him
pretty well, you know, butsometimes he could be too much.
It was said that he would justkind of drink till he passed
out.
Well, one day, um, I forgot theexact date and I don't have my
(21:14):
notes.
I think it was February, right?
February 1981.
Um they are so Arnie wakes up,he doesn't feel good, and uh, so
he calls out from work.
Debbie and Debbie's uh sistersand niece are going to stay.
They were like out, school wasout that day, so they were gonna
(21:34):
stay the night.
And uh so they're working in thekennels.
Alan's like, let's all go out tolunch.
So Arnie by this time, I guess,was feeling a little bit better.
He was uh better enough to goeat lunch, and they all had like
burgers and fries at arestaurant that also served wine
because 13 glasses of wine wereordered to this table.
(21:54):
Now, allegedly, Debbie didn'tdrink any.
Arnie had one glass after beingpressured by Alan, and Alan
drank the rest.
And then on the way back, theystopped at a liquor store so
Alan could get more wine, and hecontinued drinking.
SPEAKER_01 (22:10):
Just like the police said at the very end of it, you
know, alcohol, some turmoil, uh,a trifecta type relationship
going on.
SPEAKER_00 (22:19):
Well, it's all they're there was rumors that um
Alan and Debbie had had anaffair.
Don't know when, because youknow, all this kind of just
happened very quickly.
So the story goes that Debbiefelt like something bad was
(22:40):
gonna happen.
She got in a feeling ofimpending doom, called her
mother, and her mother was like,Oh my god, I got the same
feeling.
She was like, Y'all, just comeon over here.
Well, Debbie's like, I gottafinish up with work.
But then Judy, Judy Glatzel, themother of the family, I don't
know if I've mentioned her namein this episode, but um, she
starts calling back every halfhour, and then finally is just
(23:02):
like, get here now.
Like, I really feel likesomething bad's gonna happen.
Well, Alan had still beendrinking and was insisting on
them staying for dinner as well.
Debbie was like, No, we're gonnago to my mom's house.
And he's like, please, please,please.
And she didn't really want to,but she was like, Okay, I'm
gonna go get pizza.
(23:23):
So they go get pizza, and Idon't know if I put this in the
story, but as the book is told,she wanted to make because he
was in Alan was in theirapartment.
She wanted to get him to hisapartment because she knew once
he was had drank enough, he wasgonna pass out and didn't want
him passing out in theirapartment.
So she's like, All right, we'regonna go eat this pizza in your
(23:45):
place.
So they get to their his place,and he's got the music blaring.
He's fucking with the TVs,pissed off and yelling and
cussing at the TV.
Very, you know, very chaoticsituation.
SPEAKER_01 (23:57):
Yeah, he's throwing shit and all the things.
SPEAKER_00 (23:58):
Throwing shit, right.
And then um, and Debbie andArnie are like, all right, we
gotta go.
So they get the, they put theygather up the girls, they're
trying to go, and Alan in uh,you know, kind of a drunken
rage, grabs one of the girls.
Well, somehow, during all this,this Debbie says that Arnie gets
possessed and starts hitting andbeating her.
(24:21):
This is my opinion, and I'mgonna say this.
I feel like the affair wasexposed at that point.
Because why else would he justbe?
I mean, I'm sorry.
I understand that if this was areal possession, that could
possibly happen.
But it's just really convenienthow out of nowhere he starts
beating Debbie, even though Alanis holding on to one of the
(24:44):
girls, and Alan should be thethe sole purpose, the sole focus
of any kind of altercation.
But Arnie is beating on Debbie,and then he supposedly comes to
and apologizes.
I guess the devil left him for aminute, but then he comes back
in and he stabs Alan Bono.
SPEAKER_01 (25:07):
Yeah, and some of the kids are in the car and they
didn't see what really was.
SPEAKER_00 (25:10):
Yeah, two of the kids had run down to the car.
SPEAKER_01 (25:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (25:13):
And the other one had gotten out, had gotten up
from the grip before Arnie andAlan start going at it.
Doesn't that make sense though?
So at some point, I really feellike this affairs.
SPEAKER_01 (25:26):
Shit of rage, man.
All the shit fucking hit thefan.
SPEAKER_00 (25:29):
Shit hit the fan.
SPEAKER_01 (25:30):
Get at the fan and I'm drunk and I'm fucking I'm
exposing revolution.
SPEAKER_00 (25:34):
I do not feel like the devil had any part of this
story.
SPEAKER_01 (25:38):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (25:38):
Um, so it is alleged that after, well, it's not
alleged.
This actually happened.
So after the stabbing, Arnietakes off.
But it is alleged that when hewas found, he did not remember
anything.
And he was like, huh?
I did what?
SPEAKER_01 (25:56):
Right.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (25:58):
So he gets arrested.
And um, now the Warrens, theyhave already like pre-meditated
this happening after theexorcism of David.
They went to the police andsaid, I feel like something bad
is gonna happen and a killingmay involve.
(26:19):
And I think she actually saidstabbing.
SPEAKER_01 (26:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (26:22):
And um, so they I don't know if they took it
seriously or not, because theWarrens weren't with the police,
they weren't with the church,they weren't with, I mean, they
had already been at this forabout 30 years.
SPEAKER_01 (26:34):
This is like a premeditation, premeditated
cohort, coher cohorsed,coherced, co-coerced, coerced,
yeah, all the worst and yeah.
I think just planting all thatthe the seed in there, and then
you put all the rest of it inthe salad, you know, everything
just exploded uh on top of youknow the alcohol and the the
(26:58):
relationship and the the turmoiland everything hit the fan all
at one time.
He probably used all of that toactually manifest something that
turned into something, you know,like the knife and shit.
Yeah.
I feel like they kind of plantedthe seed there, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (27:12):
I mean, maybe Lorraine had some, because you
know, they had been involvedwith this family a lot over the
past few months.
Maybe she knew that um Debbiewas was running around on Arnie.
Maybe she knew.
SPEAKER_01 (27:28):
Yeah, well, then they all might have confided
into him different in differentsituations, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (27:32):
Maybe they they pulled him in, you know, and
there's still a lot of the storythat we just don't know,
probably never will.
SPEAKER_01 (27:38):
Right.
Had had independent confessionsor something with them, with
each of them, and they all kindof fucking knew what was in
their minds and then startedfeeding off of that to create a
huge narrative, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (27:48):
But Lorraine and Ed said, no, Arnie didn't do this.
The devil did because he testedthe devil and the devil entered
him and possessed him, and thiswould literally be the trial of
the devil made me do it.
SPEAKER_01 (28:02):
And they were trying to use that because they were
getting away with that shit inEurope, right?
SPEAKER_00 (28:06):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (28:07):
Yeah, I seen on the doc that we were watching.
Okay, yeah, that was like adefense that actually did work
in Europe, like in a couple oftrials.
Yeah, I seen that shit.
SPEAKER_00 (28:16):
And Europeans, what the fuck?
SPEAKER_01 (28:18):
Yeah, the devil made me do it.
And didn't work over here.
At least that judge kind offucking was like, nah.
SPEAKER_00 (28:23):
This yeah, the judge in in in Bridgeport,
Connecticut, or whatever uhwhatever county that was, yeah,
was like, no.
No, he was like, so this is whatthey they decided to turn around
and make it a self-defense casebecause Alan had had a hold of
one of the girls who was a minorchild, which was a crime in
within itself.
So, but that didn't work either.
SPEAKER_01 (28:45):
Well, it kind of did because brought it down to
manslaughter, brought it down tomanslaughter.
SPEAKER_00 (28:49):
Arnie is sentenced to 25 years, but he gets five.
He was a good boy, he was a goodboy, and he received some
degrees in prison, and hemarried Debbie in prison, and he
was out in five years.
Now he was on parole, so he hadprobably another five of
probation.
I don't I don't really know howlong.
(29:09):
Beautiful wedding.
SPEAKER_01 (29:11):
If I ever go to prison, let's get a divorce and
get remarried back in prison.
SPEAKER_00 (29:18):
No way we can have a beautiful wedding.
Well, I think in prison that'sthe only way that you can go see
the only conjugal vigil.
A person that's not related toyou.
Or I mean, okay, so I think youcan only have people that are
related to you.
So if you're not married, Idon't I don't know the rules.
SPEAKER_01 (29:36):
Yeah.
But it probably depends on theprison, you know?
SPEAKER_00 (29:39):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, because well, yeah, thatwouldn't make sense because
there, I mean, there's murderersthat have uh uh journalists and
all that shit come in and talkto them.
So I don't know, I don't know.
Um, but I do know that um thathappens a lot.
Uh a girl that I used to workwith, I just seen that she just
married this guy like out of Theblue.
(30:00):
This was just no be being nosyon Facebook.
Well, it was in my news feed.
And then he was in prison.
SPEAKER_01 (30:06):
We did a string of podcasts where women were like
chasing after the murderers andserial killers and shit.
SPEAKER_00 (30:12):
Oh, I know.
That's wild.
Now, at the same time,Revolution.
I'm very glad that Lori.
SPEAKER_01 (30:21):
There you go.
That was a good one.
SPEAKER_00 (30:22):
That's a different one.
SPEAKER_01 (30:23):
That's a different story.
That's a different thing.
SPEAKER_00 (30:26):
Got involved with Damien to help save him from
death row.
Yeah.
To get she was very she waslike, oh my God, he didn't do
this.
Let me help him.
And then they fell in love andshe has worked and she they
married and she has worked herass off for what is it, 30 years
now?
25, I think, is how long she'sbeen involved.
SPEAKER_01 (30:46):
That was our last um last October's where we did the
whole satanic panic stuff again.
Cause we think, and we keepbringing that back up because we
support them boys.
We really do.
SPEAKER_00 (30:56):
And we're waiting.
We're just waiting for thejustice.
SPEAKER_01 (30:58):
That's what we're waiting on.
We're gonna keep bringing thoseguys up from you know the
Memphis three.
SPEAKER_00 (31:06):
We have a three-parter on that.
SPEAKER_01 (31:07):
Westman's we've been talking about them forever, man.
SPEAKER_00 (31:10):
Oh, yeah.
I'm I'm gonna plug them foreverbecause it's it's I'm very just
I don't know, that case isreally special to me.
But um, there's I mean, yes,those guys got out on an alpha
plea, but they are stillconvicted murderers and they
didn't do it.
And the guy that did, or thepeople that did, commit the
murders have never been broughtto justice.
(31:31):
They're still walking round.
They still walking round.
SPEAKER_01 (31:34):
Which I think is one person, but that's just our
opinion.
Just our opinion, revolution,our opinion, revolution.
But uh I'm glad this is kickingin because I was kind of
earlier, I was kind of blah,dude.
We went and ate earlier and fam.
Been relaxing.
SPEAKER_00 (31:48):
Well, breakfast slash lunch, brunch with the
fam.
SPEAKER_01 (31:50):
Got the cosmic vibe over here trying to get me
alive.
Revolution.
SPEAKER_00 (31:54):
And I am sitting, I've turned my air down, but I'm
sitting over here on the vergeof a uh uh heat, a heat a fuck,
a hot flash.
SPEAKER_01 (32:03):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Full parry mode over here.
SPEAKER_00 (32:05):
Yeah, I'm like, it's already starting to beat up.
But so we're gonna wrap up ourrecap.
So that is go back and listen tothe full episode to get all the
details.
And um, yeah, so when you'rewatching The Devil Made Me Do
It, um just think about it witha different frame of mind.
Actually, we haven't watchedthat one.
(32:26):
No, no, we just watched TheConjuring One and Two, and we've
watched a couple of the nuns,they suck.
So, but like a lot of Annabelle.
SPEAKER_01 (32:33):
A lot of that all ties in just the same with what
happened in Ocean Avenue.
It was like, okay, they'retrying to dive off into
something they can't afford.
SPEAKER_00 (32:41):
Way out of their price, right?
SPEAKER_01 (32:43):
Money stress, right?
Now you're adding the alcoholand you're adding the
relationship and the crazystatus of all that, and being
able to persuade children intodoing something that's crazy,
and then build a whole thing,and then boom, boom, Ed and
Lorraine show up, and theneverything is just completely
fucking scriptured, and a lot ofit ties in with the exorcism.
SPEAKER_00 (33:06):
So and I want to go ahead because we're gonna talk
about Ed and Lorraine for twomore episodes, so I want to go
ahead and mention so far umthings that they have made money
off of just by what we've talkedabout.
So they've made funny off moneyoff of Amityville book and
movie, they've made money off ofthe Gladsel family book and uh
and an entire universe ofmovies.
(33:29):
And um, there's gonna be morebooks and more movies that we're
gonna talk about in the nextepisode.
SPEAKER_01 (33:34):
So And herein comes Netflix, so they're gonna
cha-ching on that one too,right?
SPEAKER_00 (33:39):
Uh, I don't know if they made any money off of
those.
I mean, they were both gone bythat point.
SPEAKER_01 (33:43):
Well, Ed and Rain didn't, but you know, ever, you
know, the the parties involved.
SPEAKER_00 (33:47):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (33:47):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (33:47):
Parties involved.
So it's all gonna come together,and I'm going, I'm literally
gonna list out everything thatthey had their hand in, um, like
that they made money off of, andthey made money off of the
Gladstell and Johnson familyfamily.
And they had even at one pointtold the fam or told David that
he was gonna be a rich littleboy, but he was not.
(34:10):
I think it was what did I sayfor?
SPEAKER_01 (34:12):
They literally did say they were gonna be rich, and
they all went to California andget fucked shit out of the
state.
SPEAKER_00 (34:17):
Well, they uh they got and now the mother, she went
on to do interviews and stuff.
The dad, he was a whole vibe.
Carl Sr.
SPEAKER_01 (34:25):
With his hat that said documented.
Yeah, it was wearing like atrucker hat that said fuck off
or something.
SPEAKER_00 (34:30):
I was like, that's my guy.
SPEAKER_01 (34:32):
That's my guy.
SPEAKER_00 (34:33):
He reminded me of like a mixture of Wayland
Jennings and Charlie Daniels.
SPEAKER_01 (34:36):
That's what I said.
Wayland's on the on the screennow.
SPEAKER_00 (34:39):
Yes, but also with a Charlie Daniels vibe, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (34:42):
Yeah, it was really cool.
SPEAKER_00 (34:43):
Old school 70s, um, good old boy, you know.
Um, but yeah, he was a wholevibe.
I I I don't know why I gotgreat, I got great vibes from
the Carls.
Not from anybody else.
SPEAKER_01 (34:54):
Yeah, no, he was he was a cool cat, man.
I could tell.
What are you swatting him for?
But your nails, they're sharp,they're gonna put out somebody's
eyes.
SPEAKER_00 (35:01):
Yeah, it was fun in here.
I and we had that door open lastnight.
We fried some good chicken.
We did the Cheeto chickentenders.
SPEAKER_01 (35:09):
It was good, it was good.
We were that's where we werewatching the dock too, or the
Netflix stuff.
We were cooking the Netflixstuff, and we were like, we were
cooking, we were chilling, we'redoing our thing.
SPEAKER_00 (35:17):
We were frying food, and my house still smells like a
fried tender, even with all thewax warmers and candles.
SPEAKER_01 (35:22):
So, all in all in a circle here.
Follow us Friday, though.
We're gonna be dropping someshit.
SPEAKER_00 (35:29):
We're gonna start part one of our two-part series
on Ed and Lorraine Warren andtalk about some more cases
they're involved in.
But give a little backstory andand some more information about
them.
SPEAKER_01 (35:40):
More about the revolution.
SPEAKER_00 (35:41):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (35:42):
Yeah, revolution.
SPEAKER_00 (35:44):
And some uh the devil.
Some shit that just kind of blewmy mind when I found out about
all of their stuff a couple ofyears ago.
SPEAKER_01 (35:51):
So all of that's good evidence.
We want video, more audio.
I want to I I'm still half-assedon the fence, but I'm I don't
know, I don't know, Lindsay.
You're like, oh you're on thefence.
I don't know.
But I haven't seen enough yet.
I want to be a few.
SPEAKER_00 (36:05):
Out of all the cases that I have, I have, I know in
my head so far that you don'tknow.
Yeah.
But there's one.
There's one.
And I'm gonna talk about it uhin a couple of weeks.
SPEAKER_01 (36:14):
So you're light years ahead of me on this whole
narrative thing.
So I'm just now I have to saythat I'm still on the fence
right now.
SPEAKER_00 (36:23):
The one that I actually kind of believe they
really weren't a part of.
They tried to put themselves init, but they weren't really like
big, so it's that's why Ibelieve.
SPEAKER_01 (36:32):
Something cool enough to be half-ash legit, and
they were like, but wait, yeah,revolution.
SPEAKER_00 (36:36):
Yeah, but anyways, we're gonna wrap up this recap.
So stay tuned for our episode onFriday.
Happy Halloween.
We love you guys so much.
We are going to hydrate and getstarted recording.
SPEAKER_01 (36:48):
And it's gonna be like a group seven type session.
SPEAKER_00 (36:51):
So oh, yes, yeah, we're on group seven.
SPEAKER_01 (36:54):
Well, Friday, not here.
You're on group like six and ahalf, six point nine, maybe.
Yeah, group seven Friday.
Check us out.
We're gonna be there.
We're gonna be doing two partsof Ed and Lorraine.
So we're gonna start our firstpart coming up.
So we'll see you guys then.
So excited, though.
SPEAKER_00 (37:11):
We love you so much.
Like, subscribe, comment,follow, share, and revolution.
And revolution for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (37:18):
Absolutely.
Bye.
Hey Jessie.
SPEAKER_01 (00:02):
Hey, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_00 (00:05):
What are you drinking today?
SPEAKER_01 (00:07):
It's truly unruly.
It's um very blast.
Yes.
From the past.
SPEAKER_00 (00:13):
And that's also what I'm drinking today.
We went to the good ol' uhliquor store.
SPEAKER_01 (00:19):
Lacqueral.
SPEAKER_00 (00:21):
And um I have this debase that I'm also gonna be
drinking, but I wanted to I hadthese during the summer and I
was like, you know what?
I kind of liked them.
But they're very strong.
I do suggest mixing them withlike a sprite, or in my case, a
sprite serum.
But, anyways.
SPEAKER_01 (00:37):
Hello.
Hello, hello everybody.
SPEAKER_00 (00:39):
Hello.
SPEAKER_01 (00:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (00:40):
Oh, and happy almost Halloween.
Like it's two days away from theday this will come out.
SPEAKER_01 (00:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (00:47):
We're excited.
We're ready to uh barelybothering me.
I'm gonna play.
I'll look in your face.
unknown (00:55):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (00:57):
There we go.
SPEAKER_01 (00:58):
We like that better.
SPEAKER_00 (00:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00):
You like let butter?
SPEAKER_00 (01:01):
Well, it's the bar.
SPEAKER_01 (01:02):
Like Men in Black, where he pulls his skin all the
way back.
Yeah, it's all like, air, yourskin's falling off your bones.
SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
I love that lady because she's just so like, your
skin's falling off your bones.
SPEAKER_01 (01:16):
Yeah.
Sugar water.
Sugar water.
SPEAKER_00 (01:21):
But anywho, so we're today we're recapping um
basically it's the uh the devilmade me do it case that the
Conjuring Three is based off of.
SPEAKER_01 (01:34):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (01:35):
And uh the audiobook that I read about the case was
The Devil in Connecticut, whichis a very worn biased book.
I mean, that that authorliterally worked with them for a
couple of different kind of putme on the fence again.
SPEAKER_01 (01:55):
I know.
Like, okay, I was Team Lindsayover here on the last when we
did the podcast.
I was kind of team Lindsay, TeamLindsay, and then it was just
like, I watched this, I'm kindof on the fence again.
I'm like, uh.
SPEAKER_00 (02:06):
Well, we watched The Devil on T.
You're on the fence?
SPEAKER_01 (02:09):
I still am on the fence, think.
SPEAKER_00 (02:11):
How?
I think how did that documentarynot make you more on my team?
SPEAKER_01 (02:17):
At the end of it, I was like, well, they only got
like a couple of grand out offucking trying to make this a
big thing.
And so they shouldn't have, theyshould have been saying, hey,
this is bullshit all to beginwith, right?
SPEAKER_00 (02:31):
Well, what I said was, okay, so I told you that
Carl Jr.
came out, I think it was 2007,spoke out against it, and his
brother David, the one who waspossessed, spoke with him.
But then he flipped the scriptback to yes, I was possessed
when Netflix made thatdocumentary.
SPEAKER_01 (02:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:52):
And I was money involved.
SPEAKER_01 (02:54):
Right.
It was like, huh, I gotta makethis a thing again.
SPEAKER_00 (02:57):
Yes.
So I mean, I believe inparanormal activity.
I just, I don't think that thiswas what it was made out to be.
And I definitely don't feel likethe devil made Arnie kill Alan
Bono.
Sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (03:14):
I just don't think that either.
SPEAKER_00 (03:16):
But we're gonna start, you know, towards the
beginning.
So the Johnson family, which isArnie's family, uh, it's his
mom, sisters, and niece.
Uh, they all live together inBridgeport.
And uh Debbie Glatzel has beenboarding with them for a few
years.
(03:36):
And uh they decide, and she hasa little boy from a previous
marriage when she was ateenager.
She's 26 at this time.
So they find a house in Newtown.
Newton or Newtown.
They say Newtown on thedocumentary, but in the book
that I listened to, it wascalled Newton.
So I don't know.
Tell us if you're fromConnecticut, is it Newton or
(03:58):
Newtown?
SPEAKER_01 (03:59):
I think it's kind of like some of the places in
Florida where they say likeOkala.
SPEAKER_00 (04:03):
I ain't never heard it called that.
I've heard it called Oak OkaOkalo.
I've heard it called Okalo.
Um, and then Alachua has beencalled or Alachua.
SPEAKER_01 (04:14):
Yeah.
That's kind of like the thing,you know?
I like Newton.
Isaac.
Newton.
Newton.
SPEAKER_00 (04:21):
Well, it is spelled Newtown.
SPEAKER_01 (04:23):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's spelled Newtown.
SPEAKER_00 (04:26):
But anyway, so um Debbie and Arnie are in a
relationship, which was veryweird because Debbie met Arnie
when he was 12 years old.
Yeah.
And Debbie was 19.
SPEAKER_01 (04:39):
So there's some hidden turmoil going on right
there to begin with.
Oh not right.
It's not right.
SPEAKER_00 (04:46):
And um, but now he's 19 or 18, almost 19, and she's
26.
So her, Arnie, and Jason decide,or her and Arnie decide to go
find a home, a new home for hiswhole family along with Jason.
They find a house that has isgoing to be accommodating to the
(05:07):
whole family, and they're goingto have their own like little
private quarters in thisapartment.
They get there, they had signedthe lease, like sight unseen.
So they get there, everything'skind of weird.
Like the niece of the landlordis still living there in the
apartment where Arnie, Debbie,and Jason, her little boy, um,
(05:29):
is supposed to live at.
And then so there's some itemsfrom a previous tenant still in
the house, one being a waterbed.
And um in the waterbedroom iswhere everything goes down.
SPEAKER_01 (05:44):
Yeah, he says he gets like pushed in, he put
something pushes him in thewater bed.
So like they were cleaning upand straightening up and
everything.
SPEAKER_00 (05:52):
Debbie's mom and her and and her brothers, David,
Alan, and Carl Jr., right, allcome over to help clean this
house.
Debbie gives them all littlejobs.
Um, David's was to sweep andclean out the closets or
something like that.
And then when he goes into thewaterbed room, like Jesse said.
SPEAKER_01 (06:14):
And I was like, this is a healthy thing.
Like they're just going in,they're getting all their stuff
together, cleaning up,straightening up, and all that.
And something shoves him on thewaterbed and says, be well.
Right?
Yeah.
Is that what it was?
I'd have been the fuck out ofthere forever, ever more.
Right there.
SPEAKER_00 (06:32):
Well, yeah, that's a lot of these cases.
I don't understand why peoplehung around.
I know it's expensive to move,whether your house is haunted as
fuck or not.
Um, but like, I know it was adifferent time period that a lot
of these cases happen, and Idon't know.
I just don't know why more of itwasn't reported to authorities.
(06:54):
So it could have been likelocked in as yeah, more um
documented better, yeah.
Less less bullshit.
SPEAKER_01 (07:02):
Because a lot of the uh a lot of the like you were
telling me, you you said that alot of the documentation, we
can't even have access to it,right?
SPEAKER_00 (07:09):
Yeah, and I'll uh but I'm gonna talk about more
about that in the next couple ofepisodes because I'm gonna talk
more about cases that Ed andLorraine Warren were a part of
and who they were and how theygot started in this whole
demonology slash clairvoyantslash Jesus saves uh teamwork.
SPEAKER_01 (07:30):
That's where I was kind of on the fence about it.
I'm still kind of because I wantmore proof.
I want more stuff.
So if anybody have if you haveaccess to that shit, send it to
us.
SPEAKER_00 (07:40):
Well, you want more.
They have audio.
SPEAKER_01 (07:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:43):
Okay.
But there was supposed a videothat nobody's seen.
SPEAKER_01 (07:47):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (07:47):
Carl Jr.
lived in the house with thisfamily and says that it is all
bullshit.
Um, and also, we were talkingabout this last night when we
were watching the documentary.
David Gladsell, now it's a grownman, um, remembers details of
(08:09):
his possession, but other peopleall the rest of them don't when
they're possessed.
SPEAKER_01 (08:14):
If they're like a blackout, possessed, you're
right, they don't remember shitout of fuck.
Then it's like you can't recallthat nothing ties together.
When something takes you overcompletely, you're supposed to
not remember that.
So I don't remember seeinganything that that I've that
I've seen and recall, and nobodyhas ever remembered all the
(08:38):
stuff that was going on like hedid.
Like it was like making it up,but he he stuck to his story.
That's it did seem so coerced,like like something led him on
to doing all that so you know.
SPEAKER_00 (08:52):
After the after they left the rental house, they
decided they decided that nightthat they were gonna go back to
the Glasswell house and um staythe night there after um you
know shit just wasn't goingright.
And this was before they foundout that David had been had had
an encounter.
So they get back to the Glasgowhouse, they're all having dinner
and whatever, and um, later onin the evening, David tells
(09:16):
Alan.
And he's like, Well, we gottatell the family.
So they told the family, andthen weird shit starts happening
to the family, and um theydecide that they're not gonna
move.
David and Arnie decide thatthey're not gonna move into the
rental house.
But David's mom has put all themoney she has into signing into
(09:39):
this into this home.
So she's like, Well, you guysare weirdos, we're moving in
here.
So it was her, her two daughtersand niece.
And Arnie was like begging andpleading.
Arnie and Debbie were like,please don't do this.
And then even the tenant waslike, Oh, she he saw, you know,
an old man ghost, because thatwas what he said at first.
That was in the book that he sawan old man ghost.
(10:02):
But then on this documentary, hesaid it was a Halloween devil
costume entity that he saw.
Remember?
Yeah.
In the book that I listened to,which was supposed to be a
firsthand account, he saw an oldman first who later on became to
look like Satan, which theycalled the beast.
And it's it's very confusing.
(10:24):
So anyway, while they're at theGladso house, David also says
that he can see what's going onat this rental house.
And this is before before theygo back and say we're not
moving.
The dog is getting tormented.
They leave their poor little dogbehind all night long.
And um, the dog gets tormentedwhen they show up at the house
to get their shit becausethey're not gonna stay anymore.
(10:46):
The dog is like matted andsweaty and bloody, and yeah,
he's he's distressed allegory.
So um Mary says, I'm gonna livein this house, you guys do what
you want to do.
So they all move back to theGlatso house where shit
(11:08):
continues to go down with David.
So they decide, and in theirhome, like everybody's starting
to experience weird shit.
And then Carl Jr.
is getting an attitude becausehe's like, Y'all are crazy.
Then they think that he's beingum possessed.
Not well, not quite possessedyet.
They think that he's beingaffected by this entity as well
(11:30):
because now he's got an attitudemaking fun of his brother, which
he never did before.
But at the same time, here'sthis new thing that you've never
experienced before happening inyour family.
SPEAKER_01 (11:40):
And he's just like, y'all are y'all are fucking shot
out.
What the hell?
SPEAKER_00 (11:43):
Wild.
This is wild.
SPEAKER_01 (11:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (11:45):
So at first, Judy um calls some priests to come bless
the house.
They're like, here, here's someuh holy candles, burn these, get
back with us.
SPEAKER_01 (11:56):
And in the dock, they were trying to portray that
like they were a religiousfamily.
SPEAKER_00 (12:01):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (12:02):
But they weren't, they weren't, and then all of a
sudden it's like, oh, let'sdecorate the house, let's break
out all the cool stuff and makeit like we're all this holy
Catholic, you know, Christianthing.
But they really weren't.
They, you know, they're they'redragging priests into this stuff
and trying to make it to wherethey can add more of a narrative
to me, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (12:21):
Carl J.
So the priests can't doanything, so they of course end
up getting with the wards whocome in and tell them that
they're in the infestation umstage of uh uh a haunting.
And um, and so it's infestation,oppression, and possession.
(12:42):
So they're in the infestation,they try to get to the source of
where this all started.
Um but oh, and the word that Icouldn't think of, by the way,
was a deliverance.
When they try before instead ofdoing a whole exorcism on David,
they were just supposed to do adeliverance, like delivering him
from the evil, which is prettymuch the same as what I said.
(13:05):
I said rebuking, right?
That's all that.
And here's my here's anotherargument that I have.
So the whole the Christian theChristian denomination, the
Christian religion will tell youthat the devil has no power.
But in all these cases, seemslike they have all the power.
SPEAKER_01 (13:25):
Yeah, revolution.
SPEAKER_00 (13:27):
That guy is so great.
What's his name?
SPEAKER_01 (13:30):
Oh, I don't know, but I've been watching him a
lot.
Revolution.
SPEAKER_00 (13:32):
Yeah, so this guy on TikTok who lists uh he's got
this great little handlebar maskmustache.
He's great, and he lists allthese things that are worthy of
revolution.
SPEAKER_01 (13:43):
I agree with every one of them.
Why?
SPEAKER_00 (13:45):
Love it.
SPEAKER_01 (13:46):
I think that I need to add some because I think I
have some things I need to saytoo.
You gotta take the power back.
Yeah, I I do think that umeventually that is probably
gonna happen, but it needs tohappen locally.
Not that we're into politics oranything like that, but I do I
do like that revolution guy.
I really like that stuff, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (14:06):
Right, but I mean you don't have to be into
politics just to see what isbullshit is going on around you
that ain't right at all.
SPEAKER_01 (14:14):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (14:16):
Okay, so um they do a couple of these um
deliverances, uh, which isbasically an exorcism that's not
being permitted by the RomanCatholic Church or the diocese.
And um at one point in one ofthem, I don't know if I said
this in the episode or not, butlike David allegedly almost
(14:39):
dies, like he was in fear forhis life because I I don't know
what they do in during anexorcism, but I know just from
hearing probably a hundreddifferent cases about shit like
that, it's it's traumatic too.
It's because it's always onkids.
It's very traumatic.
And um when they were fearingthat David was possibly could
(15:04):
lose his life over this, Arniechallenges uh Satan, the the
entity, and says, take me.
SPEAKER_01 (15:12):
Which is completely all set up just like Exorcism,
the Exorcist movie.
And I'm like, this is so set up.
It just seems it does seem veryit seems like somebody's telling
them what to do and we'll do itand we'll document what they're
doing after we've done, youknow, taught them how to act
this way.
You know, I just I just Carl Jr.
SPEAKER_00 (15:34):
says that when the Warrens initially came to their
home, he said, Okay, this iswhat you're going to start
experiencing with David.
And sure enough, it happens.
But David overhears all of it.
Like they Ed and Lorraine aretelling them right there in
their living room in front ofthe whole family what's gonna
happen.
(15:55):
And it's I mean, in 2007, Davidsaid that he fed into it.
SPEAKER_01 (16:00):
It's a charismatic proclamation where they're
actually manifest manifestingsomething to actually happen,
right?
SPEAKER_00 (16:06):
That's what I feel like is what and they're I'm
basically coaxing this kid intodoing what he did.
Revolution.
Revolution, but so now the beasthas left Arnie, I mean has left
David, now it's into Arnie, butit happens slow at first, like
(16:27):
so according to the book, I dobelieve, or I may have read
this.
Arnie gets possessed on a fewdifferent encounters before a
tragedy happens.
So everything's calmed down atthe Glatso house.
Debbie's like, I think it's agood time for us to go out.
(16:48):
Me, Arnie, and Jason go find ourown place again.
She finds a man named Alan Bonowho has a kennel that he has
inherited.
He doesn't really want to takecare of it, and that is her
profession.
She is a professional doggroomer and knows how to run a
kennel.
SPEAKER_01 (17:07):
Yeah, the thing about that is I don't think I
could ever drain the anal glandof any animals, you know?
I don't think I could do it.
SPEAKER_00 (17:15):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (17:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:17):
They have to do that?
SPEAKER_01 (17:18):
Yeah.
That's like a big thing.
You take your dog.
Well, if you especially if youhave like we're not animal
people, so I don't we likeanimals.
SPEAKER_00 (17:26):
We just don't want one.
SPEAKER_01 (17:27):
Well, years ago when I had like a little terrier dog,
that was one of the things thatthey do for you.
It's like that's part of theservice.
It's like squeezing the buttholeof like animals.
SPEAKER_00 (17:35):
What does that do?
SPEAKER_01 (17:36):
I don't know, but there's a thing.
Maybe we can look it up.
But there's a thing where theydo that.
They have like an anal drainingthing where they squeeze and
yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:44):
Listeners comment on this and help me understand.
I don't know.
I had never heard of that.
SPEAKER_01 (17:49):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
That's the only thing.
Like trimming and cool,whatever, even if it's a crazy
ass dog that's kind of rough toyou know, get them onto.
But I love that.
You know, that's really cool.
Like, you know, because you canmake like poodles look really
cool or whatever kind of animalslook really cool, or little
little dogs, you know, you canmake them look like little
tigers and fucking lions andshit and oh my.
(18:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:10):
Tigers and bears.
SPEAKER_01 (18:11):
Yeah.
But but the butthole thing, Idon't think I could be a
butthole surfer on that one.
Yeah, because I got gottasqueeze it or something.
Yeah, you gotta look that up.
Yes.
Thanks.
SPEAKER_00 (18:19):
Well, I do know that that's how they get what is it,
raspberry and vanilla artificialflavor?
SPEAKER_01 (18:26):
Oh, the the beaver ass, North American beaver ass.
We've all ate it.
SPEAKER_00 (18:31):
All of us.
SPEAKER_01 (18:31):
We have all eight the North American analysis.
SPEAKER_00 (18:34):
It's from milking the anal glands of a North
American beaver.
SPEAKER_01 (18:39):
That is how you get Well, they harvest them and they
dry them out and they use thatextract from the dried out anal
gland.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:48):
Who discovered that?
SPEAKER_01 (18:49):
Yeah, I guess uh, you know, maybe some trappers or
some shit walking around.
It's like, let's eat thisbutthole and say, Oh, this is
good.
Shit.
Let's make ice cream from this.
SPEAKER_00 (18:58):
See, that's the kind of shit that hurts my brain.
Who was the first one todiscover that?
SPEAKER_01 (19:03):
Yeah, who licked the butthole of the beaver?
SPEAKER_00 (19:12):
I mean, that's what it tastes like, but that's what
they use to make those flavors.
Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_01 (19:15):
Yeah.
Yeah.
For some reason that thatcreates a taste that tastes like
that.
SPEAKER_00 (19:20):
Vanilla, it's vanilla and raspberry, right?
That's the just the two.
And artificial flavoring, notnatural.
SPEAKER_01 (19:25):
No, that's a natural flavor.
It's not artificial at all.
SPEAKER_00 (19:28):
It says that when I looked it up before, it says
it's how they make theartificial flavor.
SPEAKER_01 (19:32):
Yeah, but I mean, but it's it's a natural, like, I
don't know how you twist that,but it's it's naturally the
gland from the beavers.
SPEAKER_00 (19:40):
But the flavor is artificial.
SPEAKER_01 (19:42):
Yeah, it's not the actual berry or the yes, right,
right.
SPEAKER_00 (19:46):
It's not vanilla and it's not.
SPEAKER_01 (19:48):
Yeah.
So that but there's there'sthere's in the line of the
butthole, is it, but it's anatural thing, but it just makes
the artificial flavor, sothere's a line there, right?
SPEAKER_00 (19:58):
So, anyhow.
SPEAKER_01 (19:59):
We've all ate it.
You have too over there,listeners.
SPEAKER_00 (20:02):
So, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (20:03):
Yeah, look it up.
I forgot the name of it.
They got a big old long ass nameof what they call that.
SPEAKER_00 (20:08):
So stay away from uh artificial flavors if you uh are
terrified of the fact that itcomes from a beaver's butthole.
SPEAKER_01 (20:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:17):
Anyhow.
SPEAKER_01 (20:17):
Read what's in your in your food.
SPEAKER_00 (20:20):
So Arnie, Debbie, and little Jason move into
there's an apartment above thekennel, above the kennels that
they're gonna live in.
It's like it's like a dreamcombo there, okay?
You got your home and yourworkplace all together.
Now, Alan Bono, he was a coololder guy.
And you know, when I waslistening to the book, I was
like expecting him to be thislike old haggard guy that kind
(20:44):
of looked like David Parker Ray.
I don't know why.
But then when I looked up hispicture, I'm like, he was a
pretty kid Joe.
SPEAKER_01 (20:50):
Yeah, he was a good one.
SPEAKER_00 (20:51):
Yeah, he was he was a pretty boy, like legit.
So um Alan's a drunk though, andum they got along with him
pretty well, you know, butsometimes he could be too much.
It was said that he would justkind of drink till he passed
out.
Well, one day, um, I forgot theexact date and I don't have my
(21:14):
notes.
I think it was February, right?
February 1981.
Um they are so Arnie wakes up,he doesn't feel good, and uh, so
he calls out from work.
Debbie and Debbie's uh sistersand niece are going to stay.
They were like out, school wasout that day, so they were gonna
(21:34):
stay the night.
And uh so they're working in thekennels.
Alan's like, let's all go out tolunch.
So Arnie by this time, I guess,was feeling a little bit better.
He was uh better enough to goeat lunch, and they all had like
burgers and fries at arestaurant that also served wine
because 13 glasses of wine wereordered to this table.
(21:54):
Now, allegedly, Debbie didn'tdrink any.
Arnie had one glass after beingpressured by Alan, and Alan
drank the rest.
And then on the way back, theystopped at a liquor store so
Alan could get more wine, and hecontinued drinking.
SPEAKER_01 (22:10):
Just like the police said at the very end of it, you
know, alcohol, some turmoil, uh,a trifecta type relationship
going on.
SPEAKER_00 (22:19):
Well, it's all they're there was rumors that um
Alan and Debbie had had anaffair.
Don't know when, because youknow, all this kind of just
happened very quickly.
So the story goes that Debbiefelt like something bad was
(22:40):
gonna happen.
She got in a feeling ofimpending doom, called her
mother, and her mother was like,Oh my god, I got the same
feeling.
She was like, Y'all, just comeon over here.
Well, Debbie's like, I gottafinish up with work.
But then Judy, Judy Glatzel, themother of the family, I don't
know if I've mentioned her namein this episode, but um, she
starts calling back every halfhour, and then finally is just
(23:02):
like, get here now.
Like, I really feel likesomething bad's gonna happen.
Well, Alan had still beendrinking and was insisting on
them staying for dinner as well.
Debbie was like, No, we're gonnago to my mom's house.
And he's like, please, please,please.
And she didn't really want to,but she was like, Okay, I'm
gonna go get pizza.
(23:23):
So they go get pizza, and Idon't know if I put this in the
story, but as the book is told,she wanted to make because he
was in Alan was in theirapartment.
She wanted to get him to hisapartment because she knew once
he was had drank enough, he wasgonna pass out and didn't want
him passing out in theirapartment.
So she's like, All right, we'regonna go eat this pizza in your
(23:45):
place.
So they get to their his place,and he's got the music blaring.
He's fucking with the TVs,pissed off and yelling and
cussing at the TV.
Very, you know, very chaoticsituation.
SPEAKER_01 (23:57):
Yeah, he's throwing shit and all the things.
SPEAKER_00 (23:58):
Throwing shit, right.
And then um, and Debbie andArnie are like, all right, we
gotta go.
So they get the, they put theygather up the girls, they're
trying to go, and Alan in uh,you know, kind of a drunken
rage, grabs one of the girls.
Well, somehow, during all this,this Debbie says that Arnie gets
possessed and starts hitting andbeating her.
(24:21):
This is my opinion, and I'mgonna say this.
I feel like the affair wasexposed at that point.
Because why else would he justbe?
I mean, I'm sorry.
I understand that if this was areal possession, that could
possibly happen.
But it's just really convenienthow out of nowhere he starts
beating Debbie, even though Alanis holding on to one of the
(24:44):
girls, and Alan should be thethe sole purpose, the sole focus
of any kind of altercation.
But Arnie is beating on Debbie,and then he supposedly comes to
and apologizes.
I guess the devil left him for aminute, but then he comes back
in and he stabs Alan Bono.
SPEAKER_01 (25:07):
Yeah, and some of the kids are in the car and they
didn't see what really was.
SPEAKER_00 (25:10):
Yeah, two of the kids had run down to the car.
SPEAKER_01 (25:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (25:13):
And the other one had gotten out, had gotten up
from the grip before Arnie andAlan start going at it.
Doesn't that make sense though?
So at some point, I really feellike this affairs.
SPEAKER_01 (25:26):
Shit of rage, man.
All the shit fucking hit thefan.
SPEAKER_00 (25:29):
Shit hit the fan.
SPEAKER_01 (25:30):
Get at the fan and I'm drunk and I'm fucking I'm
exposing revolution.
SPEAKER_00 (25:34):
I do not feel like the devil had any part of this
story.
SPEAKER_01 (25:38):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (25:38):
Um, so it is alleged that after, well, it's not
alleged.
This actually happened.
So after the stabbing, Arnietakes off.
But it is alleged that when hewas found, he did not remember
anything.
And he was like, huh?
I did what?
SPEAKER_01 (25:56):
Right.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (25:58):
So he gets arrested.
And um, now the Warrens, theyhave already like pre-meditated
this happening after theexorcism of David.
They went to the police andsaid, I feel like something bad
is gonna happen and a killingmay involve.
(26:19):
And I think she actually saidstabbing.
SPEAKER_01 (26:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (26:22):
And um, so they I don't know if they took it
seriously or not, because theWarrens weren't with the police,
they weren't with the church,they weren't with, I mean, they
had already been at this forabout 30 years.
SPEAKER_01 (26:34):
This is like a premeditation, premeditated
cohort, coher cohorsed,coherced, co-coerced, coerced,
yeah, all the worst and yeah.
I think just planting all thatthe the seed in there, and then
you put all the rest of it inthe salad, you know, everything
just exploded uh on top of youknow the alcohol and the the
(26:58):
relationship and the the turmoiland everything hit the fan all
at one time.
He probably used all of that toactually manifest something that
turned into something, you know,like the knife and shit.
Yeah.
I feel like they kind of plantedthe seed there, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (27:12):
I mean, maybe Lorraine had some, because you
know, they had been involvedwith this family a lot over the
past few months.
Maybe she knew that um Debbiewas was running around on Arnie.
Maybe she knew.
SPEAKER_01 (27:28):
Yeah, well, then they all might have confided
into him different in differentsituations, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (27:32):
Maybe they they pulled him in, you know, and
there's still a lot of the storythat we just don't know,
probably never will.
SPEAKER_01 (27:38):
Right.
Had had independent confessionsor something with them, with
each of them, and they all kindof fucking knew what was in
their minds and then startedfeeding off of that to create a
huge narrative, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (27:48):
But Lorraine and Ed said, no, Arnie didn't do this.
The devil did because he testedthe devil and the devil entered
him and possessed him, and thiswould literally be the trial of
the devil made me do it.
SPEAKER_01 (28:02):
And they were trying to use that because they were
getting away with that shit inEurope, right?
SPEAKER_00 (28:06):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (28:07):
Yeah, I seen on the doc that we were watching.
Okay, yeah, that was like adefense that actually did work
in Europe, like in a couple oftrials.
Yeah, I seen that shit.
SPEAKER_00 (28:16):
And Europeans, what the fuck?
SPEAKER_01 (28:18):
Yeah, the devil made me do it.
And didn't work over here.
At least that judge kind offucking was like, nah.
SPEAKER_00 (28:23):
This yeah, the judge in in in Bridgeport,
Connecticut, or whatever uhwhatever county that was, yeah,
was like, no.
No, he was like, so this is whatthey they decided to turn around
and make it a self-defense casebecause Alan had had a hold of
one of the girls who was a minorchild, which was a crime in
within itself.
So, but that didn't work either.
SPEAKER_01 (28:45):
Well, it kind of did because brought it down to
manslaughter, brought it down tomanslaughter.
SPEAKER_00 (28:49):
Arnie is sentenced to 25 years, but he gets five.
He was a good boy, he was a goodboy, and he received some
degrees in prison, and hemarried Debbie in prison, and he
was out in five years.
Now he was on parole, so he hadprobably another five of
probation.
I don't I don't really know howlong.
(29:09):
Beautiful wedding.
SPEAKER_01 (29:11):
If I ever go to prison, let's get a divorce and
get remarried back in prison.
SPEAKER_00 (29:18):
No way we can have a beautiful wedding.
Well, I think in prison that'sthe only way that you can go see
the only conjugal vigil.
A person that's not related toyou.
Or I mean, okay, so I think youcan only have people that are
related to you.
So if you're not married, Idon't I don't know the rules.
SPEAKER_01 (29:36):
Yeah.
But it probably depends on theprison, you know?
SPEAKER_00 (29:39):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, because well, yeah, thatwouldn't make sense because
there, I mean, there's murderersthat have uh uh journalists and
all that shit come in and talkto them.
So I don't know, I don't know.
Um, but I do know that um thathappens a lot.
Uh a girl that I used to workwith, I just seen that she just
married this guy like out of Theblue.
(30:00):
This was just no be being nosyon Facebook.
Well, it was in my news feed.
And then he was in prison.
SPEAKER_01 (30:06):
We did a string of podcasts where women were like
chasing after the murderers andserial killers and shit.
SPEAKER_00 (30:12):
Oh, I know.
That's wild.
Now, at the same time,Revolution.
I'm very glad that Lori.
SPEAKER_01 (30:21):
There you go.
That was a good one.
SPEAKER_00 (30:22):
That's a different one.
SPEAKER_01 (30:23):
That's a different story.
That's a different thing.
SPEAKER_00 (30:26):
Got involved with Damien to help save him from
death row.
Yeah.
To get she was very she waslike, oh my God, he didn't do
this.
Let me help him.
And then they fell in love andshe has worked and she they
married and she has worked herass off for what is it, 30 years
now?
25, I think, is how long she'sbeen involved.
SPEAKER_01 (30:46):
That was our last um last October's where we did the
whole satanic panic stuff again.
Cause we think, and we keepbringing that back up because we
support them boys.
We really do.
SPEAKER_00 (30:56):
And we're waiting.
We're just waiting for thejustice.
SPEAKER_01 (30:58):
That's what we're waiting on.
We're gonna keep bringing thoseguys up from you know the
Memphis three.
SPEAKER_00 (31:06):
We have a three-parter on that.
SPEAKER_01 (31:07):
Westman's we've been talking about them forever, man.
SPEAKER_00 (31:10):
Oh, yeah.
I'm I'm gonna plug them foreverbecause it's it's I'm very just
I don't know, that case isreally special to me.
But um, there's I mean, yes,those guys got out on an alpha
plea, but they are stillconvicted murderers and they
didn't do it.
And the guy that did, or thepeople that did, commit the
murders have never been broughtto justice.
(31:31):
They're still walking round.
They still walking round.
SPEAKER_01 (31:34):
Which I think is one person, but that's just our
opinion.
Just our opinion, revolution,our opinion, revolution.
But uh I'm glad this is kickingin because I was kind of
earlier, I was kind of blah,dude.
We went and ate earlier and fam.
Been relaxing.
SPEAKER_00 (31:48):
Well, breakfast slash lunch, brunch with the
fam.
SPEAKER_01 (31:50):
Got the cosmic vibe over here trying to get me
alive.
Revolution.
SPEAKER_00 (31:54):
And I am sitting, I've turned my air down, but I'm
sitting over here on the vergeof a uh uh heat, a heat a fuck,
a hot flash.
SPEAKER_01 (32:03):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Full parry mode over here.
SPEAKER_00 (32:05):
Yeah, I'm like, it's already starting to beat up.
But so we're gonna wrap up ourrecap.
So that is go back and listen tothe full episode to get all the
details.
And um, yeah, so when you'rewatching The Devil Made Me Do
It, um just think about it witha different frame of mind.
Actually, we haven't watchedthat one.
(32:26):
No, no, we just watched TheConjuring One and Two, and we've
watched a couple of the nuns,they suck.
So, but like a lot of Annabelle.
SPEAKER_01 (32:33):
A lot of that all ties in just the same with what
happened in Ocean Avenue.
It was like, okay, they'retrying to dive off into
something they can't afford.
SPEAKER_00 (32:41):
Way out of their price, right?
SPEAKER_01 (32:43):
Money stress, right?
Now you're adding the alcoholand you're adding the
relationship and the crazystatus of all that, and being
able to persuade children intodoing something that's crazy,
and then build a whole thing,and then boom, boom, Ed and
Lorraine show up, and theneverything is just completely
fucking scriptured, and a lot ofit ties in with the exorcism.
SPEAKER_00 (33:06):
So and I want to go ahead because we're gonna talk
about Ed and Lorraine for twomore episodes, so I want to go
ahead and mention so far umthings that they have made money
off of just by what we've talkedabout.
So they've made funny off moneyoff of Amityville book and
movie, they've made money off ofthe Gladsel family book and uh
and an entire universe ofmovies.
(33:29):
And um, there's gonna be morebooks and more movies that we're
gonna talk about in the nextepisode.
SPEAKER_01 (33:34):
So And herein comes Netflix, so they're gonna
cha-ching on that one too,right?
SPEAKER_00 (33:39):
Uh, I don't know if they made any money off of
those.
I mean, they were both gone bythat point.
SPEAKER_01 (33:43):
Well, Ed and Rain didn't, but you know, ever, you
know, the the parties involved.
SPEAKER_00 (33:47):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (33:47):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (33:47):
Parties involved.
So it's all gonna come together,and I'm going, I'm literally
gonna list out everything thatthey had their hand in, um, like
that they made money off of, andthey made money off of the
Gladstell and Johnson familyfamily.
And they had even at one pointtold the fam or told David that
he was gonna be a rich littleboy, but he was not.
(34:10):
I think it was what did I sayfor?
SPEAKER_01 (34:12):
They literally did say they were gonna be rich, and
they all went to California andget fucked shit out of the
state.
SPEAKER_00 (34:17):
Well, they uh they got and now the mother, she went
on to do interviews and stuff.
The dad, he was a whole vibe.
Carl Sr.
SPEAKER_01 (34:25):
With his hat that said documented.
Yeah, it was wearing like atrucker hat that said fuck off
or something.
SPEAKER_00 (34:30):
I was like, that's my guy.
SPEAKER_01 (34:32):
That's my guy.
SPEAKER_00 (34:33):
He reminded me of like a mixture of Wayland
Jennings and Charlie Daniels.
SPEAKER_01 (34:36):
That's what I said.
Wayland's on the on the screennow.
SPEAKER_00 (34:39):
Yes, but also with a Charlie Daniels vibe, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (34:42):
Yeah, it was really cool.
SPEAKER_00 (34:43):
Old school 70s, um, good old boy, you know.
Um, but yeah, he was a wholevibe.
I I I don't know why I gotgreat, I got great vibes from
the Carls.
Not from anybody else.
SPEAKER_01 (34:54):
Yeah, no, he was he was a cool cat, man.
I could tell.
What are you swatting him for?
But your nails, they're sharp,they're gonna put out somebody's
eyes.
SPEAKER_00 (35:01):
Yeah, it was fun in here.
I and we had that door open lastnight.
We fried some good chicken.
We did the Cheeto chickentenders.
SPEAKER_01 (35:09):
It was good, it was good.
We were that's where we werewatching the dock too, or the
Netflix stuff.
We were cooking the Netflixstuff, and we were like, we were
cooking, we were chilling, we'redoing our thing.
SPEAKER_00 (35:17):
We were frying food, and my house still smells like a
fried tender, even with all thewax warmers and candles.
SPEAKER_01 (35:22):
So, all in all in a circle here.
Follow us Friday, though.
We're gonna be dropping someshit.
SPEAKER_00 (35:29):
We're gonna start part one of our two-part series
on Ed and Lorraine Warren andtalk about some more cases
they're involved in.
But give a little backstory andand some more information about
them.
SPEAKER_01 (35:40):
More about the revolution.
SPEAKER_00 (35:41):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (35:42):
Yeah, revolution.
SPEAKER_00 (35:44):
And some uh the devil.
Some shit that just kind of blewmy mind when I found out about
all of their stuff a couple ofyears ago.
SPEAKER_01 (35:51):
So all of that's good evidence.
We want video, more audio.
I want to I I'm still half-assedon the fence, but I'm I don't
know, I don't know, Lindsay.
You're like, oh you're on thefence.
I don't know.
But I haven't seen enough yet.
I want to be a few.
SPEAKER_00 (36:05):
Out of all the cases that I have, I have, I know in
my head so far that you don'tknow.
Yeah.
But there's one.
There's one.
And I'm gonna talk about it uhin a couple of weeks.
SPEAKER_01 (36:14):
So you're light years ahead of me on this whole
narrative thing.
So I'm just now I have to saythat I'm still on the fence
right now.
SPEAKER_00 (36:23):
The one that I actually kind of believe they
really weren't a part of.
They tried to put themselves init, but they weren't really like
big, so it's that's why Ibelieve.
SPEAKER_01 (36:32):
Something cool enough to be half-ash legit, and
they were like, but wait, yeah,revolution.
SPEAKER_00 (36:36):
Yeah, but anyways, we're gonna wrap up this recap.
So stay tuned for our episode onFriday.
Happy Halloween.
We love you guys so much.
We are going to hydrate and getstarted recording.
SPEAKER_01 (36:48):
And it's gonna be like a group seven type session.
SPEAKER_00 (36:51):
So oh, yes, yeah, we're on group seven.
SPEAKER_01 (36:54):
Well, Friday, not here.
You're on group like six and ahalf, six point nine, maybe.
Yeah, group seven Friday.
Check us out.
We're gonna be there.
We're gonna be doing two partsof Ed and Lorraine.
So we're gonna start our firstpart coming up.
So we'll see you guys then.
So excited, though.
SPEAKER_00 (37:11):
We love you so much.
Like, subscribe, comment,follow, share, and revolution.
And revolution for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (37:18):
Absolutely.
Bye.
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