Drive-By Cinema, Poor Things

Movie adaptation of Alasdair Gray's novel, Poor Things is dissected by Paul and Rick. 

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Hello! This is Drive By Cinema. 2 00:00:13,524.036858196 --> 00:00:17,869.227104448 We've reached season four and episode level forty two. 3 00:00:18,194.227104448 --> 00:00:19,104.227104448 No turning back now. 4 00:00:19,321.337679037 --> 00:00:20,351.337679037 That was my co host Paul. 5 00:00:20,776.337679037 --> 00:00:22,686.337679037 And that's the secret of the meaning of life. 6 00:00:22,886.337679037 --> 00:00:24,16.337679037 And I'm Rick. 7 00:00:24,184.214193905 --> 00:00:24,904.215193905 It is Richard here. 8 00:00:25,314.215193905 --> 00:00:30,85.214896068 42 isn't it? 42 is the answer to the question of the meaning of life, yes. 9 00:00:30,374.094039402 --> 00:00:32,334.094039402 Life, the universe, and everything. 10 00:00:32,506.80996026 --> 00:00:33,246.80996026 42. 11 00:00:33,621.713606093 --> 00:00:45,691.713606093 once again, this month, we have suddenly become In the last week or so we have We have become a majority us audience podcast so Howdy, good day. 12 00:00:45,731.713606093 --> 00:00:50,311.712606093 No, that's australian Howdy, have a nice day, etc. 13 00:00:50,619.34021026 --> 00:00:51,219.34021026 Welcome. 14 00:00:51,339.34121026 --> 00:00:53,679.34121026 Don't feel alienated I'm tight. 15 00:00:54,75.158918593 --> 00:01:02,525.158918593 And as a consequence I need to go back I need to rewind many episodes to correct something I said Oh, the highness things you said about American people. 16 00:01:02,988.815168593 --> 00:01:19,818.814168593 I said something about Trump's legal trouble, which I do feel as things are coming to a bit of a head now, I just need to clarify Uh because I'd, I'd made this case that Trump was being prosecuted for his handling of documents after his presidency had ended. 17 00:01:20,182.804751927 --> 00:01:20,582.804751927 Yeah. 18 00:01:20,837.91933526 --> 00:01:22,957.91933526 I made the case that it didn't matter whether or not. 19 00:01:23,627.91933526 --> 00:01:25,197.91933526 The documents were classified. 20 00:01:25,457.796939427 --> 00:01:30,877.796939427 he was still supposed to hand them over under the Presidential Records Act to the Archives. 21 00:01:31,717.796939427 --> 00:01:35,77.795939427 Which is true, but I don't think that would have been a serious crime. 22 00:01:35,371.64589776 --> 00:01:44,375.98604359 And so what the prosecution did charge him with is an espionage related charge to do with the fact They were, in fact, classified documents. 23 00:01:44,750.53812693 --> 00:01:49,510.53812693 the cases that are before the court are actually about the fact that these were classified documents. 24 00:01:49,520.53812693 --> 00:01:51,497.60323109 So, just worth clarifying that point. 25 00:01:51,771.73343943 --> 00:01:54,641.73343943 As we are now in American podcasts, it would seem. 26 00:01:55,228.11364776 --> 00:02:00,652.61106573 I mean, but will he ultimately get more than a wrap on the hand for these? Or these transgressions are a nodgy thing. 27 00:02:01,125.71675323 --> 00:02:26,770.71575323 I mean, he has several court cases at the moment, He's a busy life, hasn't he? You know, it's like, it's like a whole soap opera going on there, isn't it? So for the first one, where he gets convicted, it will be like his first offence, and maybe he'll get let off, Oh but But pretty soon after that, pretty soon after that you'd think he's gonna start being a repeat offender and they're gonna have to start giving, giving him custodial sentences. 28 00:02:26,770.71675323 --> 00:02:43,529.46724542 That's how it works, isn't it? Meanwhile for all our new American listeners, I have to point out that for reasons that we have not yet been able to explain, our most popular episode ever is the one where we review Synchronic, the time travelling movie. 29 00:02:43,619.46724542 --> 00:02:47,699.46724542 of ambulance, isn't it? The ability of ambulances to travel through time or something like that. 30 00:02:48,804.46724542 --> 00:02:51,904.46724542 Well, he travels mostly through time on his sofa, to be fair. 31 00:02:53,105.99740167 --> 00:03:05,2.75828448 that's a bit embarrassing for me because I spend, I don't know, about three or four minutes on an elaborate pun about blanket bands, A what? Mm bands, Paul. 32 00:03:05,832.75828448 --> 00:03:10,362.75828448 I make this big thing about how whenever something bad happens there's always calls. 33 00:03:10,686.42745951 --> 00:03:11,756.42745951 For a blanket ban. 34 00:03:11,756.42745951 --> 00:03:13,606.42745951 And I said, I don't think blankets are that bad. 35 00:03:13,616.42745951 --> 00:03:15,116.42745951 I don't think it should, there should be banned. 36 00:03:15,701.42745951 --> 00:03:16,71.42745951 hmm. 37 00:03:16,315.40008315 --> 00:03:22,988.75389881 I feel like I should apologize that on our most popular episode, I lavished so much time on that, on that, Yeah. 38 00:03:23,13.75489881 --> 00:03:27,528.75389881 on that joke, which has failed to raise a smile from you a videocast, you know. 39 00:03:27,693.75389881 --> 00:03:36,678.01389881 for a second time, Like, at that moment of embarrassment I could remove my sleeves and film on a hot day, couldn't I? Yeah. 40 00:03:36,678.01389881 --> 00:03:39,373.75389881 Mm but I was thinking more seriously though. 41 00:03:39,913.75389881 --> 00:03:43,293.75389881 About, I don't know if you've heard the term that's sometimes used. 42 00:03:43,658.85107809 --> 00:03:49,918.85007809 I mean, obviously at the moment Ukraine is being attacked by Russia, and we've got terrible things happening in Gaza. 43 00:03:50,368.85107809 --> 00:03:56,93.85107809 Not to make light of those things, but sometimes they use the term carpet bomb, don't they? They do. 44 00:03:56,306.49287676 --> 00:03:59,666.49287676 In reference to advertising, isn't it? A carpet bomb advertising campaign. 45 00:03:59,998.83519707 --> 00:04:04,283.01806029 I think it's usually used for actually dropping lots of bombs, isn't it? bombs. 46 00:04:04,625.66779946 --> 00:04:06,195.66779946 But, see, you raise a great point. 47 00:04:06,575.66779946 --> 00:04:10,885.66779946 These terms, which are, after all, metaphors, I think we should be careful about them. 48 00:04:11,245.66779946 --> 00:04:24,695.66679946 And so, I think there is a case for a blanket ban on umbrella terms, like carpet bombing, terms that, where people couch their language in ways which might cushion the impact of their words. 49 00:04:24,695.76679946 --> 00:04:30,855.66779946 Don't, And so you say hide behind the blanket with the cushion on the couch. 50 00:04:31,515.66779946 --> 00:04:39,35.66679946 Is that what you're leading to, Rich? don't let people furnish themselves with these defensive language rhetoric. 51 00:04:39,275.66779946 --> 00:04:40,225.66779946 furnishings. 52 00:04:41,845.66779946 --> 00:04:44,310.66779946 your punchline going to be, though? don't have a punchline. 53 00:04:44,660.66779946 --> 00:04:46,760.66779946 We'll have to play some music to get me out of this. 54 00:04:47,5.25526082 --> 00:05:10,210.25526082 Cue music! Paul. 55 00:05:10,330.25526082 --> 00:05:17,230.25526082 Stickler, for tradition as I am, I'm going to insist that you say the name of this film, because I'm incapable of saying it in a northern enough way. 56 00:05:17,750.25526082 --> 00:05:20,690.25526082 Not Northern Richard, just received pronunciation. 57 00:05:20,750.25526082 --> 00:05:21,320.25526082 Yeah, normal. 58 00:05:21,570.25526082 --> 00:05:23,550.25526082 Well, dictionary way. 59 00:05:23,894.54141497 --> 00:05:25,634.54141497 Received pronunciate I know. 60 00:05:25,684.54141497 --> 00:05:26,174.54141497 Okay. 61 00:05:26,324.54141497 --> 00:05:29,794.54141497 Well, pronunciation proving the point that you can't say it, yes. 62 00:05:31,424.54141497 --> 00:05:34,14.54141497 Well, what is the name? Poor things. 63 00:05:34,534.54141497 --> 00:05:35,464.54141497 Poor Things. 64 00:05:35,564.54141497 --> 00:05:36,554.54141497 Not Poor Things. 65 00:05:36,914.54141497 --> 00:05:42,778.30784867 Poor things is maybe? There's plenty of animals in this film, Paul. 66 00:05:42,778.40784867 --> 00:05:47,528.30784867 This but potentially could be animal things. 67 00:05:47,908.30784867 --> 00:05:48,828.30784867 Poor things. 68 00:05:49,196.7639793 --> 00:05:51,496.7649793 or poor things, if you'd like to say it that way. 69 00:05:51,561.8649793 --> 00:05:58,666.6649793 And is a brand new film by August, favourite Greek director, Yorgos Lanthimos. 70 00:05:59,619.9322053 --> 00:06:02,639.9322053 and it is from 2023, as you rightly say, poor things. 71 00:06:02,809.9322053 --> 00:06:04,789.9312053 it was a storm at the box office. 72 00:06:04,839.9322053 --> 00:06:06,429.9322053 Absolute smash. 73 00:06:06,904.9322053 --> 00:06:08,324.9322053 It also is award winning. 74 00:06:08,414.9312053 --> 00:06:09,524.9322053 I think it got an Oscar. 75 00:06:09,708.26453863 --> 00:06:11,189.68068501 Maybe three Oscars or something. 76 00:06:11,234.68168501 --> 00:06:11,674.68168501 Uh huh. 77 00:06:11,706.34835167 --> 00:06:17,461.34835167 Now, his last film that we reviewed fairly recently was Dogtooth, where Which we, we kind of liked. 78 00:06:17,936.34835167 --> 00:06:25,717.34731098 Yeah, it was quirky, right? And it was about, young women and a young man who were trapped inside compound of their home and not let out. 79 00:06:25,945.68164432 --> 00:06:28,615.68164432 It was a situation of arrested development, you might argue. 80 00:06:29,140.68164432 --> 00:06:30,180.68164432 I think that's fair. 81 00:06:30,410.68164432 --> 00:06:43,820.68164432 And there's some parallels with this, but he didn't, you don't he didn't write this film, did he? I know, I was just saying it's just made the same fill over and over again, but it's not, it is novel it's based on, No, it's a, by a writer called Alastair Gray. 82 00:06:43,980.68064432 --> 00:06:46,800.68164432 Mm That was published in 1992, I think. 83 00:06:47,40.68164432 --> 00:06:47,510.68164432 Wow. 84 00:06:47,657.34831098 --> 00:06:52,734.01397765 As I understand it, Alastair Gray is, I was going to say Scottish, but I think the novel is set in Glasgow. 85 00:06:53,0.68064432 --> 00:06:54,910.68064432 And I'm assuming Alasdair Gray is Scottish. 86 00:06:54,970.68064432 --> 00:06:56,350.68064432 I obviously haven't read the novel. 87 00:06:56,380.68164432 --> 00:06:57,520.68164432 I'm sure you haven't either. 88 00:06:57,640.68164432 --> 00:07:01,510.68164432 The film differs radically from Alasdair Gray's novel. 89 00:07:01,764.01497765 --> 00:07:08,687.34731098 Right, so you're saying there wasn't a young person confined, to a compound and, developing in the way that most people do. 90 00:07:08,784.01397765 --> 00:07:09,234.01397765 In the novel. 91 00:07:09,370.68164432 --> 00:07:11,290.68164432 I do wonder how radically it differs. 92 00:07:11,500.68164432 --> 00:07:16,830.68164432 The full name of the novel is Poor Things, episodes from the early life of Archibald McCandless, M. 93 00:07:16,830.68164432 --> 00:07:17,150.68164432 D., 94 00:07:17,400.68064432 --> 00:07:19,80.68164432 Scottish public health officer. 95 00:07:19,419.01497765 --> 00:07:20,629.01497765 Wow, okay. 96 00:07:20,744.01497765 --> 00:07:31,835.68164432 And apparently it's told as four separate narratives, so four different characters, whereas in this film we almost exclusively follow one character, don't we? We do, that played by Bella Baxter. 97 00:07:31,915.68164432 --> 00:07:33,65.68164432 Played by Ella Stone. 98 00:07:33,92.34831098 --> 00:07:34,862.34831098 The character is Bella Baxter. 99 00:07:34,862.34831098 --> 00:07:35,362.34831098 Yes. 100 00:07:35,402.34831098 --> 00:07:38,282.34831098 Oh, sorry, Bella Baxter is the name of the character. 101 00:07:38,472.34831098 --> 00:07:39,282.34831098 Yes. 102 00:07:39,315.68164432 --> 00:07:49,275.68064432 Oh, You'd never heard of Emma Stone? You just thought it was a random character name? I? Emma Stone? Well, she's famous? winning actress who I believe won an Oscar for this role. 103 00:07:49,439.01497765 --> 00:07:51,49.01497765 Oh, she's famous because of this, right. 104 00:07:51,49.11497765 --> 00:07:53,449.01397765 Is famous for other films as well, Paul. 105 00:07:53,599.01497765 --> 00:07:56,909.01397765 really British or is she putting on that No, she is American. 106 00:07:57,22.34831098 --> 00:08:01,572.34831098 Well done, because she sounded rather, rather Emma Stone's accent is impeccable. 107 00:08:01,602.34831098 --> 00:08:02,512.34831098 It's cut glass. 108 00:08:02,792.34831098 --> 00:08:06,692.34831098 Not necessarily true of some of the other actors in this film. 109 00:08:06,692.34831098 --> 00:08:07,422.34731098 We may come to that. 110 00:08:07,564.01497765 --> 00:08:09,954.01497765 I thought, was that Willem Dafoe? And it is, of course, Willem Dafoe. 111 00:08:09,979.01497765 --> 00:08:12,349.01397765 Yeah, now we were listen well, no, that's not true. 112 00:08:12,749.01497765 --> 00:08:24,459.01497765 I was listening to William Dafoe's voice in last week's movie, Tales From Earthsea, You were, weren't you? And you where saying it was he whispered the non binary villains lines for the entire movie. 113 00:08:24,639.01497765 --> 00:08:25,639.01497765 And it was a great performance. 114 00:08:25,639.01497765 --> 00:08:26,338.91497765 It was. 115 00:08:26,779.01497765 --> 00:08:31,557.34831098 In this, I think William Dafoe is doing a Scottish accent, Sometimes. 116 00:08:31,602.34831098 --> 00:08:33,822.34831098 yeah, it's not terrible. 117 00:08:33,852.34831098 --> 00:08:43,20.01393696 It's not terrible, and I, it was recognisably Scottish, right? Okay, wasn't it? That sometimes wasn't an accent at all. 118 00:08:43,435.01393696 --> 00:08:48,755.01491153 so this film opens, cold open, with a woman dressed in blue, standing on a bridge. 119 00:08:48,905.01491153 --> 00:08:49,835.01491153 She throws herself in. 120 00:08:49,980.01391153 --> 00:08:50,350.01391153 Yeah. 121 00:08:50,633.34724486 --> 00:09:00,574.80770343 With a frock, you'd think you'd take that expensive frock off, wouldn't you? I about to die, why would you take your clothes off? Trigger warning, by the way, for people killing themselves. 122 00:09:00,730.07255689 --> 00:09:05,185.07255689 Actually, I was watching some guy on YouTube Shorts oh no. 123 00:09:05,490.07255689 --> 00:09:07,380.07255689 He's a recovering, whatever. 124 00:09:07,471.11253792 --> 00:09:09,661.11253792 alcohol and Addict of some kind, yeah, okay. 125 00:09:09,881.11253792 --> 00:09:11,631.11253792 just all mixed together ridiculously. 126 00:09:11,921.11253792 --> 00:09:16,531.11253792 And he was saying, I was drinking three fifths I had to google what is an American fifth. 127 00:09:16,871.11253792 --> 00:09:19,851.11153792 A fifth is a full bottle of vodka. 128 00:09:20,91.11153792 --> 00:09:22,741.11153792 He's drinking three bottles of vodka and his drug habit a day. 129 00:09:23,360.29881942 --> 00:09:26,74.92635531 and his wife ended herself. 130 00:09:26,445.63150026 --> 00:09:35,210.3299817 he was saying like in the two months Before then, she was so happy and so, so relieved of the little weight that she carried on her shoulders. 131 00:09:35,650.3299817 --> 00:09:37,330.3289817 Why, because she generous. 132 00:09:37,510.3299817 --> 00:09:40,320.3299817 she decided she was going to do it? Yeah. 133 00:09:40,480.3299817 --> 00:09:40,950.3299817 wow. 134 00:09:41,60.3299817 --> 00:09:43,560.3299817 and was giving stuff away, and that kind of stuff. 135 00:09:43,560.3299817 --> 00:09:49,770.68255417 So maybe you're right, maybe people don't care about material things as they're about to make that I think it's only rational, Paul. 136 00:09:49,880.68155417 --> 00:09:50,850.68155417 You can't take it with you. 137 00:09:51,30.6488875 --> 00:09:52,940.58255417 if the thing, isn't it? Mmm. 138 00:09:54,560.68255417 --> 00:10:02,500.68255417 Now the film switches to black and white at this point, and remains in black and white up until what I presume is a significant moment later in the film. 139 00:10:03,270.68255417 --> 00:10:08,650.68255417 And I'd like to discuss later in the film why it changes back to colour, but I did, I'm not sure I know the answer, but we'll see. 140 00:10:09,60.68255417 --> 00:10:09,320.68255417 huh. 141 00:10:09,540.68255417 --> 00:10:17,186.19359887 Anyway, we see a woman, long black hair, in front of a piano, angrily stabbing at the keys, like an infant would, I suppose. 142 00:10:17,896.19359887 --> 00:10:20,196.19359887 Later with her feet, as we pan round. 143 00:10:21,526.19359887 --> 00:10:23,86.09359887 And this is Emma Stone, as you can see. 144 00:10:23,626.19359887 --> 00:10:24,766.19359887 We know that you don't know. 145 00:10:25,434.84994404 --> 00:10:29,768.52402558 William Dafoe is heavily scarred and enters the room Yes. 146 00:10:29,868.52402558 --> 00:10:30,518.52402558 he's watching her. 147 00:10:31,110.90966575 --> 00:10:39,153.70008325 the film's score at this point, I'm assuming it's not just my, my streaming service going funny, but it was quite weirdly discordant. 148 00:10:39,407.44511034 --> 00:10:44,967.44511034 It was very disquieting kind of, was that, I've got a confession to make oh, you watched it with the sound off. 149 00:10:45,50.34439605 --> 00:10:46,307.34511034 was watching it on 1. 150 00:10:46,307.44511034 --> 00:10:48,317.44511034 25x speed. 151 00:10:49,798.36309192 --> 00:10:51,873.36309192 sometimes when you do that, You don't get it. 152 00:10:51,943.36309192 --> 00:10:52,443.36309192 Okay. 153 00:10:53,73.36309192 --> 00:10:53,523.36309192 Right. 154 00:10:53,688.36309192 --> 00:10:57,658.36309192 know if it was the It was weird, but I don't know if it was weird because I was watching at 1. 155 00:10:57,793.36309192 --> 00:10:59,753.36309192 I think it was weird at normal speed. 156 00:10:59,853.36309192 --> 00:11:04,763.36209192 So I think in this case, you've preserved the essential quality of the soundtrack, Paul. 157 00:11:05,188.36309192 --> 00:11:05,808.36309192 Okay. 158 00:11:06,93.36309192 --> 00:11:11,48.36209192 go, like, squeaky, like Mickey Mouse when you do this? no, no, no. 159 00:11:11,393.36209192 --> 00:11:11,663.36209192 Oh. 160 00:11:11,728.36309192 --> 00:11:12,288.36309192 not at all. 161 00:11:12,298.36209192 --> 00:11:13,838.36309192 They They retain their pitch. 162 00:11:13,940.9773008 --> 00:11:22,813.13036366 But if you go to like If you go to like, university student speed, know, when they're recapping on their lectures they've missed, which is 2x, It gets weird. 163 00:11:23,178.12936366 --> 00:11:32,3.99513607 But it's not pitched up because modern high speed things on MP3s and stuff, they don't simply speed up the playback of the medium. 164 00:11:32,229.34770855 --> 00:11:36,805.77789007 They compress the time, but they maintain the pitch using a Fourier transform. 165 00:11:37,161.1836717 --> 00:11:37,611.1836717 Clever. 166 00:11:37,889.84001686 --> 00:11:38,479.84001686 It is clapping. 167 00:11:38,945.87899789 --> 00:11:40,575.82999789 so you're watching it at 1. 168 00:11:40,575.82999789 --> 00:11:42,415.8799979 5 speed, so for you this, 25. 169 00:11:42,415.97999789 --> 00:11:43,385.77999789 1. 170 00:11:43,495.87999789 --> 00:11:47,395.87899789 you, for you this movie was of comfortable length, no doubt. 171 00:11:48,415.8799979 --> 00:11:50,195.87899789 Well, I would say 2 hours 20. 172 00:11:50,305.87999789 --> 00:11:51,225.8799979 That's why I did it. 173 00:11:51,225.87999789 --> 00:11:56,135.77999789 2 hours 20 is maybe just a little bit longer than I want to be spending watching a feature length movie. 174 00:11:56,135.8799979 --> 00:11:59,45.77999789 I'll go to 2 hours, maybe 2 hours 5. 175 00:11:59,265.7799979 --> 00:12:01,815.77999789 If, and then I'll skip the credits, you know 2 hours or 5. 176 00:12:02,585.77999789 --> 00:12:05,55.72999789 2 hours 20, at that point you've got to take a 1. 177 00:12:05,55.72999789 --> 00:12:06,25.77999789 25 decision, Richard, I think. 178 00:12:06,195.77999789 --> 00:12:09,0.47939342 Okay, so yeah, so it does start black and white. 179 00:12:09,50.47939342 --> 00:12:12,900.47939342 we do have, uh, she's plinking plonking on the piano and being very discordant about it all. 180 00:12:13,270.47939342 --> 00:12:15,360.47939342 But as you say, there's a discordant soundtrack anyway. 181 00:12:15,360.47939342 --> 00:12:20,957.81462411 and in walks, I don't know what, I don't know what his, God, where'd he go? She calls him God, doesn't He's called Godwin. 182 00:12:21,17.81362411 --> 00:12:22,177.81462411 She calls him God, yeah. 183 00:12:22,527.81362411 --> 00:12:26,637.81462411 Willem Dafoe's character God, Which is symbolic in and of itself, isn't it? Yes. 184 00:12:26,744.10110757 --> 00:12:31,205.07151948 Quite heavily and drearily symbolic, let's He is God in this little universe. 185 00:12:31,205.07151948 --> 00:12:46,360.90272779 Mm him eating dinner with her, and he's hooked up to a very weird apparatus It's not clear what it's there for at the moment, except what seems to be a party trick, because I thought it was just like a, some sort of steampunk, brass punk, victoriana party trick. 186 00:12:46,535.90172779 --> 00:12:51,540.2695847 Because at the end of his meal, he burps a bubble, Yes, but it's a bubble. 187 00:12:51,545.2705847 --> 00:12:54,95.01638142 and it rises from his mouth and then pops. 188 00:12:54,250.01588142 --> 00:12:54,690.01538142 bubble. 189 00:12:54,745.01638142 --> 00:12:56,115.01638142 Yeah, it is a large bubble. 190 00:12:56,383.07018585 --> 00:13:02,524.14145148 Now this guy, Godwin, played by Dafoe, we see him later giving a lecture in an operating theatre. 191 00:13:02,963.4302119 --> 00:13:12,322.23096971 My understanding is that the word operating theatre, the name, actually comes from these anatomy classes, where someone would dissect a body in a theatre. 192 00:13:12,322.23096971 --> 00:13:21,688.206277 Is that, have I got that right? Yeah, theatre is, a high seated, high benched, octagonal or circular classroom, isn't it? Right. 193 00:13:22,57.31760513 --> 00:13:27,757.31860513 And then we get the Victorian anatomy classrooms, which are arranged like theatres. 194 00:13:27,757.41860513 --> 00:13:31,527.31860513 And that gives us the word operating theatre, which is what in hospitals. 195 00:13:31,602.31860513 --> 00:13:34,107.31860513 halls were arranged like theaters, weren't they? Sure. 196 00:13:34,122.31860513 --> 00:13:53,580.20496113 most lecture halls were ra arranged as front facing theaters, whereas, an anatomy operating theater is, is is more arranged like an amphitheater or an octagonal theater? I think But the weird thing here that I'm highlighting is word, or the term, operating theatre has stuck for the place where you go to have your innards messed with. 197 00:13:53,580.20496113 --> 00:13:54,640.20496113 Yeah, yeah, okay. 198 00:13:55,10.78319689 --> 00:13:58,950.78319689 There are a bunch of students watching Godwin do his anatomy lesson. 199 00:13:59,215.78319689 --> 00:14:04,587.85041796 Two snobs and our, don't know what you say hero here because he, he's a bit whimpish at times in the Ooh. 200 00:14:04,612.85041796 --> 00:14:08,947.85041796 but our, our focus, kind of alpha man that Paul looks for in a hero, clearly. 201 00:14:09,414.54511479 --> 00:14:13,249.54411479 Max McCandless, I think his name is? but candles, yeah. 202 00:14:13,439.54511479 --> 00:14:15,759.54511479 He ends up being called Candles and all that, yeah. 203 00:14:17,801.87523815 --> 00:14:21,741.87423815 he's a bit of a sycophant for Godwin, isn't he? And Godwin recruits him. 204 00:14:22,171.87523815 --> 00:14:22,421.87523815 yeah. 205 00:14:22,681.87523815 --> 00:14:26,21.87523815 He recruits him as an assistant to a project he's working on. 206 00:14:26,452.66505666 --> 00:14:30,702.66505666 Not before the two snotty students in front say, Oh God, I hate watching these anatomy things and. 207 00:14:30,812.84838317 --> 00:14:32,875.30599879 It's worse when it's done by a monster, kind of thing. 208 00:14:32,965.30599879 --> 00:14:36,427.17023313 A reference to the fact that Goblin Heavily Scarred, yeah. 209 00:14:36,735.53137054 --> 00:14:40,250.54515953 then they go back to Godwin's house, don't they? two things I want to say here. 210 00:14:40,250.54515953 --> 00:14:40,565.44515953 Godwin's house, yeah. 211 00:14:40,715.54515953 --> 00:14:47,268.49692042 I was thinking, my god, this is just like a complete rehash of Frankenstein, but with a monster like as one of the university lecturers. 212 00:14:47,308.49692042 --> 00:14:48,618.49592042 But it wasn't, as it turned out. 213 00:14:48,798.49692042 --> 00:14:58,51.29067545 Also, because it's black and white, it's sort of strangely reminiscent of The Elephant Man, David Lynch's Elephant Man, that was a hard movie to get it was a bit grim. 214 00:14:58,450.66903791 --> 00:15:02,220.66903791 This movie is set, though, in, apparently, this is London. 215 00:15:02,382.504016 --> 00:15:03,622.505016 But it's, Well. 216 00:15:03,706.89616746 --> 00:15:04,926.89716746 oh, Paul's not sure. 217 00:15:05,145.7104049 --> 00:15:11,285.7104049 Well I was just reading about, up on the novelist and he likes to write novels, he called, Alasdair Gray. 218 00:15:11,390.11702361 --> 00:15:17,671.9530017 he likes to write novels that combine realism and, well things that are not real, let's face Fantasy realism. 219 00:15:18,251.9530017 --> 00:15:35,283.39339227 fantasy realism, whatever that is, I guess this is an example of it, if it's made it onto the celluloid screen, I imagine it has, his vision of a I don't know what, how do you call this? Like a, uh, If War of the Worlds Had Come True Londoner, It's an alternative steampunk London, yeah. 220 00:15:35,693.152875 --> 00:15:40,203.152875 again, we know that it's an alternative parallel world because later we see an airship. 221 00:15:40,617.26478146 --> 00:15:42,627.26578146 You probably missed it, but we do see an airship later. 222 00:15:43,45.51389386 --> 00:15:52,189.55350304 but also, it's got a load of kind of art deco buildings, hasn't it? And it's in a Victorian kind of setting, so It's, an anachronistic. 223 00:15:52,372.78782645 --> 00:15:53,492.78782645 kind of architectural. 224 00:15:53,497.78782645 --> 00:16:07,496.60840879 Yes, it's, juxtaposed, isn't it? I guess is the way you might describe The other thing that we see around this point that's very clear is the cinematography uses really amazing switches of lenses. 225 00:16:07,506.60840879 --> 00:16:14,660.75514638 we get fisheye kind of lenses sweeping around and we get, close ups and Is it still in black and white at it's all in black and white up to this point. 226 00:16:14,944.93571508 --> 00:16:17,424.93571508 In fact, like halfway through the movie, I believe. 227 00:16:17,739.93671508 --> 00:16:18,149.93671508 Wow. 228 00:16:18,312.85921972 --> 00:16:19,982.86021972 It's difficult though, isn't it? When you imagine it. 229 00:16:20,239.78654143 --> 00:16:21,319.78654143 I forgot about that pain. 230 00:16:22,872.51381416 --> 00:16:25,282.51281416 I see no reason why movies should be black and white, I'm sorry. 231 00:16:25,671.60472325 --> 00:16:33,992.09886852 But the interesting thing is, it's very easy to imagine it being colourful, isn't it? Because first of all, later we see it in colour, so we have a memory of it. 232 00:16:34,686.56199974 --> 00:16:43,726.9851653 But also, some images, your mind, your brain just puts colour in anyway, doesn't it? If you get shown a picture of a strawberry, in black and white, your brain kind of reads it red. 233 00:16:43,897.3652855 --> 00:16:44,367.3652855 Amazingly. 234 00:16:44,426.744648 --> 00:16:49,872.9467671 I don't know, have you seen that optical illusion? No, okay, maybe I will delight you with that one time, Paul. 235 00:16:50,202.9467671 --> 00:16:53,952.9467671 try to hold on to the mystery and suspense of that idea. 236 00:16:54,904.9207864 --> 00:17:02,393.211944 yeah, so our student, Max, goes into the house, is met by Bella, who immediately, I think, strikes him on meeting him. 237 00:17:02,762.533794 --> 00:17:05,32.532794 Yeah, he says, what a beautiful retard. 238 00:17:06,862.533794 --> 00:17:08,92.533794 Does he really? I don't even remember that. 239 00:17:09,482.533794 --> 00:17:13,2.532794 Yeah, I mean, there are some classic comments throughout this movie. 240 00:17:13,182.532794 --> 00:17:14,192.533794 That one's stuck. 241 00:17:14,242.633794 --> 00:17:18,812.633794 Well, Godwin explains that she suffered a mental injury which he has repaired. 242 00:17:19,144.017672 --> 00:17:24,278.3667783 Yeah, he's quite tight lipped about it all, isn't he? It's clear that Max is captivated by her because she's very pretty. 243 00:17:24,504.9494501 --> 00:17:26,864.9494501 And he's tasked now with recording her behavior. 244 00:17:26,934.9484501 --> 00:17:28,914.9484501 her development, her improvements, really. 245 00:17:29,94.9494501 --> 00:17:29,404.9494501 yeah. 246 00:17:29,644.8919376 --> 00:17:31,934.8929376 So he follows her around with a notebook. 247 00:17:32,186.3050719 --> 00:17:35,186.3050719 he watches what she eats and what words she's using. 248 00:17:35,413.5648938 --> 00:17:36,893.5648938 She's not very good at eating at this point. 249 00:17:36,893.5648938 --> 00:17:40,783.5648938 She just puts food in her mouth generally, and it falls immediately out of her mouth afterwards. 250 00:17:41,135.0052843 --> 00:17:44,695.0052843 And she tries to eat kippers and ends up throwing some at Max. 251 00:17:45,27.1658702 --> 00:17:50,992.2782169 And then later we see her in Goldwyn's, laboratory or anatomy lab in his own house. 252 00:17:51,32.2782169 --> 00:17:54,759.0057449 He has his own kind of dungeon where he does this kind of stuff with his housekeeper. 253 00:17:55,824.2517768 --> 00:18:05,776.2428252 he working on a live body that time? I thought they were all cadavers, And she, and she says, can I have a go? And he says, or maybe this is a bit later, he says, No, no, Bella must do the dead ones. 254 00:18:06,54.3641236 --> 00:18:07,494.3641236 only the dead ones, yeah. 255 00:18:07,676.2283579 --> 00:18:08,856.2283579 Only the dead ones, yeah. 256 00:18:09,31.2283579 --> 00:18:18,454.6177516 And she goes over to a body they've just got conveniently lying around, she plays with its dick for a bit, I guess she's curious, and then she stabs it in the face with a, scalpel. 257 00:18:18,833.2897078 --> 00:18:21,593.2907078 Yeah, I have to say, Max McCandles takes all this pretty well. 258 00:18:21,805.2397109 --> 00:18:26,544.5050483 I think I would, whether or not I was taken with my scientific mentor, I think I'd be out the door. 259 00:18:26,769.1659733 --> 00:18:40,981.3265591 Well the other thing that we haven't yet mentioned is, apart from Bella, in Goblin's house, there are also a load of animals that have been Stitched together from two different species, aren't they? Yeah, yeah, you won't miss that in passing, but now you mention it. 260 00:18:40,981.3265591 --> 00:18:43,291.3265591 Yes, it did stand out as being somewhat strange. 261 00:18:43,391.3265591 --> 00:18:47,819.6876965 a chicken with a dog's head a pig's head on a goose or something. 262 00:18:47,839.6876965 --> 00:18:56,909.6876965 you ever play the game where you fold a piece of paper, you draw the head, the neck onto the side, and someone must finish off the body, and they carry the body on, and somebody else must finish the legs, kind of thing. 263 00:18:57,279.6876965 --> 00:19:07,179.6866965 Yes, So I did when I was first started teaching, I did it with kids, and it was three animals, and so then you had to name it, like Hippocrocodile, or kangaroo, or the pig, kind of thing, and Wow. 264 00:19:07,344.179084 --> 00:19:08,494.179084 Developing their English. 265 00:19:08,529.179084 --> 00:19:10,594.9830481 Good for budding geneticists, yeah. 266 00:19:10,729.9840481 --> 00:19:12,769.9840481 Well, yeah, I've seen this before in my classroom. 267 00:19:12,829.9840481 --> 00:19:15,625.8455246 These terrifying things that the kids used to create. 268 00:19:15,682.6532464 --> 00:19:18,997.8365729 So yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? great CGI spend, I imagine. 269 00:19:18,997.8365729 --> 00:19:19,897.8365729 at least they've got a budget. 270 00:19:20,147.4682417 --> 00:19:27,613.767351 It is good CGI and I want to just mention, because he's using lots of different lenses, that makes doing the CGI super difficult. 271 00:19:28,395.0220975 --> 00:19:39,492.4935021 If you were using the same camera and the same lens for your entire shoot, you could just give those details to your cgi house And they would make sure that all the cgi conformed to that But now see. 272 00:19:39,712.4935021 --> 00:19:53,722.4935021 scene, it's got a different kind of lens with different focal length and stuff You've got to capture all that data give it to your cgi company so they make sure that the graphics they generate are in the same have the same geometry as the image you're capturing. 273 00:19:54,72.4935021 --> 00:19:55,612.4935021 Very clever and complicated. 274 00:19:56,39.8518817 --> 00:20:01,690.7416145 it is to be lauded the effects that they do here, which, which are gruesome, no question. 275 00:20:02,104.9211832 --> 00:20:08,314.9221832 We see her, don't we, like cycling around the hallway on a tricycle and stuff like that, and feeding the dog headed chicken. 276 00:20:08,692.6196379 --> 00:20:12,762.6196379 McCandless is saying to Godwin that she is gathering 15 words a day. 277 00:20:13,322.6196379 --> 00:20:16,334.6251535 So it's like she's rapidly developing better and better language. 278 00:20:16,582.8312206 --> 00:20:24,163.6079284 Now Max McCandles, I mean, he's harboring suspicion that maybe Gobwin is gonna prepare this woman to be his wife. 279 00:20:24,349.4128925 --> 00:20:25,699.4128925 Who's wife? Godwin's wife. 280 00:20:25,699.4128925 --> 00:20:26,729.4128925 Yeah, Goblin's wife. 281 00:20:26,759.4128925 --> 00:20:32,659.4128925 Well, so, night we do see him cuddling with Bella, don't we? But really he's doing it in a fatherly way. 282 00:20:32,669.4128925 --> 00:20:34,269.4128925 He's like reading her stories. 283 00:20:34,583.9890487 --> 00:20:35,803.9890487 And putting her to bed. 284 00:20:35,943.9890487 --> 00:20:36,963.9890487 her in and that Yeah. 285 00:20:37,191.5159658 --> 00:20:39,981.5159658 And he tells her in that, that her parents died. 286 00:20:40,37.0383673 --> 00:20:41,607.0383673 They were his friends, he says. 287 00:20:41,777.9281001 --> 00:20:43,997.9281001 Killed in a landslide in South America. 288 00:20:44,198.4642906 --> 00:20:47,57.4480656 he's taken Bella in and is looking after her. 289 00:20:47,647.4480656 --> 00:20:50,177.4480656 We know that's a lie though, don't we? As we learn later. 290 00:20:50,557.4480656 --> 00:20:51,837.4480656 But that's the story he's telling. 291 00:20:52,7.4480656 --> 00:20:56,817.4480656 spoil and just get it over with? of course, we know, we saw this woman jumping off a bridge at the beginning. 292 00:20:56,817.4480656 --> 00:21:04,297.4490656 We didn't see her face, but it's pretty clear, isn't it, from any viewing, that the woman who jumped off the bridge is Bella. 293 00:21:04,472.6323921 --> 00:21:06,752.6323921 I don't think we know the full extent of what he did. 294 00:21:07,854.4505739 --> 00:21:13,67.7839072 Well, shall we just get it out of the way? Sure, sure Paul, if you think, trigger warning, if you think everyone's ready for this. 295 00:21:13,451.1172406 --> 00:21:15,591.1172406 So as she jumped off the bridge, she was heavily pregnant. 296 00:21:15,771.1172406 --> 00:21:16,381.1172406 pregnant. 297 00:21:16,451.1172406 --> 00:21:17,561.1172406 She was with child. 298 00:21:17,571.1172406 --> 00:21:20,471.1172406 in the Thames, presumably with a fishhook in her mouth that later transpires. 299 00:21:20,654.4505739 --> 00:21:21,904.4505739 dead on arrival. 300 00:21:21,954.4505739 --> 00:21:26,824.4505739 When when she arrived at his, at his surgery, she was still fresh, dead but fresh. 301 00:21:27,74.4505739 --> 00:21:28,464.4505739 And he thought, what an opportunity. 302 00:21:28,733.7376833 --> 00:21:34,715.8177614 he took the baby's brain, Cracked open her skull and, inserted the baby's brain into the woman's body. 303 00:21:35,120.9759645 --> 00:21:36,80.9759645 this is the result. 304 00:21:36,80.9759645 --> 00:21:42,725.9759645 She is, I dunno what you call it, She's an infant, or a baby, in a woman's body. 305 00:21:43,117.7770192 --> 00:21:44,287.7770192 Infant in a woman's body. 306 00:21:44,390.1536233 --> 00:21:44,850.1536233 Yeah. 307 00:21:45,54.3115244 --> 00:21:55,184.274415 Hence the toddling, hence the sudden changes of sort of effect and, the big temper, temper tantrums and, and outbursts and, all that kind of stuff. 308 00:21:55,516.3411233 --> 00:22:09,702.0211598 Now having climbed onto the roof and had a look out at the vista of London, alternative London with airships and a strange design of Tower Bridge, which isn't the real Tower Bridge that we know, but an alternative design which had been proposed at the time, apparently. 309 00:22:10,62.0211598 --> 00:22:14,221.9211598 Mm hmm. 310 00:22:14,232.0211598 --> 00:22:15,512.0211598 Godwin's house. 311 00:22:15,958.3873473 --> 00:22:25,557.7581389 eventually, Godwin acquiesces to this demand they take her out in, in a carriage, don't they? He agrees to this whilst he's working in his lab, watching his housekeeper. 312 00:22:25,689.4248056 --> 00:22:31,372.7581389 put out a fire that seems to have started on the hair of a female cadaver on the slab. 313 00:22:31,486.0914723 --> 00:22:36,256.0914723 Which I only mention because it seems to be something of a theme in this film. 314 00:22:36,701.0914723 --> 00:22:40,506.0914723 Yes, somebody's hair sets on I don't know why, but there we go. 315 00:22:40,962.7581389 --> 00:22:44,222.7581389 Again, there's symbolism there that I don't understand, perhaps. 316 00:22:44,609.4248056 --> 00:22:57,447.7581389 So they go out in his steam powered horse's carriage, which has like a fake horse head at the front, doesn't it? Yes! Now, I wasn't really paying attention to how, which aspects of this city is supposed to be historical or not. 317 00:22:57,617.7571389 --> 00:23:00,87.7581389 Obviously, it's supposed to be a completely reimagined London. 318 00:23:00,357.7581389 --> 00:23:13,497.7581389 So, I was actually thinking, did the first horseless carriages actually have horses on the front of them? It would have been a nice little touch, wouldn't it? Did they? No, I don't think they did, Well, I don't think there really were steam powered carriages, were there? they weren't, no, no. 319 00:23:13,852.5333643 --> 00:23:14,859.200031 were traction engines. 320 00:23:14,859.200031 --> 00:23:18,449.200031 I mean, it's the kind of thing Fred Dibner used to do, isn't it? Make a traction engine work. 321 00:23:18,894.200031 --> 00:23:26,29.200031 they look like giant steamrollers, yeah, but you wouldn't really want to hop on one to travel across London. 322 00:23:27,14.200031 --> 00:23:27,714.200031 No, yeah. 323 00:23:28,329.200031 --> 00:23:31,875.8666976 they take her out to, like, a wooded park somewhere, Close to London. 324 00:23:31,875.8666976 --> 00:23:33,105.8666976 Richmond Park or something, I don't know. 325 00:23:33,135.8656977 --> 00:23:33,665.8656977 basically. 326 00:23:33,915.8666976 --> 00:23:36,582.5333643 She jumps out and dives into the leaf litter. 327 00:23:36,758.2348584 --> 00:23:37,887.8666163 plays with a frog for a bit. 328 00:23:38,51.1999496 --> 00:23:45,661.1989496 Actually, she asks Candles, McCandless, to kill the frog, doesn't she? Does he do it? I can't I didn't work that bit out. 329 00:23:45,871.1999496 --> 00:23:50,171.1989496 Well, she squashes his hands together so the frog doesn't have much choice, does Oh, I see. 330 00:23:50,191.1989496 --> 00:23:51,241.1989496 So it did get squashed. 331 00:23:51,241.2989496 --> 00:23:52,564.5332829 Okay. 332 00:23:52,564.5332829 --> 00:23:56,914.5332829 Godwin is explaining how his thumbs got cut up by his father. 333 00:23:57,1.1999496 --> 00:23:58,641.1999496 who liked experimenting on him. 334 00:23:58,831.1999496 --> 00:24:04,31.1999496 And I think we're given to understand that all of his horrific scarring and injuries are down. 335 00:24:04,31.1999496 --> 00:24:15,14.5332829 Dripfred, Dripfred, some of the mutilations that he suffers in the name of scientific progress throughout the film, um, I mean, we never see any of it, but it's quite we're told he's a eunuch. 336 00:24:15,64.5332829 --> 00:24:27,61.1999496 because when Macand says, do you want this woman for, for yourself? He said, I just couldn't, you need all the energy in London electricity in London, you know, to make, make him my jo, my my loins kind of thing. 337 00:24:27,251.1999496 --> 00:24:30,434.5332829 So he But my, for, I'm a eunuch due to my father's hand. 338 00:24:30,464.5332829 --> 00:24:33,377.8666163 His and his need for discovery, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 339 00:24:33,607.8666163 --> 00:24:39,632.8666163 describes all of this experimentation callously or Like, without much affect. 340 00:24:39,672.8666163 --> 00:24:44,472.8666163 It seems he admired or respected his father for his scientific acumen. 341 00:24:46,432.8666163 --> 00:24:49,742.8656163 he's obviously not best pleased, perhaps, that he's suffered these injuries. 342 00:24:49,742.8666163 --> 00:24:53,722.8666163 But he's not, he doesn't seem like wounded or upset about it. 343 00:24:53,847.8666163 --> 00:25:00,412.8656163 tells a story about when his father dislocated his thumbs or something and he stared at his other fingers to take Take his mind off the pain. 344 00:25:00,412.8666163 --> 00:25:01,432.8656163 Yes, exactly. 345 00:25:01,432.9656163 --> 00:25:04,622.5662975 On the way getting an ice She wants one. 346 00:25:04,622.5662975 --> 00:25:08,663.966705 And she makes a bit of a scene in the carriage. 347 00:25:08,663.966705 --> 00:25:13,930.5324457 So, Godwin She didn't go out again, is she? She's gonna be grounded for another three weeks. 348 00:25:14,185.5334457 --> 00:25:28,945.5334457 Well, Gubwin's solution, and this is a useful parental care advice thing, is he just pulls out a rag and chloroforms her, doesn't he? He does, he does! later on I think she learns, it's learned behaviour isn't it? She does something similar later on herself. 349 00:25:29,235.5334457 --> 00:25:48,133.866779 McCandless is a bit shocked by this behaviour, but carries her to bed, and as he puts her in the bed, her tit falls out of her loose gal, cementing, I think, his growing attraction for this woman, despite her he's a fundamentally He's a good guy, yeah, and we're supposed to, I think, empathize with Max, aren't we? No. 350 00:25:48,265.5334457 --> 00:26:01,557.2027165 Although obviously you think he's a beater cuck, don't you? Now, I'm putting words in his mouth, Max then goes and he looks up the case notes on Bella that he finds in right, office. 351 00:26:01,807.2027165 --> 00:26:03,347.2027165 That's when he discovers the real history. 352 00:26:03,539.3303207 --> 00:26:04,389.3303207 I see. 353 00:26:04,580.1366128 --> 00:26:12,250.1361128 you're right, this whole thing is Frankenstein like, isn't it? It's Mary Shelley like, because the way he reanimated her after the operation was with electricity. 354 00:26:12,250.1361128 --> 00:26:15,550.1366128 I think that's what he's doing with these corpses and with these animals, presumably, as well. 355 00:26:15,648.4699461 --> 00:26:23,401.8032795 Galvanism was the big idea at the time, wasn't it? what's that, the magical property of electricity or magnetism? well, I mean, essentially. 356 00:26:23,581.8032795 --> 00:26:26,901.8032795 Mary Shelley's whole thesis that electricity gives life, kind of thing. 357 00:26:27,652.7123704 --> 00:26:34,12.7118704 so it was when, people were animating frog's legs, weren't they? That It was an exciting time for science, I guess. 358 00:26:34,87.7118704 --> 00:26:35,7.7118704 And you mentioned H. 359 00:26:35,7.7118704 --> 00:26:35,187.7118704 G. 360 00:26:35,187.7118704 --> 00:26:37,387.7118704 Wells, I suppose, he was writing similar stuff. 361 00:26:37,407.7118704 --> 00:26:38,817.7118704 Who wrote The Island of Dr. 362 00:26:38,817.7118704 --> 00:26:42,47.4532975 Moreau, Yeah, so that was, the island of Dr. 363 00:26:42,47.4532975 --> 00:26:43,857.4537975 Moreau was by H. 364 00:26:43,857.4537975 --> 00:26:43,997.4532975 G. 365 00:26:43,997.4532975 --> 00:26:46,127.4537975 Wells, yeah, so my instinct was right, yeah. 366 00:26:46,396.4202688 --> 00:27:05,561.8837293 1896, so, that speaks to again this idea of science overcoming nature, doesn't it, and I think they're imagining advancing this technology to being able to have hybrid animals, aren't they? Now we get a 5 or 10 minute sequence in the movie where Bella essentially discovers her own pleasure, doesn't she? She discovers masturbation. 367 00:27:05,611.8837293 --> 00:27:13,75.140358 Yes Now I don't think this is a real Victorian way of speaking about it because it is a fantasy realism, Max says no, you should not work yourself. 368 00:27:13,110.140358 --> 00:27:13,590.140358 yourself. 369 00:27:13,590.140358 --> 00:27:15,255.142358 Yes Work yourself, yeah. 370 00:27:15,255.242358 --> 00:27:19,691.781983 She's enthusiastic Partaker. 371 00:27:21,39.2152747 --> 00:27:21,599.2152747 a four. 372 00:27:21,673.7142747 --> 00:27:24,363.7142747 Working herself and others, you Well she tries. 373 00:27:24,453.7142747 --> 00:27:24,953.7142747 Yeah. 374 00:27:24,983.7142747 --> 00:27:29,193.7142747 tries a cucumber and then the maid servant The housekeeper. 375 00:27:29,283.7142747 --> 00:27:29,593.7142747 Yeah. 376 00:27:29,965.813233 --> 00:27:33,685.813233 the maid servant says oh she's playing with my hairy My hairy business. 377 00:27:33,685.913233 --> 00:27:38,240.713233 Yes. 378 00:27:38,675.814233 --> 00:27:52,930.6465664 there we go Later on we get other phrases, which are not victorian, but rather her particular way of learning to communicate Furious jumping is another one that comes up quite a few Yeah, that's a popular phrase in the movie, isn't it? Everyone seems to like that. 379 00:27:53,15.6465664 --> 00:27:53,615.6465664 Jumping. 380 00:27:53,790.6465664 --> 00:27:58,400.6455664 there comes a point where Goblin is advising Max that he should marry Bella. 381 00:27:58,470.6465664 --> 00:28:02,810.6465664 He's also explaining why he hooks himself up to the crazy contraption at mealtimes. 382 00:28:02,840.6465664 --> 00:28:05,125.6465664 Apparently his That's right, his father, yeah. 383 00:28:05,600.6465664 --> 00:28:11,120.6465664 again has removed all of his intestines or something, or he can't make any gastric juices. 384 00:28:11,325.6465664 --> 00:28:18,360.6465664 That's right, his father did see if we needed them, and we We do, so now he has to use this apparatus to make them and digest his food. 385 00:28:18,455.6465664 --> 00:28:23,952.312233 saying what a great discovery that was on the part of my father, He is full of admiration for father having mutilated him. 386 00:28:24,247.313233 --> 00:28:32,157.313233 and he also explains that stuff you mentioned about him being a eunuch, and he says he only has paternal feelings which obey any sexual thoughts you would have for Bella. 387 00:28:32,720.6465664 --> 00:28:47,773.4869179 Max proposes to her, I think they lick each other's ears, because she's finding that fun suddenly, when Max is talking to Godwin about proposing to Bella, Godwin makes him agree that he will stay with her in the house with him. 388 00:28:48,73.0347653 --> 00:28:52,759.2095404 And at this point, a new character shows up in the, in the world, played by Mark Ruffalo. 389 00:28:53,29.4560456 --> 00:28:58,73.8747831 This is a lawyer, I suppose, or a solicitor, called Duncan, yeah. 390 00:28:59,324.2236457 --> 00:29:10,764.9591614 Wedderburn, his job is to draft the agreement, like a prenup thing, that he's going to tie Max and his new wife Bella to stay in the house with Godwin. 391 00:29:10,774.9601614 --> 00:29:11,694.9601614 I think that's the idea. 392 00:29:12,425.9424717 --> 00:29:20,444.8677358 But Duncan, the lawyer, perhaps stereotyping lawyers somewhat, is a bit of a sleazy womanizer. 393 00:29:20,474.8677358 --> 00:29:21,354.8677358 let's think of some words. 394 00:29:21,364.8677358 --> 00:29:25,34.8677358 Sleazy, raffish, loose, debauched. 395 00:29:25,878.8858932 --> 00:29:37,139.27358 Oscar Wilde, if he was straight, kind of fellow, isn't he? Yes, he's a very sexual being, isn't he? And having written this contract, he's intrigued by the arrangement. 396 00:29:37,179.27358 --> 00:29:39,539.27358 He goes away to find Bella. 397 00:29:39,689.27258 --> 00:29:44,0.7077536 He goes upstairs and finds her in the rooms in the house. 398 00:29:44,173.6018869 --> 00:29:47,413.6018869 he is immediately smitten by her appearance, I think. 399 00:29:47,815.2557794 --> 00:29:49,714.7131963 he has designs on her straight away. 400 00:29:49,714.7131963 --> 00:29:52,695.0094525 He rizzes her, as they would say, doesn't he? He does, rather. 401 00:29:52,705.0104525 --> 00:29:53,565.0104525 On the rooftop. 402 00:29:53,595.0104525 --> 00:29:54,895.0104525 She takes him off the rooftop. 403 00:29:54,985.0104525 --> 00:30:03,645.0104525 she's very receptive because, I mean, she's furiously masturbating at every opportunity she gets, although she has been told that she shouldn't do it in polite society. 404 00:30:03,829.3903321 --> 00:30:08,728.4203827 And when she reveals this to Duncan, he immediately says, yeah, polite society can go fuck itself, basically. 405 00:30:08,762.3748959 --> 00:30:12,85.0881683 And he pinches her in her, in her hairy business. 406 00:30:13,167.9823016 --> 00:30:16,57.9823016 And she's obviously quite into him, isn't she, suddenly. 407 00:30:16,258.1363764 --> 00:30:16,578.1363764 Yeah. 408 00:30:17,202.4114694 --> 00:30:22,152.4114694 I mean, there's a moment when she's thinking he's a dangerous nasty man, but she seems to decide that he's okay within about five or ten minutes. 409 00:30:22,426.0936911 --> 00:30:29,156.0936911 So she goes downstairs and says, look, Well, before she goes downstairs, he's invited her to go to Lisbon in Portugal. 410 00:30:29,241.0936911 --> 00:30:33,256.0936911 she knows where that is because Max McCandles has taught her about the She knows all about the world. 411 00:30:33,286.0936911 --> 00:30:34,236.0936911 She's looked at an atlas. 412 00:30:34,601.7526694 --> 00:30:41,214.6468028 As you say, yeah, she, she goes downstairs and and so says, look, I'm off to Lisbon and Gobwyn says, well, you're a free being. 413 00:30:41,214.6468028 --> 00:30:42,394.6468028 I guess I've got to let you go. 414 00:30:42,706.0938695 --> 00:30:51,328.2009145 you see, some naive readings of this film, you might assume that Gobwin is supposed to be the baddie and he's going to be like the evil stepfather or something and stop her from leaving. 415 00:30:51,382.0639972 --> 00:30:55,339.9633457 He's actually Very forbearing, isn't he? And he says, Yeah, okay. 416 00:30:55,459.9633457 --> 00:30:56,69.9633457 your freedom. 417 00:30:56,539.9633457 --> 00:30:57,159.9633457 Off you go. 418 00:30:57,499.6662679 --> 00:30:59,659.6652679 And she's very headstrong, let's be honest. 419 00:30:59,937.6379386 --> 00:31:02,741.217015 even Max, who is, betrothed to her. 420 00:31:02,901.4625203 --> 00:31:04,651.4625203 He doesn't stand in her way, ultimately. 421 00:31:04,651.4625203 --> 00:31:05,901.4625203 He sees that she's gonna go. 422 00:31:06,81.4625203 --> 00:31:10,441.4620203 Oh, well, actually, I think she chloroforms him, doesn't she? She does. 423 00:31:10,441.4620203 --> 00:31:10,811.4615203 Yeah. 424 00:31:11,641.4625203 --> 00:31:12,281.4625203 She does clarify. 425 00:31:12,281.4625203 --> 00:31:12,661.4625203 Yeah. 426 00:31:12,718.2197364 --> 00:31:14,838.2187364 I think there's some sort of negotiation. 427 00:31:14,868.2187364 --> 00:31:18,88.2197364 She says to Max before she goes, look, I'm not gonna have sex with him. 428 00:31:18,398.2197364 --> 00:31:25,285.4924636 We're just going to do a bit of stimulation kind of Yeah, I don't think she, I don't think she promises he won't have sex. 429 00:31:25,415.4924636 --> 00:31:29,867.1064982 She says that she's gonna go and have an adventure, but she promises to come back to him. 430 00:31:30,39.8336637 --> 00:31:30,779.8336637 Oh, right. 431 00:31:31,89.9113795 --> 00:31:36,648.4256333 in fact, Max gets angry and jealous about Duncan, and threatens to go beat him up. 432 00:31:37,78.4246333 --> 00:31:46,278.4246333 And this new side of Max, which we've not seen before either, excites Bella, and she kisses him, but then realises she's going to have to chloroform him to get away. 433 00:31:46,398.4246333 --> 00:31:46,928.4256333 So she does. 434 00:31:47,358.322488 --> 00:31:50,258.322488 I think Godwin sews some papers into a jacket. 435 00:31:50,258.322488 --> 00:31:52,638.322488 I think that's money, isn't it? Yeah, there's money here. 436 00:31:52,874.9891547 --> 00:31:54,4.9891547 Got old fashioned bills. 437 00:31:54,204.9891547 --> 00:31:57,261.6548213 Pound nuts used to be a lot bigger, didn't they? they did, didn't they? Yeah. 438 00:31:57,721.6558213 --> 00:31:58,521.6558213 Gigantic. 439 00:31:58,701.6558213 --> 00:32:03,451.6558213 the size of a swimming certificate, I would, I would suggest. 440 00:32:04,314.8376395 --> 00:32:13,634.8376395 Max eventually comes to, Godwin is drinking port to drown his sorrows, and then we switch to Lisbon, to Portugal, and suddenly the film is in colour. 441 00:32:13,986.5043062 --> 00:32:25,54.8376395 Yeah, and it's a Lisbonian, bright, colourful world, isn't it? And again, amazing set design, because it's obviously not real Lisbon, it's fantasy magical realism Lisbon. 442 00:32:25,241.5043062 --> 00:32:33,50.1711967 Why, Paul, though, are we now in colour? What does that mean? Haha, egg pies? We get an interesting story. 443 00:32:33,50.1711967 --> 00:32:34,690.1711967 It's very much an aside in the movie. 444 00:32:35,537.4440349 --> 00:32:38,694.1107016 lawyer fella, Duncan says you should know why it's egg custard. 445 00:32:38,874.1107016 --> 00:32:41,494.1107016 Why it's the egg yolk they use here. 446 00:32:41,494.1107016 --> 00:32:47,794.1097016 Because the egg whites are used for starching starching the monk's and habits, yeah. 447 00:32:48,334.1107016 --> 00:32:50,334.1107016 Don't know if that's true or not, but it's fascinating anyway. 448 00:32:50,874.1107016 --> 00:32:56,485.9288834 sorry Richard, you were saying why is it suddenly becoming colour? I don't know, why? Why is it in colour? okay, so speculating here. 449 00:32:56,639.2622167 --> 00:33:04,422.5955501 Is it simply that, in black and white, Bella is a prisoner in Goblin's house? All of the scenes in black and white are when she's trapped. 450 00:33:04,692.5945501 --> 00:33:05,902.5955501 A gilded cage. 451 00:33:06,243.9287613 --> 00:33:08,824.5942652 As soon as she is out, she has her freedom. 452 00:33:09,35.5158984 --> 00:33:09,919.8286189 in colour. 453 00:33:09,973.2619522 --> 00:33:10,783.2609522 Presumably, yeah. 454 00:33:10,946.5952856 --> 00:33:28,659.9286189 You could also interpret it that the moment she fucks, the movie is in colour, because there's certainly quite a lot of that going on here, isn't there? Nice thing about Yorgos Lanthimos, he didn't get the Hollywood memo that films don't or shouldn't have sex in them anymore, and so he does plenty of that. 455 00:33:29,3.2619522 --> 00:33:36,84.9286189 Okay, the other thing is, we are going to now be with Duncan, played by Mark Ruffalo, quite a lot, I like Mark Ruffalo. 456 00:33:36,194.9286189 --> 00:33:37,44.9286189 He's a good actor. 457 00:33:37,464.9286189 --> 00:33:42,764.9286189 He is agreeable, charismatic, and he has said of this film that he absolutely loved doing it. 458 00:33:43,344.9286189 --> 00:33:52,521.5932856 He loved doing it, but he was nervous about doing it because he was feeling like he was becoming too old to do, these romantic or action y parts. 459 00:33:52,531.5942856 --> 00:33:52,931.5942856 I don't know. 460 00:33:53,164.9276189 --> 00:33:56,844.9276189 he felt he was taking a risk doing it and he really enjoyed the experience of doing it. 461 00:33:57,354.9276189 --> 00:34:02,206.5942856 But I do want to mention Mark Ruffalo is doing an accent again. 462 00:34:02,486.5942856 --> 00:34:04,196.5942856 An American actor right. 463 00:34:04,356.5942856 --> 00:34:05,366.5942856 doing a British accent. 464 00:34:05,733.2609522 --> 00:34:08,143.2609522 You say that like you don't know who Mark Ruffalo is, Paul. 465 00:34:08,237.2607895 --> 00:34:09,37.2607895 I don't know. 466 00:34:09,97.2607895 --> 00:34:10,867.2607895 He's the Hulk in the Avengers. 467 00:34:10,993.9274561 --> 00:34:12,233.9274561 Oh, wow. 468 00:34:12,277.2607895 --> 00:34:12,657.2607895 Yeah. 469 00:34:12,813.9274561 --> 00:34:15,303.9264561 He doesn't have a moustache, obviously, when he's the Hulk. 470 00:34:15,537.2597895 --> 00:34:17,433.9264561 what do you think of his accent? Hmm. 471 00:34:18,400.5931228 --> 00:34:19,870.5931228 I thought it was possible actually. 472 00:34:19,880.5921228 --> 00:34:20,830.5931228 He didn't like it. 473 00:34:20,900.5921228 --> 00:34:22,490.5931228 It's, it is passable. 474 00:34:22,530.5931228 --> 00:34:23,460.5931228 It's not terrible. 475 00:34:23,967.2597895 --> 00:34:26,237.2597895 I saw him in another thing recently. 476 00:34:26,267.2597895 --> 00:34:32,47.2597895 I can't remember if it was on Netflix or Amazon, called All the Light You Cannot See, All the Light We Cannot See. 477 00:34:32,243.9264561 --> 00:34:40,87.2597895 It's a World War II drama about a blind Jewish girl, I think, who is hiding in a French coastal town. 478 00:34:40,377.2587895 --> 00:34:42,877.2597895 And she's operating a radio illegally. 479 00:34:43,103.9264561 --> 00:34:50,398.9264561 she's sending out, She's doing a radio program but hidden in it is like messages to the Allies about the state of German troops and stuff. 480 00:34:50,558.9264561 --> 00:34:54,843.9264561 it was an adaptation of a novel I think, it's quite a moving worth checking out. 481 00:34:55,230.5931228 --> 00:34:58,430.5931228 Mark Ruffalo plays the dad of the girl in that. 482 00:34:58,820.5931228 --> 00:35:00,520.5931228 again, he's doing an accent. 483 00:35:00,903.9264561 --> 00:35:07,723.9264561 let me just say, it isn't clear whether he's trying to do a British accent, or a French accent. 484 00:35:08,33.9254561 --> 00:35:10,493.9254561 I mean, it is set in France, but I mean, it's not. 485 00:35:10,649.0264561 --> 00:35:14,862.5628198 Uh, and so his accent comes across as, well, awkward. 486 00:35:15,12.5628198 --> 00:35:16,872.5628198 And it has been slammed by critics. 487 00:35:17,392.5628198 --> 00:35:21,62.5628198 Some people say it takes them out of the thing completely, but I think that's unfair. 488 00:35:21,918.9264561 --> 00:35:25,258.9254561 I think Mark Ruffalo is not necessarily the best at doing accents. 489 00:35:25,258.9254561 --> 00:35:28,358.9264561 I think he'd be better just doing it in his own voice, to be honest. 490 00:35:28,808.9264561 --> 00:35:29,848.9264561 Because I think he's a good actor. 491 00:35:30,408.9264561 --> 00:35:30,838.9264561 but there we go. 492 00:35:30,928.9264561 --> 00:35:33,885.5931228 it's not as bad as the series that I'm mentioning. 493 00:35:34,375.5931228 --> 00:35:37,375.5931228 worth noting that it does slightly suffer from the same problem. 494 00:35:37,515.5931228 --> 00:35:40,605.5931228 It's clearly something he's not totally comfortable with, I would say. 495 00:35:41,65.5931228 --> 00:35:42,635.5931228 I don't know whether you'd agree with that observation. 496 00:35:43,333.9263544 --> 00:35:44,223.9263544 passed me by. 497 00:35:44,453.9263544 --> 00:35:49,638.9263544 The one that struck me was Willem Dafoe and his intermittent on again off against Scottish. 498 00:35:49,638.9263544 --> 00:35:50,158.9253544 Yeah, yeah. 499 00:35:50,178.9263544 --> 00:35:50,898.9263544 That is true. 500 00:35:50,998.9263544 --> 00:35:51,468.9263544 That's fair. 501 00:35:51,718.9263544 --> 00:35:56,588.9263544 I actually think Willem Dafoe's accent is on the whole better than Mark Ruffalo's. 502 00:35:57,20.930353 --> 00:35:58,610.931353 Yeah, so anyway, they're in Lisbon. 503 00:35:59,170.931353 --> 00:36:00,600.930853 They eat those custard tart things. 504 00:36:00,600.930853 --> 00:36:04,85.931353 What are they called, those Portuguese custard tarts? don't know. 505 00:36:04,115.931353 --> 00:36:06,32.2258652 Egg custard? Egg custard. 506 00:36:06,436.347312 --> 00:36:14,450.447312 Pastel de Nata? Is that right? Past Pasté de nata? Something like that. 507 00:36:14,450.447312 --> 00:36:15,385.847312 Pasté de nata. 508 00:36:15,393.3513107 --> 00:36:18,433.3513107 they, they eat some of those, don't they? They eat oysters and champagne. 509 00:36:18,663.3513107 --> 00:36:19,233.3503107 Sorry, sorry. 510 00:36:19,373.3503107 --> 00:36:20,313.3513107 Just to say one thing. 511 00:36:20,633.3513107 --> 00:36:23,93.3513107 There's a new movie out by Nicolas Cage called The Surfer. 512 00:36:23,663.3503107 --> 00:36:24,163.3503107 Right. 513 00:36:24,583.3513107 --> 00:36:27,703.3513107 he plays an American living in Australia. 514 00:36:27,923.3503107 --> 00:36:28,723.3503107 Oh my god. 515 00:36:28,723.4503107 --> 00:36:33,253.3513107 Hahahahaha normally. 516 00:36:33,633.3513107 --> 00:36:35,43.3513107 So he doesn't have to put an accent on. 517 00:36:35,43.4513107 --> 00:36:36,673.3508107 Anyway. 518 00:36:36,673.3508107 --> 00:36:39,133.3503107 So on. 519 00:36:39,133.3503107 --> 00:36:41,363.3513107 Have being Nicolas Cage. 520 00:36:41,613.3503107 --> 00:36:53,533.2513107 this movie, Paul? No, it's fresh out of can, so I guess we'll be seeing it released next month Is it something we need to put on the list? It's been very, very well Really? What, a Nicolas Cage movie? Okay. 521 00:36:53,713.3513107 --> 00:36:54,133.3513107 Okay. 522 00:36:54,913.3513107 --> 00:37:00,793.3513107 So, Bella is obviously quite taken with the whole having sex in a hotel when you're away kind of thing. 523 00:37:01,59.353879 --> 00:37:06,392.3148036 She says, why do people not do this all the time? She's referring to what she calls furious jumping, as you say. 524 00:37:06,976.1232792 --> 00:37:11,686.1232792 Duncan can't keep up with her insatiable desire, as men can't. 525 00:37:12,276.1232792 --> 00:37:13,486.1222792 Inadequate as they are. 526 00:37:13,656.5268749 --> 00:37:15,246.5268749 having thro her three times. 527 00:37:15,246.5268749 --> 00:37:16,416.5268749 She would like to go again. 528 00:37:16,416.5268749 --> 00:37:16,686.5268749 Yeah. 529 00:37:16,716.5268749 --> 00:37:18,416.5268749 he can't, no, he's gotta rest. 530 00:37:18,856.5258749 --> 00:37:27,473.0284159 So she leaves the hotel, on her own, as he sleeps, like a man would, and we get to see this amazing set, which was brilliant. 531 00:37:27,773.1284159 --> 00:37:33,237.868638 This whole thing was built in a set in Budapest, I think is where this all was filmed. 532 00:37:33,408.5951103 --> 00:37:36,248.5951103 But it's got cable cars running through the streets. 533 00:37:36,488.5951103 --> 00:37:40,878.5941103 Apparently it took 45 minutes to walk through this set that they built for this. 534 00:37:41,157.3558054 --> 00:37:46,617.5989628 And it's all kind of hyper real, isn't it? The colours are really vibrant and pastel y and sunny. 535 00:37:47,674.2657764 --> 00:37:48,544.2657764 by Miro. 536 00:37:48,679.2657764 --> 00:38:07,582.5156389 Yeah, so she explores the sights and sounds of Lisbon She's enraptured by a woman playing a guitar and singing on a balcony and she wanders through the alleyways and doorways Peeking in at some point she goes to like an overlook overlooking the sea She vomits, She throws up. 537 00:38:07,592.5156389 --> 00:38:09,132.5156389 Maybe it's the oysters that she's had. 538 00:38:09,302.5156389 --> 00:38:13,142.5156389 Or she's had more than one 'cause it's, custard tart. 539 00:38:14,721.6002106 --> 00:38:19,748.9905626 he's furious when she comes back eventually they go out for dinner with another couple. 540 00:38:20,403.9905626 --> 00:38:27,903.3420733 and then she kind of doesn't know how to make polite conversation, she's speaking quite frankly about sucking cock, isn't she? Oh, sometimes they're salty. 541 00:38:28,138.3420733 --> 00:38:30,528.3420733 And Duncan is embarrassed by her. 542 00:38:30,642.0920733 --> 00:38:33,462.0920733 tells her that she's allowed to use three phrases in polite company. 543 00:38:33,882.0910733 --> 00:38:34,712.0910733 How marvellous. 544 00:38:35,252.0920733 --> 00:38:35,932.0920733 Delighted. 545 00:38:36,592.0920733 --> 00:38:48,832.0920733 And how do they make the pastry so crisp? And when she goes back, no matter what the others say, like, oh my mother's just died, she says, how marvellous. 546 00:38:51,623.9092551 --> 00:38:53,603.9102551 he pulls her to one side, doesn't he, angry with her. 547 00:38:53,833.9102551 --> 00:38:57,522.5723645 She slaps him, they kiss, have makeup sex, they have make up studies. 548 00:38:58,272.5723645 --> 00:39:04,271.4590832 Occasionally we pop back and see Godwin, now in colour, since the whole film is in colour, with Max. 549 00:39:04,461.4590832 --> 00:39:05,461.4590832 in the morning, yeah. 550 00:39:05,532.6504895 --> 00:39:10,247.7373801 They're occasionally getting postcards from Bella, aren't they? Godwin's belching bubbles as they eat. 551 00:39:10,608.5088645 --> 00:39:13,428.5098645 they're basically following a little bit of her adventures. 552 00:39:13,774.1924582 --> 00:39:17,397.2158439 I mean, she perhaps is not writing like an adult yet. 553 00:39:17,817.4697502 --> 00:39:20,677.4697502 I think she sends a postcard where she draws herself. 554 00:39:20,881.7773908 --> 00:39:23,281.7773908 Doing fellatio on a cable car or something like that. 555 00:39:23,981.7773908 --> 00:39:34,759.8377305 By the way, this whole scene, that we've seen with sex with Duncan, we're led to believe that there's an infant brain in the body of a woman, Yes. 556 00:39:35,694.8377305 --> 00:39:40,735.6092148 concerns about consent, which some people have raised for this film. 557 00:39:41,263.626793 --> 00:39:43,744.8797341 And I wondered what you think about that, Paul. 558 00:39:43,744.8797341 --> 00:39:46,508.3385577 It's disquieting, it's a disquieting idea. 559 00:39:46,508.3385577 --> 00:39:49,271.7973812 He doesn't know, but we know. 560 00:39:49,271.7973812 --> 00:39:53,708.626793 Well, she's in He doesn't know. 561 00:39:54,658.625793 --> 00:39:56,948.625793 She does appear to be an adult female. 562 00:39:57,828.625793 --> 00:39:59,888.626793 Presumably the hormones have kicked in. 563 00:40:01,108.626793 --> 00:40:03,918.626793 Or have a grown woman's body, So, Yeah. 564 00:40:05,298.625793 --> 00:40:21,659.4764023 I mean, hormones do dictate certain level of maturity, don't they? Well, I mean, I think you're making a mistake of analysing this scientifically, because I think Emma Stone and either Yorgos or one of the other cast were talking about this, interviewed about it. 565 00:40:21,669.4764023 --> 00:40:27,599.3787461 I And I think they said that it's silly to treat it literally, obviously it doesn't make any sense, scientifically. 566 00:40:27,943.0310898 --> 00:40:32,249.8074336 I think they're inviting us to think about this symbolically, allegorically. 567 00:40:32,668.0603867 --> 00:40:36,698.0603867 And the question obviously arises, which is not, I don't think, very well answered anywhere. 568 00:40:36,908.0603867 --> 00:40:42,288.0603867 What is the symbolism? What does this mean? I mean, I know we often ask this about the more abstruse films. 569 00:40:42,708.0603867 --> 00:40:53,28.5661992 But, I mean, the only thing I am imagining is that it's about, finding yourself again, or sort of rebirth of somebody, or some kind of freedom someone acquires. 570 00:40:53,711.7703242 --> 00:41:07,381.5750117 As a woman, or as a person, that we're not talking about literally an infant in a woman's body, but we are some we're talking about someone who's going through a reconfiguration process that's akin to Being young and growing old again. 571 00:41:07,381.5750117 --> 00:41:07,611.5750117 I don't know. 572 00:41:07,651.5750117 --> 00:41:08,181.5750117 I don't know. 573 00:41:08,381.4187617 --> 00:41:11,551.4177617 if it, well, if it's working on that level, then, well done. 574 00:41:11,551.4187617 --> 00:41:18,557.4665331 But it seems to be about people, in a bed and somebody's screwing the eyeballs out of somebody else, you know? I mean, don't know, really. 575 00:41:18,557.5665331 --> 00:41:22,752.0099877 I difficult don't know. 576 00:41:23,67.0099877 --> 00:41:47,890.4777846 Now there's a scene he gets annoyed, doesn't he? Because she's making this scene in the restaurant and then she starts dancing the flamenco in a very, very expressive way, doesn't she? I mean, what we're seeing as Duncan and Bella, have this holiday is he's obviously smitten with a, with a beauty, but he's also like into her completely like, sort of limitless and uninhibited mentality. 577 00:41:47,890.4777846 --> 00:41:55,533.8088627 she doesn't, doesn't have the normal inhibitions and social Particularly the woman of that era, right, that's being described. 578 00:41:55,543.8088627 --> 00:42:01,350.357898 So, he's captivated by her personality and her frankness as well, I think. 579 00:42:02,70.357898 --> 00:42:07,797.5551636 So he's into her, but also, she's a handful, right? She's difficult for him to deal with. 580 00:42:07,822.5551636 --> 00:42:10,922.5541636 important about Duncan is that he's used to having the upper hand in a relationship. 581 00:42:10,922.5541636 --> 00:42:14,677.5551636 He's used to being the Ealing studio cad, you Yes, of course, yeah. 582 00:42:15,44.2924449 --> 00:42:18,84.2924449 conning women, taking their hearts, and then discarding them. 583 00:42:18,124.2924449 --> 00:42:27,194.2934449 And so it puts him on a strange footing to be in a situation where He's the one pursuing and trying to hold onto and grab something that doesn't want to be held onto. 584 00:42:27,259.2934449 --> 00:42:37,861.6274292 Yes, the power dynamic is reversed, and it's interesting that it is, because Bella's power comes from her sort of complete unfamiliarity with the normal, like, structures of society. 585 00:42:37,871.6274292 --> 00:42:43,875.5816196 She doesn't realize, I think, that she's supposed to be, in a position of inferiority, if you like. 586 00:42:43,905.5816196 --> 00:42:46,557.9644321 So she isn't, and she has the power over him. 587 00:42:46,896.6753696 --> 00:42:52,902.7192915 At the same time, though, she's also quite into him, because he's good at sex or she enjoys the sex with him. 588 00:42:53,152.7192915 --> 00:42:56,832.7192915 She doesn't yet know because she hasn't had sex with anyone else how good he is. 589 00:42:57,259.2231977 --> 00:42:58,909.2221977 She finds out later as we'll see. 590 00:43:00,499.2231977 --> 00:43:02,689.2231977 But he does seem actually to be genuinely quite good at it. 591 00:43:03,289.2231977 --> 00:43:13,69.2231977 There's a moment when they're in the bar in the hotel and a woman comes up, says that she recognizes Bella and calls her Victoria or something or other. 592 00:43:14,759.2231977 --> 00:43:15,759.2231977 Blessington, yeah. 593 00:43:16,394.2231977 --> 00:43:23,254.2231977 And obviously, I guess that means she's recognising the woman we saw on the bridge she threw herself in and killed herself. 594 00:43:23,319.2231977 --> 00:43:27,669.1231977 relevant later, mustn't it? It's a foreshadowing, isn't it? A foreshadowing moment. 595 00:43:28,49.2221977 --> 00:43:45,719.2231977 has a strategy to deal with Bella, and that is to sort of semi kidnap her and take her onto a cruise ship, which is again another contained environment for her, isn't it? he's described her as a He says at one point she's become the very thing he hates, which is a grasping succubus of a lover. 596 00:43:46,201.5561821 --> 00:43:50,851.5571821 he gets her onto the cruise ship by opening, like, a trunk, a travel trunk. 597 00:43:51,761.5561821 --> 00:43:55,957.836479 He tells her to get into it, which on an adventure, she does because it seems fun. 598 00:43:57,530.1216352 --> 00:44:11,675.1216352 when he opens it again, where are they, Paul? They're in a sumptuous cabin on a delightfully, kind of, steampunk cruiser, Ah, ah, now, Paul, it's completely understandable, because I know you're not a cruiser, as it were. 599 00:44:11,805.1216352 --> 00:44:12,435.1216352 I'm not, no. 600 00:44:12,515.1206352 --> 00:44:14,869.4769095 You're not, oh, you're not, I don't know about that. 601 00:44:15,544.8842812 --> 00:44:17,604.8842812 been on, I've been on a few river cruises. 602 00:44:17,684.8842812 --> 00:44:25,164.8842812 Oh, but as a cruiser myself, Paul, obviously, I've come to know the language, the argo of cruising. 603 00:44:25,564.3252731 --> 00:44:28,924.3252731 I can correct you here, I can put you straight, and I know you're keen to learn. 604 00:44:29,475.7412887 --> 00:44:30,735.7412887 The word is stateroom. 605 00:44:31,315.7412887 --> 00:44:33,655.7412887 That's what you call, what you call a cabin. 606 00:44:33,942.0205856 --> 00:44:34,742.0205856 It's stateroom. 607 00:44:34,852.0205856 --> 00:44:36,222.0205856 what's the cabin I don't know. 608 00:44:36,222.1205856 --> 00:44:39,142.0205856 I think a cabin is where the crew sleep or something. 609 00:44:40,362.0205856 --> 00:44:42,492.0205856 But Is the passengers sleep in staterooms. 610 00:44:43,462.0205856 --> 00:44:50,692.0205856 It's state when you get on a cruise, Paul, if you ever get on a cruise, if they allow you, then you'll be put into a stateroom. 611 00:44:51,862.0205856 --> 00:44:53,152.0205856 That's how, that's how it works. 612 00:44:54,2.0205856 --> 00:44:54,712.0195856 I There you go. 613 00:44:54,762.0205856 --> 00:44:56,892.0195856 So, just so you don't embarrass yourself. 614 00:44:59,822.0205856 --> 00:45:02,172.0195856 I'm fairly sure some of them call it cabins, Richard. 615 00:45:02,392.0195856 --> 00:45:06,604.8565749 Yeah, well, all the, all the other landlubbers, Paul, you'll be in, okay. 616 00:45:06,894.8565749 --> 00:45:08,274.8565749 you'll mark yourself out. 617 00:45:08,434.8565749 --> 00:45:10,944.8565749 I've got to know my part from, port from my starboard. 618 00:45:10,954.8565749 --> 00:45:11,974.8565749 Is that right, yeah? That's right. 619 00:45:11,994.8565749 --> 00:45:14,264.8565749 Well, you could run to the wrong side of the ship for your lifeboat. 620 00:45:14,809.8956374 --> 00:45:18,409.7956374 Yeah, But you know, you're right, it is an amazing steampunk. 621 00:45:18,889.8956374 --> 00:45:19,999.8956374 Art Deco as well. 622 00:45:20,49.8956374 --> 00:45:21,909.8956374 Kind of curvy, curvy linear. 623 00:45:22,736.6329186 --> 00:45:23,966.6339186 Their stateroom is amazing. 624 00:45:24,11.8965905 --> 00:45:28,751.8975905 It has an amazing, like, bathroom with, sort of, glass doors with curtains that they pull across. 625 00:45:28,751.9975905 --> 00:45:30,581.8975905 It's really, it's cool. 626 00:45:31,184.5050124 --> 00:45:33,979.5050124 Does it make you want to go on a cruise? not really. 627 00:45:33,979.5050124 --> 00:45:34,339.5050124 No. 628 00:45:34,339.5050124 --> 00:45:39,99.5050124 I mean, I, I do like nice hotel rooms, but I, I, I would just prefer it to be Stationary. 629 00:45:39,509.5050124 --> 00:45:39,889.5050124 Okay. 630 00:45:40,292.483528 --> 00:45:43,692.482528 Well, I'll have to put you in a traveling trunk, won't I? And not tell you. 631 00:45:44,172.483528 --> 00:45:46,922.483528 Where are you going? Open it up. 632 00:45:47,242.483528 --> 00:45:48,982.483528 Like that strange spy. 633 00:45:49,322.483528 --> 00:45:53,643.2088833 That MI5 worker who zipped himself in a Holdall in his bag. 634 00:45:53,813.2098833 --> 00:46:00,843.2098833 In his Richard, you, you're In his I dismembered me, dismembered it in a suitcase. 635 00:46:01,3.2098833 --> 00:46:02,233.2098833 you were dismembered, Paul. 636 00:46:02,603.2098833 --> 00:46:03,403.2098833 You're fully membered. 637 00:46:03,603.2098833 --> 00:46:05,203.2098833 No, he was intact. 638 00:46:06,252.1454302 --> 00:46:10,436.9598833 Well, they concluded that it was a solo sex game gone wrong. 639 00:46:10,466.9598833 --> 00:46:12,856.9598833 A misadventure, didn't they? Mmm. 640 00:46:13,34.959863 --> 00:46:16,554.959863 Some people are sceptical of that, there's a sort of conspiracy theory. 641 00:46:16,914.959863 --> 00:46:27,394.959863 But apparently, if you look into more detail, apparently he'd had, like, his, one of his neighbours or his landlord had to come round several times to release him from self bondage in the past. 642 00:46:27,874.959863 --> 00:46:31,204.959863 So, I think he had, like, previous on this kind of stuff. 643 00:46:31,636.2932777 --> 00:46:34,66.2932777 The body in the bag case, interesting, yeah. 644 00:46:34,289.626611 --> 00:46:36,639.626611 while she's on the cruise? she meets two. 645 00:46:36,781.2932777 --> 00:46:38,621.2932777 I guess you might say friends. 646 00:46:38,767.9599443 --> 00:46:41,897.9599443 One is a European woman with amazing hair. 647 00:46:41,927.9599443 --> 00:46:42,857.9599443 And that's how she meets her. 648 00:46:42,857.9599443 --> 00:46:44,587.9599443 She says, I just have to come and touch your hair. 649 00:46:44,787.9599444 --> 00:46:46,284.626611 An elderly woman, Yep. 650 00:46:46,481.2932777 --> 00:46:47,441.2922777 And her companion. 651 00:46:47,521.2922777 --> 00:46:50,151.2932777 Who is a younger black American man. 652 00:46:50,531.2922777 --> 00:46:54,441.2932777 and immediately Bella says, Are you two screwing too? And they say, No, no. 653 00:46:54,441.2932777 --> 00:46:56,191.2932777 She, the old woman says, I'm too old to do that. 654 00:46:56,191.2932777 --> 00:46:57,161.2932777 I haven't done it for many years. 655 00:46:57,611.2932777 --> 00:47:00,571.2922777 And then of course Bella asks about whether she pleasures herself. 656 00:47:00,571.2922777 --> 00:47:00,811.1932777 I don't know. 657 00:47:01,91.2932777 --> 00:47:04,791.2932777 Works herself, and the lady says, I did do a couple months ago, yeah. 658 00:47:04,851.2932777 --> 00:47:09,951.2932777 So, these are open minded people because they don't object to the way that Bella thinks and speaks. 659 00:47:10,207.9589444 --> 00:47:13,347.9599444 They can only be that profession that we admire. 660 00:47:13,417.9599444 --> 00:47:18,404.626611 Philosophers, Richard, is that right? Philosophers? Is that what you read them as? Presumably. 661 00:47:18,586.2932777 --> 00:47:19,666.2932777 Certainly. 662 00:47:19,711.2932777 --> 00:47:21,581.2922777 very, or a strong philosophical bent. 663 00:47:21,906.2932777 --> 00:47:23,646.2922777 Yeah, they're certainly thoughtful. 664 00:47:24,496.2932777 --> 00:47:26,906.2922777 They're progressive, thoughtful people, I would agree with that. 665 00:47:27,346.2932777 --> 00:47:30,721.2922777 whilst they're on the cruise, Duncan actually proposes to Bella, doesn't he? Uh huh. 666 00:47:30,826.2942777 --> 00:47:35,22.9599444 But she's not willing to forego her previous betrothal to Max. 667 00:47:35,22.9599444 --> 00:47:36,942.9599444 Which is obviously going to drive Duncan crazy. 668 00:47:37,86.2932777 --> 00:47:53,459.625611 he, again, he's brought her on this cruise to control her, but now he finds her mind running away from him under the tutelage of these two, these two new friends, who have given her books to read and she's learning how to read and to write more, more, more, more effective, isn't she? And she's embracing new thoughts. 669 00:47:53,469.624611 --> 00:48:12,192.9589444 In particular, the young man takes her off the to look at how the poor live and she's taken aback by it and doesn't really know how to process it all, does That's right, they're in a hotel aren't they? He takes her to a balcony and shows her the slums below where baby isn't dying and the heat is unbearable and she's absolutely shocked. 670 00:48:12,236.2922777 --> 00:48:14,666.2912777 Initially she says we should help them and he says you can't. 671 00:48:14,976.2912777 --> 00:48:18,832.9589444 She tries to run off, throw herself from some stairs into the sea, but he stops her. 672 00:48:19,496.2922777 --> 00:48:42,966.9589851 On her return to the ship she's so distraught by what she's seen that she wants to give money to the poor and she grabs the chest full of money that was in their room she tries to get off the ship to distribute it but deckhands stop her and say we're about to to leave port when she explains what she wants to do they go oh well we can give it to the poor for you just hand it over to us to signify. 673 00:48:43,416.9589851 --> 00:48:50,106.9589851 Is this the nature of left wing politics, never really fully realising? Or being middlemen for things that they're never going to fix? I don't know. 674 00:48:50,326.9589851 --> 00:48:52,836.9589851 Or was it just two people taking her money? Poor thing. 675 00:48:53,86.9579851 --> 00:48:54,916.9589851 Anyway, she gives away all his winnings. 676 00:48:55,176.9579851 --> 00:49:01,536.9589851 He wouldn't wear it in the casino whilst he was being drunk and angry with her, Yeah, he's taken up gambling on the ship, hasn't That's right, yeah. 677 00:49:01,551.9589851 --> 00:49:04,498.6256517 And he's won some money, and presumably was okay. 678 00:49:04,728.6256517 --> 00:49:07,915.2923184 Presumably had been paying for the cruise so far, anyway. 679 00:49:08,75.2913184 --> 00:49:10,825.2923184 But now he has no money, and they can't pay. 680 00:49:11,185.2923184 --> 00:49:20,173.6256517 And so the captain arrives and says he's going to put them off the ship at the next port, which is Marseilles, So unwittingly her two new friends really do let her experience life on the other side now. 681 00:49:21,415.4438335 --> 00:49:25,145.4438335 They wind up in Paris, in the snow, not in the spring, sadly. 682 00:49:25,325.4438335 --> 00:49:26,795.4438335 It's snowy and wintry. 683 00:49:27,205.4438335 --> 00:49:30,745.4438335 And they're wondering about what the hell they're going to do and how they're going to make money. 684 00:49:31,55.4428335 --> 00:49:43,411.4766557 Duncan is basically a broken man at this point, isn't he? But Bella how he acted, his, failure first to accept the situation and then, the results of the situation and how it affected him. 685 00:49:44,131.4771557 --> 00:49:44,881.4776557 thought it was quite well done. 686 00:49:45,11.4776557 --> 00:49:46,681.4776557 It was great acting from Mark Ruffalo. 687 00:49:47,221.4776557 --> 00:50:00,476.4776557 again, Duncan, although he's a beaten man, he's still completely smitten with Bella, isn't he? Mm Bella, meanwhile, hops off across the square and finds a woman standing outside a building who's a madam of a brothel. 688 00:50:00,655.4766964 --> 00:50:00,805.4766964 hmm. 689 00:50:01,23.8100297 --> 00:50:07,263.8100297 she discusses with her what's going on and realises to her delight that you can get paid to have sex. 690 00:50:07,738.8100297 --> 00:50:08,158.8100297 Yeah. 691 00:50:08,745.4776964 --> 00:50:16,5.3776964 Get paid 30, give 10 to me, we're both happy, kind of thing, is how the madam propositions their business deal. 692 00:50:16,10.4776964 --> 00:50:17,970.4776964 gets a job in a filthy room. 693 00:50:18,480.4776964 --> 00:50:21,543.8100297 A pipe smoking man comes in with her, gets naked. 694 00:50:21,668.8110297 --> 00:50:48,240.246241 we get a whole, we get a whole sequence of different men and different levels of sexual prowess and, and, and, and, and sexual normality, don't The bed has stirrups on it, Does Did you not notice that? yeah, so, She starts earning money, Which is good news for them both, you'd think, But when she explains to Duncan about, Well, she explains actually how bad The guys she was sleeping with are, Compared to him, say, Duncan is obviously outraged That she's now fucking for money. 695 00:50:48,972.2452613 --> 00:50:49,412.2452613 At that, really. 696 00:50:49,412.2452613 --> 00:50:51,927.2442613 They kind of split up, don't they? They do. 697 00:50:52,135.5785946 --> 00:50:54,963.910928 So she takes a job in the brothel Yes, full time. 698 00:50:55,128.911928 --> 00:50:58,468.911928 She gets friendly with another of the prostitutes working in the brothel. 699 00:50:58,523.911928 --> 00:51:04,543.911928 Madame Swiney is a strange old lady, isn't she? Who to bite the earlobes of the girls that work for her. 700 00:51:04,778.911928 --> 00:51:05,568.910928 Errant girls. 701 00:51:05,568.911928 --> 00:51:07,865.5785946 Yes, girls who aren't pulling their weight Oh. 702 00:51:07,935.5785946 --> 00:51:16,685.5775946 because at some point she'd suggested to the madam that when the men come in, it should be the girls that get to pick, not the men who pick the girls. 703 00:51:16,882.2452613 --> 00:51:19,867.2452613 I She was striking a blow for, equality and stuff. 704 00:51:19,947.2452613 --> 00:51:25,697.2442613 Of course, the madam really won't have that, and she points out that this is business that they're in, and they've got to do what the customer says. 705 00:51:26,355.9118466 --> 00:51:33,644.2451799 befriends this other prostitute in the brothel, doesn't she? And she's telling her about this socialist group, and starts yeah. 706 00:51:33,979.2451799 --> 00:51:35,812.5785133 about workers rights and stuff. 707 00:51:35,879.2451799 --> 00:51:40,85.9118466 actually, she ends up hooking up with Antoinette, doesn't she? They have a bit of a relationship. 708 00:51:41,119.2451799 --> 00:51:43,559.2451799 but they also go to socialist meetings and stuff. 709 00:51:43,739.2451799 --> 00:51:45,319.2451799 All the while making quite a lot of money. 710 00:51:45,319.2451799 --> 00:51:46,329.2451799 I think she's making good money. 711 00:51:46,597.5785133 --> 00:51:49,497.5785133 So now we get the denouement, or whatever, Goblin is dead. 712 00:51:49,650.9118466 --> 00:51:51,200.9118466 Or dying, sorry, he's not dead. 713 00:51:51,840.9108466 --> 00:51:52,480.9118466 is dying. 714 00:51:52,725.9108466 --> 00:51:58,955.9118466 Not before, by the way, they've tried to recreate the experiment with another nearly dead pregnant woman. 715 00:51:59,20.9118466 --> 00:52:04,205.9118466 have, haven't they? And so they've got another girl who's in a state of mental infantilism. 716 00:52:05,603.5785234 --> 00:52:08,658.5785234 She's not progressing as well as Bella, not, it doesn't seem that way. 717 00:52:08,738.5785234 --> 00:52:11,573.5785234 But we don't know how long it's taken place, do we? Bella's. 718 00:52:11,613.5785234 --> 00:52:11,933.5785234 Yeah. 719 00:52:12,103.5785234 --> 00:52:13,303.5785234 are not really expressed. 720 00:52:13,903.5785234 --> 00:52:16,243.5785234 But she's certainly not as far advanced as Bella. 721 00:52:16,453.5785234 --> 00:52:18,623.5785234 So goblin has a huge growth in his belly. 722 00:52:18,673.5785234 --> 00:52:21,656.9108568 he has max with candles to Operate on it. 723 00:52:21,766.9118568 --> 00:52:22,986.9118568 I'm presuming to see what it is. 724 00:52:23,280.2441901 --> 00:52:26,36.9108568 he's conscious whilst he's been Locally anesthetized. 725 00:52:26,96.9108568 --> 00:52:29,866.9108568 I think he's conscious and watching his own belly being ripped and he realizes it's fatal. 726 00:52:29,916.9108568 --> 00:52:30,536.9108568 There's no hope. 727 00:52:30,616.9108568 --> 00:52:31,196.9108568 It's fatal. 728 00:52:31,196.9108568 --> 00:52:32,196.9108568 Yeah, the polyps are spread. 729 00:52:32,196.9108568 --> 00:52:33,386.9108568 I can see the polyps there. 730 00:52:33,386.9108568 --> 00:52:35,986.9108568 He says So he asks Max to find Bella. 731 00:52:36,150.2441901 --> 00:52:40,360.2441901 And what he does is he goes, he figures out that Duncan has wound up back home. 732 00:52:40,700.2431901 --> 00:52:42,300.2441901 And he's actually imprisoned. 733 00:52:42,660.2441901 --> 00:52:55,888.5775234 I think it's a mental asylum because he's wearing a straitjacket, isn't he? yeah goes to see Duncan and I think he, does he extract from him where she is? That's right, sends her a postcard, tells her to come home because Godwin's dying. 734 00:52:56,378.5775234 --> 00:52:57,128.5775234 So she does. 735 00:52:57,247.0623719 --> 00:53:05,257.0633719 And she meets the new girl and is sort of repulsed by this monstrosity and she's come to understand how, what's happened to her. 736 00:53:05,899.7836196 --> 00:53:07,999.7836196 announces that she's going to be a doctor. 737 00:53:08,9.7836196 --> 00:53:09,699.7836196 She's decided she wants to help people. 738 00:53:09,869.7836196 --> 00:53:16,133.1169529 And she's been studying anatomy while she's in Paris, hasn't she? she also asks Max if he wants to still marry her. 739 00:53:16,343.1169529 --> 00:53:18,183.1169529 And if he minds that she's been a whore. 740 00:53:18,469.7826196 --> 00:53:22,309.7836196 And Max is very open about it, it's like, yeah, Sure, yeah. 741 00:53:22,699.7836196 --> 00:53:26,149.7836196 Cue wedding, and cue what I think is a little bit of a tatty ending. 742 00:53:26,469.7836196 --> 00:53:27,79.7836196 But, here we go. 743 00:53:27,498.8956768 --> 00:53:29,529.683823 Mmm. 744 00:53:29,629.782823 --> 00:53:34,589.783823 point, isn't it? It's maybe a little bit long, but what happens? She's about to marry Max. 745 00:53:34,949.782823 --> 00:53:35,559.783823 there Yeah. 746 00:53:35,759.783823 --> 00:53:38,609.782823 of ending there, and there's no need really to drag it out like they do. 747 00:53:38,823.1161563 --> 00:53:48,79.781823 The rest of it is pretty mean spirited, isn't it? Because what happens is, she's about to marry Max, Godwin is still alive at this point, on heroin, amphetamines, and cocaine, he explains. 748 00:53:48,204.782823 --> 00:53:52,249.782823 where he says, I'm here today to give you away because I've got heroin for my toes, Heh. 749 00:53:52,249.882823 --> 00:53:58,474.782823 Ha spruce me up, and I've taken cocaine because I have a predilection for it. 750 00:53:59,129.781823 --> 00:54:05,369.783323 ha ha! funny But at the point where, they say, Is anyone here, know of any reason, blah blah blah. 751 00:54:05,964.783323 --> 00:54:08,229.783323 Duncan jumps through the door, Not Duncan. 752 00:54:08,394.783323 --> 00:54:09,189.783323 in Oh, well, yeah. 753 00:54:09,689.783323 --> 00:54:09,899.783323 Yeah. 754 00:54:10,34.783323 --> 00:54:17,559.783323 brought somebody along, hasn't A man covered in medals, who we learn is General Alfred Blessington, the name may be familiar. 755 00:54:17,729.783323 --> 00:54:21,649.783323 Claiming that she is Victoria, Bella is Victoria his wife. 756 00:54:21,723.1156563 --> 00:54:25,763.1166563 And that he, demands the wedding be stopped so that he can take his wife home. 757 00:54:26,646.7843433 --> 00:54:33,826.7843433 to decide whether to trust men on the basis of their attractiveness and he's quite attractive, isn't he? yeah, she's up for the adventure again, isn't she? So, Yeah. 758 00:54:34,141.7843434 --> 00:54:42,318.45101 to go with the General, and arrives at Stately home, filmed tilt shift style by the way, so it looks like a little model but it looks amazing again. 759 00:54:42,585.1176767 --> 00:54:50,275.1166767 it's clear that the general is a nasty piece of work, always seems to be fearing an uprising from the servants because he's always pointing his revolver at them. 760 00:54:50,418.45101 --> 00:54:52,468.45101 And pouring hot soup on them and that kind of thing. 761 00:54:52,718.45101 --> 00:55:07,105.1176767 So I think she realises that Victoria killed herself just to get away from him and his terrible Well he tells her that she hated the baby, which is a weird thing to hear because she is the baby, right? But he says that she didn't want to have the baby so she killed herself. 762 00:55:07,285.1176767 --> 00:55:09,495.1176767 Again, she's confined to quarters, isn't yes. 763 00:55:10,435.1171767 --> 00:55:21,170.4510304 him! Planning they're planning with a doctor to do female genital mutilation to circumcise her, basically, aren't they? He thinks that she's been led astray. 764 00:55:21,253.7843637 --> 00:55:24,3.7843637 She wound up in the brothel because of her, Nymphomaniac. 765 00:55:24,143.7843637 --> 00:55:25,733.7843637 yeah, her desires. 766 00:55:25,880.4510304 --> 00:55:28,953.4511117 And he's going to fix that by Mutilating her genitals. 767 00:55:28,963.4511117 --> 00:55:33,350.1177784 So on hearing this, quite rightly, she decides she's not going to stick around. 768 00:55:33,523.4511117 --> 00:55:42,356.7834451 he confronts her in the study with a cocktail of gin and chloroform and tells her that she's going to take this fall asleep and they're going to fix her as it were. 769 00:55:42,531.7844451 --> 00:55:44,151.7844451 Not before she can throw it in his face. 770 00:55:44,191.7844451 --> 00:55:47,436.7844451 Obviously he's gonna well, he's holding a gun at her as well, but you're right. 771 00:55:47,446.7844451 --> 00:55:52,210.1167784 She throws it in his face, grabs the gun, which discharges into the general's foot. 772 00:55:52,453.4511117 --> 00:55:55,193.4511117 And then he passes out from the chloroform and probably the pain. 773 00:55:55,420.1177784 --> 00:55:58,476.7844451 she takes his body to the Godwin's house. 774 00:55:59,560.1177784 --> 00:56:02,396.7844451 Godwin dies at this point with Bella holding him. 775 00:56:02,480.1177784 --> 00:56:10,430.1177784 Max McCandles and Antoinette, what do they do? transplant the goat's brain into the general's head. 776 00:56:10,760.1177784 --> 00:56:11,50.1177784 yeah. 777 00:56:11,340.1177784 --> 00:56:16,199.3500711 And they live as a thruple, don't they? bleating. 778 00:56:16,489.4500711 --> 00:56:22,959.3500711 grass as a general, walking around like those people on YouTube do who try to be horses, like walking around. 779 00:56:23,239.3490711 --> 00:56:35,359.3500711 I Like, on all fours, eating grass and eating the flowers in the, in the, mean there's a lot of sort of BDSM Seder massacre stuff going on in this end bit, isn't there? It's, off at that point. 780 00:56:35,589.3490711 --> 00:56:36,679.3500711 it's too much, yeah. 781 00:56:36,909.3500711 --> 00:56:46,774.3505711 this last, this last stuff where they, put a goat's brain to it and that stuff, it was just I know it needs to get a comeuppance, but, It's sort of like a punchline, isn't it? For a film that maybe didn't need that punchline. 782 00:56:46,819.3505711 --> 00:56:47,754.3505711 it need it? Huh. 783 00:56:47,899.3505711 --> 00:56:52,312.6839044 an interesting idea, Her transformation, her adventure, or her exploration of the world. 784 00:56:52,742.6839044 --> 00:56:55,812.6839044 I thought they could have left it there, you know, when Goblin dies. 785 00:56:56,62.6839044 --> 00:57:01,269.3505711 Not to short sell it, She does say that, She went to live this life, but it wasn't her life. 786 00:57:01,619.3495711 --> 00:57:03,149.3505711 But, I mean, that's fucking obvious. 787 00:57:03,149.3505711 --> 00:57:04,969.3515711 Because she's not her mother. 788 00:57:05,216.0162377 --> 00:57:05,596.0162377 No. 789 00:57:05,806.0172377 --> 00:57:07,6.0172377 the brain of the infant. 790 00:57:07,166.0172377 --> 00:57:08,436.0172377 She never knew that life. 791 00:57:08,756.0172377 --> 00:57:12,976.0172377 So even if the general thought that it was the same woman, We know that she's not. 792 00:57:13,6.0172377 --> 00:57:14,66.0172377 It's point, it's pointless. 793 00:57:14,206.0172377 --> 00:57:25,846.0162377 to work that through, do we? We don't need to see that worked out on, on film, So I, I thought that last bit, from really the, the, that didn't go through onwards, was just 25 minutes of stuff we didn't need. 794 00:57:25,926.0172377 --> 00:57:36,432.6839044 again, if we're supposed to take this symbolically, then know, are we? if it is all symbolic about becoming a new person, then maybe we are supposed to require that closure. 795 00:57:36,792.6839044 --> 00:57:42,516.0172377 Because that's the old, that's Victoria confronting her old life and rejecting it. 796 00:57:42,776.0172377 --> 00:57:44,406.0172377 But it's very heavy handed. 797 00:57:44,804.3505711 --> 00:57:45,274.3505711 right. 798 00:57:45,294.3505711 --> 00:57:46,24.3505711 I see what you mean. 799 00:57:46,232.6839044 --> 00:57:46,582.6839044 Hmm. 800 00:57:46,617.6839044 --> 00:57:48,332.6839044 I don't It sits uncomfortably. 801 00:57:48,342.6839044 --> 00:57:52,911.0172377 The metaphor and the the on the face of its story sit really uncomfortably together. 802 00:57:53,91.0172377 --> 00:57:56,341.0172377 Maybe that's not Yorgos fault so much, but I don't know. 803 00:57:56,351.0172377 --> 00:57:57,921.0172377 We don't know how close it is to the novel. 804 00:57:58,161.0172377 --> 00:58:01,436.9471769 And honestly, I don't feel wildly excited about going and reading the novel. 805 00:58:03,588.3505609 --> 00:58:04,138.3500609 I don't know. 806 00:58:04,138.3500609 --> 00:58:08,843.2505609 Is it metaphor? Is it, I mean Because like, Marie Antoinette isn't explicitly a socialist. 807 00:58:09,248.3505609 --> 00:58:27,868.3505609 um, But then we get this kind of Metaphorical moment where she gives money away to the poor but through somebody else and so we have things that are explicit, things are implicit And yeah, I thought it was bringing an axe to where a scalpel would be better employed, wouldn't it, I what an appropriate analogy. 808 00:58:28,160.0162275 --> 00:58:31,921.7945479 No, it was actually a scalpel, yeah Did we score this bugger? Yeah, let's do that. 809 00:58:32,1.6617354 --> 00:58:33,121.6617354 And we'll start with acting. 810 00:58:33,398.428402 --> 00:58:34,668.428402 It's really good, I think it's great. 811 00:58:34,948.428402 --> 00:58:37,921.7617354 Emma Stone got, as I say, I believe she won an Oscar for this. 812 00:58:38,148.428402 --> 00:58:40,568.428402 you might have liked Mark Ruffalo and his Duncan. 813 00:58:40,776.7617354 --> 00:58:42,973.428402 I did The cad about town. 814 00:58:43,86.7617354 --> 00:58:51,900.0940687 I thought what was good about her acting was the way essentially we're seeing a toddler throw tantrums, but we don't quite know that for the first 20 minutes or so. 815 00:58:52,820.0940687 --> 00:58:54,395.0940687 that was quite It's well down the arc. 816 00:58:54,813.428402 --> 00:58:58,286.7617354 it is really well done, the way she stumbles around the mansion kind of stuff. 817 00:58:58,391.7607354 --> 00:59:05,178.428402 I read someone pointing out that, Through the film, She only later in the film starts to use, pronouns. 818 00:59:05,178.428402 --> 00:59:11,156.7617354 So, And only at the very end does she start to say, I, where she's kind of realized herself, I suppose. 819 00:59:11,433.428402 --> 00:59:12,603.428402 A bit heavy handed too. 820 00:59:13,213.428402 --> 00:59:14,133.427402 but that's not acting. 821 00:59:14,443.428402 --> 00:59:16,463.427402 for the acting, I've got to give it a nine, I think. 822 00:59:16,876.7617354 --> 00:59:19,600.0950687 Yeah, I'm gonna go eight for the acting, very strong, near probably. 823 00:59:19,730.0950687 --> 00:59:23,946.7617354 I think you can only ding it for some of the accents, but they're doing a good job on the whole. 824 00:59:24,343.428402 --> 00:59:26,423.428402 plot and storyline. 825 00:59:26,670.0950687 --> 00:59:27,560.0950687 This is a bit trickier. 826 00:59:27,630.0950687 --> 00:59:37,420.0970687 whole idea, and most of the development, I was generally intrigued, to see she's going to do the brothel, was she going to make a whole career, which she did in the end, kind of thing. 827 00:59:37,736.7627354 --> 00:59:41,446.7627354 was the madame going to be a baddie or not, she wasn't as it turned out. 828 00:59:41,713.429402 --> 00:59:49,888.430402 So that kind of held it in terms of just general wanting to see, the relationships and the emotional development of the characters. 829 00:59:50,418.430402 --> 01:00:06,931.7657354 but what I just didn't like was this, it was all crammed in at the end and I didn't really see the point of having all this reveal at the end of, going back to her original, marriage tying it up with some sort of poetic justice of her bad husband who becomes a goat. 830 01:00:07,1.7657354 --> 01:00:09,151.7657354 I just didn't see the need for all that. 831 01:00:10,500.7656743 --> 01:00:17,637.432341 awkward about this whole story? Which is, this novel is written by a man, and it's been directed by a man. 832 01:00:17,637.432341 --> 01:00:27,400.7656743 And it's a story which, arguably, refreshingly, doesn't show a woman being constantly manipulated and exploited by men for sexual gratification. 833 01:00:27,400.7656743 --> 01:00:28,830.7656743 Or does it? Maybe it does. 834 01:00:29,60.7656743 --> 01:00:31,500.7656743 Which she just doesn't realise, maybe she doesn't realize, yeah. 835 01:00:32,490.7656743 --> 01:00:35,380.7646743 But Which is the awkward thing, I mean, she essentially is a child. 836 01:00:35,420.7656743 --> 01:00:39,470.7656743 It's a child's mind in some respects, isn't it? But she's, in all this. 837 01:00:39,505.7656743 --> 01:00:46,775.7646743 what's refreshing is that she's being depicted as being allowed to enjoy, sex, but not by society. 838 01:00:46,912.431341 --> 01:00:49,62.431341 here's a criticism then you can level at this film. 839 01:00:49,272.430341 --> 01:00:57,452.431341 This is like a man's fantasy about a woman, right? isn't it? It's like a really sticky, oh she's got the brain of a child, but the body of a woman. 840 01:00:57,607.431341 --> 01:00:59,762.331341 never going to say Yeah, yeah, ugh. 841 01:01:00,105.7646743 --> 01:01:05,810.7646743 I dunno, I don't know whether this is an empowering, wo woman's movie or not, no, no it's not. 842 01:01:06,79.0980077 --> 01:01:10,369.0980077 so, even though it's trying to say something about finding yourself and developing as a person. 843 01:01:10,884.0980077 --> 01:01:19,284.0980077 That's, I mean, that's the moral that used to precede all pornography, isn't it? You know, that's how you know it's pornography, is it? To get past the censors, it has a moral in there, kind of thing. 844 01:01:19,967.431341 --> 01:01:29,72.431341 No, I mean, no, it's, it's unpleasant, isn't it? if this had been written or filmed by a woman, it would smack differently, but it isn't and so it doesn't yeah. 845 01:01:29,840.7646743 --> 01:01:29,960.7646743 Hmm. 846 01:01:30,340.7646743 --> 01:01:38,110.7646743 I think the fact that the ending is so prolonged and kind of, means that they were struggling to find meaning to what they were writing here. 847 01:01:38,334.0980077 --> 01:01:39,634.0980077 I'm inclined to agree. 848 01:01:39,840.7646743 --> 01:01:40,580.7646743 Six for me. 849 01:01:40,740.7646743 --> 01:01:41,650.7646743 I'll give it a five. 850 01:01:41,977.431341 --> 01:01:46,124.0970077 Oh, strong I think, those criticisms really ding it. 851 01:01:46,334.0980077 --> 01:01:53,554.0980077 And this is not to reflect on the actors or even possibly Yorgos, who is maybe following roughly the book, I guess. 852 01:01:53,734.0980077 --> 01:01:54,664.0980077 But I think it's a problem. 853 01:01:55,197.431341 --> 01:02:01,367.431341 Okay, so let's talk about the cinematography and the special effects and the, the the production design. 854 01:02:01,832.431341 --> 01:02:02,532.431341 the film set. 855 01:02:02,542.431341 --> 01:02:05,467.431341 Maybe it wasn't Well, yeah, none of it was on location as far as I know. 856 01:02:05,467.431341 --> 01:02:14,510.7636743 It was all done on film sets in Budapest I think he deliberately wanted it to be like, of Hollywood, with the painted backdrops and stuff. 857 01:02:14,640.7646743 --> 01:02:15,890.7646743 The sets are amazing. 858 01:02:16,380.7636743 --> 01:02:19,274.0980077 The architecture is very imaginative. 859 01:02:19,327.431341 --> 01:02:20,497.431341 It's a beautiful film. 860 01:02:20,704.0980077 --> 01:02:22,847.431341 the cruise liner is really amazing. 861 01:02:23,4.0980077 --> 01:02:29,564.0970077 the airships and the cable cars are like something that HG Wells would have come up yeah, So it's all great. 862 01:02:29,894.0980077 --> 01:02:35,744.0980077 The color schemes, the color palettes for Portugal and for London in color when we get back there are just great, too. 863 01:02:35,944.0980077 --> 01:02:37,244.0980077 So I think this is a real strong point. 864 01:02:37,244.0980077 --> 01:02:40,724.0980077 I'm going to score it eight and a It's got real strong visual style. 865 01:02:41,54.0980077 --> 01:02:47,624.0980077 I think people who have probably seen more of his movies than I have probably are comparing this to Wes Anderson. 866 01:02:47,932.763593 --> 01:02:53,436.7644302 But we've avoided Anderson's film in most of our podcasts, and I'm not that familiar with him. 867 01:02:53,693.4310969 --> 01:02:56,623.4310969 But maybe that's the kind of thing he's going for, but it is very striking. 868 01:02:56,863.4310969 --> 01:03:04,276.7644302 technically as well, those special effects Some of which are obviously special effects because, we know there's no such thing as a chicken with a dog's head. 869 01:03:05,836.7644302 --> 01:03:13,826.7644302 But I'm sure many of the effects are invisible because, those fantastical sets must have all kinds of treatment done to them for them to work. 870 01:03:13,965.0977635 --> 01:03:15,25.0977635 how you score in this, Richard. 871 01:03:15,200.0977635 --> 01:03:16,970.0977635 yeah, thank you for hurrying me up, Paul. 872 01:03:17,183.4310969 --> 01:03:19,590.0977635 I'll give it a nine for all this visual stuff. 873 01:03:19,735.0977635 --> 01:03:20,865.0977635 Wow! Okay. 874 01:03:21,175.0977635 --> 01:03:33,655.0977635 Just one thing to say, representations of Victorian scientists versus representations of Victorian thinkers, as expressed by the, well there were several thinkers in the, In the film arc, there's the two friends on the ship, Sure. 875 01:03:34,95.0977635 --> 01:03:36,275.0977635 or Antoinette, and there's the brothel madame. 876 01:03:36,348.4310969 --> 01:03:39,178.4310969 Who, essentially all, all perform intellectual roles. 877 01:03:39,338.4310969 --> 01:03:47,941.7644302 I was just interested, in the way that Max McCandles and Gobwin are presented, and Gobwin's father, as being people who take the principles of science Too far. 878 01:03:48,311.7644302 --> 01:03:51,426.7644302 beyond, Beyond all ethical concerns. 879 01:03:51,451.7644302 --> 01:03:59,115.0977635 ethics committee, you know, uh, and There was grave robbing, wasn't there, uh, during the, during the early Victorian period for this kind of stuff. 880 01:03:59,275.0977635 --> 01:04:06,900.0967635 I just, I don't know really if it's just a bit too it's a trope we've seen again and again in many movies, in many stories. 881 01:04:07,260.0967635 --> 01:04:13,980.0977635 I would say though, unlike many other stories, they're not actually depicted as craven bad guys. 882 01:04:14,110.0967635 --> 01:04:15,740.0977635 They're depicted as humans. 883 01:04:15,936.7644302 --> 01:04:18,466.7644302 I mean, they're obviously doing some pretty monstrous things. 884 01:04:18,673.4310969 --> 01:04:22,723.4310969 But they are humanised by their emotional lives. 885 01:04:22,723.4310969 --> 01:04:26,713.4310969 And But you're right, it's, it's again, it's a really lazy stereotyping. 886 01:04:26,776.4310765 --> 01:04:36,512.4310358 and everybody wanted to be a scientist, Like, the way that people go to Costa Coffee and Starbucks is how people went to the local scientific society. 887 01:04:36,512.4310358 --> 01:04:39,252.4310358 That's where you hung out again, that's what you wanted to do. 888 01:04:39,292.4310358 --> 01:04:39,962.4310358 Everybody. 889 01:04:40,182.4310358 --> 01:04:45,917.4310358 So those operating theatres, anatomy theatre things were like a public thing, weren't they? wildly Yeah. 890 01:04:46,122.4310358 --> 01:04:58,152.4310358 I think this idea that, the people who start reading books on the deck of the, the sea liner wouldn't be scientists, and there's a very different approach to thinking and intellectualism between these two groups. 891 01:04:58,552.4310358 --> 01:05:46,475.7643692 I'm not sure it existed, and I think, people who were scientists were also avid readers of Goethe, avid readers of, whoever philosopher was big in the day kind of thing so that schism that's presented there i doesn't really reflect i think how victorian science although it was obsessed with progressivism although it was it i mean what's the idea mechanical mechanical progression was a big thing in victorian society wasn't the idea that everything could be known to an infinite degree of accuracy a word for that that's escaping me I'm not quite sure it the people who were scientists were scientists in this way to this degree in all their life kind of thing so Anyway, but it is science fact fantasy in a way, I mean, it's not going to wildly shock you that Alastair Gray wasn't a scientist himself, right? Alastair Gray, sadly, by the way, died in 2019. 892 01:05:46,495.7643692 --> 01:05:48,145.7643692 So, uh, he's no longer with us. 893 01:05:48,525.7643692 --> 01:05:52,95.7643692 no, sorry, what would she say? What would bella say about that delightful? Delightful. 894 01:05:52,155.7643692 --> 01:05:52,835.7643692 Marvelous. 895 01:05:53,643.9451873 --> 01:05:59,883.9461873 Okay overall for me it's a seven rich I don't know how you felt about it As we've discussed it, I'm feeling less inclined toward it. 896 01:06:00,287.2795207 --> 01:06:02,332.2795207 whoa No, I thought you were going to be big on this. 897 01:06:02,332.2795207 --> 01:06:04,442.2795207 I thought you were going to come out with a 9 or a 10 for this thing. 898 01:06:04,600.612854 --> 01:06:05,760.612854 visually looks great. 899 01:06:05,925.612854 --> 01:06:08,295.612854 This is the sexual politics, Richard, that's bothering you. 900 01:06:08,540.612854 --> 01:06:10,690.612854 I'm a bit bothered by the sexual politics, yeah. 901 01:06:11,300.612854 --> 01:06:12,900.612854 I've got to give it, I'll give it a six. 902 01:06:12,900.712854 --> 01:06:17,331.3262054 I mean, that's generous I its critical reception. 903 01:06:17,331.3262054 --> 01:06:20,421.3272054 It was loved, almost unanimously and universally, I think. 904 01:06:20,946.3272054 --> 01:06:25,319.4935701 think it's understandable, but someone would have to tell me what they really got out of it. 905 01:06:25,472.3622079 --> 01:06:34,860.4979589 Yeah, I mean, it's just I mean, maybe women find it freeing in some way, to have, to have the idea that they can get out of their terrible situations, maybe. 906 01:06:34,987.0411822 --> 01:06:37,57.0411822 If so, then I retract my score. 907 01:06:37,127.0411822 --> 01:06:37,567.0411822 I don't know. 908 01:06:39,240.5802792 --> 01:06:43,895.5792792 Okay, so Dun Dusted, it's a recommend, but Guarded recommend. 909 01:06:44,255.5792792 --> 01:06:45,35.5802792 You might be icked. 910 01:06:45,534.6071805 --> 01:06:49,604.6071805 Be prepared to be icked, and, yeah, be ready for them. 911 01:06:49,854.6071805 --> 01:06:52,814.6071805 Okay Richard, I think it's my turn to put forward some suggestions for you. 912 01:06:53,38.367999 --> 01:06:53,948.367999 See how you feel about these. 913 01:06:54,174.3494126 --> 01:06:54,854.3494126 Okay. 914 01:06:55,0.707471 --> 01:06:56,490.707471 Are you sure I didn't? Okay, yeah. 915 01:06:56,951.9529675 --> 01:06:57,571.9529675 Lay them on me. 916 01:06:57,731.9529675 --> 01:06:58,721.9529675 No, go for it. 917 01:06:58,969.7017283 --> 01:07:01,139.7017283 The first one is the fourth dimension. 918 01:07:01,494.7017283 --> 01:07:02,124.7017283 dimension. 919 01:07:02,164.7017283 --> 01:07:04,116.2123077 That's time, right? You can't fool me. 920 01:07:04,661.2123077 --> 01:07:05,701.2123077 yeah. 921 01:07:06,335.4594204 --> 01:07:06,815.4594204 think. 922 01:07:06,937.6453715 --> 01:07:08,677.6453715 The second one is Starve Acre. 923 01:07:08,722.6453715 --> 01:07:09,912.6453715 Starve Acre. 924 01:07:10,32.6453715 --> 01:07:10,552.6453715 Okay. 925 01:07:10,887.6453715 --> 01:07:11,407.6453715 Yeah. 926 01:07:11,602.2350826 --> 01:07:16,690.6991742 That had better have some action agriculture in it because I'm missing that. 927 01:07:16,970.5539682 --> 01:07:18,390.5539682 You can get any of that in this film. 928 01:07:18,687.8198372 --> 01:07:22,167.8198372 Yeah, I'm just, I'm thinking it might not be available to watch. 929 01:07:22,217.8198372 --> 01:07:25,400.8746591 I hope it The third one is, Emily the Criminal. 930 01:07:25,670.4726852 --> 01:07:26,90.4721852 Okay. 931 01:07:26,90.4721852 --> 01:07:27,160.4716852 That's Aubrey Plaza. 932 01:07:28,36.1412702 --> 01:07:34,671.0083098 And the fourth one is, The Art of Self Defense, which we've put forward several times over several weeks. 933 01:07:34,849.6975253 --> 01:07:35,619.6975253 So take your pick. 934 01:07:35,740.8694188 --> 01:07:36,240.8694188 Okay. 935 01:07:36,610.8704188 --> 01:07:38,870.8704188 I don't think we can see Starve Acre. 936 01:07:38,930.8704188 --> 01:07:40,490.8704188 I don't think there's anywhere to watch it. 937 01:07:40,780.9902957 --> 01:07:42,870.9902957 So let's strike that for the moment. 938 01:07:42,870.9902957 --> 01:07:48,302.460916 it's either the Art of Self Defense, I think, or Yeah, I think the art of self defense is where we're gonna go. 939 01:07:49,7.398416 --> 01:07:50,807.398416 There we go, The Art of Self Defense. 940 01:07:51,180.7098909 --> 01:07:54,491.0047245 about females, or not, to do karate. 941 01:07:55,251.0047245 --> 01:07:58,471.0047245 Just Things, Two Things Is Not Richard, Furiosa Mad Max is coming out soon. 942 01:07:58,481.0037245 --> 01:08:00,451.0047245 The Surfer with Nicolas Cage on Edge is coming out soon. 943 01:08:00,461.0047245 --> 01:08:02,981.0047245 I think we might have to pop to the cinema at some point. 944 01:08:03,106.0672245 --> 01:08:10,619.4005578 Okay, we also need to make a decision, a big decision, about the blockbuster science fiction film Megalopolis. 945 01:08:10,697.7713911 --> 01:08:16,847.5006392 Oh, Ford Yeah, it out or not? I don't know, but it's not had a good critical reception. 946 01:08:17,332.4381392 --> 01:08:22,235.7714725 I think we have to go and rubberneck it, don't we? it's had a terrible reception. 947 01:08:23,68.4380985 --> 01:08:24,118.4380985 Like, beyond bad. 948 01:08:24,211.7704318 --> 01:08:26,741.7704318 Okay, three cinema films in the offering. 949 01:08:26,791.7704318 --> 01:08:30,998.4370985 Paul, maybe you're going to come to Manchester and watch the film here one time. 950 01:08:31,105.1037651 --> 01:08:33,305.1027651 Because I do have this gift for you, to give you. 951 01:08:33,450.0412651 --> 01:08:36,48.4360985 Is it a suitcase? Until the next time, thank you for listening. 952 01:08:36,765.0402651 --> 01:08:37,295.0402651 Ciao for now. 953 01:08:37,375.0402651 --> 01:08:38,505.1027651 See you on the Goodbye. 954 01:08:39,175.0402651 --> 01:08:39,485.0402651 Bye bye.