EPISODE 35: The Harvey Milk Legacy

When Harvey Milk took his seat on the San Francisco Board of Supervisors in January 1978, he shattered a barrier that many thought impossible to break. As the first openly gay elected official in California, his victory represented hope for a community that had long been forced into silence. But less than a year later, that hope would face its darkest day.

This episode delves into the remarkable life and tragic death of Harvey Milk, a pioneer whose activism extended far beyond gay rights. From his early days as a Navy veteran who faced discrimination to becoming the vocal "Mayor of Castro Street," Harvey's journey reflects the challenges and courage of the early LGBTQ+ rights movement. We explore how his camera store became the unlikely headquarters for a revolution, and how his advocacy extended to working mothers, affordable housing, education, and neighborhood safety.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey Jesse, hello Lindsay.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
What are you drinking today?

Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's caramel, yeah, and apple and apple and crown
and crapple Mm-hmm, and I justcouldn't wrap my head around the
whole thing.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Caramel- apple, it's actually caramel.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Caramel, caramel.
Who says caramel?
Who says caramel?

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Well, it's spelled caramel.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Is it?
Yeah it.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Who says caramel?
Well, it's spelled caramel, isit yeah?

Speaker 1 (00:26):
It's C-A-R-A-M-E-L, so I was raised caramel.
It's caramel, but I was raisedcaramel.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
A lot of people say.
A lot of people say caramel, isthat a potato?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
potato thing, right now Tomato.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Is that what that is right now?
Is that where we're livingright now?

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Cause I didn right now, because I didn't know that
I was.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
I've always thought caramel.
And you're like, it's caramel,yeah, but that's how it's.
I mean, that's literally howit's spelled.
Yeah, caramel.
You look at the box.
Why the fuck was I taught tolook at that and say caramel?
Most people that I know saycaramel.
Is that a southern thing, or isit an american thing?
Or is that an appellation thing?
Or is that a old english thing?
Because we were talking aboutold english language and you
know how much it's fuckingchanged over the last 500 years

(01:14):
it has a lot I mean, yeah,caramel apple though hey yes
caramel apple.
I'm gonna say fucking caramelapple.
I'm sorry, caramel, we're goingto have fights later on.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
I actually won a bet over that some years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
You won a bet.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yes, Somebody bet me that it was spelled caramel and
I'm like no, it's not.
So we stopped at the store andlooked at a caramel candy bar
and I'm like voila and I won tendollars caramel, it's a great
day, caramel, caramel, I meansleep token.

(01:55):
Just came out with a songcalled caramel and it's spelled
caramel I'm gonna call itcaramel.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Fuck you, I'm calling it caramel a sweet token song
caramel yeah, yeah, it's caramelit's smooth and whatever smooth
.
And because you can't saycaramel is silky because it's
not sticky it is smooth well, no, you're saying it and you're

(02:23):
like caramel and caramel, butwhen you're doing that little
dance over there, so fucking hotso you're gonna ask me what I'm
drinking because I have a newdrink?
No, I'm just worried about thefight that we're having later on
about caramel and caramel andtomatoes, tomatoes, potatoes and
potatoes.
Over here, what are youdrinking, lindsay?

Speaker 2 (02:44):
I got a new seltzer that I had seen, this TikToker
guy that cooks really good foods.
He's always drinking these andthey're called Happy Dad
seltzers.
Happy Dads and so this is anorganic reaction right now.
Okay, we're going to see ifit's better than Vista Bay,
better than White Claw, betterthan Truly.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Here we go.
What, what do you think?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
No, I like Vista Bay better.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
This is a happy dad's drink.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
But I did just brush my teeth.
So maybe we'll wait for thesecond one to give it a go that
looks like a straight up happyass.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
dad's.
Dads don't get fucking flameand fire and cool shit on their
can.
This shit has like blue and red.
Happy dad, that's it.
It is fucking generic as fuck.
Happy ass dads.
That's all you get.
Dude, I'm looking at this canright now.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Happy Father's Day.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Oh well, basic, hard, hard.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Happy Dad's Seltzer that's what it says Happy dad
Hard seltzer is what it sayshappy dad, hard seltzer.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
I'm just starting to the fucking top and going down
and it's just like it looks likeit is very soft at this point
you want to give it a try.
I guess I can try it, but Imean, I don't know, man, I want
to see if it makes you a happydad it's as exciting as standing
in line to get into a themepark that gets closed down

(04:11):
before you get there.
Alright, I'm going to try it.
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
It's not bad to me.
I don't know it's not bad.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, it's not bad.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
I didn't say it was bad, I just feel like it's not
as good as this today you knowit's good, you're like it.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, give it a moment, it's good, but basic,
fucking happy dads.
Tighten up, dude, put somefucking unicorns and fucking
rainbows on that bitch somewhereI want you to do what roll that
?
intro intro.
Oh, okay, well, I will.
But I was just saying, dosomething cool with that shit,
do something cool with that.

(04:50):
Happy dad's can is just sostripped down like I really, I

(05:20):
really want something coolerthan that.
And then lizzie's like rollthat fucking beautiful bean
footage intro.
And then she gets up and runsthe fuck away.
Oh, now she's back.
Now you're back, hello, hello.
Yeah, you ran all the way, likeall the way across the house.
What did you do?

Speaker 2 (05:38):
What did you do?
I just went and grabbed mypineapple savers vape.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Oh, we're vaping.
Yes, Happy dad's Can Fuck you.
The flavor's good though.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
But seriously, this will come out after Father's Day
, but happy Father's Day Belated.
Yeah, thank you To all of ourlisteners, we'll one day figure
out that we've got holidays.
We need to address them before.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, no, I get it.
There's a whole delay, whateveryou know, I get it.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
But so listen, what made you feel old?
Today, this week, not justtoday this week, I wrote it down
.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
I wrote it down.
I was like Lindsay listen, hereI have gray hair in my nose and
they look like little grayboogers, so that made me feel
old feel, by the way it'sthundering outside, if y'all
hear that no, I got these.
I was looking at the mirror inmy car and I was like dude,

(06:35):
there's these little gray hairsin my nose and and I had to go
home and trim them because theylook like little gray boogers.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
So do you have the little thing?

Speaker 1 (06:44):
yeah, I got a cool little trimmer thing, but I
didn't even notice until Ilooked into my mirror.
You need to tell me about thisshit, dude, cause I'm like I
don't notice your gray nosehairs.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Do you notice my gray chin hairs?

Speaker 1 (06:54):
No, I don't, I never know.
Well, every Friday she does.
Every Friday Lindsay does theseeverything.
What's she called?
Lindsay does these everything,what she calls everything clean.
Yes, the everything, showerEverything shower the yes queen
I don't ever notice anythingNever have, never will.

(07:14):
But when I look in my mirror,sometimes in my rear view mirror
, when I'm driving to go get ayou know hamburger or whatever
for lunch or whatever, I'm likewhoa dude, like my whole nose
looks like this gray goblinhanging out in there.
So it's like old gray nosehairs.
You don't have any gray nosehairs anybody.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
No, I do have gray chin hairs though.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Well, I mean I got gray everything but nose hairs
like stand out.
There's like a whole assfucking thing in there.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
It's crazy fucking thing in there.
It's crazy.
Well, mine was that I have agrandbaby old enough to tell his
mother to text me what he wantsto eat when he comes to our
house and that just blew my mind.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
I mean, if you're old ?

Speaker 2 (07:54):
yeah, I mean not in a bad way, but like I have a
grandchild old enough to voicetheir opinion.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
It's weird, it's so weird it's still.
I really sunk in, you know Ilove them so much.
We had the best day we had, thegreatest day today they spent
the night last night yeah, itwas phenomenal, he wanted.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
He wanted little baby hot dogs he was cool cat.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
We call him catfish catfish because he's like a
little swimming water bug.
Yes, they're water babies.
Yeah, it's so cool, love it.
So cool, love it, love it.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yes, so if you are new here, what we do is we have
a drink.
We talk about some true crime.
Well, actually I don't.
The story that on Jesse that heusually, for the most part,
doesn't have any clue about.
Sometimes he knows a little bit, but not all the details tells

(08:49):
and um, at the end of theepisode we plug a band that
jesse has found and loved andcame became friends with and got
permission.
That's my job.
Yes, that's his job, that's hispart of the pot and he does all
the technical stuff.
So, but, um, yeah.
So today we are going to it'spride month, so happy pride to
all.
Thank you to all of my LGBTQplus people in the community.

(09:14):
Yes, so we're going to talk.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
I wasn't done, lindsay.
I hit the wrong button to beginwith, okay.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
We apologize for that .
That wasn't.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Oh, I hit the wrong button to begin with.
Okay, we apologize for that.
Wait a minute, I was going tolet you just keep talking over
it.
No, okay, go ahead.
I'm sorry.
Hey, I took a drink of this,this caramel apple, and it's so
fucking good, dude.
Oh, I bet.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Oh my God, I feel like an eight-year-old at the
fair right now with a lot of Ibet, oh, I bet, that does have a
really good taste, like itgives you fall feels.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, the alcohol in here though.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Matt, you remember when our girl Stacy brought over
?
There's a Camel Apple Jell-Oshots.
Yeah, Fuck, that was good.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
This shit, dude Bangin', jello shots.
Yeah fuck, that was good.
This shit, dude banging, I'mgoing back, I'm getting more.
I want one more whole set.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
We're gonna back up and punt just one more time,
okay.
Well, so today we're going tobe talking about a very
important um figure in the lgbtq.
History was made because ofthis man, and he's a very
important figure, and he's apolitician as well, really, yes,
so we're going to be talkingabout Harvey Milk.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Never heard of him.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Harvey Milk yes.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Harvey Milk.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
So Harvey Bernard Milk was born May 22nd 1930 in
Woodmere, new York, to WilliamMilk and Minerva Carnes.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
So that's like back in the day.
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, give ussome time.
He's going to be like 60s, 70s.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
No, let me tell the story.
Okay, I'm just trying to I'mtrying to predict anything, let
me pocket.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
So well, last time, lindsey, I predicted the fuck
out of it.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Oh yeah, but that was meant to be.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
This is not this is just let me to be.
This is this is right, the waygiving you a history lesson and
let you hack at me.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yes, that's okay, thank you so harvey's
grandfather had immigrated fromlithuania and opened a small
department store and it wassuccessful.
And then he, you know, branchedout and his father continued to
run it and while Harvey wasgrowing up, so the family were
Jewish as well.
So Harvey was big into thatreligion and, you know, was a

(11:42):
member.
They were members of thesynagogue, the local synagogue
around here and um, even harveywas like the class clown in
school because he was teased forsome of his features.
He kind of had big ears.
He was a cutie patootie.
But you know, kids are horribleyeah, cultural, like resistance
.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
You know, you see somebody that's a little bit
different.
They're gonna be like on you,yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Like yeah, always immediately.
So he turned that teasingaround and just became funny.
And he did play football, buthe developed a love for the
opera and the theater at a veryyoung age.
Same Hardy Harvey attended andgraduated from Bayshore High
School and then went on to NewYork State College for teachers,

(12:26):
where he majored in mathematicsand history.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Why am I thinking about Bayside High School?
What was Bayside High School?

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Wasn't that?
Oh, that was Saved by the Bell.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Saved by the Bell?

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yes, Bayside, zach Morris Zach.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Screech, morris, screech, and what was.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Mario Lopez's name Mario.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Lopez Slater and Kelly and Elizabeth.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
And Lisa.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Saved by the bell.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
I was such a great show.
Bayside, but this is BayshoreHigh School.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
So, anyway, he went on and graduated from New York
State College.
Such a great show.
Bayside, yes, but this isBayshore.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
High School, bayshore .
Okay, so anyway, he went on.
He graduated from New YorkState College.
He majored in mathematics andhistory and he wrote for the
class newspaper.
Now Harvey knew from a veryyoung age that he was gay, but
of course you couldn't talkabout such things back then.
And after completing college,harvey joined the Navy during
the korean war and served as adiving officer.

(13:27):
You know, I'm like that shitscares the fuck out of me, but
that would be a great job youhad to be a diving master to be
a diving officer.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
So yeah, that's cool he, yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
He transferred um to naval station san diego and was
a diving instructor there.
He resigned, though, in 1955 asLieutenant junior grade,
because he was forced to acceptthat instead of other than
honorable.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Honorable discharge yes.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Okay, hold on.
So he was forced to accept thatthe junior grade other than
honorable discharge because hishomosexuality was now known and
he could have beencourt-martialed because of that.
So he had to accept the otherthan honorable discharge instead
of taking or going before thecourt-martial because of his

(14:20):
homosexuality.
So he went back home to NewYork and took a math teacher
position at George W HewlettHigh School on Long Island, the
home of your favorite tea.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Mmm.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Long Island iced tea.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
I kind of feel like this shit right here that I'm
drinking is my favorite rightnow.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Oh, I bet.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Oh, so good.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
So in 1956, Harvey met Joe Campbell at a popular
beach for gay men in queenscalled jacob rise park.
I want to say that's how yousay it's r double.
Is you think that's right?
Rise, jacob rise, I don't know,but yeah, hell yeah so these
two moved in together and thenthey moved to dallas, which

(15:04):
bless their hearts.
I don't think that theyunderstood what was going to
happen in Dallas, but they hadproblems finding jobs and the
gay scene was nothing like ithad been in New York.
So they moved back.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
I can imagine Dallas is probably a lot, so he had his
own thing, he was his ownperson and got out of the
military, basically, and decidedto move to Texas.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Not going to fly at that time.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Well, he wanted.
What I read in an article is hewanted warmer climate, right.
And so you know, maybe theyjust spun the globe.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
At least he didn't move to North Georgia.
Oh God, the Corpsewood Manor.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Like our poor fucking Dr Scudder.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
That is almost breaking a hundred downloads
right now.
Lindsey isn't that cool, yes,so check out corpsewood manor
yeah, that was cool.
But like, okay, people can dotheir own thing, be their own
people.
I don't care, I'll support youand if you're my friend, you
know I'm gonna fully support youand you know you do your own
thing.

(16:05):
Just live and let live.
So he was doing his own thingand now he had to move back
because he wasn't accepted intexas.
Is that what you're?

Speaker 2 (16:15):
saying no, not at all what I'm just saying he the gay
scene wasn't what he thought itwas gonna be when he moved to
dallas right so we moved back tonew york.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
That's exactly what I just said.
Yeah, so we moved to Texas andit wasn't his thing, because it
really wasn't there, so he movedback.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
But I didn't say anything about him not being
accepted.
I haven't gotten to any of thatyet.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Well, right, right, Right right.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
I was just trying to gather I haven't gotten down
deep into it yet feelings ofmoving over there and then
having to move back, you know.
So that's okay.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
So Harvey taught school back in New York for a
while and also worked as a stockanalyst in Manhattan.
Now his relationship with Joedid end after six years and then
he started dating another mannamed Craig Rodwell in 1962.
Now Craig was big into the gayrights movement, which at the
time made Harvey a littleuncomfortable.
He wasn't big on being outedquite yet and he did in that

(17:13):
relationship because Craig likedto agitate the police and he
wasn't trying to be in anybody'sface just quite yet about
sexuality and about his um, histhoughts and things like that.
So now at the end of World WarII San Francisco had become
quite the spot for gay menbecause the military would just

(17:34):
kind of dump them off at thatport and those men would just
stay there instead of going hometo face shame from their
families.
And that community just grewand grew by 1969.
So that was just.
San Francisco was kind of justlike a lot of those port towns.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
They had communities of acceptance.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Right.
Well, the port towns were justkind of where the military would
just dump them off if theyfound out that they were gay.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
So they had like little areas that they were
accepted though.
That's what I was talking about.
So they had like little areasthat they were accepted though.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
That's what I was talking about.
Well, they didn't want to gohome because they had pretty
much been dishonorably or otherthan honorably discharged from
the military because of theirsexuality.
So instead of going home andfacing shame and scrutiny from
their families and friends, theyjust kind of hung out in those
port towns.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
That's what I'm getting at.
There was a spot that theycould feel accepted if they
would just stay there instead ofgoing home and be rejected.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Right.
By 1969, san Francisco had moregay people per capita than any
other city in America, so that'swhere Harvey would take up a
permanent residency.
He protested against vietnamwar and became quite the
activist for gay rights, and hewas proclaimed the mayor of

(18:49):
castro street, where he did live, and that community was
predominantly gay.
He opened a small camera storethere and the reason that he did
this was because he had takensome pictures of him and a guy
that he was dating, and theywere ruined by the film
developers Like just none ofthem.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Not cool, you're not doing that shit here, right yeah
.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
And he was like well, you know what, If I open my own
store, this won't happen.
So he did.
So this camera store became waymore than that, Like one
teacher came in to rent aprojector for her class because
there wasn't enough for all theteachers.
So Harvey was like okay,teachers need more materials.
Let's make some moves on that.

(19:32):
So he did the thing and hehelped out and got more funds
towards schools.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
So he was an activist toward education, trying to
help the kids out.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
So much more yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Right.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
He actually helped pass a law to develop the pooper
scooper because there was.
The dogs were just shittingeverywhere.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
The pooper scooper, yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
So he got that that law passed to where people had
to clean up their fucking dogshit.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Right, which is great .

Speaker 2 (20:00):
I mean, I completely agree.
You know I got so mad one day,me and Silas and Landon have
went down to little river.
This was during COVID.
It was right after they hadopened some of the water stuff
back up and we could go.
You were at work but it waslike a Wednesday, you know, I
was still out of work, but itwas just something for them to
do.
So I took them and this guyasked me for a Dollar General

(20:24):
bag that I had because I hadsome snacks and stuff.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
I was like sure, so because he cleaned up his dog's
poop, but then he just left itthere.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
He left the bag, so he cleaned it up and then left
the poop right there instead ofright there.
In that five feet to thegarbage, can it?

Speaker 1 (20:41):
was like bro, what a great effort, yeah he missed the
whole point, just pick the shiton up, thank you for cleaning
it up, not we not stepping, butcan you throw it away?
Into a spot where nobody elsehas to fuck with it.
Yeah, wow.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
So the camera store then became campaign
headquarters for Harvey's firstrun of the Hold on.
Let me get this out becauseit's so weird.
It's not like just like a cityofficial, it's the Board of City
of city supervisors for SanFrancisco.
Now he lost that race, butcontinued to be a local activist

(21:17):
.
Like, two gay men were tryingto open a shop in the Castro
area and other business ownerswere trying to block this from
happening.
So Harvey and a few otherbusiness owners started the
Castro Village BusinessAssociation, and this was the
first organization in the UnitedStates to be made up of LGBTQ

(21:38):
businesses.
Harvey would become thepresident of this association as
well.
Like he was making moves.
He was doing a whole lot ofpositive things for his
community.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Right, I get it and he's doing a lot for the kids
and everything, but he was justfighting acceptance for him
being him, him being him Right.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
And Harvey worked hard to strengthen the
community's economics andpolitical power, to prove that
Castro wasn't just a place tolive.
But it was a movement Like herewe are.
We're here, we're queer, but itwas a movement Like here we are
.
We're here, we're queer, we'remaking shit happen.
We're still good people, youknow Right, let us exist, let us
be who we are.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
It wasn't a personal agenda at all.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
No, it was just all around, just being Acceptance.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
You know, an activist toward good things.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Right, and I mean he was a pioneer.
I mean honestly for thatcommunity.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah, because nobody else gave a fuck about the kids.
But he did Right, Right.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
In 1974, harvey put together the first Castro Street
Fair to attract more peopleinto the local businesses and it
was a huge success sosuccessful in fact.
The other gay communities didthe exact same thing, like they
modeled after his example.
And in 1975, harvey ran for theboard of supervisors again and

(22:59):
he came very close.
That time, like before he hadlost by like a landslide.
This time he was, he was reallyclose and his accomplishments
gained him the recognition ofMayor George Moscone, who was an
ally for LGBTQ rights, and heoffered Harvey a job on the
Board of Permit Appeals and thismade him the first.

(23:23):
This made Harvey the firstopenly gay city commissioner in
the country, like number one.
The first, the very first yesopenly gay city commissioner in
the country Like number one, thefirst, the very first.
Yes.
Now, even though he was verygrateful for being appointed to
his position, he did want to beelected.
He wanted the respect of hiscommunity.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, he wanted the right to be able to make change
for the better, right.
Whether his, you know, hissocial status, his sexual status
, it did not matter.
He was trying to do good shit,exactly so all that didn't
matter.
You know, accept it and look atwhat he's actually trying to do

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and then help him.
I mean, that's where I, that'swhere I'm at, you know, right?
Yeah, no matter what, what timeand age it was and how
closed-minded you can be, lookat what he's really trying to do
.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, and, like I said, this was still in 1974.
This was in 1974.
And he started making thesemoves in the late 60s.
Like I said, he was really apioneer.
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
He was making good shit happen.
They should have let it happen.
No fucking friction there on inmy mind, you know.
Let it happen, help, help allthe people you know right well.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Harvey then ran for the california state assembly,
but he did lose that as well.
But harvey and his campaignmanager and cronenberg did not
give up on making moves andchange and he was finally
successfully elected onto thesan francisco city board of
supervisors.
This win was huge historicallyand personally.

(24:58):
For harvey, like he was, thiswas just boom.
Like here I am.
I'm harvey and I'm gonna dogood shit, even though I'm gay
and I know some of y'all don'tlike that, but I'm here.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Finally made it to the top of the hill.
Yeah, finally.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
So he was officially inaugurated on January 9th 1978
and introduced Jack Lyra as hislover and partner in life.
So he was like, yes, I'm gay,this is who I'm with, because
it's not legal for me to bemarried to him at that point it
was not at all, of course,because that just happened.
What a decade ago yeah, about,yeah um.

(25:37):
So he, of course, continued tofight for gay rights, but also
advocated for working moms anddaycare centers, pushed for
converting abandoned militarysites into affordable housing
and for tax reforms that couldhelp struggling businesses.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
So all around intelligent dude making good
fucking moves, oh yeah.
Just was attracted to other men, that's it.
Why do you hold that againstsomebody that's actually making
good fucking moves?

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Right, and that's why I have.
We have taught our childrenthat love is love.
That does not define who youare, because, no matter who we
are attracted to, everybody'sgoing to make mistakes.
Everybody's going to have tolearn from those mistakes, but
love is love.
We cannot help who we love andwho we love is nobody else's
business.
Right Period.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
You don't have to establish that.
If you're trying to establishsomething good, either way,
right, it's nobody's business.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
And he pushed for the mayor to invest in safer
neighborhoods, better policing,and pushed for expanding library
services for the Castroneighborhood.
And then there was this ballotinitiative called Proposition 6,
which threatened to force allgay teachers out of public
schools.
And Harvey wasn't having thatshit, and there is an amazing

(26:57):
speech that you can look up andI'll get into that a little more
later.
But he spoke at an event calledthe San Francisco Freedom Day
Parade and it was iconic andwe'll get into that a little
later.
He also encouraged other gayleaders and business owners and
teachers and members of thecommunity to also speak out.

(27:19):
Like, come on, like I'm onlyone person, you guys have a
voice too.
Come on, you know, follow me inthis movement.
So Proposition 6 was defeatedand this encouraged more and
more people of the LGBTQcommunity and their supporters
to keep fighting for rights andto speak out on laws and acts
that were oppressing them.

(27:40):
Now, unfortunately, beingoutspoken does come with a price
, and Harvey started to getdeath threats constantly, but it
didn't shut him up.
So, and he just he became moreprepared.
He would record versions of hiswill and he would write like

(28:00):
notes and messages.
He just kept a very gooddocument, documentation of
everything that he wanted tohappen, if something was to ever
happen to him.
Harvey had an opponent in thesame board of supervisors named
Dan White, who had moreconservative views.
Dan was a Vietnam vet and hadalso been a police officer and a

(28:24):
firefighter.
He had left his job as afirefighter to be on the board
of supervisors and it was takinga financial toll on his family
and even though he also had apotato stand at Pier 39, he just
wasn't making ends meet.
So on November of 1978, danWhite announced at a press

(28:45):
conference that he was going toresign from his position.
Announced at a press conferencethat he was going to resign
from his position.
Now this shocked Mayor Musconebecause even though they were
opposed on a lot of ideas, danwas a diligent public service
public servant, excuse me and hehad only been in the position
about 10 months, you know.

(29:05):
So he was like damn, you'realready giving up because that's
quite a long term, isn't it?
A city official?

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
So Dan did send in his formal letter of recognition
.
Resignation sorry, autocorrecton my script here resignation
and the mayor was going to haveto announce his replacement.
And the mayor was going to haveto announce his replacement.
So on the 14th of November thiswas 1978, dan hit up the mayor

(29:36):
and was like you know what,never mind, I don't want to
resign.
Can you reinstate me Prettyplease?
And being the cool mayor thatMuscogee was, he looked into the
legalities of being able to dothis and he told Dan.
He said let me call the cityattorney and I'll get back with

(29:57):
you.
So Mayor Muscoe called Dan backand said that he might be able
to do this, but you need to giveyour reasonings to the media
about why this is happening.
So Dan tells the media that hisconstituents and his family had
urged him to stay and leavinghis position would harm the
district.
I mean, they did vote him inand he did say that his family

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was going to help out with thepotato stand so he could focus
more on his duties as a citysupervisor.
So Mayor Muscone was incomplete support of him and if
legal issues did come up, he waswilling to use his power to
reappoint Dan into his position.
But legal issues did arise andthe legal team they said you

(30:43):
know what, we need a little timeto review all this.
So on November 17th same year78, it was decided that Dan
White's resignation was final.
But Mayor Muscold looked intowhat he could do to reappoint
him and Dan sent an officialletter stating that he
appreciated his efforts.
But after speaking withresidents and even other

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supporters, mayor Muscold wasurged not to reinstate Dan.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
So it was just not accepted.
They were just like no,whatever, you're not.
No, that was the opposition,right.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yes, he had conservative views, right.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
So the conservative?

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, he was a staunch conservative.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
They did not want to reinstate the conservative one
that was the yeah, because theywere trying to move forward.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
We're trying to make change okay.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
So I was thinking that they were, you know, um
supporting the other feller,where it was just like well,
harvey was in a differentdistrict okay, yeah dan was, you
know, because you have.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
I mean, it's basically a county commissioner,
like we call them here.
Those are like more citycommissioners, because san
francisco is a lot bigger socity and county type thing?

Speaker 1 (31:58):
okay, right, okay, no , I was just letting you roll on
, your on your whole thing and Iwas trying to follow it and I
was like, so they didn't want tolet him do that because he had
cool ideas.
But that was the conservative.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Yes, oh, okay, so Dan , okay, let me recap real quick.
So you're?

Speaker 1 (32:11):
on board.
I'm on board.
Harvey is a city official.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
He's good he's in.
Yeah, dan is a city officialwho put in a resignation because
he said he was not getting paidenough in his position.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Right, right, and they wouldn't reinstate him.
He was just like eh,reinstating him he's just like.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Well, he put in the resignation first.
He was the one that backtrackedon it and wanted to come back
right.
And they were like hey, youalready said right.
Then the city attorney says no,your, your shit is final.
You, you, you resign, youresigned.
You put in your letter ofresignation, you held a press
conference about it, this isfinal.
So the rest of the board didn'twant Dan reappointed as well,

(32:56):
because they would prefersomeone with more of a liberal
mindset.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Right.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
As they were trying to move forward with change and
Dan was not.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah, okay, I'm just trying to get into the political
side of like I know.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
But politics, fuck me up.
You know that I hate politics.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Well, getting into the political side of like the
politics, fuck me up.
You know that I hate all theydo to me too.
Yes, me too.
And then if you try to tie insome bullshit ass like judgment
on somebody's sexuality, so it'sjust like you have a an amazing
idea says that he wasn't reallyopposed to the lgbtq community
right, but he was still stuck inold school ways right, that's.

(33:31):
That's where I'm trying to wrapall this together in, and I'm
not trying to like argue withyou on no no I'm not arguing
with you.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah, you made it seem like you weren't
understanding who I was talkingabout no, I was just trying to
go.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Like he stepped back because he was trying to let him
know that's not what happenedat all, and then he dove back in
because he was trying toopposite.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
He resigned because he wasn't making enough money to
meet.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
To meet the job, to stay in that position, okay.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Because he was working at this potato stand
like 60 hours a week, plus hisjob as a city official.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
So I'm just trying to tie all that together with him
not being an actual opposition.
He was actually.
He was genuinely just notmaking enough money.
He was wanting more money.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Right.
I mean he did oppose a lot oftheir ideals for change, right.
But nobody was forcing him toresign, he just did it himself.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
I mean you see how this whole conversation would
come to play like where I'mtrying to understand.
Is he really just saying youknow, am I not making enough
money, or am I trying to be inopposition toward this guy for
being it?

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Well, I mean, I would think that that would make him
want to say more.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Right, you know, to oppose all of these Right.
Well, yeah, yeah, for sure, forsure.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
But no, he had originally resigned because he
was not making enough money.
Okay, period Period.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
And it was just like I'm hearing your story and I'm
like is this guy just doing allthis shit, dropping out and then
coming back in Because at firsthe supported it, and then now
he's dropping out and thencoming back because he wants to
oppose it, because he's tryingto be conservative, because of
this guy's sexuality?

Speaker 2 (34:59):
No, no, no, no, okay, no, not at all Okay, but the
board.
Sorry about the whole break andeverything.
No, no, I want to make a debatebetween Bill Clinton and Bob
Dole.
When I was a child and I havenot been the same since I was
bored out of my fucking mind andI have been about politics-

(35:21):
Forever.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
You shut down then?

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Like I go to you or Aaron Russell if I want to know
anything politically.
That's going on.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Well, the only thing I look for in politics is
something that would genuinelyaffect our lives Right Period.
I don't care about the rest ofthe world and all their bullshit
.
Let that play out.
What is going to affect me andLindsay?
Right, and that's it.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
And our friends and family Right.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
What is going to affect us period in our
household?

Speaker 2 (35:51):
The rest of it don't worry about, like just at the
same time, whatever, if itaffects people that I care about
, that also means a lot to meyeah, but if it affects me and
you, it's going to affect themtoo.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
But that's all we need to worry about.
The rest of it's going to comeinto play or and a lot of it's
bullshit and fear-mongering, sothat's why I don't just just
really wrap into it as play asPlay more music.
Hey, yes, fuck politics, we'rehere for music, right?

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Make tacos, not war.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Okay, so where was I at?
So we got into that, so youunderstand now.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
No, yeah, and I wasn't trying to like stop you
and change all this, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
I want you to understand because it's fixing,
it, shit's fixing to hit thepaint.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Okay, I just didn't know if he was like backing out
and using this because he wantedto come back in because of such
a thing.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
You understand, period dan white left because he
wasn't making enough money.
Now he's trying to stay on sothat he can keep some
conservative shit in there,because his family and
supposedly his constituents havehave told him he needs to do
that.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
I'm overthinking it, so you can go ahead.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
I mean, of course you know he's conservative, so he
probably didn't really like thegay stuff.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Exactly yes.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
So well, the city attorney said this is final,
final ruling.
Dan's resignation is legallybinding and there were no
loopholes for him uh to be, forhim to be able to return to his
seat.
So Dan was pissed and publiclydeclared that he rejected this
ruling and he insisted that hewas still the supervisor of

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district 8.
But that's not really how itworks, dan.
Sorry, you did this.
You resigned and said nevermind, sorry, I, I changed mind,
but it doesn't work out that way.
Mayor Muscoe was going to haveto appoint a new supervisor on
Monday November 27th at a pressconference scheduled for 1130 am
.
Now Dan White lost his shit.

(37:43):
And on that Monday November27th, dan loaded his 38th
special revolver and brought 10extra bullets with him and
headed down to City Hall.
Now Dan knew that there weremetal detectors at the front of
the building.
He also like called up hissecretary or his aide, is what
the official name was and waslike hey, can you give me a ride

(38:06):
Because my wife's got the car.
I need a ride.
And of course nobody knowswhat's going on in Dan's mind,
but Dan.
So she gives, she picks him up,she gives him a ride to city
hall.
He went through the window of anengineer's office and went to
Mayor Miscon's office and askedMayor Miscon's secretary to see

(38:26):
him and the mayor was like youknow what?
We don't have an appointment,but go ahead and let him in,
even though I've got this pressconference here in a little bit
Now.
Some words were exchanged andit got heated.
So Mayor Muscoen was like, hey,let's go over to this little
private area that I have andlet's have a drink.
Because those were the dayswhere they were.
They had a bar cart in theiroffice.
Man Like they was chain smokingand drinking at like 9 am,

(38:52):
whiskey on the rocks or neatswhatever.
Um, he was like let's have adrink to ease this tension.
But this does not help ease anytension and dan pulled out his
gun and fired two shots intogeorge muscon, who fell to the
ground, and then dan fired twomore rounds into his head.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
So, like the whole thing, everything I was thinking
there was a hidden agenda asfar as somebody pushing him into
doing such a horrific thing thewhole time, and I felt like it
was building up to something andI was completely wrong.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
So Dan just lost his shit from the pressure, from
everything.
He was working 60 hours a weekat a potato stand trying to
support his family along withdoing this job that he has now
resigned from on his own.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Nobody told him to.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Nobody pushed him to, nobody asked him to, he just
did it.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
So yeah, from my perspective, I was just trying
to gather.
Why is there motivation towardhim doing something like that?

Speaker 2 (39:52):
So now, when he says, ok, I want my job back.
Mayor Muscold, like was goingto help him out with that, even
though they were opposed in alot of their ideas.
But Mayor Muscold was a reallygood mayor and a really good
person, it seems like, and waslike let me figure out what we
can do.
The city attorney is the onethat made that official decision
.
It had nothing, even though theboard was like we don't really

(40:15):
want him back because we'retrying to make change and he
just kind of wants to hang outright here.
But it still had nothing to dowith the board.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
I got you it was the city.
It took me a while because itwas just like I was off kilter a
little bit, trying to figureout what's pushing him toward
being pushed.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
So the city attorney made the official decision.
Yeah, but that didn't matter toDan White.
Dan White is now pissed atMayor Muscone.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Right so he has.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Now I felt like this murder just got overlooked.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
He snapped oh my God.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
So Dan pulled out his .38 revolver and shot George
Moscone a total of five times.
What the fuck?
Four times Wow.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
So he's done this in City Hall.
Right there, right there inCity Hall.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah, so now he heads out of Mayor Moscone's office
and went to find Harvey Milk,because now he thinks also that
Harvey is behind him, not beingable to get his job back.
It had nothing to do with anyof them.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
No, it had nothing to do with him.
It was a city attorney.
It had nothing to do with him,yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
So he got to Harvey's office and saw that he was in
and asked if they could talk inprivate, as Harvey's aide was
present.
And Dan and Harvey head down toDan's former office.
Dan shut the door behind himand Harvey's last words were oh
no.

(41:39):
And Dan shot him three times inthe body Fuck, lindsay.
And then shot him two moretimes in the back of the head
what the fuck for.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
I'm going to cry.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
He was fucking confused too, so then Dan
proceeded to find his own aide,asked for her car keys and took
off.
Dan then called his wife andasked her to meet him at a
cathedral, because you know,they're conservative, they're
religious.
Praise the Lord.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Right, god will make it better.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
And then both walked into a police station where Dan
turned himself in to a policeofficer that he did know
personally and trusted.
Dan said you know what?
I just snapped after all thepressure that I've been under
the financial issues and thenbeing rejected from trying to
get my seat back, and I did knowthat Harvey and the other board

(42:33):
members had been to blame forthat because they didn't agree
with my conservative views andideas.
That's what he tells.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
He gave up his seat.
He gave up his seat, he gave up.
He gave it up.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
And Dan was pissed that the mayor didn't tell him
his replacement personally andhe had heard about it from a
reporter the night before.
So honestly I mean honestly themedia, a reporter, caused a lot
of this.
They called dan the nightbefore, on sunday night before
that monday morning, before heloaded his 38 revolver and went

(43:08):
down the city hall and shotmayor muscone and harvey mill.
So I'm allowed to say fuckinghidden agenda.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Somebody was pushing him into that.
There's something that made hismind think that I need to turn
this over and go attack all thisshit, because I'm not getting
what I want.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Well, the reporter just called and said hey,
so-and-so is fixing to replaceyou.
I forgot the exact name it wasanother Dan too.
I forgot that it was the lastname, but the reporter was like
hey, so we have word thatso-and-so is going to replace
you tomorrow.
Can you give me a story abouthow you feel?
Dan just hung up on him andsnapped.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
And the pressure was on.
Yeah, that was the agenda.
I'm not trying to come in asoverthinking the political side
of all this but I feel likethere was pressure behind it.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Personally, when I think of hiddenenda, I think of
a conspiracy, a pre plan or apre-plan, right, right.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
So all that was going on, he was ready to step out.
Somebody was pressuring him toget back in, and if he wasn't
back in he would never besocially accepted.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Maybe, Right.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know,does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (44:17):
right.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know,does that make sense?
I feel like that, I just feel,I feel like that.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Maybe I'm wrong.
Well, there's a.
There is a movie I was going toplug it at the end but there is
a movie about this where harveymilk is.
Our sean penn plays harvey milkand maybe we can look more into
that.
This I just did off of articlesthat I read online right about
harvey milk and I listened to abook Hold on one second.
It's called who is Harvey milk.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
It was an audio book that I found on Spotify.
But it kills somebody over someconspiracy, that somebody is
pushing you back into somethingand the pressure there was some
pressure behind that, becauseotherwise he would have just
stepped away Well, I just thinkthat there was pressure in Dan's
life all around all around yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Financially, politically, just stepped away.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Well, I just think that there was pressure in dan's
life all around, all around,yeah, financially, politically,
everything.
So, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
So I mean that's why I kept saying that he's also, I
mean, he's also a vet yeah, fromvietnam through some stuff he's
also a former police officerand firefighter, so there's ptsd
, I'm sure there's stuff goingon, yeah, but I don't yeah we're
not trying to justify any no,I'm not just.
There's no fucking justifyingany of that because he was, I

(45:26):
think.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
I think that was his breaking point, when he wanted
to step away from politics.
He said he wanted to step away.
He's not getting paid enough.
I want want to step away.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Well, he said that he wasn't getting paid enough to
not focus more.
I'm sorry, let me get this, letme word this right he wasn't
getting paid enough to focussolely on his district, right.
He still had to have a verylong hour job on the side, which

(45:55):
was the potato stand, whichshould have been more
comfortable.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Like I can step away from this potato stand job to
support my home and family andeverything.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Well, what gets me is , after he decides to resign,
then the family's like hey,we'll help you run this shit.
Why didn't they say that beforehe resigned?

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Exactly, and then somebody started plugging that
into his brain that he needs todo better and he needs to do
this and stick with it I meanbecause honestly, I mean san
francisco is huge, I mean thatwas probably a very well there's
probably five or six peopledoing that, saying you know
different districts you knowmore than that in san francisco
somebody was yeah, he wasdistrict eight yeah, so, yeah,

(46:34):
so those people plugging thatback into him so it became a
different, you know, mentalthing that would that snapped
over somebody that had ptsd andwe lost a or san francisco, not
we.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Uh, we weren't alive but, san francisco lost a very
liberal, forward-thinking mayorand a great gay activist in that
community.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
And it seemed like he was doing great stuff.
Bullshit yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
I mean, he wasn't just fighting for gay rights?
Which was important in itself.
He was also doing a lot ofother great things.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Yeah, for kids and school.
It was very amazing in hiscommunity.
It would have been a greattransition into giving a lot of
kids a lot of cool things.
I mean it set that city backfor a while and I'm going to
talk more about that.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
So, Dan was charged with two counts of murder use of
firearms and being armed with adeadly weapon, and charged with
interfering with officialduties of the mayor and the
supervisor.
Prosecution was, of course,seeking the death penalty, but
Dan's trial began in May of 1979.

(47:47):
And the question was why Danhad committed the crime.
They knew that he did it.
Me too, I want to know why.
They want to know why he did it.
Me too, I want to know why,they want to know why.
So prosecution said that thesewere premeditated murders with
clear intentions, which it seemslike that to me as well.
Defense said that Dan wasacting under diminished capacity

(48:10):
and he was not in control ofhis actions and he had been
suffering from a lot ofundiagnosed mental illness,
which I can get on board with.
That a little bit too Right,being in the, you know, being a
veteran from a very horrific war, being, you know, in the police
force, being a firefighter,that probably does take a toll

(48:31):
on somebody, it wouldn't takemuch but a little bit of push to
send him over the fucking edge.
Right right.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
And then he had it pre-planned, like you just said.
So the whole hidden agendathing could have been a thing to
me where it's like somebodyinstilled something on him and
he locked it in and had tofulfill that mission.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
He had to do that right and there could be so they
said that a lot of his issuesstemmed from pressure, change in
diet and lack of sleep.
They used what would be calledthe twinkie defense, as he had
been consuming too much junkfood in the time leading up to
the murders because he had beenhealthy before.

(49:13):
And this can happen too.
Uh, when you are eating cleanand you know doing good and
being fit and then all of asudden you just change your diet
and crash out.
You're eating junk food afterjunk food.
It fucks with your head as well.
You start develop.
I I did that a long time agoand I actually developed blood
sugar issues from that which canturn into.

(49:33):
I did a year-long crash-ass dietwhere I was restricting myself
from so many foods.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Add pressure and PTSD , and then a whole political job
on top of it and somebodypushing you Boom.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Right.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Right, that's what I feel like.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
So, like I said, he had been eating healthy before
but due to the pressure he wasunder, he let his healthy habits
go and he was consuming moreunhealthy options like um.
His aide even testified andsaid that he was at a press
conference where everythingactually went very well and he
told her to go buy him sixdonuts and he like stuffed all

(50:14):
them donuts in his face and thenjust like went into a
depression after that.
So maybe he had some diabetesshit going on.
And you just presented me withsomething that happened in our
hometown which actually stemmedfrom like murders literally next
door in our neighborhood oversome blood sugar.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yeah, that literally happened within a mile.
Not even, not even a mile.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Yeah, you're probably right, like four blocks, four
blocks away from us.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Wow, we need to talk about that later on.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it'scrazy.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
So I mean there's science behind it.
But prosecution wasn't havingthat shit and insisted that this
was premeditated first-degreemurder.
So the jury deliberated for atotal of 36 hours over the next
six days and dan white was foundnot guilty on first degree or
second degree murder but wascharged with two counts of

(51:11):
manslaughter manslaughter that'sthat's accidental death right I
feel like that was premeditatedRight.
Well, yeah, we're going to getthere.
So Dan's supporters werethrilled, but Harvey's
supporters were pissed, pissed.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Right.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
And a group of 3,000 started marching towards City
Hall and tore that shit up.
Which good on you, becausethat's unfair as fuck.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Right.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Because guess what?
He got a measly seven years andeight months now for two
motherfucking murders 50 yearswhere he literally overkilled
both of them.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
He overkilled both of them had everything ready to
bring to that conversation.
Right right, right there we'regonna have have some drinks and
talk about something.
He has it all ready right thereto pull out and fuck them up
completely.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
And he walked after five years.
How is that not premeditated?
How is that?
Not premeditated Hold on.
He walked after five years.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Lindsay.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
And got one year probation to follow.
But on October 22nd 1985, danWhite was found dead in his
garage.
He had taken his own lifebecause of I think personally
everything that he did ate awayat his soul.
It will, it'll always get you.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
And he left several notes for his family and
everybody, but he neverapologized or showed any any
remorse for the assassinations.
10 years later, it was revealedthat dan had actually intended
on killing both mayor musconeand harvey milk and actually
planned on killing two othersupervisors named willie brown

(52:55):
and carol silver, because hethought that they had also been
a part of him not beingreappointed to his position
Pre-fucking meditated, ready togo.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
I'm going to bring this shit to the table and blow
your fucking head off Two people.
How is not premeditated and howis he had four people on his
list?

Speaker 2 (53:13):
He had four people on his list but he didn't go
through with the other two,killed two, he, he had four
people on his list.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
He had four people on his list, but he didn't go
through with the other twomurders, killed two.
He had it already.
Fucking bam bam.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
And was prepared and he overkilled Muscone and Harvey
.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
It wasn't a bam bam.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
It was a bam ba-da-bam ba-da-bam ba-da-bam,
ba-bam, bam, bam.
He didn't go through heyLindsay.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
justice was not served to begin with, but at
least Dan White is dead.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Harvey Milk's accomplishments have never been
forgotten and his story inspiredthe film Milk, which I
mentioned earlier in the episodestarring Sean Penn, which came
out in 2008.
And in 2009, the Harvey MilkFoundation was established by
his nephew, stuart Milk, and hiscampaign manager in Cronenberg.
Harvey Milk Day is May 22ndbecause that's his birthday,

(54:06):
okay, and it's celebrated inmany communities year after year
, right?
So the whole thing.
Like I said, he was a pioneer.
He was Full on, full on.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
I mean, like I said, he was a pioneer.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
He was Full on, full on, I mean like Making cool ass
things.
I looked up some interviews andI mean he just he has this,
it's the speech of hope and it'sso good, yeah, so good.
I could not find a clip of heror I would love to play it, but
you guys look that up.
Look up Harvey Milk's speech ofhope.
We, but you guys look that up.
Look up Harvey.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Milk's Speech of Hope .
We both support people thinkingoutside the box and just having
their own?

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Oh, 100%, because how are you ever going to progress?

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Who gives a fuck about sexuality?
When you have great ideas, whogives a fuck about it?
Right, and I was just trying toI'm standing on all that
because Does somebody else'ssexuality bother you.
If you don't agree that way,why does it?
It really didn't, but it seemedlike somebody talking about you
.
I'm talking about people ingeneral general yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Why does somebody else's sexual orientation bother
you so much, to the point whereyou have to fight that their
sexuality should be illegal?
Right, I mean, what the fuck?
Right, If they're pushing thatthey're right to love another
person.
They're trying to make youillegal, that's horrible.
Right If they're trying to makeyou think a certain way because

(55:24):
they want you to do that.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
That's dystopian, like don't do it, don't, yeah.
But if they have great ideas,hey, support them let them be
people.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
What was that I mean?
Mayor muscone supported thefuck out of harvey milk he was a
straight man, right, but heloved harvey milk.
They were, they were.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
But the whole story really didn't have anything to
do with sexuality or anything.
It was just like I felt like hewas pushed into something that
he couldn't control and hesnapped the fuck out, and it was
just like that was the victim.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Well, at the same time he went after you know he
did later on to confess that hewent after Harvey and the other
two what was their names?
Willie, willie Brown and CarolSilver, because they were in
support of LGBTQ views and theydidn't really want him back on
the board.
Because he wasn't for theirviews.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Right, conservative versus progressive.
They didn't, they didn't, theydidn't.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
But that was the whole thing was they didn't vote
him out, they didn't force himRight.
He did that to himself.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Yeah, that's why I feel like it wasn't really a
battle between the one or theother.
He killed these people becauseof something that he did himself
.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Right, that's what.
Just that's what this is.
They were a political targetbecause of their sexuality,
right yeah.
That's what makes this storycrazy and insane?
Because he literally went afterpeople that didn't do anything
to him.
Yeah, and as long as me andLindsey's been together, because
we even go to drag showstogether oh my God, it's our

(56:46):
favorite thing to fucking do.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
If we're going out like we don't do it very much
anymore.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
I don't give a fuck dude.
We're going to a fucking dragbar.
I would pay a dude that'sdressed up like a woman to dance
for my wife yes, and I got thatfor my party and I will.
I don't give a fuck because Idon't feel that way and she
don't feel that way, and we'rejust having fun because we
support people that are that way, because they can be that way,
we don't give a fuck exactlyyeah, and that's just what it is

(57:12):
and I will fight for their.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
I will fight right along.
They're allowed to have their.
They're allowed to have theirrights.
They're allowed to do theirthing.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
They're allowed to have their spot and they don't
push shit on us.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
One of my very best friends is part of the LGBTQ
community and I love her and Ilove her wife.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
We have several.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
And I love their dogs .
Those are my niece and nephews.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
I think honestly, lindsay, we can cover all the
letters together.
You know, between our friends,and we don't give a damn dude.
Let them be them.
Exactly that's what we do, andthey're still our fucking
friends.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Well, at the same time, we do give a damn.
We give a damn about them, yeah, and we love them and we'll
fight for their rights.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
We don't give a damn about not supporting them.
Right, we're, I want to supportthem.
If you understand where I'mgoing.
I'm just like Lindsay, I'mgoing to support them, ollie and
all the people that I haveAmazing, they're not going to
push their stuff on us.
They're going to be cool withus and they're going to be them
and we're going to support thembecause them are them and they

(58:10):
are they and we love them forthem.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
You know what you are correct.
Does that make sense?
We do have loved ones in ourlife that literally cover every
letter.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Every letter, every letter.
And we love them so much I willinvite them over and I will
love them, because I literallylove them.
Yes, and it's all about thembeing them.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
And we support who they are.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Or they being they.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Or any of them being any of them.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
They being whatever they want to be whatever.
And that's what it's all about.
That's what it's all about, andso happy pride month and happy.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Just support people, letting them be people.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
And thank you, harvey milk, for everything that you
did for the gay community,because it's.
I mean, like I said, I covereda very small, uh handful, yeah,
small.
I covered a very small amountof the things that he
accomplished.
Like I said, I encourage you tofind everything that you can on
this man, who was Harvey Milkwas the book that I read, the OG

(59:11):
, the OG.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Yes, he is the OG, politically the OG.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Politically the OG and, like I said, I hate
politics so much.
That shit went on for thousandsand thousands of years and
churches and all kind of crazyshit.
This story here just really,when I heard about it for the
first time, probably about fiveyears ago, and it just really
stuck in my heart and HarveyMilk has been on my mind ever
since- Okay.
And I really wanted to sharethat.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Well, thank you, Lindsay.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
It was just like I'm not trying to be like pushing
back toward your story oranything.
No, you were just trying tofigure out what was going on.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
I was trying to figure it out and I was trying
to grab a pocket and I wastrying to explain to you.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
We've both been day drinking.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
You guys, oh God, yeah, we had a great time at the
river.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
This podcast is called Drink About.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Something yes go ahead.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
There it is.
I was going to go this way andwe're going to drink the whole
time while we're doing this, butI'm going to give one of these
because, but you guys, I justwant to say at the end of this,
I still prefer this to bay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
So you've heard over what is this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
This is happy dad, happy dad.
I feel like this should be moretoward dads.
Why is it?
But it's father's day tomorrow,but you got happy dad for you
for father's Day, but you didn'tget happy dad for me for
Father's Day.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
I got a whole case of them you're more than welcome
to, because I don't really likethem.
I kind of like it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
But I'm loving this caramel apple over here.
But you did a great job on yourstory.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
And I really just wanted to say thank you, lindsay
, and we all support everybodyfor being who the fuck they are.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Be who you want to be , love who you want to love, as
long as it is consensual andlegal.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Yep, yes, yep, do your thing.
That's what's up, exactly.
I hate it.
I hate it.
I hate it.
That was like a thing that youcould put in your agenda for
that.
That didn't really tie into it,but it kind of did.
It was just like I was tryingto figure out whatever the fuck
really was going on, and Ididn't know so, but you did

(01:01:08):
great, lindsay, this is kind oftwisted me a little bit.
Fucking murder over this shitand dude got a fucking bullshit
ass fucking cigarette.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
I mean they were political figures, so it's an
assassination.
So yeah, and you know, what'scrazy is, harvey Milk knew that
he was going to be assassinated.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
He knew it.
He had it all for himself, buthe had no, huh.
He had, I mean Dan White.
After the end of it he was justlike I can't take this, I'm
done Because the I'm donebecause the pressure, the same
pressure that brought him intothat shit, got his self.
I guarantee it, darren, fuckingto it.
I'm over here, sliding to theside, over here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
My plant cannot support you, sir.
Oh well, I just I was thinkingabout it does not have arms to
reach out.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
I was thinking about hanging out at the plant a
little bit.
I couldn't laugh into it.
I was trying to make somefucking jokes but I couldn't
fucking do it.
I was trying to wrap into thisbecause it was serious and and
whatever the fuck we did theriver is really hard for me,
it's very serious.
Yeah, political shit is hardfor me to cover.
Let it be serious.
Just let's play fucking musicand be everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
What band are we plugging today?
I?

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
got some cool ass fucking music for you to check
out, lindsay from.
I think they're from fuckingbaltimore, dude.
Oh no, they're not frombaltimore, they're from grand
rapids, michigan.
You got that completely wrong.
I was way off.
I would.
I think we're going tobaltimore.
I think we're going to.

(01:02:30):
No, we're going up to maryland,we're going up to everywhere.
We're going all the way up tomaine.
So y'all stay in tune for that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
That's happening if you want a great musical about
baltimore?

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
fucking hairspray fuck yeah, hairspray.
Why was I thinking baltimoreright now?
I?

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
actually love.
I mean that I know I'm amillennial and I'm probably
supposed to like the ricky lakeone better, but I don't.
I like the zach efron and nikkiblansky one better, I watch
that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
We were talking about nostalgic fucking.
I have watched that every othermonth for 15 years like I love
hairspray oh yeah, we love music, queen latifah's in it james
martin's in it, jenniferpfeiffer's in it, that's just
something jennifer michellePfeiffer's in it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
The Walken, the Christopher motherfucking Walken
, is it?

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Yes, we have me and you have.
We have really came together onmusicals.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Lindsay.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
I love them so much Like musicals.
I wish my life was amotherfucking musical.
I would be singing and dancingeverywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Give me a script.
I got this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
So this band is from Grand Rapids.
I don't know why I was thinkingof Baltimore, but I mean we're
going up.
We're going up to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Maine, you did tell me that you found one from
Baltimore.
I did so.
Maybe that's a little laterdate.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
I did, I did.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
I'm finding so much.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
So, I put them in my, my super heavy solid, right,
hook, right and we're justfucking dude.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
They were so cool and I know I played with them.
I know we've played with themat a show or two maybe, but
anyhow, if we haven't, they wereone of the bands that played
under the bridge in jacksonvilleat this badass show and I think
they played with us at 1904 injacksonville.
But really cool.
It did sound familiar when youtold me.
But you you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
We've been to so many shows I've played so many shows
we should have started flyerafter flyer.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
I looked at all my flyers and I couldn't see them
on it, but I think we've playedtogether.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
I have a whole box of all of the shit that.
I need to dig down and dig down.
I need to get down and gothrough it and organize it,
cause we need to like.
I mean, we've accomplished somuch musically, it's insane,
yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
And I, if you guys are music lovers, I encourage
you to go to every concert,every festival, every local show
, music, every local, that'swhere it's at I don't give a
fuck if there's 20 people thereor less.
Have some drinks and enjoy afucking t-shirt because you know
what, guess what they could betoday what really put.
I mean, this will put it intoperspective for you um, one of

(01:05:12):
our friends that goes to a lotof local shows um and does some
photography for them.
He expressed that he had sawwho is now the new lead singer
for Lincoln Park at a local showin Tallahassee not five years
ago, and it was maybe a crowd of30.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
And she was over there just rocking the fuck out.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
She was rocking the fuck out with the band that she
was in then, and now she'sliterally the lead singer of
Lincoln Park.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Support.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Who just had over 45,000 people in attendance at
Rockville.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
And yeah so.
I mean well for that show forthat particular show, for that
particular one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
It was like over 220 through the weekend.
Yeah 220,000 people.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Yeah, and you're on that, on the top of the fucking
list.
Come on y'all.
Support bands.
That's a headliner, supportthem.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Local bands and all Start.
You never know when you'regoing to see that local band.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Start with going to your closed local show.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
And it's fun because we've done this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
We have watched bands grow from little babies to very
small venues to now.
We'll probably never get themin that small capacity again but
we got it when we got it and itwas the most memorable thing in
our life.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
We watched Beartooth in his infancy.
We watched Beartooth in theirinfancy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
We watched Ginger in their infancy yeah, we watched.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Slaughter to Prevail in their infancy.
Beartooth wore my band shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
We saw Ginger wore your band shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Ginger did, we saw.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Spirit Box in their infancy my band shirt we saw.
Yeah, we saw.
And uh, ginger, wear your bandshirt, ginger.
Um, we saw spirit box in theirinfancy.
Yeah, I mean just it's, it's agreat thing to behold.
I mean honestly, just to watcha band.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Just grow up, and because me and jesse get so
emotional, we're like these areour babies that we watch grow up
when you go to festivals andnow they have hieroglyphics and
you support them and that wascalled the, the whole pyro
techniques.
What did I?
And now they have pyroglyphics.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
And you support them and all.
What is it called the wholepyro, pyrotechnics, pyrotechnics
.
What did I say?
Pyroglyphics, pyroglyphics.
I've had too many seltzerstoday.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Was it called again the dad?

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
I haven't had too many happy dads.
I started on this today.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
And now over the place right now, but at the same
time play this, watchingfucking babies grow up.
Yeah, support bands, though doit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
This is reckless rhythms, reckless rhythms, okay
that's the name of the bandsreckless rhythms okay, hold on,
I'm gonna find them on instagram, okay I want you to find them.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
I want everybody to support them and that was don
taylor's name.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Sorry you guys.
I love him, so follow him ontiktok britney from reckless
rhythms.
I talked to her and me fromreckless she was just like play
our stuff, check us out.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
They're from fucking grand rapids, michigan, and I
was thinking fucking, was itbaltimore?
Why was I thinking about?
That's a whole different state.
Well, I've been planning outour trip all the way up to maine
and back, which we're going tobe talking about, lizzie Borden
pretty soon.
Mm-hmm, and follow us, reckless.
What Rhythms Right?
Am I right?
Is it right here?

(01:08:03):
There it is yes, okay, sofollow them.
Follow usDrinkAboutSomethingsite.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
We want everything, yes it is, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Follow and support for the bands.
We want everything in support,of course, for us, but I mean,
it's more about the bands for me, and this song is called
troubled hearts, so I want youguys to check this shit out.
It's going to be fucking fire,so check this stuff out, we'll

(01:08:41):
be right back.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

(01:09:28):
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh.
Thank you, I've got you andyou've got me, and there's no
place that I'd rather be.
We've all been lost before andfind ourselves stuck searching
for Something that is worthfighting for.

(01:09:53):
Truth yourself.
You've got to believe we canmake it through our sin.
We can make it through our sin.

(01:10:27):
We can make it through our sin.
Thank you, we'll be right back.
Something that is worthfighting for.
Trust yourself.
You gotta believe we can makeit through our sin.

(01:11:04):
We can make it through our sin.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

(01:11:28):
oh, oh.
We've all been lost before andfind ourselves just stretching
apart Something that is worthfighting for.
Trust, punk, punk so much fun.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Fucking much fucking fire.
Yes, I loved it so much.
It's cool man.

(01:12:05):
Yeah, that's exactly lindsey'sover there bobbing her head the
whole time and I was just likedude, that is just phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
You guys did a great job, love it, love the good cool
, just smooth punk.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Smooth oh, I don't know Smooth.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Yeah, it is smooth, punk Smooth punk.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Yeah, yeah, a little skanking.
A heart is not chaotic.
Can I do a little skanking withthat?
Yeah, Skanking.
So if you want some skankingass, fucking punk where you can
get out there and juke with itand do your thing, check these
guys out and like them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Follow them, subscribe to them.
Like us, follow us, subscribeto us.
We love you.
We know you're listening do allthe things, share the things
share the things.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Share the things.
So Reckless Rhythms and thissong was called Trouble Hearts,
and Lindsay has a littlesomething that she wants to
follow up on that we've beentalking about for the last few
pods.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
So, yes, jesse, did the homework for me, and so if
you want to sign, what is it for?
West Memphis 3?
Justice, go totheinnocenceprojectorg.
Forward slash petitions,forward slash justice for the
West Memphis 3.
And we will plug all of that inour show notes.

(01:13:22):
Yes, because we have got to fit, we got to get, we got to get
these boys A little bit ofjustice, a little bit of
something justice here, Well forthe kids itself, for the kids
who killed them?

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Clear the names of the men that did not because
okay, so this was an example.
Um.
Of the men that did not becauseokay, so this was an example.
Um, damien can't go out of thecountry because he is a
convicted felon.
Convicted felon, yeah, jason,and jesse can't go out of the
country because they arewrongfully.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Wrongfully, they accepted it to get the fuck out
of the system and it was justlike there is somebody really
out there and it's going tohappen.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
That horrifically killed three little boys Sign
the fucking petition.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Let them do the DNA test, let them do their fucking
job.
Sign it, make it really happen.
You know what I used to fightfor?
Lindsay Leonard Peltier.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Yeah, and that's another good cause right there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
He is on house arrest now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Did he get out of prison?

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
He's on house arrest yeah our past president.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
let him just be on house arrest forever and he's
out.
So it was like dude Leonardshould not be because he was
part of the AIM, the wholemovement and everything, and it
was just like but his bulletdidn't match.
So why is he still in housearrest?

(01:14:44):
But at least he's out of prisonnow, you know.
But like everything justfucking changes and all that,
and we're trying to make thatchange with our stories.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
But how old is Leonard?

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Oh God he's got to be like in his late 70s.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Yeah, he's older.
Let this man just be free, justlet him fucking be free yeah.
He didn't hurt anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
I mean, I fought for him for years and years and
years, before you even knew meRight.
But follow Lindsay's stuff,follow our stuff, follow all
the's stuff, follow our stuff,follow all the band's stuff.
Just drink about something.
You got sight.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Follow our little petition Fuck, I can't talk.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Petition.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Petition yes.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
It's out there.
I put it on fucking the lastpod.
I put it on this one.
This was fucking crazy and Iwas just on team pre-motivation.
There's something pushingtoward him snapping the fuck out
and he was already shot outfrom previous wars and drama and
all that craziness and it cancome into play.

(01:15:50):
It can come into play and it'shorrific.
It really is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
It is, it's not fair.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
No, it's not fair.
And for people to push you intosomething.
I feel like he was pushing intoit, I feel like he was really
pushing into it.
But we will see you guys nextFriday.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
We never even said happy Friday, but happy Friday
happy Friday and we're gonnahave another LGBTQ story for you
next week you got another onelined up.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
You kinda fucked me up a little bit with me trying
to analyze.
I was probably overanalyzing.
Does that make sense?
Whatever Overanalyzing, I don'tknow, but I was just my
thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Jesse, go home to your trunk.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Should I, should I go home?
I won't leave you guys with it.
Fuck whatever, whatever goingto leave you guys with it, fuck
whatever.
Whatever else, we'll see youguys next Friday.
Okay, we love you so much.
We love you so much.
Keep listening, keep fuckinglistening.
I am fucking drunk.
I am on fucking caramel apple.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Caramel, caramel.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Caramel apple Lindsay .
That's where we started Caramel, Caramel Apple Lindsay apple
lindsey.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
That's where we started.
Caramel apple lindsey.
We love you.
We'll see you guys next friday.