S.1 Ep.7: Form and Function

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hello and welcome to episode seven of dualistic unity i am andrew and
i am ray and i am very excited to be here it's been a very very interesting week and
i'm so excited that we finished our our workshop yesterday on social anxiety that
that conversation was so much fun to have over the last month i've really enjoyed exploring that

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yeah me as well it was it was a great time i really enjoyed talking about it's something
i realized throughout it that i just enjoy discussing because i've you know we've both been
through it and kind of come out the other side and i think that's just a huge key and i think i might
have mentioned this on one of the uh workshops but i was on a podcast the other a week two

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weeks ago and this uh woman who's interviewing me was asking like you know she sees a lot of people
who are on social media you know posting about similar stuff that we post about or mental health
anything in that realm and a lot of them have a similar story of going through that they weren't
even though now they put themselves out there and are very open and seemingly relatively outgoing

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just through putting themselves out there they all a lot of them kind of went through bouts
of social anxiety and weren't always this you know like peppy bubbly like outgoing outspoken
person and i said i think that and she was like why do you think that is and i was like i think
that makes complete sense because people who have been through that knows it kind of sucks and it's

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shitty and and so they they go through it and then they come out the other side and they're like
oh [ __ ] we can get through this like i'm trying to bring everyone along with me like
i'm trying to share the things that have helped me so that because i know how that suffering can be
and i i also know there are things that can help so that's why i think so many people who are

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posting about that on social media did go through something like that i think it's part of the
reason that that we do share these things and have these discussions is literally because of those
situations well that's it right and even krishnamurti used to say um how how can
somebody who's ever who's never been in the mass understand the mass how can somebody who's never

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you know experienced what it is to forget that they're being right recognize what it
is to forget that you're being so you have to go through it in order to empathize with people that
are going through it and i think that's important but on the other hand we we also get caught up in
details sometimes right we think if you haven't been through exactly what i've been through you

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can't understand and it's like well yes and no i mean i can understand the emotional spectrum
i can understand you know the generalities i can understand again what it is to be abandoned
not necessarily what it is to be abandoned by the person who abandoned you in that particular
situation but i can i i can relate to abandonment and so in a lot of ways even even without intense

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trauma in our own lives if we're willing to open ourselves up if we're willing to be honest about
even just the the smallest of emotional pains that we've experienced in our lives
we can open ourselves up to empathy to people who have been through far worse it never thinking that
we can understand but at least relating to the emotional spectrum that they're going through

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yeah certainly yeah because they're you know even though i've been through things like social
anxiety i know like i haven't been through you know a lot of the [ __ ] and like the
really really tough stuff that people have been through but it doesn't mean that you know i can't
talk it's interesting because i feel like sometimes people say like you know you

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can't talk about this or you can't understand this and it's like well i can i can at least
try and give my two cents you know is is that okay regardless it's happening
yeah yeah right but yeah so i think i think it is almost necessary like how can you have any

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depth in these discussions if you've never been through it you'd just be like you know just just
stop worrying what are you doing but just stop it's like well there's a little bit more to it
and yeah especially when it comes but i also think the idea i was someone uh there was this kid

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who was commenting on a bunch of my posts i think he was just scrolling through my
posts and kind of like critiquing all of them and like trying to have counter arguments so i was in
my instagram notifications just kind of like responding from there to everyone quickly and
he came he was going on about uh loneliness and feeling alone and and he was commenting on a few

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of my videos about how realizing that you are the awareness of what is and and not this you know
little me can be extremely helpful and he was like how is that helpful like i get realizing that is
is great and all but you know how does that help me when i feel like i'm alone it's like well

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the idea that you're alone is stems from the idea that you're separate so if you don't actually feel
separate how alone can you feel and he just he kept going back and like nitpicking at my wording
and stuff and i kind of got to a point that i was like at the end of the day if you're feeling
lonely and have this story of loneliness no one is going to stop you from continuing to tell yourself

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that story and i think that it's it's almost like a harsh truth but you know you've said it to me a
few times when i'm you know like say something's difficult or this is tough and it's like it really
is the truth that no one's gonna force you to stop saying that and and it's just something that
this story that we want to hold on to but we don't have to and we're the only ones who can ever

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let that go at the end of the day that's right that's right that's exactly it and i mean on the
flip side of that i don't expect you to i i don't expect you to let it go i don't expect you to do
anything at all because there's nothing wrong one way or another there's nothing wrong regardless of
how you choose to live your life that's up to you but let's at least come to that point where we can

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admit whatever you do with your life is up to you right and so your responsibility is your response
that's it right it's how you respond to things that's how that's your responsibility
and and if we live life that way then it changes a great many things but
it becomes difficult to to let go of the story we tell ourselves because

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it's familiar and and we think that it makes sense to do so and and at one point i was talking
about how our over investment in identity is because or is is a contributing factor
to our perception of division from reality right and immediately because we perceive a division
we're no longer whole we lack we feel that lack in ourselves and it creates a need and

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then we look around trying to find something to satisfy that need and it creates tunnel vision
so now we're trying to get towards that need to solve our sense of lack which is not coming from
the thing we think we need it's coming from the division that we're over committed to and so we
get caught in that loop of trying to satisfy our needs instead of realizing that our perception

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of of the division between the observer the and the observed dictates our emotional spectrum and
people try to say like i gotta follow my emotions it's like right but your emotions are based on
how you perceive your relationship with reality so you can play within your emotional spectrum
or you can change your your perception of your re of your relationship with reality and then the

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emotional spectrum changes so you can get caught in the game very easily not realizing emotions
don't dictate the truth they're just giving you an indicator of what perception you're in that's it
yeah it's almost like going to the root instead of staying on the surface and trying to figure
out it's like everyone's running around trying to you know decipher their emotions and and like

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solve them like they're a puzzle that's been you know a spew and and it's realizing that it's it's
not that you have to change your emotions it's like your perception of them in the in the root
it's like i feel separate or i feel like i'm lacking because i'm separate and it's like well

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so i have to change that or figure something out because i know that i'm separate i know that i
know that i am just andrew and it's like well have you ever questioned that it's like well i don't
want to question that because that's i i know that for sure that's what i've been you know told and
taught and like who am i if i'm not that and i actually wanted to ask your opinion on this i

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i was asked in a q a on instagram uh yesterday the day before about the difference between
uh being the awareness of what is and and this human form and disassociation and and like
i don't know exactly what wording they said but something like it seemed like a negative more

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negative like awareness was more on the positive side dissociation was more on the negative side
and my thought was my initial thought that i mentioned was it seemed like it sort of
came down to responsibility like being the awareness of andrew like i'm still
responsible for andrew whereas being like you know disassociated is almost like like it it

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lacks responsibility and for some reason like i'm not responsible for andrew so like if he goes and
kills someone it's like oh i'm disassociated from andrew so i don't have to worry about it it's like
well yeah but you as this disassociated thing from andrews are still going to experience jail
like that's right as opposed to the awareness is is you're still have that responsibility but

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you don't aren't over committed to that idea and perception well that's it right you're
not over committed to the concept to the idea of yourself it doesn't stop you from being yourself
right like that that's the thing it's just that you're no longer attached to the fiction
about that self that does not take you out of the relationship you have with your reality it doesn't

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take you out of out of the loop of causality or at least the experience of causality right so
yeah i think that's perfectly answered but that's that couldn't have been better said
cool all honestly cool because it was on my instagram story for 24 hours so yeah good good
to hear but yeah i mean that's what it seemed to me because sometimes people will say that and i

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remember early on when i realized that back in july when it kind of like that flip of a switch
moment of like holy [ __ ] i'm not just andrew a lot of people were saying like bro this is like
slippery slope you know you're disassociating like you are a human like you are this human like come

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back to earth dude and it's like oh man what is where is this coming from well that's coming from
how they perceive the world or rather how they've learned to be comfortable perceiving the world
it's funny i ran across a tick tock the other day of somebody uh and it was one of those trending
ones where the music was going along and they're thinking about one thing and then the next thing

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it's like oh but somebody else said this it's like oh i didn't consider that and they were saying you
know here i am sitting grooving to the fact that i don't need anybody and then the next scene was and
then my therapist informs me that hyperin hybrid independence is a sign of trauma and i'm like okay
i can understand that but let's let's consider the fact that somebody who has co-dependent tendencies

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would look at it that way yeah right yeah so i mean here you are taking away from the importance
of your role as andrew and everybody else who is dependent on their idea of their role as whoever
they are is feeling invalidated of course they're going to tell you well i'm concerned
right because i'm looking at it from the perspective that that makes it uncomfortable

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for me that's it it's like i made a video about god as i tend to do and uh and somebody
was like you know this is blasphemy i'm like is it nor is it just uncomfortable
seriously i it is so interesting how it's all just through people's perceptions like

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that's all it ever comes down to and any comment you get any discussion you have like
it's being had through someone's perception and yeah i forget what exactly you said but it made me
think of this idea of um i i had a friend say to me towards the end of college uh because i i was

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i got kind of worked up in the idea of like getting a job and having a job before i graduated
school because a lot of kids like my school is very pre-professional and a lot of kids you know
have their job lined up like in the fall of senior year and so in the fall i was kind of getting like
stressed out about figuring it out and i talked to my parents and they were like andrew like you have

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one more baseball season for the rest of your life like that's coming in the spring just just enjoy
that and you'll be able to find a job afterwards i was talking to someone i think it was maybe around
graduation and i still i didn't get a job until like a month after graduation it's like oh like a
huge deal that i didn't have one then and someone said uh it was i'll yeah i'll never forget it like

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but what about your contra like are you concerned about your contribution to society
or like you need to start contributing to society because i wasn't at that point i was
like not concerned at all like i knew i'd figure things out and things would fall into place and
and that idea of like contributing to society and i was like what the hell does that even mean like

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having a job and making money is contributing to society what so i can continue to fuel this crazy
ass machine that we've built up and it was just it was so interesting to me but you know that's
coming from someone's path led them to a point where they believe that you know you have to have

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a nine to five in order to contribute to society correctly yeah i'm doing it if you're not doing
it you're obviously lazy yeah yeah it was so like i was just like why what does me
doing anything have to do with you or society like what is society and and that was

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before i started really questioning everything but it was still it was still in my head like that's
a weird [ __ ] thing to say and yet oddly enough the way that our system is designed
it's actually rather accurate because our system is designed in terms of of the the
ucc the uniform commercial code and so everything is is based on contract law everything including

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governments like the government of the united states is a corporation that is actually you
know registered in washington dc the district of columbia of course doesn't have any voting rights
because it is actually outside of the corporation of the united states of america that's why it's
registered in that specific district and that's why the laws there don't apply in the same way

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canada likewise registered company also in washington dc and so these are all companies
and these companies operate like every other company they have shareholders they
have revenue and they have expenses and in the case of governments part of their
revenue is us the shareholders the participants in the government that we signed on as a as part of

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this corporation when we submitted for our social insurance or our social security number right we
we willingly joined the corporation of our country in order to get certain benefits
and we call those benefits roads and and the social network the social safety network and
hospitals and police and everything else and and so part of the benefit of us contributing to this

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corporation and being willing participants of this corporation is also the the corporation's
ability to to penalize us for not abiding by its bylaws which is why there is a difference between
acts and statutes and actual common law right there's a difference between legal and lawful
right because it's lawful to drive your car but it's not necessarily legal to do so in a state

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where the state's laws prohibit you from driving it in certain ways and it's because
you are a member of that state or a member of the company that that state is also a part of and so
you've agreed to abide by certain bylaws by just being part of that system and that's why every
every city and every town is the corporation of that city right everything runs around

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this entire thing that we are voluntarily acting as shareholders and beneficiaries
of a company that we call a country so he wasn't really that far off yeah seriously so like you
know what happens if someone doesn't want to be a part of it like what happens if someone

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is born and you know their parents kind of are i don't know like out in the woods or something and
they're just like yeah my kid's not going to be a part of this like what do they go to jail like
if they're caught right like that's the whole thing and there are a slew of laws around you know

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parenthood and how to raise your child and what's expected of being a parent and what's expected of
meeting a child's needs as a result of all of that i mean as well but the the fact is is that
that child if that child were to grow up in the woods and then come back into society
society would not be able to interact with that child until that child got a quote-unquote person

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or a legal entity a name with a number that could interact with that that system which is why when
the police stop you and they say i'd like to see some identification what they're asking you to
do is identify yourself as part of the system that they have a right to be an authority over
jesus damn that's kind of [ __ ] freaky honestly like we have because we've talked before about

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you know smaller societies and how we've kind of just it's gotten absurdly big so it's almost like
we've gone from a society where you know that actually is functional that's smaller say a
village of 100 people and everyone kind of like does things to help out and now it's just gotten
so massive but it's still sort of we're still sort of paying in to the society with things like

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roads and whatnot and yeah i've never really thought about it like from the company perspective
of the country changes our perspective but then then again when you do look at it that way it also
changes your perspective of exactly how badly this company is being run because i mean at some point

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the company just went yeah we don't really need to base our credit system anymore on actual value
let's just toss in a debit credit system and we can all use that based on the agreement that
this has value meanwhile we can inflate it as much as we want meanwhile we can dictate where
your tax dollars are going to go regardless of what your preferences are as a shareholder

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i always found that very interesting i think as taxpayers we should not if we have to pay taxes
we should actually have a checklist of the departments that we want our taxes to go to
that would change the priority of the government real quick wouldn't it yeah right but we don't
get that say and we don't get that saved because ultimately it's not the best in

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in the best interest of the people running the company and the company's best interest
is to keep itself in existence and that means to continue its its reign of power to continue
its structure onward and and so more and more as the system has to protect itself as its system has
to try and keep itself afloat in a world that's changing at a rate that it cannot account for

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it starts to crumble and it starts to desperately try to make up for that crumbling
with politics and promises and everything else and it's just becoming a delaying game
at the end of the day because it's a house of cards it's going to fall
do you think things like you know bitcoin and cryptocurrencies over overtaking it is is a

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possibility in the next you know 50 to 100 years i think we're just starting to see how that's going
to pan out because what we've done and and and this is huge because i mean part of the this the
system's biggest playing pieces or or part of the biggest power grab in the system was their ability
to control money to control the flow of value and so all of a sudden you have people saying no i'm

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going to put my value into this thing that nobody controls and that's changing the landscape because
we're deciding where to put our value and they don't have a say that's the thing that's why they
tried shutting it down for so long right they just didn't like the idea that they couldn't
regulate this they can't control it it's like oh no it's only used by criminals it's like no
no no no that's fiat currency you're talking about wall street that that's used by criminals

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right but they don't talk about that or they'll say like oh cryptocurrency is using more energy
than anything or more and more energy and it's not green enough it's like right have we talked
about how much electricity the banking system uses seriously but we don't and we don't because the
argument is one-sided and it's one-sided because the people who own the publications that are

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making the argument are the people who are gonna are gonna benefit from cryptocurrency dying and so
you just have to keep on that's why i find it so very interesting like you will hear every
time bitcoin drops everybody comes out that's it it's the end of bitcoin it's not gonna happen
and it's like no no it's it's gonna keep going because humanity is changing humanity is changing

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and the people who don't want to look at humanity changing are the people who are rooting for it to
fail and i always find that interesting yeah yeah it is it is quite interesting how much yeah it's
always on that side i'm just picturing people on the news like politicians talking about how
harmful you know bitcoin is the environment and it really is like you never hear it being talked what

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it will what's its comparison you know the fiat currency that the banking system is like well
they're using a shitload of energy i'm sure too like they're using some energy at least like why
isn't that ever discussed how many banks are there how many banks run tellers and how many tellers
how many elect how many banks need electricity or or other resources right not just that but

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you have fiat currency you have the cost of minting dollars and are minting coins and actually
printing money and and trying to combat uh counterfeiting and the whole thing like
cryptocurrency solves a lot of different problems but it does so without centralizing the power
under one small group of people right i mean there is still the risk of that with bitcoin

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if somebody were to go in and buy 51 of bitcoin that would change the whole game
right but the fact is that that's very unlikely to happen and another one would pop up very shortly
after i mean this is one of the things that i'm enjoying right now about the uh dogecoin shiba
inu thing right is because dogecoin showed that because on wall street there's the fear index

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right and then that fear index changes everything it changes how people invest it changes when
people sell but when we're looking at meme coins when we're looking at cryptocurrencies that have
really no value let's be honest about it like they don't really have anything behind them
except the will and hope of people who aren't rich right and that's that's what i'm enjoying

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about it is the fact that dogecoin skyrocketed but it did so based on elon musk and a good portion of
that community went we can't have that because then it dropped as soon as musk kind of didn't
live up to the standard right as soon as he went onto snl and didn't do anything with it
dogecoin just plummeted and so the community went well we can't have that we need to do that without

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people like musk and so now they're trying again with sheba and then after that it's
going to be another one like floki or something like that and it's not based on anything other
than humanity saying forget this if it's our money we're going to put it into something that benefits
us rather than putting it into the bank where it benefits the bank and then the bank charges me to

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have money in the bank benefiting them like it just doesn't make any sense right and so that's
that's a big thing that's a big thing that changes a lot of things and i and i really wonder how much
uh of a media response or how much the media is going to avoid this conversation when it
can't vilify it because there's so much money in cryptocurrency right now there are so many big

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people invested in cryptocurrency that it's becoming harder and harder to make it sound
less credible it's getting harder and harder to ridicule it when you've got billionaires invested
in it and i just think that's great yeah it does seem like it's becoming increasingly difficult and
it'll be cool to see what happens over the next 10 years or so do you have do you have any of the

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meme coins do you ever get in on those yeah for sure for sure and and the only reason is because
nothing means anything anymore man like it's so funny to me because the world i grew up in because
i i i was raised at the tail end of the 70s i grew up i was born at the tail end of the 70s
grew up through the 80s and the 90s and then and whatnot and i've watched the world change from a

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very different pace to this incredible roaring machine just hurling down the tracks just just
just the incredible rate of change that's happening and throughout all of that what's
really changed has been the narrative that we tell ourselves collectively a lot of our narratives

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almost all of our narratives whether they be cultural or spiritual or economic or governmental
all of our narratives are starting to change we're questioning everything scientific otherwise right
and so i think that that that is the biggest thing to watch right now is exactly how
interesting and how questionable and uncertain things are getting because in that state we
have the most potential and in that potential we're seeing things being created that at one

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point we didn't think were possible and sure technology is helping to some degree with that
but more importantly our minds are creating these things with the technology that makes
them possible now like back in the 30s there was somebody i don't remember his name i wish i could
who actually envisioned that one day we would be walking around with screens that allowed us to

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watch videos and talk to one another and we could see through them and they would have windows on
them and this was in the 30s somebody imagined that and sure enough here we are now so it's we
we've always had the potential we've always had the capacity for vision we've always
had the capacity to go beyond what we know now we're just expressing it at such a pace

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that everybody who who maybe maybe isn't wondering like if they should or not or whether they're
smart enough to or whether you know they have the right credentials to are exploring things
and i find that great because one of our biggest killers as a society is the fact that
we charge for schooling it doesn't make any sense there are so many very smart people

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who could do incredible things with their gifts if they could access schooling and not suffer
from a student debt to do so right like how how askew are our priorities as a people when we
charge children to learn how to improve our society as people

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doesn't make any sense yeah it is quite interesting it seems yeah it seems like
more and more people are starting to realize all these things that we've sort of relied on and
you know i was born in the mid 90s so i didn't experience everything going through you know
20s 30s 40s 50s 60s and everything but it seemed like there was a lot more faith in

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the system and and reliance on the system as you know kind of the way things are and there
there weren't as many i don't know i'm just seeming it seems like there weren't as many
you know questions of it and now it's like i feel like we're getting to a point where we're like
why the [ __ ] do we need any of this maybe we don't maybe we don't need any of this at all and

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maybe we can just live here on earth is maybe it was more so intended without all of this [ __ ]
layered on top and just being you know starting it seems like maybe it's starting with our own
sort of currency that's bringing the power back to the people like truly instead of you know whatever

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the next politician's going to spew out of their eyes right well that's it right it's funny that
you know our our way of governing ourselves our way of controlling the world or our way
of running this system is very much akin to the spectrum of danger when it comes to using a drug
right because there is a certain spectrum in drug use where it's beneficial it's actually helping

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your body to process or it's helping you deal with trauma or it's helping you deal with ptsd
or it's helping you deal with anything like that but then there goes beyond that point
where you're using it so frequently that it's creating more of a consequence than a benefit
and so as with everything it's finding balance depending on on where you are in that spectrum
depending on your pain depending on your suffering depending on your need right but always being

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aware that over commitment to this thing creates a consequence and that's very much the same as
our system right like the idea of of credits is a smart idea because if i have a chicken and i
want to trade that for some cheese that cheese is probably not worth the whole damn chicken

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so what am i going to do i'm going to try and you know get somebody to kill the chicken cut the
chicken in half trade it with somebody else that's really complicated so instead i'm just gonna sell
the chicken for four credits the cheese is one credit uh three credits left to go and spend on
something so that makes sense right like that's just very simple like there's nothing about that
that doesn't make sense but then we took that and we went yeah and i'm going to lend you

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some credits and for doing so i'm going to earn some credits just for holding on to your stuff
and it's like hold on like now we're making money for holding on to money like now now
it's no longer serviceable you're literally earning for not doing anything and so we
kind of got carried away the the opposite the the alternative was the trade and barter system which

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worked just fine except for of course with the lack of credits it became more complicated to do
but that's why you had a general store right like that's why you had the town store where everything
was kind of gathered so you could bring your stuff in and trade with the person who owned the store
and they could divvy it up and trade it amongst the rest of the town it made more sense right
everything just gets caught up and and it becomes habitual and then we forget where it came from and

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so instead of just the function we get caught up in the form yeah and then we people start asking
who aren't as familiar with it or children and we're just like shut up it's just the way it is
just the way things are but yeah thinking back to like and that's you know when i when i

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especially on mushrooms or something like thinking about how there is a reason for everything that
we do but it kind of gets forgotten almost like you know keeping you know we like to be secretive
about how much money we have because it's not like maybe people treat you differently because

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of that whatever but way back it was because you didn't want your money to get stolen it's like you
could be super open now about how much money you have and not have to worry about it getting stolen
someone's not gonna like actively try and hack it because you have you know a million dollars versus
if they thought you had ten thousand they might just like treat you differently which is also

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a whole another strange thing but like i i guess it's i don't know is that human nature i don't
know well that's a good question no that's exactly it is is it human nature or is it just another
another example of us forgetting the function and getting lost in the form right and because

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our need to have more than we need is something we should look at in more detail right like there are
billionaires billionaires that's that in itself is ridiculous i mean anybody who says it's not is is
obviously just wanting to be a billionaire because that's where that argument comes from right it's

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like no there's nothing wrong with it well you want to be one yes of course and there you go okay
so that's why there's nothing wrong with it but at the end of the day okay so perfect example and i
know i've kind of griped about this before because it bothers me and it bothers me and i understand
my opinion is irrelevant in this case i'm just more or less harping on it because i want to

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but deepak chopra is worth 140 million dollars eckhart tolle is worth 70 million dollars
at least okay so and i understand i don't expect them to give all their money away
but when we start talking about 10 million and up how much do you need

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exactly what is it for right and if we're talking if you especially if you've made your money
talking about getting out of your own way removing your need for identity and control over moving
what's going on like why why why are we why are we hoarding why why aren't we being an example of
what we're talking about and at the end of the day i would love to see people who don't do that like

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there are plenty of speakers who didn't do that krishnamurti never you know became extravagantly
wealthy you know tic not ha never came became extravagantly wealthy and these are people who
brought great insights to the world right alan watts wasn't overly right and is why it's because
they they put their money and their attention into things that had to do with other things other than

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money right like i'll be the first to say if i had a million dollars i would more than likely
be out giving stuff to people or or giving food to people or something because i don't need a
million dollars i don't i mean at the end of the day there were certain things that i would like
that would give me the ability to say stop paying rent right that just makes sense in terms of

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growing my own food or becoming self-sustainable in terms of energy or anything like that i mean
that just makes sense for the long term but outside of those things i don't really need
anything i don't really want anything and and the idea of having an excessive amount of money to
me just gives me the opportunity to create things that could help other people change their position

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by giving them an environment that is conducive to them actually changing his people right like
being able to say to somebody who's struggling with homelessness hey i've got you know 40 acres
about an hour out of town there's a bunch of tiny houses on it we've got you know some hemp in the
field we're we're doing hemp oil in the one warehouse you know over here we're doing some

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other stuff with that we're videotaping everything so we're helping the world learn want a place to
live right all of a sudden that that person is getting out of their environment they're getting
out of all their influences they're getting a fresh start and they're doing so by not only
creating um change in their own life but learning about how to create social change and collective

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change and being an example to other people doing this to help them do the same thing like
where's all the money like elon musk the other day said something i think it was to the world
health organization or world food bank or something like that it's like you know um if
you can show me how me giving you two billion or six billion dollars is going to end world hunger

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i'll do it it's like you pop a stick like like just because it doesn't end it doesn't mean it
can't help like i'm sorry are we too busy trying to get to mars to worry about the people that are
starving here right and and that's the thing is that feeding starving people doesn't make me look
awesome doesn't make me you know an astronaut and that's really what it's about and it's

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like how much do you need like 140 million dollars and again i'm not trying to rip on
on deepak because i love this stuff right but that's a lot of goddamn sandwiches man
so why like why do you think these people like eckhart tolle deepak tour pro like

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do you think they cause if they are truly
talking about these things the way that they are then do you think they
don't act do you think they're like a tiny bit full of [ __ ] or do you think
they are just just enjoy their comfort because or or even with like our toll like his seminars are

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really [ __ ] expensive and you know he could make that free like and and do
massive ones you know like why i don't know like why do you think that they are like
that because i i think that and this is from my own experience um it's very difficult not to be

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in the world that we live in right like i have more often than not come up with an idea for you
know a series of workshops or or a book or or a documentary or something with the idea that yeah
i can charge good for this right and then upon about halfway through

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designing it if that sometimes about five minutes into even conceptualizing it i go
right but i don't want to charge for this and and and that's it because i know what
it's like to go through it i know what it's like to be lost and then at the end of the day
that's more important to me i i've you know been without so many times that i know that

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i'll be fine right and but it becomes harder to do that when when suddenly you have money and
everybody around you has money and they're all telling you like oh you're not being selfish i
mean you got to take care of yours you know you got children or blah blah blah like it's
what what we all do just donate to charity right you get a tax write-off in it and so you end up
swimming in this certain mentality again and it just becomes very easy to justify what at

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one point when you were suffering you would have looked down on you would have condemned right and
it's just comfort again comfort comfort really does blind us that that that's the thing like
one uh one comedian i i really respect is dave chappelle and it's because when he was running
chappelle show and it wasn't feeling right he walked that was more important to him

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he walked away from a lot of money right and and he talks about that in his more recent stuff but
it was the walking away that informed a lot of his more recent stuff it informed who he became
right so it was it was more important to him to not lose himself and as a result i respect the

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hell out of him for that right like it's that's that's a big step and it becomes something that
admittedly is hard for people to keep doing over time it's just very tempting to always
to to want to feel superior especially when you have people going oh he's so enlightened oh my god
he's so awake oh my god like you know he's full of wisdom it's really tempting to go yeah right

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who doesn't want to feel that way but that again is that over investment in identity there's a me
there taking credit for it there's a me there that's separate from everybody else and justifying
my comfort as a result right so yeah it's uh it's interesting i think there's a good
a good degree of learning to be done about the value of knowing what's enough

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yeah yeah i feel like that's a bit of a lost art i don't know like or a completely
lost art these days but i do find it it's it's interesting because i'll
get you know comments and i know we've talked about this before on videos like
oh like this is you're the man or like you're a genius or blah blah it's like very uncomfortable

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because it's that thing where you know someone finds out that i played division one baseball in
college and they're like oh you you must have been a really good baseball player and it's like what
do you want me to say to that like do you want me to say yeah i am pretty good because that will
or or if i say more so on the side of like i was okay then it's like if this person really wanted

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to play division one baseball and they didn't they're like oh well [ __ ] me like i must have
been terrible if you were just okay and you played at that level and it's like we're like there's no
great way to go and it's just kind of i try and be in the middle like yeah i was i was all right
you know i had my good my good days and my bad days you know stuff like that and it's but it's

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the same for comments like oh i made like you know just people hyping you up and it's like obviously
i don't mean any ill will by that at all but it's it it can be very uncomfortable and it's i think
it's difficult to respond a lot of times i'll just you know like the comment instead of like saying
thank you even because i know it's just weird it's hard i i get that and there's a part of me that

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and i'm sure i'll do this at some point just to express to the people who do leave those comments
like they're appreciated they are they like that i appreciate the comments and the appreciation
right but i don't want to go out of my way to go thanks that's awesome i'm great because i'm i
i've spent so long trying to avoid the temptation that goes with those accolades right but

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and this is something that's dawned on me recently and it's made a lot easier to take those
compliments is that because i know i don't need the accolades i'll take them thank you i mean what
the hell i might as well just say thanks and and and move on but but sometimes the compliments have
hidden meanings with them and in those cases i think it's important to correct people like i had

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somebody comment on uh i made a video about reincarnation or the afterlife or something like
that and somebody went like yeah this is great you know i can't wait to get to the heaven that
is waiting for me after i'm like that's not what i was saying that that's that's very much not what i
was saying i'm really glad you enjoyed the video but i need to make a response to this and and you

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try to do so as lightly as you can because you're not trying to insult anybody but on the other hand
there is almost a responsibility or at least i feel that that sense of responsibility to clarify
any misunderstanding based on what i've said because i certainly don't want that to be
the case i don't want somebody to not have ears to hear and then take what i've said

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and create toxicity that they could have avoided had they just asked for a little bit of clarity
yeah certainly i found i think there are a few comments on that um did you see the
manifestation video i made today running through the airport and yeah i saw some comments on there
and i feel like some people were kind of misunderstanding and and because i

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was trying to express like it's not you know chasing versus attracting it's like the idea
of thinking what's best is what you or what you want is what's best it's like questioning that
whole thing that you know because most of the gurus out the guru manifestation gurus out there

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will say like you know you can attract whatever you want and that video is questioning like
what you want maybe directly taking energy from what what's best for you essentially and i had
people commenting that you know you never exactly know how someone's perceiving something i guess
but based on the comments it seemed like you know they they were thinking that it was

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more so you know giving energy to an idea and it's like no just allow the universe to bring it to you
but it's still you're still tied to the thing you want and it's it's questioning that it's
not questioning like whether you should go get it or you should allow it to come to you
it's like what is the thing that is going to get or coming back it's like that's what i'm

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questioning it's like that's the thing it's like you how do you know that's what you need
because there's a lot of cognitive dissonance behind the entire manifestation movement i'm
really looking but i'm just going to take a break brief moment here just to mention to our
listeners that we actually have a manifestation workshop that's starting next tuesday on november
16th it's gonna be four weeks an hour and a half each week one hour of presentation and then a

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half hour of q a and we're going to get into the nitty-gritty of manifestation because there is so
much to this conversation and we're going to try and avoid getting too deeply into it right now but
don't miss the workshop if this is something you're you're struggling with if this is something
you're interested in this is something that i have a great deal of experience in in general

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and i know andrew does as well in terms of just being familiar with manifestation as a topic and
and what the promise of it tends to be and what the reality of it actually is so don't definitely
don't don't miss that but back to what you were saying um there is a certain degree of cognitive
dissonance when we're talking about something that promises an end result right and so i've done the

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same where i've made videos about manifestation about you know focusing on an end result
creates a sense of lack and the response from a law of attraction coach was right so you just have
to let go of what you want and it'll come to you and it's like you can't lie to yourself like that

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that's a nice thought you can't go i don't want it is it here yet that's not how that works like you
still you're still wanting it and then that's the if you truly don't want it what are you
envisioning what are you letting go of right like you're letting go to receive that's not letting go
right but it feels good and it sounds good and so

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there's a wall there after a certain point depending on who you're talking to
they don't want to let go of that idea that i'm just tomorrow's going to be better
because i'm going to have what i want and it's like but even when you have what you
want if you're not the kind of person that can appreciate it or enjoy it or make the most of it

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is tomorrow going to be better right and and that that conversation gets so real and and it still
has to do with manifestation it's not to say that you you aren't in fact having some great degree
of influence over your life it's just that that that influence wanes with your lack of clarity

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so clarity has to be the first step yeah yeah it is yeah it's it's i feel like i've been on
a roller coaster in the last i don't know three months or so just all over like changing a lot all
you know good things it's been a fun roller coaster for sure but
yeah the idea of that idea of lying to yourself is so and we talked about that earl that might have

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been before we started this podcast on our first conversation the idea of manifesting because i
was going through like you know i am so grateful and my heart is so warm now that i have 10 million
dollars in my bank account and kind of like that sort of standard verbiage of manifesting and
you're like well are you can you lie to yourself like you're lying to yourself right do you have

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10 million dollars right now i was like well well no but it feels i feel good because i feel
like i have it already they're like yeah but you don't it's like yeah you're right
it's like that but that's kind of the standard of like manifesting and it really does you realize

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like it does immediately create this sense of lack because you can't lie to yourself
you know you don't have 10 million dollars you don't you know you don't have that you know car
you know relationship or 20 pounds of weight lost or whatever deep down so at the end of
the day you can't lie to yourself but i don't know i feel like it's good

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knowing that it's coming or i feel good just just believing that it's coming and then
that's that's no different than waiting for the second coming yeah yeah
right like you're you're just coping with the sense of lack that that's ultimately being
exacerbated by your coping and and that's that that vicious loop right like we we try to get

(50:57):
away from our misery not realizing that trying to get away from our misery makes it worse
there's no easy way to sell that there's no easy way to package that up and and give it to somebody
and go hey guess what you got to actually learn how to smile through that [ __ ] sandwich that's
that's what you got to do right because that's what's going to change the flavor nobody wants

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to talk about that right because it sounds really unpleasant but it's because we've been running
from it for so long it's like we were saying once about you know somebody who has a habit
of lying have somebody who has a habit of being dishonest or or just exaggerating the truth in
order to protect themselves from people's negative perceptions the hardest thing in the world is for

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that person to tell the truth the first time right because they have to break the cycle
they have to stop trying to maintain the web of what everybody might think and everything else and
so they have to they have to take that leap and just go i don't know how this is going to turn out
here it is right but it's so hard the first time and then the second time way easier third time not

(52:04):
a problem right and by the time you're a thousand times down the road you're like you know what i i
used to lie right because you've just walked so far into the other direction it's like we
were talking about earlier before we started the podcast in terms of of the fields within awareness
right that there are certain directions that you can take in the same way that there are no levels
in spirituality there are only directions towards yourself and away from yourself that is it right

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and so it's very much the same with with our awareness is that we can choose a direction and
that direction is either going to be deeper into the perception or the uh the belief in division or
more towards the reality which is ultimately a lack of identity and a lack of control and a
lack of certainty and that just happens to be the experience of being whole

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yeah do you think so do you think then relying you know manifesting is pretty much no different and
relying on an idea of money or wealth or fame or success is relying on something outside of
yourself no differently than relying on god or jesus or anything like that it's like the same

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feel like same path sort of unfeeling and reliance but on the other hand there's so much more danger
right because you can believe that that god is helping you and then you can cherry pick certain
things that happen in your day as evidence that god is helping you but if you've got a big fat
you know wad of cash you have some control like you in this society all of a sudden now you have

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the capacity to directly influence the things that are happening in your day and so that's very easy
to believe in right it's very easy to believe in that sense of control even though it's not control
it's just the appearance of control like you sure you can get anything you want but that still
isn't changing you as a person as the ability to appreciate getting what you want right like so

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it's just again the superficial appearance and so we believe in that like if i have enough of that
then i'll be happy it's like nope because money won't change who you are right it'll just polish
who you are so if you're an ass now you're going to be a bigger ass because you have the capacity

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to be right and that and that's that's really it it just comes back down to the same thing it's
nothing outside of ourselves will ever provide the sense of fulfillment that we wanted to
damn that is a jarring yet freeing realization for sure and it reminds me of the jim carrey

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quote i wish everyone could realize their hopes and dreams to realize that that's not the answer
all their hopes and dreams fames and fortunes but yeah the uh when you were mentioning the the lying
aspect of that first step is the most difficult one it reminded me on the plan today i didn't
finish it i only watched the first half but a free guy with ryan reynolds watch the first half and

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is awesome there's there is a part when uh i don't want to give any this won't give anything away but
he's talking to his friend in the game uh the uh security guy and he's like what is you know what
is the point you know of all this like why does it matter and his friend is like well

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here here and now this moment is is real like whether we're real or not or anyone anything
is ever real like this moment between two friends discussing is real and does it really matter after
that and that was like his his switch and that was sort of like right after that the plane landed

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yeah it's a brilliant movie it's really really well done and the symbolism is fantastic but
and i wonder about this because there have been a great many movies where the the message is there
like it's in there and sometimes it's intentional and you can see what it is and then sometimes it's

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almost like it's not it's almost like the symbolism is within the movie without them
even noticing it right and so i wonder about that when it comes to our collective awareness because
we are always expressing the changes within our awareness and so we have like you you can tell
how movies have evolved over the last 100 years right like the storytelling has changed the way

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those stories are presented has changed the way characters develop has changed and it's also
changed according to how our understanding of our self has changed our understanding of our own mind
and how we deal with one another as human beings has contributed to how stories are written now
compared to how they were 30 years ago right and so i just find it really interesting when we look
at some of the messages that are in these stories how profound they are right even the lego movie

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was profound like it was fantastic the whole thing about being a master builder
that's amazing that's exactly it just allowing yourself to be clearing your mind right like it
it really just comes down to the fact that we or i or you or awareness whatever you want to call it
is talking about what it's going through the messages are all around us all the time like

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i find it so interesting that despite how egocentric and controlling the government is
as a whole that if you were to listen to joe biden's speech when he was made president there's
one word in that that you hear over and over and over again despite the fact that his he has his
own political agenda despite the fact that he does everything to contradict this word it is

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the one word that kept echoing over and over and over again in awareness that day and it was unity
i find that amazing what was before there was uh barack obama yes we can
right like these are echoes of awareness these are echoes of our sentiment unfortunately they're

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used and twisted by marketers and and public relations and propaganda and everything else sure
but they can only use what we're showing them is there that's awesome yeah it is really cool to see
and with that guy you know uh free guy is it's so and it is and because it is kind of like at

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a high level the storyline i could totally see that you know being made into a movie you know
the video game versus you know people being in the video game out of the video game virtual reality
like we're kind of coming to that but then within that i it was like it was so clear to me watching
it nice could easily see why you said i should watch it but it's almost like i do i was sort

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of wondering like is this is someone directing this or writing this script do they actually
think that because it could easily not be it could easily just be you know kind of that surface level
idea but it's so and that's one thing right where we're at yeah think about what we're saying there

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right what we're saying is that it just happens to be there like it just happens to be there
and they think they're sending an entirely different message how often is that happening
right like how often is there multiple messages happening despite somebody's intention
that amazes me to me that that's how we're talking about the universe speaking right is

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when you start you look at something that you've looked at a thousand times and you see it in a
different way you're just like oh that's awesome that's new right and it's like yeah and it's all
there it's all there that that's what always gets me is that this moment that i'm in right now every
experience of this moment every perception of it from being totally depressed to being totally free

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exists right here and i can just choose one yeah it's it's really cool and it's
almost like does it even matter if if they're doing it purposefully or not and
and it's like can they even take credit if they were doing it purposefully would they would they
take credit if they were doing it purposefully right and there's so many movies like like um

(01:00:26):
groundhog day have you watched groundhog day i have a while maybe like 10 years ago that movie
yeah man man if you want to talk about the lessons you would learn being eternal
that movie's awesome it'll just rip you apart man it's so good it's so good because

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you don't know how many days bill murray repeats and and the author actually said it was probably
like hundreds of years like it just it just kept going for him and through all of that
he's learning more and more about himself but you'll see his character go through the process
of resenting it then trying to use it then trying to benefit from it to get a sense of happiness and

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then getting frustrated that he couldn't and then finally surrendering and it's the whole
journey is just beautiful and that's the journey of our eternal awareness right like that's the
journey that we go through individually and and the only question is you know how quickly can we
go through that collectively how quickly can we get through that process of understanding

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that we are hurting ourselves by trying to benefit ourselves so do you think like within
our awareness do you think we've gone through it multiple times or do you think there's you know
it's like sort of cycles within a larger cycle or just what do you mean by we do you mean humans

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right because this is this is the journey all the time in every variation on different levels
and different scales is this is the journey is towards ourself and away from ourselves and and
and there are so many intricacies in that journey and and considering how many species there are
doing different parts of that journey on different levels and like it's so interconnected but it's

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always this it's always this towards ourselves and away from ourselves it's always that moving back
and forth and oscillating within oscillations like and that's why it gets to the point where
it's just a giant pool right like the ocean's in a drop right like it's so hard to conceptualize or

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talk about because you're talking about infinite causality it's not even cause and effect anymore
right because everything is causing everything everything else to be a cause and then that's
causing the original cause and there's no doubt there's no goddamn time and so what are
we talking about right so like it's just it's so massive that all you can do is sit in awe

(01:02:57):
once you truly recognize it and that's enough once you recognize it you're just like damn
why would i want to believe in something that would minimize this experience
it's a great question i don't know if i have a good answer for you
i guess unless you know you're just tied to that perception but yeah that's it right it's just

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it's it's familiar and it's comfortable and and it's the devil i know and uh i think that that's
the one thing that really changed for me in my life was that i just didn't want it anymore it
really just came down to the decision and i think i think this is true for everybody regardless
of your situation if you are done with with the consequence that you are experiencing emotionally

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if you're done with the sense of lack that you're going through if you're done with the frustration
and the expectation that you habitually go through that's that's the biggest part
is deciding i am done this is enough i've experienced enough of this that i'm going
to question it no matter how uncomfortable it is because the alternative is just more of this and

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that's that's the decision once you make that decision it doesn't mean it's going to be easy
but it does mean that the rate of change is going to pick up and you are going to start noticing
how quickly you are adapting to things because you're allowing yourself to be uncomfortable
i just have to plug my computer in real quick it's uh yeah i didn't have my charger

(01:04:32):
no problem and as andrew plugs in his computer i just figured i would mention because i always
failed to do so that andrew and i actually do have a patreon page where we post some of the
conversations that we have during our tick tock live streams and we post some of the conversations
that we have before and after our podcast there's a lot of extra content that goes onto our patreon

(01:04:54):
page it's very much worth contributing five dollars or more per month just to get access
to that content but in addition to that i'm also doing a giveaway in november and december
to any of our patreon supporters i will be giving away a free 50-minute one-on-one coaching session
uh via zoom for november that'll be a draw on november 20th and currently since there

(01:05:16):
are only three patreon supporters it's one of those three people who's going to win that that
hour-long coaching session so if you're interested now is definitely the time to go and join patreon
likewise in december i will be giving away three hour-long coaching sessions via zoom
so just being a patreon supporter there will get you into the draw for that as well um

(01:05:37):
and that was just the quick announcement and andrew seems to be back so we'll continue on
i'm back yeah there is a high likelihood of winning that right now so get in there because
the outs are the odds are pretty high but um yeah i for i totally forgot what the last thing
you were talking about was that's okay that that's actually that's a good point to to

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bring up because it doesn't matter right like that that's the thing is that whatever thought
process we're having at any given point is the thought process that we're supposed to
be having at that given point or at least it's the thought process that we're having right and then
you know as long as as long as we're having that thought process for the right reasons which means

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for ourselves um we can just pick up wherever and continue on because the conversation is really
just about us growing as people it's not even about what we were talking about right it's about
the continuing growth is people and i always enjoy that about conversations like this because
i have a very few amount of friends who i know i cannot talk to for years

(01:06:42):
see them sit down and carry on as if we were just talking an hour before and it's just because the
conversation is not about the details right the conversations about being in the conversation
right we just pick it up from there and that's the best kind of relationship to have is one
where there's no need there's no need to try and impress anybody there's no need to try and like

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oh i'm sorry no just be where you are all right let's continue on yeah i've a few friends that
i can like they come to mind immediately where it's just like it literally doesn't matter what
we're talking about what we're doing we're just enjoying the time together and the experience and
and yeah the idea of there not being you know a path or anything that really matters like it's

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it's getting away from the idea that there is a rigid path that you have to be on and there
is a right thing to do and there is a thing you should be doing and there is a path you should
be following and that has been a massive part of my life and it's like all of a sudden i'm here
in this awareness here now and it's like it is like that field you were talking about in power

(01:07:55):
versus force and it's not like this direction forward it's just kind of like i'm sitting
in this massive field and there's an infinite number of directions and there's nowhere that
i feel like i should be going or need to be going but i'm here now and i know that and i'm enjoying
being here now and it's like there it's almost it's almost because there is less of a

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focus on the future i guess that it it creates this sort of infinite directional
potential infinite potential here and now as opposed to you know picking a point and being
like trying to go there instead it's like i can go anywhere and i'll be okay here and now and it's
it's awesome that's so funny because it reminds me um when i was early on waking up to all this

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the visual that came to me was that it was like the difference between sitting in a dark room
with a floodlight pointing the floodlight trying to see something or turning the floodlight off
and allowing my eyes to adjust so i could see everything and that's exactly what it's like
it's all of a sudden your very specific awareness becomes an overall general awareness and that is

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where your awareness actually increases it's funny i always describe it in terms of like
having a battery and then connecting a bunch of light bulbs to that battery right the more light
bulbs you connect the dimmer each light bulb gets right but if you disconnect all the light
bulbs that one remaining light bulb just shines bright as hell right and that's that's that's
awareness that that's exactly it we carry all of this stuff thinking it's going to make it and make

(01:09:37):
our life better and it actually decreases our ability to have influence over what's happening
yeah it allows for all of that energy to be here and now and all of a sudden things become clearer
and you're not weighed down by all these other you know light bulbs that are used in the energy

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or baggage or you know ideas of yourself or perceptions of the world because they
directly or things you think you want or you think you need because they all take away directly
from that energy that could be here and now and it seems like for a lot of people it's

(01:10:18):
just that they don't have you know the energy here and now because it's getting
used by so many different you know thoughts and and perceptions and ideas and judgments of
how things are when you don't have to take all of them so seriously but if you're tied to them
they'll they'll be taking that energy forever yeah yeah and i mean how sad is it that the outcome

(01:10:44):
you want to manifest is being held back by the energy required to criticize your manifestation
once say that again right like manifestation requires energy but as soon as you're criticizing
yourself for not getting that manifestation as soon as you're judging your progress you've just

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dropped all your energy so how often are you avoiding getting the often the outcome you want
by judging how quickly you're getting there yeah yeah certainly and i feel like a counter argument
that you know manifestation gurus will say is that you know there is no timeline like it'll happen

(01:11:29):
when it's best right or like when it's supposed to happen or whatever but at the same time like
what if it what if it doesn't happen or something right that's it and more importantly what if it
not happening is the absolute best thing for me yeah what if that is what's going to trigger me

(01:11:50):
to learn something about myself to learn where i've been holding myself back or holding myself
in too serious of a light in terms of my ego what if that experience of not getting that thing
is what helps me get to the state of mind where i can appreciate what i do get which one do i want

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good question yeah i think the answer is fairly obvious but it really is and it comes down to
what we were talking about before about you know no amount of things that you manifest that you
think you want are going to change you and it's about you here and now and it's always is and it
always will be and it always has been and there isn't much much else to it quite frankly no but

(01:12:35):
it's it's easy to get caught up in the really easy to market concepts right and like there was um
oh god i can't remember who it was it was it was a manifestation guru and he was uh doing a video
and he's like you know i've worked with all the top minds i've worked with you know eckhart tolle
and oprah and i've worked with with joe dispenza and i've worked with sad guru and

(01:12:57):
we all agree the number one thing you need to do is practice gratitude
it's like wow that sounds really nice what if i'm grateful for things that reinforce my ego
what if i'm grateful for things that actually are contributing to my suffering what if i don't have

(01:13:18):
the clarity to understand what to be grateful for so it's not the silver bullet that it's made out
to be and and that that conversation right there means half as many book sales right and and what
kind of proof of manifestation is that right like i want to prove manifestation works by enriching

(01:13:43):
myself and making half the people who listen to me suffer because i didn't give them the full picture
but doesn't sell books so yeah it's going to be a really good workshop you know
yeah i'm very excited for it me too me too um yeah this this is um this workshop is very much

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a workshop that i have avoided doing for the last 10 years even even when i was life coaching i
didn't i don't generally talk about manifestation because of so many of the pitfalls that go go with
it right because there is so much nuance to this conversation and so the idea that we're going to
get four weeks to talk about the six hours to just pound on it and talk to the people who participate

(01:14:36):
because of course there's there's the the live chat that happens and we accept questions as they
go on um i'm really looking forward to getting this out and and seeing exactly what this has
become for me now because that's that's really what i'm witnessing as well because i don't voice
this very often i'm just letting it i'm putting the quarter in and seeing what happens right and

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i'm realizing oh wow actually my perceptions of this my my view of this has actually changed a lot
a lot so i'm really looking forward to seeing how that plays out in our conversation
yeah and i think for me just you know realizing that i've been manifesting my whole life whether
i was aware of it or not and i you know have you know gotten things i wanted and i've gotten things

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that i needed that i never even could have conceptualized having ever and it was it was
mostly from just being here now whether i knew it or not and and i got into the last few months like
writing down manifestations of things that i want and then i pretty much stopped after our first

(01:15:49):
conversation because i was like yeah that makes sense like it it doesn't make much sense to be
you know trying to do those things and it's just taking like 30 minutes out of my day that
i could be spending doing you know walking around or enjoying something yeah exactly
so i'm excited too because i've you know rece just recently kind of come out of that side of it and

(01:16:14):
and before then wasn't even really aware of you know the whole realm of manifesting so
i'm uh i'm very excited for it that's a great topic there's so much involved with it right and
like it's it can get really deep and it can go in so many different directions and and it can
it can get really conceptual i mean you can get into the metaphysics of the whole conversation

(01:16:37):
or you can get just right into the application of it right how do i change what's happening today
and so that's why i'm glad that we're going to be covering this over four weeks because
it's just going to give us the ability to really focus on on individual topics as we did with the
social anxiety workshop that we just finished another quick announcement is that that social
anxiety workshop will also be available online in various different websites as a digital download

(01:17:03):
and you'll find a link to it on our website in in the near future probably by the end of the week so
if anybody's interested in that that's another six hours on the topic of social anxiety on identity
on self-judgment on on why we judge ourselves and some of the assumptions and expectations that go
with that it really is a deep dive into anxiety as a whole and the experience of being anxiety being

(01:17:27):
anxious around people and so if that's something that you're struggling with i definitely recommend
you pick it up as a digital download because we probably won't be doing another workshop on it for
quite some time though we are always willing to talk about it on a one-on-one level or on social
media if you'd like to contact us there yeah that workshop was a lot of fun i'm excited for that to
be packaged up i think there was yeah i think we pretty much expressed everything and it was just

(01:17:55):
six hours straight of talking about social anxiety and our experiences
and everything that we found to be helpful and you know answering people's live questions there
was this amount of questions and we were able to talk through it so i think there is
certainly benefit of being a part of the discussion um but yeah it was it was an awesome

(01:18:16):
workshop for sure and i'm looking forward to our next one coming up soon that's going to be so good
i i really enjoy running these workshops like we have a good float and that's that's one thing um
even my wife has mentioned watching our podcast is that uh we go back and forth really easily
and we tend to to stay consistent in what we're trying to talk about even though we do deviate

(01:18:40):
from time to time it's always within the realm of what's relevant to the conversation and so
it's definitely worth participating in another thing i wanted to mention about the patreon page
that i mentioned earlier is actually um every third third wednesday every third wednesday of
the month we actually have a supporter only live stream where you can jump into a zoom conference

(01:19:03):
with us and be on screen and actually talk to us live for an hour and a half and that's every third
wednesday of the month from 6 p.m to 7 30 p.m eastern time and again all you have to do is be a
patreon supporter to participate it doesn't matter what level um so if you do want to chat with us or
if you do want to jump in on that conversation that is definitely an easy way to do so because
we don't generally uh invite participants onto our live streams when we're talking on tick tock

(01:19:26):
or instagram so that's that's definitely the best way to jump into the group chat
yeah certainly yeah i've enjoyed those as well it's always it's always good conversation
so i'm excited for more and more people to you know join us as well in the discussions and
just i really like the q a part of it i think that's a lot of fun because we're able to directly

(01:19:50):
help you know and and talk about people's you know thoughts and things they're specifically going
through because as much as i think overarching you know discussions of topics helps it's it's
definitely more helpful if you can you know get questions in about your specific
experience because and and it just adds to the conversation that much more instead of having

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you know two perspectives it's all of a sudden you know 5 10 15 20. yeah and we can answer it in real
time it's so it's so very different than somebody commenting on it on a tick tock video and then
we make a response video but they don't get to reply in real time right and so if we if
we misinterpreted the question we there's you know there's no backseats we can't just say like my bad

(01:20:35):
let me try that again right it's already out there so at least in these live chats
you can actually express what it is you're you're wrestling with and we'll deal with it
right then and there and i'm i'm really excited about that episode 7a this is this is becoming
a lot of fun i i cannot believe how easy it is to do this um there's just so much to talk about

(01:20:59):
but we're seven episodes and the last one was two hours long so i'm glad we're cutting this down to
a reasonable time limit though admittedly we did talk for a half hour before we started recording
um this podcast and and that that clip will also be available on our patreon page so there's all
kinds of reasons to join us on patreon at the end of the day and there's also some options
for some other bonuses and some swag and some epic merchandise and accessories if you're interested

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but at the very least you can also get a bit of a voting say on what it is we're going to talk about
in these podcast episodes as well you get there you get the ability to suggest some topics and to
ask some ques some questions and of course we're actually going to do the occasional q a podcast
episode where it's just questions from the audience and so that gives you a chance to

(01:21:46):
get your your question prioritized in that in those episodes as well so definitely check it out
and um yeah i did want to ask you about something because somebody was talking
or somebody left this comment on one of our videos and they were asking if we could talk
a little bit about insecurity and self-judgment and i know we've kind of revolved around that
through this episode but i think what we're looking for when we're talking about these

(01:22:12):
things are really actionable things that we can use in our day-to-day life like when we're feeling
anxious or when we're feeling uh like somebody is judging us what's a good way to diffuse and
to diffuse that feeling and i'm curious what you would say to that question yeah um i think i think
realizing that you don't have to take those thoughts so seriously they aren't truth and

(01:22:37):
and becoming just aware of those thought processes and and when those feelings come up realizing that
you know because i think there's a it's almost like two different conversations of
when you're actively feeling anxious or you know judgmental of yourself versus you know when you're

(01:22:59):
not but you're trying to you know work on it there's like two different things and i think
when it comes into it people get caught up in you know i've been working on it so much but i'm
still feeling it like i'm still feeling anxious like i shouldn't be feeling this i've been put
so much work into it so they resist and try and suppress and try and get rid of it and it's like
in the moment in the moment of feeling those things it's okay like it's okay to feel them

(01:23:24):
you don't have to get rid of them you're not gonna be able to get rid of them and it's
okay to be feeling them and that the sooner you realize there's nothing wrong with it
the sooner and and that can be done outside of when you're feeling it
leading up to any sort of situation or when it you know there is a situation before

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i feel like i'm jumping around a little bit before that situation when you start feeling you know
anxious about getting anxious the potential of feeling anxious realizing that that's okay too
it's always okay and realizing that it's okay it's not this bad thing it's not this horrible
thing that you have to you know avoid at all costs all of a sudden you're not getting anxious about

(01:24:08):
feeling anxious because you know it's okay to feel anxious so it cuts it at its root and yeah
you'll still feel anxious i still get anxious all the time but i don't take it seriously and i know
that it's okay to feel it and i know that it's just a feeling and it doesn't define me and it's
okay to feel so all of a sudden it comes up and it passes through me just like any other emotion

(01:24:31):
exactly that's right that's that's an awesome answer that that's perfect and and
it's a really good point because we do judge ourselves for continuing to feel these things like
you know if i made the choice why am i still going through this and it's like the problem with with
choosing is that you have to keep doing it right it's never i've made the choice like i'm here now

(01:24:56):
right and i've had so many conversations regarding awareness or spirituality or being awake because
you'll often hear the term ego death right like oh i've experienced ego death it's like and now it's
passed and your ego is back let's deal with that right like this and i know it's bad because you
just said i'm experiencing ego death all of which is an active division uh right so there it just

(01:25:23):
we set ourselves up for this this expectation of an end point where all of a sudden it's just
no longer there and oddly enough it's not until we let go of that expectation of an end point that we
actually get closer to that end point right that's that's that everything is half-assed backwards i
say it all the time right but it really is it's just the more we're trying to get somewhere the

(01:25:46):
farther we get from it the more we're trying to be ourselves the less we are right and getting that
that that whole finger trap mentality right the more you pull the tighter it gets that changes how
you're going to interact with your own thoughts you're going to start looking at your thoughts
with a certain degree of suspicion and especially your first instinct on how to deal with that

(01:26:09):
thought with a certain degree of suspicion because you're going to just start practicing awareness of
how many different strategies you've tried so it's a it's a lot like um cracking a safe right
you're you're doing the different combinations but you really got to listen you really got to
pay attention to each and every turn in order to see what combination you're trying because if you

(01:26:30):
lose track then you've got to start all over again and you've got all kinds of consequences right so
that said it's just be suspicious of your thought and your response to that thought and eventually
you'll get to a state of mind where they have less sway over you because you're not giving them
the credibility to have that authority over you your belief in them isn't there

(01:26:52):
just just like we were saying earlier like you with the police you have to identify yourself
as being within their authority well with your thoughts it's the same thing you have to
basically decide you're under your thoughts authority you have to decide you are the victim
of your thoughts in order to be the victim of your thoughts certainly yeah and it comes back
to you know belief belief that it is truth and realizing that it's not and questioning it can

(01:27:19):
be hugely beneficial whether you're actively feeling it or you know working on it outside of
you know the physical feelings of it it's it's the questioning the constant questioning
of everything including yourself and your idea of yourself and your perception of yourself
especially especially yourself right like that that's that's really it and because

(01:27:46):
it's funny how we become scared if i question myself too much
you know i'm gonna lose all sense of who i am it's like that that's kind of funny
right because you're not your idea of who you are you can't you can't actually lose yourself
you can lose your idea of yourself but all that really means is you've unlocked your potential
yeah that infinite field of possibilities that you're all of a sudden you're sitting in

(01:28:10):
instead of you know being sure of whatever and then being afraid of losing it and being afraid
of being perceived differently it's like when there's nothing to perceive you don't
give a [ __ ] how you're perceived exactly that's it that that's that's it like i
don't even it doesn't even dawn on me that i should care what people think about me anymore
right because whatever they think it's not based on me right and i and i know that and i know that

(01:28:37):
because it's true for me as well right when i'm looking for something in others that's what i see
when i'm no longer looking for something when i no longer want to see the best in people then i
see people and i see who they actually are because my preference isn't in the way neither is my fear
right and and that's the only real way to deal with anybody is is to let down the walls that you

(01:29:02):
think protect you but also blind you from seeing who they really are right because i mean how can
you see them if you can't see you it's like jesus in the whole thing about you know remove the
beam from your own eye before you talk about the speck in mine right it's a hell of a visual right
yeah and it's it's the same wall the wall that's protecting you and the wall that's

(01:29:25):
you know creating this sense of security and the wall of division all the same wall
so funny so we're gonna wrap up this episode because i think we've approached an hour and a
half i know we've been talking for like two hours but um episode seven this has been great and then
uh next week of course we will be recording episode eight and on tuesday we'll be starting

(01:29:46):
our manifestation workshop so definitely don't miss that um this has been a great episode this
conversation's been a lot of fun it feels like even though i talked to you yesterday
um there's always so much time in between our conversations and there's always so many
things that happen i feel like i've lived another lifetime between the last podcast episode and this

(01:30:06):
podcast episode so i'm really looking forward to seeing how this continues to evolve episode seven
we you know we're on eight next that's that's that's awesome awesome yeah it's been so much fun
tonight yeah likewise well everyone we will see you next week for episode 8. thanks for joining us

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