EPISODE 56: Emily Pike

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SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
Hey Jesse.
Hello, Lindsay.
Holy shit.
Hello.
We've got guests today.
We do.
We do.
And so hey, Erin.
And hey, Morgan.
Erin and Morgan.
Yay!

SPEAKER_04 (00:20):
Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Oh, wait, wait.
Yay!

SPEAKER_01 (00:29):
And we even have a special guest that may be on
this later on.
So maybe we'll see.
We'll see.
So you bring the guest and I'llbring the guest and we'll have
all guests.
We're guesting.

SPEAKER_02 (00:38):
So Aaron Russell Sumner is my best friend for
like oh my god.
Almost 20 years.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (00:45):
Well, if we met, yeah.
Yeah.
18 years ago.

SPEAKER_02 (00:48):
Yeah, you were a babe.
And I was in my mid-20s.
And Morgan is her wife that weabsolutely fucking love.

SPEAKER_03 (00:55):
And she's still a babe.

SPEAKER_02 (00:57):
She's yeah.
Morgan's still a babe.
No.
She's oh yeah.
Aaron will always be.
Yeah, compared to my age, Erinis a babe.
And then Morgan is the babe ofthis table right now.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09):
So great to have you guys on.
Thank you for coming.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11):
Yeah, they just you surprised me.
I did.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14):
Oh my god.
Lindsay didn't know, y'all.
Lindsay did not know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17):
At all.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18):
And then all of a sudden, like, she's in the
crapper, right?
Let me break this story down toyou guys.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22):
I literally was.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24):
Lindsay's dropping a deuce, right?
And they they come in the frontdoor and I'm like, wait a
minute, Lindsay's pooping.

SPEAKER_04 (01:32):
And Aaron's like, should I be quiet?

SPEAKER_01 (01:34):
Should I be real quiet?
And I'm like, no, it's okay.
Let me go get my cooler.
Let me go do this.
And Morgan's like, what do Ineed to do?
This is your plan.
Oh my gosh, what do I need todo?
And I'm like, I'm just gonna goin here and hang out with
Lindsay.
And then we're talking about thetrash heap again.

SPEAKER_02 (01:46):
The trash heap from Fraggle Rock.

SPEAKER_01 (01:48):
Fraggle Rock, trying to find out who did the voice.
I thought it was a uh I thoughtit was a female um like RB
singer or something.
I was like, wasn't she likeMotown or something?
Like wasn't that Momo?
Was it Momo?
It might have been.

SPEAKER_02 (02:01):
I don't know.
But we'll have to we'll have todeep dive trash here.

SPEAKER_01 (02:04):
Was where we got all of our wisdom over here on this
side of the table, me andLindsay.
They're a little bit younger.
They I don't know, they probablywatched Fraggle Rock.
Yeah.
Okay, good, good, good.
So that's where we got ourknowledge.
That's our real parents there.

SPEAKER_02 (02:16):
Well, you forgot that um Lindsay's parents
wouldn't allow her to watchFraggle Rock.
So when I lived with my realmother or my birth mother, I
won't say real, my birth mother,that was like all that we
watched.
Yeah.
Because it was in the height ofits, I mean, it was in its peak.
And then when I moved in with mydad and stepmother, they were

(02:38):
like, no, Fraggles are thedouble.

SPEAKER_01 (02:40):
You're not allowed to dance your cares away in the
name of Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 (02:43):
And it was like a whole era in for me.
And like I mourned that showedin everything as a childhood.

SPEAKER_01 (02:49):
You know, I had worries for another day.
You know?

SPEAKER_02 (02:52):
So when my kids were older, you know, down at you
know, Fraggle Rock.

SPEAKER_01 (02:56):
Yeah.
And then like the doozers, wetalked about the doozers, and
that taught us like work ethicbecause it's like, you know, you
work hard, but you don't alwayshave somebody just eating
everything that you do, youknow.

SPEAKER_02 (03:05):
So well, that's what I was gonna say when I would go
visit my cousin, um, who's alittle older than me.
Her she let her daughter watchit on video on VHS.
So it was like, oh, I can watchFraggle Rock.
And I was like 14, and I waslike, I can watch Fraggle Rock
again.

SPEAKER_01 (03:20):
But hey.
Over here, this is good.
This isn't a Fraggle Rockepisode, though, Lindsay.
I'm not trying to cut you off.

SPEAKER_02 (03:26):
Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (03:26):
This is a revolution episode.

SPEAKER_02 (03:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (03:29):
Okay.
This is a revolution episode.
That's why I got y'all love somerevolution stuff.
You love the little fist in theair, and I love it.
And we're gonna get on that.
So Lindsay comes out of thecrapper, boom.
Um I got her on video.
I'm gonna put it on all thestuff.

SPEAKER_02 (03:42):
I know I was like, why is he videoing me?

SPEAKER_01 (03:44):
And like my sister showed up, so it's like
everybody's like, all of asudden, she came out to a
poo-poo party.
And this is really cool.

SPEAKER_03 (03:49):
Poo-poo party.
Yeah, guess what?
Congratulations.
Congratulations, yes, party.
Poo-poo poo.

SPEAKER_02 (03:56):
So I walked out to the garage and I saw Aaron and
Morgan and I almost fell.
Yeah, like I was like, like ittook me a minute to register
that they were standing in frontof me.
And then I was like, okay, hugs,time for hugs.
And I was like, oh my god.
Like, and it was weird becauseyou randomly mentioned Aaron's
famous smoked salmon dip earlierwhile we were having food,

(04:17):
having a little lunch.
No, you can't.
Like, I literally exactly.
I think I was like, why is Imean, like, literally in my
head, I'm like, that's weirdthat he would just bring that up
out of nowhere.

SPEAKER_01 (04:28):
I think you yeah, I think you uh misunderstand the
sneakiness over here.

SPEAKER_02 (04:32):
I do.

SPEAKER_01 (04:33):
Is that from Adam Sandler?

SPEAKER_02 (04:34):
Yeah, very, very sneaky.
That's uh John Taturo, right?
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (04:39):
We're gonna have a revolution.
We're gonna be talking aboutsomething that I know a little
bit about and I've been aroundit for many, many years.
And uh later on in the podcast,we might add a uh very big
celebrity, amazing person thatI've uh been in contact with.

SPEAKER_02 (04:54):
So we'll go ahead and roll the intro.
Okay.
Okay, you guys ready?

SPEAKER_01 (04:59):
Happy Friday.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (05:00):
Happy Friday.

SPEAKER_01 (05:01):
Let's do this.

SPEAKER_04 (05:02):
Woo!

SPEAKER_01 (05:03):
Yes.
I hope everybody's weekend isamazing.
Look at everybody just dance.

SPEAKER_02 (05:20):
Dancing thing.

SPEAKER_03 (05:29):
I am whatever it's cool.

SPEAKER_02 (05:32):
So first, Jesse, I gotta ask you what are you
drinking today?
I didn't ask you up the rip.

SPEAKER_01 (05:37):
Well, when Erin came over, she brought some vodka.
And we talked about her cup,which actually said it's not the
Kool-Aid, it's flavored.

SPEAKER_02 (05:46):
It says it's not Kool-Aid, it's actually
flavored.
It's flavor aid.

SPEAKER_01 (05:49):
So of course I break out flavor aid because it goes
good with vodka.
So it really does.
Aaron and I were drinking JimJones.

SPEAKER_02 (05:57):
Jim Jones over here.
Yeah, that is what we have.
Uh just yeah, that's vodka andflavorade is the Jim Jones.

SPEAKER_01 (06:04):
That's the Gen Z Jim Jones.

SPEAKER_02 (06:05):
Yes.
Yeah.
Aaron, what are you or Morgan?
What are you having to jump?
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (06:10):
Aaron 2.0.
Um, I think I'm having one ofthe fuck that your son made,
which is like uh Crown and Dr.

unknown (06:19):
Pepper.
Dr.

SPEAKER_01 (06:20):
Crown, yeah, Crown and DP.
Yes.
I don't like it either.
He gave me that shit too before.

SPEAKER_03 (06:25):
I don't like it.
It I feel like it I'm drinkingJolly Ranchers.
Like I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (06:32):
That's a string, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (06:34):
I guess, but and never drink it again.

SPEAKER_02 (06:35):
I was thinking, you know, back back in our youth,
there was a um it was it was amalt liquor or it was a malt
drink um called Zima.
Zima that we would put JollyRanchers in and let's.

SPEAKER_01 (06:49):
If you have had benders on Zima, let us know.

SPEAKER_02 (06:52):
I don't even know what that drink was.
It was a little seltzery, alittle put a Jolly Rancher in
it.
It had no flavor at all.
Yeah.
But if that's why we would putthe Jolly Ranchers in.
It was like um that's so it waslike a smearing off, but with no
flavor.
So we would put the JollyRanchers in to get the flavor.
You had to let them sit a while,dissolve, do the thing.
And that was our that was uhwhat us 80s babies were drinking

(07:16):
in the late 90s, mid to late90s, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (07:19):
So what are you drinking over there, Lindsay?

SPEAKER_02 (07:21):
I have uh so I had to get white claw this week
because I did all my shopping atWalmart instead of Aldi where I
usually get my Vista Bayseltzer's, but I got white
claws, I got the uh the packthat has the peach and the
mango.
Sweet.
And as we've talked aboutbefore, I don't like the mango
by itself, but mixed with thepeach, it is superb.
So that is what I have in myBucky's cup.

SPEAKER_01 (07:42):
And I wanted to say a quick little disclaimer
because uh this is around a lotof Native American history and
Native American things we'regonna be plugging in here.
Uh and we like to drink on ourpodcast, but we do it
responsibly.

SPEAKER_04 (07:56):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (07:57):
And I know that alcoholism throughout uh
reservations and things andthroughout, you know, just
society, period, we do itresponsibly over here.
And uh if you're gonna drink andpartake, do it responsibly.

SPEAKER_02 (08:08):
Yes, disclaimer.

SPEAKER_01 (08:09):
Disclaimer, whatever disclaimers and claiming and
disclaiming.
Yes.
So that's what uh our thing isabout.
Like we uh we have drinks, wetalk about the drinks, and we
talk about whatever Lindsay'stalking about.
True crime.
And she puddles me, and I don'tknow this script over here, but
I know a little bit about it.
And I'm just excited about thiswhole day.
Everybody around me is amazing.

(08:30):
And I just wanted to say thankyou, Lindsay, for having us.

SPEAKER_02 (08:33):
And thank you.
Yes, and thank you guys forcoming all the way over from
Jacksonville, which is ourleading city and listeners.
Yes, thank you, Jacksonville.
Thank you, Jacksonville.
Period.
We love you.
Yes.
Go Jags.

SPEAKER_04 (08:49):
Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 (08:51):
Yeah, they could go.

SPEAKER_02 (08:52):
And what's the baseball team?
What's the baseball team?
The jumbo shrimp or some shit?
Jacksonville Sun?

SPEAKER_01 (08:56):
Was it?

SPEAKER_02 (08:57):
Is it a shrimp?

SPEAKER_03 (08:59):
Oh, is it the sun, you know, the suns.
That was the jumbo shrimp.

SPEAKER_02 (09:02):
Jumbo shrimp.
We love us some jumbo shrimp.

SPEAKER_03 (09:05):
Yeah, I feel a certain type of way about that.

SPEAKER_01 (09:08):
I do too.
I would rather be a son than ashrimp.

SPEAKER_03 (09:11):
Scrimps.

SPEAKER_01 (09:12):
Shrimp and that's cool.
Whatever, change your name,whatever.

SPEAKER_03 (09:16):
I just acquired some shrimp traps and super wanting a
shrimp.
You want to go shrimp on theboat, like Forrest?
I don't have a fucking boat.

SPEAKER_01 (09:26):
We're gonna get her.

SPEAKER_03 (09:28):
She's got the trap.

SPEAKER_01 (09:28):
We're gonna get her like a five-gallon bucket.
She can put her, she can get inthat.
This is my Jenny.

SPEAKER_02 (09:33):
So we'll just take we'll just take you to the beach
and you can just like do it,like weighed out there with the
nuts.

SPEAKER_04 (09:44):
Okay, we'll talk about that later.

unknown (09:47):
Yeah, it's a secret.

SPEAKER_03 (09:48):
Otherwise, I'm gonna get any fucking shrimp.
Right, yes.

SPEAKER_02 (09:52):
You cannot know about Morgan's.

SPEAKER_01 (09:54):
It's on Dun's Creek somewhere.
It's not guaranteed.

SPEAKER_03 (09:56):
No.
Oh, whatever.
No.

SPEAKER_02 (09:59):
Just like absolutely not.
Shout out to Duns Creek and takeit to the Matthews Bridge.
Shut the bridge.
Is that the one that I is thatthe one that I hate?

SPEAKER_01 (10:06):
Yeah, I think.
That's the one that's steep.

SPEAKER_03 (10:09):
No, that's the damn point.

SPEAKER_01 (10:11):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (10:14):
Shrimp can actually collect on any fucking bridge.
Oh.
In North Florida.
Pick a bridge.
Speaker Bridge.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (10:24):
She got a career going on over here.

SPEAKER_03 (10:26):
She's gonna be a career shrimp boat.
Somehow, I don't know.
I just want to fucking shrimp.
With a five-gallon bucket.

SPEAKER_02 (10:34):
It was cool in uh New Hampshire.
We stayed at Hampton Beach andwe woke up early to see the
sunrise and we watched a shrimpuh uh shrimp boat.
All morning.
Uh all morning.

SPEAKER_01 (10:47):
Yeah, bing bing bing, just kind of going about
it.

SPEAKER_02 (10:49):
It was super cute.
It was like I got pictures ofit, it's a whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 (10:52):
The rocking memory templates in the background, the
sun just come up perfectly rightwhere we were at.
Anyhow, Lindsay, we havestories.

SPEAKER_02 (10:59):
We do.

SPEAKER_01 (11:00):
So we we drink things, we tell stories, she
puddles us.
She's gonna horrifically puddleus with it.

SPEAKER_02 (11:05):
And then Jesse plugs a band at the end.
So always make sure that youstay till the end to hear some
new music because enlightenyourself.
Yes, embrace new music.

SPEAKER_01 (11:17):
Happy Native American month, everybody.
Indigenous.

SPEAKER_02 (11:20):
Yes, indigenous.
And yeah, welcome to November.
Welcome to Indigenous.
What is it?
Tell me the whole name.

SPEAKER_01 (11:27):
Indigenous people, first First Nations people.

SPEAKER_02 (11:30):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (11:30):
Yeah.
Is that what we call it?
We're gonna call it all thecorrect things.
And if we mess up later, it'sokay.
We already said it first.

SPEAKER_02 (11:35):
Well, and give a little brief um everything that
you've been through you the yourassociation with the native
community over in your lifetime.

SPEAKER_01 (11:46):
I'm just gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna just
me being me.

SPEAKER_02 (11:50):
How's that?
You know, I'm gonna ask you whatmade you feel old this week.

SPEAKER_01 (11:53):
Oh my goodness, Lindsay.
So I'm sitting here in Jenkosright now.
Original OG Jenkos, right?
He sure is.
So uh the style has come back alittle bit, but the women are
wearing it.
And I'm like, why?
Dude, revolution.
I want to wear mine too.
And they're lovely.
I love them.
They're stiff, they don'tstretch, and I feel too old and

(12:14):
too big to be wearing them, butyou know what?
I'm doing it, and I look cool init, I think.

SPEAKER_03 (12:18):
Yeah, you do.

SPEAKER_02 (12:20):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 (12:20):
That kind of made me feel old a little bit.
I mean, I wrote something downover there, but I don't even
remember that.

SPEAKER_02 (12:24):
So, what you said is that um your hand scratches that
came out of nowhere.

SPEAKER_01 (12:29):
I'm like, I'm looking and I've got like these
dings and dents and scratch.
I'm like my thin old skin, yeah.
But I thought the Jeep thingswas way cooler.
Either way, I'm old and I feelthat way sometimes.
Sometimes.
On stage last night, I did not.
Welcome back, Shadow the Earth.
We kicked ass.

SPEAKER_02 (12:45):
Yes, and they played with Galactic Empire.
That was brad.

SPEAKER_03 (12:49):
I heard so much about that.

SPEAKER_01 (12:50):
So good.
All the audio is coming back.
I'm like, my chick really didgood.
You gotta check it out.

SPEAKER_02 (12:56):
And it is raining outside if you guys happen to
hear water, because I did notknow.
I had to look outside.
I'm like, oh, there's water.
It's raining.

SPEAKER_01 (13:04):
And then in comes the cold front.
We're gonna experience uh threedays of winter.

SPEAKER_03 (13:08):
Wow, I can't I fucking can't wait.

SPEAKER_01 (13:10):
Well, that's uh three days of fall, we'll say.

SPEAKER_03 (13:13):
Yeah, like what two types of winter are you?
Yeah, it's not consecutive.

SPEAKER_02 (13:17):
No, not at all.
It'll go from 30 to 80 withintwo days in Florida.

SPEAKER_03 (13:21):
I'm gonna pretend I like live in fucking
Pennsylvania.

SPEAKER_01 (13:26):
I feel like I feel like you would enjoy because
y'all were kind of aiming towardlike what Tennessee area or
something like that.
Virginia.
Virginia?
Yeah, you're kind of aimingtowards seasons.

SPEAKER_03 (13:35):
Yeah, we we were looking to transfer within the
company, but now we do a lot ofwork there.
Um, but uh Pittsburgh is okay.
Yeah, I'm good friends.
Because I can live up there.
Yeah, we could transfer up thereand Lindsay's gonna learn how to
fly.

SPEAKER_02 (13:54):
That way I can come see you guys figure it out all
the time.
Reasons for you to move.
I know and then any excuseexcuse to see my friends and
Pennsylvania, period.
Because I loved Pennsylvania.

SPEAKER_03 (14:08):
Pittsburgh yet.

SPEAKER_02 (14:09):
So we didn't go to Pittsburgh, but we went to
Philly and then we went toGettysburg and we drove through
Hershey and a lot of thebeautiful scenery Amish area.
Oh my god, it was insane.

SPEAKER_03 (14:21):
Morgan's main draw are the fresh potatoes because
her potatoes.
So I went there for um for aweek for work, and I man, I just
fell in love with the Frenchfries.
Like, I'm a fat ass.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (14:34):
Uh we listen, we love us some food at this table.

SPEAKER_03 (14:39):
Let's start a side podcast and talk about food
amazing.
And she's like, yada yada, youknow, it's just whatever.
Um, it's just not my thing.
But yeah, she was like, uh, it'sit's not my thing, you know,
because it's just farmland, andhonestly, the political scheme
is just not the best.

(15:00):
So I think it's very tough whenit comes to politics right now,
and we're not gonna really getinto it.

SPEAKER_01 (15:09):
Period.

SPEAKER_03 (15:10):
Yeah, we're not gonna get into it because it's
very complicated.

SPEAKER_01 (15:13):
Yeah.
But this is a revolution podcaston this one, but we don't have
to bring in politics to it.
We're just gonna bring true asshuman stuff that needs to be
recognized globally, and I'mabout that.

SPEAKER_03 (15:25):
It's very important, but um, I think that's something
that is a whole episode on itsown.
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Um we won't like glorify in itor anything like that.
But anyway, I was uh when I wasthere in Pennsylvania for a
week, I was like, man, frenchfries are so fucking low.

(15:47):
You know, I I thought it wasamazing.
And so just about a uh uh abouta year ago, um Aaron was like
man, you know, after taking mybest friend to Pittsburgh and
just witnessing what it is to bein Pennsylvania.

SPEAKER_02 (16:05):
That's right, you did go there, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (16:06):
Wow, this is fucking amazing.
It's so beautiful, and it is.

(16:29):
And um, you can look out yourwindow and there's a mountain.
Yeah, but the equality thatPittsburgh has, you know, like
it's just I don't know, I justthink just by um, you know, her
and her best friend just talkingabout what Pittsburgh is over
the course of the the last yearis like it's just amazing to me.

SPEAKER_02 (16:54):
And that's what's where Eden is now, right?
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (16:58):
Yeah.
So we um you should do it.
I know, yeah.
I'm over here looking at youright now.

SPEAKER_02 (17:03):
So give us give us excuses to go back to
Pennsylvania.
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (17:07):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (17:07):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (17:08):
Housing affordability.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (17:11):
That's that's a good reason right there.

SPEAKER_03 (17:17):
Oh, we're going too.
We're going.

SPEAKER_01 (17:19):
I should you not.
Yeah, let's go.
A lot of people are movingaround though, you know, just
everywhere trying to, you know,have a little comma where they
can get set in and actually, youknow, focus towards some kind of
retirement.

SPEAKER_04 (17:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (17:31):
But all that aside, Lindsay has this amazing ass
story.

SPEAKER_02 (17:35):
I'm all about the well, I haven't said what's made
me feel old yet.
Oh, you didn't, did you?
I bought blanket.
No, I was we gotta go around.
So I bought plant covers becausewe have a freeze coming.

SPEAKER_03 (17:47):
Oh, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_02 (17:48):
Take care of the babies.
I gotta protect my baby.
So I I literally got my plantcover in from Amazon yesterday
so I can cover up my plants andthey don't die in 30-degree
weather.

SPEAKER_01 (18:01):
Like like laughing and crying, dying.

SPEAKER_02 (18:04):
That's just these emotional support.

SPEAKER_01 (18:06):
Lindsay's thumb is not so green.
It's not.
It's green enough to keep thewhole emotional support plant
going, so I love that.
Right?
We'll wrap that back up.

SPEAKER_02 (18:13):
And I've looked I've got my little succulents and
cactuses going over there.
She's doing it.
I have revived the snake plantthat the grandbaby broke.
Yeah.

unknown (18:22):
Yeah.
That's nice.

SPEAKER_02 (18:24):
So the other group plant, it died.
Aeronaves.
We're not gonna talk about that.

SPEAKER_03 (18:30):
Yeah.
Um jumpingly sad.
Six seven.
About an hour ago, and I had avisceral reaction.

SPEAKER_01 (18:39):
Six seven.
She looked at me like she wantedto cut my whole life into
pieces.
I was like, this is my lastresort.
I was like suffocation, and shewas like, no breathing.
No breathing.
And she didn't give a fuck.

SPEAKER_02 (18:53):
If you cut your arm bleeding, yes.

SPEAKER_01 (18:55):
That made you feel all I actually brought it to
your attention.
I was like, Are you a boomernow?

SPEAKER_02 (18:59):
Or she's like, What a true millennial in the face.
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (19:06):
So is that the new one?
Are you allowed to say, like,I'm a millennial now?

SPEAKER_02 (19:09):
We're a millennial to this table.

SPEAKER_01 (19:11):
We're skipping Gen X all the way, just going straight
to the millennial.

SPEAKER_02 (19:14):
Yeah.
Millennial.
Well, we're we're on you and Iare on the cusp.
Aaron is an absolute millennial.
We're on the cusp between Gen Xand Millennial.
Yeah.
And Morgan's close.

SPEAKER_01 (19:27):
She's she's kind of in-between ish too, so there's
yeah, the middle child.

SPEAKER_02 (19:32):
And she and she's a younger millennial, yes.
Younger millennial.
We're elder, Aaron's middle, andthen Morgan is yes.
So yeah.
Period millennials at the tableright now.

SPEAKER_01 (19:42):
Millennial Revolution.
I keep saying that because Ithink Lindsay's really going to
have us up in arms here in alittle bit.
All right.

SPEAKER_02 (19:48):
Yeah.
I'm so happy that y'all arehere, but I am sad about the
case that I'm about to presentto you because it is rough.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (19:58):
Welcome to my world.
Buckle up.
Oh, my world as well.
Shit.

SPEAKER_02 (20:04):
So there are a lot of trigger warnings in this
episode.
This is a horrific case thathappened just this year and is
unfortunately unsolved.

SPEAKER_03 (20:13):
So this is a recent case.

SPEAKER_02 (20:15):
Very recent.

SPEAKER_01 (20:16):
But it's been an epidemic for a year.

SPEAKER_02 (20:19):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're gonna get into that,right?

SPEAKER_03 (20:22):
It's just recently in Captain.

SPEAKER_02 (20:23):
Yes.
This, yeah, this happened thisyear.
So Emily Carla Pike was a memberof the San Carlos Apache tribe
and grew up on the reservation.
I put in Mesa, Arizona, but thatis wrong.
It just said this southeasternArizona is where that tribe or
where that reservation is.
Mesa, Arizona is where she willend up.

(20:44):
But we'll talk about that.
So she was born on May 16th,2010, to Stephanie Ducella and
Jensen Pike.
She had four other siblingsnamed Jasper, Destiny, Damari,
and Josiah.
And she was also very close withher cousins, Jada and Tyrea.
She was very soft-spoken,caring, artistic, and her

(21:08):
favorite color was pink, which Iresonated with.
That's my second favorite color.
So it's purple, pink, silver,black.
Yes, for me.
And uh she loved animals andeventually wanted to become a
veterinarian.
Unfortunately, her home life wasnot great.
Her father was in and out ofprison most of her life and is

(21:29):
currently serving time now.
It's for minor infractions, butand just, you know, he's kind of
institutionalized.
Her mother struggled withaddiction, but as of 2024, it
seems she is on the road tosobriety.
In early 2023, Emily was 12years old, and she reported that

(21:53):
she had been sexually assaulted,and the offender was not charged
at the time, but later would bebecause he assaulted somebody
else.
But unfortunately, hers kind ofwent unnoticed.

SPEAKER_04 (22:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (22:06):
And I hate that.
Later in July of 2023, Emilyreported that she was sexually
assaulted again.
She was found after the call wasmade without a shirt on and had
been assaulted by a relative,and she was only 12.
Don't do me like this, Lindsay.
I'm sorry, I told you three daysago that this was horrific.

(22:30):
Okay.
Now, this man was arrested, buthe was released a few days
later, and the case was closeddue to lack of evidence.

SPEAKER_01 (22:42):
No, come on, bring it.
You got your fist.
I got my fist.
I'm over here.
Revolution.

SPEAKER_02 (22:48):
Now, Emily's mother felt that the person who
conducted Emily's interview wasnot concerned enough and did not
like their family.

SPEAKER_03 (22:58):
Are you fucking serious?

SPEAKER_02 (22:59):
Yeah.
That's and a rape kit?

SPEAKER_03 (23:02):
Like, was sh shh.

SPEAKER_02 (23:04):
That I a lot of the past cases are just kind of
washed away.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Unfortunately, this happens alot with any woman of color and
a lot with indigenous women.

SPEAKER_01 (23:19):
And I just unfortunately I just wanted to
say, like, there's a lot oftimes I don't even plug in and
ask those questions that come tome because I don't want to know
more.
I'm I'm very appreciative thaty'all are plugging in with every
bit.

SPEAKER_02 (23:33):
You got more women at the table today, though.

SPEAKER_01 (23:35):
I love that.
I love that this conversationbecause I don't have to put it
in there because y'all are justgoing to keep bringing it.
I think I'm going to get likethree ways of just bringing it
over here.
I think it's going to comebecause of the questions and the
replies and everything.
I don't usually ask a lot ofthose other than just me being
puddled.
I love that y'all are bringingit, dude.
I'm excited about it.
Well, I'm about to tell themsomething else because

(23:56):
allegedly.
I'm not excited about this wholestory, but I'm excited about
like everybody being here.
This is gonna be cool.

SPEAKER_03 (24:02):
I mean, Jesse, I mean, for one, like, I don't
have any like personalexperience with this stuff, and
I'm thankful for that.

SPEAKER_02 (24:10):
Right, exactly.
Same.

SPEAKER_03 (24:12):
But you know, I'm still a woman, and I still have
to deal with being a woman, andI don't find it fun.

SPEAKER_02 (24:21):
You know, like I I find it, you know, in 90% of
womanhood sucks.
Like being a woman sucks.

SPEAKER_03 (24:33):
I'm a woman trying to get into a man's world, and
what you know, what a peoplewhat a lot of people think is a
man's world, and I think it'sdifferent.
It's um you know, I'm I'm I'm amechanic in a uh man's world,
yeah, as a woman.
And so, you know, it's it'stough for me being there, you

(24:54):
know.
A lot of men just think I'mdumb, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (24:58):
To punch them in the face.

unknown (24:59):
Yeah, right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (25:00):
Some of the coolest mechanics are women to me, you
know.
And even when Erin was was sheapplied for a position at my
work, and it was just like, uhno.
I was the boss was like, nah, Idon't really want to check
working back there.
I'm like, are you kidding me?
This is the coolest bro of mineright here, you know?
Dude was like, no, no.
So I've experienced that on theother hand of you guys just

(25:20):
being everything that we justrespect and let you let you be.
We don't we don't care we leteverybody be everything.

SPEAKER_03 (25:26):
I think bottom line is like men are growing, right?
Like just masculinity as a wholeum in culture is growing.
And I love that, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (25:39):
It's a lot of generational bullshit that men
have to beat off.
Yeah, and I'm so happy that Ihave one that is open-minded, I
mean, and and things like that,but because it in this day and
age, even in 2025, it's stillrare.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (25:56):
But you know, I'm gonna tell you what, you know,
just yeah, I love you very much,but like you still will never
understand.
No, and I'm not trying to attackyou anyway.
I'm not trying to try and attackmasculinity in any type of way,
but it's like you will neverunderstand in cry.
That's fine.

SPEAKER_02 (26:14):
But I I will give him the credit that he does
listen.
Oh, I'm not sure.
And that is absolutely that is,yeah, hats off to that.
But you are 100% correct.
He'll never understand, and begrateful that you won't ever
have to understand.

SPEAKER_01 (26:27):
No, but always there's no naive in conversation
about it because I respect it nomatter what.

SPEAKER_03 (26:31):
No, absolutely.
That's all that matters.
All that matters.
I respect everything.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (26:41):
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 (26:42):
And that's why you're here, because we love you
because we love all you guys somuch.
Thank you.
Well, unfortunately, in thisparticular case, also,
allegedly, uh because it's notconfirmed, but allegedly there
wasn't any paperwork filed aboutthe second assault.
You fucking kid me.
At all.
I'm gonna say allegedly.
Fuck.

(27:03):
Uh, there were a lot of agenciesinvolved when, or there are a
lot of agencies involved whensomething like this happens on a
reservation, and one will blamethe other when the information
goes unnoticed.
The system will fail Emily moretimes than should ever be
allowed.
She's not the only one, but sheis who we are talking about

(27:25):
today.
And this is gonna be a roughone.
I'm just gonna keep that at thetop.
So after two assaults in oneyear, this poor sweet girl, her
mental health declined, and shewould attempt suicide more than
once.
She was only 12.

(27:45):
And this would lead to her beingremoved from her home and into
the care of the San CarlosApache Tribal Social Service,
who would put her in a grouphome, and this group home was
called Sacred Journey Inc.
in Mesa, Arizona.
She would be there off and onfor the next year and a half.
This was a hundred miles awayfrom her reservation.

(28:08):
It's a long way from home.
I mean, we have traversed up anddown highways, so a hundred
miles to us doesn't seem like alot, but for somebody who is no
is not traveled, a hundred milesis a lot.

SPEAKER_01 (28:21):
And to be stuck with a bunch of, you know, you don't
know what kind of people.
Right.
You're back in some kind ofsituation that could happen
again.
And I think you're gonna flip alot more shit over the house.

SPEAKER_02 (28:31):
Well, this group home is for girls from ages
seven to eighteen.
And uh their description setsthat they utilize a holistic
therapeutic approach to provideeach child with a supportive,
non-judgmental, culturally basedexperience so that each child
can enhance and develop lifeskills for future survival once

(28:54):
they refer uh return to theirnatural environment.
Now she was able to have somecontact with her family, but it
was limited.
Like they're not allowed cellphones and things like that,
which in my opinion, I kind ofdisagree with.

SPEAKER_01 (29:08):
Even Happy Gilmore thought he was dropping his mom
off at a cool spot, you know?

SPEAKER_02 (29:11):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (29:12):
His grandma.
Grandma, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (29:14):
Um, but I think that if they're at least in their
preteens or early teens, even ata group home, they could have a
cell phone to provide limitedaccess to family members that
she needs that contact becausewhen you're away, she needs that
contact and support if there'speople there to support you.

SPEAKER_01 (29:32):
You want them to be available to help build you back
up out of whatever you're in atthe moment.
So it's a good way to have aphone and contact, you know?

SPEAKER_02 (29:42):
And quick, just very quick side story.
Um, I've talked about it beforeon here.
My older two kids were verytroubled, and my oldest went to
it wasn't a group home, but itwas like a ranch where boys can
go and learn life skills thatdid not.
It was basically boys that wouldeither get in trouble a lot and

(30:03):
not want to listen to theirparents.
So they would go there and theywould learn more structure, more
repetitive type situations.
And one of the stipulations whenhe went there, it was for a very
brief time, unfortunately.
It I think it would have helpedif he had been there more long
term, but yeah, the fat the theex-husband intervened.

SPEAKER_01 (30:27):
But anyways, yeah, and then being like a
stepfather, honestly, I wantedto plug this in.
Like I wasn't so corporal onthem, but at the time it was
more shock and awe.
I would do more shock and awethings, and it was just like
this isn't working, and I don'twant to level up to anything
crazy.
So it was like, we need to makechoices.

SPEAKER_02 (30:43):
The thing that I didn't like was they did require
the first two weeks that theyare there, no contact with the
family at all, which is veryhard for me.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (30:53):
I don't understand those types of systems.
Well, I mean, I I kind of get itbecause I wanted to say one word
on that.
Well, it's two words.
Reset, reset.

SPEAKER_02 (31:02):
Oh my god.
Aaron's gonna punch you in theface.
I don't even gotta punch you inthe face this time.

SPEAKER_01 (31:06):
Aaron's gonna do it.

SPEAKER_02 (31:07):
Uh no, we have broke that down, I think, on the pod
before.

SPEAKER_01 (31:10):
Aaron was in a band of mine.
But anyhow, we'll talk aboutthat.
Uh, if if you guys want to hearabout it, hit us up.
And uh just a big one.
So the reset, the reset, reset,though, uh, was for them to
actually break away a little bitfrom the household and let them
kind of reset their their way ofstructure and everything in that
in that environment.

SPEAKER_02 (31:30):
But my oldest was the same age as Emily at that
time, and 12 is young still.
She's a baby.

SPEAKER_03 (31:39):
And she's been through so much already.

SPEAKER_02 (31:40):
All right, yeah.
Way more than my kid wentthrough.
Yeah.
So, I mean, my kid went throughsome shit, but nothing like
Emily has gone through.

SPEAKER_01 (31:47):
Yeah, I feel like more than anybody at this table.
I mean, especially that age forsure.
You know, it's just horrific.

SPEAKER_03 (31:54):
Yeah, we have our we have our dog chewing that went
through boot camp.

SPEAKER_02 (31:59):
Yeah, chewy.

SPEAKER_03 (32:00):
So like we couldn't see him.
But yeah, we couldn't see him oranything for our.

SPEAKER_02 (32:05):
Yeah, these are the mothers of my uh niece and
nephew fur babies.
Yes.
R, R.

SPEAKER_01 (32:11):
Our niece and nephew fur babies.
Or our.
Is it R or hour?
I like to do the I like to dothe word play sometimes with the
potatoes and potatoes.

SPEAKER_02 (32:23):
Exactly, potato.
It looks like a little potatoanyway.

SPEAKER_01 (32:26):
I think down here, down here, because uh we're in
the south part of Florida.
We haven't moved past Orlando,so is it R.

unknown (32:32):
R.

SPEAKER_01 (32:33):
Whatever.
We're in the north part ofFlorida, you mean?
No, no, no, no.
The north part of Florida is thesouth.
Oh, we go past the southernwe're closer to Georgia.

SPEAKER_02 (32:48):
Well, yeah.
What were you saying about Chewythough?
Because of the boot camp.

SPEAKER_03 (32:53):
Oh, I was just saying that uh, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (32:55):
And that was hard for you guys.
I remember because I was likeconversing with Aaron about it.
That was fucking tough, man.

SPEAKER_01 (33:00):
That's your baby.
You love your animals.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (33:05):
He's a dog compared to a child, so like it's
completely no, no.

SPEAKER_01 (33:10):
The Chewy jersey under yeah, you understand that
the jerseys.
Yeah, we I'll I'll do it likethis again, Aaron, over here,
but I'm not gonna say it.

SPEAKER_03 (33:17):
I'm not gonna say it.

SPEAKER_02 (33:18):
Well, say these fur babies are both rescues, and
that makes you guys even moreawesome because they are.
I'm gonna say it in now.

SPEAKER_01 (33:25):
Six seven.
Six seven.
I did it.
Look at that.
Well, the kids she's hating onme over here.

SPEAKER_02 (33:31):
The kids at Sacred Journey were free to come and go
with permission.
Like they could go to the store,the movies, things like that,
but they would have a timeallotment.
Well, Emily and this, and andalso many other kids at this
place, um, and group homes allover the country, probably the

(33:53):
world, uh, would start runningaway because she just wanted to
go home.
But home was a hundred milesaway.
So she would be reported missingfour times between September and
November of 2023.
The agency explains that anytimea child leaves the home without
permission, they are required bylaw to report them missing right

(34:14):
away.
So even if they return in thesame day on their own volition
or they are caught by localpolice, they still have to be
reported missing.
It's the law.
So when that stacks up, I'm justlike prefacing here, when that
stacks up, it looks like a lotof children have been missing

(34:35):
from this area, but it's justthe reports.
Yeah.
So when she would be found andreturned by police, she would
beg not to return because of thechores and duties that the kids
were required to do.
Now they were required to dothings like scrub walls,
baseboards, toilets, dependingon whatever, like any kind of

(34:58):
punishment.
And they also, this facilityfelt like structure and chores
was a way to regulate wild andfree kids because a lot of these
kids who had come from troubledhomes did not know any type of
structure.

SPEAKER_01 (35:15):
And not to take away like the missing Native American
people.

SPEAKER_02 (35:18):
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm just explaining this agencykind of how they do their
records, right?

SPEAKER_01 (35:24):
You know, they this kid ran away, so they're
missing.

SPEAKER_02 (35:26):
Well, and also how they did their daily lives.
Right.
Um, and and I can just attestfrom my oldest child being in a
situation like this, he wouldhave to do the same thing.
Like they had chores in themorning, school during the day,
more chores, more chores in theafternoon.

(35:46):
It was like farming and stuff,you know, farming type things.

SPEAKER_01 (35:49):
Can you really boil down a lot of it either way to
the hardship and things that arehappening in Native American
culture and society withinreservations, you know?
There's a lot of things that uhthat we don't know about because
we're fortunate over here doingour things, but what they have
to do.

SPEAKER_02 (36:06):
Oh, they have to live in it's a whole different
world than what a white personlives in.

SPEAKER_01 (36:09):
And we don't understand it.
A whole different world.
I can pull up my you know, mypoverty childhood or whatever,
and relate some things andalcoholism with my father and
things like that.
I can pull up some things and Iget some of it, but we don't
really grasp what's deep-rootedNative American things that are
going on.
Uh indigenous people.

(36:30):
Well, like I yeah, I was gonnasay, like I said, her father's
poverty-stricken societies, youknow, and there's a lot of and
her father was in and out ofprison, and her mother was an
addict, so it's just a terriblesituation.

SPEAKER_03 (36:42):
I mean, bottom line is there are a lot of programs
that are geared towards umstructure and you know, just
rehabilitating kids.
But there are some shitty ones.

SPEAKER_02 (36:56):
There's a lot of shitty ones, shitty ones, and
kids who are not used to anytype of structure whatsoever.
This is shocking to them.
So, of course, they're gonna andand then and then they just she
just wanted to go home.

SPEAKER_01 (37:09):
Boom.
Just yeah, even if home sucked,to what she's comfortable with,
that's what she wanted to doback with.

SPEAKER_03 (37:16):
But again, it's kind of a it it just gears towards
that it was a shitty program.

SPEAKER_01 (37:21):
Right.
Yeah, so far I'm not hearing agood thing.

SPEAKER_02 (37:23):
Well, that's what I'm gonna get into next because
she complained that some of thestaff were awful to her, and
this would be confirmed by otherkids in the home.
There were other kids in thehome.
There was another uh one ladythat I watched on YouTube, I
should have written her namedown, who spoke about this case.
She said that she actuallytalked to other kids in the

(37:46):
home, and one kid said that shewould have rather gone to jail
than go back to this home.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (37:52):
We're calling it the Happy Gilmore scenario.

SPEAKER_02 (37:55):
But at the same time, that kid had never been to
jail.
She just felt like anythingwould have been better than this
home.

SPEAKER_01 (38:02):
Right.
Yes, you just want to get away.
I mean, here we go, right?
You're gonna put us in ashittier situation in the middle
of the state.

SPEAKER_02 (38:10):
Because they don't because anything that they're
not used to is gonna be shittierthan what they're used to.

SPEAKER_03 (38:17):
Bottom line, yeah.
It's gonna be shitty no matterwhat.
Yeah.
But when it comes to bottom lineof what it means for them in the
future, it's a lot.

SPEAKER_02 (38:26):
This is so much for kids to intake.
And it just early.

SPEAKER_03 (38:30):
That's why we have fucking dogs.

SPEAKER_02 (38:32):
Right.
And I listen, and I love thatfor you guys as a mother of
four.
Keep the dogs.

SPEAKER_01 (38:41):
Yes.
We we love them kids.
We love them kids.

SPEAKER_02 (38:44):
Yes, but it is it's not for the faint of heart, for
sure.
But on November 8th, 2023, acall was made to the police that
Emily had attempted suicideagain.
This was while she was in thehome.
She had tried to hang herself ina closet with a shoestring and

(39:06):
cut her wrists.
Now, Emily's aunt and uncle onher father's side, they were
gonna try to adopt her in thistime setting.
And they were approved to takeher on a family trip for
Thanksgiving.
After spending time with Emilyon the trip, it became clear to
them that Emily may be more thanthey could take on.

(39:28):
So they were shopping at a malland she ran away.
Uh, this was on Black Friday.
So, you know, the malls areinsane.
They had to report her missingbecause gigantic mall.
They were in somewhere in theOklahoma and Utah area.
That was where they were going.

(39:48):
She was going to go meet morerelatives, things like that.
Well, she was found by anofficer, and she just screamed
to him that she just wanted togo home to her mother or the
group home.
So even being out with her auntand uncle was like too much for
her.

SPEAKER_01 (40:04):
She was doing the best she could to try to uh get
back to everybody else and havea you know a little bit.
She just wanted her mom, period.

SPEAKER_02 (40:11):
And unfortunately, her mom was not in a mental
state to be a good mom to her atthat time.
You got me turned out.
And she didn't understand that.
I know, listen, you're gonna I'mgonna plant the whole time.
I'm really, I'm really so sorry.
Well, and her Aunt Carolyn waslike, hey, you know, Emily,
we're here for you and just wantto help you and love you.

(40:34):
And the officer that was likedetaining her had like a hold of
her arm, and Emily reached forhis gun.
So Carolyn said that Emilyexpressed that she wanted to die
by suicide, and she would seeher relatives in hell.
Like she was very troubled.

(40:54):
I know I am too stuck.
I can't even look at you rightnow because I'm gonna go into
full-blown tear.
So when this happened, she wastaken to a hospital for suicide
watch.
And then she was taken back tothe group home and then into a
behavioral treatment center fora year.
And I couldn't find a lot ofwhat happened anytime during

(41:16):
this behavioral uh treatmentcenter period.
Well, then she went back to thegroup home after a year at the
treatment center, and they saidthat she was in a better mental
state.
She seemed to be back toherself, more focused, and now
she wanted to pursue art school.
Okay, here's where it getsrough.

SPEAKER_01 (41:34):
No, because I was hoping you were done.
You're not even done.
You got a whole lot more to go.
Lindsay, look at me.

SPEAKER_02 (41:40):
I told you that I'm not gonna look at you because
I'm gonna cry and I gotta getthrough this.

SPEAKER_01 (41:45):
I was really, oh my God.
Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02 (41:48):
So on January 27th of this year, 2025, Emily asked
permission to use the home'scomputer to contact her mother
and was told no.
Obviously, that it that made herupset.
So later on in the day, a churchgroup came through to do some uh

(42:09):
some activities with the girls.
Um uh the it said in a lot ofthe resources that I watched
that this particular churchchurch group and other ones will
come in and just like volunteertheir time to lift these kids'
spirits up, to make thingsbetter, to do activities with
her or with them.
Well, later on in the day, Emilywould sneak out of the window to

(42:32):
either meet up with a boy thatshe had met through guitar
lessons or to hitchhike home toher mother.
She was wearing a pink and grayshirt and set out on foot.
Around 7:35 p.m., the staffnoticed that she was missing and
reported her as a runaway, likeright away, to the Mesa Police

(42:55):
Department.
And they did not see this as anemergency because of her history
of running away in the past.

SPEAKER_03 (43:02):
Regardless, she's 12.

SPEAKER_02 (43:04):
She was 14 at this time.
I'm sorry.
She's four freshly 14 at thistime.

SPEAKER_01 (43:09):
That's where the the tears come in because it's
broken.

SPEAKER_02 (43:11):
I know.

SPEAKER_01 (43:12):
Little child.

SPEAKER_03 (43:13):
Why would this child run away so many times?

SPEAKER_02 (43:16):
And she's not the only one.
Like, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's roots ofnastiness.

SPEAKER_03 (43:22):
But hey, if you run a race run away so many times,
you you become normal.
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (43:27):
So like that's kind of and I had, and Aaron knows I
had I went through that with mysecond child.
Like our literal local policedepartment got tired of me
calling.
But I told them, I said, I'msorry that you're tired of me
calling, but I have to.
He is a child.
He was actually this age.
He was 14 years old.
He's still a minor.

(43:48):
I'm not gonna get in trouble fornot reporting him, and I need to
make sure he's safe.

SPEAKER_01 (43:52):
And it was once a month, then it became a once a
week.
It literally.
It was a lot.
It was a lot for us to take in,and you know, we did the best we
could with it.

SPEAKER_02 (44:01):
Well, when Emily was not found, she was officially
listed as a missing slashrunaway juvenile.
She did not meet therequirements for an amber alert.

SPEAKER_01 (44:14):
What?
Not even cool enough to fuckingbe part of the everything that
everybody else gets.
She's not she doesn't get shedoesn't get the golden ticket of
like humanity.
No, just regular ass fuckingwhat, Lindsay?

SPEAKER_02 (44:28):
Quit.
Hold on.
Yeah, I want to say, yeah, we'lltalk about that more towards the
end.

SPEAKER_01 (44:33):
Pissed off.
Revolution.

SPEAKER_02 (44:34):
Well, her CPS case manager wasn't told for a few
days.
And then her mother wasn't tolduntil February 1st.
She went missing on January27th.
Her mother was not told tillFebruary 1st.
Let that sink in.

SPEAKER_01 (44:53):
That's why we drank.
Probably.

SPEAKER_02 (44:56):
Yeah, that is, yeah.
That's our drink about it.
For so many reasons, but yeah, Ithink.

SPEAKER_01 (45:01):
I want our two guests over here just to get
fired the fuck up right nowbecause I know they're ready.
They're holding in.

SPEAKER_03 (45:07):
Why the fuck not about the Amber Alert?
Because this isn't the 70s.
This is what, 2024?

SPEAKER_02 (45:13):
And I'm really not sure.
Like, as exactly.
As much as I looked into it andthe and everything, all anybody
could say was she didn't meetthe requirements for an Amber
Alert.
I don't know if it's because shewas a teenager or because she
was a multiple-time runaway.
I don't know.

(45:34):
But that pissed me off.
But flyers were put upeverywhere with her description.
And which I'm uh, listeners, I'mgonna really quick just give a
picture to Jesse, Aaron, andMorgan so they can know.
Oh, sorry.
My microphone was not in theright spot.

SPEAKER_03 (45:54):
You're gonna share a picture of us flipping.

SPEAKER_02 (45:56):
I just I just want you to have her face and um
Yeah, it makes you makes youpuddle up even more.
Thanks, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_01 (46:02):
I'm sorry, but I want y'all to have a beautiful
child child that gets noattention.
I hate it.
I hate it.

SPEAKER_02 (46:12):
So this was Emily.
This was Emily Pike.
Oh wow.
I'm showing them, and this willbe in our stories on Instagram.
Drink about something onInstagram, follow us.
So on February 14th, uh somefolks were walking on a trail on
Highway 60 near Globe, Arizona,and found some contractor grade

(46:38):
garbage bags.
And upon looking into them, theycalled the authorities.
This is a quote, unidentifiednative woman.
Now another girl in the area wasmissing, and when the remains

(46:59):
were determined that they were,they did not belong to her,
there was a memo that had goneout that had been released that
was only meant for other lawenforcement officials and the
father of this other missingchild.
And he shared that private memo.
And I just wanted, I just wantit to be known that that is the

(47:22):
only reason why we know aboutthis case, because that father
shared this memo, this privatememo, and the remains would be
confirmed as Emily's, and theywere dismembered.
I have I have my tissue's near.
Okay.
You do.

SPEAKER_04 (47:41):
I see it.

SPEAKER_02 (47:43):
So her head and her tor torso were in one bag, and
her legs were in another.
Her arms and hands have stillnot been found to this day.
Her family was informed onFebruary 28th, and her death was
ruled as a homicide, but thecause was not discovered for

(48:08):
some time.
It has been ruled now as bluntforce trauma because they did
notice that the head had trauma.
So this case was going to beinvestigated by it the Gila
County Sheriff's Department, theFBI, the Bureau of Indian

(48:31):
Affairs, and the San CarlosApache Tribal Police.
Her remains were found 25 milesfrom her home.
So that is most likely where shewas headed when she left.
Don't forget, she was 100 milesfrom home in Mesa, Arizona.
Her remains were found 25 milesfrom her home.

(48:53):
Now, there were immediatedemonstrations, marches, vigils,
everything that could be had washeld in her honor to bring
attention to a case that mayhave otherwise been looked been
looked over completely.
The group home was immediately,immediately scrutinized.

(49:17):
Because for one, now this isjust speculation, but uh why
didn't they go out and look forher when they immediately
noticed her missing?
Now, they do say that they are ahands-off organization.
Like they don't put their handson the kids, they don't
physically restrain them.
But why couldn't one or twostaff go out and look?

(49:37):
I I don't know how everythingworks.
I really don't.
The only thing that I cancompare it to at all is our
second son, who is the mosttroubled member of our family
who has been in trouble a lotwhen he was in a behavioral
rehabilitation home when he heran away one time.

(49:59):
And when as soon as they calledthe police, they called us.
It was within 30 minutes of himrunning away.
So easy.
And this, like I said, thishappened this year.
My son was in a place like thateight years ago.

SPEAKER_03 (50:18):
When something like that happens, you want as many
people on top of it as possible.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (50:22):
No matter how many times they do it.

SPEAKER_03 (50:23):
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 (50:28):
Oh, that's yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Like, my kid, when he was ranaway, they called the police
first, they called us second.
And it was all within a30-minute, and I mean, oh, this
just really this really bothersme.
All of the miscommunication, youknow, the agencies would all
start pointing at one of oneanother, like for the blame of

(50:50):
why this person didn't do thisand that person didn't do that.

SPEAKER_03 (50:55):
And the adult responsible for that child, no
matter what circumstance thatthat child was in, it doesn't
matter.
Whoever was responsible for thatchild is at fault.
Exactly.
Bottom line, it doesn't matter.
And for the lack ofcommunication to what happened
to her, yada yada, like that istheir fault for not reporting

(51:19):
sooner, but also the uh lawenforcement for not taking it
seriously, like and pointing epointing fingers at each other
for blame does not help findthis child.

SPEAKER_02 (51:32):
So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (51:33):
But I think bottom line is like law enforcement
could have done more.
Well, they wouldn't have topoint fingers at each other.

SPEAKER_02 (51:39):
That's what I'm saying.
Like them pointing fingers ateach other doesn't make it any
less horrific.
No.
Well, where Morgan's talkingabout, though, over here is the
first point of responsibility.

SPEAKER_01 (51:50):
You don't stop until it's solved.
Exactly.
You don't stop.
You you okay.
I'm responsible.
I don't stop until I have foundthe best outcome for whatever
situation.

SPEAKER_02 (52:00):
So you you're an Amber alert could have saved her
life, also.

SPEAKER_01 (52:05):
Like all of that immediate go outside of your
jurisdiction because if you feellike that's some bullshit, the
intertermal and people wantingto fight against each other
between two different societiesand two different entities or
whatever that are supposed to bethere for these people.
And the only reason that youkeep moving on out in bigger
things.
You're like, okay, I'm going upthe ladder, you're not doing it.

(52:25):
I'm gonna go on outside of thisand get somebody that will.

SPEAKER_03 (52:28):
The only reason they're pointing fingers now is
because the child is dead.
Exactly.
And dismembered because of theparts of her body had not been
like, the bad guy.

SPEAKER_01 (52:37):
Nobody wants to look like the bad guy.
But first point is is the adultthat is responsible.

SPEAKER_03 (52:42):
Like, I if I were in this circumstance, right, and I
was to be the head of thischild, I was supposed to be
looking after her, and somethinghappened while she was under my
care, I would beat the shit outmyself.

SPEAKER_01 (52:55):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 (52:56):
I I I really don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (52:58):
If you go to this completely emotionally
distraught because you didn'tstep up to be a decent human
being.

SPEAKER_02 (53:05):
And if you go to this uh website right now, like
I looked yesterday, the ratingsand the Google reviews now are
now they are listed technicallyas closed, but they're not
closed, but they are underserious investigation.

(53:27):
Like because another thing wasthat this facility had 30
reported missing kids, but nowpart of protocol, many of these
reports were multiple for thesame kid.
Like Emily had, I think, four orfive under just her.
Yeah.
So it was a total of 18 kidsthat had run away.

(53:51):
30 reports total were made forthose 18 kids, but all of them
except Emily had been, you know,safely returned.
There is one more, though, thatthey think, and I'm not, uh and
this is alleged, that they thinkis just waiting out her turning
18 to age out of the time.

(54:12):
Kind of write her off, right?
Yeah.
Well, no, for they think thatshe has ran away and hidden so
that she doesn't have to returnbecause she's about to age out
of the system.
That's what I'm saying.
Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 (54:24):
She's waiting out her time that way they can be
like, okay, we're good.

SPEAKER_02 (54:26):
You know, and also for her, she doesn't have to
return to this home becauseshe'll be overage.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (54:32):
So I mean, this is the point of awareness globally,
because our podcast does reacheverywhere in the globe now.
And thank you for listening,everyone.
This is awareness, and it mayhappen.

SPEAKER_02 (54:43):
Oh, yeah, and I'm gonna keep plugging awareness,
yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (54:46):
As far as like missing, murdered, and true
crime for Native American peopleand especially women, pay
attention to what's going onaround you and be responsible
and level up if you feel likeit's not happening in your
society, and you're and you'renot getting the amber alert that
you need because you're notgetting that 30-minute response.

SPEAKER_02 (55:06):
Well, I'm not about to talk about that here in a
second.

SPEAKER_01 (55:08):
So that's where we're at at this point.
That's that's our advocate,though.
Yeah, right.
You didn't have that person tostep up.

SPEAKER_02 (55:15):
Yeah, and that's just and when you hear about a
14-year-old who was murdered,speculation's gonna run wildly.
So people were literallythinking that a sex trafficking
ring was happening out of thisfacility.
Now, no official documentationhas been, you know, said that

(55:35):
this that could even be apossibility, but it's gonna
happen if you're not if you havea person in your care that is
now deceased and dismembered.
So there were even rumors ofEmily being a blood sacrifice
and that the facility wasoccult.

SPEAKER_01 (55:55):
Oh, here we go.

SPEAKER_02 (55:56):
Yeah.
And to me, that takes away theseriousness and the absolute
horrific tragedy of whathappened to this girl who just
wanted to go home to her mom.
Right.
Well, somebody was trying tolean on that, right?
And it's like, stop speculating.
Let's just get down to business.
Like the the system failed her,period.
Period.
The amber alert system was notin her favor, and that would

(56:19):
have saved her life.
Now, Sarah Torney from Voices ofJustice, who I got a lot of my
information from, she says,because she knows she has
actually worked with foster kidsand in a group home um
environment, she has a littlebit of experience.
So she says that predators knowwhere these homes are, and they

(56:41):
know that kids will run awayfrom them, and those kids will
be vulnerable.
And that makes my skin fuckingcrawl.
Like literally.
They're targeting all thesedistraught.
Because they're publicfacilities that are listed on
Google.
You can look this one up rightnow, and they know that people

(57:02):
that or that people thatchildren will run away from
these to try to get home or totry to go to somewhere else,
just try to run away, period.
And they're waiting.
They're just waiting.
And then Emily had two peoplethat were not incarcerated for
the crimes that they committedagainst her, that now knew that

(57:24):
she had reported them toauthorities.
So it just, I gotta take a stepon that.
Hold on one second.
I think we all should know.
In my Bucky's cup.
But fortunately, there is now alaw in place called Emily's Law,
and which is a turquoise alertsystem for individuals and

(57:47):
federally recognized tribes thatdo not meet the criteria for an
amber alert, which, like I saidbefore, may have saved Emily's
life.
This will help future crimes ofthis nature.
The turquoise alert.
Now, indigenous women are tentimes more likely to be murdered

(58:09):
or sexually assaulted assaultedthan any other women in North
America.
Ten times.

SPEAKER_01 (58:18):
That's the awareness we're here for.

SPEAKER_02 (58:20):
Yet are one of the least recognized.
And we need to change this now.
Right.
Now I'm gonna plug this.
A$150,000 reward has been setfor information on Emily's case.
Now, and I haven't been able tofind any further updates past

(58:42):
April of this year.
Her family, along with all theagencies I mentioned, already
still continue to fight forjustice, and no arrests have
been made in her murder.
And they really okay, so I toldyou guys that her hands and arms
haven't been found, and theythink that those were probably

(59:03):
disposed of because of DNAevidence, like if it's under her
fingernails, anything like that.

SPEAKER_01 (59:10):
They were thinking that they couldn't identify
anything because of what theydid by taking that away,
probably.
Right.
And I'm thinking that this wasprobably from outside of that
area where she was trying to getback to her home.
She was trying to go home to hermom.
Who knows about what the fuck?
And I think that there'stargets, definitely, for places
like this, just like you said,somebody snatched her up and

(59:32):
probably offered her a sweetdeal.

SPEAKER_02 (59:34):
Well, and I encourage our listeners, just
look up anything related toEmily Pike on YouTube as far as
interviews with her family andfriends, and even video photos
of her.
That way you can make it morepersonal for you.

SPEAKER_01 (59:48):
Right.
Awareness across the board.

SPEAKER_02 (59:50):
For awareness.

SPEAKER_01 (59:51):
Everyone, tell your children right now, no matter
what situation and what point oflife you're in, right now,
never.
Ever trust anybody that's goingto offer you some sweet deal
because you're depressed,suicidal, you're going through
some kid trauma stuff that ifyou had trauma in your life and
you can't figure it out, nevertrust anybody in an unsafe

(01:00:15):
situation without other peoplethat are there also to be there
for you.
Get around people that arepositive, pay attention to
people, teach your childrenthat.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:25):
Never mind five and make sure they know, do not
trust a stranger.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:31):
Never they have an agenda and you don't want to
know about it because especiallystrangers that are right outside
a group home setting.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:44):
Yeah.
Like, because according to SarahTurney, and I mean, like,
literally listen to any Voicesfor Justice.
So Sarah Turney has, and I'mgoing to talk about her later on
for another case.
She has, she's attached toanother completely different
case of this, which has made hera voices for justice advocate.

(01:01:04):
She has her own podcast and shespeaks on things like this to
try to help bring awareness toany missing person situation
because she is attached to amissing person.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:14):
And let this roll down all the way to schools and
education and everything,because maybe the parents aren't
good enough to portray that ontheir children.
Right.
Don't plug our podcast by anymeans to them, but let the
awareness get to them.
Everyone.

(01:01:53):
Yeah, keep it PG as you can, butjust make kids aware.
It's the kid, it's it's it'sit's the van and the candy
scenario, right?
Right.
But make it more elaborate wherethere's situations all
throughout life, all throughoutyour uh whatever being you are,
whatever you're going throughemotionally, make them
understand no matter where youare, never get into that space.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:15):
Emily and every other missing and murdered
indigenous woman and personsmatter, and more reform needs to
be had on this subject.
And everybody at this tableright now can agree to that.
So if you listeners have anyinformation about this case,
here are numbers that you cancall.
So the Gila County Sheriff'sDepartment is 928-200-2352.

(01:02:44):
The Bureau of Indian Affairs is505-917-7830.
And the San Carlos Apache TribeTribal Police is 928-475-1755.
Let's get justice for Emily.

(01:03:06):
And all, I mean, we're going totalk about more in the future,
but all missing, murdered andindigenous women and persons,
any missing child, period, thatdidn't.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:21):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:22):
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, there's so many kids outthere that have been just
mistreated.
And um, you know, there'sthere's so much justice that
could happen for them.
And I think it it doesn't juststop at, you know, it's a
stranger that on them, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:43):
No, because in most cases it's actually somebody in
the family.
No, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:49):
So exactly.
And I think um not even for justNative Americans, just humanity
as a whole.
Like if you think someone ishurting you that you know,
report them to even your ownparents, maybe, or or even as
hard as it may be, or report itor more, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:09):
Like I don't know where it would make sense for
them in that moment in time, butand that's another, like uh, you
know, mostly adults arelistening to this, but teach
your kids that no matter what,if something happened to you or
somebody that you know, talkabout it, report it immediately.

(01:04:32):
Even if it may be discouragingat first, keep talking about it,
keep reporting it, just keeptelling the story until
something is done and thingslike this are lower in
statistics or eliminatedcompletely.
That would be great.
I know that that's you know in aperfect world, right?

(01:04:55):
But the statistics around thistype of thing are just so large.
It's it's saddening,frightening, all of the above.
Like you just you don't want tothink about it as a person in
you know, in your comfortableworld, in your comfortable home,
and you haven't been close tosomething like this, but then

(01:05:17):
when you hear about things likethis, you make it personal.
Share, do the work.
I mean, even uh I mean a simpleshare about Emily's case can
help tremendously.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:30):
Put your phones down and have story time.
Talk about good shit.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:34):
And on your phone, share the case.
There you go.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:37):
You got it.
Be personable, be in in frontand make them understand at
their level.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:42):
To Jesse's point is to just figure your own kid out.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:47):
Be good parents.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:49):
Try and figure out their mindset online, you know.
It's it's tough, though.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:55):
You know, it's so, it's so hard.
It's so hard.
Being a parent is that's hard.
It's insanely hard because youyou feel like you can never
teach them everything that theyneed to know.
And then sometimes when I lookat my kids and or you know,
especially my adult kids, andthey have learned something that

(01:06:16):
I didn't teach them, I'm like,oh my god, thank God.
Thank God I forgot to teach themthat.
We're finding their way.
But thank God that they knewthat they know that they have
learned this, right?

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:26):
Always do the best you can, hope for the best, and
uh maintain that path.
If you're gonna walk that path,don't accept that
responsibility, whether it'skids or animals, you do the best
you can.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:40):
Don't even equate our parentship as well.
No, you guys are in life.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:46):
You guys are great for baby parents.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:51):
But yeah, I mean, honestly, it all really does
boil down to being the peoplethat you need to be for teaching
whatever you're trying to raise,raise it in the right way.
You know, walk that path in theright way.
Don't let them go any other way.
And if they if they do it in thelong run, they can do that as as
grown adults, but you're givingthem the best you can and hoping

(01:07:14):
for the best.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:15):
And we and it saddens me in the year of 2025
that we still have so manypeople falling under the radar.
Um this is horrific.
What happened to this littlegirl?

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:33):
Really fell shame.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:34):
And it's brutal.
And like you said, it only likewe talked, Aaron and I talked
off mic a little bit.
I mean, it only happened, liketraction only happened on this
case because there was anothermissing child involved.
And the father of that childshared this leaked memo.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:54):
It's so sick.
It is that people just somepeople want to do this crap, you
know, to to any person.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:03):
Right.
And that's where everybody needsto understand that you do not
know who is watching or waitingaround the corner.
You just don't know.
Be on high alert constantly,share things like this
constantly for more awarenessthat this stuff does happen all
the time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:23):
Yeah, predators hide in the bushes and they know how
to pounce.
That's what they're preparedfor.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:28):
And I mean, and it it it literally made everything
in my body from head to toechilled when Sarah Turney in her
podcast said that predators knowwhere these facilities are and
they are waiting for a runawayto happen.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:47):
This is just one of thousands, everyone.
I really want y'all tounderstand that this is a big
thing that is just eating up thethe Native American culture, the
the indigenous women.
It's just, it's it's horrific.
And Lindsay, you have really, Ithink you've really puddled all
three of us over here.

(01:09:08):
I know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:08):
I have my tissues ready and I made it without
crying because I did crythroughout this whole week, and
I even told Jesse because weweren't sure if um this was the
week that we were gonna talkabout this case, and I'm like,
look, it's done.
And I have cried about it, andwe're gonna talk about it no
matter what.
So here we are.

(01:09:29):
And I apologize to my Bessie andher wife for this not being a
more light-hearted subject.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:38):
A light-hearted true crime show.
Well, I know, right?

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:42):
You can't get really that much light-hearted, like
period.
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:46):
So you had you had your guest, and now I was
wanting to put on a guest too.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:50):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:51):
And uh, I'm hoping to have this amazing guest on,
Al Santos.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:58):
Al is so cool.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:59):
Alexander is a Grammy Award winner, and I want
to talk to him about that.
I want to plug this in here.
Ladies and gentlemen, I have avery special guest for you, Mr.
Al Santos.
Say hey, Al.
Hey, what's going on?
How you been, man?

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:17):
Man, I've been great, man.
Uh, extremely blessed just uhtraveling, as you probably
already know.
I've been uh I think we're goingon the week 32 consecutive.
But it's like this every year,you know.
Uh it's well, I couldn't saythat.
It's it's always been busy, butnow it's been a lot more so

(01:10:38):
because, of course, the projectsthat I've done and the Marvel
Disney Echo TV series plus theuh Apple films uh movie Fancy
Dance, you know.
And uh pretty soon, hopefully,fingers crossed, we were asked
to be in uh season four of TulsaKing with Sylvester Sloan.
Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:57):
Yeah, I've been watching that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:58):
Yeah, there's a lot, a lot going on, you know.
So uh now we're full-fledgedmembers of the Screen Actors
Guild.
And of course, you know, we putout our 11th album.
We I still call them album, butrecording.
So just just extremely busy.
Of course, my wrestlingprojects.
Uh I got inducted into three prowrestling hall of fames.

(01:11:19):
Uh, I just did a show with thelegendary hacksaw Jim Duggan,
Jerry the King, Lawler.
Yeah, dude, a lot, a lot of goodstuff, man.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:26):
Awesome.
Yeah, I met uh I met you yearsago.
Um, I want to go back real quickbecause we we talk about the
powwow bug, you know, like howyou you really get you fall
completely in love with justbeing around Native American uh
indigenous people in ceremoniesand and and public public
gatherings and just all thatstuff.

(01:11:47):
I kind of wanted to to go overthat with you and uh and see if
you can remember.
I know it's been so many things.
I know uh you've had you've hadme come and sing with you a few
times.
Yeah, and that's that's alwaysamazing.
Just the the sheer talent thatyou have around you, it just
it's it's it's amazing just toset at that drum and sing those

(01:12:08):
songs, you know, just so muchpower and energy.
And uh I want I wanted to saythank you for having me with all
that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:15):
Oh well, thank you for helping us because you know
we're we're very blessed to knowa lot of singers nationwide and
even in Canada, you know.
So I've never ever had a lack ofsingers.
You know, when you treat yoursingers right, you know, and and
uh, you know, some of mysingers, I'll give away drums,
you know, uh uh feathers,whatever they need.
That's what it's all about.

(01:12:36):
And that's why everywhere we go,the proof is in the fact that
everywhere we go, we never havea lack of singers, ever.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:43):
Yeah, that's when you know you're doing it right,
you know?

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:45):
That's when you know you're doing it right.
You know, there of course, youknow, in the beginning, I didn't
always have the answers.
In the beginning, it was kindof, you know, well, I started
years ago, but I figured it outpretty quickly, you know.
And if you treat it like abusiness, that's the thing.
A lot of these drunk groups failbecause they they oh well, you
know, we just do this for fun.
Well, that that's good too.
But you have you have to havesome semblance of business savvy

(01:13:08):
to to be able to be successfulbecause if you don't pay your
taxes and you get audited,that's why a lot of people wind
up in in financial trouble.
So I've always had a goodbalance between having fun, but
also not you know doing it theright way so that I don't get
audited, because you make a lotof money when you're on the
road, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:24):
Right.
Yeah, I bet.
I I did it for some years aroundthe southeast, but uh nowhere
near as professional.
Yeah.
So I remember as a as a kid, youknow, we we'd go to like North
Carolina and stuff like that,and we'd go to um some of the
old the old places like GhostTown in the Sky, and we'd watch,
you know, Rick Bird and allthose guys over there.

(01:13:44):
Oh, yeah.
And um, that's where I kind offell in love with it.
Growing up, you know, my familywasn't really deep into it.
And um a friend of mine, hisbabysitter was uh Muscogee
Creek, and she took me to apowwow and set me down at a
drum.
She's she grabbed me by the armand set me down at a powwow
drum.
And really, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:05):
Um, so she set me down at that drum, and just
because I'm talking to you andI've got you here, you know,
with an earshot.
But the reality is some peopleare just born with that innate
ability to you know to catch onto these sort of things.
And then and then and then it'ssomething that some people have
it or you don't.
And uh that's why you seesingers or even drum groups that

(01:14:26):
you know they always sing thewrong way, and you know what
exactly what I mean by that.
And then and then there'ssingers that sing the right way.
And I don't care if they'renative, white, black, you know,
there's just people that havethat innate ability to to pick
things up, and you're one ofthose people, you know.
I was I remember uh when wefirst met, you you would come to
powwows with us in Florida orwherever, and and I was like,

(01:14:47):
wow, that's pretty, you know,because the first thing as
native people we do is hey, thatguy seems pretty good for a
white guy or for a black guy orfor an Asian, you know what I
mean?
But some people, some peoplejust you know, they have that
ability, and and that's and youhave it, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:00):
Yeah, and I I just always enjoyed being able to do
it the best way I can, you know,the way that I've been taught,
you know.
And being around a couple ofcool, cool old uh the old heads,
you know, some some of ourelders and stuff.
They they taught me pretty good.
So so that was kind of the bug,you know.
I just I couldn't you were youwere at like Dothan some years
ago, and then uh I got thecourage to come up there and

(01:15:22):
ask, and I was like, you know,hey, can I sit with you?
Yeah, you were there, yeah,yeah.
Some years back.
I'll be darn.
Yeah.
So it was it was it was reallycool.
And then from then on, we kindof hooked up and didn't did some
stuff.
It was fun.
Wow.
Small world, man.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:37):
I didn't even remember that.
That's crazy.
You brought it up, and I mean Iremember going to Dauphin, it
was kind of like a coliseum,like a smaller coliseum.
I remember that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:45):
Yeah, it was just it was really cool hanging, you
know, and doing whatever.
So hopefully I'll get back toall that, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:51):
I I hope so because uh truthfully, you know,
financially it's just notfeasible.
And I'm not gonna ask thesesmall committees for what other
because we go to Powhouse now inCanada or California, we get
12,000, 14,000.
We're at that level, but a lotof these ones in Florida and a
lot of the East Coast justcouldn't do it because by the
time I flew myself and my wifeout there, I we weren't making

(01:16:12):
any money.
So I had to I had to give it tothe local guys.
Plus, we had a good run.
We were going to those Fija onesfor how long, you know?
Yeah, so the only one I I'vekept is Mount Dora, which by the
way, we'll be going there toMount Dora the last weekend in
February, first weekend inMarch.
So hopefully, fingers crossed, Iget to see you there.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:32):
Oh, yeah.
And all the listeners, y'allcome on out to Mount Dora and
check us out.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:37):
Yeah, that's just north, that's just just just
north, about 35 minutes, 40minutes north of uh Orlando.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:43):
Oh yeah, that's gonna be a good time.
Yeah.
So yeah, as far as what wetalked about earlier, what my
wife was saying, um, in the inthe indigenous cultures and you
know, the missing and and thenative women that are going
through so many strugglesthroughout, you know, North
America as being an epidemic,you know.

(01:17:03):
I I wanted to share some ofthat, especially, you know,
you've been on the road andyou've been doing so many
things.
What what are your personaltakes on that as far as it your
experiences and and uh thepeople that you've been around?

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:16):
Uh the validity of those claims as far as you know
us having uh because it itreally is uh astronomically
high, the number of women thatcome up missing or murdered.
But uh what I tell these peopleis you have to understand that
you have to it goes by thenumber of people, you know.
Uh I mean I mean, as far as arace of people, you know, we

(01:17:38):
don't number very high in thethousands, you know what I mean,
or even in the millions.
So the reason why uh it's suchuh such an issue is because uh
Native Americans as a race ofpeople were what the three
percent of the population,American population?
So it's kind of high for howmany people we have, how many

(01:17:58):
actual physical tribal people wehave.
Of course, there are more whiteones, there are more black ones,
more Hispanic, but I mean anIndian country, not only in the
United States, but in Canada.
A lot of people don't know this,but I'm gonna share with you and
the listeners something that nota lot of people know.
And the reason why it's such apersonal thing for me is because
my own sister in 1987 wasmurdered.

(01:18:21):
My only sister, I only had Ionly had one.
I'm an only child because of it.
She was, you know, murdered anduh in a very, very brutal way.
I mean, I'm talking sexuallyassaulted and then shot six
times.
Wow.
Well, she was shot six timesfirst and then sexually
assaulted.
I mean, this guy was an animal,you know.
Wow.
And then and then uh uh shetried to escape him.

(01:18:43):
They were at a bar together andshe tried to escape him and she
ran.
This was like two or three inthe morning, and we lived out in
the country.
So they saw her running down thestreet with half, you know, half
naked.
I mean, scantily clad, herclothes were ripped from her,
and she was trying to escape.
So she had two ways to get tosafety either up this road, four

(01:19:09):
houses up this road, it wouldhave been she would have got to
my house, or one house down thisother road, the four the road
fork.
So she opted to go one housedown this road to uh an
abandoned house where she knewthat my uncle, my father's
full-blooded brother, and hisson, they were both homeless,
were were sleeping at.

(01:19:31):
They were staying there fordays.
Oh my goodness.
Yeah, so she got thereremembering that he was there.
Not only did this guy shoot andkill her, but when my uncle came
out to see what was going on, heshot and killed my uncle, my
brother's, my uh, my father'sbrother.
So two of them perished.
My nep my my cousin, Eddie's,Eddie's my uncle.

(01:19:52):
Eddie's son Raul, he was the onethat was able to identify the
killer, and the next day thedude was arrested.
But to make a long story short,you know, uh when when the MMIW
movement became a thing, and andthey asked me if I wanted to
compose a national MMIW song touse in the movie Fancy Dance,

(01:20:14):
and would I also participate inthe movie?
Of course, I said yes.
Right.
Absolutely, I said yes, youknow, and so I started sharing
that story recently.
And the reason why, and it'spublic knowledge, I mean it it
made the news, you know.
But I just for some reason Ididn't want to, you know, the
whole woe was me thing.
I didn't want people to feelsorry for me.
So believe it, believe it ornot, I never shared that story

(01:20:34):
except with the producers of themovie.
And then now that I'm telling afew podcasters, because it's
really every time I talk aboutit, I I I honestly cry.
So I try not to really talkabout it too much.
But yeah, I I you knowexperienced it firsthand.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:50):
Wow, Al.
She, my wife, she tells allthese stories, and and it's it's
it's really heartbreaking howmuch true crime goes on
everywhere, and it for it to bethat personal to you.
Wow, thank you for sharing that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:06):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I you know, don't mentionit.
I I uh and that's why again, andthat's why I'm I'm I I used
that's another reason why I tooka lot of these powwows in
Florida, even though they wouldthey didn't pay very much,
because as you know, my motherlives in Orlando, she still
does, and so that was mymother's only daughter, so I'm
her only child now, you know.
So I I I try to spend as muchtime with her, and of course,

(01:21:28):
she's still very, very, youknow, fiercely independent.
That's why she hasn't moved toOklahoma with me.
She's almost 80 years old, shestill lives by herself.
So, but I try to go see her asmuch as possible.
So that was kind of my excuse tokeep going there for the for the
little amount of money I did,because I got to go see my mom.
But now we're in the process ofgetting her moved here, so
that's not uh, you know, I don'thave to worry about that

(01:21:49):
anymore.
But yeah, that was when theyasked me to be a part of that, I
was like, wow, and then ofcourse, you know, it it featured
Lily Gladstone, and she was inthat Killers of the Flower Moon
movie with with Robert De Niro.
So that was a hell of anexperience.
Man, we had we really had fun,but it was it was dude, you as
you can imagine, it was veryemotional for me, man, doing

(01:22:11):
that movie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:12):
Yeah, and um, I watched a little bit of that,
and I watched some of the echostuff too, and it just it's
amazing how much talent thatthey can gather up and put into
these, and they do it in a goodway.
And uh it's it's it's worth thestory, it's it's worth putting
it out globally, you know, thisinformation and and and check
out all the movies andeverything, you know, that you

(01:22:33):
can follow everybody that'slistening, and really focus on
spreading the news of you know,indigenous people that have been
taken and and and just the crimethat's that's getting
overlooked, because as we talkedabout with Emily Pike, that
wouldn't have been discovered ifit wasn't for another missing
person, too.
So there's a lot of stuff thatkind of gets hidden under the

(01:22:55):
rug, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:56):
That's crazy.
You know, now I I don't we're Idon't even though I do more
podcasts covering uh MarvelDisney's Echo because it's part
of the Marvel Disney franchiseor the Marvel franchise, and
it's kind of a big deal.
I do more podcasts on that, butI don't really talk too much
about that one because I'lladmit, folks, if you're gonna
watch it, it's a little on thehokey side.

(01:23:17):
But yeah, the Emily Pike thing,I like I was telling you, it's
uh yeah, that was crazy that oneof my singers was actually uh is
actually Lee Pike from Apache.
So as I was saying, that's whythat I was familiar with that
case.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:31):
And that's that's just wild to be around, you
know, so many things, and it'severywhere, you know, it's all
across North America, Canada.
And even a guy that I work within Wyoming said that that he he
even knows that there was like aring full of uh sex traffickers
and things up near the borderand everything up that way.
So you know, I I really feellike that they're kind of

(01:23:52):
targeting certain places andthings, like uh like my wife was
saying earlier in the story.
But um, you know, all thisreally just it's a good way for
us to put out true crime uh uhacross the world and globally.
And I really do appreciatehaving you on and telling your
story.
And thank you so much.
And as far as you know, yourcareer and everything is going,

(01:24:14):
do you got a Grammy?
How is that?

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:17):
Well, before I I get into that, I also want to point
out that it's it's easier forthese sex traffickers to commit
these types of crimes on Indianland because uh a lot of the
government agencies don't havejurisdiction on it, so it's easy
to get away with a crime on onthe reservation.
I hate to say it, but you know,yeah, but as far as the Grammys,
yeah.
Uh so it so what happened wasyears ago, uh original members

(01:24:40):
of Ulali, that the that uhfemale trio, Native American
trio, yeah, she called me andshe said, Hey, what are you
doing right now?
This is like this was like oneo'clock in the morning.
I had just gone to bed and Isaid, I'm not doing anything,
what's going on?
Well, I'm sending a limo to pickyou up.
I said, What?
I'm sending a limo to pick youup.
We need you to come in and dosome guttural uh chants, like

(01:25:01):
kind of Native American gutturalchance for a project we're
working on.
So I thought, you know, Ithought she was pulling my leg.
So sure enough, about 45 minuteslater, a limo pulled up, and I
was already dressed.
My little brother Chico, StephenPerez, wanted to go with me, so
he went with me.
And we got in this limo.
My of course, my then wifestayed home with the kids, and
this limo takes us to New YorkCity.

(01:25:23):
I was living in in StatenIsland, New York.
It takes us to actual Manhattan,right in front of this huge tall
building.
We get out, they open the door,we go in there, go up to the
whatever floor it was.
I walk in there, and there'sthis guy who introduces himself
and says, I'm such and such.
Uh, you know, I'm the presidentof Noise Productions too.

(01:25:43):
I they uh shuffle me into thisstudio, put the headset on me,
and say, Can you mimic the soundof kind of like Arabic Native
American chanting?
And I give me a few clips,snippets, you know, sound sound
clips.
So I of course went, oh no, no,and I can I did I did different
ones, you know, and theyselected one.
I was in there no more than six,seven minutes.

(01:26:05):
The guy says, Awesome, he shookmy hand, made me sign a contract
as a pseudo musician so that Iwouldn't I wouldn't be entitled
to royalties, and says, I heardyou were a cigar smoker.
Sonny Moreno told him I was acigar smoker.
Sure enough, he gave me a box ofCuban cigars.
I think they gave me like two orthree thousand dollars.
I don't remember what the whatthe money was, but I remember

(01:26:26):
the next day uh Sonny calling mesaying, Hey, I got another check
for you.
It was for like$1,500.
But the funny part about it isas I was walking out, I looked I
out of the studio the nightbefore, I looked into this room
and I saw who I got looked likeuh Tom Cruise.
Oh wow, the movie star.
And sure enough, come to findout, I had just done a little

(01:26:46):
guttural part for the uh uhmotion picture soundtrack.
You know, barely hear it.
In Mission Impossible, wow.
Yeah, that was so so I gotbitten by the bug, and of course
I joined the American IndianDance Theater, went all over the
world.
I've been I've been all over theworld.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:02):
What an amazing journey.
I mean, that is just amazing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:07):
Especially here in Oklahoma.
I I thought they were gonna belike, oh, well, he's just a
Hispanic or whatever, but youknow, come to find out that
Comanches, Hopi, Shoshones,Utes, they're all Aztec
speakers.
They're related to the Aztecpeople, you know.
And I and I came to find out,find that out later on.
So I have gotten adopted by somany tribal folks here to the

(01:27:27):
point where I've made over I'vemade over a hundred songs, but
over at least 30 of them belongto families and organizations
just right here in Oklahoma.
So that's a big accomplishmentfor somebody who's not from here
to have us do it composed, youknow.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:41):
Yeah, we we went to the Moa Choctaw powwow together
and we we sang them a song andyou created a song for them
there.
It was really cool.
I remember I remember doingthat, and I was like, ow, just
rats all these cool, amazingsongs for these areas and all
these people.
It's just so much talent, andI'm glad you get to share all
that everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:59):
Man, I appreciate that.
And and actually that one there,if you remember, it was my son
Junior who actually composed thesong.
I just kind of helped him.
But the Moa Choctaw, what man,you got a memory.
That's that's uh yeah, Iremember that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:12):
Yeah, it's good times up on the hill.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:16):
Yeah, yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:17):
Yeah, um, so yeah, just it's amazing, you know,
being able to speak with you andand uh you know, just you know,
thinking back about us, youknow, doing powwows together and
you know, a good drum sessionand a cigar that evening at the
hotel, you know, and oh yeah,all the amazing conversations,
and you know, it it's alwaysbeen you know a pleasure hanging

(01:28:39):
out with you and just you knowbeing around all that talent.
It's so amazing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:44):
I often wondered if there was something that I and
and and I'm sorry I'm using thisplatform to bring it up, but I
often wondered if there wassomething I said or did wrong
because uh I never saw much ofyou after that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:58):
No, just being busy, you know, and I had my rock band
and all going.
I was we're still going, yeah.
Yeah, we uh we played a showjust uh just last weekend.
We played with uh GalacticEmpire, they do all the Star
Wars metal music on.
Yeah, yeah.
And um, so being able to dothat, that's kind of my I still
get to brush around some amazingtalent and some some fame.
And you know, uh, we played atRockville at the Daytona

(01:29:22):
Speedway.
Um, you know, we won somecompetitions and stuff doing the
band stuff, so I've just beenleaning on that and you know,
raising the family and doing youknow hubby stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:33):
Yeah, well, that's good, nothing wrong with that.
I don't know if I ever told youthis, but you know, years ago I
was the lead singer for a heavymetal band.
I was really big into into rockand stuff, and and we had a
little band, not the origin, notthe prodigy that made it to
fame, but that we were calledprodigy before that prodigy.
Oh wow.
We had we had a band calledProdigy, and I was the lead

(01:29:54):
singer for it.
We had original compositions,and we entered a battle of the
bands.
Oh my god, where was it?
Saras.
It was in Florida somewhere.
I can't think of where it was.
Sarasota or something like that.
And we won.
There was there was like yeah,there were like 15 bands there,
and we won, and we won a studio,a free studio recording.
But after we won, the thepromoter of the of the actual

(01:30:16):
event uh took off with themoney.
We never saw him again, so wenever got our studio recording.
Yeah, yeah, it was pretty prettylame.
But yeah, yeah, I was kind I wasa the lead singer of a of an
actual rock band.
Isn't that crazy?

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:28):
An original prodigy.
The original prodigy.
The OG.

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:33):
And then after we after we broke up, of course,
years later, another bandstarted and they they called
themselves Prodigy.
That is awesome.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:43):
So awesome.
Yeah, I've done so manycompetitions and things.
I mean, we came in third in thenation.
That's how we got to play atRockville.
So we we did pretty good, yeah.
And they uh they had like awhole Twitch thing going on with
uh some of the guys and then theproducers and even uh DWP, they
all came in, all the guys thatcame in there and was judging

(01:31:04):
us, and then they had all thefolks that were coming across.
There was like 150,000 peoplewatching us on online and they
voted for us.
It was really cool.
I love doing that, but I do missyou though.
I'm gonna have to come and hang,you know, one of these days.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:18):
Oh man, that would be freaking awesome.
You know, and and again, uh it'sjust sometimes there's just
missed opportunities, you know.
I really wish I could convey toyou.
So, what better way than thanthrough again through this
format?
But yeah, I really thought I Ireally thought the world of you,
and I still do.
So I missed you too, and Ireally hope we get to sing
together again.
And man, we had fun.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:40):
No, I'm definitely gonna come back.
We're gonna hang for sure.
I mean, that last time we hungout, it was just it was like it
was gravity, man.
It was just like we we gottahang, you know.
So it was just it was an awesometime for sure.
And every time I show up, you'relike, so you're sitting next to
me.
I'm like, yeah, for sure, forsure.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:57):
Well, you know, we we have a lot of our stuff, and
I'm sure I don't have to tellyou this, but for the listening
audience, there's a lot of ourstuff on different platforms,
uh, Spotify.
You can just look up AuditroSingers.
We're there's tons of videos onus uh on YouTube.
We have a YouTube channel, wehave uh, of course, a uh a
Facebook channel.

(01:32:17):
So for all the people that areinterested, you know, uh you can
buy our music online on 22different platforms.
But for you particularly,there's a lot of our stuff that
that we put out there, you know,just so you can familiarize
yourself with the new, the new,the new, the newer songs.
But yeah, that's gonna bereally, really awesome to uh
hopefully see you in March.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:37):
Yes, yeah, for sure.
And I remember when you weregetting ready, you were going to
go host at Gathering of Nations,and you sent me like it was like
30 songs.
You're like, hey, I want to comeup.
Yeah, you're like, hey, I wantyou to come to Oklahoma and
record this album with me.
And I was like, dude, I'm gonnaget to Oklahoma.
I'm busy.
But yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, I listened to all ofthem, I learned them all, and it

(01:32:58):
and I was like, dude, I I wantto go do this.
It would be a dream of mine tobe able to do it, but you know,
unfortunately, I wasn't able to.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:05):
So well, you know, do sometimes uh duty calls, you
know, whether it's the militaryor family life, I know how it
is, or a regular what what wecall a shoot job, you know.
Yeah, but um, but you know, uhit's never too late.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:18):
We still we still got it in us, so yeah, gotta get
it out, right?

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:22):
Yeah, yes, sir.
Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:24):
Well, thank you so much for sharing with us.
Is um I wanted to play an OtterTrail song.
So you're the lead singer ofthis amazing Southern Pow Wow
group, and I want to share it tothe world.
Um, you know, back in the day,um, and uh there was a Cherokee
powwow in uh Fourth of Julypowers and you were singing this
double lead song.

(01:33:45):
And uh you told me it was uhlike a Delaware Nanaco song.
Is that right?

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:51):
It was uh Nanakote uh Lenai Lenape, which they're
the Delaware people, they're theoriginal Delaware tribe because
the Delaware people came fromthat area, Delaware, South
Jersey, that area.
But yeah, I remember the songvividly, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:06):
Yeah, and I came up and I was like, Hey Al, can you
tell me about this song?
And you were like, It's T-A-H TaHot Sky Week Tame.
And you told me that, and andI've been hanging on to that,
and I I sing it, you know,because I had my own powwow
group and everything, you know,and I was a lead singer and all.
And we would sing this song, andI'd be like, Al Santos said I

(01:34:27):
could sing this song.
Yeah, I used to love jamming it,you know.
That's an amazing song.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:32):
But you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you a funny
story about that song, realquick.
Uh, if you don't mind, I want tointerject.
Um, so that song given to me bymembers of the Lin, the Lin uh
the Nanakote Lin Alanapi,Delaware people, Yuri Ridgway,
Will Mosley, which by the way,they're also the originators,
the the founding members ofAutotrail when we first started.
They people don't know that itwas it was started in the New

(01:34:53):
Jersey, New York area.
So they taught they taught methat word.
It was another guy named MattHarmon.
It was several of them, Harry J.
Gould.
So they taught me those words,and of course, I'm I'm pretty
sure we're close in thepronunciation of it, like you
just said it.
But um, but yeah, that songbecame very, very popular to the
point where it made me sick ofhearing that song and having

(01:35:16):
people requesting it.
So we didn't sing that song.
Listen to this.
We we didn't sing that song orhaven't sung that song.
We were at Mohegan Powell onConnecticut, and the and the
people were coming over there.
There was other drum groupsthere, and we heard a drum group
sing it.
Oh, and people were like, Yeah,and then this guy from Oklahoma,
straight dancer, Osage, said,You know, that's one of my

(01:35:36):
favorite songs, and I know youmade it, didn't you?
I said, Holy smokes! Long so sonow, recently, like in the past
few months, people have beenasking for that song, and we
kind of brought it back.
Funny you should mention thatsong.

SPEAKER_01 (01:35:50):
Yeah, and it hit it hard in the southeast because I
was singing it, bro.
I was singing it so much, youknow.
I was just like, that's our jam,you know.
I just I love that you composedsuch an amazing song.
Now, that doesn't have to belike the the featured song for
this podcast, but I just wantedto bring up uh just a song that
you and I had shared, you know,in conversation.

SPEAKER_00 (01:36:11):
Hey, I don't mind it being the featured song because
you know we all have to realizeour humble beginnings.
Every time I heard that songsomewhere in the United States,
specifically the East Coast, asa matter of fact, Wilson
Roberts, who took me for a son,he's an old Choctaw elder.
He uh he told me uh one time,and matter of fact, in Florida,
we were in Seminole, Floridawhen they used to have it at the

(01:36:33):
rodeo arena.
He said, he said to me, Hey, meand your mom Sharon were were in
Germany, because I guess theyhave powwows in Germany.
There's hobbyists out there thathave powwows in Germany.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:43):
Yes, I've heard about them, yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:36:44):
Yeah, he said he was over there, and him and his wife
and his kids, who call mebrother, they heard this drum
group singing that song.
So they went over there and toldthem, Hey, you know, that's my
son.
My son composed that song.
And boy, they thought he youwould have thought they they
seen Jesus, because they werelike, Wow, tell them we really
love that song.
And long story short, I wentthere a few years later.

(01:37:06):
When I say a few years, I'mtalking eight, nine, ten years
later.
Not only did I hear that song,several drum groups, you know,
were singing otter trail songs.
And when the MC found out who Iwas and introduced me, I guess
in German, you would havethought Elvis walked into the
building.
Those people were all over me.
I was I was like really shocked.

(01:37:28):
But yeah, that's one of thosesongs that everybody just made
it everywhere, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:33):
I knew it was gonna be a hit, you know.
Down here in the south, I'veI've always sang it.
And thank you, thank you forjust having that conversation
with me.
That was probably oh, that wasprobably 20 years ago back then.
So back in the day.

SPEAKER_04 (01:37:49):
Back in the day.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:51):
But yeah, um we're gonna just uh ease it on, man.
I'm gonna I'm gonna play yoursong and uh share all this
information globally.
And I just thank you for so muchfor your story.
Thank you for being here.
Yeah, it's just uh it's a goodway for us to have a great
conversation and you know it'sgonna get me back to Pow Wow
again, I think.

SPEAKER_00 (01:38:11):
Well, hopefully, I I was just about to say that
hopefully it it it causes you tosegue back into my life because
really, really, uh, you know, Ireally enjoy having you as one
of my dearest friends, and youknow, and also uh for the
listening audience, I'm also forthose who don't know, I I'm a uh
37-year professional wrestler,semi-retired, but I've wrestled

(01:38:34):
everybody, you know, from theHulk Hogan's to the Ric Flairs
of the world.
So if you guys get a chance, ofcourse, you know, wrestling is
just a show, it's fake, youknow.
We're we're characters, but Iplay an Arab character.
So if you guys get a chance,check out Al Farrat also uh on
uh social media.
But more than that, I reallyappreciate you giving me this
opportunity for us to not onlycatch up, but to be able to, you

(01:38:57):
know, share my story with thepeople.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:59):
Yes, and definitely check out all the things that Al
has going on.
It's just it you're just aglobal entertainer, you know,
movie star, Grammy Award winner,just everything.
I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:39:12):
Uh I don't consider myself that big a deal because
I've always you know been taughtthat you know just be humble
about your about the things thatyou do, you know, be be
appreciative, give back, youknow, and and God will always
bless you.
And I feel I feel like he'sblessed me tenfold, you know.
So thank you for those words,though.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:29):
Yes, thank you so much.
Thank you for all the uh justNative American, you know,
you're you're like a livinglegend historian to me.
So thank you, man.
You know, I know how much youput into all that and just
learning different cultures andand around the nation too.
You know, you put a lot ofresearch into everything and
being able to share that in thein a good way, you know, it's

(01:39:49):
just uh it's amazing.
So uh yeah, all the listeners,you can check out Al Santos,
check out Otter Trail, his hisprofessional wrestling stuff,
check check everything out andsupport.
That's what we're here to do.
And Al has some amazing music,and I want to plug his music in
here.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:05):
Well, thank you very much, and to all the listeners,
you know, God bless each andevery single one of you.
And if it wasn't for you guyssupporting us artists, we would
be no one.
You know, we would we wewouldn't be where we're at.
So thank you for all the amazingsupport.
I really appreciate it.
And and I hope you are uh youknow unsurmountably blessed in
your life, Jesse.
Thank you for your friendship.

SPEAKER_01 (01:40:26):
Yes, thank you so much, Al.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:28):
Alright, thank you.
Later.

SPEAKER_01 (01:40:31):
So without further ado, this is Otter Trail with
their uh theme song, and it'samazing.
You guys are gonna love it.
Check all the stuff out andshare it, and that's what we're
here to do.

(01:43:33):
So many crazy stories, so muchhistoric Native American, uh,
historic things that, you know,Grammy Award winning, just
amazing human, amazing.
I can't believe we had him on,you know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:43:49):
It was just around Al three times.
So two, the Moa Choctaw Powell,and then one the Orlando one.
So it was November in Orlando,and it was 92 degrees.
I just want to put that outthere.
One day, and then one day it wasraining, and we were like in the

(01:44:11):
world.
And we were we were walkingaround, so it was at the
fairgrounds, so there's a fleamarket, and we were walking
around, and I had packed forcooler weather because for some
reason I did I decided not tolook at good.
Yes.
Okay, okay, and I had on aflannel and jeans and some
boots, and I was sweating my assoff, and but Al and Monsignor

(01:44:34):
were walking around with us.
He was he's another NativeAmerican singer, and he's from
what tribe is he?
The what did you call him?

SPEAKER_01 (01:44:42):
I think he's uh so Monsignor is Kiowa.
Okay, just another renownedsinger, just amazing dude.
And you know, they they broughtus, we we played uh under the
little shelter that we had here,and I love that because it
sounds way better, you know.
It's like we were outside in thefield doing our thing with all
the tents and all the stuff, andthen we went out of there and we
recorded some stuff, so you canactually check that out.

(01:45:03):
I was on that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:45:04):
I was gonna say, and me and my kids, we spent the
majority of our time in thevehicle with the air AC on full
blast.
Yeah, but we did walk around.
We did it was so hot, and wewere not prepared for this heat.
Oh, and we walked around theflea market with them.
Yeah, I was gonna say we walkedaround the flea market with
them, and we so we were sweatyfrom that, and then he went to

(01:45:26):
go drum.

SPEAKER_01 (01:45:26):
It was like rain or something, too, though, that
must that pushed us away fromthe regular powwow area under
the shelf.

SPEAKER_02 (01:45:32):
It finally rained in the evening, blooded it out, and
we moved into the water.
And so we had to go into yeah,it was just hot, it was a hot
November.
I don't like hot Novembers, it'sunnatural.
Yeah, like what the fuck?
Yes, even though we're inFlorida and we understand that
it happens sometimes, it's stillunnatural.
It was really cool because inthe 90s for November is not

(01:45:56):
normal.

SPEAKER_01 (01:45:57):
I think the year before that I was lead singer
for the host drum on that one.
Well, Silas was still OtterTrail moved in and started doing
their thing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:46:04):
So Autter Trail is Al's drum group.
And that's who Jesse was guestplaying with for the Moa Choctaw
pows and this Orlando.
Just called me up and be like,hey bro, can we?
What what what powwow was that?
What was it called?

SPEAKER_01 (01:46:19):
The one in Orlando uh AI, American Indian
Association.

SPEAKER_02 (01:46:24):
That's what I was getting to.

SPEAKER_01 (01:46:25):
Really cool stuff.
I don't know if they're stillhaving that.
I don't know.
I don't remember.
I've I've kind of stepped away,Lindsay.
I've stepped away.

SPEAKER_02 (01:46:31):
Yes, he stepped away, but that's okay because
and it's and it's not anythingagainst Native American culture,
anything whatsoever whatsoever.

SPEAKER_01 (01:46:43):
I miss the red road so much.

SPEAKER_02 (01:46:46):
It's just, you know, it's a life.
Life happens sometimes.
And uh, but we'll be back.

SPEAKER_01 (01:46:51):
Yeah, yeah, raising kids and doing things and
raising kids, doing life, ourthings, you know.
We're doing our things, and Ilike to rock out too.
So that that kind of came intoplay a lot.
Um, my band's doing really well,so we're we're we're doing the
things, it's a hobby, but at thesame time, we're having fun.

SPEAKER_02 (01:47:06):
And there's only so many hours in the week of days
and hours, yes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:47:10):
Yeah, we're gonna restructure eventually and we're
gonna come back out.
So come and hang, do some maybedo some dancing, some singing
for sure, and uh, it's just funstuff.
Yeah.
So thank you everyone for beingon this podcast.
It's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:47:25):
Thanks for having us so much.
Yes, listen, I I just want tosay one more time that I am
completely shocked that y'allare still sitting here looking
at me right now.
This is a very good surprise.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:47:36):
Aaron's your bestie.
Yeah, but these are my bestiestoo.
Yes, mine too.

SPEAKER_02 (01:47:40):
Jesse has inherited besties through me.

SPEAKER_01 (01:47:43):
Yes.
We put ourselves around so manydifferent people, and I love
them all.
I love them all.
So many different people.
I love it, and that's what yougotta do.
You gotta be diverse, you gottabe accepted, you gotta just
accept everybody around you, nomatter who they are, and all
them.
And I love the diversity andeveryone that you have around in
your life, Lindsay, and I loveit, and I love all them.

(01:48:04):
Love all y'all, love it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:48:07):
Aaron and I bonded years ago over our love of
System of a Down, and it justblossomed into this wonderful
many, many, many year nowfriendship.

unknown (01:48:18):
Almost two decades.

SPEAKER_02 (01:48:19):
Yes, literally, it don't even make any sense.
Did that make you feel a wholething?
That didn't feel like that.
Well, and also, I mean, and Imean, it just it doesn't stop at
uh System of a Down.
Like, so when Aaron, you were 19and I was 26, and I was going to
Gainesville for the day, and youwere going to meet Maynard at uh

(01:48:42):
oh it was a it was a liquorstore in Jacksonville.

SPEAKER_03 (01:48:46):
It was a total wine.

SPEAKER_02 (01:48:49):
Yeah, it was when he was launching his wine brands.
Oh and Aaron was like, Hey, areyou coming this way because I
can't get in because I'm only19.
And I was like, oh my god.
Because I was hanging out withGony that day and we were going
to Gainesville to another one ofour friends' uh recording
sessions.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:08):
This is the pre-Gen Z story.

SPEAKER_02 (01:49:09):
Way pre-Gen Z.
Yeah, this was like four years,four or five years before I met
you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:49:14):
I didn't realize I had to buy a bottle of wine in
order for him to like uh sign itor whatever.

SPEAKER_02 (01:49:19):
So she was gonna meet Maynard James Keaton or
something, but uh I didn'trealize we had to buy a bottle
of wine.

SPEAKER_03 (01:49:26):
And so I was sitting outside after being told I can't
go in and do stuff after youknow driving all the way out
there.
It's like fuck, who do I knowthat's over 21?

SPEAKER_02 (01:49:36):
And she messaged me when I was literally almost in
Gainesville going to anotherfriend of our.
I was with my guy best friend,uh Josh Marangoni, who we call
Goney.
I was going to another friend ofours recording session.
He's uh he was a rapper, and Iwas on the way to his recording
session, and I was like, I was Iwas passenger princess that day,

(01:49:56):
so I couldn't turn around anddrive to Jacksonville to go hang
out with Aaron and meet MaynardJames Keenan.

SPEAKER_03 (01:50:03):
And the timing wouldn't have made sense anyway.
No, it was only there for like acouple of hours.
A couple of hours never madeanything out.
Oh man, I was so bummed.
I was like, stupid age.

SPEAKER_01 (01:50:14):
Lindsay, I didn't give you this, and I wanted to
do that after that story.
Wow, wow.
I just I just I'm sorry.
But you did a great job,Lindsay.
And you didn't show up for yourbestie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:50:26):
Yeah, I didn't.
I tried, listen, if I had beenthe driver, yeah.
If I had been the driver thatday, I would have turned around
right there on 75.
Don't you love how long?
And going to Aaron, but I wasn'tthe driver that day.
But God, okay, so she how oldare you now?

(01:50:48):
But were you the passenger?
You're your almost 37.
Okay, she's almost 37.
This was when she was 19.
Linda's over there, Linda's overthere saying, I'm your
passenger.
So I have known Aaron since shewas 19 years old, and she is now
37, and I am 43.

(01:51:09):
So we have known each other avery long time.
Um Florence and the machine cameinto the restaurant that I still
work at, that Aaron worked atwith me.
And uh, well, it was the machineminus Florence.

SPEAKER_03 (01:51:25):
Yeah, Florence wasn't in.
Uh it was it was like the end ofthe night we saw a lot, and
we're like, because you know, asa server, it's like you're close
to closing, and you know,everyone's just wanted to get
home and everything like that.
And then, you know, uh, thisgroup walks in off the bus.
I'm like, well, that's all atour group or like a tourist
group, or you know, someone justpassing through, you know, to

(01:51:46):
Orlando or some crazy stuff.
And um I was out sweeping thefloors, and I was like, those
are British people, you know,just like and I was huge into
Florence of the Machine.

SPEAKER_02 (01:51:57):
Yeah, you got me into them.

SPEAKER_03 (01:51:59):
A few months prior, I tried to buy tickets to their
Orlando show at the Hard Rock,but it was sold out, and so I
was super bummed about that.
I knew the they were playinglike two nights later or the
next night or whatever, and so Iwas like, hmm, I wonder.
And uh one of the guys waswearing a Florence of the
Machine hoodie, and I was like,She came running to me, she was

(01:52:20):
like, Lindsay, I think themachine is here, and I was like,
What?

SPEAKER_02 (01:52:25):
Go talk to I was shift leading that night and you
were a closing server, and tellthe rest because it was so cool.

SPEAKER_03 (01:52:34):
And so she went out there, she she was like, Hey, I
have a friend back here, she'sfreaking out because she thinks
you're Florence and the machine.
And they're like, Oh yeah, weare, and so I was like, let's
go.
So I go out and I I just youknow express to them like you
know, just like I love yourmusic, you know.
I was I tried to get tickets foryour show tomorrow in Orlando,

(01:52:56):
but couldn't, you know,whatever.
And um, I'm not sure who thewoman was, but she was like, Oh,
we can get you on the guestlist, and I was like, That was
such a magical night for you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:53:08):
Oh so you were sick the next day you didn't come to
work.

SPEAKER_03 (01:53:11):
I told them that I would quit my other job because
I had to shift out.
She had two jobs at that time.
Yeah, two jobs I had to shift atLowe's, and I was like, Well, I
can just quit my other job, andthey're like, No, don't do that.
I'm like, I will.

SPEAKER_02 (01:53:25):
She did not give a fuck.

SPEAKER_03 (01:53:27):
So yeah, they they um they signed a menu for me,
which I still have, and um, theyput me on the guest list for
their sold-out show in Orlando,and Ashley couldn't go, so my
one of my besties, Eden, wentwith me.
So the one who's now inPittsburgh, yes, and so she and
I went and saw Florence in themachine.
Oh god, and Aaron came back.

SPEAKER_01 (01:53:49):
I was thinking she was gonna build it up and not
go, but no, she went.
Okay, went.
So that was a that was a wontwall on Lindsay, but the machine
brought you.
I wasn't going.

SPEAKER_02 (01:53:58):
No, she came back afterwards and told me all about
it.
So I lived vicariously throughAaron for that show.

SPEAKER_03 (01:54:04):
It was truly magical.
Like we were up front of thebarricades.
She is a voice.
Oh my gosh.
It's insane.

SPEAKER_01 (01:54:14):
We love Florence.
Did you clap to the dog days?

SPEAKER_03 (01:54:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:54:19):
The dog days are gonna play this.
Oh now we gotta play this.

SPEAKER_01 (01:54:25):
Oh, we're gonna jam out of the dog days.
Yeah, we're about to go put onFlorence and we shared all kinds
of music, and this is our firsttime sharing Native American
music.
Big part of my history.
I really do miss it, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:54:38):
And we got and now we gotta take Aaron and Morgan
to a Pow Wow.
There, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:54:43):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:54:45):
Let's go, let's go.
And I'm gonna put you in thecircle because um, you know, Al
is all about intertribaldancing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:54:52):
I don't know if you can, but hey, I'm I'm fucking
here for it.
Okay, let's do it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:54:58):
Oh, it's just a little step, it's a little knee
step.

SPEAKER_01 (01:55:01):
So they they they uh most of them do have uh you
know, they have segments wherethey can let everybody in the
circle and you can.
Yeah, inter tribal, everybody'swelcome.
Yeah, no, pay attention to theMC, and Al Santos is one of the
best.

SPEAKER_03 (01:55:13):
So is one of the best?
I'll fucking.

SPEAKER_01 (01:55:16):
Yes, we may go to an Otter Trail show and not do some
single.
Oh, that would be so much funbecause Al is top notch.
I'm sure bro's gonna call me.

SPEAKER_02 (01:55:23):
He's gonna be like, I'm not a you know, a completely
seasoned um powwow goer, but Ihave been to Gathering of
Nations, I've been to powwowsall over the southeast, and Al
Santos is what was that like Itook you to the biggest one.
Well, as I was telling Aaron andMorgan earlier, so that venture,

(01:55:45):
I was actually pregnant with ourson and didn't know it, and I
cried the entire weekend.

SPEAKER_01 (01:55:50):
It was very the the flight fear and all your stuff.
You're relating a lot of thatbecause you were you had all
that going on and you didn'tknow about it.
I didn't know until the weeklater to the smallest one the
next weekend.
That was really fun.

SPEAKER_02 (01:56:05):
Yeah, so we went to the Gathering of Nations, and
that whole week I felt like Iwas pregnant.
Um, I had recently changed birthcontrol, so I didn't know what
was going on in my body.
And then we went to Panama CityBeach, and um on the way to the

(01:56:29):
powwow, I told Jesse, stop atthat CVS right there.
I'm buying a pregnancy test.
I can't, I have to know.
Yeah, yeah, and literally at thepowwow in the in the bathroom of
the powwow, I took thatpregnancy test and it was
positive.
Silas, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:56:51):
We didn't, you know, I didn't I didn't find out.
I did not find out if he was amale.

SPEAKER_02 (01:56:55):
No, he did not want to know.
He is the only person that Ihave ever known my entire life
that did not want to know thegender of our child, and that
was okay.
Yeah, yeah, but it was cool, itwas a surprise, and I and I I
knew they uh told me havingthree previously.

SPEAKER_01 (01:57:12):
Well, and they they told me, but they kind of showed
it to her.

SPEAKER_02 (01:57:16):
Well, the okay, so when I went so I told my doctor,
like my actual OBGYN, that I didnot want to know the sex of the
baby when he sent me to anotherdepartment for an imaging
sonogram to make sure our kidwas completely healthy.
They didn't know.
And when they handed me thesonogram, it said mail on it.

(01:57:38):
But guess who I did not tell?
And I kept a secret fromeverybody and I put that
sonogram away, put it out of myhead because he wanted to be
surprised, and I honored thatfor him.

SPEAKER_01 (01:57:50):
Thank you, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:57:50):
You're welcome.

SPEAKER_01 (01:57:51):
And that's the love that you portray upon your
children once you once youembrace all of that glory of uh
recreating something in life,you know, as humans.
And you're like, I want to givethem the best.
And that's what a lot of thisreally all boils down to.
Give everybody the best you can.
And I really hate the fortuneevents.

(01:58:14):
I really hate it.
I really hate this that thisstory exists.

SPEAKER_02 (01:58:17):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (01:58:17):
Um 10,000.

SPEAKER_02 (01:58:18):
And there's a there's a million more.

SPEAKER_01 (01:58:20):
A million.

SPEAKER_02 (01:58:21):
I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:58:23):
So that's your whole thing.
That's the whole thing.
Uh we're gonna put it out therein the world, share it to
everybody.

SPEAKER_02 (01:58:30):
Yes, you've got the numbers.

SPEAKER_01 (01:58:32):
Share Emily's case, share it as much as you can.
Share this information toeveryone, let it get global, and
uh check out Al Santos and AutoTrail for Emily Pike.
All the amazing things andentertainment, he uh the pro
wrestling thing that he's doing.
Uh you know, come on oursocials, you'll get to see

(01:58:54):
Morgan and Aaron over here.
And uh, because we got picturesand we got so much stuff to
share.
We're gonna do so many things.
Check out all the socials,right?
Drinkaboutsomething.site onYouTube, on uh Lindsay's, she's
got everything.
We got it all.

SPEAKER_02 (01:59:10):
So Jesse Standbaugh, Lindsay Standbaugh, Drink About
Something on Instagram, and thenof course, like you said,
drinkabout something.site, youcan find our podcast socials on
there.
Yes.
And links, we have merch too.
We have merch on Spreadshirt,right?

SPEAKER_04 (01:59:26):
Yes, merch.

SPEAKER_01 (01:59:28):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:59:31):
And I just want to say really quick before we sign
off that Erin is wearing a LastPodcast on the left t-shirt.
And she is the one that turnedme on to them, and I love them.
We're big fans.
We love you guys.
We love Last Podcast on theleft.
We want you to listen to us andwe want to meet you.

unknown (01:59:48):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:59:48):
If you haven't last podcast, send us.
Send us to them.

SPEAKER_01 (01:59:53):
They're not they don't have time for that,
Lindsay.
They're too busy.
Oh, whatever.
They are cool frickin' dudes,okay.
Yeah, thanks.
Thanks to all the way down toPaul Harvey.

SPEAKER_02 (02:00:03):
And I just found out that there's a whole crime, a
crime wave cruise through theirside story that was live with
Sinister.
And I'm told Jesse yesterday,I'm like, oh, we want to go on
that cruise.

SPEAKER_03 (02:00:16):
Yeah, I have a friend who I've bought a couple
pieces of her art.
Um, she's currently on thatcruise.
I think she lives up inMichigan.

SPEAKER_02 (02:00:25):
Oh my God.
I want to go.
Crimewave cruise.
Aaron, you have the work to dofor the future.

SPEAKER_01 (02:00:32):
Let's send the information.
Manifestation.

SPEAKER_02 (02:00:35):
But let's help get justice for Emily Pike and all
missing and murdered indigenouswomen and persons.
But with that being said, we aregoing to go ahead and sign off
for today.

SPEAKER_01 (02:00:48):
Yeah, Lindsay, it was really hard for me to be
bubbly bubbly.

SPEAKER_02 (02:00:51):
It was well, I told you in advance.
I did let you know in advancethis was going to be a rough one
because sometimes we want tomake it lighthearted, but this
one is serious, and we want tomake sure that we get justice
for this little baby girl.

SPEAKER_01 (02:01:05):
We want to share thank you guys so much for being
part of this and share all ofthis to everyone.
Let's make this be a huge fireacross the whole globe.
Absolutely.
No matter where you're at, sharethis information.
We're here.
And if you need anything, we'rehere for you as well.
In any situation, when it comesto true crime or anything, we're

(02:01:27):
going to help you the best wecan too.
So hit us up, right?
We'll share your story.
Everyone, an earshot.
We're here.
Everyone needs to be here.
And I haven't heard that on anypodcast yet.
We're here for you too.
Hit us up and we'll help you outtoo.
So thank you guys so much.
Thanks to all the guests.
Thanks to Lindsay.
Thank you so much.

(02:01:48):
We'll see you guys next week.
And we got a recap too.
So we're gonna see you guystwice a week.

SPEAKER_02 (02:01:53):
We love you so much.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
See you next week.
One, two, three.

SPEAKER_04 (02:02:00):
Bye.

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