EPISODE 26: Monsters of the Moors PART 3

The conclusion of our Monsters of the Moors trilogy delivers the final chapter in one of Britain's most notorious murder cases. After terrorizing Manchester for years, Myra Hindley and Ian Brady's murderous partnership finally came crashing down when they inexplicably involved Myra's brother-in-law in their fifth killing—a fatal mistake that led to their capture and conviction.

What follows is a decades-long saga of manipulation, appeals, and denied justice that's almost as disturbing as the original crimes. Behind prison walls, Hindley crafted a carefully calculated persona, convincing influential supporters of her rehabilitation while Brady openly embraced his monstrosity. Meanwhile, victims' families like Ann West, mother of 10-year-old Leslie Ann Downey, spent their lives fighting to keep these killers behind bars, repeatedly forced to relive their trauma at endless appeal hearings.

The most heartbreaking aspect may be Keith Bennett, whose body remains unfound despite both killers eventually admitting his murder. His mother's desperate letters to Hindley begging for closure went effectively unanswered—a final cruelty inflicted on a family already devastated by loss.

We explore how justice eventually arrived not through execution but through life imprisonment that ended only with the natural deaths of both killers—Hindley in 2002 and Brady fifteen years later in 2017. Their passing marked the end of a dark chapter in British criminal history, though the wounds they created continue to affect multiple generations of families touched by their evil.

Join us for this powerful conclusion as we raise a glass to the resilience of those who fought for justice and remember the innocent lives forever changed by two monsters who found each other and unleashed unspeakable horror across the moors of northern England.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey Jesse, hey Lindsey, what are you drinking
today?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm drinking a little bit more of my Jack Daniels.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Did you forget?
No, do you need me to remindyou I need to drink more of it.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
That's what it is.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
It's Jack Honey.
Because of the pollination,because of the pollination.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
All the pollens down here in Florida.
Yes, it's nasty.
Everything is yellow.
Yeah, and it.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
All the pollens down here in Florida.
Yes, it's nasty, everything isyellow yeah, and it was all
yellow.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
We're getting seasoned like good, you hear me.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Like some good.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Can you hear me now?

Speaker 1 (00:35):
And it was all yellow .

Speaker 2 (00:36):
What are you drinking over there?
Tell me.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
I've got me a black cherry Vista Bay.
I'm about to go to get me agreen apple one, though.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
So black cherry, bam Bam Lamb.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yes, vista Bay Black Cherry.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Bam Bam Lamb Woo.
Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
I bet it's good.
It is good.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
I've let it get a little warm though, because
we've been watching a little bitof the stuff.
The stuff we're drinking about.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, this is episode three of the stuff we're
drinking about.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, this will be the last part, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
The last part.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, we're going to wrap it up.
Monsters of the Moors.
So yeah, we've been watching.
They are so British andScottish that we had to put on
subtitles.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah no offense over there.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
No, no offense whatsoever.
We love it he's like are youskint?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Are you skint?
And I guess that's you're broke.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
And I'm skint.
I know that's crazy, because Iwas thinking the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
I was like I don't remember that because I want to
use that.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, I want to use.
I'm skint.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
I'm a skint.
Yes, yeah, I'm LeonardSkintered.
I was taking a sip and almostchoked.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
That was cool.
No, yeah, yes, leonardSkintered.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yes, so what made you feel old?

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Well, you know, last time it was like the shoulder
thing and the pollen, and nowit's like there's a fly buzzing
around our head.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
It's a gnat.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
A gnat.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Because we ate outdoors and we left the back
door open and it's already hotas fuck here in Florida.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Already.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Already.
I mean, we're just at thebeginning of April and
everybody's like where wasspring?
Yeah, we went straight tosummer Summer and I'm yeah with
the summer solstice over here.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
But yeah.
So what makes me feel old istime.
Honestly, it passes by so damnfast.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
It's old as time.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
That is such a good movie I think it's our favorite.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Well, okay, so it's number one.
But a close, like it's almostright, in number one with me is
lila wood stitch.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
As far as disney movies, go, but mine and your
thing is beauty and the beast ofthat.
What made you feel old thisweek?

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Okay, so I'm going through perimenopause a little
bit.
My mood swings, buddy, they areinsane.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
That and fucking with the thermostat.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah.
Like I've had two full full onhot flashes this week.
Full on.
My first one was at work thisweek.
I have a regular group thatcomes in the first Tuesday of
every month.
It's a motorcycle club and theylove me, so they request me and
I take care of them.
And when I was taking theirorder, full on head to toe.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Night sweats.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Head to toe, pure sweats right out every single
pore of my body, all the way tomy toes, like my toes were
sweating.
I don't even know how thathappens.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
So is that like a realization when, okay, you're a
girl and you become into, youknow, womanhood, then you've got
to figure out to deal with allthat.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
then you have your 30 years of womanhood and then now
you have to deal with all thatwomen got we shit into this,
yeah like I mean I already onlyhave about one good week out of
the month between pms, theactual period, ovulation, then I
get like a week where I justfeel normal and then it all

(04:31):
starts over again.
It's a circle.
And then now I haveperimenopausal, so yeah, so that
I mean I had my heart wasracing, I felt like I was going
to faint for a minute and like Iwas kind of of moist the rest
of the night and it was gross,sweaty, yes, sweaty, moist.
I was like I'm not part of that.

(04:54):
I don't remember this one.
What was?

Speaker 2 (04:57):
this.
What episode was this?

Speaker 1 (05:00):
And then I had one again today.
I was cleaning the house and wekeep our house cold pretty much
year round.
I was cleaning and just doingmy normal Friday shit and I just
started breaking out into asweat again.
I turned the thermostat downlike two more notches and then

(05:26):
after I get a shower I'mfreezing like everything.
I'm cold, cold, cold, likeuncomfortable cold.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
So yeah, it's a struggle that's what makes me
feel old.
It's a circle it's a circle.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
So, but to all of our listeners, happy Friday.
Happy Friday, everybody.
Woohoo, we're here, we're here,we're here, we're here, we're
here.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Happy Friday, yeah, happy Friday everybody.
Woo-hoo, we're here, we're here, we're here, we're here, we're
here.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
We're here, we're here, we're here.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Part three Moore's murder.
It kind of reminds me of FourGears of who.
We're here, we're here, we'rehere, we're here, we're here.
Yeah, you know, and I loveHorton Hears a who, it kind of

(06:19):
reminds me of how small youactually are?
You remember that Men in Blackmovie where they were playing
with the marbles and the marbleswere galaxies?

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
That's how small we are, Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, it blows my mind when I see videos or
TikToks or whatever on how smallour planet is compared to our
universe, compared to theuniverses around us, when they
do that thing where it shows allthe galaxies around you.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
It's like 500 billion stars just in ours, just in
ours.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Does that does?

Speaker 2 (06:49):
that.
Does it make you feel likeoverwhelmed or anything weird
about that?
I mean, I'm, I'm well, you know.
I'm comfortable with it.
I'm living, you know.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
I have the same overwhelming thoughts, thinking
about products that a restaurantuses, Like just the restaurant
that I work at alone is one ofover 600 chains of the
restaurant that I work at and Ijust sometimes I'll sit and
think about all the chicken andbutter and jelly and just every

(07:21):
and eggs that we use on a dailybasis.
Then I think of that times 600.
Then I'm thinking about all theother places.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
At the same time, we're just like I go into a
whole zone within seconds.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
We're like a grain of sand to anything.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
It's insane.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
So I guess, stop sweating it with your night
sweats, right?

Speaker 1 (07:41):
yeah, I'll have to literally, I like shake it out
of my head, so I'll stopoverthinking about product usage
.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, it's crazy and quit it, just quit it.
It doesn't matter.
Really, don't Live life, behappy and listen to true crime
and drama with us.
God, trauma, drama.
You've been fucking me up, dude.
This is like episode 26.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yes, this will be episode 26.
Whoa, I know 26.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
And I'm still here in this damn seat crying and
pummeling.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
You're right, by the peace lily, though, so you can
just like touch it and laughinto it and cry into it.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Lindsay's flower plants, her plants, dance in the
morning.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
In the morning she sent me a video of that and he
was like, oh, I bet that's justthe wind from the fan.
I'm like, no, no, they only doit in the morning.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
I'm looking.
Right now they're not movingright now, nope, but in the
morning, when the sun hits them,her plants are dancing.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yes, that is insane, I know.
But I'm going to let you firebecause, Well, you haven't asked
me what are we drinking?

Speaker 2 (08:44):
about today.
We already know it's part threeof the Horicious Moricious
Moricious.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Well, you know but our listeners may not know, this
could be their first episode.
Oh, yeah, it could be, it couldbe the first episode coming
into their algorithm.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
If it is, though, go back.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Go back, because you don't want to be here yet,
horicious Moricious.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
We're talking about these murders and stuff in
England.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah, so we're on part three.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Great Britain.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Of Myra Hadley and Ian Brady, not Hadley.
You know, I did Kingdom.
I'm thinking of Tyler Hadley.
Oh God, that's another episodethat we cover.
Go way, way back, way, way back.
So, excuse me, myra Hindley andIan Brady, the Moores murderers
yeah, I just made Jesse.
We're watching a three-episodeminiseries on them.

(09:32):
That's on Amazon Prime called.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
It's playing out pretty cool.
See, no Evil, it's playing outpretty cool yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
And if you are new here, what we do is we have a
drink.
That was me setting mine downJesse's sipping his.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
I'm always drinking mine.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
If I'm quiet.
I'm drinking we talk about truecrime and at the end of the
episode we plug a band thatwe're digging and that we think
you should also listen to, andmy ultimate goal is to break
Jesse and I think I have alittle bit with this one yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I've broken him quite a few times.
We've got an international bancoming up too.
Yeah, At the end of this one.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Oh, I'm excited.
So we're going to part three,and we ended the last episode
with Ian and Myra killing theirfifth victim, edward Evans, with
an axe and involving Myra'sbrother-in-law, david Smith, in
this one.
They just kind of brought himinto the mix for absolutely no

(10:31):
motherfucking reason, poor David.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
It's crazy to watch the the whole thing unfold and
see her reading about themanipulation and how they have
both just caressed and and ledeverybody into this horrific
thing that they do to them.
It's insane.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
And what did I point out to you?
That the photos in that littledocu-series, well, movie series
basically.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
It's them, it's actually them.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
I was like that's really them, that's really their
fucking picture.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
And you were waiting, you were waiting.
It was like where's Pauline?
Yeah, and then boom, they dropit and there she is and it's
like, ah, oh, I'm starting tosee all this now coming to light
and I don't know about the lastbit of this and I know I'm not
ready.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
I'm not ready, lindsey I can go ahead and ease
your mind that that was the endof their murder spree.
Nobody wants to know that yet.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, they do Do they Because I'm about to tell them.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
So, david had no idea what he was walking into when
he walked into Myra's home fromhis house and witnessed a brutal
murder, played nice until hewas able to leave, walked slowly
away until he was out of sightand then hauled ass till he gets
home.
Upon arriving home, he isvomiting and dry heaving.

(11:50):
He's had to hold this in for along time.
Okay, I mean, it was like Likea day and a half, right.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Not a day and a half, no, it was Well.
I mean, he started with them,hung out the night, the murder,
then the next morning.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
And he went home around 3 am, which I called the
witching hour.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Oh okay, the witching hour, okay.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
And he tells Maureen everything.
He walks right in the door.
He's sick as fuck, terrified.
He tells her everything andthey go directly to the police.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
And it hadn't been long before that they had just
lost their baby, right.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, it was yeah, because that was their coping
mechanism.
They started hanging out withhim.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
And then they were like hey, by the way, you want
to do some robberies, you wantto?

Speaker 1 (12:27):
do this.
You want to do that?

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, ian, was trying to get David to become him
Fucking full-on axe murder rightthere in front of him.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
So when they go to the police, David gives them a
full statement on what happened,Plus lets them know that Ian
had told him there had been moremurders and the victims were
buried at Saddleworth Moor.
He also let them know that Iandid have guns in the house.
So 24 plain clothed policemenwere called to duty to surround

(12:57):
Myra's well Gran's house, PoorGran.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
I wonder if the police come in.
And she was like can I make yousome sandwiches?

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Oh my God.
So Ian, while he had murderedEdward, had hurt his ankle so he
was going to call into workthat day but was sending Myra as
normal.
Remember they both workedtogether at Millward's
Merchandising.
Myra was about to head out anda lieutenant on the case had
found a bread delivery man andasked for his truck and his

(13:32):
uniform so he could use that asa ploy.
You know what happened to thedays of milk and bread delivery.
Not that we need fresh breaddelivered every day because,
instacart we would be so fat ifwe got fresh bread delivered
every day, fresh, hot, warm.
I mean it is I mean it's there.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
All you got to do is just click on the app.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
You know it's there I know that's true, but I mean it
was just a service that butlet's always forget about that.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Lindsey, I cannot have ice cream here in 30
minutes no, we have done it okay, so.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
So the Lieutenant knocks on the door, dressed as a
bread guy, and Myra lets himright in, even though she was
like we don't really order thisservice, but you know, you got
some fresh bread.
Come on in, come on in.
And this is a very smart movebecause, unbeknownst to him,
myra and Ian had made a pactthat if they ever got caught

(14:28):
they were going to go out in ablaze of glory.
In a blaze of glory, bon Jovi,I'm going out in a blaze of
glory.
I don't know what he says afterthat.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
In a blaze of glory.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Well, he says I'm going out in a blaze of glory.
Well, he says I'm going out ina blaze of glory, and then he
goes I'm going out in something,something.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, so what's that from Young Guns 2.
Bon Jovi, young Guns 2.
Yeah, fucking fire ass movie,both of them.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
By the way.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Opening a new.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
RI.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, even though that has nothing to do with what
we're talking about.
But rest in peace, because hedid the Well like the young guns
.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
And then I was thinking of guns and I was
thinking of-.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Fucking Doc Holliday, I'll be your fucking
huckleberry.
I'll be your fuckinghuckleberry.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, yeah, anyhow, mad Mardigan passed away.
Yeah, I know Mad yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, anyhow, mad Mardigan passed away.
Yeah, I know, mad MardiganBatman.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Batman.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
From Batman Returns.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
I'm done.
I'm done, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Sorry, that is one of my favorite ones, you know,
you're cloud.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Enough about that one .
Lindsay over there, look at you.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
I know Okay.
So Michael Keaton, yes.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
For hands down.
We'll argue about this, butBatman.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Returns is a fantastic fucking film.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
It is Okay, it is.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
It is a great film Because you get Robin into the
mix.
You get Jim Carrey as theRiddler.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
And you get Tommy Lee Jones as fucking Harvey
Two-Face.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
And it worked out perfectly.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
It was really good.
It was such a good movie.
It was really good.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
But you know our OG though.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
And Drew Barrymore is in there somewhere too.
She was one of the Harvey'sgirls.
It was good.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
It was good Anyhow.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
So they were going to go out in a blaze of glory.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Along with a suicide pact.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
So the lieutenant comes in, he's dressed in the
bread, he's got the bread.
Or bread delivery man, he's gotthe bread, but he pushes right
past her and Ian is on the couchwriting an excuse to get out of
work for the day Because youknow you couldn't.
I mean, I know they had phonesin the 60s.
Maybe Gran just didn't have aphone per se.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
But it was easier, just with a note, you know.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
So police start searching the area, and then
they find a room that is locked.
They demand the area.
And then they find a room thatis locked.
They demand that it be unlockedand myra's like, well, the keys
are at the office so.
But ian's like, just unlock it.
And um, there was a fight thatgot out of hand last night.
It's upstairs.
This is what ian says.

(16:59):
And then they found edward'sbody.
Can you imagine being a policeofficer finding the body of a
man who had been axed with 14blows and then strangled?

Speaker 2 (17:12):
It's everywhere.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
So Ian tried to get his revolver, but he had forgot
he had put it in another roomthe night before and he couldn't
get to it fast enough.
Police found the written outplan to dispose of Edward's body
and notebooks that Ian hadwritten in and he had written
the name John Kilbride.
So now they have a connection.

(17:36):
Yeah, Up to this point noconnection.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Right, and the whole town had already gathered up all
these other missing individuals.
And it's just, it's a circle,it's a full circle.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, well, on the miniseries they show like a map
and they find someone right inthe center and they're like
Gorton, and that is exactlywhere these fuckers were.
Yeah, ian was initially chargedwith just Edward's murder, and
Myra was also arrested but thenbriefly released for around four
days and stayed with her mother.

(18:09):
Now she really hadn't had muchto do with her mother.
She's been with Gran most ofthe time, right?
She did destroy some evidence,though, while she was out, but
she didn't destroy enough.
The ticket to the luggagelocker containing a whole bunch
of evidence was found in herprayer book.
Ooh yeah, this luggage alsocontained the tape recording of

(18:35):
Leslie Ann Downey's torture andmurder.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
That's the one I never want to hear.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
All kinds of horrible pictures of their victims and
so now Myra, she's officiallycharged.
Police then find out thatPatricia Hodges, the little girl
that hung out with them andthey didn't harm but they would
have her walk you know, go onpicnics with them on the moors.
They had her walk on the pathsthat Ian and Myra had taken on

(19:04):
the Moors On Saturday, october16th.
While walking some of thesepaths, they start looking
through the photos that Ian andMyra had taken and they found
Leslie and Downing's body Like.
They compared the photos tospots.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
The spots yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
I did not write this in my notes, but they also did a
.
They took Myra's dog Puppet,because there was a picture of
her and the dog standing at oneof the graves, and they did like
a test to see how old the dogwas, and it ended up passing

(19:45):
away under anesthetic wow yeah,while trying to figure out how
old the dog was to compare it tothis crime scene it was giving
a timeline, yeah and and thenmyra's, like screaming and
hollering.
I mean it was sad, but myra'sscreaming and hollering and
calling them murderers, girlshut.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
And I found in some sources that one of her arms,
one of Leslie Ann Downey's arms,was out of the grave.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Really.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
You know, with that kind of soil and everything,
though, it really looks like itshifts a lot.
You know, yeah, and I feel likeduring seasons and stuff it
would shift and it was kind ofmarshy yeah, swampy marshy,
whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Leslie's mother, ann West, had to identify her body.
Look at the photos and listento the tape recording.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
I'm not going to listen to any tape recording.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
It's not available, I wouldn't do that to you anyway.
I wouldn't do that to ouraudience, yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
This is horrible.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
But imagine, but we have played track from other
things.
But goodness gracious, but notof somebody's actual murder?

Speaker 1 (20:51):
No, but imagine a mother having to hear that,
having to hear her baby call forher, call for God.
I mean everything.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, begging Alan West, begging Alan West.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Leslie's stepfather says that he wished he had been
able to do the identification soAnn wouldn't have had to carry
that trauma.
But he wasn't a blood relativeso it had to be Ann.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Oh, so rough.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
I know.
So Ann was brought in for moreinterrogation.
They put all of Leslie'sclothing in front of him and let
him know that they had foundthese items with Leslie's body
buried at the moor.
They tell him that they alsofound the photos and tape
recording and Ian refuses tospeak until they got to playing

(21:43):
the tape and he was like I knowwhat's on there.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Already ready already .

Speaker 1 (21:49):
But they still made him listen.
So he admits to taking thepictures and that was indeed his
voice on the tape.
But he says that she left hishouse alive.
But it wasn't even his house,it was Gran's house, myra's,
whatever.
And he says that she wasbrought to him and taken away by
david smith and another man,now putting the blame on david

(22:14):
the brother-in-law no, yeah, theone that spilled the beans.
The one that spilled the beans?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that hehad, because he's very
intelligent.
I'm sure he had figured outthat that's who did it yeah,
he's trying to go back at him.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
That's the only person that could tie it back
together.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
So they do the same thing with Myra the clothes, the
photos, the tape recording, andall she says is I am ashamed.
So they do the same thing toDavid Smith, because now he's
been accused and David had neverheard this before, obviously,

(22:51):
and he is horrified and justweeping out of pure horror and
sorrow and hack up a dude, andnow there's more shit behind it,
right?

Speaker 2 (22:55):
and it's just unbelievable, ungodly stuff, oh
my god so the police were likeokay to be in his spot.
Fuck to be in his spot I hopethat that never happens.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
I mean, I know it happens all the time, but I just
I would hate for a person whohas no idea what they're going
into to have to listen tosomething like that.
I mean, he wasn't there but Iwould be traumatized for life
from just hearing something likethat.
Yeah, so police are like okay,we don't think he did it,
because he is showing genuineshock and horror.

(23:28):
And the other two not so much.
Ian and Myra are now chargedwith Edward Evans and Leslie and
Downey's murder.
Investigators look more intothe photos and detective Joe
Munsey, who had been on the JohnKilbride case.
Photos and detective Joe Munsey, who had been on the John
Kilbride case.
He takes a crime scenephotographer with him and
compared photos with the onewhere Myra is holding her dog

(23:53):
puppet.
He pushes a stick down into theground and when he pulled it
back out, the smell ofdecomposition is on the stick.
They dug the area and found JohnKilbride or his remains.
They brought one of John'sshoes to his family and the
family confirmed that it was his, and then John's mother had to

(24:16):
go identify his body.
She could tell from thefootball buttons on his coat
that it was him.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Oh, that's right.
You had said that in the firstpart of this.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Which football is soccer?
So, munzee, he puts together aphoto album with pictures of her
, of Myra and Ian and photos oftheir victims and shows it to
Myra, like he compiles it andmakes it like the victims'
photos are going to be like asurprise, like to see their

(24:46):
reaction, right.
So every time a photo of avictim would show up, she would
look away and eventually startedscreaming at them to get them
away from her.
And I'm like you know whatbitch you better look, because
their parents had to look atthese photos.
Their parents had to identify.

(25:07):
I mean, there wasn't evenbodies anymore.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
It was remained years of uncertainty and anguish and
your child missing and all that.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Take it in bitch, it's your turn well and he was
unfazed by the photos and thenstarted admitting to edward
evans murders.
And he admits to taking thephotos of Leslie but still
blames her murder on David andhis unnamed assailant.
While awaiting trial, myrasends her mom a letter

(25:34):
requesting better heels and asksher lawyer to request that her
hair can be retouched so she cancontinue her bleach blonde
looks because the press wasmaking comments about her dark
roots and that upset her.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Oh, she had to be all beautiful Roxy, roxy, this Roxy
Got me Bitch Roxy, I just yes.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Ladies and gentlemen, and any of, our fuck, I'm drunk
.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Welcome to the shit show here.
Any of our listeners, any ofour fans of musicals.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
We love musicals.
Sorry, he's, she's, they's andthem's.
Go watch Chicago if you haven'talready, and if you have, go
watch it again, because we dotime after time.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah, if I was there I'd be wanting to be done up
like Roxy too Shit.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
All right.
Well, this request was deniedat first, but it was later
allowed, oh yeah.
So initially Ian was chargedwith the murders and Myra was
charged with being an accessoryafter the fact, and their
preliminary hearings beganDecember 2nd 1965.

(27:11):
And they're protected by glassbarriers because I'm sure like
People was out to get them.
People was out for a bit.
That's been hitting the townfor three years now.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
No two, Two.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
About a year and a half yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Well, let's see, from 1963 to 1965 is when their
killings occurred.
So yeah, we're in 65 now.
Yeah, almost three.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, I was pretty close, good Good.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
And West.
While she was on the standthat's Leslie's mother she went
into hysterics and called Myra atramp and said I will.
And she said how can you lookat me when my innocent child is
dead because of you?
Myra and Ian, they were sittingbeside each other holding hands

(28:00):
and Myra just whispers.
I'm not a tramp, oh, and I mean, why was that allowed A
different time?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Having a sweet moment thereindsey.
Let them have their moment.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Fuck them, fuck them so, terry downing, who is
leslie's biological father, heand her uncle would attack a
police car that they thoughtmyra and ian was in and I mean
everybody in this community wasout for these monsters like yeah
they.
They were, because I meanthey're five victims now.

(28:36):
I mean, at this point theyactually only know about three.
But David Smith would getimmunity for his cooperation and
he took the stand on December8th.
Now we go all the way to April19th 1966, and that's when the
actual trial begins.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Pick up sticks.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, there was a lot of sticks there.
They were tried for JohnKilbride, edward Evans and
Leslie Ann Downey.
Pauline and Keith haven't evenbeen brought into the equation
yet.
Maureen testifies against Myra.
This was her sister, her bestfriend.
Like they were super close.
The show we were watchingportrays their closeness Right.

(29:19):
Other than Myra holding thebaby, she didn't have shit to do
with that baby.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah but the fan and the shit has already hit.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
It's everywhere.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
And so Maureen mentions in her testimony her
and Myra have been discussingLeslie's disappearance and Myra
says to her her mother must besuch a wreck.
And then laughs maniacally andthat always bothered Maureen.
I mean, could you imagine, yeah, your sister's like laughing
about this kid's disappearance.

(29:48):
She would also say that Myrahated children and didn't even
give a shit about her child,which was true.
Myra wrote her mother a letterbeing very upset about this,
very upset that Maureen has, youknow, turned against her and
unfortunately, david and Maureendid admit to getting money from

(30:10):
the press for their testimoniesand that made them look really
bad to the public, and alsoMaureen looked just like Myra,
but with dark hair Just like her.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
So it was a big fun money grab, wasn't it yeah?

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Well, and also that made the public hate Maureen
just by association.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
She looked like her.
There were separate trials foreach victim and during the trial
for John Kilbride, ian and Myrawere passing notes back and
forth to each other and laughing.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
How are they doing that shit?

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Exactly that's what I was just about to say.
What the fuck, why was thisallowed?

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah, it's not going to fly the 60s were wild man
that's why because?
That would not happen today.
It'd be like they wouldn't bein the same room.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
No yeah, here's my, my verdict and if they were,
they would be separated lindsey,you're looking pretty hot today
.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
What do you think about my tie?
Hey, you think, think, if weget out of this, we can go back
to the Moors.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Fucking hell.
That's probably what they werewriting.
Fucking hell.
So when Ian is on the stand forLeslie's murder, he said that
it was not him but David and afriend.
But he says I did put thehandkerchief in her mouth and a
scarf to cover her face justbefore the end.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
So it don't fucking matter.
Either way, dude, you're done.
So he fucked up, yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
And then he says after completion we all got
dressed, so now he's fucked uptwice, yeah.
And then you know they wentback downstairs and whatever.
And then you know they wentback downstairs and whatever.
So Myra showed no remorse whileshe was on the stand and even
stuck her tongue out at someone.
Like are you five?

(32:02):
What?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
the fuck.
You know, that was a biggesture though back in that day.
Yeah, you hear all the crazyhand gestures and stuff that are
like all outdated.
Now I don't know.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Go fly a kite and stuff, yeah go fly a kite, or
what was the other one?
No, go ride a bike.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, sweet fanny adams yeah, all that good stuff,
good stuff our uk listeners hitme up.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Am I correct in in my slang there?

Speaker 2 (32:30):
not at all, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
I don't know and even though she would later say that
Ian was manipulative andabusive and threatened her
family if she didn't go alongwith all this evil that they had
done.
On the stand she said I made myown decisions and Ian did not
make me do anything that Ididn't want to do.
So what Are you?
An abused, beaten down woman?

(32:52):
Are you a strong, independentwoman that makes your own
decisions?
Come on pick it.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Pick a side, but I'm both.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Pass me another letter and tell me I'm beautiful
myra would say that duringedward evans murder, that she
was in the kitchen and she heardthe screams and she just
covered her ears.
Who does that?
I heard screaming, screaming.
I'm coming running.
Yeah, even Gran tripped out.
Yeah, but they found bloodsplatter on her shoes and it was

(33:19):
on the outside, not on theinside, because she also said
that she had took off thoseshoes and they were just hanging
out in the living room, but itwas not if they had been off
their feet, off her feet, itwould have been on it it would
have been inside the shoe aswell, on the outside, but it was
only on the outside, yeah, yeah.
So, myra, just keep on lying.

(33:40):
It's not really working out foryou, but keep on going, girl
you have nothing to ride on.
The attorney general said didyou put your hands over your
ears when you heard a littlegirl of 10 scream?
Yeah when you heard a littlegirl of 10 scream yeah, and she
just says no, I didn't.
So on May 6, 1966.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Pick up sticks.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yes, ian was found guilty of all charges and Myra
was found guilty of Leslie andEdward Evans' murder and for
harboring a fugitive.
Because they couldn't pin herto John Kilbright they couldn't
pin her to that one, so theyjust pinned the harboring a
fugitive.
Because they couldn't pin herto John Kilbride they couldn't
pin her to that one, so theyjust pinned the harboring a
fugitive on that one.
They both get life in prisonbecause the death penalty had

(34:22):
actually been abolished inEngland, like four weeks before
their arrest, and I'm sure thecommunity did not like that?

Speaker 2 (34:31):
I'm sure not.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, because it was still hangings, wasn't it Back
in the 60s?
Death penalty, no Legend Show.
Legend Show was the same.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
I know France did guillotine up into the 70s oh
fuck, yeah, well, I actually didknow that and drawing quarters
and all kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
I want to mention more of it again.
They do a whole episode ondeath and torture throughout the
ages.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
And that was really intriguing.
They were doing some of thatshit into the 70s too.
The impaling.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
I could not fucking Okay, these are just wax figures
.
And I could not even look atthe impaling with my naked eye,
Like I could not focus on it toolong because it went through
the woman's stuff Her privates,Until it come out All the way
into ugh.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Wherever it comes out .
Ugh, that's tough, but likewhen you're in older yeah, that
whole experience gave me theheavies.
Older parts of the world, likewhere a lot of that medieval
stuff really happened, likethat's common knowledge.
You know every bit of thatwhole museum that we've seen in
saint augustine.
That's all common knowledge.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Like the breaking of the wheel and oh, I know, but
it's just like looking at it isa whole different yeah, that's a
good little video that we puton everything.
Yeah, yeah, if you want tocheck that out, check it out,
guys yeah, I tried to includethe audio that was on uh in the
the museum as we as you wentalong and it was rough.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, it was rough yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
So Ian went to Durham prison and Myra went to
Halloway.
So Myra went straight intosolitary confinement for a bit,
but when she got put into GenPop she was attacked by like 10
inmates that had invited her toa card game.
She then had to have a guardwalk with her like everywhere
for a while.
She filed an appeal saying thatbeing tried next to Ian had

(36:20):
hurt her chances of having afair trial.
Walk with me and help.
Oh yeah, Well, that was denied.
Ian was also attacked and hadto have a guard with him at all
times, but he spent most of histime in solitaire.
Ian would go on many, manyhunger strikes to try and end

(36:40):
his life.
He was like I don't want tohang out here, but we'll get
there.
He hangs out there a long time.
One was for, I know, for 28days, One was for 52 days and
then one was for 72 days.
One was for 52 days and thenone was for 72 days and they
would end up force feeding himby like putting like a block in
his mouth and just like shovingthe food down there to where he

(37:01):
would have to swallow becausehis mouth would open.
I'm surprised he didn't justtry it.
I'm surprised he didn't justtry to choke on the food.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
I mean, they wanted death.
They just really was like.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Well, he did, ian did .

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, myra turns the tables, we'll get there.
She thinks that she can stealRoxy on the way out.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
She didn't have no Billy Flynn getting her out.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
No, flynn, inconceivable.
We want Billy, so Ian and Myrawould correspond, often writing
in code about their murders andtalk about their love for each
other, when you were talkingabout them doing whistles and

(37:42):
stuff of songs that remind themof shit.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Dude, this is I played them for you, so sick,
yeah, and then I couldn't eventake a shower and you're playing
that shit while I'm trying towash my ball back.
Jesse's like put on some tunesand I'm like okay.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Thank you, Lindsay.
Son of a bitch Dude, that washorrific.
And then you tie it all backtogether over here to me and
you're just like I got you again, motherfucker, I got you again.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
So meanwhile, david and maureen are harassed daily
because the public still thinksthat david was involved in the
murders and and that's becauseme and me and ian and myra I
can't their names like- me andira me and an ira.
So ian and myra both say that heis like they're.
They're sticking to that story.
Well, maureen gets pregnantagain and at one point they were

(38:38):
baby shopping and she gets spiton by somebody.
They actually end up havingthree sons together total.
That do survive.
Remember their first babypassed away.
Later on, david gets to abreaking point and he actually
stabs the man for calling him achild killer and he goes to
prison for this for about threeyears.
The man did survive, so hedidn't go to his prison for

(39:00):
murder.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
It was just like yeah , but everything's all built up
to a bunch of bullshit thatthey're spreading.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Right, and I mean and David did the right thing, he
brought them down, or thesefuckers would have still been
killing.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
They would have been up to 15 or so.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, I mean cause they were.
There was no connectionswhatsoever.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
We're planting a garden in the moors Right
Fucking hell.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
So while in prison, uh, marine has an affair and she
writes to David and tells himthat it's over and David tries
to slit his wrist, but he doessurvive.
Maureen ends up being a shitmother, like an absolute,
terrible, terrible mother.
She leaves all of her childrenunder the age of six at home

(39:45):
alone while she goes out and shestarves them and ends up losing
all three boys.
When David gets out of prison,he works hard and he gets a home
and he remarries and gets allhis boys back.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Look at that the men be doing the work.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
But he did end up euthanizing his father in 1972.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Never mind, I'll take that back.
Well, I mean, he did rob him ofkids, yeah but he only spent
two days in jail for that that'sa mess, yeah, and it's all
brought upon, you know like Isaid, he wasn't that great, but
he wasn't he's broken.
You know he's broken.
Yeah, he tried for the child.
Yeah, now he's being accused ofsomething he didn't do,

(40:29):
something that he he actuallystopped from being done and
being attacked to the pointwhere he attacks back and yeah,
what a fucked up mess.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
So, myra, she manipulates this Lord Longford
guy who would take on cases forprison reform.
Myra at first wants this guy.
Well, she brings him in, shegets him under her spell and she
talks him into trying to getconjugal visits with ian.

(40:59):
Oh yeah, and after he meets herhe likes her.
But after meeting ian he reallythinks that myra was definitely
overpowered and just broughtinto his dark lifestyle.
But he does not think thatconjugal visits were a wise
decision and Myra ends up hatinghim after that.
So then, myra, she startshaving relationships with other

(41:23):
women around three years intoher sentence and breaks things
off with Ian.
Yeah, she claims that Ianthreatened to kill himself over
this, but ian was actually likewhatever, and says she flatters
herself yeah, because I'm surehe's got him a few bros in

(41:47):
prison.
Oh, I'm sure, yeah, he wasalready way more on the
homosexual side than the bi side, and definitely was, I think.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
That was getting him rocks off.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah, Well, it's hard to.
I think there was love and helater on says that there was
definitely love between him andMyra, but I think that was just
because he knew that he could Idon't want to say manipulate,
but he could easily bring her into the dark side.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
To whatever he wanted .
He knew that she was obsessedwith him Because she was so
infatuated with him.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Yeah, and it doesn't take a lot of manipulation when
you know somebody is alreadythat head over heels for you.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah, got him.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
So Myra ends up changing her name to Myra
Spencer and she gets back on thereligion train and she actually
gets special treatment inprison.
She gets some female guards andeven the warden under her spell
and she gets to go on likewalks and stuff with the warden
Like they're buds, that's nice.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yes, that's nice.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
And I finally made the warden my friend, yeah,
bringing it back.
But we were listening to thatshit last weekend weren't we, oh
Red.
Oh Red, come on somebody.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Why don't you?

Speaker 1 (43:01):
run, oh Red, it's just have a little fun.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Can I get real low on here?
Have a little fun?
I can't do it.
I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Well.
Blake doesn't go that low.
But yeah, george, george does.
George is better than Blake, weargue.
I don't care, I love BlakeShelton's version Old Red.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
George, all day long, fuck Blake Shelton.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
No, how dare you George?

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Jones, the Possum has Old Red on lock.
It's way better.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
I know it was his song.
I know that, but Blake Sheltondoes it justice, not better.
Can I say justice?

Speaker 2 (43:37):
As long as I have a mic in front of me, not better.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Okay, so one guard, myra is having relations with,
actually helps her with anescape plan, and their meetings
for their relations was actuallyin the prison chapel.
Myra gonna have relations.
Myra gonna have relations.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Myra gonna have relations.
Myra gonna have relations.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
So this guard's name was Pat Carnes and she ends up
receiving five years for tryingto help Myra escape.
Myra gets another year tackedon to her like five life
sentences, so it's whatever, butshe still gets a private cell,
a TV in there and she's stilltreated like prison royalty.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
In the 70s.
That's good.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, and she somehow gets the role of Mary in a
Christmas play at the prison.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Mary, I had to pause for the cause.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
He's laughing at the plant y'all.
My plant is like what, sir?

Speaker 2 (44:45):
I can't even I can't even Hang on.
I hit the mic.
Hang on how?

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Yeah, oh, mary, hit the mic, hang on, how, yeah, oh,
mary, mary, did you know, tellyour mother not to cry no more.
So ian at one point the fuckthey killed all these people.
M Mary, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Leave me alone.
Lindsay, Could you imagine howJesus felt?
Jesus did not like that.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
No, that's something that Jesus would not do.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
He took the wheel and well, never mind, y'all keep
driving this shit off the cliff.
Calm down there, lindsay.
Calm down there, are you okay?
That's a hell of a fuckingnativity scene right there, man.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Literally Jesus, jfc.
Okay, jfc, jfc.
So, ian, at one point he startstranscribing books into braille
for blind children, childrenthat's some fucking top-level
shit.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
But he's doing children's books now into
braille for blind children,children that's some fucking
top-level shit.
But he's doing children's booksnow.
See, we got.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Mother Mary and Dr Seuss, what the fuck.
So he starts to mentor youngthieves in prison?
Okay, and he would give themimprints of his fingerprints on
cellophane to leave at crimescenes.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
So investigators would be puzzled as to how this
would have cellophane.
Oh my.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
God, so many Chicago references here.
I know I love it.
Should have been my name.
Oh my God, I love it.
Let's watch.
Chicago while we go to sleep?
Yeah, okay.
So I mean, could you imagine,though, like you're
investigating a crime scene andian brady has been in prison for
like 10 years at this point andhis fingerprints are there just

(46:47):
?

Speaker 2 (46:49):
I'm just like, what the fuck are these people doing?
Like I guess this is their wayof giving back, I guess I don't
know.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Giving back.
Fuck that so in night, thedelusion is what they're giving
back to.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Yeah, I mean, come on , they should not be breathing
anymore, but still.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
So in 1976, a newspaper uh, I think it was the
sun over there, like there's,there's suns everywhere.
I think it was their version,manchester's version of the sun
they did an article on the10-year anniversary on ian and
myra's crimes, and inmates readthis newspaper and the attacks
they start up again becausethese are new inmates.

(47:28):
You know, you got new.
And yeah.
So one woman, like she beat theshit.
I think her name was Josie.
She beat the shit out of MyraLike to where she had to eat out
of a feeding tube for a while.
Like attacked her ass afterreading the horrific things that
Myra Henley did.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
To them poor ass kids , man Just so.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
So Myra, she makes a lot of appeals and she would get
denied over and over.
And Ian, he was like I'm nevergoing to appeal, I accept my
fate.
This is where I'm going to die,I know.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
You're dead.
To rights, I mean your hand'sdown.
There's nothing.
Nobody else can conclude that.
There's nobody else.
There's nothing, you're done.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
So early 1985, I think this was like January.
Ian hints that this is a longtime.
This is almost 20 years later.
This is 20 years later.
Ian hints that he and Myra wereinvolved in Pauline Reed and
Keith Bennett's murders.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
So he's going to bring those up too, so they can
find them At least.
Give them Well, it no yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
So Myra, she denies this at first.
And Keith's mother?
She writes Myra a letterbecause her son has not been
found after all these years andshe has no idea what had
happened to him and she begsMyra to come clean.
Give me some closure, tell methe truth, come on, girl.
Mother you know or not?

(48:57):
Mother to mother, because Myra,thank God, is not a mother, but
woman to woman, myra.
She doesn't respond directly toKeith's mother, but she
releases a statement basicallypinning everything on Ian.
But she has agreed to helppolice find keith's remains, in
response saying uh, girl, I gotall them letters that you wrote

(49:19):
to me in our early years inprison, so you better shut the
fuck up.
But she doesn't, and likethat's me paraphrasing.
But uh, so the moors weresearched and myra did quote try
to help them, unquote,no-transcript.

(49:41):
And Ian went as well atseparate times, but neither one
of them actually helped and Myradoes end up confessing to be
involved in these murders in1987.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Yeah, pauline's body was finally found after 22 years
and her mother, joan, was in apsych hospital when she found
out, because, remember Imentioned in part one that she
had had a mental breakdown.
Yeah, yeah, but now she finallyhad some closure.
Keith's body has never beenfound, never.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Come on man.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
It's reported that Leslie Ann Downey's grave had
been desecrated by Myra Henleysupporters.
She had supporters and theydesecrated an innocent child's
grave.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
And she was telling them where it was.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
No, Leslie they had already found.
She was tried for Leslie'smurder.
Her supporters, who think thatshe was manipulated and abused
by Ian, desecrated the grave ofan innocent fucking child.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Again afterwards, went back out there and fucked
with it.
Just because they were tryingto support her, they moved her,
that's disgusting.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
They dug those remains up.
Her mom had to identify it, andthen her parents put her in a
relocated grave they desecrated,relocated, grave.
Exactly See, I was thinking ofthe.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Moore's spot, they didn, and her parents put her in
a the relocated grave theydesecrated.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
The relocated grave.
Oh okay, exactly See, I wasthinking of the Moores spot.
No, no, no, they didn't leavethem yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah, you really can't call that a grave.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
No, that's not an burial in any means.
That's the murder spot.
That's the murder spot.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Okay, I'm learning.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
I'm.
This ruined Ann West who wasLeslie's mother.
It ruined her life and shebecame insanely protective over
her surviving children as aresult and had to fight
constantly for Myra to stay inprison, because Myra was
appealing all the time and atevery appeal hearing she had to
relive all of it.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
That's like a 20-year fucking freight train.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
It ended up being like 30 years, 20 year fucking
freight train.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
It was more than it ended up being like 30 years of
just constant anguish and regretand every situation you thought
you could do better for yourchild where they wouldn't have
been in that situation, you know.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
So she and wrote a book called for the love of
Leslie, telling what she and herfamily had gone through, and I
tried to find it on audio bookand it's not there.
But I do want to buy it and Iwant to read that just in honor
of Leslie.
Like I did read a few, or I didlisten to a couple of audio
books on this whole case of itwas people that Myra and Ian had

(52:20):
talked to and then they wrotebooks.
Documentaries were actually alittle bit more informative
because you get two differentsides of the story.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Right.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
And they've also done their deep research and put it
all together for everybody.
And I mean I don't know whatcaused her liver cancer, but I
mean I'm just assuming she hadto probably drink to live with,
because I would, I would, yeah,I would probably have to drink
daily just to be able to livewith what happened to my child

(53:00):
and then live with the fact thatthere's this bitch in prison
that keeps trying to get out.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Well, you and I, though, we're a bigger support
system.
I don't think we would letourselves sink into that.
I mean, we'll have our littlegetaways and things, but we
wouldn't let ourselves sink intothat.
I just don't know.
I wouldn't.
I wouldn't let you do it.
Not to succumb to thealcoholism, not at all.
No.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Well, when she passed away, uh, she requested to be
buried next to leslie in anundisclosed location.
So leslie was exhumed again dueto the disrespect on her burial
site, and now they are next toeach other but nobody knows
where it's at, because fuck thepublic yeah and fuck myra
supporters.
Fuck you that's horrible yeahso myra continued to appeal into
the 2000s.

(53:48):
This shit happened in the 60swouldn't hang it up, just
wouldn't fucking hang it up andian even spoke out against one
appeal, basically saying thatwhen they were together,
everything was done as a unit.
And now, over many years, sincethey had parted ways, she's
tried to make it all his fault,but that was definitely not the

(54:09):
case.
She had just as muchinvolvement as he did and he
stuck to that and he's a pieceof shit and I fucking hate him.
But he's pretty much other thantrying to pin it on david, but
he's been honest.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Yeah.
You know, Well, there's no wayDavid could get it pinned on him
either.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
I mean, To an extent they could have given Keith's
mother some closure and let theyknow where that baby was buried
.
They know where that baby wasburied.
So, myra, she would have many,many ailments in prison.
Yes, yes, girl, she would havea heart attack, a stroke,

(54:50):
cerebral aneurysm, irritablebowel syndrome, osteoporosis,
high blood pressure, highcholesterol, depression,
arthritis, asthma and a brokenfemur, and after suffering from
bronchial pneumonia for twoweeks, she died in 2002 at 60
years old.
Bye-bye bitch, bye-bye bitch,rot in hell.

(55:14):
Yeah, I don't even want her togo to hell, like, I want her to
go somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Somewhere worse.
Somewhere worse.
If there is a worse, go there.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Go there.
Go there and hang out the hellfor fucking child murderers.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Get you some conjugal visits down there.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Yes, 20 Undertakers refused to handle her body,
refused 20.
That's a lot.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Good for them.
Yes, good for them.
I wouldn't want to touch thatshit either.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
I wouldn't want that on me, no.
So she ended up being fedthrough a feeding tube.
Now, because we've got feedingtubes, I'm going hungry and I'm
going hungry.
That was terrible.
Sorry, no, that was beautiful,but he ends up getting lung

(56:03):
cancer and he died in 2017.
Damn, 2017.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Them old hard asses live hard.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
At 79 years old 79.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Old bastard Gone.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
I didn't play you this one, I almost did.
But there is a song by theSmiths called Suffer Little
Children that was written aboutthese murders.
I've listened to it.
Oh damn, it's hard.
It's somber as hell too.
And there's a miniseries thatwe talked about a couple of
times already, called See noEvil the Moores Murders, because

(56:40):
there's another, see no Evil,so you have to type in See no
Evil, the Moores Murders, andthen there's a movie called the
Moores Murders.
And then there's a movie calledthe Moores Murders Code, a
documentary called Henley andBrady Possession, and another
documentary called MooresMurders on BBC Select, and

(57:00):
there's a lot of mini docs onYouTube that I watched as well.
And that concludes ourthree-part journey of the
Monsters of the Moors.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Lindsay, this has been one hell of an adventure
that I would never want to be on.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
No, we're done with these fuckers.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
I'm done, we're not coming back.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
We've got to go on to the next fuckers next week.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
We've got to move on.
Yeah, but goodness.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
I think the next fuckers may be worse.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Do not say that.
You say that every time and itis.
It has been really tough,really tough for me.
We've laughed, we've cried.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
We've cried.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
We have definitely been horrified.
That should be our slogan.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Yes, we've laughed.
We've laughed, we've cried,we've been horrified.
We've been horrified, that's it.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Well, we've cried, we've been horrified, that's it.
I guess I can do this.
Is it time?

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Do not give me applause for this shit.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
I got you Do a boo, you'll get one anyhow.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Can we have a boo soundtrack?
You did a great job, Lindsay.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Thank you so much for fucking me up again.
It has just been.
Don't give yourself applause.
Okay, go ahead.
Go ahead with your big hand.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
I'm giving myself applause for fucking you up.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Yeah, okay, well, I guess that's good.
Can I play music yet?
Are we going to elaborate moreon this?
No, I think we've already we'redone, we're done, we're done,
we're done, we.
I think we've already, we'redone.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
We're done.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
We're done, we're done, we're done, okay.
Well, I'm going to a band thatI found from Russia.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Is that the band we're plugging today?

Speaker 2 (58:35):
That's the band we're plugging Ape on the Rocket.
I've been talking about themfor weeks now.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Yeah, I am excited he's been ready.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Because it's going to so up your alley and they're
looking for tours.
They're wanting to get out.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
They're looking for a .
What did you say?

Speaker 2 (58:54):
I wrote it down tour manager and a record deal.
Yeah, a record deal.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
They need a record deal that was the sound of my
papers falling everywhere.
So and their call, and they'refrom.
What did we say?
We just looked it up.
What the fuck.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Kalininsburg, Kalininsburg Russia.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Which used to be.
They're from this place inRussia.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
They're from this whole other place.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
This whole other country.
Oh, I got to pull itKaliningrad, yeah, kaliningrad.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Kaliningrad, because yeah, kaliningrad, I've been
reaching out and I found somecool bands and I definitely want
to give them props.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
These guys are amazing, and it used to be.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Königsberg yeah that, yeah, we're horrible Ape on the
Rocket.
Do not hate us.
No, we love you.
Thank you so much for sharingyour music.
Lindsay doesn't know yet and Idon't know yet, but I'm already
thanking you in advance.
I am in slap love with you guys.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Oh, I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
I really want to just support everything globally.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
And that's what I'm here for.
I'm here to find bands, digthem up, let y'all hear them,
and check them out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Do not dig them up from the Moors.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
No, they're not from the Moors, they're from Russia.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
I mean, if there's a band in Manchester, we will play
you.
Yeah, so send us your stuff,ian, and and and my globally.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
anybody send me your music and we want to play it.
Drink about something, Not site.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Yes, follow us on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Gmail.
Yeah, follow us on YouTube.
Kind of play some good-assfucking, heavy-ass fucking rock.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
And any platform that you listen to.
Give us a review.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
That way we can get into the algorithm.
You will really be supportingthe show if you give us a review
.
What about now?
Okay, yes, you can.
Can I play?

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
it now.
I can play it now.
Yes, I can do it.
Yes, this song's calledFollower Ape on the fucking
rocket.
Let's do this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
I'm sorry.
This was done for us.
We're not in hell and bread.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
You promised us a will of fire, just for you.
I'm not a demon.

(01:01:33):
I got a present, even if youcome in and start a war.
You promised us a will of firejust for you.
Hey, class of face.
Allow me to show it to you,gentlemen.
Pain has a face.
Allow me to show it to you,gentlemen.

(01:02:00):
I am pain.
I'm crawling up the stairs likeDandy Ray Mumbos.
I'm at my bed.
It's like a fantasy.
I'm walking in the door.
You're watching the last dream.
You'll be begin your eyesObserving their fears, but

(01:02:46):
you're just a part of the samestory, like the one I wished for
.
I'm hiding in the walls, wipingrecords from the walls, wiping
my memory.
I'm changing myself.
I'm a better person.
The goal is punishment.
I've been looking for you everyday.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
I thought you wouldn't find me, but now I
don't understand.
How did it turn out?
I'm not a fan of the old-school, but I'm not a blow your soul
away.
I'm teleporting to your floorand I'm going to burn you.

(01:03:37):
Yeah, maybe you don't have tobe honest.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Lindsay, Lindsay, Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Oh my god, I didn't want it to end.
I need more.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
I need more right now I bet.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Oh that, right there, that's my shit.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
I don't know what they were saying, but I fucking
love it I have no clue, but Ilove it.
So translation of that wholesong is badassery.
That's the translation, that iswhat it is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
And a couple of bleh and some bleh.
So many blehs and bleh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
It's so good.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Oh, I love you guys already.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Ape on the rocket, so check them out and send follow.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
We just followed you guys on Instagram and I will be
tagging you on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Friday Give them some love from over here, some love
from so much.
I'm going to send this to Alex.
Fuck, alex already knows thisband.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Oh, I'm sure they're probably bros they got to be?

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Yeah, I hope so.
They should be.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Yes, we're talking about Alex the Terrible.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
I'm going to send it to Alex.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
I'm going to be like If you hear that in the
background, that's our kidsinging in the shower.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
He didn't get to hear Ape on the Rocket.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
He's not allowed to hear what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
No, but this was a fabulous journey and I think we
closed it with somethingfabulous, fabulous.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
I mean top notch.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
It was very, very good.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Top notch.
They call their genreprogressive metalcore.
Yeah, and that's what it is.
Yes, progressive metalcore.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Yeah, and that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Loved it, love it.
I'm going to check out thewhole.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Whole catalog.
Well, let's listen to them onthe way to Spookala.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Yeah, yes, yeah, we're finally getting to go.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Yes, finally.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Finally getting to go .
We've been talking about it fora while now, so I'm ready.
I'm ready.
I'm ready, I'm ready Ape on therocket though Ape on the rocket
, though Ape on the rocket,though Really awesome.
And we'll see you guys nextFriday with a new bombshell that
Lindsay's going to drop on me.
So, you guys, strap in, followus and share the stuff.

(01:06:22):
Follow, share, like, love,review, review, hit us up.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
yeah, send us a case that you want to you want to
hear us.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Yeah, we got some cool ass guests coming.
We got them lined up somethingto do with some really cool
native american stuff too, ifthat lined up yeah, we, uh, we
finished yellowstone.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
We're in the middle of 1923 and we finished 1883.
And boy, let me tell you what Idid'm not going to say I didn't
like the way 1883 ended, butripped out my heart and just
threw it in the dirt and stompedon it that was tough and gave
it back to me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Lindsay's kind of on that thing too, and I'm talking
about the missing and murdered.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Native American women and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
That's a big thing here in North America.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
There's cases galore.
We need to share that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
And we're going to talk about that, and that ties
in with a movie that you canfind on Apple right now.
So we'll talk about that lateron, but you guys have a great
weekend.
We'll see you guys next Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Yes, we love you and bye.