Episode 439: AI in Business Central: Bridging the Gap Between Developers and Functional Consultants

In this episode of Dynamics Corner, Kris and Brad talk with Miljan Milosavljevic about how AI is changing Business Central. They explore how AI helps developers and functional consultants work together. With a discussion around Subscription Billing, they share their experiences and insights on how AI-driven development and AI agents can make business processes smoother. Listen in for thoughts on the future of AI and ERP optimization. Don't forget to subscribe to keep up with the latest trends in Business Central.

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SPEAKER_00 (00:01):
Welcome everyone to another episode of Dynamics
Corner.
What's subscription and what'sAI?
I'm your co-host, Chris.

SPEAKER_04 (00:10):
And this is Brad.
This episode was recorded onDecember 9th, 2025.
Chris, Chris, Chris.
What is AI?
I don't know.
I don't think I can go threeminutes without thinking about
AI.
But in this episode, we had theopportunity to talk about AI and
development and the future ofdevelopment, along with the
subscription building modelwithin Business Central.

(00:31):
With us today, I had theopportunity to speak with a lot.

SPEAKER_01 (00:54):
Hi, hi.
What about yourself?

SPEAKER_04 (00:57):
Doing very well.
Doing very well.
I've been looking forward tospeaking with you.
You know, it's interesting.
I just wrote a blog articleabout an AI vibe coding
experience.
Experiment that I did over theweekend.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12):
I saw that post.
This morning.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15):
Yes, yes.
I put it out there this morning.
I have Raspberry Pi.
I use Pi Hole for advertising.
Not ad for ad blocking, excuseme.
Jeez, I'm all messed up thismorning.
For ad blocking, I use Pi Holerunning on a Raspberry Pi.
And then Sunday morning, Irealized that Pi Hole has an
API.

(01:36):
And I have a little 1.3 inchOLED display that I purchased
for my Raspberry Pi.
For another one.
I have multiple Raspberry Pis,not the Pi that's running the Pi
hole.
I put it on, I put the OLEDdisplay on the Raspberry Pi.
And then I said, okay, I'm goingto see if I can vibe code
without writing one line ofcode, something that will pull

(01:59):
the API.
Using the API, pull thestatistics from the Raspberry Ui
running Pi hole and display iton the Raspberry Pi that has the
OLED display.
I've never programmed in Pythonbefore.
Thankfully, with knowingdevelopment, I understand enough
to um read code.

(02:21):
But I said, I'm going to gothrough this experience without
writing one line of code.
And it did it.
Success?
Success.
What blew me away was I I Isaid, um, we need to, here's an
API.
Here's the endpoint, here's thestructure of what it looks like.
And then, you know, here's youknow the structure of the API,

(02:46):
here's the API endpoint.
Um, and then here's the responsebecause I started in the API
documentation, and I need topull out this.
So just giving it thatinformation and telling it what
I wanted to do with someprompts, it went through the
whole thing of connectingthrough the API, getting a

(03:06):
token, put in code to refreshthe token if it needed to, then
display information onto thislittle OLED display.
It created documentation.
Now, this OLED display hadbuttons.
It even suggested do you want uhto make one of the buttons be an
exit from exiting theapplication?

(03:26):
I was floored because it knew,and again, this little OLED
displays is not like displayingon a monitor.
You have to code to display theinformation.
It's not just you knowdisplaying something on the
screen, it's uh display that youhave to display the programming,
and then it knew to program thebuttons.
Wow.
I was and you didn't write oneline of code.

(03:48):
I didn't write one line of code,completely prompted.
And and again, I did this in myhouse.
I wasn't on anyone's you knowsystem and we're not doing
anything crazy.
I have you know disposable pies,I'm working on it.
You know what the best thingabout it?
Yep, what it took one hour tocomplete.
Start to finish withdocumentation.
It will pull the API so I don'thave to open up the pie hole

(04:12):
dashboard to see the statisticsagain.
Do I look at that stuff thatoften?
No, because I just runs.
But I figured I just have alittle vibe coding fun
experience.
And during that time, I cleanedmy smoker.

SPEAKER_00 (04:25):
Oh, your barbecue smoker?

SPEAKER_04 (04:27):
Yes.
My smoker, my smoker grill,excuse me.
Yes, my smoker grill, I cleanedduring this process and I was
done.
I started at 1500, I was done at1600, including cleaning my
grill.

SPEAKER_00 (04:40):
That's incredible, man.

SPEAKER_04 (04:44):
I was floored.
And with that, before we getinto talking about some of this
and a little bit more duringtoday's conversation, can you
tell us a little bit aboutyourself?

SPEAKER_01 (04:54):
Yeah, so um I would say I'm I'm I started with NAV
like in 2008.
That's quite a few years.
Oh no, and currently, yeah,we're all on the plane with the
business central.
So I'm I'm I'm working in aGerman company named IT Hammer
IT Consulting uh in a productdevelopment basically.

(05:17):
And you could say I have um yeahmore contacts with Microsoft
directly than I used torecently.
I'm contributing more to code,that's how I would put it.
The other way, I meantechnically or let's say it
other ways, I'm just uhtechnical dude, mostly.

SPEAKER_04 (05:39):
No, that's good.
Technical dude.
I like that.
Technical dude.
Um no, but you've done some uhinteresting things.
Wanted to talk with you aboutone.
Um what is your take on AI anddevelopment with Business
Central?

SPEAKER_01 (05:53):
Um I think I I feel like probably like many people
uh that it's picking up I wouldsay slowly, still slowly.
I think some of us areexperimenting more than the
others, that's for sure.
I kinda like it how the futurefeels like it will look like but

(06:14):
I think it was here at thebeginning somehow, I would say.
I mean we have seen um you knowenormous I would say advance in
recent months.
So you can yeah, yeah, so youget something really usable at
this point of time.
However, I'm not the guy that'slike uh or so far my experience

(06:37):
was like that that uh whatever Igot, I had to fiddle a bit.
So it was never a complete storyspit out of the AI.
But basically, um I think that'ssomething that we should count
on in the future, generallyspeaking.

SPEAKER_04 (06:53):
I I think I think so too, and I think you hit some
points.
I think I had an experience Italked about at the introduction
to this with Python, which is amore popular language, there's
more information out there.
And just throw some questionsout there for discussion based
upon your context.
And I've been also talking witha lot of uh individuals within
the business central communityspace, or ever you want to talk

(07:14):
about about AI and development.
And I I've been speaking withnot just technical dudes like
us, I've been speaking withfunctional consultants as well.
Do you think there's adifference in adoption between
using AI when you're a developeror a functional consultant using
AI for development?
Because and the reason why Ipositioned the question, I've

(07:37):
been speaking with a lot offunctional consultants who've
been dabbling with AIdevelopment now.
And as they had mentioned, therecent models working with you
know, everyone started usingClaude uh I think Sonic 4.5,
they've had some great results.
I've been using um Codex 5.0lately.
Uh 5.1, I didn't have too muchluck with for just I didn't like

(08:00):
the way that it was prompt andinteracting pack with me.
But I've been getting betterresults.
So it is getting better with AL.
Now, I've been speaking withboth developers and functional
consultants, and in theconversations I've had, it seems
a lot more functionalconsultants, because they
understand the application, aredoing development with AI for

(08:22):
Business Central.
Creating some small applicationsand PTs.

SPEAKER_01 (08:29):
Yeah, so that's an interesting, interesting yeah,
developing story, right?
So I I I mean I I I also see ithappening, right?
Um I wouldn't say it's reallythat prominent.
I don't know at least in in thesurf time I'm moving around.
But yeah, um that can I meanthat will happen for sure to

(08:53):
some extent.
However, I I see that I thinkthat I mean both sides should
adopt it too.
I but I think the usage or theway how the the the functional
how to use it is differentcurrently.
And I think it's probably goingto stay that way.
I mean it's great if if some ifthey can develop some something

(09:14):
on their own, so to say.
But for the moment I don't seeit, at least in my circle,
happening in in masses, so tosay.

SPEAKER_04 (09:22):
No, I I understand.
I don't think it's in massesanywhere.

SPEAKER_00 (09:25):
Uh as well as here's what kind though, like how
though, Brad?
Like, for example, you know,what would be their use case?
You know, are they just buildinga table and a page or are they
creating a full-on stack?

SPEAKER_04 (09:39):
Because it it's um about both.
Um and I think there's somechallenges now with even because
I've been working with businesscentral development as well,
too.
And we can and this is why Iwanted to uh talk with you today
about and then we also have thewhole just to preface it, I have
a million subscription billingquestions for you too.
But uh uh the whole topic, youknow, we we were speaking before

(10:02):
about AI and development.
I I think it does depending whatyou're building, and I also
think it depends how you promptit and what you understand.
I'm not going to talk about someof the things that they shared
with me because I don't know ifanybody wants anything shared.
Uh, but they were more than alittle bit basic tables.
The basic tables and pages, Ithink it has down pretty good.
They had some functionality uhin them, and I was impressed
with some of the functionalityuh as well.

(10:25):
And it's it makes me wonder umbusiness central is a framework
and AI has to know the frameworkto develop the code.
Whereas if you do something likeI did, you're starting from
scratch.
It's like you're you'rebasically creating a framework
with the language.
Where AI, I think, withsomething like business central
in the AL language, it's alittle more challenging for the

(10:45):
AI, right?
Because you have a predefinedframework that you need to
develop within forfunctionality.
So if we want to uh do bulkposting of documents, for
example.
Um, you know, Steve Endo did avibe coding session.
I think he did that.
Uh he did some stuff withBusiness Central.
It has to understand theapplication in the context of

(11:06):
the comp of the application forit to develop it.

SPEAKER_00 (11:10):
Uh so but but the concept is not too far too far
different than what you did withthe pie hall, right?
You have you have very littleknowledge of the development uh
language, and you're able tobuild a full working solution
for what you're trying toaccomplish.
Correct.
I'm assuming they're gonna havethe same approach with
functional consultants whounderstands the application, but

(11:33):
not so much the developmentcoding language, and they're
yeah, they could build a fullstacks, a full solution.

SPEAKER_04 (11:40):
I think even I think you need the development for
some of the more complicatedstuff.
But I think I think it shiftswhere development you would also
need it, it it almost proves tome that for development, and
I've always felt this fordevelopment, you should have a
good understanding of theapplication so you can develop
better solutions and know if youneed to even develop.

(12:02):
Uh, because now with all thefeatures and functionality
within the application,sometimes you don't even need to
make a uh modification orenhancement.
But it it comes up with theimportance of understanding the
application.
Whereas I think you know, adeveloper wants to type code,
and I think a functionalconsultant doesn't know how to,
so they're almost limited tookay, well, how can I talk with

(12:25):
the AI agent uh to create theapplication?
So I think.

SPEAKER_01 (12:32):
Yeah, so I I don't know if you have attended any of
the you know Viecko, probably.
Yes.
I mean he has interesting takeson on that topic, and I kinda
can identify with some likeyeah, so the consultants or
function consultants may haveeven more insights into how the
app works, so they might even insome instances produce better

(12:54):
code, right?
By using AI.
Perhaps uh but actually uh ththose developers that have
future are the ones thatcurrently have experience and
can basically um utilize AIproperly, so to say.
Where uh whereas I wouldprobably compare um functional

(13:14):
consultants with juniordeveloper, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 (13:18):
So I think I think there are some challenges that
are yet to be overcame overcome.

SPEAKER_01 (13:33):
They will definitely produce something, but for the
moment I don't see it happening.
Actually, I I think thatpenetration has to happen in
development for a system.
That's how I feel like okay.

SPEAKER_04 (13:44):
And uh I've seen it create some good documentation
and such as well.
And you know, all thosedevelopers are technical dudes
like us, documentation isusually the last thing that
somebody wants to do.
And also, I think you reallyneed to understand the workflow

(14:04):
of what you're doing and then beable to do small prompts, right?
It's very difficult to say youcan do it, uh, and I've gone
through some exercise of okay,create me something that does
this, this, this, and this.
But it's almost better to startwith the prompting of here's
sort of a background, and thenexactly yeah, step one is to do
this, uh, and step two is to dothis, and step three is to do

(14:28):
this, so it's like smaller stepsinstead of expecting it to be um
yeah, actually, uh your good youI mean, good point.

SPEAKER_01 (14:35):
So that's where I expect actually AI to shine for
functional consultants in thefirst step at least, like uh
writing stuff down.
And I think AI is reallyexcellent at that.

SPEAKER_00 (14:47):
I mean, well, yeah, I mean as a function consultant,
a lot of the things that they dois you know build use cases,
document it with you know atechnical design.
Um, you know, so they have aproper structure already.
So if you take those properstructure from a function
consultant, which they do oftenwith a business case or business

(15:08):
process uh in mind, I'm surethey can walk through those
steps and then be able to builda solution.
So they may be a little bitslower in in terms of like uh
understanding and and fullygrasping that, but if but if
they understand the businesscase, business use, uh I'm sure
they can uh you know go throughthe whole thing and vibe code

(15:30):
it.

SPEAKER_01 (15:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, I would definitelysupport and uh so to say the
other side to to try it out andthen let's see what the result
is.

SPEAKER_04 (15:40):
Yeah, no, it's uh it's it's an interesting it's an
interesting world that we're in.
Uh you know, it seems like youcan't go three minutes without
hearing something about AIsomewhere in the world, unless
you have all externalcommunication shut off.
But it's it's yeah, I've beentalking a lot more because
again, it's interesting uh to meto see what you can do with AL.

SPEAKER_00 (16:04):
Is it is it do you think now is it blending the
role?
Because back then, in NAB days,right?
You have a functionalconsultant, they know the
application, and then you handit off to a developer and then
they work together.
Do you feel like uh uh new neweror even you know uh people in
this space for a long time, doyou think their role is starting
to blend where they could doboth?

(16:26):
Maybe complex ones goes to youknow an actual developer.

SPEAKER_01 (16:31):
Um I I I cannot tell for sure, uh, but I feel like AI
can bring us together somehow.
That's how I feel like becausecurrently I I I feel like there
is a lot of um like often thosetwo sides don't understand each
other very well, generallyspeaking.
And I think I mean let's talkabout the normal process.

(16:51):
There is a feature that shouldbe developed, and uh some
functional consultant tries to,you know, has a lot of thoughts
and have it in the head, try toput it on the paper, uh in in
letters.
And I mean, although he mighthave an idea what is actually
should be built, I mean thedeveloper might have no clue
whatsoever by just looking upthe thoughts that the functional

(17:12):
consultant has put in some taskor whatever.
And when I see what AI can dowith that, which is like a pile
of thoughts of functionalconsultants, which has you know
uh a lot of experience, I Ithink it can bring you know
those words much closertogether, generally speaking.
Transferring thoughts to to togetting something faster, I

(17:37):
think uh you hit it perfectly,um, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_04 (17:41):
I think that it is going to force developers to be
more functional and functionalto be more development oriented,
in turn doing exactly what yousaid, bringing everyone
together.
I think it's going to crossthose roles because I think some
of the smaller development tasksare no longer going to be

(18:02):
necessary for coding.
It's going to be necessary to beable to understand the
application and how to do itbecause it it's really pretty
good now with adding a feel to apage.
It's really good at goingthrough and updating tooltips,
it's really good at doing a lotof those what I call minor
things that are nuisances in asense for someone to do in

(18:24):
development, even creating anAPI page, right?
You can say, here's the table,creating an API page for this.
And I've done that recently forseveral of those.
And it does a really good job ofthat.
So, from a point of view of thedeveloper, it's going to cut out
a lot of that.
So then you're going to have tohave some of understanding the
application and how to prompt itto do that.

(18:46):
And then I think from a functionconsultant, it's going to be the
same way.
How do you communicate this toan AI or a developer to be able
to instruct them on what to doin the detail that you need to
do it?
So your point of bringingeverybody together, it's going
to bring everyone together towhere I think you're going to
have a lot of crossing.
Uh, and it's going to beimportant to have a crossing,
and it's um the rules willchange.

SPEAKER_01 (19:08):
I certainly hope for that.
Because as a developer, I seethat there are developers
lacking functional knowledge,and and I see that AI could jump
in basically.

SPEAKER_04 (19:19):
That's good.
Have you done what what type ofexperimenting have you done with
it?
Have you done much?

SPEAKER_01 (19:25):
Well, I was thinking about what can I share in this
podcast, and I realized that Ibasically nowadays I use it like
every day.
It doesn't, I mean, it it's it'sit has become a part of my uh
you know uh uh routine, dailyroutine actually.
I mean it yeah, just I mean,like really the stupid stuff
stuff that I don't know, I justdon't Google any longer almost.

(19:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (19:51):
And that's why we're going to have ads and AI
responses, because I had aconversation with someone this
morning about that same thing aswho uses search engines anymore?
just ask AI.

SPEAKER_01 (20:01):
Exactly.
That that's what happened to meat least in I mean like in in
last month.
And in development also, right?
Uh I I'm even trying to pushmyself to explore more because I
think I'm I'm not in the let'ssay leading the pack.
I'm just learning so to say andI learn every day about how to

(20:22):
put it to the purpose.

SPEAKER_04 (20:27):
And from the scope of AAL do you do see it
facilitates any of yourdevelopment now?

SPEAKER_01 (20:34):
Yeah yeah yeah so I mean like autocomplete is like
there's I I would probably crytomorrow if it would go away for
whatever reason.
And yeah developments I think inthe new future have more chances
to utilize it better rather thanmaintaining the base up or
something like that.

(20:55):
So the context is important Iwould say so I'm still switching
between do I put the effort toput the context to AI or I do it
by myself.

SPEAKER_04 (21:06):
So that that's still a challenge I would say it is it
is because it's it's tough andthat's where I'm saying is it
you know the development forusing AI versus a functional
consultant use an A because thedeveloper is going to do similar
to what you had said.
Is it more difficult or moretime consuming for me to type

(21:27):
the context or to type thefields in the page and and put
it together and then have toreview it and do it.
So it's it's it's an interestingworld that we're in and it's
moving fast.
And do I want to fast forward acouple years?
No.
But I almost would like to in asense just to see what where we
all are and uh what space we'rein because uh I've been having a

(21:51):
lot of fun with it and getting alot of practical use out of it
as well.
And I'm almost uh I don't wantto say afraid I'm almost uh
curious curiously uh um yeahawaiting to see where we end up
we should touch up on that alsolike I I also feel that there is
kind of uh uh fear for I don'tknow from certain um population

(22:16):
but I don't fear feel it to behonest I'm I'm also like you
like hoping to see what comesnext right so I don't have a
fear that it will replace me Idon't know I I cannot explain it
I just feel like let's do it andtry to put it to use no
absolutely well I like I said Ithink I do believe that it won't
replace like AI is not going toreplace people I think uh it

(22:38):
will have new opportunities butI think people using AI will
replace people because I thinkin some cases you will become a
little bit more efficient and beable to do uh a better job to
for lack of better terms.
Again everything has to bereviewed I'm not saying it's
going to hit everything 100% ofthe time and I'm not one of
those skeptics that looks foreverything that AI faults don't
get me wrong.
One thing I learned in codingwith AI is I commit every

(23:01):
change.
Why?
Because I I need to roll backbecause it will go off um I I
was vibe coding something elsejust as an experiment with uh
some of the tools that I use andit went totally out into left
field and started modifyingthings totally outside of the
context of what I wanted it tomodify.
So thankfully I was able to rollback to you know a previous

(23:22):
commit.
So that's uh I like I said Idon't want to say it's 100%
perfect all the time but theneither are people so uh we just
have to to learn to accept it.
So uh you do quite a bit it'sit's I have so many things I
want to talk with you about uhthe AI topic again it's it's
it's interesting to me but theother part is um uh recently

(23:45):
well it seems again when you getto my age a day a year seems
like you know they all seem likeyesterday um subscription
billing was added to businesscentral recently a couple
versions ago I think a couplewaves ago right two or three
waves ago October last year yeahyeah yeah two waves ago right

(24:07):
because we had yeah this isOctober April third wave yeah
three waves ago so uh about ayear ago it was added and uh
rumor has it you know a littlebit about subscription building
yeah so that's true the rumorsare true uh so the the the C
Hammer was the company that umuh they say licensed uh this app

(24:29):
for Microsoft because Microsoftat some point of time figured
they have um um you knowsomething that is kind of
missing and I think theybasically explored a bit uh
what's there on the market so Idon't know the the details but
uh at the end it ended up uhchoosing uh the solution that

(24:51):
was belonging to the productfamily called Dice actually and
I was the one that was kind ofin charge of transferring this
IP from CHAMER to Microsoft andalong the way um there were some
technical uh stuff that had tobe improved because I mean

(25:13):
you're taking over the the thethe partner IP partner code
which might not be hundredpercent aligned with with uh
coding side uh standards andwhatever for Microsoft so I was
kind of um yeah supporting thatpath of transferring the IP to
Microsoft so I was not the theone that developed the whole

(25:36):
stuff uh I did I was involvedwith certain parts to some
extent uh but basically yeahthat's this full story kind of
so so with that that it it seemsthat there's been a few portions
of the application that theyhave um licensed from other

(25:59):
parties um yep and it's you knowsome of that stuff is not you
know it's not a secret so youknow subscription billing was
one of them that again waslicensed from an organization
you work with I have somequestions on that uh it and I
don't if uh whatever you cantalk about I'm not certain what
you can and can't talk about butso you said you worked in the
process to transition it fromyour organization over to

(26:22):
Microsoft uh so that it waswithin the base application.
Do you do the coding in thatprocess or do you do you work
with the engineers or thetechnical dudes at Microsoft and
then they enhance the code.
How does that relationship inthat process work?

SPEAKER_01 (26:39):
Yeah so uh yeah i it has multiple aspects uh or uh so
you do the code along the waythat's for sure because there
were simply stuff that were werenot aligned and uh when
Microsoft acquires some thirdparty solution they also have
something called work for hirefor a while meaning that they

(27:04):
count on the fact that you arethe one that the company they
have purchased from is the mostfamiliar with with actually
what's in there and canbasically uh they are the the
ones that can do the changes thefastest uh compared to them um
so I would say initially thatwas done mostly by CHAMER most

(27:24):
of the changes uh nowadays it'sstarting to shift to Microsoft
and we're hoping to kinda um umput it in in uh or let's say um
bring it to that state thatMicrosoft can maintain it by
themselves completely we're notthere yet so we are still uh
involved in uh delivering fixesand some futures however the the

(27:50):
the amount of work we are doingright now is getting lower and I
guess I don't know but I guessthat's probably something they
they normally do with otherletters also.

SPEAKER_04 (28:03):
Yeah I I assume it takes makes sense and I
understand what you're sayingfor your team to work with the
application for a certain periodof time while it's being brought
into the application because youunderstand the application
understand how the applicationworks and then that gives the
internal team the opportunity tolearn the application and

(28:27):
understand how it works so thatthen they can maintain it and
keep it within the realm oftheir workflow and their future
for uh future plans uh for theapplication as well um how long
did that process take totransition it from your your

(28:48):
code base in a sense intoMicrosoft is that something
that's lengthy or is thatsomething that gets done rather
quickly and again I'm nottalking about the whole I'm
talking about what's the pointthat you already knew you know
that it was already known thatthe application was going to
move the the whole other youknow process I don't have any
interest in I'm just interestedin knowing the process from the
technical aspect of it.

SPEAKER_01 (29:09):
Yeah so I think I think uh the talks started
somewhere around 2023 when theMicrosoft's uh end of 2023 when
they started looking around uhwe were passing some procedures
that they have when they areacquiring third party uh IP and
that happened somewhere in MarchApril 2024 and when they said

(29:35):
okay we are buying it thathappened somewhere in June July
I don't know something like thatand then in October it went into
release uh but the work is Imean I wouldn't I mean the
question is where you drew thedraw the line when do you say it
has been uh transferred so if Iwould I would have I would have
to answer that question I wouldsay probably April this year it

(29:58):
came to a form when it's kind ofuh aligned with a lot of stuff
Microsoft is doing like demodataand everything but but it was
released in the October lastyear and then it's we had some
um additional work to do inorder to align it more I see

(30:21):
that's not too that's not toolong that sounds pretty fast.

SPEAKER_04 (30:24):
It's not I thought it was a I honestly thought the
process would be uh a littlemore lengthy or it'd be a
lengthier process to welltransition but you're saying
yeah moving fast that's for sureI laugh because you say they're
going fast.
They are going fast.

(30:44):
It seems like every day I learnsomething new about the
application that a feature thatwas just added maybe overnight
or something.
I I say that in jest but it itthe application is evolving so
quickly.

SPEAKER_01 (30:55):
But what's obvious they try to to I mean they they
try to identify the gaps and tofill them in that's how I
interpret it right now.
So um so with the subscriptionbilling application as well uh
so is Microsoft handling all thesupport or are they still

(31:17):
sending some of the support overto you uh they're taking it on
their own uh they are they aretaking some of them to on their
own and some of them uh arepassed to us still uh I mean
that's that's probably obviouswhen you look at the uh repo
it's now in the on the BC appsrepo so that can be checked uh
and I think I feel like it'sstill uh I wouldn't say a lot

(31:40):
but quite a few stuff are in inthe pipeline so to say and I
expect it to reduce some in thisyear and I and they are still I
mean they are also uh havingtheir own support channels and
sometimes they resolved it bythemselves and sometimes we do.
Yeah but I'd say when I when itcomes to something which so
there are also circle ofknowledge is kind of stuff you

(32:02):
know not only Microsoft in allcompanies they have the the
stuff that they know better thanthe others and I would say the
subscription billing is notsomething that's really nowadays
widespread for example acrossthe Microsoft so we still get uh
uh fix some stuff at the sameand I'm I'm not sure when this

(32:24):
will end we hope that this willhappen I don't know end of this
year or next year um but we'restill working together with
Microsoft.
No it's good that they'reworking together uh a few more
questions on this uh so whatabout the existing customers
that you had did you have to doa migration for them from yeah
yeah yeah yeah so I don't knowif you have followed up the

(32:46):
story about the subscriptionbilling but it wasn't extensible
up until uh April in the firstrelease in the the the very
first release was not extensibleI saw a lot of chatter about
that because everybody likes tomake changes we couldn't we
couldn't migrate them uh likeall of our customers not all but
like I would I think most ofthem right now have received an

(33:06):
information that uh we plan toswitch them to the uh Microsoft
subscription billing becauseit's also in their interest
because currently they pay forour app still and yeah
subscription billing forMicrosoft is kind of free for
them.
We have invested um quite a fewtime in migration routines
because the apps um that are nowa part of Microsoft are actually

(33:28):
not identical to what we had youknow they have changed they have
evolved um they might even havesome other features which are
not completely the same so wehad to write the the the the
code that does that with thehope that it should be an
effortless migration and I canonly say that some of our
customers started this processas far as I know nobody is

(33:50):
completely switched.

SPEAKER_04 (33:52):
We have of course the customers that are starting
with Microsoft billing alreadybut the migration wave is still
about to start and be finished Iguess in the next year 2026
that's the goal so to say thatall of them have switched and
and the problem is of course uhI mean the problem uh um the

(34:15):
current state is that you knowin this dependency Hammer has
its own family of apps uh whichis called DICE and it has uh
roughly 20 apps and they're allentangled somehow right so
imagine that we had to isolatethose two apps which uh were
called subscription billing andusage based billing to pull them
out right in the middle of thedependency tree uh give it to

(34:37):
Microsoft and now try tointegrate all of the remaining
eight in with uh what Microsofthas so it was quite a challenge
so that's that sounds like achallenge yep but ongoing no no
it's uh you get the I meansometimes those slow changes are
good I mean Microsoft itselfwhen I work with the
applications they do a good jobof moving slowly in some areas

(35:00):
to to to much much chat orsometimes to allow you to
migrate some of those customersuh we're talking about the
subscription billing and you youmentioned usage billing uh what
is a quick overview of thesubscription billing portion of
it I think uh I jumped rightinto the questions yeah I should
have started off with what it isand what you can do with it but
uh there was a little assumptionof me I mean that again I'm the

(35:21):
technical guy so I I care moreabout that stuff but uh what is
the subscription billing featureand what can you do with that
subscription billing?
It's basically uh a new modulethat enables to manage I hope
any kind of subscription billinginside of Business Central it
probably cannot cover everyeverything out of the box but

(35:44):
that is the idea uh and uh thatmeans it provides the new
entities inside of businesscentral like subscription header
lines uh contracts uh and theframework for managing uh
billing hopefully effortlessly Imean without effort and so
Chammer has done it for quite awhile uh and uh CHammer has

(36:08):
focused on IT industry companiesin general uh and uh quite a few
of those customers were havinglike a huge amount of contracts
and everything so mass dataprocessing was kind of an
imperative and when we come tothe usage-based dealing that's a
scenario where you have somebodylike companion or Microsoft uh

(36:29):
giving you the usage data on avendor side right and you want
to import it in your system andsay okay based on what you have
gave me like Microsoft andcompanion I'll build my
customers so that's user-baseddata so if you you do not have
to use it you can work uhwithout usage based billing data
processing just by manuallyentering everything in the

(36:51):
system but as I said CHAMR has apool of these customers that uh
you know have I know thousandsof contracts or thousands of
tier customers or even workingwith government and they have
simply the need to to you knowprocess thousands of lines so
when we're talking about asubscription you're talking that
if I have a monthly invoice forservices or I have a monthly

(37:15):
invoice for something it allowsyou to set it up in the system
and then those subscriptioninvoices would be created
periodically at certainintervals correct yeah exactly I
mean most normal period ismonthly period like that's most
widespread uh system so youbasically set it up I mean uh

(37:37):
mobile I don't know um TV cablewhatever and then you set up uh
these periods and monthly youcan issue you have a worksheet
that generates um uh uh invoicesfor I don't know how which you
know how many customers youmight have or customer uh
contracts and that's the pointyeah and then the usage based

(38:00):
billing is the consumption so soyou had mentioned like from
Microsoft a companion so ifyou're dealing with other
services so if it's a disk spaceyou know that may be variable
where you charge per uh you knowgigabyte per megabyte per
kilobyte whatever the you knowwhatever they're going to charge
you at yeah and then you getthat monthly based upon usage

(38:20):
and then you could tie that intoyour own usage based system as
well if you had another metricfor for uh consuming usage as
well yeah yeah yeah so youbasically import it and based on
that you uh create um uh imageson sale side and you can also
connect it with the purchaseimages that you get from
companion Microsoft I like thatthat's um yeah so uh that's not

(38:46):
the only I mean there are alsothird parties you probably know
that right that also do similarjobs yes and to be honest some
of them have their own strengthsand uh I would say subscription
beneath Microsoft has his ownstrength but the the I mean when
you have something standard uhin in Microsoft uh business
central it's kinda appealing totake it because you don't have

(39:09):
to pay for it I guess absolutelyit is appealing if um it's
within the base product becauseof a couple of reasons one it's
going to it continues to evolvewith the base product much
easier and if it doesn't doexactly what you need now that
there's extensibility in it umyou know as you'd mention at

(39:31):
first it wasn't extensibilitywhich a lot of people had some
questions on but I alsounderstand the delay on it as
well uh sometimes I think somechatters just because it's
easier to chat at just likesaying AI is wrong instead of
saying okay what what about theAI is right?
Uh let's focus on the what iswrong of it just uh I think
that's human nature.

(39:52):
But I think it's a little biteasier because then you get
additional features for you knowadditional Features and
functions within theapplication.
You have the migration paththat's much easier.
I mean, anyone who has an app,again, in the app source, they
usually stick with the sameprocess.
But I can see benefits to both.

(40:14):
But it is.
Again, it's uh I tell everyone,no one will ever be the only one
at anything because if somebodyhas a good idea, you bet that
somebody else is going to try todo the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 (40:24):
Competition's good.

SPEAKER_04 (40:25):
It is.
I think competition's good.
Competition's important.
And um, you know, noteverything's for everybody.
It's uh that's why they havemany different types of motor
vehicles that you can purchase.
Uh there's something foreverybody, right?
They all have different featuresthat appeal to to other people.
So or other uh geez.
I think everybody knows what Imean when I said that.

(40:48):
It's my face and so no, that'sgood.
That's interesting.
So, what other great things haveyou been doing?
You do quite a bit.
It's very difficult to um yeah,you know, to to to hammer in on
a number of things that you do.
Um you had uh gone to AMIArecently as well, correct?

SPEAKER_01 (41:05):
Yep, yep.
So I went to Posnan.
Um I presented a session aboutum 15 AI features nowadays that
are present in Business Central.
So uh other than that, I I wasrecently uh doing something in
regards to the German uhe-documents connector, not

(41:28):
relevant for you guys from US.

SPEAKER_04 (41:30):
Yeah, we uh we still we still put stuff in the mail
and we still have checks.
I don't understand for the lifeof me why the United States
still does that.
I I I can't even think of areason other than trying to make
somebody somewhere makes moneyon it.
That's all I have to tell youbecause checks if yes, somebody

(41:54):
somewhere is making money onchecks because I can't think of
another reason for it.
Although I can't tell you howmany checks I write in a year.
I think I have written one checkin the past two years.

SPEAKER_00 (42:04):
Brad, there's one thing that uh I had to do
actually recently where I hadsomeone come out and and and
service my pellet stove, and uhit's like and I was ready to you
know take my iPhone and pay thisguy.
It's like no, we just takechecks.
Like, how about cash?
Don't even take cash, check.
I'm like, what?
I don't have my checkbook.

SPEAKER_04 (42:26):
I don't know who does that.
I receive more checks than Iright.
Thankfully, when I have servicehere, it's either cash in a case
of corona, or um or it's uh likeum you know, most technicians
now will have a mobile devicethat has you know a touch on it
that you can do.
So we get we're getting more andmore, but a lot of people still

(42:48):
use checks.
You said 15 features, 15 A.
So what caught me on thatsession, right?
This is why I wanted to go tothis, and there's a reason why
I'm gonna go to this.
Is um can you give me a quickrundown of the 15 AI features in
Business Central?

SPEAKER_01 (43:00):
Well, out of the head.
So they're like um even the onesyou remember.
I I listen, I can't rememberthem all either, but there are
those four built around uh itemslike um um the marketing text
for start.
I mean, before that there was uhlike image recognition that's
not that well famous one.
Then uh there is you know itemsubstitutes, uh you also have

(43:22):
suggest sales lines, then thereis um e-documents matching, bank
reconciliation before that.
You have the summary in the inthe cards, then you have the
chat, uh, analysis, analyze, andactually the ones that I uh for
the ones that I like the most orI have highest hope for are the

(43:45):
agents and not the sales uhagent, which is also pretty fine
for some uh I would say businessmodels.
But I think the I really havehigh hopes of payables agent
generally speaking, because Itried it and um for SMB, which
the business central is meantfor, I think it has a good
perspective.

(44:06):
So I just um before beforepreparing this session, I just
threw you know the the somerandom invoice I had, and I was
like, let's see whether itrecognized anything.
And I was like, wow, like youknow, I I got something on an
email which is a PDF, and I getit posted in in like without any
data exchange definition orwhatsoever.

SPEAKER_00 (44:27):
Yeah, I think I think you're right, the payables
agent is maybe underrated interms of usage because in many
cases you deal with almost thesame vendors every time, and so
it's easier for it to learn ofthe type of invoices that you
will receive uh via email, uh,versus you know, versus the

(44:49):
sales agent, which is you canhave a ton more random invoices
or orders, uh order information,but the payables agent I think
it's a great fit for a lot oforganizations that I mean
everybody handles with a vendor,right?
So yeah, you're right.
I it's a great call out on thepayables agent.

SPEAKER_01 (45:08):
Yeah, it it's still not uh it's still in preview,
however.
They are trying to push it tothe you know, red uh RTM.
How would you say that?
So basically to be publiclyavailable, uh not in preview
mode any longer.
And I'm looking forward to.
I mean, there are some I I thinkwhy they are trying to to I mean
that's what they said, that whythey are trying to uh put it in

(45:31):
public as soon as possiblebecause they're hoping for the
feedback, what should beimproved.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (45:39):
That is a key, and I say this to everybody.
It's important to get somethingout there because you get the
feedback.
It's almost like if you write,if you tell somebody, okay, give
me your ideas of what featuresand functionality.
I could just picture theconversation because we could
have it here.
Give me some ideas for uhpurchase and payables agent.
And everybody would just bequiet.

(46:02):
Why doesn't it do that?
So it is good to get somethingout there, and then also you
know what to invest your time inas well, because if if you don't
have feedback for usage orfeatures, you could delay or
take time because you're doingsomething and you may have this
big portion of it that you thinkextremely important, because
everything's a good idea.
And this is just for anydevelopment cycle, not just the
purchase and payable agent I'musing as an example.

(46:23):
You could spend weeks on afeature that nobody ever even
uses, and then you may bemissing a feature, you may be
missing a feature that'sextremely important.
So that feedback um is importanton there as well.

SPEAKER_01 (46:34):
The thing is, I was like uh before the these AI
ages, so to say, I was wonderinghow to you know get a PDF from
email process, and either youwould you would reach out to
Power Automate or or I meanthere is also functionality that
you can call from Outlook, notsure if you're aware of it.
Uh it's it's uh so it's it'sit's uh add-on for uh add-in for

(46:58):
for Outlook so that you can alsoprocess PDF documents and put
them in in inbound uh incomingdocuments and it worked, but I
think this is another level.
I really hope it will be anotherlevel.
And it looks like it's itpromises a lot, I would say.

SPEAKER_00 (47:16):
Yeah, I wonder I wonder if for all the people
that have ever used uh powerautomate to do that will still
will eventually switch and justuse the power uh payables agent.

SPEAKER_01 (47:26):
Yeah, I don't know.
We'll see.
Yeah, I will see you know theother agents are also coming, so
they might you know some newworld of agents.
Do you name your compile agent?
Sorry?
Do you name your agents?
Do I name my agents?
Like you my like personal nameor what?

SPEAKER_04 (47:46):
No, no, when you're working with an agent, right?
Do you name them?
Like my no, the AI agents.
When do you name them whenthey're doing work?
Oh I started talking line.
I I I have better conversationswith my agents than I do with
people sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 (48:00):
Yeah, they're if you tell them what's their name,
they will remember it.
I know that for sure.
So I haven't told them theirname.

SPEAKER_00 (48:07):
I just you give it you're giving them their name.
The moment you give them theirname, they be you know they
become a little bit morepersonable, right?
Right?

SPEAKER_04 (48:16):
I'm doing that.
In my uh I'm going to have agood agent file, and I'm going
to say your name is goingforward.

SPEAKER_01 (48:24):
And it goes to the to the agent memory.
So mine, for example, for the II use like all bunch of them, I
tried them all.
But the GPT one, uh, the dog, mydaughter give gave him the name,
and it's cous crew.
That's the current name of myagent.
And he also responds like that,like I'm cous crew, and I'll
deliver you the answer.
So try it out.

SPEAKER_04 (48:47):
That's it.
As soon as we're done with this,I'm going to set up and I'll
have multiple agents dependingupon how I feel.
Give them who I want to talkwith.
Um lingering question I have, Ijust throw this out there for
conversation.
And I was thinking about it onmy run the other day.
Thankfully, I've been able torun again.
And with all of these agentsdoing all of this work, what is

(49:14):
that going to do to licensing?
Because the agents are going tobe able to do work of users.
Licensing today is based on usersubscriptions.
I know you can pay by usage withthe agents, right?
That's how the whole the premiseis going to be that um there's
going to be a fee for the use ofthe agents.

(49:38):
But I think there's going to bea big shift from user licenses
to how this these agents aregoing to be licensed.
So I'm I'm curious to see howthat licensing model works out
and how you charge for it.
Again, I'm just throwing thatout there.
I'm not suggesting or askinganybody uh what their answer is.
But what do you what are yourthoughts on that?

SPEAKER_01 (49:58):
Well, I would I would simply, I mean, I would
suggest anybody who wants to tryit out, uh, because you know
when you get a business centraltenant, you get a small amount
that you can use, like a coupleof processes, and then you're
done for agents.
The agents are the only onesthat are built right now by
Microsoft.
So I would just say, I mean,that would be my suggestion if

(50:19):
you're not you want to try itout and to try to use it in real
life, go with the pay as you gouh subscription, uh connect it
to your environment, and youknow, check out how much it
consumes.

SPEAKER_04 (50:31):
So and put a budget on it.

SPEAKER_01 (50:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (50:36):
The most important thing you can do is put a budget
on it because I mean let's let'stalk about as an example for
payables agents.

SPEAKER_01 (50:46):
I don't feel like I mean it depends on the on the
company size, of course, butlike that's like a handful of
people doing that.
And um it also depends on thevolume of the purchasing wage
that you might get.
But I think anything like doubleor three-figure sceneways
shouldn't be that much pain uhcost-wise, and the people would

(51:06):
be happy with the result andresult, hopefully.

SPEAKER_04 (51:11):
I would say it's I mean that's it's it's that's all
the new stuff this year.
So uh, you know, the agents.
Um Chris, you mentioned co-pilotagent.
I think I heard you say.

SPEAKER_00 (51:20):
Yeah, co-pilot agent, right?
So like you know, being able toyou know add that as part of
your uh you know businessdecision of creating sort of
your own agent that interactswith Business Central.
Um uh because I I think that'swhere it's going.
I mean they're they're you knowMicrosoft's pushing that very,

(51:40):
very hard.
And I'm sure it's not a secretabout the MCP servers, you know,
and and and I know AJ has donethis and I've I've dabbled it
you know for quite some time isinteracting with the MCP server
for Business Central withCopilot, build a full solution
in like five minutes, five, tenminutes, and then and then also

(52:03):
calling email, you know.
Uh you you had mentioned aboutinteracting with Outlook and be
able to do more than that isjust a few prompts and
connecting it and nothing else,you know.
It's pretty straightforward.
So the the ability for for foryou to create an agent for a
specific use case that'srepeatable and then have it

(52:27):
interact with all the differentapplications that you have, not
just Business Central, um, butyou can also create a record in
Business Central and fullyinteract with it, and then at
the same time connect it withthe other Microsoft uh
applications and beyond as ahuge benefit for the SMB space

(52:47):
that don't quite have you knowthe budget of enterprise level.
So if you look at it from thatperspective, it helps it helps
it create a level playing fieldfor for their growth.

SPEAKER_01 (53:01):
Yeah, I think however, I mean we're talking
about the copilot studio ingeneral, right?
Yeah, copilot studio in general.
Yeah, yeah, I think we're yet tosee what the application will be
because I I have a feeling,that's my feeling currently,
that uh it's not that widespreadyet.
I mean, talking about thebusiness central, people mostly
stay inside the businesscentral, and copilot studio

(53:22):
means you building an agentwhich is attached to I don't
know, website um um or someother channels.
And I'm I'm curious to see, andI'm MCP is also is it in preview
already or not?
I'm not sure.
I think it is preview, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (53:38):
It is in preview and it's in 27.2, I believe.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, 27.2.
Yeah, so 27.2 you can uh workwith it.

SPEAKER_01 (53:46):
Yeah, so I think uh yeah, let's see next year what
will happen.
Because I'm interested to seeuse cases actually.
Yeah, that's what I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_00 (53:56):
It's use use case.
The adoption is usually gonna betough because you're trying to
find where in your businesswould this fit, right?
Uh and in using in using thatand kind of a day-to-day.
So adoption is gonna be a littlebit interesting where people are
gonna be using it for sure.

SPEAKER_01 (54:12):
Yeah, if we if we don't know, I am sure AJ will
know.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:18):
I mean, even for you had mentioned about the uh
computer use uh agent, where itlooks at the screen of your
computer and it will just readthe context of your screen.
So I think that's why it'simportant for for that use when
you have tooltips on yourbusiness application.
Uh so you no longer need a trueAPI.

(54:39):
That's what the computer useagent does, is that there's no
API needed, it just looks at thecontext of what you have on your
computer.
So if you if you design anapplication in Business Central,
you have very good tooltips,it's going to understand that
context in the screen, interactinteract with it.

SPEAKER_04 (54:57):
Do you know I remember when the modem, you
know, when I could buy a 1200,2400 bud modem, and that was a
big thing, and I had CompuServeemail.

SPEAKER_00 (55:04):
CompuServe.

SPEAKER_04 (55:06):
And I remember when the cell phone was created.
I really want to go back tothose times.
I I think uh simple times.
You know, I'm listening to youboth talk about all this, and
I'm just like, wow, it's um it'sit's just uh you know, those

(55:26):
those movies back from the 60sand 70s talking about the you
know the futuristic spacefuture.
Uh-huh.
We weren't too far off.

SPEAKER_01 (55:34):
Yeah, yeah.
So I start I had a like um afeeling like I'm not sure where
the future comes, right?
And I wasn't sure about whetherit's good or bad for me.
But right now I have a feelingit cannot pass by me, it's me
like ignoring it, right?
So it's going to hit everybody,actually.

SPEAKER_04 (55:53):
Yeah, whether you're yes, it's it's yes, you you said
that well.
It's um uh it's not going away.
It's uh it's it's it's a goodtime to take a look at uh what's
available.
Again, you don't have to rush,you don't have to use it just to
use it.
Uh as you talked about like theuse cases, come up with
practical use cases.

(56:14):
I know with myself, I had tostart small, like very small,
simple things, not create anapplication.
And I'm not even talking justdevelopment, I'm talking because
you had mentioned you use itwith your daughter and in
ChatGPT and talking with themabout stuff.
But I started very, very small.

(56:35):
And now I have a betterunderstanding of it and I can
know where to apply it.

SPEAKER_00 (56:41):
In in generality, though, I think people don't
realize indirectly they'realready interacting with AI.
I mean, we mentioned that Idon't Google anymore.
Uh you're right.
I I still go to google.com toGoogle stuff, but it summarizes
for me.
And and then you can turn itinto AI mode, which you have a
full chat.

(57:02):
You really don't have to Googleand search which the first, you
know, the first thing that comesup on the list of among
different links, it justsummarizes it for you, saves you
time.

SPEAKER_04 (57:12):
I remember when that was invented, by the way.
Search engines.
You know, search engines used tobe pretty much manual where
people had links and pages, andthese are the sites.
Like uh, I'm telling you, mypoor brain has gone through a
lot.
Uh but to your point, Chris.
See, I think of all these thingsnow.
It's um, I don't know, maybethat's a sign of being old.

(57:33):
You saw it reminiscing.
I think everybody uses AI a lotmore than they think, like you
said.
It's not just in the searchending, but even like customer
support.
I saw a statistic on one largesoftware company, and it really
stuck out that they get like 30.
It's a large software company,enterprise software company, and
it's not Microsoft with BusinessCentral.

(57:54):
They saw this uh statistic.
It was one of the other ones.
They had 35,000 supportrequests, of which 30,000 were
answered by AI.
5,000 required a human.
That's impressive.

SPEAKER_00 (58:06):
That is impressive.
That's probably them asking fora human at that point, right?
It's like, ah, I understand thisis AI.

SPEAKER_04 (58:13):
Uh or whatever, you went through it.
Or again, it might have been,you know, speak to a person or
something, but this is the worldwe're in where I bet you a lot
of your customer support typerequests are handled by AI.

SPEAKER_00 (58:24):
I I I will say, just to go back into the enterprise
level in our space, um uh I didI did have a conversation with
uh two individuals that aresimilar industry, they're tech
guys like us, but they're in adifferent world.
One worked in Amazon and theother one works at Oracle.
And so we were having aconversation about AI and using

(58:48):
AI as kind of a day-to-dayroutine.
And surprisingly, surprisingly,the two of them said that I
haven't really dabbled into itas my day-to-day.
So it's you know, again, I I'mliving in this uh the Microsoft
world where like everything'sthrown to as co-pilot.

(59:09):
Um, they even advertise now, andyou know, I watched watching
Monday Night Football the otherday.
Copilot by Microsoft was uh wasuh marketed, but from hearing it
from two different places, uhthey said, and they're both
technical developers, andthey're like we don't we don't
really we use it, but we don'tit's not part of our daily

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routine.
So that's surprising to me.

SPEAKER_01 (59:37):
Yeah surprising.
So that's uh like a storybetween electrical cars and tuk
tukes in South East Asia, right?
So like you're gonna haveelectric cars across the
developers, but you'll stillhave a lot of tuk tuk.

SPEAKER_04 (59:55):
It'll come, it takes time to adopt and and then
eventually everybody will haveit.
Um Well, thank you so much fortaking the time to speak with us
today.
I could speak with you uh for along time.
We'll have to have you on uhabout some of these other
topics.
There's more topics I wanted totalk with you about.
Um, but we do appreciate youtaking the time you uh spent to
speak with us today because uhany time you spend with us, you

(01:00:15):
can't spend doing somethingelse, and time truly is the
currency of life.
So I uh we do appreciate um uhyou and all that you do, and you
do some great things as well.
Um if anyone would like to havesome more information about um
you know subscription billing,about AI with Business Central
or any other the great thingsthat you do, what's the best way
to get in contact with you?

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:35):
Well, I would say maybe email.
I don't know.
I haven't thought about that, souh will you put the email
somewhere?
Or I don't know how to yes, yes.
Maybe even better idea is ourblog, so there is a contact
form.
I have a blog, like it's MilianRS, uh point RS, so just drop me
a line and I'll respond.

(01:00:57):
If you have my email or Teams,you can also reach me out or
public repos for Microsoft,whatever.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:04):
Excellent action.
Thank you, Milan.
And uh we'll put uh your contactinformation within the show
notes of this.
And uh we look forward tospeaking with you soon, and
hopefully I get to see you atone of the upcoming events.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:15):
Yeah, hopefully I had fun.
Thank you guys for your time.
No, thank you very much.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:18):
I'll talk with you again soon.
Chao ciao, bye.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:20):
Bye bye.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:23):
Thank you, Chris, for your time for another
episode of In the DynamicsCorner Chair, and thank you to
our guests for participating.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:30):
Thank you, Brad, for your time.
It is a wonderful episode ofDynamics Corner Chair.
I would also like to thank ourguests for join joining us.
Thank you for all of ourlisteners tuning in as well.
You can find Brad atdeveloperlife.com.
That is D V L P R L I F E dotcom.

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You can also find me atmattalino.io, m-a-t-a-l-in-o.io,
and my Twitter handle isMattalino 16.
And see you can see those linksdown below in the show notes.

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Again, thank you everyone, thankyou, and take care.