Episode 28: Battle of the Alamo - DAGNABBIT!

In today’s episode, we will be discussing The Battle of the Alamo! The Battle of the Alamo was a legendary clash during the Texas Revolution. In 1836, a small Texan garrison, led by figures like Davy Crockett and Jim Bowie, held the fortified Alamo mission against a massive Mexican army led by General Santa Anna. The Texans, vastly outnumbered, fought valiantly for thirteen days. Despite their bravery and fierce resistance, they were ultimately overwhelmed on March 6th, 1836. The fall of the Alamo became a symbol of heroic sacrifice and sparked a fire for Texan independence. The defenders' determination and courage against insurmountable odds left an indelible mark on American history, rallying others to join the cause for freedom. 

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Speaker 2 (00:15):
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We're on the other side of the room, we are in it.
It's a whole new world.
It's quite amazing, isn't it?

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It's very fucking official,yeah.

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Honestly I think we're the onlyones ever with a round table,
and we look forward to being theonly ones with a round table.

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcometo Drinking Our Way Through
History, where we cover thelegendary people, places,
spectacles and events thathistory has to offer, while
enjoying a thick pour of wine.
Wine, I am Cooper, I am Ian.
In today's episode, we will bediscussing the battle of the.

(01:25):
Alamo oh yes, yes, yes, oh boy,I know we're going two battles
back to back on episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
You know what Well we did do?

Speaker 1 (01:32):
we did technically do our thimble last time we had a
thimble, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
But we did talk about war.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
We did, we did.
I think it's you have to.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
I feel like every episode I think we've talked
about death or war or something.
You know, this stuff humanscrave.
Yeah, maybe next episode we'lldo like.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Mr Rogers or something.
Yeah, right, Like the historyof SpongeBob SquarePants.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
It's so much death and destruction.
It's like we're actually stillmurder somewhere in that fucking
story.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
You see how chaotic that town gets Now.
The battle of the Alamo was alegendary clash.
During the Texas Revolution.
In 1836, a small Texan garrison, led by figures like Davy
Crockett and Jim Bowie, held thefortified Alamo mission against
a massive Mexican army led byGeneral Santa Ana Santa Ana Now.

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The Texans, vastly outnumbered,fought valiantly for 13 days.
Despite their bravery andfierce resistance, they were
ultimately overwhelmed on March6th 1836.
The fall of the Alamo became asymbol of heroic sacrifice and
sparked a fire for Texasindependence.
The defenders' determinationand courage against

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insurmountable odds left anindelible mark on American
history, rallying others to jointhe cause for freedom.
Kind of ironic.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
It's.
Yeah, it's a little ironic.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
I'm gonna do this and Ian's about to dive in a little
bit.
Yeah, these middle school didus dirty.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah.
So the battle of the Alamostands as a crucial event in the
Texas Revolution, marking aturning point in the struggle
for independence Lasting 13 days.
Mexican forces commanded byPresident General Antonio López
de Santa Ana successfullyrecaptured the Alamo mission
near San Antonio de Baxar Right.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, which is now San Antonio, Texas.
Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Following in the execution of most of the
defenders.
Santa Ana's decision to offerno mercy to the occupants during
the battle stirred a strongresolve among many Texians and
Tejanos, tejanos, yes, tejanos,spurring them to join the Texian
army.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Now, real quick, the Texians and the Tejanos.
Texians were Anglo-Americansthat were like moving away from
the current America, just likeour I don't know territories on
the East Coast over to Texasbecause we had just abolished
slavery.
And Texians were theAnglo-Americans who had slaves

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and came over and were escapingthat abolishment of slavery,
kind of.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, kind of.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Basically they wanted their own freedoms and they're
like America's getting lost.
We don't like that.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
We're going to steal some land from Mexico.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Call it ours Basically, and the Tejanos are
Mexicans who sided with theAnglo-Americans and moved over
and were defending the Alamoduring the Texas Revolution.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Right, right.
So the motivations behind theTexian resistance were pretty
diverse seeking revenge for theAlamo's fall and wanting to
maintain an open border forimmigration and the practice of
slavery, which is something weare definitely not advocating
for.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, we're going to talk just like, because
obviously this is a very likehero driven story, like it is.
What these men do is absolutelyfucking insane and extremely
brave of how they died, but atthe same time, they still owned
fucking slaves.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
These fucks only moved to.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Texas because they wanted to keep their slaves.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
That is a big factor.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
So they left out in school, yeah.
So, seeking that revenge, theTexians rallied their forces
right.
Their determination culminatedin the defeat of the Mexican
army at the battle of San Juan.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Hacinto.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yes, yeah, thank you.
Very good pronunciation, Ian.
Thanks Cooper.
On April 21st of 1836,effectively ending Mexico's
control over the state ofCoalejia y Tejas yeah, I'll go
with that.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
What do you think it is?
Coalejia y Tejas, tejas, tejas,tejas, tejas.
We got there.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Somewhere in there the correct pronunciation is.
So effectively it endedMexico's control over that state
and established the Republic ofTexas.
Now let's go ahead and take astep back and get Cooper's
favorite part out of the way.
Let's give a little bit ofcontext here.
Context, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
All right, so now it's like right.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Right, right, I get that, I just want to emphasize
like that.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
This story was so mis-told to us about who these
actual defenders of Texas was.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
We all know the song, we all know the song from
middle school.
I don't know the song, but Iremember there being a song
about the Alamo that I learnedin middle school.
Oh, there is a song, oh, oh,the Alamo.
No, that's different.
Anyway, there is a song.
We are taught a lot about theAlamo in like middle school, but
we're not taught the fact thatliterally the whole reason this

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shit is happening is becausethese guys just wanted to own
slaves and so they were tryingto escape America that had
abolished it, but Mexico hadalready abolished it too.
So they're kind of in thismiddle ground trying to
establish the Republic of Texas.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah, and we also just need to add that there was
also a little bit of Mexicanincentive to move down to this
Texas area, and it wasn't justfull on slavery abolition at
this moment, because obviouslythe Civil War hadn't happened
and Lincoln wasn't in office,but the Northern States were
already doing abolitionmovements to get rid of slavery.
Then Mexico like so peoplewould move down to Mexico

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legally and illegally, like forpeople like James Madison that
were profiting off of it.
And then they also had thisother shift with, like cultural
differences and the illegalsthat were coming down there
really kind of startedexacerbating all the issues.
Because in 1835, mexicoexperienced a seismic shift,
triggered by the conservativevictory in elections.

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Now this led to a series ofevents culminating on October
23rd 1835, where the emergenceof new constitutional changes,
known as las yeteles, or sevenlaws, which took place in Mexico
.
So Spanish words sound so muchcooler than English words.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Well, they came first .
Las yeteles, or seven laws.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Now, these changes radically reshaped Mexico's
structure, transitioning from afederalist framework to a
unitary republic, officiallytermed the Mexican Republic.
Yes, president, antonio Lopezde Santa Ana formalized these
changes on December 15th 1835,ushering in a centralized and

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fortified national government,which means a dictatorship.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
All about our dictators on this podcast.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Now the previous constitution, crafted in 1824,
aimed to mirror the UnitedStates political success.
However, a decade of politicalturmoil, economic stagnation and
the looming possibility offoreign invasions led the
conservative forces to pivottowards centralized authority as
a solution.
So these new policies,especially the ban on slavery

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and immigration weird.
It's so funny that Mexico hadthe first constitution.
That was like fuck immigration,you got to get your papers.
Well, because fucking Americanswere just going over there by
the boatload and being like thisis our land.
They were escaping theoppression of the United States
government of abolishing slavery.
Oh God, how dare you.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
How dare you oppress me by not letting me?

Speaker 1 (09:12):
oppress others.
Now this was also coupled withstricter law enforcements and
tariffs, sparking a widespreadtis content among the immigrants
.
When I'm speaking of immigrants, I'm saying the Anglo Americans
who are trying to ridthemselves of America and keep
their slaves.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Now, just for the people, the Anglo Americans.
Exactly what is that?
Where did they come from?

Speaker 1 (09:34):
They're Europeans that moved over and they're part
of the trade.
I mean, this is 1800s, sothey're already like,
established.
So basically, they're peoplethat came over from the American
side into Mexican area of Texasand a lot of this was due to
James Madison, because MexicoTexas Mexican Texas is what it
keeps being called.

(09:54):
What I saw through at thearticles particularly was a home
to a significant population ofthe illegal immigrants from the
United States, with the majorityof them being fucking illegal.
Due to James Madison because hewas profiting off the real
estate that was being sold there.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
I gotta love James Madison.
God, that is the whitestsounding dude.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
He was a president.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
I know, but look at his name, it's just James
Madison.
Of course he was white Ian,that's true, that's true, how
else could you be a president?
Of America.
We've only done thatdifferently one time.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Now, among these immigrants from America to
Mexico, texas, were individualswho brought sizable numbers of
enslaved people, totaling around5000 enslaved people in a
non-native population of alittle bit more than 38,000
people.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
It's a big percentage .

Speaker 1 (10:42):
It really is Now accustomed to a federalist
system that granted themexemptions from Mexican laws,
including permissions forslavery.
These settlers absolutelyfucking hated Mexico's
enforcement of law and itshifted, and it's shift towards
centralization.
So they're just like no, no, no, no, he's a dictator and he
wants progress.
He wants to actually makeMexico profitable and not have

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slaves.
And then also, we have to getpapers to migrate here, even
though this is.
I was here for a week, I belonghere.
Potatoes don't even have dicks.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
What's up with all these dictators going around?
Come on Now, the abolition oflocal exemptions permitting
slavery, negotiated by figureslike Stephen Fuller Austin,
which is AKA the father of Texas.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
The father of Texas Daddy.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
So old Texan unrest right.
So Mexican authorities blamemuch of the tension on United
States immigrants who,undocumented and resistant to
Mexican culture, continued topractice slavery despite its
abolition in Mexico.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, that's a good thing.
America has really learned toembrace change and progress
since this time.
Yeah, man, that's us.
We are really good about justaccepting change.
One united people.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
One united people, one united people.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
One thought.
We're here for all people,right?
Yeah, that's how we worknowadays.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
You'd think so.
In response to the mountinggrievances, Texians clashed with
Mexican troops in October,marking the inaugural official
battle of the Texas Revolution.
Now, the clash was a bittrivial overall, Like the
Mexicans went to retrieve acannon they had lent the
settlers years prior to fend offNative Americans, and then the
Texians yelled at the Mexicanscome and take it.

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There were either one or twoMexican deaths and a Texian left
with a bloody nose.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Ooh, I don't know if they ended up successfully
getting that cannon either.
I don't think they did.
That sounds about right.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Now Santa Ana.
Aiming to suppress theAnglo-American immigration rebel
sorry, the Anglo-Americanimmigrant rebellion mobilized a
significant force called theArmy of Operations in Texas.
However, this force was mostlyinexperienced recruits, many of
whom who had been, you know,forcibly conscripted.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, part of that whole dictator.
Yeah, I was going to say thatthat rolls right on back to that
dictatorship.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Those damn potato penises, man.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Hey, you want to be in the Army?
No, not really.
I've got a lot of farming to do.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Welcome to the Army.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Here's your rifle you start today.
The Texians steadily overcamethe Mexican troops stationed in
Texas, and they had gotten apretty big victory when General
Martín Perfecto de Cossurrendered on December 9th
after the siege of Bexar.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Well, that wasn't very perfect though of them.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
I know I kept this David there because I'm like
it's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
His parents really had the audacity to be like,
yeah, Martin's perfect.
I actually know if that's whatthat means.
That's just my English speaking.
It's Martín Martín Perfecto deCos.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
At this point the Texian army was mainly made up
of recent arrivals, primarilyillegal immigrants, once again
from the United States.
Just going to continue hittingthat on the head.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
That needs to be hit on the head because we need to
get these goddamn immigrants outof our goddamn country.
Huh, does that sound familiar?
Does that ring true to anybodyout there?
Have you heard?

Speaker 1 (14:08):
that before.
I was just wondering.
Now, many original Texansettlers, who were unprepared
for the prolonged conflict, hadtaken off and left the area.
They saw what was happening,they read the writing on the
wall and they're like nope Me asfuck, that would be me.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah, no, no, I'm going to go back to Florida.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Wait wait, wait.
The Mexicans want their shitback.
They don't like slavery.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
How many of them?

Speaker 1 (14:33):
They want progress.
Oh, there's a lot more than ushere.
That's where I would be likethat would be.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
my thing is like I'm outnumbered as fuck.
Let's fucking tip out.
It doesn't matter if I agreewith them or not.
If I'm outnumbered, I'm out ofthere.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Now Santa Ana was pissed off by what he perceived
as a US interference in Mexicanaffairs, so he declared that
foreign immigrants fighting inTexas were pirates forbidding
the taking of prisoners, whichis crazy, which is one hell of a
thing that they definitely keptto do.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Well, what's?

Speaker 1 (15:07):
even better is this next part.
This decree was delivered in astrongly worded letter to the US
president, Andrew Jackson,although it was not circulated
at all.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
To his credit.
I mean, if you were thepresident, like would you tell
your troops hey, by the way, I'msending you here and if you get
caught they're going to killyou?

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Well, the thing is is , he doesn't care at this point,
because Texas ain't a US colony.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
I didn't even think of that.
He doesn't give a shit.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
He's like fuck these guys.
He goes there's like maybe athousand guys down there,
whatever.
Now, it's doubtful that thethat most US recruits in the
Texian army were aware of this.
No prisoners of war policy.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
They became aware real quick.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Real quick.
The thing is, what like thepurpose was was like hey, we
sent a letter to your presidentsaying we're going to fucking
kill you if you stay here.
And did you know that?
Did you know that Did?

Speaker 2 (16:01):
you know that.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
You're president that you're evading could have
protected you, but you fuckedhim over, yeah.
With taxes and keeping yourfucking slaves?
Yeah, wow.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
So as Mexican troops vacated San Antonio, texian
soldiers seized the Mexicangarrison at the Alamo mission.
Originally a Spanish religiousoutpost, the Alamo had been
converted into a makeshift fortafter the expulsion of the
Mexican army.
The Alamo was super illequipped to face an artillery
equipped army.
So it covered like about threeacres with almost 1,300 feet of

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perimeter.
The compound had an interiorplaza flanked by the chapel and
the one story low barracks tothe south, and then it was
connected by a wooden palisade.
The two-story long barracksextended north from the chapel,
while a cattle pen and a horsecorral occupied the northern
corner.
I hope you guys were drawing amap while.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
I was doing that.
Try to give you a nice pictureof what's happening here.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah Well, you got to draw it, you know.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
To really understand, the biggest part about this
first finish, finish, finishyeah.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
So the walls, which were nine to 12 feet high and at
least 2.75 feet thick, enclosethe entire complex.
To compensate for the absenceof fire firing ports, texian
engineer Greenby Jamisonconstructed catwalks allowing
defenders to shoot over thewalls, though this left them
exposed.
What's hilarious about that isit didn't just leave them
exposed, it was like they werewaist high.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, they were super high.
Yeah, they were like waist highon these guys, like why'd you
build it that high?
You literally could have justlowered it two feet and saved so
many.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Well, they probably would have ended up dead anyway.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
They would have dead up.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, but they would have killed a lot more of the
Mexican army.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
You know what I mean.
They would have not been pickedoff nearly as easy.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
No, and additionally 19 cannons abandoned by the
Mexican forces were installedalong the walls, including a
large 18 pounder brought by theNew Orleans Grays, positioned in
the southwest corner.
Jay, when you say 18 pounder,like the cannon was 18 pounds,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, 18 pounder or small cannon they probably fired
18 pound cannonballs, yeah,yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah, okay, I was like, that's a really small
cannon.
It's like a little packet size,when it just kind of goes pew,
pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, shootsoff like one chopped up
horseshoe, and that's called itgood.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
That's what I mean when I say 18 pounder yeah.
So, it's the size of thecannons that can be fit into
there.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, so Jameson confident.
Is this the same guy thatJameson is named after?
Because that's an Irish one?
No, it's Green B Jameson.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Ah okay, he's an engine.
He's a Texian engineer, allright.
So, jameson, he's the one thatconstructed the catwalks.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, that were too tall, so everybody looks at that
looks at that and is like, yeah, we'll trust this guy with our
fucking artillery.
Jameson confidently claimed toTexian Army commander Sam
Houston that their artillerycould overcome a tenfold force.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Bullshit Wrong, bullshit Incorrect, incorrect
assumption.
He was so wrong.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Now maybe if it was used properly it might have
stood a little bit more of achance, but like it just didn't
have ammunition.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
No, they didn't have enough fucking go-outers.
They didn't go out to fuckingcollect ammunition, they just
kind of huddled there and sentlike one or two guys.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
They wasted half of it on fucking warning shots.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
So by January 6th 1836, the Texian garrison at the
Alamo faced pretty shittycircumstance.
Pretty shitty, With fewer than100 soldiers and severely
limited provisions that would beso scary to be them.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Cause you're just there.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
And there's 99 of your other buddies.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, and it's not what it is now.
Now there's a huge, thrivingcity around the, around the
Alamo.
Back then there was nothing.
It was the Alamo and then acouple little.
It was like a little village.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
I just think 100 Texians up on the wall, 100
Texians.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Damn, take one down, pass it around 99.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Texians up on the wall.
Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Take one down, put a musket to their face.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, just blow their fucking head off and take no
prison.
Every cent of the song rightthere.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Now acting commander, colonel James C Neal, sent out
for help because they only had100 people there and they're
like uh, we need more men.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Now they only got like 99.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
So he sent people out urging for additional troops
and supplies.
Now they do have 99.
However, the Texian governmentwas a disarray at this time,
with internal conflicts overarmy command making any subnet,
making any substantialassistance to the Alamo
Absolutely impossible.
Yeah, cause there was differentgroups, like everywhere.
Well, because so is what'sbasically happening at this

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point is the little squirmishhappen where the Mexican troops
tried to skirmish, squirmish.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
They were squirming around.
You saw me sipping my wine andthen almost have it come out my
nose when you squirmish it.
Such a cute name.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
They got the.
They got the.
They were going after that onecannon.
The Texians were like no, comeand take it.
They got into a fight, theykilled two Mexicans.
Santa Ana was like boom, texasrevolution happening now.
And we're taking back ourfucking land.
And the Texians are like, oh,we need to establish our own
government.
And that's where, like DavidCrockett and these guys come in
and they're like we could bepresident of the Texas area.

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Yeah, that's what they wantedto be, except they wanted to be
fucking called emperor of Texasor some shit.
And then it's such a Texanthing.
And then, um, texan fans, welove you to death.
So that's kind of where they'reat now.
Is the people, because a lot ofthese, um, uh, texian army
soldiers are family members ofpeople who are fighting for the

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Mexican army.
So they're like there isrelationship, blood that is,
between these people.
Yeah, so that's kind of wherewe're at right now.
Just to kind of give you alittle bit of a sum up and catch
up here Now.
And so that's why the Texiangovernment was under disarray,
because they're like I want tobe the emperor.
No, I want to be the emperor, Iwant to be the king, I want to
be the monarch Now, amid thisturmoil, neil sought help from

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Sam Houston, but due toinsufficient manpower, houston
only sent out Colonel JamesBowie With 30 men to retrieve
the Alamo artillery anddismantle the fort.
Because at this point they'relike okay, like this isn't going
to be a good spot, like it'snot meant for battle.
Yeah so, but however,logistical constraints prevented

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the removal of the artillery.
Bowie eventually recognized thestrategic importance of the
location and emphasized toGovernor Henry Smith that
relinquishing the Alamo to SantaAna would compromise Texas's
defense.
So that's why they stuck out atthis really shitty defense
point.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
And it wasn't a great spot, it's just the actual fort
itself was terrible.
Yeah, it was fucking like itwas thrown together overnight,
almost Exactly.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
It was all for thick, but not that thick, and they're
like okay, there's a hundredmen down there, what do we do?
Do we just send a bunch ofresources down there Provisions,
more men, cattle, food, ammo,more guns, more cannons or do we
just tell them to get the fuckout of there and we'll just set
up a defense at a better defensespot?
And they're like well, this ispretty strategic to us.

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And so they're like, okay,we'll fight.
At this point, bowie and Neilvowed to defend the Alamo at all
costs.
Efforts to reinforce thegarrison weren't looking too
great because, with only a smallgroup of volunteers volunteers
arriving, including William BTravis and the renowned David
Crockett- what do you mean?

Speaker 2 (23:10):
they weren't looking too great, cooper, they had
catwalks.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
They had catwalks.
They had catwalks.
Green B Jameson is over there,like I built that I did that.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
We're going to fucking die Now.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
I'm going to go.
On February 11th, neil left togather reinforcements and
supplies, transferring commandto Travis, but the volunteer
dominated garrison wasn't tookeen about accepting him as
their leader.
Apparently, travis was kind ofan asshole, yeah, and so instead
they elected James Bowiebecause he was like such a

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fucking phenomenal fighter.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, he's the warrior's man.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, exactly so.
This caused some initialtension in the camp, and so
eventually Bowie agreed to sharecommand with Travis.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
He's not all brute he does have some brain.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Well, he's like fine, we can just be co-captain,
co-captain.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
And then he like whispers, to like his right hand
man.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
He's like but really I'm fucking running the show.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
We know who the fuck's in charge here, man,
uh-huh.
So meanwhile, santa and amaster sizeable force at the San
Luis Potosi, yes, yes,increasing his army to over
6,000 soldiers by the end of1835.
That's a lot of soldiers, it'sa lot Compared to the Alamo.
See the amount of people.
Santa Ana chose an inland routeto march his men towards Bexar,

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training his forced recruitsduring the journey.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Now Bexar is the county right below the Alamo,
which is now all basically SanAntonio, texas, right, right.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
The Mexican army encountered difficulties
including shortage of supplies,desertions by teamsters and
harsh weather conditions, withtemperatures hitting record lows
and heavy snowfall.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
I don't know if y'all have ever spent a winter in a
desert.
It's fucking cold and miserableit is.
It is so horrible, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Well, certain deserts , nine times always miserable in
the desert, yeah, yeah, certaindeserts, for sure that, this
area being one of them.
Now, illnesses like dysenteryand raids by the Comanche groups
took a toll on the soldiersthat were marching.
That's so scary, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
They're just getting raided by Comanches, comanches
coming at you.
You got dysentery happening.
You got just all these.
I mean snow in the whole time.
Snow in the whole time.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yes, yes, so on February 21, santa Ana's
vanguard approached the MedinaRiver, 25 miles from Bexar.
Now, unaware of the impendingthreat, the majority of the
Alamo, garrison and Bexarresidents were engaged in a
celebration.
Santa Ana attempted to seizethe unprotected Alamo, but a
sudden downpour prevented theraid.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah, they were just out there partying.
They didn't know what washappening.
They're like, hey, we'repartying, we can do shit.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, wasn't the party kind of in celebration of
a homeboy taking charge?

Speaker 1 (25:48):
I remember there was no there was a news of another,
because this was not the onlybattle that was happening at the
time.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Right.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Texas Revolution.
There was another one and theTexans had beaten another famous
general, Mexican general.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yes, somewhere to the west?

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yes, yeah, and so that the news had just reached
them that day, and so theypartied that night, and if it
wasn't a rain, santa Ana wouldhave just came in clean house
right there.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
If you say one thing about Texans, man, they always
are looking for an excuse toparty.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Are they?
Is that, is that accurate?

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Apparently they're like oh, somebody won a battle
200 miles away from here.
Fuck yeah, let's get drunk.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Essentially, essentially, which is kind of
funny because they knew thatthese guys were on their way
because the whole town isevacuated and they're like let's
get fucked up One more night.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
One more night.
Let's hit the town.
Surely they won't get here thisquick.
Let's raid the empty saloon.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
So on the morning, on the early morning of February
23rd, people started leavingBexar because they were scared
of the Mexican army that was onits way.
Travis wasn't completelyconvinced, so he had a soldier
watch from the San FernandoChurch Tower, which was the
highest spot in the area for anysigns of the army.
A few hours later, texansscouts said that they saw the

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Mexican troops about one and ahalf miles outside of town.
Up to this point they hadn'treally prepared for a long fight
, which why they knew that theywere like down people.
They knew that they didn't haveprovisions and they're like.
They just were so slow aboutshit.
And well, honestly, the Mexicangovernment, or the Texan
government attempted governmentat the time was all in disarray,
so they couldn't do shit.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Right.
I mean once they were therecould have done a little bit,
though, like it could have atleast gotten the cows inside
before this moment.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, they could have done a few things.
It just I feel like they had alot more time to prepare and
they didn't do it well, you know.
So some Texans rushed to getcattle inside of the Alamo and
other search and food for foodin the empty houses that were
left behind.
Some of the garrison folks whohad been living in the town
brought their families with themwhen they went to the Alamo,

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but some of the other garrisonmembers didn't show up for their
duty.
Most of the guys workingoutside the Bexar didn't try to,
didn't try to sneak past theMexican lines and just headed
for safe ground.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
To be fair, like what are you going to do?
Be like hey guys, excuse me,oops, sorry, let me just bump
through here.
Yeah, no, I'm just headed overthere to my army.
Just headed over there to myarmy, don't pay me no mind.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Because it's what uh Santana was doing essentially
with his army was he wasencircling the entire Alamo,
yeah, and so he just likeeverything was starting to get
cut off and people who wereoutside that point when he came
in, because he was just sneakingalong through the night, and by
this point they're like there'sa fucking army between us and
the Alamo.
Guess, I'm going this way, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
I mean, what else are you really gonna do?
Start?

Speaker 1 (28:41):
a ride.
No, you're gonna die.
You're gonna die or you'regonna get taken prisoner and
nobody's getting taken prisoner.
So yeah, but they probablydidn't know that yet though.
Yeah, so they are cowards.
Those cowards.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
So by late afternoon about 1500 Mexican soldiers were
in Bexar.
Okay, get that.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
We went from 6,000 down to 1500.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
1500.
On this fucking march.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
And that's because, not, that's not just deaths,
that's obviously because ofdesertions and things like that,
but that's mostly a big part.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, most of these people were brand new recruits
or forcibly conscribed into thearmy Right, so not a lot of
people were like, hey, yeah,let's do this battle.
Most people like get me thefuck out of here.
Yeah, like why am?

Speaker 2 (29:21):
I here.
So when the Mexican troopsraised a red flag, which meant
no mercy, travis shot the Alamosbiggest cannon in response
towards the flag.
Now, bowie, the other leader,didn't like how quickly Travis
did that, so we sent Green BJameson.
Green B Jameson, this fuckingguy, bro, this fucking guy.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
You guys won't believe the engineering I am.
You actually see my fuckingcatwalk.
You think you're gonna beat uswith this kind of a catwalk?
Good, my men, look over there.
You can see their full body.
Oh fuck, you can see their fullbody Shit.
What's the average?

Speaker 2 (29:53):
height of a Texian.
So he said Green B Jameson totalk to Santa Anna.
Now Travis got mad that Bowiedid this without asking, so he
sent his own guy, Captain AlbertMartin, to talk to.
This is so.
It's just a measuring of dicksand then and then fucking using
messenger men.
Yeah, and the Mexican dude overhere is just like what?

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What the fuck is happening withyou people?
These two guys are juststanding there like we're in
charge, we're the I'm the guy,no, I'm the guy Like come on,
man.
So both guys talked to ColonelJuan Alamonte and Jose Bartres.
Alamonte Alamonte, not AlamonteAlamonte said that the Texian
asked, or the Texians asked, tosurrender, respectfully, but

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they were told that surrenderhad to be total.
When Bowie and Travis found out, they both aligned their dicks
and agreed to fire the cannonagain towards the red flag
Instead of swinging them at eachother.
They just started helicopteringon the fucking parapet up there.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Here's my confusion, though At this point, when these
two guys go out to meet thesetwo colonels, they have to see
the size of the army and theyonly have like a few hundred
people Like like yeah, turn andrun Turn and run at this point.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Like because at the end of the story.
That's not honorable.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
But at the other story, they're all dead, they're
all dead.
Didn't pan out Well foreverybody.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
A little bit of a spoiler alert.
So during the first night ofthe siege not really much
happened, right but?
But through the next few nightsthe Mexican soldiers got closer
and closer to the Alamo walls.
They were actually likeliterally sneaking their
artillery closer and closerevery single night which is kind
of funny.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
It's kind of scary, to be honest, super creepy, like
you go to bed, and then youwake up the next day and the
cannons are so much closer, like50 yards closer, yeah,
terrifying.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Each night the Mexican army would reposition
their cannons and fire them thenext day.
So more than 200 cannonballshit the Alamos Plaza within the
first week.
The Texians fired their cannonsback, which was kind of fucking
dumb.
But Travis eventually told themto save their ammo, which was
smart.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
They didn't have a lot of ammo.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
No, that is in limited supply.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Now, on February 24th , Bowie got really sick.
I don't know from what, but hegot sick and Travis took over as
the leader.
Later that day, two Mexicanscouts were killed, marking the
first deaths of the siege.
The next morning, around 200 to300 Mexican soldiers went
across the San Antonio River andhid in empty shacks near the

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Alamo walls.
Some Texians actually spottedthem and went out to burn the
shacks while they were inside,and the other members from the
Alamo started shooting at thehouse to keep them in there
while they were trying to burnit down.
Got it Fucking scary.
War is terrifying, terrifying.
After a fight.
After that fight lasted acouple of hours, the Mexican

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soldiers went back to Bexar.
No one was killed, it seemslike.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Oh no, I was going to say yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, sorry.
In total six Mexicans werekilled, four were hurt, but no
Texians got hurt in that one.
Yeah, kind of had the upperhand because they're like, hey,
well, they were just shootingover their wall.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
You know with their upper half of their body exposed
.
It's so much room to stand.
Yeah, they had a couple guysout there lighting fires like I
mean, come on.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Now the weather plays a condition in here, because on
February 25th they got fuckingcold, cold, cold, and neither
side was ready for it.
I bet you he got pneumonia.
Honestly, it sets the perfectconditions to get it.
Yeah, I bet you he gotpneumonia, because he ends up
dying in his bed, sick,basically they.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
there's a few ways that they think that he's.
Yeah, it's a convoluted thingwith his death, but yeah, keep
going.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Now the Texans tried to get firewood, but the Mexican
soldiers stopped them.
They're like no, no, no, no, no, you deal with that Like you're
going to deal with your coldtonight.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
And honestly what?
Why didn't they bring firewood?
Why did they cut down some ofthe fences?

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, like anything.
There was so much preparationthat could have been done, but
you know that this long standingconflict is on its way.
You know what I mean.
Like you know it's on its way.
Why did you not prepare?
Why were you partying the nightbefore?
What the?
They didn't teach me any ofthis in fucking middle school.
They were like they were sobrave.
No, they were fucking stupid.
They were most stupid and verybrave.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Most of these people at the Alma were volunteers and,
like new recruits, I'm talkingabout the leadership.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Oh, basically well, that's.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
It's all big dick swinging contest on the Texan
side, exactly, everybody wantsto be the fucking leader,
everybody's probably.
I mean the internal conflictthat was probably happening
between the men during this timewas probably insane yeah
because there's probably 50% ofthe men want this guy, 50% want
this guy.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
It's like its own little skirmish inside of the
walls.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
You know what I mean.
We can't take down the fence.
The cows will get everywhere inhere and I'll step and shit
will fire in my rifle ball,being waist high above the wall.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
I'd rather step and shit than get a bullet to the
bed.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
I'm just gonna say Now there was a series of small
skirmishes that in the followingdays and by March 1st, nine
Mexicans had died or were hurtand only one Texan had died.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
See so far, so good.
If they could keep that up,they might win.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah, yeah so only like yeah, so they did all right
, they was good, good numbers.
Yeah, they did good numbers onthis point.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
But then things started happening.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Santa Ana placed a company of men to the east of
the Alamo, on the way toGonzalez, which is another town.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, not a person.
No.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
No, I actually misread that when I read the
script the first time andthought it was the different.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Tony Gonzalez from Kansas City Chiefs yeah, tony,
actually from the AtlantaFalcons, I know.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
I still love me some, I do too.
Alamante, and 800 Dragoons werestationed along the road to
Goliath, another town.
Yes, travis kept sendingmessages to these towns asking
for help throughout the thesiege.
So you know, placing those menat those roads made it pretty
hard to get a message out.
It did.
By the end of the first day ofthe siege, santa Ana's troops

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got stronger, with 600 more men,making the Mexican army over
2000 strong.
One of Travis's most famousmessages, written on February
24th, was called Draw the Peopleof Texas and All Americans in
the World.
It was praised as a masterpieceof American patriotism, even
though they weren't Americans.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Even though they did not want to be part of America.
They're like ah, it's waybetter over there.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Shit, shit.
Okay, maybe we should just goback Now.
Copies of this letter wereshared all over Texas and later
reprinted in the United Statesand even in Europe.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
The letter reads To all the inhabitants of Texas.
In a few words, there is 2000Mexican soldiers in Bexar and
150 Americans in the Alamo.
Cessma is at the head of themand, from best accounts that can
be obtained, they intend toshow no quarter.
If every man cannot turn out toa man, every man in the Alamo

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will be murdered.
They have no more than eight or10 days provisions.
They say they will defend it ordie on the ground.
Provisions, ammunition and men,or suffer your men to be
murdered in the fort.
If you do not turn out, texasis gone.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Texas was already trying to be gone.
I'm just gonna say it Texas wasalready trying to get out the
door and now that they're outthe door, oh no.
Trying to get back in and thedoor locked behind them.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
I love how America just reprinted this.
I mean it had to be a politicalstatement at the time of like
look at our men and how theglory and da, da, da, da yeah.
Because, like well, think aboutwhat we were taught in middle
school, oh yeah, Absolutely, andit's just like, praised as a
masterpiece of Americanpatriotism when these men didn't
want to be part of America.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
And they all had slaves.
So as word spread about thesiege across Texas, possible
reinforcements gathered inGonzalez.
See now, that would have been aweird sentence if it was a
person.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Gonzalez was having a good old time.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
So they were waiting for Colonel James Fannin, who
was supposed to come from Goliadwith his soldiers on February
26th.
After a lot of back and forth,fannin ordered 320 men, four
cannons and some supply wagonsto head towards the Alamo, which
was about 90 miles away.
But and here's the kicker thisgroup barely went a mile before
turning back one fucking mile.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
They're like no.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, we're not completely sure what happened.
But?
But Fannin said that theretreat was because of his
officers, and then the officersblamed him for stopping the
mission.
So I'm going to go ahead andsay the officers were probably
telling the truth.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah, oh, I definitely think so.
I think Fannin looked at thisand he goes why am I sending
there's 2000 Mexicans down there?
Yeah, I'm sending 300 men.
No, I'm just going to keepy'all here because I might have
to have a civil war against myown Texian guy, so that I can
get into like a better politicalposition to become the
Presidente or Emperor of Texas.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
I love that term the Emperor of Texas.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
So Texians in Gonzales didn't know Fannin had
gone back to Goliad, so most ofthem kept waiting.
Travis got impatient and onFebruary 27th he sent Samuel G
Bastion to Gonzales to hurry upthe reinforcements.
Bastion met Lieutenant George CKimball and Travis's courier,
albert Martin, who were tired ofwaiting for Fannin.

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Now when a Mexican patrolattacked these men, four men,
including Bastion, got drivenaway Now in the dark.
The Texians thought theremaining 32 men were Mexican
soldiers, so they fired at them.
One got hurt and when theycursed out in English saying
gosh darn it, gosh darn it,motherfucker, the Texians

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realized their mistake and letthem in.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
It's so fucking funny to be like.
I'm just trying to picture thatmoment in my head and I know
it's not funny.
It's actually kind of scary andsad.
Oh yeah, but it's kind ofcomical, because they're just
shooting at this random group ofmoving shadows and all they
hear is God fucking, damn it,motherfucker.
Well, they didn't really havethat, I know.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
I know it wasn't really around then.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Two hour, modernizing it a little bit, a little bit.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Dang nabba you son of a gun Flabbergast and rabbit
snatchers.
If they did say son of a bitch,that's a real insult of term.
Remember Billy the Kid.
Yeah.
Killed somebody because of it,son of a bitch.
On March 3rd the Texians sawabout 1000 Mexicans come into
Bexar.
The Mexican soldiers celebratedloudly, happily about the

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reinforcements and hearing thenews that Texian colonel Frank W
Johnson had been defeated atthe Battle of San Printerso on
February 27th.
Patricio, patricio, there we go, sorry.
Okay, now with the new soldiers.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
There were nearly 3100 Mexican soldiers in Bexar
against 150 so-called Americans150 people who weren't Mexican
but weren't American, didn'twant to be American, but now
they want to be American again.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
There was like a 20% of them that were Mexican, for
sure, and a few slaves.
Yeah, there were a few slaves,because Santa Ana ends up
sparing one?

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, I know he does it's.
Wasn't it Travis's or was itBowie's slave?
It was one of those two slaves.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
We'll talk about it towards the end, yeah, when we
get there Now.
Travis then sent three guys,including Davy Crockett, to find
Fanon's group, thinking thatthey were still on their way.
Little did they know Fanon wasa bitch and turned his mid
around.
The Scouts found a bunch ofTexians camped 20 miles away
from the Alamo.
Some of these men came fromGoliad after Fanon's mission
stopped, and the rest leftGonzalez a few days earlier.

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Before dawn the next day, onMarch 4th, part of the Texian
group got through the Mexicanlines and went into the Alamo.
They actually don't know howthey made it through the Mexican
line because, like at thispoint, santa Ana had everything
encircled.
And so somehow they snuckthrough the line and these few
guys ended up making it throughand making it into the fort to

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help out.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
They probably just tried to dress as civilians and
just wander through.
I don't think.
No, santa Ana, wasn't it?

Speaker 1 (41:51):
was like a no in no out policy Like it was yeah,
because there were a few timeswhen people did try to actually
come in and Santa Ana was likeno, just like.
Or the soldiers were like no,like, you don't want to be in
there because if you're in there.
You're now pirate, and then wegot to kill you.
Yeah you don't want to be there.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Interesting Wow.
On March 4th Santa Anasuggested attacking the Alamo
after getting reinforcements,but a senior officers thought
they should wait for two bigcannons coming on.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
March 7th.
Yeah, I think they were another18 or 19 pounders.
Yeah, Huge huge.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
That evening a local woman which we think maybe
Boie's cousin in law, juanaNavarro Alsbury.
She tried to talk Santa Anainto letting the Alamo people
surrender.
Now some historians think thisactually made Santa Ana more
impatient.
They said he didn't want aneasy win.
He wanted a big fight for theglory of fucking course.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
The next morning dictator like all over.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah.
The next morning Santa Ana toldhis team they'd attack early on
March 6th.
Now legend says that on March5th Travis told his men about
the attack coming and howoutnumbered they were.
He drew a line and asked who'dfight with him for Texas?
He drew a line in the sand.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he drewa line in the sand.
He really took out the oomph.
I was ramping up.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
I know I'm so sorry.
Do we want to re-reump?

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Now, legend says that on March 5th Travis told his
men about the attack coming andhow outnumbered they were.
He drew a line in the sand andasked who'd fight with him for
Texas.
Supposedly, only one guy, mosesRose, didn't cross the line,
but many historians say thatthis story isn't reliable.
Instead, the actual event wasmore like right before the final

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attack.
Travis just kind of gatheredhis men and told them the
situation was bad, and then hegave them a choice to escape or
stay and fight for Texas.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Yep Sounds way more realistic, way more likely.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
I mean, we all know how drawing a line in the sand
works for every man.
You know what I mean.
Big controversy all this stuff.
James Allen was actually thelast Texian known to have left
the Alamo and he carriedpersonal messages from Travis
and some others on March 5th.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Now, at 10 pm on March 5th, the Mexican artillery
stopped shooting.
Many of the Texians, tired fromthe constant noise, finally
slept without interruption forthe first time in days.
That kind of tired is so realLike your body will just shut
down.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
If you're surrounded by a lot of people trying to
murder you and the only thingthat allows you to sleep is the
ceasefire of cannons, you'reprobably been awake for a long
time and you're going to passthe fuck out.
It was actually super smart on.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Santa Ana's part.
Oh, absolutely, but just pastmidnight more than 2,000 Mexican
soldiers got ready for theirfinal attack.
About 1,800 of them were splitinto four groups.
The more experienced soldierswere on the edges to control the
newer soldiers in the middle.
Hey, quit picking your fuckingnose Barry.
Yeah, it'd be, juan, alright.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yeah, sorry.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Quit picking your fucking nose, juan.
To stop anyone from escaping,500 Mexican cavalry surrounded
the Alamo Santa Ana with 400reserves.
Stayed back in camp, eventhough it was freezing.
The soldiers were told not towear overcoats that could slow
them down.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Which is so fuckingit's like look man,
you're already walking in astraight line just packed in
like sardines, like you're notgoing anywhere quick.
There's no way you're goinganywhere quick.
What is an?

Speaker 1 (45:23):
overcoat going to really do Can't be a worm Now at
5.30 am.
The soldiers moved silentlythrough the night.
One group went to the northwestcorner of the Alamo, while
another group aimed for a holethey'd fixed in the north wall.
The third group marched towardsthe east wall and the fourth
group headed up for the lowerpart, near the chapel Three.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Texian guards outside the walls were killed in their
sleep, letting the Mexicansoldiers sneak close to the
walls without being noticed.
Then everything got loud.
The Mexican soldiers shoutedVIVO, santa ANNA.
And that must have felt so goodfor.
Santa Ana.
He's like, ah yeah, that's me,that's fucking me.
And then thethethebuglers.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Buglers, the buglers, the buglers, they're like
they're brassaged.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Oh yeah, okay, okay, the buglers, the buglers.
Thank you.
I was like what the fuck is abugler, the buglers.
I really hope I'm right on that.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Yeah, you are.
And the buglers roared, yes,and they're meant to sound for
thethe happening of war.
Yeah, it's like the brassinstrument, the horns, so to
speak.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yeah.
Yeah, that was more of like aroyal announcement thing.
Oh, that's what you were doing,yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
That's not how it happened to you it was really
good man.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
So the noise woke the Texians up.
Imagine that Most noncombatantshuddled together in the church
to stay safe.
Travis rushed to his post,yelling for everyone to get
ready to fight and to not giveup.
At the start of the attack,mexican troops had some trouble.
Their formation meant only thesoldiers in the front rows could
safely fire.
But the new recruits didn'tknow the risks and just went

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ahead and shot their gunswithout aiming that much
Sometimes they're.
Sometimes they would end upshooting their own men in the
back of their fucking heads.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
That were in front of them.
Yeah, there was a lot of this.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Imagine being a Texian on the wall.
You know waist high and we justlook out and you see the front
rows of these fucking golemsjust collapsing with the back of
their heads bulged her outbecause they're just getting
shot by their own people.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Yeah, and keep in mind, you're not getting shot
with, like a modern bullet, no,you're getting shot with a
musket ball.
Yeah, little shrapnel bitsessentially Just going into you
from behind.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
So the Texians actually ended up using anything
metal they could find as ammofor their cannons, since they
didn't have canister shot left.
They even used door hinges,nails and chopped up horseshoes.
Hence my statement earlier.
The Texian cannons hit hard,replicating the blast of a
ginormous, motherfucking shotgunTaking out tons of the Mexican

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soldiers.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
So some of the eyewitness accounts and gosh
darn it what.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
You see somebody get blasted by a door hinge.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Oh, they said that it would just take out like a
whole flank of men just becauseof all the shrapnel that just
shot out.
It's I mean.
Canons are scary, bro.
It's scary and when you're just, it reminds me of the Pirates
of the Caribbean scene whenthey're just throwing the
fucking silverware in the cannonand shooting it and like the
fork gets suckered in front ofthe guy's face.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Or it gets stuck in his glass eye or whatever it is
right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Classic.
So that's what was happening tothese Mexican soldiers.
Hopefully, none of them hadglass eyes Right Now.
Although some Mexican soldiersat the front hesitated, the ones
behind them pushed on which, bythe way, I don't know if this
is in the I don't think this isin the script, but when they
would do this, it created acrush effect.

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Oh yeah, because the ones atthe front started trying to turn
back a little bit or slow down,and then the ones behind kept
pushing, so they kept crushingup like sardines and they just
kept unloading cannons into thefucking crowd and it just
casualties, casualties,casualties, casualties,
casualties.
and they're just maiming and allof this stuff happening inside
of this cannon sardinesAccidentally getting bayoneted,
yeah, exactly.

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Accidentally getting bayoneted,but because it's a crush effect
.
We all know what happened tothe Travis Scott concert.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, now multiply that by abunch of dudes with fucking
bayonets and shrapnel gettingshot at them from the cannon.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
I don't know how to fire a rifle.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Yeah, and then they're getting blasted from
behind.
It was just not a good look forthe Mexican.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
This is probably why, oh man, we're going to get into
it at the end.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
They're just so lucky that they had so many fucking
people, because if they didn't,they would have just been fucked
yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
They were upset too, and we'll talk about that at the
end.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah, so the Mexicans were basically up to the walls
and the Texians had to lean overthe walls to shoot.
Thank God they were waist high,Because the other ones they
wouldn't have been able to dothat.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Oh no, jay, you know what Green B Jameson was really
thinking that God he really was.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
That's what he was thinking of.
He's like well, no, they'll getto the wall.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
That's what it is.
We got to lean over and shootthem down that way.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Yeah, so that made them very easy targets for the
Mexican soldiers, becauseliterally the Mexican soldiers
at the bottom of the wall justlooking straight up and they see
a head poke over.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
They're like blast them.
So anyways, I started blasting.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
That's a good dick.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Now, travis was shot actually while fighting atop the
wall, because his upper half ofhis body was exposed and fell
to the ground outside of theAlamo, so he basically kind of
toppled over the wall with thatshot.
Now some stories, of course,say that he managed to draw his
sword and kill a Mexican soldier.
I even read one when I wasdoing my research.
That was like he killed fivemen on his way down and then two

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more after hitting and.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
I'm like that's just not the case, that's just
exactly false.
But I would believe if he gotup and killed one that's just
randomly charged.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Yeah, one or two, you know, because he is a badass.
Don't get me wrong, he's stilla badass.
But also he's also just gotshot and then fell nine feet
down to the ground.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
He's basically falling into the Mexicans, where
they all have bayonets.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Yeah, he got skewered .
We all know what happened?

Speaker 1 (50:57):
He died, yeah, very fast, very fast and bad.
Oh god, that would suck.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah, well, at least it was fast I guess At least it
was fast.
So, yeah, he ended up dyingfrom the gunshot wound or
bayonets or whatever.
It was Bad death, bad death,quick death.
Yes, the few Mexican soldierswho climbed up the ladders were
quickly killed or pushed back.
Now, as Texians tried to reloadtheir guns, they actually
struggled to keep the Mexicansoldiers from climbing the wall,

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because there were so many ofthem, so many, it's like.
It's like.
It's like the zombie movie withBrad.
Pitt See something, but we allknow the one with Brad Pitt,
where there are all the zombiesare climbing on top of each
other.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yeah Now.
Mexican soldiers keptwithdrawing, regrouping and
trying to scale the walls again,but failing.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
I feel like failing here is like falling backwards
onto bayonets.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Onto.
Yeah, like failing is death.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Yeah, kind of or just getting lucky and not dying.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
And not dying and getting the wind knocked out of
you or just falling on.
I mean, it's just not funny.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
I just don't want to be in war ever.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
No, right now is the best time to be alive.
Yeah, unless you're in for somepeople.
Yeah, yeah, unless you're withthe 33 countries that are
currently in active war.
Yeah, that's a lot of them.
Now, about 15 minutes into thefight, they attacked a third
time and had some success.
One group aiming for the eastwall was hit by cannon fire and

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moved north, joining anothergroup that was attacking the
north wall.
The soldiers at the north wallsaw the weak spots in the wall
and started climbing up.
When Santa Ana noticed thatmost of his army was at the
north wall, he got a littleworried and sent his reserves.
So he had 400 reserves.
Keep that in mind.
Yeah, some Mexican soldiersclimbed through the west wall's
gunholes, which were not wellguarded at this time, because

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the men in the Alma were spreadthin yes, like super thin.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Yeah, I mean, there's only 150 people basically
defending this.
Defending against 2,000 men.
Over a thousand foot per what,was it?
13,000 foot per meter orsomething like that.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
It's super big, yeah it needed to be smaller if they
were really going to do it.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yeah, it was not very thermopoly of them.
No, it really was not.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
As the Texians left the north and parts of the west
wall, those on the south endaimed their cannons north and
shot at the Mexican soldiers.
But that left the south endopen and the Mexicans saw that
and took advantage, super quick,scaled those walls and they
killed the remaining gunners andtook control of the 18 pound
cannon that was sitting there.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Meanwhile another group of men, not another 18
pound cannon.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Oh no, it's an 18 pound cannon ball.
I'm just now imagining themrunning around with little mini
cannons.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Like that cannon gun that you get on your arm in
Assassin's Creed sometimes whereit's just a little cannon on
your arm Now.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
meanwhile, another group of men took the east wall
and came in through the cattlepin as planned.
Most of the Texians retreatedto the barracks in Chapel where
holes had been made in the wallto shoot from.
Some Texians along the westwall tried to escape toward the
San Antonio River.
When the cavalry charged atthem, they found cover from a
ditch and started fighting andshooting them from there, but

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they were eventually outnumberedand killed.
This clash evolved 50 Texians,though some historians believe
that number was exaggeratedbecause that's a lot of men
running.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yeah to lose it.
Well, that's a third of theirguys.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
I mean it could have been.
They did get sectioned off atthis point, Like Alamo was
getting taken over, and so therecould have been a whole chunk
of guys that were like this iswe have to run.
So, I mean it's possible thatit could have been probably
anywhere from 20 to 50 dudesover there.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Yeah, 20 to 50.
Now others who were in thecattle pin moved into the horse
corral.
After firing their guns, theytried to escape over the low
wall.
They ran behind the church anddashed towards the empty East
Prairie.
When Mexican cavalry chasedthem, almaro Dickinson and his
team turned a cannon around andfired at the cavalry, causing a
bit of damage, but despite theirefforts, all of the escaping

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Texians were killed, which isthey're running away with the
cannon.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Yeah, like, yeah, like, that's Well drop the
cannon Go for speed Wait theywere running with the cannon.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
I don't think they were running with the cannon.
I think they were gettingcovering fire from a cannon
Right.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
I don't.
I don't Maybe, because that'scrazy.
Why would they bring the cannon?
Maybe they didn't, I don't know.
It was Alamond.
I don't know if Alam Shit Ishould have looked him up, mr
Dickinson.
I don't know if he and his teamturned a cannon around and
fired at the cavalry.
We're just Okay, we're justgonna assume you're probably
right, because why, the fuckwould they be dragging a cannon

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along with them?

Speaker 2 (55:44):
I don't think they would be.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Okay, we're gonna go with that, we're gonna go with
that thought.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
But then Crockett and his men, davy Crockett.
They were the last group tostay outside defending the low
wall in front of the church.
When they couldn't reload, theyused their rifles as clubs and
fought with their knives.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Honestly, this part is just To be in that situation.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
I mean, what are you?

Speaker 1 (56:04):
gonna do, you're just gonna fight till you die.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
essentially, I mean you do Thought you could do.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
They do, but I mean just the ment Like the mentality
of.
Has to be so Like I don't evenknow where you're meant to stay.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
A million miles an hour.
I mean, I'm sure everybody wasin a different place mentally,
but essentially your brain hasnow made the shift of I might
make it to I'm dead, and nowyou're in fireflies.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Yeah, you're just, you're in complete survival
instinct at this point.
Yeah, 100%, because there's noother choice.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Those dudes must have had the look of a starving bear
in their fucking eyes.
Man, oh gosh, it's a scarythought.
So after Mexican soldiers firedand attacked with bayonets, the
few remaining Texians from thisgroup fell back towards the
church.
The Mexican army now hadcontrol of all the outer walls
and most of the Alamo, exceptfor the church and some rooms

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along the east and west walls.
Was I know it's?
I don't believe they knowexactly where Crockett ended up
dying.
Right, Right, they didn't.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Yeah, well, I mean they.
It's likely that it was the.
Here, though, is where it waslikely to have happened Exactly.
There's other assumptions, butit's there's no proof to it
Right Right.
Um now.
Mexican soldiers went after aTexian flag flying from one of
the buildings.
Four Mexicans were killedbefore they removed the Texian
flag and raised the Mexican flag.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Us humans are fucking symbols bro.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
It's all about flags man.
It's all about flags.
That's why we colonize so well.
We showed up to a native tribeand we're like Do you have a
flag?
Can we colonize the moon?
Yes, France's flag.
This place is now France.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
And now it's New Orleans, and and now it's New
Orleans.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Hahaha.
So For about an hour, theMexican army worked to take
complete control of the Alamo.
Many of the remaining Texianswere hiding in the fortified
barracks rooms.
Confused and rushed, theTexians forgot to sabotage their
cannons before retreating.
Mexican soldiers pointed thesecannons at the barracks and they

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blew each fucking door offAfter they did.
After they blew the door off,they came in, fired a volley of
musket, shots into the darkrooms and then charged in with
their bayonets for hand-to-handcombat and killing whoever
remained in these barracks.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Yeah, yeah, that's something that I read quite a
bit.
There's a lot of differenttheories on exactly what went
down during this exact moment,but regardless it was disgusting
and bad Because, keeping inmind, because, they're in the
dark, hand-to-hand.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Yeah, and these Mexicans, they're not only
getting shot by the Americans orthe Texians, they're also
accidentally getting killed bytheir own men.
Yeah, and then they're probablypissed off at these new
recruits, pissed off at SantaAnna for bringing them along,
and then pissed off for all theother deserters that came along
the way.
And they're getting.
All these experienced guys aregetting punished for this.

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So the rage that must have beengoing through their mind.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Yeah, so they're just charging in like KRAAAA
KAMEHAMEHOOOO.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Hahaha, it's just insane.
Now, buoy, he was the one thatgot sick earlier and he was
still too sick to fight and helikely died in his bed.
But there are different storiesIn the barracks.
In the barracks, yeah.
Now there are different storiesabout how he died.
Some say that Mexican soldiersbayoneted him and then carried
him out of his room alive, whileothers claim he shot himself or

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was killed by soldiers whiletoo weak to move.
I don't think he would haveshot himself.
I don't know, maybe Now mostpeople think that he died
sitting against a wall using hispistols and knife for
protection.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
I feel like that's probably how it went down, or he
was just too sick to even beconscious during this and
actually they just killed him.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
I mean they probably just walked into the fucking
room and shot him.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Or didn't even know who the fuck he was.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Yeah, he probably got like one shot off, and then
they probably shot him andbayoneted him for good.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Yeah, when I say that that's likely, that he used his
pistols and knife forprotection, it didn't provide
him much fucking protection.
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
So it's probably.
His body was probably mutilatedjust about as much as that one
guy at Black Hawk Down.
Oh, so the last taxi in to diewere the 11 men at the two
cannons in the chapel.
A shot from the 18 pound cannondestroyed the barricades at the
front of the church and Mexicansoldiers came in, started

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shooting and Dickinson's crewfired their cannon but couldn't
reload fast enough.
They grabbed and fired theirrifles before they were
bayoneted to fucking death.
So much bayonetting it's I God.
I would hate to be bayoneted.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Yeah, because they're just getting stabbed a bunch of
times.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
What's the movie 1884 ?
I don't know.
We watched it.
No, it's the oh, it's the onewhere everything's shot.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
You just went through so many things right there.
I know you just went through somany things.
I think it's 1884.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
And it's about World War I, I think, or something
happening in Germany.
Anyways, it's one film, it'sone shot, the entire film, and
there's so much bayonetting thathappens and there's a slow
murder that happens at the topof this pole.
God it should bayonetting getlike it just sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
We didn't watch this together.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
No, we watched all quiet in the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Western Crop.
That's what I was thinking.
That's the one that I've seen.
Yeah, that one was also whoo,that one is crazy, because you
realize it, because it likewe're not nope, nope, nope,
sorry.
That's too much of a sidebar.
That is a side all right, we'rebringing it back bringing it
back.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
These men were bayoneted to death.
In that right, another Texian,robert Evans, tried to stop the
gunpowder from getting into theMexicans' hands.
That was his one job.
Yeah, was to keep it fromgetting into his hands.
So what did he think of doing,cooper?
Well, he was wounded and killedfrom a musket shot to the head,
with his torch inches near thepowder magazine, which means if

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he had succeeded, it would havecaused an explosion that would
have killed everyone hiding inthe church, including the women
and the children.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
But at least those Mexicans wouldn't have the
gunpowder they already haveplenty of.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
I don't know Like he must have just been in a
hysteria of like there, there,like I-.
This was my final order.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Yeah, I need to solve this, honestly.
And that's the only thing on itin his head.
You know, it would have beensuch a sight.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
So could you imagine?
That?
Like sitting back, like fromSanta Ana's perspective,
watching this happen.
You're definitely winning.
Everybody's going in, going in,going in, and then all of a
sudden, boom, fucking explosionjust happened and you're like
and I think we've done it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Well, I think we've won, and hats off to every
soldier we just lost in thatexplosion.
I don't know why he soundedlike an old-timey American there
, but God, that's so crazy assoldiers got close to the sac uh
, Sacristi the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Sacristi or Sacristi It's-.
I couldn't-.
I don't know the pronunciationof this, but this room, it's a
room in a church where thepriest gets ready, Basically
where he molests the newborn.
The rape room.
Yes, yeah, I like that.
We both went there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
So as the soldiers got close to the rape room, they
mistook one of the young boysfor it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, okay,alright, sorry.
I just wasn't expecting thatnext line.
I've read this, it just didn'thit me last time, as soldiers

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got close to the Sacristi, theymistook one of the young boys
for an adult and they ended upkilling him.
And then the last Texian to diein battle might have been Jacob
Walker, who actually tried tohide behind Susanna Dickinson
and then was bayoneted in frontof her.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Susanna Dickinson is one of the she's important in
this whole talk about her.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
I thought it was Bowie's or Travis's wife, wasn't
it?
I think it was Travis's.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, look at me,remember yourself, no no, no, no
, there's a dude.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Fuck Mr Dickinson.
Mr Dickinson died.
I couldn't remember I couldn'tpronounce his first name.
Where's Dickinson?
Dickinson Almorran?
Oh yeah, elmiron Dickinson,he's the one that turned around
and fired at the cavalry beforethe cavalry still killed all the
men in the field.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Yep, yep, yep.
There you go, okay.
And then another Texian,brigido Guerrero, hid in the
sacristy.
He had actually deserted fromthe Mexican army before, and
then he convinced the soldiersthat he was a Texian prisoner,
so they spared him.
What a smart fucking guy.
I mean, at the end of the day,kind of a rat, but smart guy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Yeah, yeah, he's a survivor instinct, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
And, like I said, kind of a rat but smart guy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
I don't blame him.
No, not a rat, he's a cockroach.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Well, the cockroach yeah, that's a better way.
That's a better way of puttingit.
By 6.30 am, the fighting wasdone.
Mexican soldiers checked eachbody, stabbing anybody that
moved, which we've all seen.
The scene in 300 where they'regoing around after the battle
and just stabbing people withspears and just having passive
conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
You know what I mean.
Like, and some guys, like I hadto strain on my calf.
No, not the man.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
I'm glad we did that.
Yep, that was good, that was agood bit.
Yeah, I'm sure they thought sotoo.
Even after all the Texians weredead, some soldiers actually
kept shooting, some killing eachother.
In this confusion, generalsactually tried to stop it, but
it was complete chaos and ittook Santa Anna showing himself

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and the bugles sound for retreatfor the shooting to finally
stop, which finally leave it tothe instrumentalists.
Man, they always know what todo.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Yeah, they were 15 minutes and while this happened,
like the soldiers were justfiring bullets into the dead
bodies yeah, now this is whatI'm talking about is like when
they were getting fired upon bytheir own men.
They're getting crushed againstthe wall because of their own
men pushing them up, yeah, andthen they're getting fucking hit
with these guys like the cannonfodder that, like the cannon

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that's coming at them but it'sfilled with forks and horseshoes
and all sorts of shit and it'slike the rage that had to have
been going on and they're justtaking it out on these bodies.
This is just them likeexpelling all of that emotion
that they that has just beengoing on for the past like 45
minutes to an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
While it's dark and demented and gross when you
think about it, I don't blamethem necessarily.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
No, you're in an animalistic mindset, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
It's just humans being humans in their most
survivalist point.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Yeah, you know what I mean Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
So I don't blame them .
And the aftermath?
Accounts differ on the fate ofseveral Texians who surrendered.
Between five and seven arebelieved to have given up.
Santa Ana, infuriated that hisorders were disobeyed, demanded
their immediate execution.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Yeah, I just yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Santa Ana, despite the victory, seemed dismissive
of the battle's significance.
In his report, he claimed that600 Texians were killed, with
minimal losses on the Mexicanside.
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
That's so funny, but the years were like minimal
losses, minimal losses but, thenumbers, like they vary so much.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
The estimates of Mexican casualties range from 60
to 200 dead and 250 to 300wounded.
However, historians generallyagree that the number was likely
between 400 and 600, asignificant portion of the
assaulting force.
Eyewitnesses counted between182 and 257 Texians killed, with
speculation that at least one,henry Warnell, might have

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escaped, and estimated that over1,000 and 1,600 Mexicans were
killed.
So it's kind of whatever youwant to believe, yeah, but
regardless of what you believe,you do have to say here and I do
want to make a point of sayingthis the 150 to 250 men that
were inside of the Alamo, ifeach one of them killed three
people, these are the numbersyou would see.

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Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
So so, regardless they put up a hell of a fucking
fight.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying islike that.
I think that's why this is sosignificant.
Probably it was a mentalchanging, like a turning tide
for turning tide Turning.
Tide Turning tide's turning,that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
You saw my eyebrows go up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
They are.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
This is definitely a turning point for the mentality
of Americans.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
That's what I was looking at.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
110,000 percent Texians, not Americans, and
Americans because of the widecirculation of the letter.
Yes, that had a bigger impactafter they had all died than
before.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Yeah, Now the bodies of the Mexican soldiers were
buried locally, while theTexians remains were stacked and
burned.
Except for a Gregorio Esparza,his brother, who was on the
Mexican side, secured permissionfor a proper burial from Santa
Ana.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
I do the same thing for you, thanks.
Yeah, but you'd be the one whodies.
I would.
I would live.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
I wouldn't be fighting with a bunch of
assholes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
No, you didn't want slaves, so I guess I guess
neither of us would really behere in this situation.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
There is that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
So the ashes, including those from the funeral
priors, marked peers, nope,pires, You're right, you're
right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
That's totally my bad, yeah,uh-huh.
I said peers and I was like no,a peer goes into water, that's
a different thing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Okay.
So the ashes, including thosefrom the funeral pires marked as
Travis, Crockett and Bowie,were placed in a coffin.
The exact burial site remainsunknown.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
They.
Actually, when I was lookingstuff up, they found a burial
site, they found a spot wherethey think it may have been,
because there was like a somenote that they found, or
something like that, that saidthat they buried this coffin at
the foot of these steps, infront of this church in this one
city.
And when they dug into theground right there to just see,
they found a coffin, but the thecontents weren't exactly what

(01:09:15):
they thought it would be if thiswas the case.
So it's not known whether thatwas the actual coffin or not.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
The exact burial site remains unknown.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
I just thought it was a fun tidbit it is.
It is Cause it definitely couldhave been.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
It's just like how the fuck are we gonna know?
It's like you dig up a timecapsule from 1920 and you're
like, yes, Franklin, BenjaminFranklin buried this.
How the fuck do you know that?

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
I think we do have DNA samples of Benjamin Franklin
.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Oh, you probably have .
He's raking it up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Yeah, yeah, he's raking it up, found a hairbrush
yeah, something like that forhis like four hairs on the front
of that, what we say is to baldmen should have shaved it off.
It's by choice.
Santa Anna spared Travis'sslave, joe.
Joe, that's who I want Now.

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This was in part of an effortto sway other slaves to support
the Mexican government insteadof the Texian rebellion.
After the battle, santa Annaindividually interviewed each
noncombatant Impressed bySusanna Dickinson.
He offered this is so weird, Iknow.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
It's such a like you're a standup woman.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
He offered to adopt her infant daughter, angelina,
and give her an education inMexico City.
However, dickinson was like no.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
And so she received some blankets and two silver
pesos for her troubles.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
That's two, two pesos , two little pesos and a couple
blankets?
I don't know what that wasworth back then?
Probably not very much still.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Now, while Tejano women were allowed to return to
her home in Bexar Dickinson, herdaughter and Joe were sent to
Gonzalez under escort.
Their task was to share thebattle's events and spread the
message that Santa Anna's armywas invincible.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Yeah, I'm sure that's what they did Right when they
got into Gonzalez.
They probably went straight tothe saloon and they were like
guys, we have a supernaturalbeing on our hands.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
That's probably what they said.
Or they walked in and they'relike these guys don't know how
to fight.
They were shooting themselves.
They just had a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
That's probably exactly what the fuck they said,
because you know, the escortsjust dipped as soon as they
delivered it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
They dropped them off and they're like peace.
Yeah, they're over here.
They're going to get sometequila, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Some tequila in Gonzalez.
So during the siege, delegatesfrom various parts of Texas
convened at the convention of1836.
On March 2nd they officiallydeclared independence,
establishing the Republic ofTexas.
A few days later, travis'warning about the tire situation
reached the convention.
On March 6th.
That really important letterthat I read earlier yeah, a

(01:11:55):
really important one.
It finally got there Now, notrealizing that the Alamo had
already fallen.
Robert Potter urged theconvention to adjourn and rushed
to relieve the Alamo.
But Sam Houston persuaded themto stay put and draft a
constitution reflecting thedesire for Texas independence.
Yeah, that document probablywent a really long ways.
It did.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
They got Texas For about a few years.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
They got Texas For a few years, and then we just kind
of absorbed that shit, weabsorbed them into the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
This constitution, I think, is the one that those
diehard Texans that want tosecede from America still yeah.
There is a misspelling, whichmeans Texas has never been part
of a US way ever, and it's like,well then, we'll just take all
your government resources.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Yeah, like, okay, you guys deal with that.
Yeah have fun.
Hey, texas, we love you.
But man, weird, crazy Sometimes.
Sometimes Now, after beingappointed, the sole commander of
Texian troops, houston went toGonzalez to lead the 400
volunteers Still waiting,waiting for Fennin's guidance to

(01:13:05):
the Alamo.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Fucking Fennin.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
I don't know what happened to Fennin.
He probably just dipped bro.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
No, he's probably just rewarded for his efforts,
as people wore back then.
That's true.
You have a one goodconversation with a glass of
whiskey in front of you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
God, whiskey solves everything.
You become president and costis a lot Huh.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Now, shortly after Houston's arrival on March 11,
news came confirming the fall ofthe Alamo and the loss of all
Texian lives.
To prevent panic, houstoninitially detained the
messengers as potential enemyspies, but released them once
Susanna Dickinson and Joearrived in Gonzalez.
I like that.
He's just Joe.
He's just Joe.
Well, they didn't have lastname.
A lot of slaves didn'ttechnically have last names.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
If they did, it was not recorded.
Well, no, if they did, it wouldbe their master's last name.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,okay, kind of like Robert Smalls
.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, aware that the Mexican armywould likely advance towards
Texian settlements, houstonadvised civilians to evacuate
and ordered his new army toretreat.
This sparked a widespreadflight, known as the runaway
scrape, with most Texians,including government officials,
heading east.
And I gotta get out of thefucking town.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Despite the losses at the Alamo, the Mexican army in
Texas vastly outnumbered theTexian forces.
Santa Ana believed news oftheir triumph at the Alamo would
crush resistance and promptTexian soldiers to depart.
Now, surprisingly, it had theopposite effect, rallying more
men to join Houston's army.
The battle of San Juacinto onApril 21st turned the tide.

(01:14:41):
The Texian army caught theMexican forces off guard and in
a swift 18 minute clash theyessentially secured victory.
During the battle, cries ofremember the Alamo echoed among
the Texian soldiers as theychased down the fleeing Mexican
troops.
Santa Ana was captured thefollowing day.

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He remarked to Sam Houstonabout his historic destiny, but
was swiftly reminded of hisactions at the Alamo.
No prisoners, Yep exactly.
Despite this, Santa Ana's lifewas spared.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Of course it was they always fucking spared the guy,
because it's too much influence.
Too much influence and too muchpower, you can't create a
martyr.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
And he was forced to order his troops out of Texas,
marking the end of the Mexicanrule over the province and
granting some legitimacy to thenewly formed Texas Republic.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
I just love how land was formed.
Not land was formed, but howborders were formed.
Back then it was just likewhoever's there at the end of
all the death, that's their land.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Now it's for every human existence.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
It's been like when we talked about the evolution of
warfare in the Thimble episode.
This goes back to like stillthe you just beat them into
submission.
Yeah, you, just.
Everybody and that was theNative Americans said that to
each other.
That was the Aztecs, that wasthe Incas, that was the Mayans.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
That was everybody, everybody's done it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
Yeah, it's just human nature.
It's happening right now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Yeah, exactly, it's happening right as we are
recording this fucking podcast.
Somebody probably just died ina war somewhere Right now.
It's just crazy to me.
Santa Ana's reputationfollowing the Battle of the
Alamo was deeply divisive withinMexico, where views of the
conflict were shaped by shiftingpolitical tides.
His capture at San Jacinto ledto his disgrace with subsequent

(01:16:37):
Mexican narratives, oftencrafted by his vocal critics.
Some historians suggest thatstories of events like
Crockett's execution might havebeen exaggerated to tarnish
Santa Ana's image further.
Despite its initialsignificance, the Texas campaign
, including the Battle of theAlamo, was eventually eclipsed
in Mexican history by thebroader Mexican-American war

(01:16:59):
that followed in 1846 to 1848.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
That shit was nuts.
A lot of Californians fought inthat one.
That's actually where theydeveloped.
The state flag of California iswith the bear.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Because it was like drawn up on a cloth.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
It was drawn up on some cloth, we read it in the
Indifference Stars above and welearned about the Donner Party.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's something about
the Mexican-American wars inthat book.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
That's where they came up with the California flag
.
But yeah, that's the Battle ofthe Fucking Alamo.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Fucking dude, when I started, when you told me you
were like we're going to do theBattle of the Alamo next, I was
like, okay, cool.
Then I started watchingdocumentaries and I was like,
okay, I didn't know that, okay,didn't know that, okay didn't
know that.
I guess in school, the primaryconcept that we're taught at
least that we were back when Iwas in middle school was like

(01:17:50):
this was a valiant effort byAmericans to claim independence
for themselves.
Yada, yada, yada.
What it really was was a bunchof fucking people who didn't
want to not have slaves settlingdown in this one area.
Now, granted, while they wereterrible people in that regard,
they were some brave, badassmotherfuckers in the regard of

(01:18:12):
they did try you know what Imean and they did stick around.
They may not have been thesmartest, they may have been
things that they could have donebetter, but they were brave.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Yeah, brave doesn't mean smart, but they were brave.
They were brave as fuck.
It's so scary to put yourmindset in that, where you have
2,000 men coming at you andyou're in this little compound
with no roof there's no roofover the Alamo.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
No, there's buildings .

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
There is buildings, yeah, within it, but for the
most part it's open area.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
It's an open area, it's a four.
Yeah, crazy, scary.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
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Let's just rewind, we'll do thewhole thing over, oh, okay,
okay, rewind, we're going tostart from the top, and you know
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Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
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