December 1, 2023 • 34 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
That sounded pretty, so pretty.
Aw, it's cause I am pretty.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And let me just shake my chair as much as physically
possible, please do.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I love the shaking chair effect while editing.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, I heard it's good for editing when you hear a
creak in the background.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, it's just like the kind of the best thing.
It really makes the audiencefeel like they're part of the
show.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, it's just about creating the ambience.
Yeah, totally would agree.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Drinking
Our Way Through History.
Thimble of whiskey, Thimble Now.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Ian's got a little cold.
Yeah, I'm feeling a littleunder the weather.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
So we're going to try and get these sweet golden
words out of you.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yes, yes, I mean I sound as smooth, but I do still
sound frosty.
Get it, cause it's cold.
Wow, yeah, All right.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So what happened today in history?
I should have probably lookedthis up.
What happened today in history?
So let's go.
Because we're recording theepisode on Tuesday, because
we're doing another Thimble ofwhiskey this week, because we
are both going to be out of town, we have some family matters
and just aren't able to give youthe same quality in a full
(01:38):
written episode.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
No, this is the same quality, cooper.
This is the same quality thisis.
I put research into these ones,I put effort into my part.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
You know, okay, cooper's part might just suck,
but no, I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding, we're here tohave fun though.
All right.
So what happened today?
Why don't you tell us?
In history on November 28th of1520, spanish explorer Ferdinand
Magellan has discovered astraight at the tip of South
(02:13):
America that enters the Pacific.
Wow, and then they colonizedeverything.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, that's usually the next step.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
They colonized everything.
Now what happens today?
This episode is coming out.
What happens on the day thatthis episode comes out, on
December 1st in 1135, henry thefirst of England dies and the
crown is passed to his nephew,stephen of Bloisey.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Bloisey, I guess.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Bloisey, yes, yes.
And then, about 500 years later, in 1581, edmund Champion and
other Jesuit martyrs are hangedat Tyburn, england, for sedition
after being tortured.
Wow, I don't know who EdmundChampion is.
He must have done somethingagainst the Protestant faith or
something like that, or kind oflike faith.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, that sounds accurate.
That sounds pretty good.
All right, so now we know,caught up, cool.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
So that's what happens.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
That's what happens Back in those days, crazy, crazy
, crazy Back in these days, eventhese days, because it is these
days.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
These days is the realest, wow.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
That was really solid .
You're so welcome for that.
Yeah, that was really reallygood.
I have something that I've beenwanting to talk to you about.
What do you got?
Well, Cooper, there's an otterturned out law that continues to
evade wildlife officials inSanta Cruz.
What?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, okay, this little, this little, this little
otter, start now cute.
This is a lot.
Start now cute.
I love this, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
This little otterette Okay, a female otter.
Well, she's on the run fromlocal federal authorities wanted
for aggressively confrontinglocals and stealing surfboards
at a popular beach.
This is an otter, yeah, just alittle otter.
She's a five year old femaleotter.
Get this.
She was born in an aquarium,uh-huh.
And then they raised her.
And they raised her with, like,they were wearing basically
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skin suit or like the the youknow the diver suits and stuff,
yeah, and then mass on theirface the whole time.
And then they like had a had amom otter in there with her and
that's how they raised her, soshe had limited contact to
humans.
And then they sent her back outin 2020, where she was fine up
until like a couple, like a yearago about, and she's still at
large.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
And she's just stealing surfboards and stuff.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, Her nickname is otter eight 41, which is pretty
cool.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Uh, she got she's like a damn test subject.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I know Otter eight, eight, 41, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Wait is it 41, like the zip, the area code.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
No.
Otter eight 41.
I think it's because she wasjust sent back out into the wild
.
They probably just designatedher otter eight 41.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
She's probably tagged or something.
Yeah, but they but they've beentrying to get her.
They still can't get her.
Um, now she is a mother, soshe's had her own little otters
and she's a little delinquentand it's great and cute and I
love that.
And now authorities areresorting to try and baiting her
with a surfboard to try and gether, which I thought was a
really really funny.
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Take that All right.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Five year old female otter just tearing up shit and
Santa Cruz.
It makes me pretty happy.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I don't know about you.
I'm happy I'm team otter.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, I'm team otter, you know it turns out, there's
a lot of people that are.
They've even been petitions,one of which has gotten over
50,000 signatures, which ispretty crazy this thousand.
Yeah, just to leave her be,just to let her, let her be out
there alone, even though, causeshe like comes up to humans and
stuff like that, but like,what's an otter really going to
do to you?
Hold your hand, yeah, maybe.
Right, it'd be cute, isn't thatwhat they do?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
They lay on their backs in the water and they
float in the holder hands sothey don't float apart.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
They do hold.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Well, I don't know about that part but I know that
they lay on their backs.
Yeah, yeah, that's what they dothey lay on their backs and
obeyed in the sun and they holdeach other's hands so that they
don't drift apart.
It's very adorable.
Wow, you've even seen thoselittle videos.
So lovely.
I probably have.
I probably see them.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I'm a little foggy right now, doped up on mucinex.
Doped up on mucinex.
What have you probably seenthem.
Tell me something you've had onyour mind lately the Roman
Empire.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Almost, almost.
How about planet killerasteroids are hiding in the
sun's glare and we're not sureif we can stop them in the
future.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Oh yeah, that sounds pleasant enough.
It sounds really nice right.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, so I figured space is relevant because we
went to the space race and spaceis always going to be part of
history.
Man, it's always going tochange things, and so here's the
thing it's like right in thebeginning with this is it kind
of opens up and this is fromlive science and it talks about
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the 20.
What was it?
20 2013, february 15 2013, ameteors meteor size a meteor the
size of a semi truck trailerwas shot down directly from the
Sun and exploded in a fireballover the city of chelibutnisk,
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russia.
So I don't know if you rememberthis, because this was on the
news like video clippings ofasteroids literally going
through Russian buildings.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Oh, yeah, that's crazy.
I don't, I do not remember that.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
No, yeah, so when did this happen?
In 2013, oh fuck, yeah.
So it was crazy because there'slike a countdown to this, like
all the sun.
We just saw it within days oflike, oh shit, earth's gonna get
hit with this comment, likeit's legitimately, this isn't
just gonna get burnt up so, like, have we seen?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
have we seen the, the comments that are in the glare
of the sun?
Or are we just guessing?
I'm gonna get there, okay, yeahyeah, I'm gonna get there.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
So this one like in particular, just kind of just
example of like how crazy thisis, is like they didn't know
this was coming at them.
The meteor exploded with 30times more energy than the bomb
that destroyed Hiroshima 30times 30 times and exploded 14
miles above the ground.
So the blast when it explodedshattered windows of more than
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70,000 buildings this is justexploding up in the air and it
had temporary blind, temporarilyblinded people.
It infected, inflictedinstantaneous ultraviolet burns
oh my god and injured, and whenit actually came crashing down,
it eventually injured more than1600 people.
(08:43):
No one died, but there was likevideo footage of this thing
coming down and crashing through.
That's crazy.
How big was it?
This was, uh, it was the sitewhere to go um.
It was the size of a semi trucktrailer, oh fuck bro, yeah,
that's crazy not that big it'snot that big at all.
(09:03):
It's not, it's so.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
It's scary, just a little chunk of space rock, just
a little chunk.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Oh my goodness and there's a big fucker one that's
floating out there, but it'slike in deep space, it's not
well.
It's the one that came fromanother galaxy and then shot
past yeah that's, but that's awhole other thing that that
didn't end up hitting us thatwould have ended earth, at least
it missed.
Yes, now the scariest part isno observatory on earth saw it
(09:29):
coming, because it was coming infrom the direction of the earth
, so it just hit.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
It's like our ultimate blind spot right, it
was coming from the direction ofthe sun.
This, yes, son yeah, this I waslike coming from the direction
of the earth.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
That's crazy, it's all right, it's all right but
coming from the sun okay, so getthis astronaut, or astronomers
have mapped out more than 33,000near-earth asteroids that could
potentially hit earth in thenext century okay, 33,000.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Are we building lasers for these bitches, or we?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
shot one, one space telescope out there to like see
if we can hit it because theonly way we can spot these
fuckers is infrared light yeah,well, they're just called hunks
of rock usually they're justright in the sun.
So the only way they can reallysee it is if, like, it's barely
off like the surface of the sun,like at a like a 10 minute
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period per day, like in a coupledays, part of the month, yeah,
so it's like totally fuckinghidden there.
Now the funny thing is they canonly see, they're guessing
33,000, like they're estimatingright thousand.
They've only found about 40%,which is only like like it
leaves about 14,000 left to findso essentially, guys, we could
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die any day.
Go ask that girl out, you know Imean go leave that girl out go
have a good day, take a sick dayand just go live your life, you
know it just to kind of top itoff with you know little fun of
you know possible earth semis,as they have found one planet
killer that is in this that isobscured by the Sun currently oh
(11:13):
well, you know it's, maybe itjust hits the Sun maybe it could
.
It's a mile wide, with a quirkyfive-year orbit that makes this
huge space rock like almostpermanently invisible to the
telescopes, though.
So but there's a point that itwill keep kind of circling and
getting closer to the earth asit keeps using the Sun's gravity
(11:34):
to kind of round out and shootout a little further and further
.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, so it's fun it's well, I you know the odds
aren't huge, but they're there.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
We could die any day oh well, I mean lip of an eye in
the eyes of the universe thatis facts.
That is very, very after afterwe've been watching the
documentary a life on or life onearth yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah it takes a lot of timefor shit to go wrong.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Shit goes wrong, yeah , yeah speaking of space, there
was that, um, there was thatlittle that James Webb photo of
like the distant stars and stuff, but in the background there
was a little question mark.
What in the stars?
It was actually, oh, galaxiesmerging, but it looked like a
little question mark.
I just saw that today when Iwas looking up stuff.
So that's that's dope.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You know why?
Because they use the James Webband then another one to like
print out the most like Colorfulpicture of the universe.
Yeah, it was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
It was a really really cool photo.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, that's dope.
That's dope.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, all right, man.
Well, speaking of people livingtheir best lives like they
could die tomorrow, monsterhunters just conducted the
largest search of Loch Ness inmore than 50 years.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
How big is lost?
Neck, it's 22 square miles witha maximum depth of 788 feet.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I that was the next thing I had written that is so
great that you asked that howconvenient wow.
Yeah, so it's great Britain'slargest lake by volume and
second largest by surface area,according to encyclopedia
Britannica.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Love me, some Britannica, yeah, some
Britannica they got a doublecheck everything you read on
there.
Yeah, sometimes yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
So over there's been over a thousand official
documented sightings of the LochNess Monster, you know, over
time, official and Like they'redocumented and stuff.
And then it's got a reputationthat spans nearly 1500 years,
miss Nessy, all these myths, allthese legends for all this time
.
So then the Loch Ness Centerand research group Loch Ness
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Exploration are asked, or whatthey were asking at the time?
This, this article that Istarted from, was written Before
it was gonna happen.
I didn't realize that.
So it just happened in August.
Fun fact this, thisinvestigation, just happened in
August.
Yeah, yeah, so basically theyjust sent like drones with
infrared cameras and they flyover the lake and then there's
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Like they have like Basically, abunch of radar going through
and all that stuff.
So they basically mapped out theentire fucking lake.
Oh, there was a guy who, like,showed this image of what it can
do because apparently at onepoint they had found a Loch Ness
Monster, like, like, like dummythat was used in a movie at the
bottom of the lake.
So when they were mapping, itout.
When they were mapping them out, there was like this perfect
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fucking Nessy Just chilling downthere and they're like oh shit,
it was just a fucking movie.
Prop from way back.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Why is it?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
still in the lake.
Why didn't they take it out?
I don't know if they've takenit out or not.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
They're just like we're gonna leave it.
Yeah, we're gonna check thisout.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, well, nobody ended up finding the monster,
right, of course, but, um, therewas basically like it's crazy.
To me it was such a.
In my opinion, it was a greatmarketing scheme.
Yeah, because it was just theLoch Ness Monster Center, that
basic, or the Loch Ness Center,which, basically, through this
huge event, invited all theseresearchers to come out.
They live streamed the wholething like it's just it would
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they?
Like Nessy brings in toScotland about 52 million every
year just to Scotland's economy,right?
So like, just with all of hermerch, all that stuff.
So they thought this huge assevent, they're making bank.
There was like quotes in thesearticles from the general
manager just being like, yeah,you know, we don't know if
they'll find it or not, but comeon.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
It's come up like yeah, it'll bring up the
tourists like Economy again theyjust had dudes patrolling the
the waters like people, peoplelike searching.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
They'll literally just with their hands over their
eyes oh my god, looking forfucking Nessy.
But then they got these coolradar things and the sonar stuff
and then the infrared camerasgo in above the lake and all
that.
So I mean they definitelymapped out the whole lake, but
everybody's just saying, well,the only way to know for sure is
if you ended up draining thewhole lake, and that'll never
happen.
So I guess we'll never know.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
It makes me so happy.
It ends like every other TVshow.
I.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Just think it's funny .
You know, good for that.
Rock on.
You know, I'm sure most peopleknow or don't really believe in
it, but it's what a spectacle tobehold.
Oh, yeah, I freaking love thata lot of this monster believers
just chilling at the lake.
It was like a two-day event,man.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, that's like, it's like a Sasquatch, like
convention.
I feel like, because you can'treally do a Nessie convention
because it's on the wall, Iguess this is close to come.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
At the actual location.
Yeah, no, that's, it's the onlylocation that the Loch Ness
monster could be at.
Yeah, with it, with Bigfoot.
It's like you can be anywhere,and not really, but you there's
like you could be anywhere.
There's a lot of patches.
There's a lot of patches.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Loch Ness is just the one man, it's just the one
patch, unless there's like adeep underwater, like crevice
crevice right it's just a tunnelto like an underwater world
like.
Like my call or the ocean.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Nessie's just out in the ocean this whole time Just
chillin just munching, likemunching down on blue whales,
just taking down cruise ships,it just goes.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
It just goes back to like Loch Ness just to chill,
take a nap.
Yeah, relax, like don't have todeal with the Meg here.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Exactly.
Yeah, man, that's, uh, that'smy, that's my, that's.
My other one is is miss, missNessie.
They never found her.
She's still elusive, she's soelusive.
I know, man, it is just theabsolute, absolute, darnest
thing.
I probably hanging out with theKraken.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I love people's.
I Guess ambition, tenacity liketenacity.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
that's a good word, yeah, just just to never give up
.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Always have hope, always have hope.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And then and then, one day the meteor's gonna come
and take us all out of existence, us, the otter Nessie.
No, nessie's gonna live,nessie's just gonna blast up at
the comment out of the water andjust fucking.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Saves the whole planet.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, and then just flat back down, just flat back
down land on the ocean neverseen again.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
It's like the real Godzilla, except like the most
nice version of it ever.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, 100%, 100%.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Alright, so there's a pretty important movie that
just came out, oh, ian, and itwas directed by this guy.
No one really knows who he is,but his name's Ridley Scott.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Ridley Scott okay.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, yeah, no one really knows.
He did it like a couple movies,like the master and commander
mmm gladiator.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I know gladiator, I was really seeing these movies
love gladiator, what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
and he just recently came out with this one called
the polling in.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Oh, oh, dude, I was just listening to real dictators
thing on the pulley and yeahyeah, what part are you at?
I just finished the firstepisode.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
There's like a six-parter bro, I know, but it's
so good, it's so good anyway sothere's a lot of debate, or not
really debate.
It's just like Confrontationabout this with the historians.
Oh, and Ridley Scott andHollywood, because there's a lot
of historical inaccuracies.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Oh, of course, there is like so many well, even in
gladiator there was the, therewas the moment with the thumb,
the thumb because when it'ssideways don't they live, and
that no, if it's.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
It never goes down yeah it never goes down.
It's either that or it nevergoes up.
Yeah, it doesn't go one way.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah it doesn't go one way or the other.
They have the sideways thumband and I don't remember the
exact order, but they got thatwrong.
Yeah, I know that it's like.
Oh man.
Yeah, it's a thumb.
I think it was for dramaticeffect.
Hollywood man Gotta give thethumbs up and the thumbs down.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, so I'm gonna go through the top 12 Inaccurate
oh boy, okay, no, I'm ready forthis, I'm ready from screen,
rent comm and if it like RidleyScott, is fired back at the
historians, even telling themget a life, which is like kind
of I'm like, oh, come on man,like they really work up really
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hard, like they do a lot ofresearch.
It might not be as entertaining, but like don't tell me get a
life.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
That is their life, bro.
Yeah, yeah, cuz they're not inthe pop culture world.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I was about to say, they might not make as much as
you, but they do just asimportant work.
But then it's like they do,they do they do.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It was very important .
Yeah, it's very important.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
He's got his tarnishing it that is true, but
damn, does he make a good movie?
He does.
He does has to make a goodmovie.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
So first one, number 12 Napoleon did not charge into
any battle with his cavalry,because the point no, oh, he was
like.
It depicts him severalinstances Going in direct combat
.
Oh, he was not doing that, hewas hanging back commanding like
a commanding behind.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, and like shut, like, do this, do that it's in
the other thing, the cavalry hadhis time on the front lines,
like in when he was, like whenhe was a young soldier.
Yeah, he had combat, but hedidn't like when he was
commanding the army.
Yeah, he was commanding themother fucking arm.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Now Levin Napoleon was wounded was wounded by
British Bayonetting during thesiege of Talun.
Now it's apparently like thatwas.
They said that he was notinjured in the movie.
He was actually injured.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I got stabbed.
I feel like they would shouldinclude that in the movie.
It might that better.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yeah, it would.
It would be like a little yeah,like an oh no moment.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
You know what I mean like when, when, like I don't
know, when people get cut up inmovies, it's like the, the, the
challenge for the hero toovercome, anyway, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
So and I just want to make sure, yeah, it says like
they left out where he wasBayonetted by a British soldier
while on horseback and the woundthat actually could have
probably killed him.
Yeah, so it's like why'd youleave that out?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
man interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I don't know why.
Now the one thing thateverybody's seen in the
commercial is the giant lakewhere he's firing the
cannonballs and it's frozen overand all the soldiers are
getting plummeted into it.
Okay, there was no giant frozenlake at the Battle of Osterlitz
.
Oh man, they took someliberties there.
They took a lot of liberties.
There was several small pondsand like 20 drownings.
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It's just not as excited atleast got like the whole fucking
army, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
We got to make them all fall through the fucking
eyes.
Make them fall through the eyes.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
We're gonna do this huge scene where a bunch of
horses and men died.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, and this cry drowning and getting hypothermia
.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
And one of the big things about that is like you
don't have to over exaggerate,like his ruthlessness, to depict
how much he gave, like howlittle care he cared of or how
little he cared about human life.
Right, like he did not.
No, he's going to win at allcosts.
Yeah, and his story is sofascinating by itself I like
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there's just certain things thatyou just didn't really
intertwine right right now.
Another one Napoleon and ArthurWellesley, the Duke of
Wellington.
They actually never met, butapparently in the movie they
meet.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Oh wait, who is the Duke of Wellington again?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Arthur Wellesley.
Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
He's just ringing a bell from my AP European history
class, the Duke of Wellington.
I feel like he was an importantgentleman, but that's okay it
was in.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
It was after the Battle of Waterloo that they
would have probably made likethat when this is they're
depicting like.
But they were at the Battle ofWaterloo but they never met.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Ah, okay.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Okay, now another big thing Napoleon's army never
attacked the Egyptian pyramids.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
So did they say in the movie that they had to?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
commercial.
He's launching the catapultsand hitting fucking things on
the, on the pyramids and thenalso, okay, that's a little much
, yeah, and that's a littlefacing the Sphinx as well.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But okay, napoleon didn't face the same.
Okay, you get.
Okay, that's a little much.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It was only alive 300 years ago, like bro, that it
was already fucked up by Vin.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Like oh, yeah, that's right cuz it is the fit.
Oh, so they made, they gave himcredit for doing yeah, wow,
okay, that's a little much like.
Up until now I've been like, oh, whatever makes for dramatic
scene yet, but that's like justchanging the facts.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah, that's just changing the fact, the battle
didn't even happen near, like insight of the pyramids, because
he went down there and there wasa.
There was a battle, but nevereven fought like Nick, because
the battle is depicted rightnext to the pyramids, right
didn't have a hit in thePyramids, yeah yeah, well, no,
he's just straight upcatapulting Rocks at the pyramid
, right, just like see if he canbreak into it.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Wow, another one is apparently in the movie.
He slaps Josephine.
Napoleon would never haveslapped, josephine.
I was to, napoleon was a loverhe was, and he was absolutely
Obsessed with Josephine for alittle while, until he was not
obsessed with her anymore.
Ah, he did poison her dog.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
So you sure he wouldn't slap her yeah, because
it was like they Devoicing hertall.
Yeah, she was a fuck dude.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Did they put that in the movie?
That I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
It doesn't sound like they did.
Yeah, it's probably.
Nowadays people don't like thatstuff.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
They're gonna get me set.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I you know personally I am legend killed me for that
very.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
It's why I can't like watch every little thing, it's
gonna be all right.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I can't listen to that song now without thinking
of that man.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, that part is set.
Uh, now there's also where, inthe commercial again, napoleon
was not at Marie Antoinette'spublic execution, he just
watched her get thrown in jail,oh yeah, but in the movie they'd
show him they're watching herget hung.
Hmm, dramatic effect, yep, andso that, exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
so okay, it's starting to stack up, though,
now.
You know what I mean.
Like it's starting to stack upthough now, like you took a
little too many liberties.
If it was just one or two ofthese things, the historians
wouldn't be up in an uproar.
There's there.
No, there are no strangers toHollywood.
Directors taking a bit ofliberty, right, yeah, you're
gonna throw it that he defacedthe goddamn sphinx, like the
(25:57):
drowning in the water thing.
That's something they couldoverlook, I think.
Sure that's not a story is,could overlook, but if you go as
far as defacing, as sphinx Imean, come on.
Yeah like being there whensomebody was executed but they
were having to be a woman beater.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, he was at.
He was at.
Napoleon was on garrison dutyin southern France as an officer
in the French military Duringthe French Revolution, and his
opening scene combines twocritical moments that helped
Napoleon's Napoleon about theFrench Revolution.
But it's like he went there.
The only thing is like he wentthere and he saw her get thrown
(26:33):
in jail.
He never actually saw her gethung because he was right Can do
in a garrison right.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
He's the man's on the clock.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Not another one.
That's just kind of likewhatever.
But Napoleon was actuallyterrible at riding horses.
He never actually finished likehis military riding training
and so he was just not thatgreat at riding horses, yeah,
but they go ahead and depict himas a very skilled rider and
what I believe why they depicthim like why he took this
liberty, is because because hedid it like talk to historians
(27:04):
About this and then he wentahead and did his own thing.
So he Like there is a mural ofNapoleon that was that he had
conscripted and done for him andand depicted him as like this
godlike hero saving these peopleon, like this white stallion,
(27:27):
essentially and it was afterthis battle, but in reality that
never happened right, had allthose, it just looked heroic.
He actually had his own fuckingmen killed.
Because, they had some sort ofplague and he was like, fucking
burned the camp.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
It was a bit of a narcissist yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Well, he's a bit of an old-school.
Burn the political game.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, he's like paint me as a hero, which is exactly
what the victors always do.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, yeah now here's another big one.
Napoleon was six years youngerthan Josephine, that's, and in
the movie so like Napoleon wassix years younger, but walking
Phoenix is actually like 15years older than Vanessa Kirby.
Hmm, and I think in the moviedid they depict her as younger
(28:11):
Real life.
Oh, so okay, never mind, I'mtaking this one back.
That's bullshit, whatever.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, I was gonna say I don't really get a shit.
Yeah, cuz you can play whatever.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Okay, now I don't care about that.
I was a trash what I rate thatone trash trash like they're
trying to grab.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
So that's a grower, that's a filler, that's a killer
I had to hit their number?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yep, okay, and then?
This one just being what.
Oh, nope, nope, nope, nope.
Napoleon's mother likely didn'tstage a betting incident,
making like because Josephinecouldn't have kids, and I don't
know.
This one is just I, it's kindof whatever, like I don't care
about his kids at the end of theday, you know yeah, yeah, I
(28:51):
don't really care about thateither.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I do care about the whole things, the things Sphinx
thing yeah, that's, that's thebig one.
For me that's not making sense.
And then just having him be atthese different or meet these
different people or be it, soMarie Antoinette's execution,
like I just feel like that's alittle bit too much.
When you stack all of thosethings together, one of those
things separate is fine, yeah,but like all of them, you know,
(29:14):
do all of that like come on.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yep well.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
The only reason I'm mad, though, is like it's not
like you took a boring dude.
I made a movie about him.
Mm-hmm, it's like the dude'sexciting enough to make a movie
about.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Now this is In the movie.
Josephine suggests to have adivorce with Napoleon.
Absolutely bullshit.
She was terrified of beingdivorced from Napoleon.
She begs Napoleon not to leaveher in real life Okay.
(29:47):
Because she's a socialite andshe just kind of always makes
fun of him to her othersocialite aristocratic friends
and reads out in public, outloud, his love letters that he's
writing her while he's in allthese battles, like he's
professing his love to her allthe time and just how he doesn't
want the world to go on with,like he wants her to be his
(30:07):
entire world and da, da, da, dada.
And she's making fun of him,but she's like using him as like
a tool to be in these highsocial circles.
Oh, yeah, and then the morefamous and powerful he got, the
more that she was like oh I needto be here, but I've already.
She was cheating on him.
They both cheated on each othera bunch of times, Right?
(30:29):
But yeah, that's one thing.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Ah see, that's interesting.
I didn't know that about her.
Oh yeah, she was like justdogging on him back home,
cheating on him.
But I guess they were cheatingon each other.
They were Interesting.
I didn't know any of that.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yeah, she cheated on him with one of his, like
lieutenants too, ah, and then heended up getting stationed,
like in bum fuck, nowhere forthe rest of his life.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Mmm Yep.
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Surprised he didn't get killedor poisoned like the dog, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Now the biggest one, number one here, and it's on the
poster of the movie.
It says he came from nothingand conquered all.
Napoleon did not come fromnothing and he did not conquer
everything.
Okay, he came from nobility.
Yeah, he had a lot ofopportunity and he was born on
(31:23):
the Italian island of Corsica,meaning that he had more
opportunity than most to makeconnections and establish a name
for himself.
And then he definitely didn'tconquer everything, especially
Russia or Great Britain.
Yeah, because it depicts that hewas fighting England, great
Britain, and it just didn'thappen and he fucking ended up
(31:46):
losing and his whole empire thathe did build just got
demolished and sunk in and thathis entire army fucking froze to
death in Russia and heabandoned them.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, he's like well, this was a mistake.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, there will be down the line, definitely a
series on Napoleon that we do.
But before I do that, I want toread Napoleon a Life.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
It's only a small like 900 page book.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, it's just a baby.
Just a babe, it's just a babyBaby.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
But yeah, that'll be.
That'll be down the line when Ihave more time to read books
like that and can Build up thescript.
No, that's fair.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Those books are well, especially nonfiction books.
Man, A lot of nonfiction booksare tough reads just because
it's like interesting stuff.
But the authors who write themsometimes are like just
historians just telling you thefacts.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
And they don't like.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
they're not authors, they're not storytellers usually
.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
You know what I mean, right.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
That's why I like my fiction novels.
Man.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
They are fun.
I do read a lot of those.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
So let's recap.
We talked about.
We talked about my fun littleotter.
We talked about how the worldmight end at any time.
We talked about the Loch NessMonster largest, largest search
for Nessie in the last 50 years.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
In the last 50 years.
Yeah, how long time.
Yes, yeah, and then, and thenwe Historical inaccuracies from
the biggest Napoleon movie thatprobably will ever be.
Yeah, I mean, I'm still kind ofexcited to see it though.
Oh, I'm super pumped to see it.
Yeah, I'm sure, it's absolutelygorgeous, like it's got to be
so well done.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, I'm sure it's a great movie.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Just know that it's complete, like it's just it's
fiction.
Yeah, it's all fiction, thismovie.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Well, I'm sure there's some historical
accuracies as well as theinaccuracies.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I guess the biggest part of it is the like the, the
biggest nonfiction.
Part of it is his effect on theworld.
Yeah, that is definitelyaccurate, and you can do it in a
million ways, but he had asignificant effect.
Yeah, and I think that whatI've read historians say that
that it does definitely capturethat aspect.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
All right, all right.
Well, there we freaking have itman oh yeah, still pumped to
see the movie.
Yeah, all right, how youfeeling?
You alive Dude I am.
I am going to take moremucinacs after we're done here
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
And let me just shake my chair as much as physically
possible, please do.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I love the shaking chair effect while editing.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, I heard it's good for editing when you hear a
creak in the background.
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Yeah, it's just like the kind of the best thing.
It really makes the audiencefeel like they're part of the
show.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, it's just about creating the ambience.
Yeah, totally would agree.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Drinking
Our Way Through History.
Thimble of whiskey, Thimble Now.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Ian's got a little cold.
Yeah, I'm feeling a littleunder the weather.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
So we're going to try and get these sweet golden
words out of you.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yes, yes, I mean I sound as smooth, but I do still
sound frosty.
Get it, cause it's cold.
Wow, yeah, All right.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So what happened today in history?
I should have probably lookedthis up.
What happened today in history?
So let's go.
Because we're recording theepisode on Tuesday, because
we're doing another Thimble ofwhiskey this week, because we
are both going to be out of town, we have some family matters
and just aren't able to give youthe same quality in a full
(01:38):
written episode.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
No, this is the same quality, cooper.
This is the same quality thisis.
I put research into these ones,I put effort into my part.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
You know, okay, cooper's part might just suck,
but no, I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding, we're here tohave fun though.
All right.
So what happened today?
Why don't you tell us?
In history on November 28th of1520, spanish explorer Ferdinand
Magellan has discovered astraight at the tip of South
(02:13):
America that enters the Pacific.
Wow, and then they colonizedeverything.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, that's usually the next step.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
They colonized everything.
Now what happens today?
This episode is coming out.
What happens on the day thatthis episode comes out, on
December 1st in 1135, henry thefirst of England dies and the
crown is passed to his nephew,stephen of Bloisey.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Bloisey, I guess.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Bloisey, yes, yes.
And then, about 500 years later, in 1581, edmund Champion and
other Jesuit martyrs are hangedat Tyburn, england, for sedition
after being tortured.
Wow, I don't know who EdmundChampion is.
He must have done somethingagainst the Protestant faith or
something like that, or kind oflike faith.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, that sounds accurate.
That sounds pretty good.
All right, so now we know,caught up, cool.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
So that's what happens.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
That's what happens Back in those days, crazy, crazy
, crazy Back in these days, eventhese days, because it is these
days.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
These days is the realest, wow.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
That was really solid .
You're so welcome for that.
Yeah, that was really reallygood.
I have something that I've beenwanting to talk to you about.
What do you got?
Well, Cooper, there's an otterturned out law that continues to
evade wildlife officials inSanta Cruz.
What?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, okay, this little, this little, this little
otter, start now cute.
This is a lot.
Start now cute.
I love this, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
This little otterette Okay, a female otter.
Well, she's on the run fromlocal federal authorities wanted
for aggressively confrontinglocals and stealing surfboards
at a popular beach.
This is an otter, yeah, just alittle otter.
She's a five year old femaleotter.
Get this.
She was born in an aquarium,uh-huh.
And then they raised her.
And they raised her with, like,they were wearing basically
(04:17):
skin suit or like the the youknow the diver suits and stuff,
yeah, and then mass on theirface the whole time.
And then they like had a had amom otter in there with her and
that's how they raised her, soshe had limited contact to
humans.
And then they sent her back outin 2020, where she was fine up
until like a couple, like a yearago about, and she's still at
large.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
And she's just stealing surfboards and stuff.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, Her nickname is otter eight 41, which is pretty
cool.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Uh, she got she's like a damn test subject.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I know Otter eight, eight, 41, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Wait is it 41, like the zip, the area code.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
No.
Otter eight 41.
I think it's because she wasjust sent back out into the wild
.
They probably just designatedher otter eight 41.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
She's probably tagged or something.
Yeah, but they but they've beentrying to get her.
They still can't get her.
Um, now she is a mother, soshe's had her own little otters
and she's a little delinquentand it's great and cute and I
love that.
And now authorities areresorting to try and baiting her
with a surfboard to try and gether, which I thought was a
really really funny.
(05:18):
Take that All right.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Five year old female otter just tearing up shit and
Santa Cruz.
It makes me pretty happy.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I don't know about you.
I'm happy I'm team otter.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, I'm team otter, you know it turns out, there's
a lot of people that are.
They've even been petitions,one of which has gotten over
50,000 signatures, which ispretty crazy this thousand.
Yeah, just to leave her be,just to let her, let her be out
there alone, even though, causeshe like comes up to humans and
stuff like that, but like,what's an otter really going to
do to you?
Hold your hand, yeah, maybe.
Right, it'd be cute, isn't thatwhat they do?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
They lay on their backs in the water and they
float in the holder hands sothey don't float apart.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
They do hold.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Well, I don't know about that part but I know that
they lay on their backs.
Yeah, yeah, that's what they dothey lay on their backs and
obeyed in the sun and they holdeach other's hands so that they
don't drift apart.
It's very adorable.
Wow, you've even seen thoselittle videos.
So lovely.
I probably have.
I probably see them.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I'm a little foggy right now, doped up on mucinex.
Doped up on mucinex.
What have you probably seenthem.
Tell me something you've had onyour mind lately the Roman
Empire.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Almost, almost.
How about planet killerasteroids are hiding in the
sun's glare and we're not sureif we can stop them in the
future.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Oh yeah, that sounds pleasant enough.
It sounds really nice right.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, so I figured space is relevant because we
went to the space race and spaceis always going to be part of
history.
Man, it's always going tochange things, and so here's the
thing it's like right in thebeginning with this is it kind
of opens up and this is fromlive science and it talks about
(06:58):
the 20.
What was it?
20 2013, february 15 2013, ameteors meteor size a meteor the
size of a semi truck trailerwas shot down directly from the
Sun and exploded in a fireballover the city of chelibutnisk,
(07:20):
russia.
So I don't know if you rememberthis, because this was on the
news like video clippings ofasteroids literally going
through Russian buildings.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Oh, yeah, that's crazy.
I don't, I do not remember that.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
No, yeah, so when did this happen?
In 2013, oh fuck, yeah.
So it was crazy because there'slike a countdown to this, like
all the sun.
We just saw it within days oflike, oh shit, earth's gonna get
hit with this comment, likeit's legitimately, this isn't
just gonna get burnt up so, like, have we seen?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
have we seen the, the comments that are in the glare
of the sun?
Or are we just guessing?
I'm gonna get there, okay, yeahyeah, I'm gonna get there.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
So this one like in particular, just kind of just
example of like how crazy thisis, is like they didn't know
this was coming at them.
The meteor exploded with 30times more energy than the bomb
that destroyed Hiroshima 30times 30 times and exploded 14
miles above the ground.
So the blast when it explodedshattered windows of more than
(08:21):
70,000 buildings this is justexploding up in the air and it
had temporary blind, temporarilyblinded people.
It infected, inflictedinstantaneous ultraviolet burns
oh my god and injured, and whenit actually came crashing down,
it eventually injured more than1600 people.
(08:43):
No one died, but there was likevideo footage of this thing
coming down and crashing through.
That's crazy.
How big was it?
This was, uh, it was the sitewhere to go um.
It was the size of a semi trucktrailer, oh fuck bro, yeah,
that's crazy not that big it'snot that big at all.
(09:03):
It's not, it's so.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
It's scary, just a little chunk of space rock, just
a little chunk.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Oh my goodness and there's a big fucker one that's
floating out there, but it'slike in deep space, it's not
well.
It's the one that came fromanother galaxy and then shot
past yeah that's, but that's awhole other thing that that
didn't end up hitting us thatwould have ended earth, at least
it missed.
Yes, now the scariest part isno observatory on earth saw it
(09:29):
coming, because it was coming infrom the direction of the earth
, so it just hit.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
It's like our ultimate blind spot right, it
was coming from the direction ofthe sun.
This, yes, son yeah, this I waslike coming from the direction
of the earth.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
That's crazy, it's all right, it's all right but
coming from the sun okay, so getthis astronaut, or astronomers
have mapped out more than 33,000near-earth asteroids that could
potentially hit earth in thenext century okay, 33,000.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Are we building lasers for these bitches, or we?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
shot one, one space telescope out there to like see
if we can hit it because theonly way we can spot these
fuckers is infrared light yeah,well, they're just called hunks
of rock usually they're justright in the sun.
So the only way they can reallysee it is if, like, it's barely
off like the surface of the sun,like at a like a 10 minute
(10:26):
period per day, like in a coupledays, part of the month, yeah,
so it's like totally fuckinghidden there.
Now the funny thing is they canonly see, they're guessing
33,000, like they're estimatingright thousand.
They've only found about 40%,which is only like like it
leaves about 14,000 left to findso essentially, guys, we could
(10:50):
die any day.
Go ask that girl out, you know Imean go leave that girl out go
have a good day, take a sick dayand just go live your life, you
know it just to kind of top itoff with you know little fun of
you know possible earth semis,as they have found one planet
killer that is in this that isobscured by the Sun currently oh
(11:13):
well, you know it's, maybe itjust hits the Sun maybe it could
.
It's a mile wide, with a quirkyfive-year orbit that makes this
huge space rock like almostpermanently invisible to the
telescopes, though.
So but there's a point that itwill keep kind of circling and
getting closer to the earth asit keeps using the Sun's gravity
(11:34):
to kind of round out and shootout a little further and further
.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, so it's fun it's well, I you know the odds
aren't huge, but they're there.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
We could die any day oh well, I mean lip of an eye in
the eyes of the universe thatis facts.
That is very, very after afterwe've been watching the
documentary a life on or life onearth yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah it takes a lot of timefor shit to go wrong.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Shit goes wrong, yeah , yeah speaking of space, there
was that, um, there was thatlittle that James Webb photo of
like the distant stars and stuff, but in the background there
was a little question mark.
What in the stars?
It was actually, oh, galaxiesmerging, but it looked like a
little question mark.
I just saw that today when Iwas looking up stuff.
So that's that's dope.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You know why?
Because they use the James Webband then another one to like
print out the most like Colorfulpicture of the universe.
Yeah, it was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
It was a really really cool photo.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, that's dope.
That's dope.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, all right, man.
Well, speaking of people livingtheir best lives like they
could die tomorrow, monsterhunters just conducted the
largest search of Loch Ness inmore than 50 years.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
How big is lost?
Neck, it's 22 square miles witha maximum depth of 788 feet.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I that was the next thing I had written that is so
great that you asked that howconvenient wow.
Yeah, so it's great Britain'slargest lake by volume and
second largest by surface area,according to encyclopedia
Britannica.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Love me, some Britannica, yeah, some
Britannica they got a doublecheck everything you read on
there.
Yeah, sometimes yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
So over there's been over a thousand official
documented sightings of the LochNess Monster, you know, over
time, official and Like they'redocumented and stuff.
And then it's got a reputationthat spans nearly 1500 years,
miss Nessy, all these myths, allthese legends for all this time
.
So then the Loch Ness Centerand research group Loch Ness
(13:37):
Exploration are asked, or whatthey were asking at the time?
This, this article that Istarted from, was written Before
it was gonna happen.
I didn't realize that.
So it just happened in August.
Fun fact this, thisinvestigation, just happened in
August.
Yeah, yeah, so basically theyjust sent like drones with
infrared cameras and they flyover the lake and then there's
(13:57):
Like they have like Basically, abunch of radar going through
and all that stuff.
So they basically mapped out theentire fucking lake.
Oh, there was a guy who, like,showed this image of what it can
do because apparently at onepoint they had found a Loch Ness
Monster, like, like, like dummythat was used in a movie at the
bottom of the lake.
So when they were mapping, itout.
When they were mapping them out, there was like this perfect
(14:19):
fucking Nessy Just chilling downthere and they're like oh shit,
it was just a fucking movie.
Prop from way back.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Why is it?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
still in the lake.
Why didn't they take it out?
I don't know if they've takenit out or not.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
They're just like we're gonna leave it.
Yeah, we're gonna check thisout.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, well, nobody ended up finding the monster,
right, of course, but, um, therewas basically like it's crazy.
To me it was such a.
In my opinion, it was a greatmarketing scheme.
Yeah, because it was just theLoch Ness Monster Center, that
basic, or the Loch Ness Center,which, basically, through this
huge event, invited all theseresearchers to come out.
They live streamed the wholething like it's just it would
(14:56):
they?
Like Nessy brings in toScotland about 52 million every
year just to Scotland's economy,right?
So like, just with all of hermerch, all that stuff.
So they thought this huge assevent, they're making bank.
There was like quotes in thesearticles from the general
manager just being like, yeah,you know, we don't know if
they'll find it or not, but comeon.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
It's come up like yeah, it'll bring up the
tourists like Economy again theyjust had dudes patrolling the
the waters like people, peoplelike searching.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
They'll literally just with their hands over their
eyes oh my god, looking forfucking Nessy.
But then they got these coolradar things and the sonar stuff
and then the infrared camerasgo in above the lake and all
that.
So I mean they definitelymapped out the whole lake, but
everybody's just saying, well,the only way to know for sure is
if you ended up draining thewhole lake, and that'll never
happen.
So I guess we'll never know.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
It makes me so happy.
It ends like every other TVshow.
I.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Just think it's funny .
You know, good for that.
Rock on.
You know, I'm sure most peopleknow or don't really believe in
it, but it's what a spectacle tobehold.
Oh, yeah, I freaking love thata lot of this monster believers
just chilling at the lake.
It was like a two-day event,man.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, that's like, it's like a Sasquatch, like
convention.
I feel like, because you can'treally do a Nessie convention
because it's on the wall, Iguess this is close to come.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
At the actual location.
Yeah, no, that's, it's the onlylocation that the Loch Ness
monster could be at.
Yeah, with it, with Bigfoot.
It's like you can be anywhere,and not really, but you there's
like you could be anywhere.
There's a lot of patches.
There's a lot of patches.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Loch Ness is just the one man, it's just the one
patch, unless there's like adeep underwater, like crevice
crevice right it's just a tunnelto like an underwater world
like.
Like my call or the ocean.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Nessie's just out in the ocean this whole time Just
chillin just munching, likemunching down on blue whales,
just taking down cruise ships,it just goes.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
It just goes back to like Loch Ness just to chill,
take a nap.
Yeah, relax, like don't have todeal with the Meg here.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Exactly.
Yeah, man, that's, uh, that'smy, that's my, that's.
My other one is is miss, missNessie.
They never found her.
She's still elusive, she's soelusive.
I know, man, it is just theabsolute, absolute, darnest
thing.
I probably hanging out with theKraken.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I love people's.
I Guess ambition, tenacity liketenacity.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
that's a good word, yeah, just just to never give up
.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Always have hope, always have hope.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And then and then, one day the meteor's gonna come
and take us all out of existence, us, the otter Nessie.
No, nessie's gonna live,nessie's just gonna blast up at
the comment out of the water andjust fucking.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Saves the whole planet.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, and then just flat back down, just flat back
down land on the ocean neverseen again.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
It's like the real Godzilla, except like the most
nice version of it ever.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, 100%, 100%.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Alright, so there's a pretty important movie that
just came out, oh, ian, and itwas directed by this guy.
No one really knows who he is,but his name's Ridley Scott.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Ridley Scott okay.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, yeah, no one really knows.
He did it like a couple movies,like the master and commander
mmm gladiator.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I know gladiator, I was really seeing these movies
love gladiator, what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
and he just recently came out with this one called
the polling in.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Oh, oh, dude, I was just listening to real dictators
thing on the pulley and yeahyeah, what part are you at?
I just finished the firstepisode.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
There's like a six-parter bro, I know, but it's
so good, it's so good anyway sothere's a lot of debate, or not
really debate.
It's just like Confrontationabout this with the historians.
Oh, and Ridley Scott andHollywood, because there's a lot
of historical inaccuracies.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Oh, of course, there is like so many well, even in
gladiator there was the, therewas the moment with the thumb,
the thumb because when it'ssideways don't they live, and
that no, if it's.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
It never goes down yeah it never goes down.
It's either that or it nevergoes up.
Yeah, it doesn't go one way.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah it doesn't go one way or the other.
They have the sideways thumband and I don't remember the
exact order, but they got thatwrong.
Yeah, I know that it's like.
Oh man.
Yeah, it's a thumb.
I think it was for dramaticeffect.
Hollywood man Gotta give thethumbs up and the thumbs down.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, so I'm gonna go through the top 12 Inaccurate
oh boy, okay, no, I'm ready forthis, I'm ready from screen,
rent comm and if it like RidleyScott, is fired back at the
historians, even telling themget a life, which is like kind
of I'm like, oh, come on man,like they really work up really
(19:54):
hard, like they do a lot ofresearch.
It might not be as entertaining, but like don't tell me get a
life.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
That is their life, bro.
Yeah, yeah, cuz they're not inthe pop culture world.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I was about to say, they might not make as much as
you, but they do just asimportant work.
But then it's like they do,they do they do.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It was very important .
Yeah, it's very important.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
He's got his tarnishing it that is true, but
damn, does he make a good movie?
He does.
He does has to make a goodmovie.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
So first one, number 12 Napoleon did not charge into
any battle with his cavalry,because the point no, oh, he was
like.
It depicts him severalinstances Going in direct combat
.
Oh, he was not doing that, hewas hanging back commanding like
a commanding behind.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, and like shut, like, do this, do that it's in
the other thing, the cavalry hadhis time on the front lines,
like in when he was, like whenhe was a young soldier.
Yeah, he had combat, but hedidn't like when he was
commanding the army.
Yeah, he was commanding themother fucking arm.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Now Levin Napoleon was wounded was wounded by
British Bayonetting during thesiege of Talun.
Now it's apparently like thatwas.
They said that he was notinjured in the movie.
He was actually injured.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I got stabbed.
I feel like they would shouldinclude that in the movie.
It might that better.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yeah, it would.
It would be like a little yeah,like an oh no moment.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
You know what I mean like when, when, like I don't
know, when people get cut up inmovies, it's like the, the, the
challenge for the hero toovercome, anyway, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
So and I just want to make sure, yeah, it says like
they left out where he wasBayonetted by a British soldier
while on horseback and the woundthat actually could have
probably killed him.
Yeah, so it's like why'd youleave that out?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
man interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I don't know why.
Now the one thing thateverybody's seen in the
commercial is the giant lakewhere he's firing the
cannonballs and it's frozen overand all the soldiers are
getting plummeted into it.
Okay, there was no giant frozenlake at the Battle of Osterlitz
.
Oh man, they took someliberties there.
They took a lot of liberties.
There was several small pondsand like 20 drownings.
(21:57):
It's just not as excited atleast got like the whole fucking
army, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
We got to make them all fall through the fucking
eyes.
Make them fall through the eyes.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
We're gonna do this huge scene where a bunch of
horses and men died.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, and this cry drowning and getting hypothermia
.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
And one of the big things about that is like you
don't have to over exaggerate,like his ruthlessness, to depict
how much he gave, like howlittle care he cared of or how
little he cared about human life.
Right, like he did not.
No, he's going to win at allcosts.
Yeah, and his story is sofascinating by itself I like
(22:35):
there's just certain things thatyou just didn't really
intertwine right right now.
Another one Napoleon and ArthurWellesley, the Duke of
Wellington.
They actually never met, butapparently in the movie they
meet.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Oh wait, who is the Duke of Wellington again?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Arthur Wellesley.
Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
He's just ringing a bell from my AP European history
class, the Duke of Wellington.
I feel like he was an importantgentleman, but that's okay it
was in.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
It was after the Battle of Waterloo that they
would have probably made likethat when this is they're
depicting like.
But they were at the Battle ofWaterloo but they never met.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Ah, okay.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Okay, now another big thing Napoleon's army never
attacked the Egyptian pyramids.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
So did they say in the movie that they had to?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
commercial.
He's launching the catapultsand hitting fucking things on
the, on the pyramids and thenalso, okay, that's a little much
, yeah, and that's a littlefacing the Sphinx as well.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But okay, napoleon didn't face the same.
Okay, you get.
Okay, that's a little much.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It was only alive 300 years ago, like bro, that it
was already fucked up by Vin.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Like oh, yeah, that's right cuz it is the fit.
Oh, so they made, they gave himcredit for doing yeah, wow,
okay, that's a little much like.
Up until now I've been like, oh, whatever makes for dramatic
scene yet, but that's like justchanging the facts.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah, that's just changing the fact, the battle
didn't even happen near, like insight of the pyramids, because
he went down there and there wasa.
There was a battle, but nevereven fought like Nick, because
the battle is depicted rightnext to the pyramids, right
didn't have a hit in thePyramids, yeah yeah, well, no,
he's just straight upcatapulting Rocks at the pyramid
, right, just like see if he canbreak into it.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Wow, another one is apparently in the movie.
He slaps Josephine.
Napoleon would never haveslapped, josephine.
I was to, napoleon was a loverhe was, and he was absolutely
Obsessed with Josephine for alittle while, until he was not
obsessed with her anymore.
Ah, he did poison her dog.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
So you sure he wouldn't slap her yeah, because
it was like they Devoicing hertall.
Yeah, she was a fuck dude.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Did they put that in the movie?
That I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
It doesn't sound like they did.
Yeah, it's probably.
Nowadays people don't like thatstuff.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
They're gonna get me set.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I you know personally I am legend killed me for that
very.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
It's why I can't like watch every little thing, it's
gonna be all right.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I can't listen to that song now without thinking
of that man.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, that part is set.
Uh, now there's also where, inthe commercial again, napoleon
was not at Marie Antoinette'spublic execution, he just
watched her get thrown in jail,oh yeah, but in the movie they'd
show him they're watching herget hung.
Hmm, dramatic effect, yep, andso that, exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
so okay, it's starting to stack up, though,
now.
You know what I mean.
Like it's starting to stack upthough now, like you took a
little too many liberties.
If it was just one or two ofthese things, the historians
wouldn't be up in an uproar.
There's there.
No, there are no strangers toHollywood.
Directors taking a bit ofliberty, right, yeah, you're
gonna throw it that he defacedthe goddamn sphinx, like the
(25:57):
drowning in the water thing.
That's something they couldoverlook, I think.
Sure that's not a story is,could overlook, but if you go as
far as defacing, as sphinx Imean, come on.
Yeah like being there whensomebody was executed but they
were having to be a woman beater.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, he was at.
He was at.
Napoleon was on garrison dutyin southern France as an officer
in the French military Duringthe French Revolution, and his
opening scene combines twocritical moments that helped
Napoleon's Napoleon about theFrench Revolution.
But it's like he went there.
The only thing is like he wentthere and he saw her get thrown
(26:33):
in jail.
He never actually saw her gethung because he was right Can do
in a garrison right.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
He's the man's on the clock.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Not another one.
That's just kind of likewhatever.
But Napoleon was actuallyterrible at riding horses.
He never actually finished likehis military riding training
and so he was just not thatgreat at riding horses, yeah,
but they go ahead and depict himas a very skilled rider and
what I believe why they depicthim like why he took this
liberty, is because because hedid it like talk to historians
(27:04):
About this and then he wentahead and did his own thing.
So he Like there is a mural ofNapoleon that was that he had
conscripted and done for him andand depicted him as like this
godlike hero saving these peopleon, like this white stallion,
(27:27):
essentially and it was afterthis battle, but in reality that
never happened right, had allthose, it just looked heroic.
He actually had his own fuckingmen killed.
Because, they had some sort ofplague and he was like, fucking
burned the camp.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
It was a bit of a narcissist yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Well, he's a bit of an old-school.
Burn the political game.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, he's like paint me as a hero, which is exactly
what the victors always do.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, yeah now here's another big one.
Napoleon was six years youngerthan Josephine, that's, and in
the movie so like Napoleon wassix years younger, but walking
Phoenix is actually like 15years older than Vanessa Kirby.
Hmm, and I think in the moviedid they depict her as younger
(28:11):
Real life.
Oh, so okay, never mind, I'mtaking this one back.
That's bullshit, whatever.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, I was gonna say I don't really get a shit.
Yeah, cuz you can play whatever.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Okay, now I don't care about that.
I was a trash what I rate thatone trash trash like they're
trying to grab.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
So that's a grower, that's a filler, that's a killer
I had to hit their number?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yep, okay, and then?
This one just being what.
Oh, nope, nope, nope, nope.
Napoleon's mother likely didn'tstage a betting incident,
making like because Josephinecouldn't have kids, and I don't
know.
This one is just I, it's kindof whatever, like I don't care
about his kids at the end of theday, you know yeah, yeah, I
(28:51):
don't really care about thateither.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I do care about the whole things, the things Sphinx
thing yeah, that's, that's thebig one.
For me that's not making sense.
And then just having him be atthese different or meet these
different people or be it, soMarie Antoinette's execution,
like I just feel like that's alittle bit too much.
When you stack all of thosethings together, one of those
things separate is fine, yeah,but like all of them, you know,
(29:14):
do all of that like come on.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yep well.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
The only reason I'm mad, though, is like it's not
like you took a boring dude.
I made a movie about him.
Mm-hmm, it's like the dude'sexciting enough to make a movie
about.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Now this is In the movie.
Josephine suggests to have adivorce with Napoleon.
Absolutely bullshit.
She was terrified of beingdivorced from Napoleon.
She begs Napoleon not to leaveher in real life Okay.
(29:47):
Because she's a socialite andshe just kind of always makes
fun of him to her othersocialite aristocratic friends
and reads out in public, outloud, his love letters that he's
writing her while he's in allthese battles, like he's
professing his love to her allthe time and just how he doesn't
want the world to go on with,like he wants her to be his
(30:07):
entire world and da, da, da, dada.
And she's making fun of him,but she's like using him as like
a tool to be in these highsocial circles.
Oh, yeah, and then the morefamous and powerful he got, the
more that she was like oh I needto be here, but I've already.
She was cheating on him.
They both cheated on each othera bunch of times, Right?
(30:29):
But yeah, that's one thing.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Ah see, that's interesting.
I didn't know that about her.
Oh yeah, she was like justdogging on him back home,
cheating on him.
But I guess they were cheatingon each other.
They were Interesting.
I didn't know any of that.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yeah, she cheated on him with one of his, like
lieutenants too, ah, and then heended up getting stationed,
like in bum fuck, nowhere forthe rest of his life.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Mmm Yep.
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Surprised he didn't get killedor poisoned like the dog, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Now the biggest one, number one here, and it's on the
poster of the movie.
It says he came from nothingand conquered all.
Napoleon did not come fromnothing and he did not conquer
everything.
Okay, he came from nobility.
Yeah, he had a lot ofopportunity and he was born on
(31:23):
the Italian island of Corsica,meaning that he had more
opportunity than most to makeconnections and establish a name
for himself.
And then he definitely didn'tconquer everything, especially
Russia or Great Britain.
Yeah, because it depicts that hewas fighting England, great
Britain, and it just didn'thappen and he fucking ended up
(31:46):
losing and his whole empire thathe did build just got
demolished and sunk in and thathis entire army fucking froze to
death in Russia and heabandoned them.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, he's like well, this was a mistake.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, there will be down the line, definitely a
series on Napoleon that we do.
But before I do that, I want toread Napoleon a Life.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
It's only a small like 900 page book.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, it's just a baby.
Just a babe, it's just a babyBaby.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
But yeah, that'll be.
That'll be down the line when Ihave more time to read books
like that and can Build up thescript.
No, that's fair.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Those books are well, especially nonfiction books.
Man, A lot of nonfiction booksare tough reads just because
it's like interesting stuff.
But the authors who write themsometimes are like just
historians just telling you thefacts.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
And they don't like.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
they're not authors, they're not storytellers usually
.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
You know what I mean, right.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
That's why I like my fiction novels.
Man.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
They are fun.
I do read a lot of those.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
So let's recap.
We talked about.
We talked about my fun littleotter.
We talked about how the worldmight end at any time.
We talked about the Loch NessMonster largest, largest search
for Nessie in the last 50 years.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
In the last 50 years.
Yeah, how long time.
Yes, yeah, and then, and thenwe Historical inaccuracies from
the biggest Napoleon movie thatprobably will ever be.
Yeah, I mean, I'm still kind ofexcited to see it though.
Oh, I'm super pumped to see it.
Yeah, I'm sure, it's absolutelygorgeous, like it's got to be
so well done.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, I'm sure it's a great movie.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Just know that it's complete, like it's just it's
fiction.
Yeah, it's all fiction, thismovie.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Well, I'm sure there's some historical
accuracies as well as theinaccuracies.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I guess the biggest part of it is the like the, the
biggest nonfiction.
Part of it is his effect on theworld.
Yeah, that is definitelyaccurate, and you can do it in a
million ways, but he had asignificant effect.
Yeah, and I think that whatI've read historians say that
that it does definitely capturethat aspect.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
All right, all right.
Well, there we freaking have itman oh yeah, still pumped to
see the movie.
Yeah, all right, how youfeeling?
You alive Dude I am.
I am going to take moremucinacs after we're done here
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Speaker 1 (34:11):
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Speaker 2 (34:12):
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