EPISODE 50: Ed Gein's house of horror

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey Jesse, hello Lindsay, what are you drinking
today?
We made some 40 Bloody Marys,we did, and I guess, I guess, I
guess, I guess, I guess, I guess.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Oh my God, are you malfunctioning?

Speaker 1 (00:16):
I guess we can say that in a British accent,
because I just found out thatBloody Mary was an actual female
that killed a whole lot ofpeople.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah.
So if you follow me on TikTok,wow, drink about something.
Pod underscore Lindsay.
We went, we made Bloody Marysthis morning on there and with
some new ingredients that I gotfor my birthday, and I gave
Jesse a little history lessonbehind.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
See, and I thought it was somebody that took a bath
Bloody.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Mary Urban legend.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, and you were like, no, that's another chick I
Bloody Mary, urban Legend yeah,and you were like, no, that's
another chick, I'm like there'smore, there's fucking more,
there's fucking more.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
You, sweet summer child, actually you're a winter
child.
I'm a winter child that don'tremember shit.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
That's what I am.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I probably knew about that shit somewhere.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, I'm a Sag.
I'm a walking pile of Vag.
Oh my God, saj Vaj.
So you're drinking the samething.
So it's amazing, it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yes, we made these.
We usually use Zing Zang, whichwe still use a little bit of
that, but we made them withDevil Dave's, or was it Dave
Devil's Devil, dave's Devil.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Dave's the great Bloody Berry mix.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yes, and it's very nice with some pickle vodka and
some Cajun garlic and someturkey.
I mean we got.
We got a whole dinner.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
We threw a whole thing.
Yeah, there's bacon.
We threw in bacon.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
And green beans.
We got pickled green beans inthere.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, I think Macon likes the bacon, if I'm not
mistaken, from South Park.
Remember that.
Yes, we were talking about that.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, I was just telling you about that today.
Parker and Matt stone is justso fucking iconic they so for
some reason, all of their oldshit has been coming up in my.
Is it like an anniversary thisyear?
South park anniversary.
I don't know, it's ananniversary every day for me,
but like I've never had um thatmuch content from trey parker

(02:01):
and matt stone, like all theirold interviews.
There are little little thingsthey used to do in between in
the episodes, like at thebeginning or the end or in the
middle, where they were sittingin front of the fireplace with
the dog, and they would bereally, oh my God.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
You see my face right now because I just lit up about
this whole theory thing goingon.
What Basketball.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
What if this Savannah Bananas is like the dawn of
that whole theory?
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Oh, because people are getting bored, at sports,
certain sports and I wasliterally telling Jesse that the
other night because I don'tlike sports and but I would go
see Savannah Bananas or theparty animals.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
You're selling out fucking Wrigley Field and
stadiums.
You're selling out stadiums.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
You're adding theater to sports and it's.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Basketball.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, true, it's basketball, so they had it
figured out right, but inbasketball they used the
basketball.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
They made a whole sport in its own.
It was like Well, they tookbaseball Iconic.
I'm not shitting on baseball,okay, american iconic.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's just baseball.
Okay, american iconic, this isboring at this stage.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
I mean, yeah, this is my humble opinion, sorry.
What if there's a don of it?
Now, adam sandler, just put alittle something in there too,
right, oh yeah, so what ifthere's a don of professional?
Well, you know, of course Ibrought up lingerie football.
Of course you know, because I'ma dude, whatever Right, I
brought that up.
But like iconic you pig I am, Iwas honest with you, lindsay,
at least I was honest.
No, I was just, I was quoting.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Rizzo from Grease.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
You pig, if you're a dude, dude, you're going to
watch.
You're not going to scroll pastlingerie football for a second.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
I would watch lingerie football.
What are you?
That's why I brought it to yourattention, because you'd be
like, look at them.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yams, I'd be like look at that cake, look at all
that, but anyhow, anyhow, youhave a whole ass thing going on
here.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
I do.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
And there's a whole 50th episode.
I know that you've created.
Do you want to that I wrote ohfirst of all, happy 50th oh yeah
.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Happy one year anniversary.
Oh, oh yeah, we already did onour little live recap.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Okay, okay, okay, here we go with the intro.
Okay, this is number 50.
Holy shit, let's see.

(04:33):
So I mean I turned that up to12 on that.
I was jimmy hendrix on that one.
Sorry if I blew up any speakers.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
I had a crunk all the way up, dude.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Iunk all the way up, dude.
I did all the way Because weare 50.
I'm all the way up, I'm all theway up.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
We're not 50.
But our podcast is Well yeah50th episode.
Our podcast is one year old.
We're babies.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
This will be our official 50th episode.
Now we've put out way much more, way, much more.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Way much more, but this is our 50th episode about
an episode About a caseClassified as a case episode
type.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Your thing, your thing.
Well, fire the fuck off.
Lindsay Shit.
I'm ready to strap in.
I heard this is going to be ashitty one again.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
First of all, what made you feel old this week?

Speaker 1 (05:20):
My old, my old, is watching Silas, okay, and we
just brought up South Parkbecause that my old, my old, is
watching Silas, okay, and wejust brought up South Park
because that's that's probablycoming later on.
We're, we're, we're trying tokeep him away from so much
because there's just so much.
Right, it's hard, but he doeswatch Beavis and Butthead and
he's all asking me questions.
I'm like just I'll tell youlater what this stuff means,
because he's way later.

(05:40):
Oh God, he's too young, but it'severywhere and that's like
that's for all audiences.
Now Beavis and Butthead for allaudience.
Remember they were a biguprising about all that bullshit
back in the 90s, Right?
Anyhow, if you are a trueBeavis and Butthead fan.

(06:02):
Back in the day they had thissong called If I Only had a
Brain, by MC 900 Foot Jesus.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
What a name.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Isn't that cool.
But we love like that style ofmusic because I played some at
the dinner table last night thatit goes.
It's just like all the shit welove the Bloodhound Gang and
shit like that.
Like we love that kind of thatgroove and that you that drive
and and he's rapping in thebackground.

(06:28):
He's got this whole goofy rapthing going on, you know, like
mclemore or something.
It's really, it's really cool.
So watching my son do that andthat song's at least 32 years
old, come on, come on.
That made me feel old, but Ienjoyed it.
I had to hit my best friend up.
I was like dude, we grew up tothis song and we run around

(06:49):
singing this song for a coupleof years just in our heads.
We couldn't help it.
It was just all of ourexistence as kids not much older
than Silas.
So that was kind of what mademe feel old.
So, but uh, I'm gonna throw theball on your end of the court
there, Lindsay.
What made you feel old?
this week so well we weretalking about shell and peas in

(07:18):
front of the TV with newspaperdown.
Nobody does that shit, no more.
No, with a basket, a laundrybasket, I lay in here we had
like these, like these.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
they weren't't I don't want to say disposable,
but they were reusable, but theywere very cheaply made like uh,
wooden baskets, right, like itwas like a bushel, like we were
showing bushels right, you'd geta bushel in the wooden basket
that's my parents farmed and, uh, we grew all kind of different
peas like like agar peas, pinkeye, purple hulls, black eye
peas, lima beans those were amotherfucker Limers To shell oh

(07:50):
my God, that's why you don'tlike limers, but we used to sit
down.
I love lima beans.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (07:55):
I love lima beans.
We need to get some limers.
Yes, some limers.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
But we used to sit down in front of the TV shell
peas watching.
We sit down in front of the TVshell peas watching Will Fortune
, jeopardy, and then whateveryou know show was on that night.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
I mean it was Roseanne and Sanford and Son I
wasn't allowed to watch.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I wouldn't allow.
I wasn't allowed to watchRoseanne, so it was probably
like TGIF or Dr Quinn MedicineWoman, and there was a show
before that called Paradise.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Married with Children on my end over here over here.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah you, you got to watch all the cool shows.
I did not.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
I had to sneak those is there a deep seated jealousy
that you have really?
You got to hate in your heart.
Let it not really because I'vebeen able to watch all those
shows as I've been older, soyeah you know, what was really
cool, though, as far as lindseyand i's relationship is watching
her get to grasp and embrace somany different things that she
was sheltered from, and she justlights up, like she's living
the moments like I get to reliveit through her that I've

(08:52):
already forgot about.
I'm like dude.
I used to have this enthusiasmabout all this music and all
these horror films and all thisstuff, and she's finally just
blossom into this person that isjust grasping some certain
things, and I'm like dude.
I get to relive this becauseyou're so lit up about it.
I feel it again.
You know it's still you.
You keep me alive, lindsay, youare life.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
But it's cool though, because, even though it made
for a very awkward childhoodthat I was sheltered from, I am
glad that I did get toexperience a lot of things for
the first time as an olderperson, because it makes more
sense than it would to than itwould have to me as a.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Right.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
As a kiddo.
So even though I did likebecause I would get home and I
had to be by myself for an hourbefore my parents would get home
from work and they would playreruns of Married with Children,
Roseanne Cheers, shit like that.
So you did get it, I did get it, but I didn't get it like in a
row.
I had to watch it kind of allover the place.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
So when streaming came out, you know that's what I
was doing.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
You was on it.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
I was binging all those shows front.
To finish I watched Cheers,frasier, roseanne and even all
the shows that I grew up with.
That I did watch week to weeklike Step by Step Family Matters
Boy.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Meets World?
Yeah, saved by the Bell.
Saved by the Bell, yeah.
So when was the first time,though, that you have watched
we'll say, texas ChainsawMassacre?

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Here in this house.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Really yeah, we'll say Texas Chainsaw Massacre here
in this house.
Really, what about somethinglike Silence of the Lambs?

Speaker 2 (10:29):
now.
I watched Silence of the Lambsfor the first time with my
friend Carrie when I was 16, 16or 17 did you watch Carrie with
Carrie?
Yes, I did that was when I fellin love with that movie.
I watched it high as a fuckingkite.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
The original Carrie is the tits and it literally.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Like you know, that's my.
I watch it every year.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
The OG.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
The OG, carrie, carrie, baby, they're all going
to laugh at you.
It's my favorite line, it's myfavorite part.
I'll hit Jesse.
I'm like here it comes, here,it comes here, it comes here it
comes and Travolta's in that.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, so it's a good movie.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
It's good, but I had to put those two together, space
is iconic in that movie andeven her mother Like, yeah, we
hate her character, but that wasa great job.
Period.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Iconic.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
I wish we had a little bit great time in Maine,
so I just had to bring those twotogether Texas Chainsaw
Massacre and Silence of theLambs.
Yeah, because, uh, I'm sorrythat I gaslit you, jesse, and
our listeners, and I said I wasgoing to do a short episode this
week, but this is not thatshort, but it is the 50th
episode, one year anniversary,and I wanted to go out of season
one with a bang and.

(11:51):
I just want to say really quickthank you so much to our
listeners for being here with usfor our first year of growth,
and we are striving to be betterand better yes, thank you guys,
so much, thank you, thank you,thank you to be better and
better.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yes, thank you guys, so much, you guys, thank you,
thank you, thank you, thank you,thank you and thank you.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Y'all have to forgive me.
I had a little cough and fit aminute ago and I'm still
recovering.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
I think she inhaled something out of her bloody
marrow.
Is that what it was?
The salt, the rim job, the rimjob, inhaling.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
But, thank you guys, yes, yes, we love you so much
and this has been a very I hateto call it fun journey, but it's
.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
No comment.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
It's been a journey.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
No effing comment, Lindsay.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
All right.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Are you guys ready?

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, sure Fire a fucking way here.
All right, it's spooky season.
You're sitting down with yourpopcorn or your snack of choice
on a crisp fall evening, withyour favorite cozy blanket and
some pumpkin-flavored anything,and you think to yourself what
shall I watch?
Maybe Alfred Hitchcock's Psychofrom 1960 or 1998.

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Silence of the Lambs, texasChainsaw Massacre.
Maybe House of a ThousandCorpses.
And then you say to yourself, Ithink I'll just watch all of
them.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Lindsay, you got to chill out, dude.
You're giving me chills rightnow.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Because they were all inspired by the same man, and
that man is who we are drinkingabout today Edward Theodore Gein
.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Holy fuck, lindsay, I know a little bit about this
one, but not the details, notthe deets.
And you just fucking told methat it wasn't going to be this
bad.
Dude, I'm saying that throughmy tooth.
It's this bad.
You'm saying that through mytooth, it's this bad.
I want you know what I want.
I'm gonna have to have anotherdrink, more than what I'm

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drinking, because this is gonnabe what I'm thinking it's gonna
be.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
I'm gonna be needing to be drinking because that's
what I'm thinking well, there'sa reason why I wanted to go
ahead and cover oh eddie, oheddie teddy here.
Because there's a reason.
I'm gonna put it.
I'm gonna plug that at the end,all right.
So ed was born on august 27th1906 to george and augusta geene

(14:15):
in lacrosse, wisconsin.
This is our first wisconsinstory.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Oh yeah, Taking it to the cheese state.
Yeah.
I think maybe.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
I'm not sure I have to go back and look.
I'm sorry Sometimes when Icover these, like it's so
horrific that, like, my mindblocks out the details, like
like it goes like I do.
Yeah, like I do, and then I'llremember them you can't at the
most random time I do, and thenI'll remember them at the most
random times, like I do.
Yeah, well, ed had an olderbrother named Henry and they

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were like about four years apart.
Well, george, here we go, herewe go with the salad.
So George was an abusivealcoholic and Augusta was very
religiously strict and shethought that almost all women
were harlots.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
All of them, all of them, they all out to get you.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
And she, she was her.
Their faith was what she calledold Lutheran.
I guess that was better thannew Lutheran.
I mean, she was the depravityof this woman.
What about the middle Lutheranand Augusta?
She hated sex, okay, and sheliterally, I mean, I honestly

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think, I mean, of course thiswas told.
You know this story was told byan author, a historian, but I
literally think she only had sexthe two times Henry was born.
She didn't like that.
He was a boy, so she wanted agirl.
Ed came along, wasn't a girl,but she decided to make him

(16:03):
Girlie, her pet kind of.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Dress him up.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Well, no, oh, I mean, he was what his father would
call kind of sissy-fied.
He cried a lot, a little muchyeah, mama's boy.
He was a mama's boy 100%.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
What the fuck else is there to live for as you get
into adulthood is having thatconnection, intimate connection
with the person that you love,and this chick is no, no, no, no
, no.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, george and Augusta were like the most toxic
couple.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Well, of course, yeah , yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Fuck.
And well, she consideredlacrosse to be a hotbed of moral
turpentine and convinced Georgeto move the family to a farm in
Plainfield.
Now, they had lived on adifferent farm for a very brief
period of time, but Plainfieldwas where they made their home.
Augusta wanted to completelyisolate her children and keep

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them from the evil outsideinfluences, and 155 acre farm
was just the place to do that.
And you know what else thatmakes me think of Bobby Boucher,
obama, oh yeah, everything is adevil, it's a devil, the devil.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
That's a fucked up salad already, though.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
I know, but that lit like literally the you know.
While I'm listening to the bookthat I listened to for this
case, I kept thinking fuckingKathy Bates was in my head.
At the level of manipulation,oh, it's oh yeah, it's horrible.
Her manipulation was reallyhorrible.
Now, since George, he waspretty much on the sauce the

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whole time.
Augusta would be the hardestworker of the family.
She did do the damn thing.
She was crazy, but she did thedamn thing she had to because
George just wanted to drink andfuck off all the time.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Crazy for feeling so blue.
I'm crazy for crying, crazy forlying.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
I'm crazy for crying.
I'm crazy for lying, I'm crazyfor loving you.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
I can put my own words to that fuck, whatever she
was lying.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
She was lying about people.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
With her closed leg gas.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Well, the boys would only leave the farm to go to
school, and even if they wouldtry to make friends, augusta
would go on and on and on abouthow horrible they were and how
bad their entire family was sothey couldn't even have friends.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Augusta had some shit happen to her too.
There's something she was.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
She's from germany, I don't, I don't know, I don't
know who knows.
So, um, this led ed I mean, andhenry too, but mostly ed it um,
it led to him having very poorsocial skills and his teacher
would say that he was very oddand he would do things like just
randomly laugh, like he waslaughing at his own jokes, that

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were like playing inside of hishead.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Right yeah, just creating his own happiness in
some way.
Well, this was early signs ofschizophrenia that he will be
diagnosed with later on oh, sohe wasn't doing it healthy, he
wasn't just trying to create butthis diagnosis would happen way
too late.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Oh, so George Gein would die of heart failure on
April 1st 1940.
Follow the timeline, okay.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
I'm trying.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
And Henry, well, I just started with it.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Well, you started in aught three.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
No, I started in oh six.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
That's when.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Ed was born, but I'm talking about follow the
timeline from now on, okay.
So George Gein dies of heartfailure on April 1st 1940.
Henry and Ed were in their latethirties, still living at home.
So, augusta, she hadaccomplished what she wanted to.
She had completely isolated hersons.

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Well, ed, he almost got achance to see the world through
a military draft, but after hisinitial evaluation the military
did not draft him because he hada skin growth on one eyelid
that impaired his visionslightly.
So he was sent back to the farm.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
So I always like to point out some kind of turning
point that could have been aturning point for him to get
into human society where shitwas going on.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Could have been, he could have latched on and been a
decent person Right.
He's in his almost 40s.
Yeah, he missed it.
He's never been away from home.
Oh, never been away from home.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Oh man, you imagine how fucking horrific that would
be to grow up like that.
I know, and it's like there'snot a lot you would know any
different.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
No, well, I'm saying there's not a lot about their
life until after George dies.
But that's a long time to bewithout friends, isolation, to
be without a partner, a mate,like this story.
I mean deep, deep sea it makesme really fucking sad.

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Yeah, really sad part of itthat's sad and long god yeah
after george's death, henry anded would go on to do odd jobs
around town.
You know, because they had thatthey didn't.
They were never a family ofvery good means, they just they
did.
They grew just enough crops andjust enough livestock

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slaughtering to make it.
Ed would even babysit kids, ashe related to children better
than adults.
He had a very young, immaturemind.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
He was.
He was made to stay in thatarea, you know, in that area of
his life, didn't get out of it.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
And even though Augusta belittled and abused Ed,
he was completely obsessed withher.
But, henry, he was sick ofAugusta's shit and he was ready
to get out and had finally met awoman he was planning on moving
in with and marrying.
This woman was divorced withtwo kids, so of course, to
Augusta she was an evil harlot.

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That didn't matter.
Henry was ready to fucking go,he was ready to get out that
farm.
Now Henry would tell Ed thatyou know he also needed to meet
someone, get out of the housesometimes.
And hey, man, your obsessionwith our mom, it's kind of weird
.
And Henry would say mean thingsabout Augusta, things that were
true, but Ed didn't like that.

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And uh, how, how dare Henryspeak ill of their mother, their
wonderful mother, in his eyes?
Well, on May 16th 1944, it'sfour years from from George's
death okay, ed was burning somefields to get them ready for
planting and the fire got out ofcontrol.
The fire department came likeright away, right away, to help,

(22:57):
uh, get it under control.
And after the fire had been putout, ed was like, omg, where's
Henry?
But it was weird because hedidn't.
He said he didn't know where hewas, but then he kind of led
them right to him.
So a search party was formedand they found Henry face down

(23:17):
in the fields and he had beendead for some time.
But he wasn't burnt.
Yeah, so Henry's death's death.
I think he was exactly 40.
Henry's death was ruled as heartfailure and later listed as
asphyxiation, like possibly dueto smoke in the fires.
I don't know, but no foul playwas suspected and there was no

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investigation and no autopsy wasperformed.
So now it's just Ed and Mama.
Now it's just Ed and Mama, mama.
Well, a short time later.
Okay, this is 1944.
A short time later, augustasuffered from a massive stroke
and Ed had to take care of her,but he was more than happy to.

(24:03):
He waited on her hand and footwhen he wasn't out earning money
for the bills.
Right now, I'm gonna go aheadand say this too they still
didn't have running water andelectricity, and that was well
underway by this time, rightyeah, I mean yeah, but I know
electricity well, I know, I knowI know.

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I mean, I think they were likethe only farm that didn't have
these amenities.
Yeah Well, in late 1945, Edneeded to buy some straw from a
nearby farmer and Augusta shehad gotten a little bit better
from her stroke she insistedthat she come along.
I guess she didn't really trustEd to negotiate a price.

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So when they arrived, thefarmer was beating I mean
trigger warning he was beatingthe shit out of a poor dog and
like beat this dog to deathright in front of Ed and his
mother, and a woman came out ofthe house yelling at the farmer
to stop.

(25:05):
Well, this upset Augusta likereally bad.
But it wasn't the man beatingand killing a dog, it was the
fact that the woman that cameout of the house was not the
farmer's wife.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
She was a harlot, a harlot Davidson Good job, good
job.
He is not reading my notes.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, oh, the harlots .
She was so upset that thisfarmer was shacking up with a
woman without being married thatshe suffered a second stroke,
oh my God, and died Right there.
Not there, a few days later,fuck, on December 29th 1945.
Right, yeah, it was literallylike a few days later.

(25:47):
Listen, don't get involved inother people's business, it will
kill you poor Ed Gein Boucherover here.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
No, that's a movie plot all together this is
literally a movie.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
I mean, we've watched them.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
I can dude.
I can feel it coming near.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Ed Gein.
So, ed, he was devastated, andthis because this was his only
friend and what he would callhis one true love.
And now he was all alone inthis world.
All alone.
So this is 1945.
Ed is all alone.
Okay, Snap, it said that he wasinconsolable, I mean, like

(26:38):
sobbing for quite some time andkept saying she was just too
good for this world.
Like over and over.
And after the death of hismother, ed descended into
madness A little bit deeper.
I mean, I think he had alreadybeen there a little bit, but he
just went really further andfurther into his own head.

(26:58):
Okay, he boarded up all therooms that his mother had used
in the house and never used themagain, all of them.
He wanted to preserve them Likeshe was still there.
What's that plot?
Damn Lindsay.
What's that plot?

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Psycho, psycho.
Yeah, mom's probably still upthere, mom's spaghetti is mom
still?
No, mom is not still up therebut I mean he treated it like
I'm almost okay, we'll get there.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
okay.
So the rest of the house thathe would use would become that
of nightmares, but we'll get too.
He would use one small room forhimself in the kitchen where he
would just eat a shit ton ofpork and beans, pork and beans,
all the gas, and you know whatthat made me think of, which is

(27:55):
a little bit of a light shed onthis darkness, and still
magnolias.
When they were buying the porkand beans for Drum, they said
Drum likes pork and beans.
He eats them with everything,everything.
And then they just pile it uplike 1920 cans.
We're not feeding them for thewhole year.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
I love me some steel magnolia.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
I love some weezer.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Man god, I love her what was the chick flick that I
talked about earlier today?
And you were like I've neverseen it.
Oh fuck oh Nell.
Oh yeah, we gotta watch NellLindsay Anyhow.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
I'm surprised I've never watched it, because I love
Jodie Foster yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
I watched her like I even loved her in the first.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I loved her in the first Freaky Friday.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Yeah, and I said another one that, like they were
secluded too, they had to comeup with their own language and
appellation yeah and they cameup with their own language and
everything.
So, oh, I didn't know it wasthat deep.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Oh, you didn't know, I better shut up okay he would
uh read a lot of pulp fictionand adventure stories about
nazis and cannibals.
Oh, of course they alwaysfucking go there.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Why the fuck do they always fucking go there?

Speaker 2 (29:03):
He became obsessed with this one woman named Isla
Koch, and she was known as thebitch of Butchenwald.
Fuck, here we go.
Or maybe it's Buchanwald.
Either way, I'm not.
I don't know Isla Koch.
Oh, either way, I'm not.
I don't know.

(29:23):
But Ira Kock, she was a Germanwar criminal that used the skin
of tattooed prisoners to makelampshades and other items.
That's a real fucking thing,dude, you can buy that shit.
This is what she looked like.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Human skin lampshades .
That was a.
She was a little war criminal.
Yeah, she looks like it.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
I'm going to post a picture of her in our stories
too.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
A little fucked up espionage shit going on Doing
some dirt.
She was a harlot.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, there was a.
I could probably do an episodeon her which I may get to later
on.
She should be.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
I did put her on my list.
Yeah, that'd be cool.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, yeah, she looks pretty rough and maybe talk
about the one that oh, what'shis name?
Ian Brady was obsessed with too.
That was a whole differentwoman.
Why in the fuck do they?

Speaker 1 (30:07):
always go toward fucking Nazis and shit.
Well, that's what I was goingto say.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
So Ian Brady, and then Meyer Henley, also because
he got her into the Nazi thing,and then Jim Jones, yeah, and
now Ed Gein, why?
And this isn't it on the onesthat were obsessed with Nazis
either it's very fucking strangewhy I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
I don't get it.
Is that your?

Speaker 2 (30:28):
resort.
Well, like I said, his mom wasGerman.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
So I don't know, I mean most of it tied to a global
experience that happened.
You know World War I and II,like there was a lot of shit.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
I mean, why would you be on their side, though?
You know what I mean.
No, never, yeah, never.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Never, well, I mean, there's a lot of shit that goes
on, I know, globally politically.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
There's a lot of things that we don't understand.
We never will.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Don't feed into none of that shit Fucking.
Just be good people, shit.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
In 1951, ed would start receiving a farm subsidy
and he would still, because thatwasn't enough.
He would occasionally work forthe municipal road crew and he
would crop crop thresh.
I did not look this up, I meantto, I had it in my notes and
everything.
Do you know what that is?
No Crop threshing.

(31:15):
Well, anyway, he worked for acrew with that.
Let's look it up real quickMunicipal Well, I, he worked for
a crew with that, let's look itup real quick.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Municipal.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Well, I know what the municipal road crew is.
They do bridges and stuff likethat, right Pretty much
Infrastructure, yeah,Infrastructure yeah and then
okay.
So crop threshing Hold on.
I literally had it wrote down.
To look that up.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
I don't know what that is.
Maybe I don't know what that is.
Maybe they're clearing out forroads and through crops or I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
So a crop thresher is a farm machine that separates
grains from their stocks and Iwas like OK, so I don't like a
combine.
Yeah, that's what I grew.
My dad had one of those.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
So I was just probably would make, he would
grow.
An earlier version of a combine.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, he would grow oats and he would sell the oat
part to feed company and thenwith the stock he would make hay
.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Right, you know more about farming than I do.
I mean, I did that shit.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Your girl was throwing some hay.
You know, back in the day therewas an old house that my dad
actually grew up in.
It was very chilling becausewhat he did was he gutted it out
and used that as a grainstorage instead of getting like
a silo, and we would just go inthere and play in the oats.
It was so much fun.

(32:27):
I bet like in kids that had noidea anything about farm life
when we come.
I mean, it was like the time oftheir life.
You found some shit to do it wasa pool of oats, I mean and, or
a house of oats just diving inand they're soft yes, that's
exactly what it was.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
That's cool, redneck ball pit okay I mean we hung
around stuff, you know, but mostof the time.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
But when I think back on that shit, I'm like, wow, I
literally because we didn't havephones, we I didn't, I didn't
have cable, none of that, and Ijust you went and did shit, I
went and did shit I chased cowsand hung out with them and I was
kind of an isolated kid.
I got your ass kicked a coupleof times by a cow.
You know, oh, I sure did whoothat was, oh, that could have

(33:11):
been the tragedy.
So, um, he, at night, he wasdoing, he was doing a little
something different.
He was doing some grave diggingwhat this was not a job that he
was employed to do, oh he wouldread newspapers from his and

(33:48):
surrounding he.
He looked in the obituaries forfreshly you know deceased.
He wanted them to be older andlook like his mama.
Fuck yeah, fancy Now, ed.
He didn't really get out muchbut he did have dinner with a

(34:10):
family that he did some farmthreshing with or for that was.
We're going to talk about thata couple of little later on.
But he would go to a placecalled Hogan's Tavern and he
didn't really drink much.
We kind of fancied the Hogan'sTavern owner and her name was
Mary Mary Hogan, who was twicedivorced and she looked a whole

(34:35):
lot like Augusta Gein.
There was a part of him thatactually despised Mary Hogan
because she was so impure.
And how dare she look anythinglike his precious mother while
being such a harlot?

Speaker 1 (34:50):
No, harlot's going to look like my mother.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
And she was.
She used foul language.
Oh, clutch my pearls, Iwouldn't have never made it in
this time period.
We would have been some harlotsin this hoe.
Harlots, I mean, we would havebeen, oh, uh.
What was the one?
Jim Jones' mom, thechain-smoking bitch that wore

(35:12):
pants in like the 20s?
Yeah, cussed like a sailor.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
She was damn sure a harlot.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
On December 8th 1954, seymour Lester walked into
Hogan's Tavern and Mary was notthere.
She was gone, but there was apool of blood on the floor.
He ran to the nearest house andcalled the chairman of Pine

(35:42):
Grove, because I guess all this,these little areas clustered
together.
Hogan's Tavern was in PineGrove but it wasn't far from
Plainfield, and so he so hecalled the chairman of Pine
Grove and then he called thesheriff at Stevens Point.
The shell casing was from a .35caliber and they could tell
that the body had been drugoutside, but there was no body.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
I'm thinking that Ed did some dirt here.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Mary Hogan would be missing for a few more years.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Woo, but found later on.
Oh, in what state are wegetting to that, lindsay?
Oh, in what state of that arewe going to find out?

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Well, there was a farmer.
This name is going to be crazy.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Ok, I'm cracking to my plant now because I'm
starting to picture things in mymind.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
I know there was a farmer named Elmo Eek.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
OK, I'm moving back now.
You don't need to be at theplant right now.
I'm good.
No, I shifted back.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
I'm back.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Say it again, lindsay .
Say it one more time for thelisteners Elmo eek.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
I'm eeking now listen .

Speaker 2 (36:52):
If this is not correct, y'all hit me up, but
the book that I listened to.
I rewound it.
Yeah, I was listening to theaudio book.
I went back several times tomake sure I got this name
correct, but from what I couldmake out, from what the author
or from what the narrator wassaying, was, this farmer's name
was Elmo Eek.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
You're dropping cool ass, cock, ass names around here
, man.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
And he would employ Ed for extra help from time to
time.
When the subject of the missingMary Hogan would come up in
conversation, elmo would say toEd hey, if you had spent more
time courting Mary, she might becooking for you now instead of
missing.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
He did not.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
He said la, la, la, la, la, la, la la Elmo's world
and Ed would crack a smile andsay she's up at the house right
now, and he would say this tomore than just Elmo Anytime Mary
Hogan was brought up.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
I don't think I would tell Elmo that shit at all.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Nobody thought anything of it.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
I don't want to tickle Elmo, but not tell him
about a dead body, jesse nobodythought anything of it Like
period.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
They just thought he anything of it Like period.
They just thought he was justjoking, he was just being weird,
ed, weird Eddie, come on, theydid call him Eddie.
Yeah, now there had been a fewmore disappearances that had
happened in this area as wellthat were not linked to Ed
either.
So that's another reason why hewasn't really looked into.
Yes, he was known as the townweirdo.

(38:20):
He was a little creepy.
He stared at women just alittle too long for comfort, but
they mostly felt bad for him.
In the span of five years hehad lost his entire family, like
everybody, and they alreadyknew that his mother and father
had been toxic as fuck.
So his weirdness was justaccepted out of pity.

(38:40):
I mean, people were trusting Edwith their children, for God's
sakes.
And this is still happening.
Still Still happening.
Yeah, an eight-year-old.
So I'm going to talk about someof the people that were missing.
Okay, an eight-year-old namedGeorgia Jean Weckler had
disappeared from her home afterbeing dropped off from school by
a neighbor on May 1st 1947.
After being dropped off fromschool by a neighbor on May 1st

(39:01):
1947.
A 14-year-old named EvelynGrace Hartley had gone missing
from La Crosse while babysittingon October 24th 1953.
November 1st 1952, a couple ofguys named Victor Harold Travis
and Raymond Burgess, and the carthat they were driving seemed
to disappear into thin air,never found, and they had been

(39:24):
hunting next to Ed's property.
And another man named JamesWalsh, who lived near Ed,
disappeared in June of 1954.
I see here at my parents' birthboth of them.
That's weird.
But yeah, so all of these,there's like disappearances
everywhere and these will neverbe linked to Ed.
But yeah, so all of these,there's like disappearances
everywhere and these will neverbe linked to ed, so yeah no,

(39:44):
yeah, but this is the house.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Come on in, right, he's stacking.
Fuck.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
That's a lot of fuckery, lindsay but I didn't do
those he didn't do those hedidn't.
I mean, it's never proven thathe did.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
It wasn't proven, shit was happening, though.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
So the couple I was talking about earlier their
names were Irene and Lester Hilland they owned a little store
and would have Ed over fordinner from time to time because
Ed helped them with chores andfarming and he was also friends
with their little boy, bob.
Well, he wasn't little, he waslike a teenager.
He had actually been to Ed'shouse and had reported to other

(40:28):
people in this town that Ed hadpreserved human heads in his
house.
Now Ed had just told him thatthey were shrunken heads from
the south seas, like he hadordered them through a catalog
or some shit, and ed seemed likesomeone who would have
something like that.
So again, no one thoughtanything of it.

(40:49):
Just another weird thing from aweird guy somebody come,
somebody come, get her that dudeis over there.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Not, no, no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
This ain't right.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
You don't have a house with some shit like this
in it.
Get away with it.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to rub your arm.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (41:09):
fixing a dump shit on me.
I need you to grab positiveenergy from the power of the
plant, because the rest.
I'm going to ride Elmo's wave.
Still, Elmo eek.
All right, we're going to havea brief funny break before we
get into the horror.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Yeah, but I'm running out of funny now.
I'm already out of it.
I'm out of it again.
I've switched lanes, Lindsay.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
I've switched into the world.
Now I would just advise youjust to let me travel through
this in a world has collectedshrunken heads.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
His parents are gone, his brother is gone and he is
completely fucking psycho.
Lindsay tells a story and Idon't fucking want to hear it.
But go ahead, lindsay, go ahead.
Story, and I don't fucking wantto hear it.
But go ahead, lindsay, go ahead.
Coming to you this fall Drinkabout something has the story

(42:09):
for you.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
I want you to crop that out and, like, use that as
an intro for everything.
That's funny.
You don't get that withoutpaying me Lindsay, pay this man
y'all Like and share, so we canget some ad deals, okay, okay,
so are you ready?
Go ahead, I'm going.
In late 1957, ed had set hissights on an older woman named

(42:36):
Bernice Worden.
Bernice owned the hardwarestore in town, and this place
was where you went to geteverything from guns to
antifreeze.
You didn't even buy fuckingchickens there, I don't know.
Probably I could have, but thisis yeah, this is where you went
.
This store was an institutionthat had been in the area since

(42:56):
the 1800s.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
And we're in 1957.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
You could probably order some hounds from that son
of a bitch, redfern girls well,ed, he had, uh, he had been kind
of hanging out there a fewtimes and he had even asked ola
oberniess if she wanted to godown and hit the the new skating
rink.
You know that was in a nearbytown.
Oh yeah, I mean these, they'reold.
Like don't go roller skating.

(43:22):
No, I'm just kidding.
I kind of I still want toroller skate, are they in their
like 40s or 50s.
How old are they now?
Ed is now 51 and Bernice is 58.
Let's go roller skating.
No, these are simple town folk,man.
That was probably like how.
When did roller skating evencome to be?
Look it up, I'm going to do it.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I would say like the 50s.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Holy shit.
So the first roller skatingrink in the United States opened
in 1866 in Newport, rhodeIsland.
Wow, so it was probably popularin their area.
I need to brush up on morehistory.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yeah, I wouldn't have thought it would have been.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
No, this was almost 100 years later.
Dang yeah, whoa, whoa, yeah,we're in 1957 now 100 years
before that it was.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
I did not know that.
That's mind fucking blowing.
Yeah, if you thought that hitus up too, because I thought the
50s, you know, or maybe 40s,but like they were, you know,
remember it was popular with thedrive-in theaters and thing
right and drive in everythingyou know.
The rest, uh, the, the sonictype places or whatever you know

(44:29):
, oh yeah, park your car and thechicks would come up for the
roller skates.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
I know I'm really sad .
I mean, I've come to to knowabout myself.
I used to think that I was bornin the wrong era, but now that
I'm older I'm like no, I wasborn exactly what I need to be.
I love the time that I was born, but it would have been cool
for drive in movies to be morepopular and for the roller

(44:51):
skating to your car with yourfood type shit.
Yeah, popular, because evenwhen they rebooted Sonic, they
tried that for a minute the.
The roller skating thing onlyhappened for like the first
couple of months.
They were open and our sonic isso, oh, insurance got that shit
, though they were like.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
These chicks don't even know how to do this.
It's not any fun.
Yeah, it's not fun?

Speaker 2 (45:12):
no, it is not.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
It's actually a pain in the ass to get food from, and
I don't even like it andeverything's greasy.
Like a boomer They've strippedall the Americana out of the
nostalgia of the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Well, yeah, I mean it wasn't just.
I mean that was happening allover the world.
It still is, but you know, yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah, some of that stuff, just you need to.
The other one that I justthought about, oh, an app that
plays, like, uh, broadway showsand stuff on your tv, right?

(45:47):
they probably already have that,we just probably haven't
discovered it yet because wewere on tubi right and he was
like what about not to be, notto be, and you just play like
independent and broadway showsare even smaller local shows
like Gainesville's Hippodrome,stuff.
Yeah, that would be cool.
I'm hacking on your story here.
You got some shit to drop I do.
All right, you just gave me thelowdown on the skinny.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
So hunting season was set to start on November 16th
in 1957.
And on the 15th the store wasquite busy.
Everyone was getting theirsupplies and things like that.
Well, old Eddie, he was in thestore that night and he said he
was going to return the next daywith a jar or a jug or
something like that, so MrsWorden could fill it with

(46:32):
antifreeze for him.
Her son, frank, was also in thestore and Ed was like hey,
frank, you going huntingtomorrow.
And Frank was indeed going togo hunting.
So he knew Miss Warden would bethere by herself.
Oh, so the next morning Ed wasthe only person in the store
because everyone was out huntingand he purchased his antifreeze

(46:55):
.
But before he left he askedMiss Warden if he could take a
look at the guns and she waslike sure, go ahead, because why
wouldn't she?
So he was looking at a .22caliber rifle.
Just so happened that he hadbullets for this gun in his
shirt pocket.

(47:16):
He loaded his gun and as MissWorden was looking out the
window, he shot her in the backof the head and took her to his
house.
Fuck, he had also taken thecash register, like the whole
cash register, and made thestore look like it had been
robbed.
Now he also did this.

(47:36):
I forgot to put it in the notesat Hogan's Tavern.
He just like slightly ransackedit to make it look like it had
been robbed.
Now he also did this.
I forgot to put it in the notesat Hogan's Tavern.
He just like slightly ransackedit to make it look like a small
time robbery.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Right where he could get away with it.
Get the heat off from him.
Smart, I guess.
Fucking horrific Shit.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
So no one heard the gunshot, not even the people
that owned the Phillips gasstation across the street.
Right, if it's a 22 rifle, it'snot that loud.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
really, I didn't know hey I don't, you know, I don't
know shit about guys.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah, small, small caliber, fuck that, that sucks
well, later that day, frank, herson, he comes back and he talks
to the owner of the gas stationwho told frank that he had seen
the warden's work truck Try andsay that really fast Warden's
work truck.
He had seen that truck leavearound 930 that morning Like

(48:24):
they had their own little youknow, it was probably like a
little Chevy painted up wardens.
It drove off.
So Frank was like what the fuck?
She never said she was going toclose early.
So he goes into the store.
He sees that had been ransacked, like I said, she was going to
close early.
So he goes into the store.
He sees that had been ransacked, like I said, just a little and

(48:45):
the cash register was gone.
And then he sees a trail ofblood from behind the counter to
the back door and heimmediately calls Sheriff Art.
I think.
I think the way to pronounce itis Schley, schley is Schlee,
schlee, art, schlee.
So while he was waiting for thesheriff to arrive, he seized
the receipt for antifreeze forEd Gein, and that was the last

(49:11):
purchase.
So he knew Ed had been hangingaround a lot lately.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Yeah, right around that time.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
So Art Schlee he was a new sheriff in town, by the
way, I don't know if he was newin town, but he was new to the
force and so he brought alongthe chief deputy, arnie Fritz.
Well, frank tells them that youknow, ed was the last person in
here.
There's a receipt showing it.
So we gotta go talk to Ed.
And they were skeptical, though, because they're like Ed Really

(49:41):
, because this guy, he was verylike.
I said, like most people justfelt sorry for him because he
was very quiet, he worked hard.
He worked harder than I mean,like anybody could depend on him
.
He was babysitting people'skids.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Right.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
You know what I mean, but they go up to the farm
anyway.
But Ed kids, right, you knowwhat I mean, but they go up to
the farm anyway, but ed's, he'snot there.
Ed was at irene and lester'shouse enjoying a nice supper of
fried pork, chops, boiledpotatoes, macaroni and pickles.
No, because I was.
We ate pickles with everything.
Yeah, that must be a farm thing, onions with everything.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
oh yeah, we had onions, we, we had onions, we
had pickles, we had cornbread.
That's it.
And then beans, and beans.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Beans and some type of meat.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Yeah, yeah, a little bit of pork.
Throw something up in there.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Pork or chicken Sometimes beef.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
We still had some of that Appalachian German shit's
too in our food, the kraut andall that stuff.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Oh yeah, we love that shit.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
I love me some kraut.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
We need some kraut soon.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yeah, I can make some tonight with some sausages.
Oh, we're doing fish and shrimp, never mind, yeah.
So there was already acommotion in town once you know
the police arrive and they seethat Ms Warden's missing and Bob
Hill, he wanted to know whatwas going on, so he asked Ed to

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drive him.
Well, while Ed was waiting forBob in his car, the sheriff
pulls up and asks Ed just togive a little rundown of what he
had been doing that day, andthen they asked him to repeat it
.
Well, the second version wasjust a little different from the
first, and this was a tacticthat they would use to repeat it
.
Well, the second version wasjust a little different from the
first, and this was a tacticthat they would use to see if
somebody was being truthful, andif it was different, they would

(51:25):
automatically like suspish.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Red flag, red flag, yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
And they said uh, ed, that second time was just a
little different.
And then Ed immediately said uh, somebody framed me Now you're
guilty, like just out of nowhere.
Admission of guilt.
Yeah, and they were like framedfor, framed you for what, eddie
, we're just?

Speaker 1 (51:47):
chatting here bud.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
And he replied while saying well, miss Warden, she's
dead, ain't she?
Oh?

Speaker 1 (51:53):
now.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Miss Warden's death had definitely not been
confirmed.
She was just missing at thispoint.
And they were like Eddie, howdo you know that?
And he said well, I heard shewas missing and I assumed
someone was going to pin it onme.
They took him right to jail,Okay, You're fixing the layout.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
I am Fucking layout.
Ain't you, I am.
You're fixing the fuckinglayout.
The fucking layout.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Ain't you, Ain't you, I am you're fixing to fucking
lay out the fucking layout,ain't you, ain't you?
Well, while eddie's in jailwaiting for questioning, I can't
even look at you right now, I'msorry.
Archley and another sheriff,they go to the farm and, like I
said before, there is noelectricity at this farm and it
is that night, so they find away in through the summer

(52:38):
kitchen with flashlights.
Now, a summer kitchen ishistorically significant.
It is a detached building usedfor cooking and preservation.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Right, something caught on fire while you're
cooking.
It'll burn the fucking house,right yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:50):
And I mean I had to look it up and I had heard of
these things, but I wanted toconfirm that that's what that
was.
Yeah, so, art, he backs intosomething, he turns around and
he shines his flashlight andthere is Bernie's warden's
decapitated body Ah, hangingupside down with a crossbar in

(53:13):
her ankles and ropes Like a deeror something.
Hold on, I'm getting there.
And her torso was dressed outlike a deer or something.
Hold on, I'm getting there.
And her torso was dressed outlike a deer.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Oh, why am I picturing this Lindsay?

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Lindsay Well, these guys, they immediately run
outside and vomit profusely.
Okay, I mean, they knew MaryWarden, bernice Warden.
Excuse me, mary Hogan, berniceWarden.
They knew Miss Warden, likethey.
I mean, they knew Mary Warden,bernice Warden.
Excuse me, mary Hogan, berniceWarden.
They knew Ms Warden, likereally, I mean, this is, and
they're, they're, they'relooking, I mean art bumped into
her, you know.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Right, oh, ooh.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Fuck, but they keep going.
They had to, and they startcataloging, long into the night,
of horrors that they wouldprobably never get out of their
head for the rest of their life.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Oh, who would?

Speaker 2 (54:10):
They go on to find this is going to be a long list.
Okay, whole human bones andfragments.
A wastebasket made of humanskin.
Human skin used as a poultry onseveral chairs.
Skulls mounted on his bed asbedposts bowls that he ate his

(54:36):
fucking pork and beans out ofmade from skulls.
A corset made from a femaletorso from the shoulder to the
waist so that the boobies werestill intact.
It was made to be put on like avest.
Leggings made from human skin,nine face masks made from female

(55:04):
face skin, a tin can of chewedup Wrigley's gum I had to throw
that in there because it's goingto get worse.
Then they found Mary Hogan.
Her face skin was in a paperbag Fuck.
And her skull was in a box.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Oh my God, Lindsay, this is so fucking I got to
break it up.
Can I break it up for a?

Speaker 2 (55:30):
second yeah, because we got a lot more to go.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
I wonder if Goodbye Horses was playing in the
background.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Oh my God.
Well, I haven't even got tothat part yet.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
I was early on the Goodbye Horses.
Well, we'll bring that backlater.
Okay, I'm trying to break thisup because I'm fucking dying
here.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
So I'll point at you when you can just start singing
that shit okay.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Okay, start singing that shit, okay.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Okay.
So they found four noses, alampshade made from skin of a
face, a drum, a can of yelloweddentures, bracelets made of
organs, a collection offingernail clippings, nine

(56:21):
vulvas in a shoe box One hadbeen painted silver and the
other and another one had beensalted A young girl's dress and
the vulvas of two teenage girls.
Well, what they suspected to be, two teenage girls, um, and
this one's pretty famous A beltmade entirely of nipples,

(56:45):
entirely A fucking nipple belt.
Nipple.
You didn't know about thenipple belt, I didn't know about
the nipple belt.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
No, oh, this is the house.
Come on in oh.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
A pair of lips on a window, on a window shade
drawing.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
You can grab them and yeah, oh.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Then they found the rest of Bernice Between two old
mattresses in the summer kitchen.
Her head was inside of a burlapsack and her heart was in a
plastic bag in front of thepotbelly stove, and her heart
was in a plastic bag in front ofthe potbelly stove.
Rip to these sheriff's dreamsand mental health Like, oh my

(57:31):
God.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
I'd have been like I'm fucking quitting, I'm done.
I'm not checking this out, dude, I'm done.
Somebody else better do thisshit.
This took them like six hoursand this was all in the dark,
all in the dark, all in the darkwith flashlights and
flashlights and kerosene lamps,but then to find it in the dark
in this fucking creepy oldfarmhouse well, this was somehow

(57:54):
even more horrifying to them.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
They entered the bordered up rooms that his
mother had used and they were insuch pristine condition where
the rest of the house was thatof nightmares.
Like Ed was a hoarder, he wasnasty, I mean, not only were
there literal women's, bodyparts everywhere, but there was

(58:19):
trash and rot and he didn't takecare of himself.
He didn't, I?
I mean just everything wasnasty.
Everything was nasty thewindows, like there could.
There wasn't even moonlightshining in the house because the
windows were so grimy and thenthey walk into these rooms that
were like the epitome of everyfucking horror movie that we've

(58:40):
seen.
No, I'm saying well, I mean her, but her rooms that he had
bordered up like it was like herbedroom and a parlor and
another room Perfect Because shewas really clean.
That was one thing that goesthrough Dude.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
this is so fucking horrific.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
It's like garbage and carnage and fucking rot.
And this is yeah, this is likewell, this is what's unsettling,
because you watch horror moviesand you tell yourself, oh, this
isn't real.
But guess what it's like?
Five movies five that I know ofare based off this very real
story.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Anybody do the house that's all fucked up with the
corpses and shit everywhere,with the nice pristine rooms,
and be like why is that there?
Have you seen that, though Idon't remember.
Do you remember seeing that Allthe clutter and carnage and
shit?
I'm going to there like haveyou seen that, though I don't
remember.
Do you remember seeing that,all the clutter and carnage and
shit, and then I'm openinganother drink before we finish
okay, I mean I need three, butlike, so they need to do that.
I don't remember seeing that inany horror movie where you just

(59:35):
you're walking through the wholethe house of horror.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
No, but that would be a good, you'd be like what yeah
, yeah, what, just like I meanof there was like a layer of
dust.
It had been over a decade sinceshe died.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
While we're breaking real quick.
I just got introduced, inductedinto a thing for iconic, a film
guild thing.
This dude just put me in itbecause one of our songs was in
a movie and he put me down aslike a contact for songs.
Oh, hell yeah some of the bandsthat, uh, we've been playing

(01:00:06):
and and sharing on here theremight there might be an
opportunity to get your band ina movie.
Yeah, I got a whole bio send meyour scariest songs.
That would be great in a horrormovie yeah, I'll send you my
link, because now I'm part oflike a contact for getting songs
and movies.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
You're a first guy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Yeah, it just happened, Holy shit.
Thank you, Chris.
I was in one of his moviesIndependent Film but now I'm a
contact throughout Hollywood.
It's that big, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
That's really fucking cool.
What the fuck?
I didn't mean to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
I just wanted my band to be part of us and he's like
dude, you got all these coolbands that you're sharing.
We already hit these bands upand put them in movies because
metal is great for horror movies.
Fuck yeah, I mean, just I mean,it's perfect, yeah independent
metal is like one of ourfavorite artists has literally
made songs from horror movies.
Ice nine kills.
I mean they don't need noplug-in, but god damn, we love
them so much like.
But if we can grab a tragic ordefy the time and put them in a
movie.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
I'm just saying that band made songs about horror
movies.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
But metal songs are great to put in horror movies
the best movies have metal musicin them, Like our DNA right and
then Rob Zombie.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
I mean so many fucking cool ass movies, have
some badass music in it, andthen we've got to talk about Rob
Zombie movies.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
I mean, so many fucking cool ass movies have
some badass music in it, andthen we've got to talk about Rob
Zombie movies.
I mean, he literally made amovie based off of this guy that
I'm talking about right here.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Yeah, yes, he did All right, get back at it.
I'm not trying to talk aboutmyself here, shit.
I'm going to the plant, though,because I'm picturing too much
right now.
I'm putting it in a horrormovie theme, though, because
that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Well, I have kicked off spooky season.
We'll just put it that way.
So, after like six hours ofgoing through this real life
house of horrors and I need toremind you this was 1957.
And what do we talk about?
All the time there were no goodold days, motherfuckers,
because this was happeningduring a decade that is

(01:02:04):
literally labeled as, like youknow, leave it to beaver type
shit.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Right, and this is the route for the change of
horror movies.
I mean, you got out ofNosferatu and shit like that.
The change into slasher horrorreally gory shit happened right
after this.
It really did.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Well the sheriffs.
They go to the nearby town ofWatoma where Ed was being held.
They had been hopeful that hewould just confess to everything
, but instead he had just beenreally silent.
I mean, this is a very sick man.
I mean I do not.
I need to make this very clear.
I do not sympathize with thisman's crimes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Never.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
But I definitely sympathize with the way he was
brought up.
I mean, that's it, it was just,it's hard and you know, I mean
a lot of people grow up likethis and turn out just fine.
I do know that.
But this, I don't know why, butthis really saddened me as well
as horrified me all at the sametime.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Every bit of this yeah, but I almost feel like
there was no way out for himother than be into this crazy
psychosis of humanity right andthen his way of coping with it
fuck, it was this well and and Imean in absolute honesty, I, I

(01:03:30):
don't, I don't blame this manfor coming in.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Sheriff shalee, like he was so traumatized that he
just walked in there and startedbeating the shit out of ed,
like after six hours.
How do you get it out?
Yeah, he just started beatingthe shit out of Ed, like after
six hours.
How do you get it?
out yeah he just started beatingthe shit until they pulled him
off of him and unfortunatelythis made Ed shut down like even
more, because he is a very sickman.

(01:03:53):
Yeah, and I've struggled typingthis shit out, so I can just
understand how Art, how SheriffSchlee, felt.
So this shit out, so I can justunderstand how art, how, you
know, sheriff schlie felt.
So, uh, I I can't even begin toimagine what it would have been
like to be the person or be theteam of people that went

(01:04:15):
through this house anddiscovered in darkness, no power
, the stain small town.
Never, never, I mean, they'vedealt with some shit.
They had disappearances in thistown.
They've dealt with blood andand farming accidents and shit
like that.
But this is a whole differentlevel.
So after about 30 hours edfinally started talking.

(01:04:39):
He admitted to killing bernicewarden, but he did say that he
didn't remember all of thedetails and for most of the
ordeal he was in a disassociatedstate.
And the same with Mary HoganNow with all these body parts.
They of course assumed thatthese were all murder victims,

(01:04:59):
but they were not.
Ed explained that he had beengrave robbing for quite some
time and the body parts were ofthose who had already been
deceased.
He said he would getuncontrollable urges to dig up
these bodies and mostly do so ina disassociative state.
But there were times when hewould just snap out of it and he

(01:05:22):
would rebury what he had dug upin what he would call apple pie
order oh, what the fuck is sothat it was an old-timey uh term
for you know.
He put it back the way it wassupposed to be oh, like he had
even you're living in it, it'syour house, but he but there
were times that he literallytook bodies back and put them

(01:05:45):
back in, and put them back inreorganize reorganize it.
Yeah, so Very, very sick man.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Very sick man yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
This story went global and necrophilia was
mentioned and cannibalism wasmentioned.
Because people OK, so it was.
You know, it was discoveredthat Mary Warden's heart was
right by the stove, so thatautomatically, people started
saying, oh, he was going to cookher heart, but it's going to be
confirmed that he didn't dothese things.

(01:06:14):
Okay, people could not, theycouldn't wrap their mind around
this.
What was the motive?
Truth is, there really wasn'tone.
This is just a very sick manwho had been subjected to severe
abuse and so much isolation andhad adored his mother so much
that, well, he wanted to becomeher and when he would put on

(01:06:38):
that skin suit, he would be her,and he would admit to putting
that skin suit on when there wasa full moon and dancing around
his farm goodbye, horses flying.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
But he wouldn't say I would fuck me, because no, he
would be a harlot yeah, and hedefinitely yeah but with all the
the vulvas and the vaginaslaying everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
So I'm gonna talk about.
He was a harlot, but he wouldalso even though he really
wasn't singing goodbye horses,because that wouldn't come out
for a very long time, but he wasplaying the drum that he had
made.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
He was wearing A human skin drum.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Bing bing bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, Dancing in
the moonlight in his skin suit,with his wiener tucked, could
you imagine?
If somebody just happened uponthat, and that's what made me
think okay, listen.
Now I know these other peoplethat went missing were never
linked to him.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
I don't want to horrifically laugh right now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
But listen, those three guys that were lived near
him.
What if they came upon this?
This is just me speculating.
This is not true, this has notbeen, this has never been
discovered, but I'm speculating.
What if those three men becauseyou know, men weren't his MO
whatsoever?
What if those three men whojust happened upon him dancing

(01:08:03):
in the moonlight in a skin suit,everybody playing the drum?
Because these guys were neverfound?

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
yeah, ever found he probably just took them the fuck
out and then took them out likeof his play.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
He had 155 acre farm.
Yeah, there's plenty of playwith them.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
He just took them out , yeah but like that is never.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Those men that disappeared were never linked to
Ed.
That's just me speculating,speculating wildly, joan, count
us out, Fuck.
So Ed was polygraph tested tosee if he had indeed eaten any
of the body parts or performednecrophilia, and it showed that
he had not.
Now polygraphs are inaccurateand they are not admissible in

(01:08:46):
the court, but we're gonna hopethat this was true not that it
sheds any fucking moonlight onthe whole situation, but either
fucking way now he said thedissection of the deceased
bodies had been a thing ofinterest, because he had been
interested in going into themedical field, which this is

(01:09:07):
horrific.
But that makes me so sad becauseAugusta probably would have
never let that happen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Well, yeah, she fucking kept him under her wing.
First of all, I have four sons.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
I have four sons.
I don't want to isolate any ofthese kids.
Get the fuck out.
I love you, but get the fuckout.
You know what I mean.
I love you, but get the fuck.
I mean who wants to keep theirkids at home in their 30s and
40s.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
I want them to have dreams?
Yeah, all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Yes, if you want to be a doctor, by God, go for it,
yeah.
If you want to be a probasketball player?
Now I do get it.

(01:09:53):
He was.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
He is badass at basketball oh yeah, but all we
asked of him?
No, well, we asked him.
We told him college first.
I'm like you, can't.
We told him.
I said son, you've got you'vegot.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
I mean he was a d average kid.
We love him so much and hetried so hard.
Yeah, we all everybody in thishouse we all have learning
disabilities, um, in differentareas.
Like I was a straight A student, but when my ADHD got really,
uh, really bad when I was inabout I want to say, middle
school, early high school, Imean it went downhill from there

(01:10:21):
for me and it was really hardfor me and I ended up dropping
out and getting my GED.
But I passed my GED with flyingcolors, except for the math
part.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
We just had to try it , Like you and I just had to try
a little harder.
We did our things.
You know we have things, but wedid our things, we tried hard.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
But it was still an absolute struggle and I just
remember certain subjects, somecertain subjects I just breeze
through, but other subjects,like it was like and I see that
in Silas now, when I try to gethim to do math like it's, it's
like a shutdown and it's yeah,it sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Yeah, but we, we were giving him a structure.
You know, in Dalton's sake.
We were like you still have tograduate high school and go to
college.
They're not going to get youout of school right now and make
you a professional basketballplayer.
And then we're like yourphysical things are holding you
back too.
He's flat footed.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
He's flat footed.
He's a short white boy, yeah,but he is amazing at basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
He is amazing at basketball.
I mean, it could have happened.
It could have happened, but hehad to set himself up for all
those to meet his goal and wesupported all that.
We just told him the real shit.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Yeah, we were just trying to be real for him that
it may not happen.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
But if you do all this, it could happen.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Yeah Well, ed.
He also said that he never hadany relations with the bodies
because the smell was toopungent.
The polygraph proved also thathe could not be linked to any of
the other mysteriousdisappearances in the area, even
though the vulvas of youngwomen were found and clothing

(01:11:58):
and shoes belonging to otherpossible males were found in his
home Right, but they weren'tlike from graves type clothing
Didn't look like right.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Yeah, there's still some mystery here, the forensics
back then too.
You know Right, there's a wholedifferent fucking aspect.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Well, and after they took pictures of everything in
the home, they went ahead anddisposed of it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
I'm going to burn the fucking house down?
Yeah Well, we'll get there,yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
So, ed, after the press had been begging and
begging and begging, ed wasallowed to go through his house
with reporters to give a room byroom tale of all of his
horrific acts.
So before going to trial, edhad been officially diagnosed

(01:12:50):
with schizophrenia and he wassentenced to life in a
psychiatric institution.
He was first sent to CentralState Hospital for the
Criminally Insane, which is nowthe Dodge.
It's either Dodge or Doge, I'mgoing to go with Dodge.
Dodge Correctional Institution.
And he was later sent to Mendmendota that sounds familiar
mendota state hospital.
Yeah, I typed it out, but Idon't.

(01:13:10):
I'm like did I type that right?
So we're gonna say mendotastate hospital?
He died of lung cancer on july26 1984 at the age of 77.
Jesse, we were two years oldwhen I gained died.
I was two years old when EdGein died I was two years old,
you were three.
Isn't that wild?
I like I don't know what it isin my mind that, like, I

(01:13:30):
associate Our livelihood, ourlivelihood, serial killers.
Because it's wild to me, becauseyou live in a small world, you
live in your own little world ofyour family.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
This actually happened while you were alive,
jesse, but this happened likewhy?

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
you know, because we grew up to believe that
everything was wonderful beforewe were born.
We, I mean, and it was not, andI'm like I want to, and you
know, like my parents would justabsolutely remember the mats
and execution.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
That was a big thing while we were alive.
I mean, uh, ted bundy fuckingJeffrey Dahmer.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
We're going to do that for our 100th episode.
Ted Bundy is going to be a bigdeal because it hits real close
to home around here.
I don't know if I'm all right,I mean, but we got 50 more
episodes to go.
Yeah, before I cover him.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
We hope you guys really have been enjoying our
podcast.
By the way, we were.
We were just talking about thatand you know just the time and
effort that we're putting intoall this and just sharing the
content.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
I'm getting good feedback from people that are
listening.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
At times I don't enjoy it.
I've got to be fucking honestwith you, fucking Lindsay, over
here.
I've got to be fucking honestthere, bud, but still, at the
same time, I'm enjoying beingable to put this out.
Have the opportunity for me andyou to, because I mean other
than what's on the mic thatyou're hearing.
You know, lindsay and I, reallythis is a good connection for
us in our relationship too.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
So it's it's it's a good thing that we're sharing
these horrific things, becausewe do believe somebody is going
to take something from this andit's going to save their life
one day is going to takesomething from this and it's
going to save their life one dayand I hope so, because
listening me being a podcastlistener has opened my eyes and
it has also made me more awareof my surroundings and it hasn't

(01:15:13):
made me paranoid by any means,but it's just made me more aware
of surroundings, because that'skind of a main staple really
behind everything that we'redoing here.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
You know, if there's something that happens and get
yourself out of some kind ofsituation that we're talking
about, one person out of this,I'll do this shit for the rest
of my life, right if it says oneperson you know.
So that's a positive that I canhang on to and I can take it.
Lindsey, I can take it for thatpoint.
Now I might walk away and crylike I did the last time because

(01:15:43):
you broke me really bad.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Well, there's some coming up.
We'll see what you say then,but we're going to, we're going
to, we're going to have a few.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
I'll take it on the chin for it, though, take it on
the chin, ok, well, all right.
So I'm here for you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
The Gein Farm was going to be auctioned off in
1958.
That's just one year after thishappened, right, and rumors
were spreading that it wouldbecome a tourist attraction.
But it just so happened thatthe Gein house burnt to the
ground right before the auction,and since the fire chief was

(01:16:19):
Frank Worden, bernice Worden'sson, it wasn't considered a
matter of urgency yeah, leavethat motherfucker there, let
that bitch burn let her burn.
Well, over the years, peoplewanting to collect souvenirs
from the butcher of plainfieldthat's what he would be
nicknamed uh, they have chippedaway pieces of his gravestone
and I will be putting thepicture of that in our stories,

(01:16:41):
where you can literally seepieces of his gravestone chipped
.
Yeah, that iconic, they're gonnaget something and in 1959, the
fictional novel based on ed geincalled psycho was published,
and then alfred hitchcock made afilm about it, which was remade

(01:17:01):
in 1998, and that, of course,of course, the character based
off of Ed was Norman Bates.
And then you have Leatherfacefrom Chainsaw Massacre, buffalo
Bill from Silence of the Lambs,and this one I did not know
about.
Also, garland Green from ConAir was inspired by Ed.

(01:17:22):
Really, that's my favoritecharacter in that movie, because
it's Steve Buscemi, you don'tremember?
Oh my God, do we have torewatch?
Con Air was inspired by Ed.
Really, that's my favoritecharacter in that movie, because
it's Steve Buscemi, you don'tremember?
Oh my God, do we have torewatch Con Air?
We have to rewatch.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
Con.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Air.
His face has a whole blank.
You guys, we have to rewatchCon Air.
I've watched Con Air anunhealthy amount of times
Because I used to be.
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
I'll give it, I'll give it Teenage Lindsay.
But that was 20 years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
You know, teenage Lindsay had this weird obsession
with Nicolas Cage Very weird.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
OK, we can do it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
It started with Face Off and I literally watched
everything that that man put out.
And then you know where theobsession ended.
The National Treasury, one,what's that called National
Treasury, national Treasury?

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
one.
What's that called NationalTreasure, national Treasure.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Those bored the fuck out of me, not me.
My Obsession with Nicolas Cageended with those films.
Fuck, really.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
I enjoyed that, but then I'm still in the treasury
he just came out with.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Renfield.
Me and Jesse re-watchedRenfield twice in one day.
We fucking loved Renfield.
You're back.
Jesse rewatched Renfield twicein one day.
We fucking loved Renfield.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
You're back, You're back bud, you're back.
Yeah, no, I love it all, but Ican't really recall all the
little parts and pieces, Lindsay.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Okay, so Garland, we haven't watched it together.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Yes, we have.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
We have.
We've watched it together twice, are you sure?
I swear to God, maybe that'sthe two times that I've seen it.
I was obsessed with that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Enablerated or regular breed?

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
I don't know Well, it was in the early years of our
relationship and Jesse has aterrible memory, but OK.
So Garland Green was played bySteve Buscemi and he was the
character who was chained and inshackles and had the whole
Hannibal Lecter face thing.
Yeah, he was the really bad guyin that one and that's Buscemi,

(01:19:02):
that's Buscemi.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Oh, crazy Eyes, Crazy Eyes, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
So the song Skinned by Blind Melon was about Ed Gein
.
Wow, and also Nothing to Geinby oh my God, mudvayne.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Oh, yes, yes yes, yes , yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
And then Tech Nine also mentions him in the
collaboration that he does withFalling in Reverse in the song
Ronald, which also features myboy, alex the Terrible.
And now the whole reason whyI've covered this this week On
October 3rd, just a few daysfrom now, charlie Hewnan will
portray Ed in the third seasonof Monster, the Ed Gein story.
Wow, so I had to go, I had tocover it.
It's a circle, it's a circle,it's a circle, and I am really

(01:19:53):
excited because they did areally good job with Dahmer, to
the point where it was hard forme to watch that shit.
Oh yeah, and we haven't evencovered Dahmer yet.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
We actually stopped.
I stopped I stopped too.
Yeah, I stopped.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
So, yeah, you guys listen to this and then read the
book Deviant by HaroldSchechter.
He also wrote the book that Ilistened to about Belle Gunness,
which was called Hell'sPrincess.
Please listen to that book,okay.
So listen to us, listen or read.

(01:20:26):
Listen to or read the bookDeviant and then watch Monster
the Ed Gein story with CharlieHewnan man.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
There's a lot of the shit that we didn't cover just
in this story.
No, there's a lot.
No, there's so much.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
There's so much and there's a lot more backstory.
There's a lot more forwardstory, like in harold schecter's
book.
Three hours more after his last, after he was found, after he
was found out, everything was.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
There's three more hours of story shit, so yeah,
you can get all the way togilligan's island in that
fucking story a three-hour tour.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
But that, ladies and gentlemen, was our 50th episode,
the coverage of Ed Gein.
And oh my god, I can't believeI got through that.
That one was hard for me, Iain't even gonna lie you did the
damn thing and you held on likea champ.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
I'm so proud of you mostly you did it, lindsay,
thank you for dragging me along,and thank you guys for
following along, because we gotmore to go right.
Yes, you know what the coolthing about it is, though.
Whenever I do that little cheerthing for you, I get to play
music.
You do.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
That's what I'm here to do.
He's like okay, bitch, you'vegot your claps, Now it's my turn
.
What band are we plugging today?
I have a really cool band.
Oh, I'm excited.
All right, let me go ahead andget my phone out so I can search
them on the ground Really coolband here, Lindsay.
All right, I'm pulling upInstagram right now.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Yeah, so Morphide M-O-R-P-H-I-D-E Check it out
Everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
And what is the song that we're going to be listening
to?

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
They're from Latvia, europe, and this song is called
Mayhem Lindsay and you betterfucking hang on.
Okay, I'm excited, we'll beright back.

(01:23:26):
Guitar solo.
Thank you, there's no way ingood turn around Overriding All
my strong.
But now we understand thatwe're inside the end To shine my

(01:23:54):
soul, like the pieces of brokenglass Stuck in a dust,

(01:24:17):
reflecting in hearts and defiles.
Shine so bright, shine sobright.
We choose to suffer.
Yeah, yeah, wake up, we arealive.

(01:24:50):
We're down inside Down in aheresy Blending to death.
Thank you, we are the only oneswho we cling to the past and

(01:25:11):
this country's got a choice.
We're living in this day andage and we have a choice.

(01:25:34):
We're living.
Wake up, be alive.
It's the time to say Wake up,be alive, begin to fall down.

(01:25:57):
Nothing's over my way.
Stand aside in silence.
All the money instead ofsilence.
Begin to fall got nothing.
All the money instead ofsilence, begin to fall.
Got nothing All the money.

(01:26:20):
Instead of silence, begin tofall.
God bless you all.
Son of God, well Lindsay.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
Fucking hell.
Well, lindsay, love them somuch.
Oh my God, follow this amazingband on Instagram so many, and
they have links to their Patreon, their music, their merch,
their live, their shows,everything right there, morphied
.
They have a new song out, alsocalled Denial.

(01:27:15):
Check that one out as well.
I loved you guys.
I'm going to be listening tomore of your shit, as I have
most of all of our bands that wehave featured on this podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
Yes, we love all the bands.
So if you like all the music,check out our little back porch
party that we just put out.
All the bands are on there forthe first 50.
Well, except for this one, butstill, you can check out all
these bands we're going to thisone will kick off our second
season supporting yeah, so we'regonna um.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
This one will kick off our second season supporting
, yeah, so we're gonna keepsupporting bands, we're gonna
keep sharing.
We've traversed the globe nowand, yeah, hands and music and
it's been.
It's been an amazing year-longjourney with finding new.
Yeah, uh, talent that wehaven't heard of so many well,
some of them we have, some ofthem we know and we have
listened to a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
Yeah, yeah, and I've played with and I say we
sometimes, because if you'reworking to merge, you're part of
the band, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Well, I'm going to say 40 out of 50 bands that we
have featured we have neverheard before.
Yeah, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
It's awesome to be able to share that, and that's
our palate cleanser behind allof that, right, we?

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
get behind all of that right that we get to share
music.
And you know talent and youknow what I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
I'm still, I'm down to do comedians, I'm down to do
anything.
Poetry we'll share your art.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
You know, absolutely, we love it all.
Yeah, we love it all, love it,love it.
And if you have a play like acommunity theater play that you
want us to come attend, we'redown.
We love that shit.
We need to do more of that also.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
Oh yeah, you can tell a little backstory about your
play real quick and a narrativebehind it or whatever Summarize
whatever you got going on.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
Come join our podcast Because we love us some theater
we love the theater.
I made Silas watch Hamiltonyesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
When I came in, yeah, he was watching it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Yeah, I had to get on to him, of course, when I came
home, because, well, he had, hehad had a rough week but he had
had a really rough week and, um,I don't know, he's the fourth
kid baby he's the baby and, uh,I'm older and I wanted to
seclude him to his room for therest of the day, but I'm like
you know what, I let him sit inthere for an hour yeah and he
played piano and shit like that.

(01:29:21):
And then I was was like youknow what?
I want you to watch Hamilton,because not this?
I didn't want to make it as apunishment, I wanted to make it
as an assignment, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
History.
This is about AlexanderHamilton.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
And also, lin-manuel Miranda is a genius.
He wrote it.
He plays Hamilton Fucking hell.
It's great, it's great.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
You're on it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
You're on the Hamilton stuff right now, Well
fuck yeah, do you know, it tookme and I don't know why, but it
took me two really good watchesof Chicago to lock into my
absolute obsession with.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Chicago I'm not there yet.
I like the history.
I'm not there yet.
On Hamilton.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
But it was also that way with a couple other musicals
that I love.
But it was like I had to goback to it.
And I've been that way withHamilton.
The first time I watched it wewere kind of distracted.
We were dozing in and out, wewere just kind of having a lazy
day in bed that day.
And now I've watched it twomore times since.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
So we'll see how I am in a few months from now.
I'll probably be fan geekgirling like you over here.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
I'll be fan geek girling like you over here?
Yes, Well, and then I also, andthen I I want to do the skit
with you now.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
And then it'll be like not even cool anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Well, no, it's always going to be cool, yeah, but you
know the whole, the whole skityou've been talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:30:35):
It's on like social media and stuff.
You're like you you even saidit today You're like I'm willing
to do it.
I'm like this song won't getout of my head.
Okay, what is it?
How's it go?
Go ahead, do it.
You know you want to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Alexander, come back to sleep.
I have an early meeting out oftown.
It's still dark outside, I know.
I just need to write somethingdown, yeah.
That's in my song, that's in myhead, everybody that's what's
been going on in my house allthe fucking time.

(01:31:08):
And what's so cute islin-manuel miranda loves it.
He, I mean, how could you not?
You put this art out into theworld.
And now there's a whole hugetrend on tiktok of women
dressing up and and men aredoing the ladies?

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
Some of the dudes are playing, not some of them.
They're all doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Yeah, it's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
I will never see people popping out of shit,
laundry baskets and shit Justfucking going into the dryer.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
I will never scroll past a Hamilton tick tock.
I'm never, I could neverdisrespect that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
All that I'm going to watch it.
I guess that's you know.
A lot of people bounce back inin good ways because just like
I'll never skip a chicago,something as crazy as this shit
here, or go through some kind ofdrama or trauma or whatever,
they can bounce back.
If you got something you canbounce back from and be healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Hey, you know you do your thing well not too long ago
, there was a whole chicagotrend with oh yes, oh yes yeah,
I remember that one, they bothreached for the gun.
The gun for the gun.
I'm about to break out intodance right now.
So, with that being said, yes,we're going to go ahead and sign
off, because we got a wholeback porch party to do for our
50th episode.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
Yeah, yeah, and we're going to be grilling and
chilling.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Yeah, we're recording ahead of time the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
Yes, All the good stuff.
Thank you, lindsay, thank everysingle ear that our podcast has
made.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
Keep listening, share us, because we love you and we
hope you love us and we hopeyou're in yours.
And I mean, you know what?
If you don't think that youhave time to listen to a podcast
, you do Put your earphones in.
Clean your house, exercise, doyour laundry, go on a road trip
those are all fantastic.
Go on a walk.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
It's perfect.
It's perfect, yeah, and itmakes it go by so fast.
I know Our whole trip, asyou're hearing this.
Now we're in New England.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Literally.
We are literally in WashingtonDC.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
Yeah, we're just doing our thing.
I'm excited to keep cracking onhere.
Lindsay 50 and.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
I really want you to listen to the rest of Damien
Echols' book.
I want to do some honorablementions of the books that I've
listened to.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
That's what we're going to be cracking on this
trip.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
Damien Echols' life after death needs to be heard.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
We're going to have some cool shit to share with you
next, because we're literallystaying in an iconic house that
is just true crime.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
True crime, true crime, yay, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
Up and down.
We're going all the way up toMaine and back, so Eastern
Seaboard Wow, a lot of drivingBucket list.
So come with us.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
We'll do it all the time.
Check Ivan bucket list.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
So come with us all the time Check out all of our
stuff, socials everywhere, the,the website, just just just come
along with us and share us,because we want to build right.
That's what we want to do.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
Lindsay Samba, jesse Samba.
Uh, drink about something.
Pod underscore Lindsay on TikTOK.
We're drink about something onInstagram.
Drink about something that siteall your platforms, anywhere
you subscribe to listen to music.
Our podcast is there also.

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
And everybody has YouTube and all these bands
Everybody has it and YouTube inyour face.
It's Gen Z.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
We're even on Audible .
Yeah, we're on everything Everonline.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
So J-E-N-D-S-E-Y on YouTube, you got us Boom, that
easy.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
So we'll see you guys .
So much Thank you for thisjourney.
Thank you for coming along andwe'll see you next week.
Yes, bye.

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