EPISODE 40: JIMS DECK IS FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT! JIM JONES PART 3

The story of Jim Jones unfolds like a slow-motion car crash you can't look away from - and in this third installment of our deep dive, we're witnessing the chilling acceleration toward disaster.

Lindsay guides us through the People's Temple's 1970s transformation from apparent social justice movement to full-blown cult, revealing how Jones built a financial empire generating the equivalent of $1.7 million annually from his devoted followers. We examine the extraordinary manipulation tactics - from staged healing ceremonies where "cancer" was dramatically removed from audience members, to requiring members to sign away all rights to their donations.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Jesse.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Hello Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
What are you drinking today?
I've got.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
It's a Cosmic Vibe and Crown.
So it's a Cosmic Crown in my noQuarters.
No Mercy cup.
What about you?
What?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
are you drinking, love it?
So I've got a mixture of mymango white claws that always
get rejected, so I decided tomix them with peach mango energy
, energy drink packet.
Yeah, and with some sparklingwater like.
I made a whole thing over here.
I love it and my heart's racing.

(00:40):
Life is good.
That means I'm alive, rightenergy and alcohol.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
That's what I'm on Celsius Cosmic vibes.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, so we had the grandbabies last night and we
have been at the Springs andhanging out with the fam all day
today.
I did take a nap on the wayhome, I did not.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Thank you, jesse, I did not, but.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Passenger princess will be right back.
You had two hours more sleepthan I did last night.
Your girl couldn't fall asleeptill 1.30 because I had a Lonnie
last night at six o'clock tomake sure, because I was dead
yesterday, like I didn't want todo nothing because it's that
time of the month and I didn'twant to do anything.
Wake up, wake up, wake up.
It's that time of the month andI didn't want to do anything.
Wake up, wake up wake up yeahhey bone thugs.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
And harmony is on tour again I.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
I did my workout, I made our river food.
I made a cake for my son.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
We celebrated his 24th birthday did that make you
feel old, lindsey?

Speaker 1 (01:41):
well, that was gonna get there, okay, but I still
kicked all the ass.
But then when I was done withall that and after I made the
cake and it was so hot havingthe oven on in 100 degree
weather I was like fuck this,I'm not cooking.
And now for the money we spenton DoorDash last night.
I'm wishing I had a cooked.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
We could have cooked like nine steaks.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
No, we couldn't have cooked.
We could have cooked like ninesteaks.
No, we couldn't have.
You don't grocery shop, youhave no idea.
Ten dollar steaks hundreddollars.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Where's?

Speaker 1 (02:10):
ten dollar steaks they don't have steaks for ten
bucks not the ones I want to eatoh yeah, that's like a chuck
steak I would have been nottheir damn ribeye, I would have
been happy dude not me.
I don't like no chuck chewy asssteak anyways okay so I kicked
ass yesterday and then I waslike fuck life and but I still
had to get the grandbabiesbecause I love them and it was

(02:31):
time for a visit.
So I drank a cherry slush alaniwith my door dash arby's and I
was up to 130, almost two Iasked out at 11.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, but uh, the kids, 99.9% of the grandkids
were asleep.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Oh yeah, I think the oldest.
She was awake until 1130.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Oh, so it wasn't too bad.
You were just sitting there,wide-eyed and bushy-tailed, yeah
.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
And then I escaped to our room about an hour after
you had already went in thereand watched some Modern Family
did some squats and some plankstrying to run that out.
Really, you was working out.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
So did I serenade you , did I keep time.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
No, you were snoring, that's what I figured the
loudest I was like fuck.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
So you were rowing the boat and I was keeping time.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
And then 4.30, creepy kid right in my face.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
You screamed I did scream.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, I love her.
I was like, yep, I was like Iscreamed and they cuddled her
right in.
I didn't scare her, she scaredthe shit out of me.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
I'm surprised, because I used to scare silas
when he would do that I lovebabies with big eyes, man, they
just show up right in your faceat four o'clock in the morning
and just looking at you andthey're like can I come late?
Yeah, but you gotta rub my back.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
She was like come on.
Chima, chima and I'm like, ah,that was cool.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
But happy Friday everybody.
We're gonna get that introgoing, we're going right now
we're going right, motherfuckingnow.
Happy Friday.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Hey, right Turn, clyde.
That's what Jesse's shirt says.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
You like my shirt.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
So, lindsay, I didn't tell you what made me feel old.
I well, I really didn't umtechnically ask you, yet you
jumped ahead.
What made me feel old is myoldest child is 24.
Yeah, so what made you feel old?

Speaker 3 (04:42):
I feel old.
I give you your notes.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
I really do that you typed at the top of mine I'm
plugging in her notes these days.
Yeah, it's okay, Same paper.
I don't read them though.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
No, I'm like, let me read it.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
No, he loves to be surprised, you guys.
He genuinely does never want toknow what's going on.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
So you do remember as being a kid right, a week took
forever, it did, it did.
A year was a lifetime.
Now it seems like a week wastwo minutes, like the whole damn
week flies by so damn fast,like the older you get, the more
time flies.
And it's true, right.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Well, I was just thinking about that the other
day A car trip, because we havefamily in Lakeland and we would
go there frequently.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
You, feel like that shit took a week to get there,
but now we could go back.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
We could go to Lakeland and back in a day and
it would be nothing.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
We'd day trip that shit and be like, hey, we're
done, yeah, I mean we go toTampa for concerts?

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, all the time Collectively three hours a day.
Went to the river did a wholelike nothing but I remember that
trip used to feel like it wasnever going to end.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
But you was, you was awake and you was looking around
yes couldn't wait to see mycousin every moment.
Yeah, me I'm driving and you'resleeping now, so it's great
that was just today.
I know, usually it's not, I'mjust giving you a little shit
back there on the passenger.
Gothic princess, though, and ifI changed the radio while

(06:09):
you're dead ass asleep, all thelady Gaga, your ass fucking
wakes up.
At a dead ass.
I mean morbidly sleeping overthere in rigor mortis.
Oh, why'd you change that?
I'm like what do you changedthe Gaga?
Well, I wanted to sing tofucking Whitney Houston, okay it
wasn't Whitney Houston, it wasfucking Beyonce and Jay-Z.

(06:33):
Well, I did, and you didn't evenwake up when I was singing.
I Want to Dance with Somebody.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
And I was out, but I know when Gaga is playing.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
The whole time I'm like.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
I want to dance with somebody.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
And then when they're like juking and everybody's
asleep just heads bobbing in theback and I'm like cool, I want
to dance with somebody.
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
With somebody who loves me.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
I did the whole thing , dude.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, because when the night comes, I'm having a
hot dude.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, because when the night comes, I'm having a
hot flash, you guys.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
I'm sorry, Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Can I turn that fan on?
No, our microphones are pickingup.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Okay, all right, lindsay's flashing me.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Hot flash.
The underneath of my legs havejust instantly started like
pouring sweat, it's this cornerdude this time of year, Our
little stories.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
I feel the inferno inside of me.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Well, no, I'm burning up too.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Oh, are you?
Okay, maybe I'm not hotblushing.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
It's this kitchen corner over here.
The story is from the corner.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Why have we never noticed it until last week and
this week?

Speaker 3 (07:41):
It is 120 degrees out .

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Oh, that's why.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
I'm messing up my mic .
It's 120 out right now.
Yeah, it's hot as shit.
Hot as balls, dude.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Alright, you guys, I need y'all, I need my audience
to participate in a little game.
If you have listened to partone and two of our Jim Jones
saga thus far, leave us acomment on whatever app that you
listen to us on, and leave us areview, if you like it, because
today we're going to end uppart three, dun dun dun.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
So I have so much to still cover you guys.
I'm way up in Jim Jones'butthole in these books.
Yeah, like.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
She has been living the life.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
I have been and I mean and I'm not hating it all
the way Like I'm riveted, likeI'm very intrigued and
interested.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
More shocked than you thought you would be.
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, and I've listened to a lot of coverage on
this fucker and there's more.
There's so much more and therewill be more that I can ever
cover for you guys.
So I will definitely recommendthe books and the authors and
I'm gonna give you a review, ofwhich one I like better.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Um, on next week's episode, yeah, see, I'm I'm not
supposed to know, but I havewatched a doc.
I've seen a couple of things.
Oh, it's a very popular case.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
You're going to know some of the ones I talk about
but you never know all the dirt.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
I feel like you're fitting a drop, cause you were
like dude, I got some audio thatyou're going to do I'm going to
do later on as well, in themiddle of this pod.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
So we're going to do some reviews.
Oh God, we got a fly buzzing inhere.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
It's a fruit fly dude , it is.
We have plants.
Yes, they live in our plants.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Okay, so if you need a recap, please go back and
listen to part one and two andleave us a comment on those two
and tell us what you arethinking so far.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
So we're getting off in the deck of general.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yes, so now the People's Temple are living the
socialism commune life in Ukiah,California.
Their church is in RedwoodValley.
Recruitment of new members,particularly from black churches
in San Francisco, was on therise.
There were healings and cancerremovals Not really and even

(10:10):
resurrections from the dead.
What Now?
It is said um that what wouldhappen in these was Jim's is
like cause, you know, by thistime he's got, he's got nurses
and shit working for himfollowing him.
He's got nurses, he's gotdoctors, so they show up,
they're like, nope, he's dead,all right.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
And then, like 30 minutes later, you're healed.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
They said that they were like giving these folks
tranquilizers so they would lookdead.
These were definitely like Isaid, all performances by Jim's
closest circle Patti, cartonelleand now a few others are Jim's
eyes and ears so that he couldpoint someone out in the
audience and tell them somethingpersonal about themselves that

(10:56):
they did not think he would haveknown about them.
Sermons were absolute marathons.
People would hold theirbladders and pass out from
exhaustion because Jim didn'tput a time limit on anything.
It's even said that he wasrelieving himself because he's
got a pulpit, that there was alittle pee-pee door.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
He was just going.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
And fuck the rest of his congregation.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
He's good he's being back there.
Was he yayed up in that deal?

Speaker 1 (11:28):
We're going to get there.
We're going to get there, butfirst I want to have you play
some of the audio from thesehealing sermons.
So go to your messages and Ihave sent you.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
That's why my phone was vibrating Okay.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
So the one that I sent you first I think it is
nine minutes long is the onewe're going to play first.
Okay, so hang tight everybodyand listen to the audio of Jim
Jones's little compilation ofsome healing services.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
This is some old stuff.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
This is what I grew up in right here.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Got the hands and the air.
Excuse my cough.
Oh, that screaming is theappearance of Jim Jones at the
podium.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Oh, so he showed up.
So everybody went crazy.
Yeah, oh, shh, there he isFather Jones.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
Father Jones, with fond embrace, a salutary kiss of
greeting to your neighbor.
Let's fill this atmosphere withwarmth and love.
Now, as we meditate, god islove.

(13:26):
Love is a healing remedy.
We're going to reach out toareas where man has seemed to
have difficulty.
As we concentrate that thegifts of the Holy Spirit might
function, are what thesecularists might speak of as
the paranormal.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Let us believe he's like the Elvis of the church
Right.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
Most definitely Sister Ingram.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Right.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
You're concerned about the losing of your sight.
You're not able to see meclearly.
Things just blur to you.
You have to stumble aroundlately through crowds and are
not able to see even people'sfaces close up to you.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
You can hear a rat piss on cotton while he's
talking.
That's true.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
You've told me nothing about your condition.
No, I haven't Give that littlesweetheart a little bit of love.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
She pissed on cotton.
Thank you, baby, oh gosh.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
Now Take your glasses off.
Let's just dare in our faith.
We've seen Sister Brown here,who was blind, totally healed.
Saw one of our sisters BlindFrom her childhood.
It could be hystericalblindness, whatever, we're not
concerned.
She was blind, totally healed.
I saw one of our sisters blindfrom her childhood.
It could be hystericalblindness, whatever, we're not
concerned.
She was blind and could not see.
Now look at my face.

(15:14):
I'm going to hold up somefingers.
You concentrate hard,concentrate hard.
I love you, the people love you.
Most importantly, christ lovesyou.
What do you see?
How?

Speaker 2 (15:33):
many fingers.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Three.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
We witnessed a miracle.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Right there, the a-year-tip, one finger.
Wow, we witnessed a miracle.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
Right there, the aegotips one finger wow let's
all be thankful as she criesback there.
Let's cry and rejoice with her.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Edie, this is a different one.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
Forever Are your fingers numb In your left hand.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Having enormous headaches in your head.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yes, reach your hands out, I have headaches in your
head.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
Reach your hand out to me, reach the fingers out
that are bothering you.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Now is the pain gone, he's healed again.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Oh yeah, and this was like what I grew up with
Somebody be healed and the bandwould play.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
So people would be healed in front of you.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Really yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
Wow, did you once lose a loved one?
I think the name of Jamesamesyes, that's my brother was 14
years of age and someone.
He was reading something andsomeone asked him for what he
had and he, he didn't want togive it.

(17:41):
Yes, yes, he did, and thatperson shot him today.
Yes he did.
Yes, he did.
I'm saying this to give youfaith, so that you can mount up,
because you've been feelingpain here in the chest, yes, and
in the back, yes, and youinjured your foot some time ago
yes, he did, and you've beenhaving constant pain.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
He's dealing aces and you had to move dealing with
the chair well, he's got hiseyes and ears told me or no one
else all around the crowd beforewhen everybody's coming in now,
where's your pain?

Speaker 3 (18:19):
look at her dancing.
That's called adrenaline.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Adrenaline, placebo, psychosomatic oh my God, Got a
nice little band they put outsome albums too.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
The band looks like the Beatles.
The second row.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
You have a bad spinal condition, yeah, and your hip
is injured, yeah, step from yourwheelchair.
Begin to step from yourwheelchair Now.
This is dangerous.
Oh, just try it.
Just try it, we have nothing tolose.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
He's making this woman walk and she really can't.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
We're no panacea, really, but I have seen more
healings here than I've everseen anyplace.
I love you.
Jesus Christ loves you.
Jehovah Jireh, all the goodnessof all the world's great
religions.
In the name of the mercy andthe goodness of Jesus, wherein I

(19:29):
stand, come forth my dear,stand up, take that step, bless
your heart.
Take that step.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
That's quite a run.
Okay, that's called running.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
Okay, now Move forward, move forward, move
forward.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Move forward, move forward, move forward.
You can do it.
Move forward, move forwardChild, see how close you are.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
Just a moment, sir.
I can just keep my arms tallNow.
Now, I watched this previously.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
She looks like she's about to fall down, don't she?
Yeah, she's going on.
Pure adrenaline right now.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
She's going to cause more damage.
She's going.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
It's later debunked, by the way, really yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
She ran Lindsay.
She ran that's a plant.
Oh wait a minute.
Oh not her.
I want to eat her cooking.
I know she looks like she canthrow down in a kitchen, yeah
that's a plant.

(21:05):
She's a plant.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
So this is most likely, or that last one that we
watched.
You can watch that on YouTube.
It's like a 10-minutecompilation of healing services.
Now that says that it's at thetemple, but that's actually most
likely at one of the revivalsin other cities, because he
would have plants in those towow the rest of the crowd.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
So that whole thing of her getting up and moving,
that was all a plant.
It looked genuine Like this oldwoman.
I mean she looked like sureenough she knows how to throw
down in the kitchen.
Just just amazing, just genuine, beautiful plant of jim jones's

(21:53):
deck.
Jim jones the ace just throwingaces out of the deck.
I mean that is insane.
Like I genuinely would havethought that that was a real
thing, Like.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
I grew up in this.
I grew up in this environment.
I grew up going to churchesthat would have healing.
I'm doing air quotes um wholesermons.
So now that I'm an adult and Ilook back, how did the fuck did
they know that they were?
Anybody was going to get?
Oh, cause it was planned.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Oh, so I get adrenaline and things like it's
gonna make you like, because Imean those people were in it, it
was like elvis in there, and Imean and honestly, I can tell
you right now, being in a partof a service like that, you it,
you feel like you're amped up,you're amped up, there's energy

(22:42):
and it's wild like.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
It's almost like a type of witchcraft.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Well, you were told, though, when you're going there,
that the spirit's going to bethere.
The Holy Spirit is going to behere.
It's going to be inside thisbuilding today, right in front
of you.
You're fixing to grab the HolySpirit and embrace it.
If you have a belief, you'regoing to think that You're going
to be like, holy shit, it'sreally happening.
This is really going down.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
He is a Middle Eastern preacher that my parents
followed very a lot and wewould go to his traveling Jim
Jones show.
I mean because I'm literallycomparing what I witnessed with
my own eyes to what this sameman did in the sixties and

(23:26):
seventies and it's very similar.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
So you've been to an Epic evangelist before like big
popular ones, lots of them.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
I've been to Kenneth Copeland sermons.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Is that the blow?
The?

Speaker 1 (23:40):
I blow the breath of God on you.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
You've seen him before His face is.
So I've seen.
I've seen Kim.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Copeland, Gloria Copeland, his wife.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
You've seen him in the flesh.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
All of the oh yeah, We've went to their conventions.
Yes.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
And they're like, call it, like like concerts.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Right 50,000 people.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
The energy in there is just insane.
I've been to everybody paid 150to get in.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, I don't know what my parents pay, but you
know we went.
Yeah, there's no price for yoursoul, right?
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (24:11):
so that was all kind of triggering for me watching
that, because that is what Igrew up in, I've witnessed, so
that same you left for me fromseeing the most iconic
evangelist that there is toseeing the most iconic bands
that there is.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
You're like I've seen Ozzy Osbourne.
Well, I've seen Copeland overhere, so it's like oh wow, Ozzy
Osbourne way, way better energy.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
I didn't know, this is a realization right now.
Lindsay to me right now Ithought that I told you about
others.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
You've never told me you've seen the big dogs before.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Oh, I've seen the big dogs live in action.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
You've seen miracles.
Lindsay Wow, First hands.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
I can't take it no more.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
I mean, I grew up going to a mini mega church, so
yeah, I can't take it, dude, youreally have oh.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
I grew up going to a mini mega church.
I mean, the great thing, thegreat thing about all that now
is, your dad does not evenparticipate and know that shit
no more oh, no, no, no he done,growed up yes oh I mean, but
it's like.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
It's just like being a fan of a, a big band like we
you know it was that's what I'm,that's what I'm comparing it to
, for sure, full-on yeah, fully.
It's like going to a legend, alegends concert.
Do you feel like they were?

Speaker 3 (25:37):
throwing cards your way too, like they were throwing
.
Oh, I've had, I've been.
Hands have been laid on me andyou're just like and I'm going
to share this story.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
I've thought about it all week and I'm going to go
ahead and do it.
So when I was growing up I hadbladder issues and I mean I
still do, but not like I didwhen I was younger, Like I still
have.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, you have to pee like every 30 minutes and pee a
lot.
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Well, when I was growing, up, I would wet the bed
and it was because of my sleep.
I sleep so deeply and mychildren have suffered from it,
my sisters, everything.
Well, I got hands laid on me byGod knows how many preachers
telling me that I was healed,but guess what?

(26:23):
I never was.
I grew out of it.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
But my parents spend money, I mean my, parents took
me to doctors.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
There is pills that I had.
I mean remember we struggledwith the same thing with one of
mine had to take him, and I wasnever hard on him and they said
it was genetic.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Let's just try to do this.
But we would catch him sneakinglate at night and drinking
water.
I'm like your body can't dothat, dude, you can't do that.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, I've had preachers like Jim Jones the big
dogs lay hands on me and tellme that I was healed.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
So the most iconic ones that are still right now
rolling, yeah, the mega churches, the big ones.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Have touched me, they have laid hands on me.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
So now it's like seeing the tool Told me I was
healed.
The tool of all the tools, likethe Metallica of all the
megatrackers.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
I experienced the in-mayored was way cooler.
Yeah, so that was my littlestory, with all of that, and
that was you got an idea.
Now we're going to play somemore of his clips later on and
you can tell how different theybecome.
Okay, so by 1969, there were500 weekly attendees, whereas

(27:36):
the year before it had only beenabout 100.
Now, around this time thesummer of 69, which was not as
cool for Marceline Jones as itwas for Brian Adams Marceline's
back gave out and she wasbedridden quite a bit and she
was no longer able to sexuallymeet the needs of Jim.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Oh, and he was always in, it wasn't he?

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Jim's thoughts on sex wavered to his congregation
from one week to the next, likeliterally.
Sometimes he said that theyshould be celibate and they
should definitely not bereproducing because there are
way too many starving childrenin the world that needed
adopting.
So that's how you should make afamily.
And then there were times wherehe was like you should practice

(28:23):
free love with others in thecommune, not just your own
husband and wife.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
So he was wishy-washy with his unstable sexual
appetite.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
There was a couple named Larry and Carolyn Layton
that had been devoted followerssince the temple moved to Ukiah
and they had only been marriedsince 1967.
So they're still kind ofnewlyweds, you know, because
back then you know, you met, youmarried like not where as you
and I like met and livedtogether for 12 years and then

(28:54):
got married, like they werestill a new couple, okay.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
We had both been married before.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
So it was just like right, right, right.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
This out for a while, yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
So Larry had worked at a mental hospital and Carolyn
was a high school teacher, NowJim.
He could have had his pick ofany woman in the temple by this
time, as they all adored him asyou saw?

Speaker 3 (29:17):
I seen they were like dude if he would have spit on
the floor they would have beenlike every woman in the people's
temple.
Look at Jim Jones.
Yeah, oh my God, he looked likeI mean, oh man, he was the
paraphernalia of the whole thing, man, the whole.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Well, Jim, he chose Carolyn, Another man's wife.
Oh, her looks would bedescribed of those.
Her looks would be described ofthose.
Her looks would be described asthe woman from the american
gothic painting, but younger anduh, yeah, but she, uh, she was

(29:57):
only 24 and um, but I guess shewas like stiff and rigid, is
that older woman in the paintingwas, and, and she wore her hair
in a tight bun.
So this 24-year-old woman wascompared to the lady in American
Gothic painting.
If you don't know what that is,please Google it right now.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
So Jim and his amazing deck did not trade up on
the steel?

Speaker 1 (30:20):
No, because, marceline, you saw pictures of
her.
Yeah, beautiful, beautifulwoman.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Well, he couldn't heal her yeah beautiful.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Beautiful woman.
So Well he couldn't heal her.
Come on now.
He didn't lay hands on her andheal her and make her beautiful.
I don't guess he cared no, I'mtalking about his old lady's
wife Like he couldn't heal her.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Oh my God.
I didn't even think about that.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Yeah, well, if he can make people walk and get rid of
cancer.
Why couldn't you heal?

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Marceline Jimothy.
Like what's happening here.
Ah so Jim had Patty Cartineautalk to Carolyn Layton or talk
Carolyn Layton into having thisaffair with him, and she
actually wasn't about it atfirst, but she came around.
Was that in the name of Jesustoo?
Well, that's it.
Patty told Carolyn that fatherneeded her.

(31:05):
He needs you, carolyn.
Now, patty.
She really she wanted Jim, butshe just did all his other stuff
, marceline.
He went and told her straightup you can't, we can't do this,
we can't do the things.
So I got to go, I got to go outand I got to do them with
somebody else.
She was like, okay, well, no,she actually like was really

(31:28):
distraught about it, thoughtabout leaving.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
She probably thought he could have healed her ass too
.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
He told Marceline that he still loved her and they
would stay married to keep thetemple together.
She would still have her roleas mother, but he had to have
his needs met and Jim convincedLarry to go and get a quick
divorce and that he could havehis pick of another wife with
anybody in the temple.

(31:54):
And when he returned fromNevada handling the divorce, he
did this, that he got adifferent one.
He actually upgraded, got amore attractive to the eye
partner.
Yeah, what, right.
So then Jim tells his childrenabout the affair.
He's like okay, kids, mommy'sback is broken so I need a new

(32:18):
girlfriend to satisfy my sexualneeds, but mommy and I are still
gonna stay together.
Now I'm paraphrasing there, butthat's pretty much how it went
down.
And, like poor steven, he wouldlike hear carolyn and jim going
at it.
Yeah, yeah, that's in the book.
In those books like I'mbumfuzzled, I know now Larry got

(32:39):
his new wife and her name wasKaren Toe and she was, by all
accounts, like I said, moreattractive than Carolyn and way
more vivacious.
Like I said, he upgraded so Jimwould split his time up with
Carolyn and then with his familyand then, of course, the temple
, only getting about three orfour hours of sleep per day.
When all of this was presentedto the congregation, they all

(33:02):
went along with it.
Now, the congregation, it wasgrowing and Jim wanted to make
sure his longtime followers werenot discussing inside business
with outsiders.
Women were now placed at thedoors as greeters and they would
kindly stop newcomers andcarefully screen them before
they could attend the service.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Oh, seeing if there was some good stuff to grab.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Or if they were going to be troublemakers.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Now sometimes newcomers would be told this is
a closed meeting and you canreturn at another time.
You can return when there's adifferent service that you can
possibly be a part of.
When we're ready for you andyour way of thinking, you can
come back.
Right, because it's all a show.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
A theme park.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Now, and I mean they would if there was red flags,
you know, or green flags period.
They would share all theirnotes with Jim and he would
decide, along with the innercircle, if they were invited to
return.
He only wanted positive,widespread of his cause and
fought very hard to keep it thatway.

(34:10):
The temple was very, you know,like I said, very involved in
the community.
They were still doing the goodwork for the poor and the needy
and Jim was keeping up hisreputation as a great
humanitarian.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
It's the machine he has built a machine.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Machine For real, Like it's literally a circle.
It's just they're constant,they're donating, they're giving
back, they're, you know,donating, taking in donating.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
It's just a machine yeah, they got it.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Now Temple members would regularly deliver baked
goods to city and countyofficials.
I know that there was.
They had this thing where theymade sure that they knew
everybody in offices' birthdaysand those people would get the
people that shared their sameviews Like you know, mostly

(34:57):
libertarians or people that wereon the socialist bandwagon.
They would make sure that theygot some delicious baked goods
from the good women at People'sTemple.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
All the good, good, good, yes, good good.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
The temple formed a drug rehabilitation program
focused on teens that gained therespect of outsider parents in
the area.
This was a cold turkey methodno methadone to wean you off,
and after all the withdrawalsymptoms had subsided like.
I don't know if you've everwitnessed that before, but it is
not pretty.
They would take them in andmove them into temple homes

(35:32):
temporarily, and then someone,some would remain and live
communally, and then some theywould just go on back to their
regular lives.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Right, but if you're going through all that at one
time, like if somebody juststeps in and becomes a good
mentor or something like that,you're going to embrace all of
their theories and things.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
The physical toll that withdrawals has on your
body.
It can be dangerous.
Well, it's fight or flight.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Like you're really to feed into that, either negative
or positive.
If it's a positive way, you gotthem in the palm of your hand,
right, right, that's what I'mseeing the machine.
What a machine.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
I'm raging against it well, yeah, well, yeah, because
, well, yeah, because you've gotthem almost dependent on you as
well.
Yeah, by 1970, jim had TimStone, the very brilliant lawyer
, as his right-hand man.
I talked about him a little bitin last week's episode.
Now a new air quotes donationsdocument was drawn up for every

(36:38):
member to sign, saying thatanything given to the church was
no longer theirs, and if theychose to leave or their
membership was terminated, theycould not ask for any of these
items or money that they haddonated back.
This paperwork would be signedby each member and notarized.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
All legal, yeah, all legal.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Well, this is also starting to really be a cult.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Right, the snowball is running downhill, yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
The expected tithing was at least 10%, but 25% became
the norm.
Items donated would, just likewe said, go right back into the
church and the community and itwas a full circle.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
We couldn't fucking afford 25% of our no, no, you're
not getting it.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
You're not Okay, no, no no, well, if you're living
communally.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Right, and you're getting 25%.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
you're getting meals three meals a day, cooked by the
temple women.
You know you're getting.
All your utilities are paid forSocialism.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Right, it's social.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Jim would guest speak at other churches, which would
bring in more money, Because youknow they always pass that
extra offering plate around forthe guest preacher.
I don't know if you'vewitnessed that.
I have.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Extra, extra.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Read all about it, you get one around for the
regular church right after thechoir sings and then after the
guest preacher preaches.
Then you get that secondoffering prayer.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Yeah, where I've been , it's like non-spoken A gift of
love.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah if you can give a gift of love, if you could buy
this man a chicken dinner afterchurch, yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Yeah times $2,000.
Right, you know what's betterthan a crawfish dinner?
Two crawfish dinners, oh my God.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
His guest speaking would also bring in more members
to the People's Temple.
More people with money arejoining, like lawyers, business
owners and college professors.
Jim would gain a full team oflawyers and advisors.
People were giving their pinkslips to their car, valuable
family heirlooms and deeds toproperty.

(38:47):
Just here you go, father.
Wow.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Yeah, you know, and honestly, around that time
people did have some things, youknow.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Oh yeah, there were.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
you know, there was a big, prosperous community on
top of there was also a bigcommunity that was kind of they
weren't doing well, so he couldplay both sides and come up
either way, somebody that's justgoing through all the racial
inequality and everything thatthey're having to deal with and
then he's bringing them up andhe's also grabbing folks that

(39:20):
have things and they're justthrowing it right at the church
right and they would use, youknow, the donated cars, like
everybody would use and theywould share this, this, these
vehicles to make sure that theygot to work or to other um other
of jim jones's gigs, like theywould have like a caravan
sometimes to go to some of hissermons in, like San Francisco

(39:40):
and Los Angeles and things likethat.
They had means to go to all thefunctions and just travel in big
groups to support and hisplants were all going with him.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Now, this really reminded me of the end timers.
So the People's Temple wouldhave many businesses in the area
, like a ranch for troubled kids, which I don't think Meade had
any of that shit, but I'm not100% sure.
But as far as I know right nowthey ran our whole town oh yeah,
but they had nursing homes,laundromat, print shop and all

(40:11):
ran by Temple members.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
And our town actually had a small town cult.
So check that out.
We just did a pod on that God.
Not just it, no, it's smalltown cult, so check that out.
We just did a pod on that Godnot just.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
No, it's been a while , it's one of the earlier
episodes.
Yeah, go back in our log, ourback Check out our small town
cult.
Hometown cult, hometown cult.
Yeah, it's what it's called.
Well, it's still a small town,hometown.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
All the towns.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
I know A lot of similarities.
They had hundreds of businessesand they drove caddies.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
They all drove caddies they were not about that
.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
I mean, they were kind of like socialists, but
they were like upgradedsocialists.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
No, it was because I heard that they were taking
their whole check and justdumping it into the church and
then the church would take careof them.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah, but they were all in debt, but they were
bougie.
They were bougie, yeah, butthey were all in debt, but they
were bougie.
They were bougie and Jim wasnot about that.
Bougie life, okay, you couldnot be bourgeois at the People's
Temple.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
He'd say bourgeois, like that oh yeah, bourgeois,
bourgeois, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
So I did mention it earlier but here is where I
officially wrote it.
Jim would also have a SanFrancisco, los Angeles and
Seattle branches of the People'sTemple.
Now one or two times a month hewould go to these locations.
Then pictures of Jim would befor sale for $5, because just

(41:32):
having a picture of him inpreacher robes with outstretched
hands could bring healing intoyour household.
So some people were buying likemultiple.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Put one in every room .

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Put one in every room , baby.
Okay, now we'll put a pictureof what it looks like in our
Instagram stories.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
So I'm going to buy one of those and put it above
our bed on the ceiling.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
I kind of want one for real Not above our head?

Speaker 3 (41:57):
No, I want it in our room.
No, it's not.
It's not happening, dude.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
You have a Jim Jones shirt.
Why can't I have a Jim Jonespicture?
I?

Speaker 3 (42:08):
designed a Jim Jones shirt.
I'm thinking about putting iton our stuff to sell.
Well, guess what we got merch Ijust did some new merch too.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
The sales of these pictures, sometimes in one
service, could bring in $2,000to $3,000.
Jesse, this was the 70s.
What?
This is the early 70s.
I'm going to Google, hey Google.
What would $3,000 in 1970 be intoday's money?

Speaker 3 (42:40):
It's thinking $3,000 in 1970 would be approximately's
money.
It's thinking $3,000 in 1970would be approximately $25,170.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
What, what?
That's the spending power.
What Of $3,000.
Half of my salary.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Half of my salary.
Lindsay, that's Jim Jones.
You just fucking puddled meright there.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
I know, did you just poop in your pants?

Speaker 3 (43:08):
No, I'm turning sideways because this is have
you not noticed, this is mypuddle, look.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yes, it is.
He's turning to the side and Iwas like are you okay?
Did you shart?
Oh my God.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Did you shart over that?
No, I just did not know themachine was getting that big.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
That was one service, jesse Wow, one service, jim
Jones pictures.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
All the merch, all the stuff, just.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Oh yeah, he got paid just to be there too, and of
course he had his sermons ontape, like they all do, because
they all have the sound of theirown fucking voice.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
You can buy the tape for a low cost of $19.99.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Now that we have been shocked and awed at that.
So college programs were formedand tuition would be paid and
housing provided.
Again, jim is corrupt, but goodthings are happening
nonetheless.
By 1973, church revenue wasreported at $300,000 annually,

(44:08):
and that would be $1.7 millionin today's spending power with
2,500 members.
So he was Metallica,metallica's way cooler.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Yeah, but I mean he was like the Metallica of the.
He's the Black Sabbath closerto the period, the ACDC.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, because Metallica went until the 80s.
Yeah, he was Black Sabbath Forsure he was.
Led Zepp.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Yeah, he was Queen in Of the preaching world.
He was Queen in.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Queen, I was 75.
I want to say that's when.
That's when they blew up.
Yeah, yeah, so he's good, yeah,he's almost there.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Wow, elton John.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Now the temple would bring in runaways, troubled
teens and people just lookingfor answers, because cults were
big and those days we're goingto cover more in the future, be
ready for that.
And they would always get help,food and clothing.
But they were definitelyrequired to work and to attend

(45:10):
all services and open templemeetings Like they would have
some closed ones, but opentemple meetings you better have
your ass in that seat.
There was always someone tohelp and chores to be done.
Now, jim barely slept, soeveryone else felt like they
needed to match that energy.
Jim said it was an honor towork yourself to exhaustion for

(45:31):
the cause and by this time therewere all night guards
protecting the commune not armed, not yet anyway and each member
was now issued a membershipcard.
You had an ID, you had amembership card.
You're fully devoted.
Yes, jim had become quiteparanoid about government

(45:53):
infiltration.
That's why they issued thesemembership cards and also had
the temple members afraid ofthis as well.
He was establishing an usversus them mentality and you
know, as we have alreadydiscussed this in the past,
nothing good comes of thatmentality.
No, I think I'm paranoid.
Yes, you shouldn't be spendingmoney on anything outside of the

(46:18):
commune and don't fraternizewith your outsider coworkers,
because you could revealsomething that was going on in
the commune that an outsiderwouldn't understand.
Right and it could be usedagainst them.
Nobody needs to know.
They business Right.
Don't stay the fuck up out mybusiness, my business, yeah,
absolutely no.
Alcohol, drugs or cigaretteswere permitted.

(46:40):
No romantic relationshipseither.
Now, if you had already joinedthe temple as a couple, you were
OK, but if not, you were tostay single and work, bitch you
can't be a hypocrite, come on.
Oh, yeah, yeah OK.
Every single church is built onhypocrisy.
Every single church is built onhypocrisy, but anyways.

(47:01):
So this man had people braggingand trying to one up each other
on how little sleep they weregetting each night.
Isolation and exhaustion aretwo major factors on how you
really can get your grip onpeople and have them under your
control.
Keeping them poor and keepingthem tired.

(47:21):
They will never leave.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
That is a quote.
Control by exhaustion andoppression.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Then Jim took his show on the road, equipped with
a band and, of course, plants toperform the healings.
As that was a little bit yeah,we're getting the band back
together.
That was a little bit.
Yeah, we're getting the bandback together.
Now, these plants got so goodthat Jim would call out a non
temple member at one of theseout of town services and tell
them that they had cancer andthat they did not know about it.

(47:53):
And then his anointed nurse wasgoing to come and remove it for
them and the unexpectedattendee would all of a sudden
have chicken guts in their mouthand, of course, they would gag
and spit it up and, hallelujah,the cancer is gone.
And the band would play and thenhe would preach, you know about

(48:16):
the Bible a little bit and theywould dance.
Oh, they would dance, they woulddance.
Now, his main mission, ofcourse, was to preach about how
the world is at war andconcentration camps were coming
to America.
But if you join our commune oflove and racial equality, you
might escape that fate.

(48:36):
There are members with me rightnow to tell you how amazing it
is and please donate what youcan to help our cause.
And then they would get back onthe bus and count the money and
head home and get back to work.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Wow yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
A lot of work Wow.
Yes, so I said earlier that Jimhad a team of advisors and a
planning commission and lawyersat his side, but he still had to
have as much control overeverything as possible.
He worked long days and barelyslept, and that will take a toll

(49:13):
on your body, no matter what.
Yeah.
You know, especially he'sgetting older.
He's like in his late 30s atthis time.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
So, in order to stay energetic, he had to rely on
some help.
Ooh, even Jesus got tired.
The help was calledamphetamines, quaaludes and
barbiturates Yee, secretly givento him by physicians who were
happy to help with the cause.
Yee-yee, now this is when hewould start wearing those famous

(49:41):
dark glasses.
Uh-uh, he had to cover up thosebloodshot or wild eyes.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
You brought in an iconic fucking view.
Now the Jim Jones look hasfinally established.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yes, here we are, we're here.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Full deck.
His whole ass.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Oh, we're going to get into his deck real deep here
in a minute.
We're getting in the deck Now.
He said that these glasses wereto shield the regular folks
from the power in his eyes.
He was so powerful that hecould possibly scorch you from
his eyes.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Ooh, he had to.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Like Homelander.
Come on, bitch, remember thatfrom the boys Homelander, yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Fantastic Four too right, wasn't there one that had
to wear the little goggles?

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Oh shit, I don't know I gotta rewatch Fantastic Four.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
He had to wear the special goggles.
Yeah, he'd been reading them,comic books.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Now, all his sermons were recorded and they would
last for hours and some of themyou can tell are drug induced
ramblings and we're going toplay a little bit of those, so
you can see how different Are wegoing to get charismatic?

Speaker 3 (50:56):
He's unchanged.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Oh, it's going to get more charismatic.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
So Jim Jones didn't sleep at all, but now he's
geeked up on some shit and nowhe's got his supervision.
So please, sir, can you kindlyreplay recording number two oh,
this is Jim, supervision Partone.
Oh, I'm so fucking ready forthis.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
Yes, If you want to commit treason, you better be
sure you know what you'redealing with, because after
we're all dead over here, youmight go to a social party.
After you're trying to get yourlittle reward, your little 30
pieces of silver for selling outthe greatest people on earth,
and you walk in with the Judastribe, and the wife of Judas

(51:36):
might be one of the ladies I'dlaid to make a socialist Get him
, Jim, she might give you slowpoison in your champagne.
You don't know how clever I am.
One thing you've all done isunderestimate me.
I made plans for treason longago because I knew I couldn't
trust nothing.
I knew I couldn't trustanything but communism and the

(51:57):
principle in me.
Yes, I knew that that's what Ihad to depend upon, not depend
upon the arm of the flesh.
I never put all your eggs inone basket, so honey.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
I put my eggs in many places.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
You figure that out if you want to.
Some of you are too naive.
You don't know what Jim Jonesis all about.
You can't even follow him.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
You haven't even smelled where he's at job turkey
right now.
Certainly does.
He's throwing some aces.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
You who are stupid piss ants and reptiles and lower
than the primates, you can makea hoopie if you want, but your
hoopie makes me sicky, and soyou can make your hoopie while I
do something that's far moresignificant.
That's shot out.
I got me some big plans, bothhere, there and everywhere.
Got lots of plans there you go.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Wow, both here, there and everywhere, got a lot to
plan there you hear wow, butdon't never say hate is your
enemy.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
Love has practically caused me to just get you
destroyed.
If I had hated a little more,just a little more, we would
have had a little less trouble.
I look at my faults andpolitically sure you got love
principle, but don't say hate ismy enemy.
What they say, what's at words?
Hate is mine and I got a fighta day and night.

(53:30):
One of us out of the line.
Love is the only weapon.
Shit, okay, martin Luther Kingdied with love.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Kennedy died talking about something he couldn't even
understand, some kind ofgeneralized love, and he never
even backed it up.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
He sat down bullshit love is the only weapon with
which I got to fight.
I got a hell of a lot ofweapons to fight.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
I got my claws, I got compasses, I got guns, I got
dynamite.
I got a hell of a lot to fight.
I'll fight, I'll fight, I willfight, I'll fight, I'll fight.
Oh, I will fight, I will fight,I will fight, I will fight.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Whoa yeah, they amped up dude.
Oh, and this is the first timethey've been seeing this
enthusiasm.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
Let them hear it in the night, yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Well, I mean you're all in.
This isn't new, but Church wasnever like this ten years before

(54:53):
this.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
They're all there, they're listening.
Let the night roll with it.
What?

Speaker 3 (55:07):
There's more Is there ?
There's more.
Oh yeah, well, here we go.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
Every day I've lived since I was a child.
First time I felt guilt when alittle dog died.
I wanted to commit suicide.
I had to kill some little dogsand cats alive and had to do it
me alone to take care of them.
At that age that's all thatkept me through.
Then, a little bit later, mymom needed me and some poor soul
down the road needed me.
It was poor minority, beentreated badly, and then you come

(55:38):
along with black in thecommunity that I always was
their champion.
It's always been that way.
Somebody needs me.
So you can do what you have todo, because I stay alive and do
all this thinking and I am boredand I am disgusted and I'm sick
with people who do so littlewith socialism when they have
such a good example to follow.

(55:59):
Okay, what was the basicpremise of Mao?
Your menu already passed.
What was the basic premise ofMao?
Mao Tse-Tung said there's onlyone way a revolution can come.
You know, miller.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Oh, hold it now.
No, no, no.
Mao Tse-Tung said the only wayyou can break a revolution and
keep it.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
The only way I think you can keep it is by being
peace and being honorable.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
I thought you were talking about super troopers.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
Oh shit being in peace.
Mao Zedong said that.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
No, no, no.
He's the head of China.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
He's the head of the revolution in China March 6,000
people on the line, he Peopleall along.
You've been on a long march.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Did you watch Super Troopers?
Okay, what do you?

Speaker 4 (56:40):
say there's only one way you can bring about a
revolution for people.
The only way you can bring iton is by killing.
Well, what is?
That's okay, I'm going to letyou pass it, but what do you say
?
You had a nice little phrasethat everybody should know
Change only comes through by abattle of God.
That's right, senior.

(57:00):
That's good, because you, byrights, would have every reason
to forget something Change mustcome through the barrel of a gun
, said Mao Zedong.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
This place would be, a paradise tomorrow if every
department had a supervisor?

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Because, we got a little bit more to get through.
Yeah, for sure there is someexamples.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Yeah, so much Jimothy in the house here, wow, lots of
Jimothy.
His deck is just insane.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
So there were sermons where he would throw the Bible,
stomp on it and dare the sky,god, to strike him down.
When that wouldn't happen, hisfollowers would see that he was
actually God himself, or somewould be so disgusted and not
return.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
Right.
So he was blatantly defying Godin front of everybody.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
And if you stay.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
And that started happening a lot more in the 70s.
If you stayed, he had you, yeah, he had you, he had you.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
This guy can defy God .
He is God Right.
Got him, he had you.
This guy can defy God, he isGod Right.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Got him.
He had now convinced hiscongregation that the government
had tapped in through thecommune's phones, phone lines,
and were constantly monitoringall the activity, because they
were doing so much good for thepoor and for the needy and that
went against the capitalistagenda.
So more fear mongering, youknow.
He said that the FBI planned toinfiltrate with spies, or they
may have already done it.

(58:24):
Then he tells his congregationto report on each other for
insubordinate behaviorconstantly.
Then he tells them that thegovernment had possibly been
involved in the assassination ofMartin Luther King and JFK.
And he could be next.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
I mean, there's some conspiracies here.
Oh, I know.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
But I'm saying he's telling the congregation that he
could be next.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Oh, yeah, so there's more fear.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Yeah, you know they're going to lose their
leader.
They're going to lose God.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Yeah, you know, yeah, the one that can defy the
tyrant.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Love you Defy.
Then he would acquire a team ofbodyguards within the
congregation and they followedhim everywhere.
Now they were armed and theyhad uniforms with matching pants
, shirts, ties and berets.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Wow, oh, militantly Mm-hmm here we go Now.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
one of the bodyguards was an accused murderer that
had come through the drugrehabilitation program and the
temple's funds were paying forhis legal defense.
It's all it's all.
Wow, Now are you ready to getinto his godly love?

Speaker 3 (59:36):
I guess so, but I'm not.
But I mean, this is a bunch ofbuildup.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Oh yeah, there's so much more.
Oh, I am giving you a review.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Well, I'm sitting side saddle again.
You're like, is Jesse poopinghimself over here?
No, that's me Like beingverklempt and kind of uncomfort
over here because I'm like whatthe fuck is fixing to really
throw?

Speaker 1 (59:57):
down, Dude.
This is crazy.
So we already know that he hadtaken a lover named Carolyn
Layton while still married toMarceline.
But that wasn't enough.
He decided that if the otherwomen in the congregation had an
issue like depression or mildailments or even menstrual
issues, that he can cure themwith a day on his deck or a few.

(01:00:20):
A day on his deck or a few days.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
On his deck, deck Ooh .

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
And he did not care about age.
Ace of hearts and some were noteven legal yet.
What, what.
And then remember Larry Layden.
Oh, the man whose wife Jim tookaway, and then he got remarried
to another one named Karen.
Well, jim decided he neededthat wife as well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
On top of like embezzlement and manipulation.
So now we've moved into that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
He has taken two wives from one guy.
And messing with kids and wouldtell Larry Layton how many
times that him and his new wife,he would tell them how many
times they had climaxed in asingle deck session.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
All the deckness, all the deck.
Did he record that too?
Because he recorded fuckingeverything.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Oh, probably that's not in public record, but Browch
, wow, wow, browch, wow, wow.
Now, like I told you earlier,now part like I told you earlier
, patti Cartnell would haveloved to have the honor of
having sex with Jim, but she wastoo grossly obese and that's a
quote, that's not my words, um.

(01:01:32):
So instead he put her in chargeof his fuck schedule, and that
is what it is called in thebooks that is not my words.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
He literally had a fuck schedule he had a fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
He went on to tell I'm not done, I gotta keep going
, keep going, I can't hold it.
Then he went on to tell hiscongregation that he was the
only heterosexual person and allthe other men were gay, and to
cure them of their gayness, hewould need to go ahead and have
them on his deck as well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Oh, so he was fully heterosexual, but he wasn't
heterosexual.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Now this is recorded.
This is a true statement from aman.
I watched it in a documentary.
I believe it was the PBS one.
I'm not.
No, it couldn't have been a PBSone, because there's going to
be some language here.
So Jim even approached a newlyrecruited male and casually said
to him I'll fuck you in the assif you want me to Like verbatim

(01:02:34):
that's his words You'redropping fucking nuclear bombs
on me right now, dude.
And the guy said no thanks.
And Jim just grinned at him andsaid well, if you ever want to,
we'll put you on the books.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
We'll put you on the books.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Other males who had been with him in the
congregation, like sexually,would start to warn others by
saying if you want father tofuck you in the ass, take a
douche.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Holy shit, jim gave me herpes and chlamydia.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
I didn't hear about any of that, but he healed it.
Actually I did.
That's a lie.
That's a lie.
That's a lie there was talk ofthat.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
There was talk of that.
I figured it was coming becauseJim was.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
I haven't got to that part of the book yet, but I
have heard that spoke about.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
I just took a drink, but I got a drink.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
I have heard that spoke about in other.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Right now, lindsay Lindsay, his fuck book is just
full.
And then check this out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
When he was asked by a black woman why he only slept
with the whites, jim's reasoningwas that white women, or men,
were more bourgeois, aka bougie,and they needed to sleep with
him to be more dedicated tosocialism.
That is literally what he tolda black woman as to why he did
not have sex with any of hisblack Are you seeing his fucking

(01:03:52):
face right now?

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
I do see your face, Dude.
It's a poker face and his deckis fucking full of aces All the
aces His deck has been in toomany aces.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
He's got kings, queens aces, you name it Shit.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Oh Lindsay, what kind of shit have you?

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
got me into.
So Jim now has people reportingagainst each other, ok, and
there would be public shamings,like I talked about in the last
episode.
Now there was going to bespankings, beatings for these
infractions, and one woman waseven stripped naked and shamed
for having sexual feelings forFather Jim.

(01:04:38):
I guess she just wasn't goodenough to make it onto the
schedule and he would have somemembers fight out their
differences in full-on boxingmatches.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Boxing matches, if you got that feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
I got sexual healing and boxing matches and boxing
matches.
Tim Stone was Jim's right-handman, okay, and his wife
Greystone had.
At first she didn't like Jim,but somehow she made it onto the
fuck schedule and then a childwas produced.
Ooh, paternity has never beenconfirmed because she was still

(01:05:20):
sexually active with Tim as well.
So little John Stone.
When he was born in 1971, adocument was signed that Jim was
the father but that he was tolive with Tim and Grace until he
was old enough to livecommunally, which I think was
like two, yeah.
And now Carolyn Layton.

(01:05:42):
She also became pregnant, butshe was sent away on a quote
unquote missions trip to Mexicoand when she returned with a
child, the excuse was that shehad been raped during the
missions trip.
This was also Jim Jones's child, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Now I don't think that was kind of like rape,
because like he was manipulatingevery fucking body there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
But what I'm saying is like but Greystone, because
you know it was frowned upon foryou to have an actual child.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Like they wanted you to adopt or be celibate.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Right Period.
So they went to Dragonstone andhad the baby and came back
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
What the fuck Now, when Grace did have to part with
little John John, when you know, they basically took him out of
the home and he started livingcommunally through you know,
different houses.
She didn't really like it andthen her and Tim's relationship
became very estranged.
As he was away a lot on templebusiness and Grace and another

(01:06:47):
member would end up leaving thechurch together and, with the
help of her family, a custodybattle will start.
Okay, in time, tim Stone wouldalso grow tired of being at
Jim's beck and call and startedhiding money in different
accounts.
Oh, you can't do that.
No.
In the meantime, 300 acres hadbeen purchased in Guyana, south

(01:07:10):
America, and around 50 templemembers would be sent down to
start development on the newpromised land or Jonestown.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
I just got chills, lindsay, look at me, look at the
goosebumps.
Right now, I just got fuckingchills Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
In late 1976, tim Stone would vanish from the
People's Temple and to Jim Jones.
This was the ultimate betrayal.
Not too long after horrorstories of Jim Jones and what
was happening within the templestarted to leak out to the media
.
And that's where I'm going toleave you guys, before we start

(01:07:51):
part four.
I know, I kind of got chillstoo, a little bit Dude I got
full on chills.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Dude, you've built this up and I know the rest of
the story.
I'm Paul Harvey, over hereright now geeking.
Oh, my fucking Lindsay, lindsay, lindsay.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
I had also forgotten to mention that there were eight
college students in theircollege program that had
abandoned the cause called theGang of Eight, and this is when
Jim Jones knew that he needed toisolate his members.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
He was in it.
Oh my goodness, lindsay Whoa,lindsay, whoa, whoa.
I mean I don't feel like I'vedrank enough during all of this
just to take it all in.
And it's just like bombs, bombs, bombs, bombs.
And now he's got a wholefucking military base that he's
fixing to set up in a differentcountry and that's where we're

(01:08:51):
just like fixing to really fire.
On this last episode coming up,I had full chills.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
I know I have.
I have my work cut out for menext week.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
I'm having hot flashes along with you, I mean.
So that's the whole thing,that's this part.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
So three this and four, episode three.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
It's gonna be all about johnstown I got a cool
band to play but first you uhreview your uh beard oil oh yes,
I do.
I said I was gonna, I was gonnado this and I got a new thing
here from fable, because I waslike I got something cool in and
I want to share with everybodybecause I got a big ass beard.
I don't know if you've seen me,listeners and everybody, but

(01:09:32):
opening up this beard oil here.
Read it, read it, read it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
And Fable has really good sense and it stays with you
.
So this is Witch Doctor and theartwork on these bottles is
just they always send a littlecard.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Can I smell it first?
Yeah, I want you to smell itand see what you think oh, I
like hang on, I'll put it inopening, opening, opening the
witch doctor, car I'm trying tofigure out what it's vanilla e,
but it's manly.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
You know what I mean oh, this is cool.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
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with all their artwork yes lookat that oh, that's awesome I'm
part of the fable army.
Oh, Jesse, Jesse, Lindsay youhad it all the way like not on,
okay.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
I'm sorry, I left it open for you to smell.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
I love the scent.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Well, pick it up and put it back in there.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Oh, we spilled some Hang on, we spilled a lot Hang
on, it's going on the beard dudeit's going to put a puddle in
your mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
You're going to be greasy as hell.
You're going to fry somechicken on that beard later.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
I smell good and I want you to open this box too,
because this is something thatwe're going to do on the next
pod.
Okay, I know we're all over theplace right now and I think
we're a little drunk, but buthey, I got this cool ass band to
play, but Lindsey's going toopen up this box that I just got
it's special for the nextepisode and I'm so ready here

(01:10:59):
she is opening boxes.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
You did not.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
I did I did it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
We can't say what this is yet, can we?

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
If you don't want to, we'll just partake in the next
episode, is that cool?

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Alright, so cliffhanger we're going to talk
about what this is in the nextepisode, because it is very
relevant and I am literallyflabbergasted at what I'm
looking at right now.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
I love you, Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Yes, make sure you listen to episode four for the
reveal of what I am holding inmy hand right now.
I love you, lindsay.
Yes, make sure you listen toepisode four for the reveal of
what I am holding in my handright now.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Oh my God, yes, she's going to love it.
Like we're going to havecocktails with such a thing that
I just got.
So Fable beard oil is amazing.
This smell is amazing, witchdoctor.
So any of you, uh, burly dudeswith the big beards?
So any of you, burly dudes withthe big beards, check out Fable
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Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
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Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
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She's so awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
She's beautiful, she sounds like an angel and oh, I
couldn't get enough.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
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Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Yes, and I had chills as soon as she fired up over
there doing her little solostuff the tits, and she was
doing um singles I mean notsingles covers and they were, I
mean, like absolute bangers andI was oh, yeah, we were highly
impressed so fariza out ofgainesville instant follow

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Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
We're going to play some stuff, so here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Here we go.
I was 19.
Don't run when you can't see.
Tell me, was this real?
I've never felt so free.

(01:13:28):
I'm 23, twenty-three.
They told me I could dream.
Never gave to me Without a timewe believe.

(01:14:07):
Can I fall asleep With you inmy life?
All is clear?
I just wanna.
All is clear.

(01:14:47):
And I'm in 13.
They never let me be, told methis wasn't real and they never
let me be.

(01:15:07):
So can I fall asleep tonight?

(01:15:29):
All this sleep?
I just wanna All this sleep,all this sleep, all this sleep,
all this sleep, all this sleep,all this sleep, all this sleep,
all this sleep, all this sleep,all this sleep, all this sleep,
all this sleep, all this sleep,all this sleep, all this sleep,
all this sleep, all this sleep,all this sleep, all this sleep,
all this sleep, all this sleep,all this sleep, all this sleep,

(01:15:51):
all this.
I'm just sleeping, my brokensoul.
I'm just sleeping.
I don't know.
I'm just sleeping, my brokensoul.
I'm just sleeping and I'mfalling asleep.
I'm losing my life.
I just wanna fall asleep.
Can I fall asleep Tonight?

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
I just wanna fall asleep Tonight, lindsay.
So good, epic, it's epic.
And then, like they had thelittle breakdown with the metal.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
It was all metal in the background.
That was a whole surprise.
That was like oof, we were fistbumping.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
You know, honestly, it caught me like Evanescence
caught me, yes, that caught melike Evanescence.
It's not Evanescence, but itcaught me like Evanescence, if
that makes sense Right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Your voice is beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
I want her over for a Gen Z party.
I want her over here.
We will hire her here and shecan set up and do her own little
thing over here.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
No, no, absolutely, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
And you can come too.
Just hit us up on the podDrinkAboutSomethingsite.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Follow us, like us, share us.
We're going to have a party,thank you so much With Fareeza
over here For listening.

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
Thank you so much to our listeners.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
We are just absolutely so grateful.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
If you know anybody in South America, hit them up.
That's the only continent wehaven't been played at.
Yeah, and check out our merchstore, check out our
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Whatever, you know the thing,all the things.
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Or to get some little merch,merch and merch.
We're on round three of JimJonesmas.
Yes, one more to go, uno mas,and it's going to be epic dude.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
I have just saddled up it's going to be epically
terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
I'm on the saddle Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
I'm going to do shots for that one.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
I got to do shots for that one.
I'm doing the.
The four horsemen for that one.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Okay, okay, okay, four horsemen all of them all
right, yeah, so yeah with that.
We're just gonna leave you withthat, make sure you tune in for
part four.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
Yeah, share like all the good stuff.
Saga is fucking us yeah dude it.
Just when you talked about thelist.
I don't know what the fuck tothink right now, lindsay.
I don't know.
I'm going to be on edge allweek long about this, lindsay.
You will Thank you, lindsay,again, lindsay.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Tune in next week.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
We love you so much oh yes, we'll see you guys next
Friday.
Bye.