EPISODE 28: Evil Ken and Barbie PART 2

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Jesse.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Hey Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (00:03):
That was so.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hello Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Okay, that was overwhelming.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Which one's better?
You need a happy medium there.
No, we're good, we're're good,we don't need to do that.
Can we do it?

Speaker 1 (00:27):
no, what are you drinking today?

Speaker 2 (00:28):
I want to redo it.
No, okay, you're good, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yes, okay what are you drinking today?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
I have some rum some rum.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
What flavor rum?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
rum and rum and rum and rum and rum and pineapple
yeah, pineapple.
Pineapple rum and some Celsius.
It's good, very good.
What are you drinking overthere, lindsay?

Speaker 1 (00:51):
I am.
So Vista Bay, once again VistaBay, but they had the punch
flavor and I'm drinking a berrypunch.
Vista Bay, hard seltzer.
It's very good.
Yes, 100 calories, it's verygood.
Two grams of carb.
You should try it, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
DeBay hard seltzer, it's very good.
Yes, 100 calories.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
It's very good.
Two grams of carb.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
You should try it.
It's very good.
It's very good, it's crisp.
So what are we drinking abouttoday, lindsay?

Speaker 1 (01:14):
So we're going to continue on our two-part series
with part two about PaulBernardo and Carla Homolka.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
So this is two parts, and then it's part two.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Parts of parts and parts and rec.
We're wrecking the parts.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Well, I just wrapped up parts and rec for like the
10th time and now I'm on to theOffice again.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
That's my oh yeah, we did.
Yeah, See, now she puts thatshit on and I'm like halfway
going to sleep?
Yeah, that's going to sleep,she's like, let me put on Parks
and Rec.
It's nap time, our bedtime.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Because the shows that we watch together at night.
You need a palate cleanserafter, because we've watched
Yellowstone 1883, 1923.
Now we're on the Last of Us.
Oh, and then the Handmaid'sTale.
You need palate cleansers afterall that shit.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
The Last of Us has really got us fucking fired up.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Like each episode, we're only on episode five and
every episode is like a minimovie.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
They are so well and it's a build up.
Each one is like its owndifferent build up.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Hell, even Ron Swanson was in one of them.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I loved it.
That's been my favorite episodeso far.
Yeah, because the one wewatched what's his real name.
Nick Offerman.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Nick Offerman.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yes, love him, don't off over me.
Who is married to anotherfavorite star of mine, who's
making an appearance in theRighteous Gemstones this season.
That we've been watching tooMegan Mullally yes.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
We had a little segment there today with
ourselves that nobody else knew.
We listened to a lot of thesongs.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
All the songs.
If you're watching RighteousGems, you know that we were
jamming to.
Don't Go Misbehavin'.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
There Will Come a Payday.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
And Uncle Baby Billy's Bible Bonkers, or is it
just Baby Billy's Bible Bonkers?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:57):
All of it.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Listen.
When I first started watchingthat and they called him Uncle
Baby, I just fell the fuck out.
I don't know why that's unclebaby.
Anybody in the bible belt isfilled.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
They felt that, yes, you know, it's anybody that grew
up in a mega church or any kindof church, really, yeah, or if
you had that family that watchedand worshipped all the shit on
tv, all the tale evangelistsyeah righteous gemstones is the
show for you, because it ishilarious yeah and it is
clowning on all that shit andyou know some shit like that
really does go on oh, it does,absolutely.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, I remember I actually found that show because
somebody shared it and said Iwon't say the name of the church
.
But they said I bet this is howI won't say the name of the
church.
But they said I bet this is howinsert name of local church of
ours is ran.
Oh, did we talk about them onetime?

Speaker 2 (03:52):
No, no, no, no, we didn't talk about this church we
talked about the meat ministry,but we did talk about a cult
around us one time, yes, andthey want us to come.
There was this woman that has ahouse and she's like.
I got the table that they allused to sit at and talk.
You should do a podcast on thetable like a part two, and I
love it.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
But I don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, we don't know, there might be some bad energy
in that table.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
We might have to bring some sage with us.
That's why I don't really wantto go.
I don't really want to go aboutthe table man, but she's a
listener, right?
So thank you for that, andthank you for checking us out.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Thank you for sharing that with us, though and we, we
do want to hang out but I do, Iactually.
Uh, I think you should get ridof that table the table needs
some sage and, yes, sage it orburn it, just engulfing in
flames.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Burn it in sage.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, in a pit of sage.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yes, but we're excited we're going to do this
part two, and happy Friday.
I'm just not ready.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
No, I'm not either.
Really I'm not ready.
Uncle Baby by the Bonkers.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Don't go misbehaving.
Yeah, we just ate the biggestpizza that you can find in our
town.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Oh my God, I'm so full, I'm uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
And I am, I am so full, I'm uncomfortable, and I
am, I am so stuffed right now.
Yeah, but you know, hey, yougot to do it every once in a
while, right?
Yeah, it's really good.
It's New York style pizza.
So anybody listening, you know,go to Pizza Boy, yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
I'm going to have to sleep with eye patches under my
eyes so I don't wake up withswollen eyes.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
I'm going to have to eat two more heartburn pills.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Probably.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Thank you, pizza Boy, and we also have to go to the
store and get more Prilosec.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Now, this episode will air after Easter is over,
but it is Easter weekend andwe're celebrating Easter by
wearing our Steel Magnoliashirts.
We just watched Steel Magnolia.
That is our Easter movie.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
You know, we should take a picture of our shirts and
put it up there.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
We should, but we're bloated right now, so we'll wait
.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
We'll wait, we'll do it after we're done talking.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Our tummies are protruding, yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
No, like Easter really makes me think of Steel
Magnolias.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Because it begins and ends at Easter time.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
That was a big grab for Lindsay as far as being
attracted to me whenever I waslike I like Steel Magnolias and
you're like holy shit, I likethis man.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
We watch it twice a year.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, you thought you were like okay, he just gained
like five cool points when Isaid that you know, I don't even
like Steel Magnolias.
I just said that so I can getwith you.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Boy, you better hush, because the way you cry over
that shit the way.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
No, for real, I'm low steve tell us what you're.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
If you, if you are a young person listening and do
not know what we're talkingabout, please go watch still
magnolias.
It's on max right now.
Um, I think it's on max.
Pretty much every time we'vewatched it in the last few years
it's on max, uh, but it is anamazing, amazing movie.
It's got some great actors init as.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
As an older doodly dude, I came across Still
Magnolias on my own.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Is that doodly of me?
Or is that just cool points forchicks?
It don't fucking matter, Idon't know what it is, don't put
a stigma on anything.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
If you like Still Magnolias, you'll like it.
It's whatever.
It's a great for me because Iget to watch them I like your
hair and your clothes a lot tooyes, you do, you want to wear
them.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
I do well.
I mean, maybe he's like I loveyour pants.
I want them maybe I'm revealingtoo much over here, huh he
wants to wear my fishnet I thinkit's cool.
Points like I'm just likewell-rounded in that way.
I I've always, you know, I'vealways enjoyed more female
friends than male friends,because I can just talk shit
about stuff and I don't know,like the whole feng shui that

(07:53):
women have you know, hey, Ithink we're all just a little
gay, so it's whatever so you're?
you just said that I'm a littlegay.
I think everybody is.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
I think everybody's got a little gay in them, and
that's okay, it's whatever.
So you just said that I'm alittle gay.
I think everybody is.
I think everybody's got alittle gay in them, and that's
okay, it's wonderful.
And if you deny it, you'restupid.
I'm just kidding.
I love you, but I mean I justreally do think that.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
I'm not attracted to men anyway.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Everybody's.
I mean that, doesn't.
You know what I mean?
You want to wear my clothes.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
I did point out that this dude had some cake when we
were in saint august he did acouple weeks ago.
It wasn't a lie, yeah he hadcake, but I'm trying to wrap my
head around this.
But no, you dropped the bomb onme.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
No, you dropped the bomb on me here oh my god, let's
get back to the show, okay.
So if you're new here, what wedo is we have a drink and we
talk about true crime and at theend of the episode we plug a
band that we're digging and thatwe think you should listen to
as well and appreciate whatthey're putting out into the

(08:53):
world I want to say thank you toall the bands and all the great
feedback that's coming oh yeah,it's been great.
You know it's been that hasbeen phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Thank you guys for making your art and your music
and letting me share it and us,because I reach out, I'm like
dude, I am a music whore.
So, I'm looking out for bandsI'm like dude.
I love your music.
I want to play it on thepodcast and they're like hell,
yeah, dude, and it'sreciprocating.
It's really good.
Love it, thank you.
So one question before we getstarted, jesse, what made you

(09:26):
feel lonely this week?
You hit me with this everysingle week and I dread it.
You know the reason why I dreadit so much, lindsay is because
I have to pull something upevery single week.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
That you weren't really paying attention to, and
now you're paying attention toit.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Well, you try to disassociate what the hell's
really going on in yourelderness and I don't want to
hang on to it.
But this week I had to get onto somebody at my work this week
, Mm-hmm, and stepping into thatposition kind of made me feel
old.
It's like I guess I'm the olderfigure, the leadership figure,

(10:03):
that I didn't think I would everget to and had to take on that
responsibility.
It kind of made me feel old.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Oh yeah, I've been Like in a workplace.
I go through that all the timeat my job.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Being in a workplace for so long, and then you're
just like, well, you know it'snot, and I tried to make it to
where it's like I'm not reallygetting on to you, but at the
same time you kind of need alittle adjustment, you know type
thing, because we don't want tolose employees, especially this
economy and this market forpeople that actually work as
employees.
You get on to them too much.

(10:34):
They're just like deuces man.
Bye.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
So I don't want to retrain and I don't want to redo
and all that stuff because I'mold whereas like when we were,
you know, getting into theworkplace as youngins and we
would get feedback to where itwas negative or would make us
feel bad.
We would want to do better, wewouldn't just want to quit he
did and we okay he did.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, it actually turned into a good thing and
yeah it's like it's.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
I mean, I think it honestly just depends on the
person.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Being able to navigate around that
conversation.
And then you're like you know,hey, this is an A B type area.
I want it to be A's and B's,You're doing C's and D's, and if
it ever gets to an F, we'regoing to have to let you go.
That's how I put it.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Right.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
If that makes sense, and he was like dude.
I want this to be an A.
After this conversation I'vehad some problems and some
issues and I've let this go.
I want to get this back to an A, not even a B.
So the motivation it turned outgood.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
That's good, yeah, awesome.
I'm glad that worked out.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
So that made me feel old.
What about you there, Lindsay?

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Well, my third child is turning 20 tomorrow, that is
right.
My third child is turning 20tomorrow, right?
My third child is turning 20tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yes, yeah, you got some older ass kids too, and
grandkids.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
You got grandkids too ?
Yeah, I do, because of me.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
I love them.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yes, you do I love them.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
We had such a cute time.
Yeah, she comes waddling thereand she's becoming my favorite
so fast.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
The grand, she is number three.
Yeah, she come waddling thereand she's she's becoming my
favorite so fast.
The grand, the, the, the, sheis number three.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, she's come waddling in there late, late at
night.
Lindsey's over there asleepwith her mouth open and the
whole thing like I startedconversating and I started
saying yeah, that's g maul,that's g maul, weezer yeah, he's
trying to make me a weezerboudreaux from still magnolias,
because we're talking about witheaster coming up, I was just

(12:27):
like it was already in my heartand I was like you know, we're
gonna watch some still magnolias.
So I started associating gmaulwith weezer.
Yeah I'm gonna slap you for thatto our granddaughter that was
fun I didn't do it too muchthough, like I didn't.
Like I didn't try to get her toslap her or nothing, no, I was
just.
It was just a couple of cutelittle little little plugs there
for that.

(12:48):
Yeah, it was just for.
It was mainly for lindsey, like15 this morning okay grandma.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Grandma weezer said that I'm like shut up not that
our baby has any idea.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
He's all like oh hell weezer.
So yeah, we we're still on,still magnolias, but I'm gonna
let you do your podcast overhere now.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, because it's gonna get rough.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
It's gonna get rough.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
All right.
So last week we talked aboutthe background of Paul and Carla
, paul's sadistic sexualbehavior and fantasies Paul
being the Scarborough rapist.
Fantasies Paul being theScarborough rapist and Carla
giving up her sister's virginityto Paul on video and fatally
overdosing Tammy with a mixtureof alcohol, halcyon and

(13:33):
halothane.
While Tammy had been passed outon the lethal cocktail, paul
had raped her vaginally andanally.
Carla also violated her as well, making Paul's sick fantasy
come true.
The family is at home with Pauland Carla and they get the call
from the hospital that Tammy isdead on arrival.

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Now Paul whether it wastheatrical or genuine is crying,
banging his head, pulling hishair and screaming why, you know
, just doing the whole thing.
And it could have been genuine,and I'll get into that a little
more later.
I don't think that heintentionally wanted her.

(14:14):
He wanted to keep doing what hewas doing.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
He thought that that was just another little side
thing that he could do, whichwas completely disgusting.
You know how much this shitweighed on my fucking mind all
week long.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Well, there's going to be more, so let me get into
it.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Oh, God, I'm just disgusted about this human being
so much.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
I know Carla immediately puts the
halothane-soaked cloth andvomit-covered sheets in the wash
, so that evidence is gone.
And then Carla and Paul telltheir made-up story of events
and it's chalked up to a tragicaccident.
Wow, this girl had been rapedin both areas on her period and

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they didn't notice that.
Like you know what I'm saying,I, I don't, I don't, I'm not
even gonna pretend to evenhalfway know anything about a
medical examiner's job.
But maybe they weren't lookingfor that in the 80s.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Maybe the examiner was like she's menstruating and
it's everywhere, because maybewhen she dies while you're
menstruating, it just releasesmore and everywhere, just like
when you die.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
I know.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
So he was just like I'm not even checking this area
because of that.
So that's a killer thing rightthere.
Like if, if you're a killer andthat happens and the person
dies, like and then all thatjust releases when your body
relaxes, maybe that'll cover upshit oh, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
I don't even want to think about that.
Well, it's disgusting I thoughtabout it all week and it's oh
but it's also reported that thecoroner did minimal on his job,
and because he was I mean it wasChristmas he was drunk too.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
You know, oh yeah, shitty, unqualified bullshit.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
At the funeral, carla and Paul both are constantly
touching Tammy's corpse.
Paul is stroking her hair,carla is messing with her hair
and fixing her clothes, and theyeven put one of their wedding
invitations in her casket.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
That is so fucking disgusting.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
I know Like where.
This is what I said the samething with Myra Henley and Ian
Brady.
How do people like this meet?
How do people like this meet?
How do two?
There must be like a dark sideof the universe that just, oh,
here's the light side.
Over here, we'll bring twopeople that love music and love
the same shit and like to, youknow, go to the same events

(16:40):
together.
We'll put them together.
And then over here on the darkside, let's put two fucking
sadistic murderersers together.
And yeah, I don't know, it'sweird shit.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
I don't understand how that works and with the
backstory on both sides, it'scompletely horrible fate.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
I guess horrible fate well the rest of the family.
They took a trip to grieve,peacefully or, you know, to take
their mind off of it.
I'm not really sure, but Carlaand Paul stay behind.
This was two weeks afterTammy's death.
They kidnap a girl who theywill call January Girl no name.

(17:17):
They rape her on video and dropher off in a deserted area, and
she was blindfolded through thewhole thing, so they let her go
.
After this, they start makingtapes of themselves, like sex
tapes, reliving the night thatthey raped Tammy.
Carla would dress in herclothes, she would talk in her

(17:40):
voice and on one video calledthe fireside chat, this one's
really famous Carla, beingsexual, actually expresses how
much that she loved that Paulraped Tammy and the others and
that 13 would be the best agefor future girls and she wanted

(18:01):
him to rape 50 more.
Yeah, I'm very disgusted anduncomfortable even saying that.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yes, well, think about how much bullshit that he
did before.
All of this, like at the busstations and all that in the
previous podcast.
These are fucking horrible.
And now now he's got her likethey're ready to hop on and do
all this shit together.
It's just horrible.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Well, I mean of course she will go on.
I'm going to do a tiny spoilershe will go on to act like this
was an abuse, just like Myra did.
But you have to know youraudience.
There is not a man alive that'sjust going to comfortably tell
somebody that unless they aredaily threatening their life,

(18:46):
somebody that, unless they aredaily threatening their life.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
When you allowed your boyfriend at the time to make
comments about your sister, youhave to know yeah, and that's
what I'm saying like they wereliving in her parents house.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
She had plenty of opportunity to say this dude is
threatening my life and if Idon't give give up, tammy, or if
I don't participate in thisshit that I don't want to
participate in, if she didn'treally want to participate in it
.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
When you broke your sister's blind so he could look
through it.
Right, that's when you arefully liable.
You're responsible foreverything from then on.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Right.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Honestly Garbage man God.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Paul eventually wanted to have sex slaves and
expressed to a friend that hewanted a virgin farm.
Yeah, and I'm not.
You can look more into that andthere's more to that, but I
can't, I can't, I can't even saythe words out of my mouth.
So just know that he wanted avirgin farm and he wanted to do
other horrible things.
But when the family returns,they no longer want Paul in the

(19:45):
house, so he and Carla get aplace of their own in.
I've looked up.
I've heard two differentpronunciations for this.
I believe it's spelled PortDalhousie, but it's pronounced
Port Dalhousie.
I've looked it up several timesand most of the pronunciations
is Deleuze.
So poor Deleuze.

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And they are still planningtheir wedding, which is just a
few months away, and they areactually upset that so much was
spent on Tammy's funeral and nowwedding money was limited.
Any normal person would haverescheduled their wedding for at
least another year.
At least another year.
You're not giving me anyfeedback.

(20:27):
I put pauses in here for you togive me feedback.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
I can't give you feedback right now.
I'm completely, just horriblydisgusted on what they're trying
to build, the whole magistratethat they think is something
enjoyable for them.
I can't wrap my head around it.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
I know If that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
So I'm sorry I'm being quiet right now.
I'm over here kind of lookingaway.
I'm like she's literally sayingthat this actually fucking
existed.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
And still does, in different places and different
people have this shit in theirheads, and so I'm over here kind
of looking away right now.
Sorry, lindsay, sorry, I'm notjust like happy-go-lucky fucking
skipper, I'm not trying for youto be happy-go-lucky, happy
fucking rainbows and unicornsover here.

(21:17):
I cannot be.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
but fuck, it's not cute, it's not, it's it's it's
well, I just figured you wouldgive me something on I don't
want to just keep plugging intothis.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
I'm over here just waiting for it to get over with.
It's kind of like knowing thatyou have to have an ass whipping
10 times and you're just likelet me just not think about the
other nine all right, and thenhere you come again with another
fucking lick.
And then I got eight more, soI'm still trying to.
And then there's seven, andthen you're like ain't you gonna
say anything?
I'm like no, no, I got six moreto go.
And then you're like now yougot five, but still ain't you

(21:48):
going to say anything.
I'm like no, I'm not, I'm not,I'm just not.
I'm just Lindsay, all right, goahead, keep flipping it, but
I'm just.
I'm sorry you got me over here.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Well, Paul.
I to help with wedding costs.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Son of a bitch.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
He amps up his cigarette smuggling to like
three runs a day.
He's going back and forthacross the border Canada, united
States.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
He was making 15 grand a month doing this and in
the 80s that would be like what?
45 grand.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, he's got to be moving truckloads.
Vending power yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
So it was said that he would put the cigarettes in
his door paneling yeah, and theyalso wanted to use the wedding
and this.
You know, I never even thoughtabout this and I'm guessing that
people do think about thisbecause it is an opportunity to
make money.
But they were, yeah, they werehoping to make a shit ton of
money from their wedding.
So they had like 150 guestsinvited and they were hoping to

(22:45):
make at least a hundred dollarsa person and they were looking
forward to all the gifts andgratuities.
And best because all they askedfor on like a registry is for a
dust b Crystal and money Likethat money was the main thing
that they wanted.
Well, paul spent more time onhis music.

(23:06):
You know, because he wanted tobe the next big white rapper,
his fucking rap music.
And I'm sorry, paul Bernardo,but that title was waiting for
Marshall Mathers to come along.
Okay, and he's still holding itokay.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
I don't think anybody's going to break his
record.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
No, no, no, no, no no .

Speaker 2 (23:23):
There'll be a LeBron James to the Michael Jordan on
that deal but it's not going tohappen for a while They've tried
.
They've tried already, yeah,but remember MumbleRap Like how
in the hell do you contest?

Speaker 1 (23:34):
That was over quickly , thank God.
And just rap, just wrap periodlike eminem.
He's gonna show back up in 20more years and still shut him
down and still probably lookjust like he does right now.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Still look 20, 20 years from now.
Well, he's 70 right.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
So well, carla.
She decides she wants to getpaul a wedding gift and it's an
old co-worker from number onepet center who was known as Jane
Doe.
She was 15 and Jane looked alot like Tammy.
Jane was invited over on June7th to watch the movie Ghost

(24:12):
what was that song?
While they're doing the pottery.
Unchained Melodies yes, by theRighteous Brothers, not Elvis.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
It is the epitome of all the music that I love, my
love, yes.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
My darling, anyways.
So they've ruined Ghost for us.
Okay, they drugged Jane Doebecause she is unnamed.
She was a minor.
They drugged her drinks and shedid get sick, but she ended up
being okay.
She thought it was because ofthe drinking.

(24:46):
She was only 15 years old, sheprobably hadn't had drinks
before that.
And, jane, she goes back tohang out again.
Her mom was suspicious as fuck.
Like why do these two people intheir 20s want to hang out with
my 15-year-old?
And, like I said, the 80s was adifferent time, but that would
have been it for me.
On her second visit, theydrugged her and she passes out

(25:08):
and they raped her and theyvideoed it About a week later.
This is when it's going tostart getting real bad, you
ready?

Speaker 2 (25:15):
No, buckle your seatbelt.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Well, I mean, I've been over here just trying to
not listen, because it's thatbad, but you have to listen.
You signed up for this.
I know I do, but I mean I do.
About a week later, paul wasout stealing license plates in
the Burlington area and spotteda 14-year-old girl named Leslie
Mahaffey.
Leslie had been kind of aproblem child and her parents

(25:44):
had put her on a curfew.
She was only 14.
Like damn, of course I hope shehad a curfew, but if she missed
the curfew they would lock herout of the house.
What Parents, if you'relistening, don't do this.
Let your kids back in, dealwith it the next day, punish
them, but do not lock your kidsout.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Find a different way, especially a girl.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Oh my God, I don't think anybody's doing that these
days.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Well, because if they want to act up, if they want to
be misbehaving again, they'lljust be like I'm not even going
home because I know that they'regonna lock me out.
So they'll even misbehave evenmore.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
So, yeah, so earlier that day she had been at the
wake, uh, for a friend who hadpassed away in a car accident,
and there was actually six kidsin this accident and they all
died from it.
It was a big.
After the wake, her and herfriends went to the woods to
drink and console each other.
It got late and she had afriend walk her home, but she

(26:48):
had missed curfew and had beenlocked out.
She goes, I guess, down theroad a little bit to a pay phone
to call a friend to see if shecould stay there, but the
friend's sister was sick and shedidn't want to wake her parents
up.
So that's when Paul Bernardoshowed up and offered her a
cigarette.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
To Leslie.
Paul was a normal looking dudewith, you know, a decent car.
He dressed preppy, you know.
He had the whole vanilla icehair going on and he offered her
a ride.
As soon as she got in the car,paul pulled a knife on her and
covered her face with a sweater.
I wonder if it was the samesweater that he lost his mind

(27:29):
over from his girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, and we sung part of the weezer song too,
yeah like who gets mad over asweater, goddamn.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
so paul takes leslie to the house that he, he and
Carla now share at 3 am and heimmediately begins assaulting
Leslie while recording.
But Carla, she went back to bed.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Really.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Just that attuned to it.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
How?
How do you do that?

Speaker 2 (27:57):
All right, yeah, go ahead, have your fun.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
It's like I imagine Carla just being like oh,
putting her little pink sleepingmask back on.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Went back to bed, ugh .

Speaker 1 (28:05):
And when she woke back up later, she was mad that
Paul had used some of the newchampagne glasses that they had
gotten as a wedding present.
Like an early wedding present.
They hadn't got married yet,but you know how sometimes
you'll get shipped before thewedding.
Yeah, and Paul had beengivinglie champagne in these
glasses and that was the onlyreason why carla was mad that he

(28:26):
, because he used the champagne,used the glasses.
Not jealous, not anything, justand then she just went and
walked the dog and guess what?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
guess what book she was reading reading a book about
I don't fucking know whatamerican psycho, american Psycho
oh, it was a brand new bookback then.
So how did we get from that tothis?
And now here we are, fuckinghell, fucking hell.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
I told you this reminded me of that movie, and
then I found that that's whatbook she was reading and I was
like I'd like dropped all myshit.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Do you like Huey Lewis?
In the news In the news.
What the fuck?

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yes, but do you like?
Ice Nine Kills, that's myfavorite line, oh.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Even Cooler Bomb Dude .
That's such a cool band.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
We love horror, so a metal band that does horror Fuck
yeah, and I mean they can makesongs forever, because there's
horror movies everywhere.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
And they'll just start grabbing all the shit that
we're talking about and thelatest one about Art the Clown
God.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
that song is just.
Every song is just.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
We got to see it.
Well, we were at a horror conwhere Art was there.
That was cool.
Yeah, well, the first art, thefirst one, not the third art.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, so, so, anyway.
While she's reading, americanpsycho paul is torturing poor
leslie and when she is finishedreading the book, she joins in
her turn.
Now there is graphic detailsout there about this, but I'm
gonna leave that up to you guysto look up because it's hard for
me to talk about.

(29:57):
I do know that there was likeforced rim jobs and that's all
I'm gonna say.
And in between assaults theygave her a teddy bear to hug and
squeeze on.
Yeah, y'all can't see my face,but and in true fashion just
imagine I'm gonna ruin anothersong for you no, lindy, I'm
sorry, I'm already disgustedsuperman by rem was playing in

(30:19):
the background during this videoyeah oh man now.
Unfortunately, leslie hadalready been in so much trouble
that when her mom reported hermissing it went ignored because
apparently the cops had alreadybeen called on her quite a few
times.
We've had a teenager waywardchild that had kind of the same

(30:42):
issue back in the day.
Yeah, we, yeah, we've.
We've been down that road andit is hard and my heart goes out
to any parent that has to dealwith structure yeah, it's
structure.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
And being in the mental capacity to do it the
right way.
And we've made mistakesEverybody has.
You really have to payattention to what you're
bestowing upon your children fordiscipline.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yes, because sometimes they are difficult and
you don't have any idea what todo and nobody helps you, nobody
helps you.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Goodness.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
So after about 36 hours of having Leslie in their
possession, they decide thatthey have to kill her.
God, lancey.
They give her two sleepingpills and after she passed out
this is where it gets real Paulstrangled her with an electric
cord.
They put her body in thebasement and then that evening

(31:37):
Carla's family came over andthey hosted a Father's Day
dinner.
Jesse's at a loss for words.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
I'm still over here quiet.
I'm sorry she keeps looking atme for some shit.
I don't know how to jump onthis train over here right now.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Now it's said that there was certain food items
that Carla and Paul would keepin the basement, like potatoes
and stuff.
I guess it was like a secondpantry, and Carla's mom kept
trying to go down to thebasement to gather supplies for
whatever they were cooking andCarla had to keep stopping her.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Oh shit, I wasn't thinking about that.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
I wish her mom had went down there.
The story could have ended.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
I was hoping it ended after Christmas, which was
horrible enough.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
So later on, when the family left, paul gets several
bags of concrete mix which hekept the receipt for, and he
told the people at the store hewas building a deck so they
could like give him an estimateof how much he needed.
Right, and they set up tarpsfor easy cleanup.
Paul uses a circular saw todismember Leslie's body into 10

(32:40):
pieces.
Carla then washes each bodypart and puts them in plastic
bags.
They dispose of the tarps ather work in the biohazard bin
and they set the body parts intoeight blocks of cement.
Wow, now this job didn't takeall the mix that he purchased,
so he returned the remainingbags and berated the fucking

(33:03):
clerk for overestimating howmuch he would need the nerve of
this fucker man.
I just they're insane.
So they take, they load up allthe concrete pieces.
I don't know how this guy drovea Nissan 240 SX and they load
up eight blocks of cement.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
All in one One trip, I'm guessing.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
I'm guessing it was one trip, I don't really know
because, yeah, it had to havebeen, because they go to Lake
Gibson and pick a spot to dumpthe body they have sex.
So Paul didn't realize howheavy this job was going to be.
So they had actually droppedand cracked one of the blocks
containing the torso, carryingit up from the basement, and

(33:50):
fluids began to leak out.
So he wrapped it in garbagebags and put it in the car.
When they get to the lake, theyuh they have trouble dubbing
the uh dumping the piececontaining the torso, because
this piece alone weighed 200pounds yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
So small bag of concrete 60 pounds.
Okay, bigger bag of concrete 90pounds right they probably had
the bigger bags of concrete okayso this is this bit I'm holding
up my hands and showing lindsey.
This is the 90 pound one.
It's this wide and only thatdeep okay, 90 pounds.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Well, I've seen concrete.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Okay you put a torso in the middle of that.
That's like four bags fuck yeah.
So yeah, wow so they take yeahthat is like so fucking smart,
but so fucking dumb, you know oh, it gets real yeah, here we go
so they?

Speaker 1 (34:38):
they take the, the concrete block containing the
torso, to a different spot asthe rest of the body parts and
they dump it from a bridge.
Well, what they didn't know was, on its way down, it cracked
open even more and began tofloat.
Also, they didn't realize, Iguess, that Lake Gibson is a
damned lake that would be moreshallow at times.

(35:01):
It rose in fall.
So two weeks later, a man namedBill Grekel was out on the lake
trying to enjoy a nice morningout fishing and noticed a
concrete block in the shallowsthat contained a human thigh.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Holy shit, he's just out trying to catch some fucking
walleye and it's so sad.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
I saw this guy on the documentary on the long one
that's on Max that I watched.
It's like four parts.
He's still fucking shook bythis incident 40 years later or
however long it's been.
Yeah, close enough to 30 yearslater, wow.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Could you imagine?

Speaker 1 (35:39):
No, I don't want to imagine.
Trying to catch a fish, and youknow listening to true crime
has made me think of all thetimes that I'm out doing shit,
innocent shit.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Hey, Lindsay, how many dead bodies have you walked
by and not noticed?

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Do you know that anytime I see a trash bag on the
side of the road?
I think, I'm tripping every timeand I have been ever since and
I hope Somebody reach out to meand help me find this movie.
It's a Lifetime movie but itwas a true case.
It was a dentist that ended upmurdering his wife and he put

(36:20):
her in a fucking duffel bag onthe side of the road and a
jogger found her.
I can't find that movieanywhere.
I've put the description intoAI, into meta, whatever, and I
cannot find it.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Well, that's what I'm trying to do right now.
It's with Valerie.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Bertinelli.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Well, I'm trying to bestow upon you.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Maybe it'll pop up now that I'm speaking about it.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
How many murder crimes and scenes and dead
people have you walked by thatway that can weigh on your head
just like you're putting this onme, okay, getting you back
Trying to.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Well anyway.
So Bill Greco, he finds thepiece that contained one of the
thighs and he immediately callsthe police and by the end of the
day, body parts will be found.
And the next day the torsopiece was found by another
fisherman.
Wow, another poor, justinnocent guy trying to go catch

(37:11):
some early morning fishmeanwhile, at the very same time
, on the very, very same daythat Leslie's body is found,
carla and Paul are gettingmarried.
Oh how beautiful On video.
Of course it's recorded.
Everyone looks happy and it'syour typical gaudy ass early 90s

(37:33):
wedding.
We just watched that.
Yeah, On, Still Magnolia.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
The Aquanet Fest.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
So much gaudy.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
All the Aquanet.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Puffs, sleeves, Aquanet so much gaudy.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
All the aqua puff sleeves, the hairspray,
everything.
Oh my god, the wave in thefront, the, what was that called
?

Speaker 1 (37:49):
the pantyhose nobody.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
What was the wave in the front the chicks had in the
90s?

Speaker 1 (37:52):
it was called the wave was it yeah, I'm guessing,
I don't know if they drove jeeps, maybe that's how the jeep wave
things is what I remember doing, like we would curl it, tease
it and spray it into a wavespray like half a can.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
You had to buy three cans a week and you drove a jeep
, so it was a jeep wave I didn'tdrive a jeep, I was just I'm
just trying.
A dumb ass, little kid.
My joke is so corny right now,so corny.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yes, so the guests actually would later say that
everything seemed kind of forcedbecause, let's not forget, only
six months prior Carla's littlesister had died by what they
thought was a tragic accident.
Well, to everyone but the brideand grooms you know, they knew
Carla and Paula knew whathappened to Tammy, carla and

(38:37):
Paula knew what happened toTammy and this horrible couple
went on a honeymoon to Mauiwhere they would rape another
woman who is also not named.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Oh, they had to jump onto that shit too.
I'm surprised they didn't getcaught over there, because they
were like we're just going to goover here on a whim.
We got to get one in over herebecause we're addicted.
Now, right, this is our thing.
We can't wait to do this baby.
We're going to go and do this.
This is our thing, we can'twait to do this baby.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
We're going to go and do this.
Shut up, Don't say that word.
That is disgusting.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
But that's what they said in context.
That's where my head getsaround it.
I'm literally saying what theywere saying and how they looked
at each other and you know whenyou sit and think about
conversations between peoplethat do shit like.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Know, that's when you sit and think about
conversations between peoplethat do shit like this.
It, it, it, it.
It's horrifying.
Yeah, I can't even that's wheremy mind goes.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
It's the deep, the deep thought and the
conversation had to be deepthought and emotions and
emotions behind everything is tothem is genuine, like they
think that this is really right,that they can keep doing this.
This is a good thing.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Well, when they get home from the honeymoon, they
found out that Leslie's body hadbeen discovered, but this
didn't slow them down.
They continued to make sextapes Carla is still
role-playing as Tammy and othervictims and they were wanting to
kidnap another girl, but thistime they wanted to make her
their sex slave.
They returned to Jane Doe andstill had her come over, and on

(40:05):
one occasion they almost killedher.
911 was called.
But Jane started breathingagain.
They called 911 and said well,never mind, all good here, and
the ambulance was called backwithout any further
investigation.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
All right, we're good here.
I mean, she was done, but she'sokay now.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
That would not happen now.
That would not happen now.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Well, we're still going to come and check vital
signs and such.
They did not, yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Now, like when you accidentally called 911 from
your phone, they came and lookedall through our house.
At what time was it?
4 am, yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Well, I mean I had picked my phone up to cut the
alarm off.
But the day before that I hadseen something that I needed to
call yeah, and so, when I turnedmy alarm off, I actually called
the police.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah, oh, that's right, that's what it was.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
That's what happened, so I met them at the door.
I'm on my way out from work andeverybody's stilled on me.
I was like I do understand why,because literally 24 hours
before that I had called andthen my alarm and that was like

(41:08):
somehow I'd clicked that to callinstead of turning my alarm off
.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Well, and if they had investigated, they would have
seen that this girl was.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Yeah.
You know, have seen that thisgirl was yeah, you know up some
weird situation.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
She's strangled, she's something.
Yeah, so a girl named ray ohthey, they would not they always
let her go.
They wanted to keep her aroundjane doe, so that they would
have still been able to come inand see that she was drugged.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Is what I mean right, the alcohol that maybe, because
the, maybe the minor, because Imean.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Paul and Carla were good at covering shit up so I
don't know.
Well, a girl named Rachelnoticed this guy who was Paul,
following her around, andreported it with the description
of his car, which is a Mazda240SX, and the license plate of
the car and he was neverquestioned In.
And the license plate of thecar and he was never questioned.
In fact, there was anothercomposite sketch drawn when

(42:02):
investigators asked who wasaround when Leslie disappeared
and again it looked just likePaul and he wasn't questioned.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
So that's like if you include all the rapings and
everything that he did at thebus stations and all the other
stuff that was in a differentarea and the guy that was
investigating that.
I'm trying to gather up all thefailed attempts of bad fucking
evidence that nobody followedthrough on.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
That's what I'm going to say the guy that was
investigating that I told youbut I didn't tell our audience.
His name was Steve Irwin, buthe, when they stopped in
Scarborough because Paul hadmoved, now Right, he just was
like, okay, I guess it's overwith.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yeah the Scarborough rapist is no longer in
Scarborough.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Yeah, yeah.
So he was even running aninsurance scam during this time
and called the police himself toreport stolen goods that didn't
exist and they were at hisfucking house.
He reported like 30 grand worthof stolen goods 30 grand.
Yes, he is working it, and thiswhole scam was reported to the

(43:08):
constable who was on the LeslieMahaffey case but had no idea
that they had literally beeninside the killer's home.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
No, constable, irresponsible.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
And the cement that Paul purchased.
It was traced back to the exactstore that Paul had purchased
it from, called Beaver Lumber.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, I mean, it's easy.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
But he paid in cash.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
So no record no record.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Yeah, there were two guys who were suspects because
they had also committed sexualcrimes, but one left the country
and one took his own life, sothey literally.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Right them off, yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
And Paul's insane behavior.
This story is going to fuckwith you.
It wasn't just on women.
Paul and Carla had a pet iguananamed Spike, and it sometimes
bit and would whip its tail tail.
I know iguanas can do that isthat because of gremlins?
So probably I mean it was oh,that was the time you're saying

(44:10):
that these stories are gonna.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
This one's gonna fuck me.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Every single fucking one fucks with me, lindsey well,
they had some friends over fora barbecue and the iguana bit.
One of the friends, paul, thenthrows the iguana against the
wall, decapitates it.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Whoa.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Carla fillets it, takes out its balls and says
well, I guess Spike's the boy.
And Paul throws this pooriguana on the fucking grill to
serve to his guests.
Y'all want to eat some iguanaon the fucking grill to serve to
his guests?
Y'all want to eat some iguana?
Well, the friends did notpartake in eating spike, but it
said that carla ate every biteof her portion and I'm sorry, I

(44:47):
would have excused myself fromthe barbecue after paul lost his
shit.
Right, I mean done bye, I'm likewhoa, uh, I mean and then I
probably would have toldeverybody I knew that this
dude's a psycho you know, justput it over there in the cage.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
I think we'll be okay , poor Spike.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
He's just Paul is escalating and escalating Like.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Violent, just outrage , just the addiction of lashing
out and knowing that power, thesheer fucking power and greed
and selfishness of him having tohave that fulfillment is just
there.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Well, now we're in April of 1992, and Paul started
all his shit, I think, in 86.
So now we're six years in tohim just getting away, and
getting away, and getting awaywith everything, and he has this
phenomenal fucking music careertoo, right yeah?
He wishes.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Yeah, god.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Paul and Carla are on the prowl for the sex slave
that they wanted, and Paul hadstalked many different women and
it was noticed and reported,but again, nothing was done.
He set his sight on a15-year-old named Kristen French
and he would follow her homeand would peep on her while she

(46:05):
undressed.
Then he and Carla made the planto kidnap her.
They made sure they were rightwhere they needed to be while
Kristen was walking home fromschool and while holding a map.
Carla asked Kristen fordirections.
Paul comes up behind herholding a knife, blindfolded her
and threw her in the car andthey went back to their house.

(46:27):
They put on iced teas originalgangster made Kristen drink
screwdrivers and then began torape and torture her, and it
would go on for three days.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
What the fuck, Lindsay?

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Now, when Kristen didn't show up at home on time,
police were called immediatelybecause she was responsible,
punctual, so news of herdisappearance was on TV quickly
and her family is begging forher return.
I mean, I've seen the clipsfrom that.
Oh God, it's heart-wrenching.
Police actually ended upfinding her shoe and a piece of

(47:09):
the map that Carla was holdingon her route home, so they think
that she was like smart andlike left clues.
You know, witnesses seenKristen being taken because this
was broad daylight, but theymisidentified the car, saying
that it was a cream coloredCamaro, not a gold Mazda 240XX.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Oh God.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah.
So meanwhile, at the house ofhorrors, not only is rape and
torture happening, but Paul isalso forcing kristin to listen
to his rap which is way worsethan ice, motherfucking tea.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
I love iced tea.
I love body count.
Yes, I like.
I like iced tea.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
I like iced tea, yeah but they're also making her
watch coverage of her owndisappearance on TV.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
What the fuck?
Yeah, this is so fuckinghorrible.
I'm just saying I don't want tothink about it, but I am, and
it's just to be in that spot.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
I mean, they were also trying to make her feel at
home.
They would buy, takeout andrent videos, force Kristen to
watch movies with them, likePaul was going out and running
the errands and renting themovies and Carla is trying to be
girlfriends with Kristen whilePaul is out.
She even talks about it.
We did each other's makeup,yeah, wow, but after three days

(48:31):
Kristen would no longer be withus.
Now Carla says that Paulstrangled her for seven minutes
until she was gone, but herautopsy would show that her
death was caused by a malletblow to the head.
It's speculated that this wasactually done by Carla, because

(48:51):
either Kristen had begged forCarla to let her go while Paul
was out or, um, she had actuallytried to escape.
Wow, and Carla was guarding herwith a mallet.
Like that was, yeah, what Paul,or what Carla says Paul had her
do.
This is so fucking bad.
But whatever the truth is,Kristen was dead.

(49:14):
Yeah, they scrubbed her bodyclean.
They cut her hair and wrappedher in a blanket, dumped her
body in a ditch and then went toEaster dinner at Carla's
parents' house.
Is that why you planned this?
I actually did it.
It worked out very weirdly.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
I hope they didn't watch fucking Steel Magnolias.
They better not have thosebastards.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
And her body wouldn't be found for two weeks Ooh.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
This is fucking horrible, Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Well, police and FBI.
They made profiles of who theythink the killers are and it's
totally wrong.
The car was misidentified.
It's just an absolute disaster.
There was a constable that wasinvestigating the Smyrnis
brothers because of their scamsand they sold Paul out.
But when Paul was interviewedhis alibi that he was, that he

(50:06):
was at home recording his rapalbum and when asked about his
car, paul said well, it's not agold or a cream colored Camaro
and they let him go.
They let him go and um game wasso fucking weak.
Oh, and he wanted that shit totake off so hard that he
actually spent thousands ofdollars making a music room and

(50:29):
he legally changed his name toPaul Jason Teal because he
didn't think Paul Bernardo was agood stage name.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Pauly Teal, are you sure?

Speaker 1 (50:43):
I bet half of our audience won't even get that.
So Paul, though, he did startto get a little worried from
questioning that he was gettingfrom what was called the Green
Ribbon Task Force.
This was the task force on youknow these cases, yeah, and he
decided to hide his home moviesinto the ceiling above the

(51:08):
garage, and there was a lot ofthem.
After the death of KristenFrench, paul started to get
really abusive to Carla, andother friends were actually
witnessing this One friend thatI've seen on the documentary now
he has his face blacked out andhis name has been changed.
He says that he was overhanging out with Paul and Carla,

(51:30):
and Paul offered him a drink.
Paul made Carla make the drinkand Carla brings the drink to
the friend and puts it likeright in his hands.
Paul then proceeds to backhandCarla so hard that it nearly
knocked her off her feet.
He says that a drink should bebrought to a guest on a serving

(51:52):
tray.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
What the fuck.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
To your fucking crime buddy, your fucking murder
rapist buddy, she's going toturn on you.
Oh, it starts, yeah.
To your fucking crime buddy,your fucking murder rapist buddy
, she's going to turn on you.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Oh, it starts to get.
Yeah, it starts to get real.
Oh yeah.
Now it is speculated that Paulhad become very angry with Carla
because he never wanted to killhis victims, he wanted to keep
them as slaves, and that carlawas actually the one responsible
for the deaths that she waskilling out of jealousy, like

(52:25):
she wanted to keep her man happyand went along with all the
rape and torture, but when hewould show too much attention to
the victim and not enough tocarla.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Yeah, that's when they would die she would let him
do all that for the excitement,to the point.
And I don't know, but, don'tknow.
But that is a theory?

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Yes, that is a theory and it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Yeah, there's nobody coming between us, and that is
oh because she knew.
Oh, a twist, and I'm enjoyingthis little twist.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Now Paul and Paul, he , actually he doesn't start.
He doesn't stop trying to getvictims, but further attempts
were failed.
He doesn't stop trying to getvictims, but further attempts
were failed.
So you can rest easy knowingthat Chris and French is the
last one we're going to talkabout.
Good, let's do the twist.
So Carla would start going towork very bruised up and even

(53:14):
though she tried to hide it, theco-workers were definitely
noticing.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
They even said that Paul was starting to call
possessively and obsessively allthe time.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Yeah, like we did last summer, oh my god, like we
did last year so one night,after being out with buddies in
montreal trying to pick up womenand failing, paul came home and
beat the living shit out ofCarla with a flashlight.
The images of this beating arebrutal.

(53:44):
Both of her eyes are so blackand swollen that you couldn't
even see her actual eye.
It just looks like pure likeraccoon.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Swole shut, yeah, yeah they're swole shut.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
So, carla, she either seeks refuge with her aunt and
uncle or her parents I've heardboth in different sources and
she tells them that Paul wasresponsible for Tammy's death
Just Paul.
And around this time, same time, that DNA sample that Paul had
volunteered, like two yearsprior, was a match for the

(54:18):
Scarborough rapist.
Oh, here we go.
So Carla decides to spill allthe beans to the police now that
she's, you know, been horriblyabused and it is said that she
was actually reading books aboutbeing in an abusive
relationship and decided to getahead of the game because maybe

(54:38):
she wouldn't get in as muchtrouble for her ahead of the
game, because maybe she wouldn'tget in as much trouble for her
part of the crimes if she putthem all on Paul and say that
she was just too afraid to notgo along with it.
Right, so Paul is now undersurveillance and his phone is
tapped and finally enoughinformation has been presented
to get him on the murders.
And Carla sat down for afive-hour interview to fill in

(55:01):
the blanks as an abused spouse.
She I watched videos of this,of this interview, and she's
like in your typical 80s, likehalf ponytail up type thing, and
she, just she looks like amember of the Mickey Mouse Club,
just very innocent, innocent.
Carla admits, so she lawyers upand she admits to her lawyer

(55:24):
the part her part in the deathof Tammy and that she was
present for the murders ofLeslie Mahaffey and Kristen
French.
She knew Paul would throw herunder the bus, just as she did
him, so they had to paint thisas an abused spouse situation.
This was all to get immunityfor testifying against Paul and

(55:45):
this was granted, but theydidn't know the entire truth yet
and to prosecution.
This seemed like a great idea.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Right.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
You know she's an eyewitness could tell them
everything, and they wouldn'thave to do the work of building
a case.
Carla would do it for them.
But Carla was not going to gocompletely unpunished, because
while searching the house ofhorrors, some of the videotapes
were discovered and they showedCarla's absolute participation.

(56:14):
Yeah, her, she was relaxed,yeah, yeah.
Well, no, she didn't forget.
She actually told him thatthere was, but she thought that
she could convince them that shewas all under an abused
situation that she was beingmade to do that, yeah, but too
many opportunities to get away,right.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
And with other people there.
You could have teamed up withthem and got away.
I mean.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Well, investigators are horrified.
Yeah Well, investigators arehorrified from watching these
videotapes.
In fact, one woman she's on thedocumentary she was so
traumatized that she can't evenhear the word tape without being
triggered.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Triggered by tape.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Just by the word tape .
Wow, yeah.
But the deal had been made,which is now described as the
deal with the devil.
Before her trial, carla writesher family a letter and this is
what it says Dear Mom, dad andLori, this is the hardest letter
I've ever had to write andyou'll probably hate me once you

(57:13):
read it.
I've kept this inside myselffor so long and I just can't lie
to you anymore.
Both Paul and I are responsiblefor Tammy's death.
Paul was quote in love unquotewith her and wanted to have sex
with her.
He wanted me to help him.
He wanted me to get sleepingpills from work to drug her with

(57:36):
.
He threatened me and physicallyand emotionally abused me when
I refused.
No words I can say can make youunderstand what he put me
through.
No-transcript, but somethingmaybe the combination of drugs
and the food she ate that nightcaused her to vomit.
I tried so hard to save her andI'm so sorry, but no words I

(58:00):
can say can bring her back.
I would gladly give my life forhers.
I don't expect you to everforgive me.
I will never forget myself,carla, xoxo.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
What the fuck.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Yeah, imagine getting that letter from your kid.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Imagine being in that situation and not getting the
fuck out because you're enjoyingit.
That's what she was doing.
And then now she's like I canjust paint this picture, right,
right, your fucking artworksucks Like his rapping.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Horrible, horrible.
Now Carla would receive fiveyears each for Leslie Mahaffey
and Kristen French and just twoyears for Tammy, so 12 years
total, with the possibility ofparole.
After two or three years,during the search of their home,
a journal was discovered ofPaul's that had every single

(58:52):
detail of the crimes.
Several sexual deviant books,or is it?
Yeah, I think that's how yousay it.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
I wouldn't know.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Handcuffs, a hunting knife and one video of Paul
Carla and two unidentifiedfemales.
Wow yeah, so there's even more,there's more.
There's more yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Not to count the 30.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Probably that happened in scarborough now the
large collection of tapes hadn'tbeen brought to court yet.
Pa actually tells his attorneywhere they are and he keeps them
under wraps for 18 months.
18 months.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
The lawyer, everybody working and hang their selves
on their well from I understand.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
This was very confusing to me as to why he did
this, from what I'munderstanding because see now
Carla, she's already gone tojail, she's doing her 12 years.
That's all she gets for threemurders my understanding is that
he was holding onto the tapesso that he could boom, surprise
everybody with them, exactly Tomake Paul look less guilty and

(59:56):
carla more guilty.
Maybe that's just mespeculating I'm not.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
He's doing some get back.
After all that he was lettinghim do all that work and then at
the end he can just drop thebomb yeah, he did, he got.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
He got in a lot of trouble for that, because that's
withholding evidence, right?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
which doesn't make a fuck, because he knows he's
already hung up for murders andshit, so he's just trying to get
her back.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Well, and also maybe a lesser sentence for Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
I don't know, he thought he could make a deal,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
So Carla, she legally divorced Paul in 1994.
And Paul's trial began in 1995.
Paul was sentenced to life inprison, which is only 25 years
in Canada.
Because they are all aboutreform, unless they are deemed a
danger to society, and hedefinitely is.

(01:00:41):
So no parole for you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Paul, no dude, your CD was a danger in its own.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
And he later actually confessed to 10 additional
assaults.
Carla served her 12 years andwas released quietly on July 4th
2005.
She later married her lawyer'sbrother name, I don't know.
It's spelled T-H-I-E-R-R-Y.
So is that Terry?
I think so.
Yeah, terry Bordelius, and shewent by several different names

(01:01:13):
and had to move around quitefrequently because she would get
discovered and she has childrenand would go to their PTA
meetings and other schoolfunctions until she would get
discovered and I was also.
I was listening to a listener'stale episode on Morbid.
One of their listeners wrote insaying that she had been in a

(01:01:35):
facebook mom group with carlahomoka oh my who was using one
of her aliases and, after awhile, finally admitted to the
group who she really was how thefuck are you walking free man?
What the fuck yeah yeah, she's,I've got updated pictures of
her.
She actually went on like aninterview.
It's all in French, though, andso I mean I read some of the

(01:01:57):
subtitles, but I didn't want to.
I just didn't want to sit.
Yeah, so Paul is still inprison at La Macasa institution
and he is now 60 years old.
That kind of blew my mind,cause.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Yeah, but no reform there, Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Sorry, love you my mind because yeah but no reform
there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Canada, sorry, love you, but yeah, they shouldn't
let her lose, man god.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Well, that's what I mean.
It.
I mean she was all right.
They I don't know why theydidn't go back on that deal.
I don't know, why?
But the crown like they, theykept it, they kept it yeah
goodness gracious yeah, thepublic was outraged over that.
They're absolutely outragedBecause the jury I think-.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Everybody that listens.
Send her a friend request.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Oh my God, we don't yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Well, she's under different names.
We're going to find her.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
I actually meant to look up all her extra names that
she used, but I forgot to.
I apologize.
Yeah, so I mean the jury had towatch those videotapes like
three times.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Goodness gracious.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
And it was a lot, it was like six hours yeah we're
never going to be on your team.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Sorry, Barbie.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
No, never.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
So anyhow, Lindsay, I'm horrified.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Well, you'll be happy to know that's the end of this
two-part saga.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
The end.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
And I never want to talk about them again.
It is over it is over.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I never want to talk about them again.
I'm just, I'm puddled, I scaredyou, I scared the shit out of
me, I slipped it in on her.
It was loud at the beginning,it was very loud.
I like it.
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I got you, though you got me, Igot you babe.

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You did a great job, though Horribly great.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
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.
So check this stuff out, we'llbe right back.
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