S.2 Ep.4: Cycles within Cycles

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hello and welcome to season two episode four of dualistic unity i'm playing the part of andrew
today and i'm going to continue to play the part of rey because identifying as such limits the
intensity of my potential okay so yeah we were uh we're just chatting for a little while i was
able to slide the intro in but just about sort of the reality of freedom and waking up and how

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people i think a lot of times when people are going through their own sort of hell or anxieties
or depression they think of the other end must be all sunshine and rainbows and while
not to downplay anyone's you know depression anxiety anything like that but the other side
isn't necessarily always sunshine and rainbows all the time it's like a different type of existence

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and the things that maybe you used to cling to in order to feel a little bit better when you were in
a certain type of mentality they aren't as readily available or not to say they aren't as readily
available they are still readily available but because you are in a different mentality you know
that that isn't what's actually going to make you feel better long-term it's kind of like reaching

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for a bar of chocolate when you're craving something you know and you know you shouldn't sort
of thing like you can but you know it's not going to make you feel better um it's just going to give
you that temporary sort of feeling so just been going back and forth about that a little bit but
yeah absolutely well it's um it's a light it's a lot like the question um well you bike i assume

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you have a bike or you have you had a bike outside of new york do you bike around is the question i
do they have uh city bike stations would you ever put training wheels on your bike no why because
i know how to ride a bike and it's more fun without the trains it's more fun without them but
you have to let go of the false certainty and the false comfort that those training wheels provide

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right that's very much the development of our ego right we use these reasons to motivate ourselves
to grow we use these reasons to uh inspire ourselves to avoid certain bad habits we use these
reasons to try and and help ourselves develop over time but just like training wheels if we continue
to use them it limits our movement it limits our freedom it limits what's what's available what's

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possible to us but it's just that false comfort even when we're strong enough and have the ability
to find our own balance it's our fear of being responsible for that balance that tends to hold
us back but once we decide i don't want to stay within the the comfort of my discomfort i don't
want to stay within the confines of what i've dictated as possible i want to see what else is

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there then you have to let go of that certainty you have to let go of those training wheels but
that means you also have to be willing to fall and as long as you think that falling is going to
diminish you diminish to diminish your value it's terrifying you never want to do that it's
not until you start to question that that falling has anything to do with your value

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at all that you start to realize is through falling that you learn to get back up it's through
the experience of risking everything that you learn what you're capable of and so it is very
much like you know we want something we want something we want something we want to be free
and then we get free and we go oh god i just want to i want to be comforted and

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it's like well that's normal because you've been comforted by fictions for so very long
that you haven't experienced the the joy and the excitement of being free like you've been in the
nest being secure and comfortable and protected by your ego but it has limited you from being able
to fly and flight is terrifying it's supposed to be terrifying that's why it's so much fun

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i like that analogy of being in the nest a lot because i think and just from my own experience
sort of existing in the in the way that our society promotes that sort of feeling of
comfort and security and stability is a lot like being in the nest and very few people have ever

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tried to fly and if you don't jump out of that you'll never know whether you can fly you can't
fly while you're hanging out in the nest so i think that analogy resonates quite a bit because
i feel like in my life now my feelings about things are just very different like for example

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today uh i i got asked to be interviewed by the new york local news the cbs channel two so anyone
who's listening if uh if you are in the new york area that'll be on some news segment i'll probably
post it in discord when i find out when it's going to be posted but they're interviewing me
about having a side gig and saving money and just my mentality about that and so you'll be able to

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watch the interview at some point but um just my mentality going into it was much different than
it used to be i didn't have fear going into it at all but on the flip side i also didn't
have this desire and hope that it was going to go really well because then i would be
looked at as like this very smart cool guy who got interviewed by the news and like crushed his

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interview so i think people don't realize that when you kind of shift mentalities maybe don't
have as much of that fear you don't have as much of that like yearning desire to build up your ego
in the same way so it's more of a neutral feeling of let's see what happens i know that no matter

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how it goes it's not going to add or take away anything from who or what i am so in that there is
far more peace and relaxation but there isn't that peace that egoic peace where you're like oh
like if i do really well on this like and overall it did go pretty well i thought

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but i know that that's also not gonna build me up and make me more so it's just
it's just a very interesting feeling um and yeah it's different so it's something i think i'm
sort of gotta get used to a little bit and it's not a you know a bad feeling in any way it's just
it's a totally different ball game basically well it's very much like the difference between

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being an adventurer say like in the lord of the rings and being riddled with doubt
on the adventure as opposed to being on the adventure paying attention to what's happening on
the adventure right like it's not about what this means about me so much as sweet we just opened
up a new path i didn't know it was here let's find out what that's about and that's very much
you know what your interview was it's like oh this is something that happened that opened up a bunch

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of possibilities that weren't open before i wonder what this is going to do and so it rather than
it being about goals it becomes more about wonder about just watching things unfold
right and and it kind of becomes the same kind of how do i put this it's like watching
a bowl of oil say you have a bowl of water with some oil on the top and you drop some

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dish liquid in there and the dish liquid hits the oil and everything just disperses right that's
very much what it becomes like when you are clear and aware everything you drop yourself into every
pool of oil that you drop yourself into you're just watching the effect that you have
over that pool so whenever you go into a social situation whether it go to the bar you go to a

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coffee shop you go to work you are carrying your clarity with you you're changing everything so
you're not only changing your own opportunities and the things that you see as possible
but you're also changing the opportunities and the possibilities of everybody who's interacting with
you simply because you're so far outside of the script that they imagine is going to be happening

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so your freedom becomes its own action without you having to do anything you just have to be
yourself which is what you're doing anyway but it becomes very different it's not i'm going
to do this and it's going to make me a better person or it's going to make me more complete
it's i'm going to do this and let's see what it does with me right let's see what happens

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and it's a very different thing in that you don't worry about the outcome outside of course
of recognizing that whatever that outcome is you are going to be involved with it right so it's
always responsibility and accountability but it's never fear in the same way that it used
to be it might be caution especially if you're doing something that's dangerous right but fear

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is a different feeling fear of failure is really what drags us back but we don't identify if we
don't identify with the failure it's not failure it's just another step towards success and growth
yeah it's almost like who's failing in that in that sense and and without as much
me like we were talking before the podcast started how i oftentimes am interacting with

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people or walking around and kind of forget almost that i'm andrew like this character
that's other people are portraying in different ways and without that idea of me kind of uh
thinking back to my one of my higher dose trips when i was walking around new york it felt like

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i was almost walking on a treadmill and it wasn't me moving forward through space it was that
everything was moving behind me in space and i still feel that all the time and when i remember
that sort of feel like it like it hits me again but without as much sense of of me it's just

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and seeing myself as everything it's just i am this sort of piece of awareness having influence
here and now in wherever piece of space that i am in the moment so it's it's not that and
without that there's not as much baggage and ideas that come with everything that i do it's

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just sort of that feeling of neutrality of having an impact or influence in the situation without
feeling like afraid that it could take anything away from me because i see myself as not only the
situation but everyone and everything else in the situation so as much as say something did

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happen to andrew and someone perceived me as less it would there would be like an equal and opposite
effect of something else and usually i think when people inflict their sort of egos to make
themselves feel better they do it through trying to see someone else's as less than them so it's
like in neutrality as much as they see themselves as higher they have to equally see someone else

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as lower but without that involvement everything just stays at sort of that neutral
playing field so it's just it has much different experience and it's it's cool but it's different
it's hard to well because you're trying to learn how to to relate to people now
right and since you were always relating to people based on the teeter-totter of value by

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comparison right it's like how do i do that like suddenly you you're interacting with somebody who
maybe you wouldn't have agreed with once upon a time and immediately you start to judge them
and you're like i don't actually know this person they're not just the person they're
showing me right now this is just what they're working through and suddenly your judgment just
disappears because you recognize that they're not the image that you've created of them and that a

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lot of their suffering comes from them trying to be an image that they've created of them
and so you find yourself in this place of of incredible empathy at the end of
the day because you recognize where your own suffering and your own limitations and your own
obstacles really came from where your pain really was rooted or at least where it's

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been maintained and perpetuated over time and you start to realize that everybody's kind of
doing the same thing in this mass avoidance of recognizing that we're all equally uncertain
that we're all just equally the present trying to determine what that means about us and and how
best to interact at in that reality so we come up with a story about ourselves about our body

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and our narrative and what's possible and what's not and we come up with a story about human nature
and god and everything else and it's all just us trying to feel like we know what's happening
and in our urge to know what's happening we create a fictitious world and that fictitious
world is what perpetuates our conflict and our suffering because the fiction is based on our

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lack of clarity right it's based on the narrative that's based on our perceived division and so
once you recognize you're not divided once you recognize you're not your idea of yourself
then it it would seem foolhardy to judge somebody or to try and tear them down in the same way that
it would be foolhardy to inject yourself with a poison

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like you recognize we're all in this together and the depth of that goes way beyond anything
that you might have met egotistically because you recognize that there is no we it's just you
yeah yeah it's like it's very difficult to when you see everyone and everything and yourself

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as as god as the universe as what is then it's almost impossible if you until you forget that
sort of aspect and and i uh i want to bring up the article you posted on patreon
from from your archives i read that today and it was like kind of gave me goosebumps and the idea

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that you know we could be this unified non-dualistic entity that has forgotten
or convinced itself that it that it wasn't like it's it's crazy to think that like how
did we get how do you think we got to a point like was it just in the span of of because it seems

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like more or less a human thing to a degree but so it has to be fairly or seemingly is fairly recent
but but then time doesn't exist either but like it does and it doesn't exactly but like how do we

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like how did we everyone forget like almost almost everyone um yeah so it's interesting because
if if you read any of uh gaber matey or if you ever watch any of his talks he talks about
trauma and how our response to trauma is often to doubt ourselves right so he'll he'll do an example

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where to say okay um everybody here who's had a strong gut reaction or a strong gut intuition
to do something and then didn't do it raise your hand and so like 98 of the room raises their hand
that that is trauma you've learned to doubt your own intuition you've learned to doubt your own
instinct because of trauma because of your reality in fact you know telling you that's not something

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you should do and so trauma has that that problem and then when we're traumatized we identify
we try to get that certainty and that value through identification and often that's where
trauma ends up turning into addiction and other self-destructive behaviors later
later on when it's not um dealt with in a healthy way when it's not when it's not processed as
being something that that added to your potential rather than took away from your potential and so

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when you look at the world the way it is right now especially the fact that human beings
homo sapiens have been around for what like half a million years something like that um
and we have 10 000 years of written history most of which all revolves around this idea of some
global catastrophe happening right whether it be a flood or otherwise i i think that humans knew

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this i think that much of our older culture tribal society and and and so on even if you want to look
at pyramids and stonehenge and all that this all kind of uh rings of a level of understanding and
knowledge about reality that we don't share right now we have technological advancement but when it
comes to our conscious advancement it's really quite lacking i think was einstein who said like

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our technology has surpassed our humanity but when our humanity surpasses our technology
you know things will start to change and i think that at one point our humanity did surpass our
technology i think that we actually knew this um to a very large degree i think that's why why we
stayed in tribal society for so very long but i don't think we just stayed in tribal society i
think legends like atlantis and all this evidence of lost civilizations you know like for example

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um the bones that they're finding deep in the amazon rainforest that have australasian dna you
know from 22 000 years ago when it was impossible for us to travel and to go across the world
or according to our written history where we weren't capable of doing that these all kind of
dig holes and so my thought and this is just again me just kind of spinning over the years is that

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at some point ourselves our culture had such a tremendous act of trauma collectively that it
kind of just knocked us back to the stone age we lost all of our knowledge we lost all of our um
all of our wisdom and the clarity that we once had and so we just struggled to rebuild it over
time and in doing so we've rebuilt empires and all the egotistical stuff in the same way that

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if somebody was experiencing enlightenment and clarity in their own life and you came and you
beat that person up they would have problems struggling to get back to that state of mind
at first because they would feel vilified they would feel oppressed they would feel you know
like they are the victim of reality there would be that perceived separation that they would have to
work through again and i think that that's what we're doing that's why when we look back at our

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more recent history the renaissance um the hippie movement so on and so forth
you can kind of see that mentality trying to bubble back up right and it still exists in a
lot of other cultures especially in indigenous cultures which are largely being oppressed
and silenced so that way that mentality doesn't in fact spread right because again if we were to
suddenly embrace the idea that value by comparison is not a real thing capitalism would end

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right the system as we know it would just fall apart because it's very much based on us
perceiving ourselves as separate so i think that it's just we ended up here out of some traumatic
situation something traumatized us collectively we kind of dragged our way out of that over time and
now we're just habitually working through our coping mechanisms and our addiction

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not fully over the trauma yet but we're working on it that's how i kind of look
at it i mean individually you're working on it i'm working on it other people are working on it
and as we do so we're starting to come together and we're having again a renaissance of ambiguity
we're having that renaissance of clarity where we realize the problem isn't the system the
problem's not the world around us the problem is what we're doing with it and why we're doing the

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things that we're doing so yeah i think we had this before i think we're coming back to it but
on another note i think it's almost irrelevant because even if we've never had this before
it's still happening now and that makes the the future so on uh so-called very exciting
yeah i feel like it does like so much of that does come back to habits and just what we've

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sort of developed as the norm and it's like a combination of habits and the lack of questioning
and people are just kind of comfortable and it's like i really like that nest analogy because
it feels like we're just in this massive nest and everyone's like kind of some people go and

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look over the edge and they're like oh i i can't handle that like i can't fly i know i can't fly
it's like well well do you and and the more that we're able to just question the habits
and i think that's something that i've always sort of done to a degree but a lot more recently
and then you know it kind of ties in with not to go back into like drugs and psychedelics but those

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kind of promote that sense of questioning whereas the drugs that we have settled on
you know like the alcohol cocaine things like that that are kind of running rampant
in our society are not they do not promote that state of questioning they promote that sense of

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almost like a comfort but also frightened comfort in a sort of way and so they don't promote that
feeling of freedom that sort of i was talking about at the start of the podcast those two
sorts of different mentalities where one is say for example you have an interview coming up

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and you're either afraid that it's gonna take something away from who you are or it's gonna
you're hoping and desiring that it adds something to who you are and those sorts of you know those
drugs alcohol and things like that kind of are within that realm of mentality whereas
you know things like psychedelics mushrooms for example are more on the other mentality where

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you're like no i'm i'm pulling complete i'm not gonna add anything to myself i have enough around
me right now i don't need too much more and and what could i possibly lose like how could i lose
and and it promotes that sort of questioning of the habitual things that we individually and

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collectively as a society have settled on both to feel better but also that we're everyone's afraid
of because we have this mentality of separateness and feeling like you know we individually need to
become more and it's much more on that side than we collectively need to become more and so there

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isn't as much me involved in that collective mentality of becoming more and there there's
nothing to there's not as much fear of fear of failure when it's a collective mindset because
if you are sort of working in a direction of the collective there's not as much me involved you
see yourself in everything so it's just a sort of steady progress through questioning which i

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feel like is kind of what we're doing with this podcast and i do think that questioning and habits
are such a big part and questioning habits is is a big piece of of that sort of mentality shift yeah
for sure it it's funny because then we said this i think it was episode two or three you know the

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one-step process of awareness right it's really just being aware that these things are happening
i mean that's what we talked about and discover transcendence right like i'm talking about
three behaviors i'm not telling you anything aside from the fact that if you keep them in mind
you you defuse them you actually disempower those behaviors just by recognizing that they're

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there right and that's that's really all we're ever trying to do but again in that there's this
lack of of control over our perceived value right like we get addicted to the journey
because we think that the journey defines us despite the fact that we know the journey
is to escape self-definition right so it becomes this this vicious loop where at some point we

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have to go i just need to stop or not even i need to stop i need to stop starting because
that's what i'm doing in every moment i'm recreating all of this stuff just habitually
and as soon as you go oh it's habit you take that self-judgment out of there and suddenly
you defused it a little bit more right because you've removed yourself just a bit

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so now you've gained some more clarity right but if that's what it is every time we we take
ourselves out of the problem we gain a little bit more ability to deal with the problem
right but it's ourselves that cause that obstacle it's like we can't see the problem so long as
we're putting ourselves in the middle of it and so as soon as we we go oh it's not about me

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our brain goes okay now i can work on this as long as it's about me i'm too busy trying to
feel better about the terrible way i'm feeling that's been caused by me making it about me
right and so we end up in this this coping loop caused by our coping mechanisms
right and so eventually it's just it's that act of faith it's jumping out of the nest

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that's what it is it's just what happens if i don't keep thinking of myself what happens
if i don't believe any of this makes me more valuable what happens if i realize all of this
is just habit based on confusion well suddenly you have an insight you have another option you see
more doors more opportunities but you also feel uncertain you also feel a little afraid right like

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that's the whole point is that in that state of uncertainty you are aligning with reality but if
you haven't done it for a long time if you've been avoiding it it's not going to feel good
it's going to feel like you've been running away because you have been but there's nothing wrong
with running away because it's it's intense like i said at the beginning of this episode freedom

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is intense right it'd be like if you didn't know you could fly and i suddenly threw you out of a
plane and you're like where's the parachute you don't need one but you don't know that
how quickly can you learn right but if you're too busy trying to scramble your way back up to the
plane to get the parachute you're just going to keep plummeting you actually have to stop feel the

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wind spread your wings right and allow yourself to see what you're capable of but you can't do
it as long as you're in the nest you can't imagine yourself doing it you can't try to you know bait
yourself in to do it or scare yourself into doing it because that's all just still part of the nest

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yeah it comes back to action in that way and i think
i think it's like taking that action feeling that uncertainty feeling afraid but deep down sort of
knowing that it'll be okay always no matter like no matter what period like there's not like oh but
unless this happens or unless that happens like no no matter what it will be okay and

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it's interesting too like the idea of of having faith in yourself that we talk about
but also not really defining yourself so do you think with faith in yourself is that
sort of like faith in your capabilities because part of me feels like faith in yourself is
like sort of an egotistical kind of phrase but then not having an idea of yourself is

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there's nothing to have faith in besides you as you know eternal awareness of the universe
so it's it's like having faith in that as opposed to having faith in this ego identity character of
andrew but it's like having faith in yourself is almost a step in that direction because

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you know as opposed to not having faith in yourself but it can very easily turn
into like this emboldened ego identity of like you know i guess confidence but like to like
too far to the point that you are still seeing yourself as separate and it's kind of like
just on that same spectrum of fearing desiring you know fearing you'll become less wanting to

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become more and if if you gain a sort of type of confidence then you're still seeing yourself as
separate even if you have this positive identity with like a ton of faith in this ego as opposed to
having less sense of self and sort of that's like on another railway almost like less sense of self

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where you don't need sense in in this self but in just faith in everything and i think that's where
it comes back to the idea of understanding that everything will be okay and just seeing yourself
as everything like i almost see them as like two different train tracks almost and i feel

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like i'm kind of newly existing on a different train track i'm like i've never [ __ ] been on
this train track i don't know what's going on here it feels kind of weird but there's also not
really that fear on that train track it's just different yeah and i love talking to you man so
it really comes down to uh so faith is faith is like the eye of a needle that once you're

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through you can just keep going and it keeps getting more and more and more refined until
you disappear right and so even faith in yourself is still egotistical as you said right
but it is a step in the right direction at least you're not passing responsibility off to something
that's external you're not passing it off to a fiction so you're like okay i'll handle it

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i'll handle this and that's a stage or a step into seeing what you're capable of or rather at least
seeing that your ideas that you're not capable aren't necessarily truth and and so you start
to get your idea out of the way a little bit but then you start to run into the idea of faith in
yourself not as you who you are as your idea of yourself but as whatever it is that you are in

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reality serving whatever purpose so then you start coming into this idea that you know i have faith
in my ability as you know the universe i have my faith in my ability as god or i have faith
in my ability as as the observer all of which are still ideas right so it's still it's still
not really faith but it's in the right direction it's going in the direction of faith because faith

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doesn't have an end like the end of faith is the end of you and that's not even true
like that's not even accurate because the end of faith is the end of your perception
that there's a separate you right it's just the relinquishing of control um in the first matrix
movie one of the best scenes in the movie is when neo is fighting morpheus for the very first time

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and morpheus is telling him like it's not it's not your body it's your mind like you're holding
yourself back you know it's like stop trying to hit me and hit me right faith is the same
way stop trying to have faith that's not faith right stop having faith that's not faith right
like it's just where you are without this or with the cessation of a narrative that goes with that

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you're not trying to make yourself feel better in any way shape or form you're not trying to
cognitively feel like you're in control you're just allowing intelligence to act
or or rather for intelligence to be what it is as an expression of the moment that you're in
and that level of faith is not faith i mean it goes beyond the concept that goes to the

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reality of just alignment with unity it's the experience of being at the end of the
day and that's the funny part about all of these things is that we use these words
being god faith presence it's all describing the same state of being it's all describing the same
awareness that we are that we tend to run from because there's no security or there's no illusion

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of um conceptual walls that we live with it somebody once said to me
like your pool pool's super deep i'm like my pool doesn't have any edges there's no there's no walls
in my pool at all right and it's you have to learn to live there if you're going to embrace freedom
if you want to see what it is you're capable of when you're not telling yourself what that is

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then you have to at least just accept that it's not going to feel comfortable at first
it doesn't it doesn't feel comfortable at first because the idea of comfort is related
to my idea of me it's related to my fears if i'm not afraid i don't need to be comforted
right and that's the point it's going so far down the relinquishing of control and and identity that

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there's no comfort to balance out i mean even jesus was saying like faith is just the beginning
like faith balances out fear once you've once you're out of fear you don't need faith anymore
right that that's that state of being what you already are
but yeah it's tricky to try and describe it and and you can start to see and respect

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how not religious figures but i guess figures in the past who have dedicated their lives to
god or nirvana or anything like that when you see how much they've just put themselves aside
for the sake of doing what they what what was in front of them it's amazing it's amazing like when
you see saints or when you see buddhist monks or anything like that and they go out and they're

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just relentlessly selfish they're selfless that that's intense like you really have to respect
that to some degree but again you have to watch out that you're not being the idea of selfless
right because that becomes egotistical too which the catholic church has shown
very clearly yeah it's like something you can't really study or read about or even

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we do our best but express very well like it's hard to do it justice because
you know like reality isn't words what you are isn't words it's not a description like
faith that sort of faith the eye of a needle isn't words it's it's it can be tough but so

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it's almost something you have to experience once you do experience those feelings it becomes much
clearer and much more obvious those sorts of ideas of not needing faith in yourself it's like well
who are what self are you having faith in but until you realize that you it's almost like

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seeing yourself from a third person perspective in a way like seeing that andrew is a part
of this whole and but it's not that i am andrew separate from this whole it's that
i but then you know i have some capabilities here and now to have influence like i can

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move my hands and make sounds with my mouse that other people understand but there is
just such a different feeling with that until you feel that it's hard to express like i was talking
i was actually in tampa a few weeks ago i was on a walk with my little brother
and i was trying to explain to him that feeling i had i was like explaining you know my last big

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mushroom trip i felt like everything was moving behind me and i was just on a treadmill like
can you if you think of that think for a second that you know we're walking forward but that
we're kind of just like on a treadmill and everything else is moving backwards
can you like imagine that and he's like dude no i i have no idea what you're talking about like

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we're clearly walking forward on this sidewalk right now i was like oh damn
okay yeah so that was just an example to me of something now like you know i haven't tripped
in a while like i still feel like that when i'm walking around new york i still feel and i think
you've expressed me when you take just a higher dose it's like you feel like you're at the center

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of the universe and everything else is just like the necessary scenery and that's how it
feels a lot of time and conceptually it's been a shift that i'm almost surprised that i never
saw it before because it seems like such a like not that big of a deal now sudden that it's
like i'm just always the center i can't escape myself being the center of the universe to me

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like it's impossible and so it's just that i am this piece of everything but when the
ego gets involved it's thinking that this is me as opposed to everything but yeah just existing
even just that example of feeling like buildings are going behind me and i am just there it's like

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i don't feel like i'm going forward because i don't i think is it probably because i don't
feel as separate is that what it might be or you're not thinking about yourself
yeah you're not you're not creating a division right and that's it between the observer and the
observed as soon as we have that perception of the division we feel separate now we're working within

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reality right as opposed to as reality and it becomes a very very different experience in the
same way that if you were dreaming and i convinced you you weren't that you weren't dreaming that it
was real you would immediately look at your dream as the world that you live in right but if i was
to say hey you're dreaming you'd go oh so this is all me and you'd have a totally different

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experience of it right and that's very much the difference it's funny i posted this uh this video
from the simpsons on discord i don't know if you saw it it was from a simpsons intro that
i i watched years and years ago it must have been 20 years ago but basically
it's the intro where they all go and they sit on the couch and then

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it zooms out of the couch over the house over the earth back out sees the the galaxy and the
solar system and everything else and all the other galaxies and then all those galaxies start to come
together into larger clusters of galaxies and then those come together into essentially dna
strands and it keeps zooming out and outside of homer's eye so it goes full circle out to the

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universe and then back out through homer's mind and then he's just like whoa and it's awesome
it's awesome and essentially that in reverse is more accurate to the truth right because
you are the awareness of reality which means that to you the only universe that you really

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experience is your awareness of that universe right your awareness is the universe to you
without your awareness there is no universe right and your entire experience of the
universe is through your awareness so your awareness is the entirety of your existence
that's it and all of the possible things that you could perceive or know or learn about whether it

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be galaxies or other forms of life or anything else are still within your awareness you can
imagine them right now right and it's because everything possible is within your awareness
and the universe is an expression of everything possible so it's that paradox it's that
paradox again where it's like you are within the universe that was is solely within your awareness

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so there's no inner and outer there's no external or internal there's no me separate from the
universe right it's all just what it is and that that insight in itself just stops the debate like
that's it there's no more god to reach for now it just comes down to well what do you want to do now
and that's what we need culturally that's what we need globally is to have that conversation from

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that standpoint it's like oh we've just been kind of like beating around the bush this whole time
maybe we should fix things up and clean up this mess but we lack the clarity to do so because of
those conceptual divisions because we don't see ourselves as the environment so we don't care
yeah damn that is a a mind [ __ ] right there but oh man yeah even even just the

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insight that we came from the earth like people don't like a lot of people still don't really
think that like they think that we came from somewhere else to this place to habitat and
we're yeah we're just expressions of the earth which is of the universe and that's that's even

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just that insight and understanding changes my perspective on things seeing myself as
the earth like a fruit of the earth it's like so then but then it's like you get into all
the societal stuff and having to pay to live on the earth we came from and it's just like
oh what the [ __ ] man but so many people feel so separate it's like that feeling of

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separateness and without that there's not really fears and worries in the same way but we like to
almost convince ourselves like we're more comfortable in the prison like our prison
cells are the most comfortable places on earth as opposed to you know realizing like a lot of people

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would probably see that the door is unlocked and not want to admit it they would just be like well
i know this i don't know what's out there and i think that's a lot of society right now is they
don't want to even when they are shown or given a key of sorts they don't want to see what's out
there and they're just comfortable in what they know because i mean i know firsthand recently that

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opening up that door is it's a totally different experience and it isn't super comfortable and
it is kind of comes back to a choice every day of choosing how you know happiness peace joy whatever
and those are all just words too but just choosing to see things how you would like because you

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see that it is within your capability of seeing things and everything is through the lens in which
like the world is existing through the lens in which you see it like the world is how you see it
so if you see it as amazing peaceful whatever like you'll pick those things out if you see it as a

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you know horrible horrendous place with tons of oppression like you will see that but you
can also at the same time like all of that exists within it so you can be aware of that but when you
go through that prison cell it's like you see that it's you perpetuating any suffering that

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you're experiencing so that can be a tougher thing to admit too and then but once at least
once you're able to see it you're able to know how to let it go more clearly versus being lost in it
you just don't even know which way is up sometimes for sure well it's it's not even necessarily how

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to let it go so much as the benefit of letting go i i mean that's the thing right it's like all
of a sudden we go oh that actually felt really good right and that's the thing is that we can't
it's like i was saying to somebody on on the non-duality subreddit the other day you can't
teach being you can just be and then people will want to share that with you because you're

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enjoying yourself so very much right but you can't teach being as soon as you try you're teaching
an idea and that idea is a reflection of your own prison so all you're really doing is sharing
the prison right and so it's not about teaching anything it's just about bringing down your walls
right like once you're aware of your own walls and how they come up and what reinforces them

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and you're able to kind of chip away at them as instead of just habitually creating them you just
habitually create a little less like there's a few less layers each time simply because
you've realized letting go of the walls is what allows you to feel reality right it's
kind of like wearing a big rubber coat and then wondering why we can't feel it feel the rain

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so you can't feel the rain because you're protecting yourself from it and that's that's
exactly what our our ego does our concepts do they they provide a wall between us and the reality
and allow ourselves to kind of ease ourselves into it um without feeling necessarily threatened or
afraid and and again the problem with that is that with them we never actually experience it we only

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experience the wall that we're still holding up onto it's just like in relationships right like
if you have an idea of your partner that's who you have a relationship with not your partner
your idea of your partner you're interacting with your assumptions about that person in which case
they're they're not what you're looking at and if you get blindsided by that person making a

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decision you don't understand or can't relate to or didn't see coming it's because of that
blindness that you've created for yourself in your assumptions and your image of that person
right and the same is true for ourselves and so the only way for us to really find that
flow because that's what it is it really is it's just like we were talking about last episode in
terms of the murmuration of of birds right we are so caught up in ourselves that we're

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literally if we were a murmuration we'd just run into each other and hit the ground like
we are just we we don't have that ability to feel the movement of everybody around us
because we're in we're so caught up inside our barriers that we can't feel them moving
so the more we let that happen the more we start to realize a different form of intelligence which

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is again the difference between conceptually teaching you this is how to catch a baseball
you know i'm drawing you a diagram of the thrower and the ball in the air and
the person with the glove and this is this is the concept of how a baseball is thrown
as opposed to just throwing a ball at you and watching your intelligence play out
right you're not thinking about yourself your intelligence just comes into full swing

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that's what we are we are that intelligence and if we just throw that into every situation without
limiting it constricting it you know saying what it can and cannot do
we would actually start to see what's possible but that's true not just individually but collectively
and it's what we lack that's why we always we we reach for large structures like it's not just good

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enough that we have democracy in say new york city or in new york state now we need democracy across
the united states under one centralized power one centralized organization it's like okay but now
you're making rules for huge groups of people that don't know each other
they have completely different priorities they have completely different needs they have

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completely different cultures and perspectives of themselves and what a community needs
right and we just go no no there's more security it's all just uniform and it's because we lack
faith in one another we lack faith that it the lego movie it's a perfect example right
everybody's a master builder but lord business wants everything to be perfect according to his

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idea of what's perfect right it's not just let people express let the world become what it was
what it will become if we allow it to it's no no we have an idea of what it needs to become
based on my fears and my preferences and so that's what the world has become is become a structure
according to the fears and preferences of a very narrow class of society that has been so removed

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from the actual suffering and conflict that the rest of us are going through for so very long
that the system they're perpetuating is strictly for their own comfort has nothing to do with us
it's just about perpetuating the system that allows them to live the way that they live
and you could say well they're evil i think of it more in terms of just lack of perspective if you

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are constantly comfortable it's very difficult for you to empathize with somebody who's not
comfortable and if you don't want to give up your comfort to help that person then you're
more likely to vilify them for not doing the hard work to gain your comfort right and so it's just
the system that we've created and that system is based on our perspective

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of our relationship with reality and with one another and that is all rooted
in our idea of ourselves it all comes down to that conceptual barrier that we make between you and i
based on who i need to how i need to see myself as different from you
and as soon as we get past that need then we start becoming aware of all of our similarities

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it's that we're looking for the divisions because we think that they give us value
and we don't realize that it's when they when we cease looking for them that we see the unity
that has been our value the entire time yeah oh man yeah it's crazy how just
like rooted in those feelings that we've gotten and to a point that you know before

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having conversations like this i didn't really see and it was almost just like it's just
the way it is it's how it's always been but the more i question things the more it's like it isn't
the way it has to be like we have settled on this and it's wild how interconnected all of these

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ideas are and how it comes back to you know like as above so below like it comes back to
how we perceive ourselves is how we perceive those around us is how we perceive society and it's just
goes as you know far as you want and as close to home as you want and and it's all rooted in

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the same sorts of misunderstandings and feelings these illusions like the illusion of duality is is
what a lot of it comes down to and because of that because we feel separate and different and
live in this world where we base our value off of comparison and how we are as opposed

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to someone else and i think we were talking about in the last episode how just everything
is relative and you can't even know what tall and short rich and poor are without other people
so coming back to understanding yourself and really questioning your needs and desires

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without the veil of comparison i think will help to lead to far more feelings of peace and unity
and kind of freedom and all of that stuff but as long as you're existing in a world of comparison
you will never feel like you're enough never have enough because in any category that you

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compare yourself in with someone else there's always people who are above and always people
who are below even if there's one category say you are the richest person on earth there's like
thousands of other categories you can compare yourself to someone with maybe someone else has

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more love in their life maybe someone else has a better family maybe someone else has you know
is in better shape any of those like you can go no one has is like top of all of those things so
as long as you're existing in that frame of mind there will always be feelings of
you know egotistical boosts followed by feelings of lack no matter how you want to split that out

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the mentality is what is driving those feelings it's not any individual accomplishment or any
cycle you can go through or place that you can get to it's the mentality itself it's it's you it's
your idea of yourself that's in the way and not allowing it's blinding you from getting to a point

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of of freedom and and peace and happiness and joy and all of that because you can't fully get
there through that mentality of fear and desire and comparison and as long as we're existing in
comparison in our society it'll always remain that sort of that sort of way and those senses of lack

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will always be there no matter what exactly it's funny i i reposted an old video i was just kind
of rambling one day i was just like that's kind of interesting i think i actually started the
video with i'm not sure where this is going um but it was it was very much about the fact that
because we identify and because identity immediately creates a conceptual division
between us and reality identity always lacks and so as soon as we're identifying the end result

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becomes a need because it's the solid the solution to our lack which is why we get tunnel vision
which is why we get so caught up in getting to the end result is because of our identity
right the identity is what drives the lack whereas if we didn't identify it would just
be a journey without any need whatsoever right so it really comes back to just identification

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and i wanted to address this because it's the same thing i was saying earlier about
the one-step process it's that it's not about letting go of identification identification's fun
it's nice to be able to say hey andrew how's it going right it's that we take it as truth
that's it that's all it is is that we take it as truth an illusion that you see through ceases to

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be an illusion the trap that you know is a trap is no longer a trap right so it's not about you
know perfecting a life without ego it's about you know mastering the ability to recognize that ego's
not truth that duality is not what is that there is a very big difference between your perception
and what is right perception is never what is though it is a fragment of what is what is

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includes all possible perceptions and situations and environments so just keep that in mind just
question the identity that your mind is creating for you in order to create some level of context
because that's all it's trying to do your brain is just trying to understand where do i fit in
this situation and the only way it knows to do that is through the comparison and the duality

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and the division that it perceives so it needs an idea of you to fit in with its ideas of everybody
else but you are not that idea you're just witnessing the processing of your intelligence
and you're grabbing on to one concept that looks like you thinking that it's you and it never was

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yeah it's funny how the the journey of someone trying to kill their ego is arguably the most
egotistical journey you can probably have so it people get caught up in wanting that and striving
for that and existing without a sense of self whatsoever and thinking that it's

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that's the right thing to do and the wrong thing to do is to have this idea of yourself or
ego but i think people fail to understand that this experience wouldn't be the way it is without
this illusion of duality and you can as you said you can see it for what it is and see that it's

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there exist within it fully take part in it fully as long as you don't believe that it is the truth
and as you understand that it is an illusion so and and it's not even and as you get caught up
in it you know playing the game in the illusion of duality there will be times that you forget

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that it's an illusion because it feels really [ __ ] real like it's it's a really good illusion
and i think that's why we are where we are is is that god has played itself into convincing
itself that it isn't god and it's gotten so good at that um so yeah i think being able to exist

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within it and see it and when you do forget you know not judging yourself along the way
that's my i feel like that's one of my biggest things is just judging myself along the way but
realizing that yeah it's it's a really good illusion and almost like like uh
realizing how good of an illusion it is in that way and giving that some credit almost like yeah

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it is pretty good but bad respect for yeah exactly but it doesn't mean that you have
to take it seriously and when you do get those insights and glimpses you can you can see it a
little bit more clearly oh yeah no i remember sitting is several times in my life just just
in awe of how good i am at convincing myself that i'm not what i am right like that that's

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it's amazing like often there's kind of a tongue-in-cheek joke in theology that you know
could god create a rock so heavy that he himself could not lift it you know and it's it's just it's
it's kind of one of those things where it's like okay that's a nonsensical nonsensical argument it
doesn't really go anywhere but what's interesting about it it's like could god be so powerful and

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limitless that it had the ability to fool itself into thinking it wasn't powerful and limitless
it's a much better way of looking at it because that's very much the case right is that we have
that capacity to get so lost in the illusion of division that we literally cut our potential in
half and we can just keep having it for every division that we create and hold on to is truth

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and and that that's the whole journey is just realizing it's like wow i'm cutting myself in
half that's what i'm doing every time i think about myself i'm just splitting it down the middle
right it's the archer but it's the archer over and over and over and over again and then what's
worse is that if we try to make the target freedom we can't make it right because now we're focused

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on the idea of freedom as well as the action of freedom so we can't just be free in order to be
free you have to let go of all of it all of it or at least accept that none of it's real which is
by far the easier thing than trying to let go of all of it that happens at death so don't rush that
it's like the idea of desiring to stop desiring almost is that idea as opposed to just accepting

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that you're gonna be desiring something and then desiring to stop desiring is another desire so
it's like this inescapable thing where if you just you know it's okay to desire some things
here and there but i don't have to take them too seriously and i don't have to take them
as truth and i can realize that you know they're not going to add anything to me because there is

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nothing more than i can possibly become than i am here and now so yeah um something else
i want to bring up because my friend was dming me uh a week or two ago about the idea of time
and i was i was talking about how time is an illusion and it's always right now and he sent

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me this article that was like the title was like dis like proving that time is not an illusion
or something and it talks about or one of the points he made i forget it was like it
was probably close to a month ago but he talked about how oh well aging is a proof that time

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exists because if you say you or even breaking your arm you break your arm and then it heals
time was necessary we can see that there was time in between the break and the healing
but i i said like well time is just a measurement that we incorporate into things but it's not that

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aging i forget what what my point was i had like i thought it was a decent point that that aging
doesn't prove that time exists but time exists because we age kind of it's like
a flip thing where it's it's not actually proving anything but we just have layered on time because

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we view things in a certain way but it's an illusion because it's just right now all the
time and there's no time in that right it's tricky right because we experience time and even einstein
said time is a persistent illusion because we know that the experience of time is is actually

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something that changes with speed for example right like the the experience of time is something
that's it's not it's not steady it's not universal right like time is another dimension in terms of
movement and duality so there is the experience of time but the reality is there's only ever now
right that that's all that's ever the case but now is in constant flux it's in constant what we

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perceive to be change see like every moment exists in potential in the moment in in the
present moment if without it being expressed let's just say that the nothingness that is
potentially everything and doesn't exist in space or time could be if expressed in space or time all
possible moments of the observer and the observed on every scale from cellular

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upwards they could all possibly exist within that nothingness that could be potentially anything
all of those moments are what we're experiencing but we perceive them as the progression of time
we have the experience of duality so we perceive a before and after but experientially you
can't prove before or after because when it was before it was now when it's after it's still now

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right that is the fundamental truth of our existence is that it's always just now our
experience of time is dependent on our environment on our state of consciousness and everything else
time itself is not a constant it's not it's just as real as physicality as three-dimensional space
which means it's not right it's just a perception that we experience and without that perception we

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would just be infinite all the time without any expression of duality whatsoever so we almost need
time in order to express everything that we could potentially be or at least in order to experience
everything that we could potentially be right because otherwise you're just sitting in a not
even you're just sitting in a state otherwise there is just limitless existence without

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expression you need the perception of space and time in order to express limitless existence
that is what we're experiencing is the perception of time so this is why when
well there was a big bang it's like there's the perception of a big bang which is necessitated
by our experience of time for us to be in time we have to perceive a beginning of it

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and that requires us to perceive an end of it but neither are true because time never ends
right existence is always you can't have non-existence right
so as soon as you have the experience of existence you have the experience of time
they just go hand in hand but at the end of the day time itself doesn't really exist and quantum

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physics will back that up i mean they'll even go into the argument that there's no
reason that icicles should melt rather than you know accumulating water like the flow of time
doesn't seem to have any rhyme or reason outside of our experience of it
which is why quantum physics and science is having such a fun time with that because none of this
makes any sense when you break it down far enough there's no real reason that we should in fact age

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in in the direction that we do age there was a really good uh book by deepak chopra called
ageless body timeless mind and he actually goes into some of the research regarding our
genetics and regarding how our perception of time actually changes our physiological progression how
it actually changes how we age physically right so there's way more to the experience of time

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as it progresses or as our as we perceive it progressing than just you know it's 2022 on this
on this date at this time like that's just a way of keeping track of the rate of change
that's all it is that's all we're ever doing when we're looking at time is we're just
trying to keep track of the changes right or the changes that we perceive but it's

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always just now it's always now that that will never end because that's all that is
yeah it's interesting just sometimes thinking about that that it's not 2022
it's not monday it's none of those things it's just right now it kind of seeing that knocks you

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into the moment in a certain profound way when when you see because
i think i feel like a lot of our society too just kind of settles on that understanding like no it's
it's monday right now it's like says who like it was it's just random stuff that

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and even that though people say well there's because 24 hours in a day you know
the time between sunrise to sunset sunrise and all those things can be measured so yes these are just
labels but you know there's still all of the the ways that our planets interact together and with

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all those things are measured in a certain way and while they're not exact it's still stemming
from something so while it is right now there are still certain approximate amounts of times between
sunrises and things like that isn't it right like we pay attention to cycles and we assume that

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that's indicative of time but if we didn't have those cycles like say the earth didn't revolve
around the sun so we didn't have the progression of seasons how would you keep track of the change
how would you keep track of time right it's actually the changes the cycles of change that
we keep track of and we go ah that's how we'll keep track of time like you know the cycles of

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the moon cycle of the sun the psycho the cycle of our solar system things like that like to us
that's how we keep track of time we're like ah a cycle seven days is a week 30 days is a month
365 days is a year right and the only reason we can do that is because our physical environment
has cycles that we can use to keep track right but if it wasn't for those cycles we would only

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ever left we would only ever be left with now unchanging with no way to keep track of it
it would almost be pointless to have a clock that's 24 hours if the sun never goes down
yeah yeah that's it's a good point so it's kind of that thing where like

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time doesn't mean that we age but aging is something that we track with time it's like
which it's like which one comes first and it's like well the you know rotations of the earth
around the sun comes first and because of that we have dates and months and years and time and

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and all of that other stuff so and yeah it's almost like if you don't think about that then
you might think that we figured out time first and it's like no no that would that's not how it works
we did not control how quickly the earth rotates around the sun or anything like that we just were

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able to track it and then layered on top these measurement type of systems yeah and and i mean
everything is cycles within cycles like each of our cells is born lives and dies right and the so
that's a smaller cycle and then a larger cycle you have the entire body which is ultimately you know

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born goes through all those tiny little cycles of cellular death and decay and growth and everyone
and so on and so forth and then you know the body itself dies and you know around 80 or 100 years
old and then you have the the cycle of birth and death right like the body comes into the world and
the body goes back to the world and then you have the cycle of birth and death in terms of planets
in the solar system the solar system exists and eventually it's all going to get collapsed back

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into the sun and turn into a black hole and then the same with galaxies and everything else and so
everything is just cycles within cycles within cycles and it's all just perfectly seamlessly
organized to give us the experience of duality because that's what cycles are isn't it before
and after everything is duality expressed on different scales and in different complexity

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and that's what existence is but we tend to take that as just further proof that duality is real
instead of just how do i have an awe-inspiring display
of the perfect harmony that our intelligence naturally creates
yeah damn
yeah psych the idea of cycles too oh just that happens on every different scale

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is incredible and when there isn't as much me involved it's easier to see those
for what they are because they're none of them are personal it's it's just what's happening
inevitably so it's not something that you know you cling to or fear or worry about it's just

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another thing happening another cycle occurring within our awareness within existence and yeah
what is what are your thoughts on black holes have you done much digging into those because
i haven't i haven't like really explored a ton of like the whole idea of space and whatnot but

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black holes seem pretty fascinating i don't know yeah well almost like um they're
the end of a dualistic experience it's like the duality is being pulled back into the singularity
right and there's this great theory that that black holes are in fact the gateway to another
big bang right like where they're coming out is the big bang right or possibly the

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big bang of another iteration of this universe right so it's it's really interesting because
essentially what they're doing is it's just like it's the end of the division right it's like
that's enough now it's back to zero right and then and then you have you know the big bang which is
of course the expression of zero into duality and so yeah i think that black holes and the big band

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kind of go hand in hand i think that you know they they are the perceived end to the big bang which
is the perceived beginning and it makes sense how it would be an explosion and then you know
the disappearing of that explosion into nothingness it makes perfect sense in terms
of dualistic symbolism that's why i like the expression that uh space is where god does math

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yeah seriously damn that's that's pretty cool so you've talked before about
the idea of anything that could be possible is possible or anything we could
imagine from you know a lord of the rings type universe or world to i don't know some

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child cartoon type world if it exists within our awareness like without something okay okay so what
i mean is that so if you watch the lord of the rings for example you will see hobbits and orcs
and elves and gandalf and all this fun stuff and i'm not saying that that specific exact situation

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exists within duality but that perception of that specific exact situation exists somewhere within
duality so i'll give you an example i was at the pet store the other day because my daughter has
a gecko so i actively or rather i regularly have to go to the pet store to buy crickets
to feed my gecko and so we went to the store got some crickets well one cricket as they were piling

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them into the bag escaped got onto the floor and just started kind of hopping around the pet store
my immediate thought was that cricket is about to have an epic journey right and if you were
to think of it and if you were to make that qriket's journey and change it just slightly to
a human being in a giant world that he doesn't understand surrounded by giants you would have
a bestseller of a book right and that cricket is experiencing that in its own world from its own

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perspective from its own limitations right that's what i mean is that all experiences
perceptions of them or otherwise exist within reality now you can take that if you really want
to and say well is it possible that the exact situation in the lord of the rings does exist
yeah yeah of course it is because reality is eternal right eternity is a very long

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time like there's no way to really describe how long eternity is and so the universe is 13 and
a half billion years old well on a timeline of eternity that's not even a dot right we could
have literally created and destroyed and created and destroyed the universe as we see it right now
infinite times by now and we wouldn't even know because eternity is a long time right i ran across

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this book once i think i told you this but i'm going to share it again because it's a great
visual for expressing it basically imagine a giant granite stone that's a hundred feet high
and a hundred feet wide and every year the tiniest little bird flies by and scrapes its beak against
the stone once by the time those that bird once a year not that bird but let's say the bird that

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comes by every year has worn that stone down to nothing you have one day in the span of eternity
damn right yeah that that's that stuff that blows your mind like when you start looking at
the actual reality behind the concept of limitless and infinite it's awe inspired it really is like

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it really makes you go wow we really don't know like we don't know anything we're like oh the
universe is such and such years old it's like based on what based on your perception of time
right based on how you perceive like oh the big bang was the beginning and now they're
like well we don't know that i mean it could have it might be expanding and contracting it might be

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you don't know you don't know what you're doing is you're just making guesses based on on what you
can logically perceive to be the truth based on your perception of your relationship with reality
right and that's that's always going to be the case that's why as useful as science is as useful
as philosophy is as useful as all of this stuff really can be in terms of gaining insight and

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evolving our world or adapting to our world it can also set us back in terms of us assuming that just
because something has been the case it will always be the case right and this is why you know people
will say well what about the the constants in the physical universe this is actually a question
that that we had it's like if there are infinite realities if there are infinite iterations of the

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universe do they all have the same laws of physics and that's a great question it really comes down
to the difference between deductive reasoning and inductive reasoning which is why science doesn't
go towards inductive reasoning it's always deductive reasoning it's always this has been
the case forever in our in our observations therefore it will continue to be the case

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this is the speed of of light this is the speed of sound inductive reasoning is yeah it's always
been the case but it doesn't necessarily mean it always will be the case right and that is the hole
in all of our arguments is that it's always based on observation and the assumption of constant

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right and so we don't really know so to answer the question of what's possible in the universe
everything because each universe is going to have ultimately its own rules it's going to have its
own its own structure its own embodiment of what it is basically and so all we can really say is
how things work here that's pretty much it and we can do that only based on observation and

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even in our observation there are holes like for example the experience of time not being constant
yeah it's fascinating how what you just said about uh deductive versus inductive reasoning
on a grand scale of physics in the universe is the same way we apply it to ourselves

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and that's sort of deductive reasoning oh i've done this in the past so therefore i feel like
i can do it again oh i i haven't done this in the past or i've done this poorly in the past
so therefore i will do this poorly again in the future and it's like having this idea of yourself
and i was thinking more about the video i want to do about uh just like a interview and i want

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to figure out a way to like name it something to like kind of catch people from the start because i
think the end is kind of funny and it's basically going to be this guy sits down it's just going to
be me sitting at my desk probably in a tie maybe or something and it's gonna ask a guy something
like you know tell me about yourself or who are you and then the guy starts saying and it'll

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just be me so be like well you know my name is andrew i grew up in minneapolis i went to penn
and played baseball and the guy stops him he's like whoa whoa whoa but you can't use the past
and then it's like well well how am i supposed to do it and then it goes back to the other guy well
are you your past or are you right now because you can't be both then the guy's like oh shh

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i guess i'm right now right he's like ding ding ding and then and then it goes back to the guy and
i want to end it where it's like it clips back to the guy who's asking and then the chair is empty
and it's like it was him talking to himself kind of like a fight club type deal and that that sort

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of situation is what i'm thinking but it's yeah just getting that idea across that you aren't
your past and settling in that uncertainty it's like one of the one of the quotes we
have up that's being voted on now is what what is it exactly it's like um there's more potential in
accepting we don't know what's possible than pretending that we do um and i just want to

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mention quickly actually that uh the vote for so we're creating some stickers for dualistic unity i
just wanted to update everybody here the stickers are going to be basically plastered all over the
place we've got some followers who would like to help us promote in different cities and so these
stickers are going to be going up in high traffic areas basically with just a quote from andrew or i

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just to to share some insights with people as they're going about their day of course there's
going to be a little qr code on there so they can scan it and come to the podcast if they'd like to
but the messages are very much just you are whole and complete in yourself and so what we did was
we created uh four quotes for andrew four quotes for me and we put them on the discord server and
we open it up for voting for for our members and they've come up with um two for andrew and two

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for me and that will be going on to patreon this week for the final vote so if you would like to
have a final final say on this vote do join us on patreon you can vote for which stickers we're
going to be creating and of course as a patreon supporter if you would like a few copies of that
sticker to put in your own neighborhood you just have to let us know and then we'll mail you so

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yeah i'm looking forward to getting those out there it's uh yeah fun fun thing to do and it's
fun to get everyone involved in in having some uh vote in in what we're what we're doing with
that but yeah yeah the idea just that you are not your past and you are not what you think you are

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at all and then real kind of relaxing into that uncertainty of you don't know is
initially admittedly not the most comfortable thing ever it really isn't because it doesn't
hold on to kind of what we're talking about at the start of the podcast cling to
all those ways that people feel better about themselves these days it's it's kind of

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beyond that and and relaxing into uncertainty is not the most common mentality in our society
and not even not even close if not it's far from many mentalities in our society because everyone
wants to feel certain but realizing that nothing is ever certain there is a sort of eventual

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comfort in that because initially you think that everything you're trying to do is be certain about
the uncertain so it's like this loop that you're like running in a hamster wheel almost and then
thinking that there's like a or a donkey with a carrot on the end of its stick thinking that
this is going to solve things for you and it never is until you realize that uncertainty

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is reality uncertainty is the norm and then you sort of relax into that like i don't know what's
possible i don't know what i'm capable of i don't know what we're capable of what i as the universe
is capable of but let's find out but if you aren't here now and you're and you're existing

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in a mentality that's always focused on the past or the future you won't experience that sort of
visual of what is capable because you're always so caught up in thinking you know or
trying to figure out what's capable which is a future focused mindset and you're

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trying to figure it out based on what has already happened
in the past using that sort of deductive reasoning so that's never actually experiencing reality in
the moment which is the only place that it ever is and in reality the only place that you ever
are yeah well that's this is what krishnamurti was always saying right it said you want to experience

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the unknown but you keep trying to do it through thinking which is always based on the note
how can you get to the unknown everything you're creating is a product of the note
now to get to the unknown you have to stop being known and that that that's again that that's that
act of faith that's that leap right that we're talking about and and again it's something that

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happens over time and what's interesting i was just discussing this with my wife the other day
it was based on on something that you had actually said was an idea um you were going to do a video
um from the bathroom basically comparing the process of relaxing through this to taking
a dump as it were right and and it's very much like that in terms of as you start to

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practice this as you start to realize like oh i just need to relax get myself out of the way
just kind of go through whatever it is i'm going through in terms of my life situation
you start feeling what i like to call compression right your reality because it's built on the
opposite of this is going to try and get you to identify it's going to try and get you to to dig

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into the idea of control and when i say it's going to try i'm going to it's more accurate to say it
is specifically designed to encourage and entice you to do that to and to use those strategies
and as you continue to remind yourself no i'm not what i think i am no i don't know what's
going to happen no and so on and so forth you can feel that pressure it's just like come on just

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commit just go back to that mentality you know define yourself get an idea of what's happening
and so you have to just keep relaxing and relaxing and relaxing regardless of the compression you
know this is why i was talking about you know going to the bathroom or your video about going
to the bathroom because it's like if you don't relax you end up locking yourself up right you
end up constipated as it were with your own ego and that's very uncomfortable but as soon as you

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just relax and allow yourself to go through the process of whatever it is you're going through
it's like you just clear the sphincter and you're out the other side you know just kind of drifting
now and waiting for that next that next cycle of compression waiting for that next lesson
that's going to once again entice you into your old habits and give you the opportunity
to once again surrender them and jettison them and see what's what's next when you do so

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yeah i i feel like i know that compression well right now but um there was that video that uh you
sent i think it was arielle here and now talked about how uh it was a night a video about how the
the path of sort of i don't know if it was going through our stuff or kind of going through

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difficult situations it's not that that is a part of this journey that we have to overcome in order
to you know like reach our higher self or gain you know god consciousness whatever you know it's like
it's that that those sort of struggles or things that we go through is the path itself like that is

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the path right then and there it's not like a piece of it or a precursor to it that we get to
you know once we overcome it then things happen it's like that is it like we are on that path kind
of consistently so that i think ties hand in hand with the uncertainty and sort of just relaxing

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into the uncertainty and looking around and realizing you know sometimes that path it's never
certain but sometimes it can be pretty beautiful so if you walk around and you know look around
on your on your walk and on your journey through it in that way that is always happening right

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now in front of you it's not this path that has a destination it's like an infinite path
that has scenery it's like that is the analogy for this sort of experience i think yeah or you
can walk down the path so completely wrapped up in yourself that it's very much like one of those

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people walking through the city is just talking to themselves and having an argument with nobody
who's even there they're not even aware of their surroundings right and it's because they're so
wrapped up in the fictional world that they've created and committed to that they're missing the
opportunities that are actually right there all the time and so just like with every other cycle
it's like we have to go through the small cycles of our egotistical attachments right to see the

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larger cycles of our egotistical attachments which reveal larger and larger and larger cycles and
the more we align with them the more we start to realize that we are also aligning with the
larger cycles of the reality that we're a part of right and that's all of a sudden when you have a
conversation with somebody and like you experience this weekend where you're just working on your own
stuff you're doing it the best way you can you start to actually get to the point where you're

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like well this is all kind of straightforward and obvious now and and you know you almost
devalue how profound it was just because you've become so familiar with it
and then all of a sudden somebody comes along they're like that just rocked me like i never
even thought of that before and you're so wrapped up in the next iteration of your cycle that you

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don't see the cycle they're still on right and you forget right that cycle leads to another is
to another leads to another they've just seen you know that insight which broke a previous cycle or
at least revealed that cycle to them that's all we're ever doing that's all we're ever doing is
we're just you know we're like russian nesting dolls right and some of us are deeper in some of

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us are a little farther out towards the the edges right but that's that's all it is and every time
we see a deeper doll that doll inspires us to remind ourselves that right that's within me too
right i can i can realize i am that deeper doll and deeper and deeper and deeper we go
the more we start to realize that we're all the same doll expressed in different bodies right

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and so that that's where that empathy comes from for sure it's interesting to me because
our conversation in this podcast has evolved a lot uh since the beginning of season one now
we're starting to get into the deeper end of the metaphysical conversation and i hate to call it
that but i mean at the end of the day we're talking about existence and then the uh the

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role of an eternal awareness which brings us into the entire idea of a soul and alternate realities
and infinite moments and so on and so forth so it's very difficult not to get into
the fun metaphysical side of this but i want to preface that by saying this is all for fun
it's in the same way that researching aliens building the pyramids or researching you know

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the annunaki or researching anything like that just adds to the story it just adds
consideration it adds more more nuance and more layers for you to bring in and recontextualize
to learn about yourself but it's all for fun if you're getting so caught up in needing to
know you're missing the point and you're once again going to end up being afraid and i just

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wanted to preface that before we get deeper into this conversation because we've had some
really good questions lately and whereas i tend to ramble and rant i wanted to ask you some of them
so here's we're going to start with this one could you transfer a plant's awareness
into a human body or vice versa not asking you to actually say how that would happen but

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if you were to be able to is that something that you think would work
um i mean it's already there right i feel like that comes back to just how you define
yourself and it's kind of like the analogy with uh the thoughts inside of your head like the

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idea of if you had a headphone in one of your ears and you could only hear this voice out of
one headphone like that ear is hearing this voice so does that mean that you know your other and say
you identified with it and it sort of became your internal dialogue does that mean that you know

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the other ear is no longer you like it's it's the sort of same type of thing and it just comes back
to how you identify yourself and if you go through sort of hypothetical situations where say you lost
a bunch of your limbs and basically like all of your body until you were still functional

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but you know didn't have a lot of pieces of that you defined as you is like are you still
you or are you maybe not this body that you've been defined as so it's like this awareness is
already there but something i i i'm curious about is like there is still

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not really because space is an illusion also i was going to say there is this like difference
in but there still is like this different in perspective and sort of like the
condensed sort of spotlight consciousness that like alan watts talks about like spotlight versus

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floodlight and there is sort of like that difference in spotlight consciousness how
we but it's still just a feeling because like right now i'm looking at a screen in new york city
ray is looking at a screen in vancouver island but it's just because i define myself as andrew and

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you define yourself as ray or i define myself as andrew and not as a plant like if that's
what it comes down to so i don't know but curious that's a great answer that's a great answer but
it's kind of funny i always think of it in terms of if we were to just let like make it
easier if i was to take your awareness and put it in this body the only difference is you'd be

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wondering where the hell does my hair go right where is if you were to take
your awareness and put yourself in a plant you suddenly get really confused by you know not being
able to eat dinner or walk around so if you were to take a plants awareness and put it in your body
i was saying this kind of facetiously and as a joke to the person who asked that body

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would more than likely starve from trying to photosynthesize and drink through its feet
right because it's just we adapt to our form our our awareness is expressed according to the
limitations of the form that it embodies right and so it's the same awareness but it learns
to express itself differently according to to that form or according to the the um the identification

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that it experiences and in terms of a plant it's just you know i implant whatever that might mean
it's not a concept but it's just i'm separate from what i'm experiencing so there's still that
perception of division but it doesn't have the conceptual framework of you know i am a plant with
this name of this neighborhood in this area this species and so on and so forth it doesn't have any
of that crap it's just i am separate from whatever i'm experiencing so it's the same awareness

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great answer yeah that was really good so here's another one for you does suicide end suffering
i do not have much background in thinking about
suicide but no but you do have background in suffering

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i mean
yes and so yes and no because it ends the illusion of division in a sort of way
kind of but not really also because if you're because at what point does it and the illusion

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and for who you know so like if in the moment that you kill yourself
you obviously are have taken the illusion of duality as truth because you think that this will
change the situation and your situation which you have identified with and likely the reason

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that you are in that sort of situation to begin with is because you feel so separate and it is
stemming from your idea of yourself as being separate because without those feelings of
separateness there is not suffering to that degree there can be pain certainly and there can be

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hunger and all those things but that type of suffering that necessitates you to end
this life in order for it to end isn't the same as that pain and hunger it's it is a mental sort of

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suffering so i don't i don't know like i got it that's a good answer i mean but let's uh let's
ask more specifically even if i were to kill myself does that end the reality of suffering
no no which means that in any form awareness or me in any form that has the awareness of

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being me there's the potential for suffering because suffering is part of duality and so
ending one life doesn't end life and since you are life there will always be
the two opposites will always be joy and suffering in whatever life you're experiencing
right so no suicide doesn't end suffering like you said it's always there it's just

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how much do we exacerbate it by committing to the division that's making it worse right and that's
that's the option we have all the time which is why these conversations are so useful is because
what we're doing is we're just talking to people about the suffering that they're experiencing and
reminding them it's because of the illusion you're invested in it's because of the perspective that

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you've learned is the truth and so in our own little way by entering up ending our own suffering
we are embodying the insight that would allow other people to possibly learn the same trick
or the same strategies that that we learned and i mean taking that far enough i mean if
we could actually look at humanity's future let's just say this conversation catches like wildfire

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changes the entirety of our of our species path on this journey and in the future everybody starts
recognizing we're all one and living accordingly the suffering in that world would be so much less
than the suffering that we are perpetuating in this world that that would be a different argument
we would be looking at suffering in a different way but because the world that we we are currently

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a part of because of the mentality that created this world there is so much suffering that we
don't understand killing ourselves actually doesn't escape it it just makes it worse
right because it just leaves more suffering for everybody who's still here which is still you
yeah yeah i thought about that too in terms of just how animals and plants and other species

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don't commit suicide there is no suicide in the animal kingdom as far as i know at least but
so yeah it does show because there's still you know pain in the animal kingdom certainly there's
i mean their lifestyle like we don't we wake up we don't have to worry about getting chased down by a

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you know cheetah or something like that's not part of our day anymore or a lion at the bottom of our
stairs outside of our apartment like that's not something we deal with but yeah like there isn't
that level of identity self-perception that could lead to wanting to end this idea

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of you in that way and so yeah i've just always found that interesting the idea that it doesn't
it isn't something that exists outside of humanity really right yeah our survival instinct is
actually our instinct for self-preservation is pretty much hardwired until um you get
human's capacity for getting in the way of it with conceptual ideas right it's like all of a sudden

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we completely override our biological programming like we we rewrite and rewrite the hardware
by messing with the software it's so interesting to watch ourselves do that um one more question
for you when we die physically what do you think happens to our awareness

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it continues in the same way it is now like is it when like andrew dies physically or like we get
sucked back into a black hole or something well i see this is i guess the question is
what happens when we die i've been wrestling with this one um for the last few days because a lot of
people get very upset at my lack of doubt um and and it's very much do we continue to be ourselves

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after we die the argument is does our identity continue on with us when our body ceases to be
no i can't imagine that how it would because it's just a product of this
sort of collective mentality of thinking that we're separate in this illusion of

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duality so just the idea that it's a delusion an illusion how could it continue beyond the illusion
if it's an illusion and then the illusion ends then it hasn't been that's why i feel like the
idea of having less of a sense of self can lead to a life of just sort of that freedom and it doesn't

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mean that it's you know the easiest process to go through but without that sense of self that's
all that death is also it's like but there's just a physical component to it that sort of
goes along with it but you know we see death all around us all the time

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death and birth like death and decay and birth and regrowth is happening constantly so the idea of
this human meat suit dying is just a personal thing to us or another meat suit that we know
is personal to us and that's why we have all these like crazy ideas about what happens and we think

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that you know we would go to heaven but like dogs don't go to heaven it's like it's such a human
idea of an afterlife that we've just like kind of settled on it's like why do we think that
we would and and other you know beings wouldn't exactly but yeah so i don't even remember the

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initial question that's a great answer that's exactly the point and we stumble on this because
time again the perception of time the perception of division perception of identity all of that
because we think that that's us the idea that it just ends is very uncomfortable
for us like we really want to hold on to this idea that there's a me

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that continues on after this experience has ended and it's it's a bit of a tricky
question and answer as you've just noticed because it's like what do you mean by you
like you are not the you that you think you are right now so that you that you are
is what continues the you that you think you are is what doesn't i mean immediately the brain short

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circuits and and you know smoke starts coming out of your ears you're like what does that even mean
it's like time is an experience it does not exist outside of the living
right identity does not experience outside it is not an experience of sight of the living
your entire experience of being alive is based on the perception of division it's not

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the reality so when you die when the illusion ends time division identity all ceases to be
you go back to just being existence itself which does not exist within space and time
space and time exist within it right if you can even use the word within or without at that point
so that's a great answer that's really good because it's it's one that we run across a

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lot because the perception of time because of the perception of division and duality
and identity are so convincing that we have problems stumbling over this idea like
i'm not the character i think i am it's like no that's just the experience you're having this time
you know enjoy it that that's what that's a for that's what that's for when it dies you go being

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go back to being everything all the time everywhere forever which you already are
right now and that's where the brain starts it's like yeah yeah so reality without space and time
that could potentially be anything exists at the same time as all of space and time

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enjoy that that's very much where that comes from right and so we we end up in this weird place
where it's like whoa what hold on so we're not in time but we're experiencing times like correct
that's exactly what's happening we're not in time but we're experiencing time we're not separate
but we're experiencing separation that's the point we're not in control but we get the illusion of it

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yeah yeah it's wild how it's all just a bunch of illusions and as you take them as
truth you know it's it's fine to experience them but when you take them as truth is where you know
starts start questioning those those ideas absolutely which is why we go back to the

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whole thing or think once you've met god touched god whatever it is you want to say
it's nothing but forgiveness which is again a misinterpretation nobody's forgiving you you're
letting go of the story you feel you need to be forgiven for it's not that anybody's descending
from on high to say oh you're okay don't worry about it right it's just that you're

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recognizing none of it was the truth none of it was what you thought it was and some people
will say oh well that seems very convenient you can just escape try it try not judging yourself
there's a lot of work that goes in with that you can't just go oh yeah no i'm all in everything
i don't need to question it try just try that convincingly for a little while you will have

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to face things you will eventually have to have an insight or you will wrestle with one with an
obstacle that you are still attached to it's not as simple as just going oh i'm not what i think i
am immediately all of your thoughts go yes you are because you've trained them too right and so it's
just going through that process cycles within cycles within cycles all the time one insight

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leads to larger insights least larger insights or or alternatively ripping apart one illusion
reveals all the other little illusions that it was made of right so it's always cycles within
cycles but at the end of the day none of them exist because it's always just right now and you

(01:49:30):
yes yeah a lot of a lot of freedom in that understanding but it's good
for sure um we're coming up on the two hour mark so we should probably wrap up this episode this
has been a lot of fun i do want to uh reiterate to everybody that if you haven't joined us on discord

(01:49:52):
as yet definitely do the conversation is growing all the time i'm just amazed by how many people
are are excited to be there and are reaching out to one another and helping one another along their
paths it's really inspiring to see and of course if you're not on patreon definitely do join us
on patreon you can vote for the stickers that are coming up you can keep track of what's happening

(01:50:13):
with our new video that we're going to be working on beyond transcendence if you're curious about
what's happening with the nfts and the dow that's also all going to be on the patreon page as we
move towards that over the next two three weeks here uh we have a round table coming up this
wednesday and of course we have another patreon supporters only chat coming up next wednesday

(01:50:33):
from six to eight pm uh eastern time i believe so if you join us on patreon you'll have the link to
that zoom group and then you can ask us questions or or bring up anything you'd like to talk about
i do have a list of a lot of questions here that people have asked we did manage to cover
a few of them we kind of circled around a few if you have questions do drop it into the discord

(01:50:55):
podcast questions channel or ask us on patreon we'll do our best to cover them in the episodes
but if we don't there is another q a episode coming up later on this season
and we will be addressing them there so don't worry we are compiling them if we
don't get to you today or during an episode it will be coming up in the near future
yeah i always enjoy the q a episodes almost makes it kind of like easier in a way to just

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run like rip through a bunch of questions and kind of have not that we ever struggle with getting
through episodes and finding things to talk about and going back and forth but yeah just have i i
mean we could if we compiled 100 questions we could have a 10 hour podcast session probably
but yeah it'll it'll happen one day i'm sure but uh yeah we'll see

(01:51:48):
absolutely and that you know our our listeners are welcome to consider that a challenge because you
know as long as we have questions we'll probably keep answering them admittedly this is something
andrew and i were talking about for a long time is that before i met andrew i wanted to create
content before i got into tiktok and i didn't and it was largely because left to my own devices i

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don't really have any questions and so i'm not thinking about a lot of things and somebody
actually asked you know uh what's one question you'd like an answer to i don't i don't want an
answer to any of my questions if anything i'd just like answers and you know continue to question but
when you do that enough you start running out of questions to ask yourself or more importantly you

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start realizing that a lot of the questions you're asking yourself are actually avoidance of the
answer that would be there alternatively um and so you end up in this kind of weird quiet space and
when i first met andrew he was in a point where he had nothing but questions just question question
questions which was the entirety of season one for the most part was us talking about
questions now andrew's coming to the point where it's application right it's not just theory it's

(01:52:57):
actually being in the field working on this stuff as it pops up and so our conversations revolve
more around application than anything else and so a lot of our conversations are going to go into
the experience of awareness and how to work with that experience but if you have questions we
want to hear them because questions are great fun if we're not necessarily revolving around

(01:53:21):
a subject that you're interested in or have a question about ask us we are more than happy to
go back and explore it again because even with all of the progress that andrew's made even with all
the progress i've made in my own life having the opportunity to look afresh at a question
provides an opportunity for more insight not just for you the listener
but for andrew and i as well so by all means submit those questions join us on discord

(01:53:46):
yeah it's fun going through questions on a relatively consistent basis because i feel like
each time like someone asked me a question a year ago versus six months ago versus now
my answers would probably be different every single time and you can probably see that in
my content for anyone who's followed me for a while my videos have changed my thoughts about

(01:54:11):
everything have have kind of changed and my perspective on things have changed so
yeah if you want my up-to-date perspective on things stay up to date because it's changing
for myself every single moment and i'm doing my best to not judge myself along
the way because it's yeah it can be a little bit turbulent at times i'm not gonna lie

(01:54:36):
yeah absolutely and i'm sure everybody's listening to this can relate to that as i know i can't so
we'll wrap up here and of course we will see you next week and don't miss the roundtable
episode that's coming uh in the middle of this week as well thanks everyone bye everyone

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