S.1 Ep.10: Moving Forward

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hello and welcome to episode 10 of dualistic unity i'm andrew and i am a very excited ray
episode 10 we're in double digits it's been two and a half months of doing this show and and it's
so funny because it feels like i i've been doing this show for years with you at this point man
it really does it's pretty crazy how it feels so long in between episodes and then at the same

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time like we're already on episode 10 so it's just it's exciting and it's like every episode
is invigorating for me and i feel like i learned so much listening to it back i usually you know
over the next two days afterwards i'll do the time stamps and stuff and listen to it back and i like
pick apart because as we've talked about before like when we're in it when we're talking it's

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less so you know mind and more so just like stream of consciousness discussion um so a lot of
times i'll be done and i'll be like i don't even remember what we talked about but i know it was
you know something good absolutely it's kind of funny that uh in these conversations it's
very much the embodiment of what we're kind of communicating in our manifestation workshop

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that's going on right now which is that it's here in the moment right where we're manifesting
we're actually creating something and so when we allow ourselves to just be present
it very much is like this this endless well that you can just dip into and and things just come out
of you and unfold and it's just allowing that to happen but it's funny because when i was younger

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and i would meditate and i was more into trying to really conceptualize this and understand it
before i understood that it wasn't conceptual and i used to envision or at least i would picture how
it felt which was like a whirlwind feeding itself so like a vortex basically everything comes out of
you but it comes from within you so everything that goes out of you also comes within you and
it feeds itself back out in small variations and so you're just like the center of the universe

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you're your own micro big bang happening in every moment creating each and every moment and and
it informs you as much as you inform it and so it becomes this this endless loop of causality that
you're just kind of riding out in the middle and if you're doing it well it's very much just like
dancing it's it's so much fun it's like flight but when you're trying to do it it feels mechanical

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and it starts to fall apart and it really is just about finding that that state where
you are the moment yeah i love that idea of it not being conceptual because i think that's where it
begins for most people that's sort of sort of that you know path sort of in between where you

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understand that it is not conceptual and but be way before that when you don't even understand
you know the conceptual part of it it's kind of like you go through that and so
we're just talking about uh before was the idea that this this understanding of you know being the
awareness and the idea that it's not conceptual like understanding these things is almost you

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can almost plug in this understanding to any sort of situation and that's what we were just talking
about before we did the little intro we usually you know talk for 10 minutes or so and post
that on our patreon but i i find it to be very interesting because so for so long for the past
few years for me it was very much conceptual i would go through you know my rigid morning routine

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and i had all these ideas of what it was you know what life was what i was doing and i had these
things that it was almost like i had to i still had to remember how to be i had to remember to do
certain things or else you know god knows what could happen like [ __ ] could hit the fan and
i wouldn't know what to do because i was holding on to all these concepts and all these ideas

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and i think we've used this analogy before but i like to compare it to teaching someone how to fish
versus giving someone fish and i think before you understand that it's not conceptual you are just
getting being given all these fishes whether you know you're reading books or you know listening
to speeches which can be beneficial certainly you know if you're hungry you gotta eat and you know

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fish can be helpful but what's more helpful is learning how to fish because then you don't need
someone to give you fish and you don't need to rely on anyone or any concept or any idea
you can just go catch some fish whenever you want and no matter what so the comparison would be no
matter what situation you're thrown into you are able to handle it because you know how to fish

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and i think that is sort of the crux of what all of these discussions are and once you get that
there isn't there is so much less you know fear and anxiety and and worry about what is to come
or what has been because you're okay no matter what absolutely and and you have nothing to defend

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right because everything is just conceptual everything's a concept right so you don't get
caught in these loops where it's like you know oh well humanity is god oh that's blasphemy
it's like no it's just a concept it's just a word right it's a word that you've assigned a certain
meaning to and don't want to question and so as soon as somebody uses the word in a different
way you get offended but the fact is that's just a word and so it i used to describe it as

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knowing all the words but not knowing what they're talking about so it's like you're in
the know but you don't know what it is right so you can say all of the conversation pieces
that that are common to this which is you know uh being one and we're all you know unity and this
is my soul and we're manifesting reality and you can get all into this and you can you can almost

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play that game so convincingly that you can fool yourself into thinking that you're making progress
and when you have other people around you that are doing the same thing it just becomes this
this exercise in validating everybody's not moving and everybody's staying in one place basically
and continuing to go through the same egotistical hell so it's kind of difficult that way if you're

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surrounded with with people who are playing the same game but you can feel the difference
and it comes down to the fact that when you are aware there is nothing to hold on to so there's
nothing to threaten and there's nothing to defend and so everything that comes in gets transmuted
it gets converted again by your awareness into a new insight it gets to convert it into a new

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perception that you haven't explored before rather than just being a return to an old concept or an
old perception that was familiar to you right and that's the problem with thinking conceptually i
think you said this in one of the earlier in the early episodes of this podcast which was that
when we revert back to our self-image or any concept really we are reverting back to the past

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immediately yeah yeah and i think like all the concepts that we're mentioning how everything is
a concept you are a concept like the idea of you the idea of rey the idea of andrew is a concept
and that was the first thing that sort of shook me and it was like that insight understanding that

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andrew is nothing more than a grouping of past experiences and ideas so what if i didn't have a
past in the way that i think and that is nothing more than what andrew is it's just a grouping
of past experiences and ideas and concepts and labels and that's not me so if
i am if andrew doesn't have a pass and you know am i really andrew or i just the awareness of what is

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so it even comes down to and i think that is sort of the bridge or the final frontier that people
it's like the most freeing thing but also the most scary like the scariest thing as
well and where people don't want to necessarily go to because it's scary but at the same time

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it's incredibly freeing if you're able to do it because it's sort of that last the idea of you
it's like it's like dying before you die which is freedom pure freedom like that's all it is is pure
freedom without all these ideas and concepts and sort of shackles but it's scary because

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you know that is how you have stayed for a lot of people you know comfortable and being able to
you know voice responsibility onto whatever else when you you know think you're an individual
and think you are separate from everything and think that there are things that are you know
a creator or that someone else is responsible for the way things are and it's like once you realize

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that you're it there isn't as much of that so it's almost equally as scary as it is freeing but
i think i think it is pure freedom at the end of the day is understanding that yeah absolutely
well but like you said it's it can be scary because it's very much like uh going skydiving

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without an instructor right like there's nobody to let us know it's gonna be okay you can leap
right and i mean that's what old world religions really tried to communicate in their own kind of
half-assed way which was the idea of faith and the promise of reality which is that you can let go
you can let go and everything's gonna be okay and they try to communicate that with concepts

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like heaven right or or connection to god but really it's just the same concept of
just let go you are your best self when you're not getting in in the way of that but again that takes
practice and because our culture revolves around the opposite it's very difficult to understand
how that transition is going to work and actually this is really good because i've had a couple of

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questions this week i just want to say thanks to all of our supporters we've been getting
lots and lots of messages from people with questions but specifically these
questions revolved around this idea of how do you have normal human experiences with
this understanding that you're not a self-image with this understanding of say the toxicity of

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ego-based relationships or with this understanding of what you're bringing to the table when you are
over-invested in trying to to get validation or or trying to get approval from others
when you get out of that how do you get into a relationship with somebody is it possible to be in
a relationship with somebody who's still playing that game or unaware that that they're playing

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that game or do you think that it would only be possible to get into a relationship with somebody
who was kind of on the same footing as you maybe not a lot on the same part of the path as you
but definitely aware of the path in the same way yeah that is a very good question i think
i think there does need to be some i think it's very difficult probably i have yet to necessarily

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be in a relationship since having these sorts of understandings um you know the past relationship
i was in earlier this year was kind of before i this stuff all clicked to me so it's hard
for me to say but i do feel like there would need to be at least from the other person an ability to

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question what is and a comfortability with not settling on an answer and not having necessarily a
concrete idea of the way things are and i think it would be difficult i think would be difficult to

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have a relationship with someone who was so set in their ways that they wouldn't be willing to
question things but as i'm saying this is it am i say it would it be difficult because i'm saying
that it would be difficult because that is an idea and concept that i am holding on to as well so

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i don't know right and then there's there's again you're in a relationship and so there's always the
capacity for this person to express things in a way that you're not and so the real question is
is that if you are out of your own way if you are aware that you're not really any idea of yourself
and you do care about this person regardless of how lost they may be is that really a problem

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for you because you're not lost and so it kind of goes uh down the road of altruism to some degree
um not that you're trying to be their savior so much is that you don't need saving and so
you're more than happy to just be with them while they work through their own darkness
right and and those relationships can happen but on the other hand you don't want to end up being

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you know a nurse made you don't want to end up being a crutch to that person to where they
don't go and work their way out of their own darkness because you are shining so bright so
there are dangers right there are always so many considerations in relationships but it really just
comes down to identifying need and want and why you're there but i i think that when you are aware

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you're in the best possible position to make that decision you're you're able to go
yeah okay this isn't working out today this relationship is really bothering me but i'm aware
that most of that is on me because at the moment i'm responding in this way and i'm defending this
and i'm doing all that and then you get over that you realize i'm okay you know and i just
blew that up out of proportion but on the other hand you also want to have the wherewithal to go

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i'm not doing any good in this relationship just by being abused because she
or he doesn't notice that i'm being abused that's not helping them progress and it's
certainly not helping me i'm going to exit so there has to be an event this freedom in yourself
in order to decide whether or not you want to maintain a relationship or maintain the path with
that person and i think at that point it's just a decision and that you can make that with clarity

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yeah yeah i find myself going back and forth on these sorts of things because part of me like has
no desire like i definitely don't feel any need to be in a relationship at all but then sometimes
i feel like i get caught on the side of like not like trying to avoid not trying to avoid but just

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like being closed off to it almost instead of not not not not being open like i'm not
not i don't know what the term is exactly but like i'm not looking for it necessarily but
then sometimes i find myself on the other side of like i have no desire part of me validates that

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because i say like i am busy i have things that i am interested in and i have enough going on
in my life and part of the reason i my last relationship ended was because i didn't
you know i felt like i didn't want one necessarily and i came to that realization among other things

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um but yeah i i sometimes question if i am being closed off like forcibly closed off to one
or if i'm just not looking for one but i don't know i guess there's nothing wrong with with
either but yeah i don't know that's just where i find myself sometimes because i've always kind of

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been like that too like i've never felt any like internal need like i need someone else in my life
but i've almost feel like i find myself more often than not like not wanting someone else in my life
that's where it goes in waves right like um usually that's about the best time to have someone

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in your life is is when you're not willing to give yourself up right so that way the person they're
with is actually you right so you're not you're not trying to just market the package you're not
trying to alter the delivery as it were to make it more palatable to them you're just being yourself
and you're getting rid of that need and that idea of yourself to defend it and all of that

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but yeah there definitely comes a point in the journey of awareness where you're just like nope
i need to just work on me and the entire idea of needing a partner
is not sitting right with me right now because i know that if i do i'm just going to end up
having to come back to this place right here and learn all of this again and it's important
to be self-honest about that because otherwise you end up going through these loops of toxicity but

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on that subject because again we don't want to make assumptions and we don't want to project
our past experiences into our future experiences it is also important to jump into experiences
another one of our supporters on patreon asked this that when you notice relationships around

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you and you notice the dynamic that we always noticed energetically in terms of
you know give and take one person pulling and pushing from the other person and so on and so
forth so the egotistical relationship with the ego-based relationship when you're aware of that
it's sometimes it's easy to sit back and go now i don't want any of that i'm good but on the other
hand sometimes you feel that pull right sometimes you feel that pull that you want to get into that

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argument with somebody or you want to get into that that relationship with somebody because
you feel the emotional pull of it and you want to just get lost in it even though you know
it's going to eventually end up with you coming back to terms with the fact that you got over
committed to something or that you let yourself get lost for a certain benefit and all that
so it comes down to its balance right in in our lives as we get older we kind of go through this

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transition um kind of like the tarot between the fool and the wise man right so the fool just has
experiences and and doesn't know there's anything to fear and that's very much us as children
getting older and then we get into experiences and we learn we learn from the consequences and
we see things hopefully and then as we do that we slowly become the wise person right as a result

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of going through these experiences where now it's not that we're afraid because we're we're
not afraid because we're ignorant but we're not afraid because we know there's nothing to fear
and so as you get pulled into these relationships if you do meet somebody for example you or the
listener who asks this question and you do feel pulled into the relationship you know don't don't
resist that necessarily but keep your awareness as much as you can and remember that even if you

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lose your awareness even if you lose your clarity the present which is what you are is always there
you'll always be able to refine your clarity as long as you're willing to look and do the digging
so don't worry too much about getting lost in these experiences because i mean to some degree
that's why we're here we're here to get lost in these experiences i mean i've done so many stupid

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things that i'm surprised i'm still alive but the fact is it's the stupid things i've
done that have provided some of the greatest lessons in my life and so i'm grateful i'm
still here but i'm also very grateful that i did those things that might have ended
you know the path early for me just because i didn't know better or i didn't see the
consequences or i was so wrapped up in a benefit that i blinded myself to where i was going

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and so yeah there's there's value in the experience and then there's value in taking
stock of the lessons from that experience but uh don't make the assumption of knowing that you know
where anything's going to go right just just jump in and use your best intuition as you can
you'll feel the toxicity if you're really aware and you will feel the confusion

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if you're over committed to an end result that's removing your sensitivity in the moment
that's great advice and i think one of the one of the best parts of that and one of the best
parts of all of these things that we talk about is that is i don't want to say difficult but as
much of a uh i don't know i don't like using paths or journey or whatever as i'm just gonna say

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difficult as some things may seem at certain times like the easiest aspect of this and understanding
is that it's always here now and whatever you get into whatever [ __ ] you get into whatever
experience you go down however far you get from you know this idea of clarity it's always here now

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so that's all the only thing you ever have to it's like oh it's always here now like when you're
clinging to a past idea or like you know this time in your life where you were so at peace it's like
that's just because you are here now without all those additional concepts and layers and beliefs
and ideas and whatever other [ __ ] you had going on it was you were just here now which is here now

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as well like it is here now the same here now as it was when you were here now you know a few
years ago so as as much as we talk about and as much content as we you know put out and as many
pointers we seeds we drop out there like it's always here now so that's really at the end of the
day the only thing you have to you know remember if you start to you know get lost down a certain

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ideal or belief or concept is it's it's here now and that's it and it's beautiful how simple it
really is when it comes down to it absolutely a bit of it's uh of a silver bullet in its own way
but it takes some practice i mean and admittedly it's one thing to say this when you're doing great

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and you're in a clear state of mind and it's another thing when everything is falling apart in
your life and everything that you've been striving for suddenly goes in a different direction and
and you feel like all of the things that you've invested in in that end result and how it reflects
on you and everything else um that it's all all for nothing and you find yourself in this position
where you're kind of just you know screaming at the heavens again going you know why me

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why me why why all this and it's interesting that in that state of mind
the best thing that we can do as we were just saying is to come back to the
right i'm here now there is no why me there is no punishment there is no being that that's making
this happen this isn't something that's happening to me this is something that's happening as me
right and so the best thing that i can do in this situation is to not limit myself to not limit the

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possibilities to not tell myself a scary story of what's going to happen next and just continue
forward but that requires again that that that ounce of faith in yourself that ability to move
forward and not know what's going to happen to not need the carrot and not need the stick
that that's very much the practice and that takes work i mean that's why um when we look back at i

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want to say religious figures but i don't want to say religious figures because that's not really
the point but when we look back and say saints and and and people who have done good things
in the in the name of humanity or in the name awareness as a whole there is a genuine commitment
to just getting rid of this distortion that we call our identity or getting rid of this

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this perception of division and i think that that commitment is so rare right that it it has an
impact that we don't know how to recognize yet but as more of us are getting to that state
we are making that impact we are having that ripple and so it's almost divine and i hate

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using the word divine because immediately you end up in this concept of some external
influence but it really is just the fact that reality is limitless intelligence
manifest in constant movement and so everything is just perfectly synchronous

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it's like that quote that um nothing in nature is rushed but everything gets done
yeah i love that one yeah it is it's so true and that's the idea of just letting go and
allowing things to be and allowing things to get done perfectly and it's nothing you
have to do necessarily and i find that when people you know when i say things like that or talk about

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things like that people are like well if i don't do anything then you know nothing's gonna happen
or i should just sit on my couch and you know eat cheetos all day and it's like that's an action too
you know like inaction is taking an action that is a decision that you're making and it's like
you know some may say i say things like nothing matters but i mean nothing matters so why not do

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anything you may say nothing matters so why do anything and there's just two ways that you can
perceive that base and it's solely based on your perception like if nothing matters that
can be extremely freeing or depressing if you take it as this thing of like you know
you have these ideas in the past of things that mattered and that's what's you know driving you

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and you don't have to but the thing is you don't have to have those things once and it
is i know because i've recently been through that sort of roller coaster of realizing like
oh nothing really nothing matters at all and it was after i texted you after that four gram
trip that i had that was more of a sobering trip it was like oh really really like nothing actually

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matters and it was almost like oh man and then i went on a walk i saw came across a brand new
part of new york that i had never seen and i've seen a lot of it and i was like nothing
matters but this is this is it like this is the experiences that we have is what matters and we

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nothing may matter ultimately but we get it's beautiful because we get to choose it it what
matters to us is what matters and that is the whole beauty of it all so being a part of it as
it unfolds right yeah it's so funny because we're like you know oh nothing matters it's like to what

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what what's the end goal here what do you mean by nothing matters to you right because i mean
that that seems irrelevant i mean nothing really mattered to you when you were an infant outside of
eating and and getting a clean pair of shorts right it didn't stop you from enjoying your
existence right because you weren't thinking about it all the time but when you do start
compartmentalizing everything into does this serve a purpose is this going to get me somewhere

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um it really just kills your your enjoyment it kills your enthusiasm for living as a whole
but and i wanted to talk about this actually it's really good that this came up as always of course
synchronicity everything everything happens in its own time but um the idea of goals or
directions because this is something that comes up quite a bit and i know we're covering it in
in our manifestation workshop and in more detail and when that becomes publicly available i

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encourage our listeners to go and check that out because it's a really good conversation um but
in terms of goals or directions like for me for example i'll give you an example here is that
at some point i would like to get off grid start i know learning how to garden myself to do some

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some work towards getting sustainable living in terms of electricity things like that now that's
something that i've always thought would be a really really good thing for my life and i work
in that direction generally um but i know from the past when i've become over committed to getting
there everything in my life suffered as a result everything became that tunnel vision i got to get
there and then immediately as soon as i needed to get there i wasn't enjoying the step that i was on

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anymore and then the path to getting there started to wobble and fall apart right because i was too
focused on how it was going to happen and i was too focused on when it was going to happen and i
was too focused on it happening and oddly enough now that i'm in a point in my life where that's a
vague direction at best because i'm not entirely sure that that's actually the best thing for me

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in all honesty anymore right because i get into conversations like this if i were to disappear
into the wilderness none of this would be happening right and i enjoy this i enjoy
conversations i enjoy being part of the collective ripple and so perhaps what i i wanted 10 20 years
ago wasn't what was best for me or or the world i'm a part of which is of course also me and so

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with all that in mind why move forward if you're not trying to get somewhere and that's often
the question is like well why why establish a direction if i'm not shooting for the end result
i'm just wondering what your take is on that um i just mouthed but i said why not um yeah i
actually i just did a uh instagram q a like right before this i answered a bunch and one of them was

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uh like what are my hopes and dreams and goals and i said quite frankly i don't have too many and i
think that's okay and my answer is basically uh and this is typically my answer because i get this
question a lot you know like what's your five-year plan what are your long-term goals like where do
you see your content going blah blah blah like honestly i don't have any i know that you know

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sort of like a vague idea is you know when i'm my lease in new york ends in september and i've
always had this idea of wanting travel like i know that i want to see the earth you know like before
andrew's incarnation goes like is back in the dirt um i would enjoy seeing the earth

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i think and just seeing more of it and going around i've always enjoyed traveling and i've
you know i've been to europe on a three-week trip and it was i really enjoyed it so i know
that's something that i really want to do and it's something that i've wanted to do so like
that is a distant vague sort of idea that i have it's not necessarily a goal or a destination but

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it's just kind of that's my loose plan for when my lease ends next september and but beyond that like
another part of my answer is often like i enjoy making content i enjoy filming podcasts i enjoy
making vlogs i enjoy having conversations like these things so i make content i have a podcast
i make videos i make vlogs i have conversations about this it's not about like oh i want this so

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i'm gonna like work towards it no i'm just gonna do it because i enjoy it and there are things that
i enjoy and there are things that excite me so i do those things and i still yes i still have a job
that it's not like you know my passion or whatever but i don't hate it and i'm able to do both
and it works for me and i am content with everything so i think that when you get like you

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mentioned when you get too tied to the goals and the destinations and all these long-term things as
much as people can say like yeah i have like you know 5 10 15-year plan but i'm also like present
every day it's like it's kind of like the idea of getting to heaven it's like yeah you are like sort
of present here now but like sort of not it's sort of like a subconscious like pull in that direction

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and focus and when you're focused and when you have that sort of tunnel vision you miss out on
everything around here when you're not aware of what it is and i think that's part of the reason
when you know you do a higher dose of mushrooms that you're you notice more because you're just
locked into the present you're not there isn't almost any past and future going on you're

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just like locked into the present so instead of having this vision on the future this tunnel path
it's like it just expands to being sort of that center of the universe in that field of infinite
possibilities so i think having goals to wrap this up and ideas and and destinations that you want

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there's nothing wrong with it sure it can give you a path but when you over commit to it it takes
away from your experience here now and that is the only thing you ever have that's the only thing
there ever is that's the only thing you ever will have so in five 10 15 years you'll be here now in
the now that you are in right now and so i think a better you know

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goal is to not get over committed to those goals necessarily and not to the point that
you're you know desiring to not have desire but to realize that it's okay to not have long-term goals
and i think that's something that has gotten lost in our society that you don't need to be
you know working towards something not everything you do has to have a reason beyond the doing

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that you're doing it and you can just do things to do it because you enjoy it and it excites you
because that's all there ever is at the end of the day yeah right because the step is the point of
the journey right that's the whole thing that gets uncomfortable by using the word journey it's like
there's no there's no journey i'm always here now right the only thing i'm doing is enjoying that

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existence or enjoying that experience to the best of my ability and so i mean you could call that a
journey but it's always a journey into how present can i become so i'm not really going anywhere and
that that becomes the paradox in itself and yeah it's um it's really interesting like for example
i've been talking about this stuff for 20 years and at one point when i was younger

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i really wanted to change the world i really really wanted to ignite this conversation in as
many places as i could and just watch it spread and i got really committed to that and that's
where a lot of my frustration came from especially in conversations where people weren't getting it
or in in situations where people who were getting it suddenly went back slid the other direction

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and and or either backslate or went running in the other direction because of the uncertainty
that goes with this path and so there's a great deal of frustration in that because i was trying
to get somewhere i was trying to get to a place where we're going to save the world we're going
to fix all this and over time what i've learned is that that actually made all of the ripples
i was making at the time less effective for me and and the people i was talking to

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and so now for example with this podcast i'm not going to lie i love doing this podcast i really
enjoy the conversations and if if there is nothing else that happens out of this recording right now
other than the person we're who's listening to this podcast having an insight or or or feeling

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like they're not as alone on this path that's it that's perfect that's all i all i need don't
even need that i'm just stoked to know that that's happening even here in this conversation the fact
that i'm having insights that's good enough for me if you're having insights that's fantastic too
so mission accomplished but this is also another drop in the bucket this is also you know another

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you know log on the fire as it were in terms of going in a direction establishing a flow or or
influencing the flow to go in a certain direction and so with all that in mind
yeah i absolutely get excited about the idea of more and more people becoming involved with this
and more and more of its spreading and people joining in the conversation and joining us on

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patreon and joining us in workshops and joining us in these free live events that we're going to be
doing so we can just continue to perpetuate this but you can't get so caught in that
that this episode isn't enough because then we're just talking about you know some heaven
in the future again then we're just trying to get caught up in an end result and that's

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going to destroy the point of this episode here which is this episode here yeah and with the
that idea of manifesting and being the rudder it's like if you are doing things for the end
result more so than for the doing like it's okay as we've mentioned like it's okay to have goals

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and give yourself directions but it's when that sort of on the teeter-totter of being here now and
doing the experience for the experience if that's on this side and then the goal is on this side
the goal is like you know whatever way higher than the doing or the experience then what you're doing
actually whether you understand it or not you're manifesting in that moment

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not being here now and and longing and seeking for the future and so when you get to that future
which is now you will have manifested an existence of longing for the future and wanting the future
so with that you are manifesting whether you know it or not this longing and seeking and pattern

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of wanting and wishing for some better future thing so even when you get that thing that
you're currently longing for you're going to be longing for something else and something more
and so the more often you can catch yourself when you're doing that and understand that you know

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here now is all there ever is so when you get there it's here it's now there is no there there
is nowhere to get and that that path of there was someone who was asking me you know what i
uh they said something like what are the most burning what's your most burning question on a
q a on instagram and i said my response is why is it that no matter how much i shake and dance

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the last drop always falls in my pants and they responded to me and i was kind of like i think
subconsciously making a joke of the idea of having like burning questions and needing like you know
because i talk about this stuff i must have some crazy burning questions out there and then i you
know kind of purposely posted something a little bit silly and they responded to my dm and they

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were like oh come on like haha but like seriously though what are you know you most seeking and i
we went back and forth a little bit my my sort of last message was you know the idea of seeking
is quite interesting because that path of seeking if there is so if there is nothing

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beyond here now then what is there to seek and i'm not saying necessarily that i am you know this
enlightened master being that i understand this and like you don't and you know here now is all
there ever is but just from a logical perspective like what have you ever experienced beyond here
now so if that is the case that and we he was like yeah they were like yeah here now that's

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all there ever is and i was like okay so then what is there to seek that journey that path of seeking
begins here now and it ends here now that it it's almost like circular and eventually
whatever you seek and whatever you realize you realize it was always here now so you can kind of
like circumvent that whole process of feeling like you need to seek something by understanding that

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there isn't anything to seek and that's not to say you know don't do anything it's like why not
do anything and sure seek if you want to seek like that's awesome but don't do it with this
expectation of thinking that you know you're gonna get somewhere beyond here now or get something or
become something more than what you are because you're already everything so there's nothing to

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there's no more to become exactly have i ever told you the story of the uh the stone cutter
uh i don't know i don't know if you've mentioned that this is a great story so i'm gonna brutalize
it but anyway we'll just summarize it quickly so there's this stone cutter and uh this is you know
say a thousand years ago back in the day there was no technology to really help with that and so it's

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not a great life he just goes to the quarry every every day and he cuts stone blocks um but you know
he's got his own shack he's got his his life and and when he's not cutting stone he does his own
thing sits by the river you know that kind of thing what's what watches the sun go down but uh
every day goes to work and it's hard and some days are harder than others and he thinks to himself
you know i i really wish that i had a different life i wish that you know things were easier

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and that i had more time to do what i want to do you know like this and this and this and as he's
working this caravan goes by that belongs to this rich merchant and the merchant is sitting up on
his chair being carried past and everything seems very simple for him and his servants and and and
so the stone cutter goes well i wish i was that that rich merchant then i'd be happy and poof the

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universe delivers and he becomes the rich merchant and now he's sitting in his caravan he's going
through the streets he's being carried by his servants and he's got this great apartment that's
above the the road so he can look down at the people bustling about and drink his morning coffee
and do all that feel like a master of the universe and after a little while being the businessman he
starts to realize that things aren't as easy as he was hoping that there are people that he has

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to pay there are taxes to worry about there's regulations there's the running of the business
in itself and so he still doesn't have any free time he's still not doing what he wants to do
and he's getting fairly stressed out and so one day he's sitting in his apartment looking down at
the street and this this this larger caravan goes by with more servants and of course it's it's the
king and he goes ah you see there there's power there's happiness that that's somebody who has

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to answer nobody that's what i want i want to be the king poof he becomes the king so now he's the
king and he's living in his palace and he's he's overseeing you know the country that that he's
the king of and he's feeling very powerful people are asking him for permission people are bowing to
him people are doing that whole thing but after a while he starts to realize that this is hard too i

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mean there's famine and there's drought there are warring countries there are constant people who
need me to mediate their problems i mean there's nothing but more and more work this isn't what i
wanted at all i just want to be able to sit and be happy and and not have to worry about any of this
and one day he's looking up from his his palace and he sees the sun

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and goes that's it that's the only true power there is the sun nothing argues with the sun
if it wasn't for the sun nothing would grow if it wasn't for the sun there wouldn't be light
the sun is the ultimate power i wish i was that and so he becomes the sun and as he's the sun he's
basking and being you know the sun and shining down on the earth doing all that and he burns

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some crops here he you know blesses some people with an abundant harvest here he does all that
he starts to realize that something is in fact still blocking his power that there is something
that's stopping him from getting to certain people and he can't do whatever he wants all the time and
he looks and he realizes well it's the clouds and the clouds are massive they cover the entire world
and they move around as however they please they're totally free he went ah see that's what

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i'm missing there that freedom i want to be the clavitz and so he becomes the clouds and now he's
the weather of the world he's traveling everywhere he wants and then one day he comes across an
object that he can't move no matter how hard he blows no matter how which angle he comes from
at it from he can't move it he will not budge to his supposed power and he goes this object

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fears nothing this object is completely at peace and happy it can it can't be shaken by anything
it can't be influenced by anything it is it is complete in itself i want to be this and so he
becomes that object and as he's sitting there basking in the solidity of being the mountain

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he hears at the bottom tick tick tick tick tick tick tick of a stone cutter chipping him away
oh that is that is awesome yeah that is i find it to be so so interesting and it's something
we've talked about in the past and i think it's part of uh discover transcendence is the idea of

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not wanting and the idea of you know i i kind of think if this is if if there were a key to
happiness which is very very subjective but if there were it's it's not getting what you want
it's the not wanting and to realize that you know there is a chance that you know you go through

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all the iterations of all the perfect lives that you desire like the stone cutter and eventually
you come right back to where you started so again you can circumvent all of that by being here now
and going even beyond your identification of being that stone cutter or the merchant or the king or

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the sun or or the mountain or anything and just being here now being the here and now being the
awareness of what is here and now and without all those ideas and concepts there is nothing
to fear and there's nothing to gain and there's nothing to lose there's nothing to desire
and it just is here now but all you need to do is you know i guess begin by questioning those

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beliefs and ideas and concepts of who you think you are and how you think
the world is and and then realizing that you're none of those things and all like you peel enough
of those back and all of a sudden you know you are what is here and now that's the only thing and
someone uh another question i got on my q a was what my uh star sign is or astrology

(45:54):
thing or whatever and and do i believe in it that was a question i said i'm a taurus and
um i don't i don't really believe in anything or i try not to because i find beliefs to be
very limiting and by design they are limiting and they are divisive by design so whenever i
get caught up in believing something i try and question it immediately because you don't have to

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believe in anything i think that's another societal norm and societal expectation that
we have is like oh what's your what are your beliefs or what are your thoughts on this or
beliefs on this and it's like there's nothing wrong with having thoughts and opinions on things
by any means but you know don't mistake them for truth because they never are yeah no that's that's

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absolutely true it's funny somebody had asked and we're saying this a lot this
episode because we're getting a lot more messages from people now and i just want to say that but
somebody had asked well don't you think it's important to believe in yourself
and i thought that to be a very interesting question to which my response is
what self do i have to believe in that i'm not already being

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right because i can tell myself a story i can try to mitigate my doubt by telling myself
i have control so if i'm afraid something's not going to work out i can try and overwhelm
that by saying no no it absolutely is going to work out i got this i'm the man
but i don't have to do that just to move forward i can do that if i need to feel better about moving

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forward but at the end of the day how many times have we done something trying to feel
better about moving forward when the best thing we could have done moving forward was just to
be aware of the next step rather than blinding ourselves with an expectation blinding ourselves
with an assumption of how things are going to go and then getting frustrated when they don't
go that way or panicking when they start to go in a different direction right so i think that

(47:47):
the idea of believing in yourself is another one of those concepts that unfortunately has
been kind of twisted and skewed according to our over commitment to this idea of who we are
right because belief in yourself is really just allowing yourself to go i don't know let's find
out and that's it that's not really belief in a concept so much as just willing to allow yourself

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to to demonstrate what you're capable of um and so just not rather than believing in yourself or
rather than trying to prop yourself up it's really just a lack of tearing yourself down
yeah yeah and it kind of ties in with the concept of knowing yourself and realizing that
believing in yourself is just believing in a concept like what is there to believe in you're

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believing in a fictitious idea at the end of the day and like with knowing yourself like can you
really know yourself or are you you are yourself you're always yourself and and when you were
saying that i i thought of the idea of you know it's it comes back to i don't know you know i
don't know how things are going to turn out and that idea that we've talked about so often is the

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true faith the faith in yourself of not necessarily you know you know crushing it or or
succeeding in whatever your ideal or idea of success is but just going through it and
when it comes to you know confidence i think of confidence more as as that action no matter how

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you feel no matter how you feel about yourself or the situation you're going through it's just
it's just being there it's just going through it without an expectation necessarily just being
there as the awareness of what is here and now and and confidence is less so
a feeling and it's less so a projection of yourself for how you feel like you should

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feel or what you feel like you know the mantras you need to say to yourself beforehand to handle
something it's just about doing it it's just about getting into it and and being okay with however
it turns out because another thing is you don't know how what the best case scenario of it turning
out is so like if you're believing in yourself so heavily you know it's still that belief is

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still like we just mentioned a sort of restrictive ideal it it ties you to a concept of how you think
things should go based on your limited perception of through your past experiences primarily and not
through the here and now because it is the here and now is not a concept and whatever

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you're going through is you can have an idea of what you're going through but you can't express
reality because reality isn't words and whatever you're going through cannot be expressed because
it isn't an idea it's just what it is what is that you're going through so there is you don't have to
you know believe in yourself and all this you know voodoo guru stuff that you know do in your mantras

(50:58):
and manifestations you can just be there now and go through it and just make that decision to do it
despite anything and that is what builds the true faith but it's not through you know
your mantras and your you know telling yourself how amazing you are all that stuff it's just from
doing it and going through it absolutely you know the only it's uh we're tested like steel

(51:22):
through fire right that's exactly it you have to go through it and and the more you do the easier
it gets but um you know these ideas about who we are the idea of you know coaching ourselves along
and giving ourselves a mental image self-esteem as a whole um it's very much like training wheels
i i mean it's just like the ego stages of ego development that i talk about and discover

(51:46):
transcendence right it's that the ego or identity is a part of our development there's nothing wrong
with identity it's just that we we aren't taught to question the validity of that identity it's
like our culture kind of got stuck in stage four of ego development where it's like no
we're good here this gives us a sense of certainty let's just get everybody playing the same party

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and so that's that's what we're having what we have but in those stages of ego development you
know it goes beyond stage four goes to five six seven eight nine and ten which is progressively
less egotistical and all that means is less committed to the belief that my idea of myself
is a measure of value that my idea of myself is a measure of truth because then i'm able to

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relate to people on a better level because i'm not holding on so rigidly to an idea of myself
i'm able to work with people i'm able to have more insights i'm able to have better relationships as
a result of all of those things and so it's our culture that needs to move past this or rather we
need to move fastest collectively which is to move past this individually which is once again why

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this conversation in this podcast is so important and and i know it's funny because we do revolve
around this we keep coming back to the same insight over and over and over again and i want
to i want to communicate this clearly because i actually had this question this week it seems like
all of this comes down to the same point over and over again and it does it comes back down to you
it comes down to your existence all of this comes back down to you because you're what's

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making your existence or your experience happen you are the crux of your experience without you
it can't happen and so all andrew and i are ever talking about is allowing yourself to sit in that
with eyes wide open so that way you can you can do the most you can with it but the idea that the

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more complicated the answer the more truthful it is is something you should always watch out for
be careful because there are plenty of people who want to give you long complicated answers about
multiple waves of extraterrestrial alien souls coming to earth whether it's the church
of scientology or it's dolores cannon or it's any of those people they want to give you a narrative

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about how you are here to to save the rest of unconscious humanity or that how you're here for
a certain path and to meet certain people and have certain relationships like the relationship you're
in right now for example all of these narratives do nothing except provide you with some sense of
security and some sense of stability and some rooted idea that you can still hold on to your

(54:20):
self-concept and it's not going to cause you a consequence if that self-concept is somehow
elevated and more metaphysical but the fact is is that self-concept self-image will always have the
same consequence it will always lead you into the same hell when it's over committed to his truth
just like any lie if you over commit to a lie as truth you will inevitably end up in

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conflict because of it so that's really all we're ever trying to do is get out of our own lives
and and getting out of our own way too and and all of those ideals you know people like doris
cannon like i i first heard of her i don't know four or five months ago and i started
you know watching videos on her some of her speeches and i was like wow this makes me feel

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great you know i feel like you know all this stuff was meant to be and i signed this contract
beforehand and blah blah blah but it and i posted videos about it so it's it's funny like how much
it's it's kind of tough you know going through this i don't want to say tough but like it's it's

(55:29):
interesting going through all of these realizations kind of
like in real time like you know that i don't know if you've ever seen i think it's bill o'reilly
um where he's like that little clip i find it so funny where he's like getting all pissed off
at the people with the signs he's like [ __ ] it we'll do it live [ __ ] it like that's how i feel
with all this stuff that i'm going through i'm like [ __ ] it i'm doing it live like i have

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these accounts i'm posting stuff as i go and like you can kind of see the evolution of my
understandings and the clearer that i get through time but the ideas with dolores cannon like
yeah i posted some of that stuff because i was like damn this makes me feel way better about
stuff but at the same time as it was making me feel better it was reinforcing my idea of myself

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and that is and that inevitably led to other things and other struggles that i went through and
when when you're able to get beyond that i think there isn't as much
you know back and forth and i think it ties into any belief system whether it's
religion or dolores canon or spirituality is anything that reinforces your idea of your ego

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or yourself will yeah sure it can make you feel good here and there but there are times when
it's gonna go the opposite and anything that reinforces your idea of yourself
there's two sides to that idea there's you know fear and there's desire and there's the desire
to feel better and the fear when you're not feeling so good and as long as you're clinging

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to this idea of yourself and knowing who you are and knowing that you have this soul contract and
you're you know a part of source but like not really source but kind of source or you know
you're this soul that's experiencing a human or any of these things or just reinforcing this idea
of duality that you are existing in duality and you are separate from everything and that when

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you believe in any of those things sure short term it can make you feel good but i think long term
understanding that you are none of those ideas and none of those ideas or concepts are the truth
is where when you're able to move beyond that you don't get tied to them and you're able to question
those things as they come up and sure there is still discomfort and there are still you know

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emotions that you feel as a human it's part of the human experience but you don't
tie yourself to that truth and you no longer have things to defend when people don't agree with your
position or you know belief if you hold on to these beliefs and cling to them that you see
as truth you're going to have something to defend and when when you are able to

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go sort of move past that and get past these ideas and belief systems that reinforce your
identity and belief idea of yourself then there isn't much to hold on to and there isn't much to
defend and that i think is where that true faith starts to get built absolutely the kingdom of

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heaven is smaller than a mustard seed right yeah the whole point is you have nothing to defend it's
the narrow path right like i get a kick out of the fact that jesus actually at one point
talks about the you know the wide path traveled by many in the narrow path that's traveled by
very few and it's like yeah that's what he's talking about he's talking about you know

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the the ego identity and all that belief and go that goes with that versus none of that which was
faith and humility and a lie aligning with god right and seeing your neighbor as yourself
as it were and so i find it so funny how it's always like this we're always talking about

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this in two different ways like and it's like we're speaking different languages right like
we talk you can use concepts to describe an insight but if you're talking to somebody
who thinks concepts are truth they won't have that insight that's the trick so it's very difficult to
figure out how to communicate truth without using concepts and especially when you're used to

(59:47):
thinking about truth as concepts right and so what what ends up happening is you just try to beat
people over the head with the concepts that you're familiar with and that have given you that sense
of of rightness or value right and then if they memorize it then you're even more right because
now safety in numbers right these people are agreeing with me and that that's the foundation
of religion at the end of the day it's like hey we got a big group of people who all say you're wrong

(01:00:12):
therefore we're right because we have more people right and so it's it's really
interesting to to watch it play out that way but how do you inspire a genuine insight
how do you how how do you embody the the emergence of an insight or or how do you participate in the

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emergence of an insight and the fact is that you can't control it you can't go to somebody
with a perfectly laid out speech and expect it to wake them up because you are discounting where
they are in their head what they've been through how they're going to interpret the concepts you're
using in your speech right and so if it's not about the speech and it's not about the words

(01:00:52):
then it's about me then it's about the state of mind that i'm in in that conversation and that
that's frustrating as [ __ ] when you first start thinking about it because there's no control
in that right you have to actually just exercise self-awareness and self-honesty going into
conversations with no desire for validity and no uh end goal in that conversation other than what

(01:01:18):
you're what you're doing at the time and then what you find is that in that in that mix of
being the rudder and allowing somebody to be in that position with you or in that state with you
yeah things all of a sudden they go in directions that you never would have conceptually thought
possible you start to experience the miraculous as it were which is really what what the miraculous
is there are things that we just don't see being possible given all the probabilities that that

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we currently are exposed to but the fact is is that that stuff's happening all the time
right there are things happening all the time that we would have never expected it's just that we're
too caught up in our tunnel vision to to see it or even to accept that we're expecting something
yeah like i just thought of this idea that if you're trying to express to someone that there are

(01:02:04):
no end goals you can't have an end goal in your expression to someone that there is no end goal
like being that expression being that embodiment is all you can do at the end of the day and you
can't have expect like when you're expressing not having expectations you can't have expectations of
your expression of not having expectations like it just it doesn't work it's it's a bit hypocritical

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and counter-intuitive and counterproductive at the end of the day so yeah it's like it's just being
here now enjoying your expression enjoying sitting in the moment and expressing things and if someone
you know is able to perceive something in a way that you know gets to them and triggers something

(01:02:50):
within them to trigger an insight cool if not that's okay too but at the end of the day you know
you can't you can't force it you can't and you can't have an expectation you can't it's
like with the manifesting you can't let go to receive because you're not actually
letting go you can't expect to have someone not expect you know you can't expect to not

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when you're expressing how not to expect or how you can't have expectations you know
yeah you can't teach being right yeah as soon as you do you're not being
super frustrating i went through that for years man just just cycling through that is like ah
i'm getting caught up in it again i'm getting emotionally involved with it again
right and that's the thing that there has to be some degree of detachment otherwise well

(01:03:38):
and there doesn't have to be i think that that's that's important to mention that we throw these
words like you know we have to do this and we don't have to do this i mean we can continue
down the path that we're on but once we have awareness of where that path is going and once
we start to build an awareness of the consequences of that path then it really just comes down to if
we don't change direction the consequence is on us right and and if we're willing to accept

(01:04:01):
that that's fine but more than likely if you've acquired the awareness to see the consequences
that are happening from the the ideas you've ever committed to then you also have the awareness
to decide to go in the other direction and it might be in small little spurts at first like you
might make a couple of positive changes in your life and then revert back to your old habits but

(01:04:22):
that doesn't matter because each and every step is cumulative on the path each and every step
oscillating in and out of awareness or presence or or faith in yourself reminds you of the value
of awareness presence and faith in yourself so don't beat yourself up when you do get lost or
when you fall off um the the the high wire as it is because you're going to get back up you're

(01:04:46):
going to fall and you're going to do it again and and eventually you're going to have moments where
you're like right this is easy when i'm not thinking about it and then you're going to go
am i thinking about it you're gonna fall um then that's just how it goes right like it's just like
trying to be present right be being present works until you think am i present and that's all gone
right so it's just about stepping forward having faith in yourself and allowing it to to change you

(01:05:10):
as you change it because they're one and the same there is no separation between the stone
cutter and the mountain right like that that's the whole thing if you can get into that state of mind
you'll never experience lack that's going to twist your path and cause you to have more
distortion and more consequence and it is it's that it's that distortion it's that confusion

(01:05:31):
that causes us to go down directions that that cause us more pain so if you can just address
the confusion you can learn to feel when we're confused everything else becomes self-correcting
and then and then when if you get caught up in judgments don't judge your judgments
also and if you do then don't judge your judgment of your judgment eventually just

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get yourself and you'll be okay and it's always here now so that's the beauty of it
so and that's the forgiveness right like that's that's why it's like oh
god forgives all that means is as soon as you're present you realize there's nothing to forgive
right like the entire idea of forgiveness is it all conceptual and based on your idea of yourself

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right so that's the whole point of you know the kingdom of heaven is is divine forgiveness and
all that divine acceptance yeah as soon as your presence that's it there's there's no more you
to be punished right there's no more you that has done something wrong because the entire idea of
wrong and right is fictitious it's superficial that's why i always get a kick out of it

(01:06:37):
this idea that god is everything created everything limitless limitless doesn't die
is expressed through everyone somehow has opinions on good and bad
what so whenever i i get christians mostly but it's not just christians um saying like oh you

(01:06:59):
know you're wait till you die god's gonna judge you it's like wow you really have this
this limited version of god that thinks just like you do like isn't that odd how god just
seems to be as judgmental as you are that's a very convenient thing and it's always the case
it's always like that it's like you know i want to view god in a way that justifies my actions

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right it's like but if god doesn't die and can't be killed it has no preferences
yeah it is very it is very interesting uh just that whole idea and i find it that you know when i
have these discussions with people about religion you know people are just like why can't you just

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leave people be blah blah blah like let them be live and let live and i have my responses to that
certainly but something interesting that i find is is that they say you know religion allows people
you know what if it's just allowing them to be you know a better person or whatever and i find it

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very interesting how if you are truly you know a believer then you're living in a world of
duality where you see everything and everyone is separate from you so i find it to be very
difficult to experience that true empathy where you see that you know if you go through the same
[ __ ] and experience the same things as someone else you would act very similarly to how they do

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and i don't see that in religious you know communities as much and so they talk about how
you know you're a better person you know it can help people be better people and yet in reality
i find most of them that i come across to be extremely judgmental and they validate it by you

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know whatever they say but you know i catch them oftentimes and i'm like you know you're that's
pretty judgmental of you to say like you don't know them you don't know if they've been through
you don't know if they're you know what they're experiencing right now and yet you know they
identify very closely as being religious and saying how you know their arguments are always

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what if it just helps someone be a better person or like you know feel better about death or blah
blah blah and it's like okay great that's that's cool for you to say and cool for that to be your
argument but i just don't see it in reality as often quite frankly yeah well i mean and
let's just say okay um so christianity religion whichever religion is based around somebody who's

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had an experience of the divine clarity so on and so forth like okay so jesus was happy
but jesus wasn't christian jesus didn't believe in christianity he didn't worship he didn't you know
reference the new testament i mean he talked about scriptures in in saying yeah we're done with those

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those have all been satisfied with my coming we're done with scripture now
and i find it so funny that the people who follow jesus quote unquote right are like yeah he came to
satisfy scripture here's some new scripture right it's like okay so so we're not getting the point
right what this is is a club and it's a club based on us not being like the person

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that the club is revolving around right and that's that's always really funny to me because it's like
you know what would jesus do well he wouldn't be christian let's start there and then we can
work our way up right but it comes down to he wouldn't be christian right and so when we're
talking to people we're asking them we're not even asking them we're presenting them with a choice

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either what you've been saying this whole time that god and connection and all of that
is actually a prior a priority in your life and you're willing to surrender and have faith and
allow yourself to see what else is there or it's all lip service and you are just committing to
division for the sake of feeling right and being able to value yourself through comparison because

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unfortunately that's what goes with identity and belief that you don't get the roaring fire
of enthusiasm that goes with actually being god or being connected to the universe what you get
is the very poor substitute of occasionally feeling more right than other people and having
other people agree with you about how right you are and so that gets mistranslated as a

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spiritual experience oh we've converted another you know heathen but that's
not the same as actual connection to the universe because connection to god means there is nobody
to convert there is no separation it's just unity right and so that that's very much the difference
between believers and and and the actual recognition of unity right is that believers

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always perpetuate division they'll do it in the name of unity but they'll perpetuate division
yeah and and even saying things i feel like
like the idea of of live and let live and you know i have my religion and there's a bunch of
others and that's okay too it's like why do you feel so strongly that you need to cling

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to this religion like it is by divine by design divisive the idea of having all these religions is
divisive by design it doesn't mean that you know you can't say that you're you know allowing people
to be but i just find it very i i get curious about why people feel so strongly that they

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need to cling to these ideas and i think a lot of it just comes down to
you know wanting to believe in an afterlife and clinging to this ego identity and
but at the same time like it's also funny because they say that and they say things like you know i
i you know i think that you know i'm gonna live in heaven with god and all of my ancestors and

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people that i love but they're still very afraid of death and if they actually thought that that
they were gonna be in paradise with you know everyone they ever loved and god and jesus and
whoever else like they wouldn't be afraid of death in the slightest if it actually is what they think
it is like a better place than they are now then they what is there to fear like there's nothing to

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fear whatsoever that you should be excited you should be like you know going jumping squirrel
suiting and and having that you know five year life span because you're like hell yeah i'm
getting to heaven but you're not so it's like it's interesting how you're very much clinging
to these ideas but it's like what you cling to and what you say that you are and what you identify as

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versus what actually is happening and what you're actually going through and and i find
it to just be very very contradictory in those two different realms what they say and what they do
yeah i know absolutely it's so funny that way right like it's so it's it's very interesting to

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me because christianity will will talk about the afterlife and they'll talk about you know heaven
and it'll be the greatest thing in the world we're going to connect jesus will be at the right
hand of god all of that and then at some point it started to dawn on people well [ __ ] why don't i
just die now and and so the church is like no no no no we we still need money so suicide's a sin

(01:14:58):
right it's like so you're stuck here but don't worry we'll take care of you as long as you keep
paying right and so it's such a catch-22 whereas somebody uh wrote to me and because we're talking
about awareness and being eternal life and all that and they said you know well why wouldn't i
just kill myself because it doesn't help you any you're still gonna be eternal life like you're not

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going anywhere like you sure you're going to lose this body but you're still going to be every
other body so there's always going to be a journey there's always going to be hardship there's always
going to be a situation for you to transmute and try to make the most of right suicide doesn't end
the pain just changes the body right and so make the most of what what you've got here and now

(01:15:42):
because you don't know what's possible all you know is what's been possible as long as you've
been avoiding the here now or judging the here or any of that stuff right so it's interesting that
when we talk about heaven being a possibility as a real experience here becomes very different than
talking about heaven like a distant place that we have to die to get to it changes our priorities

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as as people but again we have to get past the idea of our concept of our self of our self-image
now i just want to mention because i know we tend to talk a lot we are coming up to our hard stop
today because we do have to wrap up for a certain period for a certain time and i want to mention
to all of our listeners that we are so grateful for all of the messages that we've been receiving

(01:16:27):
for all of the people who have been joining us in our live events we do have a live event coming
up this wednesday december 1st and then another one on december 8th those are free uh live group
events you can sign up for them on our website uh we're going to be doing more of these as we
move forward of course and then we have another workshop coming out and of course we've had a
bunch of people purchase the uh social anxiety and workshop series that we did last month in the

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last week and so i just wanted to say thank you to everybody who's been helping to support this
endeavor of ours or or this step that we're on right now because it's moving us in a direction
where we can see the change accumulating and we're really excited to be able to change to share that
with you as that change is happening so just thank you so much everyone for being a part of all this

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yes yeah i would just like to echo that and it's very exciting it's very fun as much as you know we
love having these podcasts and just talking to each other for an hour and a half to two hours
like it's awesome to have other people involved as well in getting more and more perspectives
and questions and i'm super excited for our live events coming up uh december 1st and december 8th

(01:17:40):
i think those will be a lot of fun i know like we really enjoyed our first patreon live stream
uh with mary uh what was that two weeks ago maybe that was awesome just like to have conversations
with more and more people who are you know sort of going through all these things and these changes
and and just to get more perspectives involved is very exciting so um it's it's been awesome

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to you know be able to have some platforms to communicate these things and then have you know
some responses being reflected back and it's all very exciting yeah the reward is the step we're on
right that's that's the great thing is i have these conversations and i always enjoy having
them and then after the conversation it goes online and it spurs more conversation

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with more reflections of ourself which of course is helping me grow as a person which
is contributing to these conversations again and and so it's just this it's this this practice of
of one mind and infinite expressions communicating with itself and it's interesting that now that
mind has got a new channel called the dualistic unity podcast and and everybody gets to be a part

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of this as as we move forward but i wanted to communicate this because although i i work very
hard towards not having an end goal or a uh a place i want to go and go to into the future
i do want everybody to know who's listening to this that as this grows as this continues to
build more and more people get involved with this um i have lofty ambitions like there are

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things that i want to see happen in the world there are conversation starters that that we can
throw out there there are a number of ripples that we're going to make as dualistic unity
continues to evolve and grow and that's all about your participation and more importantly
your insights the changes that you're going through because without you none of this would

(01:19:40):
be happening because you are what is and so i just want to express that as much as
i'm doing this for my own enjoyment i get so much enjoyment when people communicate how much they're
getting out of this as well or they communicate that they've applied some of the things we're
talking about in their life and they're seeing how it's changing things for them so by all means

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reach out to us as often as you can we have a q a episode coming up very shortly uh in december
so we're going to be answering as many questions as we can in that episode so by all means submit
your questions on social media or on patreon and we will try and address it in that episode as well
and if you haven't picked up andrew's e-book as yet definitely do so i mean it's it's coming
along really well it's a great read and there's really some some good insights for when you're

(01:20:26):
just going through day-to-day stuff if you need a quick reference for how to deal with overthinking
or how to deal with anxiety it's really easy to just flip to the right page have a quick insight
and if you want to watch a quick video with with andrew communicating that insight in the way that
he does that it's always nice too if you're having a bad day so definitely check out that ebook
yeah i appreciate it and i'm gonna be adding i don't know if it's gonna be a judgment or specific

(01:20:52):
social anxiety chapter in december so that will be out as well and actually uh i meant to do this but
i'll add a uh i have discount codes for like each my platform so people will click through it and
i'm going to make one uh because that just came out as a capability through the platform that i'm
selling it through um so i will have a dualistic security specific one so if you use the code du40

(01:21:18):
you can get 40 off the ebook and it's linked in my bios on content um but yeah it'll we'll link it
somewhere here but yeah du40 and you can get 40 off so that makes it nine dollars i think so
it'll be updated fairly regularly so i don't know i think it's worth you know a few cups of coffee

(01:21:41):
or whatever um but anyway yeah appreciate anyone who has purchased that so far or or is thinking
about it um yeah thank you money well spent for sure and uh just to wrap up i do want to reiterate
in december um well actually in november we did have a giveaway where i gave away a 50-minute
one-on-one life coaching session to one of our supporters on patreon i'm going to be doing the

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same in december except i'm going to be giving away three 50-minute one-uh 50-minute one-on-one
life coaching sessions and so you can win that just by being a supporter on patreon and uh that
draw is going to be on december 20th likewise we have a lot of other giveaways and promos coming up
in december so if you can attend any of our live events or if you can attend any of our workshops

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or anything like that you will definitely get some promo codes and some some free giveaways there as
well and of course if there's anything else that you'd like to see from the channel as we go into
the new year because we're going to be starting season two at some point soon um definitely throw
up your suggestions because this show is evolving as we do and as you do and of course you are

(01:22:45):
a very important part of all of this yes i'm looking forward to it all it's very exciting and
yeah season two it's crazy what'll what will that be like episode 14 or 15 maybe around there um
yeah it'll be coming up quick for sure and just so everybody knows we actually have uh another

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guest coming up about midway through december i'm not gonna ruin who it is right now but we will be
giving um some notifications online so do watch us on social media it's gonna be a great conversation
and i know you're probably gonna recognize who it is so do keep in touch with us follow us on
patreon if you can of course and we will see you next week for episode 11. all right bye everyone

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