EPISODE 31: The 2,500 Faces of Jeni Haynes

The human mind's capacity to protect itself is both remarkable and haunting. When four-year-old Jeni Haynes began suffering unimaginable abuse at the hands of her father, her developing brain created an extraordinary defense mechanism – dissociating into multiple personalities. Not just a few, but an astonishing 2,500 distinct alters emerged to help her survive seven years of torture.

Symphony, a perpetually four-year-old girl, became the first alter to shield Jeni from the worst of the trauma. Each personality had their own appearance, voice, and role – from Little Ricky who decided which alter would take over during abuse, to Muscles who remained calm in the face of horror. These weren't just psychological constructs; scientific studies have shown that in DID cases, brain waves physically change as alters take control.

The physical damage inflicted on Jeni was as devastating as the psychological. Permanent injuries to her eyesight, jaw, bowels, and reproductive system left her unable to have children and dependent on a colostomy bag. Yet for decades, her desperate attempts to find help were met with disbelief or overwhelmed therapists who couldn't handle the severity of her case.

Justice finally became possible in 2009 when Detective Paul Stamolis and psychiatrist Dr. George Blair-West believed her story. In a groundbreaking court case a decade later, Jeni's alters took turns testifying against her father, providing detailed memories that her primary personality couldn't access. After just two hours of this extraordinary testimony, her father changed his plea to guilty and received a 45-year sentence.

Jeni's story reveals both the darkest aspects of humanity and the incredible resilience of the human spirit. By sharing her experience, she's helped advance understanding of DID and shown that healing – while never complete – is possible even after the most profound trauma. What would you do if your mind was your only safe haven, and even that was invaded?

LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK!!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Jesse.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Lindsey, I'm fucking excited and hello.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Oh my God, I know we can't stop talking about it.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
We just spent 30 minutes planning out our
schedule for the lineup atRockville.
Yes, and I'm excited.
There's like five key bands andthe rest of them I mean we've
seen many a times but I'mexcited and as long as I get
those key bands I'm good.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
So what we're going to do, guys, is we're going to
give y'all a little rundown ofeverybody that we're going to
see and then on Sunday, butit'll come out, we'll put it out
on Wednesday.
You want to do that?
Yeah, okay, a little early.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, maybe Thursday.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
We'll do a recap of our experience with all these
bands, bands which, most of them, we have already seen, but
every time it's somethingdifferent and we can't wait to
see them again so, and if youare catching this on a wednesday
or thursday whenever as soon asI put it out and you're
catching it check us out at theorange lot.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
We'll be doing a little pod there on sunday at 10
o'clock in the morning so youcan come and check us out.
Come, hang hang out.
Listen to the story Lindsay hasfor that too.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, well, we're going to put this episode out on
.
This episode will be out onFriday, so we'll already be day
two.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, we'll already be at Rockville, at Rockville,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
So if you're there, come check us out.
We'll be at the Orange Lot.
We will have our 10 yearanniversary flag and our drink
about something, pod flag flyingin the wind, flying in the wind
around, around turn four area.
So yes, our, our bestie is goingto get our camping spot for us

(01:35):
so we can meet there on Thursday.
But this is our little rundownof who all we are going to see,
rundown of who all we are goingto see.
So on thursday our first bandwill be uh, so we're going to

(01:57):
check out blue october crossfade.
Yes, they're back.
Yes, all right.
Um, guar, guar is always a goodtime.
Uh, we're going to do a littlebit.
So we came as romans and archenemy are actually like very
close to each other, so we'regoing to hang a little bit.
So we came as Romans and archenemy are actually like very
close to each other, so we'regoing to hang out towards the
back of both of those sets.
We're not going to really fightfor a real spot and then asking
Alexandria because we love, welove us some Danny Warr's.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
And then the Dillinger escape plan, rob's
zombie, and yes, and that'll beit for Thursday, and then we'll
be running back to camp to getshower time and then on Friday
our first band is Left to Suffer.
Listen, you guys, if y'all loveheavy deathcore, like I do

(02:40):
please.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
I told her I was like you can't step away from Will
Ramos a little bit.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I will never step away.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
You're not stepping away, but you're giving them
more attention.
What?

Speaker 1 (02:48):
did I tell you earlier?
I said I'm just adding Left toSuffer to the roster.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, yes, okay Because.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Lorna Short.
So Will Ramos, and fucking Alex.
Terrible, that's my boy.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
But you're giving them the attention now and even
fucking fronds, we're gonna seebear tooth.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
yes hold on, I'm getting there, okay.
So first band on Friday is Leftto Suffer, and then Butcher
Babies.
Those are our girls, we lovethem hello, hello.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Silas, got to meet one of them too.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yes, I have a picture on the frame that you got me
for Mother's Day.
By the way, ladies, if you'relistening and you have children
or you have fur babies, happymother's day happy mother's day
this will have already been out,but happy belated mother's day
and we hope you had a great one.
I had a great one we hope youhad some brunch I already got
her, already got lindsey somegifts yes, uh, I actually have

(03:36):
to work a double on mother's day, but, um, anyway, we celebrated
this morning with my bloodymary's from one love cafe where
we got and we've seen somebodyawesome there that we'll be
featuring later.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yes, Yay.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
So then we're going to check out Candlebox Era Bush,
ginger and Sublime aresimultaneously playing together.
So we have seen Ginger many,many, many times, but I love my
girl, tatiana, and I cannot skipout on her performance.
And it's time for Sublime.
Yeah, so we're going to watchhalf of Ginger's set and then

(04:09):
we're going to run over andcheck out Sublime, because
Bradley's son yeah, god, it hascome full circle.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
He's a whole vibe.
He's a whole vibe, we're alivefor that.
Yeah.
For the whole circle we werealive for both.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yes, yes, and then we're gonna check out.
Uh, kill, switch, engage, goodcharlotte's fucking fine, we're
gonna end the night with one ofthe best performances we have
ever watched in our life atlouder than life, which was
green day.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, I'm telling y'all, you have not seen a show
Lindsay, we have to be over athousand bands in.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Oh yeah, and Green Day is number fucking one on
performance show.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
And you know who's second for me.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Weezer, weezer.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Weezer Was so good.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, girl, very chill, very good time, very
nostalgic.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
That's so much of our DNA, and then we finally met
that it didn't take much, andseeing three we knocked out.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
When we went to Louder Than Life in Kentucky, we
knocked out what like eightbucket list bands.
Yeah, all in like within fourdays.
It was a magical experience forus 311.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, that's what yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
So on.
Saturday yeah, yes, On Saturdaywe're going to.
Our first band will be upon aburning body of mice and men P O
D.
We can never skip out on a PODset.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Those are my bros.
Like they will, they will comeand they will party with the
people and then after the burial.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
that's another really heavy hitter for me.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
I need to post that video of us Well, of me.
You weren't there that time,but I got to hang out with the
DJ.
He was the DJ, but he was theguitar player for POD.
And I got to meet Sonny thesinger.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
And we just seen them .
We're going to see them again.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yes, every time.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
And then Beartooth, which is one of our favorite
bands to see live and just singalong with, because we know
every fucking song, yeah, and wejust have a great time with
Beartooth.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
I don't know how we're going to do a pod on
Sunday after all this shit.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
We're going to do it Because we're good.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
We're resilient.
We're at Rockville right now.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
And then I Prevail.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
We've been singing our asses off.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Incubus.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Oh yeah, Incubus too.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
We're going, and then a little bit of Linkin Park
yeah, with the new female singer.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
So in videos and all that's going to be coming too.
We're going to put it alltogether.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Make sure you follow our Instagram so you can go to
Rockville with us.
Literally.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, and it'll be on our YouTube as well, so follow
Link, like, share all the L'sand S's and everything.
And then, last but not least, onSunday we're going to see a
band that Jesse has been justdying to see, first off and
foremost, snot yes, rip Lynnstraight, one of the fucking

(07:13):
foremost onsetters for new metal.
Like when he was on the Oz fest, everybody was just up.
They were astonished by histalent, his personality, the
amazing human being he was.
Rip Lynn Strait.
Thank you so much for having agreat front man and getting back
together.

(07:33):
Snot, yeah, they really.
They set the tone for what welike now.
They really did.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
And then after that we're going to check out Attack
attack which was caleb shomofrom beartooth.
That was the first band that hewas in.
He started that band.
He started playing with thatman when he was 13 years old the
keyboard right, he was keyboardand he did backing vocals.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
He did this, yeah so that was like warp tour times,
like early work for yeah andattack.
Attack is great, like theirmusic fucking slaps and acdc's
killing it, and Metallica iskilling it, and now we're on the
loudest month and welcome toRockville.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Listen, james Hetfield, like all of them boys,
all of them guys, even Lars, Iknow everybody's got shitty shit
to say about Lars.
We have seen them and I dosuggest trying to catch them at
a festival, because you get morebang for your buck.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Sorry, we're so giddy about all this.
You can fast forward.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
If you're not into all this, whatever, because she
has an amazing ass story, butwe're gonna finish up our
rockville geeking because we'vebeen geeking about this and
we're super geek but we want youguys to come with us, and we
know that a lot of our listenerslisten to the same jams as us
so, yeah, well, it's from sub,from Sublime, to Death Metal.
So that's what it is, and thenwe have to see our boy LeJean
from Seven Dots, lj and MorganRose.

(08:51):
Oh yeah, those guys have justbeen a big part of our lives for
the last 10 years.
So much of Silas' world too.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
I mean, silas got dusted.
We were in Jacksonville and meand Silas were wearing.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Pop-up show.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
It was a pop-up hurricane party there was a
hurricane, yeah.
And LJ and all the boys fromSeven Dust.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
By the way, if y'all don't know how Floridians roll,
you get a concert when ahurricane's coming at a pop-up
underbelly show Some of ourhurricane parties are amazing
rock shows that bands couldn'tplay down south or wherever, and
they would show up near yourtown and you'd just go because,
like holy shit, seven dust in aplace the size of my house.

(09:32):
I'm there, you know, and thenwe're gonna see seven hours
after violet, which you said hasshavo.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, okay, the bass player from system of a down.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
He's so cool.
He's also in that uh ice night,the terrifier song for ice nine
kills, what the fuck is itcalled?

Speaker 2 (09:43):
some.
So he's making some moves.
A work of art, work of art.
Yeah, he's making some coolmoves.
It's like they just every songthey have is fucking fair To see
his ass up on stage doing thatcreepy thing.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yes, he's bald-headed .

Speaker 2 (09:54):
I love it.
He's fucking rocking dude.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
He's so awesome and their check them out before we
go.
But then we're gonna seeMotionless.
And why, hello, chrisMotionless?
We love you, I love it.
Then we're gonna check outTsunami, because I just got on
that train recently.
Jesse needs to check them outtoo.
Then we're gonna see thelegendary Mudvayne.
Mudvayne, marilyn Manson, badOmens, insane Clown Posse.

(10:21):
And we're gonna finish theweekend off with the Insane
Clown Posse and we're gonnafinish the weekend off with the
Davis, jonathan Davis and Fieldyand Head.
And what's the drummer's name?
David.
David, yeah oh my god, I lovethose guys so much.
I love Korn they will never Ican listen you left Monkey out

(10:42):
oh, I forgot Monkey.
I'm sorry that's my favoriteHead, you know, monkey's my
favorite, monkey's your favoriteand I love Fieldy Fieldy's my
boy.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well, when I seen him back in 95, he gave me a towel
and a guitar pick one time.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Oh my God, that's such a good performance.
I was actually at.
Some of their sets from SonicTemple are already on TikTok and
I was scrolling through lastnight See you do that and I
don't want to know.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
I don't want to know.
Everybody likes to do?

Speaker 1 (11:07):
No, I don't, it just came up in my FYP.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Oh, so you're not doing the set list thing.
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
I already know Korn's set list.
I know what they're going toplay every fucking time.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Except was it the debut album front to finish, and
that was fucking magical.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
That was first time I'd ever seen them.
Like a little girl, I know, Iwas like shut up, I want to hear
john davis and I'm singing.
I'm like, okay, this is mymoment, okay, I just wanted to.
That was my first time seeingjd and I it was beautiful.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
well, you got to think, though, how nostalgic was
that for me before they wereeven really big right, so that's
deeply.
Well, that's like like when wesaw gender before they were even
really big Right, so that'sdeeply ingrained.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Well, that's like when we saw Ginger before they
were really big.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Well, imagine 30 years from now and you had not
seen them.
And we've seen Beartooth before.
They were really big, so manybands we've watched come up.
We've watched Beartooth go froma 12 o'clock spot to now a 7.30
spot at Rockville and poor oldSeven Dust has been leading this
thing forever and ever and ever.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
And they're always like 3.30.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Why aren't they closing?
But no, they're like 6.30 thisyear.
Yeah, 7dust needs, but they putin the work, the recognition
they should be headlining to me.
But I don't know.
I'm just saying Happy Friday.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Happy Friday.
We're going to roll that introand we're going to get started
with all of our the rest of ourbullshit.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
We got to keep on going.
We got to do this thing, yeah,but listen follow us on
Instagram.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Drink about something so you can go with us to
Rockville.
Yeah.
Literally you know and Attila'sgoing to be there.
We are going to have to misshim because we got to go see
Bear Tooth.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
But we're going to play his voice on this podcast,
so just letting you guys know.
So excited for Rockville, yeah,this is bumping again.
I love it.
We were bumping last week tooon here.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
So I didn't ask you because we were so giddy about
spilling our guts aboutRockville.
What are you drinking today?

Speaker 2 (13:09):
You know what, Lindsay?
I drank it all.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Do you need a refill?
Yeah, how's our time?
We got time.
We got a minute.
Okay, a couple minutes.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
But no, I drank it all but and I need to refill
here in just a minute.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, and I've got that black cherry blam-ba-lam
Vista Bay.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
It's Evan Williams' cherry with Coke, so it's a
cherry cone.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Okay, cherry Cherry.
Cheers to the cherries.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yes, and Lindsey's going to fire off this monster
of a thing right here.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
I'm going to go through my spiel real quick and
then we're going to fire off.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
But I'm out of drink, so we need to.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, we're about to have a little break and then
we're going to come back andwe're going to do our thing.
I might as well get me anotherone too and take a pee break.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
I am your father.
Oh yeah, I hope you guys had agreat May the 4th, yes, and I
hope you had a great Mother'sDay.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
And I hope you had a great May.
The 6th, yes, and I hope youhad a great.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Mother's Day, yes, and I hope you had a great May,
the 6th, 8th of May, the 8th ofMay.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Oh yeah, so the 4th, the 6th May is where it's at man
, may is everything, may is.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
I think May is our favorite day.
Yes, may is our favorite month.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
But May is my favorite day, my favorite day.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
We get festivals, all the cool memes.
It's the loudest month in NorthAmerica.
Yeah, the loudest month inNorth America and something
takes a part of me and pour somesugar on me.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
I am so out of key today.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
It's all good, all right.
So if you are new here, this isepisode 31.
31, 31 and what we do is wehave a drink.
I can't rattle mine, rattleyour cup.
Did you get a refill?
I don't want to rattle it okayokay, anyway, we have a drink,
we talk about true crime and atthe end of the episode we plug a
band that jesse has sought outand got permission to play them.

(15:06):
At the end we plug them becausewe're digging them and we think
you should listen to them aswell.
Is that good?
Yes, and my ultimate goal is tojust break Jesse into fetal
position.
I have been broken so much.
This one, this one is going tobe a little bit shorter of a
case, but it is a.

(15:27):
It has huge impact.
But before we just wanted torecap real quick on the Motown
thing.
So me and Jesse were sitting onthe back porch last week and we
were like going through all theMotown um artists after we
covered Marvin Gaye and guesswho we found out was on the
Motown label Bruce,motherfucking Willis.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yes, we did, Lindsay we did yes.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Aren't you glad I put it in my notes.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, I guess that makes me feel old on it.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yes, what does make you feel old, bruce?
Fucking Willis not being onMotown I know he is, well, he is
on Motown.
But you didn't know, check thatshit out.
We didn't know he could singand it was good, and it was
really good, we were jamming onour back porch, we listened to a
bunch of shit from him.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah, yes, why Didn't I remember that we were back
porch cooking and we werejamming.
Motown, we and we were jammingto Bruce.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Bruce, yeah, we were jamming to roost watching Bruce
Willis waste the time away.
But yeah, I mean I could notbelieve he could.
I mean that just blew my.
I said Jesse, google says thatBruce Willis is on Motown
records.
So we pulled up Spotify, wepulled up Motown's greatest hits
and Bruce Willis was rightthere and we fucking listened to
it and it was nice, it was goodit was a good jam and I say

(16:51):
things like you know I wishMotown would come back, but
people like Bruno Mars andthings like that, motown's still
here, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Motown is not left, oh yeah, motown's going to go on
forever.
Even it's going to go onforever.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Even though they have some dark roots, we love their
music, but there's a lot of darkshit behind artistry and
musicianship.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
We could dig for days .

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yes, we could dig for days.
So that's what made you feelold.
So what makes me feel old thisweek?

Speaker 2 (17:18):
I mean, actually, I really don't feel.
Fucking old Lindsay, we gotRockville coming up.
I know I'm going to rock thatshit, but the only I forgot to
mention it.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Last week I was re, I was recapping, I was listening
to our episode, making sureeverything was good and I was
like I forgot to say what mademe feel old.
So do two Well I only have theone still, I only have the one
still.
So in the, in the.
So I start my day, I work out,I teach my kid, I do some chores

(17:44):
, I research cases, and then Idon't have to be at work until
three.
So if I get in the shower by1.45, that's just enough time to
get ready and get to work rightat three o'clock on the nose.
So I take me a little breakfrom one to 1.45.
Sometimes I just sit there andplay our little match game and
then sometimes I'll take alittle quick nap.

(18:05):
But I don't take a nap likenormal people do, like I lay
across the bed and for the lasttwo weeks when I get up from
that my back tweaks.
Oh, don't do that then.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
So I'm like maybe I need to do a different position.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
But I'd be scared if I lay down and got real
comfortable my position.
I'd be scared if I lay down andgot real comfortable my ass
would be a work I would misswork.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
I wanted to do yeah, you would.
I wanted to do a quick shoutout to One Love Cafe.
They have the best.
They're in Gainesville, theyhave the best vibe, the best
brunch, the.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Bloody Mary mixes are on fire.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
What was it Texas?

Speaker 2 (18:45):
The pickle one.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
It's a texas extra spicy pickle vodka.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
So they make a pickle rick pickle rick is what
they're, yeah, with their bloodymary and I could have sat there
and drank four of them,motherfuckers I drank two and
then we hung out for a whilebecause lindsey wants to say it
so jesse found um an artist thatwe're going to feature on a
later date.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Her name's Fariza.
Look her up on Instagram.
Out of Gainesville area, herhandle is at ForRealFariza and
she's beautiful.
And then she opened her mouthto sing.
She was playing live today,live music at One Love she was
doing covers, and she wascovering the best songs too, and
she opened her mouth and thisbeautiful I had chills amazing

(19:28):
voice came out, like I stoppedin my tracks.
I was going to get round two ofthe bloody marys and I was blown
away.
And then we hung out.
We had a good.
I could have stayed there allday at jesse yeah if we didn't
have to come home and do this,that's what I was saying I was
like I want a one love day wherewe just hang out all day long.
Yeah, have two meals.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
If you're ever in the Gainesville area and love
brunch, go to One Love.
Check it out.
The bands are phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, we're slowly making our way through their
whole menu.
I've had the steak and eggs,the banana walnut French toast.
We've both had the chicken andwaffles.
We both had the omelets.
I got Mediterranean, he gotSouthwestern.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
And we had the avocado toast, we had the
avocado toast.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
And I was just like I don't give a fuck, Give it to
me and it's good.
Oh, it's so good.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
And yeah, because it has like tomatoes, spinach, feta
and an egg right on top fetaand an egg all right on top, and
don't go asleep on the potatoes.
The potato is the greatest andthe cheese grits, yeah.
And then our grandbabies gotchocolate chip waffles and um
fruit waffle and I had a bite ofall of that and that shit was
like.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
It was amazing too like they went ape shit after
that well, it was cool, becauseit's a cool little, yeah it has
things to do.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
It's really cool and I just, uh, opened up a
pineapple this today.
So one more thing I want totalk about this couple that I've
been following on TikTok for awhile now.
Their names are Mario Moranteand then Bryn Bryn just goes by
Bryn.
They are a couple who actuallymet through TikTok and they have

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a huge following between theboth of them.
They're huge influencers andthey just recently went.
They just started a podcastcalled Pretty Funny, because
she's pretty and he's funnyAwesome.
But they went to Coachella andthey talked about all their
performances, that they, or allthe performances that they went
and saw Guess who was theirnumber one over Lady Gaga.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Over Lady Gaga.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Fucking Green Day.
So these people have my heart?

Speaker 2 (21:32):
No, I mean honestly, lindsay, because we haven't seen
Lady Gaga.
I kind of want to put her abovethat.
That's a unicorn.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
They saw her and they still put Green Day above Lady
Gaga, Above Lady Gaga.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, we're doing karaoke at Rockville.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
we're gonna sing some yes, wait, listen, lady gaga is
my very not guilty.
What is your?

Speaker 2 (21:54):
owner the owner's lot right yeah karaoke bar and I'm
going, we're doing this, butthat and they were.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
They broke down like how much they loved it because
they're in their 20s and 30sMario's in his 30s, she's in her
late 20s.
This couple I would love tohang out with and I'm going to
tag them in this episode becauseI want them to hear it and I
want y'all to know that we loveGreen Day too, just like that.
Yes, and we completely agree.
And if y'all ever want to go toa festival in the non-bougie

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matter because they were talkingabout how they went influencer
style, like a VIP, everything ohyeah, but how they actually
wanted to be in the pits and allthat shit.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Do it If you ever want to go.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
GA style camping.
Hit me and Jesse up.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
We will show you the best time that you will ever
have at a festival we do notmind at all getting in the grid
of it, and that's where it'sreally at.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Don't ever lose that we will show you how to clean a
porta potty to where it is notstinky and nice.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
We'll show you how to stagger in and zombie out and
zombie out yes, and I mean wewill show you the best time.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
So hit us up, Mario and Brent.
But other than that, I'm goingto get started on this wild ass
case.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
You should fire, yes, fire, fire, fire.
Lindsay, I'm excited and goahead and fire.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Alright, so I don't know about you guys and I don't
know about you Jesse, but Ireally love a movie or a show
that portrays someone withmultiple personalities.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
So, with being with me this long, you don't know.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
What do you mean?
My eyes twitching?

Speaker 2 (23:28):
You know that's just.
If they do it the right way,it's going to be exciting yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Well, you never watched United States of Tara
and that's what really got me onthat whole fascination, because
honestly, I thought it was moreand, like watching Sybil and
Split and things like that, Ithought it was more of a
Hollywood thing.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
And like Dr Jekyll, and Mr.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Hyde.
Yeah, I thought it was more ofa Hollywood type prognosis.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Oh, so you didn't really know.
It was like a whole thing toactually envelop all this into a
criminal, realistic thing.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
That's what I was just about to say.
I had no idea about what reallyhappens.
I'm going to love all thatbecause it's just so chaotic and
it's going to keep you on yourtoes the whole time.
Well, like I said, I had noidea about what happens to a
real person that has NPD or DID,which is dissociative identity
disorder, and how their braindevelops alters to deal with

(24:23):
extensive trauma in their life.
So it's actually, like I said,I've been fascinated with the
concept, but the more I dug intothis, like my heart hurts.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
So in personalities, they dissociate what they
associate to as being an entityin their mind Right.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
And this is I want y'all to understand that this is
not a bullshit diagnosis.
I want y'all to understand thatthis is not a bullshit
diagnosis.
They have done studies whereactually a person will when they
go into an altar.
There is different brainwavesgoing on.
There has been cases where oneperson that had DID his actual

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person did not have diabetes,but one of his alters did.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Well, have you watched anything on real court
activity where you see somebodydefending their self and they're
asking them questions and yousee them click from different
things?

Speaker 1 (25:14):
I have not watched that in real life, no.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
I feel like we kind of watched it with Johnny Depp
and Emma Hurd a little bit, justsaying.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Well, I mean, I'm just saying like an actual
diagnosed person.
Well, when I was watching, alljust saying like an actual
diagnosed person, you know what?

Speaker 2 (25:25):
I mean when I was watching all that, everybody was
watching that.
Like you would see her kind ofclick from this to that and she
would come into like thisHollywood thing to a victim to
something else, and it was justlike wait a minute, dude.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
She is doing what you're talking about?

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Oh well, yeah, probably.
Yeah, that's just a trainedactress, but if you do it so
much you believe it.
Then there you are right?

Speaker 1 (25:44):
no, this is completely different.
This is what I'm trying to tellyou.
There are actual studies donebecause people develop other
people in their brains whole assother people that take over to
help them deal that's whatyou're fixing to drop with
trauma in their lives.
Yes, oh, this is what we'redoing, this is not an actress.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
I'm sorry guys.
I had to ride my bicycle alittle bit faster to catch up to
Lindsay, because I can ride mybike with no handlebars.
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
But that's what I'm saying, that there's literally
been cases where somebody thatis suffering with DID, their
alters, have had differentillnesses.
I get you.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
It's full-on on genuine, complete, different
people.
Full on everything.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Their brain waves change and everything when they
slip in and out.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
So I was thinking of just disassociating disorder,
where you're just like changingyour thought waves but you're
the same person type thing, youknow.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
I mean, of course, you're still the same person
being here, but in their brainit's a different person, so I'm
going to get into it, okay.
So, like I said, this is bothfascinating and sad to see what
our brains can do to help usdeal with something awful and
traumatic that has happened tous.
And this is a story of a womanwho went through something so

(27:02):
horrific in her childhood thather brain would create 2,500
alters Lindsay To help hersurvive her trauma.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Now how in the fuck do you create 2,500?

Speaker 1 (27:12):
I'm going to tell you .
I'm going to tell you.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Break it down, so listen close.
I mean I'm not Okay.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
So this is the story of Jenny Haynes, and in 1974,
jenny's family moved from BexleyHeath, london, to Greenacre in
Western Sydney.
And it was here in Sydney whereher father, richard Haynes,
would start to rape and tortureher at just four years old, oh

(27:40):
my God.
And it would last until she was11.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Oh my God Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
So not only was he abusing her body, but he was
also brainwashing her mind,telling her that he could
actually read her mind and ifshe would even think about the
abuse that was happening to her,he would kill her mother and
her siblings.
She had a brother and a sisterand, of course, her mother this
motherfucker here right.

(28:07):
So you know, remember when wewere younger and we were like
terrified about things thatisn't really that relevant in
real life, like falling intoquicksand, the bermuda triangle
and spontaneous combustion inthe closet what mirrors you're
scared about the closet mirrorsas, being young, I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
I fucking wasn't if it was dark and the closets
creaked open.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Okay, so I did leave my closet light on.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Oh, so you weren't scared yeah, I was like what
does?

Speaker 1 (28:37):
that mean I'm talking about, like you know how, in
movies that we grew up withentities.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, locked ass, monster fucking okay, okay, yes,
yeah, like all that, yeah.
But yes, I did leave my, I didleave my closet light on, just
for you know how, in movies thatwe grew up with Global entities
, yeah, locked ass, monster,fucking.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Okay, okay, yes, yes, all that, yeah, but yes, I did
leave my closet light on justfor light in my room, because I
literally grew up in a hauntedhouse.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
I was going to a more personal thing.
If I'm looking over and there'sa door, yeah.
You're the one that's scared ofmirrors.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
I'm just talking about as a whole.
Our generation was scared ofshit like quicksand, the Bermuda
Triangle and spontaneouscombustion because it was
brought up a lot.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
But we've never really seen anything like that
in our lifetime.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Apparently, there were some people that
spontaneously combusted.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
you know, according to Incubus, there was a picture
of spontaneous combustion in anencyclopedia in the Haynes home
that Richard would show to Jenny, telling her that that would
happen to her mother if she eventhought about the abuse.
This is disgusting that her momwould spontaneously skimbush if

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she thought about what herfather was doing to her.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Really he had that mind control.
I got mind control over Debo.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
So not only was she having to suffer the abuse by
the hands of her own father, shewas forced into believing that,
even if she thought about it,her mother would combust and die
.
She's going to catch fire.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
That's horrific.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
There's no safe space anywhere.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
And with that much abuse and what you're doing to
your actual child, they're goingto believe that part.
They're going to believe it.
This is you.
Puddled me already and I ain'teven ready.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Well, Jenny says that quote.
My inner life was invaded by mydad.
I couldn't even feel safe in myown head.
I could no longer examine whatwas happening to me and draw my
own conclusions.
So Jenny develops her firstalter named Symphony.
Symphony was, and still is, afour-year-old little girl who

(30:34):
was at the forefront of theabuse.
And then Symphony would developother alters to take over and
deal with different situationsin Jenny's life and Symphony had
a symphony of.
And, yeah, we're about to getinto the main ones, and those
would also develop other alters.
Yeah, it's insane.
So these were all differentpeople in Jenny's brain that she

(30:56):
could see clearly and what theywould wear, and they had their
own individual personality aswell.
So there would be Rick, whowore huge glasses and he looked
a lot like her father.
Then there was Linda, which wasactually Jenny's middle name.
Then there was Linda, which wasactually Jenny's middle name.

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She was tall and slim anddressed 1950s style with a pink
poodle skirt and always wore herhair in an elegant bun.
There was Judas, who was short,with red hair, and who wore
gray pants and a green jumper.
And I meant to look up.

(31:39):
In Australia and in the UK theyuse the word jumper and I'm not
sure what it means.
I think it's sweater, exercisesuit.
No, no, no, I think it's asweater, but I'm not a hundred
percent sure.
Little Ricky, he was eightyears old, but he wore a suit,
and this made me think aboutSilas, because Silas was so into
suits when he was eight yearsold, because Silas was so into
suits when he was eight yearsold, he wore a suit all the time
.
Yeah, and his job, little Ricky.

(32:00):
His job would be to choosewhich altar would have to take
over when Jenny was being abused.
That was his job.
In Jenny's brain I'm cloudingup over here.
Volcano.
He was tall and strong, withbleach blonde hair and liked to
wear leather.
And then there was Muscles, whowas a teenager that looked a

(32:21):
lot like Billy Idol.
I'm going to fucking cry.
Don't cry over here.
He liked to show off his armsand he was very calm and
collective, and this is all in alittle girl, little child.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
that's being fucking horrifically.
I don't even want to say theword Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
So Muscles was the calmest of the group, but
Symphony she would sing to Jennyduring her abuse and actually
help her not Like this altarwould help her not be able to
smell her father's scent becauseit would gross her out so much.
It was like the smell ofburning plastic and the worst

(33:00):
construction worker smell thatyou can imagine is how Jenny
describes it.
In her head she would recitesong lyrics like he ain't heavy,
he's my brother, when she wouldworry about her siblings.
And do you really really fuck?
Do you really want to hurt me?
Do you really want to make mecry when thinking about her

(33:22):
ordeal?
So she would, because she wasafraid to think about what was
happening to her.
So she would associateeverything while it was
happening.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
She's singing that song symphony, sym.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Actually, jenny says that Symphony was the one that
got the most abuse, becauseJenny would disappear and
Symphony would take over.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
And Symphony would be singing.
She was the muse behind all theabuse, right in the middle of
it.
I'm only speaking now to keepfrom fucking crying.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
I know Like I've done research on this all week and
have held it together and rightnow I want to sob.
Yeah, well, you know, you canlook at my eyes right now.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
I know I'm clouded up .

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Well, these would be her main altars, and each one of
these altars would create otheraltars until she had a 2,500
altar army.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
And she could pull those up at any time and just
sink into it.
They would just take over shewouldn't actually try to think
about them, it just snapped in.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
We'll get into that later.
She can go within herself andtry to summon that specific
altar to give details aboutcertain things that she will
have to talk about later on, butwe'll get there.
So her father Fucking RichardHaynes?
Her father would restrict hersocial activities and even

(34:44):
punished her when her swimmingcoach approached him about her
talent.
So she was a really goodswimmer.
Now the details of the abuseare not public, but the extent
of them.
Are you ready, Cause this isgoing to fuck you up?
Okay, they would causepermanent damage to Jenny's body
.
The irreparable damage was toher eyesight, her jaw, her

(35:11):
bowels, her anus and her coccyx.
Why she now has to use a colcoccyx, lindsay why?
She now has to use a colostomybag, lindsay, and is afraid to
open her mouth too wide, as herjaw may lock up.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Michelle.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
And her father ruined any chance of her ever having
children.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Lindsay Michelle, stop it.
I don't know why.
Why you got Okay.
Lindsay Michelle, stop it.
I'm fucking why.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Why you got Okay, we've done so many of these
Because she's a survivor.
And my eyelashes are stickingtogether now because I've got
water and I'm thinking about mygrandbabies I'm thinking about
like children.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
I'm thinking about so many fucking things and you're
just oh my.
God, I'm drinking.
Fuck God, I'm drinking.
Fuck it, I'm drinking Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Now, I am not.
I do not know how, but Jenny'smother did not know of the abuse
, or maybe she was being abusedherself and was made to ignore
it.
That's all.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
He's manipulated the whole family that's what I think
and he has told them all thathe has some kind of fucking
there was two other siblingsthat he did not hurt at all.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Jenny got all of it.
Well, the family moved back tothe UK in 1984 and Jenny's
mother divorced her father andthe abuse stopped.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
But from 4 to 11, that's a long ass time Broken
2,500?
.
Yeah, I get it now.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
I mean, Well, okay, so I get it, my main source.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
While that's going on , you have to try to go some
fucking where else I mean.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
You have to.
That is terrible.
I mean, I listed, I don't wantto repeat it In fear they can't
get away.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
I don't want to cry on here, not loud.
I'm going to ugly cry later, Iswear to God.
And you're going to make mefucking watch something later,
ain't you?

Speaker 1 (37:21):
It's worth.
So I would say my main sourceof reference here was from a 60
minutes documentary, a 60minutes australia, and you can
see her transition and it'sabsolutely what y'all.
When I say fascinating, thatdoesn't mean I like it.
It's just fascinating to me howthe brain works and how it can
do so many incredible things tohelp you.

(37:44):
Complete body movement, facialexpression Either survive or I
mean just like we're watchingYellow Jackets right now and I
know that's just a bullshit TVshow, but I mean their brains
are not working for themwhatsoever in in the certain
situations in the woods.
If you haven't watched thatshow, please fucking watch
yellow jackets.
It's got me in a goddamnchokehold.

(38:05):
I am up.
I was up till 3am watching thatshit last night Cause I cannot
stop.
I was not.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
I was out and I slept my ass off, but I get it,
because while I'm watching someof that, it is insane.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Well, that's just also like when we talked about
the girl in the box.
That girl had to be in a paddedtiny box for most of her life
of seven years.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
She came up with some way to cope too, and well,
that's why they refer to most ofthat case, the stockholm
syndrome.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
But there has to be some alters that she created in
her head to help her get throughher time could you imagine that
box for hours, and hours, andhours in a box?

Speaker 2 (38:49):
absolutely not like that one out.
If you hadn't seen that I heardthat one just that was about
three episodes ago.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Just go back through our little catalog and
definitely check out Girl in aBox.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
So much goddamn drama in the LBC.
It's kind of hard being me.
I can't stand you.
It's fucking horrible.
I got to chuckle, but goddammit.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Lindsay.
Now, when Jenny got older, itwas really hard for her to get
any help for what was happeningto her brain and for her body.
She had reached out toauthority figures that just were
like it was unbelievable tothem, she's free.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
And now she just has all of this still and you can't
get rid of it.
No, because that's yourdevelopmental area.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
And the pain in her body Six to 11.
I want to repeat this again Airarea and the pain in her body 6
to 11.
I want to repeat this againIrreparable damage to her
eyesight, jaw, bowels, anus andcoccyx.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Irreparable Now they have done and she could not even
use her colon.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Now there are some things that they were able to
fix for her to be able to livecomfortably, but it's still
irreparable.
It won't go back to normal,ever, ever, and she was robbed
of her ability to ever produce achild.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
That's fucking awful livelihood gone, womanhood gone
and this check this out, everyhappiness gone.
Just, you can't grow up and bea normal ass person.
You don't even love your kidenough.
I mean, you fucking just abusethem and that's what's so
goddamn disgusting.
And this shit really happens.
And lindsey shows me and we'refighting later, me and you.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
We're gonna goddamn oh man, so therapist leg
wrestling.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
That's what we always say.
Right, I'm gonna lay down andleg wrestle where you, you lay
this way and I lay this way andwe like leg wrestling.
Shit have you done?
You've seen that we're going to.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Boy, if you don't let me finish telling the story, I
just I got to figure a way outto get you back, dude, because,
like I'm puddled over here,therapist would be so
overwhelmed with what she wouldtell them that Jenny would end
up comforting them, therapist,at the end of a session, or she
would be accused of lying.

(40:58):
So she would get I can't handlethis shit, or you're a fucking
liar from everybody that shewould try to talk to about her
situation.
And all the while, this poorwoman is going on not being able
to explain what was going on inher mind, but living with the
damage that was done to her body.
What was going on in her mind,but living with the damage that
was done to her body.

(41:18):
Now, do you remember what yearI told you this started and when
it ended?
In the 80s, so it started in 74.
74.
It ended in 84.
84.
She finally found a detectivein 2009, named Paul Stimolis,
that would believe her about hercondition and abuse and, along
with psychiatrist Dr GeorgeBlair West, they set out for

(41:43):
justice for Jenny and her army.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
So all this time Daddy's just separated from the
family.
But he's good to go.
He's fucking good to go.
He's doing his own thing.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Well, let me get there.
Let me get there A fuckinghuman being.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
A little girl destroyed her to the point.
Oh my me, get there.
A fucking human being.
A little girl destroyed her tothe point.
Oh my God, Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
I don't get it.
Dr George says that DID is acondition that is formed from
repetitive traumatic abusebefore the age of eight, when
the person realizes that no oneis going to save them, isn't
that?
It's developmental when theyrealize no one is going to save

(42:24):
them.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
You're becoming a grown human being, you're,
you're developmenting your, your, your whole presence, persona,
personality.
Everything is happening in yourbrain and now she has put all
these little pockets in herbrain and knows to be true.
There's no thinking about it,no thinking about it.
Now I understand, now I reallydo.

(42:46):
You developed that with yourgrowing up and your brain
development.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
But yeah, he specifically said that it
happens before the age of eight,when they realize that no one
is going to save them, and thatjust fucking broke my heart so
hard yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
And I sound like a babbling idiot when I'm trying
to analyze it.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
No, no, no, it's for myself.
You're trying to figure it out.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
This is me trying to figure it out Because you didn't
do the research, so you'retrying to yeah, so that's where
I'm babbling, but does that makesense for me saying that I feel
like you're becoming afull-grown human being and while
you're doing that, your wholemind is wrapped around this
2,500 different believablepersonalities inside of you.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
And unfortunately and this is really fucking sad I
didn't put this in my notes, butshe said some of them would die
off because the abuse was sofucking horrific.
And that's why little Ricky,whose job it was to find which
altar, was going to come in andtake over, that's why he hated
his job, because some of thosepersonalities would actually die

(43:54):
off in her brain, Huge traumathat was going on.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
She would be like, well, during that they just went
ahead and passed away.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, wow.
So, while building a caseagainst her father, jenny,
detective Paul and Dr Georgereturned to her home in
Australia and you watch hertransition many times In
Australia.
And she you watch hertransition like many times and
she goes.
She relives in great detailwhat happened to her in each

(44:21):
room.
After watching clips of this onYouTube, it literally chills me
to the bone, like, oh so themain hurdle that they would have
to cross, other than the factthat this happened to Jenny
decades prior, was the fact thatJenny's body was the crime

(44:42):
scene and her alters were thewitnesses.
For most people, when traumahappens to us, we will block it
out or memories are clouded, butfor Jenny, each one of her main
alters would remembereverything in great detail.
Sat, each one of her mainalters would remember everything
in great detail Saturatedinside of her mind.
Jenny herself, like Jenny,jenny would have a hard time

(45:06):
recalling, but when one of heralters would come forward,
events were recalled perfectly,even decades later.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
So she's created a defense mechanism through her
trauma.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yeah, Dr George a defense mechanism through her
trauma.
Yeah, Dr George would call hermemory her superpower.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
That was horrible.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Now I have to mention also that Jenny spent 18 years
earning degrees in psychology, amaster's in legal study and
criminal justice, and a PhDfocusing on victims of crime.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
So her brain was working on a different level
that we haven't been yet.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
She put in the work, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Yes, I mean her brain's, just completely, that
it was developing into thissuper brain that was we can't
get there Right, we cannot getthere Completely intelligent.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
So Jenny refers to Detective Paul so sweet too, as
God on earth for believing herand for taking on her case and
making her father pay for whathe had done.
When Paul was asked if he everdoubted her, he said he never.
He did not.
But he knew it was going to bea tough case to prove.
Jenny would have to tell herstory to the court through her

(46:14):
altars.
Jenny would have to tell herstory to the court through her
altars.
Paul and Dr George prepared herfor her story to not be taken
seriously and the ridicule fromthe public as well.
But Jenny was ready and sheknew that this was the only way.
Why are they?

Speaker 2 (46:27):
even acting like this .
Person that went through allthis as a child is going to use
this as some bullshit defensebecause people are evil but why
are they even saying that youdon't take her seriously?

Speaker 1 (46:41):
no, no no, no, they're not saying don't take
her seriously.
They're preparing her for evilpeople out there that will not
take her seriously exactly andcall it.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
I'm just saying for the evil people, that's what I'm
saying, like for the evilpeople to even think there's
just people out there that won'tbelieve anybody's bullshit but
their own.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
You know what I mean.
There was also there was prooffrom the damage to her body
because of all the majorsurgeries that she had had to go
through to help with the issueswith her bowels and her anus
and her coccyx.
But it would still take over 10years of hard work to bring
Richard Haynes to justice.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Come on, dude, an x-ray and showing that all this
was broken then.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
It takes them Okay.
So this all started to herhappening to her in 74.
It ends in 84.
It takes her till 2009 to findher somebody to believe her.
And it takes till 2017 forindictments to start, and her
father was finally extraditedfrom the uk to stand trial and

(47:43):
he had actually already beendoing seven years in prison for
a different charge that I couldnot find anywhere.
I was trying to find what hewas already in there for, but I
couldn't.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yeah, if anybody knows, let us know.
I mean, I want to know.
So.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Richard, he was in his 70s during this time and he
was charged with multiple countsof rape and buggery, because
you know that's what they callit over there, sodomy.
But he broke the fucking littlechild, he broke her.
Well, that's what sodomy iscalled over there is buggery.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Like it's literally court.
Yeah, we've talked about thatbefore.
Easily proven with any kind ofx-ray.
You can be like well, thesebones right here.
They healed up about this manyyears ago and you can tell by
the callous.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
And also I mean we advanced so much in technology
during this time so it probablywould have never been proven
anyway you get it together withyour stuff over there.
I'm just saying so jenny saysthat whichever altar could
answer the questions she wouldbe asked would be the one to
come forward to answer or talkabout certain details, because

(48:47):
each one remembered differenttime periods and most that most
of her altars stayed in that agerange of whenever that abuse
was happening.
You know what I mean.
They didn't like stephanie.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
They didn't grow up, stayed four years old.
Yeah, age, yeah, because theywere.
They weren't made anymore, theyweren't, they weren't growing
with her right, they stopped.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Well, in other cases, that I actually listened to.
Um, some of them will age withthe person, but some of them
will stay the age of whatevertime they had to enter the abuse
for the main person.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Right, well, you got to develop them as you're
growing, but if they don't haveanything happening to the other
personalities, they can't growwith you.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Right yeah.
On January 21st 2019, Jennytold her story to the New South
Wales District Court.
She said Jenny walked in andthen the alters would take over
and tell their parts.
This case was deemed toohorrific to have a jury, so it
was just for a judge.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Preliminary trial Type thing.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yeah, it was only the judge, Jenny, her lawyer, her
psychiatrist.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I mean, it's too fucking horrific for you to tell
to me it really is.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
So, four-year-old, symphony was the first to talk
and looked straight at Richardas each part of her brain
revealed the horror that he hadput her through, the sexual
abuse, the physical abuse andthe impact that it all had on
her education.
After two hours of justtransitioning and transitioning,

(50:26):
richard finally changed hisplea to guilty and admitted to
his abuse.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
There you go, fucker.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Now, even though Jenny was in her late 40s 48 or
49, I think she was actuallystill able to be unnamed, as her
abuse had happened to her whenshe was a minor and that would
also mean that her father wouldbe unnamed.
But she chose for it to all bepublic so that it would be known
what her father had done to her.

(50:55):
When he went to prison she saidshe wanted him to go away for a
very long time and she hopedthat it was as uncomfortable and
traumatic as her childhood was.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Yeah, I hope he got fucking buggered.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
She wrote a 17-page witness impact statement without
sugarcoating anything, and over30 of her alters made an
appearance through this.
The judge even asked her if sheneeded to take a break.
At one point she refused.
She said nope, I just want toget it done.
She said Richard had called herdaddy's dirty little girl a

(51:33):
floozy, a trollop, a masochist,and would tell her that this
hurts me more than it hurts you.
Before raping and buggering herand almost killing her on
occasion, she would say that hewould use Kewpie dolls, which is
little dolls that look, aremade to look like a cherub.

(51:55):
He would use those as weaponsto abuse her on her fucking
birthday why is that a fuck dude?
And would take her glasses offduring abuse, making her now
panic and have flashbacksanytime her vision is impaired.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
And there's a whole other personality she snapped
into then I bet.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Well, richard was sentenced to 45 years and won't
be eligible for parole till longafter he's dead because he
would be like 107 fuck yourichard, fuck you richard.
Jenny and her mother, whoactually became her biggest
supporter.
Like they don't go a lot intoher mother, so I have no idea
what happened to her mother andwhy she wasn't a safe space for

(52:40):
Jenny before that.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
But I don't want to victim blame.
Was she at work or some?

Speaker 1 (52:43):
shit Like she was gone.
I don't know, I don't want tovictim blame, I don't know.
They don't go into a lot of hermom, I could not find anything
on her mom.
All the parts and pieces wholesalad.
Because she's very public abouteverything that happened to her
.
Fucking bomb is just the familybomb that moms pay attention to

(53:04):
your kids but to me, it's thephysical damage that happened to
her body that she had to livewith.
How did you not know shecouldn't be going to the
bathroom correctly?
She had to be in physical painevery fucking day of her life.
Yeah, and her father did thisabuse to her day after day after
day for what's four to eleven,seven years, and you're not

(53:30):
paying attention to your kidenough.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
There's something there.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
There's a bomb that just didn't go off there's
something there, there's,there's a bomb that just didn't
go off, there's.
But whatever may have happened,her and her mother are on good
terms and they live together andthey have both relied on
welfare and disability to justto live.
But I'm hoping, throughinterviews and book deals
because she did write a bookthat that status has changed so
that she can enjoy the rest ofher life.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Yeah, you deserve it.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
You deserve it, jenny .
My heart goes out to you somuch and I do, I do.
It's only 40 minutes, thedocumentary, the 60 minute
documentary.
Now there is another one that Iwatched on a girl named I think
it's pronounced Insinia it'sspelled like Usenia, but I think
it's pronounced Insinia.
She has 11 alters and that wasa really good documentary as

(54:21):
well.
Same type of situation.
Um, it's also on youtube.
Well, we'll try and find thoselinks and put them in and put
them in the show.
I want to find a link to sendher something.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Yeah, let's send her something.
Let's find out where she is andwe'll send her a little care
package.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Yeah, I would love to do that With a DES shirt.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Yes, we got merch now , so we'll just send her a DES
shirt, have it mailed to her ina little care package and some
cool stuff.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Yeah, because there's not a lot of coverage on her
case whatsoever.
But when I actually heard itcovered by Red Handed and I was
locked in, I had to put it on mylist.
That shit has been on my mindevery single day since I heard
it.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
This is the most horrific thing.
This woman is still alive andhaving to deal with all that.
She can be herself and just notgo there, but at any time she
can go there, it's so adorablehow grateful she is to the two
men that believe in her.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
And you'll see on the documentary the detective he
literally like just doubles overbecause he he thinks about what
he's been told and like it's alot for him.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
So we're going to tag her and all her stuff into this
.
Yeah, multiple tags, and wewant a connection.
We want to send you some stuff.
Yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
You're amazing, jenny Haynes.
You are Survivors of any kindof abuse, like my heart just
goes out, goes out Like becauseI mean I'm a survivor of abuse,
but nothing compared to whatthis woman has been through, and
that's the only thing that Ican hang on to, and it humbles
me, you know what?
I mean yeah, because like what I, this woman like.

(56:00):
I have a good daddy.
You know what I mean, andthat's something that I will.
I have a great father.
I could not imagine a personwhose father is doing something
like this to them, right in thecomfort of your whole livelihood
and then using that against youand thinking that they can kill
your mother.
Thinking that if you thoughtabout what was, happening to you

(56:22):
would kill your mother and yoursiblings.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Yeah, and they had to believe it because they're
they're baby impressionable,like how they don't know
anything else they don't knowhe's.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
He started telling her that at four years old that
is our baby abel's age.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
You know what I mean our grandbaby just kicked in and
your shirt's amazing sorry butI mean, that's our grandbaby.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
You know, one of our grandbabies agent.
To think about somebody tryingto abuse him or brainwash him at
that age makes me want to fightyeah, the only thing we can
instill upon small,impressionable children is
greatness and learning and beingprosperous.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
That's the only.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
And chocolate chip waffles that they fucking love
today.
Chocolate chip waffles, theyloved it.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
And we were so grandparent mode dude.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Oh, let's give them all the shit, Well listen.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
one of the greatest moments of my life was when my
dad pulled me to the side andsaid I just want you to know
that me and your mom were justwatching you and Jesse with
these grandbabies and y'all areincredible grandparents and I'm
like thank you, dad.
I didn't know what else to say,but I didn't want to fucking

(57:31):
cry right there, but I wanted toat the same time.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Which you aspire to be.
Yes, you want to level up tothat status, and you know what
it can be overwhelming.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
But it's still not hard.
No, when they all get whiny atthe same time, I lose my fucking
mind a little bit and I'm like,all right, we calm you down.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Yeah Well, we have a great time being us and spoiling
them and being goodgrandparents.
We're here to teach and that'sour job, so we have a great job
at it.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
But I just want to.
I thought it was funny howAmanda was like I, how Amanda
was like I love, how you'rebuying them all these chocolate
chip waffles and sweet assthings and then sending them
home to their parents.
I'm like, well, duh, that'swhat grandparents are supposed
to do.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
That's exactly what we're supposed to do Shit, yeah,
and spoil them, yes, and we'renot going to talk shit about
their parents.
We're going to pump them upwhile we're here, while they're
hanging out with us, or whatever.
Make them glorified too.
Make them glorified too All therespect, all the good stuff,
spoil the shit out of them andthen send them right the hell
back home.
That's our job.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Yep Perfect.
It was a good day, so is thisit.
Is this the whole ass story?
That's the end of our story ofJenny Haynes.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
You have completely.
I mean, I was crying.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
I was too, and I've researched this all week and I
didn't break down, and I don'tknow how, because I was PMSing
since, like Monday.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
I was crying in this.
I couldn't even make good jokes.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
I couldn't Well, sometimes it's hard.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
It was really tough.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
It's hard to make a joke through something like this
.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
It was really tough.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
But we do try to make these awful cases as
lighthearted as we can.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
The knowledge, though .

Speaker 1 (59:03):
But you need yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
The appreciation and everything that I want to give
this woman.
I want to send her a littlepackage of stuff and we'll get
with them.
Wait, when you watch thisdocumentary and I want you to.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
I'm going to send it to you so you can put it in our
show notes, because I want youall to watch her transition.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
How it snaps into different whole personalities,
personas mannerisms.
Notes because I want you towatch her transition into these
other, how it snaps intodifferent whole personalities,
personas, mannerisms.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
When Symphony comes in, she's got a higher voice,
she talks like a little girl andthen when Muscles or Rick or
Little Ricky, when they talkthey have more of a manly
machismo type and it's not likemacho-y at all, but it's just
like it's different.
It's different than her.
Yeah, it's insane.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
I hate that.
This is a thing I really do too.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
People don't hurt people.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
But putting this out, it can be something you know,
if someone can.
Awareness, oh awareness.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Do not shrug off or not believe somebody that is
struggling with something likethis.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Yeah, and if you have a kid that decides that they
have something else going on intheir head and they say anything
that this is somebody elsethat's inside my head, pay
attention.
Really, do God, that's a realthing, it really is.
And it took, and thank youlindsey for telling me this and
and I'm trying to wrap my headaround it still, but I kind of

(01:00:30):
get it, you know and yeah andit's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
It's just so sad that it took several psychiatrists
for decades before she found theright one.
So yeah, dr george, you areamazing.
Yeah, detective stimulus you,paul st George.
You are amazing.
Detective Stamolis, paulStamolis, you are amazing for
believing her Approach all ofthat with open arms.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
For helping her.
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Because it was true.
I mean, she wasn't bullshittingyou at all.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
I believe it.
Well, I mean they found that itwas true, the physical evidence
.
The man finally broke down andadmitted to it.
Yeah, the developmental processof a child becoming a young
adult, basically I mean really,really horrific.
Can I play music?

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
You can.
What band Are we plugging today?
I'm excited for this one.
I already know, are we?
I already know what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
I hooked up with this amazing YouTuber that created a
band and he did YouTube stuffof reggae and all this stuff,
millions of followers, justamazing group.
He decided to get his bandtogether, aurora Wave, and I
want to play them.
Featuring who?
Oh, it's featuring somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Yes it is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Somebody that's going to be at Rockville.
Yes yeah, Ohanzilla from attilafranzilla from attila love it,
love it.
And this is the summer vibe andI've been wanting to play this
forever.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
When we saw attila, that was a whole ass fucking.
Vibe silas was on the rail.
He's sitting right here now.
He did not listen to the restof this, just want you guys to
know he did not.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
He just walked in for the music part.
But for the music part hewalked in.
We're going to let him hang outfor a second, as long as he's
quiet over there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
He had a great time.
You smell like the outside.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
But Attila is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
You had a great time at Attila, didn't you?
You can say, yeah, yeah, youwere on the rail and you are.
I have a video of you.
You were just having a greattime during attila and then you
were like all right, I want togo ride the water, a water slide
now, because it was right bythat stage that they were
playing at.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Pennywise was playing and you wanted to see them, but
you want to do the water slideinstead yeah, he was.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
He was a water slide dweller that year, but you stay.
You were on the rail For Attila.
You got even closer To me andDaddy, we were right behind him,
but he got right on the rail.
I do like Attila.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
He loves him, attila, and they're gonna be On this
song.
Well, franz From Attila, it'syour summer vibe.
I swear to God Follow thiswhole band.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
This is a great song.
He's already let me Previewthis one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
I have been listening to all of their catalog.
They're so amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Aurora Wave.
Aurora Wave Featuring Framzilla.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
And this song is called Kindness and I want you
guys to check it out and checkout Aurora Wave, their whole
catalog.
We'll see Fram's at Rockville.
I'm just hoping we can catch alittle bit of you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
We will, we're going to work it out because we're
troopers, we're troopers.
They are playing around thesame time as Barretooth, so
we're going to have to run,we're going to work it out,
we're going to work it out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
It's going to happen, so yeah, so, without further
ado, one of my favorite bands sofar on this podcast, this is
Aurora Wave, and this song iscalled Kindness.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
I'm down to play it.
Cool, I can just let it slideand, as a matter of fact, I
wouldn't waste my time A pennyfor your thoughts.
You must have lost your mind.
So keep your two cents, cause Idon't nickel and dime so wicked
, malicious and vindictive,attempting to play victim.
Oh, oh, it's me Just quitting.
I'm not without the talk.
Listen for the birds with thebullshit.

(01:04:27):
All right, you want a piece ofme?
We'll come and get it.
I got a lot to love to get tothe world, but if you press your
luck, I won't sweat it.
Middle fingers up, cause Idon't give a fuck now.
Oh, did it all.
Now you know.
So you better believe me.
Taught me what I'm saying.
I really mean this.

(01:04:47):
Don't mistake my kindness forweakness.
Don't mistake my kindness forweakness.
You got a lot of nerve.
I came to fucking serve.
One day you'll realize everyonegets what they deserve.
Just take a fucking look.

(01:05:08):
This car has got you shook.
You took the wrong path, made abad choice.
You're a crook Paralyzed by mykindness.
Look at you now.
You took advantage of mybattles.
They're willing to go.
Took the high road.
I know where I belong.
Take my place and close thoseapart.
You wanna be some evil comingin.
I got a lot to love to give tothe world, but if you press your

(01:05:31):
luck, I won't sweat it.
Middle fingers up, cause Idon't give a fuck now.
Oh, didn't know.
Now you know.
So you better believe me.
Tell me what I say.
I really mean this.
Don't mistake my kindness forweakness.
Fear mistaken kindness forweakness.
Fear mistaken kindness forweakness.

(01:05:56):
Don't doubt about yourconscience.
Take a look inside your mind.
It's a pivotal part of nature.
Don't be afraid of what you get.
Decide, follow the signs.
Unlock your mind.
It's a pivotal part of nature.
Don't be a lullaby.
Watch your brain as you decide.
Follow the signs.
I know you're mine, but it'llwind when you understand.
Reality is more than BCI.
You want a piece of me.
We'll come and get it.
I got a lot to love.
Take it to the world, but ifyou press your luck, I won't

(01:06:16):
sweat it.
We don't pick us up, cause Ican't give a fuck now.
Oh, you did it all.
Now you know.
So you're mad about me.
Did I tell you what I said?
Why really me?
Why did you lie to me?
Why did you ask you want apiece of me?
Well, call me your name.
I got a lot to love.
Dig into the world, but if youbreak your luck, I won't sweat

(01:06:39):
it Me.
Don't take a song, cause Ican't give a fuck now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Oh my, I love that song so much.
God Lindsay, that is the summervibe.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
That is what I'm going to live.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Yeah, we're adding that to the summer playlist.
We have this playlist that weplay at the beach.
I cannot believe that I hookedup with this dude in the band.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
You guys deserve everything, everything.
I want to see you on the mainstage at Rockville.
Yeah, god, yeah, you deserve it.
You deserve it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Yes, every yeah.
You deserve it.
You deserve, yes, every bit ofit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Aurora rave, rockville 2026.
We are manifesting that for you, I'm gonna hit up danny, I'm
gonna tell danny to play.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
You guys, we're manifesting that for you because
we're gonna be there.
We're gonna be on the rail, ifI can play at rockville.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
You guys can damn sure play at fucking rock that
was a fucking great year.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Yeah, 2021 was phenomenal I mean we love them
all.
They all have their own specialhighlights.
2021 was great because it wasin november.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Yeah, it was post-covid the we were free
phenomenal yes, the lineup wasgreat, the weather was great it
was just, we had all the acts,the backstage access.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Jesse got to play at Rockville.
That was fucking awesome.
It was very stressful in thebeginning but then, once you got
on stage after that, everythingwas chill and beautiful as fuck
.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
It was great If I can play there.
Aurora Wave needs to be there.
Yes, Come on.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Come on, we're going to tag DWP Play Aurora Wave.
Yeah, invite them to Rockville.
Yes, come on.
Come on, we're going to tag DWPPlay Aurora Rave.
Yeah, invite them to Rockville2026.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
These guys are going to be.
They're already like millionsof views on this song.
Millions, oh yeah.
Thank you, Franz, for gettingon this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
We'll tag you in this , Franz.
Your part in that is obviouslyin my heart.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
I'm in so many groups with Franz.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Me too.
I'm in so many groups withFranz.
Me too, I'm on his.
I have a community chat withhim that I'm in on Insta.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
I talked to him a couple of times a couple of
years ago when my band wasgetting pretty hot Well as your
band mom, I hit him up when hewas when they were doing the
thing where they were featuringlocal talent on Sundays.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Yeah, he played us yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Featuring local talent on Sundays yeah, they
played us yeah, it was greatstuff.
Yes, love you, franz, love you,aurora Wave.
You guys are, my summer hit youare Absolutely, absolutely.
You have my heart all summeryou do.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Yes, we're going to ride the Aurora Wave.
Aurora Wave ride.
Sorry, I have a speechimpediment.
It's hard for me to say Aurora,but I'm going to do my best.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Yeah, we had a phenomenal time.
You puddled me.
I couldn't even laugh in myplant over here.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
No, he cried in the plant.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
I cried in the plant.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
He gave the peace lily some tears.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
We're going to get off here, but we're going to
check out this thing thatLindsay's going to show me and
I'm going to get puddled somemore, but this drink is
phenomenal the day that thisepisode airs, we will be day two
at Rockville, so make sure thatyou follow us on Instagram at
drinkaboutsomething.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Follow us on the website drinkaboutsomethingsite
Everything's there.
Where you can find ourInstagram YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Send us an email.
If you just type in Gen Z onGoogle, we're there
J-E-N-D-S-E-Y.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
At drinkaboutsomethingpod at
gmailcom.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
But yes, make sure you follow us, so you can go to
Rockville with us.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Yeah, because we're going to be handing out stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
We will show you how to rock GA passes with the
camping all weekend long.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
We have a great time.
So ready.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
We're veterans, ten-year veterans, I can even
give you tips on how to be.
What do you call it?
Nerd gone camping?

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Yes, she is I do, but we're comfortable.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Yeah, it's Saturday and we have all of our shit
already ready, like halfwayready to go when we leave out
for leaving out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Thursday morning yeah , we're a week ahead ready.
Yeah, out Thursday morning.
Yeah, we're a week ahead ready.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Yeah, but we've been collecting all of our shit.
I've got all my alcoholpurchased.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
I fell in love with Lindsay but she picked up on
some of the shit that I do too,like packing all my stuff in
Tupperware bins.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Yes, and it actually especially when you're camping.
It makes a lot of sense becauseit keeps all your stuff safe.
It does From any kind ofweather damage, and camping.
I'm going to tell y'all howmany hotels have we bought.
We bought two hotels and oneAirbnb in Daytona.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
I was going to say four, but it was three yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
Yeah, we were burnt and we're camping all the way
every year period from now onit's the vibe yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
And the fam and Orange Lot's where it's at.
We'll see you guys at Rockville.
Check us out.
We're going to be recordingthere.
We'll see you guys next weekendtoo.
On here and next Friday.
We're just going to put moreand more and more stuff out.
Lindsey's got tons of it.
Follow, share, like.
We'll see you guys then.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Bye.