EPISODE 38: JIMBA the young cult leader JIM JONES PART 1

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, jesse.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Hello.

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Lindsay, what are you drinking today?
A?

Speaker 2 (00:08):
little bit of Bloody Mary leftover and I'm gonna go
ham today, cause today is theday it is.
I'm drinking Sprite, oh nice,oh, no 7-Up 7-Up.
Cause I don't never buy 7-Up.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
And Bloody Mary, it's zero sugar, seven up.
Zero sugar for your health.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm going fucking ham today, I'm going ham.
Ham.
What are you drinking?

Speaker 1 (00:35):
I am.
I've got a Bloody Mary with abackup white claw.
Mixture of the mango and peach.
Remember, I don't like themango, but if I mix the mango
with the peach it is perfectionand it's very, very, very crispy
.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I busted the seal on this here.
Zero proof, zero sugar, zeroalcohol.
Seven up.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Well, you have a Bloody Mary that I lovingly made
you, along with fantastic bagelbreakfast sandwiches this
morning.
So good, I've been cravingbagels so much lately.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Oh my God, it was so good.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
And I was like I'm going to make sandwiches.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Lindsay makes the best breakfast bagels ever.
They are the best they are.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Breakfast bagels Yep.
I don't know why I'm wanting tosing everything today.
What are we doing hereels?
Yep.
I don't know why I'm wanting tosing everything today.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
What are we doing?

Speaker 1 (01:25):
here, probably just because I really want my life to
be a musical.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Okay, so so in talk it's always sing to song talk If
there is a heaven.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
I will go there and my life will be a musical.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
So the good place.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Well, the good place had kind of had twists and turns
.
I don't know if I want to go tothe good place.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
The bad place trying to be the good place.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
And then there was the mid place.
I don't know, I don't know, youkeep falling asleep watching
that show.
I've been watching the show thegood place.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I've only, like, collectively watched 30 minutes
of all of it.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Thank you, Aaron Russell, for your
recommendations, and watchingTed Danson in another series is
cool.
I love Ted Danson man.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
He's cool.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
He'll never be what.
I mean, I don't know, he'llnever be as cool as Cheers Ted
Danson, but he's pretty close ina good place.
Yeah, cheers.
Ted Danson was top tier Anyhow.
What made you feel old thisweek?

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, I have no idea how much I dread it.
I hate it.
It's the worst part of thiswhole damn thing.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
You can make it be a positive thing.
He's like you know what thatdid make me feel old, but I'm
kind of glad that happened.
You can make it a positiveexperience, like I've done that
in the past.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
It doesn't always have to be negative but that's
what sticks, because I mean, Ipainted our bathroom in the
middle of the week and thatkicked my ass like the next day.
Why painting all the taping andall the work and all that you
know but you know somebody's gotto do it.
You was like putting it on, webought it over here.
We'll do it, we'll do it.
Oh, we'll do it then.

(03:07):
Oh, we'll do it.
No.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
I literally said two weeks ago that we were going to
do it today.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
And then you just went ahead and did it, Cause you
were like I got to get it done.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
I've been waiting at it.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
I was going to surprise you with doing it and I
did it and it did me Justpainting.
And then I went to work and Iwas by myself all week.
So we just kicked my ass thewhole week at work, kicked my
ass Then the holiday andeverybody trying to get all
their shit together.
Yeah, that made me feel old.
Just simple little thing.

(03:43):
Well, I had like three hotflashes while we were at the
Springs yesterday.
Yeah, you were in and out.
You're like, look at all thetube I'm burning up.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yes, and it wasn't just like it was hot outside,
don't get me wrong, but this,like heat, happens from the
inside.
Yeah, so, and I had to.
I was like you, what?

Speaker 2 (04:06):
just let me get getting this cold water, and it
felt so much better is it almostlike we're like you're having
like a sickness, but it goesaway real fast.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
You know, you like you have those cold chills and
then hot inside of you, likewhen it's different because,
like, when you get those chillswhen you're sick, it's like
painful and you just want tocurl up in a blanket and go to
sleep.
You don't want to do that whenyou're having a hot flash.
You want to go to the nearestcooler or water or something.

(04:36):
You know what I mean Somethingthat's going to cool you off
instantly so it's completelydifferent.
Yeah, but you know what it'spart of life and it's we're.
Yeah, but you know what it'spart of life and it's we're here
you know what?

Speaker 2 (04:49):
I support you, Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
I induced one the other day by eating some
Nashville hot sauce with mygrilled chicken at work.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
You ate some food and it gave you a hot flat, oh yeah
, I listened.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
My whole T-zone area was beaded with sweat in the top
of my lip.
That's never happened before.
You know me like when I eatsomething spicy, like it'll make
my eyes water before it makesme do anything else.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
The tip of the tongue , the teeth, the lips, the tip
of the tongue, the teeth, thelips.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
But that Nashville hot, and it's never done that
until this past week gave me thecomplete sweats.
But you know what I ate?
Some more again the next day.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Because that, until this past week, gave me the
complete sweats.
But you know what?
I ate some more again the nextday because that shit is so good
did you want to see if it'sgoing to happen again too, it
did it did.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Do you have to let it linger?
I'm going back, dude.
This hot, this, this hot flashwas so good.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
I'm going back so I apologize real quick.
We got a new tablet and we'redoing new audio stuff right now
and hopefully everything turnedout well.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
We thank you so much for following us thus far.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Thus far, we're fixing to get on to our most
epicness.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, so roll that intro.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I think it's going to be our most, most epicness.
Yeah, so journey with us andhappy Friday everybody.
Happy Friday.
I feel like I'm riding like acarriage and we're on our way to

(06:30):
kill vampires with that song,while doing disco Like mariachi
disco.
Does that make sense?
No, I don't know.
I'm hearing all that.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, I kind of just pictured that whole scenario in
my head right then.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
So the carriage is kicking ass.
It's like you know set way back, probably like 1600s or some
shit, but the carriage has discolights, panels like on the
floor flashing, you know.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
I don't know if I want to kill vampires, though I
kind of want to be one.
I mean, we are vampires, butwe're vampires going to kill
vampires want to be like avampire, witch, werewolf, hybrid
oh god yeah, that's too I readabout one of those and I
remember into it during thepandemic when I got into reading
where there's a word for that.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
There's a name for that.
What is that?
Not a liking lala lalapus?
I don't know what is that word.
Were you like a liking vampire?

Speaker 1 (07:26):
I like vampwich.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
I like vampwich.
Yeah, I don't know, butremember, in 2021, I got into
reading the vampire novelsbecause there was just not a lot
to do, and suddenly theystarted coming up in my news
feeds, these books, and I wouldread like one a day.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
It was insane.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
But anyway.
Well, who was it that came back?
That was the vampire in DC.
Was it DC?
No, it was Marvel.
He was the vampire that cameback.
That was the Blade, yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Blade came back, Wesley Snipes came back and I
was like that was one of myfavorite vampires.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
The vigilante vampire with the fucking sword, and the
whole theater stood up andcheered.
It was amazing.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Well, that needs to come back.
That is what okay.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
So you know a lot of people have gotten away from
going to movie theaters, butthat is experience that you'll
never get at home unless you'vegot 40 people watching the same
movie with you.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, the stranger camaraderie, everybody just gets
together on something.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
It makes it way better Everybody's like woohoo.
Yeah, that was great.
That was the most epic.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Moment Wesley pops up , all old and gray and like I'm
here to kick ass.
And he kicked ass.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
And then, of course, chris Evans played you know
who's also Cats of America alsoplayed Johnny Flame and also
played Johnny Flame and he cameback and he didn't last long.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
He was one of the many, yeah, in the multiverse,
but that was that was great.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yes, that was a great film.
So before we get off into ourtopic today, if you are new here
, what we do is we have a coupleof drinks.
I tell Jesse a true crime storythat I've been wanting to get
off my chest to him, that hedoesn't know about.
This one today he knows alittle bit about, but most of

(09:10):
the time I shock and I awe himor I make him want to go into a
corner and cry or die.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
So I've watched a few documentaries and things about
it.
So you're going to bring upthings that are going to trigger
my mind.
Be like yes.
I remember this.
I remember that I'm excited torevisit this horrific-ass,
fucking human being.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, at the end of each episode we also plug a band
that Jesse has sought out andgotten permission to play, and
sometimes they've sought him out.
So yeah, it's been a cooljourney with the band.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
We have found some cool-ass fucking music here, and
some of them are fixing to befamous and we're on episode like
what 30, something?

Speaker 1 (09:46):
now you guys 37.
Yeah, I believe Seven or eight,whatever We've got plenty of
content for you to take a fewroad trips or listen while
you're cleaning, cooking, doinglaundry, exercising.
We want to be in your ears.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Maybe this is the weekend our first episode will
break 100 downloads.
It was at 99 last time I looked99.
Start from the first and thenmeet us here.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
And meet us here.
But so today and for the nextprobably three weeks, if not
four, we will be talking aboutJim.
Jones, in the name of Jesus andthe Flavor Aid.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Oh God, the Flavor Aid, the Flavor Aid.
Everybody confuses that withGatorade.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
He wasn't cool enough to have Kool-Aid, kool-aid yeah
, that's what it was Flavor Aid.
But that is quite a longjourney from where we're going
to start.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Lindsay, you would have shit if I would have had
some flavor aid over here mixedup and drinking it.
I got flavor aid.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
dude, you should do that for the last part, this is
going to be a short episode.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
This is going to be a long episode.
Y'all strap in.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
This is going to be a long three to four episodes
because there's a lot ofinformation about this guy that
I feel I should uh put out there, if it's not already known, and
okay.
So jim jones is quite a fine,uh, finest, it's quite a fine.
This nine famous, it's quite afamous name and most people know

(11:23):
what happened because of jim,but not everyone knows all the
details and where it started.
And, listeners, if you haven'theard this case before, buckle
up.
It's a lot.
James warren jones was born may13th 1931 to jamesurman Jones

(11:44):
and Lynette Putnam Jones.
Now Lynette was born Lunette,then she changed her name to
Lynette and then she changed hername again to Lynetta, but
we're going to call it, we'rejust going to say Lynette,
because all of that's confusingfor me.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, that's a big net.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, so he was born in the rural community of Crete,
Indiana.
Big Jim was the son of a Quakerand had been a road worker who
went off to fight in World WarOne.
Jim had not been a veryambitious man and did everything
a little later in life thanmost did in that time period.

(12:20):
He was 30 years old when heenlisted in the military.
I mean, most do that like what?
18, 17, 18?
.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
That's a hell of a war to take on at 30.
God.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Well, he was sent to the front lines in France and he
was caught in a German gasattack which would give him
respiratory problems for therest of his life.
He couldn't really carry on afull conversation because of
this respiratory issue and had avery raspy voice, so he just

(12:50):
didn't talk much.
He was shipped back home andreceived a disabled veteran
pension which was about $30 amonth, so that still, even in
those days, wasn't enough tolive on.
Because that's what?
A dollar a day?
Yeah, that's fucking wild,isn't it.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
I'm looking at you like how in the hell can you get
even over DoorDash for thatshit?

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Well, OK, so $30 was in.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Ok, we're going to say Jim Little Jim was born in
31.
So we're going to say this wasmid twenties.
Okay, so gas was probably likea quarter $30 was equal to about
400 a month in today's spendingpower Isn't that wild.
But that's still not enough tolive off of.
So he, uh, he had to go back andwork.

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On the road cruise he alsodeveloped rheumatism which would
require him to take off workfrequently.
Then he met Lynette Putnam, whowas quite the character.
Okay, she was a rebel, shesmoked in public, she wore pants
.
She wore pants, Jesse in the20s.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
I know I'm clutching my pearls, I know, and she
cussed like a sailor Woo Inpublic.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
That's things that ladies just didn't do in those
days.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Off-hinged flapper.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yes, she was also somewhere between 15 and 17
years younger than Big Jim.
Wow, lynette had been married Iwrote twice before, but it was
actually three times but reallywanted someone, and she was only
.
So this bitch was married anddivorced like Every other year

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Before she met Big Jim.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
And still young yes, she was only like 23 Running
amok.
She was looking for a come up.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yes, she was.
I'm about to talk about that.
She really wanted someone totake care of her, where she
maybe could become a proper lady, and big jim's family was a
prominent one, but she didn'tget exactly what she expected.
Now, big jim's father did getthem a house, but it was on a
farm in crete and quakers.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
They build everything yes, so they have stuff but,
but they build it.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
And that farm had to be worked and Big Jim physically
couldn't meet the demands offarm work.
I mean, he was, you know, outof breath all the time.
And this farm requiredharvesting of soybeans and corn,
along with raising andslaughtering and selling pigs,
and neither one of them were cutout for this type of work.
And Big Jim's health declined,like it just kept declining, it

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never got better, it just keptgoing downhill, and he could no
longer work on road crews norhelp out on the farm.
And then little Jimmy Jones, orJimba as Lynette would call him
, was born in 1931.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
So when he was born did they hold him up and put a
little mark on his forehead andsay Jimba, jimba.
So Jimba.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
It's the circle circle of life.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
I'm just picturing it the whole time, I know Jim
Jones.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
In Modern Family.
Oh, my God, you haven't watchedthat show with me.
But the gay couple Cam andmitchell they're my favorite.
They, when they adopt theirdaughter, cam insists on doing
that with their baby, likethat's how they present their
baby to the family.
It's so amazing.
So did the mitchell's like no,no.

(16:38):
And then here comes cam withthe music playing in the
background, and then they havelike slide above.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
So so I mean, how do they take care of their pride?

Speaker 1 (16:48):
rock there, lindsey oh, okay, so that's a long way
from now okay so big jim'sfamily uh, helped him get a home
, and in lynn, indiana, becausethey couldn't do that farm in
Crete.
Okay, and the family toldLynette, hey, we're going to

(17:10):
help you out, but only untillittle Jimba, until he starts
school, and then you'll have togo get a job when Jimba starts
first grade.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
You're fucking killing me with this Jimba shit
dude.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
That's what he was called.
I'm going to call him threedifferent names.
So this is first grade.
You're fucking killing me with.
That's what he was called.
So that's what I'm gonna callhim three different names.
So this is childhood.
Jim jones, okay, jim jim.
So when jimba started firstgrade, lynette found factory
work to keep the family afloatand lynette swore that her
in-laws hated her, but theyactually admired her and her
quirky personality andeverything that the family did

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for them was completely out ofrespect, not pity.
They seen that.
You know, lynette was ahard-working little spit fire.
And then they knew that big jimhad been, you know,
unfortunately and unfairlyinjured in war.
You know they weren't beingshit.
Yeah, I mean, chemical warfareis horrific she will forever and
ever, till the day she dies,says that big Big Jim's family

(18:06):
were just asshole pieces of shitthat treated her like shit.
But they actually didn't.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Right.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
They pretty much supported her.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Well, she had to try to adapt to the lifestyle you
know.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Right.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
And I bet little Jimba was like oh, I just can't
wait to be king.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Oh God, oh God.
I don't even know where to gofor that.
I'll just wait for you.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
We're going to send him off and let him learn how to
say Hakuna Matata.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
This is fucked up, lindsay.
So Lynn, indiana, was the townarea near where the Crete farm
town was.
They had certain days foreverything Wednesdays were movie
nights, saturdays were forshopping and Sundays were for
church.
There were, I think, threedenominations, major

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denominations there Quaker,nazarene and Methodist.
They did not compete with eachother and on major holidays they
would actually all gathertogether and give speeches on
how to live right and stay onthe narrow path.
And there were a lot of men'ssocial clubs like the Masons and
the Kai Kai Kai.
Oh, to this day I think itstill has the largest population

(19:19):
of that organization.
Indiana period.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
And Indiana has, like , got a lot of Klansmans, wow
yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
And there was one lady, though Her name was Myrtle
Kennedy, who did think thatNazarenes should have been the
only denomination, and shedefinitely made her opinion
known.
And little Jimba would becomevery close with her and would
spend a lot of time with her andher husband, and that suited
his mother, lynette, just fine,as it would get Jimba out of her

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hair for a while.
But now Lynette and Big Jimwere about the only people in
that town that were not weeklychurchgoers.
Lynette didn't really believein a sky, god.
She was more spiritual and shewould have visions and in fact
when she had little Jimba shehad a vision that he would.
She would give birth to a greatman who would become a great

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leader.
Yeah, no, I'm just kidding.
Wait, jimmy Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
OK, so when?

Speaker 1 (20:25):
when little Jimmy was in first grade, lynette, like I
said before, had to go to workand worked at a glass factory.
Now, big Jim, he was completelydisabled.
He was no longer able to do anywork at this time, so he would
hang out in the town pool hallall day.
Lynette told little Jimmy thathe couldn't go in the house
until she got off work, so hekind of just ran the streets or

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would visit aunts and uncles andcousins, or he would go hang
out at Ms Myrtle's house.
Ms Myrtle was six foot two.
Wow, jesse, that's how Mrs Hallis you?

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Was Myrtle fertile.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
I don't think, I don't know, I have not.
So I'm in the middle of a very,very long book about this case
If Myrtle wasn't fertile andthey've already gotten way past
Miss Myrtle's subject, and Ididn't hear about her having a
lot of kids.
She may have had one or two.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
I did not, I didn't write it down.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Well, if Myrtle wasn't fertile, at least she
would have to wear like aman-sized girdle.
Well, she was.
Actually.
She was quite the empath fortransients and was always making
them pies in hopes that theywould join the Nazarene church.
Like she's Nazarene to the core.
Now, jim, little Jimmy Jimbabeing from a godlessless home,
that made myrtle want to takehim under her wing and and she

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never missed an opportunity toshare the word of god with him.
Jesus like jesus, god injimmy's ears all the time.
And, um, jimmy would even startstaying overnight with the she
was a kennedy, I don't know if Isaid that already and he really
started soaking in the Biblescriptures and would memorize
them, much to Myrtle's delight,and Jimmy would even call her

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mom in private, and Myrtle lovedthat.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
You're building a big salad here.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Oh yeah, oh God, there's like there's going to be
two episodes of just salad.
Yeah, wow, well, I'm sayinglike.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
OK, his mom is charismatic and not really.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
But atheist as fuck yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
So wide open, charismatic, just you know,
doing her thing wide open, andthen now he's hanging out with
somebody that's pushing theirreligion.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Very religious.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Wide open too.
So boom, boom right.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
So oh yeah, yeah, we got a lot to cover you see my,
you see my notes here, I'mseeing it so and um, she say she
in her mind, myrtle, had savedlittle jimmy soul, you know,
because he was in a godlesshouse.
But much, much to her chagrin,he would get curious of other

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denominations in town and wouldstart attending those services
as well.
Little Jimmy especially lovedOK, I'm going to let you guess
what do you think he loved themost?

Speaker 2 (23:14):
And as far as religion goes.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Not as a denomination , but what type of services do
you think he loved the most?
I'm just going to give you oneguess Charismatic Like Revival
Revival yes.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Pentecostals.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Well he's, they haven't gotten to that, that
hasn't come onto the scene yetso yeah, no Baptist, nobody.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Well, this was he was , so he would go to the revivals
.
He was baptized like as oftenas he could, and this was like
really odd to most peoplebecause they're like he's like
getting baptized every week.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
yeah so he's like reset, reset, throwing it back.
Oh my god what did I?
Do this week.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Wait a minute, it's washed away if you just heard
that, reset, reset.
Um, if anybody listening haslistened to one of Jesse's
former bands, we won't say thename, just in case the crazy
person might be a listener.
Whoever, you will get thatreference.

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You only need to know two words, but they're the same
motherfucking word.
We're going to say it twiceReset, reset.
But they're the samemotherfucking word.
We're gonna say it twice reset,reset.
Anyways, this would make him asodd as his parents to the
townspeople.
Okay, and his oddness wouldcontinue when World War II broke
out and little Jimmy acquiredan admiration for Adolf Hitler.

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What now?
Don't act like that's crazy,cause we done talked about
another motherfucker that lovedhitler and he went on to be a I
guess he's a terrible personyeah, maybe he started joining
some of those gatherers okay, sohe was, he was in his early
teens around this time, maybeeven younger, so he did not

(25:02):
understand what Hitler was doing.
But he would like the way thatHitler spoke to the crowds and
how those crowds would stand atattention and listen.
He would get his cousins to actas Nazis as he pretended to be
Hitler, like having them goosestep and all that shit.
What the fuck?

(25:23):
Until, yeah, he had them linedup already.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Come zimba.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Now he, I mean jimba because I'm just picturing this
shit in my head you know it'swild yeah but at the same time
I'm not gonna lie.
When I was in high school andactually way earlier than that,
when I first read the diary ofanne frank that was in fifth

(25:52):
grade I had to do a book reporton it.
I had to dress as her to givethat book report presentation.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
I became obsessed with the whole holocaust after
that yeah, up all the way upuntil something like that just
breaks the trend of anybodytrying to be against humanity.
When you read something likethat, or you just look into
something like that and you'rejust like boom.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
I definitely wasn't obsessed with Hitler.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
I remember in school too, looking at the books of
bodies piled up, oh God, like awheelbarrow full of wedding
rings, like, okay, that's thatmany people that just got my
10th grade teacher had us watchthe the like documentary on it,
where they were piling theselifeless naked bodies right and
just droves, droves and justpiles of dugout dirt there was

(26:36):
skin and skeletons.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, that's so, oh, that thing that that was other
than seeing people in funerals.
You know, know my loved ones infunerals.
That was the most death I'dever seen in my life, but I knew
that was real.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
But the count for all of that?
We everybody drops back to that.
But how many other regimes andhistory has done that in way
worse?

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Right, and I mean there's a lot more spoiler alert
cult leaders that have donethis same shit but in different
ways.
Yeah, you know, but we're goingback, we're in the beginning
stages here.
Ok, so you know the cousins.
They would go back and telltheir mom and dad's, like you

(27:20):
know what they were doing in the, in the, in the woods, with
Ojumba, and they were like nostop, and you can't do that, no
more.
So he also had a realfascination with death and would
almost force the town kids toattend funeral services that he
would leave for animals, like hewas, like this collector of

(27:40):
strays and like you know, and ofcourse you know, and they all
lived on, a lot of them lived onfarms.
They were familiar with death,but I mean, jim had to have a
funeral for everything.
A lizard, all that.
Now, kids, his age would startto get creeped out by him.
So what do you do when youcan't get any friends your own

(28:01):
age?
You go to to the younger crowdand he got the younger kids to
follow him and he would take hisfollowers to the town casket
manufacturer and who left theirdoors unlocked, because you know
, small town, they're leavingeverything unlocked and he would
have them lay down in thesecaskets so they could see what
it would like to be dead.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Whoa yeah, come on, jimba.
Sounds like you're creating amonster.
Well, we're in, jimmy.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
We're in Jimmy now.
We're in Jimmy territory.
So Jimmy would also be found inthe woods, sometimes by his
friend Max practicing putting onsermons to the trees.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
So now he's off Pride Rock and he's doing his own
thing?

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yes, Now these weren't sermons.
Okay, rock, and he's doing hisown thing.
Yes, now these weren't sermons.
Okay, cause Max, when herecounts the tale, they weren't
sermons.
Like he was passionatelypreaching, it was a show.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Right, he was learning how to be a good actor.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
He was learning how to be a showman A good actor.
Yes, this is the greatest showNow since Jimmy was left alone.
A lot, and they're all up there.
They're all like whoa.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Ladies and gentlemen, this is the moment you've been
waiting for.
So he's just like doing it.
So he's went from.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
He's went from Simba to the greatest showman yeah
this is great yeah, we canmention all kinds of shit
throughout his life, okay, wow.
So since jimmy was left alone alot and didn't always have food
available, he would go to thecandy stores and just kind of
take what he wanted, and thevendors didn't really get mad or
say anything to him because hismother would come by and pay

(29:43):
for whatever he had taken at theend of the week when she would
get paid.
Now, lynette never correctedthis behavior, though she wasn't
like all right, jimba, youcan't go to the store and just
take things without buying them.
No, she actually, uh, was proudof his audacity and defiance
yeah, wow.
Yeah, so tell me where you wantto go.

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So Jimmy told his friends thathe had obtained the power to fly
.
And then he jumped off a roof.
And he didn't fly, of course,and ended up breaking his arm,
but he still believed that hehad special powers.
So now Jimmy knew a lot aboutsex, being around farm animals

(30:28):
and living in a thin walledhouse.
But no one, and all the otherkids did too.
But no one else would talkabout it except jimmy.
He talks about sex all thefucking time, like he would have
like little lectures on hisporch to younger kids about sex.
Yeah, it's wild, and that'sgoing to remember that for

(30:51):
future episodes.
Okay, he cussed all the time asas a as a child.
When other parents wouldexpress their concerns to
Lynette, she didn't care.
She was like that's my Jimimba,okay.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
You're kidding me.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
In high school it seemed that Jimmy was always
talking about religion, sex anddeath.
Those were his three favoritetopics and they pretty much will
be forever.
It's not going to work outright, it's not cool, man, it's
not a good wave to ride, bro.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
It's not cool man.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Most of the townspeople felt sorry for him
because his mother was weird andgodless and they assumed that
his father was an abusive drunk.
They assumed that there was noevidence to that.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
No, he was just barely getting by.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
I was going to say he was severely disabled and they
live in a dry fucking county.
Now I know that doesn't makeyou know a single fuck, but the
pool hall that he's hung out inall day only served soda and
coffee.
So unless he had a connectionbringing him some booze all day,
but he could not physicallyabuse anybody.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
I'm seeing a weird connection with him and his mom
like that.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah, it's the same.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
A very disgusting connection.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
She is promoting his weirdness because she's weird
herself Now don't get me wrong.
I think that Lynette was wayahead of her time as far as her
tactics go, because yeah, fuckyeah, bitch, you wear pants,
fuck yeah, you smoke cigarettesthat's.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
That's cool, but at the same time, like you, can't
let your kid run amok the wrongway promote bad behavior and
can't be like, oh yeah jimba,that's my boy go steal some more
candy bars I I'll pay for it.
I'll pay for it later.
No regrets in life, no slap onthe hand there for old Jimba.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Right.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Oh man.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
But Jimmy, he liked the sympathy and he would run
with that.
Okay.
And he also stood out in highschool because he wore his
Sunday clothes every day, as therest of the school boys wore
jeans and t-shirts during theweek and only dressed up on
Sundays.
He didn't participate in theboys after school like ball
games and mostly said it wasbecause he didn't.

(33:10):
Most boys, most of the othertown's boys, said that it was
because he didn't like losing.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
But you know that's just speculation.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
He's going to dress as a winner.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
I'm going to dress as a winner all the time, because
Jim was a natural born leader.
He'd organized his own team onetime and coached them himself.
This is when he was a teenager.
He was driving these kids togame at 14 illegally.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
What, yes, we're going on tour.
I'm getting a band backtogether.
We're going to play the newyork knicks and I mean he would.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
He would sit down and he would make organized stats
for the team to look at.
And these were all kids youngerthan him, so of course they
were easier to manage and hemade the team schedule and he
got sponsors for the equipment.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Holy shit, intelligent, this is the
beginnings.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Okay, yeah, he's very intelligent.
He we'll get more into thatlater.
Okay, so then one day he wastalking to his team about
strategies for the next game andthen he trapped a puppy.
Like remember, like I said, hewas always collecting strays he
trapped a puppy and he let itfall.
I think it was like he was in aloft.
He trapped a puppy and he letit fall.
I think it was like he was in aloft and there was a trap door

(34:27):
and he let the dog fall all theway to the ground, onto the
hardwood floor.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
No.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
And these kids didn't want to hang out with him.
No more after that.
No, so the team disbanded andyeah.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
The band broke up.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
The band broke up.
We ain't got no fucking band.
But that didn't stop old jimmy.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Okay, because he's gonna continue in life um so one
day I'd hate to see what jimmydoes in his chicken shack one
day in jimmy's teen years, herewe go.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Okay, you're ready, you're ready.
An apostolic or a pentecostalchurch came to town and they
hung up flyers saying if youwant to come to our service,
you'll be speaking in tongues.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Here we go, and Jimmy liked that shit Okay.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
He's fitting to learn it and he loved how the
services had hooping andhollering and it was just wild
and it was a celebration and he,just he soaked it all in.
I can speak in tongues, Lindsayand guess who thought even that
shit was weird.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Lynette, she was like whoa, can I speak in tongues
real quick?
No oh yes, in the name of Jesus, do you remember?
Boop boop, boop boop, beep bop,bop, bop bop, bop.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yes, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop.
In the name of Jesus, do youremember?
There was a Shit?
I'm breaking our microphone.
There was a Spanish dishwasherA Spanish cracker barrel, and
that was how.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
I communicated with him.
Every time I say that, I'mthinking of him back there
hucking, Were their teeth out.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yes, his name was Cesar and that was how we
communicated.
He would just start singing andI would go.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
He was Pentecostal.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
He would try so hard.
He was the sweetest man, hewould try so hard to tell me
stories.
And you know, because he likeminimal english, I mean like uno
you had a point like you had apoint in that stuff.
Yeah right, he would try to tellme stories and I was trying so

(36:44):
hard to understand them like Iwould close my eyes and try and
listen to his words and pickthem out to try to translate,
because I know a lot of Spanish.
It's hard for me to put ittogether fluently, but anyways,
lynette, like I said, she wasnot on board.
She was not on board with thisshow.
But Jimmy, he still went as muchas he could and they had weekly

(37:09):
services.
They didn't just have shit onSundays, you could go during the
week, you could go onWednesdays.
I guess that's when Wednesdayservices got started and they
had revivals on Saturdays.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
And every time they passed the bucket, every single
time.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Oh yeah, because you got to pass the bucket for the
preacher.
You got to pass the bucket forthe preacher, you got to pass
the bucket for the choir,because the choir at any
Pentecostal or tent revival orany kind of service that I've
been to.
Now, little Jimmy, littleteenage Jimmy, he would notice
that there were not many blackpeople in Lynn Indiana and he

(37:51):
would notice that the ones thatdid live there were not treated
as equals and he didn't likethat.
So he would hang out with them,also making the townspeople
side-eye him, and he would go tothe nearest big town in
Richmond where he would findwhere the black people would
congregate the most and he wouldstart preaching to them about

(38:13):
equality and he would tell themif they just stayed strong,
better times were coming.
And that's a direct quote InJimmy's senior year in high
school, 1948, lynette, she hadtaken up with a lover from
Richmond.
Now she, I mean big Jim, oldJim, as we're going to start
calling him now he's Old Jim.

(38:33):
Okay, he was very disabled.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Call him Daddy Jim, daddy Jim.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, oh, my God, stop it.
Oh, I'm going to throw up,because next episode you're
going to see why that's not cool, okay, okay, next episode
you're gonna see why that's notcool.
Okay, so old jim he had beennot able to meet lynette's needs
for a long time.
Okay, so she had already takenup with a few lovers, but she

(39:00):
took up with one from lynette.
She decided to leave old jimand she took jimmy with her, and
they just left that guy what?
Neither one of them had anyrespect for him.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Come on, dude.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Now this made old Jim sad and he left his home and he
stayed in a hotel or a motel,whatever you know, like you know
week by week, yeah, until hedied in 1951.
And it's reported that Lynetteand Jimmy did not attend that
funeral.
What?
But Lynette did file a widow'sclaim to get that pension.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
You want that money, I mean but it wasn't a lot.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
It was $30 a month, which was even less at this
point.
Okay, so now they're inRichmond.
Lynette was working at afactory I think it was a glass
factory there no, it was a partsfactory and Jimmy, he got a
night job as an orderly at ReedMemorial Hospital he's 17 now,

(39:55):
okay, and he was going to schoolduring the day.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
I was fixing to say he's still in high school.
Yeah, this is where, and it'salready done more than most
30-year-olds have done.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Oh my God, like I said, people in those days were
40 by the time they were 17.
I swear to God.
So this is the beginning ofwhere Jim Jones, jimmy he's
still Jimmy right now.
Okay, he learned how to livewith very little sleep.
He found a group of friendsthat believed in Christian

(40:27):
communism and they would callhim Jonesy.
That was his nickname when hewas in high school.
Jonesy, jonesy, jonesy.
What is the show where there'sa character named Jonesy?
Jonesy and the pushy cat.
No, that's Josie.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Josie Jonesy Josie.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Now this at this time the Cold War was going on.
So the kids, they would keeptheir beliefs, like within their
group.
They weren't expressing themverbally, you know.
But as you will know and asanybody that knows anything
about jim jones, like socialismand communism was his jam, okay,
jam, that's his shit.

(41:07):
So here we go, we're gonnahealthy.
This is not healthy whatsoever.
So Jimmy excelled in school andhe loved his orderly job, like
he unhealthily loved it becausehe had to deal with a lot of
death and amputated body parts.
Wow, that didn't bother him atall, not even in the slightest.
And it was at Reed Memorialwhere he would meet Marceline

(41:31):
Baldwin.
And it was at Reed Memorialwhere he would meet Marceline
Baldwin.
Marceline was a senior nursingstudent.
Marceline was a senior nursingstudent and a little older than
Jimmy I think she was 23 at thetime and she belonged to a

(41:53):
deeply religious Methodistfamily.
And Marceline was musicallyinclined and she sang at church
often and her and her sisterswould also sing at Reed Memorial
for the old folks and inretirement homes they called it
their music outreach program.
Okay, okay, marceline wanted tolive a life of Christian service
and had planned on leavingRichmond to move to Kentucky

(42:13):
with one of her friends, one ofher very close friends.
Then she met Jim.
She met Jim Jones and Jimhelped her with a corpse one
night and he already had anexcellent, excellent reputation
around the hospital.
This guy knew how to make youabsolutely love him and we'll

(42:35):
get on into it where, if he getsmad at you for something that
you believe in, you end upapologizing to him.
It's fucking weird.
Okay, he and Marceline wouldgrow very close after this and
Jim would tell her tales of hishorrible childhood and his
alleged abusive father and howhe had grown up poor and hungry.

(42:58):
Marceline believed that he wasa man of God and wanted to help
people.
So she brought Jim home to meether parents and warn them that
he had a rough upbringing.
So her parents thought thatthey could help him conform to

(43:18):
be a more mild mannered person,because jim was loud and he was
crude.
But jim was like no, I want youto be more like me right.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
If anything, his persona is working for him.
Yes, you know, he understands.
Like if I push this and I'mloud and intelligent enough to
actually sway you into whatever,I'm winning.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Right.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Now, jim believed that the rich kept the poor down
, and Mr Baldwin, marceline'sdad, being a wealthy man himself
, said that this was just nottrue, like he considered himself
to be very much a person whogave back from his wealth.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
And that's what I've seen in my life too.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Right, Like if somebody has money not all of
them, no, but honestly myworkability like they're giving
you an opportunity, you know inmy work, in my line of work
being a tipped employee.
It is the ones that are knownaround town that to have money
that actually tip a lot cheaperthan our middle class

(44:18):
hardworking you know.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
I'm not saying that the rich aren't hardworking.
That's just cheap people.
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Jim was.
You know he was set in hissocialist, slash communist
beliefs and you could not changehis mind.
Let me remind you he's 17 yearsold.
Most people don't have thatdeep seated beliefs and set in
their ways, so they're mucholder.
Right, this fucker is 17.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
These kids nowadays haven't even stopped playing
video games yet, no, nor eventhought about a driver's license
or a job right now.
Right, they're just like no,I'm cool in my bedroom.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Right.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Just get me an Xbox, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
But I mean the Baldwin's.
They ended up accepting Jim forwho he was because they were
like if Marceline likes him,there's got to be some good.
She was a very lovely lady.
She was a very lovely younglady at that point and will
always continue to be one.
Some good, she was a verylovely lady.
She was a very lovely younglady at that point and will
always continue to be one.
So they gave Marceline theirblessing when Jim proposed

(45:18):
marriage.
Now Jim ended up resigning fromReed Memorial to move to
Bloomington and enroll incollege classes there and he
would just come home and seeMarceline on the weekends and
stay with the Baldwins.
But Jim and Marceline would getmarried on June 12th 1949 in a

(45:39):
double wedding with her sisterEloise and her husband.
I'm sorry, double weddings are.
That's strange to me, but Iknow that was a thing for a
while.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
I don't know.
I mean, it just depends.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
It was a.
Thing.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Depends on your connection, you know, with the
person.
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean it just depends it was athing Depends on your
connection with the person.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Well, soon after the wedding, while Jim was at home
at the Baldwin's, when he washome from school for the weekend
, ms Baldwin said in her opinionthat it was not Christian for
people of different races tomarry, and she called black
people the N-word and said thatthey were communists.

(46:15):
And Jim lost his shit.
Now I can get behind him onthat.
You know what I'm saying.
I can get behind him.
But this woman at the same timewas in her own home voicing her
opinion on what she had alsobeen brought up to believe.
So yeah, she was, yeah, yeah jim, he loses his shit and he said

(46:36):
he would never eat at theirtable again as long as he lived
and told marceline that shewould have to choose between him
or that bitch.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Wow, yeah so the and they left they dropped it and
they left well, rightfully so.
I mean I mean you know betterinside Right, even if it's
brought upon you, I don't know.
I mean, there's just so manyshitty narratives.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
I mean, you and I were raised in a your mine was
probably a lot more than yoursand that same type of mindset we
were.
You know, we were born in the80s and grew up in the 90s.
We were still in that same typeof brought up in that same type
of mindset, like Jesus Christ.
If my granny saw a white womanwith a black man or vice versa,

(47:23):
she just clutched all her pearls.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, not so much my family.
We were kind of a little bitmore outgoing.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Mine was absolutely not, and I mean, my father is
one of the kindest people everand had no problem with any kind
of races, but he didn't.
He thought the same as thiswoman here.
He literally thought that itwas a sin for mixed races to be
in relationships.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
What we was brought up on.
Literally God created man.
You know, right, we're all,it's all love, it's all love.
So now there was, there wasnone really of that.
Now they were on my dad's side,there was a little bit of deep
grain stuff that was broughtupon him, but he also knew
better also.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
So you know, I'm saying like at the same time he
would be a little breaking themchains.
Yeah, you know, continuouslywell, and just like what we said
the other day, you know the way.
I'm glad that we have beenbreaking them chains yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
You know continuously Well, and just like what we
said the other day, you know theway to stop it all is to quit
talking about it.
Right, you know the only reasonwhy it even exists nowadays is
people keep talking about it.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
You know, we're, and I don't want to get political
whatsoever at all, but the wholepicture has got to change a lot
for that all to stop.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
It all has to stop.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
But we're going to move on with this.
So when they left, when theywould visit Richmond again, they
would actually stay withLynette, and if the Baldwin's
came over to see Marceline Jim,he would go out the back door
and they ended up apologizing tohim.
But at the same time I seeJim's point there.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yeah, they should have 100%.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
He was trying to break that chain of racism and
he will continue to do that, andthat's one good quality that
this man had.
Remember how I said, marcelinethought that Jim was a man of
God.
He actually told her he didn'tbelieve in her God and that a
just and loving Lord would neverpermit human misery.

(49:16):
And I can kind of get behindthat too.
You know what.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
I mean Well, still twisted by man.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Right, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
You put those words down in that book the way you
wanted to we weren't there.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
We weren't there we don't know no.
Yeah.
So this caused a lot of fightsand marceline even thought about
divorce.
But her mother actually said,girl baldwin, women don't get
divorced, so it'll all be okaynow.
If she only knew, yeah, thefuture she might.

(49:47):
Oh, mrs bald Baldwin might havesaid a few different things
yeah.
So Marceline just stoppedarguing with Jim about that
subject and Jim would still goto church with her.
Now Marceline had anine-year-old cousin named
Ronnie who had lost his father,and his mother had many, many of

(50:11):
what you would call unsuitablelovers, and he would end up in
foster care.
So Jim and Marceline tookRonnie in and they moved to
Indianapolis where Jim wanted tostudy law.
Now he's moving on.
Yeah he's moving on.
Ronnie was 10 years old, okay.

(50:31):
Ronnie was 10 years old, okay,and he was forced to listen to
long lectures from Jim about sex, jim thinking the boys should
just know everything that therewas to know for some reason and
sorry, jim, that's a littleyoung, I nope, nope, yeah.
And he would also tell Ronniethat his mother was a whore.

(50:53):
That's also not cool, jim, it'snot cool.
So in 1952, jim began attendingmeetings about communism and
would bring along Marceline andRonnie.
She began to believe that whatshe was hearing about the
government being responsible forthe poor was true.
You know, she started soakingin all that information and kind

(51:17):
of yeah, that's deep, we ain'tgoing to go there, but you know,
there's points to be made, yeah.
So Jim also began to despisethe church and felt they were
not doing enough to actuallyhelp the needy Also.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
I'm behind you on that.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
But then the platform of integration, helping the
needy, free speech, prisonreform and things like that were
introduced into the Methodistchurch and Jim was back on board
.
He's like all right, I got you,I'm listening, I'm with it.
Now I'm feeling you, I'mfeeling you now'm with it.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Now I'm feeling you.
I'm feeling you now.
All these points do seem valid.
Yes, they do, they really do.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
And I don't want to spoil too much in the future.
But Jim will go on to make alot of moves for the poor and
it's just very unfortunate howall this ends, so now we're
working on team Jim at themoment, though.
Yeah, Right now and a littlebit into the next one.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Yeah, Little creepy, but team Jim.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Oh, he's very creepy and crude, and he is.
I never thought I'd say thathe's a little too outspoken,
yeah, but at the same time Gottaremember 1951, he's only.
He's 20 now.
I think this kid's 10.
And he's known about this shithis whole life.
So he thinking he's doing thiskid some good Right, but that's

(52:38):
what I'm saying, like people intheir late teens and 20s were 40
years old at that point andlooked 40.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
And that time period Damn sure did my God Got wore
out quick, man.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Life was hard, though so jim's back on board and now
he wanted to become a methodistminister and marceline was
thrilled now why he searched fora church that would have him as
a student pastor.
He would take marceline andronnie to black churches,
because that's what he reallyliked.
Black churches were more fun.

(53:11):
You didn't have a time limit,you didn't feel as though you
were fulfilling an obligation,you just wanted to be there.
And Marceline, she loved themusic because she was musically
inclined.
So that type of music, justreally spoke to her.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
More upbeat, more organic, you're just living it.
I mean, jim was in his elementhere.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
He was in his element at the black churches and he
made so many friends and he gotdown to politics of how the
black community was treateddifferently than whites and you
cannot argue that period,especially back then.
Yeah, now, in the summer of1952, jim was hired as a student
pastor for Somerset MethodistChurch.
Now this was an impoverishedchurch, but Jim was happy.
Now he was 21.

(53:55):
21.
That's it.
That's it.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Youngin'.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
We got a 20-year-old in our house right now.
Nowhere near.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
I don't think he'll ever be Well in a lot of ways, I
hope not.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
I mean we don't want to tip-toe.
I hope not.
Well, in a lot of ways, I hopenot, we don't want to, but I'm
just saying, like, as far as thedrive, absolutely well too,
though the louder you are, themore you seem that you're right
you know.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
So somebody's just like coming at you and they're
loud as fuck.
The quiet people are usuallythe ones that are true and right
, you know.
But he's like he's doing goodshit, though at the same time
I'm like kind of of team Jimstill.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
And around this time he wanted to legally adopt.
Ronnie, could you imagine being21 and wanting to legally adopt
, even having the thought?

Speaker 2 (54:41):
No, I was still trying to grow up too.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Yeah, we're still trying to grow up.
We're not going to grow up, butRonnie, ronnie, he declined
because he wanted to be backwith his mother and brothers.
And this, this hurts Marcelinelike emotionally, but Jim, but
Jim was more fucking pissed.

(55:04):
And this is where you'll seefrom here on out, if Jim does
something for you and you don'taccept it, he takes that real,
personally, real personally.
Finna clap back.
But he sent.

(55:24):
He did end up sending Ronnieback to his mother and brothers,
but not before giving him anall night rant about his mother
was a whore and all that jazz,yeah.
And he actually came to anevent back in Richmond Richmond
where Ronnie was there.
It was that it was atMarceline's parents house.
Ronnie came because he wasinvited, because he's the nephew

(55:47):
he was Marceline's nephew,right and Jim showed up and
Ronnie started running from Jim.
He was that terrified of him.
Jim starts chasing him downwith a fucking vehicle Really,
yeah, but I guess it was.
After that Jim was like allright, I'm going to back off
Whatever, whoa, whoa.
And because it wasn't longafter that, after Ronnie

(56:07):
returned to his mother, thatthey found another unfortunate
child to give their infection ofnot their infection their
affection to and this littlegirl, I think you were right, I
think you're right.
What Infection.
Yeah, I think you're right, andthis little girl was named
Agnes, and they adopted herquickly.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
One of my favorite names.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
I know Agnes and Agnes and Agnes.
She doesn't come up a lot infurther endeavors as much as the
other children will that he'llacquire along the way.
So they've adopted Agnes nowand Jim being a student pastor.
That really didn't pay verymuch.

(56:48):
I mean, marceline was stilldoing her nursing work but Jim
had to do odd jobs to make endsmeet and one of those jobs was
selling spider monkeys door todoor.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
What For $29.99.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
$30 spider monkey.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
How many spider monkeys were around that time,
and where do you get them from?

Speaker 2 (57:12):
What was the monkey off of?
Off of the, the gemstones atthe end there?

Speaker 1 (57:19):
dr watson dr watson's .

Speaker 2 (57:21):
He was slinging dr watson's all over the united
states.
Well, what I just think ishilarious?

Speaker 1 (57:27):
What I think is hilarious is they have tied in
this parody of a megachurch allshit of megachurches throughout
history.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Right, Goodness gracious.
Do you think Danny McBrideactually looked into that and
was like there's monkeys,absolutely.
He used so much of that shit.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Well, he grew up in shit like that.
So, that's where he got a lotof his inspiration.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
He didn't have to do a lot of research on finding
something real, organic,charismatic Christian church
stuff.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
No, because it's all weird, it's all there we're
going to cover next year,because I've already got pretty
much everything I want to do forthe rest of this year.
We're going to cover some moremegachurch fuckers next year.
Uh, they weren't exactly cultleaders, but there was true
crime involved.
So, and this, and it'simportant to me because I grew

(58:20):
up in that world and it's socorrupt, oh, I never have been
to a megachurch before.
So our local megachurch you'vebeen to, yes which is like a
mini-mega.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
I mean, if you're selling stuff in your church,
it's not right.
No, wasn't that like dispelledby somebody.
I mean, according to the Bible,Jesus split the tables at the
synagogue selling goods, but wecan have Starbucks in ours, so
is that the same book that y'allare looking into here?
What?

Speaker 1 (58:58):
what, what well, I mean all the mega churches that
I ever went to, all the, theyall have gift cash, grab they
all have that same preacher andthose episodes on tape that you
can buy.
Their specials you could buy.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
I mean it's just all been a cash grab for sure.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
So tax-free too.
Oh yeah, so tax-free.
So jim would also attend asmany revivals in reasonable
driving distance as he could.
And this man was taking notes.
He was studying the evangelist,he was remembering, he was
remembering what phrases wouldget the biggest response from
the crowd, what scriptures, whatanything that was getting a

(59:42):
hallelujah, amen, brother, blah,blah, all that shit.
He was soaking that in, he wastaking notes on this.
He was getting ready for hisplatform.
Okay, so he really startedfocusing in and and paying
attention to those faithhealings and driving out demons.
Have you ever been to a churchwhere they got, where they would

(01:00:06):
just touch your forehead andyou fell down with the flopping.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
You have.
That is lot more wild to me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Yes, I've seen it, because that was when I was
growing up, I thought that wasabsolutely normal.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Now that I'm an adult and I'm like oh now I felt
stuff where I got chills or beenyou know completely just
enthused, and stuff especiallydoing power.
I mean chills or been you knowcompletely just enthused and
stuff especially doing powwowmusic.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
This is oh yeah Well.
I mean, it's spiritual, it'sbeautiful, Right.
But we also get those samefeelings when we go see live
music, right?

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
And that is what.
So I saw a meme one day whereit said when I was growing up
and I used to cry at church, Ithought it was because I was
feeling the spirit.
But then I grew up, got awayfrom religion but would also
feel that same feeling at a liveconcert.

(01:01:02):
And now I just know I like livemusic.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Well, I mean, you can also get the same feeling
between the hedges inGainesville.
Go to a football game yes,80,000 people, no, no, I got
chills.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
That's a whole big power.
I didn't get teary-eyed, though.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
How many times have you seen me ball at a concert?
How many times have we balledtogether?
Yeah, yeah, musically, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
At concerts.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
yes, like oh, that's exactly what a megachurch
service is like.
It's a different emotion.
You know, A fucking footballgame.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
I've been there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
I've been to both.
Yeah.
So Jim decided and this is adirect quote as well if these
sons of bitches can do this, socan I.
So he started preaching atrevivals and before the service
would start, he would mingle andstart taking mental notes of

(01:01:54):
what people were talking abouttheir ailments or what kind of
healing they were in need of.
Then the sermon would start andhe would point that person out
and he would be like I know whatyou're going through and your
life is going to turn around, orI, I know what's ailing you and
you will be healed in the nameof Jesus.

(01:02:15):
Sorry, I'm going to completelyget into this shit, because I've
been there, I've done it, I'vewatched it happen my whole life.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Don't work yourself up into another hot flash over
here.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Well, this just wowed the hell out of his crowd, and
even his wife.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Right.
They didn't know that there wasa better way.
They thought he was going tofix them and make them have a
better life.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
This had already started becoming a big thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
How many times in your life, have you been told?
If you live the way of Jesus,you're always going to be
successful, you're always goingto be prosperous, you're always
going to have this andeverything's going to work out.
You got to work for that shit.
He don't want you to just belike, well, follow me and
everything's going to work out.
You still got to work.
Following him is also workingand doing for yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
It's in there, so you can't just be like I'm going to
ride this wave and everybody'sgoing to fix it for me.
I have refilled my cup of mymango and peach.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
That's what I'm going to be on all day.
Today I'm on another 7-Up sugarfree.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
You need to drink some more of that damn, bloody
Mary.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
I love it.
It's starting to get watereddown, but I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
It made you, it doesn't matter, it's still good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
It is good, but that and that don't go together much.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
And I even gave you a garlic piece in there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
I see.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Well, words spread real quick about this young
preacher who could read mindsand had prophecies.
His crowd, it grew bigger andbigger, and then at one revival
this little old lady called hima prophet, and that was music to
Jim's ears.
Ooh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Got me chills, I've been touched, I got chills.
They're multiplying.
So now like he's just buildingit up and he's getting more
power because he loves thatfeedback.
And it's not really hard tocontrol people back then,
because they're kind of living alittle bit of a simple life,
yeah, and he knows what they'redoing in life and there's so
much post for Knows what they'relooking for, because we had a

(01:04:06):
war every fucking decade we hada war, what, like every fucking
decade, and I feel like that isnot really that hard to figure
out.
People and then, you know,caress them into, making them
feel like he's gonna dosomething awesome for them, and
you give them a little bit andall you're doing is just giving
them words, but that's gonnainspire them, you know, with
enthusiasm, more enthusiasm, themore inspiration, you know well
, just like I told you off mic,when I was younger and I was

(01:04:29):
socially awkward, I did learnhow to adapt to the crowds.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
I was going to be around and say things that I
knew that they would like, oragree with things that I knew
that they liked, that I didn'tnecessarily know shit about.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
But, and it took me a while to figure out who I
actually was and what I actuallyliked- Right.
Versus what I was justpretending to like to be liked.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
But you did your social adapting to be
comfortable with yourself, notwith any power, narrative or
anything like that Right and Ifigured out.
You were just trying to fit inand be like okay, I can join
this conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Yes, yes, yes, yes or I can do my job better.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
There was no other narrative there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
You're not like trying to get something from
them.
I took a self journey to figureout what I actually did like
where, if you don't do that, itbecomes very unhealthy.
Yeah, you can't live your wholelife like that, no no so, with
the crowds that jim was drawing,he could talk about what he
really wanted to talk about,which was socialism, equality

(01:05:29):
I'm on board with that andintegration, which are not bad
things.
So, but he was tricking people.
He had them thinking he waspretty much like a miracle
worker, you know, but most ofhis audience were white
conservatives, so he would losea lot of his audience at times,

(01:05:49):
and that was before he leavesSomerset.
Now, at Somerset, he wasactually asked to leave because
some of the church members wereaccusing him of stealing funds,
but this was not true, becausehe didn't have access to that
money whatsoever.
So he went out on his own andhe formed Community Unity.

(01:06:10):
Community Unity I mean, it'sgot a nice ring to it.
You know, I would, I wouldprobably go there, you know, if
I was looking for answers,looking for acceptance, you know
.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Yeah, and if you had like some kind of a hard work in
a press life where you don'thave much going on.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Everyone was welcome, but the focus was on the
low-income black community.
Now we're in 1954.
This is where I know around 54,.
55 is where the charismaticpreachings really took off.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
The birth of the regime of all the hooping and
hollering.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
It's so easy to see through that shit you know, Now
his main goal was to attract theblack community to his church
instead of the ones they werealready attending.
So he stepped up hisshowmanship as well as getting
involved in making changes inthe community.

(01:07:10):
He would ask his congregationwhat was bothering them.
As well as getting involved inmaking changes in the community,
he would ask his congregationwhat was bothering them and then
he would do things to helpthese problems go away.
Like, for example, there wasone woman who was paying her
electric service on time everymonth, doing what she's supposed
to do, but she was not gettingrepairs, like there was light

(01:07:32):
flickering, there was, there wasshit that needed to be prepared
, uh, repaired that the electriccompany was not given a shit
about fixing because of who?
the community that she lived in.
So jim and marceline wrotestrongly worded letters like
during service, okay, and we getsignatures and they would write

(01:07:54):
these to the company and guesswhat?
The repairs would happen.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
What happened Making it happen?

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
And now, after that, I mean, and he started to just
help, I mean he would do thisevery week.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Which is notes that he took before.
Because of a church communitycomes together and they're
supposed to take care of thecommunity exactly so that's just
being a good person, you know,period, but he took some good
ass notes, didn't he?
He sure?

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
did?
He sure did, but, like I said,at the same time he was doing
good things, at the same timewhere he was taking notes for
more sinister actions later on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
He was still doing good things in the community and
would continue for a very longtime.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Well, yeah, so all bad things can be built on good
platforms.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Right.
You know, now, after this wouldhappen, like I said, they would
do it every week they wouldstart writing letters to whoever
they needed to write letters to.
He would.
He would just say what thehell's going on with you, what
can we do to fix it, and hewould help.
Now the congregation wouldstart to grow and grow and,
after you know, after a while hewould need a new space.

(01:09:01):
So he decided to do sometraveling preaching gigs to
break in some money, you know.
And he would do some tentrevivals as well.
Now those, have you ever beento a tent revival?
Several, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
I feel like that was the birth, the real birth, of
all the charismatic stuff.
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Like I said in the 50s, that's where it was going
on.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
It didn't roll into churches until later on, and
that's 54 is the time that bothof my parents were born.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Yeah, is the time that both of my parents were
born.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Yeah.
So that's literally what theylived in Now they're doing stuff
like that in the 20s still likethe tent revival stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Yeah, but it wasn't.
It didn't become what it became.
Yeah, what I grew up in untilthe 50s Right, right, that's
when that was birthed.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
It was a different shift.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
yeah, Right, the speaking in tongues and all that
.
That was a new thing.
So he would.
He would gain crowds so largethat at times people would have
to be turned away.
Now these were his tentrevivals, not at community unity
, that was just his weeklyservice on Sundays, tent
revivals.
He's doing a big okay.
More and more people werebelieving in his faith healings

(01:10:08):
and tons I mean tons were sayingthat they had actually been
healed by jim jones.
I mean well, by god, but throughjim jones you know, yeah, now
it is known that he would haveplants, uh, throughout the crowd
, but it is not known who allwas involved, but so he would

(01:10:31):
bring them in and be like youknow.
So we got to do this, and allright.
So I didn't go into detail.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
I know how this conversation is fixing to go
right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
I know what you're fixing to tell me.
What the plants would do.
Okay, so he would point out oneplant, be like you have cancer
by God and you are healed in thename of Jesus.
Now the other plant would go tothe bathroom with that plant.

(01:11:01):
He would be like now you go tothe bathroom and you cough that
mess up, you got cancer.
You go cough that cancer upright now.
So they would go to thebathroom and what would happen
was they would have chicken gutsand they would put it in a
napkin so they would come out.
I coughed it up, here it ishere, it is In a napkin and it

(01:11:23):
was almost to the point ofrotting, so it would smell bad.
And he's got a napkin and oh,you can't come see it.
It rotting, so it would smellbad.
Yeah, and he's got a napkin andoh, you can't come see it it's
highly infectious.
You can't come near it, right.
But by god, in the name ofjesus, you are healed.
Or the name of jim jones.
Whatever he was saying, we will.
I'm going to get, uh, next twoepisodes.
I'm going to try to get somemore of the um, because he, this

(01:11:46):
fucker, was so narcissistic herecorded everything, everything.
Everything, yeah, so he woulddo things like that.
He would have people that couldactually walk, be in
wheelchairs.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Yeah, I know that being factual, like they would
put people out there to beautomatically healed or they
wanted more inspiration, it justmakes me mad, and he would tell
them, though, to get them toactually do that, I'm sure that
he would tell them if you dothis with me, it's going to help
them in the long run.
So it's not a lie.

(01:12:19):
It's not a lie.
It's to help God find his wayinto their lives.
So we're using this to helpthem, and they would believe
that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
I grew up going to services where shit like this
would happen after Jim Joneshappened.
Why?
Why were there preachers beinginspired to do the same bullshit
that Jim Jones did?
But you know what?
Because there's a whole newgeneration who knows nothing
about Jim Jones, like little oldme who was believing that.

(01:12:51):
Yeah, and it's fucking terriblebut they would.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
They would tell them, though.
They would be like, if we dothis, even though you're not
really hurt, or you're notreally this, or you can really
walk, it's going to help leadsomebody else to god.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
You know, I'm saying that's what they would tell them
or lead somebody else to cometo their church right or
whatever so and a lot of that, alot of this is really sad it's,
it's psychosomatic, yeah, like,and unfortunately some people
could not actually walk and he'stelling get up out their
fucking wheelchair.

(01:13:23):
And they're walking becausethey're like, believing this
man's about to heal them, andthen they injure themselves more
, right, you know, in the longrun.
But for that moment they've gotthe adrenaline to do this and
get out and say, because jim'slike yelling at him, fucking,
take that step right now.
You know, do it in the name ofjesus last time I did this, I

(01:13:43):
broke something I have seen ithappen with other preachers that
I grew up watching with myparents on tv I I watched this
same exact thing happen.
I had no idea who Jim fuckingJones was at that time in my
life.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
No idea.
Do you think the people thattook you to that church was
actually ever going to tell youabout Jim Jones?

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
I didn't find out about Jim Jones from my family
whatsoever.
Oh, that's what I'm saying.
I wasn't fixing to drop yourfamily because I knew that's who
took you, lindsay, but you knowwho I actually?

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
They're not going to tell you about this, though
they're not going to tell youabout what the fuck he did.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
I didn't know, Like I've heard the whole don't drink
the Kool-Aid thing my wholelife yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Never understood where the fuck it came from.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Until I heard her talk about this case and I went
deep.
I found everybody else thatcould cover this case and I like
I had already turned away fromchurch going a long time ago
when I became a server andstarted waiting tables on
Sundays and seen how nasty thatthe church crowd is.

(01:14:53):
When they come in on Sundaysthey treat us.
The church crowd treats serverslike garbage, and it's not just
at my restaurant, it is knownworldwide.
I am a part of server groupswho talk about it every week.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Right?
Well, we're not going to talkabout the Kool-Aid too much but
it has become a staple forAmerican conversation, whether
it's the literal Kool-Aid ordon't feed into the bullshit.
Right, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
That's a metaphor.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
That's the metaphor.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
Then it's common terminology.
Now we talk.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
We talk that.
You know, like British peoplesay go ride a bike or some shit.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Go ride a bike.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Fly kite or whatever yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
So, but what I'm saying is like I had already
pretty much turned away fromchurch going in religion before
I found out about this and thenthis and then going other into
other cults and other thingsthat I found out.
That happened.
And I'm absolutely not, youwill not, I don't even want to
go to a wedding that's held in achurch, like that's how much.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
But what a charismatic church ever have a
sermon about Jim Jones at theirchurch.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Like I said, I grew up going to church three or four
times a week.
I never heard about Jim Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
I want to find out if a charismatic church actually
talks about Jim Jones and whathe did with using charismatic
stuff.
We need to look.
They're not going to.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
No, they're not going to shut down their own theme
park Because that's going tomake them look like bullshit.
Right yeah, that's a good,that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
They're not going to shut down their own theme park.
They're not going to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Yes, no, sir, no sir, no sir.
So you know, I mean, a lot ofpeople knew that we're going to
his church, that a lot of hisfaith healings were bullshit,
but he had already locked themin as followers, as friends, but
his main goal was the teachingof socialism.
I mean, that was his mainteaching.
Now Jim would go on to raisethe money for a new space, which

(01:16:53):
was an old Jewish synagoguethat still had the word temple
on it, and instead of removingit, the new church was now
called the People's Temple, butwithout an apostrophe, because
there's no ownership, becausewe're socialists.
Now, okay, everybody's equal,it's ours, it's not just yours,

(01:17:15):
it's not mine, it's not Jim's,it is his.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
It is his.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
But that's where we're going to leave off for
this week.
So now we have started thePeople's Temple.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
And you have started my brain Like I'm looking to the
side.
So much shit's rattling andfiring right now that I don't
want to talk about because Iknow some shit.
Oh, so still Team Jones at thismoment.
Right, can you say that I?

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
mean he's doing, he's making some bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
There's some bullshit .
He's lying.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
He's doing a lot of lying.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
A lot of manipulation , but he's still helping the
community and we're going to goon next week in part two to talk
about how he'll help thecommunity more.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Right.
So yeah, yeah, and you'll seeexactly what I was talking about
when I said that you still haveto do the work in life.
You can't just rely on God tomake it all happen.
For you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
He really wanted to improve the quality of life of
the black community, and thosewill become his, his main
followers.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
And I believe that they were working.
I believe they were oppressed.
I believe all that I know for afact all they they were looking
for a better way.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
And I want to go ahead and say this Most of his
church at this time is elderlyblack women and a few elderly
white women that had followedhim from Somerset, from Somerset
Methodist.
So that's his audience atchurch Now at the 10 revivals.
He's great, he's getting in thetraveling preacher gig.
He's trying to pull, he'sgained a lot a big, a bigger and

(01:18:45):
bigger audience.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Yeah, so here we go, yes.
And then it's my turn, yes, toplay music.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
What band are we plugging today?
I see in your notes.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
We are plugging this cool ass band called Ignisant.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Ignisant.
Yeah, is that how you pronounceit for sure?

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Yeah, I think that's how you pronounce it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
I think so too.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
And they have this really badass song, so, song, so
I want you guys to check it out.
Amazing band.
They're from chicago, illinois.
This song is called monster.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
You made, you're gonna love it, I'm excited you
only see what you wanna see, soyou make me the enemy.
Talk is cheap.

(01:19:36):
You'll believe what you wannabelieve.
Got nothing to lose, gotnothing to prove.
So take your best side, go,shut the door and block me out
when I become your nightmare.

(01:19:56):
If you want a villain, then Ican be.
I'll become the monster youmade me.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
You free the darkest side of my heart.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
Can you feel my shadow?
Possess you.
You're one last of pain I'vetried to hide.
Got nothing to lose, gotnothing to prove.
So take your best shot.
You'll shut the door and lockme out when I become your

(01:20:45):
nightmare.
I'll become the monster youmade me I am.

(01:21:26):
Who are you, baby?
You created the monster.
You shut the door and lock meout when I become your nightmare
.

(01:21:51):

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
I'll become the monster you made me.
Woo, that is just like theepitome of a badass chick metal

(01:22:33):
group.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
So they remind me a lot of Beartooth, but with a
girl, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
It's just so clean, groovy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Great job.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
Oh, Chicago Ignisant.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
We're going to say that that's what we're going to.
I love that.
That's what we're going to.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
That's what we're going to say.
I'm becoming the monster youmade me.
It's fucking cool, yeah, I loveit.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
So many cool bands I'm finding Dude, that is
fucking going to be.
Oh, I'm jamming it all weekend.
Dude, we're jamming it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Oh yes.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Yeah, we're rerunning that later on.
Rerunning it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Rerunning Adding to a playlist yes, yes, I've already
followed you guys on the InstaInstant love.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
I don't know if you're excited about this band.
Yes, that was more charismaticthan anything I need today.
Woo Woo, I had to give them awoo.
Man, I had to give them a woo.
Yes, they were woo-worthy.
Well, thank you for your story,lindsay.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
Well, it's going to continue for the next couple of
weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Round one.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Round one.
We're going to title this oneJimba I think jimba won this
round well, up until the end upuntil the end.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Yeah, with the, the plants and the, yeah, yeah, the
rotten chicken guts and yeah,that will, yeah, that'll
continue oh that was a greatending song.
Absolutely Great job Crushed it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
Bad ass, your rideability, your studio.
And now I'm going to dive intoeverything about Ignisence.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Everything is just perfect.
If you come to Florida, we'regoing to see you?
Yes, we're going to see you.
That was hot.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
I want to know what that means.
What.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Ignisence means.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
It means emitting sparks of fire.
Whoa, yes, that's awesome yeah,so follow these guys if you
enjoyed their sound.
Yeah, I mean female frontedfrom chicago.
Yeah, um, her name is jenniferbenson.
Good job, good Benson.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Good job.
Good job, Jennifer you fuckingRock Rock.
Good, it's good, it's very good.
In light of all of that andending with all of that, yeah,
we'll see you with the nextepisode next Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
Yes, where we continue on the road to
Jonestown, which is the name ofthe book that I'm listening to
actively right now.
Yes, on audiobook.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
To get my information all right.
And, uh, as always, don't drinkthe kool-aid.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
We'll see you next friday don't drink the flavor
aid bye.

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