EPISODE 57: FALL RIVER CULT

A hard seltzer on a cold balcony turned into a journey through one of New England’s darkest chapters. We pull back the curtain on Fall River at the end of the 1970s—where a shrinking economy, a booming sex trade, biker swagger, and occult theatrics collided. At the center: Carl Drew, a violent enforcer who ruled Bedford Street; Andy Maltese, an older predator who claimed Jesus and psychic visions when cornered; and Robin Murphy, a 17-year-old who refused a pimp, commanded fear, and bent Satanic imagery into a weapon. Their orbit produced three horrific murders—Doreen Levesque under school bleachers, Barbara Raposa behind an industrial lot, and Karen Marsden in a ritualized clearing—and a tangle of testimonies that still divide true crime fans and locals today.

We walk through the case step by step: the city’s slide from mill wealth to street economies; how cult performances—animal sacrifice, blood markings, midnight chanting—created a theater of control; the first body that suggested group violence; Andy’s “vision” that matched a detail police never released; and Robin’s taped confession that locked in life sentences. Then the reversals: shifting accounts, a co-defendant who walked when a story changed, and a parole hearing where Robin said she invented parts to get a rival off the street. Did belief fuel the violence, or did fear of belief become the perfect cover for power plays in a vulnerable community?

Between jokes about theme songs and shout-outs to guitar gods, we keep the focus on exploited victims, on how poverty and coercion frame “choices,” and on the way sensational narratives can bury material truths. We also feature a darkwave gem—For All The Emptiness and their track Sell The Sins—because the soundtrack of this story matters too. If you’re into true crime, cult psychology, 1970s Fall River history, or the intersection of sex work, manipulation, and moral panic, this one’s for you.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_05 (00:00):
Hey Jesse.
Hello, Lindsay.
What are you drinking thisafternoon?
Good boy.

SPEAKER_04 (00:07):
I'm just gonna say good boy over here.

SPEAKER_05 (00:10):
And who is Good Boy Made by?
My favorite golfers.
So amazing.

SPEAKER_04 (00:15):
And it's just like the uh is it a cranberry or some
kind of?
What did you get?

SPEAKER_05 (00:20):
Blackberry?

SPEAKER_04 (00:21):
Blackberry, cranberry, stuff.

SPEAKER_05 (00:22):
But who's Good Boy Made by?
You tell me, Lindsay.
You know all the John Delaney,right?
Yeah, that's that's that's hisgovernment name, right?
Oh my god, I have to Google it.
Daly.
Where the fuck did I getDelaney?

SPEAKER_04 (00:34):
I knew you were gonna fuck it up.

SPEAKER_05 (00:36):
Daly and his pants.
And his flask and hiseverything.
John Daly.
Why did I say Delaney?
I knew I was gonna fuck it upbecause I'm a little buzzed.
It just hit me.

SPEAKER_04 (00:47):
You're okay, Lindsay, but you know, I put a
little crown with it, butbecause you know, I like it, and
I like it a little harder than.

SPEAKER_05 (00:55):
But what flavor did you get?
Do you know?
Is it blackberry?

SPEAKER_04 (00:57):
Is it cranberry or blackberry?
Blackberry.
It was a blackberry sweet tea.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01):
So John Daly makes a hard seltzer that is flavored
iced tea.
And it has less calories, likefive less calories than other
seltzers.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14):
And I'm still drinking it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15):
So while we were in while we were in Hampton Beach,
New Hampshire.

SPEAKER_04 (01:18):
I'm still drinking it right now.

SPEAKER_05 (01:20):
Oh my God, let me talk.
Let me say the side story wherehow we've discovered the street.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24):
Oh yes.
Go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 (01:25):
So we were in Hampton Beach, New Hampshire.
Jesse and I are walking thestreets because it's off season.
We're looking for a place wherewe can find some seltzers to
take back to the room.
And we found a little packagestore.
I was like, all right, we'll trythese because it's John Daly.
And then I'm gonna get some.

(01:46):
They had lime only white claws,wasn't it?
It was just pure, it was likeall lime.
And I love the lime.
So bring it all the way out.

SPEAKER_04 (01:53):
Okay, bring it all the way out, Lindsay.
I want to hear the whole story.
I want to hear it.
I want to hear your rendition ofwhat the fuck really happened
while we were up there.

SPEAKER_05 (02:02):
So we get to back to the room.
Yes! The room is very tiny, butthe balcony is fucking amazing.
So we hung out on the balcony alot.
And it had a perfect view of theocean.
It was gorgeous.
So um we're drinking the JohnDaly's.
I had a half of one, and I waslike, I don't like it.
So Jesse's like, I like it, andI'm gonna drink all these

(02:26):
bitches.
Yeah.
And he did.
And he ended up like strippingdown to his undies and was like,
and he you had on your undiesand sunglasses, and you're like,
I'm on vacation.
I've done all kinds of driving.
Fuck these pants.
I'm just yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (02:42):
This is not a high up balcony.
This is a second floor balcony.

SPEAKER_05 (02:46):
Everybody can see us.
There's everybody can see us andneighbors can see us.
You know what, Lindsay?
But you had on pretty panties.

SPEAKER_04 (02:51):
I gotta look.
I gotta look right now.
I think I'm wearing the sameunderwear that I was wearing
then.
I saw the ones you were wearing.
Or they're not.

SPEAKER_05 (03:00):
You had on the palm trees.
No.
You had on the ones with pinkpalm trees.
Oh.
It looked like a bathing suit.
Didn't it?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (03:07):
So it wasn't like inappropriate.
No.
But for our little family.

SPEAKER_05 (03:12):
You look like you could have been John Daly's
brother.

SPEAKER_04 (03:15):
On vacation.

SPEAKER_05 (03:15):
On vacation.
John Daly on vacation.
Out there drinking John Dalyhard seltzer.

SPEAKER_04 (03:21):
For some reason I was hot.
I don't know why I was like, itwas warm.
But it shouldn't have been.
We were in like New Englandarea.

SPEAKER_05 (03:28):
It did not get cold till we got to New York, which
was two days later.

SPEAKER_04 (03:33):
You're right.
And they must have had some coldbecause I seen the leaves
changing a little bit, butstill, yeah, it wasn't cold as I
thought it would have been.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (03:40):
The temperature did drop the next morning because
when we went out to watch thesunrise, I was like, let me get
my sweater.
Sweater weather.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (03:48):
What are you drinking over there, Lindsay?
With your story.

SPEAKER_05 (03:51):
So I have um I got this to base this week, and I
have the mixture of the lemonand the lime, so it's like a
hard seltzer sprite.
It's so good.

SPEAKER_04 (03:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (04:00):
It's one of my favorite mixtures.

SPEAKER_04 (04:02):
Our listeners want to see you do something
extravagant next podcast.
You need to do something out ofthe box.
Lindsay, out of the box nextpodcast.
I just want to get peopleexcited for that.

SPEAKER_05 (04:15):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (04:15):
Is that is that cool?
That's cool.
We're going to fist bump onsomething wild.

SPEAKER_05 (04:19):
Like a wild drink?

SPEAKER_04 (04:20):
Something crazy.
I want Lindsay to do somethingcompletely insane for our next
podcast.
All right.
Is that cool?
Yeah.
Not putting you on the spot, butlet's do something way out
there.
I don't know what the hell.
An elephant fart or somethingstupid like that?
What was a gorilla fart that Iused to drink uh in Jacksonville
years ago?

(04:41):
That was a cool drink.
It was wild.

SPEAKER_05 (04:43):
Well, we'll we'll Google some stuff and we'll get
the ingredients and we'll maybewe need to go back to the chart
for next podcast.
And you know what?
It okay, I'm not even gonna tellyou what we're talking about
next time, but it'll be it'll beon brand.
I'll do something on brand forthat time period.
Oh, there you go.

SPEAKER_04 (04:58):
Let's do it.
Is it on our chart?
Because we need to go back tothe chart.

SPEAKER_05 (05:01):
Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_04 (05:01):
We have a whole season, we have a chart, and I
think we shared it live, like onvideo on YouTube and everything.
Yeah.
So we need to go back to thechart, maybe, or you know, let's
do something crazy.
I want to do something crazy.

SPEAKER_05 (05:14):
I'm gonna apologize in advance.
We have had, so we did usuallywe do our episode and then we
record a recap afterwardsbecause it's called Drunk About
Something.
So we want to be drunk, but wedid it reverse today because we
wanted to be a little moreserious on our recap because we
were recapping about Emily Pike,which is the serious subject.

(05:36):
It was we need to just so we'rea little more buzzed than
normal.
Oh, yeah.
It's gonna be fun.

SPEAKER_04 (05:41):
It's gonna be a fun one, right?
It's gonna be a fun one, and Ican't wait to do it.
And Lindsay, let's just kickthis thing off.
You ready?
I'm ready.
Oh my god, happy Friday, dude.
I want to bump this.
Can I bump this?

SPEAKER_05 (05:55):
Bump it all the way.

SPEAKER_04 (06:17):
So we're in season two.
Do you think I should change thetheme song ever?

SPEAKER_05 (06:21):
No, ever.
Ever, never?
No, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 (06:23):
Well, why am I so people that have been listening
to podcasts for thousands ofyears, back in uh in the caveman
days and stuff, like I they havethe same theme song forever,
forever, ever, ever, and ever.
So this is gonna be a goodthing.

SPEAKER_05 (06:38):
All the ones that I listen to I can't change it.
That are multi-million dollarones, they have the same theme
song.

SPEAKER_04 (06:46):
The same theme theme?

SPEAKER_05 (06:48):
The same theme song.

SPEAKER_04 (06:49):
The fame one.
The theme the all of fame themethong that they ever had that
thing was started.

SPEAKER_05 (06:56):
Okay.
I gotta ask you really quick.

SPEAKER_04 (06:58):
Oh shit.

SPEAKER_05 (06:58):
What made you feel old this week?

SPEAKER_04 (07:00):
I remember what I put on this paper that you have
in front of you, Lindsay.
I do.

SPEAKER_05 (07:05):
So, do you want to read it?
You can.

SPEAKER_04 (07:07):
No, I don't.
I do remember it this time.
I'm not gonna look at it.
I'm not gonna look at it,Lindsay.
Sallas has been jamming RageAgainst the Machine.

SPEAKER_05 (07:15):
And who else?

SPEAKER_04 (07:16):
Oh, so many.

SPEAKER_05 (07:18):
Well, and who is who else is uh who else is Rage
Against the Machine?
What other band are they in?
Audio Slam with Chris Cornell.

SPEAKER_04 (07:25):
And I was telling him about Prophets of Rage and
how, okay, we inadvertently kindof bestowed that upon him, but
we didn't push it on him.
No.
So him as a child, we listenedto a lot of music growing up,
and I guess he just clasped ontoit, but like he wasn't not
completely involved until thelast few months to the part to

(07:48):
the point.

SPEAKER_05 (07:49):
But he was obsessed with rage when he was a toddler.

SPEAKER_04 (07:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (07:53):
And now he is re-obsessed, broke away, went to
Green Day, did he always beenthrough so many things metallic,
ACDC, white stripes, ACDC, somany obsessions.
Ozzie Osborne.

SPEAKER_04 (08:05):
But now he is on rage against machine, which is
like at my age.

SPEAKER_05 (08:08):
And he's so cute.
He's wearing hats likeTomarello.
Like, I love it so much.
And he looks cute in hats.
He's adorable.

SPEAKER_04 (08:14):
S button-up shirts, some little uh mechanics shirts.
Some mechanic shirts.
Yes, with the little things.
But anyhow, so at my age, Iwasn't much older.
I was probably about anotheryear and a half-ish older than
him when I was.

SPEAKER_05 (08:28):
Oh, you were his age when I latched on.
Yeah.
I latched on.
I was a little older because Ididn't discover rage until
Godzilla Soundtrack with noshelter.

SPEAKER_04 (08:38):
Yeah, you are just such a late bloomin' flower.
That's why your flower petalsjust are so bright.

SPEAKER_05 (08:44):
They are so bright.

SPEAKER_04 (08:45):
Mine are like old and wilted.

SPEAKER_05 (08:47):
No.
No.
No, because we latch on to newbands.

SPEAKER_04 (08:50):
I may have more flower petals than you at the
moment, but mine are just older.
Does that make sense?
I don't know.
Whatever.
But Silas fucking latched onfully on the Raging His Machine,
and I'm loving it.
And he's wanting the guitar thatI've always wanted in my life.

SPEAKER_05 (09:05):
Arm the homeless.
That makes me feel old becausewe saw that in real time when we
saw Prophets of Rage.

SPEAKER_04 (09:12):
We have seen the Arm L twice.
Yeah.
We've seen it at Rockville alittle bit.
We didn't watch the set, butwe've seen the set.
Yes, that makes sense.
Different stages.

SPEAKER_05 (09:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (09:21):
Tom Morello's just He's a God.
He is a God, a rock god.
And we've seen how many rockgods have you seen, real quick?

SPEAKER_05 (09:30):
Oh, I can't count.

SPEAKER_04 (09:31):
No, like guitar rock gods.

SPEAKER_05 (09:33):
Slash.

SPEAKER_04 (09:34):
Yes.

SPEAKER_05 (09:35):
Um, Tom Marello.

SPEAKER_04 (09:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (09:38):
What's his name?
Oh my god, shh don't tell me,don't tell me, don't tell me.
My boo.
My boo from Slipknot.
Jim Root.

SPEAKER_04 (09:45):
Jim Root.

SPEAKER_05 (09:46):
Um Cody Quistad.
He's a god, in my opinion.
I love Cody from Wage War.

SPEAKER_04 (09:53):
I'm gonna give you this right here, Sinister Gates.

SPEAKER_05 (09:55):
Oh my god.
I've seen the guests.
That was yeah, that was next.
And I wanted to listen to uh A7Xon the way home and I forgot as
soon as we got in the car.

SPEAKER_04 (10:05):
No, we have seen so many iconic just the guitar
players, period.
We haven't seen Angus yet,though.
I mean, Angus at his age isstill no matter what.
We've saw West Borland.
We've seen West Borland.

SPEAKER_05 (10:22):
We've seen Head Monkey Monkey We're so fucking
on the same page here.

SPEAKER_04 (10:30):
No, honestly, like there've just been so many
iconic, just they changed theworld being in that guitar.

SPEAKER_05 (10:37):
The most amazing bassist of all time, fucking Les
Claybles.

SPEAKER_04 (10:42):
Yeah, I mean, that's bass god style.
I know, but I mean like I getit.

SPEAKER_05 (10:47):
Oh, there's just so many in it.
We'll have to sit down and likemake a list.

SPEAKER_04 (10:51):
Should we?
Should we?
Y'all let us know who yourfavorite guitar player is.
I want to know who your favoriteguitar player is.

SPEAKER_05 (10:58):
Because ours is is, I mean, we both love Jimi
Hendrix, but he's no longer withus.

SPEAKER_04 (11:03):
But Tom is you know, everybody loves Jimmy.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (11:07):
But but Tom Morello, that's us.
That's millennials.
D.
Yeah.
N.
A.

SPEAKER_04 (11:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (11:14):
And Wes also, yeah.
You know, and you know what?

SPEAKER_04 (11:17):
You can strip it all the way down to white stripes
because simplicity is huge ifyou do it the right way.
So it doesn't matter, right?
Jack White can fucking play.

SPEAKER_05 (11:27):
Jack White! Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 (11:29):
Rock and roll hall of fame.
Let's talk about that realquick.

SPEAKER_05 (11:32):
And then you got Buckethead.

SPEAKER_04 (11:34):
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (11:35):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 (11:36):
And John Five.

SPEAKER_05 (11:38):
Why don't we John Five?
Fuck.
Whoa, we've seen him twice.
Yeah, we've seen him with Roband with Manson, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
How we we haven't seen Lee.
We did see Lita Ford, didn't we?
Yeah.

unknown (11:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (11:53):
Did we see Lita Ford?
I think so.
With Alice Cooper?
Is that right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (11:58):
And then I was talking about that when Silas, I
was like, this guy's almost he'sglam rock, but he's like Alice
Cooper.
We've seen him get beheaded.

SPEAKER_05 (12:06):
Yes.
Yeah.
And then, so Jesse, right now,you guys um are if we have any
uh Gen X and and Beyondlisteners, we're really sorry,
but we love the guitarists fromLeonard Skinner, but we can
never remember their names.
Did they make it to Rock andRoll Hall of Fame?

(12:28):
They sure as fuck did.
Hold on, hold on.
We're gonna Google it right now.

SPEAKER_04 (12:31):
We're gonna do this.
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
You know, one of our favoriterap groups.

SPEAKER_05 (12:37):
Hey Google.
Leonard Skinner guitarists.
Alright, so we got RickyMedlock, Mark, Matajaca, and
Damon Johnson.
And oh my god, and we forgotfucking Kurt Hammett.

SPEAKER_00 (12:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (12:54):
Hammond.
Hammond Hammett Hammett.
Is it Hammett or Hammond?

SPEAKER_04 (12:58):
Hammond.

SPEAKER_05 (12:58):
It's Hammett.
It's Hammett.

SPEAKER_04 (13:00):
Yeah.
With a T.
Metallica.

SPEAKER_05 (13:02):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (13:02):
Yes.
So, but no, Leonard Skinner islike literally 50 miles away
from us.

SPEAKER_05 (13:08):
We don't know.
So is what?
Because I feel like I wishMorland was too.
Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (13:13):
Well, yeah, yeah.
Well, well, well, our DNA, butuh past DNA.
Oh my god.
Lindsay.
Lindsay, outcast.

SPEAKER_05 (13:24):
That is Hammett.
You were correct.

SPEAKER_04 (13:26):
Hammett.
You were hammett.

SPEAKER_05 (13:28):
You were right.
Or was I right?

SPEAKER_04 (13:31):
I thought I said T, but I don't remember now.
It's been too long ago.
It's Hammett.
Okay.
This has been long time ago.

SPEAKER_05 (13:37):
We're ashamed of ourselves.

SPEAKER_04 (13:38):
This is a long time ago, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_05 (13:40):
Yes.
But we have seen The Rock Gods.
We have seen The Rock Gods.
Sound Garden.

SPEAKER_04 (13:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (13:50):
Whose lead singer was also in Rage.

SPEAKER_04 (13:53):
So our unicorns, though, Outcast for sure.
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
System of a Down.

SPEAKER_05 (14:04):
Don't get down.
That's uh Jesse and I love thatsong.
That's our favorite outcastsong.
Love it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (14:14):
And for them to get inducted in the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame.
And Jim Gary.
Jim Carrey?

SPEAKER_05 (14:19):
You just said Jim Gary.
I'm done.
I'm done.
I'm going to the bathroom.

SPEAKER_04 (14:26):
Well, he was there.
All the Gary's jacket.

SPEAKER_05 (14:29):
I loved his whole fit.

SPEAKER_04 (14:30):
I did.
I really did.
It was just amazing.
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Oh my God, check it out.
So, with all that being said,Lindsay, what made you feel old
this week?

SPEAKER_05 (14:43):
How fast time is going by.
And I may have said this before,but the fact that I am buying
Thanksgiving groceries, I feellike I just did this two weeks
ago.

SPEAKER_04 (14:57):
Like 10 minutes ago.

SPEAKER_05 (14:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (14:59):
Yeah.
You know, it seems genericwhenever I bring up things and
I'm like, I think I've alreadysaid this before.
Oh my God, time is flying sofast.

SPEAKER_05 (15:11):
And oh wow, dude.
We're crazy already.

SPEAKER_04 (15:14):
We don't even know it.

SPEAKER_05 (15:15):
When we were kids, we would talk about how shit
would just take forever, but ourchildren are talking about how
fast time is going.
So it's like it's weird.

SPEAKER_04 (15:25):
I'm confused.

SPEAKER_05 (15:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (15:26):
Yeah, because it felt like it took forever to get
to summer.
And I was just like, I couldn'twait for and then summer was
over.

SPEAKER_05 (15:32):
Summer! Because we well, we had such an epic
summer, and we're gonna do thatall over again next year.
Like we had.

SPEAKER_04 (15:39):
You know, the cool thing about it is eventually
we're gonna be grabbing likegrandkids up for summer.
And I was talking to you.

SPEAKER_05 (15:44):
We already are.
They went with us every time.

SPEAKER_04 (15:46):
Yeah, I want I want a whole grandkid just one for
like a week during summer.
Just to have like that.

SPEAKER_05 (15:52):
Every day, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (15:53):
Yeah, a whole week just one, and just spend bestow
upon all that we can put onthem.

SPEAKER_05 (16:01):
We'll wait until the third one is like five, then
we'll start doing that.

SPEAKER_04 (16:04):
Okay, yeah.
I'm down.
I'm down.
Yeah, we had the grandkids overyou know this weekend, and I
love it so much.
And I want to spend so muchpersonal time with them without
all the other ones, because wegot like four.
And right now uncleism was a bigthing.
Uh Lindsay, you know, whenwhenever Gen Z started, uncleism

(16:28):
was a big thing for me.
And I love to bestow personaltime on to any human that I
could that was, you know, youknow, my nieces and nephews, and
personal time, and and they'rethey're all they all consider me
as their favorite uncle.
It's because I would take themas personal time.
And some of them did some crazythings, you know.

(16:49):
I had one of them shit on me onetime.
I was at a powwow.

SPEAKER_05 (16:52):
Well, that's that's part of being an uncle.
I love it.

SPEAKER_04 (16:56):
I love it.
It's just, you know.

SPEAKER_05 (16:58):
That's what I had we had just started dating.
Like we were, what, maybe twomonths in, and you called me
that next morning to check in.
He went to a powwow with hisnephew.
I couldn't go because I had towork, like I was off Saturday,
but I had to work Sunday.
And a powwow is a three-dayevent.
Yeah.
Especially one out of town.
You don't really want to try todate.

(17:19):
We, I mean, we did make it worka lot for day trips.

SPEAKER_04 (17:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (17:22):
But um, but what you were host drum.

SPEAKER_04 (17:26):
Lead singer of the host drum.

SPEAKER_05 (17:28):
Yeah, lead singer of the host drum, and you had to be
gone the full the full weekend.
Yeah.
And I couldn't do it because,like I said, first of all, we
had just met.
I work in a restaurant.
It's hard to get, and I was onlysix, I was only six years in.
Now I'm almost 20.
January would be 20 years in.

SPEAKER_04 (17:45):
You'd be like, dude, I'm going to go ahead and do it.

SPEAKER_05 (17:47):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like I've already requestedMother's Day weekend off, which
my boss is gonna shit a brick.
But guess what?
It's already approved.
So bless for me.
It's already approved.
Can't say shit.

SPEAKER_04 (17:57):
Years ago in early Gen Zill, like I would go off
and you know, we I would do myyou know, powwows and things,
you know, things that I hadalready committed to before
that.
Yeah, before we met.
I've stepped away a little bit,but I think we're gonna go back.
I think I want to go back inMarch.
I think it's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_05 (18:14):
Well, we had other things, there was other things
that you wanted to do.
You had done all that for solong.
You're like, all right, I wantto do this too.
Yeah.
And which was pursue the band.
And us stuff too.
And us stuff and trips, andthere's only so many hours and
weeks and months and years.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (18:32):
But you have stories.

SPEAKER_05 (18:35):
I have a a a pretty long one today.
You told me that I needed myplant this week.
So, y'all.
This one.
Lock in.
Let's get started.
So I wanted to cover anothercult.
Oh.
And I was looking through mysaved cases, and I found the one
that I wanted to talk about thisweek.
So Jesse and I recently visitedFall River, Massachusetts.
Oh.

(18:55):
And stayed at Lizzie at theLizzie Borden house and covered
the crimes that happened there,which are, you know, the most
most people are familiar with.
But did you know that there wasa satanic cult happening around
the time of the satanic panic inthat area?

SPEAKER_04 (19:11):
Really?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (19:13):
So that's what we're drinking about today.

SPEAKER_04 (19:15):
Oh, cheers.
Yes, cheers.
By the way, by all means.

SPEAKER_05 (19:18):
Clink.
Let's take a sip.
I need to vocal.
We got a little cold coming on.

SPEAKER_04 (19:23):
We're all kind of snotty over here, but you know,
we're we're doing the damnthing, and Lindsay's fixing the
puddle the fuck out of me.
I didn't know it was a cultthing.
Holy shit.
We did one on our own town onetime.
Yeah, check that out.

SPEAKER_05 (19:37):
Hometown Colt.
Go back to our backlog.
Whoa.
Well, in the 70s and 80s, FallRiver experienced a large climb
in sex work due to the recessionat that time.
And it had been building forquite some time.
So during the time of the Bordenmurders, this town was booming
with the textile industry.
But by the 70s, it was a lotdifferent.

(19:58):
By the 1970s, it was a lotdifferent.
Because that happened in thelate 1800s.
And when we went, it wasbeautiful again.
So Fall River has been throughsome shit, y'all.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (20:09):
Ethnicity, though, it was a lot of Portuguese
people.

SPEAKER_05 (20:11):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (20:12):
Are we going to talk about something?

SPEAKER_05 (20:13):
We might no, no, no, no.
Not this time.
Um, we might have to go way backfor that, way before the
boarding, because Portugueseimmigrants was already pretty
predominant through there.
And they are now, right?

SPEAKER_04 (20:25):
Wow.
That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 (20:27):
So sex work was so rampant that women from other
cities would come to work thestreets of Fall River to make
money to provide for theirfamilies.

SPEAKER_04 (20:37):
They knew where to go to get a come up.

SPEAKER_05 (20:39):
And clients from all over came to partake in this
industry, some as far away asFlorida.
What?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (20:47):
So is that like the Epstein Island of fucking?

SPEAKER_05 (20:51):
It was.
And it's really when I getfurther into it, you're when I
tell you the ages of some ofthese people involved, it's Oh
no, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_04 (21:00):
Yeah.
Cause you know, me, I've been sofucking just predominantly
fucking enthusiastic aboutgetting justice for what people
get groomed into and trying tobe, you know, they're just
trying to make you know asomething a living.
A living something.

SPEAKER_05 (21:19):
So let me get into it, okay?

SPEAKER_04 (21:21):
Okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_05 (21:22):
So a man named Carl Drew, who was from New
Hampshire, and we just talkedabout that.
He'll be one of the main peoplewe talk about through this case.
Carl was from a poor farmingfamily in New Hampshire and was
born in 1954.
And Jesse and I saw it's stillvery farming today.
Like we literally drove fiveminutes to Walmart.

(21:45):
And but in that five minutes, wewent from beach strip to
tractors and silos.
It was crazy.
Like how how different thescenery changed in New
Hampshire.

SPEAKER_04 (21:58):
We took a lift, that was it.
We're there.

SPEAKER_05 (22:01):
Yeah.
Now his father was an abusivealcoholic and liked to punish
Carl in ways that some of uscan't imagine.

SPEAKER_04 (22:11):
But Lindsay, why can't you bring up a father that
I can say faj?

SPEAKER_05 (22:15):
You can't.
Because, yeah, most of the timethere's a lot of salad
ingredients here, okay?
His father beat him regularlyand one time made him retrieve
dead rats from the bottom of awell while he had Carl tied by
the anchors, the anchors, theankles, and lowered him into the

(22:36):
well.
He was also made to slaughterthe farm animals, and this would
make, and Carl was little whenhe was doing this, and this
would make him physically ill.
And I can attest to that.
I've shared the story on anepisode before where I watched,
I didn't participate in theslaughtering, but I watched my
uncle slaughter a pig and Ipuked my guts up.

SPEAKER_04 (22:56):
Horrified.
But to be tied by the ankles anddropped down into a well to a
well to retrieve dead rats.
You're done.
You're done.
You're fucked.
Trauma.
You're trauma ties from then on.

SPEAKER_05 (23:08):
Then on top of it, you're slaughtering animals.
And okay, so there was a pit onthis farm that consisted of the
discarded parts of slaughteredanimals that Carl fell into
after he had refused toslaughter and dismember a horse
that had been burnt in a barnfire.
So his father was so mad at hisrefusal that he cornered Carl

(23:32):
into or towards the edge of thispit, and Carl fell in.
So he fell into an entire pit ofanimal innards and carcasses.

SPEAKER_04 (23:42):
Nowhere near as cool as the pit that we've seen from
Parks and Wreck.
I fell into the pit.
The gut pit.

SPEAKER_05 (23:54):
Thank you for that, because that's all I can think
about.

SPEAKER_04 (23:57):
Did you?

SPEAKER_05 (23:58):
Yes.
Oh I fell into the pit.
He fell into the pit.
We all fell in the pit.
What?
No.
Into the pit.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (24:14):
No, like, okay, this is really horrific already.
Right off.
Like traumatizing.

SPEAKER_05 (24:22):
Oh, Lindsay.
Well, in 1968, when Carl was 14,he quit school and left home.
So all that happened before theage of 14.
So he drifted from town to town,surviving on the streets, and
came to Fall River in the 70s.
Now, while he was in Fall River,he got into some crime and he

(24:44):
was convicted of robbery in thearea and had to stay there as
part of his parole agreement.
So he was locked into FallRiver.
Well, after he got out, he gotinto the drug scene and would
later become a pimp for sexworkers.

SPEAKER_04 (24:59):
No.

SPEAKER_05 (25:00):
Carl was what we would call a biker.
He drove a motorcycle, wore aleather jacket, and wore
steel-toed combat boots, andjoined a biker gang called the
Sidewinders.
And they were in affiliationwith Hell's Angels.

SPEAKER_04 (25:14):
So many.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (25:18):
He had hate tattooed on his left hand and a red devil
on his forearm with Satan'sAvengers underneath.
Now his area of business was onBedford Street.
Did we drive down that street?
We did.

SPEAKER_04 (25:33):
We got lost up there.
We did.

SPEAKER_05 (25:36):
We were just trying to find something to drink.

SPEAKER_04 (25:39):
Like seltzer.

SPEAKER_05 (25:40):
And I just want y'all, if y'all ever visit Fall
River, you cannot buy anythingalcoholic at A Bodega.
You gotta go straight to theliquor store.
So, um, and we did not knowthat.
Yeah, we drove to how many?
God, I don't even know.

SPEAKER_04 (25:55):
It was 555, and I was like, what?
I really couldn't.
I couldn't.

SPEAKER_05 (26:01):
Like I said, so his area was business of business
was on Beverge Street, where hewould connect John's with sex
workers.
He was a very violent pimp aswell as a thief, and these
actions would land him in jailoften.
Now he was very protective ofhis girls, but he was violent to
them as well.
So like they felt safe with him,but they were also terrified of

(26:24):
him.
It was it was fucking wild, wildfeeling.

SPEAKER_04 (26:27):
Which is no existence for any female human.

SPEAKER_05 (26:31):
No, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_04 (26:32):
No existence to feel like you're you're having a come
up and having to do that.

SPEAKER_05 (26:37):
And this was just survival for them.
Well, never never get it.

SPEAKER_04 (26:42):
It was absolutely terrible in life.
Wow.

SPEAKER_05 (26:45):
In one instance, he threw a man down a flight of
stairs that had been violenttowards one of his girls.
He was arrested.
He escaped from the squad carand tried to make a run for the
Canadian border through theblizzard of 78 on a snowmobile.

SPEAKER_04 (27:02):
Not in 78, like in 78.
I remember that blizzard.
That was before I was born.

SPEAKER_05 (27:08):
But he was still caught.
And now that man, he later diedin the hospital.
But that man had been a drugaddict.
And the medical examinercouldn't say if he died from
drugs or from the injuries thatCarl had bestowed upon him.
So Carl was free to go and wentback to his life of being a pimp
on Bedford Street.

(27:29):
Carl was a hard ass.
Carl was a hard ass.
So in June of 1979, a sex workernamed Karen Marson met up with
him at a bar called thePenthouse with her friend
Cookie, and Cookie's car hadjust been stolen.
So Karen wanted to see if Carlcould get the car back because,

(27:49):
you know, he had connectionswith all the peeps that could
possibly retrieve a stolenvehicle.

SPEAKER_03 (27:55):
Lindsay, I feel like every one of these stories
there's a cookie.

SPEAKER_05 (27:58):
We have not had zero, we have not talked about
one cookie yet.

SPEAKER_03 (28:02):
Well, it comes to pimps and prostitutes, there's
always a cookie.

SPEAKER_05 (28:05):
Probably.
Yes.
So Cookie promised him$75 if hecould find her car.
And when he did, Carl decidedthat uh$75 wasn't gonna be
enough.
Not enough.
He told Cookie that she neededto pay off her debt by working
for him.

(28:26):
And Cookie wasn't a sex worker,so she refused.
She was like, no, fuck off.
Here's$75, is what I got.
Thank you for finding my car.
But this is what I got.
And then Carl was like, I willkill your children.
What?
If you don't work for me.
Kill your children.
So what else is Cookie gonna do?

SPEAKER_04 (28:46):
You're fucking me up right now.

SPEAKER_05 (28:49):
Now, in the world of sex work, Carl was he was King
Penn, you know?
He was the Bedford Street pimp.
Like he was the fucker.

SPEAKER_03 (29:01):
He was running it.

SPEAKER_05 (29:03):
But there was a 17-year-old girl named Robin
Murphy who would try and givehim a run for his money.
And I'm gonna tell you her name,her age over and over because it
still blows my fucking mind.
Okay.
17-year-old Robin Murphy.

(29:23):
Now there's not uh there's not awhole lot of her backstory out
there, but she was born in 1962.
She grew up in Fall River withher mom and stepfather.
She was super street smart,manipulative, and very violent.
When Robin was only 11 yearsold, she had left home after an
argument with her mother and waspicked up by an older man named

(29:47):
Andy Maltese.
It's either Maltese or Maltese.

SPEAKER_04 (29:52):
One of the two.
Robin knew the game before thegame was even invented.
Literally.
She knew the game.

SPEAKER_05 (29:57):
Now Andy was a drug addict.
He was a pedophile, he was arapist, and he was a statomaco
masochist.
And he also said that he was aworshiper of Satan.
Oh, here we go.
He drove Robin out to uh theFreetown Fall River State

(30:17):
Forest.
He raped her and then took herhome.
He would continue to pick her upfrom school in the afternoons to
take her to the same spot, giveher drugs, rape her, and just it
was just a cycle.
It just kept happening.
So Andy Maltese just groomedRobin into the person that she

(30:41):
would later become.
I mean, honestly, fuck Andy.
We're gonna say it right off therip.
Fuck Andy.
Fuck Andy.

SPEAKER_04 (30:48):
Fuck Andy all the way to the Andes.
Starting at 11 years old.
That's fucking horrific.

SPEAKER_05 (30:54):
You got me planting.
I know.
Robert plant.
It's not gonna get any better.
So hold the plant's hand.

SPEAKER_03 (31:00):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (31:02):
I'm on the plant.

SPEAKER_05 (31:03):
Now Andy convinced her, as many abusers do, that if
she told anyone, she would bethe one to get in trouble.
No.
Now this would later on cause alot of mental health problems
with Robin.
She would have failedrelationships with men and
women, all while Andy continuedto abuse her.
And Andy would also convince herto worship Satan, just like him.

(31:28):
So we have talked in the pastabout the Church of Satan.
This is different than devilworship.
So the Church of Satan isbasically a mockery to
Christianity, where they arejust you, they just worship
oneself.
They're just selfish.
They're like, treat yourself.

(31:49):
You have talked about parks andrecs.
So we want to.
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (31:54):
Oh my God.

SPEAKER_05 (31:54):
Yeah.
Wow.
So Church of Satan or a Satanistis just a selfish human being
that worships themselves.
They care about them.
They don't believe in God.
They don't believe in the devil.
They don't believe in anyspiritual entity.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (32:10):
Whatever that that is glorifying to their self as
far as anything.
I mean, now the devil talkingabout that.

SPEAKER_05 (32:18):
Right.
Now, devil worship, on the otherhand, is so think about when you
go to church and you worshipGod.
This is what a devil worshiperdoes.
They instead of worshiping God,they worship devil.
They pray to him, they um speakto him, like just like if you

(32:40):
were in a prayer talking to Godand a devil worshiper's mind, or
in their religion, they pray toSatan.

SPEAKER_04 (32:49):
Which on both accounts is not healthy.
And either way, you're eitherselfish or you're you're
supporting something that'snegative to me.

SPEAKER_05 (32:59):
Well, if and I I encourage our listeners, because
I've already got a long scripthere, but I encourage y'all to
look up the history of devilworship and see how similar it
is to Christianity.
Just the opposite.
It's similar, but differententities.
It's it's it's wild, okay?
Okay.
I did I did a lot of research onit, but that could be a whole

(33:22):
different episode.

SPEAKER_04 (33:23):
I don't know.
I mean, I'm just I just feellike what I said.
I just feel like that.

SPEAKER_05 (33:27):
Now it wouldn't be hard for Andy to convince her to
worship Satan because Robin hadalready shown interest in the
occult.
So she was already on that cuspalready, which is still wild to
me too, because like I heard ina couple, I always listen to a
couple of different podcasters'point of views of the same

(33:48):
subject.
And uh the red-handed ladies,like uh Hannah said that
everybody fucks with the occultin their teen years, but I
didn't.
So I'm like, is that why I'minterested in it now?

SPEAKER_04 (34:04):
Yeah, well, you you couldn't.
You couldn't.
I wasn't allowed to.

SPEAKER_05 (34:08):
So, but is that why I'm interested in it now?
Because I wasn't, do we all havean occult phase?

SPEAKER_04 (34:13):
Like, you know, I feel like everybody, you didn't
have that, Lindsay.
I feel like everybody really hadthat um rebellion.
You you want you want to come upwith something.

SPEAKER_05 (34:24):
And I don't even feel like it's in a rebellion.
I think it's just I just want toexplore everything else there is
to believe in.

SPEAKER_04 (34:32):
Right.
That's because I wantunderstanding.
That's your adult perspective,right?
And well, well, as a kid, whereI went through that, and so many
people did, you want to havethat rebellious, you want to try
something different.
You want to be like, I want tobreak away from everything
that's been pushed on me and beindependent.

SPEAKER_05 (34:51):
And that and that makes sense because as my, you
know, I I wasn't allowed to dothings as a kid, so and I don't
even call it a rebellion now.
Now I'm just able to be who Iam.

SPEAKER_04 (35:02):
Yeah, but you were raising fear and everything
else.
Right.
I was raised, yeah.
You didn't strive over to thatto that area just to be uh the
exploration of I want to seewhat's on this other side to see
why the other side, you know?

SPEAKER_05 (35:17):
A lot of that fear was lifted when I did realize
that most of everything I wasever taught was a lie or a
fabrication.
So I'm like, oh, huh.
Well, let me, I want to go, Iwant to go study this over here,
and I want to look, I want todeep dive into this.

SPEAKER_04 (35:32):
Yeah, which is interesting to me because you're
discovering all that as anadult, where a lot of kids did
all that as you know, teenagersor whatever.
So it's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 (35:46):
Now, uh Robin would later find that Satanism was a
way to control people with fearof Satan's wrath.
So she would use it as like acontrolling tactic as well.
Robin was a mother.
I mean, Robin was I ain't neverseen no teenager like Robin so
far in anything that we'vetalked about.
So Robin was feared in school,but she was very highly

(36:10):
intelligent, which made her ableto be like a really big bully at
the same time.
And she showed zero remorse forany actions, for any bad
actions.
Like, she's like, I don't give afuck.
Robin did not give a fuck.
She was a really good liar too.
And I need all of our listenersand you to hang on to that fact

(36:32):
as I tell the rest of the story.

SPEAKER_04 (36:34):
I feel like she's gonna push whatever that is part
of her come-up.

SPEAKER_05 (36:38):
Yes.
So Robin would quit schoolreally early on, and she became
a sex worker herself on BedfordStreet, but she did not work for
Carl.
Uh, she did sex work like on herown.
She was her own agent, she washer own pimp.
Independent.
She was independent, and uh shewas too, she was too smart for a
pimp.
Now, so that made Carl not likeher at all.

(36:59):
No, she's competition.
And I'm gonna say it again, andthe I'm gonna say it more times.
She's 17 years old.
Okay.
So before she had moved out ofher mother's house, her mom had
sent her to a doctor for mentalhealth testing.
And Robin was so good at lyingand manipulation that the doctor

(37:20):
thought that she would lie, thatshe had lied on her tests
because she didn't want to bediagnosed with anything.
Uh, but it was believed that shehad antisocial personality
disorder.
And I did not elaborate on that,but you guys have Google.
Y'all know what, y'all knowwhat's up.
Google what that is.

(37:41):
So in 1979, Robin was living ina housing project called Harbor
Terrace.
And she was in a relationshipwith a woman named Sunny Sparta,
who had been a sex worker in thepast, but now was like a mother
to the other girls in theindustry.
She was kind of, she was kind oflike the madam.
Now, Sonny was also a worshiperof the devil.

(38:02):
She would uh she would alsospend some time, or Robin would
also spend time with KarenMarsden, who we talked about
just a minute ago, intimately.
But Karen was scared of Robin.
Like she had, she was intimatewith her, but she was scared of
her all at the same time.
And Karen was a little older.

SPEAKER_04 (38:20):
You know, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 (38:21):
Yeah.
Oh, like I said, and Karen was alittle older.
She was around 20 years old, andshe had gotten into sex work due
to her heroin addiction, whichis so sad.

SPEAKER_02 (38:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (38:31):
And she had a son who was in foster care and she
lived with her grandmother.
That was Karen.
Now, despite Robin and Carlhating each other, they were
part of the area's satanic cult.
This cult was known in the areaby everyone, including the
police.
This cult had anywhere from 15to 25 members, and their meeting

(38:52):
place during like summer andstuff was in the forest, where
they would sacrifice animalssuch as goats or cats on an
altar and they would speak intongues.

SPEAKER_04 (39:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (39:04):
Just like a Pentecostal.

SPEAKER_04 (39:06):
Oh, it's unhealthy either way.

SPEAKER_05 (39:07):
Yes.
Now they would pour blood of theanimal on uh a chosen member's
head.
Now, sometimes this was on amember who wanted it, and
sometimes it was served as apunishment.
When it was cold, they wouldmeet in Sunny Sparta's apartment
and try to summon the devilthrough chanting and prayer.

(39:30):
Very similar to praying to God.
I mean, it really is.
It's like it's chilling to mehow similar.

SPEAKER_04 (39:38):
Yeah, I mean, the blood of Christ and things, you
know, but like, okay, on eitherentity, how do you think?

SPEAKER_05 (39:45):
Well, and there was in the Bible, you read about
animal sacrifices for God.

SPEAKER_04 (39:48):
And they stripped away so many books that that
that were that crazy religionpart of it.

SPEAKER_05 (39:54):
I mean, I don't was it Genesis where Abraham was
going to have to sacrifice hisown kid?

SPEAKER_04 (40:00):
That's just what they let us know.
I mean, there's so many other byother books in that that have
been stripped away.

SPEAKER_05 (40:07):
And the practice of just like Cain and Abel.

SPEAKER_04 (40:11):
All together, though.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (40:12):
Cain sacrificed a lamb where Abel uh uh Abel
sacrificed vegetables and crops.

SPEAKER_04 (40:18):
And the whole handmaid's tail thing.
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 (40:23):
I'm just saying.
Watch handmaid's tail, period.

SPEAKER_04 (40:25):
No, there's nothing you can do on either side that
actually makes anything fuckingvaluable.
There's nothing that actuallybecomes anything as far as
religious real thing.
You're just doing a bunch ofbullshit things that never
become into anything that'sworth it to worship to me.

SPEAKER_05 (40:45):
Well, like I said, the uh the members said it was
just like church, only their Godwas the devil.
When a group member wasdisrespected by another, the
rest of the group would punishthe one who had disrespected.
On the morning of October 12th,1979, two joggers found the body

(41:08):
of a teenage sex worker namedDoreen Levesque.
And she was under the bleachersof a vocational high school in
the area.
Her death had been caused bystoning.
Fuck.
And she had been stabbed in theback of the head post-mortem.
She also had a baseball batinside of her.

SPEAKER_04 (41:31):
Inside of her, Lindsay.
I'm fucking going to the plant.
You're fucking with me rightnow.
You're fucking fucked Lindsay.

SPEAKER_05 (41:38):
Well, investigators assumed that it was a sex crime
or a revenge killing due to thebrutality of the crime.
This murder seemed to have beencommitted ritualistically and by
more than one person.
Well, in November of 79, AndyMaltese called the police and

(41:59):
said that he had someinformation on Doreen's murder.
This is Andy is the one thatgroomed Robin.
Okay.
If you need any recap, let meknow because there are a lot of
players.

SPEAKER_04 (42:09):
Well, he's like Fall Rivers had a fucking nuff to
begin with.
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (42:13):
Fuck.
Now he said, so Andy said thathe didn't know anything
personally, but that Robin andKaren did.
So he calls up the police.
He's like, I got information.
Now I don't know anythingpersonally, but you need to go
talk to Robin Murphy and KarenMarston.
So he said that him and hisex-girlfriend Barbara had been

(42:37):
in the cult, but he had sinceleft and he no longer worships
Satan.
He now found Jesus.
Jesus.
And God talked to him all thetime.
Jesus and prostitutes.
So he told them also that he wasa psychic, which is crazy to me
because my church backgroundtold me that psych psychic

(43:02):
abilities was devil.
So it's it's so because we'vetalked about that quite a few
times now.

SPEAKER_04 (43:08):
Does that work?
I mean, I like that.

SPEAKER_05 (43:10):
Like Ed and Lorraine Lauren.
Ed and Lorraine Warren was usingpsychic and clairvoyant
abilities.
Wait a minute.
And it was tied withChristianity.
You're contradicting yourcontradictions.
Right.
So Andy tricked Robin and Kareninto meeting with detective Paul

(43:30):
Fitzgerald.
And this scared the shit out ofKaren.
And she just kind of likeblurted out, Carl Drew did it.

SPEAKER_04 (43:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (43:41):
And Karen told Paul Fitzgerald that Carl was
literally the devil himself.
And if she were to turn up dead,it was Carl.

SPEAKER_04 (43:50):
Well, isn't isn't a part of the devil being
deceived, deceiving?
You know, you're gonna tell liesand you're gonna do your things.
That's part of the devil.

SPEAKER_05 (44:00):
Yes.
Now Robin would tell Fitzgeraldthat she knew nothing.
This was all Karen.
Now Fitzgerald knew that Carlhad been accused of murder
before, and that he was probablythe one who had started the
Bedford Street satanic cult.
But he needed more evidence, ofcourse.

(44:20):
Andy would continue to callFitzgerald to check on the case
and talk about his new Lord andSavior, Jesus Christ.
And he would also ask about hisex-girlfriend, Barbara, who had
been missing for a while.
And Andy reported her missing,even though she was dating
another guy.
I feel like I'm tracking righthere.
You're tracking?

(44:40):
Okay, I'm so excited.
Woo! All right.
It's gonna get bad again.
You ready?
No, but yeah, fine.
Hold the plant's hand.
I'm gonna take a sip.
Okay, but Lindsay, but Lindsay.
Okay.
The day quill we had to take offmic got stuck in my throat.
So on January 26th, a hunter wasout running his dogs, and he

(45:04):
found the decomposed body of awoman behind a printing factory.
Her hands were tied, and she hadbeen stoned, just like Doreen.
And uh, you know, like I said,she had been dead for some time.
She was decomposing, and she hadalso been sexually assaulted.

(45:24):
This woman would be AndyMaltese's ex-girlfriend, Barbara
Raposa.
Oh.
She was only 19 years old.
And when you think of a Barbara,you think of like a 65-year-old
woman, but this Barbara was 19years old.
This is 70s.
Exactly.
So the barbaras were in theirteenagers.

(45:46):
They were teenagers.
Yes.
Now Andy would be the first tobe questioned since he was the
ex and had reported her missing,but they let him go.
Next, they questioned Barbara'scurrent boyfriend, David Cohen.
Now he said the last time he hadseen her, they had dinner and
then she went to go to work.

(46:07):
If you catch my drift, and henever saw her again.
Now, why didn't he report hermissing?
Why did the ex Andy report hermissing?

SPEAKER_04 (46:14):
Nobody really pursued any of that shit.

SPEAKER_05 (46:17):
Right.
Because unfortunately, let'sbring awareness to this too.
Sex workers go unnoticed.
So now there are two young sexworkers dead, and they have both
been stoned to death.
Damn.
On February 5th, 1980, Andycalled Fitzgerald up and said,

(46:37):
Hey, I know how Barbara died.
It was revealed to me in adream.
He said that in his psychicdream, he was floating above
Barbara and watched as a big manin a leather jacket beat Barbara
with a rock.
And she had been screaming andcalling his name to come help

(46:57):
her.
And when detectives showed him apicture of the field behind the
printing factory, he pointed tothe exact spot where her body
had been found.
And then he said, Oh, wait, itwasn't a rock.
It was a concrete cinder block.
Now the murder weapon had been aconcrete cinder block, and that
information had not beenreleased.

(47:20):
So this seemed more of aconfession than a dream.

SPEAKER_02 (47:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (47:24):
And Andy was arrested two days later for the
murder of Barbara Raposa, andinvestigators hope to tie Doreen
Levesque to him as well.
But it wasn't that simple.
Well, on February 8th, stillwe're in, still in 1980.
So that's three days later,right?
Yes.
So that was fifth.
Now we're on the eighth.

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Karen Marsden called AlanSylvia, another detective who
was on the case, and said Robinand Carl had taken her and
another sex worker named CarolFletcher out to a clearing deep
in the woods.
There was a pond, a stonestructure with trees that had

(48:05):
pentagrams carved into them.
And this was the altar whereanimals had been sacrificed.
But Robin said that every monthduring the full moon, they did a
human sacrifice.
Fuck.
This ritual would consist ofsex, drugs, chanting, trying to

(48:26):
summon the devil.
They're like, here's a soul foryou.
Sir.
Whatever.
You know.
So Robin would tell the womenthat if they talk to the police,
Carl Drew would kill them byinjecting them with battery acid
and sacrifice their souls to thedevil.
Once again, Robin Murphy is 17years old.

(48:48):
Oh fuck's sake.
Oh my god.
I cannot with Robin Murphy.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (48:55):
You can't.
Well, Robin Murphy.

SPEAKER_05 (48:57):
Murphy.
You can't.
Now, to Detective Alan Sylvia,he was like, this is a little
out there, girl, you know?
But it got him thinking thatmaybe he should look into Robin
a little more.
Karen Marsden was terrified forher and her family's life and
asked Alan to please drop heroff as St.

(49:19):
Mary's Cathedral to stay therefor safety.
I guess they had like, you couldgo and stay at the church for
refuge.
Yeah, sanctuary.
Right.
So the next day, on February9th, Robin Murphy called the
police and said, I want to getsomething off my chest.
Can you come over to Sonny's?

(49:39):
So they went to Sonny Sparta'shouse and or her apartment, and
they found uh Robin who had beendrinking and getting high.
And she was sitting under thisvery large painting of Satan,
and that was what was used foran altar for their cult
meetings.
Remember how I told you theywent to the woods in the summer.

(50:00):
They met at Sonny's in thewinter.

SPEAKER_04 (50:03):
And I'm going to fucking horrific, Lindsay.
So horrific.
I'm going to flip the page.
You can flip it.
Okay.
Turn the page.
Turn the page.
Fuck, Lindsay.
Every time you turn the page, Iget more on edge.
I'm already falling off the seathere.

SPEAKER_05 (50:21):
She tells detectives that Andy had indeed killed
Barbara.
And she was there when he didit.
On November 7th, Robin had askedAndy for a ride to her mother's
house.
And uh there was a she was at arestaurant.
And uh when he picked her up, hesaid, Well, I gotta pick up

(50:41):
Barbara as well.
Robin says on the way to pick upBarbara, Andy flat out says that
he's gonna kill Barbara becauseshe has been dating David Cohen.
That was the newer boyfriend.
Talk about him.
The one who did not report hermissing after she went missing.
You know what I mean?
Andy reported her missing, butnot David.

(51:02):
Everybody's flipping shit.
Right.
Everywhere.
But Robin, you know, she waslike, whatever, Andy, you ain't
gonna kill nobody.
And uh when they pick upBarbara, apparently she wasn't
happy about Robin being in thecar.
And the two got into a app likea flat out fist fight.
And this was after they smoked ajoint.

(51:24):
Like, what?

SPEAKER_04 (51:25):
Yeah, wasn't good shit.

SPEAKER_05 (51:27):
And I guess not because when when we when I
partake, I ain't fightingnobody.
I'm gonna love you.
And I'm gonna talk your ear off.
It wasn't that good.
And I'm gonna eat some snacks,but I ain't fist fighting shit.

SPEAKER_04 (51:40):
You gotta get some of that good.

SPEAKER_05 (51:42):
But also, I'm not 17 years old, but I wasn't like
that then.
Like I partook then and I didn'twant to fight nobody.
I'm just not fighting.

SPEAKER_04 (51:48):
There's a lot of fucking turmoil going on.

SPEAKER_05 (51:50):
There's a whole lot of turmoil.
Yeah.
I was not in this lifestylewhatsoever.

SPEAKER_04 (51:53):
It wasn't fucking sustained, fucking what the fuck
was really fucking fucking goingon.
Fuck.

SPEAKER_05 (51:59):
So while they were fighting, Andy pulls behind the
printing factory and he tellsBarbara to get out.
Now Robin says that Barbara thenpulled down her pants and Andy
grabbed sex toys out of thetrunk.
Robin says she just hung out inthe car while they did the deed.

(52:19):
And then afterwards, they beganto argue.
And then she said that's whenAndy beat Barbara with what she
thought was a rock.
And he got in the car and droveRobin home.
Now she said she had waited solong to tell anyone out of fear

(52:39):
of Andy.
But now that he was in jail, shewas ready to talk.
But she was still terrified forher safety, so she's like, I
need some protection.
So now she's the star witness inthis murder case.
So they put Robin in protectivecustody.
She was put up in a hotel roomand she was checked on twice a

(53:00):
day.
Every day.
That same day that she got putin, that she, you know, told the
story and got put intoprotective custody, Karen
Marsden's grandmother reportedher missing.
So we've got Doreen, we've gotBarbara, they're both dead.
And now we have Karen Marsden,who has been a key player in all

(53:22):
of this.
She's missing.
Now Karen had told the police,if you remember, that if
anything happened to her, CarlDrew did it.
Carl did it.
But they also knew that she wasin a relationship with Robin.
So Carl was brought in forquestioning.
He said that the last time hehad seen Karen was after Alan

(53:46):
Sylvia had dropped her off atthe church.
And he said that she was in acar with Robin and Carla
Fletcher.
Or Carol Fletcher, excuse me.
So detectives talked to Karen'sfriends and other sex workers
and Sonny Sparta.
On February 16th, Detective AlanSylvia and Paul Carey decided

(54:08):
they would attend one of thecult services at Sonny Sparta's
house.
Carl Drew was there, and so wasRobin.
After the service was over, Alansaid that he heard Robin speak
in a disembodied voice and say,Satan will have its toll.
Quit, Lindsay.

(54:29):
Sorry.
Stop it.
That's just how I imagine itwas.
Because they said it was verydeep, very manlike.
It was crazy.
It's scared me over here.
Again, 17 years old.
Fuck 17.
He's only 17.
17.
They continue to interviewwitnesses that may help them
find Karen Marston.

(54:51):
Some pointed towards Carl,others pointed towards Robin.
And Sonny and another sex workertold detectives that Robin had
told them that she actuallykilled Karen.
So there's just so much going onhere.
Now they already knew that shehad been at the killing of
Barbara.

(55:12):
And another witness said thatshe was also present for the
killing of Doreen Levesque.
So detectives decided to sendRobin to Texas for quote unquote
protection.
But it was actually to keep heraway from any of the other
witnesses that would help themfigure out what happened to

(55:34):
Karen.
Because they felt like if shewas a part of this, she's going
to manipulate these other peopleinto saying that she wasn't.
On April 13th, Karen Marson wasfound in Westport.
Her skull had been crushed.

(55:54):
And clumps of her hair waspulled out by the roots and just
kind of scattered everywhere.
Pieces of her clothes and threegutted cats had been lined up
beside her.
And the innards of the cats werescattered over stones formed
into a triangle.

SPEAKER_04 (56:14):
Lindsay!

SPEAKER_05 (56:16):
What the fucking cats?
I told you they sacrificedanimals.
But Lindsay! Now, DetectiveAllen recognized the clothing as
the same clothes she was wearingwhen he had dropped her off at
the church.
And skull x-rays confirmed thatit was her because she was
unrecognizable, like as far asher face went.

(56:38):
Like pieces of her jaw weremissing.

SPEAKER_03 (56:41):
What the fuck?

SPEAKER_05 (56:42):
Yeah.
Are not missing.
I'm sorry.
They were broken off.
Like they were found, but theywere not attached to her skull.
Yeah, she was mutilated.

SPEAKER_00 (56:50):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (56:51):
Fuck.

SPEAKER_05 (56:52):
So detectives, they have Sonny Sparta call Robin
over in Witness Protection on arecorded line.
And she admits to killing KarenMarsden.
Again.
How old was she?

SPEAKER_03 (57:10):
Seven.

SPEAKER_05 (57:12):
Now with the taped confession, Robin was like,
well, fuck.
But uh can I make a deal?
I have information on DoreenLevesque.
So Robin says that her, Carl, aman named Willie Smith, had all

(57:32):
been in Carl's car together whenthey picked up Doreen.
This was before Doreen, she wasthe first one that was found.
So, like Robin, Doreen alsohadn't been working for a pimp.
And Carl was trying to get herto work for him.
Doreen was like, No, I'm good.

(57:53):
And this pissed Carl off, and hetold her that Satan always got
what was due to him.
And then he proceeded to slapher.
Her mouth was now bleeding andshe was crying.
So Carl was like, well, now whatdo you say?
And she still said, No, I'm notgonna work for you.

(58:14):
So this was when Carl would pullup behind the bleachers of the
vacational high school.
Robin says that Carl and Willietook Doreen away and then came
back 10 minutes later withouther, but had her shoes in hand.
And this was the satanic ritualpart of it.

(58:37):
Um, so you keep something thatbelongs to the person that you
were sacrificing to Satan.
You keep something that's onthem.

SPEAKER_04 (58:44):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like all this is just
charismatic young kids.

SPEAKER_05 (58:49):
All these people are very young.

SPEAKER_04 (58:51):
That are trying to push it very for a come up.
Right.
I feel like they're just gonnapush it to the to the whatever
end and use whatever they can tomake it happen.

SPEAKER_05 (59:02):
Robin then proceeds to tell them in detail what
happened the night Karen waskilled.
She said that her and Karen wentto go see her son, Karen's son,
who was in foster care, and thenCarol Fletcher came and picked
them up.
Then they went to find Carl's uhCarol's boyfriend, which was

(59:22):
another Carl named Carl Davis,and uh he was also a pimp, and
he happened to be hanging outwith Carl Drew.
So we got Carl and Carl hangingout.
They all they all get in thecar.
There's too many pimps here.
Yeah, there well, we got twopimps and three sex workers in
the same car.
Here we go.
They uh they get in the car, andum Carol began to drive over to

(59:47):
Westport.
They drive down a dark road.
Carol then turns off theignition, and Carl Drew tells
Karen your time has come.
You talk to the police, and Itold you not to.
So Karen actually tells him thatshe's not afraid of him and that

(01:00:09):
God will save her, to which heresponded, God can't help you.
The only one here is Satan.
So Robin says that Carl madeher, made her, as in Robin, drag
Karen by her hair and um hit heruntil she drew blood, and then

(01:00:30):
dragged her by her neck to aclearing.
And then the whole crew,everybody in the car, stone her
until she was barely conscious.
Then Carl Drew, remember there'stwo Carls, so Carl Drew cut off
her hand.

(01:00:51):
And Robin says that Carl orderedher to sexually assault Karen.
So they beat her, they've stonedher, they've cut off her hand.
Now he's have uh Carl is havingRobin sexually assault her.
And then Carl cut her throat andremoved her head.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:13):
Which goes back to what I was just saying about the
fucking religion thing ofSatanism.
It's horrific.
I mean you you're you're I'm noteven done.
But you're you're you're tryingto use that as something for
your for murder.
For murder.
And you're just using it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:33):
For the for the power play in the underworld of
sex trafficking, basicbasically, yeah.
So then he told Robin to pullout her hair, and they literally
played soccer with her head.
What?
They kicked it around.
Lindsay.
Carl then carved a large X onKaren's torso while chanting and

(01:01:59):
offering her soul to Satan.
He took some of Karen's bloodand put a bloody X on Robin's
forehead and said, Now, you'reone of us.
After this, after thisconfession, this is Robin's
story to the detectives, okay?
All of this that I just read.
So Carl was arrested, and sincehe was locked up, or after he

(01:02:24):
got locked up, more witnesseswould come forward with
information because they were nolonger scared of him.
Like he was a very intimidatingpresence on Bedford Street.
He was King Penn, like I said.
Well, Andy Maltese would besentenced to life after Robin
said that he killed Barbara.
Now he died in prison not toolong after in 1987 after

(01:02:47):
suffering from several strokes.
Because he was he was already anolder man.
He was a nasty, dirty old man.
Carl Drew, he swore up and downthat he was never a Satanist and
knew nothing about cult rituals.
But due to Robin's story andsaying that he killed Doreen

(01:03:09):
Levesque, he was also given alife sentence.
Now Willie Smith, who was in thecar that night with Doreen, he
would never be charged withanything because Robin decided
to change her story right beforehis trial and said, you know
what?
I actually wasn't there.
Karen was.
Karen was.

(01:03:30):
And this was Karen's version ofthe story.

unknown (01:03:33):
Wow.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:34):
Who and Karen is dead.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:39):
It don't work.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:40):
Now, so Willie, he he was able to go, he was able
to go free.
Now Robin went to prison as wellfor participation in the
murders.
But guess what?
After Andy, Carl, and Robin allget locked up, the satanic cult
just disappeared.
Poof, gone.
Out of Fall River, bye.

(01:04:01):
Bye.
Right.
Now in 2004, Robin was up forparole.
And she tells the parole boardthat she made everything up.
That it was Karen Marsden whohad told her that Carl Drew had
killed some people.
And Robin used this to fabricatean entire story to get him off

(01:04:25):
the streets.
Because they were incompetition.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:28):
That sounds fucking accurate.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:30):
Now, Robin, after saying that, was granted parole,
but Carl remains in prison andhas exhausted all of his
appeals.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:40):
Yeah, you're done.
You're done.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:42):
Now, uh, Robin, she went back to prison not too long
after for violating parole bybeing associated with an
ex-convict and was denied anyother chance at parole.
So Andy died, Carl and Robinstill in prison.
Well to this day.
Now I don't know.
I I I like I said, I okay, sothere is a docuseries about this

(01:05:06):
and all this events where I gotmy information from on MGM Plus,
and it's called Fall River.
And uh it's wild.
It's wild.
Like, because the person thatCarl Drew is now, it's hard to
imagine him being the personthat he was back then.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:28):
Well, like he's you know, they're master
manipulators.
Either way, they're relators,whatever narrative they can.
Street smart, religion, whateverthey can.
They're gonna bring up the mosthorrific things and they're
gonna bring up the best amazingthings at the same time.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:44):
And there's a whole lot of uh Massachusetts accent
on there.
I love it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:52):
Oh, wicked good.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:54):
Wicked good.
Yeah, yeah.
So I had this on, like I said, Ihad this on my list for some
time, but I kind of mad atmyself that I didn't cover this
while we were there, too.
Like we could have.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:08):
Fall River's had enough though, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:10):
Oh yeah, Fall River.
Fuck.
We love you.
You're beautiful, Area.
Beautiful.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:15):
Yes, but horrific moments in time, in history.
I mean, you know, we couldprobably find so much more, but
like whoa! To just intelligentpeople using whatever narrative
they can in religion, inhumanity, just to justify.

(01:06:36):
They were all young.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:37):
I think they were just all playing at some
horrificness.
I mean, honestly.
And they were trying to makemoney, and and you know, so you
got Carl and you got Rob, andthey're manipulative, and then
you got Andy, he's a dirty oldman who's been at this for a
long time.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:54):
Yeah, he knows the game.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:57):
And then you got all these poor sex workers who are
just trying to survive.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:01):
That's where that's where it comes in, like, okay,
you got an older head that'sjust like, I'm gonna teach you
how to do all these so you canmake money.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:07):
Carl was in his 20s, yeah.
So he wasn't that old either.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:10):
Yeah, but somebody there was there was older folks
somewhere.
We don't know about him yet.
We don't know about him.
Lindsay.
We don't know about him, butthere's fucking people plugging
in that to build all that.
There's there's other there'sother fuckeries in the fuckery,
and they taught all them to useall this.

(01:07:31):
You know, they're young,impressionable people.
It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:35):
These are three absolutely horrific murders.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:39):
Murders, fucking full on.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:41):
And we don't really know who did them.
I do believe that I mean, Ireally believe that Andy killed
Barbara because he had thesupposed dream.
Then he now was supposedly foundJesus and had a Bible every time
he entered the police precinctor talked to the police, he had

(01:08:02):
a Bible in hand.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:03):
Yeah, and with a rock that turned into a center
block, right?
Right.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:08):
And he was supposedly hovering over her,
and she was calling his name,even though she was dating a
whole different dude, which atthe same time, David, why the
fuck didn't you report hermissing?
Why did Andy?
You know why?
Because Andy fucking killed her.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:23):
Yeah, my dream has been a confession.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:25):
Right.
But if Robin Murphy, and I'msorry to be insufferable as a
17-year-old, did kill theseother two girls in that horrific
manner, that's a scary humanbeing.
Scary.
Scary as fuck.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:43):
And they were scared of her.
In in the middle of all thisthat's just trying to push
something horrific, I feel like.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:50):
So in the documentary, they literally talk
about like grown men were afraidof Robin Murphy as a
17-year-old.
She would fight grown men, whichmade me think of your sister.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:02):
Yeah, no, balls to the walls, right?

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:04):
Balls to the walls, which literally made me think of
Shelly because I've I you havetold me about it.
I've seen Shelly drop a dude.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:13):
Oh 250-pound man right on the sidewalk, right on
his fucking head.

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:19):
And she was a cute chick, man.
You have to watch thedocumentary.
You got and I want, if we can,if you would be interested in
watching this.
Let's do this.
Because I did sign up for theMGM free trial, so we might as
well take advantage.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:33):
We're down.
We're down.
We're finna watch that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:35):
And that we we can we can hear that fucking accent
that we like too.
Yeah.
Wicked.
Fall river.
Fall river.
Full river.
So this is kind of unsolved,really, because but we know.
There's fingers pointing.
Yeah, I do believe 100% believethat Andy was responsible for
Barbara, but the other two, whoknows?

(01:09:58):
So that wraps up my coverage onthe Fall River cult.
Fall River?
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:05):
Well, fucking I thank you for sharing so many
things.
Horrific things on Fall River.
And we're back to Fall River!Holy shit.
I was in the plant most of thetime.
And I want to go back to theplant.
Can I go back to the plant?

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:26):
I want to go back to she's thriving over there, man.
She's growing tall.
Yes.
Yeah.
She's she's like starting to getinto the blinds and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:33):
She's hanging out.
I'm ready for some like morebloomage.
I know.
Every once in a while it'll comeup with this crazy cool bloom.
It's beautiful.
Thank you for that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:41):
And it fell off and now it's in the pot.
But I'm like, okay, maybe someseedlings.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:46):
It'll make you want it to grow.

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:48):
We'll flower into the pot.
Yeah.
I haven't not I'm not quite agreen thumb.
I'm getting there.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:55):
Yeah.
Kind of a like off opaque, likebland kind of green.
Fucking not really, not reallygreen, but you know, you know.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:03):
Yeah, I'm a light, I'm a light green thumb.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:05):
No tom green over here, but yeah.
Whatever green you want to be.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:09):
Yes, the lightest shade of green thumb.
A lightest shade of green.
I have revived snake plant.
I have spliced a wandering Jew.
I have kept my Christmas cactusalive.
I've kept these peace liliesalive.
I've kept some succulents alive.
I got a whole succulent gardengoing over here.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:29):
These are blooming over here.
Yeah.
You want to put rocks in yoursucculents.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:32):
Yes, I need to put rocks in the succulents when
they get a little, a littletaller.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:36):
Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:37):
Because they wish they was a baller.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:39):
So that's the whole thing.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:41):
The whole thing.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:42):
I mean, that was a lot.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:43):
That was a lot.
A lot of information.
A lot of youngins that havepower and little baby.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:49):
I mean, I'm sorry, but under 25, I consider you a
baby.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:53):
Yeah, that much Moxie.
If we can say Moxie, if you knowwhat Moxie is.
What's that?
Like the charisma of pushing awhole fucking thing toward a
come up.
Like, I got the balls to belike, I want to push this no
matter what it is.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:10):
Well, you had a power struggle between Carl and
Robin.
Yes.
Then you got this old dirty man.
Old dirty nasty.

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:17):
Old dirty bastard.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:18):
Pedophilic man.
Yes.
Um ODB.
And they were all key playershere.

unknown (01:12:25):
Ugh.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:26):
But with all that being said, what band are you
going to plug today for us,Jesse?

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:31):
I have a really cool band from Canadia.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:34):
Canadia?

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:35):
Canadia.
Canada.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:37):
Send me some maple syrup.

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:38):
I know.
I just heard that you know theremight be some things moving from
Canada over here.
I like Crown Royal.
Oh, okay.
But I I I love Crown Royal.
I know.
I love Canadian whiskey.
It's one of my favorites.
One of my fucking favorites.
This is for all the emptinessfrom Canada.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:58):
That's the name of the band?
Yes.
From all is it for all theemptiness.
Okay.
I'm gonna go ahead and followthem.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:04):
Yes.
And this song is called Sell theSins, Lindsay.
Isn't that fucking?
I did not plan it, I swear.

SPEAKER_05 (01:13:13):
I know you didn't.
Because you had no, I didn'twhat what so Jesse will print
out my script and usually he'llsee the title, but I just put
initials for the title on thisone so he wouldn't know at all.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:23):
So yes, sell the sins from for all the emptiness.
Check this shit out.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:31):
Sell the same of the sins.
Convince them that they are old.
Make them one with the guy.
Convince the world.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:08):
Lindsay.
That was so fun.

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:13):
Wasn't it?
It was just joking.
Amazing.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:17):
They reminded me of Electric Cowboy.

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:19):
Yeah.
It was just like Pit Shifter orProdigy or something like that.
That's what I'm saying.
Electric Cowboy was what Ithought of.
Yes.
Really cool band.
I love it.
Really cool music.
Either way, I love it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:34):
I follow, I went ahead and followed them on
Spotify because that's theplatform that I use.
So on uh Instagram for all theemptiness, um, they are
described as a Canadian darkwave music.
And that's that's it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:52):
I love it.
I love it so much.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:54):
Coming back.
Love it.
We had a blast with them.
We were joking and joking andjugging and joking.

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:59):
Yes.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:59):
And I want to watch some of their videos just
because I want to see like theirmannerisms in their videos and
stuff.

SPEAKER_04 (01:18:04):
Yeah.
It's so fun.
Love it.
Love the sound.
Support them.
Love it.
Support it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:10):
Yeah, support the bands.
Um, and if you want to supportus, it doesn't cost you a thing.
All you need to do is like,subscribe, review, share, uh,
comment.
Give us, yeah, give us some uhfeedback, some interaction.
We totally appreciate that.
So our next episode will air onBlack Friday.

(01:18:34):
So we want to go ahead and tellyou happy Thanksgiving.
Yeah.
We hope if you don't eat turkey,if you don't eat ham, if you
don't eat meat, enjoy whateverit is you're going to enjoy that
day.
If you don't celebrateThanksgiving, we support that
too.
So whatever.
Yes.
Um, we're gonna have some turkeyand some ham and some green bean

(01:18:57):
castor, we're gonna do all thetraditional shit.
We're gonna give thanks.
We're gonna give thanks topeople that we need to thank.
Yes, we're gonna have a littlefamily day.
And then by the episode by thetime our next episode airs,
Jesse and I will be Christmasshopping.

SPEAKER_04 (01:19:15):
Doing the things.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:16):
It's gonna look a lot like Christmas.
And we're gonna have um, we'regonna, we're about to enjoy some
Christmas tree little Debbiecakes.
Ooh.
But before that, I'm gonna takea sip of those drinks.

SPEAKER_04 (01:19:33):
We're gonna do the things.
I want you to see that on oursocials.
I think we need to do that onour socials.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:39):
Oh yeah.
Oh, yeah.
We're gonna we're gonna recapand recap, and we're gonna have
another episode out, and then wewill be taking a break because I
do have a very busy week umduring the Thanksgiving time
period.
Do you know?
I do.
We do.
We both but we will uh we'llrecap the following, the next

(01:20:02):
episode that's gonna come outafter this one.
And we'll we'll recap our littleBlack Friday day.
And we're gonna go watch Wickedthat day.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe all the fun stuff.
Maybe go to Chili's and get somewicked margaritas.
Wicked Markets.
I don't know.
We'll see.
We'll see what the day holds,but we'll recap it.

(01:20:23):
We will let you know whathappened and we'll give you our
little review on Wicked.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:27):
Yeah.
By the way, like Wicked issomething they use a lot in the
New England area, which iswicked.
Wicked crazy.

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:35):
Wicked crazy.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:36):
Wicked crazy stories, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:38):
I know.
So I hope you enjoyed this.
And uh, we forgot to talk aboutthis at the beginning, but if
this is your first time,welcome.
Yeah.
What we do is we have a coupleof drinks, we talk about true
crime.
Jesse doesn't know about it.
Yeah.
Jesse is always oblivious, andhe plugs an incredible band at

(01:20:59):
the end that we do havepermission to play.
And uh that's what we do.
That's pretty much it.
We're gonna wrap it up.
Make sure you follow us.
Like, subscribe, drink aboutsomething outside.
Follow us on our personals,Jesse Stanba, Lindsay Stanby.

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:14):
All the stuff, dude.
We want to see you oneverything.

SPEAKER_05 (01:21:18):
Come and share and do the things.
Follow us on YouTube.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:21:22):
Yes.
Hit us up.
We love you so much.
Thank you for continuing tolisten to our people that have
been here since the beginning.

unknown (01:21:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:21:30):
We're so grateful.
We love you.

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:32):
I send some stuff to our number one fan.

SPEAKER_05 (01:21:34):
Yes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:36):
So hopefully she gets that soon.
And that's awesome.
Thank you for sharing.

SPEAKER_05 (01:21:41):
And I mean, like, so much.
Thank you for all the support.
We could not be more gratefulfor our little fun hobby here
that we do eventually want tomake a career out of.

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:52):
Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna find another number
one fan soon.
And I'll send some stuff to youtoo.
Yes.
That's what I've been promising,and I've fulfilled that part.
You sure have.
Yeah, it's on the way.
So keep on sharing.
Keep on sharing.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:22:06):
So make sure you check out our recap of this
episode on Wednesday and then abrand new episode next Friday,
which will be Black Friday.
Listen to us while you'reshopping.
And if you're not likephysically shopping, if you're
online and you're liketransitioning your house into
Christmas decor, plug us.
Yeah.
Put us in your headphones.

SPEAKER_04 (01:22:26):
We'll see you then, though.
Thank you so much.
We love you.
Bye.