EPISODE 32: The daughter from hell

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Jesse, Hello.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
What are you drinking today?
Tang a motherfucking Ray.
Tang a Ray.
Yeah, do you remember the TangRay commercials with the Tang
Ray guy?
He had like a cool little haton and shit and he was very
Australian.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Are you fucking kidding me right now?
Yeah, I don't fucking rememberit.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
And Tang Ray is also One of my favorite characters
From a show of all time.
Karen Walker, that bitch lovessome Tangray.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's good.
What are you drinking?

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I am having a raspberry Vista Bay Because you
picked that out of the freezerfor me, vista Bay.
So we have an outside fridgethat it frigidaires, but the
freezer part is just a colderversion of the refrigerator,
because it's old.
It's old hot in florida yeah,everything to freeze outside

(00:55):
yeah, I have frozen um anothercase of water bottles to just
keep rotating out there to keepall that cold, because now we're
in the heat and it's in theelements, even though it's under
the shady part of our backporch, it's still we got to keep
ice in it.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
It's our old beer locker.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
And we love it, though we want to keep it.
We want to keep it rollingbecause we need that second
fridge.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
You know what, Lindsay?
What made me feel old?
Because you like to drop thison me.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Oh Cause you like to drop this on me, oh my.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
God.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
You're going there already?
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I'm trying to jump ahead of you on this old thing.
This has been something thatyou've been fixated on me, so
now I'm like fixated on it, Iguess.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Okay, get it off your chest.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Rockville took me a whole week to get over.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
I.
Today is the first day that Ihave felt normal.
So yeah, we're in the same boat.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
We need a cruise.
Right, well, ok, so you need acruise after Rockville to
recover.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Our last episode was Rockville recap and then a
memorial to Chester Benningtonand Chris Cornell.
So, and it was on Sunday, so werocked the fuck out on Sunday.
We had a blast.
We ended the night with Korn,which is always like when I see
Jonathan Davis appear, didn't?

(02:19):
They come out the gate hard,didn't they?

Speaker 2 (02:21):
They came out with blind, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
And then twist.
They came out the gate hard,didn't they?
Yeah, they came out the gatehard.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
They came out blind, oh my God.
And then twist.
So it was like blind twist andthen twist.
They came out so hard.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
And then falling away and then got the life.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
And then shoots and ladders.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
They did.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, it was like bam bam, bam, bam, bam, yeah, and
yeah, well, we were, but theykept cracking.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
And it's not, you know.
It's not that we're notdisrespecting the bands.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
No, that was our third corning.
We've seen corning three times.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
I've seen them four.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's notWell we would have seen them
five.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
But Rockville 2022 was our want, want Rockville.
Like we always make it a goodtime, but there was so much rain
and lightning, that's what,like we'll stand out in a
fucking crowd and rain, but whenit's lightning they make you
leave.
Yeah, we give up.
Yeah, we're not.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
And I need to see no place to hide back.
I know you do.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
That was a thing for me but it's not a thing for them
, and I was sad that I didn'tget a.
Y'all want a single safe.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Because I literally woke up Sunday morning singing
that in my sleep.
They probably played it whilewe were taking a shower.
They probably did.
Yeah, we left early and waslike I'm gonna wash my hands.
Well, they closed.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
they closed the showers by 1am and you already
have to stand in line to get one, so we do sometimes have to cut
out the headliners a little bit.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, cut out the headliners a little bit.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, I did a review on all that I mean.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
I think we need a couple more showers in Orange
Lot we need to have the showersopen until 2.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Because if you want to be able to get a shower after
you've finished an entireheadliner set, you need the
showers open until 2.
It's just how it is.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Other than that, I think Rockville did a great job.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
It was hot as fuck the first day, and then they
really accommodated the secondday, so yeah, they cut the water
price from 450 a bottle to twodollars because it should never
be 450 a bottle.
I'm sorry it shouldn't.
We are always prepared for that.
We save and we we have ourmoney in order when we go.
But for newcomers, people thatare not veterans, they don't

(04:24):
know.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
So listen, hit us up.
If you want tips for festivals,hit us up.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
We'll give you it all .
We'll give you an itinerary.
We saved hundreds of dollars.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Hundreds of dollars.
It was great Just for, like youknow, GA type stuff.
But I mean, we're not doing iton the cheap.
We don't care how much we spend.
We take $1,200.
We take $1,200.
We know yeah we take $1,200.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
And this year we saved $300 by limiting our water
cost and sharing food.
Yeah and tips.
Yeah and the tips.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, if you're going to drink at Rockville, why pay
15% when they're reaching in acooler venue Now?

Speaker 1 (05:00):
listen, I'm a server by trade and I am a very, very
generous tipper.
But if somebody is justscrewing a top off for me, I
don't want to tip more than adollar per drink.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, two dollars is adequate.
So, a dollar is adequate.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, so that's what we did.
We did a dollar per drink, andthen we did a little bit more
for food.
Yeah, so, yeah, we did a dollarper drink and then we did a
little bit more for food.
Yeah, we had a great time.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
DWP really did help.
They closed up some of the bigtents, put air conditioning in
there.
It was a great time.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
The Octane or the Sirius XM tent was like our jam,
because we could go in thereand meet rock stars and hang out
with Jose and Megan and get airconditioning all at the same
time.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
And Shannon Guns.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
And Shannon Guns and Katie Babs.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
And Katie Babs.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yes, we love you guys , so much.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, they're the voice of our realm because, you
know, we like satellite radio,so Absolutely so.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Uh, we're gonna roll that intro.
Is that what we're going to do?
And get this shit started.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
We're going to get fired up.
I'm still in Rockville land.
Yes, happy Friday.
I'm going to bump it a littlebit.
I'm going to bump this.
Y'all ready?
Y'all want to hear it say fuckthat, fuck that.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Fuck that.
Want to hear it say fuck that,fuck that, fuck that.
Want to hear us say fuck that,fuck that, fuck that.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
My favorite band at Rockville.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Who Snot?
Oh, I know If you guys followme on TikTok, drink about
something underscore.
Lindsay and I have day one andday two on there.
I did not get enough videos todo day two and day three, but

(07:03):
we're going to work on that.
But on day two, or I'm sorryyou didn't get three and four.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I just put something together.
I put it up there too.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
But yes, on day four I have a video of Jesse just
dancing, right, I mean, it'sjust glorious.
He's happy, he's in this littleelement.
And then Amanda, the bestie,she, she, she, that who was, who
was our guest?
They sounded so, they did they.
It was a great.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Did you look up on the stage and see all the other
rock stars like?

Speaker 3 (07:33):
watching them.
Yes, I did.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
So many people came and watched them.
It was just the hype of thewhole thing.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
It was a I mean an amazing way to kick off our last
day, sunday Rockville it was abeautiful day, it was glorious,
I was hype, so what are wedrinking about?
So hold on, hold on, listen,we're going to get there.
So first off, I want to saythat we do get the blues every

(08:00):
every year that we leaveRockville.
So we came home and we unpacked, and we unloaded and so I was
like you know what, after Jessetook a nap from the driving, I
was like I want to watch somecomedies to get these blues out
of me.
And then we did.
We watched some funny ass shit.
Well, what did we watch?
We watched Old School andTropic Thunder, and then Jesse.

(08:24):
It was Jesse's turn to pick andhe decided to find a Robin
Williams movie that literally itpuddled us, puddled the fuck
out of us.
Then I was like all right, Ineed to catch up with the Last
of Us.
That shit puddled me.
Then, the very next day, we gotthe episode of the decade.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
The Handmaid's.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
On Handmaid's Tale.
We're rocking our Handmaid'sshit today, oh my God.
And today, after I busted assscrubbing and cleaning this
house, I got on TikTok andstarted doom scrolling and every
fucking post that was in my FYPwas people's reactions to that

(09:17):
episode.
I'm going to cry right now, ohmy God.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
It was so fucking badass, it was amazing.
Can I change the subject realquick?
I don't want to cry right now.
Oh my God, it was so fuckingbadass.
Yes, it was, it was amazing.
Can I change the subject?

Speaker 1 (09:28):
real quick.
I don't want to do any spoilers, but Can I change it?

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Don't spoil it, fuck.
Okay.
What do you think aboutAll-American Rejects fucking
playing shows in people's yardsand shit.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
right now I have no idea about that.
You haven't seen that, isn'tthat?
They're just popping up.
I literally just told you whatmy FYP was.
There's nothing else but ahandmaid's tale on my FYP and
Rockville and people postingabout Rockville.
That's my new thing.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
All American Rejects are traveling around the United
States right now MainlyCalifornia right now and they're
just like hey, we're playing ashow in fucking bumfuck whatever
town at somebody's backyard,and they show up.
A couple thousand people showup, they RSVP, they're doing
bowling alleys, people'sbackyards Like dormitories.
They're doing like crazy shitright now.
And you know why?

(10:11):
Because fuck Ticketmaster, yeah, fuck Ticketmaster, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
And Ticketmaster, I need you to help me understand,
when I try to purchase a ticketon a pre-sale, why you don't
like me.
Why you don't like me, why youdon't want my money.
Because I have to get Jesse'sdrummer every time If we're
going to a show at the same time.
I have to get him to buy mytickets and I just send him the
money Because you don't want meto get on that pre-sale, even

(10:39):
though I've put in the code.
I got the money.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
I got the money bitch bitch.
I don't want to give them mymoney.
I hate it.
The markups how much they markthat shit up.
And then they sit, and then,and then the processing fee is
like 40 goddamn dollars.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Like, help me, help me understand that.
So fuck you ticket master.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yes, we're gonna all the rock bands that are fighting
against that.
Yes, you know, because don't,don't do it.
The technology is here.
We can just buy from you.
Go buy it from our website.
The tickets are here.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
We rented out this whole fucking stadium and that's
what we try to do, butsometimes it'll redirect me to
Ticketmaster yeah, I feel likefront gate isn't as bad.
No, because I front gate isfront gate.
But yeah, so I was.
I've already been trying tolook at other shows to go to,
but they don't, they don't, theydon't coincide with our
schedule.
But anyways, if you are newhere, what we do is we have a

(11:31):
drink and we talk about truecrime and at the end of the
episode we plug a band that weare digging, that Jesse has
reached out to and gotpermission to play, and we think
you should listen to them,because all headlining bands,
all touring bands, everythingguess where they started?

(11:52):
They started locally.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
And that's why I love All-American Rejects.
They're playing on the grass.
That's amazing.
There's no stage, literally onthe grass, somebody's backyard,
where they started.
I've been there, every band'sbeen there.
I love it, I love it.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
That's where you need to go back to.
I think ACDC needs to do it.
I love going to labels.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Metallica needs to do it Just play small shit.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Oh my God, Could you imagine?
Just do it, you got enoughmoney, you're good, we hit up
James Hentfield and we're likecan you play in our backyard?
And they were like yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, on our porch.
Just hang out, we'll throw youa beer.
You can smoke your cigaroutside, it's okay, oh, but yeah
.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
So what we are drinking about today is a young
lady named Jennifer Pan.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Jennifer Pan.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Jennifer Pan, we're going to Kanata In Kanata.
In Kanata.
We're going to Kanata, that'sawesome.
We're going back to Kanata andthere's going to be some
familiar names that you'll hearin just like literally three
seconds.
Three seconds.
Jennifer Pan she was born onJune 17th 1986 to Han Pan and

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Bich Ha Pan, or Pan.
So I'm going to say it, I'mgoing to rewind it's Han Pan and
Bich Ha Pan, who were Chineserefugees from Vietnam, who then
came to Canada as refugees.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
A lot of Canada.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yes, so a hand and Bic were.
I'm sorry this was awful, butmy tablet that I type this shit
out on it kept auto correctingBic to bitch.
But it's Bic B-I-C-H.
That is how you bitch, but it'sBic B-I-C-H.
That is how you say her name.
No T involved.
No T involved, okay, okay.

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Okay, han and Bic were marriedand lived in Scarborough,
toronto, toronto.
You don't recognize Scarborough, yeah, from Handmaid's.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
No, no, from what?

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Paul Bernardo.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Paul Bernardo Was the Scarborough rapist, but
Handmaid's they were in Torontoas well.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Toronto is fucking huge.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
I'm coming to realize that is the biggest city in
Kanata right.
There's so many provinces ofToronto or Vancouver, I don't
know, whatever.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
So, and then they moved to Markham, toronto, my
maiden name.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Miss Markham, toronto .
Yes, in Kanata.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
And Markham actually has a large Asian population,
where Han and Bic worked atMagna International making auto
parts, so they were like factoryworkers for an auto parts place
.
And Jennifer had a youngerbrother named Felix, but he
doesn't play like a huge role inthe story, but he exists.

(14:56):
I want some Vietnamese food Metoo.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Me too, and we're going to get some.
I want it.
Yes, need to, and we're gonnaget some.
I want it, yes.
Han and Bic had very higheducational expectations for
their children, as well as manyextracurricular activities that
they wanted their children to bein.
Jennifer was made to take musictheory and harmony lessons,

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figure skating, and she didreally well with figure skating
all the way up until, I think,about middle school, and she got
a knee injury that made her shehad to, she had, no, was no
longer able to do it after thatand um.
She also played piano from theage of four.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah.
So Han and Bic were very stricton Jennifer and didn't let her
do much other than school andall the activities, and this
sort of parenting is what isreferred to as tiger parenting,
which is very common in theAsian and Indonesian community.

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And this is the.
You better make good grades andbecome extremely successful and
take care of me when you'reolder type parenting.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
This is why there's some tradition that goes on.
It's very.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
I mean, um, this makes me think of so.
I and when I was in high school, we had a Japanese foreign
exchange student.
When I was in, was it 10thgrade, yeah, so it was the year
I turned 16 and her name wasTomoko.
She was so freaking cute, soit's a freaking tiny like she

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still look like she was 12 andwe were, you know, and I invited
her to my 16.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
You could we're like bitch first of all, you just set

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the bar and we can't even seethe bar.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
You are.
Every single other person inour class made a C or lower.
Wow, and Tomoka made an ABecause, guess what?
They have higher expectationsand higher educational
everything.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, they stay full on, you know.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
And plus it seems like you know.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
You can't do that to us ma'am.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Not a stereotype, but it just does seem like that
Asian folks get it way more thanus.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Well, a lot of.
I watched a documentary calledwhat Jennifer Did.
There's a lot.
It's in that culture, it's inthat community.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
It's a culturalistic, developmental thing, you know.
So like the parents are pushingit way more than our parents
would have, yes, and at the sametime they get it easier.
Maybe it's just some geneticsin there too, maybe.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
I don't know.
Well, I think also that theystart that level of math at a
younger age.
Yeah, Because she literallysaid she had already known that
level of math for like two years.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Okay, and they were more in contact with that kind
of new to us with that kind ofchallenge and that adaptivity to
be like to rise up.
You know they're already aroundit, way more than anybody else
at our age.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Right.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, at the time I get it.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
And I mean.
You know cause.
If these kids made less than an, a, they were scolded profusely
for doing less than exceptional, jennifer, she was not allowed
to date, she wasn't allowed toreally hang out with friends and
by the age of 22, she had nevergone to a club, gotten drunk or

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visited any place without herfamily by 22,.
Jesse, I get it.
What do you mean?
You get it.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I get the whole thing .
They're really pushing theirkids and they're breaking them
away from anything fun in life.
Our parents kind of give in asfar as the structure part of it
where they're pushing further.
So it's both unhealthy.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
But could you, yeah, yeah, I'm just saying could you
imagine being 22 years old,you're still living at home and
you, jennifer, was still beinggrounded for things?
Yeah, at 22 years old?

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Her parents, grew up in a communist society, I mean I
get it.
There's.
No, I mean they probably leftout of North Vietnam.
You know they were.
So I mean I get it.
There's.
No, I mean they probably leftout of north vietnam.
You know they weren't.
So I mean I get it.
Culture, the culture thing, Iget it.
It's not good.
No, I don't agree on that.
No, I don't agree on it.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
No, but I get it, you know I wasn't expecting you to
click with that as much, becausethat leaves a lot of discussion
out.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
But anyway, I'm not trying to sell your ship short.
How do you say that I'm gettinga little?
I'm not trying to sell yourship short.
I'm just saying I understandhow culture works globally and I
get it.
It's not right.
I don't support it, but I getit.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Well, somewhere in high school school I'm not sure
what, because you know theireducational system is a little
different than ours in canada.
She was on her way tovaledictorian, but somewhere
along the way she was losingthat and she actually like fell

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off way low, to where her gradeswere in like the 70th
percentile and her parents werewanting her to make straight A's
.
So she starts forging documents.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Oh, so her train kind of derailed a little bit that
they wanted her to go toward,and I get that too.
That's, that's where.
That's where some salad startscoming into play, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Well, she learned how to forge report cards and she
even she photoshopped hergraduation document.
I mean like, and her parentshad that shit on the wall.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
So she didn't graduate?
No, oh, she fuckery.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
So she failed a calculus class and she?
But she forged a documentsaying that she had graduated
high school and she was on herway to university.
Her excuse, because my thingwas okay.
How did they not know that shedidn't graduate high school?
Well, they had a ticket systemup there and she told her

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parents that all the tickets hadsold out, so they weren't able
to attend.
Oh yeah, so because to me thiswhole, this whole web of lies
that I'm going to explain to youhere in a minute, it was very
weird to me, like how Becauseit's different here, there's not
you can you just show up to thefucking high school and you sit

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and you watch your kid graduate.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Oh, the time span and their, her parents, age and
everything.
They don't really know all theworkings of everything.
All they know is they're goingto push the shit out of their
kid, oppress them and into beingsuch a great she was under so
much a communist type set setupand the whole family, the whole
culture, everything I mean I.

(22:29):
That's where I I fullyunderstand my pencil.
I'm so sorry I fully understandit because I mean as being
countries both from you know,created from immigrants.
Really, you get around some ofthat and conversations
throughout your life and you'relike wow, it's kind of fucked up
, but at the same time like youhave to see what it really was
that their parents you know hergrandparents went through and

(22:52):
you know the things that theydid for thousands of years.
They wanted to stick with thosetraditions, you know.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Well, this pressure was so much on her mental health
that she started cuttingherself for as a coping
mechanism.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, she was exposed to a better way out and she
couldn't get it.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, and, of course, she did not get into university
, but she pretended to attendand, instead of actually going
to school, she sat in cafes likefor the whole day.
She taught piano on the side tomake money, and she worked at a
restaurant it was, uh, sheworked at Boston pizza, which

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we'll talk about here in just aminute, and she actually lied,
because you know when, when yourkids go to college you got to
if they don't get scholarships,you're going to have to pay for
it.
Well, since she didn't get intouniversity and she's telling
her parents she did, she lied tothem and said I got all these

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scholarships.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Right.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
So you don't have to pay a thing.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
But stepping back as the parents Okay, she's
Vietnamese, right, she's in anAsian community.
What would their daughter havehad if she didn't graduate Food
Service?

Speaker 1 (24:14):
She wouldn't have went on to have that business
career.
Well, she was an amazing pianoplayer to the point where she
was an instructor.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Obviously, she's amazingly brilliant obviously by
far I get that, but as parentsthey were trying to push her
into all that, which wasoppression in a way, because
they knew that she wouldn't havehad anything if she wouldn't
have graduated.
So they overdid it.
There's a balance there, youknow.
And then culture and knowingthat, hey, you know, my

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daughter's not going to doanything else but work at a
laundromat or something, youknow, because and that was
unacceptable.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Right, they did not want her to do that.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
I would have been happy, I'm happy with just
working period, you know.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
So Han and Bic had, like they had job, they had
average ass Joe jobs but theyended up getting like they had a
really nice house and then theygot a Lexus and a Mercedes Wow,
really nice house.
And then they got a Lexus and aMercedes Wow.
And had over $200,000 saved.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
So they was doing the damn thing, though, you know,
without their selves being youknow higher standards and in
colleges with degrees and allthat.
So they still did a damn goodthing.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Well, there was a I, I.
I.
I'm so sorry, uh, but there's alot of information about this
case on YouTube, but I didforget to write down what she
actually wanted to study.
But for Han, her father, thatpart of the medical field wasn't
going to bring in enough money,so he was like I want you to go

(25:37):
into pharmacology.
So she lied to them and saidall right.
I got you I'm in thepharmacology program now.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, and I'm trying to come about this conversation
a little bit different than wehad before For some reason.
I'm just thinking I just kindof want to pan out both parts of
you know all the aspects of it,even wrong aspects, so that's
why I'm coming across a littlebit different on this one, sorry
, right.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Like I said, she lied to him about getting into the
pharmacology program, but shewas like you know what I got to?
I got to stick to this lie.
I got to make it believable.
So she purchased secondhandbooks on the program, she
watched videos on it and shetook notebooks full of notes on
this actual subject.

(26:27):
Wow, like she could have justdone the work and maybe got in.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
I don't know if you can action there.
I can't.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
I'm going to cover frank abagnale later on down the
road that was cool, but yeah uh, so far.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
I mean this is unhealthy, but it's kind of cool
at this point, you know yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
So she had to keep up the charade.
You know what I mean.
That's a tough battle.
And then now, when she was inhigh school, she wasn't allowed
to date but she, her parents,had allowed her to do some
schooling abroad.
So she went to Europe with theband because she played the
flute along with the piano andshe met this guy named his name

(27:07):
was I lost it.
His name is Daniel Chi KwongWong, or sorry, daniel Chi Kwong
Wong, who actually, like she,was in a, an environment where
people were like chain smokingand shit, and she had some
asthma problems.
So Daniel kind of saved herlife.
And then they grew attached andthey started dating and he he

(27:31):
was a little bit of a weed, aweed dealer on the side, which
kind of blew my mind becauseliterally since I was a teenager
, I thought that marijuana waslegal in Canada and they weren't
really strict on that, so Ididn't know that there was even
weed dealers up there.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
This would have been the 90s now, right.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
This was the 2000s.
Oh, ok, late 90s, early 2000sOK yeah, and from that time I
thought that Canada was likecannabis friendly, cannabis,
cannabis, yes, I don't know, Idon't know, I don't know if it
was or not, I guess because youknow you hear shit, you
speculate, you know peoplespeculate and all that shit, but

(28:13):
I literally heard there wascannabis cafes in Canada.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
In the 90s 2000s.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Late 90s, early 2000s .
I was hearing about it.
Yeah, I was hearing about thatshit.
So, daniel, he was a little bitof a weed dealer and he was
also the manager of Boston Pizza, which is where she worked to
make some money.
Her parents didn't know this,because she was pretending that
she was going to college thiswhole time.

(28:39):
The university that's what theycall it over there and in
Europe as well, it's uni.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Is that deep dish or Chicago style?
I?

Speaker 1 (28:47):
don't know what the fuck Boston pizza is.
When we go there, we're goingto have to see what kind of
pizza they have.
So, daniel, he was a mix ofChinese and Filipino ancestry
and he lived in Ajax, the Ajaxarea of Toronto.
Okay, such a big, it's gotburrows, it's got burrows, it's
got burrows Like Scarborough.

(29:07):
Yeah, jennifer, she wanted tostay with Daniel, so she told
her parents that, with her classload, she needed to stay with
her friend that lived closer tothe university, whose name was
Topaz.
But she was actually stayingwith Daniel.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
That's a cool ass name.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yes, topaz is a very cool name.
That's one of my favoritestones, honestly.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
I think it's my birthstone.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Is it?
Yeah, hold on, let's look it up.
Hey Google, what is December'sbirthstone?

Speaker 2 (29:35):
December is unique in having three primary
birthstones Tanzanite, known forits striking blue to violet
blue hues.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
It's a relatively recent discovery.
Turquoise is your main one.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
That was close, Topaz .
It didn't say all three, did itHold on?

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah, you didn't give it a chance.
Topaz wasn't on there, I readit.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Then why did they tell me my whole life that blue
Topaz was my fucking color man,my rock bro.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Who lies to me?
It's for November.
Who lies to me?
That's your sister's birthstone.
Nobody lies to you, soturquoise is me.
Turquoise.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Maybe that's why I love turquoise so much you do.
For fuck's sake.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah, you love all that tacky native jewelry.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
It is pretty, though, if it's done right If it's done
, right If it's done right.
I like the old style too.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
I like the old style, like the shit that you make in
your backyard.
I mean, honestly, I wantturquoise to come back in style,
because I want a shit ton of it.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
The whole squash blossoms, the whole fucking big
turquoise Navajo necklaces andshit that I didn't deserve and
wear anymore.
What?

Speaker 1 (30:41):
is my favorite, your favorite, rock, yeah.
How is that not on the top ofyour head?

Speaker 2 (30:48):
It's the purple one.
What the fuck, amethyst?
I can't think of it.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
And that's why I also love I used to hunt for you
amethyst rocks.
I was going to say well, that'salso why I love the wampum
jewelry, because it's got thepurple in it.
Wampum jewelry is the test.
Oh, wampum jewelry.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yes, I love Native American artwork and jewelry.
I love the old school stuff, Ilove the new school stuff, I
love it all.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Well, jennifer, we're going to get back to Jennifer
now.
She also pretended to volunteerand this is a legit place, but
it's not going to sound like it.
The Hospital for sick children.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
And she volunteered there.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
She pretended she did oh she pretended she
volunteered for it, but herparents were very suspicious
because she didn't have ahospital ID badge, she didn't
wear scrubs.
Why didn't she just volunteer?
Because you have to be in amedical program and she wasn't a
part of that.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
There's something you can do there.
You can volunteer where youain't got to do anything.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Well, maybe she just didn't want to do the work
because Jennifer has a lyingproblem and we're going to
figure this out.
She didn't want anything to dowith anything medical, obviously
she did, but it wasn't what herfather wanted for her and she
didn't want to bring shame uponher family so she just lied
Shame, yeah, shame, shame,ding-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling, shame
, shame.

(32:05):
So well, han, he got a littlesuspicious of this, so he
encouraged Bic to followJennifer.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Uh-oh, it's coming now.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, and guess what?
Her lie was discovered Shame.
And it was also Shame Broughtto their attention that she
hadn't even been going touniversity.
Shame, and she hadn't beengoing to high school.
I'm sorry she had to go intohigh school, but she didn't
complete high school.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
She didn't complete it.
Yes, shame, shame.
Are we done?
Shame.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
So her parents were like you know what bitch, this
is what you're going to do.
You're going to get your highschool diploma, you're going to
finish university and you'regoing to stop seeing fucking
Daniel Wong because, number one,he works at a pizza place.
He's not going to be able tofinancially support you and he's

(33:00):
not going to be able to supportus when we're old, because
that's what they did, that'swhat they wanted yeah, and um,
it's a so wanted yeah, and it'sa sockle yeah.
And second of all, we know thathe deals the weed and in the
90s and 2000s, weed was thedevil, even though you can go to
the store now and buy that shit.

(33:22):
Yeah, same as like alcohol, Iguess, to me.
And they were like you knowwhat?
You can get the fuck out if youwant to stay with Daniel, or
you can choose us.
And she chose her parents andshe is in her 20s, she's in her
20s.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Ready to live life, ready to fly.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
This is what mind boggles me Because my rebellious
ass could never, ever, ever.
I would rather sleep.
This is how rebellious I was.
I would have rather slept onthe street than deal with all of
this.
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I wouldhave.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
But we all made shitty choices.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, and even if later on I found out that that
was a shitty choice or myrebellious spirit would not have
allowed me to agree with any ofthis, it wouldn't have, and I
cannot contemplate how a personin their 20s would agree to this
.
So not only was she forbiddenfrom talking to her boyfriend,

(34:32):
they took her fucking phone.
Wow, they took her phone as awoman in her 20s, like she's 16
years old.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
I get it, Lindsay, but you're not looking at it
like a culturalistic thing thatshe's been raised up in.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
No, I'm not because I don't understand, you don't
transpire into understand.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
you don't, you don't transpire into what is deeply
ingrained into the household,into the family this one was so
hard for me because I'm like,why wouldn't you just go?

Speaker 1 (34:58):
their whole livelihood and mannerisms and
everything that they've done andaspired to do well, if she just
said, like you know what, I'mgonna do my own thing, we
wouldn't be telling the storyright now.
Right, right, right.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
So anyways, either way there's, like I said,
there's a deep rooted thing thatshe's grounded in her fucking
20s now.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
And she has no phone access, Except for like.
I don't understand why?

Speaker 2 (35:21):
No, this is hurting my head and I want you to shut
the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Why are you telling me this I can't wrap my brain
around it.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
I'm trying to wrap my fucking head around it, lindsay
, and that's the reason why Ikeep.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
I'm clapping back.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
I understand there's different cultures and I'm not
clapping back in a negative way.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
I'm saying there there's an understanding that
you have to also see, even if itis bad, you know it is shitty.
It is shitty, it is, and Idon't support it in any fucking
way.
I do not at all.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
No, it's a very shitty way of life, because I
wouldn't be sitting here tellingyou the story if she had just
been like you know what?
I'm gonna go live with danieland work at boston pizza and
figure this shit out, whichwould have been a great life it
would have had to quit.
I mean the lion's over Isupported a family working in a
fucking restaurant.
So, yeah, yeah, you can do it.
You can Anywho.

(36:06):
So she wasn't allowed to doanything but go to school and
teach piano.
Well, she was like you knowwhat I'm?
I'm going to tell you myparents, hot and Bic, that I'm
not going to see Daniel anymore.
But guess what?

Speaker 2 (36:21):
I really am you back the line Huh, she back the line.
Or she really is oh, she's backthe line.
She, you back the line.
Huh, she back the line.
Or she really is, oh, she'sback the line.
Yeah, she just lies all thetime.
She's back to her ways,jennifer.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Jennifer Pan is a liar y'all.
I don't know if you figuredthat out yet she's she lies a
lot.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, but she wanted her freedom though.
See, I get it, I get that.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
But she did.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
She chose to not take me off so hard, like that is
how you learn who you are andthat is how you learn how to
survive in life.
You have to go out on your ownin your goddamn 20s, failure or
not, you gotta go try it.
You gotta go try it.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, I get it so, anyways, jennifer, you're an
idiot.
So well, bick, she okay.
So han was the majordisciplinarian and the major
hard ass in this family, and Bicwas like I'm going to go along
with what my husband says, butI'm also going to get your phone
out of the lockbox or whereverit was and I'm going to let you

(37:16):
catch up with your messages.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
I feel like she should have left Han solo.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Bitch.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
That's just what I feel like she should have told
him that, yeah, she should havetold him, she should have told
him to millennium, and sheagreed with most of what he
wanted, but at the same time shewas like you know, yeah, this
girl's 20 fucking three yearsold.
I mean, I would have been out ofthere in 21 parseps for myself

(37:44):
so Bic was letting her get herphone and catch up on her
messages, where she wouldcontinue her relationship with
Daniel in secret, right?
But by 2009, this was six yearsinto their relationship, six
motherfucking years.
Her parents just found out thatthey were even dating.
Six years later, daniel waslike you know what?

(38:05):
I'm sick of this shit.
I'm going to move on.
You, uh, you hit me up whenyou're done being under your
parents' oppression and but fornow bye, bye.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, In any relationship it's a constant
struggle because she's trying tolive a lie on both sides, yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Well so so he broke things off and started seeing
someone else, a young womannamed Christine.
Well then Jennifer startedlying to Daniel to keep his
attention.
She told him that a man came toher house pretending to be a
police officer and then, afterthat, several men broke in and
trigger warning gang raped her.

(38:45):
What?
This is what she told Daniel.
This was a ploy to keep hisattention.
And then she also told Danielthat a bullet, a whole ass
fucking bullet, was mailed toher, and she blamed Daniel's new
girlfriend.
She blamed Christine.
She was like your newgirlfriend is just fucking,
she's organizing gang rapes onme.

(39:07):
She's sending me a bulletthreatening me in the mail.
And yeah, well, but Daniel, I'mthinking about the toxic song in
my head oh, you're toxic.
My voice is back, y'all.
Y'all.
Get some singing now, ok.
My voice is back.
Y'all.

(39:27):
Y'all get some singing now,okay.
So she would also send weirdcryptic messages to the new
girlfriend, harassing her aswell, but Daniel kept talking to
Jennifer, even though she wasclearly unwell, and they talked
to each other in baby talk andit was really.
It's really creepy, Like Danielwould call her monk, monk or
monkey, which literally sent meright over to the office,

(39:51):
because that's what Dwightcalled Angela monkey, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Hey, Marilyn Manson said he was a monkey.
You went outer space atRockville.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
He did.
Yeah, he was, he was a littleweird at Rockville.
He was a little weird, it wasfun, and she would call Daniel
Mr Bubbles, which made me thinkof Cobra Bubbles from Lilo and
Stitch.
So I've got Angela Kinsey andCobra Bubbles in my head.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
I was thinking of Mr Bigglesworth myself.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
That is a hairless kitty, still kind of Asian.
When we were in high school,that's what me and my friends
would call our Shaved lady parts.
Oh, was Mr Bigglesworth,because we're hairless kitties.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
I would have called mine, mr Dinkles.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Mr Dinkles, that's what my van sounds like when you
hit the lock button.
I think my man parts are nowcalled mr dinkles yes, now,
y'all know well, daniel, youknow he's still flirty and he's
still.
He's still texting jennifer,but he's like you know what.
We can continue thisrelationship when you decide to

(41:02):
leave home.
So jennifer decided to make aplan with Daniel a despicable
one and cause Daniel.
You know he had, he had done alittle bit of weed dealing and
he knew some shady people.
But it turns out Jenniferdidn't even really need him for
this.
She got in contact with a guythat she had known from

(41:24):
elementary school, which theycalled primary school, I think,
in that area of the world MaybeI don't know who talked about.
He had talked about robbingpeople at knife point and he had
talked about killing his ownfather Shit, and his name was
Andrew Montemayor Verysophisticated name.

(41:46):
Very suave, and he wouldintroduce her to his roommate
named Ricardo Duncan, who isdescribed as a goth kid, so he
was probably listening toMarilyn Manson, who they call
the goth father.
You know what I mean, which Ididn't know that until a few
years ago.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Do they?
Is that something new?

Speaker 1 (42:10):
no, we just called him fucking marilyn manson he
was just marilyn manson, but hewas the well, because that was
the dawn of the goth era, whenmarilyn manson yes, he was no it
was post grunge the dawn of thegoth era who the fuck?
Is ozzy osbourne.
Leave me alone.
That's the prince of darkness,the fucking god of all
everythingbourne.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Leave me alone.
That's the Prince of Darkness,the fucking God of all
everything goth.
Leave me alone, hey Google.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
I mean you can go to whatever they call it, but I'm
saying we're past.
That Is, Marilyn Manson calledthe goth father.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
No, marilyn Manson is not typically called the
godfather, not the godfather.
Yeah, kiss his ring.
What bullshit Get out of here.
I Kiss his ring Bullshit Getout of here.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
I've heard it, I've seen it.
A lot Okay On the internet web.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
I mean I'll go with it, Whatever.
Just fucking Marilyn Manson tome.
Well, so anyway.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
So, jennifer, she offered these guys $1,500 to
shoot her dad dead in theparking lot of his workplace,
but that plan did not go through.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
According to Jennifer .
Daniel, then puts her incontact with his old friend
Lenford Crawford, which he wouldjust refer to?

Speaker 2 (43:20):
I know.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
But he referred to him as homeboy.
Homeboy, and the new plan wasto orchestrate a break in and
kill her, jennifer, whileleaving her parents untouched.
This is according to Jennifer.
Ok, her reasoning was that shedidn't want to leave the shame

(43:44):
of a suicide on her family, sohomeboy was to kill her for
$10,000.
She was going to pay for herown death.
This was according to Jennifer.
Well, on November 2nd 2010,daniel texts Jennifer and says
that he feels about Christinethe way that she feels about him

(44:08):
, yeah.
And Jennifer says well, if youfeel for her what I feel for you
, then call it off with homeboy.
And Daniel says well, I thoughtyou wanted this for you.
And Jennifer says well, I do,but I have nowhere to go.
And then Daniel says call itoff with homeboy.

(44:29):
You said you wanted this withor without me.
And Jennifer says I want it forme.
The next day, daniel texts andsays I did everything, I lined
it up for you.
And then shortly, they wereback to their little weird baby
talk, dirty, flirty texts.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Dirty flirty, Dirty flirty.
This is going to be bad, MrBubbles.
This is going to be bad.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Mr Bubbles, are you okay with your weapons?

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Are you?

Speaker 1 (44:54):
okay, monkey, mr Dingles, I love you.
Mr Bubbles, yeah.
So meanwhile, homeboy gets incontact with Eric, sean Cardi,
who goes by Sniper, and thenSniper gets in contact with
David.

(45:14):
Hold on, let me get this right.
Malvanginim, okay, hold on.
Malvagator, malvagator,malvagator.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Malvagator, malvagator, malvagator,
malvagator, malvagator,malvagator, oh my God.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Malvag-da-rock.
Malvag-na oh my god, malvagMalvag-a-nim.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Malvag-a-nim you got it, I got it.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Malvag-a-nim.
So Homeboy.
Then texts Jennifer and says Ineed time of completion.
Think about it.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Doesn't Malvag-a-nim Sound like something you take to
go to sleep?

Speaker 1 (45:46):
No, it sounds like A villain from a Marvel movie
Legit Like Malvagnum.
I can't even say it.
I knew I was going to strugglewith this while I was sober.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
So I'm going to leave all this in here, and I've had
a few drinks, because this iskind of cool.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
I've had a few drinks and I'm really struggling.
Now.
Malvagnatory, yeah, now.
So malvagnatory, yeah, okay.
So, um, jennifer texts back andsays today is a no-go, I got
dinner plans so I won't be homein time.
Then several texts wereexchanged over the weekend and
then on november 8th, homeboytexts her and says after work

(46:22):
okay, we'll be game time.
That was like the test.
It's going down, it's goingdown.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Yeah, that's my Groucho face.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Oh, you brought back the Groucho.
Well, yeah, if you don't knowwhat we're talking about, listen
to our episodes on Myra Henleyand Ian Brady Don't remember
what number, but just scroll theGroucho eyebrows, the Groucho
eyebrows.
It's go time.
So we're still on november 8th.
Around 10 pm, jennifer unlockedthe door to her house and went

(46:52):
to bed and then spoke to david.
She spoke to david yeah, shewould have took some of that,
david m malvagnum and yeah hewould have went right to sleep
malvagnum we're fucking his nameup.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
So bad, so bad.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
We're sorry it's okay because fuck david okay so um
soon after, david and twoidentified men came through the
front door and they were armedand demanding money and began
ransacking the house.
They took Han and Bic to thebasement and shot them both

(47:30):
Right then and there Right thenand there Wasn't about her at
motherfucking all.
Then they tied Jennifer to thestaircase and left, and this is
the 911 call that was made.
Hey, ma'am.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
What the hell are you doing?
Please, just don't call meMa'am, ma'am, ma'am.
I don't have my parents, ma'am,calm down.
Some people broke into ourhouse.
Okay, okay, it shows all hismoney.
Okay, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, youonly have this.
Okay, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am,where are you?
What Avenue?
Avenue Road?
Yes, me, please.

(48:23):
Hello, I need to know youraddress Avenue road.
Can you spell the streetaddress for me, please?
I heard shots like pops.
I don't know what's happening.
I'm tied upstairs.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Oh my God, lindsay, that's so chaotic, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Right, Well, a lot of that, if you couldn't
understand, is in Vietnamese.
But yeah, that's stressful asfuck, right Like holy shit.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
I think she's selling the Titanic right now.
Motherfucking Titanic just gotsold right.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Well, as you get, OK.
So the screaming in thebackground, that's Han.
So Han survives the shootingand he runs outside.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
That's what she said.
My dad just ran outside, ok,but Bic she did not survive.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
So Han is solo, oh my God.
So Han ran outside, whileJennifer is quote unquote tied
up and Bic she's no longer withus.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Why am I getting all the eye rolls coming?
You're just like.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (49:26):
You're like tied up Because Like this is bullshit.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Yeah, tied up, yeah, well, I've already lit up, you
know.
Led up to this whole thing thatshe's orchestrating this Right
Oceanfront property in Arizona,but that fucking 911 call is
insane.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Yeah, that's why I'm eye rolling, because either way,
she just seen her dad bitchjust put on a performance yeah,
it was beautiful.
It was beautiful, but stilllike, even if you set all that
up, you just went through allthat, so it's fucking easily
sold.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
God, it's nasty so han runs out, he he's going
outside to seek help, but he andhe literally still has bullets
in his body right, and when theambulance came, they took him
right to the hospital and but hewould remain in a coma for a
few days.
So, jennifer, she was taken tothe police department around 2

(50:21):
45 am and she was interviewed byRandy Slade Now, that is a name
.
Yeah that's a name.
Yeah, that sounds like it wasmade.
Is that Detective?

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Detective.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Randy Slade, that's fire dude.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
I want to marry him right now.
I guarantee he smells like ifyou look at so if you want to
watch the documentary later.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
he looks just like a Randy Slade, Does he?
He looks like a Randy Slade.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
I'm not gay by any means, but still that sounds
sexy as fuck, dude.
Okay, I'm changing it.
It's no longer Mr Dinkles.
I'm changing my private partsto Randy Slade.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
So, jennifer, she recounts her version of the
events.
And Slade, let her go around.
It still goes mew.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
It's the goddamn tang of ray Lindsey.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Woo my homie.
So Slade, let her go around 4am.
But something just didn't seemright.
Something didn't sit right withold Randy.
My homie came through with agang of tang.
One thing that stood out to himwas that Jennifer asked how much
her phone would be investigated.
Oh yeah, sore thumb.

(51:43):
Now Han and Bic.
Like I mentioned earlier, theyboth drove nice vehicles.
They had a Lexus which wasBic's and a Mercedes which was
Han's and it was thought thatmaybe they had been targeted
because of their vehicles.
And Bic this is so cute.
She was out line dancing.

(52:03):
That she did every Monday, likeshe went line dancing every
week.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
You know how uncoordinated I am line dancing
is fun as fuck but I look like abumbling potato with two sticks
but you know what I have taughtyou?

Speaker 1 (52:21):
a few dances and you rock the fuck out of them.
Come on now, you do not you'relike bitch, we know this one,
this one, let's go, let's godance.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
And when we're in an event where you know the
predicted songs are going, tocome on, you know, for our age,
on a cruise ship we fucking rockthat shit, girl, we do.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Okay, we still do Okay, all right, I'm finishing
my pineapple Vista Bay.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
I'm oning right now.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Well, it was thought that maybe she was followed home
after her line dancing class.
And um, this was some intrudersthat thought that they may be
able to get some valuables froma woman that drove Alexis.
So Jennifer's home was now acrime scene.
So she could.
She couldn't go stay there, soshe went and stayed with

(53:07):
relatives while theinvestigation was underway.
Crimes like this were extremelyrare in this area.
The neighborhood was baffled,Investigators were baffled.
It was an insane situation.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
But was the setup even right?
Did they take the right shit?
Nope, we're going to get thereshit.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
nope, we're gonna get there okay well, someone after
you know, and everybody's out,they're trying to get
information on this, to try tobuild a case, to try to
understand what happened.
Someone came forward and saidthat jennifer's boyfriend,
daniel, had been a drug dealer.
So they started looking intohim, which is still.
I'm sorry.
It's wild to me because it wasjust fucking marijuana, but I do

(53:52):
know just from being aroundthat even just simple marijuana
dealers will be in contact withpeople that can possibly be in
heavier shit, right.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Well, what other association do they have for a
lead?
That's it, that's it.
That's all they have.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
So they started looking into Daniel and in his
interview he said that he andJennifer had been broken up for
a while, but they had previouslybeen together around six years,
but it was pretty much allbehind her parents back, and
that was true.
He told the truth about thatand when they were found out,
jennifer's parents said that hewasn't good enough for her and

(54:31):
they didn't like that.
He was Filipino and Daniel toldthe police that Jennifer's
parents had made her choose himor them, and she chose them, but
continued the relationshipsecretly pretty much until he
met Christine.
So then he told the police thathe and Jennifer had been in
contact again because they wereboth getting tons of prank calls

(54:54):
and texts, but the truth wasthat those were all Jennifer.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Jennifer had been pretending to get them as well,
so that her and Daniel wouldstay in contact.
So Jennifer's phone was theninvestigated and she was
interviewed again, pretending toget them as well, so that her
and Daniel would stay in contact.
So Jennifer's phone was theninvestigated and she was
interviewed again.
And you know, I listened tothese interviews and Randy Slade
he's really, he was excellentat his job.
Every time you say his name Iget wet.

(55:21):
I know right, I get a lady bone.
You get wet.
It's crazy, but he was so.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
I need to lady bone.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
You get wet.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
It's crazy, but he was, so I need to go wipe.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
This is nasty.
He was so excellent at his job.
He was like I'm on your side,girl.
You know, yeah, baby, I'm onyour side too.
He was like, so he was Shut up.
Lindsay, I'm allowed to talkabout Randy'm a slave.
Leave me a moment all right sorandy was telling her he was

(55:54):
like you know, I understand,you've been under a lot of
pressure.
Your parents had crazyexpectations for you that you
just could not live up to.
And so he, just like he, startscomforting her and, you know,
just letting her get her guarddown.
He knows how to do his fuckingjob.
And he was like you know youhad to lie a lot and you weren't

(56:17):
allowed to have any kind oflife and you couldn't date who
you wanted to and you weregrounded as a woman in her
twenties.
That's still insane to me.
I'm so sorry.
I will never.
I will never understand that.
Here it comes, and it's juststrange how the intruders shot
your parents but not you, andthe only thing that they took

(56:40):
from the house was money fromyou, because she had had $2,000
in her room that she gave theintruders.
But there was other money inthe house, Like Han had 60 bucks
in his wallet and Bic had $200in her purse, but they didn't

(57:00):
take that.
And they had two very nice carswhere the keys were visible to
be taken.
They could have drove off withthat Lexus and that Mercedes,
but they didn't, so why?
Well, then they also.
They were like how did you call911 while you were tied up?
And she reenacted it out forhim perfectly, Ooh, Well, they

(57:23):
let her go after the secondinterview.
But now how do you convince?
them Well she was officially goafter the second interview.
But now, how do you convincethem?
Well, she was officially asuspect now?
Oh, so well, she had to planher mother's funeral because
daddy's in a coma.
She had to plan her mother'sfuneral and her grandfather's
funeral Because, shortly afterBic was pronounced dead, her

(57:47):
father, who had already hadhealth issues, he passed away as
well.
Oh, wow, yeah.
So she had to plan her motherand her grandfather's funeral,
along with Felix, her youngerbrother.
And they're watching her atthis funeral the investigators,
the police you know she's undersurveillance now completely and

(58:09):
they noticed that there was notears, Like she would hang her
head and she would look like shewas crying, but she would look
up at them to see if they werewatching.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
It was very ungenuine yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
So you know she was trying to make these tears
appear, but it just wasn'thappening.
Well, during all of this Han,he woke up, he came alive, he
came out of his coma.
Now, it took a few days for himto be able to talk, but when he
did, he told police that theintruders were very friendly
with his daughter, jennifer,like she knew them.

(58:43):
So they interviewed her againand this time she tells them the
story about how she wasactually paying for her own
murder, not her parents.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
But that it just ended up.
It didn't seem likely.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
So Jennifer was taken into custody and they built
their case.
This would take three fuckingyears.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Why.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
I don't know why, I really couldn't get it.
But I mean, I guess it takes awhile because they have to track
down Eric Hardy, homeboy David,blah, blah, blah, blah blah and
David.
He was actually picked out of alineup by Han Pan, david Sleep,
hanpan, god.
I don't know why I want to keepsaying Hanpan, hanpan and the

(59:33):
others.
They actually connected througha burner phone.
Yeah, tracking thing that theycan do, yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
So now, when you think you can get a burner phone
and you're good, well, yeah,you're not good.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
So now, when you think you can get a burner phone
and you're well yeah, becausejennifer, jennifer she actually
had two sim cards that she wasswitching in between and they
tracked both them fuckers downbecause they were.
If you watch the interviews, Ihighly recommend looking up all
jennifer pan interviews onyoutube, just first of all, so
you can see how cool Randy Sladeis while he's talking to her.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
I'm not allowed to drink Tangeray anymore, is it?

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
making you horny for Randy Slade.
Well, you gotta leave me aloneabout this Is it making you
runny for Randy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
I kind of got a little.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
You got a gin buzz going on there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
It's a gin blossom going on back here for Randy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Well, david and homeboy, they have some previous
criminal charges, and then thetrial itself.
The trial itself would take 10months, jesus, 10 months Now.
Everyone was charged withmurder and or conspiracy to
murder, and Jennifer would belabeled in the headlines as the
daughter from hell.

(01:00:51):
So I think that's what we'regoing to name this episode the
daughter, the daughter from hell.
So Jennifer she was sentencedto life in prison, with the
first 25 would be without thepossibility of parole, as well
as Daniel Wong, eric Hardy andhomeboy Linford.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Crawford, I think it should be changed to.
Jesse has it for Randy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
And David.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Sleep pill.
I'm giving up on trying topronounce his name Sleep pill
man.
You take it and you sleep foreight hours.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
And Jennifer.
She was forbidden fromcontacting her family forever.
Good Forbidden, done Now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Han the salad.
Though Wait a minute, Lindsaythe salad.
Yeah, there's a salad there, itain't good.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
And you know what's crazy is the public.
And you know what's crazy isthe public.
There was a lot of Jennifersupporters because they could
relate to the tiger styleparenting.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Yeah, normally we talk about that at the end, but
I figure we're pretty fuckingclose.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Yeah, we're close, I'm in the last sentence here.
So the salad on this you got tolet your kids, you got to let
your kids be themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
You can't oppress them.
And there's the point.
Right there, we're not victimblaming.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
We're not victim blaming.
There is no excuse for murderPeriod, never.
But oppression can cause mentalillness and mental illness can
lead to psychosis.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Yes, and then psychosis can lead to.
Don't oppress your children.
Whatever it is, just have Randyon your side, right there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Listen, I'm going to tell y'all 110%.
Right now.
Jesse and I don't haveparenting figured out.
We probably never will, but wehave learned some things over
the years from our ownupbringing and from bringing up
children trials and failures tooyou can't.
You can't oppress up children,trials and failures too you
can't oppress.
It's hard to find a happymedium, but you have to let them

(01:02:52):
be themselves, but justencourage them to be their best
selves.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
If you don't, they're going to buck the fuck out.
They're going to.
You've got to let them.
Just let them fail on their own.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
I was an oppressed child, completely.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
They have the right to fail Right.
I was an oppressed childcompletely, and I mean they have
the right to fail Right.
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
I was oppressed in the fact that I was not allowed
to be around anything that wasother than things that were
godly, and guess what?
It made me go in the oppositedirection?

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I mean not really in the opposite direction.
You just came into your own ina different way, right, and you,
you, you live your life.
I, you just came into your ownin a different way, right, and
you, you, you live your life, Ilearned how to believe in what I
believe in.
Yeah, and everybody failed.
Everybody fails.
You're allowed to grow up andfail and restart and become the
human being that you are goingto be, whether it's good, bad,

(01:03:40):
whatever.
You got to give them thatchance.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
You can't force your children to be what you want
them to be right I think is thewhole message here.
You have to let them learn whothey are but coming up in a
small vietnamese right communityand also I mean in this
community, that's as big as liketwice the size of our

(01:04:04):
cul-de-sac.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Right, you can do that and get away with it,
because you have nothing butoppression.
You walk to a field, youharvest your crops, you come
back home and you do your thing.
I'm saying if it was a smallVietnamese village.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Also in this community, most of the people on
their street were related Right.
They were all family, rightCousins.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
So they tried to keep that tight knitness.
In a big world we're notexposed.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Well, I mean, just like him, he was pissed that
Jennifer was dating a guy thatwasn't Vietnamese Right, and
sometimes your kids aren't goingto date who you want them to
date.
You have to let them go throughthat.
Yeah, let them fail.
It sucks watching theheartbreak.
It sucks watching the wholething unfold, but you have to

(01:04:54):
just let them do it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
And let them learn.
They have the right to try.
They do.
I let kids have the right totry as long as they're not
hurting themselves, and then, asyoung adults, they have the
right to try even if it doeshurt themselves.
They're grown, they're gettinggrown.
They have to learn it.
You know things hurt.
High school sweethearts hurt,decisions that you do against
your parents hurt Mm-hmm Tryingto come into your own it hurts.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
But it's still in a safe way.
I mean, okay, I understand,like your kid's still at home in
their 20s and going to schooland shit Grounding them and
taking their phone from them intheir 20s is insane to me, but
it does not justify murder.
And unfortunately Han is nolonger able to work and he has
constant nightmares and panicattacks.
He's no longer able to live inhis house, nor can he sell it

(01:05:50):
due to what happened there.
So, moral of the story, Tellthe fucking moral of the story,
Lindsay Don't oppress yourchildren and children.
You can't kill your parents.
No, you can't.
I'm sorry.
I'm so sorry.
I failed to mention this partin my notes, but it just came to

(01:06:11):
my brain.
She was set to inherit $500,000.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Oh, motivation.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Well, that was going to pay for the hit, and then she
was going to have money leftover to be able to go live with
Daniel, because she had fuckedup all of her education trying
to lie, to try to not disappointher parents.
So it's just a circle, this isa circle.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
It's a shitty circle.
It's this very shitty circle.
Don't fuck up your parents,though, when they're trying to
do good, but at the same time,they oppressed her.
So there's your circle, yoursocle.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
That's your socle and we don't want to vent some
blame.
Nobody deserved to die in thissituation, nobody Whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Death is not the answer.
Murder is not the answer.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
They didn't do anything to deserve that no.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
They just.
Jennifer needed to do the rightthing Grow up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
She should have Say fuck you mom and dad and leave
and say I'm going to do what thefuck I want to and go do her
shit.
Well, she should have went backin high school.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
She should have been like you know what I did not do
great this year.
Maybe I need some tutoring.
Maybe I need some help.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Or maybe I just give the fuck up.
Fuck you, mom and dad.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
I'm out, yeah, because she could have went and
lived with Daniel and worked atBoston.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Pizza.
I'm not going to grow up andtake care of you.
I don't like this cultureanymore.
Fuck you, mom and dad.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
That is what it boils down to.
She could have went and livedwith Daniel worked at Boston
Pizza.
They could have made a decentliving and made a life.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
I mean it's harsh.
But that was the point, theturning point in her life.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Average Joe Jobs.
Jesse and I both have averageJoe Jobs.
Her parents had average JoeJobs and they worked themselves
up to where they had a home, alexus and a mercedes, off of
working in a fucking car factoryset up your lifestyle, stick
with it and you can build fromit you live, you, you uh live.

(01:07:57):
Your means live within yourmeans you plan out.
you know we have, we may we taketwo major vacations a year.
That's it.
We live within our means.
We buy what we need, we don'tbuy what we don't need.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
You get to tell me your fucked up stories.
Yes, talk about Randy, and thenwe'll talk about Randy, and
then we talk about who Randy?

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
And I'm going to just say that we don't have the
answer to all the problems, butwe can see, looking through it
hindsightly, there's just somany different avenues that
could have been taken here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Yeah, never take my advice.
I'm just full of shit and drunk.
Take the toll bridge.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Take the turnpike, take the turnpike.
Don't ever go down the avenueof murder, because it's not the
answer.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
It's not murder, because it's not the answer.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
No, it's not.
And now Jennifer's just sittingin prison, when she could have
just been working at BostonPizza with her boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Yeah, her parents would have been disappointed.
So fucking what?

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
So fucking, what so fucking what my parents were
disappointed for a very longtime as well.
And guess what?
Now they're proud of me, andI'm proud that they're proud of
you.
Yes, they're proud of me.
So, and I'm proud that they'reproud of you yes, they're proud
of me.
I do not live anywhere near theway that they wanted me to live
, but they're okay with the,with who I am, because I stopped

(01:09:15):
apologizing for it about 12years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Even parents that are oppressing the kids they grow
up to, they have to accept you,to accept that your kid became
something different.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
My parents came around Somewhat, we'll say
somewhat.
They're still trying tounderstand my thought process.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
They can accept it Times change.
That's just what it boils downto.
Things change.
We don't have to be stuck in arut.
We can be our own people.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
So yeah, but once again, I'm just going to say you
can see all of the interviewswith Randy Slade and the third
interviewer.
His name was William Gates BillGates, but it's spelled
different.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
You can find those on YouTube, and then you can also
watch the documentary on Netflixcalled what Jennifer Did.
I listen to all of that.
Plus, I listen to a Case Filepodcast on Spotify, which has a
lot of those interviews as well,if you just want to do audio

(01:10:23):
instead of visual.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
At this point, Lindsay, I don't think I need to
drink that anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Okay.
So, I have unholy thoughtsAbout Randy Slade.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Yeah, I'm totally kidding, but this fucking
Taneray is good dude.
Go get some of that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
And what's it called?
Hold on, I'm going to take offmy headphones and go look at
this cocktail.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
It is so damn good, and Lindsay just broke my
fucking headphones.
We're getting sloshed on thisone dude.
So, Tanqueray, Pay no attentionto the alcoholism this is just
part of the story.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Am I allowed to say this word?

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
You can't say it Vagina.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
What is it?
Negroni cocktail.
Yeah, hold on, let me put myshit back on.
Hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Let's see, she went on an adventure.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
So it's Negroni cocktail.
I don't even know, I'm justtrying to make sure that I'm
allowed to say this.
So it's made with TangrayLondon dry gin, vermouth and
bitter liqueur.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
It's so good you got to put it on the rocks and let
it soak.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
So basically, Basically it's a martini with
some bitters or or drunk, or anold patient, it's got me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Yeah, it's got me the Tengare and I didn't drink that
much of it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
The Tengare has made Jesse into this person that I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
I'm sweating over here.
I'm sweating Hold on.
I want to show you the guy.
Don't take a picture of me.
I'm sweating over here.
I'm sweating, hold on.
I want to show you the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Don't take a picture of me.
I'm not.
No.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
You're going to show me the Slade.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
No, I'm going to show you the Tengare guy.
Oh, tengare guy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Just don't show me that while the mic is hot
Because I am very hot right now-See, look, look at him, look at
him.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Look at how suave Tangaray.
Oh, I've seen that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
I need to play music before I get you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
What band are we plugging today?

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
I want to play this band over here and I am so
fucking excited I wrote it down.
Tell them Blackbird, yeah,blackbird.
Native American group.
Okay, they're like NativeAmerican rock and they're
kicking ass.
They're like touring all aroundthe United States.
He has some new stuff out.
The band is amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Hold on real quick.
Look at that ad for Tangare.
Holy shit, that's some smoothass, suave shit.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
It says get that juice humming, my juice is
humming dude.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
He's juicy for Randy Slade.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
But I need to play music because I am just fired up
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
So on your notes you put that the song's called Find
my Way.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Yeah, Find my Way and these guys are amazing and I
step back to some NativeAmerican stuff because it's a
big part of your life.
Yeah, it was, and I really enjoyit and I enjoy hanging out with
some of the culture and justthings you know different people
, different things you know andthe culture goes real deep with
different areas of NativeAmerican Right.

(01:13:38):
You know, it's like that'sreally fascinating to me and I
used to super hyper fixate on onNative American stuff and just
history you know.
So I just want to share some ofthis stuff and I want you guys
to check this shit out.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
And I'm going.
Got one more song.
Take what you want and leaveAll about you and never me.
No more pretending it's allbeen seen.
You were in it for you andthat's on me.
I'm leaving Way too long.

(01:14:25):
I'm leaving way too long.
I'm leaving.
Got one more song.
Take what you want and leaveAll about you and never me.
No more pretending it's allbeen seen.
You were in it with you andthat's on me.
Can't stop till I see thisworld, we'll be right back.

(01:15:09):
One more fight.
One last chance.
One last night.
I'm leaving.
Been way too long.
I'm leaving.
Got one more song.
You must be hit the ground,taking the road to the farthest

(01:15:30):
town.
Chase my problems with thisglass.
Another drink may be my last.
Give it one more shot.
These days are all you've gotwhen you come around the bend.
I belong on my friend.
I've got one more win.

(01:15:52):
One more fight.
One last chance.
One last night.
I'm leaving.
You Been way too long.
I'm leaving, I'm leaving.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
I'm leaving, I'm leaving, I'm leaving, I'm
leaving, I'll be there.
Got one more song.
I need to find my way, find myway, find my way, find my way,

(01:16:43):
find my way, find my way, findmy way.

(01:17:06):
Bye, by my way, by my way, bymy way, by my way, by my way.
That song is so good I was.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
I closed my eyes and I was like you know what?
It was just a good travelingass jam.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
If Jennifer just could have found her way, yeah,
we wouldn't have been able totell the story, you know we've
been playing metal and fuckingall these badass hardcore bands.
We needed some good jammingWell we had some good jamming
during Rockville.
This was so good.
I'm sorry you guys Listen.
Rockville is already big enough, but we will make room for our

(01:17:44):
listeners If you go with us nextyear.
It's a beautiful experiencebecause we had moments like that
.
What song has stuck with yousince we left?

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Since we left Rockville, my God, sublime.
Just anything that Sublime hadplayed was amazing.
And he's just like he said heplayed on his dad's guitar.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
He was 11 months old when his father passed away, and
it stuck with me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Yes, it stuck with me .
And when he just said thatlittle, I'm playing on my dad's
guitar, on my guitar, on mydad's guitar.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
When he said that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
That was the only little thing that he said, and
that little red guitar that he'sso cute.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Oh, it was so.
And I mean, and he's a cutie,patootie man like absolutely I
felt, brad, he's no slade.
But you know, no, he's neverany slate but he, but I felt
brad through him.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
It felt like we were watching the presence.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Yeah and yeah, he stuck with me.
But also blue october.
I don't know why, but thatone's still been in my fucking
head.
Really hate me today, andthat's the very first song or
the very first band that we sawand that shit has been in my
head all week.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
That was your whole theme for the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Why.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
You walked around and you could not get it out.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Can't get it out of my head.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
No, just when we walked up and Sublime was
playing and it was just likeevery tone that came out of that
band live has been rent free.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
That was our perfect first experience of Sublime
while we watched his.
We're alive for that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
And Soul Asylum, not Soul Asylum, soul Asylum.
So who is Candlebox?
Candlebox.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
I knew that's who you meant.
Yeah, candlebox.
Candlebox is stuck with me aswell and fucking.
Good Charlotte, all thesecomeback bands.
Oh yeah, that was good with metoo good charlotte is just like
good charlotte has stuck with me.
I'm fangirl always for yes andthat was a great like I.
We were sitting down and Istood the fuck up.

(01:20:01):
I'm like you, little oldassholes can all sit and
whatever, but I'm going to dance.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
Oh, we danced together.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
And you sit up and then Targ was like fuck yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
And they played a song that wasn't really a big
hit and I knew every word and Iwas like I'm telling you right
now I'm a big fan, I'm tellingyou right now that this was a
big thing for me.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Thank you, bill Cayley, for introducing me to
Good Charlotte.
Yes, thank you, Bill Kelly, butI discovered Good Charlotte
through radio.
But Blackbird, that song wasfucking.
It was a nice, good, fuckingclean ass song.
It took me straight back to the90s.
It did Right then it wasperfect and these guys are doing
some fire.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
So check these guys out.
Do not fucking go to sleep onBlackbird.
They're making moves.
He's got way bigger songs thanthis and they're doing so good,
so much better material thanthis.
He's like yeah, I want you toplay this one.
I was like sweet, I love it todeath.
And then I started checking outtheir catalog.
Fuck, they got new shit out too.
Really good, really goodjamming stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Love them.
I love jams like that, justsmooth.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Thank you, Blackbird, hope to see you guys one time,
maybe at a Native American thing.
Maybe we'll go out to Gatheringof Nations again.
They'll be playing there, orsomething.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
That would be amazing .
That was one of the best timesof my life.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Let's do that.
There were so many rap groups.
Remember the twins that werethere the same Native American
twins.
That's also in one of the TVseries that that I've watched a
few times.
They were fucking badass.
They were a little Midnight.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Express, though, was top tier.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Oh, just the, the power, the power of Native
American singing, and it's justwhen they're hitting that drum
the hand drum.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
that's a hand drum songs.
Something else y'all you haveno idea.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
Look up Midnight Express.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Southern Bear.
Was it Southern Bear?

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Red Bear, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Red Bear.
There was one of them that sangthat song and they did the
harmony with it.
But anyhow, check out NativeAmerican groups.
Look at these powwow drumgroups.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
I thought it was Midnight Express.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
Midnight Express was there and they were down south.
I competed with them one time.
Yep, that was crazy.
What am I doing?
Competing against bands, groups?

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
I think it was Red Bear, though, that we're
thinking of right now North.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Bear, it was North.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Bear Was it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
North Bear 100%.
They did the harmonizing, theharmony.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
And then, we found out that you were pregnant with
Silas the next weekend, I criedDaddy's boy so much oh God,
you're my daddy's boy yeah, yeah, native American stuff is so
cool, it is Spiritual.
Very spiritual, embrace it Very.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Embrace it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
I mean, I'm Caucasian as fuck and I embrace the fuck
out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Same, respect it.
How's that same?

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
yeah, do that I don't look caucasian, but I am and
we're gonna have a celebritynative american on here.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Eventually, somewhere around november, I'm gonna have
a celebrity.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Yes, we're gonna, yeah, because so our so we're
coming up on june and we'regonna, we're gonna focus a lot
on pride, pride month, awesome.
And then, uh, we're coming upon June and we're going to focus
a lot on Pride, pride monthAwesome.
And then we're going to go into, we're going to do Pride, we're
going to go into some cult shit, yeah, and then we're going to
do some Native American.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Awareness Month.
We're going to do that and whenwe come back down for around
November we'll do NativeAmericans.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
You guys just stay tuned, because I got shit lined
up for days.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
We got some cool ass guests coming.
We got some badass music coming.
We got some stuff that's beenin movies coming.
We got I mean, it's just, it'samazing.
Aurora Wave was fucking badasswith the singer from Attila.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
They're gonna be on Shiprock.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
They're gonna be on Shiprock.
I seen them lock it down fordays.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
Yes, nancy, nancy.
So my nail tech, who was alsoabsolute, she's that bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
She goes to some shit nothing makes me wetter than
Randy Slade is to watch one ofthese fucking bands become big
and watch these babies grow up.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
So, nancy, my nail tech, slash festival, slash, I
mean which?
Just?
We have a great time, we havethe same musical interest and it
was just like meant for me tobe her nail client because we
just, we, just we just clicklike that.
We've went to louder than lifetogether.
We went to several, uh, rockfields together.
We saw trans-siberian orchestratogether.

(01:24:21):
We have watched deftonestogether.
Anyways, nancy is going toshiprocked and she was naming
off and she said aurora rave.
I said bitch, we just featuredthem on our podcast two episodes
ago congratulations, aurorawave.
You deserve it, yes and I wishwe were gonna be on that
shiprocked.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
Oh fuck, dude, we need to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Let's just, we're going to, let's do the last one
that we planned got relocated.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Let's do a lowercase cruise next year and then that
one, yeah, lowercase cruise,then that one Bumping Right now
I'm locking it in Bumping oh.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Let's do it.
It's done, we'll just tellNancy to figure it all out, and
we'll just pay the money saidthough like us, follow us,
subscribe.
Yes, leave us a review to helpus get in that algorithm.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Your story with randy slade fuck jennifer.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
It's all about randy slade.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
It's all about randy slade this story is going to be
called.
Randy slade made me wet, alongwith the tangerine.
This is fun dude.
Yes, I'm a fun off of this.
I'm a very fun goofy.
I'm very fun goofy.
But I'm going to leave thatright there.
We'll see you guys next Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
Next Friday with something new.
I don't know yet.
I got two that I'm jugglingwith, trying to figure out which
one I want to do.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
So we'll see you then though.

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
Yes.

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