EPISODE 41: FOLLOW ME UNTIL THE END JIM JONES PART 4

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey Jesse, Hello Lindsay, what's up?
Here we are.
Wait a minute, we're at the end.
Hello Cindy.
We've got a guest here.
Holy shit.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
We have two guests.
We also have Jason, who Cindybrought with her, as our honored
guest.
He's going to just hang outover there in the shadows.
Hang out.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
What are you drinking today?

Speaker 3 (00:23):
over there in the shadows.
Yeah, hang out.
What are you drinking today?

Speaker 1 (00:27):
I'm drinking everything.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Everything.
Yeah, you have a whole beercart liquor whatever cart.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
So I'm doing the Four Horsemen.
So Johnny Walker Right, jimBeam Right, jack Daniels Right
and Jameson Right.
Yeah, the Four Horsemen, theFour Horsemen.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
The Four Horsemen, what you got in your cup.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
I don't know Whatever you just gave me.
What was that?
I didn't give you anything.
Yeah, you gave me some kind ofenergy drink.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Oh, alani, alani, we're on the Alani, what is it?

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Cherry Slush.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, I'm geeking on that, oh and I am having a truly
unruly.
This is a eight percent uhseltzer and I only had two of
these yesterday and I was like,oh yeah, but I'm gonna, yeah,
I'm gonna have one of these andI'm gonna have a regular like
white claw later on, we'remaking a cocktail yeah, halfway

(01:21):
through the episode, we weremaking a cocktail and unveiling
the box that I opened in partthree, which I was flabbergasted
at.
Jesse is rocking his Jim Jonest-shirt and I am rocking Black
Sabbath because that's what mademe feel old.
Rip Ozzy.
So what was it that made youfeel old?

(01:45):
It is literally that, likelegends, they're gone.
They're leaving us.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Just passed away, we lost.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Malcolm Jamal Ozzy Osbourne.
Malcolm Jamal Warner Legends.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Theo Huxtable, yeah, and people that I went with and
Joe Maggione People that we wentto school with.
Yes, we did so that reallymakes you feel old, like you
start looking back you're justlike holy shit, yeah, just
legends, and even people yourage are dropping.
What I know we're not that oldLindsay?
No, what made you feel old,though?

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Exactly all of that, Really.
We lost our icon man, Likeblanket old ago.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
And he sounded so amazing.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
He was so good and he was kicking ass even though he
was going behind the curtain andtaking some breathing
treatments in between while Zachwas doing the guitar solos and
shit.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
But he was rocking.
He was on stage.
I put it on TikTok Because Idid record.
I went back and looked throughall of my digital clutter and
looked through all of our videos.
From that Rockville Found greatfootage.
I put the entire performance.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
It's blowing up too.
My mom coming home and he's alllike sounding so good.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Not no more tears, my mom coming home.
That's what it was.
That was it.
It's like a whole four-minutevideo.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Everything that we like to listen to, and he's the
leader of a lot of that music.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
He created that sound that we love.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Love it.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
He's a pioneer, pioneer.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
RIP Ozzy.
And you know I grew up watchinga lot of pro wrestling stuff,
so it was just like Hulk Hogantoo, I know.
Oh, it's big.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
I watched the Osbourne show and the Hulk Hogan
show with his family.
I mean, I ain't going to lie,hulk Hogan's got some shady shit
going on.
But his daughter, brooke, shehad done a song with Paul Wall
that me and Cindy enjoyed verymuch and we used to rock the
fuck out to that.
Yeah, so we've lost somelegends this week, yeah For sure

(03:43):
.
But I love your Black Sabbathshirt yes, I love it too, and
Cindy, over there I got a coupleof them.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
She's fitting to go on a picnic over there, is she?
Yeah, she looks very picnic,picnic like yes it's summer,
we're going to picnic all summerlong it's so fucking hot, I
know most conservative, but lessclothing.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
I went outside for five minutes earlier to set up
chairs for us and all to chillin between this recording and
I'm like, damn, I'm going backinside.
It's hot but we got the fansgoing and we've got the cooler
with ice and water.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
This is going to be a long one, so you guys strap in,
yes here we go what made youfeel old Cindy?

Speaker 5 (04:19):
Everything you guys are just talking about.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
It's just full on blanket Right.
Well, happy Friday everybody,and we're fixing to kick this
off.
Lindsay has a lot.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
I got a lot to talk about.
Guys Strap in.
Oh my God, what did you justopen, jim bean?

(04:56):
No, jameson oh jim, that's whatI meant to say.
Well, irish jameson, j like I'mwhat it's all gonna run
together, jose.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Jose is like one of them too, but like I think, he's
like a non-spoken horseman.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
I can only drink Jose Silver yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
I mean, I have Jose, but I think I'm just going to do
like we have Jose Silver upthere.
The whiskeys, more the whiskeybourbon type.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah, you know I'm sticking with that.
Yeah, mix tequila in there.
You may be dead later, I don'tknow.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
I can't.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
Dead or almost dead.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, well, I can mark it off on the Bible, so
cool.
Yeah, I mean I did this for NewYear's.
One time we got tanked with afriend of ours, yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Jose has really not been a friend of mine over the
years, so I stick to Patron or1800 when I do tequila.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, well, if anybody wants to partake, I got
them over here.
Y'all Party, party, party,party.
Okay.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
But if you're new here, what we do is we have a
couple of drinks.
We talk about true crime.
At the end of the episode,Jesse plugs a band that he has
sought out and gotten permissionto play on this podcast.
So we're not going to getcopyright problems, are we?
Because we got permission.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
I'm not for the bands Lindsay.
No, we're golden.
Yes.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
And we had something really cool happen this week.
So our friend, jenny Haynes,listened to our pod.
She shared it to her followers,shared our podcast that we did
on her to her followers and hasalso informed us that there is a
documentary coming out soon.
So look out for that.
We will announce it, we'regonna plug it, do all the things

(06:31):
for that documentary.
We're ready.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
We're ready yeah, she was really inspired about my
analysis yes, she was.
She was giving jesse all thelove I know that's awesome where
I was package and everything wesent her and she's like.
You know, I'm just doing my ownthing over here in Australia
and I'm going to have adocumentary.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
There's more comments and there's more to the story
and we're going to keep that toourselves because she did share
that with us in confidence.
But make sure you look out forthat documentary on Jenny Haynes
.
We will keep you updated, asI'm sure she will with us, so go
back.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Check that out.
Yes, you know, check it out andhit them up and hit her up and
let her know you know, youunderstand, you really feel
everything.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Her story was incredible.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
It's just that's what I was trying to analyze through
every Lindsay's story, throughher horrific battles, which I
was just recounting her story,that's all I'm doing here is
telling was telling it to youand our listeners because it
deserved to be told.
And it came back around.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
I don't know.
I mean her story is incredible,but what she encountered was
horrific.
So but she wants her story told, she, I mean because there are
monsters out there and they canbe in your own family.
Yes.
And everybody at this table I'mprobably sure has dealt with a
monster in their own family.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
A demon.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Exactly.
But with that being said, so ifyou're starting here, please go
back and listen to the firstthree parts, because I can't
even begin to recap everything.
So now Daddy Jones haspurchased property in Guyana,

(08:12):
south America, and has sentabout 50 pioneers to start
development on Jonestown, whichis to be a socialist utopia for
the people's temple.
Now, I had said that the churchhad purchased 300 acres, but it
was actually 3,000.
And it was a lease and therewere like rules to this lease
that they had.

(08:32):
You know, it was a agricultureproject.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
That's a grip of land .
It's a grip.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
But they were only going to develop A certain
amount for living quarters.
So by this time there had beenquite a few deserters and they
were all starting to tell of theconcerning things that were
happening within the temple'scommunal living.
Also, tim and Grace Stone hadleft the church, leaving their
son John behind, because Jimbasically had rights to him and

(09:01):
was claiming that he had siredthis child because grace had
slept with him and but her andtim were still also she was on
the list.
She was on the list yeah, buther and tim were still also
participating as a marriedcouple.
So, like I said, paternity isnot determined.
But I did look at a picture ofthis child and, oh my God, jimba

(09:24):
.
It looks just like Jimba, oh.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, lindsay, you're fixing to flip so much shit
right now it's hard for me toeven.
This is going to be a rough one.
Oh yeah, it is.
It's going to be kiki, ha ha,over here.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Well, it's going to be kiki, ha ha, until I tell you
it's not.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
No, we'll know, we are going to know.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
So Tim and Grace, who are no longer together, they
still joined forces and had acustody battle against Jim Jones
and Jonestown People's Templethe whole shebang to get little
John John back.
Among some of the earlypioneers of Guyana was Jim and
Marceline's only biological son,stephen Jones.
Now Stephen had caught on tohis father's bullshit early on

(10:09):
and hated the way his mother washumiliated by Jim through all
the affairs and other women andof course, the main mistress,
carolyn Layton.
Stephen had already attemptedsuicide three times before his
father sent him off to work inthe jungle when he was 18.
Now Marceline was furious atthis.

(10:31):
But once in Guyana Stephen didamazing things and took a lot of
pride in building anddeveloping the community.
Brochures and flyers were madefor the rest of the congregation
to get them hyped up for thisnew move.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Did they play Guns N' Roses before they came down
there?
Oh, Guns N' Roses wasn't aroundyet.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Welcome to the jungle ?
No, they got.
They weren't far behind, thoughShit yeah, like they weren't
far behind.
This was.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
That's what I was thinking.
They were in the 80s, right.
They were in the 70s, they werein the 80s, right.
I was thinking of that, or likesome CCR shit and they're
flying in with like helicoptersand shit coming in.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Burn arrow, burn arrow.
Yeah, that song is played.
What is it?
Fortunate Son right.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
Some folks are bald.
My hands are blue.
Ooh, my red, white, blue.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
That's in every Vietnam War war movie ever ever
yes now, marceline had beenworking for the state and she
had her own apartment wherestephen had been staying with
her for a while before jimordered him to go to guyana.
She came to jim one day and toldhim that she had fallen in love

(11:42):
with a psychologist and wantedto leave him and take the
children and move to georgia.
I think it was like fort what'sthe fort in georgia, because I
forgot to write it down fortbragg, banning, banning, banning
, banning, that's it, yeah, yeah.
So they were going to move tofort benning and marceline had
hoped that jim would beg her tostay, but instead he called all

(12:06):
the kids in and said hey, mom'sbeing selfish and wants to break
up our family for her owndesires, not thinking about
what's best for everyone, andwants to take you away from
everything here and move you toGeorgia.
So the conditioned children, ofcourse, said they didn't want
to leave, but Marceline saidthat she was going to go through

(12:27):
with her plan anyway.
And then Jim, with a wholebunch of theatrical words it was
more than I cared to write downbasically said that he would
kill her if she left.
Yes, control.
And she knew that he now hadarmed bodyguards and would do
anything for him, so she backeddown.
Wow, I.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
And she knew that he now had armed bodyguards and
would do anything for him.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
So she backed down.
Wow, I know, it's so scary.
It's so scary If only they knew.
If only they knew the planningcommission, or the PC, consisted
of the longest standing loyalmembers, which were mostly white
.
Besides Archie, iams and the PCwere the eyes and the ears and
the planning coordinators forall the temple activities.

(13:09):
The PC meetings were closed offfrom the rest of the temple and
would sometimes go into the weehours of the night.
This guy never slept.
Never fucking slept and he madesure nobody else did either.
So no bathroom breaks for therest.
But jim would relieve himselfwhen he wanted and we did talk
about that in the last episode.

(13:30):
We talked about that where hewould relieve himself behind the
podium while everybody elsewould hold their bladder and
pass out and shit.
yeah, they weren't part of thecool club no they weren't in the
inner circle, okay, theyweren't on the pc.
The meetings would start outwith mostly planning, but would
become a whole discussion aboutwho was fucking who, who jim was
now fucking and who he feltneeded to be fucked exactly.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Just a bunch of fucking fuckers.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
Yes, had a list.
He had a list.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
I didn't make the book lindsey.
What do you mean?
I didn't make it, you didn'tmake.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
You weren't born yet.
You had a few more years to go.
Yeah, I think you would haveliked me.
What do you mean?

Speaker 7 (14:04):
I didn't make it, you weren't born yet I wasn't cool
enough to make the book.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
You had a few more years to go.
Yeah, I think he would haveliked me.
Oh God, yeah, I can tell.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
New people who were appointed to join the PC.
It was considered a high honoruntil they went to their first
meeting, and then they were like, oh, this is what's behind.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
There's a whole deck session.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Then Jim decided he needed to conduct a loyalty test
on his PC.
So one night, while everyonewas gathered, he decided to
serve a glass of wine.
Now, this was not normal, bythe way, because they really
didn't drink.
After everyone had partaken, heannounced that the wine had
been poisoned and they all weregoing to die within 45 minutes.

(14:48):
So he tricked them all.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yes, he's testing them.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
And some didn't bat an eye, like they were like okay
, but then some acted like theyhad actually been poisoned,
freaked out or passed out orstarted convulsing.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
What the fuck.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
And then Jim would say Ha, just kidding, that was a
test to see how loyal you are.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
And me Of the emergency broadcast system.
This is a test.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Fuck.
Lizzie Mark of Stanbaugh wouldhave been out.
Deuces, pack my bags, let me go.
I would have been out.
Deuces, pack my bags, let me go.

Speaker 5 (15:25):
I'm out of here.
I would have been out when hewas talking about the fucking
list that he wanted of people tofuck.
Oh yeah, His fuck schedule.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Nope, I mean honestly like and he lost nobody with
this test, like not one person.
Now, at first, when the whendefectors would leave, jim would
try and sweet talk them back orget Marceline or Carolyn Layton
to talk them back in, andsometimes he would send his

(15:54):
bodyguards to threaten them.
And then sometimes he wouldrequire that you had to move at
least 100 miles away from you.
They're still in Ukiah rightnow and for some who had given
up everything to live communally, that seemed impossible.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, they're broke.
They're broke.
They ain't got shit.
Ask them to give them all Everydamn thing they could do, and
they had no means, no means.
They had them brought down.
They're tired as fuck.
They're broke as fuck.
They're oppressed.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
They're tired.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
They're exhausted.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
This man.
Don't shut up, they'rebrainwashed.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Literally, he's banging them all to death.
I mean literally, I mean.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Now, after the gang of eight had took off, Jim had
felt he needed to tighten thatsqueeze.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
That's why property deep in the jungle under the
guise of an agriculture missionwas purchased.
So that was the turning pointwhen the gang of eight left.
He's like I was just a little.
Yeah, it was almost right afterthat when the gang of eight was
like we got to change.
They clocked out and he clockedback in on overtime and shit
really started.
That's where I got chills lasttime we were talking about the
gang of eight and there'ssomebody fixing to come for him.
He's like deuces, right, I'mfixing to turn this fucker up,

(17:09):
so it's fixing to turn the fuckup y'all.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Oh yeah, it's just strap in.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Strap Wait, wait.
Jameson said so.
Yeah, let me take Horsemen,Okay, well, I think it was more
than a shot, but yeah, come on.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Now most of the Temple kids have been going to
public school in the area.
While they were in Ukiah, Someof the public school teachers
started to report suspicions ofabuse and exhaustion on the
Temple kids, so now it was timeto get out.
Everything was starting tocrash around them and it was all
the government's fault and thetraitor's fault and the

(17:47):
outsiders who didn't understandthe temple ways.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Well anything anybody that's in the public.
Anybody's fault but Jim.
Yeah, yeah, he's not.
You're not allowed to talkabout it and you know that's the
.
That's the first rule aboutFight Club right.
Right, we don't talk aboutFight Club Right.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Now, I did forget to mention in the last episode that
Jim had been arrested for lewdconduct while seeking a male
partner in MacArthur Park.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
But he was heterosexual, he was the only
heter policemen had been out ona stakeout there.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
When Jim made the signal to a young man to join
him in the bathroom, he didn'tknow that that young man was an
undercover cop.
So the cop goes to the bathroomand Jim is there already and
starts walking towards himmasturbating.
What.
Yeah, that's insane.
What?
Yeah, that's insane.
What it was a thing it happened.

(18:48):
Macarthur Park, lindsay.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
So this dude's like coming at you, he's coming at
the cops full wake.
And coming at himself, andcoming at everybody all at one
time.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Wanking it, so Jim is arrested.
Is that his fucking thing?

Speaker 1 (19:04):
You're not on the list, but I'm going to put you
on the list.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Well, obviously he wasn't getting enough within the
commune, okay.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
I talked about him three.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
He had the whole thing.
He has chapters, he had anybodyhe wanted, but he still had to
go to MacArthur Park and findsome strange.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
He wanted some strange.
Yes Ooh, sneaky leak.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
So he gets bailed out or he gets arrested.
He gets bailed out and then hegets a doctor's note saying that
he is an enlarged prostate andhe was encouraged to jump up and
down or to run in place to helpwith this issue.
So that's what he was doing,not masturbating.
Yeah, seriously.
And Tim Stone before he hadleft the church, of course had

(19:46):
helped this all go away, or thislewd activity could have
prevented him from buying thatproperty in Guyana.
I don't think, because they dida full investigation on him
before he bought his property.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
I don't think our innocent bystanders over here
just knew what they came overhere to do with us I didn't Well
she does, she does she's yeahwe've talked about this whole
case for years.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don'tthink I can shake lindsey too,
but jason's like I'm sorry what?
He's the no comment guy overhere because we didn't even give
him a microphone.

(20:18):
Holy shit, this dude's likecoming at this.
Oh my god, I can.
What the problem is, lindsey?
The fucking problem is, I canpicture every bit of all that
he's just got an enlargedprostate, just an enlarged
kidney.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
Get over that.
What's that?
The meme of the little kid inthe car seat?

Speaker 3 (20:38):
oh, bullshit yeah, bullshit, bullshit, yes.
So there is a lot of corruptionwithin the politics between Jim
and the Guyanese officials,like an arranged affair between
the ambassador and a templemember who had also been a lover
of Daddy Jones.
Like it's still a circle.
It's a circle, it's a socle.

(20:59):
So portions of the propertythey get developed for planting
crops.
Cottages were built forcommunal living.
There was a dining hall, aschool, a nursery, a radio room
with communications equipment tostay in touch with the American
chapters of the temple, becausethey didn't close them down
completely.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Really they keep the San Francisco going In the
States.
Instead of relocating, he triedto grow.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
Yes, basically.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Well, he relocated his commune, but the services,
like the church I'm doing airquotes the church services
stayed in San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
He kept the machine going.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yes, well, because he was depending on the people
that didn't want to move To fundit.
To fund it.
Right, that's the machine ofthe money, yeah Right.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
And now they're moving to a third world country
out in the field in the jungle,in the jungle, middle of nowhere
.
Yeah, and there's nothing butwhat they built.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
So they also they equip it with a pavilion for
meetings and sermons.
So, jonestown, it's ready, it'sready to go, okay.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
The town is ready, his theme park has been built.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yes, finally literally like I mean even our
first saddest theme park you'llever hear about in your life
first episode.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
I said theme park yeah and here we are.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
It's not a theme park you ever want to visit we
finally made it to wally it's ahard labor theme park, yeah what
movie was that?

Speaker 1 (22:19):
where they're trying to make it to wally world
national?

Speaker 8 (22:21):
lampoon yeah, yes, oh , they made it to wally world.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
National Lampoon, national Lampoon, yes, yes, oh,
they made it to Wally World.
Well, it's Jimmy World, it'sJim Jones World, it's Jonestown,
jonestown, get down inJonestown.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
So now some settlers, along with the pioneers, have
been going little by little fora few years.
Mr Muggs, the temple's chipmascot, had been among the early
settlers of Jonestown.
Now I'm not going to talk abouthim a lot, but if you want some
real Mr Muggs what is the wordthat I'm looking for Content go

(22:59):
listen to.
So one of my favorites lastpodcast on the left.
They have a five part on thisseries.
So one of my favorites lastpodcast on the left they have a
five part on this series andHenry's voice for Mr Muggs is
one of the funniest thingsyou'll ever hear.
So I do encourage that becauseI always want to support the
people who inspired me for sure.

(23:19):
So Jim would tell hiscongregation that he had saved
Mr Muggs from being a labexperiment, but he had just
bought him from an exotic petstore, like it wasn't that
serious.
It wasn't that deep.
Yeah, he wasn't going to die totest our makeup products on you
know.
So in 1977, temple members aregetting their passports by the
hundreds.

(23:40):
This does throw up some redflags, but not enough.
Supplies and food shipments aresent out and some guns are
being smuggled.
Some settlers had to stay inGeorgetown before going to
Jonestown, while more cottagesare being built and they would
stay in Georgetown to adapt tothe heat and the environment,

(24:01):
because this shit is hot.
Okay, we're just slightly abovethe equator there.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Well, you're in the jungles of South America.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
It's hot.
That is literally where it's at.
Yeah, yeah, we went to CentralAmerica in March last year.
Different kind of heat and holyfucking shit.
Yeah, yeah yeah, I wore likealmost a see-through top with
some bike shorts and we weredying.
Now we were on an airconditioned bus for our tour,

(24:29):
but when we would get out tolook at spots pure death.
I better get in some waterthere was no water on that trip
because we decided just to tourlike their little yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
But it was like there was a that was Central America,
Not South Central.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
America.
We're still above the equatorthere.
Some people would stay inGeorgetown permanently to be the
eyes and ears for Jonestown.
They would have their ownlittle area called the LaMaha
Gardens.
That's where their PRrepresentative stayed in
Georgetown.
They would have communicationset up through ham radio.
These they would have acommunication set up through ham

(25:05):
radio.
So these settlers would havesmall businesses in Georgetown
to continue to raise money forthe agriculture mission in
Jonestown as well as going doorto door and asking for donations
.
Punishment for not collectingat least a hundred dollars a day
was being sent to Jonestown forhard labor or contributing to

(25:26):
the development.
Jonestown pioneers were alwaysin need of medical attention due
to sunstroke, dehydration,infected bug bites and
exhaustion.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, just the bugs alone, the bugs alone.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Just the bugs.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
And that's not even half of what they're
experimenting out there, you gotfull-on jungle spiders hundreds
of people.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Snakes, monkeys were their roosters like literally
that's what they woke up to thesound of was monkeys screeching,
which would kind of be cool ifyou choked.
I don't know, we'll see, we'llget there, I don't know.
So so jones found his missionsdoctor, which was Larry Schacht,
and he had been a drug addictand a dropout but was

(26:11):
rehabilitated by the temple'sdrug program.
The temple had paid for histuition at a Mexican medical
school and then he was Americancertified in medicine.
Larry Schacht was very indebtedto daddy Jones and the whole
temple, so he would do anythingthat was asked of him.
So he took off to Jonestownfresh out of school.

(26:32):
He's literally learnedeverything on the job, from
sutures to childbirth and, mostimportantly, how to stay alive
in the woods.
And along with Schacht wereseveral experienced nurses.
And these nurses they wouldhave more experience than Larry
Like yeah it's.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
I don't think he's ready.
No.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Larry Schacht will be a very important name through
the rest of this episode.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Hundreds of people from California has just moved
to a fucking jungle.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Well, we're getting there, we're getting there.
We're not there quite yet.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
We're almost there.
Okay, they're getting ready.
They're getting ready.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Yeah, they're getting ready, they've got their
passports, they're selling theirshit, they're getting ready to
go because most of them can onlygo with like a satchel of stuff
, you know Right.
So there have been someinvestigations and newspaper
articles revealing the templesecrets and by this time, by the
time that everybody's gettingready to go, there was a huge
expose and it was released tothe public and around 1100

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temple members, including JimJones and his children.
They were in Guyana this exposecomes out 1100 temple members
gone, jim Jones children, theygone.
Then this expose comes out, andthis expose was written by the
man who wrote Raven oh, whichwe'll talk about a little later

(27:56):
on.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, it's one of the books you were reading, yeah.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
Yeah, wow.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So this expose, or so,Marceline, I have to say real
quick, Marceline, she stayedbehind to run the San Francisco
Temple.
That was her job and she didthe whole PR.
She did all the work for theremaining I think it was like
300 to 400 members in SanFrancisco, Everybody else go.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
And that's a big fucking difference between San
Francisco and the jungle.
It's like 6,000 miles Of SouthAmerica, 6,000 miles go, and
that's a big fucking differencebetween San Francisco and the
jungle.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
It's like 6,000 miles .
Of South America 6,000 miles,yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Now this expose was around six pages of stories of
Jim's background and things thathave been happening within the
temple, and this was told by thedefectors.
The early settlers of Jonestownhad been pretty happy there
there was less than 100, andthey were quite proud of their
accomplishments.
Then, mid-1977, there was quitean influx of occupancy and

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things started to feel a littlecramped and there were some that
were already wanting to leaveOnce they got there and they
experienced that heat and thenbugs, like one lady she just
complained about trying to go tothe bathroom and she's just
like covered in flies and shit.
You're in the job, abominable.
And everything was in thirds.
So there was like a thirdelderly, a third young children,

(29:20):
a third teenagers and a thirdadults.
So everything's in thirds.
And they were promised paradiseand this was just a jungle camp
.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Like honestly, it's not fucking paradise.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
No, and when Jim arrived, everything went from
high spirits and singing kumbayato constant worry and fear.
This was supposed to be a10-year project.
It was to take five years toheal a high number of crops.
But here we are.

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We had, we had to get out.
We got too much media attentionon us, we got stories, we got
exposés, like it's all crashingand we're trying to fly under
the radar.
They ran, honestly, the earlypioneers.
They had learned from theAmeridians on how to make the
soil lush and everything.
They were burning and they werecultivating and all that.

(30:17):
Then everybody just showed up.
So they're making do with whatthey've got.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
It's not a lot.
What did they really know aboutDiana?

Speaker 3 (30:28):
What did they really know about?
Trying to Well the earlypioneers, which was only 50
people out of 1100, they learnedfrom the Ameridians.
But then when everybody showsup, you've got to feed them,
you've got to.
You know you've got to do allthe things.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
We're in panic mode.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Literally, we're in panic hideaway.
We're in panic mode.
Literally, we're in panichideaway.
All romantic relationships hadto be approved, as well as
breakups.
All incoming mail was censoredand all outgoing mail was read
before sent out and if anythingwas not appropriate it was

(31:06):
thrown out or returned to thewriter with notes on how to make
it sound more upbeat.
Yeah, control, control.
So lots of drugs were sent infor Jen's personal use and for
the Jonestown extensive careunit he had to keep his laser
eyes going he had to keep hislaser eyes.
So, yeah, the dark glasses haveentered the chat.
He's fucked up all the time,yep.
So there, the dark glasses haveentered the chat.

(31:26):
He's fucked up all the time,yep.
So there was no privacy, and ifyou couldn't shit in front of
another temple member, you werejust bougie.
Okay, what?

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, you gotta be able to huckle buck right away.
You gotta shower.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
It's communal showers .
It's communal shits.
It's communal sleeping, all ofit.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
And all the sex is regulated Pretty much.
Everything is just controlled.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Controlled.
I mean they're out in thejungle, yeah.
And.
I mean okay.
So let me put it in perspective.
So you got to go to Georgetownand charter a plane from there
to get to Jonestown and thendrive in either a tractor or a

(32:07):
truck that is equipped to gothrough heavy, sticky mud, Dense
forest, yeah, dense jungle, toget to Jonestown.
Or you can go through PortKatuma and pretty much do the
same thing, so you can gothrough the port.
Or you can go throughGeorgetown and pretty much do
the same thing, so you can gothrough the port or you can go
through Georgetown.
But either way you got to getto Jonestown through an equipped

(32:29):
vehicle for sticky, nasty mudthat is equipped to survive the
jungle From.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
California.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
All the four-wheel drives From California.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yes, Holy shit.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
So outhouses were where you went and toilet paper
was rare.
There was scrap paper,newspaper and bible pages to
wipe your arsehole yeah, arsonor arson.
And then, if that all ran out,there was leaves like he would
order an influx of Gideon Bibles.
Fuck yeah, like Gideon Bibleswere what you were wiping your
ass with oh man.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
They just went from like the boom of, like love,
free.
Everything's just amazing.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
But they were used to communal living, but not jungle
communal living, yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
But they still had contact with it, they knew about
it, they were part of it.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
You know they were you had two minutes to shower,
and that included the guys thatwere out working in the fields
all day.
You had two minutes to shower,and you better keep your mouth
closed by doing so, because thatwas not.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
It was not regulated, just still water Right.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Most cottages were holding 14 people, with like
bunk beds, like stacked on topof each other, like they built
these with a plan in mind tohave all these people stacked on
top of each other.
Very minimal, very communal,except for Jim Jones, of course,
who had private quarters with abathroom and his own personal

(34:05):
generator.
Oh yeah, daddy.
Daddy's got the biz Now, beforethey were calling him father,
we get to Guyana, they'recalling him dad.
Ooh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
He went from father to daddy To dad Ooh.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Daddy, yeah, daddy Jones, big Daddy Jones.
Now his quarters were connectedto the radio room where he was
at a lot Like he was alwaysthere, and his drug use became
more frequent.
So he used ham radio and woulduse code words to communicate
with states, resulting ingetting fines for misuse, but

(34:43):
would somehow avoid anyprosecution.
Guns were constantly smuggled.
Now, as Jim Jones was inconstant fear of being attacked
or was paranoid because of hisdrug use yeah, especially, I
mean the amphetamines.
You know, I did the whole.
You know what was it called?
Fuck, I can't think of the nameright now.

(35:05):
I did a whole diet plan back inthe day, not ephedrine, it was
a different one, adipex.
Oh, okay, and it does.
It heightens your anxiety, itheightens your paranoia, like
it's a mess.
So if he's taking multiple like, like we talked about in the
Johnny Cash episode, if he'staken multiple of these a day,

(35:27):
it's bad, it's really bad.
Right, he's not sleepingBecause one a day is.
He's just in fear constantly.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
I mean, that's the reason why they moved down there
to begin with.
Right, right.
And then he's on top of, he'syayed up on some crazy shit.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
He's just wee, you know, and he's just wee and when
you arrive in Jonestown, theguards.
They went through all of yourshit, all of your belongings and
your passport confiscated.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
And every bit of this .

Speaker 5 (35:53):
So you can't leave, so it's even more control.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
It's in Joan's room in a filing cabinet.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Well, every bit of this is under a charismatic
communist control, Correct?
I mean, he is pushing this shitas hard as he can, looking
right at you and telling you youhave to be this way.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
He's got them tight-fisted.
Now he's squeezed.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
If you're not this way, you're going to hell.
And if you don't do this andyou don't do that, and you don't
do it my way, because I'm Godhimself you're going to hell
right.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, you got it, you got it.
Meals they were two times a day, with no meat, no protein.
Okay, rice was the major meal,with a little bit of gravy, with
a little bit of meat remnantsin it.
Like I really don't know.
I've listened, like I said,I've listened to two different
books.
They really don't know if itwas.
You know, they had like apiggery and they had chickens,
but they couldn't keep thechickens alive long enough to

(36:49):
produce eggs, much lessslaughter them to have a whole
chicken dinner, because achicken dinner for the whole
commune would cost like $2,000 aday.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah, oh, it's just survival.
That's what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Basically yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
They're doing what they have to do to survive.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Any kind of meat from the piggery was for special
occasions only, and the onlybeverages were water and flavor
aid.
Oh so now, ladies and gentlemen, we are going to talk about the
flavor aid that Jesse hasordered in episode three.
I said that I was going to talkabout the flavor aid that Jesse
has ordered In episode three.

(37:25):
I said that I was going to talkabout.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Why do I got chills right now?
Okay, I'm breaking it out.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
So what you can unbox .

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Boom.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
We've got the flavor aid and I'm going to make a
cocktail here in a few minuteson our next break.
I've already said what I wasgoing to do.
I'm going to do some TropicalPunch vodka with the Jamaica
flavored flavor aid.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
So here's what I think.
Lindsay Jim Jones, flavor aidwas a knockoff of Kool-Aid.
If anybody is questioning that.
Here's what I'm thinking, missStambaugh Jones, over here, you
should make it a communal flavoraid and we should all partake
in the name of.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
In the name of Jim Jones.
Daddy no, in the name of DaddyJones.
In the name of drink aboutsomething.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Okay, Okay heard we should do the communal flavor
aid drink.
You're going to make a littlesomething for all four of us.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yes, I'm going to make us a cocktail, but I'm
going to read a little bit morebefore we get there.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Flavor Aid is here and I brought it out.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Flavor Aid has entered the chat.
I got the shirt on.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
He does, by the way, jesse's got.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Hold on, let me read the whole thing.
Move your beard.
Move your beard.
I can't, it's too big.
Okay so his shirt says FlavorAid Pre-sweetened soft drink mix
.
Add water, and it's got apicture of Jim.
So it had vitamin C, probablysome riboflavin.
That's probably the onlyvitamins that these poor temple

(38:49):
dwellers were receiving.
Oh, the fucking Kool-Aid is out.
It's Flavor Aid, sir.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
The Wish version of Kool-Aid is out.
We're going to put Kool-Aid inthe garbage.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
We can't afford Kool-Aid.
We've got Flavor Aid.
We can't afford chickens.
We can't afford Kool-Aid.
We've got Flavor-Aid.
We can't afford chickens.
And once a week, each followerwas rewarded with one single ass
cookie.
One, one cookie, one cookie.
All for the cookie.
Now the cost for all.

Speaker 5 (39:18):
I had to.
I'm sorry.
Stick it up your ass.
I love it.
Stick it up your ass.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
So what?
Okay, hold on, I'll pass thecookie, okay.
So the cost for all these verybasic needs was around $600,000
a month.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Didn't know.
They did not fucking know.
And I was telling you, lizzie,they weren't ready.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Because it was supposed to be a 10-year project
.
If Jim Jones had just kept hisdick in his pants, they could
have made this happen, becauseoriginally Jim Jones was a great
humanitarian and was out tohelp his followers.
He was out for the cause, hewas trying to help the poor.
But here we are.
He couldn't keep his dick inhis pants, he couldn't keep his

(40:00):
dick.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
He couldn't keep his dick in a box.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
He couldn't keep his dick in a box.
He couldn't keep his dick in abox, yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
So here we are.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
We're in Guyana, we're starving.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
This is what's happening.
Yeah, they're surviving, barely, barely.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
So Marceline, back in San Francisco she told Jim of
the growing popularity of theexpose on the temple and how he
should change his disciplinaryactions on subordinate behavior
or insubordinate behavior,excuse me.
So at first he would just putmore work on the person that was

(40:33):
in trouble.
No other members were allowedto acknowledge them, they were
in kind of like solitary yeah.
Then he went the whole oppositedirection and started digging
holes and he would put people inboxes in the holes.
What, yes, lindsay, swear toGod.

(40:54):
It's in both books.
It's in both books.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
I gotta put my seatbelt on, dude, this is gonna
Lindsay yes.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Yeah, like we're going into a downward spiral.
Just strapping.
Hold on Barely getting by.
Then nightly meetings wererequired in the pavilion, where
Jim would just go on and on andon into the night Like shut the
fuck up, let these people sleepso they can go to work.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
My God, okay, they couldn't even do their job to
support the community because hewas.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
No, because they were exhausted from being up all
night.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
But he would never shut up.
Okay, he was on that intercomday and night, Like there was
wireless loudspeakers.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Oh, so it played through the whole con room.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Yes, his voice, jim Jones, daddy Jones, and when he
would be tired he would playsome music.
Like he would play some of thegood shit, the things that were
popular, but most of the time itwas just mostly Jim, and he
would even put on recordings ofhis previous rants if he

(42:01):
couldn't talk that day becauseof drug use.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
He recorded everything.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
He started to get and when I play some of the
recordings later I want y'all toknow that trigger warning to
the recordings we play later onin advance.
But Henry Zabrowski from LastPodcast on the Left says that he
starts to sound like thatDroopy Dog cartoon and I cannot
unhear it.

(42:25):
That is what he sounds like 100you know, droopy dog.
Yeah, yeah, okay, so he in thebooks it says that most of his
speech was slurred and itdescribes that as he was talking
like with peanut butter in hismouth lethargic, very lethargic

(42:46):
it's.
It gets bad, it gets bad.
So there were a few people whowould start to leave.
Some people would askpermission and they were told
okay, you got to pay your ownway and never speak ill of the
church.
And then one woman said thatjones told her that she left the
church, not just Jonestown,that she would lose his

(43:09):
protection and would be stabbedin the back, what?
And was made to sign a documentsaying that she had committed
murder which would be turnedinto the police upon her
betrayal.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
So he's sabotaging anybody that's trying leave
jones town.
Yeah, he's sabotaging.
She's trying to just leavejones town, not the whole church
, and he's saying, if you leave,I got you you, I got you yeah,
yeah he ain't fucking with mineand I bet he always looked good
as fuck down there surviving inthe fucking jungle barely oh
yeah on rice and and half achicken for 100 people.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Now, quite a few defectors would just take their
chances in going into the jungleto get to Port Kytuma, which
was the gateway village forJonestown.
Now, ladies and gentlemen,flavor Aid has entered the chat.
I have made a cocktail, do?

Speaker 1 (44:04):
you know how fucking scared we are right now, Lindsay
.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
I mean honestly, I have shown everyone the
ingredients.
I used Tropical Punch, Vodka,Jamaica where's the box?
Jamaica Flavored Flavor Aid andsome soda water.
And I have put four strawsbecause we gotta do this
communist style.
Alright, I'm gonna take thefirst sip just to prove to you
guys there's no poison, and Ihave put four straws because
we've got to do this communiststyle.
All right, I'm going to takethe first sip just to prove to

(44:28):
you guys there's no poison inhere, okay.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
You've got to be more charismatic.
You've got to be like drink theGatorade, Drink the Arnaud's.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Flavorade, flavorade.
Drink it right now, hurry,hurry.
Oh my God, I'm not going to sayit, it's actually really good?

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Is it good?
No, fucking shit.
Is it good?
It's actually kind of strongthough, yeah it is, but it's
good.
So all four of us are drinkingthe fucking Camino style.
That's your straw right there.
What if I drink it out of hisHang on?
But doesn't that color lookwild.

(45:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
So the Jamaica flavorade is blood red.
Just wanted to say that.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Ooh, it's strong, I know, and I didn't drink Jameson
and Jack.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Daniels over here.
Well then, leave that for therest of us.
That's for y'all.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
I'm going to pour me another.
I've loved some ladies and Ihave loved Jim Beam.
Oh, my.
God.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Over here.
Some ladies and I have lovedjim bean, oh my god.
And they both tried to kill meback in 1973.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Totally the 70s right here.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Okay, all right four horsemen for me and then now
back to the story.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
we're back.
Family members were told toreport on each other for any
suspicious behavior, and eventhe children were conditioned to
do the same.
Even the kids, kids.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
We're keeping all eyes on our prize.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Now back in the States, the New West article,
the one that I talked aboutearlier.
It was gaining popularity, onethat I talked about earlier.
It was gaining popularity andother newspapers had joined in
reporting on the people's templedefectors and they were talking
and telling and family membersuh followers were.
They started to join forces.

(46:18):
They uh created the concernedrelatives coalition.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
So everybody's worrying about everybody that's
down there and they're like yeah, they're 6,000 miles away now
this is not fucking right.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
And any mail or anything that's coming in, it's
all being censored, all beingcensored.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
And most mail wasn't getting to them.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
The red flags yeah Right For sure.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
So the relatives still in the States were getting
letters with almost rehearsedstatements and when they were
compared, many of the youngdaughters were saying that they
were engaged to Dr Larry Schacht.
Like all of them, all of them,all the young girls.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
They're engaged.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
They're engaged because every mother wants their
daughter to be a doctor.
A doctor?
Yeah, I mean.
I don't give a fuck.
But I don't have daughterseither.
So Tim and Grace Stone areconstantly filing for Jim to

(47:19):
appear in court about their son,john Victor, and Jim was
ordered to produce the child byOctober 1977.
Then a lawsuit For stolenproperty Was filed by a former
couple Named Deanna and ElmerMyrtle, who had changed their
names, because of fear of thetemple, to Jeannie and Al Mills.

(47:42):
He had them.
He had them completelybrainwashed.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
It was terrible.
So, jeannie and Al Mills, hehad them.
He had them completelybrainwashed.
It was terrible.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
So Jeannie and Al had left because their daughter had
been severely beaten during oneof Joan's punishments in the
temple in 1974.

Speaker 5 (47:58):
That was back still in the States at that point
Right, that was still in Ukiah.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
He was ranking them out and pulling them in the
middle of the congregation.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
That's when the drug use was starting.
He had these people by then.
We're like when he gets toUkiah, we're 27 years in the
making of this empire.
Yeah, oh yeah, I'm sorry whenwe get to Guyana.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
So he's a full-ass Sith Lord by the time.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Absolutely.
By the time he moved down there, he's in.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Death Star mode.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Death Star.
Oh fuck Now, jim.
He had previously accused TimStone, his former right-hand man
, brilliant lawyer.
He had accused him of being aCAI agent.
Is it CIA, cia?
Okay, thank you, because Icompletely wrote that wrong.
It's cool, I like that.
It's cute, it's cool, I likethat it's cute.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
When all this news CAI All day, yes, cai.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
So when all this news of all these people in the
states against Jim Jones made itto Jonestown, the first of many
white knights would happen.
Alert, alert, alert.
Everyone, get your ass to thepavilion now.
So, while people are yeah,that's how it would go down.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
That's how it would go down.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Now they don't talk about that in Road to Jonestown,
but in Raven they do.
So while the people aregathering, jim has Stephen and
Jim Jr go into the woods andtells them to just start
shooting in his direction.
And Stephen, he does this.

(49:35):
And Jim, jim Jones, jim Sr.
He forgets to tell his armedguards, now known as the Red
Brigade, that he was taking anassassination attempt, and one
of the guards just startsshooting back, like Stephen
Jones could have been killed inthis.
And this is all fake.
This is all fake.

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So now all the people aregathered and he tells them that
they are under siege.
The CIA and the FBI they'recoming and this fake siege would
last for six days.
They are under siege, the CIAand the FBI they're coming, and
this fake siege would last forsix days.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Six days, really.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Keeping his followers in full panic mode for six days
straight.
See, jim, he had tried to getin touch with Prime Minister
Reid in Guyana Well, georgetown,excuse me, but couldn't and he
was told Reid's in the States.
What?
So in Jim's paranoid mind, hethinks that Reed has joined
forces now with all of hisdefectors and all of his enemies

(50:38):
and Tim and Graystone back inthe States, right?
So he's like, oh shit, we gotto escape somehow, her and the,
the, the san francisco members,like two or three of them.
They go out into america andthey find reed, who ironically

(51:01):
happens to be in indiana oh,where it all started a fucking
minute, yeah, oh.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
So what more of a realization do you have other
than like this is the fulltrigger, like you've got to wake
up, dude, you can't be thisdeep in.
But I feel like they can't getout yeah.
They know already, they knowit's just stuck.
Oh my God.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
While Marceline's out doing this with the other San
Francisco PR you know, templehandlers Jim's got people
walking through the damn jungletelling them that they are now
they're going to go get on aboat and go to Cuba.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
So they're going to flee?
He's telling them they're goingto flee.
Yeah, they got to fleeJonestown.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
They got to go to Cuba.
Then one elderly lady falls andbreaks her hip and Jim's like
never mind.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
We got gotta go back.
So I mean we're literally rightnow and I'm clouded up right
now, I know we're literallyright now thinking of hundreds
of people just starving,oppressed.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Almost a thousand.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
What.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Almost a thousand Lindsay, yeah it was originally
1100.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Yes but some have left Right.
What the fuck?
Originally 1,100.
Yes, but some have left Right.
Yeah, what the fuck.
Some are still in Georgetown.
There was probably at least 100members still in Georgetown.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
I'm picturing all this.
I'm picturing it right now inmy mind.
It's just like this is fuckinghorrible.
And this is all fake, but whatdo you do?
What do you do?
Like, okay, you fed into allthis and you've moved your ass
down there, because you'refollowing a prophet, right,
right, you're following afucking full-on prophet You're
following a full-on prophet.
You believe in this religion sodeeply, so deep, and you've

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seen him create quotations,miracles, right, and you believe
in this, you fuckingwholeheartedly believe.
I think it's the fucking flavoraid.
that's kicking in right now andI got to have a rant.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
I know I got to have a goddamn rant.
That one little sip just hit mehard boy.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
You believe in this and you've put your whole
livelihood, gave up your wholeexistence to go down to a jungle
To the cots.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
It's all for the cots , and here you are.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
And you Distance to go down to a jungle, to the
cause, it's all for the cause.
Here you are and you're barelygetting by and you know the
gears are missing.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Everything is not.
There's so many gears missing.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Holy shit.
Well, after Marceline, yeah,I'm taking a sip on my own
accord.
Four horsemen Fuck off.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
So when Marceline finds Reed in Indiana, she gets
Reed to get on the radio andtalk to Jim and says, hey,
there's nothing to worry aboutthe fuck, right?
And then Jim's like okay, guys,it's over, the siege is over,
like that.
Like that, like six days ofworry and fret taken off into

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the jungle.
Probably somebody got bit by asnake, I don't really know, but
it can happen.
But before he had spoken withReed he had already told
Marceline that everyone wasready to die in a revolutionary
suicide.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
He's fucking conditioning them.
It's starting Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
It's starting.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Absolutely.
It's starting their mortality.
Yeah.
So now guards, they're onhigher alert.
More white nights were tofollow, like it.
It became like a weekly thingbecause, even though at the
moment things were calm, therisk of Jim having to surrender
little John Victor and the otherTemple kids was real.

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That was real.
There's custody battles, papersare getting filed, documents
are happening.
Jim at this point thinks thatif he goes into Georgetown he's
going to get arrested.
Right, yeah, there's so much.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Anywhere civilized.
Yeah, he's in the middle of thefucking jungle getting by.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Now before the Six Day Siege air quotations.
It was all fake.
That was all Jim Jones paranoid.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Right, we made this bullshit.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
The native Ameridians had been invited to join the
temple on Sundays for movie daysin the pavilion and snacks, and
medical care was provided forthem as well as the temple
members.
But Jim said that couldn'thappen anymore.
Enemies could sneak in withfriends.
Okay, and this really suckedfor the settlers, because when

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they would have visitors, meatwas cooked and there was way
more than just a rice and gravy.
Yeah, it was all a show.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Everything was a show Rides Flash Mountain.
It was great.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Yeah, now back in the States the conserved relatives
are writing letters tocongressmen begging for
officials to intervene becausetheir loved ones were either
being held against their will,brainwashed or both.
So these complaints were sentto Georgetown to investigate and
upon investigation everyonesaid that they were fine and

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they didn't want to leave.
And if they did want to theycould.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
It's all a show?
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
So then there was a press conference stating that if
investigations were continued,the Guyanese government was at
risk for harassment lawsuits.
Yeah, but this did not quietthe concerned relatives, the
defectors Tim Stone or Graystone.
They stepped up their game.
Tim was probably the onlyperson that Jim was truly afraid

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of, as he knew that what abrilliant lawyer he was.
He was, I mean, he worked abook Top tier.
Yes, so Jim gets his entirecongregation, including San
Francisco, to write harmfulaffidavits about Stoen, and he

(56:58):
would even have them writeessays on how they would kill
him.
Yeah, this is what you get todo in your spare time.
In between laboring in thefields, you get to write an
essay on how you're going tokill Tim Stoen.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
You got to know you're coordinating oppression
and you're doing so manyunhumane things to people.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Yeah, so this is how petty Jim was.
He even had gay porn magazinesordered in Tim Stoen's name as a
form of harassment.
Yeah, jim even resulted inbribery and Tim refused.
It was like 10 grand was on thetable.
If you shut the fuck up, youcan have your kid back.

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But Tim was like no, I want mykid back legally, without any of
your bullshit, any of your JimJones crazy bullshit.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
There's a point of manipulation where you can't
fucking manipulate anymore,right.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Exactly Now, steve Katsaris was attempting to get
his daughter, maria Katsaris,out of Jonestown, but
unfortunately she had becomeJim's lover along with Carolyn
Layton.
She was number two.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
No, she was number 522.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
As far as main ones go.
So Marceline, she's top, she'smother.
Carolyn Layton is number onelover, and then Maria Katston is
number one lover, and thenMaria Katsaris is number two
lover Because he wasn't doinganything sexual with Marceline
at this point.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Okay, and the 400 other ones that were in the fuck
book, right, right.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
But they were.
Those were just off to the side.
They were top tier, sodefinitely look back on our
previous episode.
Yes, watch all these.
Please go back.
Yes, please go back All theseIf you don't know where we're at
right now, please go back.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Oh, you don't know where we're at.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Now she did end up meeting up with her father,
along with Carolyn Layton andtwo other temple members, at the
embassy, and unfortunatelyMaria was standoffish.
But she assured her father thatshe was fine and she said she
didn't want to leave.
And he was like you know what?
Okay, I love you and I'm goingto leave you a ticket here at
the Georgetown embassy, just incase you change your mind.
Then, when she left, Stevelearned that Maria had accused

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him of molesting her as a childprompted by Jim Jones, of course
and he had also said the samethings about Greystone and
Little John John.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
None true.
Wasn't that the topic, the bigdiscussion that they completely
had communally all the time, allthe time?

Speaker 3 (59:28):
All the time.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
That was a big subject, big subject.
He was disgusting the drama andall the sexual incantations of
just people always tying intoall this sex, sex, sex.
And it was just him controlling.
And if it wasn't working outfor him, he was like fuck you,
I'm going to change your wholelife, I'll kill you off.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
After these allegations, Steve threatened a
lawsuit, and also those recordsthat had previously disappeared
of Jim's lewd activity inMacArthur Park they resurfaced.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Yeah, the jackknife.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Yeah, they resurfaced .
So then, after this, like Isaid, it's just going to keep
going downhill guys.
Keep up, Stay with me.
Yeah, it's just going to keepgoing downhill guys.

Speaker 5 (01:00:15):
Keep up, stay with me .
Yeah, it's a lot.
I just can't.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
I have a picture of Jim just running after you
Freaking flickety-flackety,flickety-flackety dude.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
He was preventing prostate cancer sir.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Okay, but by now it's unswole.
It's unswole, you're good.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
So then the Jonestown schooling came into question.
Because they did not meet theGuyanese standards and, not
wanting any trouble with theCapitol, jones agreed to
restructure their curriculum,which was supposed to include
like Guyanese history and shitlike that.
So now Marceline, she wassummoned to live in Jonestown.

(01:00:52):
She had been living in SanFrancisco running all that shit
over there.
Jim's like nah, you gotta comedown here, I need some help,
help me out.
But her living quarters wouldbe separate than those of Jim
and his mistresses.
Like I need your help, but yougotta live over here.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
You're not part of the harem.

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
You're not part of the harem like that Was that on
his accord, or on hers?

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
That was his, all his oh yeah he didn't want her
because she still worshipped himSorrowfully, but she continued
to serve as a buffer between Jimand the US and she was still
mother of the temple followers.
That was mother, Like they werenow well aware of his lovers.

(01:01:34):
But Marceline was mother andshe would keep Dr Schacht more
organized because she was awell-experienced nurse.
She was like 30 years in atthis point, 30 to 40 years in in
the game nursing game.
At this point she would alsosneak a bank book because they
weren't supposed to have bankaccounts.
So this was like Ooh.

(01:01:55):
So she snuck a bank book toSteven saying here, this is
yours, this is in your name andkeep it.
Keep it quiet, but you better.
Jim did find out about this,but there were no repercussions
of this.
Yeah, Now Steven would talk Jiminto letting some of the older

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teens form a basketball team tocompete in other areas of Guyana
, mostly in Georgetown.
See, I told you it was abasketball team.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
That he was fucking doing in our first episode.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
The first episode, jim organized a baseball team.
Steven was all about thebasketball.
Oh, because you remember Jim Jr, he was black, he had the
basketball game down.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
So we're getting the fucking band back together again
.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
We're getting the band back together.
We're getting the fucking bandback together.
And then there was another Tim,who Jones had brought under his
wing as a Jones.
There was more adoption, therewas quite a few, but so Steven
Jim Jr and then Tim Jones.

(01:03:03):
They're the boys that are onthe basketball team.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Okay, All-star team yeah they were all-star team.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Yeah, and you know, all of these kids are pretty
much grown at this point,excluding little John, john and
chemo, who had been CarolynLayton's son, who was supposedly
a product of rape, but it wasactually Jim Jones' child, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Part of his deck.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
It was part of his deck.
Yes, yeah Two.
Two teen boys had tried toescape through the jungle to
Venezuela, but they were caughtand placed in leg irons for
several weeks.
Now these people are living offgoddamn rice and gravy with

(01:03:48):
specks of meat in it, but theycan afford leg irons.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Well, they you know, make it, make sense.
It's your concentration camp.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
You gotta have that right yeah, we can have leg
irons, but we can't have anypork, we can't have any chickens
so on top of all that, you havea fucking radio playing through
the compound constantly you canfind quite a bit of his rants

(01:04:16):
and catharsis on YouTube.
Which we played some last week.
We did play some last week ofthe catharsis session.
I can picture it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
But fucking hell.
You've built me up to this,lindsay.
You've built me up to this, andnow I'm picturing this whole
ass fucking thing.
And now he's got a fuckingbasketball team in the middle of
it where they're not.
Jim, this was all steven'sproject, yeah, but I mean, this
was steven was done with hisfather.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
He had clocked out, but he hadn't.
He couldn't technically clockout.
So he's like this is a way forme to get me and these boys out
of here, out of Jonestown, for awhile.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Right, you gotta show a little bit of this little
part of mine yeah.
I'm gonna let it shine.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
Fuck.
On December 9th 1977, lynettaremember Lynetta?
Yeah, jim's mama.
Yeah, she died of naturalcauses in Jonestown.
I mean, she was in poor health,she had chain smoked all of her
life and she was buried.
They had like their own littleprivate cemetery there.

(01:05:20):
They had the whole shebang.
Okay, they got a cemetery andeverything.
Now in the States, bob Houstonand Chris Lewis, who had left
the church.
Remember Chris Lewis?
I talked about him in episodethree.
He had become one of the armedguards.
He had been on murder trial.
He's part of the Red Army nowhe was.
Nope, he's not anymore.
Oh, they left the church andthey were now dead.

(01:05:43):
What they were dead.
They were gunned down, both ofthem by mysterious causes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
How does he control this?
And let me take a sip of thisfucking flavor aid you got here.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
I was going to say Jason's enjoying it.
He's like let me hit this up.
He's like I have no fear ofdying around these people.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
I've been scared, but I ain't dead yet.
We're not dead yet.
Lindsay Jones Stambaugh overhere.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
So they were dead and the blame was on Jim Jones, and
around this same time, that'sgetting better.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
I agree it is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
It gets better by the sip Congressman Leo Ryan.
Remember that till the end, leo.
He started getting involved inthe Jonestown allegations.
Okay, so Jim is now looking foralliance with the Soviet Union,
of course, in the 70s.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Of course, but that was what he used honestly to
start all this shit.
He used literally fucking thatJim goddamn Jones in the Jesus
name of fucking Jesusness, justJesus, jim, jim, jesus Jones,
jesus fucking whatever.
Dude, I'm fixing a rant, dude,I'm fixing it.
No, I'm going to pump theclutch.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
All right, yeah, you got to pump the clutch, because
he is telling his followers thatRussia is now the new escape
plan.
If the government came for thechildren.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
You're fucking me up, dude, my seatbelt's not this
tight reinstall the seatbelt,clutch it, clatchet it, ratchet
it, whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
So now, along with hard labor and having to hear
jim jones's mouth through theloudspeaker all day, every day,
they also have to learn Russianlanguage.
Oh my gosh yeah.
Could you imagine Mother Russia?
And in secret Jones he wasplanning with Dr Schacht on how

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the temple could successfullycommit revolutionary suicide.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
I've got to go some fucking chuckles first, Lindsay,
before you start doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
All right, I'm circling where I'm at.
You go ahead, boo.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
No, I've got to go.
A couple of fucking chuckles,do the chuckles before you drop
the god damn Hiroshima on Jesse.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Hiroshima, nagasaki.
They're coming right here.
I can't even talk because I'vehad this fucking flavor aid.
I don't know what's happeninghere.
We're all dead.
We're all dead.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
How the hell do you use that against everybody?
Build up what did you say?
A 25 year old regime 27.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
27 year old regime of your fucking and he's lost I
mean honestly, he's lost control.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
He was lost before he met the fucking guy drugs took
over.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
He's lost his whole empire, but he's trying to keep
it together she knows she knows,we've been talking about this
for years

Speaker 6 (01:08:48):
peeking out the blinds as they're breaking off,
peeking out the next one,looking at everything outside
and all the methamphetamines andwhat the fuck ever he's taken.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Amphetamines, amphetamines, amphetamines,
barbiturates, tranquilizers he'son tranquilizers too, he's got
his glasses on because he canburn us, the whole glasses he
can burn us.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
The glasses are part of the whole ent.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
He wore his sunglasses at night, day,
everything to the bathroom, allof it, yeah, okay, so ha ha,
chuckle, chuckle for a secondright.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
I mean, come on but I gotta keep plugging though,
okay.
So white knights have nowbecome more frequent, jim
shouting alert, alert, alertthrough the loudspeakers and
would talk about the latest newsagainst the temple, and he
would start rehearsing with thefollowers in his so-called I'm

(01:09:44):
doing air quotes reporter voiceon how they should respond to
allegations against them wheninvestigators would come.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
I'm going red label over here.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Hold on, let me get into February.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Keep on going.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Let me get into February 1978.
All right, okay.
So February 1978, he addedsomething new to the fear.
He tells his followers thatGuyanese soldiers were now ready
to march on Jonestown.
They were posted at PortKaituma and escaping to Russia
was not an option yet and theywere not prepared.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
So he would go back and forth.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
He would go back and forth from the radio room with
more reports.
The armed forces, they're ontheir way, they're ready to
attack, they're ready to killeveryone in Jonestown.
But we don't want to go outlike that, do we?
So are we going to take our ownlives the way we want to?
So Dr Schacht came out withvats of dark liquid and everyone

(01:10:44):
was to line up and take a drink.
And just as he had done thiswith the planning commission,
Why'd?

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
you kick me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
And he told them in 45 minutes you're going to be
dead.
You kicked me under the table.
The ones who would object wereforced by the armed guards to
drink first.
That's why you kicked me andmost did exactly what Daddy
Jones asked.
And when the 45 minutes was up,he said well, you have all

(01:11:15):
passed the test of loyalty andnow you can relax the rest of
the day.
He's got them set up, but butright after this, one pound of
sodium cyanide was ordered, andthis was an 1800 lethal dose

(01:11:35):
pound, and it was purchased byLarry Schacht for $8.85.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
$8.85.
$8.85.
It is the worst fucking numberI've ever heard in my life.
Yep, lindsay, you're kicking meunder the table right now.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Well, I told you this was going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
I've been telling you , you know you know Johnny
Walker red label over here, soI'm like a little fucking
intoxicated right now.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Lindsay, yes, you are , I am too, but I'm going to
keep going because I've got alot.
I was supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
You told me to be like this.
I did I was supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
You told me to be like this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
I did and I'm like this, so you still got to get
through two more, so maybe thisisn't the worst foursome we've
ever had.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Which is good, because we've got a lot more to
go, folks, okay Okay, keepstrapped in, keep strapped in.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
I'm going to turn this way and go this way.
Keep going.
Go back and check out all theother ones.
We've done too Shit.
Keep going, lindsay, just doyour thing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
So the next day Jim has the congregation write
essays on what if this was thelast white knight he had them
write essays.
Write essays about it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
He's planning on that being the terminology for the
end.
Oh, he's conditioning andconditioning he's practicing.
He's planning on that being theterminology for the end.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Oh, he's conditioning and conditioning, he's
practicing, he's getting ready.
He's getting ready.
Now in the States, Tim Graceand the Concerned Relatives
Coalition they're still fighting.
Jim Jones had a reporter comefrom the Soviet Union to explore
a facade of Jonestown life,with the delusions that this

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would help them be able toescape there.
Like he's already, he's tellinghis congregation we're going to
go to the Soviet Union, we'regoing to go, we're going to be
ready, we're going to, we'regoing to.
It's going to be cold, it'sgoing to be rough, but that's
where we're going to go.
We're going to mother Russia.
He's got the Soviet embassywhich is there's a part of that
in Guyana or in Georgetown.

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He's got, he's doing, he'spulling all the channels.
He's getting them ready.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
So socialism has turned into communism Right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
They're a complete communist now.
Yeah, so he had people from hisinner circle seek out other
possible places to escape to and, marceline, she would meet with
all kinds of officials inrussia, cuba and north korea
socialist.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
We're not trying to put politics into this at all.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
We're not no, I skipped past a lot of the
politics that are involved inthis, because I will plug all of
the sources that you can listento.
That will literally explain indetail all the players, all the
political players in thismachine.
Jim would send out letters toother socialist nations and also

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sent a letter to Jimmy Carter,who was president at the time.
Now he had already made budswith Rosalind Carter, but he was
explaining how he had siredJohn John, john Victor, the
whole start of this downwardspiral at the request of Tim
Stone, and why he should be ableto keep him.

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And the more time went on, jimwould start laying up for days,
days at a time, due to downers.
I mean, he was in full-blownmess of an addict and he was
only lucid when he was takingamphetamines.
That's the only time he waslucid at this point.

(01:15:10):
Yeah.
And that's when his rants on theradio, because I don't know if
you guys have had any experiencewith uppers I do.
They do make you just blabber,just constant blabber, and then
your mouth gets dry.
So you start to it's just, it'sa mess.
And he's got his own littleprivate stash of cognac in there

(01:15:32):
too, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Uppers and downs.
Ups of cognac in there too.
Oh yeah, ups and downs, ups anddowns.
So when he has to maintain apersona of all this and make
people still stay on it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Oh, he don't give a fuck at this point kilter no, I
mean he's got he, yes, he.
He's got all of his pc and his.
He's got some more of this.
He's got additional lawyers.
He's drinking more of thepoison he's got more lawyers at
his side.
Now that Tim Stone has left,he's got more lawyers that are

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all about the cause, all aboutJim Jones.
I mean the impact that this manhad on people.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
it blows my mind, I think I drank out of the wrong
straw.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
No, you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
I'm right Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
And, along with his personal collection of cognac
and all that, he's got a fullfridge of sodas, he's got a
pantry full of snacks and all ofhis followers are almost on the
verge of starving and he'sgetting fatter.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
He's living his fucking lavish life.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
He's getting fatter, he's living his fucking he's
getting some of that yeah now hestarted constantly he started
constantly complaining aboutaches and pains, and I guess his
little healing powers didn'twork on himself well they didn't
have enough chicken guts.
There wasn't enough chickens toeat and when another follower
was diagnosed with cancer, hecouldn't heal her either, so

(01:16:58):
they just made her comfortableuntil she literally just passed
away.
Yeah, the followers arestarting to see who he really is
, which is a pathetic old drugaddict, and his divinity appeal
had started to wear off.
He's on this microphone.
He is barking at people andmumbling and drug-induced

(01:17:18):
stupors over the loudspeakersfrom his bed and the followers.
They just learned how to turnoff the speakers.
At least they did that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Keep the ones close going that way, he thought he
was projecting and broadcastingthrough the fucking communist
commune.
Yeah, the communist commune.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
Now, most would just think that he was projecting
broadcasting through the fuckingcommunist commune.
Yeah, now, most would justthink that he was overwhelmed
with stress or you know of theinsubordinate and the dealings
going on in the states.
They're just like oh, daddy'sstressed out, we gotta make him
comfortable, okay.
And so they started todiscipline each other and they

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would report back to daddy.
And most of these people hadfollowed Jim for so long that
they could not think forthemselves.
There was no other way in life.
The children that was what theywere born into.
They literally knew nothingelse, Nothing else, Nothing else
.
So one settler, they took itupon themselves to write a blunt

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letter to the senators andmembers of Congress basically
saying that the people's temperwere tired of being harassed and
they were willing to dietogether instead of having to
move from one continent toanother.
They were tired of dealing withSocial Security and the IRS and
the FCC and the conservedrelatives and Tim and Grace

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Stoen, and they just wanted tolive in peace.
So now there's literally adocument, written document,
saying that they were ready todie together.
Okay, so after that, SteveKatsaris and Tim Stoen they
drafted a 48-page documenttitled Accusation of Human
Rights Violations by ReverendJames Warren Jones Against Our

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Children and Relatives in theJungle Encampment of Guyana,
South America.
That's a mouthful, but that'swhat it was called.
I mean Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Okay, they're part of California.
Yeah, moved to South America,right, and now we're getting
told to move to fucking Asia.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
In severe.
I mean the jungle's hot as fuck, and they've adapted to that.
Now they gotta go to cold asfuck yeah.
Like.
How do you adapt?
There's not enough flavor aidin the world to get me to go
live in the Soviet Union.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Oh, you're kicking us all under the table, right in
the dick.
You're kicking us.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
So they also.
So Steve Katsaris, tim Stoen,the concerned relatives, they
all made flyers about theseconditions and they passed them
out to all the people of SanFrancisco and surrounding areas
with the Guyanese officials'contact information.
So now they're like on theGuyanese government dick.

(01:20:05):
They're like calling, like Ineed to know about Susie Soso
and Tommy Soso.
We need to know what's going on, do your fucking job Do your
fucking job Right, butunfortunately Guyanese was like
we don't want no part of this.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
No, we're small government.
Thank you for coming here.
You bought the land.
It's on you, right.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
Fuck, but it was leased and they had made several
inspections and when theinspections happened, everything
was okay.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
Oh, the theme park was running.
Good, the theme park wasrunning good while officials
were there Correct.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
Now, after Jim received news of all of this, he
had another white night, butnow he was discussing how to
blow Tim and Greystone's brainsout to the whole congregation
Jeez.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
So he's leveled up Wow.
He's leveled up.
He's leveled up Dramatic.
He's talking about up, wow.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
He's leveled up.
He's leveled up, dramatic.
He's talking about murder, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Straight up.
I'm going to let you see thishappen, and this is going to
happen in the name of Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
But soon after.
Is he still using Jesus?
We're at peak, heightenedParanoia.
You know, just paranoia.
Fear.
You're over here twerking likeme, I'm like God.
This story, dude, is so fuckinghorrific.
To try and ease some of thenegative attention on Jonestown,
carolyn Layton decided toinvite her parents for a visit.

(01:21:24):
Now Layton, her parents hadtaken in Debbie Layton, who had
been Carolyn's sister-in-lawwhen she was still married to
Larry Layton.
That's in past episodes.
You gotta listen.
Debbie Layton had been incharge of the finances.
There was a little team there,but Debbie was at the top.

(01:21:45):
Okay, debbie, she had finallyhad enough of Jim Jones and the
jungle life.
She was over in Georgetown andthat was enough for her.
She was like fuck this.
And when Carolyn's parents wentback home, she was like this is
my cue.
This is my cue to deuce thisout.

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So when she gets back to theStates, she decides to join in
the cause against the temple andmakes her own affidavit about
Jonestown.
She talked about the whiteknights.
She talked about the whiteKnights.
She talks about the hiddenmoney that were in several
different accounts, like Jim's,making these people think that
they're fucking poor and they'renot.

(01:22:26):
There's millions of dollars,right, there's millions of
dollars.
No, I'm sorry, there's hundredsof thousand dollars in his own
personal cabin.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
He's trying to make, but there's millions on's own
and tell them.
This is all we have.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
There's millions in other accounts.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
The US is still making it and he's telling them
this is all we fucking have,this is all you got, and we're
going to do all these tests.
Toward the end of yourexistence.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Well, she puts in her affidavit about the plan for
mass suicide.
Oh, I knew it but there was notenough urgency on taking action
.
I mean like, come on, y'all aregetting like written affidavits
here.
Okay, senators, officials,guyanese, american, y'all got

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this shit on paper.
You're not doing enough.
You're not doing enough.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
He's got the best fucking lawyer I've ever heard
in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
Right, well, debbie, she's now a Jonestown enemy, and
the spiral just keeps goingdown further.
So back in Jonestown, LarrySchacht is now drugging people
who are insubordinate and whotry to escape in the extensive
care unit, the ECU.
He's drugging people now tobehave Like we've got some whole

(01:23:46):
ass fucking MKUltra type shitgoing on right here.
I don't know about.
Mkultra.
Okay, yeah, that's going to bea deep dive we're going to do
later on.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Don't kick me under the table, no more.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
So we're a reporter for the national inquirer comes
down to Georgetown to try andget a story on Jonestown, but he
was blocked.
He was completely blocked fromdoing so, but he was in the area
long enough that it made JimJones very paranoid.
And Jim's like this fucker haschartered a plane, he's taking

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pictures, he's flying above us.
The paranoia is in full force.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Pressure is on and he done practiced for this shit.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
So all this would happen over and over again, back
and forth.
Media coverage in the States,white nights in the jungle,
private eyes are gettinginvolved, more visits to
jonestown from officials andthey would, just, like I said,
they were putting on the show,the theme.
Like you say, the theme park wasfull, full, full, running all

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the vendors, all the food trucksare going yeah full boil and
until september 1978, when leoryan started making his plan to
visit jonestown and wanted totake more congressmen with him,
with some reporters, along withtim and grace stone.

(01:25:11):
Now, all of the congressmenthat he had asked he's like come
on, y'all want to go on this,y'all want to go on this journey
with me.
They were like no, brother,we're good, okay.
But on November 15th 1978,congressman Leah Ryan arrived at

(01:25:31):
LaMaha Gardens in Georgetownwhere some of the followers were
living.
Like I said, they had their ownlittle Gardens in Georgetown
where some of the followers wereliving.
Like I said, they had their ownlittle thing in Georgetown.
Guyanese officials said youknow what?

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
we're not involved, keep us out of it, but they're
the representative of JonestownRight.
You know, in their location.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
Well, they were the ones that gave Jim Jones
permission to develop this land.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
Right developed this land.
It's a forum to form this wholecommune Fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
Like I said, they said they hadn't found any proof
that there was anyone beingheld against their will and Jim
would say that Ryan's visit washarassment and Guyanese did not
want to be a part of thatharassment allegation.
So Ryan met with the Jonestownlawyers and the Jonestown
lawyers said you know what we'regoing to, we don't want you

(01:26:19):
over here just yet.
And this, this, this wholevisit was unexpected and you
haven't been invited toJonestown and the media and the
conserved relatives they'redefinitely you're definitely not
getting a club, yeah right.
So, senator Ryan, he's like look, I come in peace, but I just

(01:26:40):
need to find out for myself thateveryone is okay, and can I?
I can put all of this concernto rest.
And Ryan was told that Jim, hewasn't really feeling well and
wasn't able to have a visit.
So Jim learns of the arrival ofthe congressman and he is
pissed, but his lawyers are likelisten, let this happen.

(01:27:02):
The media is going to printsomething either way.
So let it be something positiveand it will be a whole lot
better if you cooperate, daddyJones.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
You got the theme park set up right though Is
Space Mountain fucking running,and the lawyers are like you
know what cooperate, daddy jones, you got the theme park set up.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
right though is is space mountain fucking running
and the lawyers are like youknow what, if people want to
leave, if some people want toleave, let them, and that would
be more food for the ones whodid want to stay, because there
are a lot that are all aboutthis cause and all about this
life and that they want to stay.
Let the ones that want to leave.
Let them leave, because allthey had was two fucking
chickens Right.

(01:27:37):
Two and finally, marceline.
She was the voice of reason.
She was like hey, we're proudof what we built.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
I'm fucking you over the chickens, I'm sorry, fuck
off.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
Yeah, let's pull it off.
And the plan was that Ryan andthe entourage because he's got
media, he's got the concernedrelatives with him let's let
them fly into Port Kytuma fromGeorgetown, because they would
have to charter a plane fromGeorgetown to Port Kytuma.
Then they would drive the westof the way in to Guyana.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
We're thinking of a vast, huge fucking jungle in.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
South America.
It is, it very is.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
That's what you have to put in perspective, and a
hunk of 900 human beings tryingto live off two fucking chickens
, literally how, how.
There's not enough to sustainit.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
They're eating rice.
Nothing're eating rice all day.
Nothing's coming in Unlesssomebody important comes in,
then they get them a pig.
They slaughter that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
And he's telling them the end is coming.
Yeah, we're fixing to move toRussia, so this we're going to
make this fucking happen.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
So this right now okay, we're on Friday, november
17th.
Okay, we're on Friday, november17th.
So Senator Ryan, or CongressmanRyan, I'm sorry had gotten into
Georgetown on the 15th.
He doesn't get to Jonestowntill the 17th.
There was negotiations and Timthat wrote Raven he is one of

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the reporters that were on thisor that were in this entourage
and he explains to you what theyhad to go through to get to
Jonestown.
So I definitely I'm going toplug those books at the end.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Well, Lindsay has been living in Raven.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
I have been living in Raven.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
For the last month.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
Yeah, raven, and the Road to Jonestown.
Those are the two that.
I've been reading how do youexist?

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
I've literally been living in Jonestown for two
weeks right now.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
No, for a month, lindsay.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
Well, there's the buildup to Jonestown, but I've
been living in Jonestown like inthe real world for two weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
Yeah, for a month You've been living in Jim Jones
everything.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
So they get there on November 15th.
They don't get to Jonestownuntil Friday, november 17th.
They arrive to Port Kytumaaround 4pm and they're greeted
with some less than friendlymembers of the temple and they
were drove in the rest of theway.
They're greeted by Marceline atthe Jonestown entrance.

(01:30:19):
Marceline, she's the sweet,beautiful face of this whole
organization Because she is thecalming.
She's the calm when everythingelse is just pure fucking chaos.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
She's the calm, she's like the face of the whole ass
theme park.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
Well, they get there.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
Making them feel good about it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
Right, they get greeted by Marceline and an hour
and a half later, jim Jones inhis fucking glasses.
They show up this hour and ahalf later, okay.
So before, prior to the visit,everything had had to be
hurriedly cleaned up.
So, before, prior to the visit,everything had had to be
hurriedly cleaned up.
And the women in the kitchen?
They're baking fresh bakedbread and pastries, things that

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this commune were not getting ona daily basis at all.
Yeah, so, ryan, he immediatelyupon arrival that he immediately
starts talking to familymembers of the concerned
relativesed Relatives Coalitionto see how they were doing, and
no one complained.
Then dinner was served and itwas a whole pig feast with yummy

(01:31:25):
sides and fresh baked biscuitsand the Jonestown Band which was
called the Jonestown Expressthey made records and everything
.

Speaker 4 (01:31:34):
They got the band back together.
You can find them on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
They made records and everything.
They got the band back together.
You can find them on YouTube,okay, so they performed and the
guests and everyone was having agrand time, okay, and Jim Jones
even allowed a personalinterview along with Mr Muggs.
Yeah, he's hanging out.
He even brought little Jon Jonthe whole thing, everything's

(01:31:56):
Gucci hanging out.
He even brought little JohnJohn, the whole thing.
John John's the cake, it's allGucci.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
Let me drink some more of this here.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
He brought John John over in front of the reporters.
That's me.
He's taking part of our commutaldrink here.
So he was asked in front ofreporters, little John John, if
he wanted to go back and livewith grace, and little john john
said no, like he had.

(01:32:22):
Even like prior to all this, hehad been heard on the ham radio
of how he hated his whoremother like it was.
It was insane.
Leo ryan was asked to say a fewwords to the crowd and he was
like you know what?
This is a nice commune here andwith the conversations that
I've had, everyone said thatthis was the best thing that has

(01:32:44):
ever happened to them and thecrowd you can find this on
YouTube the crowd is roaringwith cheers.
I mean, it is explosivecheering.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
They're happy that the theme park's back open for
somebody to come check it out.
They're getting to eat somepork.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
Yeah, they're happy and they're like you know what.
Maybe all this is going to takesome pressure off of dad and
we're not going to have to livein this fear all day anymore.
Right, right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
So then Jim went on to announce that the basketball
score of the boys playing inGeorgetown he was like we won by
10 points but they had actuallylost by 10 points.
But Jim could never tell thetruth.
They were not that good, theywere inexperienced, they were
just trying to get out ofJonestown Right For the day, for
the night, for the week,something else.

(01:33:34):
Whatever?
Yeah, butim's like we did it.
We whooped him.
We whooped their fucking ass by10 points.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
In the name of jesus, is he still doing the name of
jesus?
No, tell me no, we're in thename of jim's name with jim's
okay, so he is full on theparaphernalious.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
Yes, of so many, of so many, of so many.
He's the paraphernalious.
I said this on the last one too.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
He is just the epitome of the reincarnate of
him himself, jesus.
For who, he, who he Upon how?
He is the bread and he's thelife.
He, who, he, who, he Up on high, he is the bread, he's the hue
and he's the life, he's the hue.
You have to on high.

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
Yes, yes, but Woo, during Leah Orion's speech, a
note had been passed to areporter from NBC, to Don Harris
, by way of a man named VernonGosney, stating him and Monica

(01:34:42):
Bagby needed help getting out ofJonestown.
This is the note.
This is where it all fallsapart.
Okay, now a little boy.
Remember I told you they wereall conditioned to tattle on
each other.
A little boy had spotted thisand said he passed the note.
He passed the note, so Jimknows.
Jim knows already, everybodyfucking knows Ryan he decided to

(01:35:06):
stay in Jonestown whileeveryone else the rest of the
media crew, everybody else theywent back to Port Kytuman Now
many of the concerned relativesthey had back to Port Kytuma Now
many of the concerned relatives.
They had had to stay back inGeorgetown.
There just wasn't enough roomand Jim was like no, they can't
come.
This, this and this person cancome.
Them motherfuckers got to stayover there, which would turn out

(01:35:28):
to be better for them.
Okay, so they planned on leavingthe next day.
And Ryan, he wanted to helpthese people who had passed the
note, he wanted to help them out.
And Jim Jones, like I said, healready knew.
And by the next morning, onNovember 18th 1978, this is the

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date you will want to rememberNine settlers escaped into the
jungle, six adults and threekids, and they knew their
absence would be overlooked withall the visitors there.
Okay, and to their surprisethey found two more, so that was

(01:36:10):
11 total that had escaped themorning prior to everybody
waking up.
While everybody's there, whilethe whole everything's going on,
the theme park is in full swing.
Yeah.
So breakfast was served andthen Ryan commenced with more
interviews.
The media they had went back toPort Katuma.
They showed back up, they gottheir truck back in and

(01:36:30):
Marceline's like let me take youon a tour.
And this was happening whileRyan's.
He's interviewing other peopleand the reporters.
They found that everything wasjust a little too perfect, a
little too rehearsed, and askedif they could just walk around
by themselves.
And Marceline's like no, yougot to stay with me, you got to
stay with me.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
You can't see what's happening behind Pirates of the
Caribbean.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
Exactly Behind the curtains.
Exactly Behind the curtains,yeah.
So a little later in the day,news of the 11, the early
morning, defectors had gottenspread around.
So around noon Jim Jones andhis glasses showed up and
learned about the defectors andRyan told him that there were a

(01:37:14):
few more members that wanted toleave and he was going to take
them.
Period, that's it.
You ain't got shit to say aboutthis.
They're going with me.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
Jim is going to take them.
No no, no, senator Ryan, he'sgoing to take them.

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
He told Jim Jones there are a few more that want
to leave and I'm taking themwith me, right?

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
They have spoke out.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
So Jones put on he put on the thing, the whole, the
whole thing, and he was like hetried to show them warmth and
Marceline said things, she'slike, things will change, we're
going to do better, we're goingto, everything's going to be
better.
But these folks said, nope, wewant to go, nope, we want to go.

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So they all gather their thingsand then a huge, huge,
unexpected storm came throughand Jack Carter, who will be
famous later on, he recalls thatit felt like evil had blown
into Jonestown and everyonehuddled into the pavilion.
Now, after the storm blew over,leo Ryan now had he had about
15 people that wanted to leavewith him.
Now, after the storm blew over,leo Ryan now had he had about
15 people that wanted to leavewith him and he asked he told

(01:38:20):
Jim Jones, I need theirpassports, you gotta get them
out of lockup.
Yeah, because, like I saidbefore, all their passports were
in, they were in his possession.
He had them locked up.
He had them locked up thelawyers.
They were all about this.

Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
We're drinking so much of this.
We're drinking the Jonestowncocktail.

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
That's what we're going to call.
That.
Is this mine?
Yes, yes, but, like I said, thelawyers were all about this and
they had actually beenexpecting a larger number, but
Jones was absolutely enraged.
Even one de facto was too manyfor him.
That was too much for DaddyJones.

(01:39:05):
He's like fuck you, you're alltraitors, fuck you all.
Now he felt that this was justgoing to keep happening to the
point where Jonestown was nomore.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
He's losing his grip.
He's losing his grip.
He's losing his grip, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:17):
And John Victor would mostly be taken from him sooner
than later.
His empire it was crashing downand the night before he had
been planning the last whitenight with Carolyn Layton, maria
Katsaris, annie Moore who hadbeen kind of like a personal
nurse and lover to Jim Jones atthis point and of course Larry

(01:39:39):
Schacht, the last white knightwas underway.
It was planned.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
I feel like you're fixing to really fuck us up.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
Absolutely.
You all know at this table howthis ends.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
This quadruple is fixing to get fucking fucked up
right now.

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
So when the entourage and the defectors loaded in the
truck back to Port Kytuma, aman named Al Simon he comes
running to the truck with achild in each arm saying that he
wanted to leave too.
And then Larry Layton said metoo.
But Larry Layton was armed andhe was a plant pretending to be

(01:40:15):
a defector.
So the rest of the defectorswere like huh, no way, this guy
is super devoted.
Something is wrong yeah.
If he's leaving.
Something's going on, right.
So, leo Ryan, he had to staybehind and wait for another
truck because so many wanted toleave, which I say so many, it
was only 15.

Speaker 5 (01:40:36):
That's still a lot of people to try and get vehicle
out.

Speaker 3 (01:40:38):
Yeah, because they got to go.
They got to take this truckright in a sticky mud to pork
hituma, it's a thing.
So while he was there, afollower I forgot to write his
name down, but it's in the booksthat I'm gonna plug.
At the end of the episode hecame up behind him and tried to
cut his throat, sayingmotherfucker, you're gonna die.

(01:40:59):
But then this guy accidentallycut his own hand and then the
jonestown security pulled himaway.
So when you see pictures, youdon't fuck with the machine well
, when you, when you seepictures later on of leo ryan
and he's splattered with blood,it was because of this guy and
his hand that he sliced open.

(01:41:20):
So now Ryan's like wait for me.
Truck and which had gottenstuck in the mud and was now
being pulled out by a tractor,and Ryan said fuck these people,
if more want to leave, we'lltry another day.
But Jim, he knew it was allover, so everyone was instructed

(01:41:42):
to go back to their cottagesand Jim went back to his cabin
and six armed men of the redbrigade would follow that truck.

Speaker 1 (01:41:52):
So, everything is unspiraling right now.
His whole regime is just comingunwound.

Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
I'm going to go to Georgetown for a minute, okay,
so Jimmy Jr, jim Jr and Stevenwhole regime is just coming
unwound.
Well, I'm gonna go togeorgetown for a minute, okay,
so jimmy jr, jim jr and steven.
They were still in georgetownand they were told by sharon
amos, who was the pr director,who lived in georgetown in the
lamaha gardens, that was thejonestown chapel there, or
whatever you want to call it,chapter yeah the face, the face,

(01:42:20):
so she said hey, you need tocome to the radio room.
Your father wants to speak withyou.
So, Big Jim, he says to themhey, you're going to meet with
Mr Frazier, and this code meanteverybody dies.

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
What.

Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
Yeah, so little.
Jimmy.
Jimmy Jr, who is a grown manbut he's still a junior, he
summoned for the other Jonestownboys, including Steven, to come
back from the movies, causethey had all.
They had already played theirbasketball.
They read a movie.
Right, they come back.
And they did just in time forSharon Amos, a very devoted

(01:42:59):
follower, to receive receive thecode KNIV, and everyone in La
Maja Gardens and in SanFrancisco also received this
code.
And Stephen, he's like hold on,wait a minute, y'all chill,
hold on, give it a minute.
So now back in Port Kytuma, thetruck has arrived, the planes

(01:43:23):
have arrived and Senator Ryanand the entourage and the
defectors, they're getting readyto board.
Okay, but some they were goingto have to stay in Port Kytuma
because there were only 24 seatsand there were 33 people now
okay.
So there's total panic andeveryone's weary I mean really

(01:43:44):
weary of Larry Layton's presence.
They're like why the fuck isthis guy here?
And then the armed red brigadeshow up and while Ryan was
filming one last interview withthe media because they were
going to be the first to leaveso they could release their
stories, larry Layton openedfire, shooting the defectors,

(01:44:07):
and then the red brigade joinedin in the shooting and then they
took off.
So now, leo Ryan, and if youwere, the defectors and some of
the media were dead and and theyhave shook up the fucking
machine.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
It has been shown.

Speaker 3 (01:44:25):
And then the rest were either wounded or they took
off into the jungle and they'retrying to wait and see if the
Red Brigade returns.
And then they had to wait foranother plane in the morning.
Now the author of Raven, TimRitterman, was among this media

(01:44:48):
entourage and he survived, andthat's why we have this book the
Raven.
We have Raven, okay.
In Jonestown it was time forthe final white night.
Everyone was summoned into thepavilion and the pavilion was
circled with armed guards.

(01:45:09):
Jim Jones could be her sayingto Maria Katsaris Is there a way
to make it taste less bitterwhat she shook her head?
No, and Jim told Maria to makesure that Larry Schacht could
make it taste less bitter.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
I mean, our flavor aid over here is really fucking
good.
I mean, we've almost finished.

Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
But we don't have it mixed with cyanide, no what.

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
We haven't Lindsay what, yeah, what happened?

Speaker 3 (01:45:38):
What you just threw, what we mixed ours with a
tropical punch vodka.
Theirs was mixed with cyanide.
Oh fuck, Did you what?
Somewhere in the commune therewere already test subjects
laying dead.

Speaker 1 (01:45:54):
Really.

Speaker 3 (01:45:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
Lindsay.

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
So they could see how fast it was going to happen.
It happened Lindsay.
So then Jim takes the stage sothey could see how fast it was
going to happen Lindsay.

Speaker 8 (01:46:17):
So then Jim takes the stage.
How very much I've loved you,how very much.
I've tried my best to give youthe good life.
But in spite of all that I'vetried, a handful of our people

(01:46:40):
with their lives have made ourlife impossible.
There's no way to detachourselves from what's happened
today.
Not only are we in a compoundsituation, not only are there
those who have left andcommitted the betrayal of the
century.
Some have stolen children fromothers and they're in pursuit

(01:47:04):
right now to kill them becausethey stole their children.
And we are sitting here waitingon a powder keg.
I don't think this is what wewant to do with our babies.
I don't think that's what wehad in mind to do with our
babies.
It was said by the greatest ofprophets from time immemorial no

(01:47:24):
man takes my life from me.
I lay my life down.
So to sit here and wait for thecatastrophe that's going to
happen on that airplane?
It's going to be a catastropheAlmost happened here, almost
happened.
The congressman was nearlykilled here.
But you can't steal people'schildren.
You can't take off withpeople's children without

(01:47:48):
expecting a violent reaction.
And that's not so unfamiliar tous either if we even if we were
judeo-christian, if we weren'tcommunists the world, the
kingdom, suffers violence, andthe violence will take it by
force.
If we can't live in peace, thenlet's die in peace.

(01:48:09):
We've been so betrayed.
We have been so terriblybetrayed.
May have been so terriblybetrayed, but we tried and, as
Jack Beam often said, I don'tknow where he sat right this
moment.
Where's Jack?

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
He said, if this only worked one day it was
worthwhile.

Speaker 8 (01:48:41):
What's going to happen here in a matter of a few
minutes is that one of thosepeople on that plane is going to
shoot the pilot.
I know that I didn't plan it,but I know it's going to happen.
They're going to shoot thatpilot and down comes that plane
into the jungle and we hadbetter not have any of our
children left when it's over,because they'll parachute in
here on us.
I'm telling you just as plainas I know how to tell you I've

(01:49:07):
never lied to you.
I never have lied to you.
I know that's what's going tohappen, that's what he intends
to do and he will do it.
He'll do it.
Fortunately, being so bewildered, with many, many pressures on
my brain seeing all these peoplebehave so treasonous, it was
just too much for me to puttogether.
But uh, I now know what he wastelling me and it'll happen if

(01:49:32):
the plane gets in the air.
Even so, my opinion is that webe kind to children and be kind
to seniors and take the portion,like they used to take in
ancient Greece, and step overquietly, because we are not
committing suicide.
It's a revolutionary act.

(01:49:53):
We can't go back.
They won't leave us alone.
They're now going back to tellmore lies, which means more
congressmen, and there's no way,no way we can survive.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
Lindsay, why do you got me puddled so Puddled?
Right now I am just literallyFull on Puddled.
It's gonna get worse.
No, it's not.
I'm gonna leave literally fullon puddled.

Speaker 3 (01:50:22):
It's going to get worse.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
No, it's not.
I'm going to leave, I'm gettingon that plane.
You can't leave.

Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
You're committed.

Speaker 1 (01:50:31):
I'm not allowed to cry over here am.

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
I so at this point, the people's temple were hopeful
that this was just a test, butit was not.

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
And he's been preparing them for all that this
whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:50:46):
Larry Schacht and nurses came out with vats of
cyanide mixed with flavor aid.

Speaker 1 (01:50:52):
Fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:50:52):
What the.
The children were the first togo and their parents were to
administer the liquid by syringeinto their mouths, all while
the band played and people werelining up to thank Jim Jones Not
a part of us, so we might aswell end it now because I don't

(01:51:14):
see.

Speaker 8 (01:51:16):
The congressman has been murdered.
I'm ready, it's all over.
It's all over, all over.

(01:51:36):
What a legacy.
What a legacy.
But the Red Brigade's the onlyones that ever made any sense
anyway.
They invaded our privacy, theycame into our home, they
followed us 6,000 miles away.
The Red Brigade showed themjustice.
The congressman's dead.
No fucking justice here.
Please get us some medication.

(01:52:00):
It's simple.
It's simple.
There's no convulsions with it.
It's simple.
Just please get it Before it'stoo late.
The GDF will be here.
I tell you get moving, getmoving, get moving.
Don't be afraid to die If thesepeople, land out here.
They'll torture some of ourchildren here.
They'll torture our people.
They'll torture our seniors.
We cannot have this.
They'll torture some of ourchildren here.
They'll torture our people.
They'll torture our seniors, wecannot have this?

(01:52:23):
Are you going to separateyourself from whoever shot the
congressman?
I don't know who shot him.
No, no.
No, no, no.

Speaker 5 (01:52:36):
I just want to say something to everyone that I see
that is standing around andcrying.
This is nothing to cry about.
This is something we should allrejoice about.
We should be happy about this.
They always told me we shouldcry when you're coming into this
world.
But when we're living in people.

(01:52:58):
I think we should be happyabout this.
I was just thinking about Jesus.
He just has suffered, andsuffered, and suffered.
He is the only God and he don'teven have a chance to enjoy
himself here and I wanted to sayone more thing, this is one

(01:53:19):
thing I want to say that's huge,it's gone.
There's one more thing, this isone thing I want to say that
few, that's gone.
There's many more here.
That's not all of us, that'snot all yet, that's just a few
that has got a chance to get tothe one that they could tell
their story to their lives to.
I'm looking at so many peoplecrying.

(01:53:40):
I wish you would not cry.
Just thank father, just thankhim months, and I never felt
better in my life, not in SanFrancisco, but until I came to

(01:54:05):
Jonestown.
I've enjoyed this life, I'vehad a beautiful life and I don't
see nothing for us to be cryingabout.
We should be happy.
At least I am.

Speaker 3 (01:54:19):
At this point, children are literally dying
around me.

Speaker 1 (01:54:28):
They're clapping and praising him.

Speaker 3 (01:54:32):
They're playing the little church music and shit.
In the background, the band'salways got to play.

Speaker 5 (01:54:37):
I'm going to be alive today.
I'd just like to thank Dad,because he was the only one that
stood up for me when I neededhim.

Speaker 3 (01:54:43):
You're abusing me, Lindsay.
I know I'm sorry, I'm abusingmyself.

Speaker 7 (01:54:47):
I'm glad you're, my brothers and sisters, I'm glad
to be here.

Speaker 8 (01:54:52):
Okay, please, for God's sakes, let's get on with
it.
We've lived, we've lived.
There's no other people.
People have lived and loved.
This is the rush part We've hadas much of this world as you're
going to get.
Let's just be done with it.
Let's be done with the agony ofit.
It's far, far harder to have towatch you every day die slowly,
and from the time you're achild to the time you get gray,

(01:55:19):
you're dying.
It's honest and I'm sure thatthey'll pay for it.
They'll pay for it.
This is a revolutionary suicide.
This is not a self-destructivesuicide.
So they'll pay for this.
They brought this upon us andthey'll pay for that.
I leave that destiny to them.
Yes, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

(01:55:40):
Who wants to go with their childhas a right to go with their
child.

Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
This is rough.

Speaker 8 (01:55:43):
I think it's humane.
Humane, I want to go.
I want to see you go, thoughthey can take me and do with me
whatever they want to do, I wantto see you go.
I don't want to see you gothrough this hell, no more.
I don't want to see you gothrough this hell, but they can
take me, we're trying.

Speaker 5 (01:55:59):
If everybody will relax.

Speaker 8 (01:56:04):
The best thing you do to relax is you have no problem
.

Speaker 3 (01:56:09):
So at this point, Marceline is beside herself, and
then that will come up.

Speaker 7 (01:56:14):
The children here a great deal because of Jim Jones
and the way the children arelaying there now.
I'd rather see them lay likethat than to see them have to
die like the Jews did, which waspitiful anyhow.
And I'd just like to thank Dadfor giving us life and also

(01:56:42):
death, and I appreciate the fact, the way our children are going
Because, like Dad said, whenthey come in, what they're going
to do to our children they'regoing to massacre our children
and also the ones that they takecaptured.
They're going to just let themgrow up and be dummies, like

(01:57:05):
they want them to be, and notgrow up to be associates like
the one and only Jim Jones.
So I'd like to thank Dad forthe opportunity for letting
Jonestown be not what it couldbe, but what Jonestown is.
Thank you, dad.

Speaker 8 (01:57:27):
It's not to be feared .
It is not to be feared, it's afriend.
It's a friend and you'resitting there.
Show your love for one another.
Kill your friend.
Let's get calm.
Let's get calm.

(01:57:50):
We had nothing we could do.

Speaker 1 (01:57:57):
We can't separate ourselves from our own people,
why does everybody have too manyTHs in their hearts.

Speaker 8 (01:58:02):
20 years laying in some old, rotten nursing home as
the band plays, taking usthrough all these anguished
years.
They took us and put us inchains and that's nothing.
There's no comparison to that,to this.
They robbed us of our land andthey've taken us and driven us.

(01:58:25):
We tried to find ourselves, wetried to find a new beginning,
but it's too late.
You can't separate yourselffrom your brother and your
sister.
No way I'm going to do it.
I refuse.
I don't know who fired the shot.
I don't know who killed thecongressman, but as far as I'm
concerned, I killed him.
You understand what I'm saying.
I killed him.
He had no business coming.

(01:58:45):
I told him not to come.
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
Lindsay, I am fucking puddled dude.
Oh my god, you gotta stop it,man, it's almost over.

(01:59:26):
It's almost over.
Thank you guys, so much.
We're following on.

Speaker 8 (01:59:33):
This is so terrific, I would suspect.
Die with a degree of dignity.
Lay down your life with dignity.
Don't lay down with tears andagony.
There's nothing to death.
It's like Max that is juststepping over in another plane.
Don't be this way.
Stop this hysterics.
This is not the way for peopleto die.

(01:59:53):
We must die with some dignity.
Soon we'll have no choice.
Now we have some choice.
You think they're going toallow this to be done and allow

(02:00:15):
us to get by with this Must beinsane.
They are insane.
It's just something to put youto rest.
Oh god, mother, mother, mother,mother, please, mother, please,

(02:00:41):
please, please, don't do this.
Mother, mother, mother, mother,mother, please, mother, please
please, please.

Speaker 1 (02:00:43):
Don't do this.
Don't do this.

Speaker 8 (02:00:47):
You can down your life with your child, but don't
do this.
Free at last Peace.
Keep your emotions down.
It will not hurt if you'll bequiet.

Speaker 3 (02:01:08):
If you'll be quiet so there, I can't take it people
are literally dying of cyanideright now, in this moment on
these tapes and you can listento the whole of cyanide right
now In this, in this moment, onthese tapes and you can listen
to the whole 44 minutes 44minutes of this.

Speaker 1 (02:01:30):
While everybody is.
I'm crying.

Speaker 3 (02:01:32):
Lindsay, I'm crying.
I'm crying.
That's my fourth time listeningto it.

Speaker 1 (02:01:35):
I've lost my composure over this one.
I am puddled way more than youcan.
I don't think you'll haveanything more that you can throw
at me right now.
The callus has to be fully justas much as this red label drink
that I did earlier.
That tasted like a saddle.
It is calloused.

Speaker 3 (02:01:56):
Jim had promised a quick and easy death for all,
but it was definitely not thatCyanide takes you of all the
oxygen in your body.

Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
I can hear him gasping.

Speaker 3 (02:02:06):
And you convulse and you foment the mouth.
People screamed and cried, asyou heard in the audio, and the
ones that fought it.
They were forced by the armedguards and were injected by
needles.
This process would take aboutfour hours and in the end, 909

(02:02:31):
people were dead, 918, includingthe ones that the airstrip and
300.
I wrote in my notes 200, but Ifurther investigated.
300 were children in my notes200, but I further investigated
300 were children, oh my.
God.
Now, back in Georgetown,stephen Jones had saved every

(02:02:55):
member of the Georgetown PeopleTemple members and the San
Francisco members by stayingwith them.
By staying, we're not going todo this.
We're not going to die, exceptfor Sharon Amos, who was the PR
representative, and she took herand her children into a
bathroom where she slit theirthroats and cut her own wrists.

(02:03:20):
She slit their throats and cuther own wrists, but most, like,
I said, everybody else otherthan her, they survived and it
would take a very like it wouldtake days, a couple of weeks, to
bring up the entire death count, because it was so hot there

(02:03:41):
that bodies were decomposing andonly 409 were identified out of
all the 900.

Speaker 1 (02:03:50):
I remember because I said I'd seen some documentaries
and things on this, but notthis fucking detailed.
Lindsey and the aerial viewlooked like a pile of clothes
laying there, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:04:03):
It does?

Speaker 1 (02:04:03):
Each pile of clothes was a human being.

Speaker 3 (02:04:05):
It does.
I have screenshots of theaerial view and Jim Jones and
his pussy, ass, motherfuckingass.
He was dead by gunshot, yep.

Speaker 1 (02:04:17):
He killed himself, he shot himself, nope, nope, nope
he couldn't even do it himself.

Speaker 3 (02:04:20):
Annie Moore, who had been his personal nurse, she,
literally, she was the closer,she took care of everything in
the end what the fuck when sheshot him and laid him on a
pillow and then shot herself.
Yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (02:04:34):
It's we're.
We're wrestling earlier, Later,we're wrestling earlier and
later, and all of it.
And we just drank the tea.

Speaker 3 (02:04:45):
Yeah, I know, I've got mascara all over my eyeballs
because no matter how much Ihave listened to this.
You can't desensitize tochildren screaming in the
background.
You just can't, you can't.

Speaker 1 (02:04:57):
I'm glad that's over, because he just was fucking me
up.

Speaker 3 (02:05:01):
He had to leave he went to his cabin and died on a
pillow.

Speaker 1 (02:05:07):
I'm talking about our guest over here our guest had
to step out conversation.
He's like I'm deuces.
Well, fuck, lindsay, that'sfucking far out.
This is the most far out thingyou've ever done to me.

Speaker 3 (02:05:28):
With that being said, jim Jones had also been
previously connected to anothercase that we talked about not
too long ago, about Harvey Milkand Mayor George Muscon, who
died literally days later byassassination.
So there is a conspiracy,because the People's Temple, the

(02:05:53):
People's Temple, had literallygotten George Mayor Muscon,
mayor George Muscon, into office.

Speaker 1 (02:06:01):
Okay, oh, they all help with the oh, so that ties
into a pod.
We've done before the milk, theHarvey, legendary and George
Muscone.

Speaker 3 (02:06:13):
he literally appointed Jim Jones as chairman
of the San Francisco HousingAuthority Commission and he died
November 27th 1978.
That that was what 10 dayslater yeah, then all this
happened shit.
Yeah.
So there are conspiracytheories galore that you can all

(02:06:33):
you conspiracy theories thatmay be listening.
You can look those up well, andhit us.
There's podcasts and hit us upyeah, so yeah, I mean the all of
the, all of the people thatremained surviving in Georgetown
were held in contempt for awhile before they were going out
, and most of them, like TimStoen, has a memoir.

(02:06:55):
Grace Stone, all of thoseplayers, stephen Jones, little
Jimmy Jr they all have memoirsthat you can read.
You can Google all of those.
And then the books that Ipersonally listened to were
Raven by Jim Reiterman, who wasa survivor of the airstrip in

(02:07:20):
Port Kytuma he was one of thesurvivors.
And then the road to Jonestownwas written by Jeff Gwynn, which
is I guess that's how you sayhis name.
It's spelled Jeff G U I N N,which is said to be a more
authentic and it's more accurate.

Speaker 1 (02:07:44):
I mean, you've had me sitting on a fucking sheet of
glass the whole time.
I'm walking on broken glass, Imean the whole time.
My cheeks are slam-ass full.
Right now they're clenched OfJonestown glass.
As you take a sip out of thatglass of the remaining Jonestown

(02:08:07):
brew, the last of the.
Jonestown brew.

Speaker 3 (02:08:11):
But we did it, we're done, we have covered Jonestown
the whole damn thing we haveconquered, that beast and you
just Lindsay.
I know I fucked up.
Everybody.
We made it.

Speaker 1 (02:08:23):
We have conquered that beast and you've just
Lindsay.
I know I fucked up everybody.
We made it, we made it, we madeit to the end.
We did it.
I'm allowed to play this littlepart because now we've made it.

Speaker 3 (02:08:32):
And I want to get this motherfucker out my head.

Speaker 1 (02:08:39):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:08:39):
Lindsay, just to put it in perspective, the road to
Jonestown is 17 hours and Ravenis 19, or, I'm sorry?
29 hours 29 hours Of audiblelistening that I have listened
to Also along with otherpodcasters.
I always listen to otherpodcasters and their opinions.

Speaker 1 (02:09:00):
If you listen to any of that, bring your teddy bear
and a blanket.

Speaker 3 (02:09:03):
I listen to the conspiracy theories behind it,
which they debunked a lot of it.
They really don't think thatthere's a conspiracy.
They legit think that Jim Joneswas just an absolute crazy
charismatic cult leader thatjust led these people to their
death.
And that's pretty much to mewhat it was.
Now I do believe that he hadeyes and ears, and bodies and

(02:09:26):
guns in other areas that couldhave resulted to others' death.
It could have been worse, thetwo people that.
I mentioned earlier the Myrtles,who changed their last name to
Mills.
They were later killed a yearlater.

Speaker 1 (02:09:38):
Really, yeah, like murdered in their house.

Speaker 3 (02:09:41):
He had pockets still going, after all that, yeah, wow
, and, like I said, georgemuscon and harvey milk.
They died not 10 days later.
Now I don't think that that guywas in bed with anything that
had to do with the jones house,because he was.
He was a.

Speaker 4 (02:09:54):
He was a right-wing republican where these were
leftist people 100, you know andfor all that but it's just wild
that it all happened withindays of each other.

Speaker 3 (02:10:05):
Yeah, whoa, yeah.
So of course there's going tobe conspiracies behind that,
because it happened so quickly.

Speaker 1 (02:10:13):
Lindsay, the four horsemen could not carry me
through this motherfucking story.
You just gave me around here.

Speaker 3 (02:10:19):
I'm so sorry, but we have conquered the beast.

Speaker 1 (02:10:22):
I told you that that was one that I definitely that
one's, one that stuck with youjust like all all this stuff and
it builds up and builds up andthen all the shit happens at the
runway and shit just comingtoward yeah, and that's how it
happened in real life.

Speaker 3 (02:10:34):
Yeah, it was just bam , bam, bam, bam bam.
I wasn't ready?

Speaker 1 (02:10:37):
I wasn't, I wasn't ready.
I just thought you were goingto ramble on for like two more
days and I'm going to quote.

Speaker 3 (02:10:43):
Marcus from last podcast on the left, a 27 year
empire ended with thecatchphrase don't drink the
Kool-Aid, the Kool-Aid and itwasn't even goddamn Kool-Aid, it
was Flavor-Aid.

Speaker 1 (02:10:55):
Which we finished, by the way.

Speaker 3 (02:10:57):
Yeah, we got to the end of our cocktail.

Speaker 1 (02:10:59):
Did anybody finish the sign?
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 3 (02:11:03):
Listen, we've been recording now for four hours.
We're good, we've survived.

Speaker 1 (02:11:07):
I'm loopy of just emotional rollercoaster.
It's been a journey, this themepark sucks Lindsay and Jim
Jones' dick can dick the fuckoff.

Speaker 3 (02:11:17):
We're closing down the Jonestown theme park and now
we're going to plug some music.
I can play a band, Jesse whatis the name of your band?
I?

Speaker 1 (02:11:26):
got a cool one.
You guys want to check thisbitch out right here.
Oh my God, dude, I have a coolass band Epic is what I put on
the notes.
Yes, yes.
And you know I don't put bandsin the front.
Yes, and I.
You know I don't put bands inthe front, but I had to put this
band in the front because wefit into fucking juke to this
one.
Okay, I'm excited I want youguys to check this band out.

(02:11:48):
They're called over the bridgeand the song I'm not going to
tell you, lindsay, you'll knowit, though You'll know this one.

Speaker 3 (02:11:57):
I already know that one.
Thank you guys so much forchecking us out, thank you guys
for following us and thank you,cindy and Jason, for sitting in
with us.

Speaker 1 (02:12:04):
Thank, you for coming and drinking the Kool-Aid with
us.
Yes, right, or the Flavor-Aid.

Speaker 3 (02:12:08):
Drinking the Flavor-Aid, the Flavor-Aid.

Speaker 1 (02:12:10):
We're going to play some juke to you.
Put on your headphones.

Speaker 4 (02:13:15):
I'm out, we'll be right back.
That said, motherfucker police.
I gave you a tape full of dopebits, bumped through when it's
time to hurt you and when yourarm sales weren't giving you
good news, I acted and told youto go sit.
Y'all better listen up closely.
All you fellas said that Iturned pot with a firm flop.
Y'all are the reason that Mikeyand Ben get no sleep.
So fuck y'all, all of y'all.

Speaker 6 (02:14:32):
If y'all don't like me, blow me.
Y'all gonna keep fucking aroundwith Outro Music.
We'll be right back and theMercedes spins with the windows
up and the stand goes up to themid-80s Calling me ladies.
Sorry that I've been crazy.
There's a way that you can saveme.
It's okay, go with Tim Haley.
Nine days, everybody wanna talkthat they got something to say,
but nothing comes out when theymove their lips.
It's a push and dribble race, amotherfuckin' tactic that

(02:14:53):
forgot about drink.
Nine days, everybody wanna talkthat they got something to say,

(02:16:11):
but nothing comes out when theymove their legs.
It's a push into a race andmotherfuckers act as if they
forgot about Drake guitar solo.
Holy shit.

Speaker 3 (02:16:18):
I know, lindsay, holy shit, I like that one one, yeah
, that one was really fuckingcool I love like covers and shit
that just comes back togetherand it was all reggae and beachy
yeah and it had like a dark,like night theme.

Speaker 1 (02:16:36):
To like some old school something it it was just
like it's fire.

Speaker 3 (02:16:40):
It's fucking fire.
It's fucking fire, we werejamming.
Yes, legit, love them.

Speaker 1 (02:16:45):
Love them Check them out.

Speaker 3 (02:16:47):
Smiles on all the faces.
They do a lot of covers.

Speaker 1 (02:16:48):
They do a lot of cool shit, you know, so check out
Over the Bridge.

Speaker 3 (02:16:52):
And that's what we needed after that horrific
fucking case.

Speaker 1 (02:16:57):
I feel like that's what we needed.

Speaker 3 (02:17:00):
That's what we needed Absolutely and the name of the
band is Epic or Over the Bridge.

Speaker 8 (02:17:07):
Over the Bridge.

Speaker 3 (02:17:08):
The band is Epic.
Their name is Over the Bridge.
I'm going to follow them rightnow.

Speaker 1 (02:17:13):
Follow them, check them out and yeah, all the cool
stuff, do it, just do it.
Just do it.
Just like you know, kind ofdrinking the Flavor-Aid Just do
it.
Oh my.
God, don't do that, just do it,just do it.

Speaker 3 (02:17:29):
Don't do that, don't drink the Flavor-Aid.
I'm just trying to.

Speaker 1 (02:17:31):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (02:17:38):
Don't drink the.

Speaker 1 (02:17:40):
Kool-A, the craziest buildup to the ass glass.
Yeah, slam into the wall.
The seat got hotter and she'slike play this from this to this
and I'm like fuck you from thisto that and she's like just
dropping bombs the whole time.
Lindsay, you puddled me overhere.

Speaker 3 (02:17:59):
I know I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 (02:18:00):
You really did.
Thank you guys so much forhanging out for all.
If you listen to all theepisodes, you're stronger than
me, because I wasn't here forall of them yes, you were okay,
I was you have been here for allof them the abuse that happens
over here.

Speaker 3 (02:18:16):
I swear Lindsay puts me through all of it so on
Instagram, over the Bridge isOTB, which is East Coast Rock
Reggae, isn't that awesome.
Yeah, so follow them onInstagram.
Follow us on Instagram, oh yeah, drink About.
Something.
Send us an email.
Drink About Something pod atgmailcom.

Speaker 1 (02:18:34):
Just drinkaboutsomethingsite and
drinkaboutsomethingsite.

Speaker 3 (02:18:37):
We've got merch, We've got the episodes.
You can find us on any platformincluding YouTube.

Speaker 1 (02:18:43):
We're doing good.
I love it.
Yes, it's very good.
It's very good stuff.
So, with that being said,lindsay, we love you guys.
We'll see you guys.

Speaker 3 (02:18:53):
We're ready to go.

Speaker 1 (02:18:54):
Next Friday we got to go grill some shit.

Speaker 3 (02:18:56):
We're going to go grill and cook dinner, and we've
got a house full of guests now.

Speaker 1 (02:19:01):
Yes, it's a whole new room, it's a party, so we'll
see you guys next Friday.
Bye.

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