S.1 Ep.11: Questioning Experience

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hello and welcome to episode 11 of dualistic unity i am andrew and i am ray this is going to be an
excellent episode episode 11 and we are oddly enough going to be returning back
to a conversation that we started at in episode one two and three which was on the topic of the
psychedelic experience and the subjective reality so i'm excited to have this conversation yes i'm

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i'm very excited um so just to get right into it um this weekend i did some mushrooms and some
higher dosages and um on saturday i did uh three and a half grams with a one gram kicker after an
hour um and then i was i took that around 2 p.m and then i had friends texting me on the come up

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and i was like can't deal with this nope and i put my phone on airplane mode put it in the other room
just went into my bedroom and then i you know a few hours later i responded to them and they were
going out and i was like yeah i'll come out like i'm fine now and i didn't drink anything at all
but was out you know at bars just having a good time talking to people and it was funny because

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you've mentioned that um i think before the first time i tried you're like small talk can get you
you won't want any of that basically and i was starting to have you know i was at a party with
a bunch of people i didn't know so a lot of small talk going on and so i started just like slipping
in different deeper conversational topics and it started to be a lot of fun and one of my friends

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likes kind of messing with people and just kind of seeing what happens just tossing in like saying
ridiculous things just seeing how people react for the fun of it and so we were both kind of doing a
little bit of that and bouncing off each other and it was a lot of fun and so we can get into that um
sort of experience i had before you know going out with friends because that was interesting and then

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um when i was out with friends i have a few i was out with a few of my best friends and they're
always people are always wondering about mushrooms and they talk to me because i am very open about
taking it and my experiences with it um so two of them they had both tried smaller dosages but never
um really tripped so we took i was like why don't we just do it tomorrow we're not doing anything so

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um we took three grams and that was the most profound experience i have had on them i went
i texted ray about this yesterday but the only way i could describe it was talking to god like as
which was also myself and also everything and and it was like i was thousands of miles within myself

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almost and it was like there was like thousands of miles away there was a light that was like my eyes
seeing out into the universe and yeah so that was just real quick intro to what happened but
we can you know get into parts of that and absolutely and what i have to ask you know

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how how was the experience of those who went with you because typically that that's what happens at
higher dosages is that everybody's walls come down and all of a sudden the division that we normally
maintain psychologically and cerebrally isn't there and so you have people in those experiences
talking about telepathic experiences being able to actually communicate with the other people in

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the room without any language at all and i know i've had that experience myself and it's largely
because that's always the case it's just that we are completely disconnected from it because
we're so involved with the character right so i'd be curious to see how your friends responded to
that experience yeah so i will talk about theirs but you just saying that just now reminded me

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of something that happened that i didn't even think was like necessarily a telepathic thing but
looking back it was so we stayed in my friend's apartment pretty much the first three to four
hours and then we ventured out to get some food and then it was dark by then it was about 6 p.m
probably and there's this guy sitting uh we were walking into like a cvs pharmacy uh just like a

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little grocery shop and there's a guy sitting on a bench and he was facing cvs and it was lit so
it was almost like we were seeing his back and it was just a silhouette and he had like a top hat
and kind of these enthralled things and i looked up and i couldn't tell if he was facing us or not
it was kind of this sort of freaky looking thing and as i that thought hit me my friend said is

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that guy facing us and then my other friend was thinking the same thing and we all died laughing
like we started crying like we couldn't i couldn't even like breathe for probably 10 seconds because
it was so like spot on yeah it was the moment i thought it he said it as if i said it and then my

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other friend thought the same exact thing it was it was crazy yeah and it's funny because normally
when people have those experiences the first thing they do is say so so did i cause them to have that
thought or did they cause me to have that thought my only response is what do you mean by i and them
yeah that's what it was like it was crazy and and i didn't even think about that aspect of it

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until you mentioned it just now because that was i'll never forget that scene and then my friend
saying it next to me we almost could we almost like couldn't even walk into cvs after that we
just said lost control and and we had already been in a deli and we were just like sitting at the
table just like having fun with that and it was it was just a fun time for there were two of my best

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friends so it was a very enjoyable experience but um before them they had a little bit of a
tougher time on the come up with the digestion of it they got and i was admittedly like a little bit
queasy also so i don't know if it was something we all ate beforehand or some

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way that it was getting digested but they they were like one of them almost threw up i think
kind of on the way up and i knew like i had felt that before so i was like i know this is gonna
pass so i wasn't too worried about it but they were like like one of them was like sweating i was
like it'll like it take it may take about an hour but it it gets better i promise um just trying to

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explain to them like you're supposed to feel this way it's not like you know a bad thing it's not
abnormal to feel like this just kind of reassuring that it's not they're not like having a bad trip
necessarily it's hard when people are are predominantly uh physical in terms of their
mentality when they spend a lot of time focusing on their body day-to-day and you think of yourself

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as a body day-to-day and all of a sudden you do take a substance which is essentially a poison
um and and you start to panic a little and your body starts to feel real different and and so
yeah when your certainty is based on your body awareness it can really throw you and then that
resistance can make the stomach thing so much worse right because you're just your stomach's
just tying up in knots it's resisting the whole process which doesn't help so it was good that

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they had you there to walk them through it and remind them like you know whatever it is you're
afraid of it's gonna be gone like 15 minutes just sit down yeah yeah yeah that's pretty much what i
tried to and then another thing that we had some other friends who the night before were talking
about doing it and then they ended up not wanting to but they still wanted to hang out with us and
they were texting us like right before we were gonna take it my other two friends who hadn't

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really experienced it as much they were like like they can they can probably come over it's probably
fine i was like nope no not a not a good idea not this situation and they were like all right we we
trust you and then afterwards they were like thank [ __ ] god we listened to you holy [ __ ] that
would have been and we were talking about like what would have happened if they had come over

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because there was a period for probably close to an hour where none of us said anything like i had
my eyes closed for a while my other friend out his eyes closed and like there was no words being said
so we were thinking like there were two situations that we thought would have been so funny well if
our friends had come over they probably just would have left they brought because there was there was

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silence we were watching football like as we took them and then we were like this is tv is way too
much right now way too much stimulation i've never cared less about a football game in my entire life
and and so if they had been there they probably just would have left and then when we were like
an hour in when we were all i was playing softly playing the beatles and then we were all just kind

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of like very much not in our bodies as much and if if um someone had walked through the door in that
situation like it would have been funny but also just like not enjoyable for anyone necessarily but
yeah or enjoyable for completely misunderstandable reasons right like i

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i've been in those situations where i've just had the best time just based on how confused everybody
around me looked by my lack of of giving a [ __ ] like it was just people would comment because
when i was younger and i'm gonna preface this when i was much younger um i would i would go to work
in that state and yeah at work i would just be a happy little you know boiling bubble just kind

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of walking around the office making everybody else happy because i had nothing to hold on to
i had no reason to be unhappy and so i was just bubbling around and people would often wonder like
what is this about and then they try and get into a conversation to which i would go oh let's go a
layer deeper right because it's fun to do that and so yeah no it's an interesting experience and and

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it is very difficult to comprehend when you're not when you're not either in that experience or you
don't have experience being in that that mindset and you run across people who are there you can't
comprehend at all it just seems like their timing is way off that's all it is and what's funny is
i've had people feel paranoid like oh i don't want to go around people who are sober because you know
they might judge me it's like at the most they're just going to be really confused as to why you're

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quiet and not that stressed out that's really it that's all they're going to feel and it's
true they just don't understand why your timing's off why you're not responding the same way
yeah i found that actually sort of exact situation at the party we we went to first before we went to
a bar to a pre-game and i was this was probably on hour five or six so i was i was like very much

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comfortable in any sort of situation but i was still in yeah an altered state of mind to a degree
and i was sitting there just kind of on the couch just kind of observing things not really having
any need to talk to anyone and then i started talking to someone and then there's just not much

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more to say and then i i was just like hanging out there and i could kind of feel them like
feeling uncomfortable and i was just had i was like very very relaxed which i am without the
mushrooms now in most situations but it was like i could feel them feeling like something needed to

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be said another thing needed to be brought up and eventually they just stood up and went to another
part of the party and i was just hanging out there just kind of looking around the room like probably
with a smile on my face but it's funny we run into that mentality right where it's we exist in time
so much that the idea of just sitting down without having the thought in your head of what i'm going

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to do next where i'm going to go next when this time period sitting here is has run its course
right like i'm all right i've sat here too long now everybody's feeling awkward so i'm going to go
right but when you're in that state you don't care you're like i don't feel awkward do you
feel awkward sounds like you're thinking about time right and you don't worry about it and
that's that's very much the difference that it's because everybody everybody gets into this dance

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where it's like we all agree we're in time we all agree we have [ __ ] to do we all agree
you know there are other there are timings that we that we you know kind of all live according
to in a conversation you can feel it when you're having a conversation it's very much like a dance
if you can get into that flow but yeah when you're when you're no longer listening to the music right
when you're when you're just sitting in the dance floor going this is a really nice room

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nobody knows what to do with you it's fun yeah yeah it's it's awesome in that that idea of
being in the dance or side sort of like caught in the societal norms i actually had uh an episode of
my own podcast uh today i entered uh interviewed or had a guy on who creates um like food related

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tick tock and he's into like health and fitness stuff and we were talking about
getting caught up because he worked in investment banking for two years and then and now um sort of
had this idea of creating his own uh beverage company and then he does content as well and he
is fully like he quit his job a few months ago and is now just doing that and we were talking about

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balancing you know having a full-time job and working on that because he was working on all of
this while he had that full-time job and we were talking about how society has kind of created this
norm of just doing the job and then you know going out on the weekends and not really setting aside
any time for yourself just kind of like getting caught up in that dance of society and thinking

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like that's normal and feeling uncomfortable if you don't do that feeling uncomfortable if you
stay in one night with no plans or no reason to stay in that you're not going out and so we were
talking about that whole idea of how most people just get caught up in that and it's uncomfortable

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to get out of it and it's sort of crazy that it's like a thing to not be in that and people less so
now i think it's becoming more and more normalized but i'm sure you know 40 years ago it was probably
absolutely insane to not be on that sort of track of like living you know the american

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dream graduating college working at a company for 40 years and then retiring and why aren't
you out there you know having a social life with all the people in your circle and all of that
yeah well the pandemics changed a lot in that way right because a lot of people all
of a sudden who at one point beat themselves up for not being out or or judge themselves
for not being social enough we're suddenly given basically a note saying no you're good stay home

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chill take care of yourself and so some people resisted that because of course
again our when our value is rooted in how we fit into society it can be very jarring when we all of
a sudden we're not playing that role anymore and we don't know how to evaluate ourselves
but other people went oh after that initial discomfort they started going
i actually enjoy being by myself and it was because they always avoided the discomfort society

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promotes the idea of well if you're uncomfortable alone you should get out and hang out with people
you should go out and party you know distract yourself do all that whereas you know from mental
health a mental health perspective sitting in that isolation sitting in that aloneness
is often exactly what you need to do just to start you know clearing out the cobwebs of your
own self-judgment clearing up the cobwebs of the thoughts that you've been holding on to habitually

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rather than for any good justifiable reason and so yeah the pandemic is very much changing that
and as a result people who are going out now into social circles are bringing a whole new
conversation with them so i'm very curious to see how that's going to change our society as we go
forward because you know in the same way that all of our other collective normals are are altered by

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uh the percentage of the population that is uh practicing it this conversation is going to become
more normal as more of us have this conversation as more of us start to look at the world through
our own eyes rather than the the perspective of what we're supposed to be doing based on those who
came before us so that conversation is changing and it's very interesting to watch but it's like

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everything else you know the new normal has to be defined and and that new normal at the moment
isn't defined nobody's quite sure what to do nobody's sure if we're going back to you know life
as it used to be or if we're going to continue in this pandemic or if we're going to continue
with some other new normal due to climate change like everything's up in the air and so i mean at
the moment the new normal which is great for this conversation is uncertainty yeah it's almost like

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just thinking because we don't know even even pandemic wise like when things are gonna be
more like they were in 2019 it's almost like you can't plan as much for the future so it's almost
like i guess you can a lot of people take that as just negative and they're they're mad about

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it and everything but it also kind of knocks you more into the here and now a little bit more
easily which i think it certainly has for me like i i have some ideas of of next year what i want to
do and i'll start probably making some plans for early in the year like some trips or something but
for the most part i'm just kind of flowing with things and it's it's been an awesome practice

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and i think another thing when you brought up uh discomfort and how people they they think
i don't know if they think that overcoming discomfort can be uh achieved through avoiding
it but it's almost like that is the standard and they never or probably rarely think to go into
that that overcoming the discomfort is through feeling the discomfort and feeling it until it's

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no it's almost like feeling it until it's no longer there and it becomes comfortable like
transmuting that discomfort into comfort because you allow it to be and you accept it as opposed to
just trying to suppress it by you know if you're uncomfortable by yourself you go out and be with
people that is the avoidance of it rather than being by yourself until it becomes comfortable and

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then you can do either and there's no avoidance of anything and no danger right because if you're
hanging out with people to avoid being by yourself now that becomes a need now all of a sudden you're
acting different to keep people around now all of a sudden you're changing your behavior in order to
continue avoiding that isolation so now you're becoming a people pleaser without even meaning
to now all of a sudden you're going into toxic relationships without even meaning to and it's

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all based on that that initial avoidance right so yeah the best thing you can do for everybody is to
be good being you by yourself and then bring that to them so they can be good being them
with you as company right but we often try and make it like if we're just together we can we can
ride this out together we're in this together it's like we are and we're not we're in this together

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in that we're all on this planet sharing this this tapestry right but you're in this on your own in
that you are solely responsible for your impact you are solely responsible for the ripples that
you make it and then the internal experience that you cultivate so as soon as we take responsibility
for that then all of a sudden we can have an army of individuals being indivisible

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yeah certainly and even thinking of the situation like at the at a party if you're you know in
a group of people talking to people whatever and then all of a sudden you know people start walking
around having other conversations and you're by yourself all of a sudden that will inflict extreme
fear and anxiety and worry because you're by yourself you're wondering how people are thinking

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about you because all of a sudden you're by yourself so you immediately you know try and latch
on to some other conversation or you know slide yourself in somewhere else as opposed to just
being there with nothing to hold on to nothing to defend nothing to hide nothing to gain and just
being there and and i think people subconsciously you know see that in people they can tell

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if someone by themselves is fine by themselves or they are extremely uncomfortable by themselves you
can almost feel it in a way you absolutely can feel it we talked about this previously about
how even just the human heart sends out uh a measurable wave for up to two meters right and
the heart rate is constantly changing based on on our psychological and our emotional state and so

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i mean we walk into a room and we wonder why we feel a vibe it's like well we're getting pounded
by other people's heartbeats and waves like we have some degree of sensitivity to that right
so we absolutely do have the the capacity to build that sensitivity to where other people
are in their head and i know it's something that i've i have focused on on honing over

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my lifetime um to the point where within a few minutes of a conversation i can typically
i can feel whether or not that person is trying to self-suit or whether they're actually there
with me and for their own reasons and and that is something that see people would call this being
an empath but i i i don't because that's another label that can quickly become self-defining and

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then all of a sudden you're an empath and other people aren't and then it just creates everything
is a spectrum everything is gradations of change right so the more you're willing to surrender your
idea of yourself the more sensitivity you have for the world as it actually is because you're not
reinforcing an illusion that is only in your mind you're actually in the world right so
that's not so much being an empath so much as just not building up walls around you that block

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you from experiencing life right but yeah i've had many many people of that mindset who have
come up to me and it's it's at first it used to amaze me now it's just kind of funny um within a
few minutes they're like oh i don't get any icky feelings from you or it's like oh i feel like i
can totally tell you everything people have said this numerous times i feel like i've known you

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forever and and it's just because there's no walls there's no there's no me making it awkward there's
no need to create that conflict and so i'm just flowing with them in whatever state they're in and
as a result it becomes easier to talk to me right but people can feel when you're bringing yourself
into the conversation whether they realize it or not like you watch sometimes if somebody who

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is particularly selfish goes into a conversation where a bunch of people are just chilling shooting
the breeze everybody just shuts down and it's like that's interesting because it's it's bringing in
a totally different energy into that flow and it's causing the entire environment to change
yeah that that last thing you said made me think of this situation uh maybe a month ago i got uh

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dinner uh it was at a bar so it was very casual with a few of my college friends i think it was
six of us who all played on my baseball team and um there was a girl or two girls who saw
us and it was after we had been there for a while and they just like wanted to talk to us but they

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like we we we all live in new york but we don't see each other all the time it's not
like my super close friends so i haven't i haven't seen a lot of them since before the pandemic and
he's this girl comes over and starts having this conversation like talking about herself
in with us and we're all like looking at each other like holy [ __ ] [ __ ] is this actually

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happening right now and you know i was i was like responding to her but kind of like letting
her know that this is ridiculous that she is doing this right now so we were like you know being nice
but half of half of them just like stopped like being involved in the conversation at all and then

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it took a while for her to like catch on the how and i think maybe she i think she was a little bit
drunk and she had you know this she probably like mustered up some confidence to come over
and then felt a little bit uncomfortable because you know we were talking about stuff
that she wasn't you know couldn't insert herself into that so she kind of like created her own

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conversation and it was it was ridiculous but it was very much that sort of situation
yeah it's i'm going to bring my idea of intima of myself into this because that's where i establish
my value and it always it always feels off it's funny i i reposted an old tic talk video

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today where it was something along the lines of you know there is no problem or there's
nothing wrong with self-validating except that it reinforces the reason you think you need to
and it's because you are validating your fiction of yourself
you're maintaining your reliance on your idea of who you are as a measure of your value so yeah

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you can still validate you can go and you know i'm worthy i'm valuable i i you know and all of that
but as soon as you do you're relying on that idea of yourself again and yeah all of that's true but
you don't need to think about it you can actually just embody it by moving forward you don't have to
self-validate a value that is beyond question and beyond measure then it's almost like you rely on

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that action as opposed to be it's like an action on top of being so that you need now in order to
feel good about being whereas you can just you know cut it out and just be absolutely there's no
lack until you try to fill the hole right as soon as you try to fill the hole you've made a hole

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yeah so a question that has uh it's probably gonna rattle my own cage a little bit but i've
almost been like i think i'd know you have a stance on this and it's something that i with
gratitude and is that a form of self validation in that way can it be whereas you are yeah okay

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yeah i meant to bring that up because i'm like i know rey is has a stance on this and part of
he like doesn't want to hear it because it's been like a part of videos i post but like i know it's
there and like it's better for me to know that you know well let's think about it like so you went
out the other night and you were just sitting there kind of grooving as to where you were

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the state that you were in were you deliberately thinking about things to be grateful for
no and how did you feel did you feel pretty stoked to exist
yes and it had nothing to do with any cerebral action for any conceptual
thing to be grateful for or for you being grateful for a certain thing there was none of that
it was just the experience of being that is way beyond gratitude that goes that goes beyond

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being grateful for what i have to the genuine recognition that what i am with my reality is
exactly what i meant to be and that is not about gratitude so much as just alignment and and
surrender right and we describe that emotion as gratitude we describe that emotion as enthusiasm
we describe that emotion as peace right but those are all just words for the same state of being

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that is everything that we want to aspire to when we're lost in our mind
and is only we're only capable of feeling when we can recognize that our mind is just an illusion
yeah yeah it's almost like it's it's something besides being that you're relying on like it's
another action it's another idea it's another concept it's another you know practice that

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i think i think there's you know i think there's levels to it as we've talked about like if you are
deep in the [ __ ] of anxiety and worry and depression like incorporating some gratitude into
your life maybe a way that you start like climbing those rungs but there comes a point where you are

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you you kind of like take off the training wheels or you know you graduate from certain
things and i think there are things like gratitude and meditation that are awesome
tools for people sort of climbing their way out of the [ __ ] and then eventually they
are out of it and then it's like they are able to set that aside and embody be that embodiment be

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that manifestation of what is and they don't have to rely on concepts or ideas anymore yeah that's
it you're building it everything changes according to to where we are in our journey right so
um back in 2010 i wrote an ebook called the seven stages to limitless living i actually just posted
it on our website for a few bucks and it's uh it's available to our patreon supporters for free but

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in that i discuss exercise called balancing and essentially it's for when you're first starting
in this when you're digging your way out of your mind and and your habits and your emotions and all
that so if you tend to be a negative person look at the positive reflection of that perspective
just just to acknowledge that it exists and that from the perspective or from the point of view of

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somebody who's in that perspective it's completely valid but the same is true if you tend to be too
positive if you're positive all the time look at the other perspective look at the negatives look
at what could go wrong as well as what could go right and the reason is so that we you don't rely
on one side or the other for a sense of certainty for a sense of stability for a sense of who you

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are you start to question it and as a result you start to gain more context in your journey
and you start to gain more clarity about how one side affects the other side so you can walk
in the middle so you can actually practice that that neutrality that lies between one
side and the other but it is a journey where if you are lost in darkness yeah you need to start
looking for the light a little bit you know but the same is true if if you're so committed to

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the love and light side of things that the very idea of negativity or argument actually
sets you like makes you uncomfortable then you should go and explore that side as well because
they're both valid perspectives of what is in that they are illusions of what is they're just
perspectives right so if you're if you're going to rely on perspective for truth and you're in deep

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[ __ ] so you may as well just start balancing out you know the recognition that both sides are valid
from the perceiver's perspective yeah i think i think i came across a video once where you said
being positive all the time is just being negative about being negative or something
i i really like that because i think there comes a point where yeah you're so positive and there

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are people out there that just kind of make you uncomfortable a little bit when they're so
positive about everything it's like like you kind of like want to knock on them and be like
you know is there anything you know of substance in there are you just kind of regurgitating
things that you hear all the time and i feel like there's got to be 99 of the time with those people

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like some deeply suppressed things in there like some some one of my friends came up with the term
dsi for deep-seated insecurity and so he casually says that when someone's you know you know acting
a certain way it's very insecure he's like oh they have they just have some dsis like it's it's all
good like it's it's okay but yeah i think i don't know do you think there are people who are just

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that positive all the time i i'm sure there's some but i feel like a lot of them are just
it's just a mask of suppression when it's positivity it is it's all like
positivity is is um it only works so long as you're thinking about good and bad positive
and negative it doesn't work if you have any degree of clarity because as soon as you have

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any degree of clarity you realize that one side doesn't work without the other you can't in fact
experience happiness without experiencing sadness at some point that they just they go together and
so the people who are quote unquote positive are usually positive until things go completely
wrong and out of their control and then they just melt down and so a lot of their positivity goes

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it's either based on the level of security which is why often the really positive people are often
the people who are particularly comfortable or privileged for example um but there's also
the aspect of it where it's you know i'm just going to continue to tell myself these positive
things because it keeps me out of this deep dark dark hole that i would otherwise be in and so it

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becomes a balancing act to basically uh keep them away from their habitual self image see that's the
thing about being super positive is that you do that because of the other end of the teeter-totter
right like you need to do that otherwise you're going to be overwhelmed and i know because i did
that for years for years i would i would go really hard towards one thing or hard towards another

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thing i was always just a laser beam of focus but it was it wasn't just because i wanted to do that
thing or it wasn't just because i want to have the experience it was largely because i didn't want to
have the experience that i was having up until there right and so there's that that danger but
it wasn't until i stopped avoiding experiences it wasn't still until i stopped looking at things as
positive or negative where i started finding my own sense of clarity my own sense of enthusiasm

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and fulfillment and at that point that's when people started to regard me as a positive
influence but i wasn't trying to be positive i was only trying to embody the state of freedom
that i found myself in right because to me that that is really the only positive if you want to
look at that way but it's not a positive it's not a positive in that you're not always going

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to feel happy just because you're free you're not always going to feel excited just because you're
free sometimes you're going to feel challenged sometimes you're going to feel frustrated but
the difference is that when you're there you just don't take it as seriously it's just not
something that has the same pull on you so you're not trapped by it and that's very much the point
is just to get to the point where you realize that all of the influences within your mind

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are there but they're very much dictated by your your commitment to them and your focus on
it's almost like positivity can become a resistance to what is in a lot of ways you know
you can go through something and like it's okay if it's if it's tough you don't you know if you
a lot of times if you if you feel like you have to make it turn it into something positive it's

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like you're just suppressing what you're feeling or what is in a lot of ways and and i've posted
videos where you know i talk about good or bad and you know there's one video i made um that got
ended up getting a lot of views about you know the rain and how everyone says it's horrible when it's
raining and it's like no that's just a perception you know there is no good and bad so you don't

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have to say so horrible when it rains and i had a lot of people commenting things like don't listen
to this it's suppressing your emotions and i'm like all right don't read too deep into
it it's just rain like come on but it's like no like don't suppress your emotions like if you
feel a certain way that's okay but just be wary of the labels you assign to things saying that

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it is truth like saying rain is objectively bad like no it's not it's rain it's not
objectively bad it just is and that's a label you are applying to it but then how can i blame people
right how can i blame things for my state of mind and that's it like i was talking to to somebody i
say talking but then he removed all of the video responses that he had done to me because you know

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that's just that's how you know your arguments sound um essentially he became triggered by
my address video and then he he blamed me for triggering him and and my response
was you know like whether you're triggered by me is kind of up to you and he said ah
you know there's your classic narcissist response you know invalidating my feelings and it's like no

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you have every right to feel triggered by by me or anybody else just don't make the assumption it's
the only emotion at your disposal just don't make the assumption it's the only emotional response
that's appropriate here it's just the emotional response that you're the most comfortable with
or the most familiar with or that gets you the furthest in terms of avoiding certain things

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right but it doesn't mean that it's the only emotional response and that sense of
responsibility is where things start getting murky for people but people would prefer to stick to one
side or the other in a lot of ways like we we just want rules that's all we want we just want things
to be black and white this is what a narcissist does this is what an empath does right so i made

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a video the other day saying that one of the most common narcissistic behaviors is to call someone
else a narcissist well immediately people started responding the first response was well you're just
giving narcissists an excuse right it's like am i or am i catching a narcissist who uses that and

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making them think am i the narcissist and have a moment where they actually have a day and that's
what happens when people started getting triggered because they just want to label people narcissists
and it's like well do you have any education in that disorder do you have any actual credentials
to allow yourself to diagnose other people as a narcissist or are you using it to sue the hurt
so you're just throwing a label out and focusing on yourself which is narcissistic

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right and so it's not black and white you have to question yourself all the time you can't
just label other people right before you take the b or the spec out of somebody else's eye
look at the beam in your own right that was the whole point of that is nothing's black
and white you can't just label other people and not look for the behavior in yourself

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it's it's never black and white and that actually brought up two different realizations i had on
uh my saturday trip one being about uh priests and religion and suppressions of
innate our innate human desires to essentially to procreate and the other one was questioning

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things that people tell you is the truth which is essentially all religions is just
[ __ ] that someone else told you is the truth it's not like when someone starts telling a
story of a religion as being truth like i don't i think a hundred percent of the time someone else

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told them that that was the truth and my whole thought was like holy [ __ ] like just question
that just quite like why are you so apt to believe it and i understand it and we've talked about this
it's fear of you know the unknown fear of death you know wanting to settle on an answer for things

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like it it makes sense but at the same time like how are you so quick to be like yep that's the
truth that sounds pretty good because literally it's somewhat just some other human being
telling you that it's the truth like and then yeah so i don't know we want to talk about that then we
can get into priests a little bit but absolutely but i did want to make uh just a mention here that

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it's not only true for religion but but scientism as well and that's not to say science
right because science is very different than scientism right you have the actual practice of
of the scientific method you have the practice of science which is you know looking at things
observation and then and then you know thesis based on observation but then you have scientism
which is like we've discovered something it feels really good and it sounds like the truth

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therefore we're just going to look at it and base everything else on it and so i mean that's that's
largely what happens is we get very comfortable with an idea regardless if it's a religious idea
or a cerebral or conceptual idea and then we just stop questioning it right and we stop questioning
it's like i was saying before you never question something that your authority is derived from

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right like you never want to question the truth that gives you power that gives you certainty
that gives you a validity right and so that that's the thing we're always working against and
it's something that you know spiritualists have criticized the scientific community for and the
scientific community has criticized the spiritual community for so i always find that kind of funny

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yeah that's something i've become much more comfortable with is questioning
and being okay with being wrong about certain things like i had um
some of my friends this weekend one of them is funny he's my old roommate and he he watches
all of my youtube videos and he doesn't even have instagram but he he watches tic tac and youtube

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and he watches like every minute of every youtube video and he was like quoting some things at it
and i was like oh man i love you but he was like andrew where's the crystal stuff like you brought
it up in a video like two months ago and then you like you just kind of never went back to it like
what's going on with that and i was like oh yeah that i i believe in that for for a minute and uh

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yeah it's like you know maybe rooted in some truth but i think it's gotten blown out of proportion
like most things and so i've just that idea of especially for me as i'm like have changed a
lot in my understandings of things and become more comfortable with questioning things and
the way they are i think i'm uh i don't want to say like a weakness but like something that

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i i i'm almost like quick to believe something and then sort of like
incorporate it into my life and then work through it and then realize like oh that's kind of [ __ ]
um so that you should think yeah that is something i've become much more comfortable with being okay
with being wrong about things and admitting things like and i have people who will say like don't be

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so passionate about stuff because like there have been things you're passionate about and
then you like change your mind about it i'm like that's that's what i do like i don't know why you
are so adamant on me being a certain way and that's i have expectations of you i'm really
trying to lean on you andrew and you're causing me some uncertainty can you just be consistent yeah

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yeah exactly like i have some less so friends but sometimes i find some uh family members uh will
say that and it's just very interesting and i found it very interesting especially recently
like the whole idea of an adult telling another adult how to live their life

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like i made a video about that last week it's just the more i think about it the more absolutely
ridiculous like beyond ridiculous it is that other like adults have opinions
on other adults lives like you have your whole own life like isn't that enough like isn't that enough
for you like why do you have to have your opinions on every other person's life out there it's funny

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we know that that behavior is toxic because if we play that behavior out long enough if we actually
take it and we we scale it up that becomes a dictator we know that that behavior is toxic
right that's that's the whole thing but uh you know because some of us want to participate in
that behavior ourselves we tend to justify it right like oh it's okay it's a little bit okay
to tell people what to do it's a little bit okay because you know it's in their best interest right

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so i used to find it funny when i was smoking cigarettes when i was younger
and people go you know what smoking's bad for you and i'd say yes i was telling people what to do
i saw that on in new york nearby sort of my neighborhood someone a dude was walking behind
another guy who was smoking a cigarette he was like stop smoking that cigarette cigarettes are

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bad for you and i was with one of my friends i was like oh my god i can't believe he's
like what is that dude accomplishing and we were having a conversation earlier about
um weighing the upside of getting into a certain situation or like the upside versus the downside
and i was like there is no upside there for that dude following that dude yelling at him about

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smoking cigs there is zero upside except for him you know portraying his opinion yeah like
it's it's crazy and to think that yeah like that like you just said telling someone else
what you do is also bad behavior like ah people people blow my mind all the time

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right yeah and it's it's really bad for you if you think about it think about the amount
of stress that goes into committing to the idea that you know what's best for people
yeah and then they don't listen to you right or or they do the opposite and you're constantly
in conflict what is that doing to your body what is that doing to your health
right like you think smoking's bad for you really yeah yeah so much un like unnecessary and added

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stress and and another uh that kind of reminds me of a different video i made a few days ago about
like there's nothing you have to do and we have all these ideas about you know what we have to
do as human beings mostly from society telling us certain things that you know we have to have
kids and a family like no we don't like that's a societal norm that we don't have to do but people

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have this idea that they do and maybe you know maybe deep down they don't want to or
even like you know we talk about how maybe you can't exactly know what you want but a lot of
people like have this idea of what they want and i think it's important to just question like is that
actually what you want or is that what society is telling you is the definition of success and
so you're working towards something that you don't actually even want at the end of the day and just

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questioning those things and realizing that you know there are no rules people love commenting
like oh well i have to pay taxes and it's like all right like you sure you can have that but like 99
everything else like this this is applicable to and even with well then i'll break laws
it's like most people aren't not doing what they want because they're afraid of breaking laws it's

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because they're afraid of standing out and being judged and and there aren't you know there aren't
those societal norms aren't rules they're just but they've almost become sorts of rules
i also i also find the cascade effect there very interesting because what we're saying is that all

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of these these these goals and these wants and these end results that we've been told have value
are are questionable and as we start to question those the little ones say like people's approval
of me right then all of a sudden the bigger ones start to become more questionable like
you know say taxes or or state laws things like that but you can't jump from one to the other
you can't just go from you know question you know your motivation to get in that relationship

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to down with the system like it's a big gap there um but the fact that we are starting to question
the little motivators you know the house the car the white picket fence the the wife and two and
a half children we're starting to question the motivator of you know retirement savings
or requesting the motivator of becoming you know rich and famous we're questioning

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all of these motivators and as a result our priorities and our relationships are changing
and that's going to lead us to increasingly change change and question the system that we're forced
to live within because the system is no longer going to match our mentality and this is what
i was saying earlier about how what we consider to be normal in our collective mentality changes

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over time and and so i'm very curious to see how this continues to shift as the new normal becomes
questioning the things we used to to to believe in wholeheartedly questioning the things that
we've been convinced to not question and that's what's happening i mean that's that's why there's
nothing the government can do that they're getting a positive response on there is nothing that the

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government can do where they're having a high approval rating don't you find that interesting
i find that super interesting that it doesn't matter which side they're trying to please anymore
everybody's pissed off everybody's unhappy because the system
is broken the system is toxic it doesn't work and so we're just watching our collective kind of

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fatigue with this and we're letting them kind of have their okay all right you're going to
save us all all right you do your thing prove it but year after year we're losing hope year after
year you're getting more and more kids if you greta toonberg or even my daughter who are going
don't you don't you adults think you should be taking this more seriously

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and the adults are going i'm not in control and the adults that are in control are going
oh don't worry we got this and that that game's going to run out soon yeah yeah certainly i saw
my my friend who's super into bitcoin sent me a video um it's uh you heard of michael saylor
um yeah he it was an interview that he did i think it was recent i was about an hour

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and a half but he started basically he didn't even talk about bitcoin he just talked about
inflation and the process of inflation and and how insane it is that inflation
first of all like inflation matches like the rise of the s p essentially and it's so it's like if
you keep your money in there you're basically just breaking even and then if you have it in something

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else if you have it in cash like you're basically just lighting money on fire all the time and so he
was talking about all of that and how you know you need to essentially find assets that are
gonna like uh expand or build more so than the s p 500 like you have to do better than that
just to make any money at all and then about halfway through he said or something like bitcoin

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that is deflationary and has a fixed number of assets and so he i think he invested a [ __ ] like
he has billions and billions of dollars through i think through his company and probably personally
as well in bitcoin but yeah it's it's crazy the idea that you know i don't i don't i don't get how

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like the fed prints or you know who whoever's printing all the money like how they print just
do it with thinking that it's not going to crash and burn or they just don't care well they're
they're enriching themselves right so the name of the game is how long can we keep the game going
so we can stay on top right so that comes back to like 1913 jekyll island right where they they

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formed the federal reserve behind close the doors um because before that money was created by the
government right so now we have the federal reserve and central banks that create money
and what i always find interesting because you don't really need to understand
the majority of how the economy works there's really just one point that that'll drive home
how stupid it is which is that all of the money in existence is printed and lent to the public

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at interest so if all of the money in existence is lent where do we get the interest
from the taxes no we have to keep borrowing more money that's the point right we have to keep
creating more money which creates more interest which is why the deficit continues to grow

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right which is why it will never end and we will continue to borrow more against the debt ceiling
we'll continue to print billion dollar coins or whatever the hell they're gonna do next
but it's because the game is rigged the game is essentially just meant
to maintain the illusion of stability for the people who are currently in power that's all it
is that's keynesian economics right pay people to dig holes pay other people to fill them in

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there's no value being created there i'm not kidding that's that's the economy of the united
states in the majority of the world it's not about creating value as opposed to where it was
say when the united states first started or even in the early 1900s
where the united states was wholesale creating things of value infrastructure things like that

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like those actually have value because it affects other people's lives but ever since that time the
federal reserve and everything else infrastructure has been continuously less of a priority
creating things less of a priority now we have a service industry which creates nothing of value
right and we're all just using money that's becoming less and less valuable as we go along so

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yeah it becomes harder on us while the people at the top continue to benefit from it it's like what
was that quote that inflation is an invisible tax yeah yeah it's it's wild because it's not i mean
they keep it under wraps pretty well i mean never knows about it but i don't know it's just like i
feel like something that's people are like oh yeah you know another thing it's just the way it is

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you know there's no it's just how it's always been and it's like i don't know until it's too
late it's until it's too late if you ever get a chance look up the weimar republic and look at
look what happened to them with mass inflation all of a sudden they were carrying wheelbarrows full
of cash for a loaf of bread i have i have heard of that i think unless there's like multiple things

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even down in the congo uh i think it was like eight ten years ago basically people were going
to pan for gold because it actually was costing them like milligrams of gold for a loaf of bread
that's how bad the money supply got and it's just because this is a game that consistently ends up

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in the same place it doesn't ever end well it never ends well the only time or the only reason
it's consistently stable is because the united states dollar has been the world reserve currency
and they've maintained the balance of power for the most part but now you have the chinese
government which are you know changing their own uh monetary policy and messing with the dollar
messing with the value of their own dollar you have all these other superpowers that are doing

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the same and so it's it's just a casino now i i've known many financial advisors and and and whatnot
who have said there is no stability anymore the illusion that we used to have 15 years ago that
they would advise people based on it's all just a crap shoot now it's just you're lucky if a company
doesn't go under or if you invest in a company and it's supposed to go under the government comes in

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and saves them with tax dollar taxpayer money so there is no free market anymore right and there
hasn't been in a while and so how can we have a system that accurately reflects us as a species
if the system isn't being affected by our behavior yeah that's a very good point i think
in this interview he also brought up even just something like bonds or something like

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that where he used to be able to you know put a million dollars in and basically get like 50
000 out a year from that and now it's like 10 or 20 million just to get 50 000 out and it's
like you know the everything barely covers inflation yeah yeah like the everyday person
you know there's there's a lot more people with a million dollars saved than 20 million dollars

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that's for sure but it's it's insane that it's happening like right before our eyes and people
aren't like they're not in armageddon it seems like it's it's like strange how kind how [ __ ]
up it is that they're doing hard to think of the big picture when we're busy trying to cover rent
yeah yeah right you're trying to keep a roof over your head and your kid's fed it's it's

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very difficult to start thinking about oh well you know look what the government's doing to my
freedom look what the government's doing to the economy oh look what's gonna happen to the value
of the dollar within five to ten years and we don't have time for this and and then they know it
that's the whole point right they've known it since the 30s we can juggle 30 to 35 things in
our head at any given time before we start having to actually do some triage and separate the

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things that aren't important so yeah they just keep us busy and more importantly they keep us
comfortable and distracted and give us all the things that that we would want to feel better
about the system that's causing us so much suffering
yeah like when you said it's it's tough to you know think about this stuff when you're trying to

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pay rent it's like the thing that we can't think about because people are worried about paying rent
is the thing that's causing people it's like such a [ __ ] up cycle holy [ __ ]
yep that's it absolutely and people often will write to me and ask how i'm so calm
about everything that's happening and there's there's a number of reasons i'm calm and

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the first of which is of course everything is transition everything is transition whatever it
is we're in right now might seem like it's going to last forever but the reality is
is that it's not and we don't know how long it's going to last or what it's going to
mean or how it's going to change the world we just don't know and that's always been true
so i don't worry for that um the the second thing is that it's very much like um you ever watch the

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lord of the rings or uh the hobbit have you ever seen the hobbit um i read the book a long time ago
there is this great moment in the movie you're gonna love it you know bomber the really large
dwarf in the hobbit right well he's sitting on it on on a bench and uh he's eating and he's eating
and the bench is creaking like it's just creaking and then his other his buddy he's like hey bomber

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and he just throws him like a single olive bomber catches the olive the whole bench just breaks and
falls through and everybody starts laughing right well when you look at the system right now you
can hear the [ __ ] creaking you can hear it and i'm just waiting for the olive right that's all
it is so i'm not worried because this doesn't have the stability to maintain its own weight

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it just doesn't like they we don't the mentality that was behind the creation of the the american
system especially was the mentality of you know this is our country we're going to do what we
want with it but that requires each and every person in that country to maintain that mentality
right and it's not just about oh you know every once in a while the tree of freedom's got to be

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you know watered with the blood of patriots that's all violence and [ __ ] but at the end of the day
it comes down to the fact that the tree of freedom needs to be continuously maintained by people who
are free in themselves i think that's the whole point is that if you can't say i'm all about
freedom let me line up to vote for this person that i don't get another save for four years

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that's not freedom right that is you just going ah they'll take care of it so i can be comfortable
freedom requires responsibility freedom requires accountability it requires you to be present and
aware you can't be free and unconscious and that's the thing is that our system very much promotes
unconsciousness it very much encourages us to get as comfortable as possible and just tune out the

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world and as long as we do that the system's just going to continue basically benefiting
itself which is just keeping itself alive that's all it knows how to do is just to keep itself
running and that's not enough for us as a species that's not going to get us anywhere
yeah yeah i think of when you mentioned the creaking bench i thought of the politicians coming

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out like talking about you know cryptocurrency and how bad it is for the environment it's like that's
what i picture as the creeks in the bench it's like this thing's unstable as [ __ ] right now
and it's gonna crumble it's just a matter of time and we'll uh we'll be here for it in one shape or
another but um wait wait wait social security wait wait all these boomers man i mean this is

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the thing is we don't have the infrastructure to take care of the amount of old people that
are just waiting to be taken care of we don't and so the system's like oh well you know we gotta we
gotta take care of the the social security moving forward they don't have the money they don't have
the income to pay that to pay those people to help them so they're gonna continue to change
the the rules and the regulations in the same way that they do for veterans in the military

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all of a sudden it's like oh well you know we haven't heard from you in three months
you didn't have this test so that's a quarter of your pension gone it's like what the hell
and and that's just how it goes because the system cannot carry its own weight there's
not enough not if all of the the people in power are continuing to enrich themselves
you can't continue to take care of everybody and enrich a small portion of the population

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like you can't take care of all the hungry people in the world and have an elon musk yeah
um so the other thing i want to bring up that i mentioned before was so my trip saturday got like
very much into our physicality and like our you know evolution from essentially monkey animals and

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everything just made a lot of sense with how we are made and the desires that we have
and you know a penis is a mushroom and it was so it was so funny how clear and like i i love like
you know talking like i have that sort of sense of humor and stuff too but it was uh it was very

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interesting so like some of the realizations that i had was just like how our innate desires make
so much sense like we're built to procreate and even like the way we are created with like you
know where things are and and so tying it into you know when things like that that our innate desires

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within us are suppressed it's almost like it's it's suppressed like for example with priests they
can't get married and they can't you know have sex and so like when they get suppressed like that
it's like no [ __ ] there's stuff like sliding through the cracks and there's [ __ ] up like you
can't just tell them they can't do those things and then it's like so they go start to i think

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everyone probably knows what i'm talking about with that and but it's like for them it's like oh
well as long as i confess right and it's it's like ruining people's lives but it's so interesting how
all of these things like even the way that we look and are created we're just like made

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to procreate and so it makes sense when you suppress it that [ __ ] up [ __ ] starts happening
yeah well then when you start cherry-picking who you want to procreate right like that that's the
whole thing like for uh catholicism it was like we want catholics to procreate we want
more catholics we don't want everybody else having children we want more catholics and that was their

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whole thing right but yeah you can't you can't suppress human nature and then just come up with
rules and discipline and expected everything to work out i mean that's the problem with the ten
commandments right like it's just it's like don't kill anyone well that guy's trying to kill me
right what am i supposed to do about that it's like well don't kill anyone else so i'm gonna die
i'm gonna leave the murderer here that that makes a lot of sense that that's good right so it's just

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it's it's like everything else we just want rules to follow and if all of a sudden i
come up to you i go hey you're going to be god's divine representative on this planet
but to do that you have to follow a certain discipline you have to be good enough you
have to be pure so you have to deny everything that's in your consciousness and follow these
[ __ ] rules right and and so it's like can't see how that's going to turn out badly in 10

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20 30 years where i'm in a position of power looking down at other people who trust me blindly
yeah i can't see how that's going to play out badly but again it comes down to you do
not question a structure that your authority is derived from so if all of a sudden you're being
promised you know to be the representative of god you're being promised you're going to lead the
masses towards the holy land all this other stuff you don't start you don't look at the consequence

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you don't look at how this might play out over time it's like we were talking about cars right
like car's a great invention should everybody own one should everybody have two per household no
no they shouldn't right but we don't question that because we're very very
caught up in the idea of driving over state lines to go and check out the local red flag
yeah it's yeah there's just so many things like that that just they don't get questioned

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and we've kind of settled into a way that things are and and people are comfortable so it's like
you know people who have the capacity to question it who are comfortable are
too comfortable to question it and those who aren't comfortable in this aren't comfortable

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so they have to work on getting comfortable so they can't question it so it's like
no one's questioning anything and then the ones who are who actually are like pulling the strings
they're benefiting greatly from this they're literally know what's happening and they're
they're allowing it to happen because they if if they start questioning it then that will you know

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undermine the fabric of their whole existence and thing and so it's like who who questions
it and it comes down to you know the individual and making the you know choice to question it and
wanting to question it because because you can see it clearly for what it is that's it right it's

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actually just the genuine recognition that that's all it is because you can get into questioning the
system as a fad and that's often what happens is that you start off questioning the system and then
you meet other people who are rebels against the system and they define themselves as anarchists or
define themselves in one way or another and then you end up joining that group and now you're just
promoting their system whatever that might be or you can maintain that constant questioning

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of whatever it is you're told is the truth of whatever it is that you're told is the way to be
so that way you are actually playing an active part in deciding what is to be for you right as
opposed to just following what other people should tell you to do but it really just comes down to
recognizing that the single part that we that we're missing in this culture

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is the personal accountability part the fact that we are the world we don't talk about that we talk
about our peace within the world we talk about our peace within the system we talk about our
role within other people's lives but we we very much ignore the fact that the government is the
way it is because we allow it to be right the church is the way it is because we allow it to
be you know priests are doing what they're doing because we allow them to and the law

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is blind because we created it that way and so in order for us to do anything about those things
we have to be willing to take it on ourselves to do it but right now we still have that mentality
of oh well you know if this person went to school for a number of years obviously they're
educated and they can do it and then you know and all that it's like right but now you're trusting
in the education system which is still toxic which is still twisted by a certain mentality

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so as much as you can be educated being educated by itself does not mean that you have clarity
and we know this from the amount of people who went to school for political science or went to
school for uh in psychology or to be a counselor or anything else just because you're educated that
doesn't equate to self-awareness right and so we have to promote self-awareness we have to alter

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our system or alter our conversations individually because the system's going to change as a result
to talk about awareness to talk about uncertainty to talk about these things because that's what's
going to change us as a person individually as we change ourselves right and so that's why i'm
always encouraged when i see you know you the people that come to us on our patreon page the
people that message us after listening to this or or the messages i get from people saying you

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know i just binged your entire show and it's like wow that's like 16 17 hours that's a lot of time
right and the only reason that you would do that is because this conversation
is one that you want to have that you can't find and it's because it's difficult to find right now
but it's becoming easier to find it's becoming easier to get involved with these conversations

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but at the same token as always you have to watch out for the wolves in sheep's clothing you have to
watch out for those who talk of god but preach division you have to talk you have to watch out
for the fads and the identities and all of these these uh coping mechanisms and way to ways to feel
better so it's a minefield until you you get your stride until you find your clarity and then all of

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a sudden everything's just super clear as andrew was saying earlier it just becomes almost too easy
yeah and when it comes to like the uh education and learning about things that comes back to
that thing i was talking about earlier just like believing what someone tells you as opposed to
it's like we're taught what to think and we're not taught how to think or or not taught to you

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know question our perception of ourselves or question much really we're just taught to you
know sit down and learn and memorize and take a test and you know get a piece of paper and then
go make money for a while and then you know just relax and and die and uh yeah oh i i thought of a
story another thing that happened this weekend and uh when you talk about it comes back to

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the individual this was a little bit of like an uncomfortable situation for me it was actually
um saturday night when i was out with my friends was we went to bounce around to a
couple bars and we came to one and uh so i was still you know like gone on mushrooms
for through pretty much through the whole night i don't know i felt like i was on him for 12 hours

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um obviously less of a degree than i was initially but so i was waiting in the bathroom line to go to
the bathroom and it was kind of a long line there were only two individual bathrooms and there was
six people in line and a black woman came up to me and said can i cut you and i was like uh

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you're kind of and she's like before i really said anything you know to make up for the patriarchy
and i was like oh man you're kind of putting me in a uncomfortable position here you see that right
and i was like you're kind of like taking advantage of me a little bit and she's like
oh like men take advantage of women i was like oh goodness gracious like i'm not feeling this right

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now and um i was like all right tell me this if if you were in my shoes if you were me and i were
you would you let you go she was like yeah i would i was like all right go ahead and it was like it
was such a and there were people behind me and we realized uh after like i don't know we were just

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like bouncing around to different bars and this was a predominantly there was mostly black people
in this bar and you know the guy behind me was was basically like [ __ ] that [ __ ]
and he was like a black guy and he's like [ __ ] that man like sorry how to deal with that that's
like thanks man it's like it's whatever it's not a big deal because i also was like to this

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woman i was like you're also cutting all these people and she's like yeah okay and
and it just came back to and it's always like you know when you have a conversation
and you think of things you could have said on top of it afterwards like afterwards i was like
thinking like this mentality of judging me and sort of like taking advantage of me for how i look

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is the same exact mentality that got us into this [ __ ] and it's like what albert einstein
said like you can't solve a problem on the same level that the problem was level of consciousness
the problem was created on i was like that's the same exact thinking and it has been for
a lot of the things going on at least in the us for the past year is like the you know

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making up for the past actions of people that all many of them are not alive and it's not to
say i'm not saying at all that you know there's no racism whatsoever like it definitely is out there
for sure but like having this mentality of making up for it by making people who look a certain way

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you know ask forgiveness for things that they haven't done it's like it's such a group
think mentality and like us versus them and it's just perpetuating this idea of identity and how
people look and judging people for how they look instead of you know the content of their
character and who they are and it was it so that situation it reminded me of like

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it's how we act as individuals and so that was like just the situation that
it was like i'm like whatever like i don't feel like dealing with this right now but at
the same time i was like [ __ ] this and it's a tricky situation right like it's because

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on the one hand yeah there's there's been a long history of uh patriarchal abuse right and on the
other hand yeah there's been a long history of racial abuse and yeah there is there is in fact
a a systemic element of racism for sure it was founded that way i mean i'm not going to deny
any of that at all which is why i work so very hard to not identify as caucasian as male as

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being anything better than anybody else's why i work so hard not to identify in general so to me
that's how i solve the problem and if somebody comes up to me and they do as they did with you
it's like if there is no right answer because you can make the stand
and say like you know i'm not contributing to that i mean you know i'd be happy to help you if you

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didn't come up and immediately make assumptions about me like things like that right like things
like that or you know if you were in my position would you let me go first yes perfect then let me
go first you know things like that just but there that person's already wound themselves up to make
this argument because it's in their best interest because she wants to go to the bathroom right so
the argument's not actually being brought to you with any degree of sincerity or authenticity it's

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being very much used as leverage to get what that person wants right and and on that token
you can't complain either because we did the same [ __ ] for hundreds of years our culture
did right so i mean it's a very tricky tricky discussion to have with anybody who who's a person
of color or anybody who's a minority anybody who's been oppressed because on the one token

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we are doing what we can to not be the kind of person that oppressed them or oppressed
their culture or their ancestry we're working as hard as we can but they don't know that
right what they've been taught is that making assumptions about a group of people is just how
this society works generalizing call you know a whole segment of society is just how society

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works and if they've done it to me then i'm going to do it to them because that makes sense and
unfortunately yeah it ends up it ends up with us just going in circles going in circles and and so
it can be a very difficult conversation to have but there's also the recognition that some people
are coming from a place of hurt and some people are coming from a place of healing right the

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person who's coming from a place of healing is much more likely to to question that assumption
before they make it about you to give you the chance to show what kind of person you are to
talk to you right whereas the person who's going through hurt is going to lash out from that hurt
they're going to make assumptions about you based on the people who hurt them and so it's it's so
difficult to have this conversation you have to have empathy to some degree but on the other hand

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choose your bat and choose your battles or in this case choose your bathrooms in which case you know
i gotta go you're gonna wait that's just how it's how it's gonna be and then you can blame the
patriarchy if you like or you can blame the fact that it says men's bathroom or the fact that i'm
in line it doesn't really matter this is what's happening yeah yeah and then it was kind of funny
because i was talking before about when i was at uh the party earlier in that night like talking

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to someone and then there was like more to say and i just kind of sat there and i kind of feel
that uncomfortability so after she i let her go ahead of me the bathroom wasn't open yet so she
was standing next to me in line and i could feel her uncomfortability because i didn't really like
delve into her thing and i just kind of like let her do it but also made her question like how she

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went about it and how like she i think she kind of realized it so she actually after i think it
probably was only like five seconds she was like and i'm sorry for blaming the patriarchy on you
i was like it's all right like i'll be fine there it is though right that that's it i didn't really
it wasn't really something i needed to do but in the short term it allowed me the leverage i needed

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to get what i want and and that's unfortunately the reason that this continues to be toxic
right and if we can get out of that if we can actually start looking at each other as a species
and take our progression as a species seriously then we would have a very different discussion
right but right now we're still we're still trying to soothe hurts that are continuing to be caused

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i think that's the hard part about this right it's very difficult to have a conversation where we
as a species can get past this ridiculousness of racism for example when there are so many people
in positions of power being racist and causing harm right so how do you how do you say well yeah
there's them and then there's us right you can't and it just comes down to the fact that just your

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authenticity will show itself like just being in that lineup not making a big deal about it just
making the decision like yeah whatever okay just go to the bathroom whatever you got to do right
and not getting all upset about it not making a giant stand but just pointing out like yeah
you kind of using that to your advantage right all of a sudden that had an impact that person
actually had to stop and and deal with why do i feel uncomfortable oh because i was being a dick

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and they had to think about it right and then they looked at you and there was a degree of
humility as they had to admit that they used that for their own self-serving purposes but
that wouldn't have happened had you argued that wouldn't have happened had you made a stand based
on your own ego and that that's what i mean by there is this natural transition that's happening
as a result of our internal change i find that so funny i would love to know what that girl did

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with the rest of her night i would love to know the conversation she had with
the rest of the weekend because they were altered however slightly by that experience
yeah certainly yeah it was yeah it's just like it's such a little thing and we were talking again
before about like you know upside of discussions like what is the upside of getting into this is

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there any upside whatsoever and just like getting into anything in that situation like i was able to
kind of be on my feet and say get a couple things in there just enough i think to get her to realize
that she's being a little bit ridiculous but without you know anyone blowing up or anything
and i certainly you know wasn't going to do that in that situation but you know everyone else

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in line saw the interaction too and they're like what the hell is that like [ __ ] that [ __ ] and
but you were you weren't really patient about it you were you you did the you know the best you
could you were as patient and empathetic as you could be about it but you weren't so invested in
getting your own way that you had to make a stand and that altered everything it's just like sitting
in your room with your friends who are you know tripping with you your thoughts your your being

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energetically changes everybody around you it really does it's very difficult to see but if
you ever want to experiment with it then i highly encourage you one day when you are
tripping by yourself just go and sit in a coffee shop one day just just sit down
by yourself in a coffee shop and just listen to the conversations around you
as you sit there focusing on your state of being all the conversations start to change

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they start to just shift very slightly away from like superficial things to more emotional things
to more insightful things to more questions about you know the world around us it's a
really interesting thing to watch and it's not because you're causing it so much as that you've
brought your energy into the environment and that's caused the environment to shift
yeah yeah that is something that might be my next maybe i'll give that a shot next weekend

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or the following we'll see but that sounds very interesting and because i do really enjoy
because a lot of times i'll walk around and i'll just listen to i'll be more perceptive to
conversations going on and just notice little things about it and i'm like that's
like that's an interesting thing such an interesting thing to say

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is usually what i think that's my favorite word interesting drives my wife nuts right it's like
it's worthy of interest it doesn't mean it's positive or negative it's just worthy of interest
yeah i love responding especially to like comments on instagram or tick tock because even you know i
posted some like mid-trip videos and i had some comments people like oh this is you know oh

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mushrooms are becoming this guy's personality like i'm i'm over this and or um like this is kind of
funny but like lay off the shrooms a little bit and i responded like what an interesting demand
like because that's what it was and it's like who the [ __ ] are you to tell me what to do with that
and like to think that you have my best interest in mind for that and i had someone else who was

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um on a live uh maybe last week talking about mushrooms and how you know i shouldn't do so
much blah blah or something around that and i was like or they were talking about like downsides and
i was like you sound like someone who has never done mushrooms have you ever done mushrooms and
they responded like i've never tried them but like i've heard things and i was like that's exactly

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what i thought and it's so funny how people just again pushing their you know demands or
perceptions of who you are onto you and it's like i it just doesn't make it i don't get it
i don't actually know but it's not something i do so you're not validating me stop that right i
always find that funny or they'll say like well you shouldn't be doing that it's like oh well

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don't stop there tell me what i should do with the rest of my day let's schedule this out you know
if you're gonna what should i have for breakfast tomorrow come on you know and it's just because it
becomes ridiculous oh well you don't have to throw that attitude it's like it's not an attitude if
you think about it it's what you're doing you are initiating a demand on my life so why stop there
let's let's make it a full-out demand for the rest of my days otherwise stop wasting my and your time

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yeah it is crazy too and even like you know talking to anyone about it with because mushroom
and part of the reason that i make videos about it and i'm pretty [ __ ] open about it is because i
am i think it's there is such a huge stigma and for someone even like a lot of people talk about
you know maybe someone in sports like when a person like tiger woods he he gave hope to a lot

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of people who looked similar to him i'm not saying that i am like being tiger woods of mushrooms but
i think there's a lot of people who you know are in like look like me or grew up like me and they
deal with things like anxiety and depression even though if you look at it like big picture

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they have nothing to be anxious or depressed about like they have very comfortable lives
but they still do and i think it's very prevalent in our society and i think that the suppression
of substances like this has been a part of the mental health crisis that we are now seeing and
i think it's maybe taken some years and you know people blame social media

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and all that stuff and it's like there's you know levels to anything and there's different sides of
you know social media and whatever but i think part of it is potentially the suppression of these
substances so part of the reason that i am open about this is to show people like you know this is
what it looks like when someone's on mushrooms and you're telling me this is [ __ ] illegal like what

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like this is a high dose too and it's like i'm laughing and talking about how ridiculous
the internet is and how funny the internet is like what yeah and you're not hurting anybody
right but it's not just the mental health crisis but i mean i i largely think that the majority of
the problems with our system but the way that we govern our species is largely due to the lack of

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psychedelics that were used by by the leaders of the past the lack of psychedelic use within our
culture over time that's been minimized as we've wiped out more and more tribal society and we've
become more and more invested in this hierarchical structure mostly european we've walked away from
psychedelics because as you know when you are in a psychedelic experience none of that [ __ ] makes

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any sense like all of a sudden you find yourself in a state you're like i don't want to rule people
i want to hang with that person and so it all falls apart and and so yeah i largely think that
because that that mentality is not very useful to the ego it isn't very useful to that controlling
mentality it's been largely just shunned and avoided and made illegal as a result and we

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focused on alcohol instead which we all know how good of a benefit that's had on society right so
but again alcohol keeps you physical alcohol keeps you in a certain mentality that is not
overly insightful right in large doses small dose is a little bit different i mean there's
a reason alcohol used to be called spirits right like it wakes up your spirit a little bit and
reduces your uh your inhibitions and allows you to speak a little bit more freely but that's a

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very narrow window before it becomes sloppy and stupid right whereas in psychedelics it's a very
different thing it's it's you stripping your soul bear and then realizing oh right i totally forgot
i was wearing all that extra [ __ ] and then all of a sudden you're in a different state
of mind and you're looking at things with with actual clarity with actual priority like all of

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a sudden it doesn't make sense to you to want to feel better than your neighbor when you and your
neighbor could be working together to create a backyard barbecue that you both benefit from like
that that's exactly the mentality that comes from that state of mind right it's like you know but we
could be doing cool [ __ ] not you know but what about me right it's a totally different mentality
and so i think that a large part of what you're doing in normalizing this again for your age

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range for your demographic and and in social media just normalizing the use again and showing that
this isn't necessarily the harmful thing everybody thinks it is is inspiring more people to continue
to try stuff like that it's inspiring people at least to question the narrative that they've
been told about this stuff like i said before you know it's like oh well the government says it's
bad for me therefore it's bad for me well all of a sudden you know people like you who have grown up

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going through the system's idea of what of a good life is coming out the other end going yeah and i
wasn't really content and then i started exploring all this stuff and you know what yeah i'm feeling
way better that all of this promise didn't do this all the [ __ ] all these hoops i jumped
through just didn't do it right and so everybody else who's still either jumping through hoops or

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have jumped through all the hoops and they're 10 years in wondering why they're still not happy
are able to suddenly get exposed to something it's like wow that guy's giggling for no reason
he's not causing any harm whatsoever and he's just sitting in his house alone it cost him five bucks
you know like that that that's a big message and i think that it goes towards the the collective
change that we've been talking about this whole time um before we go any further i just want to

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make some announcements because i always forget until the end of the episode and i know that these
episodes get very long uh on december 8th from 6 p.m to 7 p.m eastern time that'd be this wednesday
we are doing another free live group zoom chat um you can register at dualisticunity.com it's
completely free we're going to have some more giveaways i'm going to be giving out another
50-minute one-on-one life coaching session with me we're going to give away another copy of our

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social anxiety series and of course we're just going to have a great conversation so
if you can join us we would love to see you there december 15th the wednesday following
we have our exclusive patreon live stream where we will be talking to our patreon supporters directly
in in a group zoom chat just like the one we're doing this wednesday except it's a much smaller

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group you can actually get on to the zoom chat with us face to face ask questions and we just
shoot the breeze for like an hour and a half it's a lot of fun so if you want to join that
just go to our patreon page you can become a supporter for five dollars a month or more
and then season two is coming up so we're going to be doing a q a episode for season one coming up in

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the next few weeks here if you have any questions that you would like us to address based on the
content that we've done in season one definitely leave it in any of the comments sections on any of
our youtube videos or contact us on social media and we'll try and include your question in the q a
yeah those uh those zoom calls have been or the the one we've had and then the patreon one we've

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had are a lot of fun like i'm really excited to start incorporating more of those into our weekly
schedules essentially that we've built up here um but yeah it was a great conversation last
week and i'm looking forward to the one uh this wednesday as well season two is gonna be epic
um we've been talking about season two as we as we move through season one

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and what we've noticed is that this conversation that we've been having episode to episode has been
really good in terms of it being an organic flow uh in the same way that
our evolution as an individual is kind of in the same uh pathway in terms of questions and answers
and exploring new topics and new perspectives and getting gaining some clarity and so season two
is going to be a bit of an expansion we're going to try and bring more people

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into this conversation we're going to try and build this wave we'll get more into the details as
season one progresses but just for everybody who's interested season two is coming up in january it's
going to be epic if you haven't subscribed to us on youtube yet definitely do yes yeah very excited
for that um so when we were talking before about like psychedelics and normalizing it more so and

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something interesting that i've come across is you know people do have the stigma
and i know that there are people certainly or you know i do know because i've been told it
had judged me for you know doing them and like you know doing them too much or whatever even though
you know i i micro dose here and there um like a couple times a week and then i'll trip i don't

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know it's been every couple weeks um and yeah it's interesting how because like when i was in college
i drank all the time you know it was it was like a very regular thing to do um every weekend at least
twice a week to get you know get drunk basically like and no one ever had any concerns then

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like no one ever had any concerns my parents there was a point i think maybe freshman year
where i was explaining how you know people don't have three beers and they go out and i know you
guys didn't either and they were like having 10 beers in a night like that's crazy and i was like
everyone does that whatever but like besides that no one ever showed any concern for people drinking

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all the time and like we know that's very bad for you and and for the general population i
know there hasn't been necessarily enough a ton of like research into psychedelics but there are
arguments being made that they are not only not bad for you but actually good for you and with

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alcohol like there's nothing that's ever been proven to be good about that whatsoever and so
when i post these things like i have no issue with it because like there are people who have entire
tic tac accounts about like drinking and they show themselves drinking and shotguning stuff all the
time and they talk about it and blah blah blah and then it's like just because the government

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said we don't want people doing psychedelics there's this stigma and so if i were to
you know say i tripped like once a week like on every single saturday i did people would be like
oh my gosh that's like he's a shroom head and he's you know like i'm concerned about him

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and then the other part which i've had to explain to people close to me is like sure maybe you have
known people in your past like growing up people who grew up in the 60s 70s there were people who
people became you know the sort of deadhead generation where you know they they weren't
really doing a whole lot except for drugs all the time and a bunch of different drugs all the time

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and it's like you can't compare me to them like i have a full-time job that i work every week i
you know graduated college like did all these things i do i have you know two podcasts post
content like you can't compare those two lies they're like oh we're concerned it's like

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what about my life is can could possibly be concerning to you it's like besides doing
this substance here and there that the government decided was illegal because that's the only thing
that you're concerned about oh you were you were doing fine you were doing great
right up until the mushrooms then it all just went to [ __ ]

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right up until then though good job right and that's just that's just how it goes bill hicks
said it besties like you know and they're kind of funny that that the drugs that are
good like tobacco and alcohol are taxable drugs and the drugs that aren't are not taxable drugs
right it's so true i mean like look at cannabis now all of a sudden cannabis is now being taxed

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by the government everybody's like cannabis it's changing the economy it's good for mental health
yeah it has been forever like it's nothing's changed except that the powers that be have
suddenly said oh we can make money off of this yeah therefore it's good now
all right and that's going to continue to happen that's what and and that's i think

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they need more money we've discussed how this system is tanking and they're going to continue
to try and find more ways to profit they're going to continue to try and find more ways
to basically you know siphon us dry because that's what they do right they
get us to commit to a system that has all of these benefits and the benefit for them is
that they continue to just milk us of all of our value and time in life right and so now they're

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running out of things to make money on so they have to legalize cannabis and then shortly after
that they're going to start legalizing you know psilocybin mushrooms and i mean there's
which state is i think it's washington state is it basically just decriminalized all drugs
straight up i think washington or oregon oregon maybe yeah yeah it's like yeah
yeah why not why wouldn't you do that oh well because we don't we don't trust people to be

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responsible it's like right but you trust them on alcohol yeah which is way worse by any means
i mean the only thing that's going to happen from somebody you know eating some mushrooms or
smoking a joint and getting in their cars they're going to sit there looking at the steering wheel
wondering what the ticking noise is that's all it is they're not going to leave and if they
do they're going to be driving at like 5k an hour going down and going down the road like

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there's a very different thing and you can't look at somebody on mushrooms and go
oh well they're a danger to other people they can barely move around like they're
good to go they just want to sit there staring at the wall just leave them alone right whereas
alcohol brings out the worst in people you want to get people into an angry mood give them alcohol
and so it just comes down to what is in the system's best interest and up until recently

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it's been whatever keeps us dumb whatever keeps us numb and keeps us working and keeps us basically
conflicted with each other because that's that keeps us reliant on the system right if we were
to ever start working together if we were to ever collectively find a mentality where we
could recognize each other as being an extension of one another the government would become useless
yeah yeah i've even had conversations with people even just like about weed which i i

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never like smoke that much but i do here and there with friends and and their arguments are like
well it makes people lazy it's like what like when when did that become your concern
that other people like what if someone's just lazy like why do choosing to

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have a substance that relaxes you and kind of settles you down and maybe makes you feel like
you don't have to you know be a part of the rat race and climb the ladder so much like
why is that a concern to you like you're not even you know a politician like why do you care about
that and it's like that's the argument and i'm like that's a horrible horrible argument like

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that makes no sense at all how can you even say that because the slaves aren't performing
right that's the mentality of the system and and that's the thing is if you teach people to judge
themselves for not being productive they will judge everybody else for not being productive
and so we start to police ourselves and that's basically what the system's done is that we've

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started policing ourselves base because we're so committed to ego like it's not enough for
me to make a personal choice i have to basically demand that you make that personal choice or it
invalidates my personal choice and that's a very toxic place to be that that's a very dangerous
place to be that that goes back to telling people how to live and what to do just because
i have to commit to this way of life that i've committed to that makes me feel better and avoids

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all my suffering and my fear my conflict and my my self-loathing and my self-judgment and so i
have so much commitment into just focusing on you because if i don't the only alternative is
to look at myself i don't want to do that i'm going to focus on you yeah oh my gosh
it's so it's so outrageous and it's just it's becoming clear and clear to me like when i see

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that happen it's just like why are you why are you doing that you have enough [ __ ] to wear i
know you don't have [ __ ] figured out like why are you talking to me about
having things figure out like i i don't know what where that concern is coming from besides
made up stigmas that you have about the way that i am living my life and things that i'm

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doing with my life like oh man it's it's wild but um yeah before we end this episode i did want to
talk about one more thing about my trip yes sunday so i yeah it was insane i mentioned it earlier but
so i took three grams and that was it but it was the deepest i've ever gone and it was

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probably right after the come up it was probably only 45 minutes in and for probably 30 minutes
i was at my friend's kitchen table and he has like pretty comfortable chairs and i was just
leaning back and like have my head like this close my eyes for about 30 minutes and i swear

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i went to the center of whatever is and i was there and it was sort of dark almost like in space
and there were these little uh and i think it might i might have like perceived this
beingness because i just have you ever seen the movie soul uh the pixar animated movie yeah yeah

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yeah it is a good movie um and so the little the little souls the little baby souls that are in the
the great before that's sort of what i saw and it was like i don't know 10 of them maybe and
i was like i was kind of like where am i but i also knew i knew where i was without asking

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and i was like oh wow this is interesting and so i knew where i was so i just started asking
questions about things and just like i was in the center of awareness and so like the first question
i asked is like oh you're there's a few of you and immediately as soon as i said it they became one

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being and we're like they were like we're whatever you perceive us to be and we can we can be
anything and nothing and i was like all right that checks out that makes sense yeah i've kind of i've
kind of gotten that and then i started just i was like all right well i'm here might as well start
asking some questions and i was like what's the point of all this and they were like what do

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you mean what's the point the point is just an experience you know what what better what more
would you want than that what more would you want than just being able to experience what is i was
like good question all right cool and then i just kept moving through and i was like why is there
why is there suffering and they basically said and these are all just like sort of how i perce it's

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not you know the description is never described so these are all like poor representations of
what this experience was but i asked you know why is there suffering and they basically
said there is only suffering to the degree that you perceive it and it is a product of how

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rooted in dualism we have become and how far it's almost like we've we've distanced ourselves so
much like we've fooled ourselves so much that we now think that we are separate and we have
completely forgotten that we are not separate and that is sort of just a product of this

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distance from the truth and at the end of the day you know suffering good and bad
are all perceptions you know relative to how you are how you are experiencing things and so it kind
of hit me that like there are people who you know first world countries would consider suffering

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in third world countries who you know if we were there we would be suffering but they are actually
happy and it's not to say that it is all like that but there are certain situations where
people sort of live off the land and they are very happy but it's like in our society we perceive
that as suffering like we we just say they're suffering like third world countries that is

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the definition of suffering and so they kind of said it's one a product of how the way that
things are and just because we are so rooted in this perception of duality and then also it is
just the individual's perception so i was like all right that that checks out too and then i was like

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is ray here and they're like they're kind of we're like well rey is just the name of a
a person so he's but in the way that you're asking yes he he's been here for a while and they kind of
like knew what i was asking but also clarified that like rey doesn't exist in the way that you

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know you think and but he's been here for a while and that me like but you have also been here for
a while and it was like i was able to it was like i was asking these questions but i was also
answering them for myself and so it was like i was there i was it but also felt like i was

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there and it was like i was in i was hundreds of thousands of miles in the depths of my being and
as soon as like i so i was there and that was kind of the extent of that first time i closed my mind
my eyes again like half an hour later and sort of went back and was easily able to go back to that

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sort of situation but i remember like opening my eyes it was like i got shot out of a rocket ship
like back to the surface of where i was able like back in this reality and i got shot back there and
then i closed my eyes again and was kind of able to go back and then the second time i kind of was

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i was like oh this is cool like i should you know go around do some stuff so i was almost able to
like sort of fly around the world and then i just i was like i want to see more and i just like like
boom and like expanded back and went from like you know our galaxy or solar system the galaxy to

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like kind of being able to see the universe and it was i think sort of based off of you know how
i've seen pictures of outer space from like zoomed out so i was i felt like i was kind of like that
was my perception of it how i was seeing it in that way but at the same time i was still
seeing it and i was kind of like flying through things it felt like being able to be that

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awareness and i like i started tearing up a little bit like when i was talking to this thing and
and like was smiling and then i was just at such a point of peace like i that might have that was
like the clearest i've ever felt about death and you know just there isn't anything and i am

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perceiving you know andrew as this thing and even today when i was filming i filmed that podcast
earlier i was watching it back and it was like i was seeing another being which was me talking
and seeing it was almost like i forgot that that's what i looked like and i was just seeing them

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as this awareness so anyway what you look like right yeah yeah that's the point and it's true
even even physiologically right like we're not looking at what we actually look like
we're actually just looking at our brain's interpretation of the light
bouncing off of things right so we're not actually seeing what we look like anyway
but what you're talking about is interesting because

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that experience is why jesus referred to the father right because it's like you're talking to
an unlimited intelligence that is yours it's yours but yet as soon as you go me it's gone
it disappears right you have to be in that state where you're both and not not committed to either

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right it's funny there's a there was a researcher at laurentian university
who was doing studies on the brain and and particularly uh activating this one um part
of the brain that he believed was specifically designed to create that sense of being
of that that sense of a presence with us and so he was stimulating that part of the brain to show

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yeah the brain's actually evolved just a part of itself that stimulates the sense of
the presence of a being which i find just amazing like why would the brain do that
why would that suddenly just develop you know it just developed for no reason right um then it's
like because you know we are obviously there's an experience there that it was building off of
that it was trying to comprehend and interpret and everything else right and that's largely

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part of the the psychedelics but psychedelics are not not necessary for this people do it through
fasting people do it through meditation people do it through hardship people do it all the time
but what you experienced especially when you encountered those beings was very much the same as
people experience on ayahuasca or peyote or any of those other advanced psychedelics those beings are

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representative of parts of your own consciousness that you can't just comprehend like they need a
symbol for you to interact with them otherwise it's just too much right and so people come up
with angels or or technological elves or or things like that and sometimes they go into the darker
aspects of things too but it's always it's always within our own awareness and and i would say that

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the visuals that you were having about the universe and everything else yeah that might
be somewhat influenced by um the pictures you've seen by hubble telescope and things like that
but on the other hand those visuals within the mind are there regardless like whether you've
seen those things or not they're yeah you get this impression of space and you get this impression of
of entities within that space whether it's clusters of energy or it's clusters of thought or

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clusters of emotion whatever it might be it's all within that field that we're always talking about
that's why i always find it interesting when we look at how far into the universe we can see very
much looks like the inside of our consciousness yeah right yeah that's that's what it was that's
exactly what it was like and yeah it was it was incredible so have you like have you been in that

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sort of state like for a long time like are you sort of in that without psychedelics
a lot of times or is it tough to i try not to be a and like i i work very hard towards
maintaining a certain physical aspect for physical perspective of myself because

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i've chosen that path like i have a wife i have a daughter i have a job i i i do all that and so for
me to to participate in that game i have to play the character if i'm going to play monopoly i need
to choose a piece right and so it's very difficult to be say in a romantic relationship with yourself

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that can be very tricky okay literally if somebody says you know go [ __ ] yourself that's actually
kind of close to the point but it's difficult to be in that mentality and really get into anything
like it's it's just it's hollow because you know it's not real and so to some degree you have to
choose to let that go you have to just choose not to be aware of that all the time in order to enjoy
the physicality in order to enjoy the dualism and i do enjoy the the the polarity of relationships

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and all of that right but it's how much do you commit to it how much do you get caught up in it
and i think over time what i've realized is that once you're clear once you've found that place
where you know this is all just a show and it is it's all just it's all just a play
the world the world is a play and we are about the players right as shakespeare would put it
once you know that then you can choose how much you're going to commit to any particular

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relationship or any particular experience you can you can dictate how committed to that illusion
you're going to become and choose you know how much of the experience you're going to um subject
yourself to rightly that's the thing it's not always easy especially when it comes to the more
triggering things like anger or fear or things like that but that's where the work comes in where
that's where the practice comes in like when i'm really really afraid it's like sweet homework this

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is this is where i actually get to start digging at things right um the same as when i'm really
really angry or something it's like ah i'm holding on to something i'm trying to get to an end result
this is all a chance for me to do self-education again right and uh honestly the the education goes
about as far as oh okay oh okay i see where that's going i'm not gonna commit to that anymore and

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then it's gone and then i'm no longer in the play but it comes back down to being in that state and
and being in that state isn't metaphysical it has really nothing to be to to do with
communing with god or with spirits or anything else and that's where we tend to get caught up
because again there's that responsibility part right we don't want to just be the universe we
don't want to be alone we don't want to be god as it were um but that's all preference it's all

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based on on what we think we are and it's all based on opinions and and and whatnot and it
all starts to disappear after a while the more you keep going the more you start to realize
right freedom is really all this is about this is all just about me being free in my existence
which is freedom like existence is freedom from non-existence i mean it's what do we want to do

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right and that's that's why i i tend to focus just on on that like existence is it there's no there's
nothing else to attain there's nowhere else to go right there's nothing to ask permission to that's
why i often one one thing i've said to myself is that there's no one to ask and nothing to ask for
yeah and that's a difficult one to get but it's true

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yeah i and this was something else i texted you in that very long paragraph kind of trying to
explain this um yesterday but it was the sort of understanding that it's
there's not a right or wrong in under like seeing this or realizing it there's no

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better or worse everything just is and i think the only semblance of a difference between people
is understanding that it's all a game or a show or anything and not and it's like usually
you think that it's not because you believe something that someone else says is the truth

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and you take things it's like whether you take everything very seriously all the time with
no you know this isn't that serious or you know it's not that serious and occasionally
get caught up in thinking that things are serious and then just remembering oh it's not that serious

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and i you know i i've said that before and i've sort of understood that not as clearly as i do
now but i've said it before and and people are like oh you know easy for you to say is
a you know white straight white nail and it's like oh man there goes the identification again
i don't even think i'm this straight white man like i'm not identifying as this like i'm you and

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but it's it's almost like people become so concrete in things that they don't take
any time to question it and they don't want to because it's scary but through that you know the
end of that questioning is realizing oh it's not that serious like this is all for fun like this

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is all a game it's all for show it's all just an experience and that doesn't mean that it's all pot
it has to be all positive it's just an experience and positive and negative again just goes back
to your individual perception of how things are things just are and it's just an experience and

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there is no positive or negative right or wrong good or bad it's just what you do with it
yeah that's it it's always it's always what it's been right but it in in a lack of clarity
we end up participating in these these habitual structures these habitual routines these habitual
identifications and thoughts and concepts and everything else and then because everybody around

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us is playing in those games and we grow up thinking that that's reality we forget
that it never was we forget it was all arbitrary we forget it's not monday right
it's not december it's not 2021 it's not you know this this island we're on is not called
north america like all of that is just arbitrary this is all stuff that we've just come up with

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and we're making up as we go right and as soon as we come to terms with that we go
right right we are doing that aren't we like this doesn't have to keep going the way it has been in
the same way that your life changed right like you you were going in a certain direction all
of a sudden you became aware of other options and you went yeah okay i'm gonna go and explore that
but you had to question the path that you were on first in order to do it right you had to be

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willing to question the stability that the path you were on previously had offered you or had
promised you in order to see other options and then that is what we're doing collectively and
individually right now which is again why i'm not afraid i'm not afraid because i'm an eternal
consciousness and that everything is is change all the time and that you know as as awareness itself

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i'm not going anywhere ever right i am everything so as much as nobody wants to die and nobody wants
to suffer nobody wants to see the world turn into a police state or nobody wants to see the world
you know suffer through mass amounts of climate change and displacement and everything else
the fact is is that that stuff's always been happening at least there's no you know uh

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super volcanoes going off or at least there's no asteroids hitting the earth right now like
there are there could be bigger concerns is what i'm saying at least right now the toxicity that
we're dealing with collectively and individually is something that however slowly it might start is
something that we can address just by exploring ourselves just by questioning ourselves enough

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that it starts to inspire the people around us to question themselves not because we're trying to
not because we're trying to get them to question themselves but because we are so visibly fulfilled
by doing so ourselves that they start to go yeah i want more that that's what i want right and
that that's all we have to do is just keep keep on the path you're on everybody who's listening

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to this right now is on a path and we don't because we get so caught up in our peace we
forget that there's no division we forget it's all one tapestry so sometimes you'll feel like
oh it doesn't matter how much i changed myself the world is still doing its thing no it's just
it takes time there's a big trail behind us that's being dragged with us right and so

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just just keep going forward just keep being here and the rest will follow suit
yeah and it's like with these understandings too there's just
there's so much less of a rush also like it's we know it's happening because we're here
now happening and and there's less so and even at an individual level like the rush i i feel so much

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less of a polled and need to get things done and accomplished and it's like it it'll happen like
i am the rudder of what is and even i was thinking about i meant to bring this up before because it's
something you said made me think about the idea of relaxation and it's like if you are

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comfortable not in the sense of like comfortable just you know with your life whatever the way
things are but just like comfortable and relaxed in whatever happens you're manifesting that
state of being of relaxation and then when things do hit the fan you will be in that state of
relaxation and and there's certain situations like we were talking about before people add so much

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unnecessary stress just like because they think there's things they should do or need to do and
those are actually very calm situations that they are making not calm and so they are perpetuating
and manifesting this state of non-relaxation and they're manifesting the state of stress when there
isn't even any and they're bringing it in because they think that things are the way they are and

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they need to be a certain way and they as a person need to be a certain way and so then when [ __ ]
actually hits the fan they lose their [ __ ] mind so realizing that it is for the most part you
you don't need to bring all that unnecessary stuff in things are okay you probably do

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have enough you don't need more all the time and striving for more and more and more and more
like take a second look around your odds are a lot of people not everyone but
a lot of people do have enough and understanding that then you manifest that state of relaxation

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understanding those things so then when stuff does go crazy you've already manifested a state
of relaxation so and you know that it's not that serious anyway so then things
will be it'll be okay it'll be okay absolutely i think the most applicable word for that is grace
right and that's what it is right you can say the grace of god or whatever you want to call

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it right but it's just grace it's the ability to just fluidly move with what's happening as what's
happening without any attachment to the outcome or any attachment to a certain direction or anything
you're literally just feeling the flow it's like uh bruce lee used to say that um i don't hit
my hit my fist hits for me and it's because you know the hole opens itself and boom intelligence

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just acts if i allow it to right rather than trying to force it to go in a certain direction
and that's the point is that state of mind that you you experienced this weekend is
always available to us it's honestly it's just the product of what we are which is infinite limitless
intelligence embodied right but we certainly we short-circuit that process by putting a fiction

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in there and then making this thing process that fiction instead of process reality as it's being
experienced right and so yeah it throws us all out of whack it creates conflict immediately
because now we're no longer in the flow now we're thinking about something else it's like
being in a conversation and thinking about another conversation that hasn't happened yet or happened
yesterday you're not reading those cues you're not making the most of that experience right and it's

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just because you're not in a state of mind where you can and so whether it be through psychedelic
psychedelic experiences or near-death experiences or or trauma or or you know just hard work
looking at yourself or if you're just lucky enough to have a moment of clarity that changes your life
that that state of mind is the entire point it's the entire point and it's not something society is

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going to help you get to it's not something your friends can help you get to it's not
something that anything's going to help you get to including psychedelics because if you're not
willing to question if you're not willing to be uncertain if you're not willing to to let go of
what you think you know and all of the benefits you think it gives you then you can't get to that
state of clarity where you come into alignment with the world as it is you you can't come into

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that state of clarity where you are now embodying that intelligence fully and allowing it to change
reality through you right that's the whole point doesn't matter how you get there just get there
and then once you're there you'll figure it out but stop trying to figure out what's what's going
to happen once you get there like that's one thing it's like well one when i'm enlightened will life
be like stop it stop before you even go there it's like there's there's no point in telling

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you what enlightens me enlightenment is like because then you're just striving for an ideal
right it doesn't work that way get there it'll all make sense you know it's like the ten commandments
it's like you meet god all of that will make sense follow those commandments you'll never meet god
yeah yeah it's like along the way you're just manifesting a existence that is constantly in a

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state of seeking and and that's just it's like what is happening with that along the way of
your and all you have to realize is there isn't there isn't anything to achieve or or anything
you have to do but i i guess with the questioning of things and and it's become clear after doing
psychedelics and and kind of coming into a lot of these realizations before how psychedelics is only

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a tool it's not like an end in itself it's not going to lead to any of the things that we talk
about i think it more easily opens up a door and allows you the potential to see it maybe a
little bit more clearly because you don't have so much you know fog in the way but it doesn't mean
that you will and and uh so i think part of the process which you know i post about and i know

(02:05:46):
you post about just like questioning things and like questioning beliefs and questioning
the way that things are just just question if someone tells you that the way like what the
truth is just question it cause like they're just telling you something that someone else told them
which someone else told them which probably was misinterpreted by the person who said it
and so it's just like the whole time every single day all throughout everything you're doing just

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just question it just say like is this is this the way it is is are things just the way they are am i
you know this human is are my weaknesses and strengths actually my weaknesses and strengths or
is it just part of the story i keep telling myself and if you were able to consistently question
the way that things are and the beliefs that you have about yourself and the world then that i

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think eventually you get to a point that you are similar to psychedelics you have the opportunity
to see things but it's not from settling on answers it's not from being sure of things
it's not from being concrete in your beliefs because then you're basically just stuck in
stuck in the mud stuck in concrete you know so just question everything all the time absolutely

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because there is a very big difference between a memorized concept and a recognized insight
right and that's it is that you can memorize concepts but but insights aren't conceptual
insights are the ones that hit you so deep you go it's not like oh that's interesting that that's
a totally different thing it's this it's the thing that that shakes you so hard that your

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whole life has changed instantly as a result and that's not a process of of thinking conceptually
or memorizing ideas or practicing ceremonies or or any of that it's just a matter of faith
humility right and self-honesty all the stuff that that you know every uh religious avatars ever
really talked about and then got twisted into yeah but you got to do it as this particular religion

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are you gonna do it it's just so funny that that we always end up the truth is just right there
and then we try to make it into a concept and it becomes a code and the code hides the truth and
and that's just how it goes right but um yeah i'm really interested to see how the insights
that you're having right now are going to continue to progress because i've been watching you since

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we started this podcast you've been going through various different phases of this of
this journey it's been very cool to watch um and now now you're getting to the point where
you know it's the experience of the being that's why i always find it interesting that that in the
torah when moses goes to mount sinai and he meets god um in the in the old testament the

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catholic old testament when god when moses is like well who who do i say sent me and it says
well i am that i am this is god was god's response which i always thought was actually pretty apt
i just exist that's what it is right but in the original translation it was the being
which i think is really interesting because it's just being it's just being there's nothing left

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to talk about on there and oddly enough when you when you look back at the people who have claimed
to have talked to god what they're discussing or describing is the experience that you have
except with slightly less responsibility right it's like no no it was god talking to me it's
like no it was your intelligence echoing back that's all it was right it's like but i'm not

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that intelligent oh okay well that makes sense now you know i understand why you see that division
yeah yeah and it's like since then too because i have you know if i hadn't maybe if i had had
that experience without having sort of the understandings i would have just perceived it
as what i like if i was still you know take me back i don't know eight years and i was still like

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you know identified as being catholic and i had that experience i'd be like i yeah i would be like
i was in heaven talking to god like i saw god and it's like it totally makes sense it's all based on
your perception of how you're seeing it like even the fact that i saw a soul two
weeks ago like that probably influenced why the little souls popped up like that
but i knew that wasn't and that's why i asked like oh so there's a few of you immediately

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became one being and then it started like i think it turned into like a tree or something we're like
we're whatever you perceive us as like we're whatever we can be everything and nothing
and yeah it was it was crazy and and it's been cool to kind of go through all of this and and
be changing along the way and be able to talk about it every week too is like

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awesome but yeah it's uh it's been quite quite a ride for sure and i'm i'm excited for you know
seeing what's to come as well but what i was gonna say before also is after with the perception of
it how if someone were to think that it was they were to perceive it as god they would probably it

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would build up their ego quite a bit because they saw god and for for me when i saw it it's like
now like when i was walking around this morning new york like passing people like i was seeing
myself i was like that's me and they just don't know it almost and so it wasn't like

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i i saw myself in the video of the podcast and i was like that like who's that guy like that's oh
he he's kind of making some sense right now and it was like more of that and it was like there
was less of me after that because i saw that it was me talking to myself that was also everything

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and so it was like it stripped that more so than built it up but i can totally see how someone had
a perception and was brought up in you know a religious environment and had that experience
or like i was in heaven and i saw god like it makes sense why people have that perception or
even people with you know near-death experiences like you know the priest who wrote the book when

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he almost died and like went to heaven like i went to heaven it's like you went there it's
your perception because that's how you're brought up and you're a priest so like of course you have
something like that you're going to perceive it as being heaven but that's just a word and god
is just a word and that's not necessarily that doesn't mean that it's what you saw

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is what is dying other than an extreme state of relaxation otherwise known as being high
right so it's the same thing and you can you can access that same state in your dreams we've talked
about lucid dreaming before um you can lucid dream you can wander around your dreams you can
do any of that or you can sit in that void just talking to your own intelligence and you can do

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that actively knowing fully well that time is passing by in your body and fully aware of it
and and then the whole wake up and you're st and you're fully rested but your your mind has been
in the ether being you know whatever the hell it is and you're aware of it at the time it's like
they they describe it as a download it's really not a download again i'm old you know i don't

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look at downloads the same way but a download is always off of something that's external
right it's like you know something's giving you the information but if it's from within
you it's not really a download you're just accessing files that you forgot were there
it's almost more like a understanding or a remembrance almost or realization insight

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whatever and i even i posted a like a normal instagram post yesterday with a picture of me
um and this clock that i have with no hands in front of me and talked about how you know friendly
you know friendly reminder time's an illusion there's nothing more than here and now and
and this is all a game and i was using these words and i made sure to clarify like these are poor

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descriptions of what is these are all just words they are not what is they are not what you are
there this is not a game or a you know uh experience or whatever those are words this is
what is and you can use any word just to describe this to remind yourself that it's not that serious

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and at the end of the day you know we can never do any of these things that we describe justice
because the description is never the described and it never will be so you know how could any word
do you know reality or even ourselves justice and none of it does i mean even take a look at

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that and take a look at at the clock they it uses as an example the clock's not accurate
right there's not 24 hours in a day there's not 365 days in a year right there's 365 and a
quarter in a bit whatever right like everything's inaccurate we use it for convenience we use it
for the sake of a tool but then all of a sudden we start to convince ourselves that you know an hour

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or a day is 24 hours it's like no and what's not right or a year it's 365 days like no no it's
not all you're doing is counting how many times you've circled the earth or a circle of the sun
right so i mean we call it a year we call it a day we call it a week but those are all just
conveniences those are just concepts that at their root are inaccurate which is why we have to reset
our clocks and why we have to when we have a leap year and a leap day and all this other stuff right

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and it's just because we're just getting as close as we can to the truth and then settling right and
that's it it's like yeah yeah oh we come up with seven days and then and 12 months and you know it
seems to keep things going let's just settle with that it's like right but can we keep in mind that
it's not real while we settle with that like the mayans did for example they had a calendar

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that was for agriculture it was 365 and a quarter days to measure the seasons right but then they
had another calendar that was strictly for other things like the lunar cycles or or for the cycles
of consciousness like they had more than one calendar for different things we have one calendar
that's what we have right and that's it and and we all just kind of take it for granted that

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that it's the truth when in fact it's it's really not it's the concoction of some dude
who decided that he was the representative of god and then had an entire entire race
of people wiped out that was it and so we use his calendar going yeah yeah that makes sense
it's like not if you knew the guy if you knew the guy you'd want to throw that in the garbage
yeah yeah and i think that under like what i saw with that was like the real like we're not

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any separate there was no right or wrong but it's just i think just a slight difference in
understanding where you take it all seriously and you think of it as the truth and that's it
versus seeing it being able to use it as a tool being able to use this experience of duality
as an experience but remembering that it's not the truth it's not real in that sense it is

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just an experience and it's not that serious it's just what is but it's like that subtle difference
between basically taking it all very seriously and remembering that it's not that serious
are you committed to the duality or do you see the unity which is why i love the name of our
podcast right and that's the whole thing because it's a dualistic experience that is at its core

(02:17:16):
unitary so the more we get caught up in the dual in the dualism the less we see the how we're
united the less we see that that unity right and so it's not about leaving duality behind because
what fun is that but it's about recognizing that they're both they're both happening they're both
the truth they're just different perspectives right they're just different experiences of that

(02:17:39):
of existence of yourself it's all it is right and if we can recognize that and just learn to see it
and balance it everything changes accordingly and and i find that really fun to watch
i've watched it in my own life i've watched it in other people's lives i'm watching it in your
life and watching it in in the comments and the suggestions and the questions that we get from
other people and it's inspiring because there is no greater indicator to me that we are changing

(02:18:05):
this reality this planet this this system or anything else other than the fact that we are
questioning this with such enthusiasm that's that in itself inspires me daily
it's not that we're questioning it it's not that because that could easily be an intellectual
exercise and it often it is you know like how would you change the world write a report but
that that's just all conceptual structure right whereas how do you feel about changing yourself

(02:18:31):
and it's like on fire now i'm inspired now i know the world is changing because of you that's all
it takes that's all it takes and as more and more of us understand that yeah that fire is going to
spread and things are going to change but it's going to be an exponential and uns unexpected
change let's put it that way because all of a sudden it's going to go from night to day you know

(02:18:55):
that's why jesus was saying you know live like a servant whose masters might come home in the night
right that's what he was talking about he was just saying like don't lose your path because
things are going to turn sideways at some point they're going to turn sideways hard and everything
you've been doing everything you've been working on in yourself is going to make perfect sense
and everybody else who's been ignoring it is going to scramble because they've been wasting time

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right and that that's all he was saying so yeah you know be aware that it's now the moment's now
this is when things change and it starts with you yeah certainly um all right do you think that's
a good spot to wrap what are we at 220 all right i knew this was going to be a long one because i

(02:19:41):
it was it was a lot to talk about for sure absolutely and i'm glad it was because episode 11
just gonna say we didn't get into this but we're going to very soon um if if you were to believe in
angel numbers or or numerology or any of that then 11 is supposed to be you know deeply meaningful
it doesn't of course but i'm glad that we made it meaningful so we can discuss numerology in a

(02:20:03):
future episode sounds great looking forward to that for sure yeah this is this is a good one i
think for sure it was a lot of fun absolutely we got to a lot so i'm excited for people to listen
to it likewise so uh we will see you next week of course for episode 12. we do have a guest coming
up in a future episode we're just waiting for confirmation there we have a q a episode coming up

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before the end of season one so definitely submit your questions join us on patreon if you can for
next wednesday's exclusive live stream if you have questions you'd like to talk to us directly about
and uh aside from that thank you so much for joining us for this extended episode this was
such a great conversation to have i'm glad that we managed to come full circle i knew
we would eventually yeah yeah thank you for listening everyone we'll see you next week

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