July 29, 2024 • 25 mins
Zeigler-sponsored Nascar driver, Carson Hocevar joins the podcast this week to discuss the race at Indianapolis, expectations for the remainder of this Nascar season, the heated Rookie of the Year contest, and Carson's take on social media chatter.
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Carson Hocevar (00:05):
She can feel how powerful the Michigan presence
is, how powerful team Ziegleris. We wanna run very, very well
for the people that allow us togo have fun.
Sam DArc (00:16):
Welcome everyone to the Driving Vision podcast
brought to you by the ZiglerAuto Group. And here with me,
auto group director of talentdevelopment, Mike Van Ryn.
Welcome, Mike. Hey. Thanks, Sam.
Be sure to subscribe to thepodcast. Like it if you do, and
leave a comment. Coming up thisepisode, I sit down with Ziegler
sponsored NASCAR driver, CarsonHusavar, about his race at
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Indianapolis, the heatedcompetition for rookie of the
year, and Carson's opinion onsocial media haters. So, hey,
everybody. With me today isNASCAR race car driver Speier
Ziegler sponsored driver, CarsonHocevar.
Carson, welcome back to theshow.
Carson Hocevar (00:54):
Yeah. Thanks, Sam. I appreciate it. Always
love coming on here and talkingto Clem Zigler.
Sam DArc (00:58):
It's been so much fun during this season to have you
on from time to time and justget your insights and kind of
the update on the season. Sothis past Sunday, today's, what,
Tuesday, so just a couple daysago, you raced the ziegler.com
car at the famous, world famousIndianapolis Raceway, and we
were there. Aaron was there. Wehad a big contingent from team
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Ziegler there. First off, it wasyour first experience racing at
Indianapolis as a cup driver,but not your first experience
there.
You pointed out a place that youhad raced before. Tell us a
little bit about your historywith Indy.
Carson Hocevar (01:34):
It showed that without actually physically
being able to see it, but wewere up top, top of the pagoda,
which is a great view of theracetrack. But what you could
see that not a lot of peoplecould is you could see the
parking lot right behind thesuites, which is not normally
what you'd look at. We don'tknow what the except from over
above, and you could see arubber outline of a big circle.
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And that was the quartermidgetrack where kids would race
from ages 5 to 16. They wouldrace it.
I grew up racing there foryears, in the actual in the, you
know, Indianapolis MotorSpeedway right in the parking
lot. You have 300 to 500families which show up with
their cars and kids, and goracing, and I raced there for
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years, growing up and had a lotof fun. And, when you'd win, you
it would be a big deal. You gothe brick yard or you go to line
and take pictures. You know,then you get the milk and
everything.
It's 6 years old or better than10 years old or whatever age you
know, you were, you'd bedrinking the milk if you won
that race. So they're supercool, but, we did one lap around
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the whole Indianapolis MotorSpeedway. They they lined up all
the kids, all 400 kids on thefront shirt and pushed us all
off. So going into the weekend,I had one lap of experience, but
I think that was the coolestmoment was sitting up on top of
the pagoda and seeing therubber. And it wasn't even just
the fresh rubbers because theyraced a few months ago or a few
weeks ago.
It was seeing the old rubberthat was still there that I've
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been very much remember, thevery, very faded rubber that
when they moved the rates trackright after I retired a little
bit left, you could still seethe remit of, you know, where I
actually was racing not too longago.
Sam DArc (03:15):
That's cool. You know, part of our guests, there were a
couple of executives from SubaruAmerica, and they talked about
their experience atIndianapolis. And it really does
seem like that track is not onlyhistoric, but it's family
centric. So he talked aboutbacking up to the track 30, 40,
50 years ago in a truck andwatching a race out of his
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tailgate before the track hadbeen built up. So it was
meaningful to him in in a verydifferent way from you, but
still that connection issimilar.
What did it mean to you? Whatdoes it mean to you to come back
and drive the cup series foryour debut in that ziegler.com
car, 2 days ago?
Carson Hocevar (03:55):
Oh, it's huge. You know, ever since racing
there as a kid. Right? You know,I've always dreamt of actually
drinking the milk in real lifeor at least racing, you know,
not just in the infield parkinglot, racing in the actual
racetrack. So the first laps,the first few laps of practice,
I was sitting there smiling thewhole time.
And I think that's why we're sofast was I wasn't thinking about
you know, I don't I wanna takecare of the car, and I wanna
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manage it. And it's onlypractice. It was, man, this is
the most fun and and, like, bestracetrack I've dreamt for years
years. And I've dreamt the Indy500 and and and everything. I've
been there.
But, you know, this is thereturn of the Brickyard 400 to a
fairly even more special justbeing that, you know, we haven't
got to watch it. You know? Wehaven't got to watch it, and I
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get to now experience it thefirst time way everybody else is
experiencing it again for thelast few years. So I was just
smiling the whole time, and wewere one of the fastest guys at
the start of the day justbecause I wanted to see how fast
I could go just at that place.
Sam DArc (04:50):
Well, it was amazing because we watched you that
race. So whether on Pit Road forthe for the for the launch, the
national anthem and whatnot, orup in the pagoda suite, which
has an incredible 360 degreeview. It was amazing. And you
had a really good race. Like,you had, was it 1 or 2 laps in
the lead spot for a little bit?
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Yeah? Tell us about that.
Carson Hocevar (05:12):
Yeah. We we took a lap or 2 just without the
strategy and everything, but,but it was fun to just be in the
top 5, and we were running 5thor 6 there for a quite a while,
and, just always sort of in thetop 15 to 10, and and the
strategy kept flipping. And,unfortunately, for us, you know,
we're almost a little bump from12th because of how much was
available there at the end onfuel strategy. So we were 1st or
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second of the most fuel. Thenext batch that was gonna run
out were all in front of us.
So if that had one more restart,we were gonna be lining up on
the front row for a shot becausewe were the next 2 best on on
fuel. So unfortunately, itwasn't like natural, and it it
didn't just keep going so wecould cycle the lead. But, you
know, a lot of guys, the secondyellow came out, they ran out of
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fuel and then we're able tocoast it. You know, we would be
able to sneak a few more spots,but to still run 12th in the
ziegler.comchevy, you know,first every time there, we were,
the best fire finish, which isobviously great for our bunch to
be able to lead the chargeagain. But it was super big to
just leave there.
Number 1, we're, you know, wehad so many people there. You
know, obviously, Aaron and alland we had 25 representatives of
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team Ziegler, but a lot ofpeople are watching. It's a
crown jewel event, but also toofor us as a race team, we're
heading into 2 weeks throughalmost 3, with the Olympic break
here that, you know, we can sithere smiling for the next few
off weeks and be excited thatthere's more left on the table
for us in the next few weeks.
Sam DArc (06:37):
Yeah. It was interesting, Carson. One more
lap. Had it gone just one morelap and and you easily would
have been right there on thefront line because of the fuel
situation. Everyone in overtimebasically run out of gas.
Right? You had a couple driversrun out of gas basically, in
front of you and around you.
Carson Hocevar (06:54):
Yeah. Yeah. When the so the yellow came out right
off of turn 2 for the whiteflag, and, you know, you can
hear people sputtering through 3and 4 and down the front
stretch. And luckily, for them,they had enough speed to just
carry the momentum. Like, youknow, if it was under green
conditions, we were gonna passthem all.
But under yellow, they couldjust maintain enough pace under
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yellow that they could coast.And if under green, it wouldn't
matter if you could coast ornot, you know, we would have
been able to sneak right aroundthem and for sure been in the
top ten, almost top 5 there. Butjust to be able to put ourselves
in a really good spot there, itwas tough to pass, you know,
really, really tough. But to toposition ourselves with strategy
and a constant variable changeof yellows and not yellows and
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people changing and when to takefuel, when not to do, or when to
take tires to for us to be ableto put ourselves in that spot.
You know, when good luck findsour way, you know, we're gonna
be in a really good spot to tocapitalize for that opportunity.
And I think that's what we'redoing every week right now is
just putting ourselves in thepossibility that if the
opportunity comes, we cancapitalize upfront, just waiting
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on lady like to just strike usone time.
Sam DArc (08:01):
So I think a lot of team Ziggler would be super
interested to know what it'slike to be in a car when there's
an accident unfolding in frontof you. And you you had a couple
instances in the final few somany laps of the race where, a
wreck happened in front of youand you're able to navigate
around it. What's that likebeing a driver in a fast car?
And all of a sudden, you'regoing from speed and wanting to
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pass to all the you you need toavoid this wreck.
Carson Hocevar (08:29):
I mean, normally, I'm really good at
analogies, but I don't know ifthere's a good analogy for it.
I'm probably the I'm probablythe worst at describing this in
that moment because I I don'teven know what I do is to think.
Sam DArc (08:40):
Yeah. You know, I'm It's muscle memory probably.
Carson Hocevar (08:42):
Yeah. Well, no. It's it's it's even more than
that. It's just you're doing offinstinct. You're not thinking
about it.
It's going off instinct. If Irelied on what I could process
in my head and think about itand then process it and then do
it. I'd be in the crash before Icould even put out, you know,
one word in my head. You know,muscle memory of knowing
exactly, you know, what you'rereading with your eyes and not
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even thinking. It's justreacting.
It's a 100% reaction time. And,you know, I think that's why I
would be a horrible coach atteaching, how to try being it.
Like, a lot of it's, and andeven the TV booth, I was
rewatching practice and theysaid it, and I thought it was a
biggest compliment I could dois, you know, I'm not and land I
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don't even know how to say theword, but, like, you know, I'm
not data driven on how I drive arace car fast. I just react,
feel it, and then, you know,just do it. You know, I don't
have brake markers.
I don't have I don't havemarkers. I just do what it
feels. You know, we come to pitroad, everybody kind of has
their marker. I'm like, I don'tknow. I just kind of come off
pit road and I shift shift downwhen I think and I hit the brake
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when I think I'm gonna run outof time and and a lot of times
Sam DArc (09:49):
You have a feel for the car. Yeah.
Carson Hocevar (09:51):
And a lot of times my pit entries are the
fastest. So the biggest thing Icould say is what I've, you
know, taken over the years andand even just this year, it's
not washing the car that'swrecking. The car that wreck
that's wrecking is the easiestto know where it's gonna go. A
lot of time, you know, like inIndia, the forward progression,
they're gonna take it to thetop. And so when they spin,
they're gonna spin up becausethey're gonna spin backwards and
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then then they're gonna go backup the racetrack, especially a
flat track.
A bank track's a littledifferent, but a flat track, all
that speed's gotta go somewhere.And the second they're spun
around, they're gonna back upand slide up and, because
there's no banking to catch themand they're gonna spin into the
wall. So you kinda know thatwhat spins down probably is
gonna come back up, but thebiggest thing is I'm more
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reacting to the cars reacting tothe wreck. They're the ones not
thinking if there's a guyoutside of me inside. A lot of
times you get involved in acrash because somebody spawn
avoiding or somebody's avoidingor somebody was trying to speed
pass the wreck and then hit youfrom behind.
So a lot of times, you know, I'mnot watching the guys that are
wrecking. It's I'm watching theguys looking left, looking right
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to see where the guys reactingto the crash or the guys that
didn't miss the crash that getsfun. That's a lot of times what,
can really bite you is, youknow, when you're focused on 1
guy and maybe there's 20, 30guys behind you that are
reacting to the same guy, a lotof times you're not gonna zig
when they zag and everything.And and especially too when
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they're on the outside, theyhave to go left. If you're if
you think you're gonna missthem, well, if you have a guy
next to you, he's panickingbecause you're good, but he's
not he's in the right seat.
You just always have to havethat perspective of where
everybody else is gonna reactand how they're gonna react. And
a lot of times, like, at a superspeedway, there's a reason,
like, you see a crash, youalmost just stop, or you just
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try and get all the way to theinside because there's you know,
you're at super speedway, thestraightaways are super wide and
everything. You just try andslow down and react because, you
know, you're tucked up behindpeople, especially on restarts.
Some of these guys behind youmight not even see the wreck
because they got cars in frontof them, and it's tough to tell.
You know?
A long story short, that'sthat's probably the best way of
if you're just you're not evenwatching the guy crashing most
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of the time. You kinda can guesswhere he's gonna go the second
he's done or second he startscrashing. It's just reacting to
the others around that mightmiss it or might hit you
avoiding or might get involvedthat then once you get past,
you're like, oh, I'm clear. Andthen another car comes spinning.
Sam DArc (12:17):
It is fun talking to you and asking you questions
about your thought processduring a race, because you very
clearly are able to visualizeand see it in your head after,
during. And I think even beforeyou anticipate it, and that's a
great skillset for anyone inbusiness as well. So at the
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Zigler Auto Group, our missionstatement is our family
delivering your family, theultimate automotive experience.
And our team members,salespeople, and technicians and
folks in the office andeverywhere throughout the auto
group, they're constantlyworking to deliver that great
experience. And they the best ofus do it in a very similar way
to how you do.
You they think it through.They're very contemplative. And
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they may not be able to like,describe it in the moment
perfectly, but they're thinkingit through. How do I do better?
How do I improve?
What, you know, how do I have aconversation with a customer? So
I connect with them and, and ina way that, that, that is unique
and unusual. So I want to askyou one question and I can pull
this out if you don't want this,but, but I'm going to ask it
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anyway. It's interesting becauseafter the past couple of races,
there's drama. Right?
You hear drama, and NASCAR hasdrama, and you are a rookie,
highly ranked. I haven't evenlooked. Are you at the top right
now on the rookie standing afterthe finish? Because
Carson Hocevar (13:37):
We're almost tied. We're, like, 5 points
straight behind. Okay. We'd bewe'd be ahead without the
penalty, but we're Yeah. Withour penalty, we're right there.
Sam DArc (13:45):
Yeah. So anytime, any any we know this in our world.
Anytime anybody does reallywell, you you get more exposure,
you get more criticism. Peopletake potshots. I was watching
the post race coverage fromIndia and I'm like, it was like
some of the people were watchinga different race than I was
watching.
How do you deal with some ofthat negative and critical
feedback and just continue tofocus on what you do, which has
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raised so well.
Carson Hocevar (14:08):
Yeah. I mean, if you ask my dad, he doesn't
understand social media verywell. So he gets one bad review
or one bad sees one bad thing.You you would think Yeah. You
burned out It's everywhere.
Ever. Yeah. But, for me, I'veI've known this for a long time.
Right? You you're in the publiceye.
You know? People can do there'sthere's nothing stopping anybody
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from saying anything. Andtruthfully, in in my mind, I've
put the perspective of 2 to4000000 people watch. Right? And
a lot of times, you'll see thecomments.
It's not more than a 100 to 200.Maybe 20 of them are good or
maybe 20 of them are bad. Youknow, it just depends on the
synopsis. But truthfully, Imean, it's a minority of people
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that are actually walking. And alot of times, I don't, you know,
I don't go to a restaurant and Idon't think of, oh, I'm gonna
give this great review.
Man, I was pumped of of thisservice and everything, but I
feel like it's just negativeit's just very human nature to
to be very passionate aboutnegative. So I think that's
what's my perspective of it too,but also it's just it's just
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racing at the same time. Youknow? Nobody knows the
situation. There's there's soyou know, from the TV camera
blimp, from the TV camera,depending on the angle and and
you look at my in car, I mean,there's so many different
perspectives that show adifferent picture too.
And racing is probably thetoughest to judge. Right? It's
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so different than, you
Sam DArc (15:38):
know Perspective.
Carson Hocevar (15:39):
Somebody's eventually throughout life,
somebody's throwing a baseball.Somebody's caught a baseball.
Somebody's thrown a football.Throughout life, eventually,
you've done almost every sportwhether young or old. Not
everybody can drive a race caror can say they've drove a race
car at any time at anycompetitive nature.
So it's the hardest thing tojudge and know and feel and and
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and smell. And and and sometimesthere's a disconnect for that,
but I think that's why thesport's so loved and sometimes
why it's so passionate isbecause you do have very wide
spectrums of opinion sometimes.
Sam DArc (16:12):
Well, it's been exciting to watch you this
season. It's been exciting tosee the exposure that you've
had, And it's also been excitingas young as you are to see the
class with which you handle itand how competitive you are. You
want to win, and you areunwilling to accept anything but
winning. And anybody can saywhat they wanna say, but you are
committed to this sport and toyour art, which is which is
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driving. And and and it's justit's been a heck of a lot of fun
to watch.
So 5 points, rookie, you've got2 weeks off. Right? And then you
go back to the track and therace continues. It's gonna be
exciting. And the entire teamZiegler is pulling for you.
Our next race with you is August7th at the Berlin Raceway. You
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were there several weeks ago.You're coming back. Tell us
about what you expect, atBerlin. It's not a NASCAR Cup
Series race.
It's it's off that track, butyou've got an front of your
Michigan Western Michigan fansthere. Yeah. You know, we
obviously got to the shot in inthe spring, early summer
Carson Hocevar (17:16):
to to go do that, which is a lot of fun.
Aaron was even able to come in,and it was great to see all the
Zigler folks, up in turn 1 atthe tent, but also 2, you were
able to start on the front row,lead a ton of laps, which was
great for us, and and, you know,be able to run a late model.
This is what I grew up doing.For those that don't know is I
grew up rating late models,which is like, man, I don't even
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know college ball. Maybe in inbaseball terms, I try to think
of it like that.
You know, maybe that's, but it'sit's, you know, where I grew up
at the home track that I got myfirst win at 13, on the NASCAR
level circuit. It's the NASCARlocal short track group, you
know, series type of deal, soit's gonna be fun to be able to
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do that in the team's Zigglercolors. You know, it looks very,
very similar to the cup car,intentionally. It has a 71 on it
just because it's my team that Idrove with. No connection to the
71 Spire car.
It's a funny coincidence, but, Idrove that 71 car for TK racing
when I was growing up and won alot of big events that put me
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onto the main stage of NASCAR.So be able to come back there
with the teams at good colorsand have a lot of people out
there would be fun.
Sam DArc (18:29):
And in fact, we're trying to put something
together. It's in the earlystages right now. We're pivoting
quick, but we may be able tooffer some fans the opportunity
to ride with you around thattrack. So we've got the
ziegler.comwrapped Camaro. It'sa late model actual Chevy
Camaro.
And, we're gonna actually try toput you with a a couple of few
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lucky people and take laps outthere. We we're working with
Jeff Schriegel and some othersto see if that happens, but
that'll be an excitingopportunity. And listen,
whatever it takes, I want atleast a lap, Carson. Come on. I
wanna be with you in a car as wego around a raceway and see your
perspective.
So if we can make that happen,that that will be a lot of fun.
And then after Berlin, Next upis MIS. So team Ziegler comes
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home August 18th here inMichigan. What does it mean?
Like you're so close to yourfootprint in Indianapolis and
then Chicago before it.
Now you actually come home toyour home state. What does it
mean to you to come back to MISand drive a cup car at MIS?
Carson Hocevar (19:29):
Yeah. I mean, it's super cool. I got to run
there the first time. And lastyear in the expanded car, it was
so cool to see how many friendsand family that could come. And
but also too, I think it's soperfect.
Right? I mean, this is why this,you know, merge of Ziegler and
myself and and in this raceprogram works so well is when I
come home, it's it's coming hometo team Ziegler as well. It it
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works out perfect. It's such aperfect mix of being able to do
things like Berlin, but also dothings like the big track in MIS
and being able to have those twodates really close together, I
think symbolizes from the shorttracks to the big track, you
know, what teams in there cando, but also, that we can, try
and compete at every level. Sothat's super cool, and I'm
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excited to just go home.
And, there's a lot ofselfishness of me to wanna run
really, really good, atMichigan, but also too, I think
my team. Yeah. There's not ahome field advantage in racing
really ever, but, I think, the r77 bunch can feel how powerful
the Michigan presence is, howpowerful team Ziegler is. You
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know, we wanna run very, verywell for for the people that
allow us to go have fun andallow us to do our day job every
week, and, I think they they areworking really, really hard to
make sure Michigan's a big onefor us.
Sam DArc (20:45):
And then after that, drive for life, it's Ziglar Auto
Group's annual charity event.You'll be with us September 23rd
here in Kalamazoo, Michigan aswe raise money for charity. You
helped us already at the,Portage tornado relief event.
Raised a lot of money that goesback to benefit people that were
impacted by the tornado. Andthen this night, our record year
was over $2,000,000 hauled in acouple years ago.
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It's always fun to raise moneyfor charity and have a great
experience. So, you we'reexcited to have you part of
that. Last couple questions.Take us behind the scenes, if
you would, at Indianapolis.People wanna know what is
something that most peoplewouldn't know about your
experience this past weekend atIndianapolis, this iconic
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raceway.
What's something that most mightsurprise most people to learn
about that racetrack or thatrace experience as a driver?
Carson Hocevar (21:38):
I mean, just a a lot of little things. It's the
joke of, you know, how you youwatch a LeBron. You know, he's
getting starstruck over, youknow, a famous, you know,
football player, you know, orfamous, you know, from other
countries or whatever. You know,it's it's like watching
celebrities get excited overthis f one craze or, you know,
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even tough drivers. You know,it's watching celebrities be
excited.
I think the biggest thing for usis we all go in there like we're
kids, you know, for the firsttime, and we appreciate so much
the racetrack. Like, we are fansof the racetrack, which I don't
think there's a single racetrackon the schedule almost that has
the drivers racing it. There'sour fans of the place and the
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fans of being there. You know,it's not really like the behind
the scenes, but I just thinkit's it's how much every driver
appreciates that racetrack. It'syou know, it could be the most
boringest race, single file,nobody passes.
It could be the most boringestrace, and I think every single
driver down the line would isloving it and excited to go back
regardless, you know, maybethey're not happy with the
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finish, but by Monday, they'reexcited to go back in the second
the next time they're gettingprepared. They're gonna work
that much harder. So I thinkthat's the biggest thing. Yeah.
The facility just got a tonbetter, obviously, with Roger
Penske.
He's he's as clean-cut as youcould imagine and and just wants
everything picture perfect. And,you you walk up to the pagoda,
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you see his parking spot rightthere, right in front with, you
know, with his car andeverything. But, I remember when
I was a kid growing there, and,you know, it wasn't the nicest
of facilities inside the trackper se, and it's just gorgeous
now. Every bathroom isbeautiful. Every rush every
concession stand, every everylittle knickknack you go is is
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picture perfect of what you'dexpect that facility look like.
Beautiful and everything. Andand crazy enough, a lot of
people I didn't realize I didn'trealize they play golf during
the weekend. I thought Isn't
Sam DArc (23:36):
that crazy? Yeah.
Carson Hocevar (23:38):
I realized they play golf during the weekend,
and it is like years in advance,like, wait list that people
specifically come to only playone weekend, and that it's
during the all the cars are out.They wanna play around the golf,
which I thought was super coolas well. I didn't real I never
realized that they have the golfcourse open during our race
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weekend.
Sam DArc (24:00):
That was crazy. They had 4 holes as I as I saw it on
the inside of the track, whichis which makes it not only an
iconic raceway, but an iconicgolf course, I would suppose, as
well. So heck heck of a lot offun. What what's the one meal
you eat before you jumped intothe race car at Indianapolis?
That might be something mostpeople don't know.
Carson Hocevar (24:21):
Oh, I mean, it's it's not the meal I want to eat.
It's the meal I have to eat freerange.
Sam DArc (24:26):
Performance. Yeah.
Carson Hocevar (24:28):
Yes. It's, you know, just chicken or rice, a
little bit of salads, maybe somecucumbers and eggs, you know,
you know,
Sam DArc (24:35):
probably some fair for you. We've heard that before. I
love it. That's awesome. You'reconsistent then.
You have a process. Right?
Carson Hocevar (24:41):
Yeah. It's not not very fun, but I just do the
same thing every week. And, I'mvery routine based. So just,
like, once I find something thatworks, I just stick with it, and
Sam DArc (24:50):
I just help
Carson Hocevar (24:51):
veer off the path.
Sam DArc (24:53):
So I just Also a similarity between you and the
Ziegler Auto Group. Right? Soour best performers find that
routine, and you repeat thatroutine over, and then you learn
how to improvise and becomebetter at it. Right? That's the
importance of routine.
Carson Hocevar (25:04):
That's exactly it.
Sam DArc (25:05):
That's awesome. Well, Carson, host of art, it's
exciting to have you here.Thanks for sharing some time
with us, this week. We're,congrats on your, great
performance and great finish atthe Indianapolis Raceway. We
look forward to seeing you inBerlin on August 7th and then
MIS shortly behind that andultimately at Drive For Life,
September 23rd.
Thank you, Carson.
Carson Hocevar (25:25):
Thank you, Sam. Appreciate it.
Sam DArc (25:29):
A big thanks to Carson Hocevar for contributing to this
week's episode. Until next week,how are you driving vision
Carson Hocevar (25:39):
today?
She can feel how powerful the Michigan presence
is, how powerful team Ziegleris. We wanna run very, very well
for the people that allow us togo have fun.
Sam DArc (00:16):
Welcome everyone to the Driving Vision podcast
brought to you by the ZiglerAuto Group. And here with me,
auto group director of talentdevelopment, Mike Van Ryn.
Welcome, Mike. Hey. Thanks, Sam.
Be sure to subscribe to thepodcast. Like it if you do, and
leave a comment. Coming up thisepisode, I sit down with Ziegler
sponsored NASCAR driver, CarsonHusavar, about his race at
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Indianapolis, the heatedcompetition for rookie of the
year, and Carson's opinion onsocial media haters. So, hey,
everybody. With me today isNASCAR race car driver Speier
Ziegler sponsored driver, CarsonHocevar.
Carson, welcome back to theshow.
Carson Hocevar (00:54):
Yeah. Thanks, Sam. I appreciate it. Always
love coming on here and talkingto Clem Zigler.
Sam DArc (00:58):
It's been so much fun during this season to have you
on from time to time and justget your insights and kind of
the update on the season. Sothis past Sunday, today's, what,
Tuesday, so just a couple daysago, you raced the ziegler.com
car at the famous, world famousIndianapolis Raceway, and we
were there. Aaron was there. Wehad a big contingent from team
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Ziegler there. First off, it wasyour first experience racing at
Indianapolis as a cup driver,but not your first experience
there.
You pointed out a place that youhad raced before. Tell us a
little bit about your historywith Indy.
Carson Hocevar (01:34):
It showed that without actually physically
being able to see it, but wewere up top, top of the pagoda,
which is a great view of theracetrack. But what you could
see that not a lot of peoplecould is you could see the
parking lot right behind thesuites, which is not normally
what you'd look at. We don'tknow what the except from over
above, and you could see arubber outline of a big circle.
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And that was the quartermidgetrack where kids would race
from ages 5 to 16. They wouldrace it.
I grew up racing there foryears, in the actual in the, you
know, Indianapolis MotorSpeedway right in the parking
lot. You have 300 to 500families which show up with
their cars and kids, and goracing, and I raced there for
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years, growing up and had a lotof fun. And, when you'd win, you
it would be a big deal. You gothe brick yard or you go to line
and take pictures. You know,then you get the milk and
everything.
It's 6 years old or better than10 years old or whatever age you
know, you were, you'd bedrinking the milk if you won
that race. So they're supercool, but, we did one lap around
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the whole Indianapolis MotorSpeedway. They they lined up all
the kids, all 400 kids on thefront shirt and pushed us all
off. So going into the weekend,I had one lap of experience, but
I think that was the coolestmoment was sitting up on top of
the pagoda and seeing therubber. And it wasn't even just
the fresh rubbers because theyraced a few months ago or a few
weeks ago.
It was seeing the old rubberthat was still there that I've
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been very much remember, thevery, very faded rubber that
when they moved the rates trackright after I retired a little
bit left, you could still seethe remit of, you know, where I
actually was racing not too longago.
Sam DArc (03:15):
That's cool. You know, part of our guests, there were a
couple of executives from SubaruAmerica, and they talked about
their experience atIndianapolis. And it really does
seem like that track is not onlyhistoric, but it's family
centric. So he talked aboutbacking up to the track 30, 40,
50 years ago in a truck andwatching a race out of his
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tailgate before the track hadbeen built up. So it was
meaningful to him in in a verydifferent way from you, but
still that connection issimilar.
What did it mean to you? Whatdoes it mean to you to come back
and drive the cup series foryour debut in that ziegler.com
car, 2 days ago?
Carson Hocevar (03:55):
Oh, it's huge. You know, ever since racing
there as a kid. Right? You know,I've always dreamt of actually
drinking the milk in real lifeor at least racing, you know,
not just in the infield parkinglot, racing in the actual
racetrack. So the first laps,the first few laps of practice,
I was sitting there smiling thewhole time.
And I think that's why we're sofast was I wasn't thinking about
you know, I don't I wanna takecare of the car, and I wanna
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manage it. And it's onlypractice. It was, man, this is
the most fun and and, like, bestracetrack I've dreamt for years
years. And I've dreamt the Indy500 and and and everything. I've
been there.
But, you know, this is thereturn of the Brickyard 400 to a
fairly even more special justbeing that, you know, we haven't
got to watch it. You know? Wehaven't got to watch it, and I
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get to now experience it thefirst time way everybody else is
experiencing it again for thelast few years. So I was just
smiling the whole time, and wewere one of the fastest guys at
the start of the day justbecause I wanted to see how fast
I could go just at that place.
Sam DArc (04:50):
Well, it was amazing because we watched you that
race. So whether on Pit Road forthe for the for the launch, the
national anthem and whatnot, orup in the pagoda suite, which
has an incredible 360 degreeview. It was amazing. And you
had a really good race. Like,you had, was it 1 or 2 laps in
the lead spot for a little bit?
(05:10):
Yeah? Tell us about that.
Carson Hocevar (05:12):
Yeah. We we took a lap or 2 just without the
strategy and everything, but,but it was fun to just be in the
top 5, and we were running 5thor 6 there for a quite a while,
and, just always sort of in thetop 15 to 10, and and the
strategy kept flipping. And,unfortunately, for us, you know,
we're almost a little bump from12th because of how much was
available there at the end onfuel strategy. So we were 1st or
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second of the most fuel. Thenext batch that was gonna run
out were all in front of us.
So if that had one more restart,we were gonna be lining up on
the front row for a shot becausewe were the next 2 best on on
fuel. So unfortunately, itwasn't like natural, and it it
didn't just keep going so wecould cycle the lead. But, you
know, a lot of guys, the secondyellow came out, they ran out of
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fuel and then we're able tocoast it. You know, we would be
able to sneak a few more spots,but to still run 12th in the
ziegler.comchevy, you know,first every time there, we were,
the best fire finish, which isobviously great for our bunch to
be able to lead the chargeagain. But it was super big to
just leave there.
Number 1, we're, you know, wehad so many people there. You
know, obviously, Aaron and alland we had 25 representatives of
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team Ziegler, but a lot ofpeople are watching. It's a
crown jewel event, but also toofor us as a race team, we're
heading into 2 weeks throughalmost 3, with the Olympic break
here that, you know, we can sithere smiling for the next few
off weeks and be excited thatthere's more left on the table
for us in the next few weeks.
Sam DArc (06:37):
Yeah. It was interesting, Carson. One more
lap. Had it gone just one morelap and and you easily would
have been right there on thefront line because of the fuel
situation. Everyone in overtimebasically run out of gas.
Right? You had a couple driversrun out of gas basically, in
front of you and around you.
Carson Hocevar (06:54):
Yeah. Yeah. When the so the yellow came out right
off of turn 2 for the whiteflag, and, you know, you can
hear people sputtering through 3and 4 and down the front
stretch. And luckily, for them,they had enough speed to just
carry the momentum. Like, youknow, if it was under green
conditions, we were gonna passthem all.
But under yellow, they couldjust maintain enough pace under
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yellow that they could coast.And if under green, it wouldn't
matter if you could coast ornot, you know, we would have
been able to sneak right aroundthem and for sure been in the
top ten, almost top 5 there. Butjust to be able to put ourselves
in a really good spot there, itwas tough to pass, you know,
really, really tough. But to toposition ourselves with strategy
and a constant variable changeof yellows and not yellows and
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people changing and when to takefuel, when not to do, or when to
take tires to for us to be ableto put ourselves in that spot.
You know, when good luck findsour way, you know, we're gonna
be in a really good spot to tocapitalize for that opportunity.
And I think that's what we'redoing every week right now is
just putting ourselves in thepossibility that if the
opportunity comes, we cancapitalize upfront, just waiting
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on lady like to just strike usone time.
Sam DArc (08:01):
So I think a lot of team Ziggler would be super
interested to know what it'slike to be in a car when there's
an accident unfolding in frontof you. And you you had a couple
instances in the final few somany laps of the race where, a
wreck happened in front of youand you're able to navigate
around it. What's that likebeing a driver in a fast car?
And all of a sudden, you'regoing from speed and wanting to
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pass to all the you you need toavoid this wreck.
Carson Hocevar (08:29):
I mean, normally, I'm really good at
analogies, but I don't know ifthere's a good analogy for it.
I'm probably the I'm probablythe worst at describing this in
that moment because I I don'teven know what I do is to think.
Sam DArc (08:40):
Yeah. You know, I'm It's muscle memory probably.
Carson Hocevar (08:42):
Yeah. Well, no. It's it's it's even more than
that. It's just you're doing offinstinct. You're not thinking
about it.
It's going off instinct. If Irelied on what I could process
in my head and think about itand then process it and then do
it. I'd be in the crash before Icould even put out, you know,
one word in my head. You know,muscle memory of knowing
exactly, you know, what you'rereading with your eyes and not
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even thinking. It's justreacting.
It's a 100% reaction time. And,you know, I think that's why I
would be a horrible coach atteaching, how to try being it.
Like, a lot of it's, and andeven the TV booth, I was
rewatching practice and theysaid it, and I thought it was a
biggest compliment I could dois, you know, I'm not and land I
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don't even know how to say theword, but, like, you know, I'm
not data driven on how I drive arace car fast. I just react,
feel it, and then, you know,just do it. You know, I don't
have brake markers.
I don't have I don't havemarkers. I just do what it
feels. You know, we come to pitroad, everybody kind of has
their marker. I'm like, I don'tknow. I just kind of come off
pit road and I shift shift downwhen I think and I hit the brake
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when I think I'm gonna run outof time and and a lot of times
Sam DArc (09:49):
You have a feel for the car. Yeah.
Carson Hocevar (09:51):
And a lot of times my pit entries are the
fastest. So the biggest thing Icould say is what I've, you
know, taken over the years andand even just this year, it's
not washing the car that'swrecking. The car that wreck
that's wrecking is the easiestto know where it's gonna go. A
lot of time, you know, like inIndia, the forward progression,
they're gonna take it to thetop. And so when they spin,
they're gonna spin up becausethey're gonna spin backwards and
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then then they're gonna go backup the racetrack, especially a
flat track.
A bank track's a littledifferent, but a flat track, all
that speed's gotta go somewhere.And the second they're spun
around, they're gonna back upand slide up and, because
there's no banking to catch themand they're gonna spin into the
wall. So you kinda know thatwhat spins down probably is
gonna come back up, but thebiggest thing is I'm more
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reacting to the cars reacting tothe wreck. They're the ones not
thinking if there's a guyoutside of me inside. A lot of
times you get involved in acrash because somebody spawn
avoiding or somebody's avoidingor somebody was trying to speed
pass the wreck and then hit youfrom behind.
So a lot of times, you know, I'mnot watching the guys that are
wrecking. It's I'm watching theguys looking left, looking right
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to see where the guys reactingto the crash or the guys that
didn't miss the crash that getsfun. That's a lot of times what,
can really bite you is, youknow, when you're focused on 1
guy and maybe there's 20, 30guys behind you that are
reacting to the same guy, a lotof times you're not gonna zig
when they zag and everything.And and especially too when
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they're on the outside, theyhave to go left. If you're if
you think you're gonna missthem, well, if you have a guy
next to you, he's panickingbecause you're good, but he's
not he's in the right seat.
You just always have to havethat perspective of where
everybody else is gonna reactand how they're gonna react. And
a lot of times, like, at a superspeedway, there's a reason,
like, you see a crash, youalmost just stop, or you just
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try and get all the way to theinside because there's you know,
you're at super speedway, thestraightaways are super wide and
everything. You just try andslow down and react because, you
know, you're tucked up behindpeople, especially on restarts.
Some of these guys behind youmight not even see the wreck
because they got cars in frontof them, and it's tough to tell.
You know?
A long story short, that'sthat's probably the best way of
if you're just you're not evenwatching the guy crashing most
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of the time. You kinda can guesswhere he's gonna go the second
he's done or second he startscrashing. It's just reacting to
the others around that mightmiss it or might hit you
avoiding or might get involvedthat then once you get past,
you're like, oh, I'm clear. Andthen another car comes spinning.
Sam DArc (12:17):
It is fun talking to you and asking you questions
about your thought processduring a race, because you very
clearly are able to visualizeand see it in your head after,
during. And I think even beforeyou anticipate it, and that's a
great skillset for anyone inbusiness as well. So at the
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Zigler Auto Group, our missionstatement is our family
delivering your family, theultimate automotive experience.
And our team members,salespeople, and technicians and
folks in the office andeverywhere throughout the auto
group, they're constantlyworking to deliver that great
experience. And they the best ofus do it in a very similar way
to how you do.
You they think it through.They're very contemplative. And
(13:01):
they may not be able to like,describe it in the moment
perfectly, but they're thinkingit through. How do I do better?
How do I improve?
What, you know, how do I have aconversation with a customer? So
I connect with them and, and ina way that, that, that is unique
and unusual. So I want to askyou one question and I can pull
this out if you don't want this,but, but I'm going to ask it
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anyway. It's interesting becauseafter the past couple of races,
there's drama. Right?
You hear drama, and NASCAR hasdrama, and you are a rookie,
highly ranked. I haven't evenlooked. Are you at the top right
now on the rookie standing afterthe finish? Because
Carson Hocevar (13:37):
We're almost tied. We're, like, 5 points
straight behind. Okay. We'd bewe'd be ahead without the
penalty, but we're Yeah. Withour penalty, we're right there.
Sam DArc (13:45):
Yeah. So anytime, any any we know this in our world.
Anytime anybody does reallywell, you you get more exposure,
you get more criticism. Peopletake potshots. I was watching
the post race coverage fromIndia and I'm like, it was like
some of the people were watchinga different race than I was
watching.
How do you deal with some ofthat negative and critical
feedback and just continue tofocus on what you do, which has
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raised so well.
Carson Hocevar (14:08):
Yeah. I mean, if you ask my dad, he doesn't
understand social media verywell. So he gets one bad review
or one bad sees one bad thing.You you would think Yeah. You
burned out It's everywhere.
Ever. Yeah. But, for me, I'veI've known this for a long time.
Right? You you're in the publiceye.
You know? People can do there'sthere's nothing stopping anybody
(14:30):
from saying anything. Andtruthfully, in in my mind, I've
put the perspective of 2 to4000000 people watch. Right? And
a lot of times, you'll see thecomments.
It's not more than a 100 to 200.Maybe 20 of them are good or
maybe 20 of them are bad. Youknow, it just depends on the
synopsis. But truthfully, Imean, it's a minority of people
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that are actually walking. And alot of times, I don't, you know,
I don't go to a restaurant and Idon't think of, oh, I'm gonna
give this great review.
Man, I was pumped of of thisservice and everything, but I
feel like it's just negativeit's just very human nature to
to be very passionate aboutnegative. So I think that's
what's my perspective of it too,but also it's just it's just
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racing at the same time. Youknow? Nobody knows the
situation. There's there's soyou know, from the TV camera
blimp, from the TV camera,depending on the angle and and
you look at my in car, I mean,there's so many different
perspectives that show adifferent picture too.
And racing is probably thetoughest to judge. Right? It's
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so different than, you
Sam DArc (15:38):
know Perspective.
Carson Hocevar (15:39):
Somebody's eventually throughout life,
somebody's throwing a baseball.Somebody's caught a baseball.
Somebody's thrown a football.Throughout life, eventually,
you've done almost every sportwhether young or old. Not
everybody can drive a race caror can say they've drove a race
car at any time at anycompetitive nature.
So it's the hardest thing tojudge and know and feel and and
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and smell. And and and sometimesthere's a disconnect for that,
but I think that's why thesport's so loved and sometimes
why it's so passionate isbecause you do have very wide
spectrums of opinion sometimes.
Sam DArc (16:12):
Well, it's been exciting to watch you this
season. It's been exciting tosee the exposure that you've
had, And it's also been excitingas young as you are to see the
class with which you handle itand how competitive you are. You
want to win, and you areunwilling to accept anything but
winning. And anybody can saywhat they wanna say, but you are
committed to this sport and toyour art, which is which is
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driving. And and and it's justit's been a heck of a lot of fun
to watch.
So 5 points, rookie, you've got2 weeks off. Right? And then you
go back to the track and therace continues. It's gonna be
exciting. And the entire teamZiegler is pulling for you.
Our next race with you is August7th at the Berlin Raceway. You
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were there several weeks ago.You're coming back. Tell us
about what you expect, atBerlin. It's not a NASCAR Cup
Series race.
It's it's off that track, butyou've got an front of your
Michigan Western Michigan fansthere. Yeah. You know, we
obviously got to the shot in inthe spring, early summer
Carson Hocevar (17:16):
to to go do that, which is a lot of fun.
Aaron was even able to come in,and it was great to see all the
Zigler folks, up in turn 1 atthe tent, but also 2, you were
able to start on the front row,lead a ton of laps, which was
great for us, and and, you know,be able to run a late model.
This is what I grew up doing.For those that don't know is I
grew up rating late models,which is like, man, I don't even
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know college ball. Maybe in inbaseball terms, I try to think
of it like that.
You know, maybe that's, but it'sit's, you know, where I grew up
at the home track that I got myfirst win at 13, on the NASCAR
level circuit. It's the NASCARlocal short track group, you
know, series type of deal, soit's gonna be fun to be able to
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do that in the team's Zigglercolors. You know, it looks very,
very similar to the cup car,intentionally. It has a 71 on it
just because it's my team that Idrove with. No connection to the
71 Spire car.
It's a funny coincidence, but, Idrove that 71 car for TK racing
when I was growing up and won alot of big events that put me
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onto the main stage of NASCAR.So be able to come back there
with the teams at good colorsand have a lot of people out
there would be fun.
Sam DArc (18:29):
And in fact, we're trying to put something
together. It's in the earlystages right now. We're pivoting
quick, but we may be able tooffer some fans the opportunity
to ride with you around thattrack. So we've got the
ziegler.comwrapped Camaro. It'sa late model actual Chevy
Camaro.
And, we're gonna actually try toput you with a a couple of few
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lucky people and take laps outthere. We we're working with
Jeff Schriegel and some othersto see if that happens, but
that'll be an excitingopportunity. And listen,
whatever it takes, I want atleast a lap, Carson. Come on. I
wanna be with you in a car as wego around a raceway and see your
perspective.
So if we can make that happen,that that will be a lot of fun.
And then after Berlin, Next upis MIS. So team Ziegler comes
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home August 18th here inMichigan. What does it mean?
Like you're so close to yourfootprint in Indianapolis and
then Chicago before it.
Now you actually come home toyour home state. What does it
mean to you to come back to MISand drive a cup car at MIS?
Carson Hocevar (19:29):
Yeah. I mean, it's super cool. I got to run
there the first time. And lastyear in the expanded car, it was
so cool to see how many friendsand family that could come. And
but also too, I think it's soperfect.
Right? I mean, this is why this,you know, merge of Ziegler and
myself and and in this raceprogram works so well is when I
come home, it's it's coming hometo team Ziegler as well. It it
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works out perfect. It's such aperfect mix of being able to do
things like Berlin, but also dothings like the big track in MIS
and being able to have those twodates really close together, I
think symbolizes from the shorttracks to the big track, you
know, what teams in there cando, but also, that we can, try
and compete at every level. Sothat's super cool, and I'm
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excited to just go home.
And, there's a lot ofselfishness of me to wanna run
really, really good, atMichigan, but also too, I think
my team. Yeah. There's not ahome field advantage in racing
really ever, but, I think, the r77 bunch can feel how powerful
the Michigan presence is, howpowerful team Ziegler is. You
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know, we wanna run very, verywell for for the people that
allow us to go have fun andallow us to do our day job every
week, and, I think they they areworking really, really hard to
make sure Michigan's a big onefor us.
Sam DArc (20:45):
And then after that, drive for life, it's Ziglar Auto
Group's annual charity event.You'll be with us September 23rd
here in Kalamazoo, Michigan aswe raise money for charity. You
helped us already at the,Portage tornado relief event.
Raised a lot of money that goesback to benefit people that were
impacted by the tornado. Andthen this night, our record year
was over $2,000,000 hauled in acouple years ago.
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It's always fun to raise moneyfor charity and have a great
experience. So, you we'reexcited to have you part of
that. Last couple questions.Take us behind the scenes, if
you would, at Indianapolis.People wanna know what is
something that most peoplewouldn't know about your
experience this past weekend atIndianapolis, this iconic
(21:28):
raceway.
What's something that most mightsurprise most people to learn
about that racetrack or thatrace experience as a driver?
Carson Hocevar (21:38):
I mean, just a a lot of little things. It's the
joke of, you know, how you youwatch a LeBron. You know, he's
getting starstruck over, youknow, a famous, you know,
football player, you know, orfamous, you know, from other
countries or whatever. You know,it's it's like watching
celebrities get excited overthis f one craze or, you know,
(21:58):
even tough drivers. You know,it's watching celebrities be
excited.
I think the biggest thing for usis we all go in there like we're
kids, you know, for the firsttime, and we appreciate so much
the racetrack. Like, we are fansof the racetrack, which I don't
think there's a single racetrackon the schedule almost that has
the drivers racing it. There'sour fans of the place and the
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fans of being there. You know,it's not really like the behind
the scenes, but I just thinkit's it's how much every driver
appreciates that racetrack. It'syou know, it could be the most
boringest race, single file,nobody passes.
It could be the most boringestrace, and I think every single
driver down the line would isloving it and excited to go back
regardless, you know, maybethey're not happy with the
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finish, but by Monday, they'reexcited to go back in the second
the next time they're gettingprepared. They're gonna work
that much harder. So I thinkthat's the biggest thing. Yeah.
The facility just got a tonbetter, obviously, with Roger
Penske.
He's he's as clean-cut as youcould imagine and and just wants
everything picture perfect. And,you you walk up to the pagoda,
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you see his parking spot rightthere, right in front with, you
know, with his car andeverything. But, I remember when
I was a kid growing there, and,you know, it wasn't the nicest
of facilities inside the trackper se, and it's just gorgeous
now. Every bathroom isbeautiful. Every rush every
concession stand, every everylittle knickknack you go is is
(23:26):
picture perfect of what you'dexpect that facility look like.
Beautiful and everything. Andand crazy enough, a lot of
people I didn't realize I didn'trealize they play golf during
the weekend. I thought Isn't
Sam DArc (23:36):
that crazy? Yeah.
Carson Hocevar (23:38):
I realized they play golf during the weekend,
and it is like years in advance,like, wait list that people
specifically come to only playone weekend, and that it's
during the all the cars are out.They wanna play around the golf,
which I thought was super coolas well. I didn't real I never
realized that they have the golfcourse open during our race
(23:59):
weekend.
Sam DArc (24:00):
That was crazy. They had 4 holes as I as I saw it on
the inside of the track, whichis which makes it not only an
iconic raceway, but an iconicgolf course, I would suppose, as
well. So heck heck of a lot offun. What what's the one meal
you eat before you jumped intothe race car at Indianapolis?
That might be something mostpeople don't know.
Carson Hocevar (24:21):
Oh, I mean, it's it's not the meal I want to eat.
It's the meal I have to eat freerange.
Sam DArc (24:26):
Performance. Yeah.
Carson Hocevar (24:28):
Yes. It's, you know, just chicken or rice, a
little bit of salads, maybe somecucumbers and eggs, you know,
you know,
Sam DArc (24:35):
probably some fair for you. We've heard that before. I
love it. That's awesome. You'reconsistent then.
You have a process. Right?
Carson Hocevar (24:41):
Yeah. It's not not very fun, but I just do the
same thing every week. And, I'mvery routine based. So just,
like, once I find something thatworks, I just stick with it, and
Sam DArc (24:50):
I just help
Carson Hocevar (24:51):
veer off the path.
Sam DArc (24:53):
So I just Also a similarity between you and the
Ziegler Auto Group. Right? Soour best performers find that
routine, and you repeat thatroutine over, and then you learn
how to improvise and becomebetter at it. Right? That's the
importance of routine.
Carson Hocevar (25:04):
That's exactly it.
Sam DArc (25:05):
That's awesome. Well, Carson, host of art, it's
exciting to have you here.Thanks for sharing some time
with us, this week. We're,congrats on your, great
performance and great finish atthe Indianapolis Raceway. We
look forward to seeing you inBerlin on August 7th and then
MIS shortly behind that andultimately at Drive For Life,
September 23rd.
Thank you, Carson.
Carson Hocevar (25:25):
Thank you, Sam. Appreciate it.
Sam DArc (25:29):
A big thanks to Carson Hocevar for contributing to this
week's episode. Until next week,how are you driving vision
Carson Hocevar (25:39):
today?
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