S.1 Ep.8: You are the Change

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hello and welcome to episode 8 of dualistic unity i am andrew and i am
deeply suspicious of the character named ray but i'm enjoying my my time pretending that i'm him
that was my complicated answer for the day i love it yeah yeah and uh so we're just we're

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just discussing making ripples and i think being able to express things freely is is been a huge
shift for me recently and i think i think i was i was very close to it for a while almost like
like tiptoeing around these sort of ways that i feel now and i think there are a lot of people

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out there like that that are in spirituality or in have these other sort of beliefs and they've
they've attached to a certain belief system that's maybe not super super concrete as far to one side
as religion but it's it's still holding on to certain things and i think that sort of switch

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comes when you're able to realize that you don't have to hold on to those things and there's a lot
of people who are still even if they're just holding on to a few things they don't realize
how much they could benefit from letting those go as well and so it's exciting to see even with
uh talking to mary yesterday and being able to you know have these discussions with her and she

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was keeping up very well with it at her age it was so cool for me to see and you mentioned that
we were texting afterwards and i was like it's awesome to see someone that age you know do
that and you were like well i thought the same thing about you and i was okay i guess it's all
relative and it's all within our awareness so i was almost thinking of age as just another

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construct and it doesn't really necessarily while you know being older and having more experiences
could you know there may be more people who are just given that amount of experience can
get to that point but at the same time sometimes it can happen really early and sometimes
people who are older are so much farther away from it because they become so concrete yeah

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yeah the old expression that you know age begets wisdom isn't necessarily always true
right um but it is certainly true that and i think you were mentioning this in uh the
podcast that you were uh guest on recently that hardship right the difficulty that we go through
often is what inspires our awareness it's often what wakes us up it's going through the mess

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and so it really doesn't matter what age that is it gives us the potential to wake up
to another perspective of what we're going through i mean when you're under enough pressure you know
you're either going to get crushed or you're going to become a diamond right and so that's that's
very much the process and and it is inspiring when you see younger people clueing into it

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and at the same time you have to wonder exactly how many things in our environment are toxic
exactly how many things in our collective status quo are causing stress and are causing emotional
turmoil that we are in fact coming to these realizations so young without any gurus without
any elders without any shamans in our culture right because that's that was the influence back

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in the day right like we would have influence by people in this mentality that we're all one
they would come and they would talk to us and they would go oh they're still committed to their ego
you know send them out for a three-month spirit quest as it were let them rely on themselves
for a bit and they'll come back with some new perspectives but there was that guidance and so

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we we kind of kept growing organically that way through that guidance through learning you know
how to think that way but now now the pressure's just on all the time it's like i think back in
the 30s the government did a study on how many subjects or how many concerns the human brain can
actually juggle at any given time before it starts suffering before it starts actually shutting down

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due to stress and it starts blocking out other information i think it was like 30 to 35 things
that we can juggle day to day so when you think about taxes bills and you think about you know the
rules and the requirements of society and you think about what's happening in politics and the
religion and then you've got our own egotistical problems when we're trying to prop ourselves up
or we're lowering ourselves down habitually and so we're juggling all of this stuff all the time

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and you have to think wow no wonder you know all of a sudden it's like we're coming up for air
and in that moment of coming up for air we have an insight and that's
that's why it's so interesting to see it it's scary and at the same time super inspiring
yeah there's there's just so many things like if you really think about it there's
so many things you could worry about and it's like it's realizing that you don't have to

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worry about any of them if they're not here now and if they're here now that's not a worry it's an
action that you're doing it's a situation that you're handling and when it comes to that idea
that i was talking about on the podcast and uh for context uh i was on this podcast uh it's called
today's the future with libby redden a couple weeks ago but it came out a couple days ago and

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she was asking me because she grew up uh fairly outgoing um and and never really
dealt with she dealt with sorts of social or a source of anxiety but never really social anxiety
and she was always you know came up growing up was more outgoing and more
a leader type person and she was she was asking me why i think that so many creators similar to

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me or rey or even like you know the motivational people out there oftentimes dealt with social
anxiety because she has seen that with guests on her podcast there's been a trend of people who
talk about social anxiety and how to overcome it oftentimes dealt with it for a lot of their life
and i my answer was i think that makes a ton of sense because it not only allows for these people

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to have depth but they have figured out ways to handle it and now they are sort of on this
other side of the river and they're trying to help people get across because they know what it's like
to be on both sides and how much more relaxing and freeing it feels to be on the other side where you

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don't feel socially anxious or anxious or all these negative feelings all the time and ways to
deal with it so i think it makes a ton of sense that a lot of people who discuss it went through
something like that there's a quote i really like i forget who it came from but it's that suffering
is necessary until you realize that it isn't and i think that holds true in a lot of people's

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situations absolutely well i know that that was one of my chief motivators for a very long time
was and i used to joke around about it that i had spent so much time in hell that i i made a map
out right a very carefully detailed map on how to get out and and so every time i see somebody
who's in hell i'm trying to share parts of the map with them right like hey watch out for this

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part and you know if you go that way it won't be as bad for you and it's just because i i spent
so long there that you know i recognize it almost instantly and it's just because it feels different
right it actually feels like hell it feels like you're disconnected from everything
and and so when you suddenly find freedom what's odd is that you're in a state where you could

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focus on yourself if you want to but you almost don't want to now that you're free it's like
that's all you want to do is share that feeling with everybody else and and i find that amazing
because again it's the flip side of selfishness right because to some degree you have to be
selfish to find that freedom and then in finding that freedom that selfishness becomes selflessness

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yeah and i actually used this analogy on that podcast as well but the idea of you can only give
from an overflowing cup and a lot of people who are out there you know trying to change the world
and make the world a better place like great but a lot of them are trying to do that from a half
full or quarter full cup and it's like if your cup isn't full already all you're going to be do

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doing is expressing all these all this energy and emotions from a
very not maybe fully empty but partially empty cup and that's just gonna
be expressed through that so there's a degree of selfishness that you need to have
before you can truly help others and until that cup until you are at that point of

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freedom it doesn't mean you know like don't help a stranger if you see him on the street
suffering if if you're not fully happy yourself i'm not talking about that but in terms of
focusing on yourself and like realizing that it's okay to be selfish with your own life and
and happiness before you start trying to help anyone else and and until you that cup is

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overflowing you're not going to do much good anyway yeah absolutely because it's going to
be distorted to some degree by your own need right like that that's that's the problem i
mean i've met so many people i know i used to be this person actually where any help i i gave
was specifically for how it made me look it was specifically for how it changed my relationship

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with the person i was helping right and then of course it's like oh well you know can you help
me and oh no i'm busy well you know i helped you and if that's not really helping that's that's
again that's negotiating right that's that's more or less manipulation and so yeah it is difficult
when your cup is not full to offer anything to anybody and when you do it's super important to be

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careful why you're offering it and how much you offer right don't don't go don't go overboard and
making offers you can't live up to just for the sake of feeling like you you can right and that's
just self-honesty as well but uh yeah i've met a lot of people who go through that phase where
they're waking up and so the first thing that they want to do is help the world and somebody

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asked me about this on tick tock so i just wanted to address it quickly how do we deal with this
this very common sensation that happens when you start waking up to your connection to everything
that suddenly you feel like you should be saving everything suddenly you feel like you should be
on the forefront of rescuing consciousness of representing the universe and trying to make

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social change and basically being the hero the messiah complex and then that's often what happens
as we wake up to the fact that we are the awareness of the universe because it goes part
and parcel with the idea of responsibility as the awareness of the universe but
we get caught up in thinking that responsibility and control are the same thing right and we are

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the universe we're responsible for how we respond in our portion of what is but
that's all our responsibility is if you want to be a messiah if you want to be a hero
be the hero of your own story by setting yourself free of it and that is the only ripple that's
the most profound and meaningful ripple that you can send into the ether or into what is

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and if you live that way that ripple is continuous it's constant it's like a light that just keeps
getting brighter and it dispels the fog around it and so when you start to feel that way like i need
to save society i'm looking at humanity i see all this suffering address your own suffering address
the suffering that you feel within yourself and you'll you'll start to notice why you're

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focusing on the suffering around you it's because you're still focused on the suffering within you
yeah i think i think is it gandhi that says be the change you want to see in the world yeah i
think a lot of people misinterpret that quote and when they hear be the change you want to
see in the world they think it it's like make the change you want to see in the world and it's like

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no it's literally be the expression of that like be free yourself and that's
the extent of what you have to do like actually be that change don't go out and change everyone else
that's what the quote is saying is like be that change be that freedom expressed and people will

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see that and realize that it's a possibility and you know maybe they'll come up to you and ask
you know what got you to that point and that's all great but yeah i think i think a lot of people
when they also with i posted a video earlier this morning about caring what people
think about you and i think and i hadn't really thought about it until i started filming the video

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that if you're if you're if you care a lot about what people think of you you're expecting
something out of them because you're acting in a way expecting them or maybe not maybe you don't
want to label it as expecting but hoping that they'll like you so you're sort of expecting them
to like you in return for the way that you're acting for them and like they owe you to like

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they owe you to like you for the way that you're acting and so that people catch on
to that and that is that's why i think people are attracted more so subconsciously to authenticity
because they there isn't an expectation there if you're being yourself for yourself because that is
how you are and how you want to be like you're not expecting anything you're not expecting anyone

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to like you for that so people well it's a bit of a paradox but people the less you care what
people how much people like you the more they're gonna like you because of that subconscious those
subconscious feelings and if you're acting in a way and you care a ton about what everyone thinks
about you you're subconsciously expecting them to like you in return for the way that you're acting

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you're acting a specific way for their love and and expert like just likes and whatever
friendship it changes your perspective right like like you were saying about that quote be
the change you want to see in the world you can look at that in a couple in two different ways
depending on your perspective of yourself and that goes in for love thy neighbor as yourself

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right the typical thought about that is oh i got to treat people the way i want to be treated
it's like no no love yourself and you'll love your neighbor see it's love you love your neighbor
as you're loving yourself while during right it's not it's not treating them in any way whatsoever

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it's a result of your relationship with yourself right so love your neighbor as
you're loving yourself it's not about treating your neighbor the way you think you want to be
treated based on your ego that's not loving yourself and so it's always just it's how
we perceive it based on how we perceive ourselves that's why it's so the messenger

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is always a traitor as krishnamurti would say right you can you can word things perfectly
and it won't matter if they don't have ears to hear as jesus was saying too right even isaiah
in the bible says you know you have eyes but you do not perceive you have ears but you do not hear
yeah and that was that that actually came into my head yesterday in our live stream the ears to hear

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and i think that's sort of what i was trying to get across in like i think i sort of expressed one
side of the idea of people who don't necessarily agree with you or you know if you have family or
close friends that are just like don't want to hear any of it any of your questioning of
everything that is is like if people if someone doesn't have yours to hear they're not gonna hear

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until they do no matter what you do it doesn't mean that you shouldn't should completely stop
trying and expressing yourself in whatever ways but it's it's a sort of realization that people do
have to come to that on their own and it's not going to be a forced thing though it doesn't

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mean you shouldn't yourself change the way that you want to be and act and if you want to
express things and try and bring people along like that's your prerogative as well but until
they have years to hear they won't that's it right it's the parable of the seeds right
we're just throwing seeds that's all we're doing and some seeds are going to catch good

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ground some of them are going to get caught up in thorns doubt right some are going to
get carried away by crows which of course are are people who are trying to take advantage
of it right and some of them are going to grow 10 and 100 times bigger than anything else and
that's all jesus was really saying right but on the same token don't throw pearls before swine
right don't throw some insights that aren't appreciated don't don't keep trying to push

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you know these precious gems onto people that have no ability to recognize them as precious
or useful at all right and that's it so it's finding that balance between expressing yourself
because you want to and and recognizing when when you're expressing yourself because you need to
so there's a bit of a balance yeah yeah all about always about finding that balance so

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there are actually two things i wanted to bring up today and one of them was what we were talking
about at the end of our call yesterday with the metaverse and zuckerberg that crazy dude
and facebook and the idea of virtual reality and and like we might be getting there at some

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point soon in a world like that and it's i don't know it's kind of freaky to me i've never been
that into video games really ever um i don't know i think life is more like a fun video game but um
yeah the other thing is the other thing very true yeah seriously uh and then the other thing was if

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we get to it maybe we can save it for the next one but uh i want to talk about like your your
f the way that you kind of like the way that you eat and your lifestyle with that like if you have
certain because there's so many people out there because i follow i'm sort of in the
nutrition realm health nutrition fitness working out like i've always been interested in that

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um and there's so many people out there like telling people how they should eat and i just
think that's pretty annoying um like it's kind of your prerogative how you want to eat and i think
people get really really hung up on you know the nitty-gritty parts instead of just keeping it at
a high level understanding like this human's gonna die at some point so you could optimize everything

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as much as you want for the rest of your life and like maybe you'll get an extra year out of this
out of this meat suit but if if you suffer through that eating you know a bunch of
a diet you don't enjoy then i don't see a great reason for it but anyway so like those
are the two things i wanted to touch on uh at some point but which one do you want to go to

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i was gonna say i want to get to the metaverse because that is
i don't know that's just i i don't know a ton about it i don't think a ton about virtual reality
but it's not something i've ever been interested in i've never really been interested in video
games uh and and the idea of virtual reality kind of freaks me out that we might be moving towards a

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like combo type existence with that i mean we already kind of do to a degree
certainly with social media but the fact that yeah facebook rebranded the meta is
i i don't know that's like frightening well it's kind of a continuation of a habit that
humanity's always had right like it's not even with uh just with social media but so one of my

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first jobs was was in a grocery store and in the grocery store when you're running out of a product
you bring the product that's left to the front and you leave everything behind it empty right
and it's called facing and so what you're doing is you're just making it look like the store is full
so people have a feeling that they wouldn't if everything was pushed back right and so

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we do that with a lot of things right repeatedly like we're always creating a false reality to make
ourselves feel better and so the internet allowed us to do that to greater degree i
mean it's not like we haven't been playing with the idea of virtual reality for quite some time
but now we're getting to the point where we have the technology to basically create a face on

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reality in a way that up until now has been done through say governmental pressure like the uh the
olympics in china a little while back right there there were whole walls that were built between the
poorer areas and the richer areas in china just so the people going to the olympics wouldn't see
those poor areas right like so right there we're creating a reality again we're facing

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just like we did in the grocery store so now we have the technology to create another reality
where we can pretend we are anybody we want we can look any way we want we can design our
environment in any way we want and although it's not real neither is our ego and so we can get as
invested in into it as we want to and then of course you have the addition of nfts now and

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so all of a sudden people are going to be trading nfts as a as if they are actual real goods within
you know the the uh the universe that we're talking about in the metaverse
um and then from there on you're going to have people that are going to continue to try and
i guess upgrade their inputs how many sensations they can experience within the metaverse and

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so it really is just trying to get lost in our creation again which is the same thing
that we do when we create a fiction about ourself and so we're we're giving the ego
its own world aside from this world right we're actually giving it a place where it's like no no
you can't be yourself you can only be the projection you can only be you know what you want

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to show other people it's a whole other world and it's a whole other problem but on the other hand
it's kind of cool like i'm not going to argue about how cool it is i i've been around for
a while i love technology and i and i really enjoy video games but as always it comes down
to just because we can doesn't mean we should but on the other on the other hand there's some

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really interesting symbolism happening here because the internet is very much symbolic
of the connection that we have between one another right the connection that we have consciously
and so that's expressed physically in the world and so now we have a metaverse where
we're all in the space that doesn't exist communicating with one another instantly which
is just like sharing a universal awareness to some degree and so we're getting closer and closer and

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closer to trying to express i think the the change in consciousness that we're experiencing and i
think that that's just coming out in technology in the same way that it's coming out in movies and in
art and in conversations like this and and so on so yeah i think on the one hand it's it's it's
straight up dystopian and kind of worrisome but on the other hand it's an interesting expression

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of assist of a societal change of a collective change in our mentality that of course some rich
person is just trying to take advantage of in the best way that he can but but the technology
itself is is really interesting i mean there's a crypto uh currency that that basically is doing
the same thing except that it's decentralized um mana i think it's mana uh decentral and mana

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and so that's also creating a digital universe where you have digital goods and you can
you can interact with that but it's decentralized in a way that facebook wouldn't be controlling and
the corporations wouldn't necessarily be able to to dominate to the same degree so my hope is that
if the technology is going to continue forward and it's going to be used for something useful

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that it becomes decentralized and that it does get taken farther away from corporate interest
i was actually looking into uh some other some some of the [ __ ] coins uh just to
toss a little bit money in there on top of i've had bitcoin and ethereum for a while
but i was looking at mana um i i didn't get any but i might that's been everything's been down

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recently but that's been exploding that's been up like 10 every day lost a few days interesting
yeah it's coming right because that's what's happening i mean even even with the other
coins is that they're stabilizing right and this is the problem when you have so many
big corporate interests or you have so many whales is that um they can afford to wait and

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as the price fluctuates the people who are are hoping for a giant spike
they run across bills they run across expenses they have to sell or they panic and they sell
and so you just see that the tree gets shaken and all the leaves fall off and then the leaves
that are the most firmly rooted basically the whales and everybody else you can can afford to
wait it out they just stay there and then all of a sudden the next batch of investments come

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through or the next you know the next bit of hype so it's so important to try and wait it out with
cryptocurrency especially like i i can honestly say that if you hold on to what you have now five
years from now you will not regret it regardless of how much you have now right it's just
it's just a matter of time because the technology itself is the important part it's not even the

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cryptocurrency in terms of it being monetary value but it's it's the technology it's it's the level
of security it's the ability to communicate so quickly and and to do smart contracts and
everything else that might be possible as a result so invest in the technology if not in the currency
how when did you first get into cryptocurrency has it been a while or was it more recent

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so i i heard about bitcoin back in 2012 and i didn't get involved because
i was learning about the economic system in the ucc or i had a couple years previously and the
world bank and how you know the federal reserve works and all that and my first thought was oh
they're going to crush this they're going to crush it as fast as they can in the same way that they
did with uh ron paul's liberty dollar back in i think it was like 2006 basically it was it was um

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an alternate currency an alternate coinage that was being minted and used and yeah that the irs
and the federal reserve just cracked down on that so hard um in the same way that you know like um
well two two presidents who have been assassinated uh abraham lincoln and jfk just happen to also be

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the two presidents that tried to replace the currency and get away from the central bank's
control right the silver dollar the silverback and the greenback were both you know attempts by those
presidents and they died as a result because there was a a very strong foundational power structure
here but um yeah it's interesting it's really interesting and so to answer your question

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i was about 2016 and bitcoin was still around and there was still the hype oh it's being used by
criminals oh it's being used by the dark web but all of a sudden there was more investment coming
in all of a sudden it just wasn't dying and so it was right around there i started doing more
research and then later on i got into ethereum and now i actually mine ethereum at my house

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that's pretty cool yeah that's awesome yeah i got in i had a friend who's i think i've mentioned
it before he's like crazy about bitcoin doesn't believe in anything he's very much like staunch
in his bitcoin beliefs like things everything else is [ __ ] and he'll only ever get bitcoin

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um so he uh he texted me and my other friend last summer of 2020. he was like do you guys
have bitcoin and i was like no like i just made some other investments and like some other
stocks some companies had been looking at and that was my reason why and he's like you're both idiots
i was like like and then i gave my excuses like just invest and he's like yeah fine fine but like

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and so after that i was like all right maybe there is something to this and i was lucky like i've
always been relatively open about things he he's one of those kids that's sort of like bitcoin is
his personality so he brings it up with everyone all the time uh he's gotten better because we we
would just give him so much hit for it but um most of my friends i think i was the only one because

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i went in heavy like i went down the rabbit hole and saw and this was i think it was still still
pretty low it was like around 10 or 11 back then and i went down the rabbit hole and i was like
oh wow and then i saw like the stock to flow charts and i was like oh this isn't just a random
spike this is very very structured and that was that was the key for me and i was just like you

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know maybe everything goes away and this crashes to zero but if this actually follows this path i'm
willing to lose this amount of money that i that i put in because i think there's a pretty darn
good chance that it does follow this eventually and and so that was my thinking but it didn't

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it didn't really matter whether i got in before then because i didn't have that much money anyway
like i was still in college back in you know even through 2018 is when i graduated so i didn't have
hardly any money to my name to do anything with so it kind of came at a good time i guess but yeah
that's very i know it's uh bitcoin is bitcoin's going to be around for a while because it was

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it's the biggest name in cryptocurrency but i mean if we're going to be honest about it the
the reason that people are behind bitcoin is because it's deflationary
because of exactly the stock to flow ratio that you're talking about and and because there is so
much investment in bitcoin but on the other hand bitcoin is incredibly slow and it takes a lot of
power and and the fact is is that the the mining the deflationary mining process that bitcoin uses

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is going to start losing some of its luster as we start getting towards 2050 and 2016 right
as we start getting closer and closer to that end date where there is no bitcoin left in mind
and that's going to change everybody's opinion and it's going to change how everybody uses bitcoin as
as the mining becomes more and more scarce as much as it's going to drive up the value it's
also going to drive up how we interact with that and so that's very exciting to me but

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on the other hand it's also why i looked at the ethereum network why i looked at not just the
proof of work uh proof of work uh algorithms but the proof of stake options as well because proof
of work is great but again it uses a lot of energy it uses a lot of a lot of input there are a lot of
processing power and i know because at one point i was doing some research into starting a mining

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facility with a couple of friends and uh yeah it's it's noisy it takes a lot of power there's there's
a lot of consequences around it and not not every um uh municipality or every region even wants a
bitcoin mining facility in in their area so um bitcoin's gonna have its own stumbles whereas
the proof-of-stake concept is actually really cool whereas you're staked in there that that's what's

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keeping it going right it's it's just keeping everybody working on on the same blockchain
as it were i really enjoy that concept and uh for that reason i i'm in ethereum and of course you've
got uh cardano and uh i i don't i don't invest in ripple very often though i do pop in and out of
it as it fluctuates up and down um so there's just there's just a lot of coins to keep an eye on but

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um i i enjoy watching the community-based coins because at the end of the day i think that that's
what i support the most about cryptocurrency is that it can be so easily used and promoted by
the people that are part of that community i think that uh well well this is like the
crypto cities that the inventor of ethereum's been talking about recently have you heard about those

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i haven't no so basically they're there and um i i encourage you to go look it up there's
crypto cities and basically it's just an idea of developing communities that are
using cryptocurrencies in order to facilitate trade within that community so the community
has its own cryptocurrency and then as that that cryptocurrency is traded some of the

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the dividends or some of that cryptocurrency goes towards the maintenance of that that
community right so it's a way of basically distributing wealth within the community and
making sure all the these social needs are met without actually representing it as taxes or
giving it to a representative government so it's a really interesting idea and i think it goes in the

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direction that we want to go but unfortunately it's still using capitalism and still using
the idea of monetary exchange and so there's still going to be that capacity for corruption
so are those are those crypto communities are they
virtual or are they like real they're real this is what they're trying to do there's

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one in the states i was looking at yesterday i can't remember the name of it but uh basically
you know you go you you invest in it and then you're given a certain degree of cryptocurrency
and there's a store and there's everything else and it's all built into the community so everybody
is working with this cryptocurrency as opposed to the fiat currency that we typically use day to day
now i don't know how well that's going to to be applied because obviously

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you're still living within a country that uses fiat currency and as i mentioned earlier about
the fed and the irs they're not going to really like the idea of entire communities not using
fiat currency right because that that that's going to hurt the economy but i like the idea
yeah yeah very interesting uh there's something else i that came to mind uh oh with uh

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with robin hood when they what were what were your thoughts when they
uh what was it was a doge when they didn't allow people to sell like that just seemed
to me like such a such a [ __ ] up thing that they did but also not surprising
if they have that control but oh man well it's interesting because like i was saying

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earlier about uh shaking the tree right these larger exchanges really have that power to to
to hype something up and then to let it drop i mean that's what they did with sheba they kind of
entertained the idea of like we're going to list sheba and then they're like oh no we're not really
going to list sheba um another exchange did that the sheba community basically dropped the reviews

(35:43):
down to like one star they just came out in force um so there is there's kind of a
backlash that's forming through the involvement of these communities but yeah what robin hood's done
and and and it's not just robin hood obviously is within their own best interest and i i think that
it's because they're positioning themselves in a way that when they do list certain coins they are

(36:04):
invested in those coins that they're already ready to benefit from it and if they're holding off on
it it's probably to let the tree shake a bit so that way it can consolidate the price can drop
and then they can invest and then they'll go hey we're listing it now and it'll go through the roof
yeah yeah oh man there's so much of that out there and i think i've mentioned this before but when

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you know big uh like fed not fed people but like big corporate ceos will you know
talk [ __ ] about bitcoin and how it's you know gonna go to zero and it's worthless and then you
know you see some big people investing in it all of a sudden like right after that dip because of

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you know their influence and it's just like ah that's so gross but right it is what it is
yeah in this in the society that we have right now right like that that's it is that
we live in a society that that very much makes this kind of selfishness and greed possible
and doable right like that that's that's the whole thing is that it's very easy in this society to

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just think about yourself put yourself first and and just hoard um and of course because our
society doesn't necessarily encourage a mentality that that is fulfilled and happy on its own
we really have that need to continue to to compare and compete and hoard and so i think that as we
move away from that and again cryptocurrency is a part of that but so is this conversation and so

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a great many other improvements in the world in terms of technology and whatnot
i think that we're eventually going to get away from that but and and i know this is probably
one of my least popular opinions uh we're never going to fix this until we evolve past money
we're just not and it's because there's no point there's no need for it except

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to make sure that i get my check right like that it's just to make sure that i get what what i
want in exchange and to to monitor that but the fact is is that if we recognized truly recognized
that we are one that this planet is us and that we're all in this together there would
be no need for money and there would be a common awareness that we put in for everybody's benefit

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right and then we all benefit as a result and that would change our work days that would change
everything it would change how we we produce things it would change how we distribute things
it would change how we use things but we have to get to that point otherwise it doesn't matter if
we're using cryptocurrency it doesn't matter if we go back to a barter system we're still
catering to our division we're still catering to the mechanism in our mind

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which will always want more because it compares and it competes so we just we need to we need
to let money go at the same time as we let go of our over commitment to this division
yeah that was one of the biggest insights i had with when i first tried

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mushrooms was like the realization that i don't need like i have i i had already you
know realized that in a lot of ways for a while like i am very grateful and remember just like
constantly how much i have even you know having a functional body is like something i keep in mind

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all the time and i think that when you're able to although it seems basic to be able to see
and hear it's like how much would that change your life if you weren't able to do that and and
so then on top of that it's like there's so many cool things you do just being human

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like so many cool things like being able to i think when i was making the video about
my first experience i was like i'm staring at a computer talking with my mouth making words into
a microphone that i'm gonna download and then put on the internet for probably hundreds or thousands
of people to see like that in itself like what we're doing right now having a conversation

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from like i don't know 3 000 miles away in different countries is really cool in itself and
so realizing that it's and because i think both of us don't feel you know a lot of that lack that is
pushed through our society through you know and that's kind of what advertising is built off of

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the the sense of lack and need for more and that you aren't enough until you have this or until you
get this or until you buy this or or whatever and the whole keeping up with the jones's mentality
um but until people start to realize i guess and you know who knows when it'll happen

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as a collective that there are you know you are enough right now here and now you are whole and
complete exactly as you are right now there's nothing you can ever possibly do to gain or lose
anything from the awareness which you are until then yeah it's it's going to keep on chugging

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and it's funny because as much as we focus on modifying our society to to you know kind of
bring in this golden era like developing green technologies and talking about you
know new systems of government and changing um electoral reform things like that right um that's
all external right that's all external and if we don't change how we perceive ourselves and how we

(41:47):
perceive each other then it doesn't matter what kind of system we we create we will corrupt it
we will always bring it back down to the same to the same you know selfish motivators that that
it's in right now and so we have to do both at the same time it's great to invent to invent green
technologies and it's great to talk about you know a resource-based uh economy or resource-based

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government but if we're still taking our need to compete with us then that's all going to fall
apart i mean krishnamurti was actually talking about the fact that until we can figure out how to
work together it's not going to work and he's and we see people working together all the time say

(42:31):
on a building for example to create a building or to build a business or or anything like that but
each of those people as long as they're focused on their idea of themselves
is focused on their own individual goal they're doing it for their own reasons and so they're
not actually working together they're not sharing a common intention and and our economy our system
makes it so much easier to do that because everybody's just paid to be there instead

(42:55):
of wanting to be there right so it changes how how we interact as a species and and so
yeah i think it's going to be our environment's going to change as our internal changes and
then hopefully somewhere in the middle we'll realize that our environment is our internal
yeah yeah it's almost like like no matter what system we choose maybe there are some systems that

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may exist in this reality in a better way for the collective but it's still if we still have these
beliefs about ourself and it's still rooted in our perception of division and duality then it doesn't
really matter which system is there because it's like you said it's not within it's all without

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but we'll compare systems of government we'll go oh democracy is better than
socialism which is better than communism it's like but any one of those systems that was
you know adopted by a mentality of unit of unity adopted by a mentality of awareness it would work
right maybe they would make that system work they would adapt it to do so right but we're like no

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it's the structure of the system it's like but we're egotistical people using that system right
it's kind of like blaming a car when somebody drives the car who doesn't know how to drive
right it's not the car's fault you don't know what you're doing you're the one causing damage right
so we have to take that on we have to realize that no no idea no matter how good the idea

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is we'll ever fix the problem if we don't have the awareness to actually implement it properly
i have a question so not that i don't always have questions but when it comes to
i feel like there's certain societies that are more homogeneous than the united states

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or canada or wherever i just always related to the us uh like i think you know norway and
uh northern european that it seems like their systems just work a little bit better
than ours in a lot of in a lot of different ways do you think it's could be because they almost

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because they don't look as different or feel as different that they feel maybe not like completely
unified but more of a unity whereas a place like the us is so divided in you know
every different way that we could possibly imagine like where it is reinforced into us that we are

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divided and separate and different and you need to treat this person this way because they look like
this or you know feel like this or they're you know this gender and you got to be careful
and all these things whereas a society that maybe doesn't have as much surface level
divisional type feelings it's a little bit easier because of that sort of level of feeling of unity

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i'm curious what you're i think there's a portion of that for sure i think that a large portion of
it is also the history of those countries they're far older than the united states i mean when we
look at the history of mankind or the history of just of the different countries that have existed
in the last 10 000 years the united states and canada are infants at the end of the day right

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and and they were created out of violence at the end of the day so that that contributed to a lot
of the division especially in in the united states in terms of slavery and of course what
would happen to the with the indigenous and um even just the war against britain to get
its independence right like there's there's a long history of division within the united states um

(46:58):
whereas within northern europe i mean outside of being conquered by rome and then being you know
being kind of in the middle of world war one and two that area of the world has been around and
fairly stable for a long period of time they have a culture they have a certain way of doing things
and and that that way of doing things has evolved like um iceland for example is super progressive

(47:22):
and and they are almost so removed from the system that they've just decided we're
going to make the system what we want it to be right like back in 2008 when that the economic
collapse happened and the bankers were you know basically just messing with the system and
enriching themselves iceland was one of the first ones to go yeah no we're not we're not paying any

(47:44):
of this money to crooked bankers and we're not we're not doing any of that in fact we're going
to replace our entire parliament and they got rid of their prime minister and elected their
first lesbian woman prime minister that day i think it was or something ridiculous and it was
just like no we're not planning that and so europe actually declared iceland to be a terrorist state
for a very short period of time because iceland would not participate in the monetary fraud that

(48:08):
was being perpetuated by the global governments right that same fraud that was you know um uh
basically hammering greece and hammering all these european countries you know with
the the uh oh god what's the word i'm looking for basically reigning back spending right just
cutting back social services cutting back all of these pensions everything else and iceland's just
like no we're not doing that because all this money you say we owe to you people was based on

(48:32):
a con and we're not we're just not doing it and so i was super impressed with that in itself but it's
also their their perspective of what's important and it's in quite a few european countries i don't
know about um other countries in the world because i'm not familiar with everything but
when it comes down to some european countries you get two hour breaks for lunch

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um you get paid paid vacation time for like three months at a year or something like that like there
are different priorities in terms of why we're here and what we're doing right the companies
out there typically take care of their of their their staff differently the governments although
there is a higher a higher tax rate those taxes go into say paid maternity leave right and things

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like that so it's a different priority and i think that that's largely because of the longer history
as well whereas you know in north america we had that manifest destiny um thing which is basically
like i can get anything i want that's what's important to me and so everything in our economy
and everything in our and our society is based around that importance that priority where i think

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when you've been around for you know a couple thousand years and you've you've suffered through
revolutions and you've suffered through wars with your neighbors and and and family and friends and
everything else that you start to reprioritize things to some degree but our culture in north
america hasn't really been hammered by any other country if you think about it i mean we've pissed
some countries off right and we've kind of had some political upheaval from a distance

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but it's not like anybody's ever attacked north america after we did i mean i mean since we took
over north america it's not like we've ever been attacked here we had a bit of a skirmish between
canada and the us for a bit but that that was really the only thing right and then 9 11.
yeah yeah damn yeah those priorities sound pretty pretty awesome i mean there are days

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that i i take an hour and a half for lunch just because no one says anything when i do
but um yeah that idea of iceland be being declared a terrorist uh entity
for that just if that doesn't drive home the idea that there is no good or bad and and it's
all perception to someone like i don't know what does because they weren't willing to be involved

(50:47):
in this schemey like money-hungry ordeal they were deemed a terrorist organization which is like in
most people's mind the epitome of evil and bad and it was just because of that they redeemed that
and like that's absolutely outrageous i i didn't know that was that happened that

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yeah absolutely well i mean it's there are so many things to consider when we when we talk about who
gets deemed a terrorist state or who gets deemed evil in the world right like and why because
it so this is a conversation i don't typically get into because it's so tempting to want to blame
people in power for the evil in the world whereas people in power are just enacting

(51:35):
you know the the uh the parts of their awareness that the system makes possible
yeah that's very your idea that uh that idea of blaming and and not
blaming those in power for for the actions that they take or whatever with the system i
actually had a friend i've mentioned it before who who just like questions a lot of things

(51:59):
and we have pretty good discussions he was my old roommate but he uh i was going on a rant about how
politicians are all just like short-term thinkers they don't think about the long-term and
blah blah blah just getting into that just like kind of ranting talking about it for a while and
he was like well can you blame them you know they have four year terms or two year terms like

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the system is built for them to think in the short term and their goal is that's their job so their
goal is re-election so of course they're focused on re-election and short-term thinking because
long-term thinking isn't going to have enough of an impact to get them re-elected and so they it's
almost like that's part of the system and i was like ah [ __ ] i wasn't thinking about that side

(52:45):
of it but that makes a lot of sense and i think it ties into the idea of like can you really blame
them for thinking short term like is it really their fault or are they just a product of their
environment yeah yeah exactly exactly which is i mean like this the same can be true for um say the
the police force and and the increasing violence and brutality that that is involved in the police

(53:08):
force and it's like you you have an organization that has a very short period of training right and
offers authority and a gun to people who might very much need authority in a gun
and that that's a danger right like there should be some degree of a psychological test involved

(53:29):
like i've often said people in power should be the people who don't want to be in power
right they're the ones who shouldn't want to use that and so it's funny that we have
a system of government where we literally elect the people who want it the most
and who are willing to pander the most to every crowd who are willing to change
what they say and what they think to get the most the most votes behind them and so they

(53:52):
want it so bad and that's why we have no integrity within our system at all and so again going back
to cryptocurrency i would love to see us adapt a local governmental model where everybody has the
ability to vote in real time on every issue within that local government right and why couldn't we

(54:13):
do that why do we need to have elections every four years where we vote for somebody based on
their promises and our assumptions and then we don't get a say for another four years
that's an act of blind faith and stupidity
yeah it's it is it is just it's almost comedic the way that especially i mean especially recently in

(54:37):
the us with our elections and the debates like it's it's like absolutely ridiculous to watch
it like these are our best options it's like oh i don't even want to go to the polls like oh my god
and and i've actually had discussions with some of my friends who think similarly to me and are kind

(55:01):
of just like definitely not extreme on either side at all just kind of see that both sides have some
things they are probably right about some stuff they're probably wrong about and it's more so just
the the system and idea and we're talking about uh like the people who want to get elected and how
it seems like we're picking from like maybe the bottom 60 like but out of all the people in the

(55:28):
country who would be a great president the top like 30 to 40 percent want nothing to do with
it so we're starting from the 60th percentile and then probably from there it's like 50 to 60
people are too in the middle they're not extreme to get through the primaries so then really for
the presidential election we're starting with like the bottom 50 and it's just absolutely insane

(55:53):
because you know the people like all the people i know who would probably make for using president
even just like close to me in my life that would never come close they're not in politics or
anything like they're all like that is the last job i would ever want to have in my life and i
think the same like that is i would never want to take part in that or really politics

(56:17):
at all it's just such a schemey messy business yeah because there's there's very little honesty
in it it's all it's all pandering right and it's it's largely because i mean that the culture that
we have is is looking to be pandered too and so as we had that that need to be pandered too

(56:39):
politicians clued in pandered to us and the loop just kept getting worse and worse and worse until
now it's just saying what we want to hear that's it it's not even it's not even a platform anymore
it's not even about actual you know policy decisions so much as just policy promises
we don't really get into the details and the details are scattered at best it's like well
what is your plan for that it's like oh well we got this great you know 20 page plan that we're

(57:02):
going to go through but we know the minute we bring this to the house floor that is going to
get ripped apart and none of this is actually going to see the light of day ever but we're
not going to say that to you right now because i want you to vote for me and this sounds really
really good it just goes back to the same stuff we've been talking about about the manifestation
industry right it's like if i tell you the whole truth then you actually have to think about things

(57:24):
right and that means you may not like what i'm telling you and you may not do what i want you
to do and it's like if we're going to run our society whether it be local or otherwise
we have to do it from a state of mind where we're willing to look at the things we don't like we're
willing to actually measure and weigh the information without you know identifying with

(57:46):
us somewhere in that process so that way we can actually make a decision that's based on clarity
yeah yeah uh i know it's uh i don't know i i i don't know if uh really what i don't know even
where i would start i don't know do you have any ideas where you would start if you were

(58:09):
given given the reigns for things yes yes i do um and and it's just and this isn't to say
that i know the answer but i i know one of the biggest dancers and this has been observed by
even presidents in the united states who who were noted to be visionaries like abraham
lincoln for example in jfk who both surrounded themselves with people who disagreed with them

(58:34):
right and they did so so they could get a more rounded picture of what everybody wanted of
what was all the possibilities and so i think that that would be the biggest thing would be
recognizing that just because you're in charge doesn't mean you know everything right and that
you should in fact you know get as many opinions as you can but yeah i would do certain things

(58:57):
that would change things the first thing i would do is get rid of a federal government in the way
that it's run right now i would would very much strip things down to a local government level
and then have those local governments integrated with other local governments in in the
cryptocurrency blockchain type of fashion where everybody is monitoring their resources and
productivity but that the blockchain is used then to make sure that those resources and what's being

(59:21):
produced are distributed evenly and simply among all of those communities right so to make sure
that everybody has enough and that there if there is any excess that it's evenly distributed and i i
think that would be one part of it but um another part of it and this is going to be the biggest
problem is that as long as we are participating in this system and i know after after the last

(59:44):
podcast where we were talking a bit about contract law in the ucc and and how we are all are kind of
agreeing to this through our identity through our person um a lot of people ask like how do we get
out of this and there are a lot of people that are trying there are a lot of people who are trying
to use the ucc and they're trying to use the law in order to you know um expatriate they're they're

(01:00:05):
trying to basically cancel out the contract that they've agreed to based on the fact that not all
the details were provided when we quote unquote agreed to this contract but basically what they're
trying to do is leave the corporation of their country so they can be free problem is that you
are still then using land and property and items and and everything else including fiat currency

(01:00:29):
of that corporation so you are still intrinsically agreeing to use that corporation whether whether
you want to or not so a big portion of this is is going to be that there has to be enough of us
wanting to walk away and then once there's enough of us and i genuinely want to see this happen
i would love to see a global strike a global strike from enough people would shut this system

(01:00:54):
down all of a sudden they'd have to negotiate they would have to negotiate and the only thing we'd
have to stick with is no you're not in charge anymore we're going to figure out our own way
right and so that global strike would have to be ongoing for quite some time which means that
you would have to have some degree of organization for example you would have to have property owners

(01:01:16):
that are willing to provide sanctuary for people who are part of this you would also have to be
have people who are providing for who are growing food or who have access to food and resources
willing to share those food and resources and so you could have everybody who agrees to do this on
one day to sell all of their fiat currency all of their stuff and just stockpile reserves of food

(01:01:38):
and whatnot and supply chains with these property owners with indigenous tribes with everything else
and then just yeah a month of we're just going to sit here until you give up i think it would
work i think it'd be great and all we'd have to do is just refuse to identify because even
if they came onto the property and arrested you if you don't identify yourself they have to let

(01:01:59):
you go eventually right that's the whole point and how many people can they arrest
think about it how many people can they arrest before those jails start filling up
how many people can they incarcerate overnight before they can't fit people in anymore so
eventually the system would just collapse through us refusing it would be a no thank you revolution

(01:02:21):
just no thank you we're done now no violence no bloodshed nothing like that it wouldn't even be
a revolution it would just be a collective agreement by enough of our awareness
that this has got to change i would love to see that yeah that would be that would
be pretty cool so he said non-violent but i feel like i feel like like maybe

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the collective awareness that was saying no thank you wouldn't get violent but
maybe on the other side they would and they would and and that's it and then that's the one reason
that it has to be a no thank you revolution there almost has to be an understanding that
there's going to be suffering through this transition that that we are going to be

(01:03:06):
arrested we are going to be beaten we are going to be oppressed we are they are going
to try and crack down on us and we have to be willing to accept the nature of our awareness
which is that you can take everything from me except the inch i'm not willing to give you
and that's it is that we have to be willing to take the hit we have to be willing to suffer
and indeed even die for it if it's really worth it to us and if it's not worth it to us then we have

(01:03:31):
nothing to complain about as we as this raging dumpster fire really starts to ignite
yeah yeah um yeah i mean i don't know do you think do you think there's enough people
who are close to uh i think that's what we're talking about i think that's what we are a

(01:03:56):
part of i think that's what the people who are listening to this podcast are a part of and the
people who are having similar conversations are a part of and i've been watching it grow over
my lifetime alone and i know it's been growing a lot longer than that like there's clear evidence
that we've been oscillating in and out closer and closer to this truth as we continue as a species
so yeah we're getting there i don't know if there's enough people right now i mean

(01:04:20):
in all honesty i haven't mentioned any of this on our podcast up until now because
it's a conversation that you have to have with people who see things in a certain way because
anybody else is going to just resist and say you know like well the system system's protecting you
like when i posted a video from our last podcast the other day about the ucc and contract law

(01:04:41):
somebody wrote back well at least we're not german or japanese referencing world war ii
right like it's like see the system is protecting us and there's that cognitive dissonance again
right it's the same people who will say that that there's no racism in the police right and and it's
because i don't want to see that that ruins the illusion that keeps me feeling safe right and so

(01:05:06):
that's that's that that whole thing of pearls before swine that that's a whole thing of choosing
who you talk to about this to a certain degree because some people are not going to take it
well and they're going to feel threatened by it not because you're threatening them but because
they're holding on to something that makes them feel threatened yeah yeah that idea of the police

(01:05:28):
something i think about a lot now too especially when it comes to like drug use and and whatnot
that it it's crazy like there's got to be police officers who have done illegal drugs and yet
they're the authority that or the dea or whatever that you know confiscates them and does drug busts

(01:05:50):
and all of this it's like if they're they've done it before it's just crazy that they're
humans no differently than anyone else and yet they're given a badge and now they're able to
enforce these law and i guess they're just enforcing the laws that are created but it's still

(01:06:11):
so strange right i mean that's the thing is that they're enforcing so it's against the law
to kidnap somebody right but if you go out and try cop comes over and kidnaps you
because they're allowed right so to enforce the laws we we we empower people to break

(01:06:33):
those laws and and so it's like i can't imagine why this keeps going so badly
i used i used to think about that more with like speeding you know like what if a cop speeding
you know and they're not on duty or something or they know where the other cops are so like they
could speed whenever they want that's how i used to think when i was younger i'd think about that

(01:06:56):
and wonder about that all the time i was like damn i guess it's kind of kind of cool but also
kind of [ __ ] up and it goes back to that whole you don't question a rule that your authority is
derived from i mean that's the thing when you're in power you don't question what what gave you
that power you just use the power right and if you do question what gave you the power then

(01:07:21):
you quickly start to strip it away and look at why you need to feel powerful and and that's it that's
why you'll see um well there's been more than a few uh people who have gotten into politics
and then quickly realized that you can't change the system from within
and quit there are people who joined the military people who joined the police force and otherwise
who you know have have went to jail over you know refusing to fight in the military or or have just

(01:07:47):
straight up quit their job in the police force for refusing to do what they were ordered to do and
and it's because there is something intrinsically wrong and when we know that we don't want to be
in there but that then that means that as long as those institutions are around
and the people who are aware enough to leave those systems aren't part of them that we

(01:08:07):
continue to get a more and more corrupted system of people who aren't aware and then we wonder why
those systems continue to perform in more and more uh inhumane ways and it's because we're
packing them full of people who are in a mentality that's just not aware enough to really question it

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yeah yeah there was a kid who became i was i had a couple of my friends from high school uh visit
me if a month or so ago and we were talking about kids from our high school class and you know what
they're up to now and one kid uh who's kind of like a total like became we were like what

(01:08:52):
happened to him and you're like oh well he's a police officer now and we were we're all like
oh no my god damn it but yes it's so interesting how the people or even i think i see this with
a lot of baseball coaches like i played baseball from when i was five years old 23 years old

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and i saw that a lot of coaches especially at the college level and you know even for mid major
division one who just like shouldn't have been baseball coaches and there's so many people out
there who would be great coaches but the people who shouldn't be there who have like are like

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egomaniacs and just kind of [ __ ] who are not good because especially where i was because it
was like a pretty good school so a lot of kids were very focused a lot of them didn't knew they
weren't going to continue and play professional baseball they didn't really have dreams of that
whereas other schools do there's a certain type of kid that just is attracted to one school or

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the other and so but my coaches like expected everyone to just be like more baseball focus and
school focus and so it's like not only are you not a great coach but like for this sort of situation
with kids who like do well in school and there's a reason they got into this school like baseball is

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a part of it but a big part they know they're not gonna play baseball forever they're very
aware of that and they just wouldn't connect those thoughts and there's so many situations
just the people who would be great at a certain role want nothing to do with it and those
who should have nothing to do with it are the ones who are doing it exactly exactly like um

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i have a tendency when i when i'm in a group of people working on something of just being
the kind of the linchpin i'm just like okay how can i help here and how can we help let's let's
let's collaborate on that let's figure this out and i just happen to take on that role all the
time and it's because nobody else is because if somebody else does i'm happy to just sit back and

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let that [ __ ] happen right now it's just like you go ahead i'm good let me know how i can help
and that's it but if nobody's doing it then immediately i feel compelled to jump in and
try and help out to whatever capacity i can and so i've been told that i have good leadership skills
but i don't want to lead right in the same way i don't want followers

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i i i just want to do my own thing and and because of that when i am in a leadership capacity or
in a leadership role there's no need for it there's no you know i'm i'm higher than you
i'm telling you what you got to listen to me right and it's just because we're just working together
i'm just playing this role because that's what's necessary right now right and then that's it but

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yeah we end up with a lot of rules that people shouldn't be in but again our culture doesn't
care about that our culture promises money and stability i mean how many people have do you
know that went to school specifically for the money and the stability without ever thinking
to themselves you know what does my soul want to do you know what do i actually enjoy
yeah more than 50 for sure without a doubt if not you know 80

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percent especially at my school but yeah it is kind of a funny paradox and and
also with your you know whatever role you take on in whatever situation it's like you don't take it
seriously and you don't identify as that and that's the thing too is people who are you
know leaders they identify as being a leader and they take it so seriously and figure out you know

(01:12:39):
they try and say exactly what a leader should say instead of just saying what they will say and it's
it's so many things are just half-assed backwards yeah exactly exactly and and it's so funny because
we we get conned into these things we get so caught up in thinking about
thinking in ways that makes all of this corruption and all of this this systemic problem possible but

(01:13:04):
it's conversations like this that that start to dispel that as conversations like this that really
put us in a mindset where we are willing to look where we are where we actually see not just the
benefit of looking and questioning but kind of the fun and the enthusiasm that goes with looking and
questioning as well i've had so many conversations or so many uh comments from people while we've

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been running this podcast over the last seven episodes about how they're so grateful this
conversation is happening how it's a conversation that they they want to have with other people
but can't find or it's conversations they've had themselves right or it's a conversation that they
they talk to others and people don't listen and so all of a sudden they're able to listen to this

(01:13:48):
podcast and they're able to have this discussion with us and that's awesome that's a part of the
whole change that's that's exactly it and i just wanted to say quickly if you have listened to the
the seven episodes before this podcast i'm so glad you're here i'm so proud of you for making
it through all of this content with us because this is big stuff we're questioning everything

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we're shaking the very foundation of our existence and that's that's a big deal but we're doing it
because it's fun to do and if we can chat with you about anything that's what we want to do
anything and everything we want just just cover it for the sake of of putting it out in the open
looking at it openly without the need for different answer the need to identify with it

(01:14:31):
so i just want to say this one more time if you can if you're interested in chatting with
us one on one in a group setting we have a zoom room that we have with our patreon supporters
we had one yesterday so much fun we had one of our supporters come in and get on the screen with us
we were able to talk back and forth with their answers some questions and hear about how her
journey is going and so the the zoom room that we have for our supporters can hold up to 100 people

(01:14:58):
right now you can get on screen if you'd like to and of course other supporters will be able
to listen to your insights and the things that you've learned and so i can't recommend that
enough if you're interested in joining that conversation definitely join us on patreon
yeah yeah i'm excited for that to start to grow and have those monthly live zoom streams you know

(01:15:22):
when it gets to 100 people that'll be just so much fun and um yeah super excited for that but yeah i
think with the podcast too it's just it's cool because it's something that we enjoy just doing
and having this conversation like we don't have any expectations going into it with sort with any

(01:15:42):
of the discussions that we're having whether it's a workshop or a podcast or a live stream
we don't really have like a ton of preparation that goes into it like a tiny bit for the workshop
at least you know we have a topic that we're gonna cover but uh for these there certainly isn't
any and it's just a discussion for the sake of having a discussion like there is no which is

(01:16:06):
sometimes like it feels weird in our society to do something without an expectation or you know
without trying to you know better yourself or improve yourself or or get to this point or the
peak of the mountain it's just having it for the sake of having it and that's what sort of life

(01:16:28):
is life is happening for the sake of happening it is is having the experience itself is
the the reason the reason is here and now always and and so i think it's cool that we're able to
sort of express that in this uh avenue and way through just having conversations

(01:16:50):
via via zoom yeah well it's funny if a friend of mine was asking like well don't you don't you plan
what you're going to talk to before the pod you know talk about during the podcast i'm like no
and it's the reason is because while we're talking about a certain mentality while we're talking
about a certain state of being it wouldn't make sense to not embody that state of being

(01:17:13):
right so so we just go into these podcasts and we're just like i wonder what awareness
is going to do today and we just allow ourselves to do it reminding our listeners and ourselves at
the same time that that's what we're always doing allowing ourselves to do things right
and so yeah i find it funny that the process of making the podcast or being ourselves in making

(01:17:36):
the podcast is the subject matter we're talking about on the podcast yeah yeah it's like the the
show don't tell mentality and yet we're sort of doing both like we're talking about it as we're
showing it as well and i just yeah i find it so so enjoyable and exciting yeah well that's
it right it's i i do this regardless right what i'm enjoying about this is that we're

(01:18:03):
able to put this in a format and in front of people who are looking for it right as opposed
to me just walking around my life occasionally stumbling stumbling acro across somebody who has
an interest and just mentions it we're actually just throwing seeds out there and people can find
them when they need them i think that's great it makes me really happy um before we wrap up

(01:18:23):
because we're coming up to an hour and a half already um you had a question about food i think
yeah i was thinking i was thinking maybe we can save that for uh for next podcast but that is
something because we've never really talked about it it was something it hit me today uh i was
walking home from the gym and i was like i wonder how what rey's diet is like and because that's

(01:18:48):
i don't know i just see it like i follow a lot of uh health and fitness related people who have uh
different mindsets than me but also some of them have similar mindsets and i it just
is interesting how much [ __ ] is out there and how much bs the people have and how much how many
people are out there like trying to use their way of eating as a way to make money and like kind of

(01:19:17):
instilling this fear in people that if they don't you know eat a certain way that
they're going to die young and all this crazy [ __ ] like red meat makes you aggressive
yeah like anything it's like it's not that it's like simpler than people think and it's it goes
it's the same with you know what we discuss on here like it's simpler than

(01:19:40):
people think when it comes to you know fitness and working out it's simpler than people think
but people like to overcomplicate it because it's a lot easier to make money when you
re-explain when you complicate a process then explain it and and try and get people
to think that they need you because it's so complicated but you know how to do it so then

(01:20:02):
they have to follow you when in reality it's not that it's like we put all this stuff on
top of it where if you just peel it back and and you can utilize some of the things like there is
certain things based in truth even with like a ketogenic diet like not eating carbs
yes that can be helpful if you're trying to lose weight because it cuts out an entire macronutrient

(01:20:25):
so yeah it'll allow you to eat fewer calories more easily and there's just less options in general
but that's not the thing that's causing it's still the calories at the end of the day but people
layer it on because like oh and i also have this keto cookbook or keto you know ebook or you know
whatever keto product and you know all that stuff and there's just so many things that people are

(01:20:52):
over complicating in order to get people to believe that they are the one with the answer
and you know i guess you can say that about things like religion do absolutely well i mean it's
and sometimes it's deliberate to to make money you have your snake oil salesman right and then
you have your unwitting snake oil salesman the people who just convince themselves of

(01:21:13):
something because it makes them feel really good and so they're like yeah you want to believe this
too because safety in numbers and the more people who agree with me the more right i am
and so there's that kind of unwitting you know um being uh deceitful without meaning to
i i guess and so for me i i guess it just well somebody had asked on tick tock they made a video

(01:21:36):
saying you know um what kind of food does an aware or enlightened person eat
to which my response was any food that keeps it alive long enough to get to the next insight
that's awesome i love that and it's and it's like and i say that because of my own history um

(01:21:59):
in being in poverty and and going through malnutrition and starvation but just eat just get
get that food in you and admittedly like sometimes that food's not the best for you it's not healthy
for you but it's keeping you going and it's getting you through to that next insight which
is going to change your behavior which is going to change what you eat why and that's going to
lead you to another insight and so it just becomes you know continue to refine your own sensitivity

(01:22:25):
to what feels right for you right and so you can sample different diets you can sample different
things but it's committing to them as the truth and that's why people who do that it doesn't take
long they'll go from one diet to another diet to another diet to another diet right and i know for
me um i've lost about i think probably 35 40 pounds in like the last year and it's because

(01:22:49):
i was living in an area of canada where i was higher up in elevation and it was very very
dry and i had asthma problems when i was younger and so i was having problems breathing and it was
getting really bad and as i was having problems breathing i was getting less and less active and
of course i work at home so it just got out of hand and so there's this video from my daughter's

(01:23:10):
last year birthday and all of a sudden it pans over and you can just see my like belly just
sticking out through your fridge and so all of a sudden i i just became aware that oh wow i really
kind of you know all of this is has accumulated and i tried to do something about it but of course
i couldn't breathe and then you know i ended up moving out to vancouver island where the air is

(01:23:32):
different it's way more humid it's way more moist immediately i could breathe
and so all of a sudden i was walking around more all of a sudden i was doing things more
and i started dropping the weight and as i dropped the weight i started getting
more active as i started getting more active i started getting hungrier which made me look at
what i was eating and i ate some things that didn't feel good and so and that's
it right it's just continuing on but it really just comes down to paying attention to it like

(01:24:00):
i i often make the joke that you know i decided i was going to jog one day and then i heard somebody
clapping behind behind me and i realized it was my ass cheek flapping onto my leg
it's at that point i realized i probably need to do something about this but
but then it's it's the honest-to-god priority it's when you feel hungry
it's recognizing that hunger doesn't necessarily mean you need to eat

(01:24:24):
right and and that's that's a big one it is that we feel this the discomfort we want to alleviate
it cognitive dissonance is very much like distance of the stomach when when you're hungry you want to
make that discomfort go away in the same ways when you're uncomfortable psychologically you want to
make that comfort go away but sitting through the discomfort is ultimately what causes the change
as with everything and so yeah when i was hungry i honestly i would ask myself well how much do i

(01:24:49):
really need to eat versus how much do i want right and so i would train myself to eat like half of
what i would normally eat and then after a while i got to the point where i'd be like you know i'm
just going to drink some water i don't really hate the snack right now and and whatnot and
and that was it it just changed as i went but i'll be honest with you i i almost regularly constantly

(01:25:09):
forget that i'm in a body at all so i i don't pay a great deal of attention when it comes to
diet and and routine in terms of exercise and whatnot i exercise and i eat but it's as necessary
as it pops up as it goes across my consciousness i don't i don't have a set discipline or a set
structure to it whatsoever though i will say that that my wife is very much responsible for

(01:25:35):
for the nutrition that i that i have in my life now because when it was me it was just like you
know oh i haven't eaten in two days i should probably go find some hot dogs or something
right and it's just just because i spent so long when i was younger being hungry that i learned
to tune it out right and so all of a sudden you just you learn to forget it until you're shaking

(01:25:59):
and you're like right i have a body that body needs sustenance i should probably do something
about that but yeah most of the time i i don't i don't actually think of myself as a body at all
i don't know if there's many people i could have a conversation with who
say things like that that is pretty incredible but yeah wow i mean it kind of makes sense

(01:26:25):
knowing you you know to the degree that i do that is not very surprising at the same time
but it's funny yeah it's that initial question someone asked you like what does
an enlightened person eat it's just the one of the funniest things too because it's like
you know whatever you want and yeah i don't know i i'm much more along the lines of of

(01:26:51):
finding something that works for you like the best diet for you is the one that you enjoy like
it shouldn't be a thing that you suffer through thinking that that's gonna i think people get
they over complicate it and get over involved in micro nutrients and dense nutrient density and

(01:27:16):
while that can be important and it is important to agree it's not like the it's almost putting the
cart before the horse like there's certain steps people have to take like if someone is extremely
overweight like eating superfoods might not be the best thing for them if they are very you

(01:27:36):
know calorie dense it might be finding things that can fill them up that they enjoy that aren't super
high calorie and then as they start to shift their make small shifts in their lifestyle
they can begin incorporating more of like the really like healthy like natural foods but if

(01:27:56):
you're prioritizing initially on eating you know like natural peanut butter and you're trying to
lose weight at the same time and you have a really big appetite like it's it's not it's just like not
gonna work and people have that's another thing it's like people have different appetites so
you know people see a slow and this is this is something else i'm pretty passionate about

(01:28:19):
so i don't know if that's coming off at all but like there's celebrities out there and a lot of
times females who post these certain like acai fruit bowls with almond butter and it's like
they might just not have a very big appetite and so they are able to eat certain types of food
and they just don't eat very much of it but if you're a person who has a very big appetite

(01:28:42):
eating something like that that maybe it's a bowl that's like ends up being 1500 calories
like that might not be what's best for you and there are certain things that work for
some people that don't work for other people and like you said it's finding what works
best for you and some i think people just a lot of times when it comes to you know

(01:29:05):
weight loss especially for those who have been trying to there's a lot of people out there who
try for a long time and they just aren't able to because there is so much [ __ ] you have to sift
through and if they were just you know told to find something that they enjoy and they're able to
figure out how many calories they burn in a day and they just are able to eat a little bit less

(01:29:28):
than that every day and make sustainable lifestyle changes and not go on a diet because if you go on
a diet it means by design you're going to go off of it at some point and when you go off of it
all of that those changes you made are just going to revert back to where you were and yeah i don't
know people just i think they put the cart before the horse and try and take massive steps

(01:29:54):
when if they took smaller steps and made slight changes they would actually build a sustainable
lifestyle around this that isn't so focused on losing 20 pounds in 20 days and it's more you know
20 pounds in a year and it's not as much pressure exactly exactly but then you have to look at why

(01:30:17):
you're doing it right like if i if i am committed to my idea of myself and i've judged myself
for my weight then i need to see that that change as fast as possible to alleviate the judgment to
alleviate how i'm making myself feel and so there becomes this need to see changes overnight and

(01:30:37):
it's because i'm trying to run from my own guilt i'm trying to run for my own self-judgment i'm
trying to run for my own perceptions right and and so it actually works against us and what's
interesting is that when you do take your identity out of the way when you do look at say your weight
and you don't think to yourself like oh god and you judge yourself for how you look you judge
yourself for for how you compare to other people but you actually just make the conscious decision

(01:31:00):
i don't enjoy struggling like this to get up this hill you know i don't i don't enjoy being
out of weight or out of breath you know doing this exercise that i enjoy and so when you make
that choice for for positive reasons it has a completely different psychological effect
and what i mean is that when we feel guilt or when we're beating ourselves up we stress out

(01:31:23):
and that changes how our body reacts chemically and in a state of stress is actually harder to
lose weight it's hard harder to metabolize your food it's harder to do the thing that
you want to do because you're beating yourself up for doing it or for not doing it and so it's
so important to keep in mind that it's not just the external it's it's that you are the change

(01:31:45):
it's exactly the point right you're the change the external is just the scenery that changes with you
and so as long as you keep that in mind everything will just kind of refine itself as you move
forward but it's it's when we're looking for it outside of ourselves when we're trying to find
that answer externally that it becomes a need and that need becomes an obsession and that obsession

(01:32:06):
becomes just this deeply ingrained sense of lack and and then hopelessness and despair and it just
keeps spiraling downwards and it all starts with over commitment to the idea of ourselves
yeah certainly i think that's an incredibly important perspective to have with all of that too
and it it it applies for anyone also like there's so many people and you know a lot of times it is

(01:32:34):
females more but it happens with males as well with eating disorders like
there are people who are like objectively not like based on their size and weight are not even close
to anywhere that's obese and yet they have this idea of themselves that and this false perception
of themselves that kind of perpetuates that cycle and they still have this need to like be different

(01:32:58):
when being different or losing weight would actually be detrimental to their health as opposed
to beneficial and it just comes back to that idea and perception of yourself as as truth and
your idea with things like body dysmorphia too is like you look in the mirror and you see

(01:33:19):
someone else than everyone else is seeing and you're you're identifying with that
thing that you're seeing and identifying with it as truth and it comes back to
so many other things that we discuss and it's just we can just plug it into this conversation
here and it's like your perception of reality is not reality and that perception is not the truth

(01:33:47):
exactly exactly you're the truth without the perception of division you are the truth i love it
absolutely so this has been episode eight and now that we're approaching the two hour mark we should
probably start to wrap up but um this has been a hell of a week i mean between the the supporter
only live chat we did yesterday the workshop that we did on tuesday regarding manifestation

(01:34:10):
and of course the the social anxiety and worry series that's now available on our website as a
digital download there's just so many changes that are that are coming and i'm very excited because
we have some supporters on our patreon page right now but then i've mentioned this to you before
i i i have not i guess you'd call them lofty ambitions without any need to get to them

(01:34:31):
but if i ever have the capacity to do some of these things i really really want to like um
billboards giant freaking billboards in cities just saying things like you're the universe and
not putting any branding on it whatsoever just owning a big billboard just for that
message and then just to see what happens in the world right put them in as many places as we can
just to get involved with indigenous communities to get involved with non-profits to be able to

(01:34:55):
to start to spread or normalize unity sharing for the point of sharing being for the point being
and so as i see this grow and i see people starting to to watch us and follow us and
join us on on patreon and whatnot and and these new series are coming out and as we continue
to go we're going to cover more and more and more topics from this perspective of clarity

(01:35:18):
we're just creating more and more ripples and and i have to admit that every day i wake up excited
to see how many people i get to talk to today yeah me too and i was actually thinking about
just this process that we've had and uh i was watching it was like some youtube video of some
entrepreneur just talking about his you know keys of success or something and i was thinking about

(01:35:43):
like people who start businesses or work on projects they spend so much time up front like
planning and thinking about it and having this idea and we basically didn't spend any time up
front there's been time spent obviously now since then but like we have all these things happening

(01:36:04):
as and it's just like happening as we're going there wasn't any upfront like talking about
like there was a tiny bit like hey should we start a podcast together like yeah and
then we just started doing it and now we're on episode 8 already and there wasn't that up front
and we've learned as we've gone we have we've started doing the workshops now the patreon and

(01:36:27):
and all of it it's been very cool and just like cool another testament to just being
here and now and just doing things and taking action and not spending so much time fidgeting and
you know questioning and and planning and all of this and just getting into it and doing it

(01:36:48):
and here we are you know however long it's been two months later pretty much it's just very cool
it is yeah because we're we're being the change that we're talking about
and we're just expressing it as we change throughout this and we're listening or rather
we're talking and people who are listening to this are changing as they're listening to this and then
they're coming back with feedback which is causing more change right and so i get very excited by

(01:37:13):
not just this conversation that we're having but how many people are getting involved with it and
how many people are enjoying it and and what that means like how we're going to continue to
just ripple that outwards and we very much covered that in our manifestation workshop and i'm really
looking forward to making that publicly available because there are just so many good juicy insights

(01:37:34):
that we're getting into there uh just about how again we are the change and uh we'll end it there
on that do you want to uh plug anything before we leave i know that your ebook is going swimmingly
i've been reading it as is being updated it's such a good read anybody who hasn't read it yet should
should definitely go and check it out it's available it's on sale right now for a limited

(01:37:56):
time you can find it through um stan and you can also find it through the dualistic unity website
definitely go and check it out yeah i appreciate it yeah it's it's going well
i already i was planning on up adding like a topic a month and i already have
two more that i thought of today to add about i was going to add a chapter called

(01:38:17):
uh no expectations no disappointment and i have two that i've sort of written about
judgment and a specific one about social anxiety to add to i think there's like 14 topics in there
right now um but yeah it's fairly raw it's not like the longest book in the world but i tried to
you know that's kind of the format that i have my videos in their short insights i kind of think of

(01:38:43):
them as like reminders and it's just a sort of a database you can go back to when you're struggling
with something to just remember a few things about you know the way things are or the way things
are not and so i i enjoyed writing it and i'm gonna enjoy continuing updating it for a while and
just continuing to add chapters so yeah appreciate it right that's awesome yeah no it's it's great

(01:39:07):
because it's enough to be a support without being a crutch and and i really enjoy that like the
insights should be short and it should give space for the reader to to adopt it into their own life
into into trying to figure out how to use that you can go almost too far in giving somebody an
insight and then giving them like five examples of how that insight works and to the point where

(01:39:30):
they're not actually looking for any more examples in their own life they're just relying on yours
right so yeah i know the book is coming across really really well i'm really enjoying it and
episode 8 is done so episode 9 will be next week and then of course after our workshop this time
around we're going to take a small break until after the new year so if anybody is interested in

(01:39:54):
the january 2022 workshop we have not decided on a subject as yet so definitely get in touch with us
on social media and let us know what you'd like to hear about or better yet join us on patreon
and you get actually uh priority voting right on what we're going to talk about the next workshop
looking forward to it thank you everybody we will see you next week

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