EPISODE 44: Victoria Goodwin has a hit out

What drives someone to abandon a seemingly perfect life with a TV star husband for a prison romance with a convicted family killer? In this shocking episode, we unravel the disturbing case of Victoria Goodwin, who plotted to have her Ghost Adventures star husband Aaron murdered after falling in love with Grant Amato – a man serving three life sentences for killing his parents and brother.

We explore the psychology behind prison romances with violent offenders, examining why certain individuals seek connections with people who have committed horrific acts. Is it a misguided savior complex? An attraction to notoriety? Or something deeper?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Happy Friday, Jesse.
Hey Lindsey, what are youdrinking?

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Because you know, us girls just want to have fun.
Yes, and long about.
I don't know about five monthsago my buddy grew some corn
right and I cut it off the cobright.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
You did, I was there.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
I kind of heated it up and then I made some mash.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, I know it smelled like it in here.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
She made me put it outside.
So I put it outside and itfermented right.
Then I decided that wasn'tgoing to be strong enough, so I
distilled it.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
And that's what I'm drinking.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Okay, some Jesse's.
Well, I don't want to sayfamous, it's not famous, but
Jesse's Fabulous, fabulous,homemade, homemade.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Moonshot, moonshot, that's what I'm drinking.
What are you drinking overthere, ms?
Miss Lindsay?

Speaker 1 (01:01):
So I just finished off a blackberry white claw and
I'm about to start on astrawberry.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Pop it up again.
Yeah, can I buy you anotherround?
I'm so country today you are.
I'm so.
You know what, you know what weneed.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
He's got a Tanya Tucker shirt on right now.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
We need some Tanya Tucker in this motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Like two sparrows in a hurricane.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Trying to find their way.
Y'all 90s country hits.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
We need a whole fucking day of just 90s country,
hell yeah.
And you got like an Ewok shirton over there Ewok shirt yes, Is
that the one that Willow was in, Because he was one of the
Ewoks too, but he wore the suitright.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
I'm not sure We'll have to look that up.
Yeah, so what's his?

Speaker 3 (01:52):
name.
He was in a bunch of Star WarsWarwick, warwick, yeah, warwick
Johnson, is it Johnson?
Warwick, davis, warwick.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Hold on.
It might Hold on.
We're gonna go real quick.
Then he was in like HarryPotter, so what?
Which episode is it that theEwoks Are in?

Speaker 3 (02:13):
The last, the third one, episode three.
Well, episode Six, it's sobackwards, star Wars.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
We like to watch it in chronological order Return of
the Jedi.
Is it Return of the Jedi?
Yeah, okay.
So I'm a newer Star Wars nerd,so I actually love the last
three episodes the most, withRey and Kylo Ren.
I'm a huge fan, huge fuckingfan, like I've been watching

(02:42):
them since I was a kid.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
But don't you want to live on that forest moon of
Andor.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
I do, I mean I really do, I really do.
Warwick Davis.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Hold on, I'm looking it up.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yes, it is Warwick Davis.
Yes, you got it.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Did Warwick Davis play an Ewok?
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Warwick Davis played the Ewoknamed Wicket W in the Return of
the Jedi.
He was only 11 years old.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Oh, I had chills right then.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Oh, baby Warwick, oh baby little Warwick.
I still love him as Willow thebest, honestly.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yeah, I think that's my favorite.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Barbicot, barbicot, he was so cute.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Willow was such a good movie man and I got a
grandbaby named Willow, andtoday was her birthday.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
And we had a great little party for her.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
It was a great day, it was a river time out there.
Yes, oh, the rivers and thesprings of.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Florida we had some good hammers.
With so much onion I didn'twant to breathe around anybody.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
They cook the burger so good, so good, but I was
instructing.
I was instructing.
I was like here's how you dothis, kosher ass hot dogs.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Kosher hot dogs hit different they're good, we had
Nathan's in Hebrew.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
I was loud and belligerent.
I was like are these Jewish hot?

Speaker 1 (03:56):
dogs oh my God, they are delicious.
Kosher hot dogs.
I was telling your parents.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
I was like I'm kind of drunk so I'm loud, we need to
go on a cruise and you need toget the drink package.
I was telling your parents that.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
And my mom tried Celsius.
Yeah, she had some of ourGalaxy Celsius.
Yeah, she was like, becausewater just sucks sometimes I'm
like you know what, mom?
You're right it does.
I have been on a soda water,sparkling water, kick with some
fresh squeezed lemon.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Your dad being drunk is so funny.
Oh, I know, sorry to interrupt.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
But so I've been on a soda sparkling water kick
lately with just some freshlysqueezed lemon, or if I'm at
home, because at work I onlyhave lemon, but here I have
lemon and lime and I call ithomemade Sprite and it's so
refreshing and it's deliciousand it's zero calories, zero
sugar, delicious.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
We're going to make some homemade Sprite here pretty
soon, because I just found outan old Appalachian remedy.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
With the pine needles , with the pine needles.
Baby, I heard about it, youheard about that.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
I want to do that.
I want to do that.
I like the old school stufflike that, that everybody's
losing, it's kind of coming back.
I really think that the newergeneration is starting to do a
lot of that stuff.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
I love home remedies, don't you love that?

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yes, they're learning things that hasn't been brought
up in a hundred years.
Right, they're doing shit.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
And I love it.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
That's fucking awesome.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
I really love that Literally going back to the
roots.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah, Alpha right.
Yeah, alpha right, yes, yeah,the Alpha generation is really
doing some cool shit, so kudosright.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Gen Z slash Alpha A little bit yeah it's late Gen Z
early Alpha.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
They're doing it, though, crocheting, like those
shorts that are crocheted I keeptalking about.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Gen Z is doing a lot.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
And the guys are really doing some really cool
stuff too, and everybody's justtrying to latch on to some old
stuff.
I love it, it's really cool.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
There is one thing I want to mention before we roll
that intro.
So on 4th of July there wasthis whole thing on TikTok,
where this lady had been invitedto a 4th of July party by a
mutual friend of the hosts.
Okay, so she shows up with thisbanging ass antipasto salad.
Okay, with shit from her garden, mozzarella cheese that she

(06:11):
made from scratch.
Like I don't even know how todo that and I'm a fucking beast
in the kitchen.
I don't know how to makemozzarella cheese.
Okay, so she shows up with that.
These people treat her likeshit.
What the fuck.
So I was, of of course,scrolling like july 5th.
I hear all about the drama.
I I go into it when I'm just inmy downtime scrolling on tiktok

(06:33):
.
So I follow the girl.
Her name is nicole fuck, Iforgot her last name, but you
guys know I'm sure my listenersknow about this drama.
It was a big thing.
You're probably not on thatside of tiktok no okay.
So now I follow this lady.
Her name is nicole.
I'm gonna get the full handleand I'll mention it next episode
.
She has a banging ass garden.

(06:54):
She posts recipes and I havesaved I don't know how many of
them.
It's like a treasure has cameout of a tragedy and I just I
love her.
I love her so much.
She is, I mean, she has likeherbs and she grows heirloom
tomatoes and cherry tomatoes andshe's posting right now all

(07:15):
these recipes to make withtomatoes, because she has an
abundance of them, but she made,she grew, these beautiful
heirloom tomatoes, which are myfavorite, yeah, and we're going
to make one of her recipes nextweek.
Oh, do it, girl, for Erlentomatoes, which are my favorite.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, and we're going to make one of her recipes next
week.
Oh, oh, yes, do it, girl.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
We don't even get the herbs out of our own garden
over there.
No, but we're going to becauseI've been complaining about that
.
Well, I'm going to.
We grew a little herb garden.
We don't even get out of it.
We haven't cooked this summerbecause we've been out doing.
Well, we cooked a lot, but wedidn't really go a lot.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, we were prepping and all that.
We need to get back to that.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
It's really hard to do both, but we're going to
learn our balance in our 40s anda few gatherings that we've had
and then doing the pod and allthat.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
So I get it.
I get it.
But our little herb garden wasnice, that part of it.
The other part, the vegetablepart, kind of sucked.
We got some stuff.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
But we got herbs for days and I'm going to use like
three different ones for thatrecipe.
So, with that being said, honeyroll.
That intro.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Okay, but I just wanted to say this right before
everybody comes on in Happyfucking Friday.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
So happy, it's Friday .

Speaker 3 (08:44):
You know that homemade moonshine be kind of
hitting different already.
It do's, it do's.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
I'm enjoying it, though Hold on, I think I found
her real quick Hold on, youfound her.
Hold on.
Nope, that's not it, oh it'snot, it she got me tripping.
How do you find people?

Speaker 3 (09:04):
you are following.
I don't know, okay, what madeyou find people you are
following.
I don't know what made you feelold today.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
I don't know how to find people I'm following.
Okay.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
I found it.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Folk Medicine Remedies is her handle.
I believe her name is Nicole.
Yes, it is Nicole.
Follow her, you guys, guys.
She was treated like shit on4th of July by some shitty ass
white trash people, but she is atreasure on TikTok really,
really good recipes.

(09:37):
I cannot wait to cook the onethat I'm gonna cook next week
yeah, I, um, I love it, likethey're really doing what made
you feel old this week?

Speaker 3 (09:46):
boo-boo oh yeah, they're really doing a lot of
cool stuff.
Like a lot of people arebringing back that old school
stuff and you're you're raisingyour own garden and creating
these cool ass home yes, likeyou ain't fucking with nobody.
I love that, I love that.
So so what made me feel old wasI kind of get that grandpa look
from some of my coworkers now.

(10:07):
Like not even like the old,like just the older man, like
it's the grandpa respect andlook Like elder employee look.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
You know, on your notes it says I get that grand
pa look with a space.
Yeah, it's one word and and Iwas like, what does grand PA
mean?

Speaker 3 (10:28):
oh, the grand PA.
Well, that too, cause you knowI'm literate as shit and fucking
dyslexic and all that goodstuff.
But I can write some cool music, I think, and my band's doing
good yeah so I'm excited aboutthat.
What made you feel old otherthan not finding shit on you
know, social media like a boomer?

Speaker 1 (10:50):
so, um, I took two weeks off from my high intensity
workouts and I was just doingthe walking and the vibration
plate, but I started backbecause you have to take a break
from it every now and then.
You could kind reset your bodyto shock your body back in it.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah, because otherwise it's the same, with
like diets and everything youget so hung into it, your body
just like gets used to it.
Yeah, you've got to change itup.
It just stops fucking working.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Right, and even when I bought the vibration plate, it
says to change your programsconstantly to keep your body
guessing.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
And, by the way, I've been singing some really cool
ass songs on there.
Check them out.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
I got a few saved on the draft so I'm going to post
later on.
But yeah, so follow me.
It's a drink about somethingpod underscore Lindsay.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, and there's links like on our website too.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Like, if you go down you can find the links to some
socials.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
You'll see Jesse singing on the vibration plate.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Cher was my favorite, so I started my high-intensity
workouts again this week and Iabout died two times.
So, yeah, that made me feelBecause this is the one and I've
said it in a couple differentepisodes that I still haven't
mastered the full-on workout,like there's a moderate Without

(12:00):
the modifier.
Yeah, I got to still do themodifier.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
I'm in modifier mode, like after a minute, You'll see
me crawling over there justwiggling my arm.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, jesse's done this.
Does this count?
It's insanity.
It's insanity, max 30.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yes, and you're over there jumping and kicking and
doing push-ups and squats andburpees.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, I can do the unmodified like halfway through
the interval, but I got to slowit back down.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
I'm so pathetic, like I'm laying on the ground.
I'm like fully like.
I'm like a dead walrus and I'mjust kicking my leg.
I'm like, does this count?
Am I doing good?
Can somebody give me a littleDebbie snack?

Speaker 1 (12:33):
No, debbie's, deborah , Deborah's.
But we're going to start doingsome meal prepping.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yes, I'm excited about that, which I eat healthy.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Good, but I got to get Jesse back on the whole
train.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
We're going to try that carnivore thing because
that worked for some people.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
We're going to fire up the grill next weekend and
we're going to cook so much meat.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Mama's going to buy out Aldi.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Lock up your animals.
We're going to cook them all up.
We're definitely going to go tothe meat section, for sure, and
I'm going to grill the fuck out.
Lindsay, I'm excited you got.
You left me with a cliffhangerlast week.
I did so fucking excited.
You were like next levelpodcaster over there.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
I was excited that I found that information.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
I was like oh, my God , and like I mentioned in our
recap, I had no, you reallyFucking.
I'm going to let you get it, ohmy God.
And like I mentioned in ourrecap, you really did.
I had no, you really Fucking.
I'm going to let you get it outDid, so you can stop
interrupting me.
You really did.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
I had no idea that I was going to find that
information.
While I was researching GrantAmato, I had no idea.
With that being said, last weekwe talked about Grant Amato,
who killed his father, motherand older brother in 2019 over
his very, very unhealthyobsession with a cam model named

(13:54):
Sylvie.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
It's not good.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
He was sentenced to three life sentences.
So he has nothing, nothing buttime on his hands.
So he has nothing, nothing buttime on his hands.
So while he's in prison, hestarts exchanging letters,
emails and phone calls with thefilmmaker Colin Archdeacon.
I hope that's how you say it.
That is how it's spelled.
I don't know how any other wayyou would say it, but it is

(14:19):
literally spelled Archdeacon andthat's what I'm going to go
with.
That's fucking cool ass name.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
The Archdeacon, and that's what I'm going to go with
.
That's fucking cool ass.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Name the Archdeacon, and that's how we got the
Control Alt Desire documentary,which came out in 2024.
It came out in 2024.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Literally one of the craziest things I've ever seen,
and I was half awake becauseshe's like let's watch this Now
I'm home.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
It's like 11 o'clock at night, let's put it on, and
I'm laying there like one eyeopen still watching it.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Like here we go.
I was half asleep, but grippingyour pillow tight.
Yes, oh, I got one of thosefluffy unicorn pillows oh, I'm
gonna do what you do to me.
Keep on going, girl, andtonight.
Yes, and you took my hand.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Take my hand.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
And you walked me.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Off to Never.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Never Land All the way through the darkness,
through all the Amato fields ofmurder, yeah, and horrificness,
and you got more.
There's more to add on it is,so check out that whole episode
you gotta do stop here, go back.
You gotta do both of these,yeah, because this is fucking

(15:32):
crazy and you got more.
This is dirt, this is new.
We're cracking right now intosome new territory, brand new,
right now.
This this month type territory,right.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Well, this year, this year, Well, yeah, well, not
this month, it was a couplemonths ago, but still it's new,
new, new, new Well a lot of thefootage on the documentary is
Grant on FaceTime on contrabandphones in prison and it's on
this documentary that he finallyadmits to the killings of his
family.
He did not do that in court.
He didn't do that to thekillings of his family.

(16:04):
He did not do that in court.
He didn't do that to thedetectives, he didn't do that to
anybody else, but he admittedit to Colin Archdeacon on
control of desire.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
And then he pulled out some bullshit like I got the
gun, but it's hidden insomebody's backyard, so they
were digging that shit up anddidn't find nothing.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
So that's where you literally hear it first you hear
it first on the documentarythat he admitted to it.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
And you were so pissed off about a little smirk
behind his face oh, I hate him,I hate him.
So fucking much.
He's like maybe they took out atree or something.
I hate his voice.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
I hate the way he looks.
I am like I'm a total fuckingdouchebag when it comes to
judging Grant Amato.
I don't give a fuck.
Come at me.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Okay, yeah, he's a shitty human being, yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
So in the documentary you see that he has a couple of
relationships with other womenwhile in prison.
Well, after after thisdocumentary comes out, he gets
quite the influx of pen pals,and among one of those pen pals
was Victoria Goodwin, who wasgoing by on social media, going

(17:17):
by Victoria Candy, and thiswoman was married to Aaron
Goodwin, one of the co-stars ofthe TV show Ghost Adventures,
which I remember seeing her likethe blonde chick that's on.
She's not on it Any episode atall.
No not that I know of, not thatI could find in my research.
I have not watched the show.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
It's just part of the production.
Yeah, let's check it out, zach.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Bagans, he's the main dude Right.
Aaron, zach Bagans, he's themain dude, and then Aaron and
then there's a team.
So Aaron was a cameraman whoturned co-investigator on the
show and also he has a clothingline called Big Steppin' Because
he's a big, tall guy.
He's not big like overweightbig, he's just tall.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
He's a big dude, the big short-haired guy right, he
has no hair, no hair Bald.
Big, he's just tall, he's a bigdude.
The big, short haired guy,right, he has no hair, no hair
Bald.
I was going to say short andbald Bald with facial hair.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
And he has been with Ghost Adventures since 2008,
when it was on the.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
No History Channel or something Well now it's on
Discovery Plus Discovery.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
I do remember him.
Travel Channel, travel Channel.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
He's got his little spirit box and he's all talking
into it by himself in the room.
I remember that now, yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
And, like you said, ghost Adventures is where they
go into a haunted location, theyset up some high-tech equipment
and they see if they can catchsome paranormal activity.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Which we're going to be going to a couple of those
places pretty soon.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Y'all stay too.
We're going to Lizzie.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Borden's house.
I don't know anything aboutLizzie Borden, yet you don't.
I don't know anything about her, oh wait till.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
So Jesse has literally booked us a stay at
Lizzie Borden's house, and hehas no idea who the fuck Lizzie
Borden is.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
We're staying in her bedroom.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah, we're staying in her bedroom.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, we're staying in her and Emma's suite, right,
yeah, yep, yep, yep, and I got alittle cool twist that's coming
with that, so we're going toOkay, hopefully we're going to
gather some really good content.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
By the way, we have a trip planned to New England for
the end of September.
Y'all are coming with us, y'allcoming with us.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
We got time, we're going to do time.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
You might hear some road noise in the background, so
make sure, if you don't likeright now I don't have a lot of
like interesting content onTikTok but definitely follow me
for that adventure because wewill be having it and we'll also
share it on our Instagram andYouTube.
It'll all be linked.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
It'll be if you go to YouTube and type in Gen Z,
j-e-n-d-s-e-y On YouTube, onYouTube you can find all of our
stuff.
Just find it automatic downloadand click share, like,
subscribe.
The whole thing because you canfind some videos of us, like at
Rockville, a couple otherplaces.
Hell, I even put some old stuffin there.
I keep plugging us and oursstuff.

(19:59):
So it's fun.
I like it.
It's fun.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Keep going Well like I said, aaron, he started out as
a cameraman on the show butbecame a beloved personality on
there, and I haven't watched onesingle episode.
If you guys have watched it,give me some feedback.
I want to know should I watchit?
Should I watch?
You're looking at me now, I'veseen it we're at season 29.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah, he sells it really well.
Some of it's bullshit you cantell, but you know he's got a
thing, you know there's a thingand things actually happen.
And if you're like clairvoyantor you're feeling some kind of
crazy vibes and you can be intune with that, they're going to
be like overdramatic with itReal quick.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Speaking of bullshit, we're going to go a deep dive
into all, all of Ed and LorraineWarren's shit in October, so
stay tuned for that.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
What's that the?

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Annabelle, all the Amityville, all of that.
That's going to be coming inOctober.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
So I'll know some of it.
Probably, I don't know, maybenot Some of that stuff I watch
and I kind of get rid of it outof my mind that way, if you
bring it up, you know.
But like I understand, Iunderstand, like I've even
walked into certain places andsituations, I mean like I can
feel something you can feel itsometimes yeah.
So that's why they're so, youknow charismatic while they're

(21:18):
in these rooms.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Because I completely understand that, understand that
Jesse and I are both veryspiritual and we feel the
thickness or the heaviness of anentity that could be in a
location.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
You were feeling it in our old when we first got
together Our first house.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, I felt it so heavy there.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Really weird.
Weird.
Hear those.
It's cool, we saged it, it'sgood.
Yeah, we've saged this house alot.
Yeah, hear those Like it's cool, we saged it, it's good.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, we've saged this house a lot.
This house is clear, eventhough we watch a lot of horror
in this motherfucker yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
All that's bullshit compared to what's real
spiritual stuff.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Right.
So in 2018, aaron meetsVictoria and they have what
seems to be an adorable,absolutely adorable loving
relationship, according toInstagram.
I did go through.
I went through the Instagrambecause they're still there.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Wow, I went back.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, Well, that's part of the research you know,
Got to be a little stalkerish.
Okay, so they got engaged in2019 in front of the castle at
Disney in California.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Disneyland and planned to marry at Disney's
Haunted Mansion in 2020.
But due to COVID, they had topush that back a little bit
until 2022.
And they did it.
They got married at the HauntedMansion in Disneyland,
California.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
It's pretty epic.
Yes, because that's one of myfavorite rides.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Like I went on it for the very first time.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
In Florida, but still .

Speaker 1 (22:53):
I went on it for the very first time last year,
because the last time that wewent to Disney it was shut down
for a while and we had at thattime two eight-year-olds my son
and our nephew and we only hadone day.
You kind of do need two daysfor a true Disney experience.
But when we took Silas, whatwas it?

(23:16):
November?

Speaker 3 (23:17):
It was perfect actually that whole day.
We got in so much.
Yeah, we got in so much.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
We got in a lot and the lines weren't bad and it was
a Saturday.
I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
We got done with time to spare.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
We didn't even stay for the fireworks, really no, we
retired.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah, but I'm saying we could have done more so we
got our whole weekend at thattime.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
We did Ginger the night before at.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
House of Blues.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
We did Disney, and then we.
The next morning we got in thecar and drove to Tampa for
Spookala.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, you got the ginger tickets and then I
upgraded it to a wholehootamaroo.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
A whole hootamaroo, hootamaroo.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
So, yeah, we did the damn thing, but he deserved it,
you know?

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Oh, absolutely yeah you got to do Disney once.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
I'm not a Disney fan, Nah, but you've got to do that
ride though.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
We are universal people 100%.
We love Universal Studios somuch.
We love everything aboutUniversal and Islands of
Adventure.
We had season passes there for18 months.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
And we're going to try to slip off and go to
Halloween Horror Nights too,Somewhere between here and there
.
We're getting there, so we'lllet you know when we're going to
do that.
You can come down and hang outif you're in Florida.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
So Aaron and Victoria were both super Disney nerds
and they lived super happilyever after right Wrong.
Well, they were also supernerds in other areas, like they
collected and traded Disneycards, pokemon cards, star Wars
cards, and they both loved comicbooks.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
They sound like some kind of nerds like us.
We like doing cons and stuff.
We love all that.
That's good.
That's a good thing so far.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Well, Victoria, she had been a collegiate golfer and
was on track to going pro.
When she finds out that she has, let me see if I can say this
right achalasia, yeah, achalasia, which is a rare swallowing
disorder where the nerves in theesophagus become damaged,
preventing the lower esophagealsphincter from relaxing and

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allowing foods to pass into thestomach.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Speaking of sphincter , if she would have had her like
you know thing clipped downthere at the bottom, she would
have been like Happy Gilmore 2on that whole golfing thing over
there.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
That's right.
That gives you the whole.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Well, I was thinking sphincter, your butt sphincter.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
That's in your esophagus.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
You got a sphincter in your esophagus.
This is the first time I'veheard this.
This is awesome.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
And she I mean, this was a painful.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
I bet when you're trying to swallow and it's just
you can't get it to open.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
I could not imagine.
I can imagine I have woken upat times where I've been sick
and I'm only able to breathe outof my mouth and my entire mouth
is dry and I can't swallow.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
That's why I can imagine Could you imagine that?

Speaker 1 (25:56):
a lot All the time, all the time, right.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
And then you have to just drink something to try to
make something happen.
Oh, that is horrible.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Oh, than to try to make something happen.
Oh, that is horrible.
Oh, that can slow down yourgolfing career, because it's not
convenient to have to drinkconstantly while you're out
there golfing.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
No, she should have listened to the Bush song a
little bit more, that of swallow.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Oh my God, no, maybe not Well, she shared awareness
of this rare disorder and wouldpost about some of her
procedures that she had wentthrough and how she was able to
live with this rare disorder.
Now, I could not find a ton onwhat was going on in the
marriage to lead up to somethinglike I'm about to talk about.

(26:36):
And maybe there wasn't aproblem, maybe Victoria is just
a piece of shit.
Okay, piece of shit, okay.
Well, in march of 2024,victoria starts a relationship
with grant amato while he's inprison and it was a romantic one
, okay.
So she watched control altdesire and saw something special

(26:57):
.
How, how?

Speaker 2 (26:59):
how it made me even more I'm a dude with three life
sentences.
How are you going to?

Speaker 3 (27:02):
get from a dude with three life sentences.
How are you going?

Speaker 1 (27:04):
to fix it.
How are you going to haveanything?
His personality is a drag.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
He is not anybody I'm fixing to have any conjugal
fucking visits with.
I swear I mean there's nothingattractive about this dude.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
I don't even want to write him.
I have nothing to say to thismotherfucker other than you are
a selfish piece of shit.
Yeah, I mean honestly, if I hadit yeah, he, I mean honestly,
and if I had begun, to my head,had to write him a letter, how
better it would literally justsay you are a selfish piece of
shit.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
How better of a perfect example.
I mean, I I hate the deathpenalty, but at the same time he
took three lives.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, that's what I'm yeah, well, we're both on the
fence about it because I'm gonnasay what, what I think, what I
mean.
Like I have my own mind, but atthe same time, sometimes it's
hard for me to come up withwords, how to explain how I feel
about things.
So I'm gonna say it like uh,bailey, I think they should sit
there and have to deal with whatthe fuck they did.

(28:00):
They should have to endurewhatever bullshit is coming to
them in prison and at the sametime, I'm grateful that, even
though, like my boy, damienEchols, he was on death row for
18 years.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
I'm glad he got past it.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
He was actually never sentenced to death because
that's an innocent man, thatwould be dead.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Yes, but this is hands down like stuff and I've
said this on a couple coupledifferent occasions admitted he
fucking did.
I don't want to pay taxes for adude to sit here and keep
fucking around on being oncontraband phones that he pulls
out of his butthole exactly butphones and he's doing and he's
getting more attention.
Why do you keep giving him thispower?
He doesn't deserve any power.
He doesn't even deserve lifeitself, because he took three of

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them because of his selfishfucking ass.
And fuck sakes, lindsay, keepon going.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Well, on October 3rd 2024, and this is Mean Girls Day
, by the way oh it is.
Because on October 3rd AaronSamuels asked me what day it was
and I said it's October 3rd.
And on Wednesdays we were apink yes Bitch.
I have lived by that rule since, whenever this movie came out
in the early 2000s.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
I literally wear pink If I'm not working Every
Wednesday, if we're hanging outon Wednesdays, guess what I'm
wearing?

Speaker 1 (29:15):
We wear pink I love it?

Speaker 3 (29:19):
No, really Like.
For some reason, Lindsay, Ikind of cling on to the chick
flick stuff.
Why?
Because I made you.
No, you did not.
I was watching Ku Wong Fubefore you knew me and I knew
you.
Ku Wong Fu is universal.
I mean, I'm saying that there'sso many chick flicks that I've
watched and you didn't even knowthat.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
I've seen Steel Magnolias.
You love that shit as much as Ido.
And then I'll drop bombs, likeoh, you had never watched Fried
Green green tomatoes.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
I brought that to your life yeah, I think, yeah,
yeah, yeah, but I mean stufflike the doll maker and stuff
like that oh god, I killed youwith some stuff like that oh,
that movie is ixnade from thishouse we did it one and done one
, and done and I still have topay you back.
I'm gonna get you oh, you haveto try, because that's

(30:07):
deep-rooted, some Appalachia,and I just wanted to have an
Appalachian one.
Guess what?

Speaker 1 (30:10):
I have an Appalachian one that will fuck your whole
life up.
You'll never want to watch itagain.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
You will hate me.
She's so charismatic, right now.
You will hate me for the restof your life.
Well, I mixed a little JimJones in my moonshine here.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Hang on Let me take a sip.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Flavorade is now called Jim Jones in this house
because we have a box of it fromour episodes of Jim Jones.
I think I'm going to keepFlavorade forever.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Listen to those.
We have four parts and they are.
I am very proud of thoseepisodes, Very proud.
Well, anyway, so on October 3rd, 2024, mean Girls Day, grant's
contraband phone was seized andits contents were downloaded,
and the romantic relationshipwas discovered, like Grant and

(31:01):
Victoria, according to text,were in love and that Aaron
would not accept a divorce.
So a plot to have Aaron Goodwinmurdered with the help of Grant
Amato and a third party wasformed.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Lindsay, if you ever do some fucking shit like this
to me, Listen, first of all what?
Kind of woman would do someshit like this.
How, even if your throatsphincter don't fucking work
Maybe that's the problem, manshe can't swallow.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
So text from Victoria saying I'm so anxious LOL, I
just can't believe this ishappening.
Like, what the fuck?
Like, how did I get to thispoint?
Am I a bad person Because Ichose to end his existence
instead of divorce?

Speaker 3 (31:48):
what?
Yeah, that's a literal thingthat's what.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
That is a literal thing that has happened just a
few months ago right.
So she shared the locations ofwhere aaron was to be filming,
which was california.
I swear, I don't mean to bepicking on you guys, but there's
a lot of shit that happens overthere, california, and I think
they were filming like the GhostHunters or Ghost Adventures

(32:13):
were filming on a long route 66at that time.
She would also share what timeand said that she had $11,500
set aside, and there was alsomention of a $2,500 deposit for
the hit.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
So she's already paid for this to be set up.
She has money now.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
And this all happened while season 29 was being
filmed and that season is outlike right now, right now, right
now.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
It's happening.
Lindsay yeah Reese's Pieces.
Recent yeah Reese's Piecesrecent yeah Shit.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
So there was also messages that read from Grant to
the hit man.
He's sleeping right now in ahotel room.
I need to know what's going on.
Can I get an update?
Was it done?
And there was also informationof a Zelle, a Cash App and a
PayPal account.
Okay, so like all thatinformation is shared on these

(33:10):
downloaded on this downloadedcontent from Grant's contraband.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Right and we're like pre-trial right now.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Oh yeah, this is all this hasn't even been.
She hasn't even no conviction.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
This was all last year.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
She is just now arrested 2024, October 3rd, Mean
Girls Day Last year she is justnow arrested, october 3rd Mean
Girls Day All went down Lastyear.
Yes, All went down.
Fuck.
There were pictures of Aaronand his smoking buddy and the
vehicle that they would be in onthat phone.
Then messages were discoveredwith Grant and the third party,

(33:44):
which is redacted Now.
It is my theory, my theory.
This is not.
This has not been put in courtAnything.
This is my theory that thisthird party was the one who
brought this information tolight.
Because why else would they getthat phone?
Grant made a whole goddamndocumentary with a contraband
phone.

(34:05):
Why else would they?
They know he's got him.
I mean, that documentary washuge.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
OK, yeah, it was Fuck .

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Now Grant says to the third party to block the main
number that he has been textingfrom and there would be another
number to follow.
So there was another phone.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yeah, they just keep bringing them in, right?
I mean, there's plenty ofbuttholes in prison.
You can put all the phones inthere you want.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
And he tells Grant, tells third party that Aaron
would be distracted from a phonecall from him.
So Grant was going to callAaron.
That way he woke up out of hissleep and that way third party
would know he's up now.
Know, oh fuck, right now, thiswhole time that she had been

(34:51):
having this relationship withgrant, she is still posting
happy couple posts on instagramand I saw them and it's
heartbreaking you got me fuckinggetting fucked up over here.
I mean, it was them doing thingsand going on trips, you know,
doing life as a seemingly happycouple.

(35:11):
Well, after this getsdiscovered and it takes a while,
it takes a little longer than Ithink it should have taken, but
Seminole County they contactthe authorities in Vegas where
Aaron and Victoria share a home.
They contact the authorities inVegas where Aaron and Victoria
share a home and let them knowwhat has been found on Grant's
phone, which was extremelyconcerning.

(35:32):
I mean, not only has Victoriaplanned out a hit on her husband
and it it looks like it shouldhave already been carried out.
So on March 6th 2025, they getthe phone.
They get the phone on meangirls day, october 3rd 2025.
They get the phone.
They get the phone on MeanGirls Day, October 3rd 2024.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Right.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
The police don't show up to Aaron and Victoria's
house until.
March 6th 2025.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
From October to March .
Yeah, what?

Speaker 1 (35:59):
So?
They arrive at Aaron andVictoria's home with a search
warrant and I know shit likethat takes time, but goddamn,
this man's life was in danger.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
The Seminole County prison system is fucking garbage
.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, they're letting everybody bring in the butthole
phones.
Right, and I mean Grant's gotat least two.
Who sings that song?
I got two phones.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
One for my butt and one for my slut.
I got two phones, one for thehit and one for the clit, or
whatever.
I don't know what they'resaying, but still that's insane.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Well, they show up with a search warrant and then
she's arrested and charged withsolicitation to commit murder
and conspiracy to commit murder.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
And she's paid.
She's already put a downpayment on it.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Right.
Well, victoria denied herinvolvement of the hit but said
she had been daydreaming ofbeing in a different situation.
But she didn't feel that wayanymore.
Ok, she's good now.
She had only fantasized aboutleaving Aaron and being with
Grant.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
And maybe she just texted while she was daydreaming
.
That's a hard pill to swallow.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
This man is in prison for killing his family?
Why are you daydreaming aboutbeing?

Speaker 2 (37:09):
with him.
What are you going?

Speaker 1 (37:10):
to get out of this.
He's going to be there forever.
He ain't getting out.
He's exhausted all of hisappeals, by the way.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Even if you did two life sentences, you still got
one more to go.
You're not getting out.
I'll pay taxes for him to be inprison.
Lindsay, how do you feel aboutthat?

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Now, this does piss me off, because we are paying
taxes for him to be in prisonand having relationships with
other women having butt phonesand organizing a hit on a
fucking TV star, is that?

Speaker 3 (37:41):
how you feel about this.
Is that really?
Is that a hard pill to swallow?
Does your throat sphincter kind?

Speaker 1 (37:45):
of clamp he does.
He's making another treat.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Is your throat sphincter clamping about paying
taxes for this piece of shithere and his butt phones?

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Well, she also says that she didn't remember sending
any of those messages.
What the fuck.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
They're so detailed.
No, no, you didn't fuckingimagine this and just it.
No, it did not just fuckingcome out of thin air, it came
out of somebody's butthole.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
When she was asked what like?
What about the money that wasset aside for this murder, she
said oh, I thought that moneywas just for Grant to be able to
get more cell phones, not a hitman.
Eleven point five thousanddollars for get more cell phones
, not a hit man.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
$11,500 for contraband cell phones, and we
done paid the fucking deposittoo Out of.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Aaron's bank account, because he's the one bringing
in the dough.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
It's all there, you're done, you're done, you're
done.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
She was then asked about her Facebook name, which
was Victoria Candy, and shedenied having a Facebook at all.
It actually might have beenInstagram, I'm not sure, but she
was also shown a message fromher to Grant asking if she
should delete.
Oh, it was Facebook.
She asked Grant should I delete?

(39:03):
Should I delete my messagesfrom Facebook Messenger?
Like that's literally a messagethat she sent grant.
Should I delete this?
But she's saying that shedidn't do it.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
but it's there you gotta be it's evidence a little
bit fucking smarter to be a goodcriminal right, good criminals.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
There's so many stupid criminals out here oh, so
, so many, so many, so wehaven't even scratched the
surface.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
You can't make another account with one of your
butthole phones.
You can't.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Come on.
Well, she didn't have thebutthole phone.
She could have still got aburner phone.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Yeah, but you can get one and make a whole ass
account with a whole fake thingyeah.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
And run it all that way, I mean well, when she
realizes that the jig is up, sheadmits that her and Aaron's
marriage had started fallingapart soon after they married.
And yes, she had been having arelationship with Grant, which
had started by letters to himafter she saw the documentary.
What kind of relationship isthis?

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Like you're on the you're, you're, you're, you're
in the forefront of fame.
I mean you're.
You're married to a dude that'sfamous.
He's got a whole career infront of him, right.
What the fuck is he doing?
So fucking wrong?
Do you have some dirt on?

Speaker 1 (40:12):
this Not shit.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Not shit.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Really Not that it's out there yet.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Like I said, this is brand new, but there's nothing
that holds any weight, right, Imean, okay, they went to Disney,
they got in California, theygot married.
It's all beautiful.
He has a full on big careerhe's he's a millionaire.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
And it's cool.
Yeah, he's yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
So I mean he's not.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Zach Bagans millionaire, but he's a
millionaire.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yeah, yeah.
How many episodes now you?

Speaker 1 (40:36):
said season 29.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Season 29.
Yeah Times, 10 episodes, right,so.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
So there's a shitload Probably 300 episodes he's
actually recorded, if it's beenout since 2008,.
I'm guessing there's twoseasons a year.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Yeah, on a huge network, I mean you're multi,
yeah, discovery Plus.
Yeah, millionaire dude Just outthere doing his thing and
you're trying to fucking hook upwith this.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Which I use my besties.
Login for Discovery.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Plus Thank you, Cindy .
This Ratatouille.
Fucking Florida idiot thatkilled his parents because he
wanted to whack off to somebodyin Bulgaria.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
So ratatouille, like nailed it.
Yeah, looks like an absoluterat.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
I want to whack off to Sylvia in Bulgaria steal all
my parents' money and thenmurder them, and then me and
Lindsay is going to pay fuckingtaxes for the rest of our life
for the rest of his life, so soyou can have butt phones and
create some bullshit like thisand have a chick that actually
fucking has all this amazingstardom and probably just
anything at her fingertips thatshe wants.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
You know not saying that you need to be a shitty
chick and be a gold digger, butat the same time you kind of got
all the good shit OK so I likeI said and I talked to you about
this the other night Like shesat down, she reached out to
this guy but she started and shestarted a relationship with him
.
Now, going back to DamienEchols, lori did the same thing

(41:54):
but after watching thedocumentary she's like he didn't
do it, jesse didn't do it,jason didn't do it.
I want to reach out and seewhat I could do to help.
That's completely different.
Well, you had, you know, youknow you had people like well,
she was the one that got therock stars, she was the one that
got the rock stars people.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
That was all, lori you know, lord of the rings, you
had people you know people fromall around the world that were
supporting us because they couldsee that they could.
You could easily see that youknow kind of a closed up kind of
grunge dude that got pulledinto some bullshit, a guy with
low IQ and another guy that wasjust a friend.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
He was just Damien's friend, yeah.
And he wore a Metallica shirt.
That's literally.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
They were targeted Right it's a whole different
situation.
But the real shit's supposed tocome out.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
This man admitted to murdering his family on this
documentary and you're stillgonna reach out to him and want
a relationship with him.
Bro, what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (42:46):
I'm trying to bring in hate, lindsey, but I don't
want to be hateful.
I don't want to be hateful, butwe're paying taxes for this
ratatouille, motherfucker well,like I said, burner phones.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Jesse watched this documentary.
I watched this documentary.
We recapped about it in ourwednesday episode.
If you didn't listen, go backand listen, and I don't.
I need an explanation.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
I can't stress this enough.
Why do women come toward this?

Speaker 1 (43:08):
right, that's where I'm going and any other of his
weird fans.
Why would you want to reach outto this guy in any romantic way
?
Why is this?
A thing like dommer had fans uh, richard ramirez, uh, is it
richard?
Yeah, the night stalker, he haduh fans.
Ted bundy had fans.
Ted bundy had uh produced achild in prison.
How, how, why do you?

Speaker 3 (43:31):
he wants to do that like he would.
He would.
He would rape corpses literallydefile corpses and not rape
them, I guess, or whatever, butstill you were doing yes yeah,
completely.
And then go home to his wife,girlfriend, well, whatever, yeah
, and she didn't know.
Fuck yeah, dude, don't fuckinggravitate toward this.

(43:53):
Why do they think they can fixthis?

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Danny Rowling.
Danny Rowling had a fan.
Yeah, you sang to her infucking open court.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Garbage, garbage, oh my God.
And even Jim Jones had a wholefull ass fucking book.
I could not believe of all thepeople.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
The fuck schedule.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yeah, the whole, literally the whole schedule,
the schedule.
I don't know anything about alot of these because I try to
keep myself away from it, butwhy do women gravitate toward
that?
I just don't understand it.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
I don't know, I don't understand it.
Okay.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Yes, is it like Stockholm Syndrome?
What kind of syndrome is this?

Speaker 1 (44:31):
And I'm going to say this in the best way that I can
describe possible, without melooking like a psycho.
But yes, murderers fascinate mebecause I want to know why and
as much true crime that I'velistened to most of the time
there's head injuries involved.
There is a horrible abusivechild.

(44:51):
Not always, Not always.
Most of the time there'shorrible childhoods involved
With women.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
It's usually because they have been not saying all of
them have been abused, orsexually, you know, physically
mentally everything, yeah, tieyou up or chain you to a bed,
right, what we just found out inFort White, which is the town
next, well, we're gonna have todo that one.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
We'll do that one later.
I'm still waiting on morecoverage.
Come out with that, literally15 minutes, but like there's a
whole salad there's salad.
We call it the the serialkiller salad.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
I always try to find a breaking point and always try
to point that out in our podcast.
I'm just like there's no excusebut, you see, what happened.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
But people are like okay, you got people that have
injuries on the cuff are a bigbig thing.
Yeah, Head injuries really fucka person's brain up.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
And he was.
He was on the cusp too.
You could tell he kind of had alittle maybe it's a little bit
of autism kind of, a kind of aweird setback type person.
Then all of a sudden his wholecareer fell apart.
He tried to get in the workfield.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Then he I believe Grant's was.
It was addiction, completeaddiction.
He didn't want to let it go.
His addiction was Sylvie and heruined everybody's lives
because it would be just like ifit was heroin or crack or
cocaine or meth.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
He's just so selfish in his acceptance.
He was looking for thatacceptance and he didn't care
what it took, how much money Iwant to spend to feel accepted
and to have my little click.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Instead of righting the wrongs in his life, he took
to an outlet where he ruinedeverybody's life and ended up
murdering them.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Yeah, yeah, I mean fuck it.
Go go sing karaoke on Thursdaysand hang out.
Go to the moose lodge, go to goto bingo night every week.
Go go do something, Just okay.
So he, he went to Japan.
He loved all the anime stuff.
Why didn't he go to like somecons or something?
Just go hang out with peoplelike, create your own fun,
loving family.
He could have found a chickthat he actually had a

(46:45):
connection with and done ithealthy.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
You don't go down these avenues where you're
stealing from people, just toget acceptance what I compare it
to a lot and, like I said,compared to a lot of people's
situations.
Mine might be minute, but itwas still a lot that happened to
me.
I've been physically andmentally abused.
It was still a lot thathappened to me.
I've been physically andmentally abused.

(47:08):
I never thought about killingor even hurting another person.
Even the person that did it tome Never thought about that.
I just wanted to get away andhave a different life and come
up.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
That's me.
I would walk away instead ofreciprocate.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Walk away.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
I'm not going to try to put that on you, and that's
what's fascinating to me is whyI can think like that.
That's me.
I would walk away instead ofreciprocate.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
I'm not going to try, I'm not going to try to put
that on you, and that's what'sfascinating to me, is why I can
think like that, but somebodyover here will think completely
different.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Yeah, whole different mindset.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
That is what is fascinating to me, but the fact
of Victoria reaching out tosomebody and that wasn't even
his first the first person thatreached out to him and be like I
love you, right, even thoughyou murdered her whole family.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Yeah, get out of this .
What are you going to get?

Speaker 1 (47:55):
This is so literally you're not going to be able to
be with him.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
No, Ever You're not going to go to Disney World with
him at all and, like I said, goto Disney.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
World with him at all and, like I said, and also the
fascination with me stops at.
Okay, how did they do this?
That's it Period.
I don't want to reach out tothem, I don't want to talk to
them, nothing, unless.
I was like a reporter or ajournalist or something like
that that wanted to create astory to sell to the public.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Right, that's it.
Okay.
True crime right now is not ourjob, but even if it was our
full-on career, we're not goingto try to tie into these people.
No, the people I want to talkto is survivors.
Victims.
I want to talk to victimssurvivors.
Bystanders Wrongfully accused.
Yes, things like that.
We're going to reach out forthat.

(48:44):
That's the people I want toreach out to and have a personal
relationship with and ifthey're wrongfully, accused,
then we're going to tie in,we're going to try to figure out
what's really going on andmaybe help them out, because
we've been plugging the WestMemphis Three since we started
talking about it.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
That one is very, very close to my heart and
there's some new stuff comingout about that.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
I'm excited, I know.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Get those guys.
She's so passionate over thereshe is Look at her, let the
truth come out, so those boyscan travel the world if they
want to.
They can't leave this countrybecause they are convicted
fellows for something theydidn't do.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
They deserve free on, just full ride, and they
deserve a lot of money.
They really do.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
And they never asked for it.
They couldn't ask for it.
They don't need to ask for it.
They are out on an Alford plea.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
They can't do anything, which was crazy to me
you had to say that you did itjust to get out, just to get out
.
It doesn't make any sense.
It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Nope.
So during the trial, victoria'sdefense would argue that she
has never been in trouble, shedidn't go through with it and
she had abandoned the planbefore Grant's phone was
confiscated, and that is true.
And they also argued that shehad already spent 92 days in and
that if she could just get onprobation she would move and she
would not have any more contactwith Aaron or anybody he knew.

(50:01):
They also argued that she wouldnot be able to get proper
treatment for her rareswallowing disorder while
incarcerated, and that'sprobably true too, but at the
same time when you're in prison.
Okay, so jail and prison aretwo different things.
When you're in jail that youcan't get shit.
When you're in prison, youactually can get medical
treatment.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Yeah, you're actually better ride that we pay taxes
for Lindsay, right, I get madover there over this.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
It was brought to light that she had actually been
blackmailed, and by I'mguessing, this is just a guess
by the third party for around$60,000.
And she paid that money.
It also came to light that shehad had another affair and there
were two instances of herattempting to hire a hit too.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
So she's formed an addiction in its own.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
In its own.
She's also a daydreamer.
She is not on reality's planewhatsoever, no.
So in court and I watched allof this she apologized to Aaron
for the pain, anxiety andbetrayal that she caused him.
She says that she will alwayshold love for him and that she
prays he finds his joy and peaceas she will be out of his life

(51:16):
forever.
She says she will move out ofNevada and he, or anyone that he
knows, will ever hear from heragain.
Then Aaron speaks and he iscrying and not going to lie.
I fucking cried right alongwith him.
Okay, it's so sad.
And he says that for sevenyears he thought he was in the

(51:40):
most loving relationship withhis best friend, someone he
trusted wholeheartedly, someonehe laughed wholeheartedly,
someone he laughed with everyday.
He says he was loyal to her andthought they had something
special.
Then he found out she wascheating with multiple men One

(52:01):
named Vincent, who turned out tobe Grant Amato.
Fuck Lindsay.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
And he had given her Vincent who turned out to be
Grant Amato.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Fuck yeah, lindsay, and he had given her the option
of divorce or they could work itout because he loved her so
much.
He stated that she had felt sobad and said she didn't want to
lose him.
Now, discovering that she hadput a hit out on him to kill him
more than once and gotblackmailed and spent all of

(52:31):
their savings to keep it quiet,and that she fell more in love
with Amado and even gotspiritually married to him and
had continued this is garbage,man, this is garbage.
And had continued talking tohim until the day she was
arrested.
He says that he now fears forhis life every day and that he

(52:55):
had to hire arm security.
He's always looking over hisshoulder.
He's going through therapy.
He says he cannot trust anyoneand never feel safe and that he
cries every day and he feels soalone.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
So now Grant has fucked up two more lives.
Yes, shit.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
She lied to him every day without a worry or a care,
and he doesn't understand any ofit and he will never be the
same again.
He said that in court.
I fucking bawled my eyes outwatching that shit.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
So I get to watch that.
Come on, I'm sure you're goingto show me that, god, I'm gonna
be so mad.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
I'm so mad now, but I'm really gonna be mad then,
because I think I'm gonna be alittle bit drunker, more drunk
well that, like I said, the mostthat I could find was a lot of
law and crime episodes and likeone court tv on youtube and most
of it is all so new.
It's yeah, but most of it wasbasically speculation.

(53:58):
And then I found her sentencingdate and that's where I watched
the open court footage of herspeaking and Aaron speaking, and
Aaron now has a lawsuit againsther for $100,000 at this time
and she was only sentenced to 36to 90 months.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
What that's it?
It's like a car loan, yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Well, sounds like a car loan, Okay so the $100,000
lawsuit against her, of course,is the money that she spent on
trying to kill him and he saidshe was very controlling.
Yeah, so there is going to bemore about this later in the
future.
We are going to update when Iget that.
We'll probably do a redo ofthis episode when I get, because

(54:47):
, you know, more informationalways comes out like two years
down the road.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
And we're fixing to wrap up next month Our first
whole season.
Yep, wow, lindsay, we're.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Yes, we're almost a year into this Almost a year in.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Wow, and that's just horrible.
Though, like I keep saying,though we're paying taxes for
this motherfucker to keepfucking up people's lives Yep,
he's fucking up people's lives,killed three and now he's fucked
up two more.
And how?
How is this little fuckingratchet?

Speaker 1 (55:16):
fucking ratatouille.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
He not, motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
How is he doing it?
He got that big dick energy,don't he?
I don't he?
I don't know what he's got.
He has no dick energy to me.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
I got to look right on the screen and was disgusted.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
I don't know how there was anything appealing
about watching.
Grant Amato, even hismannerisms.
There's nothing sexy about himat all.
Zero, zero.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Me and Jesse watching that documentary.
When he's literally talkingsexy to another woman, I
literally almost vomited.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Yeah, and it's so blah, he's so gross to me.
Nothing cool about this dude.
So gross.
Goodness gracious Not my typewhatsoever.
So that's what you got so faron this, huh.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Yeah, so that's the end of what I could find on.
Victoria Goodwin, which isliterally a continuation of
Grant Amato.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
I'm not supposed to be excited to hear about it.
Like I'm not really, but I amexcited and you did so far.
You kind of did great, you kindof did great.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Thank you, and thank you Taking a virtual bow.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
You're killing it and you're digging you had to get
on their socials, their socials.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
So new and, like I said, and I'm going to post
pictures in our story, but thepictures of them together, you
would never guess that thisbitch is plotting behind his
back.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
And I bet she is gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Absolutely not.
I think she's ugly as fuck.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Really.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
No, I mean there's a big age gap.
At this time he's 48 and she's32.
So seven years ago he's 40 andshe's 25.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
I'm trying to put the picture together.
Is she this gorgeous woman thathas everything going for her?

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Not in my opinion, but I don't understand why would
you have all of this and fuckit up?

Speaker 3 (57:09):
And not be happy.
All the happiness is there andthen you're going to reach out
for this dude.
That's three life sentences in.
I just don't understand it,Lindsay.
I can't understand it.
I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
I don't either.
I mean I really don't.
I'm going to show you picturesof them.
I don't either.
I mean I really don't.
I'm going to show you picturesof them.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
I mean he's in my opinion, a good looking dude.
I've seen him.
Yeah, I'm sure I'll recognizeprobably both.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
I don't think that she's all that in my opinion
he's not all that either, butit's whatever.
They're average Joes, yeahaverage.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
And I do remember him so much.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
So much, it's crazy.
It's crazy.
Why would you fuck all that up?
I just do not understand at all.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Now on her.
You know, on the photos thatyou see of them she's decently
attractive, but when you see herin court after all that shit's
washed away she's an ugly littlebitch in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Well, anyhow, they're just average.
Joes, she's got an ugly soul.
That's what you're seeing pastthat.
She looked like an average.
They both just average Joes butI don't understand.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
I mean Luke's saying everything but, like I said,
she's got an ugly soul, whichkind of matches with Gran Amato,
because he's got an ugly asssoul which makes him an ugly ass
human being, in my opinion, aswell as her.
If you for for you to be ableto reach out to a monster that
killed their whole family over afemale, you're a monster.
I mean, you're disgusting,you're ugly.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
You're nasty.
It's really disgusting.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
It's disgusting.
Cold blood.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Cold blood murder, yeah, and then let him suck you
in over whatever infatuation.
You have to fuck up your wholelivelihood and then another
human being Like I said later onwe're probably going to get way
more information on these textexchanges.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
It's going to be a thing.
There's going to be adocumentary, I'm guessing.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
We'll see.
How is he doing this?
How is he pulling it?
What the fuck Kind of energy.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Like I said, he helped create a whole
documentary with a contrabandphone.
So, like I said in my opinion,I want to stress that this is my
guess.
This is not factual, that thirdparty had to have sold him out.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Yeah, they should have.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Why else would he have gotten that confiscated?
Right, because he didn't get itconfiscated with a whole ass
documentary that he helpedcreate through contraband.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
You know, here's what I'm thinking.
And admitted to killing hisfamily on that documentary.
I think there's something elsegoing to come out about all of
this.
For this actually being able togo on Right.
There's going to be a wholenother thing.
Come out behind the scenes.
Somebody else is getting,somebody else is getting a fall
for all of this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
We shall see how the story unfolds.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
There's some fucking underground money going on here.
They're in in abelin and you'reletting this shit happen in
your prison system and there'sgonna be something, because it's
too big.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
What the fuck?

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
it's getting too big.
There's something gonna comeout more on this, so I think
you're gonna have some dirt.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
That's okachobee okanon choboden yeah, that's
okachobee.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
That's awesome like, but definitely go back florida
definitely go back and check outthe one we did before this one,
so you can tell we got grantamato, we got the recap, all the
documentary, all three parts.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Just check them all out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Yeah just us ramblings and and lindsey's.
You know research.
Holy fuck dude, this is so newand you're digging this up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
I'm so like I said, I was absolutely flabbergasted at
finding out that informationhad zero.
She was not on my agendawhatsoever, you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
You had to clock in, I had to clock in, I have cases
lined up for the next threeyears.
We're doing podcasts and I'mdoing true crime here.
I got to clock the fuck in.
This is some new shit we got todo this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Breaking news.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Breaking news.
There's going to be somethingelse about all this, because you
can't have this much, andthere's probably way more
corruption and some bullshitgoing on in this prison system
that we're fucking paying taxesfor, you've seen how much he was
on that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Yeah, you've seen how much he was on that screen time
.
Yeah, like prison phone callsis one thing yeah.
But screen time on adocumentary from prison, fuck's
sake.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Yeah, fuck's sake.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
What's going?

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
on Okachub.
What is going on?
So I'm not allowed to playmusic yet you are.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
What band are you plugging this week?

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
I have a really, really cool band.
I think it's going to be a goodjam for this and it's a nice
change.
So Evan Boyer, we, I wasreaching out to bands and I
hooked up with evan and he sentme this cool ass jam that I want
to play.
This song is called the fear,so I want you guys to check it
out.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
I'm sorry I'm drying out.
Today I can't help much or findthe words to say I'm doing all
I can to be the man you want tostay.
I'm sorry, I'm doing all I canto be the man you want to stay.
I'm sorry I'm drying out.

(01:02:32):
Today Sun's up still.
You know I've got to go andfall asleep before my demons
show Go.
Sleeping through temptationsjust as good as saying no, sorry

(01:02:54):
.
You know I've got to go Faraway from here to dream about a
life that I hold dear, far awayfrom here, and know I'll never

(01:03:14):
live without the fear.
Sorry, I'm crying out.
Today I've said too much anddon't mean what I say.

(01:03:36):
I've turned this happy homeinto a God-forsaken place.
Sorry, I'm crying out today,this happy home into a God
forsaken place.
Sorry, I'm crying out today,far away from here, dream about

(01:04:01):
the life that I hold dear, faraway from here.
No one ever lives without thefear.
Guitar solo.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Falling from here To dream about a life that I hold
dear.
Fall away from here.
No, I'll never live without thefear.

(01:05:03):
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
I loved it so much it reminded me of the Highwaymen.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
That's what I'm saying.
Like he's a Highwayman, he's,so yes like he's a highwayman.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
He's so like 100 honorary highwayman right there,
modern, if you don't know whothe highwayman is that is a
super group with waylon jennings, johnny cash, chris
christopherson and willie nelsonand like 100 you got that
highwayman energy bro, I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Great stuff, really great.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
I mean, that was three minutes and 33 seconds of
fever right there three threeyeah, I love it and if you want
to follow evan, he is oninstagram and his handle is evan
boyer music so good.
And he is described as TexasAmericana and follow, follow,

(01:06:10):
because I really enjoy that.
Wasn't that a?

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
great change.
We play so much metal Becausewe love it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
We love it, but we love it all at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
If anybody hears this and you know some cool bands,
send them to me, because I'menjoying stuff like this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
I got some cool country western bands and some
ethnic bands and some stuffcoming up too.
You're going to love it,Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
I'm so excited.
I'm so excited.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Cultural bands too.
I love it.
I just this is this is my thing.
This is my thing over here, yes, over here.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
So we had just a horrific time over here, Lindsay
.
Thank you so much so horrific.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
So yeah, also ongoing Grant has continued To destroy,
people Just destroy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
His destruction.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
The destructor yes.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
In Okeechobee yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
It's an ongoing thing , though, about Happy Gilmore 2,
right, the flask thing.
Yes, we've been talking aboutthat.
I haven't seen anybody reachout, but I want to see somebody
reach out about the counts onthe flask and your favorite
flask.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
Don't cheat.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Don't cheat, don't Google, don't cheat, hit me up.
Watch the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
And I did a thing way back, way back, about a joke
that nobody hit me back up on.
If you get that joke that I didon one of our podcasts and you
point it out, you get somethingfree.
I'm going to send you some freemerch.
We have a merch store,drinkaboutsomethingsite.
It's on there and it's onSpreadshirt.
Just go to the website and youcan find all the cool little

(01:07:36):
linkies, little linky poos, justlike everybody else says like
share, subscribe, follow allthat blah, blah, blah.
You did great blah, but yeah,you did great.
Lindsay, you were there doinggreat over there with your
little greatness.
Thank you, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
But now it's time for some munchies.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
I'm not going to ever seek out some chick that has
like four life sentences.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Oh my God, To try to put a head on me.
What the fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Likewise, what the fuck likewise whoa, whoa that
was wild oh, I don't get it.
But yeah, we're gonna have somedrinky poos, we're gonna watch
some tvs and we're gonna hangout.
It's a great weekend.
Hope you have a great weekend.
We will see you guys, probablyon like, yeah, wednesday or
something.
Yeah, yeah, we're doing likelike a you know wednesday and a
friday thing, so, yeah, we'llsee you guys.

(01:08:22):
Then we'll uh let you know whatuh we come up with later on on
this whole thing, because thisis going to be a big thing.
I think, yeah, there's going tobe something dirty coming out.
There's more dirt, there'salways dirt, always dirt.
Spread the dirt.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Spread it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
We'll see you guys then.
Love you so much, bye.