September 21, 2025 • 22 mins
Driving Vision Podcast: From Setbacks to Speed—Rally Driver Rhianon Gelsomino on Resilience, Risk & Rising to the Top
This week, we go backstage at Zeigler Honda in Kalamazoo with VP of Talent Development Mike Van Ryn and special guest Rhianon Gelsomino—world-class Subaru Rally co-driver and partner to motorsport legend Travis Pastrana.
Rhi’s story is nothing short of extraordinary: from growing up in a motorsport family, to overcoming devastating accidents that left her learning to walk again, to carving out her place as one of the best in a male-dominated industry.
🔥 In this episode, you’ll hear how grit, preparation, and passion fuel both rally racing and the culture at Team Zeigler.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode
- Resilience in Action: How Rhi turned broken bones, burns, and setbacks into fuel for an unstoppable career.
- Preparation Under Pressure: Why success in rally—and business—comes down to relentless preparation and multitasking.
- The Power of “Why”: Rhi’s inner drive to compete, inspire, and challenge herself every day.
- Breaking Barriers: Her message to women in male-dominated industries: make no excuses, work hard, and prove you belong.
- Leadership & Giving Back: How Rhi combines her passion for teaching with racing through Aus Rally Pro, training the next generation of drivers.
- Culture & Community: The surprising ways Subaru, Zeigler, and the rally community share values of teamwork, positivity, and giving back.
Memorable Quotes
“If you work really hard and make no excuses, you’ll get there—regardless of being male or female—because of how good you are at your job.” – Rhianon Gelsomino“Preparation is everything. In our sport, if we don’t prepare, we could die. That’s how high the stakes are.” – Rhianon Gelsomino“Gratitude and positivity are game-changers. A smile—even on your toughest day—can create a customer for life.” – Rhianon GelsominoWhy You Should Listen
Whether you’re chasing your next sales goal, leading a team, or facing down life’s toughest challenges, Rhi’s story will inspire you to set goals, take risks, and push beyond limits.
🎧 Listen now to learn how YOU can drive vision in your own life and career.
👉 Don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and leave us a comment with your biggest takeaway!
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Rh (00:05):
You know, there's only males in the industry and they can't,
you know, break into that world.But my opinion is if you work
really hard and you make noexcuses, you will get there
regardless because of how goodyou are at your job.
Sam Darc (00:15):
Welcome everyone to the driving vision podcast
brought to you by the ZigglerAuto Group. I'm your host, Sam
Dark. Be sure to subscribe tothe podcast. Like it if you do,
and leave a comment.
Mike VanRyn (00:28):
Hey, listener family and team Ziggler. We are
here backstage in our KalamazooHonda locker room with Rhianna
Gelcimino, Subaru Rally codriver with Travis Trana. And we
just got done with an absolutelyamazing presentation, Rhee. What
were your thoughts on TeamZiggler?
Rh (00:48):
I mean, it's amazing to be out here to see the group of
people and see inspiration thatthey all have. I love talking
about my passion for rally. Andthen, you know, you're talking
about how teamwork andcollaboration and stuff can work
in the Ziegler Group as well. SoI'm excited to be out here. I've
never been to Kalamazoo before.
So
Mike VanRyn (01:08):
first time.
Rh (01:09):
First time. I've been to Michigan a lot of times, though,
to the national rallies in inMichigan. So it's great being
out here, and I'm excited to tryand give people some motivation
to take the next step in theirgoals.
Mike VanRyn (01:21):
Well, Rhee, you talked about taking your dream
and making it a reality and yourpath for success. And you just
did an incredible job, and I'venever seen our audience so
engaged. Were just askingquestions along the whole
presentation, so it wasfabulous. But first off, how did
you get into rally racing?
Rh (01:38):
Yeah. I was lucky. I was born into a motorsport family.
So I'm I'm a bit blessed in thatway because a lot of people,
obviously, they have to worktheir own way out. Whereas
having my dad and brothersinvolved allowed me to, you
know, quickly move into themotorsport area when many other
people have to find their ownroute.
So having dad and my brothersthere and helping me and
(02:00):
coaching me along the way hasdefinitely helped me on my path
to where I got today.
Mike VanRyn (02:04):
Yeah, absolutely. You shared your incredible
story. Of course, with yourstory, you had several setbacks.
You had a lot of obstacles. Andwe heard the word resiliency,
right?
It was talking about yourmindset. You went through a
phase where you're in ahorrible, horrible accident and
you broke both your legs. Youhad to learn to walk again. And
then fast forward and you're inanother horrible accident and
(02:27):
you're burned. Your whole body'sburned.
I mean, how do you get throughthose types of things? And how
do we tie that in with our liveswith challenges that we have?
Rh (02:36):
Yeah. I think that in life, it's important to take risks.
But obviously, risk can comewith, you know, some of the
horrific things that havehappened with my broken legs and
my burns. But, you know, I'vealways told myself that I need
to wake up every day and setgoals and challenges because
you're not living lifeotherwise. I was talking to some
of the girls just before and oneof them had had an accident as
(02:56):
well.
And she was saying how she'sstill coming back from that
mindset of how does she moveforward. And I just said to her
that you need to wake up everyday and remember it's a new day
and and we need to challengeourselves in so many ways. So
for me, you know, I they weresetbacks and they were
challenges and I had to learn towalk again and all these many
things. But they made mestronger. They made me more
resilient.
(03:17):
And I think in anything we do inlife, if we don't take risk,
we're not living. So, you know,challenging yourself and taking
risk comes with, you know, somebad circumstances sometimes like
it has with me. But at the endof the day, it it challenged me
and it made me a strongerperson. I think I'm able I'm 44
now and I think I'm able to doso many things and motivated to
do so many things because I waschallenged along the way.
Mike VanRyn (03:39):
Yeah. Well, it's just interesting hearing your
story. And you're an incredibleperson. I mean, you got an
incredible, incredible will anda why for why you do what you
do. Tell us a bit more aboutkind of your why.
Rh (03:52):
Why? I definitely everything I've done in my life, I've
always wanted to be the best.
Mike VanRyn (03:56):
Yeah. That internal drive, that competition. Right?
Rh (04:01):
Definitely competition. I love competition. It doesn't
matter what it seemed like. Iasked one of the people before.
I shouldn't have done that.
I'm like, oh, who sold the mostcars this year? Like, I'm still,
like, competing with the withthe sales guys out there. So,
you know, I I thrive oncompetition. And and I think
that that's important because itit actually makes me challenge
myself more. I wanna be thebest.
(04:22):
And I I also wanna challengepeople around me to be the best.
So the cool thing about workingwith Travis Perstrainer is that,
like, he's one of the best inthe world that what he's done
throughout the years. And thenhe meets me and we're like, I'm
like the female version. I thinkI just take
Mike VanRyn (04:37):
a little
Rh (04:38):
bit less risk than him. And so like, at the end of the day,
we both work really, really hardtogether and challenge each
other. And and I think that, youknow, for me, the why is that,
you know, I wanna wake up everyday and I wanna be challenged
and I wanna face fears and and,you know, take risks in life
that, you know, some people,they live their life. I've got
friends in Idaho who have neverleft Idaho. Like, I can't even
(05:00):
imagine, like, not taking, youknow, opportunities to see the
world and travel and all thesesort of things that we can do in
our life in this, you know, dayand age that we live in.
So I think that too many peoplejust live in their little box
and they're too scared to jumpout of it and try new things.
And And even if you're a motherwith children, I feel like you
still should be giving yourselfchallenges because it's good for
(05:22):
you mentally as well. So I thinkthat that's important.
Mike VanRyn (05:25):
Yeah. Know, Ree, from the first time you and I
chatted, I think it was on aphone call or on a Zoom quite a
while ago. I could feel yourpassion for life, living life to
the fullest, feel your energy.It's contagious, right? And we
have a lot of listeners outthere that could be going
through some obstacles in theirlife, could be going through
some bad setbacks, but just yourwill to live, your passion for
(05:47):
what you do is just so inspiringfor others.
So I hope our listeners are ableto take that. And whatever
challenges they've got going on,they're able to apply some of
that mindset.
Rh (05:55):
Yeah. And I think it's about setting, like, small goals to
start off with. Sometimes peopletry and set these huge goals
like, oh, I wanna be world rallychampion. Yeah. I'd love to do
that, but how do I get there?
You know what I mean? So I thinkit's about how do we set small
goals first to get you where youneed to be today
Mike VanRyn (06:11):
Yeah.
Rh (06:12):
And then progress to the bigger goals, you know. So I
think that one thing thatpeople, you know, worry about so
much is I need to be in thatplace. Well, how do I get to
that place first? As the manysmall steps along the way. So
even if you've had setbacks likeI have and and today might feel
harder than others or you've gotsome challenges you're facing in
many different ways, if you canjust set yourself small goals
(06:35):
along the way and then progressto the bigger goals as you go, I
think it's a good way to wake upand feel positive in the
morning.
Mike VanRyn (06:42):
Absolutely. Absolutely. In your past past
life, you're a teacher, so Iknow you're passionate about
education. You're passionateabout leadership, mentoring,
coaching. What is OZ Rally Pro?
Tell tell us about that and howit ties in.
Rh (06:54):
Yeah. So I was a school teacher in 02/2010, and then I
took up my racing full time. AndI was actually really missing
teaching. Yeah. And so Irealized that there was a bit of
a gap in the world of rallywhere, you know, the successful
people like myself and myhusband, they weren't giving
back to the sport, you know, andthey weren't really helping to
progress the sport.
So I come up with this idea ofAus Rally Pro to start training
(07:17):
people. And so we started in2013, and Alex and I you know,
it's just Alex and I and our ownlittle small company, and we've
trained over 800 people betweenAmerica and New Zealand and
Australia, which for the rallyindustry, that's a lot of people
because it's not a huge sport.Yeah. And so, you know, we give
back to the the sport in thatway. We do big group sessions of
30 people.
(07:38):
We do one on one trainings, Andit's a really good way to get
people in the, you know, on theright track so they're not doing
the wrong things when they'reracing down a stage at a 100
miles per hour and they don'tknow what they're doing. So it's
really good way from Alex and Ito give back to our sport and
help build it as much as we can.So Aussie Rally Pro is
definitely a passion of mine,and I get to keep teaching that
(08:00):
way. But I get to combine my twopassions of teaching and rally,
which is super cool for me.
Mike VanRyn (08:05):
How cool is that, right? Combining those two
passions and then also givingback. Right? That's huge. Know,
I know Subaru is huge oncommunity and huge on giving
back as well.
Actually, I don't know if yourealize this, but at Team
Ziegler, Subaru is relatively anew franchise for us in the last
five years, but we love ourSubaru teams and our stores, our
Subaru customers, and passionateabout giving back. You know,
(08:28):
talk to us a bit about kinda howyour values tie in with Subaru
and
Rh (08:32):
the Yeah. Mean, it's been great. Subaru, once I started
working with them in 2020,they've now brought me on board.
I attend the Subi Fest. Yeah.
So I get to attend those andshare my passion for rallying.
And I also was at the SubaruSummit last year. So I've been
really able to build a greatworking relationship with Subaru
of America, and and we have thesame core values of, you know,
(08:53):
what we want to achieve, ourpassion and love. And so, you
know, at the Subaru Fest eventswhen I go there, I meet
thousands of people. Yeah.
Yeah. And I get to share, youknow, what my love is of Rally
and their passion for the car.Like, the Subaru, you know,
community and the passion thatthey have for these cars is
(09:13):
nuts. Like, the Travis and Isigning dashes, and we're doing
all I'm like, are you sure youwant us to touch your car? Like
so yeah.
I mean and we've actually got aSubi Fest next week, Travis and
I, that we'll be heading to. Sothere's six of them throughout
America. So, you know, if you'rea listener and you're a Subaru
person, check out Subaru Fest.They're really cool. You can
bring your car out and getTravis Knight to sign the dash
(09:35):
and all those fun things.
Mike VanRyn (09:37):
Well, we're thankful for Subaru and our
partnership there with ZieglerAuto Group and definitely love
our Subaru stores and ourcustomers.
Rh (09:44):
That's cool.
Mike VanRyn (09:44):
They're great customers. And it's neat how
they align and tie in with ourTeam Ziggler values too and with
our culture. So it's really beenneat. And I saw you won the Hanu
Mikola award. Did I say thatright?
Rh (09:56):
The Hannah Mikola award. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I did that
your research.
Mike VanRyn (10:00):
My research. What is what is that? That's through
the ties in with give it back.
Rh (10:03):
Yeah. That was actually pretty cool. So if any of you
heard of the Goodwood Festivalof Speed, it's one of the
biggest festival speeds in theworld. So Travis and I were
there just, you know, in July, Ithink it was actually. And when
we were there, as you would haveseen today, I'm big into giving.
So I gave everyone some goodswag today.
Mike VanRyn (10:20):
Yeah. That that was fantastic. We got extra credit
from our team today. Great.
Rh (10:24):
When went to The UK, I made sure I took swag with me, and I
made sure all the officials werelooked after really well. And
Travis and I made a specialeffort to give back to the fans
and things like that. And we wereally went above and beyond to
communicate with the people overthere and really share our love
for what we do. And and at theend of the day, we were awarded
the Hannah Mikkelar Award, whichwas an incredible, you know,
(10:45):
feeling for us both to havethat. It's now sitting proudly
in my house.
Mike VanRyn (10:49):
That's fantastic. Yeah.
Rh (10:51):
So it pretty special, to be honest.
Mike VanRyn (10:53):
Congratulations on that. You're working in a pretty
male dominated industry, right,your whole life. And we've got a
lot of fantastic leaders acrossteams. A lot of them are female
leaders, right? What messagewould you have to them maybe if
they're dealing with impostersyndrome or maybe they're
dealing with feeling like aminority in a male dominated
(11:15):
industry?
Rh (11:16):
Yeah, a lot of people ask me that question because if you go
to our rally team, in the videostoday, would have seen I'm the
only female there. But for me, Ijust, you know, I try never make
any excuses and I just workreally hard and I prove that I
am the best and that's why I'mthere. So I feel like, you know,
a lot of times people feelthreatened that, you know,
there's only males in theindustry and they can't, you
know, break into that world. Butmy opinion is if you work really
(11:38):
hard and you make no excuses,you will get there regardless
because of how good you are atyour job. Right.
So when on the video at onepoint, Travis said, it's not
because she's a girl. It'sbecause she's the best.
Mike VanRyn (11:48):
She's the Yeah. So Take note of that.
Rh (11:50):
I think that's really important that, you know, it
doesn't matter if I'm male orfemale. Travis has me in the car
because I'm the best. So, youknow, if you are a female and
you're feeling a little bitintimidated by the male
industry, which the car industryreally is in many ways, You
know? But if that's really whatyou wanna do and you're
passionate about, just workreally hard and and you'll get
there just like I have by beinggood at your job and proving
(12:10):
that you should be in thatposition over someone else.
Mike VanRyn (12:13):
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Well said. So well
said.
We kind of share those samebeliefs at Team Ziegler as well.
Rh (12:20):
Yeah. I don't think there's any reason why you can't be
there. You know what I mean? Andand sometimes I I think as a
woman myself, sometimes we setthe boundaries and we say we
can't go past it. But don't beafraid to push those boundaries
and say, well, it doesn't matterif I'm male or female.
If that's where I want to be,that's where I can get if I work
hard and and I push thoseboundaries.
Mike VanRyn (12:40):
Yeah, would definitely agree with you. And I
think about everyone at somepoint in their life has had a
set of imposter syndrome ormaybe a self limiting mindset.
You just have to work hard toovercome it.
Rh (12:51):
Yeah. And I think the self limiting mindset will just hold
you back in every way. So, youknow, trying to set goals and
set challenges for yourself,then you get past those, you
know, and sometimes it'ssomething a comment that someone
made to you and you've taken itthe wrong way or you've taken it
too far. You know what I mean?Whereas I think that, you know,
just keep your mind very clearand focus on your goals and try
(13:13):
and block out the externalthings.
Mike VanRyn (13:15):
Yeah, anytime I have that in my personal life,
for the listeners out there,what I try to do is look at and
focus on gratitude and thinkabout, hey, what do I have in my
life that I can be reallythankful for? Pull those things
out of my mind or actuallyphysically write them down on a
piece of paper and reallyvisualize those things. So
gratitude is just so important.It can maybe take you from that
(13:36):
self limiting mindset or maybethat imposter syndrome to the
positive mindset.
Rh (13:41):
100%. I think gratitude is very, very important. And even
the other day, I think you saw Iwas wearing a T shirt that said
kindness is free. Yeah, that'sright. There's so many things
that I think that we can worktogether on to help build our
collaborating and teams andeverything just by being
positive and nice.
You know what I mean? Like, itdoesn't hurt to come to work
(14:01):
with a smile on your face andmake people feel good about
themselves versus being anegative person. So I feel like
there's so many ways that as anindividual, we can help build
our team and build other peoplearound us to be better as well,
which is really important too.
Mike VanRyn (14:16):
Absolutely. Really well said, Rhee. A couple of
questions to close it out. Ifeel like we could talk for a
couple of hours together here.This has been fun.
Talk to us, you know, you're theco driver, and the word that
keeps coming up in my mind asyou're explaining your job and
your role is preparation. Talkto us about preparation, how it
goes into your role, and thenalso how we can tie that in
maybe with our customers Yeah.At Team Ziegler.
Rh (14:38):
I mean, preparation, think, is key in any role in any
industry. So if Travis and Idon't prepare well enough in our
industry, we could die. So it'spretty crazy to think that you
know? So preparation is keyfrom, you know, when I'm at home
studying the maps to when I'mstudying the notes from previous
years to the videos, like, thecountless hours I put in before
(14:59):
I actually arrive to a event.Like, people just see me calling
notes in the stages, and they'rejust like, oh, you know, how do
you get there and how do you beso good and how do you do this
and that?
Well, it takes countless hoursof preparation, you know, in in
building the success that I'vebeen able to achieve. But
there's also so many other wordsthat I use, like multitasking.
Like, not only do you have to beprepared, you'd be have to be
(15:21):
able to multitask along the way.So be doing, you know, three
different jobs at once. And evenat Ziegler, like, you've got you
know, you're preparing the bestyou can for the customers you're
dealing with and and how you setthem up for success with their
car and things like that.
But also, like, at the sametime, you know, there's so many
different multitasking going on.You know, you've got this
(15:41):
customer over here that needsthis and this customer. So I
think that if you can build agood group of values and and
core ways that you move throughyour life, it makes it, you
know, your job a lot easierbecause you can give yourself
standards of how you go aboutthings every day.
Mike VanRyn (15:56):
Yeah. And also, if we're preparing what we do at
Team Ziglar for our customers inany role in the organization, it
shows that we're professional.100%. We value our customers'
time, and we care about them.
Rh (16:09):
Yeah. And I think as a customer, like, they wanna be
felt cared about. Yeah. It'sreally important. So I think
that, you know, if you canreally and and for me, one of
the biggest things that I'm ahappy person, but I think that
if someone enters a room andyou've got a smile on your face,
it can change their day.
And so, like, I feel like somepeople let themselves down
because they just don't havethat right attitude on their
(16:32):
body language and thingsalready. So, you know, if I can
give people one piece of advice,even if you're having the
crappiest day, if you can put asmile on your face and that
customer walks in or whoeveryou're dealing with and you just
changed how they felt aboutthemselves on that day, you may
have just given yourself acustomer for life So, purely
because of your I think thatthat's key to success as well.
Mike VanRyn (16:54):
So well said. And you can do that in any role in
any organisation, right? Yep.That has customers. And you can
even do it over the phone.
Rh (17:00):
100%.
Mike VanRyn (17:01):
I think customers can hear the smile over the
phone.
Rh (17:04):
100%.
Mike VanRyn (17:05):
So big. A couple last questions. We got to get
into Travis Pastrana a littlebit here, because I grew up I
watching grew up watching him,you know? Huge fan. But what
makes the two of you complementeach other so well?
You're a dominating force andyou both have strengths,
weaknesses. Right? But whatmakes you so good together as a
(17:25):
team? Teamwork, there's trust.Right?
Talk to us about that.
Rh (17:29):
Yeah. I think that we're both very, very hard workers. A
lot of people just see Travis,and they just think he's crazy.
But he, you know, he looks atrisk and he assesses it, and he
works out what's the safest wayto achieve what he wants to
achieve. So I I mean, he willwork just as hard as I, you
know, push him.
And so what I love about workingwith people like that is they
(17:49):
don't give up. They just work ashard as you do, and they wanna
challenge you as well. So I havebecome a better co driver from
working with Travis too becausewe get to the end of the stage.
And even if we've won the stage,we're both so determined and
we're so, you know, committed towhat we're doing and
competitive, obviously, thatwe're always like, how could we
have been better? What could wehave done better in there?
(18:11):
And so it's actually made bothof us better as a team, and it's
challenged our our service crewand things as well because, you
know, we're all expecting betterfrom each other. So it's raised
the team as a whole, you know,and the running joke is I might
be the only girl in the team,but I'm the boss of the
Mike VanRyn (18:28):
team. So so That's fantastic.
Rh (18:31):
So I think that, you know, if you're hardworking and you
can challenge each other, it'sgonna be key to anyone for their
success. And and look, if it'snot working, maybe the teammate
that you're dealing with at thebusiness, maybe there's
challenges with differentpersonality types and things
like that. But I think that youcan always work around it if
you're willing to push eachother and challenge each other
and and try and be the best youcan be.
Mike VanRyn (18:53):
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And what's a common
myth about Travis that maybelisteners might not know or or
maybe something interestingabout Travis that the listeners
might not know.
Rh (19:03):
There's actually a funny X-ray of his body going around
at the moment.
Mike VanRyn (19:07):
Have you seen it? I haven't seen it.
Rh (19:08):
Oh my gosh. It's online, and it's supposedly Travis's X-ray
of his body. Okay. But it's not.
Mike VanRyn (19:14):
It's actually not. Okay.
Rh (19:15):
See that? Yes. He is very broken, and he has a lot of
things going on. But one of thefunniest things is, like, I've
broken both my femurs in aracing crest, but Travis hasn't
broken a femur. So on thatX-ray, there's, like, rods in
his femurs.
He's like, nope. That's not me.
Mike VanRyn (19:28):
So me.
Rh (19:28):
So if you have seen that, it was going viral. It's definitely
going viral. And everyone'slike, this is Travis's scans.
He's like, no. It's not.
Mike VanRyn (19:35):
So That's funny. So so one of them. He broke both
your femurs.
Rh (19:38):
Yeah. Yeah. I got him. So and and and I have a broken
fibula that I live with. So hehe loves saying, Rick, come over
here.
It's a party trick. Show himyour fibula. And I'm like,
Travis, really? So it's it'salways fun and I'll be at
Pastorrano Land next week. Sowish me luck.
Hopefully, I survive Well,
Mike VanRyn (19:55):
we'll pray for you.
Rh (19:56):
Thanks for me.
Mike VanRyn (19:57):
That's great. Well well, let's end it let's end it
on a funny story. You're tellingus your husband, Alex,
obviously, is a professionalrally co driver too. How cool is
that? And then you're telling afunny story about he's at
Pastranaland.
Right? And what did he do?
Rh (20:13):
Well, Alex is actually he takes risks in the rally car.
Mike VanRyn (20:16):
Okay. Okay.
Rh (20:17):
But day to day life, he's very, you know, conservative,
would say. He's careful in whathe does. And so next second, see
the pink barbie car that you mayhave seen in Nightmare
Mike VanRyn (20:28):
Oh, I've seen it.
Rh (20:29):
And I see my husband in it. And I'm like, what has Travis
got Alex doing? And next second,Alex goes Travis is, like,
waving. He's okay, Reid. AndAlex goes flying down the ramp
and into the foam pit, and hejust thought it was the best
ever.
And I'm like, the things thatTravis convinces us to do. So I
was a little bit nervous, but hethought it was great. And I
didn't think I'd ever see thathappen. So if you ever get the
(20:51):
chance to go to Pastoralant, becareful
Mike VanRyn (20:53):
what That's you wish right.
Rh (20:54):
That's right. Be careful what you wish for. And be
prepared that you definitely mayleave with some sort of broken
bone if you're not careful.
Mike VanRyn (21:02):
Gotta be up for the challenge, right?
Rh (21:04):
Definitely. You need to be up for the challenge. Otherwise,
Travis will definitely just pushyou.
Mike VanRyn (21:09):
That's awesome. Well, Rhiannon and Gelcimino,
congrats on your success. Weappreciate you genuinely here at
Team Ziggler for investing yourtime with us. Amazing job today.
And if listeners wanna find outmore about you, how do they how
do they find out more about you?
Rh (21:23):
Yeah. I mean, if they wanna follow me on Instagram, it's at
rianna and julcimino. That'swhere I post a lot of stuff. I I
am very active on social media.So feel free to do that.
There's also a really coolYouTube video on me, stories of
survival, which you'll find onchannel 199, which is Travis's
YouTube page. That tells a goodstory about my life as well. So
(21:44):
yeah, Facebook, Instagram,YouTube, check it out and call
Emma.
Mike VanRyn (21:49):
Congrats on your success and we appreciate you
and your, just heart and passionfor people and giving back.
Rh (21:54):
Thank you.
Sam Darc (21:57):
Special thanks to all who contributed to this week's
podcast. Until next week, howare you driving vision today?
You know, there's only males in the industry and they can't,
you know, break into that world.But my opinion is if you work
really hard and you make noexcuses, you will get there
regardless because of how goodyou are at your job.
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Mike VanRyn (00:28):
Hey, listener family and team Ziggler. We are
here backstage in our KalamazooHonda locker room with Rhianna
Gelcimino, Subaru Rally codriver with Travis Trana. And we
just got done with an absolutelyamazing presentation, Rhee. What
were your thoughts on TeamZiggler?
Rh (00:48):
I mean, it's amazing to be out here to see the group of
people and see inspiration thatthey all have. I love talking
about my passion for rally. Andthen, you know, you're talking
about how teamwork andcollaboration and stuff can work
in the Ziegler Group as well. SoI'm excited to be out here. I've
never been to Kalamazoo before.
So
Mike VanRyn (01:08):
first time.
Rh (01:09):
First time. I've been to Michigan a lot of times, though,
to the national rallies in inMichigan. So it's great being
out here, and I'm excited to tryand give people some motivation
to take the next step in theirgoals.
Mike VanRyn (01:21):
Well, Rhee, you talked about taking your dream
and making it a reality and yourpath for success. And you just
did an incredible job, and I'venever seen our audience so
engaged. Were just askingquestions along the whole
presentation, so it wasfabulous. But first off, how did
you get into rally racing?
Rh (01:38):
Yeah. I was lucky. I was born into a motorsport family.
So I'm I'm a bit blessed in thatway because a lot of people,
obviously, they have to worktheir own way out. Whereas
having my dad and brothersinvolved allowed me to, you
know, quickly move into themotorsport area when many other
people have to find their ownroute.
So having dad and my brothersthere and helping me and
(02:00):
coaching me along the way hasdefinitely helped me on my path
to where I got today.
Mike VanRyn (02:04):
Yeah, absolutely. You shared your incredible
story. Of course, with yourstory, you had several setbacks.
You had a lot of obstacles. Andwe heard the word resiliency,
right?
It was talking about yourmindset. You went through a
phase where you're in ahorrible, horrible accident and
you broke both your legs. Youhad to learn to walk again. And
then fast forward and you're inanother horrible accident and
(02:27):
you're burned. Your whole body'sburned.
I mean, how do you get throughthose types of things? And how
do we tie that in with our liveswith challenges that we have?
Rh (02:36):
Yeah. I think that in life, it's important to take risks.
But obviously, risk can comewith, you know, some of the
horrific things that havehappened with my broken legs and
my burns. But, you know, I'vealways told myself that I need
to wake up every day and setgoals and challenges because
you're not living lifeotherwise. I was talking to some
of the girls just before and oneof them had had an accident as
(02:56):
well.
And she was saying how she'sstill coming back from that
mindset of how does she moveforward. And I just said to her
that you need to wake up everyday and remember it's a new day
and and we need to challengeourselves in so many ways. So
for me, you know, I they weresetbacks and they were
challenges and I had to learn towalk again and all these many
things. But they made mestronger. They made me more
resilient.
(03:17):
And I think in anything we do inlife, if we don't take risk,
we're not living. So, you know,challenging yourself and taking
risk comes with, you know, somebad circumstances sometimes like
it has with me. But at the endof the day, it it challenged me
and it made me a strongerperson. I think I'm able I'm 44
now and I think I'm able to doso many things and motivated to
do so many things because I waschallenged along the way.
Mike VanRyn (03:39):
Yeah. Well, it's just interesting hearing your
story. And you're an incredibleperson. I mean, you got an
incredible, incredible will anda why for why you do what you
do. Tell us a bit more aboutkind of your why.
Rh (03:52):
Why? I definitely everything I've done in my life, I've
always wanted to be the best.
Mike VanRyn (03:56):
Yeah. That internal drive, that competition. Right?
Rh (04:01):
Definitely competition. I love competition. It doesn't
matter what it seemed like. Iasked one of the people before.
I shouldn't have done that.
I'm like, oh, who sold the mostcars this year? Like, I'm still,
like, competing with the withthe sales guys out there. So,
you know, I I thrive oncompetition. And and I think
that that's important because itit actually makes me challenge
myself more. I wanna be thebest.
(04:22):
And I I also wanna challengepeople around me to be the best.
So the cool thing about workingwith Travis Perstrainer is that,
like, he's one of the best inthe world that what he's done
throughout the years. And thenhe meets me and we're like, I'm
like the female version. I thinkI just take
Mike VanRyn (04:37):
a little
Rh (04:38):
bit less risk than him. And so like, at the end of the day,
we both work really, really hardtogether and challenge each
other. And and I think that, youknow, for me, the why is that,
you know, I wanna wake up everyday and I wanna be challenged
and I wanna face fears and and,you know, take risks in life
that, you know, some people,they live their life. I've got
friends in Idaho who have neverleft Idaho. Like, I can't even
(05:00):
imagine, like, not taking, youknow, opportunities to see the
world and travel and all thesesort of things that we can do in
our life in this, you know, dayand age that we live in.
So I think that too many peoplejust live in their little box
and they're too scared to jumpout of it and try new things.
And And even if you're a motherwith children, I feel like you
still should be giving yourselfchallenges because it's good for
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you mentally as well. So I thinkthat that's important.
Mike VanRyn (05:25):
Yeah. Know, Ree, from the first time you and I
chatted, I think it was on aphone call or on a Zoom quite a
while ago. I could feel yourpassion for life, living life to
the fullest, feel your energy.It's contagious, right? And we
have a lot of listeners outthere that could be going
through some obstacles in theirlife, could be going through
some bad setbacks, but just yourwill to live, your passion for
(05:47):
what you do is just so inspiringfor others.
So I hope our listeners are ableto take that. And whatever
challenges they've got going on,they're able to apply some of
that mindset.
Rh (05:55):
Yeah. And I think it's about setting, like, small goals to
start off with. Sometimes peopletry and set these huge goals
like, oh, I wanna be world rallychampion. Yeah. I'd love to do
that, but how do I get there?
You know what I mean? So I thinkit's about how do we set small
goals first to get you where youneed to be today
Mike VanRyn (06:11):
Yeah.
Rh (06:12):
And then progress to the bigger goals, you know. So I
think that one thing thatpeople, you know, worry about so
much is I need to be in thatplace. Well, how do I get to
that place first? As the manysmall steps along the way. So
even if you've had setbacks likeI have and and today might feel
harder than others or you've gotsome challenges you're facing in
many different ways, if you canjust set yourself small goals
(06:35):
along the way and then progressto the bigger goals as you go, I
think it's a good way to wake upand feel positive in the
morning.
Mike VanRyn (06:42):
Absolutely. Absolutely. In your past past
life, you're a teacher, so Iknow you're passionate about
education. You're passionateabout leadership, mentoring,
coaching. What is OZ Rally Pro?
Tell tell us about that and howit ties in.
Rh (06:54):
Yeah. So I was a school teacher in 02/2010, and then I
took up my racing full time. AndI was actually really missing
teaching. Yeah. And so Irealized that there was a bit of
a gap in the world of rallywhere, you know, the successful
people like myself and myhusband, they weren't giving
back to the sport, you know, andthey weren't really helping to
progress the sport.
So I come up with this idea ofAus Rally Pro to start training
(07:17):
people. And so we started in2013, and Alex and I you know,
it's just Alex and I and our ownlittle small company, and we've
trained over 800 people betweenAmerica and New Zealand and
Australia, which for the rallyindustry, that's a lot of people
because it's not a huge sport.Yeah. And so, you know, we give
back to the the sport in thatway. We do big group sessions of
30 people.
(07:38):
We do one on one trainings, Andit's a really good way to get
people in the, you know, on theright track so they're not doing
the wrong things when they'reracing down a stage at a 100
miles per hour and they don'tknow what they're doing. So it's
really good way from Alex and Ito give back to our sport and
help build it as much as we can.So Aussie Rally Pro is
definitely a passion of mine,and I get to keep teaching that
(08:00):
way. But I get to combine my twopassions of teaching and rally,
which is super cool for me.
Mike VanRyn (08:05):
How cool is that, right? Combining those two
passions and then also givingback. Right? That's huge. Know,
I know Subaru is huge oncommunity and huge on giving
back as well.
Actually, I don't know if yourealize this, but at Team
Ziegler, Subaru is relatively anew franchise for us in the last
five years, but we love ourSubaru teams and our stores, our
Subaru customers, and passionateabout giving back. You know,
(08:28):
talk to us a bit about kinda howyour values tie in with Subaru
and
Rh (08:32):
the Yeah. Mean, it's been great. Subaru, once I started
working with them in 2020,they've now brought me on board.
I attend the Subi Fest. Yeah.
So I get to attend those andshare my passion for rallying.
And I also was at the SubaruSummit last year. So I've been
really able to build a greatworking relationship with Subaru
of America, and and we have thesame core values of, you know,
(08:53):
what we want to achieve, ourpassion and love. And so, you
know, at the Subaru Fest eventswhen I go there, I meet
thousands of people. Yeah.
Yeah. And I get to share, youknow, what my love is of Rally
and their passion for the car.Like, the Subaru, you know,
community and the passion thatthey have for these cars is
(09:13):
nuts. Like, the Travis and Isigning dashes, and we're doing
all I'm like, are you sure youwant us to touch your car? Like
so yeah.
I mean and we've actually got aSubi Fest next week, Travis and
I, that we'll be heading to. Sothere's six of them throughout
America. So, you know, if you'rea listener and you're a Subaru
person, check out Subaru Fest.They're really cool. You can
bring your car out and getTravis Knight to sign the dash
(09:35):
and all those fun things.
Mike VanRyn (09:37):
Well, we're thankful for Subaru and our
partnership there with ZieglerAuto Group and definitely love
our Subaru stores and ourcustomers.
Rh (09:44):
That's cool.
Mike VanRyn (09:44):
They're great customers. And it's neat how
they align and tie in with ourTeam Ziggler values too and with
our culture. So it's really beenneat. And I saw you won the Hanu
Mikola award. Did I say thatright?
Rh (09:56):
The Hannah Mikola award. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I did that
your research.
Mike VanRyn (10:00):
My research. What is what is that? That's through
the ties in with give it back.
Rh (10:03):
Yeah. That was actually pretty cool. So if any of you
heard of the Goodwood Festivalof Speed, it's one of the
biggest festival speeds in theworld. So Travis and I were
there just, you know, in July, Ithink it was actually. And when
we were there, as you would haveseen today, I'm big into giving.
So I gave everyone some goodswag today.
Mike VanRyn (10:20):
Yeah. That that was fantastic. We got extra credit
from our team today. Great.
Rh (10:24):
When went to The UK, I made sure I took swag with me, and I
made sure all the officials werelooked after really well. And
Travis and I made a specialeffort to give back to the fans
and things like that. And we wereally went above and beyond to
communicate with the people overthere and really share our love
for what we do. And and at theend of the day, we were awarded
the Hannah Mikkelar Award, whichwas an incredible, you know,
(10:45):
feeling for us both to havethat. It's now sitting proudly
in my house.
Mike VanRyn (10:49):
That's fantastic. Yeah.
Rh (10:51):
So it pretty special, to be honest.
Mike VanRyn (10:53):
Congratulations on that. You're working in a pretty
male dominated industry, right,your whole life. And we've got a
lot of fantastic leaders acrossteams. A lot of them are female
leaders, right? What messagewould you have to them maybe if
they're dealing with impostersyndrome or maybe they're
dealing with feeling like aminority in a male dominated
(11:15):
industry?
Rh (11:16):
Yeah, a lot of people ask me that question because if you go
to our rally team, in the videostoday, would have seen I'm the
only female there. But for me, Ijust, you know, I try never make
any excuses and I just workreally hard and I prove that I
am the best and that's why I'mthere. So I feel like, you know,
a lot of times people feelthreatened that, you know,
there's only males in theindustry and they can't, you
know, break into that world. Butmy opinion is if you work really
(11:38):
hard and you make no excuses,you will get there regardless
because of how good you are atyour job. Right.
So when on the video at onepoint, Travis said, it's not
because she's a girl. It'sbecause she's the best.
Mike VanRyn (11:48):
She's the Yeah. So Take note of that.
Rh (11:50):
I think that's really important that, you know, it
doesn't matter if I'm male orfemale. Travis has me in the car
because I'm the best. So, youknow, if you are a female and
you're feeling a little bitintimidated by the male
industry, which the car industryreally is in many ways, You
know? But if that's really whatyou wanna do and you're
passionate about, just workreally hard and and you'll get
there just like I have by beinggood at your job and proving
(12:10):
that you should be in thatposition over someone else.
Mike VanRyn (12:13):
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Well said. So well
said.
We kind of share those samebeliefs at Team Ziegler as well.
Rh (12:20):
Yeah. I don't think there's any reason why you can't be
there. You know what I mean? Andand sometimes I I think as a
woman myself, sometimes we setthe boundaries and we say we
can't go past it. But don't beafraid to push those boundaries
and say, well, it doesn't matterif I'm male or female.
If that's where I want to be,that's where I can get if I work
hard and and I push thoseboundaries.
Mike VanRyn (12:40):
Yeah, would definitely agree with you. And I
think about everyone at somepoint in their life has had a
set of imposter syndrome ormaybe a self limiting mindset.
You just have to work hard toovercome it.
Rh (12:51):
Yeah. And I think the self limiting mindset will just hold
you back in every way. So, youknow, trying to set goals and
set challenges for yourself,then you get past those, you
know, and sometimes it'ssomething a comment that someone
made to you and you've taken itthe wrong way or you've taken it
too far. You know what I mean?Whereas I think that, you know,
just keep your mind very clearand focus on your goals and try
(13:13):
and block out the externalthings.
Mike VanRyn (13:15):
Yeah, anytime I have that in my personal life,
for the listeners out there,what I try to do is look at and
focus on gratitude and thinkabout, hey, what do I have in my
life that I can be reallythankful for? Pull those things
out of my mind or actuallyphysically write them down on a
piece of paper and reallyvisualize those things. So
gratitude is just so important.It can maybe take you from that
(13:36):
self limiting mindset or maybethat imposter syndrome to the
positive mindset.
Rh (13:41):
100%. I think gratitude is very, very important. And even
the other day, I think you saw Iwas wearing a T shirt that said
kindness is free. Yeah, that'sright. There's so many things
that I think that we can worktogether on to help build our
collaborating and teams andeverything just by being
positive and nice.
You know what I mean? Like, itdoesn't hurt to come to work
(14:01):
with a smile on your face andmake people feel good about
themselves versus being anegative person. So I feel like
there's so many ways that as anindividual, we can help build
our team and build other peoplearound us to be better as well,
which is really important too.
Mike VanRyn (14:16):
Absolutely. Really well said, Rhee. A couple of
questions to close it out. Ifeel like we could talk for a
couple of hours together here.This has been fun.
Talk to us, you know, you're theco driver, and the word that
keeps coming up in my mind asyou're explaining your job and
your role is preparation. Talkto us about preparation, how it
goes into your role, and thenalso how we can tie that in
maybe with our customers Yeah.At Team Ziegler.
Rh (14:38):
I mean, preparation, think, is key in any role in any
industry. So if Travis and Idon't prepare well enough in our
industry, we could die. So it'spretty crazy to think that you
know? So preparation is keyfrom, you know, when I'm at home
studying the maps to when I'mstudying the notes from previous
years to the videos, like, thecountless hours I put in before
(14:59):
I actually arrive to a event.Like, people just see me calling
notes in the stages, and they'rejust like, oh, you know, how do
you get there and how do you beso good and how do you do this
and that?
Well, it takes countless hoursof preparation, you know, in in
building the success that I'vebeen able to achieve. But
there's also so many other wordsthat I use, like multitasking.
Like, not only do you have to beprepared, you'd be have to be
(15:21):
able to multitask along the way.So be doing, you know, three
different jobs at once. And evenat Ziegler, like, you've got you
know, you're preparing the bestyou can for the customers you're
dealing with and and how you setthem up for success with their
car and things like that.
But also, like, at the sametime, you know, there's so many
different multitasking going on.You know, you've got this
(15:41):
customer over here that needsthis and this customer. So I
think that if you can build agood group of values and and
core ways that you move throughyour life, it makes it, you
know, your job a lot easierbecause you can give yourself
standards of how you go aboutthings every day.
Mike VanRyn (15:56):
Yeah. And also, if we're preparing what we do at
Team Ziglar for our customers inany role in the organization, it
shows that we're professional.100%. We value our customers'
time, and we care about them.
Rh (16:09):
Yeah. And I think as a customer, like, they wanna be
felt cared about. Yeah. It'sreally important. So I think
that, you know, if you canreally and and for me, one of
the biggest things that I'm ahappy person, but I think that
if someone enters a room andyou've got a smile on your face,
it can change their day.
And so, like, I feel like somepeople let themselves down
because they just don't havethat right attitude on their
(16:32):
body language and thingsalready. So, you know, if I can
give people one piece of advice,even if you're having the
crappiest day, if you can put asmile on your face and that
customer walks in or whoeveryou're dealing with and you just
changed how they felt aboutthemselves on that day, you may
have just given yourself acustomer for life So, purely
because of your I think thatthat's key to success as well.
Mike VanRyn (16:54):
So well said. And you can do that in any role in
any organisation, right? Yep.That has customers. And you can
even do it over the phone.
Rh (17:00):
100%.
Mike VanRyn (17:01):
I think customers can hear the smile over the
phone.
Rh (17:04):
100%.
Mike VanRyn (17:05):
So big. A couple last questions. We got to get
into Travis Pastrana a littlebit here, because I grew up I
watching grew up watching him,you know? Huge fan. But what
makes the two of you complementeach other so well?
You're a dominating force andyou both have strengths,
weaknesses. Right? But whatmakes you so good together as a
(17:25):
team? Teamwork, there's trust.Right?
Talk to us about that.
Rh (17:29):
Yeah. I think that we're both very, very hard workers. A
lot of people just see Travis,and they just think he's crazy.
But he, you know, he looks atrisk and he assesses it, and he
works out what's the safest wayto achieve what he wants to
achieve. So I I mean, he willwork just as hard as I, you
know, push him.
And so what I love about workingwith people like that is they
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don't give up. They just work ashard as you do, and they wanna
challenge you as well. So I havebecome a better co driver from
working with Travis too becausewe get to the end of the stage.
And even if we've won the stage,we're both so determined and
we're so, you know, committed towhat we're doing and
competitive, obviously, thatwe're always like, how could we
have been better? What could wehave done better in there?
(18:11):
And so it's actually made bothof us better as a team, and it's
challenged our our service crewand things as well because, you
know, we're all expecting betterfrom each other. So it's raised
the team as a whole, you know,and the running joke is I might
be the only girl in the team,but I'm the boss of the
Mike VanRyn (18:28):
team. So so That's fantastic.
Rh (18:31):
So I think that, you know, if you're hardworking and you
can challenge each other, it'sgonna be key to anyone for their
success. And and look, if it'snot working, maybe the teammate
that you're dealing with at thebusiness, maybe there's
challenges with differentpersonality types and things
like that. But I think that youcan always work around it if
you're willing to push eachother and challenge each other
and and try and be the best youcan be.
Mike VanRyn (18:53):
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And what's a common
myth about Travis that maybelisteners might not know or or
maybe something interestingabout Travis that the listeners
might not know.
Rh (19:03):
There's actually a funny X-ray of his body going around
at the moment.
Mike VanRyn (19:07):
Have you seen it? I haven't seen it.
Rh (19:08):
Oh my gosh. It's online, and it's supposedly Travis's X-ray
of his body. Okay. But it's not.
Mike VanRyn (19:14):
It's actually not. Okay.
Rh (19:15):
See that? Yes. He is very broken, and he has a lot of
things going on. But one of thefunniest things is, like, I've
broken both my femurs in aracing crest, but Travis hasn't
broken a femur. So on thatX-ray, there's, like, rods in
his femurs.
He's like, nope. That's not me.
Mike VanRyn (19:28):
So me.
Rh (19:28):
So if you have seen that, it was going viral. It's definitely
going viral. And everyone'slike, this is Travis's scans.
He's like, no. It's not.
Mike VanRyn (19:35):
So That's funny. So so one of them. He broke both
your femurs.
Rh (19:38):
Yeah. Yeah. I got him. So and and and I have a broken
fibula that I live with. So hehe loves saying, Rick, come over
here.
It's a party trick. Show himyour fibula. And I'm like,
Travis, really? So it's it'salways fun and I'll be at
Pastorrano Land next week. Sowish me luck.
Hopefully, I survive Well,
Mike VanRyn (19:55):
we'll pray for you.
Rh (19:56):
Thanks for me.
Mike VanRyn (19:57):
That's great. Well well, let's end it let's end it
on a funny story. You're tellingus your husband, Alex,
obviously, is a professionalrally co driver too. How cool is
that? And then you're telling afunny story about he's at
Pastranaland.
Right? And what did he do?
Rh (20:13):
Well, Alex is actually he takes risks in the rally car.
Mike VanRyn (20:16):
Okay. Okay.
Rh (20:17):
But day to day life, he's very, you know, conservative,
would say. He's careful in whathe does. And so next second, see
the pink barbie car that you mayhave seen in Nightmare
Mike VanRyn (20:28):
Oh, I've seen it.
Rh (20:29):
And I see my husband in it. And I'm like, what has Travis
got Alex doing? And next second,Alex goes Travis is, like,
waving. He's okay, Reid. AndAlex goes flying down the ramp
and into the foam pit, and hejust thought it was the best
ever.
And I'm like, the things thatTravis convinces us to do. So I
was a little bit nervous, but hethought it was great. And I
didn't think I'd ever see thathappen. So if you ever get the
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chance to go to Pastoralant, becareful
Mike VanRyn (20:53):
what That's you wish right.
Rh (20:54):
That's right. Be careful what you wish for. And be
prepared that you definitely mayleave with some sort of broken
bone if you're not careful.
Mike VanRyn (21:02):
Gotta be up for the challenge, right?
Rh (21:04):
Definitely. You need to be up for the challenge. Otherwise,
Travis will definitely just pushyou.
Mike VanRyn (21:09):
That's awesome. Well, Rhiannon and Gelcimino,
congrats on your success. Weappreciate you genuinely here at
Team Ziggler for investing yourtime with us. Amazing job today.
And if listeners wanna find outmore about you, how do they how
do they find out more about you?
Rh (21:23):
Yeah. I mean, if they wanna follow me on Instagram, it's at
rianna and julcimino. That'swhere I post a lot of stuff. I I
am very active on social media.So feel free to do that.
There's also a really coolYouTube video on me, stories of
survival, which you'll find onchannel 199, which is Travis's
YouTube page. That tells a goodstory about my life as well. So
(21:44):
yeah, Facebook, Instagram,YouTube, check it out and call
Emma.
Mike VanRyn (21:49):
Congrats on your success and we appreciate you
and your, just heart and passionfor people and giving back.
Rh (21:54):
Thank you.
Sam Darc (21:57):
Special thanks to all who contributed to this week's
podcast. Until next week, howare you driving vision today?
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