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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey Jesse, hey Lindsey, what are you drinking
today?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I got adventurous, you did.
I'm an adventurer.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I see that.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yeah, monster made this alcohol stuff called the
Beast.
Uh-huh, and I'm going to runthe whole train on all four
flavors.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Okay, what flavor is that?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Killer Sunshine.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Ooh, can I taste a sip?
No, yeah, I will taste a soap.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
No, yeah, I will, I'll let you.
You puckered your lip dude Me,me, me, me, me, me, me, me.
No, I wanted to be adventurous.
Hopefully it don't geek me uptoo much.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Well, I checked there's no caffeine content.
Okay, I checked, but it is 6%alcohol, whereas my vista bay is
five and you're on the vistabay this.
Today I have the lemon lime.
I'm about out.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So good we had to make a good, I don't know
anything about beast, though.
The beast, the beast.
I'm gonna unleash the beast,kill the beast.
Let's kill the beast, let'swatch that shit.
Yes, I'm breaking it open.
What are we drinking about,lenzardo, over there?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
we are drinking about .
All right this.
So this will be our um wrap upon our lgbtq series.
Um for the end of pride.
This will come out technicallyon July 4th.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Happy 4th of July, so happy 4th of.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
July.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, we will be Try that Is it good, try it, try it.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
That is good.
I want to try that pink onethough.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
We're going to run them all.
Yeah, we're running them alltoday.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Running them all.
Anyways, this is our last casefor this pride month, um, and
we're going to be talking abouta gentleman named scott amador.
Amateur, something like that.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Amateur we'll go with amateur and we gotta.
I have to believe you because Idon't know.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I know so, before we get to all that, what made you
feel old this week?
me yeah oh, I thought oh whoelse am I talking to audience?
What made you feel old thisweek?
I mean, they can't answer meback, so yeah, they can, if they
get on our stuff if you want tomessage us on Instagram or
(02:20):
through a email drink aboutsomething, pod on the Gmail,
drinkaboutsomething on theInstagram, or you can just go to
our website,drinkaboutsomethingsite, and
follow us on all the things andsend us a message about what
made you feel old, but anyways.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
But I'm asking you, jesse Sambaugh, I mean, I had it
, I had it earlier and it waslike on a random Tuesday of this
week.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
It came to me, yeah, but I forgot.
Oh, so maybe that makes me feelold, how's that?
No, like I mean, okay, so bodyailments and all that stuff we
always talk about, well, I do,you know for sure.
Now, memory, music, things ofthe past, just pulling up the
(03:10):
spots like we did today, yeah,and we're like I remember coming
here before, like anything wasdeveloped.
You know, right, I went to aspring today which florida has
the most amazing springs in theworld, like yeah, this one is
now a state park called LittleRiver Springs State Park.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I think so.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
And I used to go there and skinny dip at night
and build fires down there onthe bank and just hang out all
night long and just party and dowhatever Like when I was like
16, you know it was like thething to do, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And it's a great little place.
It's literally a little springthat goes to the, that is
connected to the swanee yeah,it's a cool little little spot.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, I just remember going back, so that kind of
makes me feel old yeah and we'vegot our grandchildren now and
that's wild, yeah, yeah I'm likeyou see that spot right over
there.
I used to swim naked right overthere and late at night, like
we never do anything other thanjust swim around naked.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
That's still weird and very dangerous because there
is a lot of gaitas.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, one of them, largemouth, might have grabbed
my wing, wow yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I mean not in the spring part.
The spring part is prettyshallow.
There ain't really noreptilians hanging out in that
part and there's a really coolcave and we were talking about
how there used to be a oldpetrified tree in that cave and
it's not there anymore.
They moved it that must havebeen part of the steak part
thing and they found a woollymammoth in there.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, that was cool.
So that kind of makes me feelold.
Yeah, what about you?
Your turn?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
so that bruise.
So two weeks ago we were atRoyal Springs.
We like to spring hop duringthe summertime and, yeah, I
acquired a bruise and it's stillthere.
Still a big old hunk of fleshthat is bruised swollen two
(05:00):
weeks later.
So yeah, that's that whole.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Thing.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, that whole.
Thing.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I like lifted up my leg, thinking that I was.
I was going to show somebody,but you already seen it.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, that would definitely, just looking at
something you're like, thiswould have healed up so much
faster.
You know, I'm getting old.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I don't know.
I've always had an issue withbruises just hanging out.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
for a long time you got bruises just hanging out for
a long time you got the randombruises all the time I am part
of the random the mystery bruisebruise club, yes, but this
one's your own ass at night.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
This one's not a mystery.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I know where it came from and it hurt very badly so,
like two o'clock in the morning,I'm gonna wake up and just
watch you beat your own ass yeah, what are you?
Doing?
I'm whipping my own ass.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Absolutely so.
With all of that being said, ifyou are new here, what we do is
we have a couple of drinks, we,or I, unload a true crime story
onto Jesse, so, and most of thetime like like ninety nine
(06:03):
point nine, nine percent of thetime he has no idea what I'm
going to dump on him.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
She also lets me know how old I am every single week.
Yeah, lindsay, thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
So we talk about the true crime and at the end of the
episode we plug a band thatJesse has sought out and got
permission to play on our podpermission to play on our pod.
And you put notes on my notesthat, OMG, Aurora Wave is going
to be on Octane.
That's exciting With our boyJose Jose Megan, middle investor
(06:37):
man.
Middle investor Megan.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Devils Dozer.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Maybe they will make it to the Devils.
You can't do it.
I can't do it either.
Lindsay, You're over therecoughing.
She's such a metalhead.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I try so hard, scream , and it seems like the more
that I practice, the less.
Like I can't even do vocal fryanymore.
You can't, no.
Since we quit smokingcigarettes I can't do vocal fry
anymore more.
You can't, no, since we quitsmoking cigarettes I can't do
vocal fry anymore.
Nope, because my octaves werejust not made for metal.
I don't know what it is well,and it sucks, but our boy landon
(07:13):
, yeah, he's in there, ginger inup, ginger in up, yeah
yesterday I was in the kitchengetting uh food preps for our
dinner and for the river.
Today he was.
He always he cleans thebathroom, he cleans their
bathroom on Fridays and healways plays music and we jam
out.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
But he was like he's been really practicing his
growls and dirty vocals, thetransition in between that and
clean, though he's got to workon, but he's getting it.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
And I'm teaching somebody how to scream too at
the same time.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
He found a coach on Instagram Insta coach, insta it.
Yeah, oh yeah and.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I'm teaching somebody how to scream too.
At the same time, he found acoach on Instagram yeah, yeah,
insta coach, insta coach, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
But anyways, so yeah.
What was your favorite daytimetrash TV talk show in the 90s?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Before I do that.
I just wanted to do this realquick because we forgot the
intro.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Happy Friday, happy this real quick because uh, we
forgot the intro.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Happy friday.
Oh my god, we are old.
We forgot the intro song.
It's okay, it's okay.
I'll just repeat the questionwhen the intro song is done.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
You had a question there.
What was you saying, lizzie,before I interrupted you?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
All right, so what was your favorite daytime trash
TV talk show in the 90s?
Like one you would have watchedwhen you stayed home from
school sick or when we had aholiday.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I mean, we watched a shitload of Jerry Springer.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I'm talking about daytime, jerry Springer was
afternoon after we got offschool.
Oh wasn't it?
I don't remember watching itwhen I got off school.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I don't know.
That's about the only one I canbring up, though, because I
didn't watch a lot of that shit,you know.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
OK, so Jerry Springer , all right.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
So, jerry, lot of that shit you know okay, so
jerry springer was it all right.
So jerry springer was known forhaving like insane fights,
controversial things and but itwas, it was it was.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It was kind of staged , oh for sure, but so is most of
all entertainment.
Yeah, a lot of them were not.
So in the 90s, if you uh, ifyou weren't there, if you did
not grow up in our time period,we had many varieties of daytime
talk shows, like Ricky Lake,sally Jesse, raphael, montel,
williams, gordon Elliott, whichwas my favorite because he was
Australian.
I loved him.
(09:35):
He might have been British, Idon't know, but I remember him
being very Australian.
Then we had Mari, who was givenout all the DNA tests.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
And then I remember all that.
I thought all that was aroundthe same time as jerry, I don't
know it is I'm getting there,and jenny jones and then, of
course, jerry springer.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
These talk shows would have all kinds of topics
like teenagers gone bad.
I'm an exotic dancer and myhusband doesn't know.
My best friend needs a makeoveror I'm sleeping with my best
friend's husband.
Is it my baby or?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
not Right the whole thing.
Yeah, who the daddy, who thedaddy is.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
And, like I was saying, a lot of these shows
were staged, but some wereorganic and some of the subjects
had no idea what was about tobe told to them when they were
called on the stage by the talkshow host, Like come on out.
Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
We're going to fly you to Colorado.
You can come hang out, bro.
We're going to put you on TV.
Now.
They won't tell you what thehell's going on.
Yeah, like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
And people lived for this drama and we talked about
it all the time, even as youngkids Like we would go sally
jesse or um jenny jones the daybefore, or montel williams, all
of that ricky lake I neverwatched a lot of ricky lake on
her talk show but I love rickylake movies.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I don't remember watching a lot of it.
I'm I'm sure I've seen it all Imean I've seen it all you know.
It's just I didn't fix it onany of that.
I mean, if I sculled across,then I would be like, well,
you're a dude, but us chicks wewere fucking watching that shit.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So if you watch the movie Hope Floats with Sandra
Bullock, it opens up and that'show the movie starts with.
Her best friend brought her ona Ricky Lake-esque talk show to
let her know that she had beensleeping with her husband and
they were in love.
Who brings?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
their best friend.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, yeah, she thought she was going on there
to get a makeover and her bestfriend tells her I've been
sleeping with your husband,we're in love and fuck you.
Now you're a single mom.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Bye, so yeah, it's horrible.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
It's absolutely horrible.
So the person I'm talking abouttoday, his name is Scott Amador
, and he loved these daytimetalk shows and he was a
bartender at night.
So but before we get into allthat, let's talk about who Scott
was.
So Scott Bernard Amador wasborn on January 26th 1963, frank
(12:05):
Amadur and Patricia Graves inPittsburgh, pennsylvania.
Are we going to Pittsburgh?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Close.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Close Ish, yeah, we're doing a whole New England
trip.
You guys will definitely begoing along with us and we'll
save most of the cool spots as asurprise, because we're going
to have some content as we go upthere.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well, on our way back , we have some time, so we may,
but we may not, and there's somecool spots that I really want
to go, since we'll have time, ohyeah.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Okay, I was just asking because I know we will be
in Pennsylvania, but anyway.
So Scott was the youngest ofsix children.
That's got to be, it's got tobe hard.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
The youngest of six.
Yeah, and your parents areolder, so it's kind of like, ah
damn kids.
I'm done raising many of them.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I know it's like at that point you let your kids
raise your kids yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You just old and wore out with kids.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
So Frank and Patricia divorced and later moved to
Lake Michigan I think it wasLake, lake Orion.
So Scott had quit school whenhe was 17, but he joined the Air
Force right away, like rightout of his you know.
So I didn't even know you coulddo that.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
At 17 in the 90s.
It was just the 90s, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
No, that would have been the early 80s.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, I thought you had to be 18 as well.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
But I mean, and he quit school.
I thought you had to have likeeducation.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Maybe he was At least high school diploma.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
But maybe that was before all of that.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Maybe he was like emancipated or something, or he
just.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
No, it doesn't say.
It didn't say that in myresearch, right, who knows?
In satellite communications,wow.
So with the Air Force he wentto Germany and he learned how to
ski and unfortunately had anaccident and broke his leg.
Oh shit, yeah, fucking skiing'scool until that happens.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
It was Sonny that died from a skiing accident.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Oh yeah, Bono.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, sonny died from skiing.
We miss him In a weird way.
We loved him.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, in a weird way, but we love to share more.
At the end of his four years,scott decided he did not want to
re-enlist because he was gayand he wanted to be able to live
his life out of the closet.
And we didn't have the don'task, don't tell at that point.
Okay, so he was honorablydischarged and continued to work
(14:28):
in communications until hedecided bartending was a better
fit for him.
He was a really friendly personand he loved the nightlife and
he had a couple of failedrelationships and got really
close with a woman named Donnathat lived near him.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
By the way, that's my favorite bartenders.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Oh, me too.
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
It is so fun.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
It's like the greatest time.
I just want to hang out andbullshit.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Because they're friendly and they're talkative
and they hook your drinks up,yeah, and like I love it, it's
cool.
So one day he went over to gosee Donna and she had a friend
named Jonathan Schmitz over whowas working on her car, and
Scott was instantly attractedbut a little nervous about
telling him about his feelingsbecause he wasn't sure.
(15:17):
Now, jonathan had previouslystated that he had been
questioned about his sexualitybut never said that he was gay.
But he was questioned if he wasgay, Right.
Well, donna or Scott, I'veheard.
Both were watching Jenny Jonesshow and they were looking for
guests for an upcoming episodewith the topic revealing same
(15:41):
sex crushes.
So either Donna or Scott calledin and there was an application
and it was accepted and theywere going to be on the show and
Scott would admit to Jonathanthat he was crushing on him.
And this was 1995, by the way.
Jonathan also gets the callfrom the Jenny Jones show or the
Jenny Jones team to tell himthe details.
(16:03):
They tell him that his secretadmirer could be a man or a
woman and at first Jonathan saidno, but curiosity got the best
of him and he finally agreed.
And to be honest, afterwatching way too many of those
shows myself.
Personally, I would have saidno, because it's just quite
(16:24):
intimidating.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Sounds like a trap.
Yeah, you're just like I don'tknow what they're fixing to dump
me off into right.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
because, because I watched that shit like if I was
out of school or, uh yeah, if Ihad the day off from school or I
was home sick.
That was just my routine yeah Iwould watch all the daytime
talk shows curiosity.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
That would kill me.
But at the same time you got toknow there's just way too much
more narrative there thatthey're going to dump on you
when you get there is that theice cream truck again?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
yeah next call the sack over.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah so, anyways, but um, yeah, I mean that was my
routine.
I would watch all of thosedaytime shows and then, uh, the
soap operas will come on, youknow, in the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Well, I feel like every person that was on there,
especially if they didn't knowwhat the hell was going on like
they're all wrangled into thisbecause they want them there.
They want, you know, they wantpeople to be shocked and
appalled and there's a wholething that they try to grab
people on Right you don't know,you don't know.
But before I keep going, canyou um the other one, because
(17:27):
I'm out of drink and I want totry.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Are you just a short episode?
I just want to try.
I want to have a drink yourpuppy dog eye me for my drink
ain't you okay is it, how is itworking, and I don't want it to
get my looking, because you knowI don't want it to get warm
can't charm the snake over here.
Let's get it cold.
Let's have it while it's cold.
Okay so we're opening the Beast.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Pink Poison.
Pink Poison, pink Poison yes.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Okay, what if I do it slowly?
Okay, I'm opening it.
Lindsay, here it goes, there itis, you get to try it first.
How's that?
Is this love?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yes, try it first, how's that?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
is this love?
Yes, is this love that I'mfeeling?
Is this pink poison?
It's good that I've been.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
It does taste a little.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
It does taste a little like poison that's why I
was just saying that, oh, we'veseen bell bib devoe, that's yeah
that girl is poison.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, we had an 18 month membership at um
membership.
We had 18 month season passesat universal and during their
concert series we were like hmm,let's go check it out it was so
cool.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
That's some 90s shit too.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Hey, uh, that's some 80s shit, oh shit yeah that one
made you feel old now 80s and90s we had to take a quick break
and give our kid some ice creamtruck money.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
We heard the ice cream truck in our headphones.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
So John thinks that it's maybe someone from work or
his ex-fiance, which I thinkwould be weird, like why would
your ex be your secret admirer?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Well, I mean, you don't know Because there's a
twist always.
You don't know, Then you getthere and now you know.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
So Donna and Scott fly out separately than John and
they get on the show.
First Scott tells Jenny and theaudience a little about the
situation and then Jenny startsto pry a little bit you know
she's got to make it a littlemore edgy and a little more
steamy and ask Scott if he's hadany fantasies about Jonathan.
(19:36):
And Scott goes into a littledetail involving a little
romantic dinner with somechampagne and a hammock
situation, things like that, youknow.
And this made me think why doesromance on TV or movies,
especially back in those times,involve champagne Like the
shit's gross, unless it's mixed?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
with some juice.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
I don't like it either, unless it's mixed with
some juice, and you call it amimosa.
It's all right.
It's all right then, but Istill would rather have Bloody
Marys.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I don't feel any more bougie than a Bloody Mary.
Right, I love those.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Now when I go stay the night with my bestie Erin
Russell in Jacksonville, she hastaken us to this one place a
couple of times.
They've closed now and that'ssad, but they had like
bottomless mimosas and they hadall different flavors.
They had like it was a Hawaiiantheme restaurant.
Oh wow, yeah, they had Hawaiianthemed food, I think.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I remember you telling me about that.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
And they had Hawaiian themed mimosas and there was
one called Cherry Bomb.
Oh my God, like there was allkind of other cool ones called
the Mermaid and had cute littlenames, but Cherry Bomb was the
tits, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I mean, if I would have been there with y'all,
which I'd have been the turd inthe punch bowl, yeah it was
girl's day, yeah.
I would have damn sure triedthem all.
Yeah, we did, we tried, wellwould have damn sure tried them
all.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, we did, we tried.
Um well, I would start off witha bloody mary and then I would
have like three mimosas, becauseyou order the bottomless mimosa
with your food and you can geta bloody mary.
And then we got differentflavors and they make them in
little cute, little cocktailglasses.
Fifth, wheel.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
You'd have to put me in a different seat somewhere,
like you have to sit over herein this other booth you got over
there, you got to go, andyou're pointing like in the very
back corner of the fuckingrestaurant.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
And you're just like watching us the fifth wheel seat
.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I can't even hear you talking from here.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
But that place had some good food I'd still go and
some good mimosas.
But anyways champagne isoverrated, I guess it's's me in
the spot.
Well, I'm just, I'm still inchampagne.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Maybe it's just because of the name.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I'm sorry.
Go ahead, Lindsay.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Maybe it's just because champagne has a fancy,
is a fancy name.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You feel fancy, you feel bougie, I'm having
champagne.
I don't know if I can do it.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
My favorite champagne reference is so God, god, why
can't I think of his?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
name?
I don't know, but I'm hearingyou hold on who is our tall who?
Speaker 1 (22:07):
oh my god, why can't I think of his name?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
give me just a second .
I said too much.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I've said it all give me just a second, because my
perimenopause is kicking in andI cannot remember names right
now of somebody that.
I absolutely love and adore,but I'm only thinking of his
stage, his character name.
Oh my God, I can't think.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I'm sorry.
Can I finish this, though?
I think I thought I saw you try.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Jeff goldblum was on.
He had a series.
He had an arc on will and grace, like jeff goldblum.
I love jeff goldblum, but hehad an arc on will and grace
named scott willie.
Yes, it was.
It was scott willie and umwe're dying.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Lindsey's is like a mess and I'm over here just
trying to sing anyway.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
so he's he's in love with karen.
At first he hates her and he'strying to like like, totally,
like, fucking, uh, sabotage her,but then will like makes him
realize that he's actually inlove with her.
So then he's like, oh, I wantto get her and I want to take
her on a dinner you know howJeff Goldblum is with his hands
(23:25):
and he's like and some champagne, champagne, champagne.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
You know we have such a great time watching those
late night shows and she's likeI want to watch some Will and
Grace and I'm like okay, andthen I'm like hooked.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I want to check into it.
I want to do it with jojo,though, because she has watched
every episode as much as I haveI mean collectively.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I've probably watched everything twice with you yeah,
we've watched it probably 15times.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, no, I'll claim two, but I died.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I died so many cold times, oh yes.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
That is one of the funniest shows to have ever been
had and the short old man.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Who is it?
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Leslie Jordan.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Leslie Jordan RIP.
He got us through our.
I just love him to death.
Oh my God, he's just so amazing.
He'd be like well shit.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
What are y'all doing during?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
the pandemic.
Well, he'd be like well, shit,what are y'all doing during?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
the pandemic.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Well shit, what are y'all?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
doing.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
We watched all that.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Every day.
I just love him to death.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
He got us through the pandemic.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
He was cool and his name was Beverly Leslie.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
On fucking Will and Grace, he just showed up with
all the coolness who pretendedto be straight, but he was
definitely good.
My business associate, benji,and I remember like after years,
will was like it's just weirdto me that you're still calling
him your business associate, butanyway.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I love that kind of comedy, we'll get back to the
story.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
So Jonathan gets called out by Jenny Jones to
meet his secret admirer and atfirst he sees Donna and he gives
her a hug and a kiss and thinksmaybe it's her, but then finds
out it's actually Scott and hegives Scott a hug too.
But it's it's, you can tell.
I watched the whole.
I watched the show.
Um, it's a little uncomfortable.
(25:13):
Oh so then, of course, you knowyou gotta make it steamy, you
gotta make it controversial, yougot to do all the things.
Jenny plays back some of thefantasy reel and which I'm
telling you was not really a bigdeal, it was nothing too
embarrassing, and in fact youcan tell that Scott really
wasn't even comfortable sayingthose type of things, but Jenny
(25:35):
kept pushing it.
You know you got to make itjuicy, got to make it juicy.
Well, jonathan pushing it.
You know we gotta make it juicy, gotta make it juicy.
Well, jonathan says you knowwhat?
I'm very flattered, but I amheterosexual and you know I'm
sorry.
So everyone seemed to be in goodspirits, they're laughing,
they're having a good time onstage, and then, after the show
(25:56):
was taped, the three of themdonna, jonathan and scott they
go out for drinks and it saidthat scott and jonathan even
danced together and allegedlyshared a kiss.
Wow so.
And then they all flew backhome together, like donna and
scott changed their flights tofly back home with jonathan,
(26:16):
like it was all you.
You know, three friends havinga good time.
It was all Gucci.
It was all Gucci, right.
And when they got home theywent out drinking again together
the next night.
But then he, jonathan, goes hometo his parents and tells them
about the show, and tells himthat he was devastated about
(26:37):
what happened Really.
Yeah, him that he wasdevastated about what happened
really, yeah, and all that hecould imagine was like was like
his gran, his granny, hisgrandma watching this and, you
know, thinking that he was gayand he didn't like that.
So here's a little backgroundon jonathan.
Uh, he was born on july 18th in1970 and he was one of five
(26:58):
kids.
So see, see, him and Scott hadsome shit in common there.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Big family.
John was one of six.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Uh, or, I'm sorry.
Scott was one of six.
Jonathan was one of five.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Was he the youngest?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
It did not say that he was the youngest, but it just
said he was one of five in myresearch and Jonathan was known
for being on the sensitive side,a little bit of an outcast.
And after high school he wentto college but dropped out like
after two weeks and then hemoved back home and he got a job
waiting tables.
In 1994, this was a year beforethe taping he was diagnosed
(27:32):
with manic depression and hadsuicidal tendencies and had
actually attempted suicide threetimes.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Oh, so he's a little messed up, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
He drank to cope with the depression and that became
a daily habit.
So he became an alcoholic andthen he was also diagnosed with
Graves disease, which is anautoimmune disease and it causes
hyperthyroidism autoimmunedisease and it causes
hyperthyroidism.
(28:01):
I have a family member that wasvery close to my heart, who
actually passed away from thisat a very young age.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I've heard of it too.
She was 21 years old.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yes, and it can cause serious health problems, like I
said, even death if not treatedproperly.
Right, that's just horrible.
So Jonathan had struggled withkeeping a job but finally found
one that he liked at a placecalled Fox and Hound, where he
moved up from busboy to waiter,and that's where he was working
(28:30):
at the time of the show.
So two days after the show hetells his parents, like I said,
that he was devastated and hereceives a love letter from
Scott.
And then something in Jonathansnapped.
Jonathan went to the bank, hegot some money out, he purchased
a gun and went to Scott's houseCome on now.
(28:54):
He sits in his car for a whileand then he goes to knock on the
door.
He leaves the gun in the car.
At this point, okay, scott'sroommate, gary, answered and
said that Scott was shaving andJonathan, like went right on in
and confronted Scott about theletter.
Now, later on it was said thatScott smirked, but he probably
(29:16):
just kind of smiled.
Like I said, it is alleged thatthey had a moment after the
show, right.
Then Jonathan was like I needto shut off the car.
So he goes out to the car.
No, and this time he grabs thegun, he goes back to the house
and he knocks again and thistime Scott answers the door and
(29:36):
Jonathan is pointing the shotgunright at him.
A fucking shotgun, lindsayShotgun.
And Scott yells to Gary, he'sgot a gun, he's going to shoot
me.
And then Jonathan shot himtwice in the chest.
The fuck, right in front, rightin front of Gary, like right in
front of Gary.
(29:56):
And then Jonathan takes off.
Well, gary calls1 and Scottlived, oh, for just a few more
minutes, but then was deadbefore the ambulance could
arrive.
Now, jonathan, he leaves and hedrives straight to a pay phone
and he also calls 9-1-1 andadmits to the shooting and on
(30:19):
the 9-1-1 call he I shot thisguy who wanted to put me on the
Jenny Jones show.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Like it was all his idea.
I don't think it really was hisidea to begin with.
I think she was trying to justget him on there to see what was
going to come of it.
Well, on mixed signals and it'slike poor emotional
communication.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Okay, so I researched some Google stuff and then I
actually found the or found acourt TV documentary on this.
It's like 45 minutes long, andDonna later on on the stand says
that Scott and her talked aboutit together.
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Okay, Because Donna was and they.
Neither one of them knew himvery well.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Oh yeah, okay, Um, because Donna was, and they
neither one of them knew himvery well, knew Jonathan very
well they didn't know that hewas.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I mean, I mean emotionally distraught and yeah,
and, and he was just goingalong with it to be you, can't?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
you gotta be you gotta express things Right Right
, express things Right Right offrip and you know what's crazy
and don't go along with itbecause it seems like he's just
kind of gone along with it alittle bit and gave him a little
bit of this and some signs andsignals, and it's weird too,
because I listened to a coupleof other podcasters who cover
this and they one podcasterwould say you watch the show and
(31:34):
you don't see any anger fromJonathan whatsoever on the show.
And that's what I got Like whenI watched it.
It looked like it was alllighthearted and fun, but then
some were like you can see thathe's uncomfortable and angry.
I didn't see that when Iwatched the show.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I had to see it.
Yeah, you'll have to.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
You'll have to look at it.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Some people, some people have their own mannerisms
and and I feel like he was justtrying to be like this good guy
, but he was all turmoil.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
He was turmoil but, like I said, scott and Donna
didn't know that about him.
They didn't know his previoushistory, they couldn't see the
signs because it was like softmannerisms and they didn't catch
it.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
You know, if you and I like, sometimes we'll go to
some drag shows or whatever youknow we'll do some things.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
We enjoy gay bars.
We enjoy the gay scene.
I get hit on while I'm therebut I let them know.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Like you know, I'm just here.
Y'all do whatever.
You can dance with my wife ifyou want to have fun, you know,
because I'll pay them to go outthere and shake their ass and do
crazy stuff and Blast.
Yeah, I have a blast An absoluteblast, but I like, I don't,
like I'm not being overassertive with it, right, but I
(32:41):
just let them know, hey, I'mwith my wife and they're cool
with it, yeah, and that's.
That's pretty much it andnobody pushes anything further.
No, you know, but I definitelyhave been hit on several times
and I don't.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I'm with my wife and I women and I just politely
decline.
I've never in my head been like, yeah, well, I'm gonna go kill
this motherfucker.
That's my, that's my easy wayout, you know, with my wife and
you know we're we're having fun.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I mean, if you watch us for a couple minutes, I mean
you mean he's having?
A fun time joking and we canclearly see that we're together
the four women that I have beenhit on.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I am flattered like thank you, I love you and I
appreciate you.
But I am very straight, but Ilove you nonetheless you know.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Thank you so much, and it's never been a problem
but it's a a common way tocommunicate with people and just
let them know not aggressivebut assertive where you just
like.
Here's my stance, right, youknow?
Yeah, and he didn't know how toget to that, probably, and he
was just holding it in, but hewas also kind of going with the
flow on their little thing.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Maybe he's enjoying the company and it was going to
air in two weeks and I don'tknow.
I think honestly, I think hewas just more scared of what his
family was gonna think.
I don't think that he caredhimself, but when he got back
and it like after the good timeswere over and he sat down and
thought about what his familymight think.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
That's what drove him to it, so maybe he was.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
that's my that's my personal opinion.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Maybe he was kind of on the fence on it a little bit,
but he was disgusted at himselfbecause he would let everybody
else down if he actually turnedRight.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Well, I mean because just me down if you actually
turn right, whatever.
Well, I mean because just me.
You know, being raisedconservative christian and I'm
I'm absolutely not now like Ibelieve in god, and that's as
far as it goes.
I used to fear the same thingthat if I didn't act a certain
way or be a certain way, that Iwas going to let my family down.
And now I'm like you know what,I'm still a good person, I love
them, but what they think of meis not, I don't really care
(34:42):
maybe, maybe he should haveaccepted that wave and wrote it.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
You know, I'm saying because they were both available
and they they.
You know, if you're at thepoint where you're just like and
scott was a really on this andI want to just go try it out,
right?
Hey, so what if you did it?
So what?
You know, nobody at this pointin in time now, nobody would
judge you either way, but backthen maybe so yeah, it was still
the 90s we weren't quite.
(35:07):
We weren't quite where we aretoday oh, we had that whole aids
fucking push thing.
You know where everybody waslike all these homosexuals.
Well, that was mostly in the80s.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Well, it's just right before that, when that one kid
oh, I wish I could remember hisname right now contracted the
disease through a bloodtransfusion.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
And then it was a little wake-up.
They were like, oh, you can getthis shit anywhere.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
You can get this and not be gay, right, right.
And then Eazy-E died from it.
Yeah, and you know so.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah.
But now you can take a pillthat they probably had designed
back then, but they wasn't goingto sell you that shit no.
Fucking bastards.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Well, jonathan was arrested and charged with first
degree murder and using afirearm.
He told the police that theidea of that episode airing on
TV filled him with regret,anxiety and dread and had been
eating away from him for thelast two days.
The show, like I said just acouple minutes ago, the show was
set to air two weeks after thetaping and he had been on a
(36:04):
drinking binge because he wasembarrassed and this overwhelmed
him.
And then the love letter madehim snap.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
This is what he told the police.
But why play on the fence Right?
Don't fucking go near the fence.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
And don't give Scott Mick signal If you're not fence
worthy.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
don't get near the bitch.
You know what I'm saying.
But he was playing on the fence, Exactly.
He was showing too many coolsignals and that's why he got
the letter.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
You know, fuck that dude, like just be assertive.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
And I mean he did exactly what you should have
done on the show.
He was like I'm flattered butI'm heterosexual as sexual, but
then afterwards you give Scottmixed signals.
So that's why Scott gives you alove letter.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Right, bro.
Yeah, going out with him twiceand then hanging out like that
You're showing and made surethat him and Donna flew home
together with him Right.
So three times.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
So now, of course, the Jenny Jones show is getting
all the blame, and Jenny Jonesmade a statement herself saying
that no one was to blame but theshooter himself, and I agree
with that he pulled the trigger.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Now, all the way down to him actually physically
pulling that trigger, he put thebullet in it, you know now, the
show would never actually airanywhere but the courtroom, but
of course, like I said, you canwatch that clip on youtube.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, that's cool.
Well, it's all over, it's allover youtube.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yeah, you can find.
You can find there's littlemini docs.
And then, like I said, Iwatched those mini docs and the
court tv doc because so Iwatched.
I watched jonathan's reactionsover and over and like tried to
analyze it myself and I'm like Ijust don't see where this dude
was mad.
Really, yeah, I can't wait tosee that I want to.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I want to analyze it myself and I'm like I just don't
see where this dude was mad,really.
Yeah, I can't wait to see that.
I want to.
I want to break it down myselffor myself.
Yeah, you know, yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
I'll pull it up after we're done and have we have
some dinner, because it's notlong at all and there's, like I
said, you can watch like a 15minute one.
So, of course, now Again.
But I mean, this was actuallybefore the horrific Matthew
Shepard case that had me cryingthe whole episode.
The gay panic defense was usedin this case and that definitely
(38:06):
upset the gay community and gayrights activists.
How is this man revealing acrush so absolutely disgusting
and vile that you have to killover it?
You know.
Yes, and like I I said, if awoman okay so if a woman had
done the same thing to jonathan,revealed that she had a crush
and you weren't really into her,like what if it had been donna
(38:27):
and you weren't into her?
And then went out and shared adance and allegedly kissed, and
then she writes you a quirkylittle love note are you, you
going to blow her ass up too.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
You're going to plug her in the chest with a shotgun,
a little scatter.
Gun her ass too.
Fuck what the hell?
No, he wouldn't have?
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Of course not Because that was accepted, right?
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, fuck, dude, be assertive with your stuff a
little bit more.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
So the prosecution said, hey, this was planned out,
this was premeditated murder,murder.
You went to the bank, youbought the gun, you drove to
scott's house and then initiallyleft the gun in the car and
went back and got it before youkilled scott and so I agree, I
definitely agree with theprosecution here and of course
(39:10):
the defense said it was jennyjones fault.
And then they used the gay panicdefense, no, and also brought
in jonathan's poor mental health.
And that part I can get onboard with, because the dude had
some shit.
He had some bad mental healthissues.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
And go on.
But, jonathan, why didn't?
Speaker 1 (39:27):
you just say like you did on the show hey Scott, I'm
sorry if I led you on, but I'mnot down with this, and Scott
would still be alive right now,and you know his family For no
fucking reason, no reason.
So on November 13th 1996,Jonathan Schmitz was found
guilty of second degree murder,and that I don't understand.
(39:49):
No, I don't understand why itwasn't first.
And on December 4th, Jonathanwas sentenced to 25 to 50 years.
Now Jonathan appeals this onthe grounds of a jury selection
error, and there was this wholenew trial over this in 1999, but
the outcome was still the sameand after serving 18 years,
(40:11):
Jonathan was released in Augustof 2017.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
And he's walking on sunshine.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
He's walking on sun.
He's probably not walking onsunshine, but he's walking
amongst us.
He is no longer.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
He is out in amongst us.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
And has been for how long ago?
And it feels like yesterday.
That was like eight years agofor sure, oh my god for sure.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Like I'm over counting on my fingers, I just
clutched my imaginary pearls.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah, oh now.
The amateur family sued theJenny Jones show and was
initially awarded with $25million.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Really.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
But the show appealed and the ruling was overturned
and the Amateur family neverreceived a dime from the Jenny
Jones show, which, in my opinion, they really didn't do anything
.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
They should have just .
Speaker 1 (41:02):
But they should have volunteered some money.
I mean, that was a big show forfuneral expenses, yes to be,
the bigger person, you got themoney, you got the money.
This tragedy was that, like abcor some shit.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
What was that?
On what network was that?
Speaker 1 (41:16):
oh, I don't remember.
Yeah, they had nbc, I want tosay nbc they had money no warner
brothers, that warner brotherhad money.
Yes, that was it.
Yeah, I just remembered nowbecause they sued Warner.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Brothers, Throw them a cool million and just be like
we're sorry, but we're sorrythat this happened.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
It could have been prevented.
We did not air the episode inhonor of your family, but here's
money to help you cope withthis tragedy that happened
because of this topic.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
They could have talked about that.
You know, this is the thing wedid not air, but we, we, we took
care of this and Jenny did, shedid.
I remember.
I remember seeing it when I wasyounger.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
I remember watching her whole statement.
But I was too young to like.
I was 95.
I was what?
13.
Yeah, I was too young for thatto like.
Sink into my brain, you know,but I remember that whole.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
If I would have ran that show, I would have still
aired it and then build it upand got all kind of cool ratings
.
I would have been that shitty.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah, I would have been that shitty.
Yeah, that's shitty, bruh.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Well, that's I mean.
But I'm not going to be thatperson because I don't.
You know, I don't bait uppeople to do things like that,
but if I was already doing that,I would have damn sure jumped
on that.
Does that make sense, like ifI'm already?
Speaker 3 (42:33):
allowed to.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Oh, ok.
Well, I mean, yeah, if you'reallowed to, you know you're
allowed to.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
But I mean because it was evidence.
Yeah, you know, it's consideredevidence True.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
And I know that's shitty of me, but like if I was
already in the middle of doingthat, I would have tried to
figure a way out.
I mean that's, that's kind of ashitty thing for me to say yeah
.
Yeah, because yeah I mean atthe same time.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Well, that was, that was where shows like that were
problematic.
Yeah, they were doing becausethere was a lot of people like I
would watch all the time thatyou know, like on Jerry.
Now a lot of that shit wasfight, but you can tell some of
those people were really fuckinghurt.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Really hurt, Even though it was like the fighting
and stuff was kind of stage OK.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
So what I?
Ok, I have watched several ofthose shows where the person who
is being confronted with aproblem it wasn't necessarily on
Jerry, it was probably onGordon Elliott or Sally Jesse
Raphael, because that was thetwo I watched the most Right
when the person would just walkoff stage.
And not come back and not comeback, and that's what Jonathan
should have done had he reallyfelt that uncomfortable and that
(43:36):
embarrassed about it.
I feel like that's what heshould have done.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
I'll have to see because, like he said that he's,
I'm hetero.
I'm the bigger person, I'm notgoing to hang out with you two
again, so here's a challenge forour audience.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Just look up Jenny Jones murder.
You can literally look up onYouTube.
Or Scott Amateur on Jenny Jonesshow on YouTube.
You guys watch it and leave inthe comment section, or whatever
platform you listen to.
There is a comment section.
Tell us what you think.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yeah, and I will too.
Yes, for sure, I will come back.
I love replying and stuff likethat.
Yes, you just to see thatfeedback and all that.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Yeah, tell us what you think, what did you think
that Jonathan was OK with it andthen when he got back, it set
in and then it just like maybemade him upset to what his
family may think.
Or do you think that that wasjust his reaction because he was
on the show?
Speaker 2 (44:33):
because, like I said, I had to see his mannerisms, I
don't know yeah yeah, um, Ithink you'll agree with me, but
if you don't, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Right, but me personally, if I had been a part
of that where I felt ambushedor anything like that because
that's what the defense wasgoing for that he was ambushed
If I had felt ambushed, I wouldhave been like you know what.
I'm really not comfortable.
I'm just going to go ahead andgo off the stage.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Well, there's so many mannerisms that come in there,
like can you shrug yourshoulders?
You're kind of like doing thiswhole thing.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
No, he looked it looked very lighthearted and
sweet, but, like I said, we'llwatch it and you tell me what
you think.
So that's the whole story.
That's the story.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
That's so horrific, Lindsay, but I'm going to go
ahead and give you this.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Because thank you for spreading the word and share
your feelings.
Scott did not deserve to die.
Period.
Be assertive about your personyourself, you know to other
people.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
And, like I said, I don't think this is still going
Go ahead, okay.
I don't think that Scott waswrong or pushy for sending a
Jonathan a love letter becausehe had allegedly from several
sources I read they had theyshared a moment after the show
and if he felt that there wassomething there, that's why he
(45:51):
wrote that love letter to him,you know.
And if he hadn't have felt that, I don't think he would have.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
There were some signs there.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
So before we plug this week's band, you're going
to open up this one, the GnarlyGrapey.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
It's Gnarly Grape Well well, that's why I said
grapey, because I'm going gnarlygrapey gnarly grapey heard.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Gnarly grape is the flavor and we've ran the train.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
We got one more.
We're gonna we're gonna drinkthat later because she loves
these, I think.
Thank you, I do like it.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Um, I have quite quite a nice little buzz set in
here you like, you the beastie,this is cool, try this.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Uh, everybody, it's kind of cool.
Monster, I'm not.
I don't feel like I'm geeking,like, uh, energy wise, I'm not
like no, no, no, it's so cooland it's a good flavor on all
three of them so far, and we gotone more later on, so I'm gonna
sippy poos organic reactionhere sippy poos gnarly grape.
Sippy, give me a minute, let meget it in.
Let me get it.
Ooh, is it?
Speaker 1 (46:47):
nice.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Lindsay, lindsay, alright hold on.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Ooh, it tastes like Welch's Ooh child.
Things are gonna get easier.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Oh my god, I just went complete nostalgia right
now.
We went back to the 80s on thatbitch.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Great Welch's grape soda was the only one that I
would ever buy from a vendingmachine, so it's not really
seltzer-y, though, but theflavor itself is very good.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
So if you had some of that with some of your little
seltzer drink over there thatyou got the cans of.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yeah, we should do that.
We should make a cocktail.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
That will give you your Give an extra.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yes, that one's my favorite.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
This, that and some vodka.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yep, oh God, then we're walking on sunshine.
Whoa.
No, we still have to warm upour leftovers from last night.
I made some banging asscarnitas.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
It was so good.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
And we made quesadillas with it and some
Spanish rice and we've gotleftovers.
I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
We're going to do the damn thing.
What else did you?
What was you going to say?
You was going to finishsomething up, brother, you said
before I do this, I'm going todo this and no, we were going to
do that and I said before youplug the band, which is oh, a
band that's what?
Speaker 1 (47:52):
what band are you playing today?
Some?
Speaker 2 (47:54):
music.
This is my thing, right, I'mallowed to do this thing.
Yes, that's on the bands out ofmiami here called seven sins
and this song is called Born toDie.
Sorry, I mean Jesse has no ideawhat I'm going to jump on him.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
The bands tell me what they want to play, and
that's okay.
It's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Seven Sins is cool.
Yes, so we're going to playsome Seven Sins, so check this
stuff out.
We'll be right back.
This is the end of the show.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
I never just take a drive, I don't give a fuck and
(48:57):
you might not Be gone.
Gone, gone, gone.
There's nothing you can say.
There's nothing I can see.
There's nothing you can try.
Don't change my mind.
Fly away.
(49:20):
Don't make it all this time.
I need to buy away, away fromall this hate.
I can take a look through yourlife.
(49:45):
There is no other place to seeyour life.
There are people who want tolive or die.
(50:08):
Thank you, I'm far away.
The magic of this game.
I need to fly away Away fromall this hate, thank you.
(50:34):
I was born to die.
I was born to die.
I was born to die.
I was born to die.
(50:59):
Guitar solo here I await Allthis pain.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Fly away, run off In vain.
Fly away All this pain.
Fly away, run off this land.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
This is so good, awesome dude.
Oh man Hit up Dino from FearFactory all day long.
It was so good.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
You know what I love Fear Factory, but I think I love
this band better and if youguys want to follow them on
instagram, their handle is sevensins, miami and um, yeah,
that's.
Uh.
I already went and followedthem on our instagram we love
you guys.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
This is like the coolest song, yes, and all the
cool breaks, the cool breaks,like it was four minutes and it
was just like uh, uh, here comesa cool change.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
We want to see you guys at a show.
Here comes some more.
We want to see you guys at afestival, yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Come on up this way or we'll go down Shit.
I'm ready, absolutely.
That was awesome.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
So good.
I was like am.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
I going post hardcore , I'm going on.
This is hardcore.
This is like the old school,like it has that good shit, but
it's new shit, love it.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Yeah, love it so much .
We love, we love discoveringnew music.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
I'm so glad that we're on this journey.
I want to see them on Octanetoo.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Yes, yes, you deserve it.
You guys are next.
A manifest For you guys.
Yes, absolutely yeah, but wewant to absolutely plug our West
Memphis three.
Make sure you are followingthis case and do what you can to
help out.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
To get justice for, first of all, the three young
boys that were killed, and wehave no idea who did it, and
nobody is paying for it.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
They deserve it.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
And then the three gentlemen now that are in their
late 40s, 50s, early 50s.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
Yeah, that paid the price for this and spent 18
years in prison, and one of them, damien Echols, spent 18 years
on death row for this crime thatthey did not commit all because
they liked Metallica and woreblack clothing.
They deserve justice for sure,Everybody in that situation
deserves justice.
I want to plug JenniferTurpin's Dawn's designs, Cause
(54:12):
that's her middle name, JenniferDawn Turpin.
She's got Dawn's designs.
You can find her on Instagramand look, she's got jewelry and
hoodies and all kinds of cutethings.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
All kinds of cute things and, uh, yeah, support,
support support, support, allthe support, and I would love to
see Eddie Vedder pop into thisthing again.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Eddie Vedder is the coolest.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
And can you believe the shit that happened in our
own town the other day?
Speaker 1 (54:40):
It was like Thursday, that was yesterday.
Was it Thursday or Wednesday?
I?
Speaker 2 (54:45):
don't know, wednesday afternoon, yeah, no, no.
No, that was yesterday.
Was it Thursday or Wednesday?
I don't know.
Wednesday afternoon, yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
No, no, no, it was Thursday.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Because when I came, into work yesterday.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
No, I'm sorry, thursday.
Yeah, when I came into workThursday, that was two days ago.
We're recording this on aSaturday Right.
One of my coworkers wasaffiliated with what happened.
Go ahead and talk about it.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
Was it?
Were they MS-13?
Do we know?
Okay, I'm not 100% sure, but Idid hear it is speculated.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Yeah, that Okay.
So I work at a restaurant thatis very close to where this
happened.
This happened at an Arby's inour town.
Yeah, and three assailants, isthat what you want to call them?
Yes, came into Arby's and justfucking open, fired.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
Had beef with one of the dudes.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
One of the dudes.
An innocent another person gotshot innocently and I have not
heard of a fatality quite yet.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
Yeah, I don't know.
I haven't looked back into it.
It's just insane.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
And then somebody I work with was affiliated with
the person who got shot.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Drive-thru only here.
Drive-thru only.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
Yes, I mean these three young kids just went into
Arby's from Jacksonville.
Speaker 3 (55:58):
They were from.
Speaker 1 (55:58):
Jacksonville to our Arby's here in Lake City and
just opened fire yeah.
And they just speculated thatit is gang affiliated.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
I'm scrolling on Facebook and see the dude laying
on the ground bleeding.
Oh, stop it.
Yeah, like it's just bam bam.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
Could you imagine?
Social media and everythingjust travels so fast.
Speaker 2 (56:17):
You're in drive-thru or you're in the lobby at Ardy's
and you become a part of thisIf I'm in drive-thru.
I'm bucking, I'm talking, I'mtalking dry absolute heinous
crime, literally heinous crime.
Speaker 1 (56:28):
Yeah, I just thought of law and order.
Yeah, that's crazy, though Justyou never know when, when it's
so scary and that is so close towhere I work, like I literally
walk into work at three o'clockon Thursday afternoon and I hear
all this bullshit.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
Yeah.
And like I said, no, this guythis guy comes up and he's like
look at this, and it's likesomebody laying on the floor,
yeah, and it's like he's like hejust went down at Arby's and it
was like, probably withinseconds later.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
You know it was like, but anyhow we'll give you all a
updates on that when we getthem.
At right now, like, the onlypeople that are um have been
named is the assailants but yeah, we don't know anything about
the victims.
We'll let you guys know, but umfollow us on all the things,
all the things listening.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
We love you hope you had a great fourth bye.
Hey Jesse, hey Lindsey, what are you drinking
today?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I got adventurous, you did.
I'm an adventurer.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I see that.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yeah, monster made this alcohol stuff called the
Beast.
Uh-huh, and I'm going to runthe whole train on all four
flavors.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Okay, what flavor is that?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Killer Sunshine.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Ooh, can I taste a sip?
No, yeah, I will taste a soap.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
No, yeah, I will, I'll let you.
You puckered your lip dude Me,me, me, me, me, me, me, me.
No, I wanted to be adventurous.
Hopefully it don't geek me uptoo much.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Well, I checked there's no caffeine content.
Okay, I checked, but it is 6%alcohol, whereas my vista bay is
five and you're on the vistabay this.
Today I have the lemon lime.
I'm about out.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So good we had to make a good, I don't know
anything about beast, though.
The beast, the beast.
I'm gonna unleash the beast,kill the beast.
Let's kill the beast, let'swatch that shit.
Yes, I'm breaking it open.
What are we drinking about,lenzardo, over there?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
we are drinking about .
All right this.
So this will be our um wrap upon our lgbtq series.
Um for the end of pride.
This will come out technicallyon July 4th.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Happy 4th of July, so happy 4th of.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
July.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, we will be Try that Is it good, try it, try it.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
That is good.
I want to try that pink onethough.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
We're going to run them all.
Yeah, we're running them alltoday.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Running them all.
Anyways, this is our last casefor this pride month, um, and
we're going to be talking abouta gentleman named scott amador.
Amateur, something like that.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Amateur we'll go with amateur and we gotta.
I have to believe you because Idon't know.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I know so, before we get to all that, what made you
feel old this week?
me yeah oh, I thought oh whoelse am I talking to audience?
What made you feel old thisweek?
I mean, they can't answer meback, so yeah, they can, if they
get on our stuff if you want tomessage us on Instagram or
(02:20):
through a email drink aboutsomething, pod on the Gmail,
drinkaboutsomething on theInstagram, or you can just go to
our website,drinkaboutsomethingsite, and
follow us on all the things andsend us a message about what
made you feel old, but anyways.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
But I'm asking you, jesse Sambaugh, I mean, I had it
, I had it earlier and it waslike on a random Tuesday of this
week.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
It came to me, yeah, but I forgot.
Oh, so maybe that makes me feelold, how's that?
No, like I mean, okay, so bodyailments and all that stuff we
always talk about, well, I do,you know for sure.
Now, memory, music, things ofthe past, just pulling up the
(03:10):
spots like we did today, yeah,and we're like I remember coming
here before, like anything wasdeveloped.
You know, right, I went to aspring today which florida has
the most amazing springs in theworld, like yeah, this one is
now a state park called LittleRiver Springs State Park.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I think so.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
And I used to go there and skinny dip at night
and build fires down there onthe bank and just hang out all
night long and just party and dowhatever Like when I was like
16, you know it was like thething to do, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And it's a great little place.
It's literally a little springthat goes to the, that is
connected to the swanee yeah,it's a cool little little spot.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, I just remember going back, so that kind of
makes me feel old yeah and we'vegot our grandchildren now and
that's wild, yeah, yeah I'm likeyou see that spot right over
there.
I used to swim naked right overthere and late at night, like
we never do anything other thanjust swim around naked.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
That's still weird and very dangerous because there
is a lot of gaitas.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, one of them, largemouth, might have grabbed
my wing, wow yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I mean not in the spring part.
The spring part is prettyshallow.
There ain't really noreptilians hanging out in that
part and there's a really coolcave and we were talking about
how there used to be a oldpetrified tree in that cave and
it's not there anymore.
They moved it that must havebeen part of the steak part
thing and they found a woollymammoth in there.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, that was cool.
So that kind of makes me feelold.
Yeah, what about you?
Your turn?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
so that bruise.
So two weeks ago we were atRoyal Springs.
We like to spring hop duringthe summertime and, yeah, I
acquired a bruise and it's stillthere.
Still a big old hunk of fleshthat is bruised swollen two
(05:00):
weeks later.
So yeah, that's that whole.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Thing.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, that whole.
Thing.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I like lifted up my leg, thinking that I was.
I was going to show somebody,but you already seen it.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, that would definitely, just looking at
something you're like, thiswould have healed up so much
faster.
You know, I'm getting old.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I don't know.
I've always had an issue withbruises just hanging out.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
for a long time you got bruises just hanging out for
a long time you got the randombruises all the time I am part
of the random the mystery bruisebruise club, yes, but this
one's your own ass at night.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
This one's not a mystery.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I know where it came from and it hurt very badly so,
like two o'clock in the morning,I'm gonna wake up and just
watch you beat your own ass yeah, what are you?
Doing?
I'm whipping my own ass.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Absolutely so.
With all of that being said, ifyou are new here, what we do is
we have a couple of drinks, we,or I, unload a true crime story
onto Jesse, so, and most of thetime like like ninety nine
(06:03):
point nine, nine percent of thetime he has no idea what I'm
going to dump on him.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
She also lets me know how old I am every single week.
Yeah, lindsay, thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
So we talk about the true crime and at the end of the
episode we plug a band thatJesse has sought out and got
permission to play on our podpermission to play on our pod.
And you put notes on my notesthat, OMG, Aurora Wave is going
to be on Octane.
That's exciting With our boyJose Jose Megan, middle investor
(06:37):
man.
Middle investor Megan.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Devils Dozer.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Maybe they will make it to the Devils.
You can't do it.
I can't do it either.
Lindsay, You're over therecoughing.
She's such a metalhead.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I try so hard, scream , and it seems like the more
that I practice, the less.
Like I can't even do vocal fryanymore.
You can't, no.
Since we quit smokingcigarettes I can't do vocal fry
anymore more.
You can't, no, since we quitsmoking cigarettes I can't do
vocal fry anymore.
Nope, because my octaves werejust not made for metal.
I don't know what it is well,and it sucks, but our boy landon
(07:13):
, yeah, he's in there, ginger inup, ginger in up, yeah
yesterday I was in the kitchengetting uh food preps for our
dinner and for the river.
Today he was.
He always he cleans thebathroom, he cleans their
bathroom on Fridays and healways plays music and we jam
out.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
But he was like he's been really practicing his
growls and dirty vocals, thetransition in between that and
clean, though he's got to workon, but he's getting it.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
And I'm teaching somebody how to scream too at
the same time.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
He found a coach on Instagram Insta coach, insta it.
Yeah, oh yeah and.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I'm teaching somebody how to scream too.
At the same time, he found acoach on Instagram yeah, yeah,
insta coach, insta coach, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
But anyways, so yeah.
What was your favorite daytimetrash TV talk show in the 90s?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Before I do that.
I just wanted to do this realquick because we forgot the
intro.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Happy Friday, happy this real quick because uh, we
forgot the intro.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Happy friday.
Oh my god, we are old.
We forgot the intro song.
It's okay, it's okay.
I'll just repeat the questionwhen the intro song is done.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
You had a question there.
What was you saying, lizzie,before I interrupted you?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
All right, so what was your favorite daytime trash
TV talk show in the 90s?
Like one you would have watchedwhen you stayed home from
school sick or when we had aholiday.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I mean, we watched a shitload of Jerry Springer.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I'm talking about daytime, jerry Springer was
afternoon after we got offschool.
Oh wasn't it?
I don't remember watching itwhen I got off school.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I don't know.
That's about the only one I canbring up, though, because I
didn't watch a lot of that shit,you know.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
OK, so Jerry Springer , all right.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
So, jerry, lot of that shit you know okay, so
jerry springer was it all right.
So jerry springer was known forhaving like insane fights,
controversial things and but itwas, it was it was.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It was kind of staged , oh for sure, but so is most of
all entertainment.
Yeah, a lot of them were not.
So in the 90s, if you uh, ifyou weren't there, if you did
not grow up in our time period,we had many varieties of daytime
talk shows, like Ricky Lake,sally Jesse, raphael, montel,
williams, gordon Elliott, whichwas my favorite because he was
Australian.
I loved him.
(09:35):
He might have been British, Idon't know, but I remember him
being very Australian.
Then we had Mari, who was givenout all the DNA tests.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
And then I remember all that.
I thought all that was aroundthe same time as jerry, I don't
know it is I'm getting there,and jenny jones and then, of
course, jerry springer.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
These talk shows would have all kinds of topics
like teenagers gone bad.
I'm an exotic dancer and myhusband doesn't know.
My best friend needs a makeoveror I'm sleeping with my best
friend's husband.
Is it my baby or?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
not Right the whole thing.
Yeah, who the daddy, who thedaddy is.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
And, like I was saying, a lot of these shows
were staged, but some wereorganic and some of the subjects
had no idea what was about tobe told to them when they were
called on the stage by the talkshow host, Like come on out.
Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
We're going to fly you to Colorado.
You can come hang out, bro.
We're going to put you on TV.
Now.
They won't tell you what thehell's going on.
Yeah, like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
And people lived for this drama and we talked about
it all the time, even as youngkids Like we would go sally
jesse or um jenny jones the daybefore, or montel williams, all
of that ricky lake I neverwatched a lot of ricky lake on
her talk show but I love rickylake movies.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I don't remember watching a lot of it.
I'm I'm sure I've seen it all Imean I've seen it all you know.
It's just I didn't fix it onany of that.
I mean, if I sculled across,then I would be like, well,
you're a dude, but us chicks wewere fucking watching that shit.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So if you watch the movie Hope Floats with Sandra
Bullock, it opens up and that'show the movie starts with.
Her best friend brought her ona Ricky Lake-esque talk show to
let her know that she had beensleeping with her husband and
they were in love.
Who brings?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
their best friend.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, yeah, she thought she was going on there
to get a makeover and her bestfriend tells her I've been
sleeping with your husband,we're in love and fuck you.
Now you're a single mom.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Bye, so yeah, it's horrible.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
It's absolutely horrible.
So the person I'm talking abouttoday, his name is Scott Amador
, and he loved these daytimetalk shows and he was a
bartender at night.
So but before we get into allthat, let's talk about who Scott
was.
So Scott Bernard Amador wasborn on January 26th 1963, frank
(12:05):
Amadur and Patricia Graves inPittsburgh, pennsylvania.
Are we going to Pittsburgh?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Close.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Close Ish, yeah, we're doing a whole New England
trip.
You guys will definitely begoing along with us and we'll
save most of the cool spots as asurprise, because we're going
to have some content as we go upthere.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well, on our way back , we have some time, so we may,
but we may not, and there's somecool spots that I really want
to go, since we'll have time, ohyeah.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Okay, I was just asking because I know we will be
in Pennsylvania, but anyway.
So Scott was the youngest ofsix children.
That's got to be, it's got tobe hard.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
The youngest of six.
Yeah, and your parents areolder, so it's kind of like, ah
damn kids.
I'm done raising many of them.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I know it's like at that point you let your kids
raise your kids yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You just old and wore out with kids.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
So Frank and Patricia divorced and later moved to
Lake Michigan I think it wasLake, lake Orion.
So Scott had quit school whenhe was 17, but he joined the Air
Force right away, like rightout of his you know.
So I didn't even know you coulddo that.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
At 17 in the 90s.
It was just the 90s, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
No, that would have been the early 80s.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, I thought you had to be 18 as well.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
But I mean, and he quit school.
I thought you had to have likeeducation.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Maybe he was At least high school diploma.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
But maybe that was before all of that.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Maybe he was like emancipated or something, or he
just.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
No, it doesn't say.
It didn't say that in myresearch, right, who knows?
In satellite communications,wow.
So with the Air Force he wentto Germany and he learned how to
ski and unfortunately had anaccident and broke his leg.
Oh shit, yeah, fucking skiing'scool until that happens.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
It was Sonny that died from a skiing accident.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Oh yeah, Bono.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, sonny died from skiing.
We miss him In a weird way.
We loved him.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, in a weird way, but we love to share more.
At the end of his four years,scott decided he did not want to
re-enlist because he was gayand he wanted to be able to live
his life out of the closet.
And we didn't have the don'task, don't tell at that point.
Okay, so he was honorablydischarged and continued to work
(14:28):
in communications until hedecided bartending was a better
fit for him.
He was a really friendly personand he loved the nightlife and
he had a couple of failedrelationships and got really
close with a woman named Donnathat lived near him.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
By the way, that's my favorite bartenders.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Oh, me too.
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
It is so fun.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
It's like the greatest time.
I just want to hang out andbullshit.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Because they're friendly and they're talkative
and they hook your drinks up,yeah, and like I love it, it's
cool.
So one day he went over to gosee Donna and she had a friend
named Jonathan Schmitz over whowas working on her car, and
Scott was instantly attractedbut a little nervous about
telling him about his feelingsbecause he wasn't sure.
(15:17):
Now, jonathan had previouslystated that he had been
questioned about his sexualitybut never said that he was gay.
But he was questioned if he wasgay, Right.
Well, donna or Scott, I'veheard.
Both were watching Jenny Jonesshow and they were looking for
guests for an upcoming episodewith the topic revealing same
(15:41):
sex crushes.
So either Donna or Scott calledin and there was an application
and it was accepted and theywere going to be on the show and
Scott would admit to Jonathanthat he was crushing on him.
And this was 1995, by the way.
Jonathan also gets the callfrom the Jenny Jones show or the
Jenny Jones team to tell himthe details.
(16:03):
They tell him that his secretadmirer could be a man or a
woman and at first Jonathan saidno, but curiosity got the best
of him and he finally agreed.
And to be honest, afterwatching way too many of those
shows myself.
Personally, I would have saidno, because it's just quite
(16:24):
intimidating.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Sounds like a trap.
Yeah, you're just like I don'tknow what they're fixing to dump
me off into right.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
because, because I watched that shit like if I was
out of school or, uh yeah, if Ihad the day off from school or I
was home sick.
That was just my routine yeah Iwould watch all the daytime
talk shows curiosity.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
That would kill me.
But at the same time you got toknow there's just way too much
more narrative there thatthey're going to dump on you
when you get there is that theice cream truck again?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
yeah next call the sack over.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah so, anyways, but um, yeah, I mean that was my
routine.
I would watch all of thosedaytime shows and then, uh, the
soap operas will come on, youknow, in the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Well, I feel like every person that was on there,
especially if they didn't knowwhat the hell was going on like
they're all wrangled into thisbecause they want them there.
They want, you know, they wantpeople to be shocked and
appalled and there's a wholething that they try to grab
people on Right you don't know,you don't know.
But before I keep going, canyou um the other one, because
(17:27):
I'm out of drink and I want totry.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Are you just a short episode?
I just want to try.
I want to have a drink yourpuppy dog eye me for my drink
ain't you okay is it, how is itworking, and I don't want it to
get my looking, because you knowI don't want it to get warm
can't charm the snake over here.
Let's get it cold.
Let's have it while it's cold.
Okay so we're opening the Beast.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Pink Poison.
Pink Poison, pink Poison yes.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Okay, what if I do it slowly?
Okay, I'm opening it.
Lindsay, here it goes, there itis, you get to try it first.
How's that?
Is this love?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yes, try it first, how's that?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
is this love?
Yes, is this love that I'mfeeling?
Is this pink poison?
It's good that I've been.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
It does taste a little.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
It does taste a little like poison that's why I
was just saying that, oh, we'veseen bell bib devoe, that's yeah
that girl is poison.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, we had an 18 month membership at um
membership.
We had 18 month season passesat universal and during their
concert series we were like hmm,let's go check it out it was so
cool.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
That's some 90s shit too.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Hey, uh, that's some 80s shit, oh shit yeah that one
made you feel old now 80s and90s we had to take a quick break
and give our kid some ice creamtruck money.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
We heard the ice cream truck in our headphones.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
So John thinks that it's maybe someone from work or
his ex-fiance, which I thinkwould be weird, like why would
your ex be your secret admirer?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Well, I mean, you don't know Because there's a
twist always.
You don't know, Then you getthere and now you know.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
So Donna and Scott fly out separately than John and
they get on the show.
First Scott tells Jenny and theaudience a little about the
situation and then Jenny startsto pry a little bit you know
she's got to make it a littlemore edgy and a little more
steamy and ask Scott if he's hadany fantasies about Jonathan.
(19:36):
And Scott goes into a littledetail involving a little
romantic dinner with somechampagne and a hammock
situation, things like that, youknow.
And this made me think why doesromance on TV or movies,
especially back in those times,involve champagne Like the
shit's gross, unless it's mixed?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
with some juice.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
I don't like it either, unless it's mixed with
some juice, and you call it amimosa.
It's all right.
It's all right then, but Istill would rather have Bloody
Marys.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I don't feel any more bougie than a Bloody Mary.
Right, I love those.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Now when I go stay the night with my bestie Erin
Russell in Jacksonville, she hastaken us to this one place a
couple of times.
They've closed now and that'ssad, but they had like
bottomless mimosas and they hadall different flavors.
They had like it was a Hawaiiantheme restaurant.
Oh wow, yeah, they had Hawaiianthemed food, I think.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I remember you telling me about that.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
And they had Hawaiian themed mimosas and there was
one called Cherry Bomb.
Oh my God, like there was allkind of other cool ones called
the Mermaid and had cute littlenames, but Cherry Bomb was the
tits, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I mean, if I would have been there with y'all,
which I'd have been the turd inthe punch bowl, yeah it was
girl's day, yeah.
I would have damn sure triedthem all.
Yeah, we did, we tried, wellwould have damn sure tried them
all.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, we did, we tried.
Um well, I would start off witha bloody mary and then I would
have like three mimosas, becauseyou order the bottomless mimosa
with your food and you can geta bloody mary.
And then we got differentflavors and they make them in
little cute, little cocktailglasses.
Fifth, wheel.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
You'd have to put me in a different seat somewhere,
like you have to sit over herein this other booth you got over
there, you got to go, andyou're pointing like in the very
back corner of the fuckingrestaurant.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
And you're just like watching us the fifth wheel seat
.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I can't even hear you talking from here.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
But that place had some good food I'd still go and
some good mimosas.
But anyways champagne isoverrated, I guess it's's me in
the spot.
Well, I'm just, I'm still inchampagne.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Maybe it's just because of the name.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I'm sorry.
Go ahead, Lindsay.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Maybe it's just because champagne has a fancy,
is a fancy name.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You feel fancy, you feel bougie, I'm having
champagne.
I don't know if I can do it.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
My favorite champagne reference is so God, god, why
can't I think of his?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
name?
I don't know, but I'm hearingyou hold on who is our tall who?
Speaker 1 (22:07):
oh my god, why can't I think of his name?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
give me just a second .
I said too much.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I've said it all give me just a second, because my
perimenopause is kicking in andI cannot remember names right
now of somebody that.
I absolutely love and adore,but I'm only thinking of his
stage, his character name.
Oh my God, I can't think.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I'm sorry.
Can I finish this, though?
I think I thought I saw you try.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Jeff goldblum was on.
He had a series.
He had an arc on will and grace, like jeff goldblum.
I love jeff goldblum, but hehad an arc on will and grace
named scott willie.
Yes, it was.
It was scott willie and umwe're dying.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Lindsey's is like a mess and I'm over here just
trying to sing anyway.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
so he's he's in love with karen.
At first he hates her and he'strying to like like, totally,
like, fucking, uh, sabotage her,but then will like makes him
realize that he's actually inlove with her.
So then he's like, oh, I wantto get her and I want to take
her on a dinner you know howJeff Goldblum is with his hands
(23:25):
and he's like and some champagne, champagne, champagne.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
You know we have such a great time watching those
late night shows and she's likeI want to watch some Will and
Grace and I'm like okay, andthen I'm like hooked.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I want to check into it.
I want to do it with jojo,though, because she has watched
every episode as much as I haveI mean collectively.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I've probably watched everything twice with you yeah,
we've watched it probably 15times.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, no, I'll claim two, but I died.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I died so many cold times, oh yes.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
That is one of the funniest shows to have ever been
had and the short old man.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Who is it?
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Leslie Jordan.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Leslie Jordan RIP.
He got us through our.
I just love him to death.
Oh my God, he's just so amazing.
He'd be like well shit.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
What are y'all doing during?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
the pandemic.
Well, he'd be like well, shit,what are y'all doing during?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
the pandemic.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Well shit, what are y'all?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
doing.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
We watched all that.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Every day.
I just love him to death.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
He got us through the pandemic.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
He was cool and his name was Beverly Leslie.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
On fucking Will and Grace, he just showed up with
all the coolness who pretendedto be straight, but he was
definitely good.
My business associate, benji,and I remember like after years,
will was like it's just weirdto me that you're still calling
him your business associate, butanyway.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I love that kind of comedy, we'll get back to the
story.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
So Jonathan gets called out by Jenny Jones to
meet his secret admirer and atfirst he sees Donna and he gives
her a hug and a kiss and thinksmaybe it's her, but then finds
out it's actually Scott and hegives Scott a hug too.
But it's it's, you can tell.
I watched the whole.
I watched the show.
Um, it's a little uncomfortable.
(25:13):
Oh so then, of course, you knowyou gotta make it steamy, you
gotta make it controversial, yougot to do all the things.
Jenny plays back some of thefantasy reel and which I'm
telling you was not really a bigdeal, it was nothing too
embarrassing, and in fact youcan tell that Scott really
wasn't even comfortable sayingthose type of things, but Jenny
(25:35):
kept pushing it.
You know you got to make itjuicy, got to make it juicy.
Well, jonathan pushing it.
You know we gotta make it juicy, gotta make it juicy.
Well, jonathan says you knowwhat?
I'm very flattered, but I amheterosexual and you know I'm
sorry.
So everyone seemed to be in goodspirits, they're laughing,
they're having a good time onstage, and then, after the show
(25:56):
was taped, the three of themdonna, jonathan and scott they
go out for drinks and it saidthat scott and jonathan even
danced together and allegedlyshared a kiss.
Wow so.
And then they all flew backhome together, like donna and
scott changed their flights tofly back home with jonathan,
(26:16):
like it was all you.
You know, three friends havinga good time.
It was all Gucci.
It was all Gucci, right.
And when they got home theywent out drinking again together
the next night.
But then he, jonathan, goes hometo his parents and tells them
about the show, and tells himthat he was devastated about
(26:37):
what happened Really.
Yeah, him that he wasdevastated about what happened
really, yeah, and all that hecould imagine was like was like
his gran, his granny, hisgrandma watching this and, you
know, thinking that he was gayand he didn't like that.
So here's a little backgroundon jonathan.
Uh, he was born on july 18th in1970 and he was one of five
(26:58):
kids.
So see, see, him and Scott hadsome shit in common there.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Big family.
John was one of six.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Uh, or, I'm sorry.
Scott was one of six.
Jonathan was one of five.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Was he the youngest?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
It did not say that he was the youngest, but it just
said he was one of five in myresearch and Jonathan was known
for being on the sensitive side,a little bit of an outcast.
And after high school he wentto college but dropped out like
after two weeks and then hemoved back home and he got a job
waiting tables.
In 1994, this was a year beforethe taping he was diagnosed
(27:32):
with manic depression and hadsuicidal tendencies and had
actually attempted suicide threetimes.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Oh, so he's a little messed up, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
He drank to cope with the depression and that became
a daily habit.
So he became an alcoholic andthen he was also diagnosed with
Graves disease, which is anautoimmune disease and it causes
hyperthyroidism autoimmunedisease and it causes
hyperthyroidism.
(28:01):
I have a family member that wasvery close to my heart, who
actually passed away from thisat a very young age.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I've heard of it too.
She was 21 years old.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yes, and it can cause serious health problems, like I
said, even death if not treatedproperly.
Right, that's just horrible.
So Jonathan had struggled withkeeping a job but finally found
one that he liked at a placecalled Fox and Hound, where he
moved up from busboy to waiter,and that's where he was working
(28:30):
at the time of the show.
So two days after the show hetells his parents, like I said,
that he was devastated and hereceives a love letter from
Scott.
And then something in Jonathansnapped.
Jonathan went to the bank, hegot some money out, he purchased
a gun and went to Scott's houseCome on now.
(28:54):
He sits in his car for a whileand then he goes to knock on the
door.
He leaves the gun in the car.
At this point, okay, scott'sroommate, gary, answered and
said that Scott was shaving andJonathan, like went right on in
and confronted Scott about theletter.
Now, later on it was said thatScott smirked, but he probably
(29:16):
just kind of smiled.
Like I said, it is alleged thatthey had a moment after the
show, right.
Then Jonathan was like I needto shut off the car.
So he goes out to the car.
No, and this time he grabs thegun, he goes back to the house
and he knocks again and thistime Scott answers the door and
(29:36):
Jonathan is pointing the shotgunright at him.
A fucking shotgun, lindsayShotgun.
And Scott yells to Gary, he'sgot a gun, he's going to shoot
me.
And then Jonathan shot himtwice in the chest.
The fuck, right in front, rightin front of Gary, like right in
front of Gary.
(29:56):
And then Jonathan takes off.
Well, gary calls1 and Scottlived, oh, for just a few more
minutes, but then was deadbefore the ambulance could
arrive.
Now, jonathan, he leaves and hedrives straight to a pay phone
and he also calls 9-1-1 andadmits to the shooting and on
(30:19):
the 9-1-1 call he I shot thisguy who wanted to put me on the
Jenny Jones show.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Like it was all his idea.
I don't think it really was hisidea to begin with.
I think she was trying to justget him on there to see what was
going to come of it.
Well, on mixed signals and it'slike poor emotional
communication.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Okay, so I researched some Google stuff and then I
actually found the or found acourt TV documentary on this.
It's like 45 minutes long, andDonna later on on the stand says
that Scott and her talked aboutit together.
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Okay, Because Donna was and they.
Neither one of them knew himvery well.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Oh yeah, okay, Um, because Donna was, and they
neither one of them knew himvery well, knew Jonathan very
well they didn't know that hewas.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I mean, I mean emotionally distraught and yeah,
and, and he was just goingalong with it to be you, can't?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
you gotta be you gotta express things Right Right
, express things Right Right offrip and you know what's crazy
and don't go along with itbecause it seems like he's just
kind of gone along with it alittle bit and gave him a little
bit of this and some signs andsignals, and it's weird too,
because I listened to a coupleof other podcasters who cover
this and they one podcasterwould say you watch the show and
(31:34):
you don't see any anger fromJonathan whatsoever on the show.
And that's what I got Like whenI watched it.
It looked like it was alllighthearted and fun, but then
some were like you can see thathe's uncomfortable and angry.
I didn't see that when Iwatched the show.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I had to see it.
Yeah, you'll have to.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
You'll have to look at it.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Some people, some people have their own mannerisms
and and I feel like he was justtrying to be like this good guy
, but he was all turmoil.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
He was turmoil but, like I said, scott and Donna
didn't know that about him.
They didn't know his previoushistory, they couldn't see the
signs because it was like softmannerisms and they didn't catch
it.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
You know, if you and I like, sometimes we'll go to
some drag shows or whatever youknow we'll do some things.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
We enjoy gay bars.
We enjoy the gay scene.
I get hit on while I'm therebut I let them know.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Like you know, I'm just here.
Y'all do whatever.
You can dance with my wife ifyou want to have fun, you know,
because I'll pay them to go outthere and shake their ass and do
crazy stuff and Blast.
Yeah, I have a blast An absoluteblast, but I like, I don't,
like I'm not being overassertive with it, right, but I
(32:41):
just let them know, hey, I'mwith my wife and they're cool
with it, yeah, and that's.
That's pretty much it andnobody pushes anything further.
No, you know, but I definitelyhave been hit on several times
and I don't.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I'm with my wife and I women and I just politely
decline.
I've never in my head been like, yeah, well, I'm gonna go kill
this motherfucker.
That's my, that's my easy wayout, you know, with my wife and
you know we're we're having fun.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I mean, if you watch us for a couple minutes, I mean
you mean he's having?
A fun time joking and we canclearly see that we're together
the four women that I have beenhit on.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I am flattered like thank you, I love you and I
appreciate you.
But I am very straight, but Ilove you nonetheless you know.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Thank you so much, and it's never been a problem
but it's a a common way tocommunicate with people and just
let them know not aggressivebut assertive where you just
like.
Here's my stance, right, youknow?
Yeah, and he didn't know how toget to that, probably, and he
was just holding it in, but hewas also kind of going with the
flow on their little thing.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Maybe he's enjoying the company and it was going to
air in two weeks and I don'tknow.
I think honestly, I think hewas just more scared of what his
family was gonna think.
I don't think that he caredhimself, but when he got back
and it like after the good timeswere over and he sat down and
thought about what his familymight think.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
That's what drove him to it, so maybe he was.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
that's my that's my personal opinion.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Maybe he was kind of on the fence on it a little bit,
but he was disgusted at himselfbecause he would let everybody
else down if he actually turnedRight.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Well, I mean because just me down if you actually
turn right, whatever.
Well, I mean because just me.
You know, being raisedconservative christian and I'm
I'm absolutely not now like Ibelieve in god, and that's as
far as it goes.
I used to fear the same thingthat if I didn't act a certain
way or be a certain way, that Iwas going to let my family down.
And now I'm like you know what,I'm still a good person, I love
them, but what they think of meis not, I don't really care
(34:42):
maybe, maybe he should haveaccepted that wave and wrote it.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
You know, I'm saying because they were both available
and they they.
You know, if you're at thepoint where you're just like and
scott was a really on this andI want to just go try it out,
right?
Hey, so what if you did it?
So what?
You know, nobody at this pointin in time now, nobody would
judge you either way, but backthen maybe so yeah, it was still
the 90s we weren't quite.
(35:07):
We weren't quite where we aretoday oh, we had that whole aids
fucking push thing.
You know where everybody waslike all these homosexuals.
Well, that was mostly in the80s.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Well, it's just right before that, when that one kid
oh, I wish I could remember hisname right now contracted the
disease through a bloodtransfusion.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
And then it was a little wake-up.
They were like, oh, you can getthis shit anywhere.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
You can get this and not be gay, right, right.
And then Eazy-E died from it.
Yeah, and you know so.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah.
But now you can take a pillthat they probably had designed
back then, but they wasn't goingto sell you that shit no.
Fucking bastards.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Well, jonathan was arrested and charged with first
degree murder and using afirearm.
He told the police that theidea of that episode airing on
TV filled him with regret,anxiety and dread and had been
eating away from him for thelast two days.
The show, like I said just acouple minutes ago, the show was
set to air two weeks after thetaping and he had been on a
(36:04):
drinking binge because he wasembarrassed and this overwhelmed
him.
And then the love letter madehim snap.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
This is what he told the police.
But why play on the fence Right?
Don't fucking go near the fence.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
And don't give Scott Mick signal If you're not fence
worthy.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
don't get near the bitch.
You know what I'm saying.
But he was playing on the fence, Exactly.
He was showing too many coolsignals and that's why he got
the letter.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
You know, fuck that dude, like just be assertive.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
And I mean he did exactly what you should have
done on the show.
He was like I'm flattered butI'm heterosexual as sexual, but
then afterwards you give Scottmixed signals.
So that's why Scott gives you alove letter.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Right, bro.
Yeah, going out with him twiceand then hanging out like that
You're showing and made surethat him and Donna flew home
together with him Right.
So three times.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
So now, of course, the Jenny Jones show is getting
all the blame, and Jenny Jonesmade a statement herself saying
that no one was to blame but theshooter himself, and I agree
with that he pulled the trigger.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Now, all the way down to him actually physically
pulling that trigger, he put thebullet in it, you know now, the
show would never actually airanywhere but the courtroom, but
of course, like I said, you canwatch that clip on youtube.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, that's cool.
Well, it's all over, it's allover youtube.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yeah, you can find.
You can find there's littlemini docs.
And then, like I said, Iwatched those mini docs and the
court tv doc because so Iwatched.
I watched jonathan's reactionsover and over and like tried to
analyze it myself and I'm like Ijust don't see where this dude
was mad.
Really, yeah, I can't wait tosee that I want to.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I want to analyze it myself and I'm like I just don't
see where this dude was mad,really.
Yeah, I can't wait to see that.
I want to.
I want to break it down myselffor myself.
Yeah, you know, yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
I'll pull it up after we're done and have we have
some dinner, because it's notlong at all and there's, like I
said, you can watch like a 15minute one.
So, of course, now Again.
But I mean, this was actuallybefore the horrific Matthew
Shepard case that had me cryingthe whole episode.
The gay panic defense was usedin this case and that definitely
(38:06):
upset the gay community and gayrights activists.
How is this man revealing acrush so absolutely disgusting
and vile that you have to killover it?
You know.
Yes, and like I I said, if awoman okay so if a woman had
done the same thing to jonathan,revealed that she had a crush
and you weren't really into her,like what if it had been donna
(38:27):
and you weren't into her?
And then went out and shared adance and allegedly kissed, and
then she writes you a quirkylittle love note are you, you
going to blow her ass up too.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
You're going to plug her in the chest with a shotgun,
a little scatter.
Gun her ass too.
Fuck what the hell?
No, he wouldn't have?
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Of course not Because that was accepted, right?
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, fuck, dude, be assertive with your stuff a
little bit more.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
So the prosecution said, hey, this was planned out,
this was premeditated murder,murder.
You went to the bank, youbought the gun, you drove to
scott's house and then initiallyleft the gun in the car and
went back and got it before youkilled scott and so I agree, I
definitely agree with theprosecution here and of course
(39:10):
the defense said it was jennyjones fault.
And then they used the gay panicdefense, no, and also brought
in jonathan's poor mental health.
And that part I can get onboard with, because the dude had
some shit.
He had some bad mental healthissues.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
And go on.
But, jonathan, why didn't?
Speaker 1 (39:27):
you just say like you did on the show hey Scott, I'm
sorry if I led you on, but I'mnot down with this, and Scott
would still be alive right now,and you know his family For no
fucking reason, no reason.
So on November 13th 1996,Jonathan Schmitz was found
guilty of second degree murder,and that I don't understand.
(39:49):
No, I don't understand why itwasn't first.
And on December 4th, Jonathanwas sentenced to 25 to 50 years.
Now Jonathan appeals this onthe grounds of a jury selection
error, and there was this wholenew trial over this in 1999, but
the outcome was still the sameand after serving 18 years,
(40:11):
Jonathan was released in Augustof 2017.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
And he's walking on sunshine.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
He's walking on sun.
He's probably not walking onsunshine, but he's walking
amongst us.
He is no longer.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
He is out in amongst us.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
And has been for how long ago?
And it feels like yesterday.
That was like eight years agofor sure, oh my god for sure.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Like I'm over counting on my fingers, I just
clutched my imaginary pearls.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah, oh now.
The amateur family sued theJenny Jones show and was
initially awarded with $25million.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Really.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
But the show appealed and the ruling was overturned
and the Amateur family neverreceived a dime from the Jenny
Jones show, which, in my opinion, they really didn't do anything
.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
They should have just .
Speaker 1 (41:02):
But they should have volunteered some money.
I mean, that was a big show forfuneral expenses, yes to be,
the bigger person, you got themoney, you got the money.
This tragedy was that, like abcor some shit.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
What was that?
On what network was that?
Speaker 1 (41:16):
oh, I don't remember.
Yeah, they had nbc, I want tosay nbc they had money no warner
brothers, that warner brotherhad money.
Yes, that was it.
Yeah, I just remembered nowbecause they sued Warner.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Brothers, Throw them a cool million and just be like
we're sorry, but we're sorrythat this happened.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
It could have been prevented.
We did not air the episode inhonor of your family, but here's
money to help you cope withthis tragedy that happened
because of this topic.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
They could have talked about that.
You know, this is the thing wedid not air, but we, we, we took
care of this and Jenny did, shedid.
I remember.
I remember seeing it when I wasyounger.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
I remember watching her whole statement.
But I was too young to like.
I was 95.
I was what?
13.
Yeah, I was too young for thatto like.
Sink into my brain, you know,but I remember that whole.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
If I would have ran that show, I would have still
aired it and then build it upand got all kind of cool ratings
.
I would have been that shitty.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah, I would have been that shitty.
Yeah, that's shitty, bruh.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Well, that's I mean.
But I'm not going to be thatperson because I don't.
You know, I don't bait uppeople to do things like that,
but if I was already doing that,I would have damn sure jumped
on that.
Does that make sense, like ifI'm already?
Speaker 3 (42:33):
allowed to.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Oh, ok.
Well, I mean, yeah, if you'reallowed to, you know you're
allowed to.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
But I mean because it was evidence.
Yeah, you know, it's consideredevidence True.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
And I know that's shitty of me, but like if I was
already in the middle of doingthat, I would have tried to
figure a way out.
I mean that's, that's kind of ashitty thing for me to say yeah
.
Yeah, because yeah I mean atthe same time.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Well, that was, that was where shows like that were
problematic.
Yeah, they were doing becausethere was a lot of people like I
would watch all the time thatyou know, like on Jerry.
Now a lot of that shit wasfight, but you can tell some of
those people were really fuckinghurt.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Really hurt, Even though it was like the fighting
and stuff was kind of stage OK.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
So what I?
Ok, I have watched several ofthose shows where the person who
is being confronted with aproblem it wasn't necessarily on
Jerry, it was probably onGordon Elliott or Sally Jesse
Raphael, because that was thetwo I watched the most Right
when the person would just walkoff stage.
And not come back and not comeback, and that's what Jonathan
should have done had he reallyfelt that uncomfortable and that
(43:36):
embarrassed about it.
I feel like that's what heshould have done.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
I'll have to see because, like he said that he's,
I'm hetero.
I'm the bigger person, I'm notgoing to hang out with you two
again, so here's a challenge forour audience.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Just look up Jenny Jones murder.
You can literally look up onYouTube.
Or Scott Amateur on Jenny Jonesshow on YouTube.
You guys watch it and leave inthe comment section, or whatever
platform you listen to.
There is a comment section.
Tell us what you think.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yeah, and I will too.
Yes, for sure, I will come back.
I love replying and stuff likethat.
Yes, you just to see thatfeedback and all that.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Yeah, tell us what you think, what did you think
that Jonathan was OK with it andthen when he got back, it set
in and then it just like maybemade him upset to what his
family may think.
Or do you think that that wasjust his reaction because he was
on the show?
Speaker 2 (44:33):
because, like I said, I had to see his mannerisms, I
don't know yeah yeah, um, Ithink you'll agree with me, but
if you don't, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Right, but me personally, if I had been a part
of that where I felt ambushedor anything like that because
that's what the defense wasgoing for that he was ambushed
If I had felt ambushed, I wouldhave been like you know what.
I'm really not comfortable.
I'm just going to go ahead andgo off the stage.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Well, there's so many mannerisms that come in there,
like can you shrug yourshoulders?
You're kind of like doing thiswhole thing.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
No, he looked it looked very lighthearted and
sweet, but, like I said, we'llwatch it and you tell me what
you think.
So that's the whole story.
That's the story.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
That's so horrific, Lindsay, but I'm going to go
ahead and give you this.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Because thank you for spreading the word and share
your feelings.
Scott did not deserve to die.
Period.
Be assertive about your personyourself, you know to other
people.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
And, like I said, I don't think this is still going
Go ahead, okay.
I don't think that Scott waswrong or pushy for sending a
Jonathan a love letter becausehe had allegedly from several
sources I read they had theyshared a moment after the show
and if he felt that there wassomething there, that's why he
(45:51):
wrote that love letter to him,you know.
And if he hadn't have felt that, I don't think he would have.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
There were some signs there.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
So before we plug this week's band, you're going
to open up this one, the GnarlyGrapey.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
It's Gnarly Grape Well well, that's why I said
grapey, because I'm going gnarlygrapey gnarly grapey heard.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Gnarly grape is the flavor and we've ran the train.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
We got one more.
We're gonna we're gonna drinkthat later because she loves
these, I think.
Thank you, I do like it.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Um, I have quite quite a nice little buzz set in
here you like, you the beastie,this is cool, try this.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Uh, everybody, it's kind of cool.
Monster, I'm not.
I don't feel like I'm geeking,like, uh, energy wise, I'm not
like no, no, no, it's so cooland it's a good flavor on all
three of them so far, and we gotone more later on, so I'm gonna
sippy poos organic reactionhere sippy poos gnarly grape.
Sippy, give me a minute, let meget it in.
Let me get it.
Ooh, is it?
Speaker 1 (46:47):
nice.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Lindsay, lindsay, alright hold on.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Ooh, it tastes like Welch's Ooh child.
Things are gonna get easier.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Oh my god, I just went complete nostalgia right
now.
We went back to the 80s on thatbitch.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Great Welch's grape soda was the only one that I
would ever buy from a vendingmachine, so it's not really
seltzer-y, though, but theflavor itself is very good.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
So if you had some of that with some of your little
seltzer drink over there thatyou got the cans of.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yeah, we should do that.
We should make a cocktail.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
That will give you your Give an extra.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yes, that one's my favorite.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
This, that and some vodka.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yep, oh God, then we're walking on sunshine.
Whoa.
No, we still have to warm upour leftovers from last night.
I made some banging asscarnitas.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
It was so good.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
And we made quesadillas with it and some
Spanish rice and we've gotleftovers.
I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
We're going to do the damn thing.
What else did you?
What was you going to say?
You was going to finishsomething up, brother, you said
before I do this, I'm going todo this and no, we were going to
do that and I said before youplug the band, which is oh, a
band that's what?
Speaker 1 (47:52):
what band are you playing today?
Some?
Speaker 2 (47:54):
music.
This is my thing, right, I'mallowed to do this thing.
Yes, that's on the bands out ofmiami here called seven sins
and this song is called Born toDie.
Sorry, I mean Jesse has no ideawhat I'm going to jump on him.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
The bands tell me what they want to play, and
that's okay.
It's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Seven Sins is cool.
Yes, so we're going to playsome Seven Sins, so check this
stuff out.
We'll be right back.
This is the end of the show.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
I never just take a drive, I don't give a fuck and
(48:57):
you might not Be gone.
Gone, gone, gone.
There's nothing you can say.
There's nothing I can see.
There's nothing you can try.
Don't change my mind.
Fly away.
(49:20):
Don't make it all this time.
I need to buy away, away fromall this hate.
I can take a look through yourlife.
(49:45):
There is no other place to seeyour life.
There are people who want tolive or die.
(50:08):
Thank you, I'm far away.
The magic of this game.
I need to fly away Away fromall this hate, thank you.
(50:34):
I was born to die.
I was born to die.
I was born to die.
I was born to die.
(50:59):
Guitar solo here I await Allthis pain.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Fly away, run off In vain.
Fly away All this pain.
Fly away, run off this land.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
This is so good, awesome dude.
Oh man Hit up Dino from FearFactory all day long.
It was so good.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
You know what I love Fear Factory, but I think I love
this band better and if youguys want to follow them on
instagram, their handle is sevensins, miami and um, yeah,
that's.
Uh.
I already went and followedthem on our instagram we love
you guys.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
This is like the coolest song, yes, and all the
cool breaks, the cool breaks,like it was four minutes and it
was just like uh, uh, here comesa cool change.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
We want to see you guys at a show.
Here comes some more.
We want to see you guys at afestival, yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Come on up this way or we'll go down Shit.
I'm ready, absolutely.
That was awesome.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
So good.
I was like am.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
I going post hardcore , I'm going on.
This is hardcore.
This is like the old school,like it has that good shit, but
it's new shit, love it.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Yeah, love it so much .
We love, we love discoveringnew music.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
I'm so glad that we're on this journey.
I want to see them on Octanetoo.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Yes, yes, you deserve it.
You guys are next.
A manifest For you guys.
Yes, absolutely yeah, but wewant to absolutely plug our West
Memphis three.
Make sure you are followingthis case and do what you can to
help out.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
To get justice for, first of all, the three young
boys that were killed, and wehave no idea who did it, and
nobody is paying for it.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
They deserve it.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
And then the three gentlemen now that are in their
late 40s, 50s, early 50s.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
Yeah, that paid the price for this and spent 18
years in prison, and one of them, damien Echols, spent 18 years
on death row for this crime thatthey did not commit all because
they liked Metallica and woreblack clothing.
They deserve justice for sure,Everybody in that situation
deserves justice.
I want to plug JenniferTurpin's Dawn's designs, Cause
(54:12):
that's her middle name, JenniferDawn Turpin.
She's got Dawn's designs.
You can find her on Instagramand look, she's got jewelry and
hoodies and all kinds of cutethings.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
All kinds of cute things and, uh, yeah, support,
support support, support, allthe support, and I would love to
see Eddie Vedder pop into thisthing again.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Eddie Vedder is the coolest.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
And can you believe the shit that happened in our
own town the other day?
Speaker 1 (54:40):
It was like Thursday, that was yesterday.
Was it Thursday or Wednesday?
I?
Speaker 2 (54:45):
don't know, wednesday afternoon, yeah, no, no.
No, that was yesterday.
Was it Thursday or Wednesday?
I don't know.
Wednesday afternoon, yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
No, no, no, it was Thursday.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Because when I came, into work yesterday.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
No, I'm sorry, thursday.
Yeah, when I came into workThursday, that was two days ago.
We're recording this on aSaturday Right.
One of my coworkers wasaffiliated with what happened.
Go ahead and talk about it.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
Was it?
Were they MS-13?
Do we know?
Okay, I'm not 100% sure, but Idid hear it is speculated.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Yeah, that Okay.
So I work at a restaurant thatis very close to where this
happened.
This happened at an Arby's inour town.
Yeah, and three assailants, isthat what you want to call them?
Yes, came into Arby's and justfucking open, fired.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
Had beef with one of the dudes.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
One of the dudes.
An innocent another person gotshot innocently and I have not
heard of a fatality quite yet.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
Yeah, I don't know.
I haven't looked back into it.
It's just insane.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
And then somebody I work with was affiliated with
the person who got shot.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Drive-thru only here.
Drive-thru only.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
Yes, I mean these three young kids just went into
Arby's from Jacksonville.
Speaker 3 (55:58):
They were from.
Speaker 1 (55:58):
Jacksonville to our Arby's here in Lake City and
just opened fire yeah.
And they just speculated thatit is gang affiliated.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
I'm scrolling on Facebook and see the dude laying
on the ground bleeding.
Oh, stop it.
Yeah, like it's just bam bam.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
Could you imagine?
Social media and everythingjust travels so fast.
Speaker 2 (56:17):
You're in drive-thru or you're in the lobby at Ardy's
and you become a part of thisIf I'm in drive-thru.
I'm bucking, I'm talking, I'mtalking dry absolute heinous
crime, literally heinous crime.
Speaker 1 (56:28):
Yeah, I just thought of law and order.
Yeah, that's crazy, though Justyou never know when, when it's
so scary and that is so close towhere I work, like I literally
walk into work at three o'clockon Thursday afternoon and I hear
all this bullshit.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
Yeah.
And like I said, no, this guythis guy comes up and he's like
look at this, and it's likesomebody laying on the floor,
yeah, and it's like he's like hejust went down at Arby's and it
was like, probably withinseconds later.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
You know it was like, but anyhow we'll give you all a
updates on that when we getthem.
At right now, like, the onlypeople that are um have been
named is the assailants but yeah, we don't know anything about
the victims.
We'll let you guys know, but umfollow us on all the things,
all the things listening.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
We love you hope you had a great fourth bye.
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