EPISODE 58: Natalie Wood

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SPEAKER_03 (00:00):
Hey Jesse.
Hello, Miss Lindsay.
What are you having to drinktoday?
I have a mojito.

SPEAKER_02 (00:09):
You do.

SPEAKER_03 (00:10):
You helped me.
I did.
And we got something from thegarden and we put it in there.
And you know, I haven't tried ityet.

SPEAKER_02 (00:17):
Well, take a sip.

SPEAKER_03 (00:18):
Do I have to go?

SPEAKER_02 (00:18):
For our listeners.
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (00:20):
Hey listeners.

SPEAKER_02 (00:22):
Tell me how your mojito is.

SPEAKER_03 (00:24):
Yeah.
Do your own mojitos and let usknow if there's anything
different.
I mean how is it?
Wait a minute.
It's perfect.

SPEAKER_01 (00:32):
Is it?
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (00:34):
This is perfect.
It has all the pizzazz and allthe clean, just a nice, neat
drink.
It's amazing.
Though it's on the rocks.
And it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 (00:48):
So per our last episode, uh, Jesse wanted me to
pick a drink from our mixologychart.
And we are going to be coveringum mojitos is on there.
What was it saying?
Well, yes, it is.
Well, this week we're gonna bedrinking about a golden age
Hollywood actress.
So I was gonna go, I literallylooked up the popular drink in

(01:11):
that area, and one of them was aHarvey Wallbanger.
So I was like, Jesse, it's gotvodka in it, which I can take
because dark liquors I can't do.
And we went out on a missiontoday to find the other
ingredient, which is it's vodka,orange juice, and um Galeano.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33):
Mumbo Galliano.

SPEAKER_02 (01:35):
And uh our town doesn't carry it, but you have
to try it though, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:40):
Okay, it's so crisp.

SPEAKER_02 (01:41):
So hold on, let me try the mojito.

SPEAKER_03 (01:44):
This was this was what we settled for.

SPEAKER_02 (01:46):
Oh, it's very crisp.
Oh, shit.
Hold on.

SPEAKER_03 (01:52):
I feel like me and Lindsay's in our closet right
now and we're like, we're we'redrinking underage, like hiding
from shit.
Nice.
Yeah, that's what I really feellike.

SPEAKER_02 (02:01):
So anyway, we went out on a mission this morning.
Uh, we had to get we had to getsome things because we're we're
getting we're getting ready forour Thanksgiving uh family
events.
Now this will come out on BlackFriday.
So hey, happy Thanksgiving andwelcome to Black Friday.

SPEAKER_03 (02:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Keep the uh frustration andeverything down and just be cool
and do some amazing shopping andfind some badass deals.

SPEAKER_02 (02:29):
But the day that we're recording this, uh, yeah,
so we've been we've beenprepping our house for a lot of
guests that we're gonna haveThanksgiving Day.

SPEAKER_03 (02:38):
Yeah, and let us know how you do your family
stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (02:42):
But we our town doesn't carry Galeano.
No, they don't.
So Lindsay could not get herHarvey Wallbanger, but next pod,
we're gonna have it becausewe're going to Gainesville,
which is the nearest town thatcarries Galeano.

SPEAKER_03 (02:57):
Yeah, we're gonna find it.

SPEAKER_02 (02:58):
We're gonna get it so that I can make me a Harvey
Wallbanger.
So it's a one-week delay, but Istill got a cool ass drink over
here that's on the two-weekdelay, basically.
From that time, one week delayfrom the time that this comes
out, two weeks from the day thatwe went shopping.
Yeah, yeah.
I charged her with it.

SPEAKER_03 (03:15):
I was like, Lindsay, you need to do this.
You need to do something reallycool.
But this was really good.

SPEAKER_02 (03:19):
Jesse got him a uh mojito mixer, and then we got
some mint out of our garden.
It's so good.
And I muddled it for him.
And uh, I just tried his mojito.
I had to take two sits becauseit was good.
Listen, y'all.

SPEAKER_03 (03:33):
She was over there like, I'm muddling, baby.
I'm like, go ahead, baby.
I'm muddling, baby.
Go ahead, baby.
Go ahead, baby.
Okay, baby.

SPEAKER_02 (03:42):
But Jesse, you gotta ask me what I'm drinking.
What are you drinking overthere, Miss Lindsay?
So I've got in my cup, I have apeach vista bay.
And then I discovered theseprebiotic energy drinks at Aldi,
and they had a peach mango one,which you know I don't like
mango by itself, so it's peachmango, which I like together.

(04:05):
So I added it to the peach visto bae, and that's in my cup.

SPEAKER_03 (04:10):
Yeah, those are the the first drinks that I'm not
allowed to drink, but I'msupposed to drink some of them
because you're like, I don'tlike these.
But I like them, but you likethem together.

SPEAKER_02 (04:18):
Yeah, mango by itself, it's nay, mango with
peach together, amazing.
But I the for the ones that youwill always find put to the side
is the passion fruit.

SPEAKER_03 (04:28):
And I've been drinking that all day.
I know.
Here and there.
We've been cleaning, we've beenprepping, we've been getting
everything ready for the festiveThanksgiving, whatever the.

SPEAKER_02 (04:38):
But this will be a this this episode will air after
Thanksgiving.
So I hope you had a great one.
Yes, we did.
Enjoy your Black Friday.
Jesse and I will be spending theday shopping, and then we're
gonna watch Wicked for Good.

SPEAKER_03 (04:52):
Ooh, we pre-gamed on that one earlier.

SPEAKER_02 (04:55):
3D RPX, you and I in the recliner chairs with a big
ass bucket of popcorn and adrink.

SPEAKER_01 (05:04):
You and I should make a pack.
We will bring some wicked back.
Yes.
Just come on.
I'll be there.

SPEAKER_03 (05:20):
Fuck it, Lindsay.
Happy intro.
Yay! Oh my goodness, Lindsay.
I'm excited.
All the stores, all the things.
Christmas shopping.
We love to give.

(05:54):
Right?
I mean, look at her loadedJanice Joplin shirt over there.
You're looking so fucking fireright now.

SPEAKER_02 (06:00):
So if you watch our recap on YouTube, you'll be able
to see my uh Janice Joplinshirt.

SPEAKER_03 (06:05):
I love me some Janice Joplin.
Lindsay on 10 over here.
Look at you.
Hey, can I take you out on adate?

SPEAKER_02 (06:12):
I guess so.
Where are we gonna go?
We're gonna go to the kitchentable and eat some chili.

SPEAKER_03 (06:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (06:16):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (06:18):
Let's do that.
You have things and you want topuddle me on things.

SPEAKER_02 (06:23):
I do.
And this one is gonna be a real.
I want to see how many times youcan say, oh my god.
Is it gonna be a humdinger?
A humdinger?
Oh.
So, um, first of all though,yeah, I could ask you, what made
you feel old this week?

SPEAKER_03 (06:42):
Getting over the sickness made me feel old.
All the pills and things andwhatever to get by.
That kind of made me feel used,you know.
I used to just power throughthat shit because I don't like
medicine.
You know me.
I do not like medicine.

SPEAKER_02 (06:56):
Listen, Jesse's afraid to take too much
ibuprofen because he the lasttime I gave him some ibuprofen,
he didn't wake up on time forwork.

SPEAKER_03 (07:05):
Well, I just don't like it.
I don't like to like rely, I Ijust tough it out.
I don't know if that's just oldschool me or whatever.
And I just do it, you know, andyou're like, come on, dude.
I want you to feel better.
I'm like, I'll be all right.
Let me just die and then I'lllive again.
We live and die another day.
Whatever.

(07:26):
Lindsay always, she's alwaystaking something.
She's like, no, I want to feelgood right now.
Yeah, exactly.
Right now.

SPEAKER_02 (07:31):
And I mean, I don't take just anything.
Like, I have my mitol, I have myibuprofen, and then we have both
been battling a cold this week.
So we've been day quilling, andJesse's on musinex.
Musinex makes me cough a lot.
I know that that's a good thing.
You're supposed to hack it allout.
But at the same time, I want tosuppress mine.

(07:52):
So I take the day quill.
But I did take the musinex PMlast night, and I slept really
well.

SPEAKER_03 (07:58):
So did I.
So I'm gonna take it againtonight.
You know, we got up and wekicked ass and cleaned all day.
I was not fucking worn out.
I got good sleep.
Yeah.
As you have heard, anybody thatlistens consecutively, we have
been sick for like two weeksnow.

SPEAKER_02 (08:10):
So it's and um I got so my coworker, she's been
telling me about this for a fewyears.
Um, is called it's like aChristopher's formula that you
it's like a natural antibiotic.
So I ordered us some of those.
We've been taking those.
I think we have it beat.
Yeah, I think it helped.
For the most part.

(08:31):
We're on the we're we're overthe hump.
We're on the good side.
We want to be completely betterbefore we go out in the public
for Black Friday shopping, whichwe will be doing as you listen
to this episode.
So, with all that being said,what made me feel old this week
is your turn, and I did share itin our stories already, but

(08:54):
there was a TikTok that I foundof a collaboration of songs that
are turning 35 this year.

SPEAKER_03 (09:02):
And I realized that 30, but 35.

SPEAKER_02 (09:05):
35.
And all those songs are stillthey're younger than us.

SPEAKER_03 (09:10):
Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (09:12):
And that was that was a weird realization.

SPEAKER_03 (09:15):
What was some of the songs?

SPEAKER_02 (09:17):
Um, your unbelievable um.
And that's the only one I canremember.
I shared it to you.

unknown (09:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (09:28):
Do you remember?

SPEAKER_03 (09:29):
No, but I remember you sharing it.
It was just like, I did watchit, and every one of them made
me feel old too.
So you're right.
You're definitely right.
35 though.
30 is okay.
No, not really, but still.
35 years old?

(09:52):
Yes.
All right, there's one.
We'll just let it play.
We can't put that on here.
Can we?

SPEAKER_02 (09:58):
Yeah, it is.
It's less than a few seconds.

SPEAKER_03 (10:00):
Oh, yeah?

SPEAKER_02 (10:01):
Yeah.
Oh my god, Madonna.

SPEAKER_03 (10:05):
Madonna.

SPEAKER_02 (10:06):
Vogue.

SPEAKER_03 (10:08):
Vogue.

SPEAKER_01 (10:09):
Come on.
Vogue.

SPEAKER_03 (10:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (10:12):
Let your body move to the music.

SPEAKER_02 (10:17):
Oh god.
Janet Jackson.

SPEAKER_03 (10:20):
Who is the goat?
Escapade.
Janet was hot.
I mean, everybody was justfired.

SPEAKER_02 (10:26):
Well, you had Michael, you had Janet, you had
Madonna, you had Duran Duran.

SPEAKER_03 (10:31):
Is there Billy Joel or who else?
George Michael.

SPEAKER_02 (10:33):
George Michael is on this.
Yes.
Oh.
Oh my God.
Well, there it is.

SPEAKER_01 (10:40):
Freo.
Freeho.

SPEAKER_03 (10:46):
Senate O'Connor.
You hear it.
You hear it.
We were talking about that for awhile.

SPEAKER_01 (10:50):
Guess what?
He told me.

SPEAKER_03 (10:52):
Her shaving her hair and just being like iconic.
That was so beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 (10:57):
But he's a fool.
Nothing compared.

SPEAKER_02 (11:02):
He's going to switch here in a second.

SPEAKER_01 (11:04):
Nothing compared to.

SPEAKER_02 (11:07):
Alright, that was it.

SPEAKER_01 (11:09):
Oh my god.
So all those songs.

SPEAKER_02 (11:12):
Yeah.
All those songs are uh 35 yearsold this year.
Dude, I want to like And we're43.

SPEAKER_03 (11:19):
Okay, I want to jam every one of those songs after
this, though.
Just celebrate our oldness.
Celebrate your oldness with us.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (11:26):
Yes.
So that's the end of that.
Okay.
Like I said before, this week weare drinking about a golden age
Hollywood actress, and her nameis Natalie Wood.

SPEAKER_03 (11:38):
Natalie Wood.
What Lindsay does though, reallyhonestly, she tells these
stories, and I don't knowanything about them.
And and I don't know anythingabout Natalie Wood.
I thought it was like one of theDixie chicks at first, but
that's not.

SPEAKER_02 (11:50):
No, that's Natalie Maynes, too.
Natalie Maines, yeah.
That's that's my girl.
I love her.
Okay.
So, real quick, we're gonna umplug all of our uh socials real
quick before we get started.
So follow us.
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(12:14):
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It would really help us out.

SPEAKER_03 (12:32):
And you know, I was thinking, I was like, is this
something typical that people doin all podcasts?
They really do.
Even the millionaire podcaststhat have millions of followers
and everything, they they plugthis same.

SPEAKER_01 (12:45):
Every time I just want to say, you can ring my
bell.
You can ring my bell.

SPEAKER_03 (12:53):
That's the little like the little icon that I've
just discovered.

SPEAKER_01 (12:56):
I didn't know it was even there.

SPEAKER_03 (12:57):
Yeah.
And now that makes me feel old.
Whoa.

SPEAKER_02 (13:01):
Yeah, Jesse's a little boomery, and when it
comes, I'm like, what's soclose?

SPEAKER_03 (13:05):
What's a bell?
Okay, so you hit the bell, andlike you can there, you get
notifications and you'refollowing and you're doing the
thing.

SPEAKER_02 (13:10):
So that's really drink about something.
I do post every week um photosand links.

SPEAKER_03 (13:20):
You get the goods on Instagram, you get the goods on
YouTube, you get the goods onjust the website.
There's some goods.

SPEAKER_02 (13:26):
Well, on the stories, I always post uh photos
of the parties that are involvedin our cases.
And I will plug the audio bookor the documentary that I
watched uh for information onthe case.
And then we also plug the bandat the end that we uh that we
share at the end that Jesse hasgotten permission to play.

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So make sure that you we we weknow we watch, we see the stats,
we know y'all are listening andwe love you.
Just we need you to do a littlejust a teeny bit of extra work.
It's free.

SPEAKER_03 (14:00):
We had a comment from one of my old besties the
other day.
I love it.
Oh, Todd.
I love Todd.
We got I want him over here.
And he he he mentioned somethingthe other day.
I was like, let's do a podcastabout it.
He's like, no, y'all do apodcast about it.

SPEAKER_02 (14:12):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (14:13):
So look at that.
We're gonna do a podcast aboutit and then tag Todd in it.
Love it.

SPEAKER_02 (14:17):
And um, our number one fan, Mary, we she got our
merch that we sent her and sheshared us last week.
And we we love you, Mary.
We love you so much, and we hopeyou enjoy your merch and keep
listening.
All of our love.
Yes, we love you so much.
So we're gonna get started.
So, Natalie Wood, um, shestarted out as a child star, and

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she was little Susan Walker inthe original Miracle on 34th
Street.

SPEAKER_03 (14:44):
I mean, are you kidding me right now?
An angel gets his wings.
Every time you ring a bell, anangel gets his wings right now.
An angel gets his wings, right?

SPEAKER_02 (14:51):
So that's one of Jesse and I.
So cute.
Yeah, we always watch theoriginal with um, you know, the
black and white, and then wealso watched the 90s version.
Virgin, the 90s version that haslittle uh Matilda in it.
God, I can never remember herreal name.
But we also watched her, Jesseand I did a Robin Williams night

(15:12):
last night.
We watched Hook and we watchedMrs.
Doubtfire.
And she's yeah, she's thislittle girl.
Oh my god, I'm gonna look her upreally quick because I gotta
know her name too.

SPEAKER_03 (15:23):
DNA.
We had to get a DNA.
We watched Hook and then wewatched Mrs.
Doubtfire, and I was like,Silas, you need to know this
house right here.
And then we talked about theMcAllister house.
We talked about some houses, youknow.
It was like, you need to knowthis house.
And this house is in SanFrancisco, and this is such an
iconic Mara Wilson.

SPEAKER_02 (15:40):
Mara Wilson.
So she played and y'all will.
I mean, if you if you're amillennial, especially, you'll
know her from Miracle on 34thStreet, Mrs.
Doubtfire, uh, Matilda.
She was a very prominent childstar in our growing up.
In your heart.
And you know what's crazy is,you know, she went through a lot
of shit the same as Natalie Woodwill, but uh, we're we're gonna

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continue.
So Maria also played in the, notMaria, sorry.
Natalie Wood played Maria in the1961 musical West Side Story,
which has also been remade andupdated.
I introduced Jesse to that lastyear, I think it was West Side
Story.
It's a good movie.
Yeah.
It's a good musical, but we needto watch the original.

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I mean, you remind me of a WestSide Story.
And she also played Gypsy RoseLee in the movie Gypsy, and that
is who Gypsy Rose Blanchard isnamed after.
So, like that, there's gonna bea lot of this is making me giddy
over here.

SPEAKER_03 (16:42):
What?

SPEAKER_02 (16:42):
Yeah, so she played so Nellie Wood had a very
extensive career, okay?
She was a very big deal amongmovie stars, and her fame came
to be because her mother, Maria,was just a little nuts.
Uh, it there's gonna be so manyuh ironic coincidences in this

(17:04):
story.
It's it's gonna blow your mind.

SPEAKER_03 (17:06):
I'm already already on on like 10 right now.

SPEAKER_02 (17:10):
So I want to see if you can pick them out.
Like, like I said, alreadythere's one.
Her mother's name was Maria, andthen she played Maria.
Okay.
So it's Maria Maria.
Yeah.
We're gonna talk about Maria tobegin with.
So Maria, I'm so sorry, this isRussian, so I'm gonna struggle.

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Zoudilova.
Zoudilova was born in Russia,and she was of Russian and
Ukrainian descent.
And her and her family had hadto flee to China during the
Russian Civil War, and they wererefugees in Hardin.

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Now, Maria, she would marry anArmenian mechanic named
Alexander Tatulov.

SPEAKER_03 (18:03):
If it's not right, Lindsay, I swear to God.
I'm kidding.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (18:06):
So it's Alexander Tatulov, uh, but he went by
Alexi.
You know that that's a verypopular Russian name.

SPEAKER_03 (18:14):
This is awesome.
I love global stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (18:16):
And they had a daughter together named Olga,
and they would move to Americain 1930.
Now they uh Alexi and Maria theydivorced when Olga was six years
old, and then she would getremarried to a man named
Nicholas Zacharinko.

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And then Natalie would be bornNatalia Nicolavino Lindsay now,
come on.
Hold on, give me a second.
Okay, Natalia Natalia NicolavinaZacharin Zacharin Zacharinko in

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San Francisco on July 20th,1938.
And her nickname would beNatasha.

SPEAKER_03 (19:10):
I just feel like you just slayed a dragon right now.

SPEAKER_02 (19:12):
I did slay such a dragon.
Oh my god.
And she would later on have alittle sister named Svetlana,
who would also be an actressnamed Lana Wood.
So yeah, and I'll I'll get tohow they, you know, got their
names.
So Maria, she had wanted to be aballet dancer and an actress,

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but since she wasn't able to dothose things, she made sure that
her daughters would aspire to begreat.
She she pushed them into it.
Wow.
So before her daughters wereborn, a gypsy now.
I told you before, and Natalieplayed in the film Gypsy.

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A gypsy had told her that hersecondborn daughter would be a
star known all over the world.
And uh the gypsy also told herto be careful while swimming
because she had seen to into thefuture, and the future was her,
Maria, drowning in dark water.

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Wow.
And you know, that had to beterrifying because Maria
traveled from China to Vancouveron a ship.
Yeah, so she was a refugee inChina, had to come over here to
Vancouver on a ship, and thenshe, you know, came to
California.

SPEAKER_03 (20:40):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (20:41):
So not only was Maria terrified of dark water,
she would make her girlsterrified of it as well.
When Maria got to San Francisco,she would watch movies
constantly to the point where,like, she was like, you know
what, I gotta, I gotta get a jobto support my movie go and have

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it.
So she became an uh an usheressat a movie theater so that she
could always be able to watchthese movies.
Now, Olga, she would take balletand piano lessons, but Maria
focused hard on Natalie becomingstar.
You know, she was the secondbornchild that the gypsy had told

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her would be a star.

SPEAKER_03 (21:26):
I love all this so far.
I mean, they got away from butat the same time, a lot of
things now.

SPEAKER_02 (21:33):
I mean, I mean, just saying, so far Maria is making
her kids live out her dreams,and that's not cool.

SPEAKER_03 (21:39):
Not pushing it.
No, don't push it, you know.
I mean, I get that those whocan't teach, but you teach, you
don't push.
You know, you're just like,okay, well, you can try this and
let them build from it, right?
Right.
And then that's it.
Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna keepgoing.
You gotta let them fly on theirown, however they want to.
I mean, I love it still so far.
It seems healthy.

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I don't know how she's pushingit.
No, maybe not.
I'm maybe I'm just overstepping.

SPEAKER_02 (22:05):
I'm uh verociously shaking my head now.
Oh, okay, okay.
Um so uh Natalie started balletat three, and Maria would take
her to the movies constantly,like as a way to train her.

SPEAKER_03 (22:21):
Oh, so now you're getting into the disgusting side
that you're okay.

SPEAKER_02 (22:25):
So she would also dress her up like really cute
and parade her around movie setsuntil she got discovered.
And she did get discovered atfour years old by William Goats
and David Lewis.
They told Maria that uh Nataliaat the time needed an

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Americanized stage name.
So Maria came up with NatalieWood.
Yeah.
And Wood was from a directornamed Sam Wood.
Like Maria did her homework onall like uh every part of a
production of the movie.

SPEAKER_03 (23:03):
But it's unhealthy, dude.
Very unhealthy.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (23:06):
So she started out with small parts and
commercials, and then IrvingPitchell discovered her, and he
got her the big parts.
Now, Maria would make sure thatNatalie was pleasing, well
behaved, and Natalie was so muchso that Irving wanted to adopt
her.

unknown (23:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (23:28):
That's kind of strange.
That's kind of strange.
But Maria was like, no, uh,we're not gonna do that.
And but at the same time, thiscould all be a made-up story
because Maria liked uh to dothings that made her and her
children seem more important ormore amazing than they already

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were.
She had uh what we would calldelusions of grandeur, things
like that.
Now, for the movie Tomorrow isforever, Natalie got the part
for that, and uh, she would needto learn how to cry on cue.
So Maria would tell her, youknow what?

(24:09):
Uh think about our family dogdying.
Trauma.

SPEAKER_04 (24:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (24:16):
And then Maria would also take a butterfly that was
like in a jar for one of thesets, and she literally just
ripped the wings off thisbutterfly to get Natalie to cry.
No, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (24:32):
Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_02 (24:34):
Come on now.
Yeah, she wanted to get themwaterworks going.

SPEAKER_03 (24:36):
So she That's like, okay, that's like silver screen
amazingness going on right now.
And you're doing it sounhealthy.

SPEAKER_02 (24:43):
And there's a lot of just makes you think about you
know, just listening to, I'mgonna plug the book at the end
that I listened to for thiscase, but just listening to
everything that Maria putNatalie through just made me
really feel sorry for the restof the child stars that we grew

(25:04):
up watching, like Macaulay Cokenand oh god, I'd have already
forgotten her name.
Fuck from Matilda and you know,all these child stars, because
we know now that they're older,that they really went through a
lot of shit as they wereyounger.

SPEAKER_03 (25:21):
The unhealthy push.
That's really cool.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (25:25):
Now, one of uh Natalie's old child co-stars
said that Maria did not like herhanging out with other kids.
She wanted her to be aroundadults the most.
That's unhealthy too.
Like, you gotta, oh god, Maria'sjust really crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (25:47):
Wow.

SPEAKER_02 (25:48):
Now, Natalie did so well in a movie called Tomorrow
is Forever that she got acontract with 20th Century Fox
and went on to star in movieslike Miracle on 34th Street, uh,
The Ghost and Mrs.
Muir, The Bride Who Wore Boots,and several others.

(26:09):
And when she was working onMiracle, she was also in like
three other movies at the sametime.
Imagine that.

SPEAKER_03 (26:20):
Pushing all of them.
Imagine you're a little kid on achild, under five.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (26:25):
And you were literally trying to work.
Oh, well, I'm sorry, I don'twant to say under five.
I think it was under eight.
She was between she was betweenfive and eight when all these
were.
Yeah.
So it was total identity crisis.
She would literally she wasliterally on the set of three
different movies, or sorry, fourdifferent movies at the same

(26:47):
time.

SPEAKER_03 (26:48):
Four.
I couldn't do one.

SPEAKER_02 (26:50):
No, as an adult.
Right.
So Maria had all these crazysuperstitions, and it was the
those superstitions were alwaysin Natalie's head, you know, as
well as like Maria had pushedthe fear of dark water on her,
you know.
So not only is she playing inall these movies, pretending to

(27:14):
be a bunch of different kids, abunch of different people, she's
got all these superstitions andall these fears that are in her
head, like all at the same time.
Okay.
Now, when she got in her teenageyears, Maria would scare her
about sex by saying that she wasso small, because Natalie was

(27:35):
like a very petite, very petitegirl.
She Maria would tell her thatshe was smoke so small that if
she had sex with a well-endowedman, his penis would puncture
her insides.
And if she ever got pregnant,she would die.

SPEAKER_03 (27:50):
I'm over here looking at you right now.

SPEAKER_02 (27:51):
Like Yeah.
Maria was a nightmare.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (27:56):
She doesn't remind me of West Side story.
Not that one.
No, she's not growing up inSpanish or something.

SPEAKER_02 (28:02):
What's crazy is uh Natalie played the part of
Maria, but she did not do thesinging.
Yeah.
So you haven't watched theoriginal Res Side story.
I have.
No, I haven't.
You watched the Ma the newerversion of it, which is really
good.
But mom, mom, mom.

SPEAKER_03 (28:19):
Mm-hmm.
Quit trying to fucking make mewhatever you want to make me and
putting me in fear and making mefear my life and not be a
regular human child.
You've stripped, you'restripping away my livelihood,
mom.

SPEAKER_02 (28:35):
Now, from four years old, Natalie was bringing in the
dough for her whole family.
And she didn't realize that.
She just knew that she got aspecial prize after each movie
was made.
Like she got a telescope and atypewriter and things like that.
Now she started acting in 1943.
So please remember that number,okay?

(28:55):
Because I'm going to talk aboutit again later.

SPEAKER_03 (28:57):
1943.
I will do my best.
I'm not sure if alcohol, I don'tknow, but Lindsay, I'm I'm I'll
do my best.
I know we're 43, so hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (29:08):
And she was making around$800 a week at the
beginning of her contract andwas making$3,300 a week by the
eighth year.
That is$43,000 in today's money.
What?
The spending power.

SPEAKER_03 (29:24):
Not even to talk about all the royalties.
Right.
The royalties.

SPEAKER_02 (29:29):
Now, Maria, she was the pusher, and she even said,
God made Natalie, but I inventedher.

unknown (29:37):
Oh.

SPEAKER_03 (29:38):
Her ma.

unknown (29:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (29:39):
So now we're just being completely disgusting.

SPEAKER_02 (29:43):
But at the same time, like Natalie was super
talented.
Like, you know, she it it actingcame very easy to her.
And a lot of child stars don'tcontinue to act out of
childhood, but Natalie did.
She even co-starred with JamesDean in Rebel Without a Cause.

(30:04):
What?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (30:06):
I feel like though, there's only so much juice you
can get from the character.

SPEAKER_02 (30:09):
Now I haven't watched that movie in like, I
want to say 25 years.
We need to rewatch that becausethat's a good film.
Yeah.
Rebel Without a Cause.
Yeah.
She was Hollywood's it girl inthat time period.
Like Natalie Wood was the tits.
And um when she was 15, this iskind of cringe.

(30:32):
She caught the eye of FrankSinatra, who was 38.
So ew.
Uh, and of course, Maria waslike, just be nice to the
gentleman, fancy, and they'll benice to you.

SPEAKER_03 (30:45):
No, you're kidding me right now.
Wait a minute.
Here's your one chance.
Mm-hmm.
Fancy?
Don't let me down.
Yeah.
Lindsay.
Yeah.
Lindsay.
No, you can't.
No, you.
Okay, we can, but we know you.

SPEAKER_02 (30:58):
He sent her or Maria sent her off to party at
Sinatra's house by herself.
Fuck.
At 15.

SPEAKER_03 (31:05):
And I thought Frankie was amazing.
Just come on, fuck.

SPEAKER_02 (31:08):
Come on.
Oh, you haven't listened topodcasts like I have.
Like, you'll think a wholedifferent.
No.
You fuck with me and Frankie.
Yeah, when we uh when we go intodifferent cases, Frank Sinatra
will come up quite a few timesin some that I've saved.

SPEAKER_03 (31:26):
I mean, the plant's not emotional enough.
I need a pillow to fight.
I want something to leg wrestlelater.
I really do.

SPEAKER_02 (31:33):
Now, when she was 16 years old and working on Rebel,
it said that Natalie wasinvolved with director Nicholas
Ray, who was 44.
Involved?
Involved.
And Maria was all about it.
She's like, Yeah, yeah, babe.
Yeah, honey.
Yeah, yeah, darling, darling,sweet child of mine.

(31:56):
It's okay that you hang out withuh this 44-year-old man.

SPEAKER_03 (31:59):
But you know, no, wait, wait a minute, Lindsay.
You're just dropping too much.

SPEAKER_02 (32:03):
Yeah, it's gonna get dark here in a second.
And it was also rumored andalleged that Natalie was raped
by Kirk Douglas.
That's Mike Douglas's father.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (32:17):
I need a pillow.
I need a pillow.

SPEAKER_02 (32:19):
This is good, it's okay.
Yeah.
He had allegedly lured her intohis apartment for a script
reading.
And when she got there, he toldher, I've always wanted to fuck
you, and I've always wanted tofuck a teenager.

SPEAKER_03 (32:34):
I want to puke.

SPEAKER_02 (32:36):
Now she was really good friends um with another
actor that has left my brain atthe moment.
But the next day after thishappened, like she went right to
him and told him, Yeah.
This is dirty.
Dennis Hopper.
Dennis Hopper.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (32:51):
This is no, this is dirty.
Yeah.
Hollywood dirty.

SPEAKER_02 (32:55):
Very Hollywood dirty.
No.
Yeah.
And in fact, a couple of herfriends and men she would later
on date would say that sheshowed all the signs that she
had been sexually assaulted inher life, but she didn't really
talk about it.
So Natalie at one point uh wasengaged to a boy that she had
had a crush on for forever nameduh Jimmy Williams.

(33:19):
They went to school together.
Like she had been tutoredprivately for most of her
childhood through a lot of hermovies, but then she went back
to public high school, andthat's where she met Jimmy
Williams.
And they like he didn't reallygive a shit about her at first,
but when he grew up, he waslike, Oh, Natalie Wood.

(33:39):
So they dated and they fellmadly in teenage love.
You remember teenage love, it'sso intense, yeah, it's very
intense.

SPEAKER_03 (33:49):
It's healthy to go through that stage.
You have to go through that, butshe's already been through so
much already, right?
She's already lived a lifetime.
You can't.
It's everywhere, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 (34:00):
She's already she's been working since she was four
years old.
She's literally had a full-timejob, multiple full-time jobs
since she was four years old.
Okay.
Uh, Jimmy, he wasn't a Hollywoodstar, and Maria was like, no,
absolutely not.

SPEAKER_03 (34:17):
Oh, you can't be a normal person.

SPEAKER_02 (34:21):
And Jimmy, he would attempt suicide after Maria made
Natalie give the engagement ringback.
Like he tried it with a shotgun.
And that's why I'm drinking thisover here.

SPEAKER_03 (34:33):
That's why I'm drinking this mojito.

SPEAKER_02 (34:35):
Such a sad story, man.
Now, when Natalie was 18, shemet movie star Robert Wagner or
RJ.
Now you will know him as numbertwo from the Austin Powers
movies.

SPEAKER_03 (34:50):
Number two.

SPEAKER_02 (34:51):
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Now he was 26.
Natalie was 18.
But you know, back in thosedays, nobody batted an eye, that
shit, especially in Hollywood.
And they would get married in1957.
Now she had actually gotten aheadshot of RJ when she was 11

(35:12):
years old and put it up in herroom and said that she was going
to marry him.

SPEAKER_03 (35:16):
Oh, she was seeking him out.

SPEAKER_02 (35:18):
She sought him out.
Oh, yeah.
She manifested that a hundredpercent.
But you know, Hollywoodmarriages are they're something
else, okay?

SPEAKER_03 (35:28):
Yeah, they're all 6'7.

SPEAKER_02 (35:31):
So, first of all, Natalie, she was at the height
of her career, and Robert seemedto be at a plateau around that
time.
And he was known to be a veryjealous man.
And then there were rumors thatNatalie cheated on RJ with
Warren Beatty.
Like they made a film together,but it's literally like said

(35:53):
that Natalie could not standWarren Beatty like at all.
And it was very hard to havetheir sexual scenes in the movie
that they did together becauseshe could not stand him that
much.
Now she found him, she thoughthe was attractive and she
respected his acting, his actingabilities, but she could not
stand him.

SPEAKER_03 (36:13):
She was like, Fuck you, Warren Beatty.
We've had crazy stories abouthalitosis and in actors and
stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (36:20):
So we've been Yeah, if y'all did not know, um, the
actor that plays Rhett Butler, Ican't think Clark Gable.
So him and Vivian Lee, you know,they they play in Gone with the
Wind, which is an iconic moviefor all generations past 1940.
So it was said that Clark Gablehad the worst halatosis, and

(36:43):
Vivian Lee would literally getnauseous every time she had to
kiss him.

SPEAKER_03 (36:48):
That's exactly what I was talking about.

SPEAKER_02 (36:49):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (36:49):
But it was a lot of shit.

SPEAKER_02 (36:50):
And I told you about that, didn't I?

SPEAKER_03 (36:52):
That's why I had to bring it up.
And even with like John Wayneand crazy things, it's
Hollywood.
Wow.

SPEAKER_02 (36:58):
Yeah.
Well, and they didn't have thedental um anonities, amenities,
not anemities, amenities that wehave now to address those type
of situations, either back then.
So they still had gum.
Did they?

SPEAKER_03 (37:14):
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, they did.
They did.

SPEAKER_02 (37:16):
Gum was invented in the 1800s.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (37:19):
They had like some kind of breath freshener or
something.

SPEAKER_02 (37:21):
Drink some creme de mints, okay?

SPEAKER_03 (37:23):
Just drink some good, some some good drink a
mojito over here.
Exactly.
Just put a mint leaf in yourmouth.
Right now is on 10 right now.

SPEAKER_02 (37:32):
But you know, I mean, honestly, the must the
misogyny in old schoolHollywood, they probably didn't
give a fuck.

SPEAKER_03 (37:37):
I feel like I could give the best kiss right now.

SPEAKER_02 (37:40):
That shit is good.
It's very nice.
It's very crisp, very minty.

SPEAKER_03 (37:44):
Very nice.
If you haven't had a mojito, getit.

SPEAKER_02 (37:48):
So Aaron sent me a photo of her and Morgan.
They were drinking those lastweekends.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (37:54):
We had them on just a few weeks ago.
God, that was so.

SPEAKER_02 (37:57):
She was like, These are crisp as fuck.
And I was like, yes, they reallyare.
This is crisp.
They're very crisp.

SPEAKER_03 (38:02):
So, Aaron and Morgan, if you're hearing this,
this is crisp.
I'm following your footstepsover here.
But you know, honestly, realquick, real quick, can I say it
real quick?
We were on a cruise ship onetime.
And this old man told me aboutmojitos.
I've never had one before.
I just I'm like, yeah, give me along island, whatever, I'll go
back to the pool, right?
Because we go to the pool,because you know, it's it's also

(38:23):
our bathroom.
Yeah.
Not that we're disgusting, but Ithink everybody does it because
they don't leave for hours andhours and hours and hours and
hours.
But we're hanging out at thepool forever, and this old man's
like, dude, you need to drink amojito.
It's clean, it's a nice, gooddrink.
And I was like, what?
What's a fucking mojito?

SPEAKER_02 (38:43):
Jesse had them things coming on schedule.

SPEAKER_03 (38:46):
We were in like Mexico or somewhere, right?

SPEAKER_02 (38:48):
We're at Costa Maya.
We were leaving Costa Maya.

SPEAKER_03 (38:50):
And we didn't get off on Costa Maya because it's
got a shitty little dock andit's shit.
And he told me about this and Istayed on it.
So I think every cruise from nowon, I'm a mojito man.

SPEAKER_01 (39:01):
Mojito.

SPEAKER_03 (39:02):
Anyhow, Lindsay, I just wanted to tell that story,
but you can get back to yourthing over here, whatever your
fucking fuckery over here.
Fuck.

SPEAKER_02 (39:08):
Well, like I said, there was uh, you know, rumors
that Natalie had cheated on RJwith Warren Beatty, but like I
said, she didn't really like himat all.
And there were also rumors thatRJ had cheated on Natalie.
Hollywood garbage.
With a man.

SPEAKER_03 (39:24):
With a man.

SPEAKER_02 (39:26):
Yes.
Now there's absolutely nothingwrong with being a homosexual at
all.

SPEAKER_03 (39:33):
But they're married, right?

SPEAKER_02 (39:35):
They're married.
And um, you know, but in thattime, they weren't you couldn't
do that.
But Robert had the same agentthat other men that would later
on come out to be homosexual.
He would have he had the sameagent as those men.
So he kind of got classified inthat same category.

(39:58):
Like there were literally otherfemales that would be that would
come to Natalie and be like,hey, you know, we think that RJ
is bisexual.
And they would end up gettingdivorced.
This would cause um Natalie toattempt suicide.
Oh God.

SPEAKER_03 (40:17):
The scandal has brought me to, and she's been
through so many things.
So many things already.
And she sought him out, right?

SPEAKER_02 (40:26):
I mean, it was just well, she manifested their
relationship like 100%.

SPEAKER_03 (40:30):
I'm just saying, like it was, you know, now she's
even more destroyed.
Here we go.

SPEAKER_02 (40:35):
Right.
She loved him, she idolized him.
Yeah, and so after four shortyears, you know, they divorced
in 1962.
Now, RJ would go on to marryanother woman named, or she was
another actress named MarionMarshall, and they had a little
girl named Katie, and Natalieremarried to a man named Richard

(40:55):
Gregson, and they had a littlegirl who she named Natasha,
which was her nickname.
That's very cute.

SPEAKER_04 (41:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (41:02):
Now, 10 years after their divorce, and now having
married and divorced otherpeople, Natalie and RJ were at
the same party and rekindledtheir relationship.
And they were remarried in 1972,and together they had a little
girl named Courtney in 1974.

(41:25):
Oh.
So they married, divorced, hadchildren, remarried other
people, came back together, andnow they are reconsolidated.

SPEAKER_03 (41:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (41:40):
If that's what you want to call it, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (41:42):
It happened.

SPEAKER_02 (41:43):
Now in this go-around, they were both, you
know, much more mature people.
And um, RJ's career was veryactive, and Natalie's had slowed
down.
And she was good with that.
I mean, she had been working herwhole life, so she took a hiatus
and focused on being a mom.

SPEAKER_03 (42:05):
Yeah, because he stayed all the way active up
until well, Austin Powers andstuff, right?

SPEAKER_02 (42:09):
I mean, he's yeah, he's been active till yeah now
still kidding ass.
Oh, and I meant to uh I meant tosay that Kirk Douglas, who
allegedly raped her, he livedtill 103.
Buck oh three.
Are you kidding me?
103, because when I was, youknow, sidegooging and

(42:31):
everything, because the audiobook that I listened to, which I
will plug at the end, um, itjust said a very famous actor
and director.
So I was like, I want to knowthe fucking name of this person.
So I Googled, I was like, whoallegedly sexually assaulted

(42:52):
Natalie Wood?
And Kirk Douglas came up.
And so I Googled Kirk Douglasbecause I knew I was like,
Douglass, that's uh that's aname I know.
And then of course it was MikeDouglas's father.
And then so it showed when hedied, he 103.
Yeah.
He lived longer than BettyWhite.
That's not okay with, I'm notokay with that.

(43:12):
I'm not okay with that.

SPEAKER_03 (43:14):
But at least he made Mike Douglas, and that's the
only white man's ever made.

SPEAKER_02 (43:18):
And you know, I don't we we love Mike Douglas,
and we we hope that he's awholesome person.
I really do.

SPEAKER_03 (43:24):
104.

SPEAKER_02 (43:26):
So after a few years, Natalie decided to take a
role in a sci-fi thriller calledBrainstorm, in which she would
co-star with.
Are you ready?

SPEAKER_03 (43:37):
No, I'm not, but yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 (43:39):
Are you ready?

SPEAKER_03 (43:40):
Are you ready?

SPEAKER_02 (43:42):
Christopher Walken.

SPEAKER_03 (43:44):
Christopher Walken in a winter wonderland with all
the cowbell that you could everfucking have.
But I mean, we always need more.
That's what we always need.
We need more cowbell.

SPEAKER_02 (43:56):
Now I'm gonna show you.
So you and I have watchedChristopher Walken our entire
life.
Yeah.
I'm gonna show you what helooked like in 1981.
81 walken?

SPEAKER_03 (44:06):
81 walking.

SPEAKER_02 (44:07):
Isn't he handsome as fuck?
Like, okay.
He's not Gert Beef probe rightthere, okay?

SPEAKER_03 (44:14):
Chiseled, fucking handsome.
Like chiseled.
Does that make sense?
So what's everything that welove?

SPEAKER_02 (44:21):
What's everything that we love about Christopher
Walken?

SPEAKER_01 (44:23):
I mean, he can get it.
He can get it.
80 Christopher Walken, 1980s,Christopher Walken, hot.

SPEAKER_02 (44:31):
I I my mind, all my minds were blown.

SPEAKER_03 (44:34):
You can stab him in the face with a soldering iron.

SPEAKER_02 (44:37):
All my personalities were like, yes.

SPEAKER_03 (44:41):
What was the thing we've been watching though,
Lindsay?
Like about the Game of Thronesthing where you're like, how
many drinks you can oh yeah,yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (44:49):
Oh my god.
Oh, you guys, if y'all are Gameof Thrones fans, there is a
trend out right now.

SPEAKER_03 (44:56):
Which is everywhere.
I'm sorry to bring that up, butlike he don't even need a drink
for me.

SPEAKER_02 (45:00):
No drinks.
Sober, raw, uncut, unedited.
So there's a trend, Game ofThrones trend.
It's um how many, what is it?
How many shots would it take?
Um smash, yeah.
To smash.

SPEAKER_01 (45:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (45:14):
And uh for different Game of Thrones characters,
y'all follow, go look up thathashtag on on TikTok.
It is great if you're a Game ofThrones fan.
If you're not on the Game ofThrones, like get on it right
now.
In fact, Jesse and I startre-watching in January, and
we're gonna start talking aboutit.
You guys can re-watch with usfrom the beginning.

(45:36):
We'll maybe we'll talk about anepisode every week or five.

SPEAKER_03 (45:39):
Not saying that you're not our friends if you
don't like you're always ourfriends, but at the same time,
we want to hear your own.
You gotta get on it, man.

SPEAKER_02 (45:46):
You gotta get on it.

SPEAKER_03 (45:47):
Oh man, Game of Thrones, house.

SPEAKER_02 (45:49):
So, what was your what was your introduction to
Christopher Walken?

SPEAKER_03 (45:52):
Christopher Walken beginnings?
Oh my god.
What was the MTV music videothat he was in?
What was that?

SPEAKER_02 (46:00):
That wasn't my beginning, but uh, it was a Fat
Boy Slim one, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_03 (46:03):
Fat Boy Slim one?
I'm sure I've gonna look it upright now.
I'd seen him in some otherthings before that, I'm sure.
Some movies and some you had tohave.
Do you remember him dancing inthat video?
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (46:13):
I'm about to look it up.
Give me just a second.

SPEAKER_03 (46:15):
Fuck MTV.
Come back, dude.
We just I'm a little buzzed, sogive me just a second to goog
here.
Who's gonna come up withsomething that's just MTV type
things that plays music videosand has Beavis and Butthead like
breaking?

SPEAKER_02 (46:28):
It is Fat Boy Swim.

SPEAKER_03 (46:29):
Fat Boy Slim.
Fat Boy Swim Swimming.
Slim is swimming.
Bow legged.

SPEAKER_02 (46:35):
So Fat Boy Slim, it's weapon of choice, and it is
amazing.
Like, look up that music video.
But my introduction toChristopher Walken was Sarah
Plain and Tall.

SPEAKER_03 (46:47):
Sarah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 (46:48):
He plays Jacob.
Isn't that his name?
I'm gonna look it up.
Oh my god, because that was corememory unlocked right there.

SPEAKER_03 (46:53):
Sarah Plain and Tall.
That's that was fucking withGlenn Close.
How many years before that?
Was that Christopher Walken?

SPEAKER_02 (47:02):
Can you just suck?

SPEAKER_03 (47:05):
There were some mafia movies.

SPEAKER_02 (47:06):
Jacob! What's his name?
Like, listen, that was off thehip.

SPEAKER_03 (47:10):
You nailed it?

SPEAKER_02 (47:10):
Yeah.
Jacob Witting.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 (47:13):
You're like a ricochet from a Clint Eastwood
movie over here.

SPEAKER_02 (47:16):
Yeah.
So that was with Glenn Close.
And that was my first.
That was my first ChristopherWalkeny.

SPEAKER_03 (47:22):
Okay, what was the there were so many mafia movies
and things he was in too.
Like I was sure that was easy tofight.

SPEAKER_02 (47:28):
Yeah, so it was Christopher Walken and Sarah
Planin's Hall.
Then it was the music video fromFat Boy Slim.
Then, of course, you've got theSNL skit, The More Cowbell,
which is iconic.
You can't get enough cowbell tothis day.
I got a fever.
To this day.
And then Joe Dirt.
Then Joe Dirt.
Joe Dirt.
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (47:47):
That's like a big thing.

SPEAKER_02 (47:48):
And then he was in click.

SPEAKER_03 (47:50):
Yes.
He was in click.
Oh, he was in clique.
He was like.

SPEAKER_02 (47:55):
But do do the do Girt beef probe.
What was the Does your mothersew?
It sold us.
A Sabb in the face with asoldering eye.

SPEAKER_03 (48:09):
I already said it twice, but twice or three times
or whatever, but still, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (48:13):
So much Christopher Walken that I mean, like
Christopher fucking Walking.
No, we haven't done it.

SPEAKER_03 (48:19):
Nobody has done Walken in a Winter Wonderland,
have they?

SPEAKER_02 (48:21):
Oh yeah.
I mean, that was probably likeactually my fourth encounter
with Walken is from um SleepyHollow.
Sleepy Hollow.
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (48:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (48:34):
He was the headless horseman and my God.
Yeah.
Iconic role.

SPEAKER_03 (48:40):
CBCW.
You are the man.
And maybe the mafia movie wasfrom like Pulp Fiction or
something like that.
Because I remember him being inthat.
It's like.

SPEAKER_02 (48:52):
But I mean, he was Frank Abignell's father, and
catch me if you can.
He was senior.
Then he was Nikki Blonsky's dadin Hairspray, the hairspray that
I love.
Yes, I was born in the 80s, andI should love the Ricky Lake
version the best, but absolutelynot.
I love the hairspray with ZachEfron and and and um what did I

(49:13):
just say?
Nikki Blonsky and John Travoltaand Christopher Walken.

SPEAKER_03 (49:19):
Oh, we love us some musicals over the week.

SPEAKER_02 (49:22):
Because it was way more musical.
And Jerry, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (49:24):
That's right.
That's right.
Oh, you know, we you know, everytime we watch hairspray, we have
to watch Grease.
Or every time we watch Grease,we have to watch Hairspray.

SPEAKER_02 (49:31):
We'll watch hairspray.
Yeah.
They just go hands in hand.

SPEAKER_03 (49:34):
There's some really rooted Gen Z stuff right there.

SPEAKER_02 (49:37):
All right.
So we will snuff out our lovefor Christopher Walken and we'll
keep going with the story.
We love Christopher Walken's.
But we'll get there.
Come on.
We'll get there.
Okay.
So RJ would be jealous of thisrole that Natalie took on uh

(50:01):
because night, like I I showedyou, uh 1981 Christopher Walken
was an absolute dreamboat.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (50:08):
Yeah, he's drop dead gorgeous.

SPEAKER_02 (50:10):
And there were immediate rumors of him and
Natalie having an affair.
But the director of the moviesaid that they really didn't
have any sexual crimin chemistryat all on set.
So, you know, if you don't havenatural chemistry that the
director can recognize, likefuck the rumors.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (50:30):
They do their shit and then they go somewhere else.
Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 (50:33):
He didn't believe the rumor at all, this director,
but the rumors flew, you know,because unfortunately, it
doesn't matter what you say,rumors are gonna fly, period.

SPEAKER_03 (50:43):
Well, back to fear and insecurity at the same time.
Yeah.
If you're that insecure, justhang out on the set and see
what's really happening.
You know, if you feelcomfortable with that, and then
you can just let them go and dotheir thing.
I mean, I mean, insecurity isunhealthy to begin with.
But if you're if if you'refeeling like that's a thing,
just go hang out.

SPEAKER_02 (51:01):
Well, what's crazy is there's all these rumors of
RJ being either bisexual orhomosexual, period.
But he was so jealous.
And you know, and I you knowthat uh Freddie Mercury is my
boo.
I love that man so much.
But I also feel like if he wasthat way, or if he is that way,

(51:24):
that maybe it was like um a MaryAustin thing with him.
Like, because Freddie Mercuryloved Mary Austin.

SPEAKER_03 (51:32):
But that was his one and only that was real love, is
female and love.
Female love.
Female love.

SPEAKER_02 (51:39):
And I mean he left her everything after he had an
eight-year relationship with aman.
I mean, and it it's crazy to mebecause like that was his true
love, like as a human.

SPEAKER_03 (51:55):
Yeah, but in the midst of all that, you got this
confused sexuality that you'rejust trying to you're trying to
come to your your true self, andthen you have drugs and
everything else and involved inall that.

SPEAKER_02 (52:06):
And he loved, he loved his man.
Was it Jim Hutton or JamesHutton?
Something like that.
But he loved him, yeah, he lovedhis partner that he had for you
know the eight years before hepassed away, but he left Mary
everything, and he literallyfelt betrayed by Mary when she
went on to find another man andhappiness because he as everyone

(52:32):
deserves, as everyone deserves.
But yeah, I mean, even though hewas attracted to men, he loved
Mary Austin very much.

SPEAKER_03 (52:40):
I mean, Behem and Rhapsody really portrayed
everything really well.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (52:44):
And behemoth Rhapsody is like a true tale of
everything that Freddie wasfeeling.

SPEAKER_03 (52:51):
Yeah, because of this fucking iconic.
But going through all that, Imean, there's a lot of shitty
situations and and people beingshitty at the same time.
And I think there's a little bitof shit on Fred.
Well, I was like FreddieMercury.

SPEAKER_02 (53:05):
I mean, Freddie loved Mary and RJ loved Natalie
and did not want to lose her yetagain, you know.
So during Thanksgiving weekend,that's why I chose this episode.
During Thanksgiving weekend of1981, Jesse, you were almost

(53:27):
born.
Stop it.
Almost.
Yeah, not quite, but almost.

SPEAKER_03 (53:32):
Yeah.
I was a preemie.
You know that?
I was a premi.
I was like, yeah, I was a likesix-pound fucking.

SPEAKER_02 (53:38):
So you were almost you were baking in the oven.

SPEAKER_03 (53:40):
You were came out of the oven early.

SPEAKER_02 (53:42):
Yeah, you came out of the oven early, but you
weren't born quite yet.
So production was put on holdfor the holidays, and Natalie
and RJ decided to take theiryacht, the Splendor, to Santa
Catalina Island.
Ooh.
Now, Natalie had starred in amovie called Splendor in the
Grass with Warren Beatty just ayear before her and RJ had got

(54:07):
divorced.
So there's another coincidence.
Splendor Splendor.
I mean, it's just crazycoincidences.

SPEAKER_03 (54:14):
Hollywood stuff, though, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (54:16):
Now, like I said before, you know, Natalie had
this deep fear that was passedon from her mother of dark, deep
waters, but she loved being on aboat.
Like a lot of people don't evenunderstand why she was on this
boat, but per the audiobook thatI read, she I mean, what uh RJ

(54:39):
had always had boats since theystarted dating in the 60s, and
she always felt safe on boats.
She felt lit, she literally feltlike the dark water wouldn't get
her if she was on a boat.

SPEAKER_03 (54:50):
She felt safe, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (54:51):
She felt safe all the time.
So, I mean, she was used to theyacht life, the boat life.
She loved it.
Now, they invited other moviestar friends to come along for
this weekend, but uh there waslike some rough seas and some
bad weather, and the only onewho would end up coming was

(55:13):
Christopher Walken.

unknown (55:15):
Oh.

SPEAKER_03 (55:17):
Struggles on the high seas here.

SPEAKER_02 (55:21):
And it was just funny too, because I'm thinking
of Catalina Island.
I'm thinking of the Catalinawine mixer.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (55:29):
You gotta have a wine mixer.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (55:32):
It's the Catalina wine mixer.
That's I wanted that's why Iwanted to watch Step Brothers
last night, by the way.
Because I was like, can we watchStep Brothers?
And you were like, no.

SPEAKER_03 (55:42):
No, I wasn't like, no, like, no.
I just wanted to I wanted to putit on a burner.
Can I have burners?

SPEAKER_02 (55:48):
Jesse was feeling very nostalgic.
So we watched Hook and wewatched Mrs.
Alpha.

SPEAKER_03 (55:54):
Wasn't that just as it was amazing?
But I get your whole fuckingwanting to do your Catalina Y
mixture over here now.

SPEAKER_02 (56:00):
I wanted to have it in your head.

SPEAKER_03 (56:01):
I didn't know.
I mean, if I would have known.
Boats and hose bitch.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (56:06):
Yes, absolutely.
Yeah.
So Natalie, RJ, ChristopherWalken, and the yacht captain
named Dennis Davern.

SPEAKER_03 (56:15):
That's it.

SPEAKER_02 (56:16):
Were that was it?
That was on the yacht.

SPEAKER_03 (56:18):
This is a salad to begin with, right here.
This is not a good one.

SPEAKER_02 (56:22):
They were the ones who set sail.
Now the waters were choppy, butthey set out anyway.
So when they get to Catalina,they anchored and they went on
the island to shop and wine anddine.
Okay.
So the first night, uh, RJwanted to move the boat because

(56:43):
the swells were getting bigger.
But Natalie was super scared andthey argued about it.
I am not sure why she wasscared.
I I don't know.
It's very strange and might havebeen a little much, you know?

SPEAKER_03 (56:57):
Yeah.
Might have been a much.

SPEAKER_02 (56:59):
So Natalie and Dennis, the captain, they go to
shore and they stay in a hotelwhile RJ and Christopher Walkins
stayed on the yacht.
So now they returned to theSplendor the next morning and
then later had dinner at Doug'sHarbor Reef, and everyone,

(57:20):
including Dennis, the captain,they got stinking drunk.
Now there was a dinghy calledPrince Valiant.
And yes, the dinghy, the yacht'sdinghy, had its own name.
And Prince Valiant, PrinceValiant was also a movie that RJ

(57:41):
had starred in.
Like so many coincidences here,right?
I just, yeah.
That was Prince Valiant, waswhat was getting them back and
forth from yacht to shore.
Now the manager of Doug's wasconcerned about them getting
back to the Splendor safelyafter they had wined and dined

(58:02):
because the group was wasted.
Also, apparently there was anargument between Natalie, RJ,
and Christopher Walken becauseRJ had felt like they were being
just a little too flirtatiouswith each other.
And he had smashed a glass atsome point.
Like this dude made a scene.
Things calmed down a little bit,and then they decided to uh set

(58:26):
sail back to the Splendor.
And the restaurant manager hadpatrol follow them back to make
sure they arrived at the yachtsafely.
Now another argument would arisebetween RJ and Christopher
Walken because apparently RJ wasnot thrilled that Natalie had
gotten back into acting and feltshe should focus on being a

(58:50):
mother.

SPEAKER_03 (58:50):
So there's just some hidden tension going on all
over.
So much hidden tension.

SPEAKER_02 (58:55):
Yes.
And Chris was like, bro, she cantotally do both.
And this argument would get soheated that this time RJ broke
an entire wine bottle.
And you know, what did I showyou the other night?
Um, the expensive wine that theytalk about in cocktail, Louis

(59:16):
XIII.

SPEAKER_01 (59:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (59:18):
And I just kept picturing that bottle because it
was really pretty and it waslike coated in silver.
And these people are just sorich that they probably just
didn't give a fuck aboutanything.

SPEAKER_03 (59:28):
And they're just smashing a thousand dollar
bottle of fucking wine.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (59:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (59:32):
What the what the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 (59:34):
Well, Chris, he was like, I'm done with this shit,
bro.
So he retired to wherever it wasthat he was sleeping on the
boat.
And uh then Natalie, she went tothe main stateroom to get away
from them both.
And around 11 p.m., RJ noticedthat Natalie was nowhere to be

(59:56):
found.
And neither was Prince.
Valiant, the dinghy.
Oh, what?

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:03):
Out in the high seas.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:04):
Out in the high seas.
So there, I think they are uhabout a mile from shore.
That's why they took the dinghyback and forth.
Just like when you and I went toBelize, and we had to take the
little boat to shore.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:18):
Holy shit, what a ride that was.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:21):
You gotta be ready for the ride, yo.
You gotta be ready.
Belize is a whole different.
So it was fun though.
Come on.
You know, you you just you yougot in, you strapped on, you
went.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:32):
So fast.
I was literally, I wasn'tliterally shitting in my pants,
but in my heart, I was shittingmy pants at how fast that boat
was going.
Now, on the week back, we took acatamaran with a lot of people.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:51):
Nice floating.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:52):
And it was a nice, just chill ride back on the way
when I wasn't, because we had tobe at that boat at like 7 a.m.,
right?
So we had we were up, we wereshowered, we were dressed.
They're just rushing you inthere.
It's just I wasn't ready.
I wasn't ready.
I wasn't ready.
I was ready.
I was like, I don't give a fuck.
I want to believe.

(01:01:12):
You know what made me feel safethough was that there were kids
on there.
I was like, it's gonna be okay.
There's children here.
I'm gonna live.
I'm gonna live.
I have a child.
I'm gonna live.
I wanna live.
But it was, yeah, the ride intoBelize was so fast.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:26):
Yeah, the situations that I put you in like chaotic.
I have put you in some shit inlife.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:31):
You have put me in so much situations that are out
of my comfort zone, but I'mhere.
I'm here to tell the tale.
Okay.
So Captain Dennis was like, uh,so you want to turn on those
floodlights so we can see what'sup?
Because Natalie is deathlyafraid of dark water.
Why would she take off on herown?

(01:01:54):
And RJ was like, nah, I don'twant to bring too much attention
over here.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:58):
What?

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:00):
They're sitting a mile offshore.
That's a fucking dingy now.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:04):
Why, RJ?
Why would you want to bringattention to this boat?
Why wouldn't you want to bringattention to the boat that your
wife is now missing from?

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:13):
Wait a minute, Lindsay.
Right.
You rolled your eyes before youstarted talking about all this.
And I'm starting to learn yourlittle mannerisms over here.
Lindsay, wait a minute.
I'm going to the plant.
Hang on.
Let me adjust.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:26):
So I've decided that that plant is going to be called
Courtney LaPlante.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:32):
Are you kidding me, right?
Yeah, that's Courtney LePlant.
I'm allowed to?

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:35):
From a spirit box.
Yeah.
Our other one, we're going toname that one Robert Plant.
That's Courtney LePlant, andthat's Robert Flant.
I think I've called him Robertmore times than I've.
Okay, whatever.
But you got but you gotta tell.
So I've I've I've already saidthat that one's a girl because
she is the only one that'sbloomed.
She has given me a bloom.
Robert over here hasn't given mezero blooms.

(01:02:56):
But I thought Courtney.
Courtney has bloomed.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:00):
Courtney's blooming.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:02):
Courtney has bloomed and she's blooming in real life.
So that's Courtney.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:06):
This is Courtney.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:07):
That's Courtney.
You're an emotional supportpiece Lily.
We're naming her CourtneyLePlant.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:18):
Don't yell at it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:19):
That's Robert.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:20):
Don't yell at Robert.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:21):
Robert's a rebel and he doesn't want to bloom.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:24):
He's like, I done did this.
Y'all are late.
Y'all late, boy.
You are date.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:29):
So now a woman named Marilyn Wayne, whose boat was
anchored near the Splendor,would say that she heard a woman
calling out saying, Help, I'mdrowning.
And she immediately, Marilyn,she immediately called Harbor
Patrol, and no one answered thecall.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:47):
Harbor Patrol didn't answer the call.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:49):
Harbor Patrol did not answer the call.
So apparently there was a bigparty ashore, and Harbor Patrol
was possibly in attendance.
Now Marilyn would also say thata drunk-sounding man answered
the cries of the woman saying,Hold on, we're coming to get
you.

(01:04:10):
And like a condescending, drunkvoice.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:12):
I'll be there when I can.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:15):
Now, RJ, he called Harbor Patrol as well and didn't
get an answer.
And this was two hours later.
No.
And then a total of four hourslater, after Natalie is found
missing, he called the CoastGuard four hours later.
Four.
One, two, three, four.
And then around 8 a.m., hold myhand.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:40):
No, Lancy.
Hold my hands.
Getting over here because I knowyou're finna do it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:45):
On November 29th, Natalie's body was found in a
cove near the dinghy about amile away.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:53):
Son of a bitch.
Son of a bitch.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:56):
She was found in her nightgown, socks, no shoes, and
a quilted down jacket that hadweighed her down in the water.
The dinghy had not been driven.
It was just floating.
And it had it looked like it hadbeen just cut from the yacht.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:14):
Yeah.
Somebody killed her.
Just dumped her off in themiddle of Catalina Island.
Just in the water.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:24):
As the oracle.
In the dark water that had beenliterally foreseen by her
mother.
Now Maria thought she was theone that she was gonna drown in
dark water.
But it ended up being Maria.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:39):
I'm gonna cry.
Fuck.
Pay attention to people thattell you things because there's
some clairvoyant shit thatfucking really does fucking
happen here.
There is.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:48):
There's the other, one of the other coincidences.
Yeah.
Oh.
Now, when an autopsy wasperformed, she did have a high
alcohol content in her system,along with motion sickness
medicine and a painkiller.
And she was covered in bruises.
You don't get bruises from thewater.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:10):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:12):
It was presumed that she had tried to tie Prince
Valiant up and fell overboard,and that the coat made her
drowned.
And then her death was ruled asan accidental drowning.
And RJ and Christopher Walkenreally had nothing to say about
the situation.
They just told the eventsleading up to.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:35):
But RJ was breaking the fucking bottles and doing
shit.
Right.
He had the fucking built-up shitgoing on.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:41):
But where were you, Chris?
I love Christopher Walken, and Ireally don't want to think bad
things about him.
I'm not.
But where I know.
But where were you?
You know you had to hear thisshit.
You know you had to hear thesearguments.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:52):
There had to be some fighting going on.
So Dennis.
He'd spill it.
What the fuck?
She she was abused before.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:01):
I wanna hold on.
I'm gonna, listeners, I'm gonnashow Jesse a picture of Natalie
Wood really quick because I knowthat he's he probably can't
picture her.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:10):
My speculation for sure, but I feel like you know,
there was some shit going onbefore that, and he knew about
it.
He didn't spill it, dude.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:19):
Look at her.
Look at how beautiful she is.

unknown (01:07:22):
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:24):
I know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:24):
And it's still a miracle on 34th Street to me.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:27):
I know.
Just look how beautiful she is.
Ugh.
Okay.
So Dennis Davern, the captain,he kept quiet for 10 years.
And then out of nowhere, hecalled Natalie's sister, Lana,
and told her a few more detailsthan had been revealed in the

(01:07:51):
past.
He said that RJ and Natalie hadargued pretty heavily in the
stateroom before shedisappeared.
Apparently, furniture was thrownand violence ensued.
It was not pretty.
And he just kind of turned onsome music to drown it out.

(01:08:12):
Now, this was possibly thereason why she was so bruised
up.
I mean, she uh when I looked atthe initial uh coroner's report,
she had 39 bruises.
You don't get that from justfalling in the water.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:29):
No, you don't.
And there was some shit.
I don't know how big this boatwas, but fuck.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:34):
It's a yacht.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:35):
So still.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:36):
And before, before that, he had RJ, he had accused
Chris of quote, trying to fuckhis wife.
Those were the words that areliterally used in the situation.
Now Dennis says around 11 p.m.
everything went quiet afterRobert screamed, get off my

(01:08:58):
fucking boat.
And that was it.
Then they discovered Natalie wasquote unquote missing.
Yeah.
And RJ had said leave her thereand teach her a lesson.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:15):
So we're nailing it right here.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:17):
Now Dennis had been too scared of RJ to come forward
in the past and had actuallylived with him for a year after
Natalie's death.
RJ wanted to make sure thatmotherfucker was quiet.
But allegedly.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:32):
So if yeah, he he had something over top of both
of them.
Him and CW.
He was like, no.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:39):
No.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:40):
I will end your fucking life.
I will end your career.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:42):
Well, I'm gonna talk about that in just a second,
okay?

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:45):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:46):
So an intern for Dr.
Nagucchi, who was coroner to thestars, he had also been the
coroner for Marilyn Monroe.
Dr.
Naguchi.
Yeah.
Wow.
And you know how that well,we'll talk about that in
another.
We're gonna that's on my list.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:03):
There's a lot of dirt right in there.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:04):
We're gonna talk about Marilyn later on.
So the intern later said thatthere was bruising on Natalie
that would only be there if shehad been pushed off the vote.
But that wasn't filed in theinitial report.
And when he asked why, like thisintern asked Dr.
Naguchi why, and he looked upand told this intern, some

(01:10:29):
things are better left unsaid.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:31):
No, it's not.
That's fucking garbage.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:35):
There was also head trauma that wasn't noted in the
initial report.
Now in 2011, the case wasreopened after Dennis Savern
publicly stated that he had liedto police during the initial
investigation.
He literally says that he reallybelieves that Robert Wagner
murdered Natalie.

(01:10:56):
Now, whether it just be adrunken accident or on purpose,
period, Dennis Savin says thatRJ was the cause of Natalie's
death.
In 2018, RJ was named a personof interest because he was the
last person to see her, and shewas covered in bruises, and

(01:11:18):
there had been a violentargument.
But in 2022, Lieutenant HugoReyena announced that all leads
have been exhausted and that thecase remains open but unsolved.
Now Christopher Walken was rulednot a suspect right off the rip

(01:11:41):
and really hasn't spoken of muchsince, other than there was a
Playboy article that he didwhere he did say that he
believed that the dinghy, PrinceValiant, was knocking up against
the boat and it was nearNatalie's room to where she

(01:12:03):
could hear it, and that wasdisturbing her sleep, and that
he felt like she had maybe triedto go cut it or move it and
maybe fell overboard.
Come on, dude.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:15):
It sounds like a bullshit story.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:17):
But at the same time, why wouldn't she just have
Dennis do it?
The captain.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:22):
Who knew how to deal with that shit?
That's exactly what I would havedone too, being in that
position, be like, hey, uh, thisneeds to be fixed.
We're paying you to do this, fixit, right?

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:31):
Oh, another mystery is Christopher Walken was
married at that time, and he'sstill married to that same woman
named Georgiane Walken, and theyhave been married since 1969.
And she is a casting directorand an actress who had a small
role in the movie Brainstormthat he was gonna star in.

(01:12:54):
He did he did star in that role,like they did finish production
of that movie.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:59):
And it was just like it was setting up everything.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:01):
Well, Lana, her younger sister, stood in for the
few parts that needed to befilled after she passed away.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:10):
Wow.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:12):
So it's a mystery why she wasn't out on the
Splendor with Natalie and RJ.
Like that's that's a completemystery.
That we'll probably never know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:23):
I feel like everybody was just moving
forward and they were gonna hideit so they could further their
careers and Hollywood debacley.
You know, that's what I feellike.
And they didn't give a fuckabout a human life.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:35):
Well, that's what I'm saying.
I need to know why.
Yeah.
There was a four-hour periodbefore the Coast Guard was
called.
I know Harbor Patrol didn'tanswer, they didn't answer the
Maryland lady or RJ's call.
But why was there another twohours after that before the

(01:13:56):
Coast Guard was called?
Come on.
Now RJ's in his 90s now.
We'll probably never know unlesshe does a deathbed confession.
And I I love you, ChristopherWalken.
But come on, if you knowanything, come forward.
I feel like he knows.
Please come forward and say it'sbeen too long.

(01:14:16):
You're old enough now.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:18):
Not that you weren't old enough then, you should have
fucking manned up.
I mean, fuck the career and theshit, dude.
Do what's right.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:25):
Well, I mean, Christopher Walken's only 78.
So, I mean, he's quite a bityounger than RJ.
Yeah, but still, this is so Imean, no wonder why RJ was
intimidated.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:35):
But Christopher Walken put himself in that
situation.
He showed up to the little partyboat and he did his shit.
And no one knew there was sometension, though.
He probably knew there was sometension.
I don't know if it was, youknow, was fueled or whatever,
but the first sign was lashingout and doing some crazy fucking
jaw-dropping moments withbreaking shit.

(01:14:56):
And then it's like, you know,you break shit, break shit.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:58):
Well, he was arguing with RJ about Natalie's career
because RJ was like, nah, she'sa mother now.
She needs to be a mother, sheneeds to stay at home.
Shut the fuck up, RJ.
But at that time period, all menwere like that.
And unfortunately, that's justthe way it was.
But I just don't understand.

(01:15:20):
There's no way.
I don't I I I've never been on ayacht, but I've been on a
cruise.
I don't understand how you couldjust go to bed and not hear this
argument.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:31):
That's what I said.
I don't know how big the boatis.
One or two hundred foot, youknow?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:36):
And I I don't know.
I just, I mean, I really, Ireally believe that even if it
wasn't on purpose orpremeditated, I believe that
Robert Wagner was definitelyresponsible for Natalie's death.
I feel like that.
There's no way the I mean, sheshe said in an inter okay, not

(01:15:56):
only did her mother instill thatfear of water in her, she said
it on an interview.
Like nobody believes thatNatalie Wood would have gone
anywhere near that dinghywithout assistance.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:06):
And this was all this was all documented
beforehand.
Right.
And then it actually came toclairvoyance.
Wow.
Yeah, but don't put yourself inthat situation as at the
beginning.
Like, if he feels like there'ssome dirt, you know, go and
figure it out for yourself andthen handle that in a healthy
way.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:26):
Well, there was even rumors that Natalie was going to
take Prince Valiant, the dinghy,to shore and and and party hop.
She was in a nightgown andsocks.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:39):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:40):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:40):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:41):
She's not going to party in a nightgown and socks.
A Hollywood starlet that's beena star since she was a child.
No.
No.
Like, because I mean, the bookthat I uh the audio book that I
listened to called Natalie Wood,The Complete Biography by
Suzanne Feinstead.
And it's read by Rose McGowan,by the way.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:03):
Rose McGowan?

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:06):
From Rose McGowan.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:08):
Rose McGowan?
Maylon Manson's ex-wife.
Really?
Yeah.
What?
Yeah.
It's read by her.
Very intriguing.
Very good book.
If you want to deep dive intoNatalie Wood's entire
everything, listen to this book.
It's amazing.
But this book says that shewould not leave her house

(01:17:29):
without being fully made upbecause she knew like paparazzi
and peep things like that wouldbe.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:35):
She's not going to show up to a party unless it's
burned and prepared for.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:40):
She wasn't going to be party hopping in her
nightgown and socks.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:43):
Yeah.
She had no shoes on.
Yeah, completely star that wasput out, right?

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:48):
She was thrown off that boat.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:49):
Yeah.
Beaten and thrown off the boat.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:51):
RJ, come on out.
Come on out and say it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:55):
We're waiting on Christopher Walken or RJ,
somebody.
I really don't think ChristopherWalken had anything to do with
it.
And I don't think that Dennishad anything to do with it.
And I believe that Dennis wasjust like terrified of what
Robert Wagner could do to him.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:11):
Yeah.
And you feel like Wagner canreally fuck up your career.
So you're trying to hang on tothat maybe after Wagner dies.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:19):
And maybe, yeah.
Yeah.
You know what?
Because a lot of shit will comeout.
I mean, look at what we foundout about Michael Jackson after
he passed away.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:28):
I know.
And I feel like, you know,honestly, holding on to that for
your career come up at thispoint and your age, fuck that,
dude.
You should have, I mean, youshould have said fuck it to
begin with and been a stand-upperson and really.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:44):
And I'm really mad because I love number two.

unknown (01:18:47):
I love that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:48):
He was a number two, I guess.
He was a number two.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:51):
But you know what?
At the same time, Rob Lowe'sversion of number two is way
cooler than Robert Wagner's.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:57):
So yeah, well, we're changing the game.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:00):
I was about to say, our son is still obsessed with
the Austin Power movies rightnow.
He is re-watching them.
I mean, he can quote everything.
And I'm like, and it just makeshim so much more happy, happier
that Mike Myers also did Shrekand Wayne's World.
And just like, I love becauseMike Myers is wholesome as hell.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:22):
You can quote every bit of a we can.
Gen Z World, we got it.
I did that shit on a hook theother night, last night.
I did it.
I was like, I was saying thewords before they came out.
I was like, they're fake.
I couldn't help it.
I don't know why I couldn't helpit, but DNA, right?

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:37):
But fuck, dude.
Austin Powers, like all of them,especially The Spy Who Shagged
Me, and then Goldmember, Ithink.
Goldmember is my absolutefavorite.
Are you kidding me?
You know what's crazy too isbecause I love Goldmember is my
favorite of the Austin Powersfranchise.
And Shrek 4 is my favorite Shrekof the that franchise.

(01:20:01):
Like I love the I don't knowwhat it is, but his last ones
are the tits.
Are the tits.
Now I know we got Shrek 5 comingup, but Shrek 4 and Austin
Powers 3, those are my favorite.
But I still want more.
I still want more.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:16):
We want more.
Yeah.
We want it so much.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:19):
But I mean, there is certain things about all of them
that I love so much.
But those two are top-notch.
But we're gonna go back to thisbecause this was an absolute
travesty, you know, and and evenlittle Courtney, like their
daughter together, RobertWagner's and Natalie Wood's
daughter together, like she's onher father's side, but there's

(01:20:44):
just no other explanation.
Like Natalie had too much fearof water to go anywhere near it.
I can know that she's and sheknew she could call up Dennis
and be like, hey, help me.
Even if what Christopher Walkensaid was true, that the dinghy
beating against the boat wasbothering her, she would have
called Dennis.

(01:21:04):
She wouldn't have tried to dothat on her own.
No.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:07):
I mean, they're spending the money.
He's the captain, they're payingfor it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:10):
He straight up says Dennis.
Now he's got a book too outcalled, and I haven't had time
to read this one because I waslistening to the other one.
So he has a book out that I amgoing to visit.
It's called Goodbye Natalie,Goodbye Splendor.
And that's his telling ofeverything that I have not
explored yet.
So maybe, listeners, we can uhlisten or read that one

(01:21:33):
together.
I'm gonna listen if you guyswant to read.
Absolutely.
I don't have time to sit andread.
I have to listen so I can beproductive at the same time.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:41):
Oh, yeah.
But wouldn't that be cool to dolike an a live audiobook?
Like we should do book club.
No, you can do that.
I think you can do that and getaway with it, right?

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:55):
We should set a date for that one.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:56):
But the Natalie Wood biography by Suzanne Feinstead
is amazing.
Like it will have you because ittalks about all her involvement
with all of these old Hollywoodstars that we all know about.
And some of them had no businesshanging out with this young
girl.

(01:22:17):
Like Dirt.
Like Frank Sinatra.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:20):
Like he had no business hanging out with
fucking Frankie right in frontof me.
And even speaking of fuckingFrankie, there's a fuck Frankie
song that Marilyn Manson did onSmells Like Children.
Isn't that crazy?
Wow.
Fuck Frankie.
Yeah, it smells like a circle.
Nasty one.
It's really nasty.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:40):
So uh that is my coverage on Natalie Wood.
Oh.
Wasn't that a good story,though?
You know, for our Thanksgivingweekend.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:52):
So much dirt.
Oh.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:55):
We're gonna cover some more in the future for
sure.
They're on my list.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:59):
That's why Marilyn wrote that song, Marilyn Manson.
Because of the fuck the fuckFrankie song.
I mean, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:05):
And it's crazy that Rose McGowan narrated this book.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:11):
I don't know.
Maybe we're coming up withdiscovery.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:15):
I need to make a whole uh playlist of all the
audiobooks that I have readthroughout or have listened to
throughout my journey here.
We need to do that for our likehundredth episode.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:29):
But we got a while before then.
That'll be season three.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:32):
That's gonna be a Hootamaroon.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:34):
Holy shit.
We're coming.
We're getting close to our 60thepisode.
So um yeah.
This will be 58, right?
This will be 58.
Five eight.
Wow.
We got two more before 60th.
So uh tell me, sir.
Wow what band are you gonna plugthis week?
Oh shit.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:53):
I have music.
Yes.
I want to play this amazingband.
Holy shit.
Let's see.
We're going global here.
We're going global.
I'm so excited.
I have Natty Borda fromColumbia, South America.
And we're finally there, right?
We're finally there.
Oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:11):
It took so long to get there.
We love you, South America.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:15):
Yes, yes.
And I love this song.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:17):
Thank you for finally tuning in.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:19):
Yeah, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:21):
You are our last continent.
I know we're there to be to havelisteners in, and we got them.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:26):
Yeah.
Brought us global.
This song is called No Return.
So love it, share it, check itout.
Here we go.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:32):
There's no way by I will explain why I can see your
eyes without thinking in ourunreal bags.

(01:24:53):
My heart wants to express itsfilling with this song.
It will be the first and thelast song that I write for this
love.

(01:25:20):
Saying thanks for all thatwilling.
I'm not feeling fine now.
I'm not feeling dark.
We've been trying and tryingwithout reaching an evil.

(01:25:41):
I'll find that enough to keep upyour constant disappearance.
Let me without distress.

(01:26:02):
One day I be ill.
It's feeling with this song.
It will be the first and thelast song that I write for this

(01:26:25):
love.
Saying things for all of theyears, we live.

(01:26:50):
I'm not feeling by love.
This is not the place where Iwon't stay.

(01:27:11):
I'm not feeling to find now.
I'm not feeling to start again.
We've been trying, trying.
Stop reaching an eagle.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:39):
Oh my goodness, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:41):
That was so beautiful and so sultry.
And I loved it so much.
So you can follow Natty Borda atNatty Borda Artist on Instagram.
And uh I automatically followedher on uh Spotify as well.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:59):
Beautiful music.

SPEAKER_02 (01:28:00):
Beautiful music, beautiful for this episode.
I don't know if like some of herstuff is like Spanish or
Portuguese or Spanish.
So yeah, so it's in um adifferent language, and you can
click see translation.
Um her newest single, so thissong is called No Return, but
her newest single is called DesPasillo, which is translated to

(01:28:25):
Slow Down, and that's her newestsong, and she posts that it is
out on all platforms.

SPEAKER_04 (01:28:32):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:33):
And I have followed her on both of my platforms that
I was that we that we play thatthey're making moves.
Making moves.
Follow them and support it.
Like check out their stuffbecause a lot of it's diverse
too.
Like I was you know, my favoriteis like that that Ray Tone, like
that really juke and you know,you mean you work out to that

(01:28:53):
stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (01:28:54):
I know I didn't manifest them enough to be at
Rockville, but we're gonna catchthem, we're gonna see them in
the future.
Yeah.
So I mean, honestly, like, oh,we're gonna, we're gonna at the
first of the year, we're gonnado, you know, our countdown to
Rockville.
I mean, so far, like mymanifestation powers have really
come through.

(01:29:15):
Like, we got Parkway Drive, wegot Lamb of God, we got Lorna
Shore, Slaughter to Prevail.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:22):
Which is a different whole genre from this, you know,
but like Absolutely.
We love reggaeton, though.
I mean, I love reggaeton, and Ijust love this style of music,
and it's the the diverse styleof we love all kinds of music,
and I'm so glad to just put thisout here.
It's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:39):
I love it.
So amazing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:41):
Oh, and you know, you know, I fell in love with
you because you used to loveZumba.
You still love it.
I still love it, and that musicI just don't get an opportunity
to go anywhere because I do worknights.
We get some Latin music on acruise ship, man.
You get oh, we get down.
We probably don't look that coolat our age anymore.

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:57):
It doesn't matter.
No, it doesn't matter.
We're still gonna juke.
We're gonna juke.

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:00):
You know, people would be like, getting it,
getting it, you know.
And I remember one time I was wewas juking on a cruise ship and
people people were like yellingat me, like, get it, boy, get
it.
And I was all getting it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:09):
Get it white, boy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:11):
And then then somebody started yelling, don't
get it.
No, you're done getting it.
I was like, They did not.
Yeah, they did.
And I was like, I'm not done,but I still want to keep going.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:19):
Well, but on that, on that particular cruise, we
had an amazing cruise directornamed Cam.
Oh, yeah.
And he like, we were we werehaving the time of our lives.
Like, literally.

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:31):
Yeah.
I don't know.
Literally.
We're ever gonna bring any badvibes on a post.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:34):
Now I have you.
The time of my life.

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:40):
In the middle of that cruise ship, when everybody
was yelling, it was like 5,000people, and they they did the
songs and the the wholecollaboration.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:49):
Yeah, listeners, let me know.
If you want me to share thevideos, follow us on Instagram,
and I will share the videos ofthe what was it, like three or
four floors of people singing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:31:01):
I just want to do this.
80s music for your podcast.
I want to do this for your foreverything and for our crews
because I didn't do this yet,and I want to do this.
Okay.
I just want to do this.
Those memories right there.
Yeah.
And your story right here.
Ooh.
But the music that we justshared, I love it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:24):
But hashtag justice for Natalie Wood.
Justice for Natalie Wood.
Let's figure out.
Let's okay, so you got RJ,Christopher Walken.

unknown (01:31:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:34):
Nobody can make me hate you, but please come
forward and say what reallyhappened.
Come on, man.
It's been long enough.

SPEAKER_03 (01:31:41):
And Nattie Borda like follow and love her music
because it is lovable.

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:47):
But the number 43 I wanted you to pay attention to
was she started acting in 43 andshe died at the age of 43.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:56):
What?
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:58):
Lancy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:31:59):
That's our age right now.
Yeah, but we didn't have anyoracles or any.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:03):
No, but Jesse and I are literally 43 right now, and
that was just really crazy tome.
And she started acting in 1943.
At the peak of her life, she hadkids and everything, and just
the things, you know, it waslike her youngest daughter was
only like seven years old.

unknown (01:32:22):
Wow.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:23):
And she probably wanted to portray the acting
career and everything.
I mean, that's all she knew.
That's really all she knew.
Miracle on 43.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:32):
Robert Wagner, I know you're old as shit right
now.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:35):
Tell it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:36):
Why were you such a fucking jealous adult?

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:42):
I feel like there's a vein.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:43):
Yeah, there's a vein pop popping out.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:45):
We're gonna watch Miracle on 21st Street.
34th.
34th.
We're gonna watch the miracle.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:51):
We always do.
We do every year.
We watch both of them.
We love them both.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:55):
34th Street.
Why am I so fucked?
Oh, this is the it's the mojito.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:59):
And yeah.
Was it Mara Wilson uh who playedMatilda and she played in the
second, the reboot of thatmovie?
Yeah.
And I mean, she has some she hassome crazy shit in her.
I mean, she was a child staralso, which is also ironic to
me, you know.
So we may cover her later on aswell.

unknown (01:33:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:23):
Yeah.
I don't want to.
No.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:25):
I don't want you to tell me any more.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:27):
There's a few child stars that we're gonna cover.
You and you we both know aboutone from uh All Dogs in Heaven.
All dogs go to heaven.
We talked about that one before.
Yeah, we're gonna talk about herlater on.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:37):
Lindsay?

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:38):
That one's gonna be a short one.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:40):
Did you put me you just you just keep breaking me
fucking down over here?
You're breaking me down, bud.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:45):
Like it's like I know that we enjoy, you know, uh
these child actors, but whatthey go through or what they
went through, and I hope thatthey have a better, I hope that
there's a better system involvednow.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:00):
I feel like that it's it's healthier now because
everything is out here way more.
And if if if a if a child feelslike that there's so much it's
in their hands, they can justblast, you know?

SPEAKER_02 (01:34:15):
And if you're a parent out there who wants to
live vicariously through yourchild, don't.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:21):
No, don't you know maybe my son is playing guitar
and all that stuff, but I don'tpush anything on him.
No, you didn't at all.
And you had at one point Well, Ivibe off of what he wants to do.

SPEAKER_02 (01:34:35):
You had at one point said that you won't really
wanted him to, but at the sametime, as he grew, and you just
kind of we just kind ofintroduce things to him and have
let him come to us and be like,hey, I want to do this.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:50):
Help him harness those things, but like he does
want to perform because we'llhave a little gathering or
something over here.
He's like, dude, I can want toplay this, I'm gonna play a
guitar set or something toeverybody.
And then he's like, No, I don'twant you to tell me to do that.
I'm like, Silas, you're the onethat stopped the whole party and
wanted to do this on your own.
So that's all.

SPEAKER_02 (01:35:11):
I mean, literally, we cannot have a party over here
without our kid being like, Allright, I'm bringing my amp and
my guitar out here.
Y'all shut up.

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:18):
Center of attention.
Yeah, it's it's it's SilasWorld.
That's what we actually say.
We actually hold wait a minute.
We have to have a Silas show.
Yeah.
So Lindsay, that was amazing.
Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_02 (01:35:30):
Thank you for plugging Natty.
Yeah.
And that was a great song.

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:34):
Great story, too, though.
Great artist.
I hate the story.
Uh is fucking here you go again.
You got me over here, just yougot me.

SPEAKER_02 (01:35:43):
Like I said, hashtag justice for Natalie Wood,
because there really hasn't beenthus far.

unknown (01:35:49):
No.

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:50):
But we're gonna get off here.
Hope you have had an amazingThanksgiving and and and great
Black Friday shopping.
Yeah, if you're in the UnitedStates.
But if not, just be thankful forlife and be great Human Beans.
And we love it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:36:07):
Now we will be taking just a small break um due
to work hours and and preparingfor our own family uh
Thanksgiving festivities.
Yeah.
But we will have a littlespecial episode outs uh recap
and a few little extra things onthat.
So stay tuned for that.

(01:36:28):
Plug a little video on YouTube,a little something, something.

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:36:31):
Absolutely.
We love you so much.
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