EPISODE 30: The Tragic Life of Marvin Gaye

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
Jesse.

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello Lindsey.
What are you drinking today?

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I am drinking Vista Bay coconut rum and a little bit
of seltzer.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
What flavor of Vista Bay.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's the pineapple one you gave me yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Our guests don't know that.
That's why I was like do alittle specific.
Pineapple Vista.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Bay, pineapple Vista Bay with coconut rum, so
lindsey's got me on the vistabay now.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Hey, now that's gonna be our drink.
Get your game on, go play butwe still had some leftover white
claws in the outside fridge, soI am those in my rattle cup
with um peach mango mango whiteclaw with peach celsius.

(00:50):
It's fucking phenomenal.
Phenomenal.
Now, if you get the um 24 pack,I think it's mix number three
number three, not number five.
You get peach and mango inthere, and if you mix those
together they're fabulous.
If you don't like those flavorsapart, mix them together, just
put them in, it's good, throw itin.

(01:11):
Peach and mango is fabuloustogether.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Mix it all up, right, mix it, sir.
Mix a lot, yes, yes.
What are we drinking about overhere?
Today're gonna be drinkingabout marvin gay are you talking
about motown ville over here?

Speaker 1 (01:28):
motown ville yes motown, scott.
I just want to give a shout outthough there's some light and
some darkness, before you dumpon motown everything motown, big
ups to the funk brothers yeah,they were the ones that started.
You've been plugging them to mesince we've been together.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
If you like motown, it's the band behind it that
made it.
Really the funk brothers giveit up for them.
I mean, honestly, we wouldn'thave had motown, if you like
motown and that style the funkbrothers made it happen.
So, yeah, everybody else wasjust a voice.
Really, they just honestly inthe studio and, and I love it,
it's all amazing, perfect,perfect chemistry.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
But that band, the funk brothers and barry gordy
with all of his flaws.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
He put it all together, yeah so, thank you,
thank you, and now I'm not sure,maringay yeah, you have no idea
.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
No, I don't know.
No, okay, I'm gonna be honesttoo.
I should not.
I love it.
It's one of my favorite genres.
I heard about this two yearsago and I was absolutely shocked
that I knew very little about aman's voice that I have heard
my entire life.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
So that's why we were singing, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
We were plugging Taking a drink.
Come on, taking a drink, comeon, ain't no river wide enough
to keep me from getting?

Speaker 2 (02:48):
to you baby.
Yeah, which one's your favoritethough?

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Well, I'm going to talk about that soon.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Oh yeah, I like my Girl.
Let's get there first.
I think that was my favorite.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
My Girl is not Marvin Gaye darling.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Oh no, it's not that's.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
The Temptations that's, the Temptations that's.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
The Temptations.
Oh, I'm wrong, I'm on to it,yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
I love the Temptations.
I love the Temptations.
Yes, I don't even know if theywere on Motown label.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
They're definitely Motown.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
All right, hold on, we're going to Google it.
Come on motown.
I'm just saying, yeah, theywere on motown, motown, but they
were also on barry gordy's.
Uh, separate label miraclewarwick, uar, capital atlantic
and new door, yeah, so they wereon several labels.
Yeah, marvin, he was on thetamla label through motown

(03:38):
records oh, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
So I mean, but I'm talking like pre, like the, the,
the dawning of the beginning ofTemptation, or the beginning of
Motown, you know.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
We tried to watch a documentary on Temptations but
it wasn't that great.
Like, the story of theTemptation is great, but the
documentary that they puttogether was not good yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
I mean even Smokey Robinson.
They just fucking grabbed himup off the street.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Oh smoke, we're going to talk about all these people,
so let's save it for the story.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Oh gosh.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
I'm ready and you want to roll the intro?
I'm not ready, but we'll rollit.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
I mean, yeah, here we go.
Happy Friday, holy shit, that'sawesome.
That is popping Lindsay, thatis pumping lindsey.
We blow out the speakers.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
we're gonna blow up the speakers on this, really if
you're in your headphones, turnit down a little bit.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
No, I love it, no we, we did crank that one.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
It's like hitting very fucking hard.
You know, like our jams, isthat song really hitting hard
for you?

Speaker 1 (04:50):
now it's good.
It's good.
I love it.
It's our intro song.
Man, I dance to that song in myhead all the time.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Now it's so goofy yes , it's like goofy, creepy and
jazzy Kind of Motown-y, notreally, whatever.
What are you going to say?

Speaker 1 (05:04):
I have a question for you.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
What made you feel old?
This week, you're going to hitme with this.
Of course, you're going to hitme with this, give me a second.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
there, give me a second.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Give me a second.
I need to get my story straight.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
All of my old moments just come and go Honestly Okay.
Moments just come and gohonestly okay, they really do
and it's just like oh fuck wellnow that I'm gonna present you
with this question every week.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Just clock it in your brain.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
I need to save this for the pod, yeah, and I'm just
like huh, well, I want to forgetabout it.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
And then like looking back period, looking back
looking back, looking back at me, I see that I never really got
it old crossfade where?

Speaker 2 (05:44):
they're gonna be at Rockville.
I mean, looking back at our10th anniversary at Rockville
makes you feel old, makes mefeel old.
I cannot believe it.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
And we're still hanging out with all these kids.
Eight years that came up in myEight years since the day I
discovered Avatar, when theyblew my fucking mind.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
When they came out on stage.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
And I was like oh my god, and we've seen him on stage
.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
And then we went and fucking hung out with him
afterwards, and then we've seenhim like five times now yeah,
he's like can I have your hat?

Speaker 1 (06:14):
and I was like yes, they were in the vip we hung out
with them.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I was like there's the guitarist for avatar.
They're playing in the mr fanover there and you're like no,
no fucking way.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
I'm like okay, so listen.
I have to admit.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
How many no fucking ways have you told me?

Speaker 1 (06:27):
I have to admit.
So Jesse finds famous artistsout of the blue all the time.
Name them off.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
See if you can name them all off right here.
I'm not trying to brag, but I'mjust trying to say you
disassociate people around yousometimes.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
And you're like there's fucking somebody famous
right beside you.
Well, the top three that I canthink of is Avatar.
We were in so that year it wasour second Rockville and we had
paid for VIP that year becausewe heard that it was good.
And I do have to admit, when itwas in Jacksonville, the VIP
was worth it.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
You had that pocket you could go in and that was the
VIP pocket.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
You had better food trucks.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
It was a cut through.
It was a faster way to getthrough the festival it was
perfect Rockville.
Come on Well, and you hadbetter bathrooms.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
You had better food trucks, which I'm glad that they
have made it not like that,because now we have food truck
options for days at Rockville, Imean yeah.
We have food options galore,but that fried bologna stand
needs to come back.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
In Kentucky.
We've only seen that in modernlife right.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
No, no, no, that was Rockville 2023.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
But we found them in Louisville too, right?
Yes, yeah, and then IslandNoodles always, always, always.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
But anyways, so I know for sure.
So we were in the VIP area, wewere cooling down after a seven
hour stretch of being on therail lefty righty.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
We want it back in lefty, righty Rockville.
Come back, you can have it,though, but it's front and backy
yes so that you can just turnaround.
So you got a front and back,but it's still it's a lot.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Right now, rockville is so overwhelming compared to
what it used to be.
It's huge, it's a bigfive-stage, but we still rock
that shit.
It's whatever.
I love you, we'll always go,we're so seasoned.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
now it's just like we pick and choose.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
We'll watch a couple songs and we'll ease on.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Well, because we've seen so many of our, so that
makes me feel old too, becausewe're like we are usually
hanging, yeah, um.
So we're gonna talk about thisshit for a minute.
So so we were cooling off viparea and we saw these dudes with

(08:30):
dreads without their makeup on,because that's why I was like
that's not fucking them and itwas fucking avatar and so we
have a picture of them and it'sone of the proudest moments of
my life.
But jesse was like that'savatar and I was like the
fucking way.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Then he kind of came up to us yeah, he was like can I
buy your hat?

Speaker 1 (08:48):
yes it was the uh, the guitar player one of the
guitar players and they've gottwo.
They've got two guitar playerson a bass player.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah all the guitar players are the best I've ever
seen in my life and theysimultaneously swing their hair
around.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
It's so beautiful.
Yeah, and johannes, I love youso much.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Well, you know, he was standing over there right
beside us.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
We never even talked to him, we didn't get his
attention I know we just hungout with the rest of the band,
but the rest of the band wasfucking great.
They were hanging out with, us.
So then, that's, that's that'sa picture I treasure.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
You don't have to go for the voice mouth of the band,
you know, because there's a lotof people but I love him behind
it.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
I, I love you, hannes .

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, we do.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
So and then the second time, which is probably
the most iconic for me, we weregoing to our very first ginger
show.
It was.
It was a very small venue whichwe'll never get again with
ginger.
Um, the max capacity was likewhat?
200, maybe three, and we parkedour car.
We're walking to the venue andwe parked our car.

(09:47):
We're walking to the venue.
They had just left their meetand greet session and they're
walking towards us.
Their tour bus was tiny, it wasa little camper, and my whole
world just blew up.
And Eugene Eugene, the basisfor ginger grabbed my
motherfucking cracked ass phone.
I hadn't replaced it yet.
I was like this phone's paidoff, I don't want to replace it
yet Grabbed my phone and tookselfies of me and Jesse and

(10:10):
Landon, with all of them, and itwas.
And then so he took one with usTatiana, him and Roman.
And then Vlad came up, thedrummer, and he took another,
and it was one of the bestmoments of my whole life when
she just completely zoned out.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
I was like looking across the railroad tracks, I
was like there's Ginger rightthere coming up and you're like
no fucking way.
But I knew that.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Tatiana.
So Tatiana is a very she's ahuge introvert.
She sings about it andeverything, everything.
You could tell she was wipedout on her face she was really
tired and I did not want toapproach her because she had
just came from a meet and greetsession.
But eugene was about that bitch, he.
He looked at tiana.
Yeah, we take picture.
We take pic.
Well, and tati?

Speaker 2 (10:57):
leaned into a hug for me and she was just like it's
okay, y'all just gave us yourband cd and I was like here,
here's another one.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
She's like you know, and Chris had given a whole
laundry basket.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
He paid for the meet and greet Full of shit, my
drummer.
To give to them like a merch.
We just got it.
She's like we just got thisyeah.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
And all the shit that he because we introduced him to
actually my son, my Landon, heLandon, he introduced Ginger to
Chris and we love you, chris.
I know you listen, but heshitted on them for a second and
then he became obsessed.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
And that's how he does kind of with everything.
Then he loves them like SleepToken, like Beartooth, like
everything.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
But he ended up getting this whole laundry
basket full of shit.
But we got a meet and greet onthe street for free, and she
leaned into a hug.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
She's all like yes, you could tell, you could tell
she was kind of uncomfortable,but like at the same time they
wore our band shirt.
The next show they did, thatwas really cool the drummer we
should post that a picture ofyeah ginger wearing shadow of
the earth shirt.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, but it was funny because she was like oh, I
met, I met your drummer yeah, Ithought he wanted to do my
laundry yes.
I thought, he wanted to do mylaundry and wanted me to do his
laundry, and it was so funny hehad given her band merch from
Shadow of the Earth, candlessocks the whole basket full of
like fun tour stuff, becausethey were on a very low budget

(12:20):
tour yeah, he hooked them up.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, but that was one of the best shows of my life
.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
We got to see the browning and uh sumo psycho
really good dance great nightyeah and and like on top of that
.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
So, like maria brink, she blew me a kiss one time and
I was like you know the video.
And then, um, colby shattucks,yes, right jacoby, jacoby
shattucks, and then, then wewalk up to Jose Mangan all the
time.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
That's really cool All the time, yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
We got a bunch of pictures, so if you don't know
who we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
so Maria Brink is, from in this moment, iconic sex
metal band Like just she exudessexual vibes.
Just she's beautiful, Amazingwoman, metal queen, Amazing
witchy sexual yeah, and thenJacoby Shaddix is from Papa
Roach, who is a legend, and heblew me a kiss.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
It's almost on every outing that we go On the back of
a golf cart.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, I was, oh my God, almost dropped dead.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
I think we're even on that.
Like, Maria and Jacoby had acool-ass song together too,
that's really cool.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
And I got to hold Jacoby's hand.
You did too when he came overto our section to shake
everybody's hand and then Landongot to hold his hand.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
He held him up and held his hand.
Yeah, yeah.
So that's why we love Rockvilleso much.
We're so fucking excited rightnow for Rockville.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, this is our 10th anniversary of Rockville.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
So that does make me feel old, though, Like 10 years
of Rockville, and then go on,and then you see all these ass
kids and we're just like, ahfuck, I kind of feel old, but
we're rocking harder and theydon't know, they don't know and
you know.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
it's like you know because we belong to all the
pages.
Yeah, and you'll see all thesenewcomers that are like they
don't know this, they don't knowthat, and I'm like oh, these
babies, we're a season, we'llhelp you.
Yeah, we'll help you, we'llhelp you.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
And we're going karaoke-ing after each show.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
I think we have a whole list of songs we're going
to sing.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, there's a big party afterwards each night, so
we're going to do that and we'regoing to be at Rockville.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
And I'm just so excited about playing this next
band, but the band we're playingtoday is fucking amazing too.
So you guys, we are fired upabout Rockville.
We really are.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Well, like I was saying, hopefully by our next
episode, which will air the weekbefore we go or the week of
Rockville, we will list all thebands that we're going to see,
because we'll have our schedulelined up and there's like a
little app you download and thenyou click on all the ones you
want to see, so it gives youreminders and you can see who is

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going to play when.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
That way, if you have to choose between one band or
another, see, we like to choosebands that we haven't seen If
they're going on at the sametime with bands that we have
seen we'll yeah, we'll check outa little bit of that, and then
we'll go and check out the otherbands as well, because if we
watch a little bit of that bandwe can be like all right, we got
that, let's go over here andcheck out the end part of this?

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Well, because there's some bands that, no matter how
many times, eat them again yeah.
Like corn.
Oh, my God, I love you,jonathan Davis.
We're getting fucking so manybad bands this year.
The lineup is quiteoverwhelming, if you're coming
to Rockville.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
By the way, we're going to be doing a pod on
Sunday, sunday morning, when weget up after all the festivities
, all the stuff.
Then we got one more day, socome and hang out Orange Lot in
Rockville, yeah, so that'll befun.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Come hang out with us .
Yeah, if you want to say a fewwords, we got you.
Yeah, we're just going to talkabout something pretty short and
similar to true crime and we'llhave everybody on yeah because
Jessie's bestie she goes thenight before we get there and
she picks our camping spot andshe does a great job.
So we'll be in a good spot.
We'll let you know.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah, so we're geeked up.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Hopefully we'll be by the tunnel again, yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
But you have a whole ass story about fucking Marvin
Gaye.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
I do, but first I want to say got to say this
every time gotta plug it.
If you are new here, what we dois we have a drink, we talk
about true crime and then at theend of the episode we plug a
band that we're digging and thatwe think you should listen to
as well, and, um, I've reallybroken, jesse.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
So far I'm on a hunter s thompson fucking vibe
right now yeah, because Iwatched fear and loathing in las
vegas, yeah, and I told her weneed to do some research on him
because there's got to be someshit.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
So so yeah, that's on my list.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Now I'm in my little floral shirt and my my pants.
Here I'm rolling like hunter sthompson and I wanted like
something kind of tropical,something like I feel like he
would have drank and he likesguns like me.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Well, and this is something that I want, I'm going
to continue to plug from, andthis is our 30th episode.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Oh Dirty 30.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
High five, high five.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
High five on, so I really want to plug our email.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
I really want you guys to give us.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, we need more feedback.
I want more feedback.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Whatever you want us to talk about.
Like I have a list for days ofcases that I have listened to or
known about for years and Ijust really want to talk to
Jesse about yeah you have enoughmaterial forever.
But I want to hear what youguys think, and I want and if
even if you have a story of yourown, if you've been close to

(17:49):
somebody- yeah what that'sinvolved into crime.
Email us it is drink aboutsomething.
Pod at gmailcom, yeah, or go tothe website, but all on the
website.
Right, but if you just want, ifyou don't want to go to the
website and you already haveyour platform that you listen to
, send us an email atdrinkaboutsomethingpod at
gmailcom.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
And it's easy because we have YouTube, we have
Spotify.
We have so many differentavenues.
Any of them, we check them outand if you send any messages,
we're going to reply.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
And also Lindsay.
I was going to say that we havesome merch going to be coming
out.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Oh yeah, you sent me that yesterday.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
And our last episode.
If you want to check that out,there is a reference to a song
that I want you guys to let meknow about, a Phil Collins
reference, and let me knowexactly what it is in my inbox.
The first one to actuallyanswer that correctly my little
joke right there about a PhilCollins song.
I'll send you a free t-shirt.
Yes, that's, that's.

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That's my promise over here.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
And you'll have to email us your details at drink
about something.
Pod at gmailcom.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yes, or you can go on the website or anything.
Anything, I'm going to find itand the first one that I find
that answers correctly abouttheir Phil Collins joke, episode
29,.
That we did.
The girl in the box, check thatout and let me know the answer
to that joke.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
And if you love us, share us.
Yeah, tell everybody about us.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
We need it, we need it, and we usually don't really
harp on this so much, but we'retrying to build and go past this
plateau and we're over 750downloads, right, and that's a
big thing.
We got a little badge for thaton our Buzzsprout thing, so
that's kind of cool.
So I'm going to let you fire,though, lindsay.
I'm going to let you fire andpuddle and I'm going to laugh

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into this fucking plant and makefucking jokes.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
You might cry into the plant too, a little bit.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, because it's Motown.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Well, so most of us older folks know Marvin Gaye as
an iconic soul singer andsongwriter of R&B from 1957 to
1984.
The most popular songs I knowoff the top of my head are how
Sweet it Is.
I Heard it Through theGrapevine.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
That's my Favorite, I figured that was going to be
your favorite.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
What's going on and let's get it on.
If you have never heard ofMarvin Gaye, please pause this,
go listen to a few songs andcome back.
We'll be here waiting for you.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, you know what you can do.
You can.
You can put that shit on andhave some fun time.
It'd be great, yeah, orwhatever.
Fun time music.
It's making love music, Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
But there's some darkness to it that I'm going to
get to in this story.
So if you pause this, thoughbefore she tells you but Marvin
Gaye's voice needs to be heardand I'm sure, like it's in our
DNA.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
It's 100%.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
We're millennials, we're elder millennials.
It's in our DNA.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Our parents were playing it.
It was around.
It's in movies for days Moviesfor days.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Especially like Remember the Titans, oh my God.
Yeah, that's the one I thoughtof off the top of my head for in
, but it's also in Stepmothersor Stepmom Is it Stepmom?
With Susan Sarandon and JuliaRoberts, I don't know.
Like Marvin Gaye's, music iseverywhere, it's everywhere,
it's everywhere, it's good.
But if you don't know, justpause this for a minute.

(21:15):
Go listen to a few songs.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Most of the ones that I just listed are in the top 10
.
So associate Marvin Gaye withour story and then come on back
and finish it.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Come on back, but if you know who he is, we're going
to keep going.
Okay, so Marvin Pence Gay Jrwas born on April 2nd 1939 in
Washington DC to Marvin Gaye Srand Alberta Gaye.
Marvin was the second of fourchildren.

(21:46):
His sisters were I don't knowif this is just Jean or Jeannie,
it's G-E-A-N-N-E Zeola, whothey would call Sweetsie, and
one brother named Frankie.
Marvin Sr was a pastor of aPentecostal church that had a
combined membership of OrthodoxJews.

(22:07):
So there was no Christmas,there was no Easter, there was
no Santa.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, but they were Pentecostal, so they were so
charismatic.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
They were charismatic but they went by the Old
Testament a lot.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, we're beating the Bible I found that very
strange You're going to stand upand dance.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Orthodox Jews mixed with Pentecostal, who is very
much about Jesus.
In Orthodox Jews, there's noJesus you know what, though.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
If a preacher shows up in a church and he brings a
towel and a bottle of water or acup of water, for my instance,
back in the day, right I knew itwas going to be fire.
Dude, it was going to be fire.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Well, as was going to say, this was very much a
charismatic church there wasdancing in the aisles.
There was tambourines.
There was slaying in the spirit.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
All the shit that I grew up with.
All of it.
Yeah, dance and holler thewhole time.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
So, alberta, she was a domestic worker like in the
movie the Help, you know, sothey would get on the bus every
day and go to other with otherdomestic workers, go clean and
cook and care for the childrenof the more wealthy white folks
you like that chocolate cake uh,that's how it was a pie it was
a pie, it was chocolate pie.

(23:17):
Yeah, the help is fuck.
And she, the, the woman thatplays uh, what was her name in
that movie?
She plays the bitch.
She's the bitch of the fuckingmovie.
Oh, the Serena of.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Well, she's also plays the mother of Elton John
in Rocket man.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Which was the bitch?

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, she was the fucking bitch, the bitch, I'm a
bitch and the bitch is back,yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
So Alberta, she was the main breadwinner in the
house, as Marvin Sr was prettylazy and he liked to drink.
And the strangest thing to mein this story that, even though
Marvin Sr was a strict religiousman who didn't even like for
his kids to read Charlotte's Web, really he was a crossdresser.

(24:06):
Oh, he liked to wear alberta'sclothes pearls wigs all of it,
heels nothing wrong with thatthough there's nothing wrong
with it, but there is somethingwrong with a motherfucker that
says you can't read charlotte'sweb, but I can crossdress.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, you can't.
Wizard of oz is too muchbecause there's witches in it.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
That's what I grew up with.
Yeah, god, and he was also veryabusive Charlotte's Web Lindsay
.
Charlotte's Web.
Fuck's sake, man, come on.
Well, it says Marvin Sr.
He was very abusive, and mainlyto little Marvin.
When he would tell littleMarvin to go to his room and
wait for a beating, he wouldjingle the belt, the belt.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
you know how the top of it, clackety-clack yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
For sometimes up to an hour torturing little Marvin.
So the rest of—.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Anticipation before the ass-whipping.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Yeah, so, marvin Jr, he would provoke him and try to
make him madder so he could justget that beating over with.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
The anticipation was killing him.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
But unfortunately the rest of his life.
I don't know why this is.
It's almost like a batteredwife syndrome, but for kids he
would continuously just try toimpress his father for the rest
of his life.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Looking for that acceptance, looking for the
acceptance of the abuser?
Yeah, there's a lot in thereand it's so sad because I've
been the battered wife and Iknow exactly how that feels.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
And my boys my older three boys, no, well, mainly my
older two they have had thatsame situation with their
abusive father where they werejust constantly trying.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
It kind of changed a little bit when I came into play
.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Well, I remember when my oldest they had a tough time
before.
Well, he was always a chubbykid and I when their father had
been out of their life.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Beautiful soul he still is.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, I love it to death well, when their father
had been out of their life for acouple years, he lost, uh, my
oldest.
He lost some weight and Iremember him actually saying
maybe dad will love me more nowI remember you and I just
fucking sobbed because heactually thought his dad would
love him more because he wasskinnier and they.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
They really looked your older.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Sue definitely looked for you that acceptance and
they now, now that they knowwhat kind of person, what kind,
of human being that man is,they're like I don't give a fuck
yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, he's played.
He's played them dirty for yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, he's cause.
Men like that are just it.
Yeah, that's just the way theyare, and it's, and it's horrible
.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
They're so comfortable in that negativity,
you know.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
So when Marvin Jr, when he was four, he started
singing in church and learned toplay piano by ear, the Marvin
Jr would love the attention hewould get, especially from the
ladies, like in the audio bookthat I listened to, like he
would actually like talk abouthow he liked to like muscle
their boots.
So you're finding acceptance,but now you've directed it
toward musicianship A kid thatcan learn to play piano by ear

(27:06):
at four and start singing inchurch.
That is prodigy type shit.
That is good stuff.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
I mean honestly, so far this is horrible for him as
a child, but now he's changinginto something positive, so
that's really good.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Well, marvin Jr had a very close relationship with
his mother because she was theone that would console him after
the beatings.
She would encourage his musicand he knew that she was the one
actually putting food on thetable.
He knew that from a very youngage and Alberta would say in an
interview later on that MarvinSr never likes little Marvin and

(27:45):
that he had actually questionedif the boy was even his and he
was always jealous of theirmother and son relationship.
And that is so gross to me.
I don't understand that.
How are you going to be madthat a mother loves her child?
I don't understand that.
Like, get the get the fuck overyourself, because that's what

(28:06):
mothers are supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
So a self-centered father.
He's very self-centered.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
And he wanted all the attention on him and I don't
know.
You watched that movie it wascalled the Waitress with me,
where she was very abused by herhusband and she got pregnant
and he told her OK, this, thisis cool, I want to have a kid,
but you better not pay moreattention to that baby than you
do to me literally said, it yeah, literally said it to her while

(28:32):
she's carrying that baby andI'm like don't do that, men.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
We're gonna love our kids nothing triggers in your
fucking head yeah, nothingtriggers in your head to
actually speak that into lifeand everything, because that is
so disgusting.
I just don't understand it.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Don't understand it.
So little Marvin would getteased relentlessly for his
cross-dressing preacher father.
There was never any safe spacefor him.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
So it was kind of a public thing that he was
cross-dressing.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, because.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Really.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
I mean, from what I could find, like he would do
that in his house.
But you got to understand.
Like people's windows are openand shit, there's kids in the
street playing all the time.
Oh, they've seen it, yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Because I'd be making comments about your clothes.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Marvin's getting beat .
The shit's getting beat out ofhim in-house, and his father
don't really like him period.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
And this is what the 50s or the 40s, so he was born
in 39, so 40s, all the way up tothe 50s.
So the women's clothes in the40s was way fucking different
than me looking at you in somebadass pants and saying, damn, I
wish I had those.
Right, you know what I'm sayingand had those right I'm saying

(29:49):
and you're not beating ourfucking kids, and I don't really
wear your clothes, I just sayyou're not restricting our
children from watching orreading anything while you're
being a cross-dressing preacher,preacher yeah, in the name of
jesus.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
So this would actually lead marvin to have
suicidal thoughts starting inhis teen years he never did get
that acceptance well, he didn't.
He didn't have a safe space.
He was getting teased outsideof the home, he was getting beat
inside of the home, and that'sjust terrible.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
There's no safeness.
The only thing good in his lifewas music, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Well, it's like our kid went through some bullying
shit in school, but we were thesafe space for him at home.
Yeah, so when you don't haveanywhere and I grew up with this
when you don't have any safespace, it just puts a lot on
your on your mind, a lot on yourmind.
See, I was a bookworm and Iwould just get lost in books.

(30:39):
That was my safe space.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah, and our, our only faults are, you know,
letting him be in like thisfreelance, wide open kid that
can do whatever and be creativeconstantly, and then when he
doesn't get that, he kind ofcomes back at us a little bit.
Yeah, so we struggle with that,we do.
Everybody has faults and flaws.
We struggle with on our part,with how free our child is for

(31:05):
being creative Because he wantsto be 100% free, and he's only
11 years old.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
You can't let him do that.
No, no, you've got to haverestrictions on it.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
He's so used to being able to have that freedom and
be creative, musically,artistically, everything and we
support it so much that we needto bring that back into a
structural type and not everyoneunderstands, Like there was a
neighbor to the left of us.

(31:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
They have a little girl and he went over there
dressed in his leather face shitand it scared her when Silas is
just having a great time.
Yeah, In the middle of Junehe's walking around in leather
face stuff and a lot of peoplelove it and think it's hilarious
, but some parents are like getthe fuck away from my kid the
hundred houses in our wholeneighborhood.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
They know Silas Right and he walks by and does his
thing, because we let him do histhing.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
But he also dresses as Angus Young.
He will dress as Slash.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
He will dress as a construction worker, Like he's
just.
He wakes up every day and seeswhat I like the Hannibal Lecter
stuff that he was doing.
I know that was really cool.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
I think he'll come back to that when he's a little
older, yeah, when he understandsit more.
How cool is that?
Right now, he don't get it.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Too technical for him right now.
Well so Marvin.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
so for Marvin Gay Junior, his singing was his main
solace, as you said.
And then he started singingsecular music, doo-wop to be
exact and to make money, and ofcourse his dad hated that.
Dad was like you sing for theLord and that's it.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Oh yeah, while he's over here.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Well, Alberta, she loved it and supported it yeah.
And in his late teens he joinedthe Air Force.
But instead of learning how tofly, they just had him peeling
potatoes, and after nine monthshe was done with that shit.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Oh, you know how acidic potatoes are when you
peel like a hundred of them at atime.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
So acidic yeah your fingers are just like when I
peel one bag of them.
I'm like like I don't ever wantto look at a potato again.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
You feel like you've done some fucking work just in
one bag, but do it 100, 200 allday for nine months he did that
shit all day, every daydifferent uh, that was the 40s,
the late differentbases like he would go to
different and that's all theyhad him to, because
unfortunately, black men weren'tseen as equals yet and yeah,
that's so, yeah, so bad and hewas probably like I'm gonna be

(33:29):
in the military, I'm the airforce, I'm gonna do, but he was
dishonorably even though he onlydid nine months, he was, uh,
honorably discharged okay, notdishonorably right, honorably
just uh, so, but um.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
So he got out of the air force and formed a group
called the marquees and he works.
He worked with Bo Diddley.
You know Bo Diddley.
Yeah, we know Bo Diddley.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, it's Gainesville stuff right there.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
And then he joined the Moonglows and gained the
attention of Chuck Berry and thefounder of Motown Records,
barry Gordy.
Here we go, yeah, good stuff.
So he started out playing drumsfor Smokey Robinson and Stevie
Wonder Really yeah.
Then he played piano, so he hadto start at the bottom and work

(34:11):
his way up.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Smokey, and Stevie had already established their
Motown.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Oh yeah, they were already in.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
They had made the record.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
But I have to say, but he's like a touring drummer.
He would actually Hold on.
Let me get to where I'm goingand then I'll talk about this.
Okay, so, like I said, he wouldstart out playing drums for
Smokey and Stevie, then heplayed piano, he did backup
vocals and finally started towrite and sing his own songs.
Now he would get pissed offwhen he had established his

(34:41):
vocals and his name and hisabilities.
He had established his vocalsand his name and his abilities.
He would actually get pissedoff that Barry would put Stevie
on instead of him or shit likethat.
He started to get reallyselfish because, even though oh,
the competitiveness Right.
Yeah, even though he was workinghis ways, it wasn't really so
much selfish it was.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
He was trying to push his self and being competitive
toward his music and his art andcareer.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Right, well, even though, like I'm sorry, I'm team
Motown on even this.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
I know you're going to drop some shit on him, but
I'm still so supportive.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Well, Barry Gordy was an asshole, Okay, I mean so,
even though Marvin was stilltrying to pay his dues, he was
very aware of his own talent.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Okay, somewhat.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
We'll get a little more into that.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, he's like, my shit is the shit you need to be
playing my shit.
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Well, during this time he had also caught the
attention of Barry Gordy'ssister Her name was Anna who was
17 years older than Marvin,Uh-oh, he was 20.
She was 37.
And in 1963, they got married.
So that got him more into thefam, you know, into the Barry

(35:56):
Gordy fam, into the Motown, allof that that marriage helped his
career take off For sure.
So, and then, at this time, headded an E to the end of his
last name, the same as Sam Cookehad done, so his original name
is just G-A-Y.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Love some Sam Cooke.
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
And we're going to cover him later on too.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
There's some shit that happened to Sam Cooke.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
There's some shit there, lindsay.
So oh yeah, there is so muchtrue crime in the music world
and I do encourage you guys.
This man does not need pluggingat all.
I still think that hisproduction of every single
podcast, every episode that hedoes so, jake Brennan from
Disgraceland if you want to hearabout all the shit that can go

(36:42):
down with a music artist it'sproduced differently than us.
Yeah, it's a production.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
What was the one you and I did from?
Were we coming back fromOrlando or Tampa or something?
Oh, Brandon Lee, we did BrandonLee.
No, we did another.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
We'll have to go back .

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Satchmo.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
It was Satchmo Louis Armstrong.
Yes, huge activist for AfricanAmericans, so yeah.
Disgraceland does a great jobon covering music true crime.
Yeah, he's good.
Look them up.
Yeah, yeah, and I enjoy that.
I wish I could do that kind ofproduction.
I would need two more people.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Well, I prefer what we're doing now.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, I'd have to quit my job and do at least two
more people.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah, it takes him two weeks to produce one episode
.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
You're phenomenal yeah.
I think, we're doing goodthough.
Oh yeah, I enjoy doing ourlittle chats.
I think so too.
I enjoy this yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
So after Marvin started releasing hit after hit,
he became a sex symbol andwomen were all over him and he's
married, but he's still only 20years old.
He's making that bedroom music.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
And it said in the audio I listened to called soul
divided.
Very good, I recommend it 100.
I will put it in our instagramstory.
Marvin felt obligated to sleepwith literally all the women
that were throwing themselves athim oh what all of them?

(38:20):
he was dirty, all of them, yeah.
He also was writing songs likedancing in the oh what with as
many fans as he possibly could,and that could become quite
draining.
So he needed a pick-me-up.
You know what Rick James callsa hell of a drug Cocaine,

(38:41):
cocaine, yeah.
Now he had already been smokingmarijuana so much that he felt
like he was living his lifethrough a filter, and you know
that is as a person that haspartake, partaken in gardening
off and on throughout the yearssince I was about 16, that is
what it feels like you canfunction, but it feels like it's

(39:04):
through a filter.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, everything is just not real.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah, no, I don't want to say that, I don't want
to say not real, it just feelslike really I can't associate,
really no, you can't want to saythat.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
I don't want to say not real.
It just feels like I don'treally, I can't associate really
.
No, you can't.
It does something different tome.
Yeah, it does somethingdifferent to me.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
So I, I like, I like gardening, but I cannot function
successfully in life whiledoing it.
It's something that I have tobe at home and not have a care
in the world doing, or even likeat a festival.
I will take part in thosegardening setbacks.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
And we all have fun with like right.
You know what's going on in thehigh, and I've also learned
that certain strands do.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
I can't do it.
So I have learned that hybridis the best strand for me, where
it doesn't put me down, itdoesn't take me too far up
either, it's just the perfectmellow yeah, me and dr green
thumb we don't mix.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
I just it's not a cool vibe for me and gummies are
even hitting weird sometimesyeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's
literally hit or miss withgummies.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah, so cocaine gave him that extra drive that he
needed to push on that whitegirl?
Yes, but but then he becameerratic.
And am I fucking autocorrect?
So I've put paranoid but itautocorrected to paranormal.
He did not become paranormal,he became paranoid.
He was paranoid most of thetime and he would smoke more

(40:30):
weed to balance it out, andthat's just it.
It's a lot.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
That's a shitty balance.
That's a shitty balance.
Yeah, you don't want to walkthat line.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
But most people that use cocaine they snort it.
But Marvin Gaye he would eat itReally.
He ate it Num, num, num, num,num, num, num, num, num, num and
I guess that works for him.
And cocaine also helped withthe fact that marvin actually
hated performing live stagefright.
Really cocaine made it go awayI figured he would like all.

(41:00):
That's why I'm going.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
If uh, the feedback and all the girls.
Well, johnny cash, he would getrid of his stage fright through
the pills that he was taking.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
We have an episode on that.
Go back and listen.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yeah, check that out I didn't know that dirt on cash,
that was crazy.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Jamaica, wow yeah but so yeah, johnny cash, he would
take the pills, which would giveyou pretty much the same effect
as cocaine they were, so theywant to be 10 foot tall and
bulletproof right yeah and ithelped with their stage fright.
They could, and I, because thedemands you guys I don't know if
y'all know how demanding it isto travel from one city to the

(41:42):
next day after day and perform ashow every day for an hour and
a half to two, sometimes threehours If you're a headliner.
Yeah, we had Eddie Vedder forfour hours when we saw Pearl Jam
.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
He was in his fucking element.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
There was no opening band, it was just us and Pearl
Jam.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
And.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Vedder for four fucking hours, same with Stevie
Nicks.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Yeah.
Yeah, well, she was tellingstories in between that, but at
her age.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Well, their opening act was supposed to be the
Carpenters right, yeah,something like that.
She handled that, but her ather age.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
their opening act was supposed to be the carpenters,
right?
Yeah, something like that.
She handled that shit, but itwas.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
That's demanding, fucking phenomenal, you got to
put on the show for a packedfucking house like eddie.
Better had seats sold behindthe stage.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
I've talked about this in a previous episode.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
1500 seats, yeah, and turn that whole bitch around to
play for the people that werewatching the back of his head
the whole night.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, it's a lot.
Check out that episode.
It's a lot on a human.
I forgot what episode we addedthat in, but check it out.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
We put a lot on entertainers and promoters and
agents, and everybody puts a loton entertainers and they're
just human beings.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
They're doing all they can to give back for their
livelihood and the appreciationof what they've created.
So they're going to give backas much as they can, just like
Green Day, you know Right.
So it's really phenomenal, it'sreally fucking just.
I'm glad they give back.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Right.
So these days music charts arenormally categorized into genres
, but at that time white artistswere on one chart, which was
mainly pop, and black artistshad a different chart, mainly
r&b and motown.
They crossed right over intothe white charts, like motown

(43:26):
was the tits, all colors, alleverybody.
We were all listening to marvingay.
I wasn't there, but I stilllisten to marvin gaye.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah, and you know well, it kind of did that with
doo-wop a little bit too.
Yes it, it kind of turned overinto that a little bit motown
like, but motown was the full oncross.
Yeah, and I love that.
That's the.
The biggest reason why I lovemotown so much is because you
have everybody into that.
Even the funk brothers haddifferent races, different

(43:55):
people, different cultures,creeds.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Well, motown had artists like Diana Ross, yeah,
lionel Richie, which would comelater on after this.
We're still in the 60s here.
Who else?
Rick James?

Speaker 2 (44:07):
ended up getting on Smokey Robinson, smokey Robinson
, but it was just.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Stevie Wonder.
Yeah, and it was just Stevie.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Wonder yeah, yeah, and it was a lot of black
artists, but like and back thenthey still called him little
Stevie Wonder because he was soyoung yeah.
The bands that all got together, they brought them up off the
streets and they let them beexposed and play their music.
And it's phenomenal, it reallyis, and Barry Gordy.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
He was actually already his, you know, he was
black and his family wasactually already successful and
he kind of got a jump on thatand he brought in a lot of
low-income struggling artistsand and boomed them right up.
Yeah, yeah, I really love thatthough so by 1969 things were a

(44:48):
little out of control.
Marvin was definitely cheatingon anna.
Anna was cheating on Marvin aswell, and they were constantly
throwing it in each other's face.
Marvin actually attemptedsuicide one night by locking
himself in a bathroom with a gun, but was talked down by Anna's
father, and this would happenmany, many more times.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
So he had the road and then when he got home it was
just drama Right, yeah Manymany more times.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
So he had the road and then when he got home, it
was just drama, right.
Yeah, like Mr Gordy Barry andAnna's father, he was like
another father to Marvin,because his own father was a
piece of shit, right?
So Marvin would also freak outon his friends and family
members and point guns at themand would disappear for days and
weeks, for days and weeks.
And all the while, his successis growing and growing and

(45:35):
growing, with the release of IHeard it Through the Grapevine,
which sold 4 million copies.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Back then.
That's huge, that was 1969.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
That's huge.
Yeah, that was the year of love, that was Woodstock year,
that's Jimi Hendrix status, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Well, in a different genre, because was more soul
where Jimmy was rock.
Yeah, I have to associate rockwith it because we love Jimmy
too.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Love Jimmy Hendrix.
We could probably do somethingon.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Jimmy too, oh yeah, well, I want to do a whole 27.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Club Month.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Oh yeah, let's do that.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
With Kurt and Janice and Jimmy and all the other
artists, we have a whole pictureof them.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
And who else was it?
Jim Morrison.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Jim, yeah, there's, a lot.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
There's a lot of shit in there, in all of their lives
, that fall into the true crimeworld, because true crime isn't
just murder, it's also just shitthat happens that people get
involved with.
That can be crime.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah Well.
And that fame and crime, yeahWell.
And that that fame and stardomand everything it all pushes
down on you.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Especially back then, like we talked about with
Johnny cash, like these guys hada lot of demands on them to to
perform, and your body as ahuman being cannot handle that
shit without something likethere's days that I can't get
through everything that I do inthe morning and then I have to
go to work at night without somekind of pump and I do my

(46:59):
naturally like well, I won't saycompletely naturally like but
I'm drinking a Celsius or acoffee.
I'm not snorting cocaine.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah, some kind of motivation that you can put.
You know you'd be like I'mgoing to drink this and I'm
going to kick ass, right, andthat mental thing and motivation
really helps out a lot, right?
Just a cup of coffee in themorning, cup of coffee, cup of
coffee.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Well, I start my day with pre-workout.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
You watch that dog that's been on there talking
about a cup of coffee in themorning, no Acting like Randy
Savage and shit Cup of coffee.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Well, in the early 70s Marvin's brother, frankie,
returned from Vietnam Because 72, I think, was when Vietnam
actually ended.
So this was right at 1970.
Frankie returned from Vietnamand Marvin was horrified from
his war stories.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
So he decides to write an album about it, called
what's going on.
Veterans wouldn't tell them toanybody because it was so
horrifying yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
And he had to fight hard to get this produced
because it was political, itwasn't sexy, like everything
else Marvin had already sangabout and um.
It didn't talk about love andit didn't talk about sex like
his songs before.
So this album and title trackwas released in January of 1971
and would top the Billboardchart, staying at number two for

(48:23):
five weeks.
50 years later, this same albumwould be number one on Rolling
Stone's top 500.
I looked it up and it's stillnumber seven.
Wow, yeah, lindsay, it's stillnumber seven.
Wow, yeah, lindsay, wow, stillnumber seven.
So Marvin sang a lot of duetswith other women, like Mary
Wells, kim Weston, tammy Tyrell,which she does the Ain't no

(48:48):
Mountain.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
And Diana Ross, and then Diana Ross.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
And Marvin and Tammy were.
You know they were iconic.
That song is iconic.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Right, they probably did tours together and
everything yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Well, that caused a lot of jealousy with Anna.
Oh yeah, all those duets withfemales which I mean that
happened back then a lot.
I mean just think about GarthBrooks with Trisha Yearwood like
that, and you know as a lot.
I mean, just think about GarthBrooks with Trisha Yearwood,
like that.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
As a listener, you would think that those guys are
doing something.
But they're just meeting in astudio and doing a song and if
they do it a couple of times onstage on a tour, or whatever.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
No baby.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Oh, that was a.
Thing.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Yeah, they're definitely most of the time
through.
Most of the cases I havelistened to, they're sleeping
with their duets.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
No, come on now.
We just talked about Jacoby andMaria Brink, come on.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
I said back in those days oh, in those days In those
days.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Well to me, though, my mindset is like they show up
to the studio, they do the song.
Well, look at Johnny and June,they might have this cool ass
connection and do this songtogether and produce something
that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Back in those days it was a little different.
Now it's more a corporate typeunion when they're just going to
the studio for the day.
Back then though they weretraveling together.
It's just a friendship andyou're just trying to put out
something amazing.
Back then they were spending alot more time together,

(50:14):
traveling together on the busnow they're just meeting up at a
studio recording each other'sparts.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
That's my mindset, yeah, so yeah, I get it.
I get it yeah damn so okay.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
So we're in the 70s now and marvin had been living
in a home given to him by barrygordy and he he kind of felt,
felt like Barry had given himpretty much everything he had,
because he kind of had, butMarvin was making the money he
was putting in the work.
But he wanted to move out to LAand bought a huge mansion for
his whole family, including hishateful-ass father, to move into

(50:48):
.
His family called this the bighouse and even though his dad
moved into this house, he hatedthat.
It was bought by his son thatplayed the devil's music and
still hated the relationshipthat Marvin had with his mom.
His dad even refused aninvitation to go on tour with
him.
Absolutely not.

(51:09):
If our kid makes it and sayscome on tour with us, we go,
we're going to do the whole tour, we go.
Yes, we'll have to do the wholetour, we going.
Yes, we'll have a leave ofabsence and we'll be gone.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
But if our son's famous, I'm sure he'll get my
own dressing room.
That way I can put your clothesin it, Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Yes, you'll be wearing my fishnets.
Yeah, you want to wear myskirts too, boo.
No, just shorty shorts.
No, no, not really.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
No, I mean I got good looking legs, but no, you do
have great legs.
I'm very jealous of yourmolecular structure out of your
fishnets.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Lindsey, I'm a cold chamber style like I work hard
every fucking day to try to getmy legs to look like yours do
naturally, asshole, sorry sorry,don't hate me, I mean I don't
at all.
The top is a potato guy and youhave no ass.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
I do not you don't want the ass, I do not want the
ass, but I just want your legsgive me your legs from the ass
down pass the ass down well,marvin and anna's relationship
would continue to decline.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
They were barely a couple at this point, constantly
cheating, constantly hurtingeach other, but they still were
married.
Well, while he's working on,let's Get it On with Ed.
Townsend, ed Townsend.
Do you know who that is?

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
So he sued Ed Sheeran because of his similarities
between let's Get it On andThinking Out Loud Really.
But Ed Sheeran'saron's likebitch, it's four chords, it's
the same four chords.
I cannot help that right,there's so many, so many songs.
Yeah, with those patterns, yeahwell, marvin is introduced to

(52:45):
what he thought was edtownsend's daughter, but it was
actually okay.
So he's introduced to janicehunter and she comes and hangs
out at the studio with her mom.
I'm going to do a little sidestory on Janice that I did not
write about.
This is all off the top of myhead.
So Janice she was the daughterof an addict and Janice's mother

(53:08):
could not.
She okay.
So Janice's mother was white,her father was black, so she was
mixed, which was kind of lookeddown upon.
In this time period, janiceactually had to live in a foster
home during the week andJanice's mother would pick her
up on the weekends and spendtime with her.
But by the time she was 14,janice was like I've had enough

(53:30):
of this bitch that runs thisfoster home, I want to come home
.
So Janice's mother was likealright, you're kind of at the
point where you can kind of takecare of yourself because, like
I said, Janice is so horrible.
Well, from the time Janice was 8years old, she was obsessed
with Marvin Gaye like 8 yearsold, all the way up finally, by

(53:52):
the time she was 17,.
Janice's mother knew someconnections and knew some people
that were in the music industryand also actors and all kinds
of shit.
I don't know how she wasconnected.
I didn't finish that audio bookwhich is Janice's book, my Life
with Marvin Gaye.
I didn't finish all of it, butI got some good pinpoints.

(54:12):
So Janice is obsessed withMarvin Gaye.
I didn't finish all of it, butI got some good pinpoints.
So Janice is obsessed withMarvin from eight years old.
She finally gets to meet him at17.
Now, at first it was supposedto be Marvin was supposed to
come sing for her birthday but,as we'll talk about later on, he
liked to skip out on shit likethat.
So he did not show up for her17th birthday.
But then her mother was invitedby Ed to come to the studio one

(54:35):
day when Marvin was going to berecording, and this is how
Marvin met Janice.
So Janice has been obsessed for10 years now.
So Marvin meets her and he'sinstantly smitten.
And there were some problemshere, though he was 33.
Yeah, she was 17.
Oh, which is so.
Here, though, he was 33.
Yeah, she was 17.

(54:56):
Oh, which is so strange to methe switchback.
Yeah, it's kind of theswitchback, so he's 17 years
older than Janice, and his wifeAnna is 17 years older than him.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Right, it's so weird, but he pursues this
relationship with Janice and hehides her up in a small house in
the Topanga Canyon in SantaMonica.
She gets pregnant and butunfortunately she loses that
baby.
Now he already has, I think,one or two children with Anna at

(55:27):
this point.
He continues to hide Janice fora while but eventually divorces
Anna and then marries Janice,like soon after, and they have a
successful pregnancy and atthis time now she's 22 and
Marvin is 40.
He absolutely loved Janice, buthis toxic traits were something

(55:48):
that he just really didn't havecontrol over.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
He didn't want to break them, yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
He would put Janice down about how she had gained
weight after the baby, and Idon't understand why people do
this Now.
You follow him as well, but Ifollow the Dalton Ain't Worried
account.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Yes, when Socko is getting big and he's like I
don't care.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Right, that's just like me.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
That's why I watch them so much.
He is a lot like me, he's sucha good dude.
She's a lot like you with thelittle metal shirts and the
cuteness.
She's in the background likeI'm just hanging with my man,
he's so happy, and I'm happybecause he's happy.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
They're successful now.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
I love them.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
So many people because I I click on the
comments and, even though I needto stop doing this because it
actually like brings me down, Idon't look at the comments on
them.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
No, he's all like, he's, he's like.
Why is everybody hating on mewhen I'm poor?

Speaker 1 (56:40):
now they're hating on me because I'm rich yes, I just
saw that one yesterday alsogirl, because me and you watched
some of that and we click onfucking well, so many people
comment on sako's weight gain oryou know, her postpartum body,
and it makes me sick.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
She's so beautiful Either way.
Dalton had to make a videoabout it, her little bubbliness,
reminds me of you.
So much, lindsay.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
But I just find it so sad.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
I really had to watch them because that reminds me of
you.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Oh, I relate to Socko , so much yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
And he reminds me of me a oh, I relate to Socko so
much, yeah.
And he reminds me of me a lottoo.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Yeah, well, it just made me so sad that Dalton even
had to make a video about that.
Like, shut the fuck up For allyou people that will just sit
there and comment aboutsomebody's body.
I'm not saying us.
I think our listeners arebetter than that.
But if for some reason, you'relistening to this episode and
you will down somebody's body,don't do that.

(57:34):
It's hard for a lot of women tobounce back.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
I love that couple so much.
They remind me of us so much Imean, yeah, it's like I myself.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
I have never been thin and after having four kids
and trying to achieve my bodygoals in my 40s, it's hard.
It's like swimming against thecurrent Like I will.
I eat very healthy, I work outfive days a week.
I, I, I uh, splurge on theweekends and then we drink, but
I drink seltzer.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
But you don't have to aspire to what the public
fucking wants.
You know, it's just my ownpersonal body goals.
I'm hard on myself, you know.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
that's all that matters, but I just that just is
so.
And people that are influencersor popular on social media,
they know.
They know to not look at thosenegative comments and let them
fuck with them, because even thenegative commenters are
engaging in their posts, whichearns them more money, so y'all
are just helping them out reallyso whatever, well, anyway.

(58:33):
I just never look back tomarvin yes, oh god, I look so
hard that I will click on thepeople's profiles that are
commenting negative and y'allain't got no room y'all ain't
got no room to fucking talk shutthe fuck.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
So far, though, lindsey, this whole story.
I've just been riding thefucking wave of supporting
Motown and even Marvin Gaye.
He's a shitty fucking dude fordoing stuff with women, and I
don't get a lot into Barry Gordy, but he was a shitty dude as
well.
I mean.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Motown Records, though, is very successful, and
they gave us a lot of good music, so I'm going to leave it at
that.
We can still love Motown, it'sokay yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
It's okay to love Motown, so you're fixing to drop
bombs, though, here in a minute, right On Marvin.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Well, it's not on Marvin himself.
Just let me tell the story.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Okay, yeah, go ahead.
So anyway, like I said, back toMarvin, so he would show all
kinds of toxic behaviors and inlater views he actually admits
to it and he's very sorry for it.
But, like I said, he reallydidn't know how to control it.
He was eating cocaine, doingall the bullshit, and that just
made him a different person.

(59:40):
He would actually swerve thecar on purpose, acting like he
was going to kill the wholefamily.
He would cheat and actuallyencourage Janice to cheat on him
, like he would have fantasiesabout her being with other
people and he would encourageher to do it.
He would actually book thehotel rooms for her to get it on

(01:00:05):
.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
He wanted that toxic shit around him.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Now, I did not know this, but Marvin was in a
rivalry with Teddy PendergrassReally, teddy P, teddy P, teddy
P, teddy P.
And Janice has an affair withhim and Marvin nearly stabs her
over it and wanted to take hisown life.
Well, saying this love iskilling me, what?

(01:00:32):
Well, saying this love iskilling me.
Now what?
It is speculated that marvingaye jr, our star that we're
talking about here.
He struggled with his ownsexuality and there are rumors
of him sleeping with other men,and some of these men were men
that he pushed janice intohaving affairs with wow, richard
pryor richard, that's just aspeculation.

(01:00:56):
I'm just saying that.
I've heard that in a few thingsthat I've listened to about
marvin gaye huge activist, hugemovie star, huge richard pryor
was an abusive piece of shit too, though he had he Demons.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
I love him to death though.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
We wouldn't have.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Eddie Murphy without Richard Pryor.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
We wouldn't have fucking Gene Wilder man.
I love.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
No, he brought Gene up.
He really did as far as comedy,but that black and white
combination of combo is one ofthe best things I've ever
watched in my life.
It's so abrasiveive and youcan't do that what's the other
one that I like?

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
hear no evil, see no evil, yeah yeah, you can't do
that now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
You cannot do that now.
Fucking blazing saddles.
Could you imagine them puttingout something like blazing
saddles now?
No, canceled, but we neededthat.
We needed that for our dna.
I mean, I get it.
People move on, generationsmove on, and it's not acceptable
and it's not right for us tothink and you and I never

(01:02:03):
thought that that wasappropriate by any means but the
comedy that come out with it,because people were just they.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
They used um, they used race and everything very
loosely, and it was a jokebecause we didn't see it that
way I like nobody that makes funof issues that are going on in
the world, because it makes it alittle more lighthearted.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Yeah, and people hold that so dear and being so
charismatic toward um, you knowwell, you can't do that.
You can't say that.
Do this a joke to us, becausewe don't think that way, you
know.
So that's why that flew offBlazing Saddles blew.
It was.
I didn't think that way, so itwas just a joke.
You know.
I know that they were sayingjokes.
You know, even Cat Williamssays a lot of shit like that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
I can literally recite most of his stand-up word
for word.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
But he uses a lot of races and everything that
everybody holds on to as a joke,because we don't live in that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Well, cat has also predicted a lot of the bullshit
that we've seen unfold over thelast couple of years too.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
I'm like Cat Williams said that shit yeah.
Like about Diddy Nostradamus ofour age.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Well, I mean when I got obsessed with him in the
late 2000s, when he firststarted getting really popular.
I did like, of course, I did awhole Google research on him.
He was a child prodigy, so he'svery smart.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Oh, he's fucking genius Insanely smart, yeah, and
he understands just like us.
He has that same brainwavethought where?
It's just like, if you're goingto say all that bullshit, we're
just going to laugh about itbecause it's bullshit to begin
with, and he I mean, he LikeDave.
Chappelle, you know, it's likethey're going to use all this
race and all this narrative andall this shit they're trying to
pump into everybody's head, youknow.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
but we're way beyond that, we're way right, like I
said, they're just making fun ofissues at hand to make them a
little more light-hearted,because people, even though life
sucks, you want to laugh about,yeah, the sucky parts of it and
make it not so bad that they'retrying to control you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Anyhow, we've been sidetracking so much on this
episode because I am still teamfucking.
You know I love this genre ofmusic, so you don't have to not
like it I'm not gonna drop thatbig of a palm.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
This has nothing to do with motown records this,
these bombs I'm gonna drop.
Motown is my nut sorry so okay,like I said, even though he was
pushing affairs on janice likealmost pressuring her to have
them, he did not approve ofTeddy Pettigrass After this,
after, like, he pulls a knife onJanice and almost ends his own

(01:04:40):
life right in front of her.
Janice left him and he was nowpaying out loads of money to
Anna and Janice and he also owedthe IRS a shit ton of money
because he hadn't been payinghis taxes.
Oh yeah, he pushed on to makemore albums and even though he
knew the exes would be gettingpart of the royalties especially

(01:05:01):
Anna that was like in theirdivorce agreement he would keep
making more and, of course, hehad to pay for his three square
meals a day of cocaine Threesquare meals.
He did take a break for asecond breakfast.

(01:05:22):
Yeah, right now.
He did take a break for alittle bit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
It wasn't very long and he wanted to play football
Really?

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Yeah, so he would also disappear, he.
He did this quite often and hewent to Hawaii for seven months
and lived in a van.
Wow Lived in a van.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
I want to go to months and lived in a van.
Wow lived in a van.
I want to go to hawaii and livein a van I would too.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Yeah, especially when you're trying to avoid all your
um creditors and people thatyou're having to, that would be
a great escape back.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
So all the tumultuous fucking shit that he's created,
it just keeps building up onhim like he's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
he is putting out successful content right day
after day, but he's still owingmoney constantly because he's
got a very first of all, he'sgot a very expensive habit, he's
got two people that he's got topay out alimony and child
support to, and then he's notpaying his taxes, so his debt is
just racking up constantly.
Yeah, so he eventually went ontour in the uk, but his

(01:06:14):
performance anxiety kicked inonce again and he didn't show up
for many of these.
Yeah, because he wouldn't beable to do it.
Wow, that's tough, though Imean it's pressure.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
And one of these performances included performing
for Princess Margaret that heducked and dodged, ducked and
dodged on Princess Margaret.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
And she was the cool hip princess.
Like she liked parties.
She loved Marvin Gaye Right,and what I she was like the die
before princess die.
Yeah yeah, what I learned fromthe audiobook I listened to
about this what had happened washe was postponing his
appearance and they were justconstantly like princess

(01:07:04):
margaret's people was likeplease come, please get here,
princess margaret is waiting,you don't want to leave her
waiting.
Well, when he finally was likeall right, I'm going to the
venue, it was raining, the busgot delayed and then, literally,
as he's pulling up, it was amidnight and princess margaret
had been like I'm done waitingand she was leaving and then,

(01:07:26):
when he got on stage, theypulled curtain like 20 minutes
into his performance.
Yeah, well, and like this was ahuge story back in the day,
like it was on headlineseverywhere that he snubbed,
princess Margaret.
Now, after this, he ended upspending a lot of time in Europe
, actually around almost threeyears.
A man named Freddy Cusser hewas a concert promoter and he

(01:07:49):
took Marvin in said all right,we're going to get you cleaned
up and we're going to get youback on track and Marvin would
live with him and his family inBelgium for some time.
And Marvin loved Belgium Likehe loved his time there.
I like the waffles oh yeah, metoo.
And the sausage yeah.
So CBS bought him out fromMotown Records Wow, it's like

(01:08:11):
for over a million dollars.
Really, that was a lot at thattime, time to come on over, and
he decided this was time for acomeback, and that's when.
Sexual Healing was born.
Yes, he won like nine Grammysthat year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
That's a beautiful song, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Well, that whole album's great when I get that
feeling.
But on this Sexual Healing,them's great when I get that
feeling.
But on this, on this tour he heliterally had his cocaine
dealer.
Okay, so here's marvin in themiddle, all right, he had his
cocaine dealer in a room on oneside of him and he had a priest
in a room on the other side ofhim and they were like all

(01:08:50):
conjoining so he's like goingover here and doing his coke and
then going and like confessinghis sins to the priest.
It was insane.
But his paranoia is so bad nowthat he had his brother come on
tour with him and be like kindof like his bodyguard and his
body double because they lookvery similar.

(01:09:10):
So he would use Frankie as adecoy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Wow, so like.
But drugs will make youparanoid, right yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
and marvin felt like somebody was always out to get
him and I have noticed literallyfrom listening to disgrace land
that artists have fuckingpsychos following them all the
time.
Taylor swift, there was thisdude that ended up in her
fucking house that is extremelysecured, like security

(01:09:37):
everywhere.
He, this dude, ended up in herbathroom twice.
What?

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
yes, dude, that's scary at two different locations
because she's got houseseverywhere like taylor swift.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
She can like.
She like poops out a song everymorning.
You know I mean poops out ofhouse every afternoon and you
know I mean not a lot of peopleare a fan of Taylor Swift, that
listen to the same genres thatwe do, but I think she is
talented as fuck.
Yeah, sorry, she is golden.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
You got to give credit where credit is due, yeah
, so in 1982, marvin Gaye Sr.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
He moved back alone to his home in Washington that
he had been renting out while hestayed at the big house in LA.
The previous tenants had leftand he wanted to fix it up and
sell it.
Well, alberta, she became verysick and Marvin Sr did not come
back for six months and thismade Marvin Jr very angry.

(01:10:30):
Well, marvin Jr, he would takecare of her when he could in
between touring and being out onthe road.
So all the other kids are alsoliving in this same area in the
big house Jeannie and Sweetsie.
They were there.
Frankie was there, so she hadsupport, but her fucking husband

(01:10:51):
was gone that she had beenmarried to her whole life.
In 1984, marvin Sr moved back tothe big house in LA just in
time for Marvin to end his tour.
Now Marvin's room again.
He likes to be in the middle ofeverything.
It was right in between hisfather's and his mother's
because they hadn't slept in thesame room in years and, per his
paranoia, there were gunseverywhere for protection.

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Marvin has now graduated fromsnorting and eating cocaine to
freebasing it, smoking it.
This made his paranoia worse,but he still had women and
dealers coming in and out of thehouse constantly, and this made
his father very angry, like.
I'm sorry.

(01:11:34):
Marvin Sr, first of all, fuckyou.
I don't agree with Marvin'slifestyle whatsoever, marvin.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Jr's, but he set him up for the whole lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
This is his house and even though you don't like how
he's making the money, you'restill benefiting from it, for
sure, marvin Sr.
Yeah, so fuck you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
His whole fucking lifestyle, his whole existence
is because of Marvin Jr.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
On March 31st 1984, word had gotten to Marvin Sr
that Martin Jr's debts hadescalated, and now the house may
be seized by the IRS.
He'd owed over a milliondollars.
Wow, which is four million intoday's money.
You imagine how it's changedbetween then and now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
It's so inflated it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
And now, Plus, he owed child support in alimony
payments along with other debts.
There was an insurance documentthat Alberta couldn't find, and
Marvin Sr was ranting andraving about it the entire day
and went on into the next.
Marvin's sisters came over fromthe guest house with breakfast

(01:12:42):
for Alberta and Alberta offeredthat breakfast to Marvin Jr, and
this sent his father over theedge.
Now, alberta only did thisbecause Marvin still kind of
fresh off tour, he's drained, hewas, you know, had lost some
weight, and she was like youneed to eat, son, that's it but.

(01:13:03):
And that breakfast was for her.
But Marvin senior got mad thatshe didn't offer it to him.
I guess I don't know.
So he yelled at Alberta fromdownstairs and then Marvin Jr
provoked him.
His father came running up thestairs yelling and Marvin Jr
shoved his father to the ground,punching and kicking him.

(01:13:25):
Alberta intervened and thenMarvin Sr went to his room,
grabbed a handgun that his sonhad given him for Christmas and
I think it was a .38, and shothis son, marvin Gaye Jr, right
in the heart and then fired itagain into his shoulder.
Now the first bullet hadalready ricocheted all through

(01:13:45):
his fucking body Like it haddamaged his lungs, everything.
Wow, lindsay.
Well, frankie heard Frankie,marvin's younger brother.
He heard the gunshots andcalled 911 and then, laid down
beside his brother, marvin Jrsaid I got what I wanted.
I couldn't do it myself, so Ihad him do it.
It's good.

(01:14:06):
I ran my race and there'snothing left in me.
And he was declared dead onarrival at the hospital that day
.
Oh fuck, it was literally theday before he turned 45.
Oh my God, did you know thatthat's how Marvin Gaye died?
No, I didn't At all.
No, daddy, just couldn't, didyou?

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
know that that's how Marvin Gaye died.
No, I didn't At all.
No, daddy, just couldn'tfucking take, it Couldn't take
it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
And it's crazy because it's like it's almost
from the start that this wasgoing to happen eventually.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Well, it's like you know, you aspire to please your
father and you can never getthere.
You can't get there and then hemurders you, murders you.
What the fuck kind of salad isthat?
Right, god?

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Well, marvin Sr.
He would claim that Marvin Jrhad lost his shit and he was
just protecting himself from hisson who was high on cocaine.
What was also found?
That Marvin Sr had awalnut-sized tumor on his brain.
But it was known, and he hadsaid it on many occasions

(01:15:12):
publicly, that if Marvin Jr everraised a hand to him, he would
kill him.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Really, and it's just that's fucking horrible.
That's fucking horrible.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, jr did someshit.
Oh yeah, junior did some shit.
Oh, he did a lot of shit hedidn't take care of a lot of
shit, but he didn't really doshit to bring up something like
that.
He didn't.
He set his dad up for fuckingsuccess, gave him a house all of

(01:15:37):
his lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Even Marvin's successful life was just in pure
turmoil the whole time.
He was always in debt.
He was always in debt.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
He was always in drama, so while he was home from
tour the tour was a break.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
He was abusive himself.
There was a getaway, yeah yeah,and he became abusive himself.
He was abusive to Anna.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
He was abusive to Janice, I could see the whole
coming home afterwards and therewere other side pieces.
Like you, do your tour and youcome home afterwards, like you
do your tour and you come homeand it's just drama, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Well, and there was other side pieces that would
come out and say that he hadmistreated them as well.
Marvin Jr.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Oh, he was slinging everywhere.
So yeah, he was slinging thesexual healing.
So it gives his music just alittle bit of a different, a
little dirt, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
When let's Get it On came out and he was dating
Janice like she was 17 years old, and he was singing that about
her yeah, or he was singing thatto her, oh, not about her,
because he had already writtenit before then.
And he was dicking downeverybody in the whole country,
but every song that came outafter him and Janice got
together was for her.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Like he was.
He was kind of infatuated withher Very much with Janice.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Yes, her, like he was , he was kind of infatuated with
very much with janice, yes,okay, so thousands would attend
the soul singer's funeral,including, uh, both of his
ex-wives and children, and hisband played his music and I
think it was like an 18 pieceband, like he had this a huge
band right that played behindhim brothers were there too,
probably.
Yeah, ste Stevie Wonder andSmokey Robinson both sang and
the next day he was cremated andhis ashes were spread by his

(01:17:10):
family along the sea.
Wow.
As for Marvin Sr, his tumor wasremoved and he was deemed fit
to stand trial for the murder ofhis son, but he continued to
say that the shooting was inself-defense.
After 49 years of marriage,alberta, she was done Finally.
Yeah, he killed her son, butshe did post his bail.

(01:17:33):
Oh, yeah, wow, she says okay.
So in the book that I listenedto, it's called Soul Divided.
I think I already said it oncein this episode, but I
definitely encourage ourlisteners to either read it or
listen to it on audible.
That's where I found it was onaudible.
It's really good.
There's a there's a differencebetween love and Stockholm, I
guess, yeah, where you just live, she was in that era where you

(01:17:56):
just didn't divorce your fuckinghusband, you just took what
came out to you, like we'vetalked about in our you know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
That's why, well, that's why I said that it was
just like there's a differencebetween love and just being so
completely complicit with allthe drama and everything.
You can't get away from it andyou just go back to it because
that's your livelihood, I guesswe'll check this out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
He was convicted of involuntary manslaughter and
only got five years probationfor the murder of his son.
And an iconic singer.
Wow.
Five years probation.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
For killing.
I mean, Marvin did some shit.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
And it was some drama .

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Yeah, he was toxic as well.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Wasn't worthy of murder, he was raised in
toxicity.
And it's also said, wasn'tworthy of murder.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
He was raised in toxicity and it's also said,
wasn't worthy of it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
What's?

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
also said To me that Marvin Sr Was raised in a very
abusive home himself.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
The most dramatic thing, so it just kept on going.
Yeah, there was nothing toodramatic to go.
Get in your car and fucking goaway.
Nothing, you walk away and ifand if somebody's beating your
ass while you're walking out thedoor, just keep fucking walking
, just leave.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
And if you can't impress your father by being a
childhood prodigy of music froma young age, don't try to
impress him anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
You can't.
He's unimpressable.
Yeah, you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Fuck his opinion.
If he's still going to continueto treat you like shit the rest
of your life and down you forhow you're making your money,
fuck his opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Always be prideful of your children, even if they're
being little, shitty assholes.
Be prideful in moments you know.
Make them know that they areaccepted.
Make them know that, no matterwhat they do, they're allowed to
.
They're allowed to mess up, butthey're also appreciated and
loved.
Always look at them and showthem that you're proud of them,

(01:19:51):
no matter what.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Well, that's like when I have rough days with
Silas.
He'll still ask me at the endof the day if there's something
cool that he's done.
Are you proud of me?
And I will tell him.
I'm very, very proud of yourcreativity, but we need to work
on your respect and your actionstowards me and your father,
because those need to becorrected.

(01:20:12):
But your creativity is on point.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
We always support the pride of his creativity and
just his self, like his and justlife and livelihood and what he
comes up with.
We're proud of that.
But you're allowed to bedisciplined, you're allowed to
be, you know, a kid and you gotto learn and that's all I always

(01:20:36):
bring it back to is justteaching.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
Right, but that concludes our story of Marvin
Gaye Jr.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
RIP.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
Yes, ip yes.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
And I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
Rest in peace because you sure didn't have any while
you were on earth.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
No, and I'm so sorry for that.
No peace, no peace, no peace,no peace.
Well, thank you, lindsay.
You are something else overhere.
You're trying to throw shade atone of my favorite genres of
music.
But, I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
He wasn't.
Barry Gordy could have been adifferent person too, I mean
yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Thank you guys for listening so much.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
There's also one more audio book that I started.
I didn't finish, but it gave mea lot of insight into Janice.
It's called my Life with MarvinGaye by Janice Gaye and it's
really good.
I mean what I listened to sofar.
I listened to the entire bookof A Soul Divided.
It's about six hours on Audible.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
I get so charismatic when it comes to music because I
love Marvin Gaye.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
I love.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
Johnny Cash.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
This is our second artist that we've done so far,
and we're going to do morebecause we're very passionate
about music.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Yeah, and I'm on team .
We were on team Cash.
That is one of your favoritegroups ever.
Johnny Cash is your favoriteartist ever.
Marvin Gaye was one of myfavorite and it's because of his
story.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
It's so fascinating to me, yeah, and this one was
too, because I'm like theseiconic artists that we follow
and this talent that we praiseand worship.
They are just human.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Yeah, they're just human beings and looking at the
big picture and touring and whatit takes to actually get on
that stage, I understand all ofthe drama and the bullshit Well,
and sometimes it's hell forthem just to put their art out
into the world.
It's a lot for them to dealwith and they can't?

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
some humans, talented or not, cannot deal with what
the world demands of them afterfame?
Right and okay.
So the book that Janice has putout.
It's called After the Dance myLife with Marvin Gaye by Janice
Gaye, and it's really good whatI listened to so far.
I'm going to continue listeningto it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
So check all that out .

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
And that one is almost eight hours, wow, yeah,
it's on Audible, but DividedSoul is from front to finish
amazing, wow.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
That's really good.
Thank you, Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
I want to try to play some music now.
What band are we plugging thisweek?
I have a cool-ass band.
A-i-t-a is AIDA.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
I'm just excited about it or AIDA.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
AIDA, but they're fucking phenomenal.
Oh I excited.
Or aida, aida, but they'refucking phenomenal.
Oh, I'm excited to hear I gotthis cool ass song called out of
reach, so I'm gonna play thatshit right now.
You guys, check it out andfollow this band.
We're gonna share the link andall that stuff.
Check them out, check them out.
We'll be right back.

(01:23:59):
And dress up and stretch out andkeep on bleeding.
It's all worth the effort.
You kill time, you rewind, youstay busy in your life.
Anything to stop you fromsitting and listening this here

(01:24:22):
means everything to me.
My years went trying to be andI've been chasing after sleep To
reach a dream barely out ofreach.
Get up once more.

(01:24:44):
I know that you're unsure andtry to outrun your Incessant
dilemmas.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
I may want to give up Undated projections and try to
keep up With all of thesepressures.
This here means everything tome.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
Right here is where I'm trying to be and I've been
chasing endlessly.
To reach a dream that we areout of reach, out, out out of

(01:25:35):
reach, out, out out of reach,just here, means everything to
me.
Right here is where I'm tryingto be, and I've been chasing

(01:26:02):
after the dream To reach a dreambarely out of reach, guitar
solo.

(01:27:04):
So so, lindsay, I love thatsound, it is so beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
Very cool, very groovy.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Very cool.
It was like dancing with ghosts.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
But reach out to us and let us know how to pronounce
you guys correctly.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
A-I-T-A.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
I want to say A-I-D-A .

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Yeah, out of Baltimore.
Yep, they're based out ofBaltimore.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Their bio says that they're Baltimore-based, a
high-energy pop-punk band thatburst onto the scene in
September of 2023.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
I have to bring up Dancing with Ghosts because
that's a Jacksonville band.
That's just phenomenal.
Just love that style of music.
It's so energetic, so fun.
Pop punk with a girly twist.
I love it.
Really good stuff.
Come down to florida and playwith dancing with ghost, yeah
that'd be cool, yeah, I meanbaltimore is quite a bit of ways
.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Are we gonna go through baltimore?

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
we are going through baltimore when we go to maine.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Yeah, that'll be in september.
We'll take you guys with us.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
We're taking you guys with us, we're going to, we're
going to talk about LizzieBorden that week.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
Yeah, that's my plan.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
I bought Lindsay A bedroom.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
We're going to have to take some sage Even though,
in Lindsay's bedroom.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
We're staying in Lindsay's bedroom, lindsay.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
Yes, bedroom lindsey.
Yes, I know, stay in it, I havemy opinions on lizzie.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
So I'm not really scared actually about that.
Thank you, I'm not scared aboutthat.
I was scared about buying thebed of lindsey's in lindsey's
bedroom.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
I don't think lizzie did it, but so I'm not really
scared.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
But I don't know anything about it, so I know,
yeah, I don't but lindsey'sgonna be standing in lindsey's
bedroom, lizzie, lizzie.
She's staying in Lizzie'sbedroom.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
I don't know, I'm probably saying that now it was
Lizzie and her sister's bedroomright, yes, yeah, I bought her a
room.
Emma, I think Is that right InLizzie and Emma's bedroom.
Yes, and we're going to do apod.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
We're going up to Maine and we're coming back and
the biggest thing is we're goingto Salem.
She loves Salem.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
Yes, I want to go to Salem so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
But the bomb I dropped on Lindsey is.
We're staying in Lizzie'sbedroom.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
But you know what I want to do If this reaches you
guys.
So, elena and Ash from Morbid,jake Brennan from Disgraceland I
know both of y'all areBoston-based Hit me up.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Yeah, I want to meet you guys so bad, come and hang
out at the Borden house with us.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
Fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
But the band was amazing, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
So Elena and Ash stayed there as well.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
I'm so happy that I find these groups and sharing
their music from all over theworld.
Now we're all global.
I know we're all global.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
I know we're global, it's kind of intimidating but
awesome all at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Thank you, guys for following us all the way to this
point.
Share and likeDrinkAboutSomethingsite, but I
want to plug our email againDrinkAboutSomethingPod at
gmailcom.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Send us your stories, send us cases that you want us
to cover, because Jesse knowsnothing.
No, I really don't Even if heknows a little bit about it, he
doesn't know much about it.
So what story do you want tohear me tell Jesse?
That's going to just break hissoul.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Yeah, I was broken a little bit about this.
I'm really missing the songsthat Marvin could have put out
after this.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
And would you have?
I mean, you would have neverthought that his own father was
the cause of his death, and it'sabout time for the recreation.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
I didn't even know that Marvin Gaye was dead, so
like after so many years youhave recreations like Swing
Music came back.

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
And he died when we were mere babies.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
Motown's got to come back.
Motown needs to come back.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
It kind of did a little bit you know here and
there, but we need a full-onmotown comeback for jesse.
You know what?
I'm hearing a lot that's coming.
The new wave sound is reallypopular with that, with the
young, with the young againremember the band orgy that came
back well like I'm talkingabout right now but that was
like some metal style.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
But we need a full-on new wave.
But I want full-on fuckingMotown dude, I want it to come
back for a while it will.
And people doing just groupsand playing big band
orchestrated fucking groovingmusic.
Needs to come back Some funk.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Yeah, Motown needs to come back with the awareness
that we have today.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
Yeah, how to treat people.
Yeah, that was great Good story, lindsay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
But I got my rattle cup because, yeah, I'm still
drinking about this, becausethis story like it, it saddened
me, it really did me too.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
It really did and I was kind of plugging a whole
bunch because I'm on team Motownand I'm somber right now
because we missed an icon thatshouldn't have went away.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
I always because I have OK.
So I don't agree witheverything that my father taught
me at growing up.
I don't agree with all of thosebeliefs, but I still had a
great caring father.
So it really saddens me, likeeven with my older three boys.
It really saddens me when a manhas a father that's not good to

(01:32:13):
them, or anybody a man or awoman that are constantly trying
to seek that person's approvalthat they'll never get, because
that person is just a selfish,awful human.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
I support that approval because you don't want
that to be a backlash for lateron child.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
You support that approval?
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
I support approving kids.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
As far as you know what I'm saying, Like you want,
you want.
You're saying that you want toapprove the kids, not your
parents approval, Like you had a.
You know I had some drama andstuff growing up and started out
, but but I always fall back onyes, we do support you, we do
love you, we do approve of you.
You're, you're, validated youknow, and you got to do that and

(01:33:00):
but you got to let them becreative.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
We let our son be too creative, sometimes without
being positively constructive,and we've let his creativity and
his awesomeness cloud ourpunishment, sometimes, of things
that he's done wrong we do.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Because we want him around us, because he's so
awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
He's so cool but he's got things to work on.
But that's just being a kid andwe're working on it and it can
really get to me at times,because I've had such issues out
of all my children.
It puts a toll on you.
Yeah, as far as kid struggles.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
let us know what your kid's struggles are too,
Because ours is 11.

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
Our, youngest Child together, our child together.
And the youngest Mine, theyoungest of four, at 11, he is
creative beyond the point ofadulthood sometimes, but he
struggles with academics.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
Yeah, and so that's the problem, because we do
homeschooling and Lindsay helpsout so much with that, and it's
a tough struggle, it is.
It's a tough struggle, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
Especially when I'm trying to keep a structure and a
schedule the same as a schoolday, even though we get done
with our stuff much quicker thana school day, because I'm
teaching one child, not 30.
So that makes spread out,spread out.
Just getting him to stayfocused for those two hours

(01:34:24):
makes me really appreciate whathis teachers in the past have
went through, where they havesix hours of my child.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
But on our side we always stay positively motivated
.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
Teachers aren't paid enough.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
No, they're not, lindsay, they're not.
But hey, thank you guys fortuning in so much.
We love all the fans andfollow-ups and feedbacks and all
the F-words.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
Yes, Followers feedbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
And fuckery, because Lindsey be throwing some fuckery
here.
We'll see you guys next Friday.
We're going to talk about someRockville shit, yes, and we're
going to play a band and there'sgoing to be some vocals from
one of the bands that's going tobe on there.
So I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
Yeah, and next week we're going to talk about a DID
case.
Ooh.
So we'll tie that in Adissociative identity disorder
case, which I haven't reallydone yet.
Oh, there's been.
I think that there's been somepeople who have undiagnosedly is
that a word Suffered from thatissue because it was early and

(01:35:23):
it wasn't talked about very much.
But this is a case that, um, itchanged a lot of the new ways
that we do.
Um, you know that we try thingsbecause this person so I'm
going to just give a little hintdevelop 2500 personalities what
the fuck lindsey.
So our next case we're going tobe talking about.

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