EPISODE 52: Amityville: Murder, Myth, and a Marching Band

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SPEAKER_06 (00:00):
Hey Jesse.

SPEAKER_03 (00:02):
Hello, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_06 (00:03):
How's it going, Lindsay?
You doing okay, Lindsay?

SPEAKER_07 (00:11):
That was uh what?
Was that your um impression ofEd Geen from Char Char I always
want to say Charlie Murphy, butit's Ryan Murphy's monster.
Ryan Murphy! Ryan Murphy.
What the five fingers say to theface.
Roll that intro.

SPEAKER_05 (00:34):
Happy Friday.
I just wanted to say happyFriday to everybody.

SPEAKER_03 (00:43):
Great week.

SPEAKER_07 (00:48):
Stop.

SPEAKER_01 (00:55):
I'll stop those things.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04):
Seriously stop because that is the worst part
of the whole fucking series.
It's terrible.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10):
I think I'm gonna talk like that from now on,
dude.
Never for Ever Moa.
What?

SPEAKER_07 (01:17):
Well, um Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:18):
I think it'd be great.

SPEAKER_07 (01:19):
I don't know.
Well, I'm gonna start talkinglike Augusta.

SPEAKER_05 (01:23):
That's even hotter, dude.
Oh, we would have gotten marriedyears ago.
Augusta.
Harlan!

SPEAKER_06 (01:31):
She's a Harlan! Okay, Mom.
I'm sorry, Mama.

SPEAKER_07 (01:37):
Man, Lori Metcalf did that shit though.
Fuck.
I bet you know, all I canpicture is her on the phone
talking about her dad.
Dad's dead! He's dead! Yourbrother broke my heart.
That's not what he said.
No, what she said.
Oh.
Oh, that's not what she saideither in that in that episode.

(01:58):
She was calling her aunt, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:59):
Yeah, I mean later on.

SPEAKER_07 (02:01):
Trying to say that her dad's dead and her aunt
can't hear her.
I think it's her aunt.
And she's finally like, Dadsends his love.
Because she could not.
If you don't know what I'mtalking about, look up Lori
Metcalf from Roseanne.
Like it's the most popular AuntJackie, the most popular line of

(02:22):
the entire series, or the mostpopular scene.

SPEAKER_05 (02:26):
I think we really love Aunt Jackie.
We love Aunt Jackie, man.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (02:30):
She and Lori Metcalf has or Metcalf has played some
other iconic roles, small ones,but they're iconic.
Like she was in um one of myfavorite episodes of Dash Bear
Housewives.
Like, yeah.
She crazy.
She's crazy.
So what are you drinking today?

SPEAKER_05 (02:48):
I got a bourbon that I bought.
It was like single batch barrelbastard bourbon.
Oh, I forgot the name.

SPEAKER_07 (02:58):
That's what it was called.
Single batch barrel bastardbourbon.

SPEAKER_05 (03:01):
Single batch barrel bastard bourbon.
Gonna put some Milani peach inthat bitch.

SPEAKER_07 (03:07):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (03:08):
This is how we roll.

SPEAKER_07 (03:10):
Oh so we have we've been recording all afternoon.
We did recap of Lizzie Borden.
We did recap of our road trip.
We took a break.
We went to Chili's and got atriple dipper and some steak and
shrimp.
Man, the triple dipper.
The triple dipper.
With a Nashville hot cheesecake,cheesecakes, cheese sticks, the

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Southwest Egg rolls, andNashville hot tenders.
Whew!

SPEAKER_05 (03:38):
The steak was good, and the shrimp was good, and the
Long Island was good, and thisis good, and we're all doing
good.
What are you drinking overthere, Miss Lindsay?

SPEAKER_07 (03:45):
I've got a natural lime in my koozi right now, and
I've got raspberry for backup.
Vista Bay, of course.
Aldi.

SPEAKER_05 (03:53):
You know, when you say raspberry, I always say
raspberry parade, but it'sberet.
It's beret.
I know, but I say I say paradebecause it's like a parade of
raspberries.

SPEAKER_06 (04:04):
Raspberry parade, but it's berade.

SPEAKER_05 (04:07):
We were just talking about that because I what did I
say?

SPEAKER_06 (04:09):
I'm at the second hand store.

SPEAKER_05 (04:11):
I was opening up the studio on here to record.
And I was like, Stew, StewStudio.
She's and Lindsay's like, youknow it's Susu Studio, right?
I was like, well, duh, I watchedAmerican Psycho, but you know
how much, you know how much shitwe got wrong, dude, in songs?
We didn't have Google.

SPEAKER_07 (04:28):
We didn't have Goog.

SPEAKER_05 (04:29):
Does that make you feel old?

SPEAKER_07 (04:30):
Well, and we didn't have Spotify to give us the
lyrics either.
Like, that's the great thingabout Spotify.
You just swipe up, you got thelyrics, man.
Spotify.

SPEAKER_05 (04:40):
We didn't have it.
I'm glad we do now, though.
So what did make you feel old?
Because you normally ask me,it's your turn first.

SPEAKER_07 (04:46):
So this week, I really uh I have no complaints.
Nairn?
None.
Everyone.
No, like I got so we got backfrom our trip.
I, you know, we got busy on thelaundry.
I went to work on Sunday.
Nope, felt great.

(05:06):
Monday, what?

SPEAKER_05 (05:08):
No, I was just just thinking of what made me feel
old before you said that.

SPEAKER_07 (05:12):
But like I had a great week at work.
It was slow.
I didn't like that part.
Um, but I still made some money,and uh we got up every day this
week and went to the gym, exceptyesterday, because I wanted to
clean the house and dye my hair.

(05:33):
I got up early.
I was done with the housework bylike 11.
You told me that.
You're like, I'm kicking ass allthe time.

SPEAKER_05 (05:39):
Kicking all the ass.
Me, my week went by pretty fast.
I mean, I was just playingketchup.
It was a stack of paperwork.
You just kind of went there andshowed up.
You didn't have backlog shit todo.

SPEAKER_07 (05:53):
You know, I'm a server.

SPEAKER_05 (05:54):
Unless they had like backlog people waiting at the
table.

SPEAKER_07 (05:57):
Where's my god dang grits?
My my all my regulars are happyto see my face again.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (06:03):
So now I think um I wrote down something over there.

SPEAKER_07 (06:09):
You said that sneezing makes you tired.
And you have a thing and you do.
When you eat, you sneeze like 20times, and it feels like a
workout.

SPEAKER_05 (06:21):
Stupid.

SPEAKER_07 (06:21):
Jesse digests his food by sneezing.

SPEAKER_05 (06:24):
Swear to God, is that a thing?

SPEAKER_07 (06:26):
Sneezing like he's possessed by a demon.

SPEAKER_05 (06:29):
But I wasn't gonna I wasn't gonna say that, but I
wrote it down.
I was I was I think I'm actuallyexperiencing like our and maybe
it was all the white knuckledriving, you know, on our trip
and everything.
Yeah, you'll be all right in aweek or so.
And then I did all that uhtyping and logging and shit like
at work, like so much, justgoing.

(06:50):
Like, yeah, and then we had bandpractice and everything.

SPEAKER_07 (06:53):
Had to get back into the guitar playing.

SPEAKER_05 (06:55):
We got a show.

SPEAKER_07 (06:56):
I know we're gonna have to feature Shadow the
Earth.

SPEAKER_05 (07:00):
No, we'll have to record a new song before we do
that.

SPEAKER_07 (07:03):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (07:03):
I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_07 (07:04):
Well, you know, Nadira won't care if you play
her recorded.
The older stuff, the older.
I want to do that.

SPEAKER_05 (07:09):
I want to do a fresh new fresh.
Okay.
I mean, and then I'll just belike, you can also check out the
the legacy of our previoussinger.
So but we're playing withGalactic Empire.

SPEAKER_07 (07:18):
That's that's gonna be so fun.
Yeah, which this is a a StarWars band.

SPEAKER_05 (07:23):
Yeah, they're like Star Wars theme, and they dress
up and do the thing, dude.

SPEAKER_07 (07:28):
Yeah, I've been following them for a couple of
years now.
Holy shit.

SPEAKER_05 (07:32):
Yeah, I mean, I think the tickets are like$30 to
get in that bitch.
And that's a lot for a localshow, you guys.
So this is epic Gainesvilleshow, November 7.

SPEAKER_07 (07:40):
That's more than that's more than I paid to see
Ginger for the first time andSlaughter to Prevail for the
first time.

SPEAKER_05 (07:47):
Yeah, I can add up like the first four bands that I
seen, and and it still wouldn'tbe that that much.
But yeah, yeah, yeah.
So November 7th, anybody inGainesville, come check us out.
Or in the surrounding area.
At the Wooly.
At the Wooly.
Yes.
Scott Woolly.
We'll be opening up, of course,because you know, we're no
Galactic Empire, but we're gonnashadow the Galactic Empire.

SPEAKER_07 (08:10):
Scott Woolley.
That's a reference from um, Ithink it was the very, it was
the second to the last or thelast season of Will and Grace.
That's who Jeff Goldblum playsas Karen's uh love interest.

SPEAKER_05 (08:22):
I haven't played at this venue, so it's cool.

SPEAKER_07 (08:24):
I'm excited.
I think that's right.
Scott Woolley.
Yeah.
So, um, anyways, we're back.
We have done all the recaps.
We have unpacked, got back intoour routine from our trip, and
we have watched.
Well, we're almost we're we'rehalfway through the very last
episode of Ryan Murphy's monsterEd Geen story.

SPEAKER_05 (08:49):
Which is a montage that I'm seeing of shit that I'm
not supposed to know a whole lotabout.

SPEAKER_07 (08:53):
Yeah, I had to send him outside.
So we're also grilling for ourmeal prep for the week, and I
had to send him outside becausethis last episode features some
killers that I haven't talkedabout yet.
And uh he had to go.
I'm like, go because they're onmy list.
Get up.
And one of them, like, did shithere in Lake City.
Mm-hmm.
Well, you know about him.
But yeah, but fuck.

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So stay tuned for episode 100where we were.

SPEAKER_05 (09:16):
Lindsay, I found out where her grave is.
Kimberly's grave.
I know exactly where it is.

SPEAKER_07 (09:22):
Well, yeah, y'all keep listening.
I mean, we got lots of cases tocover, but uh the end of uh,
well, the the beginning ofseason three will be all about
the Ted Bun B.

SPEAKER_05 (09:34):
Yeah, but we do a hometown thing at least once
every season.
So we have a new hometown thingcoming up probably in a few
episodes.
So check out.

SPEAKER_07 (09:42):
But it won't be it won't be Ted.

SPEAKER_05 (09:44):
No, it won't be Ted.

SPEAKER_07 (09:44):
I'm not ready for Ted.
Ted bothers me.
I'm not gonna lie to you.
Like I am callous as fuck, butTed still bothers me, as you've
seen.

SPEAKER_05 (09:52):
I know things, but what I've just seen right there
is too graphic for me already.
So I don't know when he puddledon that deal.
I mean, I know what he did.

SPEAKER_07 (09:58):
Well, you and I watched like two or three uh
documentaries about him and onemovie.

SPEAKER_05 (10:03):
Yeah, but like the deep dive in all what you're
gonna find.

SPEAKER_07 (10:06):
You didn't watch the tapes that featured some of our
locals when they came out.
It was about 2020-ish, 2021.

SPEAKER_00 (10:15):
No.

SPEAKER_07 (10:15):
Okay.
Well then don't.

SPEAKER_05 (10:19):
If I did, I don't remember it, but I'm I'm sure I
didn't.
I'm sure I didn't.

SPEAKER_07 (10:23):
Yeah, I was talking to you about them because um a
person that we know was featuredon there.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (10:30):
So when we do that though, should I look up one of
the bands I used to play with?
Because I think their dad wasone of the prosecutors or
something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So this is Ronnie Round, right?
Okay.

SPEAKER_07 (10:42):
Ronnie Brown.

unknown (10:43):
Yes.

SPEAKER_05 (10:43):
And I even got a cool song called Helter Skelter
for later on, too, that we canput on something.

SPEAKER_07 (10:48):
Fuck yeah.
So many bands are coming in.

SPEAKER_05 (10:51):
That for sure.
For a case.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (10:54):
Um, which, yeah, I've got I've got shit lined up.

SPEAKER_05 (10:56):
I got shit lined up too.
For gears.
Hang on, wait a minute.
We got shit lined up.

SPEAKER_07 (10:59):
We got shit lined up.

SPEAKER_05 (11:01):
Clackety clack.

SPEAKER_07 (11:01):
Clackety clack.
Don't clap back.
High five.

SPEAKER_05 (11:04):
Yes.

SPEAKER_07 (11:05):
So I'm gonna change up my little spiel here because
we're in a new season.
So shit.
If you have not listened to usbefore, and this is your first
episode hearing LindsayStambaugh, Jesse Stambaugh, in
our little uh in our littlepodcast here, Drink About
Something, uh, what we do is wehave a couple of drinks, and I

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tell Jesse a crew trime, a crewtrime.
I've been drinking, uh, a truecrime story that he doesn't know
either anything about or verylittle about.
And uh, so his all his reactionsare completely organic.
And then at the end of theepisode, he features a band that
is up and coming that we do havepermission to play on this

(11:52):
podcast.
So, no suing is in the future.

SPEAKER_05 (11:58):
We get permission.
As far as we know, as far as weknow.
There's a couple of bands thathave made fame already.

SPEAKER_07 (12:03):
I know, but they're not gonna sue us because you got
permission.

SPEAKER_05 (12:06):
So broad up with them on the old uh interwebs.

SPEAKER_07 (12:09):
Yes.
Yes.
So we have uh we you go back toour backlog if this is your
first episode.
We have talked about umCorpsewood Manor.
We've talked about the McMartinPreschool, we have talked about
the West Memphis Three, theSalem Witch trials, and uh
things of that nature.
I will mention some more casesin future episodes that are in

(12:31):
our backlog, but go back.
Those are the beginnings.
Yeah, those are beginnings ofus.

SPEAKER_05 (12:35):
I think we started our season two off right.

SPEAKER_07 (12:38):
We did.

SPEAKER_05 (12:38):
Oh my god.
I timed that really good, didn'tI?
Did you?

SPEAKER_07 (12:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (12:43):
Fucker.
Yeah, so she puddles me.
She really does.
Like I get checked.

SPEAKER_07 (12:48):
I'm gonna let Jesse talk.
I gotta grab a refill.

SPEAKER_05 (12:50):
Oh, well, you're on the hot mic, Linz.
Linz, you're on the hot mic.
I know.
So we we also do videos andthings on YouTube and such, and
we break away and go pee andhang out and you know, play
catch with the dog, and we don'thave a dog, but still we do
things.
I'll be out there mowing thelawn while we're doing it and
shit, and just fucking doing apodcast.

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Lindsay likes to get up and peelike 19 times.
Listen, she's making it a newthing.
I'm good.

SPEAKER_07 (13:16):
I'm back, and I'm gonna crack open my Raspberry.

SPEAKER_05 (13:20):
Oh.
I'm not gonna sing the song nowbecause I was saying it wrong.

SPEAKER_06 (13:24):
Raspberry parade.

SPEAKER_05 (13:28):
I'm gonna let her destroy me.
She's got this fighting.
Are you ready?
I'm gonna let her today.

SPEAKER_07 (13:35):
We are talking about 112 Ocean Avenue in Amityville,
New York.

SPEAKER_05 (13:42):
So that does sound familiar to me.

SPEAKER_07 (13:44):
How does it not sound familiar to you?

SPEAKER_05 (13:46):
Okay, Amityville, okay, okay.
I'm looking at him very coarse.
When you said Amityville, thisshit started clacking up in my
old rattle brain up here.

unknown (13:55):
Okay.

SPEAKER_07 (13:56):
You know what I'm very upset about?

SPEAKER_05 (13:58):
Don't, don't, well, I don't know.
I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_07 (14:00):
That we didn't go the 112 Ocean Avenue and but
it's well, there's reasons, andyou're gonna talk about some of
those.
Yeah, but and also it's it'sbeen re-addressed, and I do want
to respect the uh the thecurrent owners because we're
gonna talk about what happenedthere and um other events.
Well, there's two it's twostories and one today.

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You get two and one.

SPEAKER_05 (14:23):
Things, things, and things.

SPEAKER_07 (14:24):
You get a twofer.

SPEAKER_05 (14:26):
Awesome.

SPEAKER_07 (14:27):
All right, so 112 Ocean Avenue in Amityville, New
York was a Dutch colonial homethat was built around okay, so
I've heard between 1925 and1927.
So we're gonna go with that inbetween those two years.
It is located in a canal or at acanal, had five bedrooms, four

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baths, a boat house, a heatedswimming pool, and was known for
its windows that look like uhit's looking down on you.
That's luxury with eyeballs.
I know.
Well, you remember whatAmityville house Amityville
House looked like, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, in 1974, this house wasoccupied by the DeFeo family.

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They had lived there around uhnine to between nine and ten
years, and there were sevenmembers of this family, okay?
Ronald Sr., who was 43, Louise,who was also 43, Jesse, they are
heir.
That just made me feel a littlebit.
I'd yawn on that one.

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Uh Ronald Jr., who was 23 andwent by Butch, and Don, who was
18, Allison was 13, Mark was 12,and John was nine.
Whole fam damn.
Whole fam family.
They were seemingly atight-knit, very devout Catholic

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family.
And uh Ron Sr.
worked for a car dealershipowned by Louise's father, and
Butch worked there as well.
Little family business.
As usual, behind closed doors,there were there were some
problems.
Butch, he had some issues withheroin.

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He regularly took LSD and had ananti-social personality
disorder.
He liked to fight and cause alot of problems.
He had a very tumultuousrelationship with his dad and
like had even tried to kill himpreviously.
Holy fuck.

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He partied hard and he liked tobring his friends back to the
house without permission, andthat caused a lot of problems as
well.
Like duh.

SPEAKER_05 (16:49):
Yeah.
I mean, all of shit.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_07 (16:52):
It was said that he was pretty creepy as well, and
he resembled Charles Manson.
And I did look up his picture,obviously, in my research, and
they are correct.
It's alleged that Ronald Sr.
was very overbearing as well asphysically and verbally abusive
to the family.
And when he was feeling guiltyabout it, he would go pray to a

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statue of St.
Joseph that was in his yard anduh ask for forgiveness.

SPEAKER_05 (17:21):
It made it all better.

SPEAKER_07 (17:23):
Made it all better.

unknown (17:25):
What the fuck?

SPEAKER_07 (17:27):
Well, so this I'm gonna kick you right in the ass
at the beginning.

SPEAKER_05 (17:30):
I'm already seeing this.
This is fucking horrible.
Like, there's all kind of issuesgoing on, dude.

SPEAKER_07 (17:36):
On the night of November 13th, 1974, around 6 30
p.m., Butch came running into alocal bar and uh he shouted, I
need help.
Um, I think my mother and fatherhave been shot.

SPEAKER_06 (17:57):
I think I need help.

SPEAKER_07 (18:02):
So a few of the patrons uh piled up in his car
or a car, I'm bel I'm I'massuming it's his, and they went
back to 112 Ocean Avenue, whichwas very close to the house,
like right around the corner,okay?
They went inside, they diddiscover that yes, Ronald Sr.
and Louise had been shot.

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One of Butch's friends, who wasnamed Joe Yeswit, made the call
to the Amityville PoliceDepartment.
When the police arrived, theysearched the rest of the house
and found that every singlemember of the DeFeo family had
been shot and killed, and theywere laying face down in their

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beds.

SPEAKER_05 (18:46):
Lynn Z.

SPEAKER_07 (18:47):
Every single member.

SPEAKER_05 (18:48):
Lynn Z.

SPEAKER_07 (18:52):
I'm not laughing at the situation.
I'm laughing at Jesse's face.
It's a whole fucking murderhouse now.
Well, you you didn't we'vewatched movies about this.
And but fuck.
I didn't remember this part, didI?
No, because there's not a movieabout this part.
There might be.

SPEAKER_05 (19:08):
I don't remember seeing the.

SPEAKER_07 (19:10):
There's a movie about the next part that I'm
gonna talk about, but we gottaget through this.
We gotta get through the DeFeofamily first.

SPEAKER_05 (19:17):
Okay, we're gonna hear just come on, fucking get
me.
Here I am.

SPEAKER_07 (19:22):
Now, Ronald Sr.
and Louise, they had both beenshot twice, each to the back of
the head, while all of the otherchildren had been killed with
one single shot each to the backof the head.
And this was done by a 35caliber Lear action Marlin 336

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rifle.
Am I saying that right?
Yeah, okay.
It was determined that they hadall been killed around 3 a.m.
The witching hour.
Remember that time?
Just saying, remember that.
And uh Butch told the policeright away that his father had

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mob ties and that he thought thekiller was most likely a mob
hitman by the name of LuisFellini.
Uh Louis Fellini, not Louise.
Louise is the mother, LouisFellini.
Now, quick side note that I didnot write down.
Um Louise DeFeo, her father, wasalso known to be part of a mob

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family as well.
So at first, this seemed kind oflegit.
Father, father.
Upon further questioning,though, the police started to
feel like Butch was full of shitand started to become more
suspicious of him.

unknown (20:49):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (20:51):
So they kept him overnight.
They found Louis Fellini and hehad an airtight alibi.
He had actually been out of thestate at the time of the
murders.
So Butch would end up confessingto his entire family's
annihilation later on the day ofthe 14th.

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He said um that he just pickedup the wife picked up the rifle
and went room to room and shotevery single member of his
family.

SPEAKER_05 (21:23):
Because of the way it was done, it did look like
from what you told me.
Right.
A little like somebody from thefamily, somebody close that they
knew.

SPEAKER_07 (21:31):
Right.
So let me get uh let me getthrough this part and then I'll
go to the little back the day,the prior days events.
So his exact quote was once Istarted, I just couldn't stop.
It went so fast.
That was his exact quote.
So then he had showered after hehad done this, and he picked up

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all the shell casings anddisposed of them, his
bloodstained clothes, and therifle in a nearby canal, and
then went to work as normal.

SPEAKER_05 (22:06):
Oh, he didn't even go to the bar then.

SPEAKER_07 (22:08):
No, this is 3 a.m.
He didn't go to the bar until 630 that evening.

SPEAKER_05 (22:12):
Right.

SPEAKER_07 (22:13):
It's 3 a.m.
I must be lonely.

SPEAKER_05 (22:15):
Oh, it's 2 a.m.
Sorry.

SPEAKER_07 (22:16):
Yeah, that's 2 a.m.

SPEAKER_05 (22:18):
I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_07 (22:18):
But um, so yeah, he goes to work where his father
should have been at work aswell.
Where his grand that hisgrandfather owned.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (22:29):
Fact.
Fact.
You already got me turnedsideways now already.

SPEAKER_07 (22:34):
So it's believed, but not proven, that the family
was drugged because why wouldn'tat least one family member wake
up when the sound of a riflegoing through the house is
being, you know, just bam, bam,bam.

SPEAKER_05 (22:49):
And that's a sure enough rifle.

SPEAKER_07 (22:52):
Now the autopsy showed that Louise and Allison
may have been awake when theywere shot, but it's still a very
great area.
They were still all face down,every one of them.
So Butch's defense lawyer's namewas William Weber, and his
defense was that Butch wasinsane and had no memory of

(23:14):
committing the murders, and thiswas supported by the defense
psychiatrist named DanielSchwartz.
But they also said that therewas a demonic presence in the
home that was telling Butch tocommit these murders.
But I thought he didn'tremember.

(23:34):
You know what I mean?
Like, how is how can he say Youcan't relay that and use that
because he's how can they saythat somebody is telling him to
commit these murders when hedoesn't remember doing them?
He's basically saying that hedid them in a disassociative
state, which you don't remember.
But a lot of them will do thatshit.
Oh, I know that amount of shit.
I know, but just remember that,okay?

(23:55):
Remember demonic possession.
Now, the prosecutionpsychiatrist, Dr.
Harold Zolan, said no.
He was very aware of hisactions.
And on uh November 21st, 1975,Butch was found guilty on six

(24:15):
counts of second-degree murder.
Six counts.
That's a lot.
When you sit here and you thinkabout that, six dead bodies,
that was a funeral that sixcaskets were present at the same
time.
That fucks that fuck with mymind a little bit, like sitting
here thinking about this.

(24:36):
And I just couldn't imagine.

SPEAKER_05 (24:39):
Horrific.
Yeah, horrific.

SPEAKER_07 (24:42):
I mean, I gotta take a drink on that one.
My mouth's right.

SPEAKER_05 (24:46):
Take a drink on that one because you need to take a
drink on that one.

SPEAKER_07 (24:49):
Ugh.

SPEAKER_05 (24:50):
Ah.

SPEAKER_07 (24:51):
Whole fam damnly, dude.
Now, Judge Thomas Stark saidthat Butch's actions were,
quote, the most heinous murderscommitted in Suffolk County
since its founding.

SPEAKER_03 (25:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (25:05):
The most.

SPEAKER_03 (25:06):
I get it.

SPEAKER_07 (25:08):
Ronald Butch DeFeo Jr.
was sentenced to 25 years tolife in Sullivan Correctional
Facility in Fallsburg, New York.
Upon appeals and laterinterviews, Butch would try and
blame his sister Dawn for thekillings.
And that he had killed her as ares a result of seeing what she

(25:30):
had done.

SPEAKER_05 (25:32):
He was the daddy issues.
I mean, right.

SPEAKER_07 (25:35):
Well, he talked awful about his family.
He said that his dad wasabusive, his mother was a lousy
cook, that Dawn was a triggerwarning, a fat bitch who
listened to insert racial slurhere music, and that his little
brothers were sloppy pigs.
It was said that he held a lotof animosity towards all of his

(25:58):
siblings because he felt likethey got away with everything.
But 25 to life, Lindsay.
That's it.
That's it.
Are you kidding me?
I mean, I'm I'm I'm gonna go.
He he he'll stay there.
You better stack some more shitup on that one.
Fuck.
Now he would say that it was Donand an unknown assailant, and
that he had accidentally killedher because they had fought over

(26:21):
the gun after he saw what shehad done.
Like that was another story.
He will have many, many stories.
You can look all of thesedifferent things that he set up.
Um, I just I'm limited on time,and I'm putting two stories into
one today because there werequite a few happenings at this
house, even after all thishappened.

(26:43):
Okay.
So his appeals would be denied,and he would die in prison on
March 12th, 2021, at the age of69.
So let's reflect real quick.
This man, he was 23 years old.
He says, he is first saying thatum basically that he just hated

(27:08):
his family.
Then uh then a demonic presencein the house talked to him and
told him to do these murders.
Then he will say, you know, thatDon committed them and then he
killed her.
Then he'll say that Don and anassailant did it.
Uh, I mean, there's just there,there, I mean, like I said,
there is so many.

(27:28):
He changes his story a lotthroughout the years to really
try and get him out.

SPEAKER_05 (27:32):
Anybody and whoever would listen, he was spilling
it.

SPEAKER_07 (27:36):
Right.
God.
Uh, but he does die in prison.
So obviously, nothing that hesaid got him out.
Now back to 112 Ocean Avenue in1975.
Butch DeFeo is now in prison,and it's been just a tiny bit
over a year since the murders,and the house is on the market.

(28:00):
So George and Kathy Lutz, theywere looking for a new home in
in the in the area, and theywanted to be near the water.

SPEAKER_05 (28:09):
I bet they found that shit sheet.

SPEAKER_07 (28:11):
Well, we'll we'll you'll see.
So George was the owner of aLong Island surveying company
and wanted to find something inthe area that was big enough for
the family of five that he isnow married into.
They had recently just gottenmarried in July of 75, and Kathy
had three kids from a previousmarriage.

(28:32):
So they're a total of five,okay.
Daniel was the oldest at nine,Christopher was seven, and
Melissa was five.
So we got Danny, Chris, andMissy.
So their budget for a new housewas between 30 and 50 grand.
Okay.
They looked at, I mean, many,many houses, like over 50.

(28:56):
Okay.
And uh their realtor was like,hey, I got this property on the
market.

SPEAKER_05 (29:03):
I got a deal for you.

SPEAKER_07 (29:05):
At 112 Ocean Avenue.

SPEAKER_05 (29:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (29:08):
And they loved it.
Because he wanted like he wantedsomething on the water.
He had uh George had boats, ithad a boathouse, it had a wet
bar, um, it had all the bedroomspace that they needed.
It had everything.
Checking off all the good ones.
And if you look up this house, Imean it's fucking gorgeous.
Yeah.
I don't know if y'all havewatched Amityville.

(29:30):
I don't know if you've looked upthis house before in the past.
Very nice home.
And it was in the perfect spotbecause, you know, water was
there.
All of it.

SPEAKER_05 (29:41):
Everything.

SPEAKER_07 (29:42):
Everything George wanted, everything Kathy wanted.
The only problem was it waslisted at$80,000.

SPEAKER_05 (29:51):
Oh, so it wasn't a steal.
I mean, for the size of thehouse, it was a for the size of
the house.
But yeah, I was fixing to gothere because all the amenities.
This Place has everything.

SPEAKER_07 (30:01):
Yeah.
All right, Stefan.
It has everything.
It has everything.
It's got the water.

SPEAKER_05 (30:05):
It's got the wet bar.

SPEAKER_07 (30:07):
It's got all the rooms.
He's doing the whole stuff.

SPEAKER_05 (30:09):
All the murders.

SPEAKER_07 (30:10):
Shout out to Bill Hater.
We love you.
It has everything.

SPEAKER_05 (30:13):
I don't know how to sound like him, but I'm doing
like the cover, the nose, theface, you know, the whole wow
thing.

SPEAKER_07 (30:20):
Oh my God.
I can't even think of which umStefan's.
We need to watch some of thoselater.
Bill Hater.
Bill Hater and uh and fuckingwhat's his name?
Seth Rogan.
No, it's not Rogan.
It's not McFarland.
I think you're good.

(30:41):
Green.
No, it's not green either.
Oh my god.
Hey Google.
Who hosts late night?
Seth Myers.
Seth Myers.

SPEAKER_05 (30:52):
Seth Myers, yes.
Seth Myers.
Seth must have been a reallypopular name at that time.
There's a whole Seth aroundthat.

SPEAKER_07 (31:00):
Well, I mean, we saw his picture at Rockefeller
Center.
I can't believe I forgot.
I've been watching Seth Myerssince SNL like for 20 something
years.

SPEAKER_05 (31:08):
We already know that.

SPEAKER_07 (31:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (31:09):
But yeah, yeah, we should have known that shit
right off rip, dude.
Yeah.
Stephon.

SPEAKER_07 (31:14):
Stephon skit Seth Myers on uh was it weekend
update?
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 (31:20):
Not too long ago.
We did.

SPEAKER_07 (31:23):
And Seth Myers' picture was right there along
with Kristen Wig and WillFarrell and Jimmy Fallon.
Oh, it was fabulous.
Okay, so back to the Lutzes.
The house was listed at$80,000.
And even though their budget wasbetween$30,000 and$50, they were
like, um, why uh why is thishouse so cheap?

SPEAKER_05 (31:45):
Because it should have been more like$180,000.
Yeah.
For that time period.

SPEAKER_07 (31:50):
Right.
Yeah.
Now, oh we're going to have totalk about$1.5.
You know, talk about what kindof house what is in New York?
Whew.
They did, you know, like I said,they asked, why is this so
cheap?
And even though it's way out ofour price range, why the fuck is
it only$80,000?
And the wit realtor, she toldthem, uh, she told them the

(32:12):
truth.
She said there were six murdershere just a year ago.
And uh the murderer said thatthe the the house made me do it.

SPEAKER_01 (32:22):
So fuck.

SPEAKER_07 (32:24):
And there were still there were still bullet holes
and chalk lines in this house.
Come on, dude.
But the Lutzes, they weren'tspooked at all.
And they put their offer in andmoved in December 18th, 1975.
The murders had just happened in74.

(32:47):
November of 74.
So this is a year and a monthlater.
Couldn't even paint and spacklethe bitch before you put it on
sale.

SPEAKER_05 (32:56):
Little bit of paint and spackle bud.

SPEAKER_07 (32:59):
I mean, you can get an eraser and erase some
chocolates.

SPEAKER_05 (33:04):
A little, a little, a little bit of rouge on that
son of a bitch before you put iton.

SPEAKER_07 (33:08):
And for 400 extra dollars, they got all the
original furniture from theDeFeos.

SPEAKER_05 (33:15):
Oh, how fucking sweet was that?

SPEAKER_07 (33:20):
Lindsay.
Lyn to the Z.
Listen, I'm not the Lutzes.
Now, I was in a very hauntedhouse in a very haunted town
just recently.
Which I mean, in New York City,there's what, at least five
deaths a day.

SPEAKER_05 (33:35):
Every block or some shit happened.
I even told her like after wegot back, I was like, you know
that hotel that we stayed at?

SPEAKER_07 (33:42):
Yeah, I'm glad you did tell me that after we got
back.
Not that it really probablywould have bothered me.
No.
Because I mean, shit, I know NewYork City.
Like, I'm not stupid.
But I stayed in a house wheretwo people were hacked to death
with a hatchet, and I stayed inthe town where how many people

(34:03):
died?

SPEAKER_05 (34:04):
Gettysburg.

SPEAKER_07 (34:06):
Yeah, in battle.

SPEAKER_05 (34:07):
I'm not talking about like natural deaths.
Battle and and the wounds, andthen the death from the wounds.
Was it like 50 something people?
Yeah.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (34:17):
And I grew up that was I grew up in the house that
my grandparents both died in.
So I'm not new to this, but atthe same time, I don't know if I
would go into a house that isbeyond my budget.

SPEAKER_05 (34:34):
Knowing that.

SPEAKER_07 (34:35):
Knowing that six motherfucking murders happened
in this house and there's stillbullet holes and chalk line in
there.
I I don't know if I can do that.
My limits may just throw a rugover it.

SPEAKER_05 (34:47):
It'll be all right.

unknown (34:48):
Right?

SPEAKER_05 (34:49):
This is a good spot to put the couch we just bought
that somebody died on.
Well, just covered up with that,right?

SPEAKER_07 (34:56):
Well, um, so the Lutzes claimed that they weren't
very religious and they reallydidn't believe in the
paranormal, but they stillwanted their personal priest,
not religious, okay, but theyhad a personal priest, and they
wanted him to come and bless thehome.
Is that just somebody they metthat gave them a business card

(35:17):
or something?
Well, you watched Amityville.
No, I'm just saying.
That priest went through fuckinghell, man.

SPEAKER_05 (35:24):
You just seen him on the side of the road and handing
out Bibles and a business card.

SPEAKER_07 (35:28):
No, apparently, this priest had been there for their
marriage and for because Georgeadopted all three of Kathy's
kids and they took on his lastname.
And uh, I guess the father wasokay with it.
Now the priest, he got the majorick, like insane ick, um, when

(35:49):
it came to this house.
And uh, but he went ahead and heblessed it anyway.
He went he went around blessingit from rim to rim.
And um, where the two youngDeFeo brothers had, you know,
had been killed, he heard avoice behind him saying, get
out.

(36:10):
That's in the movie.

SPEAKER_03 (36:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (36:12):
This is this is not documented by any law
enforcement, anybody other thanI just want to say that up
front.

SPEAKER_05 (36:21):
So is this like an inspiration between that and the
Haunted Mansion at Disney World?

SPEAKER_07 (36:27):
Jesse, this is the Amityville horror.
I know, but we watched it, youand I together.
But I watched Haunted Mansion,and that's the first thing that
you hear when he walks in.

SPEAKER_05 (36:35):
Oh, yeah.
Right?
Same thing.
Could be, it could be.
Same thing.
Same.

SPEAKER_07 (36:40):
So, um, anyway, so if you've watched the Amityville
horror movies, you you you'refamiliar with this story.
And like I said, every accountthat I'm about to talk about was
said by the priest and the Lutzfamily.
It is not documented by anybodyelse.
I just want to put that outthere, okay?

(37:02):
But even though after he heardsomebody yelling at him to get
out, he finished the job and healso respectfully declined an
invitation to stay for dinner.
Come on now.
He didn't tell George or Kathyabout the voice.
He just he just peaced out.
But other alleged paranormalactivity would start happening

(37:23):
pretty fast after they gotsettled in.
Now, the priest would go throughsome shit like anytime he would
just think about this house, hewould start to get ill.
Anytime that the Lutzes wouldcall him, or vice versa, the
connection would die.

SPEAKER_05 (37:43):
You're not have Sage going all the time.
Right.

SPEAKER_07 (37:46):
Well, see.

SPEAKER_05 (37:46):
Maybe they didn't use Sage.

SPEAKER_07 (37:49):
I'm jumping ahead of the gun here.
But I honestly think, not if anyof this is true, which most of
it has been dispelled, but we'regonna talk about it.
Um maybe they shouldn't havegotten it blessed because we'll
we'll get there.
We'll get there.
I'm gonna I'm gonna just pauseright there.
Okay.
On December 19th of that year,uh 75, George woke up at 3 15

(38:15):
a.m.

SPEAKER_05 (38:16):
The devil's hour.
Well, it's the witching hour.

SPEAKER_07 (38:19):
Yeah, don't put devil in the craft.

SPEAKER_05 (38:21):
Oh, whatever.

SPEAKER_07 (38:22):
Um he to what he thought was a very oh now I've
heard it was loud knocking atthe front door, and I've also
heard that it was knocking inthe boathouse.
So one of the two doors, theywere being loudly knocked upon.
But then when he went toinvestigate, he was like, Okay,

(38:42):
no, that's not the front door orthe boathouse.
Where is it coming from?
So he went to see if the kidswere making noises on the second
floor, but no, they were asleepon their stomachs, by the way.
And uh something was movingoutside, like he saw it from uh
it was the sewing room.
It was now the sewing room,which had previously been the

(39:05):
DeFeo boys bedroom.
So he something caught his eyefrom outside, and it was the
figure of a man.
And Harry, the family dog, hestarted to go crazy and follow
the shadow, but he was chainedup, so he could only go so far.
Poor baby.
He was chained.
I don't like that.
I don't like chained up dogs.
Me neither.

SPEAKER_05 (39:25):
Well, I have an animal that I put him along a
rope.

SPEAKER_07 (39:27):
Especially outside in New England.
Come on, man, it's cold.
Yeah.
In December, shit.
Um, and after Harry went crazybarking at him, uh, at the
shadow, it was gone.
Now, no police were called, nodocumentation was made.
If I had seen a figure outsidemy house, you better believe I'm
calling.
Hey, beep, beep, beep, beep,beep.

(39:49):
Hello, police department.
Can you come?
I don't know why I'm talkingBritish.

SPEAKER_06 (39:55):
Can you come and search the perimeter of my
property?
Something's going on at myhouse.

SPEAKER_03 (40:02):
Oh my god, don't stop it!

SPEAKER_07 (40:04):
It's kind of creeping me out a little bit.
I don't know what to do aboutit.
Once again, that is Edgeen fromthe Edgeen story.
That is not how Edge talks.
Come on, dude.

SPEAKER_05 (40:16):
Oh, so did I.
They didn't portray that right,but it was cute.
Come on, dude.
They didn't have to be a goodone.

SPEAKER_07 (40:21):
It made him very oh yeah.
It was a brilliant production,just not very accurate.
Yeah.
Sorry, this is hot.

SPEAKER_04 (40:26):
We uh I can't get it out of my head.

SPEAKER_07 (40:28):
I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (40:28):
We've been watching it all week.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (40:30):
So after this night, okay, George himself, he started
to act strange.
He started to be mean to thekids, very short-tempered.
And this was completely out ofhis character, okay.
He loved these kids, he adoptedthem, he took, you know, he took
everything on.
They had had no problems upuntil their arrival at 112 Ocean

(40:55):
Avenue.
George, he stopped showering, hestopped shaving, he stopped
going to work.
Yeah, just just became acomplete fucking bum.
Gave up on life.
He gave up on life very quickly,very quickly upon arriving at
this house.
He just, I mean, everythinghappened really fast.

(41:16):
Now, Kathy, she experienced acomplete different type of
haunting.
She would feel a presence comeup and hug her and embrace her,
and it smelled very feminine,very perfumey.
And um, it's weird, but but notawful.
But while she was getting aghostly hug, how the fuck is

(41:39):
that not awful?
I don't know.
If I if I felt a warm embrace bysomething perfumey, I'm be like,
hey girl.

SPEAKER_05 (41:46):
No, you would love it if as long as it's pumpkin
spice or some shit.

SPEAKER_07 (41:49):
You'd be like, okay, girl.
All right.
Come on, let's hug, girl.
So, like I said, while she'sgetting her ghostly hug, her
boys start screaming from thebathroom because it was
completely black.
But like the toilet wascompletely black.

SPEAKER_05 (42:08):
Like somebody had it was rolling the coal out of the
toilet, like black.

SPEAKER_07 (42:13):
Yes, it was black, but it wasn't like poo-poo
black, it was just black.
You know what I mean?
Like a paint or like an oil, youknow, black.
So Kathy flushed it and flushedit, and it's like the water
coming back in is still black.
And she had just cleaned thistoilet.
Like they just moved in, shecleaned it from top to bottom.
She they it was said she was avery clean woman.

(42:36):
Then another kid yelled from theother bathroom and said that
that toilet was also black andwas giving off a terrible smell.
Could be some septic problems.
I mean, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 (42:49):
Yeah, some old shit was backed up.

SPEAKER_07 (42:52):
Well, I mean that's creepy though.

SPEAKER_05 (42:54):
Fuck, it's creepy.
It is creepy.

SPEAKER_03 (42:56):
Some shit gone down.

SPEAKER_07 (42:58):
And then in the sewing room, once again, like I
said, which the DeFeo boys hadbeen killed, both windows were
covered in black flies.
This was in six-degree weather.

SPEAKER_06 (43:14):
Black fly?
Death row pardon.
Two minutes too late.

SPEAKER_07 (43:24):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (43:24):
That's fucking ironic, Lindsay.
Don't you think?

SPEAKER_07 (43:28):
I do think because I mean, in Florida, when it gets
below 40 degrees here, we thereain't no flies.
So I can just imagine insix-degree weather, there's
absolutely no flies.
Like they dead.
They dead and gone.
They gone, they died.

SPEAKER_05 (43:47):
It's like rain, dude, on your wedding day.
It's a fucking free ride thatyou already paid.
Well, they paid you know alittle bit more than what they
were planning to pay, but it'sthe good advice that they just
didn't take.
And who would have thought,though?
I mean It figures.
Yeah, it figures.

SPEAKER_07 (44:06):
Okay.
So one uh anyway, not one daylater, but a few days later,
Missy, the youngest daughter,Melissa, but she went by Missy.
She told um Kathy and Georgethat she had a new friend named
Jody.
And Jody was a male pig.
Oh, see, and I thought it wassomebody else.

(44:29):
You saw the pig in the movie.

SPEAKER_05 (44:31):
Yeah, but I thought it was Jody that took a vacation
far away.

SPEAKER_07 (44:38):
I'm on it.
I'm done.
I'm done.
You're done.
Jesse's done.
We've been drinking since 10o'clock this morning.
So forgive us.
That was that's Josie.
Oh, yeah, it is Josie.
That's my favorite song, man.
Oh.
Like, literally, of all time, Ithink.

(44:58):
Well, I said it wrong, but youknow what?
I don't want to lose her lovetonight.
Okay, so Melissa's got animaginary friend named Jody.
Jody's a pig, and he's a boy.
Um Okay.
Okay.
Did you ever have imaginaryfriends?
Yeah.

(45:18):
Really?
Tell me about it.
I've got I've got room to talkin this episode.
I got room.

SPEAKER_05 (45:24):
Tell me.
I don't remember a lot of itbecause apparently it creeped me
the fuck out later on, and I gotrid of it.
And that's probably a reason whyI get rid of traumatizing or
crazy things in my head.
I had one called Bigelow.

SPEAKER_07 (45:42):
Really?

SPEAKER_05 (45:43):
Yeah.
And was it a gigolo?
Bigelow the gigolo.
Nah.
It was not.
Oh, okay.
It uh we called him Bigelow, Mr.
Bigelow.
Is what I called him.
And I don't remember a lot aboutit because I got rid of it
because apparently I came to mymom screaming and crying,
honestly, about something thathe was trying to do and it was

(46:04):
creeping me the fuck out.
Oh.
Yeah, imaginary friend.
Best friend for a long time.
We had great times, apparently.
I don't remember any of itbecause I got rid of all of it,
and it was traumatizing,horrific for me.
That's a real story.

SPEAKER_07 (46:18):
I did not have imaginary friends, but I thought
it was fascinating that otherpeople did.
Now I grew up on a farm and Iwould talk to animals.
I talked to my dog, Zeke.
He was my bestie.
And I would talk to the cows.
I knew that.
Okay, so we we got our initialherd on the farm was five cows.

(46:40):
They all had names.
Now the bigger that the herdgrew, the less they had names
and the more they became tagnumbers.
But the initial five, those werealso my besties, and their
children were my children.
Like when they had babies, I wasout in the fields.
Holding them and playing withthem.

(47:01):
Yes.
Like I had a baby cow.
Like that was I could not waitto get home from school, do my
homework, call my mom, say, hey,I'm home.
Leave me alone.
I'm out in the field.
Love you bye.

SPEAKER_05 (47:13):
Right.
And you come running up withsome hay.

SPEAKER_07 (47:16):
I didn't even have to have hay.
They came running to you?
They were just babies.
Now their moms did not like meat that point.
Yeah.
But they were used to me becauseI had been around them since
they were calves, you know?
So, I mean, it's it's surprisingthat I'm still here to tell this
tale because I was stepped onand booked by very, very large

(47:37):
cattle several times.

SPEAKER_05 (47:39):
Slamming you in the face.
I didn't give a fuck.

SPEAKER_07 (47:41):
I was still gonna play with their babies.
I helped give birth to one.

SPEAKER_05 (47:45):
Until death do us part.
I'm gonna play with thesefucking cows, I swear to God.

SPEAKER_07 (47:48):
I helped give birth to one.
Um, so the cow named Kro, her,she was in labor.

SPEAKER_05 (47:55):
After the syrup.

SPEAKER_07 (47:56):
No, it was Kairo after Kro, Georgia.
Oh, okay.
That's where she was born.
Kairo with a K.
Oh.
Well, I guess that's how youspell Kro syrups, isn't it?
Uh anyway, so Kairo, she wasgiving birth, and like me and my
cousin Charity, that my cousinswere up from Lakeland.
We're just walking the farm,doing our thing, hanging out.

(48:17):
We saw two legs sticking outKro's fajy.
Oh we ran.

SPEAKER_05 (48:24):
We ran.
Cal's just in there like, mmm.

SPEAKER_07 (48:27):
Yeah, well, we and that's not normal.
Yeah.
Um, so we ran, yeah.
Told my dad, my dad calls thevet right away.
So we go out, we have papertowels and and and bath towels.

SPEAKER_05 (48:41):
And some antiseptic spray.

SPEAKER_07 (48:42):
We didn't have that.

SPEAKER_05 (48:43):
I know.

SPEAKER_07 (48:45):
We're helping my dad.
I I literally witnessed thisthis child's birth.
Lindsay's in the back with herantiseptic spray.
We were that baby.
We were like six and eight.
Charity was six, I was eight.
Uh, we were babies, and uh wewitnessed a cow's birth, and I
became very attached to thatcow.
Her name was Joy, and she was mybaby.

(49:09):
Like I loved her.
I spent time with her everyafternoon.
And then when she became of age,my dad um would either my dad
had registered purebred cattle,and they were bought and sold
for show cattle.
And if they did not meet therequirements of show cattle,

(49:29):
they were sold to the market,and joy was sold to the market.

SPEAKER_05 (49:34):
Oh.

SPEAKER_07 (49:35):
It took me a long time to eat beef after that.

SPEAKER_05 (49:37):
I bet.
I mean, we had joy, we had fun,we had seasons in the sun.

SPEAKER_07 (49:41):
Oh, shut up.

SPEAKER_05 (49:42):
What?

SPEAKER_07 (49:43):
Anyways.
So that's my little farm story.

SPEAKER_05 (49:46):
That was like life experiences, though.

SPEAKER_07 (49:48):
So I didn't have imaginary friends, but I had
animal friends.
Yeah, I wouldn't have hadnothing but trees.
But listeners, if you guys havehad any imaginary friends, uh
email us about it and we'll talkabout it.
We'll we'll talk about yourlittle stories.

SPEAKER_05 (50:01):
You got me thinking, you got me thinking about like
what really happened for me toget rid of it.

SPEAKER_07 (50:06):
Follow us on Instagram, hit him us, hit us up
in our DMs on Instagram, drinkabout something, or Jesse and
Lindsey, Jesse Stanby, LindsayStamble on Facebook.
We want to hear your storiesabout imaginary friends because
I'm interested.
I'm really interested.

SPEAKER_05 (50:20):
Are you bringing back Mr.
Bigelow now into my life as anadult?

SPEAKER_07 (50:24):
If it was if it's a horrific, traumatizing story and
you don't want to talk about it,you don't have to.

SPEAKER_05 (50:27):
But I gotta pee later on.
If my fucking toilet water isblack, I swear to God, Lindsay.
I'm not gonna make it.

SPEAKER_07 (50:34):
Well, just let me let me uh finish telling the
story and see what you think,okay?
Now, Missy was talking to Georgeone night before bed.
Uh, she was talking to him aboutJody and pointed and said, you
know what?
There he is right there.
There he is, right there, DaddyGeorge.
And when George looked, two redeyes were looking back at him.

(50:56):
A few nights later, the knockingreturned, and this time the
windows were cracked, and thedoor came off its hinges.
Fuck.
From the knocking on the fuckingdoor.
And so while so while this ishappening, he's now down at the
boathouse.
I didn't write this in my notes,so this is off the hip.

(51:18):
He is down at the boat house,he's checking all that shit out.
He looks up into Melissa'swindow, and there's a pig face
with two red eyes looking backat him.

SPEAKER_03 (51:31):
Allegedly.
That's a fucked up pig.

SPEAKER_07 (51:35):
But what's crazy is there was no pig in this house
prior to the Let's moving in.
There was no pig in the DeFeofamily.

SPEAKER_05 (51:44):
Well, it could have been like from the property
before.

SPEAKER_07 (51:46):
It could have been from the colonial times, but I
doubt it.
In the house.

SPEAKER_05 (51:50):
Maybe the pig itself was the spirit that was making
people do crazy shit.
Mmm.

SPEAKER_07 (51:56):
Get you back, bitches for you, but at the same
time, there was a knock so hardthat the windows cracked and the
door came off its motherfuckinghinges.
And guess what, George?
He he didn't call the police.
What?
He didn't call the police, hedidn't call anybody.
There was no documentation ofthis.
This is just George's account.

(52:16):
Yeah, because I would have beenin a different fucking count.

SPEAKER_05 (52:18):
Of stories.
I would have been in a differentstate probably by then,
honestly.
Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_07 (52:24):
So now, like I said, George, he's become, you know,
unkempt, uh, lazy, don't want togo to work, don't want to
shower, don't want to shave, youknow.
And now he's to the point wherehe's always cold.
He's cold all the time.
And he's always sitting in frontof the fire, like constantly
building a fire in thefireplace.
He can't get warm.

(52:45):
It's just always just in thefire.
And this is in the movie aswell, this part.
And uh one night in January, sothey've got they've made it
through.
I mean, they moved in rightbefore Christmas.
They've made it throughChristmas.
So one night in January, Kathy,she's sleeping right beside
George.
She starts fucking levitating.
Levitating off the bed, and shewas carried towards an empty

(53:09):
closet.
They hadn't filled this closetquite yet.

SPEAKER_05 (53:12):
Lindsay.

SPEAKER_07 (53:13):
George, this is their account.
I'm just telling their account.
Okay.
George goes to this closet andfinds that this closet also
leads to a room that theyweren't aware of that's not in
any of the original blueprintsof the house.
Like, what the fuck?
And uh so they go to theAmityville Historical Society to

(53:37):
try and get some moreinformation on this house.
Like, shit's happening here, butthey really didn't say that.
They didn't tell anybody yet,still.
Uh, but they go to see what whathas happened in not you know,
not just the fact that therewere six murders the year
before.
What else has happened in thishouse?

SPEAKER_05 (53:57):
Right.
And the area too, I'm sure.
Right?
They were trying to figure outwhat the fuck's going on, or
were they trying to collect moreshit to fucking add more shit.
You're fucking dumping some shiton me.

SPEAKER_07 (54:07):
So they were told that the Shinnokok tribe had
used this land that the housewas built on uh for the sick,
the insane, and the dying.
It was not a burial ground, likeyou know, everybody wants to say
it was a burial ground.
Every this whole fuckingcountry's a burial ground, like

(54:28):
if you think about it.

SPEAKER_04 (54:29):
The whole world is.

SPEAKER_07 (54:30):
The whole world is like I said, they the
Shannoncock tribe used this areafor the sick, the crazy, and the
dying.
And uh they did not bury anybodyhere because it was uh infested
with what they would calldemons.
Okay, so and it had alsosupposedly, uh well, it this is
true, um, but it wasn't at theexact land, but it was near it,

(54:55):
that um this area where uh JohnKetchum from the Salem witch
trials had been banished.
When he had been banished out ofSalem, he moved to this area,
and he had been accused in Salemof devil worship and witchcraft.
But what have we learned, Jesse?

(55:16):
Just from watching the craft andthe practical magic.
There is no devil in the craft.
No, so those two don't go handin hand.

SPEAKER_05 (55:25):
But they have to put it there.
That way they're gonna do it.
They have to.

SPEAKER_07 (55:27):
So that's all bullshit too.
Yeah.
Now John Ketchum was for real umaccused of those things, and he
was for real driven out ofSalem.

SPEAKER_05 (55:35):
Instead of getting fucking hung and fucked up like
the the women did.

SPEAKER_06 (55:39):
They just there was a couple of dudes too.
I mean, Giles Corey, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (55:43):
Yeah, well, still.
Fuck's sake.
That sounds like a gonquin too,or are not a gonquin.
Is that maybe what tribe?
Like the native.
This is Shinnecock.
Shinnicog.
So, I mean, dude, I lovewoodland Native Americans.

SPEAKER_07 (55:56):
Now we did pass by Agonquin area when we were up
there.

SPEAKER_05 (55:59):
And they said that that that was the uh the Gonquin
nation had several differentsmaller and we passed over a
bridge twice, uh going to Maineand then back down.

SPEAKER_07 (56:09):
Yeah.
That was um Chicago Cog?
No, it was Pin.
It started with a peak.
It was uh yeah, there's so manycool things.
I wish look up all the bridgesin New England, we crossed them
all.
For the love of fucking God.

SPEAKER_05 (56:24):
Every one of them.

SPEAKER_07 (56:26):
No, I'm no, we did not have to go over the Benjamin
Franklin Bridge, the TriboroughBridge, or um what was the other
one that I was scared about?
Oh yeah, you were.
Uh there's another one.
So we did the Henry Hudson andthe George Washington, but we
didn't do there was another, notthe Triborough.
There was another one in uh inNew York that I was like, oh no,

(56:46):
no, the Satin Island Bridge.
Holy shit.
But you know what?
The Tobin fucking bridge inBoston was that big, and I went
over that twice.
Yeah.
Uh, but I didn't see it likewith my own eyes, like it just
snuck up on you after you wentthrough the tunnel.

SPEAKER_05 (57:02):
Creep would be creeping.

SPEAKER_07 (57:03):
Yeah.
The bridges in Boston just kindof came up on me.
But like I said, the the wholething with John Ketchum was
false claims.
This guy just moved therebecause he was driven out of
Salem because the fucking stupidass, bored little girls that
were supposedly afflicted inSalem had accused him of

(57:25):
witchcraft and devil worship.
And you got folk taleseverywhere.
Everywhere.
So the Lutzes would continue tobe taunted by other, allegedly,
uh, by other paranormalactivity.
And like they were pushed andshoved.
They had bleeding walls, slimeon the ceiling, and the sounds

(57:48):
of a fucking marching band inthe living room.
Now tell me, Jesse, why I wouldenjoy the hell out of that.
Please, I want a marching bandin my living room.

SPEAKER_05 (58:00):
I like to think of it as like our high school fight
song.

SPEAKER_07 (58:04):
I mean, and I'm not a gator fan, but the fucking
Gator marching band.
I was in a marching band, folks.
I was I was a band nerd.
I played the clarinet.

SPEAKER_05 (58:19):
We had some cool ass marching band stuff in high
school, man.

SPEAKER_07 (58:22):
Well, and we love marching bands, period.
I do love marching bands.
That's the best part offootball.
Isn't it the best part of it?

SPEAKER_05 (58:27):
The best part of football.
Where do I always sit if I evertook you to a football game,
like local, like high schoolstuff?

SPEAKER_07 (58:32):
And what do we get excited about when we go to
parades?
The marching bands.

SPEAKER_05 (58:37):
No, no.
Furthermore, the fuckingdrumline.

SPEAKER_07 (58:41):
Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_05 (58:42):
The fucking drumline, fist bump, high five,
high five, and elbow rub too.
Elbow rub too.
We're doing a fucking elbow rubtoo.
Fuck it.
The drum line.
Is the chits?

SPEAKER_07 (58:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (58:52):
Dude playing the quads.
You have my heart.
Whoever you are.
Yes.
We're getting married.

SPEAKER_07 (58:58):
Uh I mean, I'll marry him too.
Yes.
We'll be a thruple.

SPEAKER_05 (59:01):
Dude, chicks, whatever.
The whole fucking quad section.
They're they're flirting.
You know, I kind of like thebass drum too, though.
So I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_07 (59:07):
But I mean, like, okay.
Okay, the whole thing.
This was made, dude.
This was made to be a very scarything, but I do not understand
what's scary about that.
About a marching band.

SPEAKER_05 (59:16):
I mean, I would have been gone though.
I'd have been gone when the doorfucking fell off, dude.

SPEAKER_07 (59:21):
Black toilet, understood.
Flies in six-degree weather onyour windows.
Really?

SPEAKER_05 (59:25):
Okay.
Still, whatever.

SPEAKER_07 (59:26):
Pig and eyeballs, maybe.
Being pushed and shoved.
Okay, I get it.
But a marching band, I wouldactually find that fun.

SPEAKER_05 (59:34):
The door, though.
The door.

SPEAKER_07 (59:36):
Yeah, the door.

SPEAKER_05 (59:37):
I'm gone.

SPEAKER_07 (59:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (59:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (59:39):
I would have at least called the police so it
could be documented.

SPEAKER_05 (59:43):
Deuces, man.
I'd have been deuces.
But on the rest of it, you know,you're kind of like sixes and
sevens, man.

SPEAKER_07 (59:48):
So they decide after this, they've only been in the
house a month, okay?
Less than a month.
They decide to go to Babylon andstay with Kathy's mother, not
the country, but the city in NewYork.
York that we did pass through.
And um so they all get ready togo.
They're packed, they're they'rethey're ready to take off.

(01:00:08):
But guess what?
The van won't start.
Then a gust, a mighty gust ofwind.
Uh wait, he so he has the hoodup, you know, he's chugging shit
out, George's.
A mighty gust of wind blew thehood down as he was looking
under, and he literally movedhis head in just enough time for

(01:00:28):
it to not slam down on hisfucking neck.
Yeah.
So then a hurricane, a whole asshurricane that's only happening
to the let's came out ofnowhere.
And they had to go running backinto the house.
While they're in the house, thepower went out.

(01:00:49):
It was freezing outside, then itwas hot as hell.
Inside, they're in, they'reliterally in Dante's inferno,
okay?

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:57):
You're flipping me too much shit around here,
Lindsay.

SPEAKER_07 (01:01:00):
While all this is happening, they're burning up,
there's no power.
They saw a black blob in thehouse.
Black blob.
Just oozing towards them.
No, you're scaring me, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:15):
You're scaring me over here.

SPEAKER_07 (01:01:17):
So somehow, I don't know how they did it, because
allegedly, right?
They all pile into one bed andthey try to get some sleep.
Now George and Kathy were on,you know, little rocking chairs
in the house.
Now, I did forget to put this inmy story, but in little Missy's
bedroom, uh, where Jody the Piglived, her little rocking chair

(01:01:38):
would rock all by itself.
And you remember that from themovie, right?

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:42):
Yeah, but not to mention though, there's a
telephone.

SPEAKER_07 (01:01:45):
Telephone didn't work.
Well, the power went out, Jesse.
Back in the day, you couldn'tget the telephone to work.
Yeah.
Because we didn't have cellphones.
What are we gonna do?
We didn't have cell phones at 75before we were born.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:56):
We're just gonna live, we're gonna, we're gonna
ride this bitch out, dude.
Well, guess what?
What?

SPEAKER_07 (01:02:00):
At 3 15 a.m., that dang old Marching Man comes
back.
I want to know what songs theywere playing.
All I can think about is thehigh school.
Let's call up George.
Oh, George is dead.
But um, anyways, let's call upsome of the kids.
They're still alive.
They may they may be able totell us what this martian man

(01:02:20):
was playing, because I want toknow.

SPEAKER_06 (01:02:22):
I want to know where you were playing.
Watch out a show.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:28):
Yes, no, I don't think they'll even know.

SPEAKER_07 (01:02:32):
So while the Martian man's playing, then they start
hearing demonic voices.
So they're hearing Will Ramos inthe background with Guttural.
I can't even do God.
I want to I want to be able togrowl like Will, like like
Tatiana, like fucking Randy.
I want to be able to do it sobad, Jesse.

(01:02:53):
It's that's the only thing I'veever coveted in my entire life.

unknown (01:02:56):
Really?

SPEAKER_07 (01:02:58):
But have you really tried?
No, I really haven't.
Not like not like them.
I haven't put in the work likethem.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:03):
No.
Balls deep tried.
What's that woman that alwayscoaches all them?
There's an older woman thatcoaches all them how to sing
like that.

SPEAKER_07 (01:03:11):
No, they were all self-taught.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:12):
No, no, no, but they all go to her afterwards.
Oh, but to keep it to keep theirwork.
Like Chino and shit was blowingout his voice and Deft Tones.
They all went to her, like RandyBlythe.

SPEAKER_07 (01:03:21):
Uh, I'm gonna find her.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:22):
All of them.

SPEAKER_07 (01:03:23):
I'll pay for coaching.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:24):
I'll send you a link, okay?

SPEAKER_07 (01:03:25):
Listeners, tell me where I can go to learn how to
be a metal core singer.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:29):
I'm gonna send you the link, dude.
This chick really has showed,and she's an older chick.
She's a vocal.

SPEAKER_07 (01:03:32):
Well, I'm just saying, listeners, if you know
somebody else, send me all thelinks because I want to learn.
I mean, I've taught like fourchicks how to do that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:38):
I know, but you can't do it.
Not that well, no.
No.
That kind of suck.
But I don't go at itpassionately like like I want
them to, you know.

SPEAKER_07 (01:03:46):
Right.
I'm just saying, you but mothose who teach can't do
usually.
So you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:53):
Isn't that true?
It is.
Why?
Why am I good at teaching themand I'm not I can't do it.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:01):
You ain't tried to teach me, asshole.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:03):
Uh well, I can't show you.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:04):
I mean, uh But anyway, so now, all right, let's
recap real quick.
They've had a hurricane outside.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:10):
Yeah, the world's gonna be a good one.
They've had to come in, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:13):
They have no power, they're burning up.
They try to get some sleep, butat fucking 3 15 a.m., fucking
marching band comes back,demonic noises in the back.
Will Ramos is back there.
Um, or or who else?
Who else?

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:26):
Alex the Terrible.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:27):
Alex the Terrible fucking uh what's his name from
from from fucking what's theband?
The the neck.
What's his name?
Corpse Grinder, baby.
Corpse Grinder! Corpse Grinder,right?

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:40):
Corpse Grinder.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:41):
Corpse Grinder, we're sorry, but he's in the
background.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:44):
Florida is the hub of death metal.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:46):
Yeah, I mean I love itself.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:49):
It's just it's where it, you know, it's a big thing.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:51):
Higgs wheels and goblin sounds, man, they get my
motor.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:54):
And what was that band that I just introduced?
We bread we butter our breadwith butter was the band that I
just introduced you to.
That bitch is bad.
I love them.
They were great.
They were cool.

SPEAKER_07 (01:05:06):
I gotta follow them.
So, anyway, so that's going on,okay?
Marching band demonic voices.
Then lightning starts strikingin the house.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:15):
Oh god.

SPEAKER_07 (01:05:16):
Lights are flashing, beds are shaking.
And then George said, because Iguess he was laying down at this
point, which is weird becausethey said they were sleeping in
chairs, so I don't understand.
So George said that he couldfeel hooves climbing on his
chest.
It was fucking Black Philip,man.

(01:05:37):
Black Philip, Black Philip.
Now that's a that is a goat, aram in the movie, which I am not
calling a black person Philip.
That is a goat.
A ram.
I guess he is a ram, right?
I loved him.
That's my dog.
I love Black Philip.

(01:05:58):
So then Danny, he sees a face.
And then when George looks, he'slike, holy shit, it's a large
hooded figure pointing right atthe family.
And he's dressed in white, kindof like, kind of like a member
of the King King Kang.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:16):
I didn't have that shit up there, man.
What the fuck, man?

SPEAKER_07 (01:06:19):
I don't know.
This is just what they say theysaw, okay?
So this time, they all run fortheir fucking lives.
They get in the van.
Guess what?
It cranks this time.
Oh.
And they left.
Freedom.
And they never returned.
They let this house go.
Freedom.
And you know what?

(01:06:40):
The financial world just doesn'twork like that.
You can't just be like, thishouse is haunted and I don't
want to pay for it no more.
You are financially obligated tothat house.
But we'll we'll uh we'll talkabout that in a minute.
Okay, so they go to Babylon,they go to Kathy's mom's house,
they're living there, and theyend up in California later on.

(01:07:01):
But while they're still over inNew York, they uh they do start
slowly ta telling people aboutthe events that occurred in the
house.
And then they were introduced toWilliam Weber.
Now, do you remember who WilliamWeber was?
I don't know, you make somegrills or something.
No, Jesse, that was ButchDeFeo's defense lawyer.

(01:07:25):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You said that earlier.
Now, like, you know, this is theguy who is in the middle of
appeals, and he truly believesthat this house had possessed
Butch and made him kill hisfamily.
So here are some more peoplethat had an alleged bad
experience in this house.

(01:07:45):
So he was like, You want to helpme?
You want to help me uh get thismurderer a lesser sentence?
And he wanted to write a bookabout everything, and he
promised the Lutzes a 12%profit.
And they're all discussing this,you know, drinking wine, they're
having a good time, they're at aparty.
Now, 12% ain't shit, right?

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:09):
No.

SPEAKER_07 (01:08:10):
No.
When you're looking at whenyou're looking at the big
picture, 12% ain't shit.
So a friend of theirs told themthat.
They're like, hey, y'all, let'sif what you're saying is true
and you want to try to uh comeup from this, 12% ain't shit.

(01:08:32):
So they went with Jay Anson, whoactually wrote the book
Amityville Horror.
Oh.
And he gave the Letz family 50%.
Whoa.
They have come the fuck up.
Okay.
I mean, like, George sells hisbusiness.
I don't know the litigation uhhappenings with this house.

(01:08:56):
I don't know how they got outfrom under that.
I I really don't, I don't knowwhy I didn't thoroughly research
it because I do know that a yearlater another family did move
in.
A year later.
Um, before that, before uh ohyeah, it was after that, um,
channel five did, or before thenew family moved in, channel

(01:09:17):
five did an investigationspecial with Ed and Lorraine
Warren.
Now, you asked me who that was,which is very strange to me
because you know all about theconjuring.
Yeah.
So they are the literal peoplewho are the subject of that
whole universe, that wholeconjuring universe.
Ed Lorraine Loren.

(01:09:39):
Ed was a uh, I'm doing quotationmarks, demonologist, because
we're gonna talk a lot moreabout them in the next few
weeks.
And uh Lorraine was veryclairvoyant.
They were a team, they were kindof like ghost hunters, but a
little different because theywere very religious, also.

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:57):
Oh yeah, sounds like a perfect come-up to me.

SPEAKER_07 (01:10:01):
Yeah, we're gonna get into that in next episodes
to come.
So, channel five investigationwith Ed and Lorraine Warren and
their team, they have a team atthis point, who said that that
place, the the DeFeo home, 112Ocean Avenue, had a very dark
energy, and they even captured aphoto of the alleged ghost of

(01:10:25):
John DeFeo.
Now I'm gonna show Jesse thisphoto real quick.
This is the photo that theycaptured.
I want you guys to look it up aswell.
Okay, that's fucking scary asfuck, right?

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:36):
I would be the deuces on that deal.

SPEAKER_07 (01:10:38):
Guess what?

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:39):
What?

SPEAKER_07 (01:10:40):
So, I mean, they they capitalized on this for a
very long time, but it turnedout that that was just a picture
of a one of their team memberswhose name was Paul Bart.
Look just like him, probably,right?
Poking his head out by thestaircase.
Yeah, it was just he I mean,they had a team who was all in
this fucking house.
Gotti.
Yeah.
But they capitalized this,capitalized on this for a long

(01:11:02):
time, okay, until it was lateron debunked.
It was completelysensationalized.
Well, George and Kathy, butmostly George, uh, they went on
to do many interviews after thebook release, and then the
movie, Amityville Horror, thatliterally said this is a true
story.
Cha-ching.

(01:11:23):
Cha-ching, cha-that didn'thappen to be the the truth.
Um yeah, I mean, because uh whata fucking story, right?

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:33):
What a fucking story.
Yeah.
I just knew you were flipping mesome shit somewhere here.

SPEAKER_07 (01:11:37):
Well, the next owners of this house, they were
not happy with this book releaseor the movie release because
they were never given a moment'speace.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:47):
So now they have like a roadside attraction
that's coming to their house attheir lower range.

SPEAKER_07 (01:11:51):
Well, the next family, guess what they said?
They said, This bitch ain'thaunted.
We're good here.
We're all gooching.
We feel good, no bad energy inthis house, and they end up
suing the Lutzes for beingliars.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:04):
Yeah, defamation of proper pro property in the
house.

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:07):
Because they're yeah, and they're like, We're
not haunted, there's no badenergy here.
There's nothing wrong with thisfucking house.
And guess what?
There was many owners in yearsto come who haven't had any
fucking issues.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:19):
And you wanted me to go there for what, Lindsay?

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:22):
Oh, I just wanted to look at it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:23):
That's it.

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:25):
Well, it's I mean, it looks I mean, I looked at the
area and it looks beautiful.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:28):
No, the area looks beautiful.
The house herself is soaccurate.

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:32):
Because it's on a like a cape type thing, you
know?

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:34):
I get it.
I get it.
But like, okay, we'd have tookpicture.

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:37):
I mean, it was still the subject of a very
sensationalized book and movie.
And I mean, how manyAmityville's have there been
since then?
Like, and okay, so they, I mean,they lived this next family
after the Lutz's lived in thathouse for about 10 years, and
then it's been occupied by threeor four more families since.
And guess what?
They've had no more paranormalactivity ever.

(01:13:00):
Now, George and Kathy, theywould be in legal proceedings
with different people andcompanies like Sony.
Like, they, if people weren'tsuing them, they were suing
somebody else.
Like it is wild.
You can look up all that lore.
It kind of hurt my brain lookingat it.
So I'm like, you know what?
I'm just gonna let my listenerslook that way.

(01:13:21):
So they would be in legalproceedings until the day that
they fucking died.
Now they divorced in the 80s,George and Kathy.
So like they didn't even make itanother 10 years past all this.
And um, they but it was sayingit was said it was amicable,
like they got along still.
But the kids who had originallytook on the Lutz last name, they

(01:13:44):
went back to their original lastname after that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:47):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:13:48):
That's weird.
Now uh now they have stuck totheir stories throughout all
this time, but they were young,impressionable kids.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:13:57):
Like if I mean you feed a kid a lie long enough,
they're gonna believe it.
Yeah, they're gonna remember it.
So we gotta find out as amemory.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:05):
They're gonna hit them up, right?

SPEAKER_07 (01:14:08):
Yeah, I really want to know what the fuck that had
to do with with the whole issue.
Like, I want to know why the pigand why the marching band were
even in the story.
Because what?

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:22):
And I'm sure everybody had to come to this
house and walk around with theirfucking spirit box to try to
find something to well no,because like the the people that
owned it afterwards, they shutit down.

SPEAKER_07 (01:14:32):
Like they changed the address, they changed the
windows to where they didn'tlook like eyes looking out at
you anymore.
Like they they have doneeverything that they could do to
keep it uh off the grid.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:45):
Yeah, and not to dispel any paranormal activity
because I get that, but but atthe same time, they've
whitewashed the whole fucking.

SPEAKER_07 (01:14:52):
I've been in a house that has been known for that,
and I didn't feel a thing.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:57):
No, and they were walking around in their boxes
and stuff too.

SPEAKER_07 (01:14:59):
I'm like, and it was, I mean, even sister-in-law
Shelly like posted that it isone of the top haunted areas.
I didn't feel shit.
I slept really great in LizzieBorden's bag.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:10):
Doesn't it really work out if you keep plugging
that, right?

SPEAKER_07 (01:15:13):
But I mean, it's still cool.
I mean, I still completely 100%recommend going there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because everything in thathouse, other than the now, you
know, electric and uhelectricity and running water
and bathrooms, everything isoriginal.
The furniture, it's I mean, andI mean, murders did happen in
that house, but I didn't feelany bad energy.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:32):
No, and I'm pretty vibing on things like that.
I've been around a lot ofthings.
I felt it in Gettysburg.

SPEAKER_07 (01:15:38):
You felt it in the bird, dude.
Yeah, felt in the bird, bro.
Um, but like I said, like thethe kids stuck to their stories,
and uh Daniel and Christopherhave both put out their own
documentaries as well.
Now, Melissa, she stays out ofit.
Um, so you know, I mean, you'vepretty already told me.
So I put here in my notes, like,what are your thoughts?
Listeners, tell me what yourthoughts are.

(01:16:00):
Like, I would really love somefeedback on this because I think
it's bullshit.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:16:04):
Horrific murders did happen in that house.
I do not believe that there wasany demonic spirit in that house
that told Butch DeFeo to dothat.
I think that he was just aspoiled little shitty ass dude
who was had daddy issues andstuff like that.
Daddy issues.
He got all the shit.
Yeah.
He uh yeah, I believe he hadmental illness within himself

(01:16:28):
because, like I said, he hadalready tried to to harm Ron Sr.
in in the past.
He uh, oh, I didn't put this inmy story either.
He was part of like he hadgotten another member of the car
lot or another employee of thecar lot to commit uh robbery.
Fuck like a deposit robbery.

SPEAKER_05 (01:16:48):
He was just a walking toxic he.

SPEAKER_07 (01:16:51):
He was a spoiled brat.

SPEAKER_05 (01:16:52):
He had and he felt like he was the demon.

SPEAKER_07 (01:16:56):
Um, but he was a spoiled brat, and that's just
how I feel about the situation.
That is my own personal opinion.
Shitty dude.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:03):
Just a shitty dude, we've seen it who did a
horrific.

SPEAKER_07 (01:17:07):
I mean, grant a motto.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:08):
Yeah, it's it, I mean, it really just we're
finding things to contrastagainst it.
Yeah, you can find iteverywhere, you know?

SPEAKER_07 (01:17:15):
All the way to a spoiled kid who could not ever
get enough.
Yeah, could not ever get enough.
Like you're still living at homeat 23, you're taken care of, you
have a job, you have a job inthe family business, and you
want to rob your family.
Yeah, like I will neverunderstand things like that.
We've got I had an ex-husbandlike that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:31):
Too many times already on here.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:17:33):
And I don't, I don't, I do not understand
stealing from the people who areyour own bread and butter, who
provide your lifestyle for you.
I don't, I don't get it.
Like, what is wrong with you?
Right.
You know, and I mean, evenLizzie Borden did that shit.
I believe that she stole out ofboredom with her own life.
Her thing.

(01:17:53):
But no, she didn't steal likethe deposit that uh Butch DeFeo
stole with his coworker, who,you know, unfortunately, this
guy was just drug into it.
He was probably like, well, he'sa DeFeo.
I don't want to fuck with, youknow, it was like 18 grand.
Fuck.
Yeah, Lizzie didn't steal likethat.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:09):
Yeah.
No, she was a little aerial.

SPEAKER_07 (01:18:14):
This stuff isn't in the end.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:16):
That's what you said on that pod.
That was so epic.

SPEAKER_07 (01:18:20):
So tell me, so listeners, give me some
feedback.
Tell me what your thoughts areon the, you know, the whole
DeFeo Lutz family lore.
Because it is, I mean, it isactual fact that no other family
had any paranormal problemsafter the Lutz has moved out,
period.
And I really want to know howthey got out of that purchase.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:18:42):
You know?
Now George had to sell his wholefucking business and everything,
his family business, surveyingcompany.
Right.
And when they moved toCalifornia, but he started
making money off of everythingelse.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:54):
He had fallen into that stupor where he just I felt
like it was a little plot.
Yeah, well, that too.
And he quit, he quit.
I think he really did give up onlife.

SPEAKER_07 (01:19:03):
Well, and I mean he moved into a house he couldn't
afford.
Yeah.
It was almost double what his uhso shit was piling up.
His purchases were, yeah.
I think there was a lot morefinancial problems than they
wanted to talk about, and theyjust made it into a haunting.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:21):
He was like, dude, I'm just gonna turn this around.
I'm gonna turn this aroundbecause I can make this into
something, a cash grab.

SPEAKER_07 (01:19:27):
Turn around.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:28):
Yes, every now and then I get a little bit lonely
when you never come around.
Yes.

SPEAKER_07 (01:19:32):
But that is the end of this story that uh I'm gonna
give you, like I said, we I Ithrew Ed and Lorraine in there
because that's a little hint ofthe next couple of three weeks.
We're gonna be talking a littlebit more about them and shit
that they were involved in.
And uh, so yeah, that's the endof my story today.
So, what band are you pluggingin?

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:52):
I'm excited, Lindsay.
Thank you so much, though.
I just wanted to say thank you.

SPEAKER_06 (01:19:55):
You're welcome.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:56):
And we're off to a great thing.
It's gonna be a great fall thisyear, dude.
Cheers.
Oh, cheers.
Cheers to fall.
We got to see some of the leaveschanging up north.

SPEAKER_07 (01:20:06):
And we had to come back to hot ass Florida.

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:10):
Hot and sweaty tits.

SPEAKER_07 (01:20:11):
Yeah.
It was so nice up there.

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:15):
It was a great trip.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:20:17):
I probably wouldn't want to be up there in another
month.

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:19):
Not for living.
I would I think right now wouldhave been perfect to be up
there, but all the touriststuff, you know, I kind of shuts
down.
We we dodged a lot of it.
Some places.
Yeah, we dodged a lot of itbecause right now.

SPEAKER_07 (01:20:30):
Yeah, some of it was shut down, and then some of it
was about to blow up.
Yeah, it's peaking.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:34):
But we're back in Florida, so I gotta play a band
from around here in this area.
I'm allowed to because that'swhat I do.
And this dude at my work, hisname is Squirrel, is what they
call it.
Squirrel.
And he works like M.O.T.
doing like, you know, thepaving, blocking off the
traffic.
God, those dudes, man.

unknown (01:20:52):
Oh.

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:53):
I can tell you a horrific story about MOT.

SPEAKER_07 (01:20:56):
Mm-mm.
Not this time.
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:57):
Next time I'll tell you.

SPEAKER_07 (01:20:59):
Yeah, because we gotta wrap it up.

SPEAKER_05 (01:21:00):
We're going to add a story, Lindsay, about a foot
that was left.

SPEAKER_07 (01:21:04):
Oh my god.
I already know about one storyfrom or the beginning of our
relationship.

SPEAKER_05 (01:21:09):
Foot that was left.
Oh, I'll tell that one later.
We'll tell that one later.
County Road 400 is a countrymusic band.

SPEAKER_06 (01:21:15):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (01:21:16):
Yes, and they're playing all around this area.
Gigs.
Do they have an Instagram?
Yes, check them out.
County Road 400.
Um, so Squirrel's the drummer,but he also does a lot of the
promotions and all that.
He's always sharing his stuff.
Dude's a he's a cool cat, man.
He's just like, hey, check outmy band, man.
And you play music too.

(01:21:36):
So we were talking about music,you know?
And I gave him a drum tuner nottoo long ago.
Chris, my my drummer, had aspare drum tuner.
So I was like, I don't know whatthe fuck to do with this.
So I gave it to him.
He's like, dude, I believe so,yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, so they're they're from thisarea.
Seeing how the weather iscooling off, but we're in

(01:21:59):
Florida.
I want to play this song oftheirs.
It's called I Hate the Beach.
So check it out.

(01:26:47):
Landsey.

SPEAKER_07 (01:26:48):
That was a good jam.
Like, I wouldn't even reallycall that.
I mean, uh if they want to becountry, you'd be whatever you
want to be.
But I would call that a littlebit of rock and roll.

SPEAKER_05 (01:26:57):
It was cool, man.
It was good bar band.
Like, they got good shit.

SPEAKER_07 (01:27:02):
Yeah.
Like, I'm impressed.
Go squirrel and company, man.
Squirreling company.
Yeah, I've met Squirrel.
He's cool as shit.
Yeah, you know.
He's been over here to a coupleof events.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:14):
And I enjoy people putting together music no matter
what it is.
Good shit.

SPEAKER_07 (01:27:20):
We love it.
We love the art.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:22):
I love it.
I love it.
We need to go check that shitout.
Dude.
County Road 400.
Follow them.
If you're in the area, they'redoing gigs and you're gonna have
a great time.

SPEAKER_07 (01:27:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:33):
You're gonna have a great time.

SPEAKER_07 (01:27:34):
Like, I I enjoy that very much.
I love that song.
Yeah, I feel like it's a goodidea.
And even though I love thefucking beach, I love the beach.
Yeah.
But I understand that peoplehate it too.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:43):
But he loves the view.
Yeah.
So it's like he doesn't like thebeach, but he enjoys the view.

SPEAKER_07 (01:27:47):
So it's like, yeah, that was a good twist.
He got sand in places the sandshouldn't be.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:54):
He was enjoying the view.
We love the river and the beach.
Yes.
And I enjoy the view everywhere.
Fuck.
No matter where we go, becausewhere we go is where Lindsay's
at.

SPEAKER_07 (01:28:03):
So wherever we go is Jimsey's at.
Yes.
So all right, guys, make sureyou check out our like I said,
if it's your first episode here,go back and listen to all of our
backlog.
Um rate us, review us, comment.

(01:28:24):
Um, tell us your thoughts onthis case.
Um, I put in our recap episodes.
Tell us your comments on the EdGean story.
Um, not my Ed Gean story, whichis factual, but uh the Ed Gean
story by Ryan Murphy that is onNetflix with Charlie Hunom.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:42):
Oh my god, oh my god, is it Hunum?

SPEAKER_07 (01:28:44):
Is it Hunum or Hunt Hun Hunam?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:47):
That's a crazy story.
I just don't know.
Oh my god, you gotta quit.
It was horrific.
It was it was a line, Lindsay.
It was so much.

SPEAKER_05 (01:28:56):
But hey, last season I was doing challenges so I can
give somebody some merch, but Ithink I found a number one fan.

SPEAKER_07 (01:29:04):
Oh, yeah.
So I want to show let's do someshout-outs.

SPEAKER_05 (01:29:06):
Some shout-outs, but we're not gonna we're gonna say
that that's the number one fan,but we'll do shout-outs.
We'll just do shout outs.

SPEAKER_07 (01:29:12):
So I got we gotta I gotta shout out to my childhood
classmate, Mary Burton, who hasbeen an avid listener from the
beginning.
We love you, girl.
She's she's an army wife, likenumber like diehard fan.
We love you so much.
She shares, likes, and and andtags.
Like she does the work.
Um, then I have some co-workers.
Shout out to Caroline, Bailey,Sierra.

(01:29:36):
You guys are avid listeners.
Um, one of my old managers,Ashley.
She is a great, she's a goodlistener.
She has moved on to anotherstore, but love her, miss her.
And then, of course, my bestieErin.
She's she's listened, she'schecking out the content.
She's loving it.
And um, yeah, like I we love youguys.

SPEAKER_05 (01:29:56):
Shout out to Australia and all the stuff
that's happening over there.
Jenny and L.
Yes.

SPEAKER_07 (01:30:02):
We're excited for updates on Jenny Haynes.
We love you, girl.

SPEAKER_05 (01:30:07):
Shout out to all the listeners in that area.
Uh globally.
Shout out to all the countries.
I don't think we still have madeit to South America yet.
Still the only one?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:30:17):
Oh, shout out to Bruno.
Bruno, she's our girl.
She's listening.

SPEAKER_05 (01:30:21):
Yeah.
Um, they're doing the damnthing.
Yes.

SPEAKER_07 (01:30:24):
And shout out to all you guys who have been here
since the beginning.
Um, like I said, you know, itonly takes a just a couple of
seconds to get us, to get us,keep us in the algorithm of true
crime by giving us a littlereview, getting uh comment on
our stuff, like our content.
If you like it, love it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:30:45):
Yeah.
Subscribe, follow the wholething.
Yeah.
We don't have ads yet, but we'realmost there.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:30:50):
Now, um, if you want to follow us on our personals,
we're Jesse Stanby, LindsayStanby on Facebook, um, and then
on our Instagram, we aredrinkabout something and on
we're doing some TikToks throughmy account, which is named Drink
About Something Pod underscoreLindsay.
And uh where else?

(01:31:12):
What else?

SPEAKER_05 (01:31:13):
The whole website drinkabout something.site also
and it has all the cool stuff.
We're gonna do so much thisseason.
I'm just excited.

SPEAKER_07 (01:31:24):
Yes, we've got a lot lined up.

SPEAKER_05 (01:31:25):
I'm just ready, dude.

SPEAKER_07 (01:31:26):
Like we got some content for you guys.

SPEAKER_05 (01:31:28):
That's a good half-assed palate cleanser of
bullshit that you've let usinto.
And then you got more on top ofthis one.

SPEAKER_07 (01:31:34):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:31:35):
After we went to Lizzie's fucking house, dude.

SPEAKER_07 (01:31:37):
Like and and Ryan Murphy has a series about her
coming out, I think, next year.

SPEAKER_05 (01:31:43):
Yeah.
Right, right.
So everything's tying intothings that are happening right
now.
Um we did the little catfishthing.
Yeah, that was really popularand it's still it's still going
right now.

SPEAKER_07 (01:31:55):
Oh, and guys, so Stranger Things Final Season is
coming up.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:59):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:32:00):
Comment, like, and and and give, you know, send us
an email about what uh if you'reexcited about that, because I'm
fucking excited about it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:07):
We're fixing that to go to Halloween Horror Nights.

SPEAKER_07 (01:32:09):
Oh, yeah, we're going to Halloween Horror Nights
next week.
If you're going to HalloweenHorror Nights Orlando, hit us
up.
Yeah, we can we can link up.
Yes.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:16):
Next Saturday.

SPEAKER_07 (01:32:17):
We'll have a drink and go through a haunted house.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:19):
Is it the 18th or something?

SPEAKER_07 (01:32:20):
Yes, we're going on the 18th.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:21):
Yeah.
So it's like tomorrow.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:32:25):
From the day that this comes out, tomorrow.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:27):
Tomorrow.

SPEAKER_07 (01:32:27):
Yes.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:28):
Yes.
If you're in the uh the uh thearea.

SPEAKER_07 (01:32:31):
The area.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:32):
Yeah.
Hit us up.
Well, uh, come hang, maybe evenhave a a drink and do a haunted
house that Lindsay used to bescared of, but now she doesn't
give a fuck.

SPEAKER_07 (01:32:41):
No, I'm still gonna be scared, but um, because
Universal does it right, likethey scare the shit out of you.
Um, the last one that we wentto, the scariest one for like
all none of the other onesreally scared me other than the
Universal Monsters.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:55):
That was the fucking tits because it made you feel
like you were in a black andwhite movie with them.

SPEAKER_07 (01:33:00):
I was clawing Jesse's back fat.

SPEAKER_05 (01:33:03):
You were, and I'm goofing.
Like, I like to goof.
I don't know why, but I goof ina haunted house.
That's how I get through.

SPEAKER_07 (01:33:09):
And my oldest son was doing the same.
He was talking to himself.
He's like, You're not real,you're not gonna get me with his
SpongeBob book bag.

SPEAKER_05 (01:33:19):
You know, and Florida has some class threes.
One of these days, I want to doa class three, like where they
actually come up and grab youand shit.

SPEAKER_07 (01:33:27):
I don't want to be touched.
I will fight.

SPEAKER_05 (01:33:28):
I want to do a class three.

SPEAKER_07 (01:33:30):
I don't want somebody to touch me because I
have I don't want to hurt them.
Uh I will fight you.

SPEAKER_05 (01:33:33):
Haunted houses and things, dude.
I used to I I used to ohLindsay's been in them with
created, and that was just fun.
And I I always come up with likeideas and conspiracies and and
how to hold your hands the rightway.
And then what was the thing?
I the the the gallon jug withthe rocks fucked everybody up,
made people wet themselves.
Wow.
Literally.
I come out there with a paintedgallon milk jug with rocks in

(01:33:57):
it.
Way scarier than going boo.

SPEAKER_07 (01:34:00):
I was the tour guide of two haunted trails out at
Jesse's mom's property.
And the first year I was awitch.
The second year I was a clownbecause we did a whole clown, we
did a whole circus thing.
Haunted circus.
Haunted carnival, yeah.
Haunted carnival.
Yeah.
And um, and I was pregnant withour with our boy, and um, so it
was perfect for me.
And um we had a good time.
Oh, we had a truck, a ice bigold ice cream truck in the city.

(01:34:23):
And we had a crowd, we had a lotof people come through that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:34:26):
Yeah, we got really busy.
We do that like three weekendsor something.
Uh the first weekend wasn't thatmuch.
The the other two weekends wasblow the fuck up.
We knew how to put it together.
It was great.
We were like three.

SPEAKER_07 (01:34:37):
Yeah, we had uh we also put like Mary Shaw in that
one, we put um Carrie in thatone, along with the whole clown
clown theme.
My kids were participants, ourfamily.
It was it was a good time.

SPEAKER_05 (01:34:49):
Epic, epic.
But um, hope you guys have agreat Halloween, great fall
season, and we will see you guysnext Friday.
Yes, and check us out.
We also do things on Wednesday,and I think we got something
going on.

SPEAKER_07 (01:35:02):
Well, so uh well this it'll have already passed,
but make sure you check out ourrecap of Lizzie Borden that
happened on Wednesday, and thenour the recap of our nine-day
road trip on Thursday.

SPEAKER_05 (01:35:13):
The whole trip up and back.
We talked about that forever.
That was great, though.

SPEAKER_07 (01:35:16):
And we also featured our clothing that we got from my
my sweatshirt from JenniferTurpin, and uh which is uh Don's
Designs, uh, and uh your t-shirtfrom Aaron Goodwin, which is Big
Steppin' Big Step.
Big Steppin'.com.
But we'll see you guys though.

SPEAKER_05 (01:35:33):
Check us out.
We love you so much too.
Yes, that's what we need.
We need shares, and I said I waslike we need likes and shares
and followers.
The most shares and likes thatsomebody does and they prove it,
and they're like, dude, I didall this and I got all your fans
and followers.
I'll send you some stuff too.
Because I want to send outmerch.
I got merch, I want to send itout.
So yes, but we'll see you guysthen, though.

SPEAKER_07 (01:35:51):
See you next week.
Bye.

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