EPISODE 55: The Warrens part 2

Ever notice how the most famous hauntings get louder the moment a camera shows up? We grab a cold seltzer, shake off a brutal post‑Halloween fog, and trace three headline‑making cases—Enfield, the Smurls, and the Snedekers—while testing each story against timing, incentives, and the thin line between fear and folklore. It’s part road trip through late‑70s and 80s paranormal culture, part reality check on what happens when grief, adolescence, and a house with bad wiring collide with a media machine hungry for the next big scare.

We start in Enfield, where knocks, thrown toys, and a “levitating” photograph pushed a struggling family into the spotlight. Society for Psychical Research camped out for months, the Warrens breezed through for a day, and a jump shot became cinema canon. From there, we head to Pennsylvania, where the Smurl haunting builds from odd smells to sensational claims and a neighborhood overrun by onlookers. Skeptics flagged sewage, wiring, and possible hallucinations while promised tapes never surfaced—an uncomfortable reminder that the scariest part of a haunting can be the crowd outside your window.

Finally, we sit with the Snedeker story: a sick teen in a former funeral home, whispers and cold rooms, an exorcism the church wouldn’t confirm, and a coauthor later calling the book a hoax. Along the way, we open the file on Ed and Lorraine Warren beyond the movies: their quick cameos turned into sweeping ownership of these narratives, and later allegations cast shadows over the brand they guarded. The pattern is hard to miss—escalation, publicity, profit—and it raises sharper questions than any EVP: who’s being helped, who’s being harmed, and who’s cashing in?

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Hi, Jesse.
Hi, Lindsay.
I don't know why that came outlike that, but here we are.
Hi.
Hello.

SPEAKER_06 (00:11):
How the hell are you?
How the hell is everybody?

SPEAKER_01 (00:15):
Yes.
Happy post-Halloween.
Um, I'm just gonna say we uh wedid the thing.

SPEAKER_06 (00:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (00:23):
And we are half dead today.

SPEAKER_06 (00:26):
We're feeling it.
We're feeling it.

SPEAKER_01 (00:28):
Yes.
But we still um got our assesout and took our kid to the
fair.
Kid and grandbabies had a greattime.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (00:36):
Yeah.
Little fall festivals.

SPEAKER_01 (00:38):
Little fall, yes.
And uh, but we have been uhwe've been funky all day.

SPEAKER_06 (00:44):
Hung over.

SPEAKER_01 (00:46):
Very hungover, very gut hurt.
Don't even know how we got therebecause I don't think we really
overdid anything.
We did, we just didn't realizewe did.
So after the trick-or-treatingwas had, we had a little fire in
the backyard with friends andand and of age children, and we
uh we did some stuff.

(01:06):
Next thing I knew, I was umhurling and peeing on myself.
Jesse wanted me to make sure Isaid that.
That was what made me feel oldthis week.
Really?
Because while I was hurling, Ipeed on myself.
I love it.
Because I had to pee.

SPEAKER_06 (01:25):
You share so much with everybody, and I'm lovely.
It's lovely.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30):
So I went to go to the bathroom to go pee, but I
didn't make it to pee.
I had to throw up, which rarelyhappens to me, where I have
drank myself to, especially withseltzers.
Like I can, it's like bottomlessuh my limits on there, but
obviously not.

SPEAKER_06 (01:48):
And I guess with like all the kids that were
coming and we're handing outcandy, and there's just so much
going on, like while we're doingthat, we're like we're we're
just kind of just having a greattime.
Yes.
So we're knocking them back andnot even noticing.
Throw away.
We're watching the movie, we gota projector going on, watching a
movie, hanging out in the peopleare stopping by and stuffing.

(02:10):
So many people we hadn't seen inyears or or a while, anyhow.

SPEAKER_01 (02:13):
And it's and then relatives, yeah, friends, and
that's the thing.

SPEAKER_06 (02:17):
And then you you just don't notice that you know
you're not in your 20s or 30sanymore.

SPEAKER_01 (02:23):
So, yeah, so I I I I puked, I peed, and uh had to
shower, and then I was in bed.
I don't know what happened tothe rest of the house, but I
went to bed.

SPEAKER_06 (02:33):
Yeah.
So we're uh we're taking it easythough.
Like I just have uh Vista Bay.

SPEAKER_01 (02:38):
Yeah, we're just having a couple of seltzers,
yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (02:40):
Lindsay's got a little peach over there.

SPEAKER_01 (02:42):
I'll tell you how bad we were, you guys.
We shared a bloody marry todayand didn't even finish it.

SPEAKER_06 (02:49):
Yeah.
That was yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I don't I really don't thinkthat we really went too crazy.
It's just I don't know whathappened.
I guess maybe with theexcitement and just being tired
or something old.
Yeah, we did.

SPEAKER_01 (03:04):
We so he went to work and I went hard.
Like I got up, I made 10 poundsof taco meat, some rice, got all
the fixings and stuff ready togo, cleaned the house, did the
shower, got us ready, and thenthen it was time to pass out
candy.
There was just no stopping.
And I think that's whathappened.

SPEAKER_06 (03:21):
Right.
Me closing out the month andeverything at work, and then
trying to get all that wrappedup.
As soon as I got home, it's likewide open.
Open.

SPEAKER_01 (03:27):
It's like, yeah, we put in two days worth of work.

SPEAKER_06 (03:30):
What made me feel old though was literally looking
at everybody that's pulling upand seeing them as being kids,
but they have kids.
So that's what made me feel old.
Yes.
But we're here and we're gonnado the damn thing.
We're gonna kick this off.
Yes.
Hope you had a great Halloweenand happy Friday.
Welcome to November.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (04:22):
Baby, you don't shave.
Oh.

SPEAKER_06 (04:24):
I just I'm not going.

SPEAKER_01 (04:27):
But hey, listen, really quick, here's uh here's a
little assignment for youlisteners.
So, you know, like I said, Iwoke up feeling like shit,
doo-doo, boo-boo, all thethings.
Um, had Jesse go get Sprite.
Oh, because I woke up and threwup too a couple times.
Um, and that was after takingcharcoal, you know.
But uh, so we got Sprite, Idrank the pickle juice, we got

(04:51):
the fast great fast food, greasyburgers, greasy fries, did all
the things to try and get overthis feeling, this this
hangover.
We need to be so I want you guyscomment to us what some of your
remedies are.
And um, so maybe we can if weever expect like I said, that's
this don't really happen to us.
We don't get we don't go thathard.

(05:12):
No.
And we didn't even know we wenthard.
And we didn't realize it, yeah.
You know, but we were at home,we were loving life, and it just
great times, great atmosphere,and just kept knocking them
back.

SPEAKER_06 (05:23):
Yeah, so welcome to learning about the softer side
of uh partaking in alcohol.

SPEAKER_01 (05:30):
Let us know some of your hangover remedies.
And hey, if this is your firstepisode, welcome.
Um, but we do have uh what isthis, episode 55?
I'm like, yeah, and um and we'vecovered things from uh Reggie
and Carol Sumner, um BernieTita, Danny Rowling, oh god,

(05:51):
Eileen Warnos and uh GabbyPetito.
So go back, check out ourbacklog.
And today we are doing part, orwe're finishing up our coverage
on the Warrens.
Now we've had, you know, we'vetalked about a lot of the cases
that they are involved in.
And then last week we deep doveinto a little bit about who they

(06:15):
are.
And this is part two.
We're gonna talk about a fewmore cases that they were a part
of and profited heavily from andwrap up all of all of the Warren
shenanigans.
Finally out.

SPEAKER_06 (06:27):
Yes, now you have this song in my head.

SPEAKER_01 (06:29):
I'm tired of being with them.
I can't get it out of it.
I'm tired of hanging out withthese guys, man.

SPEAKER_06 (06:32):
I can't drive 55.
That's episode 55.

SPEAKER_01 (06:35):
So yeah.
55 knew exactly where you weregoing.
Yeah.
All right, so have we coveredeverything so far that we
usually do in the intro?
Because like I said, we arefeeling bit.

SPEAKER_06 (06:50):
Yeah.
I think we've covered it all.
We talked about we were old.
Lindsay, she does tell thesestories that I don't really know
much about.

SPEAKER_01 (06:58):
That's right.

SPEAKER_06 (06:59):
Most of the time, nothing.
So, and I'm just here, here toride the wave.

SPEAKER_01 (07:03):
He plugs an usually an absolutely fantastic band at
the end that he does.
We do have permission to playthese bands.
So, no copyright infringementhere.

SPEAKER_06 (07:13):
Wasn't that last band amazing?

SPEAKER_01 (07:15):
I loved her.
I shouted her out on Facebooktoo.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (07:19):
Um, shout out again to Xanthia and check that stuff
out.
All of it.
It's really good music.

SPEAKER_01 (07:26):
Yes.
And uh, real quick, and we'lljust say it at the top.
We'll say it again at the end.
Follow us on all of our socials.
You can go todrinkaboutsomething.site to find
all those little um littleplugs, and then you can follow
us on our personal socials,Jesse Stanbah, Lindsay Stanbah.

SPEAKER_06 (07:43):
Yeah, and look us up on YouTube, Gen Z the Stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (07:46):
That is J-E-N-D-S-E-Y.
It is our names put together.
Yes, we're stupidly cute likethat.
Actually, my bestie JoJo gave usthat name.
Yeah.
And she named our house, GenCesterton Fieldville.
Yeah.
She gave us all the Gen C.
We owe Jojo everything.

SPEAKER_06 (08:01):
Everything.

SPEAKER_01 (08:01):
Everything.

SPEAKER_06 (08:02):
You got some cool ass besties.

SPEAKER_01 (08:04):
I do.
I really do.
Love them so much.

SPEAKER_06 (08:07):
My bestie showed up for Halloween.

SPEAKER_01 (08:08):
Yes, we weren't expecting her, and it was a nice
surprise.
Because I I lit I was going tothe bathroom at that point.
I came out, and there wasAmanda.

SPEAKER_06 (08:16):
And it's a whole party.

SPEAKER_01 (08:16):
And it was a whole party.
That's what happened.
We're probably a lot.

SPEAKER_06 (08:20):
Probably.
Yeah.
Blame it.
Blame it on Amanda.

SPEAKER_01 (08:23):
All right.
So today we're going to go overto Enfield London.
We're going to we're going tohang out with the Hodge.
Uh, hold on.
Let me make sure.
It's Hodgson.
Yeah, Hodgson family.
So Peggy Hodgson was astruggling single mother of four
who had recently gone through avery bitter divorce.

(08:43):
She was living in governmenthousing and had lived on welfare
and child support for some time.
She had lived in this house for12 years when she was married
and everything.
Um so it seemed like, like evenwhen she was made, like the
husband, there's not really alot about him, but it will seem
like they were just, you know,they were just hard, hard, hard

(09:05):
up, you know, folks.

SPEAKER_06 (09:06):
They went through it, so now they're going through
it.

SPEAKER_01 (09:08):
They went through it and then they are going through
it even deeper.
Yeah.
Yeah, we'll put it, we'll saythat.
So her children were Margaret,Janet, Johnny, and Billy.
And this family would experiencesome poltergeist activity from
1977 to 1979.

SPEAKER_06 (09:26):
So come to the light, Carol Ann.

SPEAKER_01 (09:28):
Yeah, and you know, I meant, and oh, I'm so mad at
myself.
I meant to look up what thedifference between a demon and a
poltergeist is, but isn't it oneand the same?
Don't they feed off likeelectricity or something like
that?
Is it electrical?

SPEAKER_06 (09:44):
Entity like a uh an object like that that's
possessed that pulls you in.
Okay.
Instead of a human that's butI'm really mad at myself.

SPEAKER_01 (09:52):
Like I'm mentally noted all week long to do that,
to have like the absolutedefinition of it, and then I
didn't do it, and I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_06 (09:59):
Yeah, in contrast of the poltergeist movie, it was
you know like a TV and shit,right?

SPEAKER_01 (10:03):
So I think it's like a well, Beetlejuice was a
poltergeist.

SPEAKER_06 (10:07):
Oh, yeah, he was.
Well, fuck.
We need to check that out.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (10:13):
We need to know the differences that maybe it's that
they can possess things, andmaybe that's it.

SPEAKER_06 (10:19):
Yeah, it makes sense.
Hey Google.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (10:21):
What is a poltergeist?
So it's a noisy ghost, or it'soh, so it's from the German for
noisy ghost.
It's a spirit or a supernaturalforce in folklore, known for
physical disturbance like loudnoises, moving objects, or
destruction.

(10:42):
It is usually not a visibleghost.
Okay.
Well, Beetlejuice was.

SPEAKER_03 (10:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (10:50):
But uh, but only to Lydia, really, because he just
did everything else.
Oh no, you've seen him.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, I've seen them.
I mean, it's definitely afictional movie, but yeah,
whatever.
All right, so in August 1977,seemingly out of nowhere, the
Hodgson kids, mostly Janet,started to experience shuffling

(11:14):
noises, loud knocking, furnituremoving on its own, shoes and
toys being thrown, beds shaking,and Janet, who was 11, just like
David Glatzel, she was she wouldbecome uh possessed by the
previous tenant named Joe.

(11:34):
This would become one of themost famous and documented
hauntings in the UK.
Now, around this time the wholething started, the family was
experiencing very hard times.
One of the boys was attending aboarding school for like
troubled kids.

(11:54):
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
And um, sometimes they wentwithout certain utilities
because of lack of money.
And Peggy was afraid that shewas going to be deemed an unfit
mother.
Like they were going through it.
Through it, yeah.
Also, at this time, their fatherhad started dating another

(12:15):
younger woman, and he was barelycoming around to see his kids.
Peggy and the children alikestarted to have some pretty
salty feelings towards theirabsent daddy.
Like it was all the drama.
All the drama.

SPEAKER_06 (12:29):
All the stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (12:30):
Now, Peggy did seem to have a seemingly wholesome
support, though.
Um, like her brother lived rightdown the road, right down.
Like, if you look up the housingcomplex Aaron, he like lived
like nine down.

SPEAKER_03 (12:42):
Oh, okay.
Nine doors down.

SPEAKER_01 (12:44):
Yes, he lived nine doors down, literally.
And then he uh they were reallygood friends with their
neighbors, uh, the Nottinghams.
Isn't that cool?

SPEAKER_04 (12:54):
Yeah, not a Nottingham.

SPEAKER_01 (12:58):
The Nottinghams would also say that they
experienced some of thepoltergeist shenanigans.
And unlike the other cases sofar, there was even police
witness and documentation.
I'm inclined to believe.

SPEAKER_06 (13:14):
Huh?
I'm still singing the Not inNottingham song from Oh, did you
hear me though?
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (13:20):
What did I say?

SPEAKER_06 (13:21):
You said stuff, but my brain was on not in Nam.

SPEAKER_01 (13:23):
I know, but I need you to pay attention to that.
Police witnessed they witnessedit.
Poltergeist.
Well, allegedly.
Yeah.
And documented it.

SPEAKER_06 (13:32):
Allegedly.

SPEAKER_01 (13:32):
Allegedly.
So two paranormal investigatorsfrom the Society for Psychical
Research named Guy Playfair andMaurice Gross came to study the
house and the family, like thewhole family for 19 months.
19 months.
Dang.
And Maurice's story was prettysad on its own.

(13:54):
Um, he had lost his daughter theyear before in a motorcycle
accident, and her name wasJanet, also.

SPEAKER_06 (14:00):
Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_01 (14:02):
So this case would be widespread in the media,
which gained attention from ourfriends.
I don't know if I want to callthem friends.
Ed and Lorraine Warren.
We gotta get over there.

SPEAKER_04 (14:12):
Holy shit.

SPEAKER_01 (14:13):
Yes.
So, and it what's crazy is theirinvolvement in this case was
very tiny.
Like they went over for a day.
Lorraine did someclairvoyancing, and then they
were gone.

SPEAKER_06 (14:26):
Wow.

SPEAKER_01 (14:27):
Had to get up in the mix, though.
But there's a whole movie aboutthis in their universe, The
Conjuring 2 is about this story.
Oh.
After interviewing and recordingJanet for some time, it came to
seem like Joe, who was a grownman that had possessed Janet,
would swear a lot.

(14:48):
But swearing that didn't reallymake any sense.
Like that of a child who wasjust trying to get away with
cussing.

SPEAKER_06 (14:54):
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Using that for that.

SPEAKER_01 (14:58):
Now it would come out of Janet in a deep, ghoulish
voice, but still spoke like an11-year-old girl.
You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 (15:07):
Yeah, so far, nobody speaking in either other
languages yet.

SPEAKER_01 (15:11):
Yeah.
The speech and the sense of aman was was not coming out.
It was just in the voice of aman.
You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 (15:21):
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (15:22):
So she was still it it was Janet.

SPEAKER_06 (15:25):
It was her.

SPEAKER_01 (15:26):
It was her.
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (15:27):
She was just using that so she could say some shit
and be kind of a a talent.

SPEAKER_01 (15:32):
And Joe, the poltergeist also had quite the
obsession with questions aboutmenstruation and puberty.
Just like um an 11-year-old girlwould.

SPEAKER_06 (15:46):
You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 (15:46):
Are you are you catching what I'm putting on?

SPEAKER_06 (15:48):
She's going through she's going through the change
and she's uh she's using all ofthat for you know being able to
get away with it.
That's what I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_01 (15:57):
And what's weird too, I mean, this poltergeist
quotations um would also includeuh like to play with shit.
Oh, playing with the poo-poos.
Yeah, play with the poo-poo.
Oh Joe liked to play with poopand put it on the walls.
You're playing with the mookystinks over here, I'm gonna come

(16:18):
on.
Joe.
Now, Joe would also might liketo make Janet levitate.
But Janet was an excellentgymnast, and most of her
levitating would only be donebehind closed doors.
Now there is a picture taken,and I'm gonna show Jesse really
quick just so he knows, and I'mgonna put it in our stories.
But you tell me if this lookslike levitation or just some

(16:41):
jumping.
That's just somebody jumped inthe air.
Exactly.
That's Janet, by the way.

SPEAKER_06 (16:47):
Don't see anything crazy there, just somebody
jumped and they took a picture.

SPEAKER_01 (16:50):
It's just Janet jumping in the air.
Exactly.
Yeah, you know, you are kind oflevitation, levitating.
Uh, so this case was consideredmostly a hoax, pranks by
children of divorce who weregoing through a lot.
And that's really sad to mebecause Maurice Gross, he

(17:12):
reminded me a lot of um, youknow, I came home one night and
I was like, I really want towatch Casper.
He reminded me of Kat's dad.
Like he was trying to find hisdaughter through this case.
You know what I mean?
He was that's why he gotinvolved with this whole um the
psychical research andeverything is because he was
just he went, ugh, it broke myheart.

(17:34):
I do want all these cases thatI'm just sprinkling through.
I'm gonna do a deep dive whenwhen you have forgotten about
them, because there's a lot moreto talk about.

SPEAKER_06 (17:44):
That way it's new fresh for me.
New and fresh, yeah.
So if somebody's levitating,like you gotta think gravity
right there.

SPEAKER_01 (17:50):
Well, most people that levitate, it's just
straight up.
That's a clearly a knee-bitjump.

SPEAKER_06 (17:55):
Well, her hair's like still going the other way,
so it's like she forced herselfin the air.
If you're levitating, you youyou levitate in the air, you're
not forcing anything, right?
You can see that right there inthat picture, right?
It's like you jump and you seeyour hair where it's moving up
still from the force or if youwere being levitated by an

(18:15):
entity, everything wouldprobably still be in place.
Be calm, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (18:19):
But I don't know, we've never laid it levitated,
so we can't give a firsthandexperience on that.

SPEAKER_06 (18:24):
If they call that levitating, then you know, yeah,
okay.

SPEAKER_01 (18:28):
All right, so next we're gonna go over to the
devout Catholic Smurle family inWest Pitson, Pennsylvania.
This family consisted of Jackand Janet, another Janet, their
two daughters, Dawn and Heather,and then Jack's parents, John
and Mary.

(18:50):
Well, Jack and Janet had bothworked at Topps Chewing Gum, and
that's where they met and theyfell in love and they got
married.
Well, then Janet became astay-at-home mom when her when
the girls were born.
So they moved in with John andMary to save money to buy a
house.

SPEAKER_06 (19:06):
That's awesome.
Isn't that where they have likethe baseball cards with the
chewing gum?
Tops.
I think so.
Yeah.
Fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (19:12):
Yeah.
I you know, I didn't look thatup either.
That was another mental note.
It was it was a crazy week.
It was a crazy week.
Researching all this, gettingSilas school done, getting the
house ready for Halloween.
It was just, it was a lot.
Well, we nailed it though.
Yes, we nailed it.
So uh in 1972, Hurricane Agnescame through and tore up the

(19:33):
East Coast, and they had to moveto a new home in August of 73.
They found a duplex to buy forabout$10,000.
So Jack, Janet, and the girlswould be on one side, and then
John and Mary were gonna be onthe other.
And as soon as they moved in, assoon as they moved in, weird

(19:54):
shit started happening.
Okay, here we go again.
It started with a recurringstain in a rug that just would
not go away, no matter how manytimes Janet cleaned it.
Then the TV and the electricalstove caught on fire as well as
Jack's brand new car.

(20:15):
Holy shit.
Yeah.
Well, they wrote these eventsoff as like first-time home
homeowner issues.
I don't know what the car hasgot to do with that, but you
know, I I don't know.
Maybe he's also a first-time carowner.

SPEAKER_06 (20:31):
Maybe, maybe that's very fucking weird.

SPEAKER_01 (20:35):
Well, um, they installed a new bathtub and
sink, and all of a sudden, hugescratch marks appear.
Mm-hmm.
But that just could have beenshoddy.
Shoddy installation.
In 1975, Dawn, the oldestdaughter, she would begin coming
into her parents' bedroom atnight to tell them that people

(20:58):
were floating in her room.
But they wouldn't see anythingwhen they went in there.

SPEAKER_06 (21:04):
So So here in fucking lies again, you're
witnessing all this shit happen,and if it's genuine, I would
have been the fuck out of there.
Right.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (21:13):
Well, they didn't see the floating people.
Uh, but they had, like I said,um, you know, mysterious
scratches on their tub and sink,which I said, so it was known
that John and Jack kind of didall the remodeling and rewiring
and all that shit themselves.
It might have just fucked upquite a bit.

SPEAKER_03 (21:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (21:34):
Probably.

SPEAKER_01 (21:35):
Like I said, they wouldn't see the people floating
in her room.
Um, but she would she would keepcoming back and saying, you
know, there's floating.
Other strange things wouldhappen, like drawers opening on
their own, phantom footsteps inthe night, all kind of stuff.
All the stuff that we've alreadytalked about.

(21:55):
In 1977, Janet had a set of twingirls.
So now they've got four kids.
Uh, these girls were Shannon andKaren.
And, you know, life went on, butstill small, strange occurrences
would happen.
Nothing that they were crazyalarmed about.
And so that was 77 when she hadthe girls.

(22:17):
So now we're jumping into 1983.
Oh wow.
The family would start to smellsmoke and rotten meat all the
time.
And they could not get rid ofthe smell.
They couldn't air it out.
They couldn't, you know, whatwhat what clean and supplies do
you have?
They couldn't Mr.
Clean it away.
What else was big?
What was another big clean andcomet?

(22:38):
Comet barkeeper's friend.

SPEAKER_06 (22:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (22:42):
Uh pine saw.
Pine saw's been around forever.
Forever.
Yeah.
Yes.
And that would pine saw willkill some odor.
Okay.
Now, Jack said all of thisstarted when he was praying one
night and he had his rosary inhis hand.
They've been in this house forquite some time now.

SPEAKER_06 (22:58):
And all of a sudden, some shit starts happening
again.
That's weird.

SPEAKER_01 (23:02):
When you're holding rosary beads.
Right.
Okay.
Well, they just kind of acceptedthe fact that they did indeed
live in a haunted house.
And they kept going on withlife.
Well, in 1985, Janet would hearher name being called by someone
who wasn't there.

SPEAKER_00 (23:18):
Janet.

unknown (23:20):
Janet.

SPEAKER_00 (23:21):
Janet wasn't there.
Janet.
Janet wasn't there.
To take me to the fair.
To change my underwear.
See if she doesn't.

SPEAKER_01 (23:36):
Yeah.
Silas is obsessed with AustinPower movies, so they are fresh
on the brain right now.
So then one of the girls wasthrown down the stairs.
Here we go.
By someone who wasn't there.
What fucking hell?

SPEAKER_06 (23:52):
Janet wasn't there.
I wouldn't have been there nomore.

SPEAKER_01 (23:56):
The family dog was thrown against the wall.
Their mattresses would shake.
And Jack Smurl, he was sexuallyassaulted by what he would
describe as a succubus.

SPEAKER_06 (24:11):
Okay.
So, like some kind of a femalesomething or other getting on
him.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (24:15):
And Mary would say that she saw the shape of a man
come through the wall to theirside of the duplex.
Now that's the mother.
She's on the other side, but shesaid she saw a dude just walk
through the wall one day.

SPEAKER_06 (24:30):
So they're confused now.
Yeah.
So gender, gender confusion.
Like they don't know what kindof ghost it is, right?

SPEAKER_01 (24:38):
Right.
So now it's time to address thesituation.
They got a priest to come blessthe house, but as we've seen in
all these cases so far, itdidn't help.
So Janet gets a call from herfriend Carla, who refers her to
a professor at a college inScranton.
And that professor refers her tothe Warrens.

(25:05):
Now this was 1986, and Ed andLorraine had, of course, been
very popular for years now.
And they had they had a team,they got priests, they're on
lectures, they're doing, I mean,they are everywhere.
Everywhere that there is aninkling of paranormal, they just
pop up.

(25:26):
Like instead of like a goodneighbor, Steve Farm is there.

SPEAKER_06 (25:30):
Oh.
So if we say like a goodneighbor, the Warrens are there,
they're gonna pop up.
Really?

SPEAKER_01 (25:37):
Like a good neighbor, the Warrens are there.
Well, they're dead now.

SPEAKER_06 (25:42):
That would be even better.
That's more off authentic.

SPEAKER_01 (25:45):
That is more authentic, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (25:46):
I think if we say that three times, maybe.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (25:50):
So first, uh Father Al, a priest that they would
constantly tie their name tountil he kindly said, please
stop.
He came in and was like, Icannot conclusively say that
there's anything here, and thenwanted nothing more to do with
the case or the Warrens.

(26:11):
Then the Warrens came to theSmurls to give them their
initial interview of what youknow what would have caused
these problems, and uh broughttheir personal priest, Father
McKenna, who would perform theexorcisms.
And you can Google him, and itliterally like shows you what

(26:31):
exorcisms he has performed.
I thought that was.
Yeah, he's got a wrap sheet.
So Ed brought all theessentials.
He brought the holy water, theholy oil, a crucifix, and said,
upon the first visit, thetemperature in the house dropped
like 30 degrees, and a dark massformed.

SPEAKER_06 (26:52):
Don't do that again.
Yeah, you kind of scared me onthat one.

SPEAKER_01 (26:56):
Well, Lorraine and her now fellow medium, Rosemary,
said that the Smurls had threeghosts stretched, stinky, and
fat soap.
No, I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_06 (27:08):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (27:09):
I told y'all I watched Cat's smell of crime.
Oh my god, I love those guys.

SPEAKER_06 (27:15):
Yes.
That's the kind of ghost weneed.

SPEAKER_01 (27:18):
Yes, Casper's a vibe.
That Whipstaff Manor, that housewas insane.
Do I want one?
I know.
I will, I mean, the wholereason.
So uh, you know, Maurice Grossreminded me of Kat's Dad, and
then I saw a picture of thehouse in on TikTok one night,
and I was like, I gotta watchCasper, like right now.
It's meant meant to be.
And then I finished it the nextmorning.

SPEAKER_06 (27:40):
So much DNA for us.

SPEAKER_01 (27:41):
We oh yeah, Casper.

SPEAKER_06 (27:43):
And then you walk, you walked by him too, and you
were like, oh my God.

SPEAKER_01 (27:46):
So of course, I mean, any girl that is my age or
maybe a little older or even alittle younger, you know that
when uh Devin Sawa says to Kat,Can I keep you?
That was just it.
That was it for us.
I was 12 when that movie cameout.
That was a big deal for me.
And then I saw him.

SPEAKER_06 (28:05):
And Susie said that you're like Spook Allah.

SPEAKER_01 (28:10):
That I'm feeling.
No, I saw him at Spook Allah andJesse's like, Lindsay, I will
pay for your meet and greet.
And I was like, No, I can't doit.
You were so scared.
I was.
I was like, God.
But we watched the panel that wewatched the panel that he was
on, so I got to watch him inaction.
Yeah.
I got to watch him talk, and hestill looks very good.

(28:30):
He's he's a very blessed man.
Oh.
Yes, he's so cute.
Cutie p tootie.
I have a picture.
I have a stalker picture.

SPEAKER_06 (28:37):
I don't think I have anybody like that for me.
Um maybe Alicia Silverstone.
Yeah.
That's about it.

SPEAKER_01 (28:44):
Yeah, I had a crush on her.

SPEAKER_06 (28:45):
Well, I kind of had a crush on Jewel.
You know, for some reason.
She's so cute.
And then uh Mo from Guts onNickelodeon.
I don't know why.
With her British accent, I justlove me some Mo from Guts.
So it was uh it was a kid's showwhere they did like um, you
know, like trying to get to theaggro crag, which was this

(29:06):
mountain, you know, and if youclimb the mountain, I don't
think I ever watched that.
Yeah, it was really it's kind oflike gladiators for kids type
thing.

SPEAKER_01 (29:12):
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (29:12):
Yeah, it was called guts, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (29:14):
So they didn't play with guts, but you had to have
guts to do some of the shit thatwas on there.
Okay.
I never watched that.

SPEAKER_05 (29:19):
Physical challenges, you know, and Mo would be like,
right now they're gonna have torun around the track and they
gotta do this and that, and allthe things.
And I'm all like, look at Mo.

SPEAKER_06 (29:27):
And he's like, take it away, Moe.
You know, the announcer guy.
Yeah.
For some reason, I just thoughtshe was a really beautiful
woman, Alan.
So Mo is probably more on thenumber one, but just I don't
even never even follow on neverseen the woman again.
So I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (29:41):
Mo and Alicia Silver.
Yeah, I've I've never thoughtabout is it Devin Sawa or Sawa?
Tell me, listeners.

SPEAKER_06 (29:48):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (29:49):
Anyway, I've never thought about him again until we
went to that Spucala.

SPEAKER_06 (29:52):
I don't even know if Mo was was British or Australian
or South African or whatever.
I don't know where she wasactually.

SPEAKER_01 (30:00):
Later.

SPEAKER_06 (30:00):
Yeah.
Just for you.
Yeah, okay.
We'll watch episodes of gutslater on the kids running around
doing shit that we could neverimagine.
That's so cool at our age.
Holy shit.
No.

SPEAKER_01 (30:09):
Okay, so but for real though, one of these uh
ghosts was an old senile woman,and she was she wasn't a threat.
But one was a dangerous, youngerwoman, so that must have been
the succubus.
And then one was a man with amustache who was also dangerous.

SPEAKER_06 (30:28):
He looked like a man.

SPEAKER_01 (30:29):
He looked like a man.
But then they found a diamond inthe closet.
And that demon was sent todestroy the family.

SPEAKER_03 (30:38):
Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_01 (30:38):
So they got four entities in here, three are
ghosts, one's a demon.
Because you know, apparentlythere's a difference.
Ed said that the girls who werereaching puberty was the one
giving the demon energy and hadattached itself and was growing
stronger and stronger.
Ew, Ed.
How they how are they gonna theyhave the whole thing?

(31:00):
I mean, honestly, he's not theonly one that said that.
That is a thing.
They say that children reachingthe age of puberty is what fuels
poltergeist, demons, and ghosts.
I I that is fucking weird to me.

SPEAKER_06 (31:13):
He's not the only one.
Emotionally distraught andtrying to go through a change of
I guess so.
I don't know.
Grown-upness or whatever, butthey had a whole salad of
everdamn body there.
Incubuses and succubuses anddemons and poltergeist and oh.

SPEAKER_01 (31:28):
Wait till I talk about the last family.
Okay, but anyway.
So of course the Warrens wereuh, you know, they encouraged
them to go public, and thiscaused mass media attention.
And along with hundreds ofpeople outside their house
waiting for something paranormalto happen so they can see.

(31:48):
And guess who came over to thehouse?
Who showed up for a visit?
Oh, who?
Come on.
Jason Miller, who played FatherDamien in The Exorcist.
Really?
He lived in Scranton.

SPEAKER_06 (31:59):
Oh, yeah.
So he's like, I'm gonna comecheck this shit out.

SPEAKER_01 (32:08):
Sorry, The Office.
It's always on repeat in thishouse at some point.
Like right now, I'm doing uhWill and Grace, but then it'll
be Parks and Wreck again.
Yeah, I got some Brooklyn 99going too.
Those are my falling asleepshows when I I'm not ready to
really fall asleep.
I want to watch something.
My ass is passed.
Yeah, he's out, he's gone.
I'm gone.

(32:29):
So um, no real paranormalactivity was ever seen by anyone
but the Smurls and the Warrens.
Now, Ed said that he had proof.
He had video and audio proof.
But when he was asked to showthe proof, he always had an
excuse.
Always.

SPEAKER_06 (32:50):
That's what we were asking last time.
I want proof.
I want all if they have all thatsomewhere, where's it at?

SPEAKER_01 (32:57):
Well, it was, I mean, there was lit, like he
came up with so many differentexcuses.
Like said, I'm gonna wait tillyou forget all about this and
we're gonna deep dive.
All of these families are gonnabe full episodes next year
sometime because there's somemore wild shit, but like I said,
I'm just kind of overviewing.

SPEAKER_03 (33:13):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (33:14):
So another priest, he stayed in the house for two
nights, like lived there, andnothing.
Now the neighbors got pissed offat all the media attention, and
even Janet Smurl was like, okay,I've had enough.
Like people were climbing theirwindows.
I mean, like, you know, totalinvasion of privacy, just like
what had happened to the familythat moved into the Amityville

(33:36):
house after the Luxes moved out.
Yeah.
They had to change the address.
Right.
And after Janet had enough, allof a sudden, just like that,
there wasn't any more activity.
The same with all the rest ofthem.
Right.
Yeah.
Now, Paul Kurtz, who was thechairman of the Committee for
the Scientific Investigation ofClaims of the Paranormal, or CSI

(33:59):
COP, he wanted to investigatethe house because he saw a
familiar pattern that had formedaround a lot of the hauntings
that the Warrens would be calledto investigate.
People are picking up on theirgame.
They're picking up on it.
Yeah, your game.
Uh, of course, he was deniedinvestigation by the Warren
Warrens and the Smurrels.

(34:20):
I guess it was said that likethey had made arrangements with
Janet for him to come overbefore Jack and Ed could uh
intervene.
And when he got there, Jack andEd were like, no, you can't come
in.

SPEAKER_06 (34:35):
No, we're working on a book.
We're working on a movie.
Yeah, we're Cha-Ching.
We gotta make this, we gottamake this happen, yo.

SPEAKER_01 (34:43):
So they still did their investigation, but they
did it from afar.
Uh, they found out there wassome faulty wiring, the house
had uh bad sewage pipes, andJack Smurl, he had actually had
brain surgery and could havepossibly been suffering from
hallucinations, and the wholefamily could have been um had

(35:05):
had a case of shared hysteria,which is the same thing like in
the Salem witch trials.

SPEAKER_06 (35:12):
Yep, yep, yep.
And it's real.
And if you have one personsitting there telling you
something and they're wide-eyedand trying to make you believe
it, right, the whole household.

SPEAKER_01 (35:21):
And the children are impressionable.
Yeah, they're gonna feed intothe shit.
I've seen shit like that happenwith my own eyes.
I have seen kids believe stuffthat was not real because the
parents are insisting that itis.

SPEAKER_06 (35:34):
Right, right.
Yeah, and I could sit right hereand tell you a story right here,
and we could sit here and bequiet enough.
And if we hear one little thing,we could make it a lot.

SPEAKER_01 (35:42):
We hear noises in our house all the time.

SPEAKER_06 (35:44):
Any house is gonna have blood that settles and does
things or whatever at night.
I could wake up in the middle ofthe night, and and if you're
awake too, and tell you, I swearto god, that was something I and
then all of a sudden we hearlike a little board creak or
something in the on the roof orsomething, then boom.
Yeah, there we go.
Yeah.
But the warrants we're gonnawrite a book and a movie on the
book.

SPEAKER_01 (36:03):
I was about to say, yeah, the Warren's got a book
out of it, and the Smurl familyis the inspiration for the
Conjuring Last Writes movie thatI heard was garbage.
I haven't we haven't seen ityet.
Ever since I kind of uh foundout about them a few years back,
kind of really had wanted tovisit their universe.

SPEAKER_06 (36:23):
I think I've only watched just the conjuring.

SPEAKER_01 (36:25):
You and I watched that together and it scared the
shit out of me.
And now I'm mad that it scaredme.
Because it was poo-poo.

SPEAKER_06 (36:33):
It was all fake.

SPEAKER_01 (36:35):
Now, of course, the people who own the house before
and after haven't had a singlesecond of paranormal activity.
And a couple of neighbors saidthat the Smurls just wanted to
be a part of a movie likeAmityville.

SPEAKER_06 (36:49):
Shit.
Yeah.
We need to find us some warrantsand create some shit in our
house, man.
I want to get come up.

SPEAKER_01 (36:55):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 (36:55):
Yeah.
I can tell all kinds of coolstories about shit happening.

SPEAKER_01 (37:00):
Now, the last family that we're gonna talk about um
is the Snedeker family.
Al and Carmen Sneddecker wereboth divorcees who met at a
bowling alley and instantly wereattracted to each other.
And uh they were like, you knowwhat?
We're ready to love again.
Now, Carmen had two sons from aprevious marriage named Philip

(37:22):
and Bradley, and then her and Altogether had Alan Jr.
and Jennifer.
In 1986, Philip, who was 14 atthe time, he would get really
sick and then was diagnosed withHodgkin's lymphoma.
Oh.
Yeah.
Well, they lived in Hurleyville,New York, but would have to

(37:43):
travel to Farmington,Connecticut for Phillips'
treatments.
This was a two-hour commute eachway.
So they finally decided to finda home closer to the hospital
where he was getting histreatments.
Well, Carmen found a huge housethat was being um divided up
into apartments in theSouthington, Connecticut area.

(38:06):
Well, according to Carmen, itwas being uh renovated so she
didn't have access to thebasement before moving in.
Like she had saw the floor thatthey were doing that they were
gonna, you know, that she wasgonna inquire about renting, but
she didn't see the basement,which would be a part of their
floor because they were gonnaget the bottom floor.
Okay.
Now this seemed like the perfecthome for the price and location,

(38:29):
so they signed the paperwork andrushed to move in.
And they, like I said, they weregonna be renting the bottom
floor, and that included thebasement.
Well, according to Carmen,before they would move in, she
would have a dream that the homehad previously been a funeral
home.

(38:49):
Well, when they go through thebasement, they find funerary
tools and embalming equipment,things like that.
Um, old blood on the walls,which is weird to me because
Yeah, that shouldn't be.
No, no, that would have been itwould have been cleaned up.
Right.
And even a chain-operated bodylift.

(39:13):
Now, this is true.
I I saw that like in pictures.
That was for real.
And I I watched a little alittle mini doc, or like it was
like a news segment on this fromwhat way back in the day when
this happened on YouTube.
You can find little segments ofthe real stories.
Okay.
Now they could not back out ofthis place, though.
It was the best thing that theyhad been able to find in their

(39:36):
budget.
And uh, of course, not too longafter they move in, Phillips
says to Carmen, we gotta leave.
And if we don't, something badwill happen.
Now, for reasons I cannotunderstand, they put this very
sick kid who has cancer in thebasement.

SPEAKER_06 (39:56):
He can't get to him as fast, and he is just move
around.

SPEAKER_01 (40:00):
I was gonna say, so that could be one reason uh for
not wanting to move in, but youknow, I don't know.
I wasn't there.
Now Philip would start hearingvoices calling his name.
So he would sleep in the livingroom for a while, but his
behavior would start to changesoon, and he liked to completely
flip the script, and then hedidn't want to leave the

(40:23):
basement, like he just wanted tobe in his room all the time, but
that could be just being 14.
Yeah, and being so.
Then one day, Carmen wasmopping, and all of a sudden,
the mop water turned crimson redlike blood.

(40:46):
Uh-oh.
Yeah.
And Philip would see a man'spale face with black eyes.
And then this was in the crackbetween the French doors because
I'm guessing that the flora thatthey had was like the parlor,
like that open up to bring inthe bodies so that you had the

(41:08):
French doors.
I kept thinking about um theSultan fuss house.
Me too.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
And I mean, it it kind of lookslike that, yes.
Oh my God.

SPEAKER_00 (41:17):
He can't see without his glasses.

SPEAKER_01 (41:21):
Okay, so he sees he sees this man's pale face with
the black eyes in the crackbetween the French doors, and
this this entity's mouth wasmoving, but nothing audible was
coming out.
Now, Philip and Bradley wouldsay that they would hear
whispers and snake-like hissingin the night.
And Al would say that he wouldhear sounds of a Victrola

(41:45):
playing from the basement, andthe basement would always be
freezing cold.
But I mean, it is New England,and it is a basement.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 (41:55):
I figured it would be uh the grandma singing uh
set 'em up, Joe.
Oh god.
Or whatever she was singing, andthat's who it was.

SPEAKER_01 (42:09):
Yes.
Moo moo.
Moo moo.
Moo moo.
Okay, so now it's gonna getreally dark.
Okay.
So Al said that he was sodomizedby a spirit.
Sodomized.
Carmen's niece came to stay withthe family for a while and would

(42:30):
later tell Carmen that she hadwoken up to Philip sexually
assaulting her.
And Philip said that the spiritsmade him do it.

unknown (42:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (42:44):
Well, now Carmen, she actually called the police
and reported this, and Philipwent to juvenile detention.

SPEAKER_06 (42:51):
And it sounds like you're flipping me too much shit
right here on this one, Lindsay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (42:58):
Shitty human being.

SPEAKER_06 (42:59):
Shenetakers.
Shit, yeah.
Ah, and they're just gonna usespirits and shit to try to get
away with the bullshit.
Fuck, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_03 (43:08):
No, no.

SPEAKER_01 (43:09):
Well, he okay, so he already had the cancer, and when
he was in juvenile or juvie, hewould be diagnosed with early
onset schizophrenia.
Oh, and just like the othercases, their beds were shaking.
Everybody's beds are shaking.
So Carmen set up mattresses inthe living room for all to sleep

(43:31):
in.
And that was in that little newsstory that I saw on YouTube too.
Like it showed, like, it showedall the funeral tools and
tables, and it showed all themattresses that they had in the
living room.
So they call up their personalpriest, Father Wheatley, for
some help.
And uh, he felt like the familywas just going through a lot of

(43:54):
trauma.
He blessed the house and he kindof washed his hands of it.
Then Carmen, she was assaultedby the spirit, and things just
seemed to get worse after thehouse was blessed.
How many times have I said thisalready?

SPEAKER_03 (44:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (44:12):
Well, Carmen was reading a magazine one day and
happened upon an article aboutEduardo and Loreno of the
Warrenzo.
Yes.

SPEAKER_06 (44:24):
Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 (44:25):
And they were just less than an hour away.

SPEAKER_06 (44:28):
Ed Hermione.
Or just Miney.
Yes.
Warren.

SPEAKER_01 (44:34):
So Carmen told Lorraine about everything on the
phone, and they came the nextday.
They conducted their interview.
Now, this was in 1988, okay.
They conducted their interview,and Ed and Lorraine moved in for
nine weeks.
What?
Yeah.
Now Ed could uh proclaimed thatthe entity in the house was old,

(44:59):
it was cunning, and it was evil.
They quote unquote discoveredthat there had been some
necrophilia going on in the pastin the basement.
Oh, no, no, no.
Where the house, you know,because the house had been a
funeral home.
Well, the Warren's assistants onthis case were John Zapfis and

(45:21):
Chris McKinnell.
And uh they said they alsoexperienced assaults.

SPEAKER_06 (45:28):
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
I'm feeling something right now.
Wait a minute.
Maybe it's just gas, but I'm notsure.
Oh, yeah.
Definitely some bullshit that Ithink you're flipping me right
now, Lindsay.
Yeah.
I thought I was beingclairvoyant or some shit right
there for a second.
But no, I think it's just thebullshit you're flipping me
here, Lindsay.
Because fuck, dude, after thesetwo human beings are gone.

(45:53):
After these two are gone,nothing like this has fucking
happened since then.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (45:59):
Well, that there, their, their assistant said that
they experienced assaults andburning sensations when they
would try to corner the spirit.
Which I'm like, I don't know.
I I Silas has been watching ahell of a stuff, like the ghost
hunting.
It's it's clean, clean versionsof it.
Like they've just got likelittle spirit boxes like in

(46:19):
YouTube videos.
Nothing like this kind of thinggoing on, like sexual assault
ghosts.

SPEAKER_06 (46:25):
Well, the more they can bring into it, the easier it
is to sell, right?

SPEAKER_01 (46:29):
So it was said that this evil entity was trying to
possess Carmen, so it was timefor what was the time for?

SPEAKER_06 (46:37):
What was the time for, Jessie?
Yeah, it was the time, what timewas it?
The the devil's hour?

SPEAKER_01 (46:43):
No, it was time for an exorcism.

SPEAKER_06 (46:44):
Oh, it was time for oh well that too.
I mean, yeah, it's time for anexorcism.

SPEAKER_01 (46:49):
Well, according to Ed, two priests and a deacon
came and exercised the demons,and then the media was alerted.
And I wondered by who.
I wonder.
Yeah.
I wonder who.
So, well, the archdiocese saidthat they were never asked, nor
did they grant permission forthe Snedeker exorcism.

(47:11):
So even though Ed said that thishouse is now good to go, it's
no, it's it's no longeraffected, afflicted.

SPEAKER_04 (47:18):
Is Clea.

SPEAKER_01 (47:19):
Is Clea?
The Sneddickers, they decided tomove back to New York.
Huh.
So they waited until they werefree of the ghosts and uh they
moved back.
But they were not done talkingabout it at all.
In 1992, they went on SallyJesse Raphael with Ed and
Lorraine Warren and listenersand Jesse.

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Uh, I encourage you to watchthis episode.
You can find it on YouTube.
It is wild.
Now, in this episode, a neighborsaid that Phillip was not only
taking cancer drugs, but alsorecreational drugs, and
apparently could get youwhatever you wanted.
Oh, that guy.

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And he was the plug.
Yeah.
That guy.
Now, the second floor tenants,because remember, this was a is
a huge house.
It's a beautiful house.
I'm gonna show you a picture ofit, and I'll put it in stories
also.
It was being it was divided upbecause it was large into
apartments.
The second story or the secondfloor tenants of the house, they

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were there on this episode, andthey said, uh, we had no
problems, and y'all are full ofshit.
Y'all are uh bull of shit.

SPEAKER_06 (48:31):
Bull of shit.
And it does seem like if you ifyou're thinking about it right
now, there is at least one ofthose type people in every
family that you've brought up inevery one of these stories.
There is some fucking form ofasshole, fucking entitled piece
of shit person that creates somany things, so much drama, and
then it creates mass hysteria inthe family.

SPEAKER_01 (48:53):
Yeah.
They're trying to make youbelieve hysteria, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (48:56):
Use that as a crutch to for their fucking self-inter
evil.

SPEAKER_01 (49:00):
Well, because then they have to they have to sit
there and look like, well, wedon't want to say it wasn't
true.
So we just gotta keep saying itis true.
Because if we flip, I don'tknow.
I mean, Carl Jr.
in our that last episode beforeum about you know the devil in
Connecticut, Carl Jr.
was the realist.
Like he was like y'all full ofshit and stayed on that the

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whole time since the 70s.

SPEAKER_06 (49:25):
But everybody else trying to grab money or the 80s,
they kept riding the wave.
Right.
Yeah, as long as there's aripple in the fucking water, I'm
gonna ride it.

SPEAKER_01 (49:33):
So remember that I said Carmen had claimed that she
had a dream that the house was afuneral home before they moved
in, right?
She said she dreamed that.
Well, the landlord said that sheknew that before signing the
lease.
And this whole story came aboutafter they had started getting
behind on the rent.

SPEAKER_06 (49:52):
Ah, that's that's also a thing on just about
everyone, as well.

SPEAKER_01 (49:56):
Right money.

SPEAKER_06 (49:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (49:59):
Well, CSI Cop got involved with this case as well
and said that this was justanother part of the Warren
pattern.
It was.
Warren pattern.

SPEAKER_06 (50:08):
Totally.
Totally.

SPEAKER_01 (50:10):
Now there was another book written under the
Warren's belt about this casecalled In a Dark Place: A True
Story of a Haunting.
This would be one of nine booksthat the Warrens would be a part
of and profit from, along withlike eight or nine movies.
Ray Gorton, the man that wrotethis book, later said that it

(50:30):
was a hoax.
Oh.
And that the Warrens knew it,and Ed had just encouraged him
to make things up and make itscary.

SPEAKER_06 (50:38):
Right.
We need to sell this.

SPEAKER_01 (50:40):
Now, the Warrens would be later on, you know,
just like permanent fixtures inthe media and in the paranormal
world for many years.
On August 23rd, 2006, Ed passedaway from complications due to a
stroke.
Now, after that, in 2014, awoman named Judith Penny came

(51:04):
forward with some shockingdetails about the Warren's
personal life.
When Judy was 15 years old, shehad moved in with the Warrens
when Ed was still a bus driver.
Remember that?

SPEAKER_06 (51:18):
From last episode.

SPEAKER_01 (51:20):
Yes.
She had her own room across thehall, but her and Ed were
definitely having a sexualrelationship.
He was in his 30s.
And Judy said that Lorraine wascompletely aware.
Really?
Yes.

SPEAKER_06 (51:39):
Oh, how dirty.
How dirty.
I knew there was gonna be somedirt.
Oh, Lindsay.
I'm so sorry.
Oh, the fucking fuckery.

SPEAKER_01 (51:47):
So, for some reason, back in the day, Judy was
arrested in 1963 after there wasa report about her and Ed.
I I don't understand this.
I tried to fight figure out why,but I don't know.
Well, authorities tried to gether to sign a statement
admitting to the affair, but shewould not.

(52:08):
So she had to report to adelinquent youth office for one
month, which Ed drove her to.
Judy would come, uh, would endup running the occult museum,
and the Warrens built her herown apartment on top of their
house.
Like she had the top floor.
She says that Ed was verballyand physically abusive to

(52:31):
Lorraine.
And there were times that shethought they were literally
going to kill each other.
They had a fucking slave.
Yeah.
I mean, she that okay, so in Mayof 1978, Judy's in her 30s now,
and she's still with thisfamily.
She's still with them.

SPEAKER_06 (52:49):
Yeah, well, of course.
They've brainwashed her.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (52:52):
She becomes pregnant with Ed's baby, and Lorraine
pressured her into getting anabortion.
Oh.
Uh, so they're because you know,their business would be in
danger.
She didn't want to scandal.

SPEAKER_06 (53:05):
And this is all out there.
All this is all out there.

SPEAKER_01 (53:09):
Yes.

SPEAKER_06 (53:09):
Ah.

SPEAKER_01 (53:10):
Now, even though Lorraine was, you know, such a
devout Catholic, she, you know,she pressured this girl into
having an abortion.

SPEAKER_05 (53:19):
Because it would have messed up their agenda.
You ain't tainting our fuckinglittle regime here.
You cannot fucking go againstus.
We got too much riding on this.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (53:28):
Don't you ever bring it up?

SPEAKER_01 (53:29):
And I mean, and they they they want, if she was ever
questioned, they wanted her tosay that she was she was raped,
if anything ever had come up,and then they had to abort it.
Yeah.
So she said she got theabortion, and then Ed and
Lorraine just dropped her off tostay at the house all alone

(53:50):
while they went and spoke at alecture.
They went back to work.
And I mean, and that's terriblebecause no matter what, that's
that's a that's a lot on a womanto go through that, you know?
And she said, uh, Judy would saythat the Warren's real god was
money.

(54:11):
Lorraine, she would diepeacefully in her sleep on April
18th, 2019.
But before that, she had been aconsulting on the conjuring film
series, and her contract forthese films prohibited any
betrayal or portrayal of her andEd to be engaging in

(54:32):
extramarital affairs or sexcrimes.
That was like part of thecontract, which they say is like
that shit never happens.

SPEAKER_04 (54:42):
No, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (54:44):
But she made sure that old Eduardo or her clear
was uh part of any scandal.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (54:52):
Yeah, flipped it, and I knew it was coming.
I knew something like this wasgonna show up in the end of all
things.
Fucking hey, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_01 (55:00):
Well, their daughter and son-in-law, they oversee
their legacy, but like I saidbefore, Matt Reif and Elton
Castille bought, and I I wasmistaken, I thought they bought
the um conjuring house, but no,they bought the occult museum
and Ed and Lorraine's home.
Okay.
Now, Matt said that they it'sweird.

(55:24):
So they own the home and themuseum, but they don't own the
artifacts in it.
Those are like on a lease towhere he can they can profit off
the the museum, like theadmission fee.
I don't know.
It's very strange, it's weird,but they own uh they own
something.
And they own some of the shit.
Well, because the 750 haunteditems in the occult museum

(55:48):
apparently still belong to thedaughter and son-in-law.

SPEAKER_06 (55:52):
Yeah, Kevin and the fam.
Right.
Right, right.
You can't have all of it.
We gotta get some money back outof this while it still existed.

SPEAKER_01 (55:58):
Well, the reason why uh Matt Reif has fallen from
grace is because he liked tojoke about um domestic violence.

SPEAKER_03 (56:05):
Oh.

SPEAKER_01 (56:06):
And um referred to a uh a hostess as, you know, being
ratchet and deserve to beabused.
The fuck.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (56:16):
So I've been on pens and needles, yeah, wanting to
find out.

SPEAKER_01 (56:19):
So just you can't listen, when you I know that,
you know, people in their earlyyears, uh, especially it's I I
you because you watch peoplewith their pattern of when they
get famous, they are for I'm I'mnot saying all because some
people stay humble the wholetime.
But a lot of people are humbleat first, then they become
dickheadish and they think theycan just say whatever the fuck

(56:40):
they want to say.
You can't.

SPEAKER_06 (56:42):
Herein ties what you're talking about here.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (56:45):
Because especially this day and age, you will be
cancelled.
I mean, you got you gotta watchyour mouth, and not everything
is funny.
And as a survivor of domesticviolence, I don't find it funny
at all.

SPEAKER_06 (56:56):
Right.
No at all.

SPEAKER_01 (56:57):
And most people don't, because there is a huge
statistic of women that getabused.

SPEAKER_06 (57:02):
Well, there you go.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (57:04):
That was his main fan base with women.
So are you fucked that up, bro?

SPEAKER_06 (57:10):
Damn.
I kind of figured it was gonnabe something like that, you
know.
It was like, cause yeah, he kindof had a little controversial
type stuff where he was kind ofgetting a little too edgy to,
you know, and then he went away.
So I'm gonna go.
Well, comedy is comedy.

SPEAKER_01 (57:23):
I love all different kinds of comedy.
I like comedy that stretches thebounds, but there are just
certain things that aren'tfucking funny.

SPEAKER_06 (57:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (57:30):
Like it's just you overstepped it, bro.

SPEAKER_06 (57:32):
Yeah.
You over fucking stepped it,bud.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (57:35):
Because I mean, literally, it does not take a
lot to make me laugh.
I love really stupid, reallystupid shit.
But like I said, things likethat are just not funny.
And and I've also, and I'm Ilike dark comedy as well, but
you just you gotta know, yougotta know.

SPEAKER_03 (57:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (57:56):
Where you're uh, you know, especially if you have an
audience of that many, you know,your fan base is is is a lot of
women.
Yeah, you gotta love them.

SPEAKER_06 (58:04):
You gotta be tasteful in the middle of it.
You can have the gangliest,crazy fucking dark comedy that
you want to throw out.
You still have to be tastefuland respectful in the long run.

SPEAKER_01 (58:14):
Right.

SPEAKER_06 (58:14):
Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 (58:14):
Like I said, there's just some things that aren't
funny, and we don't want to jokeabout those.
But that, ladies and gentlemen,wraps up uh two-parter on Ed and
Lorraine Warren.
Some of the shit, well, it'sactually been like pretty much a
what four or five parter here.

SPEAKER_06 (58:31):
Yeah, we've been riding this way for a bit.

SPEAKER_01 (58:33):
Well, because I mean, yeah, I had all those
saved for October, and I'm like,you know what?
All these tie together by are bytwo are tied together by two
people.

SPEAKER_06 (58:42):
So now we know.
And yeah, I figured it was gonnabe something like this in the
end.

SPEAKER_01 (58:47):
And you know, and I just want to put it out there
that in the beginning, I think alot of these families may have
experienced something a littlecrazy.
Um, because it's hard to justsit down and make up everything.
But I think that it was once theespecially once the Warrens got

(59:07):
involved or media got involved,it just blew up.

SPEAKER_06 (59:09):
Everything got blowed up.
Yeah, as soon as they showed upon the scene, you know, hey,
y'all need to do this, y'allneed to do that.
Let's claim this happened, thisand that.
You know, yeah, they had to makeit marketable, right?

SPEAKER_01 (59:20):
Yes, exactly.
And that is what a lot of peoplesaid about Ed.

SPEAKER_06 (59:25):
And the trend was just too fucking easy to see.

SPEAKER_01 (59:28):
And you don't see shit like that anymore, do you?

SPEAKER_06 (59:31):
No, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (59:32):
And we have access to And this was in a very short
time period.

SPEAKER_06 (59:35):
Live documentation right here in your hand.
All you have to do is turn iton.
Here it is.
This is really something, youknow.

SPEAKER_01 (59:42):
It was like, I mean, it was literally like an
epidemic.
Like it was just, oh, let's gosee it.
Oh, they're getting haunted.
Well, we're gonna be morehaunted over here, motherfucker.
Okay.
Right.
Like, you know, there's we'regonna, we're gonna get sexually
assaulted by ghosts.
Yeah.
We're gonna outdo you there,bud.

SPEAKER_03 (59:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (59:59):
But I mean.
Committing crimes, hurtingpeople, and then blaming it on
an entity is wild.

SPEAKER_06 (01:00:09):
And that's where all the crime and the shit about all
this is, because there's crimebehind every bit of it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:15):
And I'm really happy that a lot of the, you know, law
enforcement people or um, youknow, judges and things like
that, they didn't go along withit because what would the world
be if they had let that one casego?
I I know that there are some inother countries that have legit,
yeah, yeah, yeah.
Have actually, you know, letthat let that happen.

SPEAKER_06 (01:00:39):
Let that oh yeah, that part too.
Yeah, yeah.
No.
We don't need a fucking circus,dude.
No.
Do the do the common sense ofit.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:47):
If you commit crime and even if you were mentally
ill, you don't need to be insociety and you you need to, I
mean, you know, commit, excuseme, commit murder, not just a
crime.
Because, you know, crimes areall kinds of things.
I just I saw where it was acrime to um dress as a priest in
Alabama.
So, you know, let's uh let's notuh put people away for that

(01:01:09):
shit.
That's wild.
So because I dressed like thatlast night.
Yeah, you did.
I was Jim Jones and Jesse was myflavor aid.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:16):
Daddy Jones.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:17):
Daddy Jones and Flavor Aid.
But, anyways, so I'm a littletipsy now.
I'm gonna ramble, so I'm gonnashut myself up and I'm gonna let
you plug.

SPEAKER_06 (01:01:26):
Rambling.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:27):
I'm gonna let you plug a band.

SPEAKER_06 (01:01:28):
Well, you did great, Lindsay.
I just wanted to say thank you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:31):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_06 (01:01:31):
You know, you can't drive 55, but that was a good
episode 55.
Last night we couldn't havedriven nowhere.
I'm glad we stayed there has hisown.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:42):
We never we never want to drive anywhere on
Halloween.
Like everybody's gonna be.

SPEAKER_06 (01:01:47):
Don't drink a drink.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:48):
Never.

SPEAKER_06 (01:01:50):
Great, great, great, great wad of shit you flipped me
there for the last month and ahalf.
I know.
So I want to play music, right?

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:59):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:00):
That's what I do.

SPEAKER_06 (01:02:01):
I want to play some music.
Yay! I have a band here calleduh UniFi.
So, yes.
These guys are from Savannah,Georgia.
Okay.
Yeah.
I think you're gonna love them,Lindsay.
I'm excited.
Yes, I'm gonna rock this thingout.
This song's called Dirty Dub.

(01:02:24):
Dirty Dub.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:32):
I know a girl, I wanna make a mind.
She won't look my way, but shelooking so fine.
Oh girl.
I love the things that you do.
She used to slow down everysingle day.
Who wouldn't think so I'm not?
She won't walk my way, oh girl.
I love the things that you do.

(01:02:56):
Oh girl.
I love the things that you do.
She won't stop rocking till Iget the top.
I love the things that you doShe picked my way, she looks

(01:03:17):
pissed off.
I love that so but she won't beon my I love the things that you
do.
She looks like I love the thingsthat I've done.

(01:03:42):
I won't take up the things Allthe things that you do.
I love the things that you do.

(01:04:08):
I love the things that you do Ilove the things that you take.

(01:04:31):
I love the things that you do.
Oh I love the things that youdo.
Oh all the things that we do.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:46):
Whoa.
Wasn't that cool?
That was such a cool vibe.
Yes, such cool sound.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:52):
We needed that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:53):
When I looked up their little profile on
Instagram and I seen what theirsound was, I'm like, this is
gonna be great.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:58):
Yes.
Cool cats from Savannah.
And you can find them onInstagram and Spotify, which is
what I but I'm sure they're onall the platforms.
Cool, cool, cool stuff.

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:09):
Like we're just hanging on just a little bit of
summer in the middle of fall.
But I love it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:15):
And we we actually have sweat of weather.
I know, finally.
We got sweat-of weather.

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:20):
Good.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:20):
We've had a stretch of it this week.
Absolutely.
We're putting them on oursummertime playlist.
Summertime playlist.
Our beach mix.

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:28):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, just uh get on there andcheck them out.
Support, support, support.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:32):
Support us and the bands.

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:36):
All the bands.
Yes.
So many cool bands.
This uh is an amazing journey.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:42):
And thank you for having me be part of this,
Lindsay.
I love the things that you do.
Yeah.
Oh girl.
I love the things that you do.

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:55):
Damn, dude.
That was hot.
That was a very good song.
Boom.
Loved it.
Loved it so much.
And we will see you guys becauseI we're about to die.
I'm sorry I wasn't so bubbly onthis one.
I couldn't be.
I really wasn't.
I mean, the the song really kindof helped bring me back a little
bit too.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:12):
I mean, we're just we're hanging on here.
We're hanging on by a thread.
And this is a late nightrecording.
Like I said, we have uh oh yes.
We were we were hungover duringthe day, and we took the kid to
the fair.
We did all the stuff and met upwith uh the oldest boy and his
babies, and we had a good night.
We had a good night, and it'stime to crash.

(01:06:32):
Yes.
But we love you guys so much.
Thank you for continuing tolisten.

SPEAKER_06 (01:06:36):
Oh my gosh, yes, thank you so much.
We had a big week in ourpodcast.
It was really great.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:43):
All the followers and sharing and stuff.
And we handed out cards to theadult for Trick or Traders last
night.
So, uh to the parents of thetrick or treaters.
And we gave them candy too.

SPEAKER_06 (01:06:54):
I guess you can't really call them adults because
they all look like fucking kidsto me still.
Even the adults.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:58):
Even the ones our age.
Yeah.
Child.

SPEAKER_06 (01:07:00):
You're a child?

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:01):
You are a child.
You are a child.

SPEAKER_06 (01:07:04):
Yeah.
So we'll see you guys nextFriday.
We're gonna keep on cracking on.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:09):
Follow us drinkabout something.site, all the socials,
YouTube, follow the bands.
We love you so much.

SPEAKER_06 (01:07:16):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and bye.