July 30, 2025 • 28 mins
Addiction's grip extends far beyond the individual, creating ripple effects that reshape entire family systems. Whether hidden behind closed doors or normalized as "just what they do," these patterns leave lasting impressions on everyone involved.
In this deeply personal episode, Chrisy and Kerry explore their contrasting childhood experiences with family addiction. The conversation takes an unexpected turn when they address controversy around their podcast name. After being told that "Dysfunction Junkies" might offend people with substance use disorders, they consulted individuals in recovery who actually appreciated their approach. This opens a fascinating discussion about language, intention, and reclaiming terms to make sense of difficult experiences.
Their message resonates clearly: whether you're struggling personally or supporting someone who is, breaking the cycle of silence and normalization creates space for healing. Don't wait—reach out for help today.
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DJ Nick (00:07):
Welcome to the Dysfunction Junkies podcast.
We may not have seen it all, butwe've seen enough.
And now here are your hosts,Chrisy and Kerry
Kerry (00:18):
.
Hello Junkies, hi Chrissy,
Chrisy (00:24):
hi Keri,
Kerry (00:25):
I feel like it's been forever since we've been
together it seems that waydoesn't it.
Chrisy (00:31):
I think we just love each other so much we want to be
together all the time, all thetime.
Kerry (00:36):
Oh my, oh my, oh my.
Well, today's episode we'vekind of dabbled a little bit of
this here and there, but we'regoing to kind of talk about some
.
This is going to be a littlebit of a heavy subject.
Yeah, yeah, kind of good.
Chrisy (00:52):
I know Long pause, he ain't heavy, he's my brother.
Kerry (00:57):
We're going to talk about addictions and disorders and
how that has affected each of usin our own ways growing up, and
you know we understand thatthis is really something that
affects a lot of people.
Whether somebody's battlingwith an addiction or disorder on
their own or you have a familymember or a friend, it does have
a ripple effect.
(01:18):
So today's episode is not meantto all be disrespectful, but
we're just talking about ourexperiences and hopefully, you
know, find a light on how tomove forward.
So Absolutely.
What's your thoughts, Chrisy?
Chrisy (01:31):
Well, I totally agree, addictions and disorders, if
you're not struggling with thempersonally, I mean you still
kind of are.
If you know somebody who isstruggling, it becomes personal
for everybody, I think, involved.
Kerry (01:43):
Yes.
Chrisy (01:44):
It's hard to watch somebody deal with the issues of
an addiction and I think thatactually over the last not last
few years, but many years Ithink there's been a lot more
awareness.
Yes, not just for the personstruggling directly with the
addiction or disorder, but thepeople who are their support
system.
Yes, so there's been more outthere for support for the people
(02:05):
who are their support system.
Yes, so there's been more outthere for support for the people
who have to support.
Kerry (02:10):
Yes, 100%.
And I personally, you know,obviously we all have people
that we know or maybe we have,you know dealing with things
ourselves.
It's hard sometimes because youare trying to be helpful but
you also have to protect yourown space, you have to protect
your own mental health, and youknow it's a struggle.
(02:30):
So when Chrisy, I startedtalking about this, we were
thinking about our childhoods,as we often do, and trying to
dive down the rabbit hole ofwhere did this all start?
And, chrisy, I both realizedthat it really for both of us it
started in the beginningbetween her family normalizing
and my family not talking aboutit.
So I'll go first.
(02:51):
So in my family, gambling thereis an addiction to gambling in
my family and it was.
It was my dad.
I mean, I'll say it becauseI've talked about it before.
You know, my dad's passed awayand it was something that he
struggled with his whole life,but it was something that my
family didn't talk about and itwasn't until the later years
that it was really come to thesurface and it was talked about.
(03:13):
So that was hard, because nowin hindsight, I go back and look
at things and everything makessense and it's like, oh well, if
we would have only talked aboutit, maybe we could have been
more supportive of him, or maybewe could have been more helpful
, or maybe things wouldn't haveprogressed to the level it did
(03:33):
if it wasn't this hush hushunder the rug thing.
It was interesting so, butlittle things like.
I'll remember as a kid I think,when we talked about the I
forget which episode it was.
We talked about how I wantedthat plush puppy, that from the,
from the book thing, and what Iended up did is I ended up
(03:54):
taking some money, and what'sfunny is part of the money that
I took.
When it came up missing, nobodythought to look at the kid
Apparently.
All the blame went to my dad.
Came up missing, nobody thoughtto look at the kid Apparently,
all the blame went to my dad,and you know.
So it was like, oh, but it wasokay, you know, and so, like I
got away with something becausehe was the, he got blamed for it
(04:17):
and he didn't do it.
He got blamed for the moneybeing missing, some of the money
being missing, but it reallyjust wasn't there.
Well, no, I took the.
When it became up missing, mymom just assumed it was my dad.
So you know.
So, like just you wouldn'tthink that you know normally so,
(04:38):
but now in hindsight you knowit's like, oh well, you know, a
little bit of me feels bad thatmy dad got blamed for what I did
, but at the same time well,like if he wouldn't have been
gambling.
And then, just whenever we weregoing through the house and
whenever we sold the house andeverything, I remember we went,
we were going through the atticand things and we would find
(04:59):
coffee cans full of lotterytickets.
Just shoved full.
Chrisy (05:06):
I mean, what was the reasoning, you think, for
keeping them?
Kerry (05:10):
Well, because if you spend so much, there's somehow
you do it with your taxes.
So if you have the receipts,you have the tickets.
I guess if you spend so much,you can actually I don't know
write that off or against yourlosses and your wins.
I don't know for sure.
Are you kidding, not kidding?
Chrisy (05:28):
but I did not know this yeah.
Kerry (05:31):
I think, if you win, somehow that helps you, but I
don't Again, how much do youwant to bet that?
Chrisy (05:36):
people who?
I have a parent that enjoyedlottery and played a lot, and
I'm not speaking of her becauseI have no idea, but I don't
remember her saving anythinglike that.
And I'm sure that hers maybewasn't at the level of your
father, I'm sure it wasn't.
But I mean she enjoyed doing it, but people who probably suffer
(05:59):
with that type of addiction anddo spend a lot of money doing
it yeah.
I would think, because I thinkthe illness causes them to think
they're always going to end upon top.
Kerry (06:08):
Oh, yes, yes, so this is your yeah top.
Chrisy (06:14):
Oh, yes, yes, so this is your.
Yeah, they probably wouldn't.
I don't know how to say this.
They wouldn't claim it Right,because they are probably
thinking they made money Right.
Because I think when they havethat illness they think they're
always on top, but they're notRight, so mentally they probably
don't conceptualize that theyprobably were at a loss.
Kerry (06:31):
Yeah, again, I'm not a tax accountant person or
anything, but there's somewherein my little database of memory
when we, when he did win big atone point, big enough that it
had to be claimed.
I think that's where this cameinto play, because he maybe
didn't have to pay as much tax.
I don't, I don't know, I'm nota tax person and who knows I
(06:52):
could have been fed all this BS.
I don't know I'm not a taxperson and who knows I could
have been fed all this BS.
I don't know.
But all I know is we foundbuckets, we found bags.
I mean, I would I don't evenknow how much money if I would
have added up each ticket,because it was a huge amount,
but they'd be tucked, they werehidden because obviously he was
(07:12):
trying to hide.
This was happening.
So you know, we just cameacross all and it was so sad.
It was just so like, oh my God,the magnitude of the situation,
magnitude of, oh my gosh, ifthat's a dollar ticket, which
they weren't, they were likefive or ten dollar tickets,
right, and you're shoved into acoffee can and shoved into a bag
(07:34):
and shoved into a box, andwe're talking boxes and boxes.
Oh, so it made sense of, well,why partly money was tight
growing up because any littlebit money was trying to, you
know, and that's part of thatcycle.
So, yeah, it was really, it wassomething to.
It was a lot to digest.
I'm sure it was a hard.
Yeah, reality check, yes, yes.
Chrisy (07:56):
Absolutely.
Can you imagine if those cansand bags were filled instead of
lottery tickets?
We were actually, for that wasthe money that was in those cans
and those bags.
Kerry (08:07):
Yes, that would have been our life would have been
different.
My mom's life would have beendifferent.
That would have been.
Our life would have beendifferent, my mom's life would
have been different.
So looking at that is justreally like.
You know, again, that was aaddiction that he had, but it
had the ripple effect on therest of the family and then the
whole behavior.
And then how do you help?
Not enable that, but how do youhelp them?
(08:28):
And you know, that's finallywhere certain healthy boundaries
had to be.
I had to make.
It was like no, you know, Icannot continue to support you
by if you are continuing to dothis, and it's hard, it's really
hard.
Chrisy (08:42):
So, yeah, oh no, definitely.
Well, the one thing I wrotedown while you were talking is
the when we talk about the twoways we were brought up right.
Yours was to not talk aboutright the problems and mine was
to basically normalize it.
Yeah this is what they do.
So if I had that situation youknow to that extent that I was
(09:02):
dealing with personally theywould have been like they like
to do that, yeah that's whatthey do, I mean with my
grandfather, with the drinkingyou talked about, that you know
he drinks, even though he wasn'tworking anymore.
Kerry (09:17):
But it was just.
That's what he does.
Chrisy (09:19):
Yeah, that's, he worked in the mill.
He worked hard, he made sure heprovided for his family.
There was no you know reason toturn that into a demon.
Right it just it is what it is.
Yep, that's what grandpas do,yeah, who work in mills or
anywhere else, I don't know.
(09:39):
I only had the one that myother grandfather was a milkman.
It was for Isley's, this partof the country.
Isley's was a dairy here and avery loved dairy, and my
grandfather my other grandfatherwas an Isley was a dairy here
and a very loved dairy, and mygrandfather, my other
grandfather, was an Isleymilkman and I don't remember if
he had he was really sick prettymuch from what I can remember
(10:04):
growing up and he passed awaywhen I was like eight years old
and he was paralyzed on one sidebecause I think he was a really
bad diabetic.
Oh man, I think he had a stroke,and so my relationship with him
was very different.
So I don't know if he struggledwith anything.
I don't remember really hearinganything, but yeah.
So what I was going to say was,though, ignoring the problem,
(10:24):
yeah, and normalizing theproblem, to me, for both
situations would basically equalno help.
Right, correct, yes, there isno help because there's no
reason to help anybody.
It doesn't exist.
Yep, it's not a problem, or?
that's just normal, right?
You don't get help for that,right?
Why are you wasting people'stime asking for help, right?
It's normal Right.
(10:45):
So I think it's a really badthing on both ends.
Kerry (10:48):
It is on both ends it is.
We need to be somewhere in themiddle and that kind of leads to
one of the things that where Iwas coming to as I got older was
why do I need to tiptoe aroundyour disorder, like, why can't
we talk about this?
Let's talk about this, let'stry to, you know, address it,
let's try to get to the root ofit, let's try to find some help
not only for the person but forthe rest of those that are
(11:15):
around.
You know everybody is involvedin this and that kind of led
into another ripple effect laterin life.
You know other family members,different problems, different,
you know challenges that they'vehad, where I've actually had
someone say to me that they havea problem with the name of our
podcast because we say junkies,because they felt offended
because we use that term and itwas comparing because of people
(11:39):
that have drug issues.
And I was just so taken abackby that because I'm like junkies
can mean so many differentthings and, by all means, chrisy
and I did not mean to offendanybody by using that term, but
so I kind of looked it up in thedictionary a little bit to see
what a junkie is OK and one ofthe definitions and this is what
(12:00):
we were going after was aperson who gets an unusual
amount of pleasure from, or hasan unusual amount of interest in
, something.
And that's to me, ourdefinition of dysfunction
junkies, because we do have anunusual amount of interest in
dysfunction, right, becausewe're so surrounded by it, and I
think a lot of people do,whether they recognize it or not
(12:22):
, right?
And so here, something so simpleas the name of our podcast
caused this big you know.
You know, you, you areoffending, you know, the people
that have drug addictions.
And I'm like, well, first ofall, that's not what it meant.
And then I was told, well, youknow, you're a junkie too and
I'm like, well, as far as adysfunction junkie, yes, I've
(12:45):
not had a drug problem, but yeah, that's kind of the name of the
show because we have, we talk alot about the dysfunctions of
life.
So, yeah, I'll admit that.
So what I did after that was Istarted talking to people that I
know that have drug problems or, you know, battling drug
addictions or differentaddictions, whatever.
And I've asked them.
(13:06):
I'm like, you know, some ofthem had listened to the show
and some had not, but I wouldtell them about what the purpose
of the show was, of them hadlistened to the show and some
had not.
But I would tell them aboutwhat the purpose of the show was
.
And so I just came out andasked, was like, are you
offended by the name of our show?
And but we is, and you knowwhat, I've not had one person
say they were.
I've had more people say, oh mygosh, no.
And one of the people that Iasked is a recovering addict who
(13:29):
now works with addicts andeverything.
And this person was like no,you've made lemonade out of
lemons, you know, like they werejust so.
It kind of made me feel betterBecause I'm like we did not.
You know, we joke around a lot.
We do make light of things, butit was never meant to offend
anyone.
But it goes back to my thoughtof again why can't I use this
(13:51):
word, these words't I use thesewords?
This is my experience.
Chrisy (13:55):
It would be very difficult to well, we're
obviously not the only ones thatcaught on to this word.
I'm not going to promoteanything else unless?
Anybody out there wants topartner up and promote each
other.
But just looking into when wewere going to start this, we did
.
Yes, we definitely are not theonly ones that latched on to
(14:16):
that.
Kerry (14:16):
Right, yes, word Right, and they just put a different
word in front of it yes.
So whether it was, you know,comedy junkies or whatever you
know, yes, there are a lot ofpeople who I do believe also
follow that definition.
Chrisy (14:33):
Yes, and that's what it means to them and what is near
and dear to their heart or thatthey've had experience with.
Yeah, so yeah, that's a toughone.
It is tough, and again, wedon't mean to offend.
I guess when you told me that Iwas a little bit like really.
I mean, you know, because it'sjust and we mean no disrespect
with that word, Right?
(14:53):
I mean, I think in the pastI've heard people use it in a
comical way and I never.
If it was brought up that way,I never felt it was a diss to
anybody struggling withaddiction, Correct?
I just thought it meant youreally like that.
Yes, so much.
Kerry (15:10):
Yes, or you're really affected by it, or you have a
lot of this in your life, or youknow whatever.
Chrisy (15:15):
I could have been called growing up because I was so
into it an Elvis junkie.
Kerry (15:20):
Oh, yes, yeah, I would have said movie, but yes, well,
I am still that you know or?
Chrisy (15:28):
a music junkie, or I love the Beatles, so I'm a
Beatles junkie, or I love theBeatles, so I'm a Beatles junkie
.
I think it just means youreally.
Kerry (15:34):
I mean, there's other things that it can be connected
to it, doesn't?
Chrisy (15:37):
have to be negative.
Kerry (15:38):
No no.
Chrisy (15:39):
And I think it was almost sort of like when you're
really trying to explainsomebody who has an addiction,
disease of some sort like that,which is horrible to struggle
with.
Yes, I almost feel like, if youuse this word that we're using
for sort of fun, yes, I thinkit's almost an insult for
somebody who's truly struggling,yeah, to use that.
(15:59):
Yes, I, just for me.
I think it's more fun to usethe word here yes, where we're
having a good time, yeah, andjust talking about being able to
try and deal with these oddthings, yes, and move on.
You know it's talking moreabout us.
We are not pointing the finger,we're looking at it.
We are the people.
Kerry (16:18):
We are the junkies we are .
We are because we recognizedysfunction and we see it all
around us and we grew up with itand everything.
So, yeah, this is kind ofinteresting and then you know,
now also kind of dealing withsome different things.
So okay, so what otherdisorders?
Chrisy (16:40):
you know like what affected you growing up.
I talked about my dad'sfeelings.
Kerry (16:43):
Well, I mean the drinking with my grandfather.
Chrisy (16:44):
But you know what?
I don't want to sit here andsay it like defined me or even
really affected me that much,because it was normalized.
Kerry (16:54):
Right.
Chrisy (16:54):
And he never really.
He wasn't nice when he drankand he was insulting my
grandmother got the most of it.
I think my dad would sometimesget it when my dad wasn't
present, Right, my grandfatherseemed to be really open to
being insulting about my dad,but I don't remember my dad.
Kerry (17:15):
But you had another disorder.
Chrisy (17:17):
There was another disease that I was witness to.
I like to call myself sometimesgrowing up, and maybe you feel
this way to sort of a silentobserver.
Kerry (17:27):
Oh, yes, especially, I think, silent then, not now.
Chrisy (17:30):
Well, yeah, Well, because you're young and you
write when you're the're theyoungest you kind of don't have
rights and generally I know withme I can't speak for your
situation, but if you talk toomuch, you were told you're
talking too much, so you sort ofkept quiet.
Yes, but we knew somebody whostruggled with eating disorder
(17:51):
and that must be a horribledisease.
Yeah, I recognize that peoplestruggle with a lot of different
battles.
Right, I've been fortunate, Iguess, or I've been told that
I've been fortunate as you've.
If you've listened to ourpodcast, you know I used to
smoke because I set myself onfire one time just trying to do
it.
So I wasn't very good at it.
(18:12):
I guess I don't know, but Inever had and I have no
understanding of that need forit.
Right, I like to do it becausewhen we were, when I was doing
it, yes, I thought it made melook cool, right, and it was a
rebellion thing.
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to dothis because would my mom and
dad want me to do it?
No, no, that's why I'm doing itRight.
(18:34):
And I was always able to quit.
And then I sort of smoked alittle while into my 20s and
early 30s and but it was alwaysshort lived.
Yeah, it was.
I usually picked it up aroundthe holidays because we would be
socially out, mingling anddrinking, and then it would be
would be done, and my husbandalways said that you know, I
(18:54):
don't remember what you saidabout the percentage of there
are people who have the abilityto not really have an issue with
getting that addiction, to say,nicotine or something like that
, something in the brain, Iguess.
I don't know.
I have not been analyzed, thishas not been proven.
He was just stating that therehas been studies on this, but
the eating disorder growing upwith being a witness to that.
(19:18):
My problem wasn't with theperson struggling with it,
because I didn't understand itanyhow.
That was their battle, but myproblem as I got older and
recognized what that was and howit was normalized, because we
all knew what they werestruggling with and we all knew
when they were doing it.
Right, it was glossed over asnormal.
(19:40):
My problem was is that the ageI was when you were normalizing?
this yeah, I would have been apreteen teenage girl.
And eating disorders, and notjust for girls, but I think for
boys too.
Kerry (19:54):
I think more so almost now.
Chrisy (19:56):
At that age are very vulnerable to that and I think
where my family basically failedme and I'm sorry.
Kerry (20:05):
I'm going to say it's a failure.
Chrisy (20:07):
It is they didn't protect me from it.
If I knew somebody wasstruggling with that, if I felt
I could help the personstruggling, I would want to
reach out to them.
But my first and foremost jobwould be to protect my child and
I would not want my children tohave any sort of understanding
that that's normal or healthy.
(20:28):
Not that my family was sayingit was healthy, right.
They just they didn't sayanything either way, right, and
I feel a little cheated that wayand a little angry because I
just don't.
Kerry (20:39):
I think, thank God, thank God, I did not Right Be
influenced by that and that kindof ties into all the crazy
dieting too.
Chrisy (20:47):
Well, yeah, I think in some weird way maybe they were
trying to get me to some weirdspot with they were trying to
show you a different well here.
Kerry (20:59):
You could maybe obtain the weight that you want by
doing this instead of that, butit still was not healthy.
I mean hot dogs and ice cream.
No, I'm still, I can't yeah.
Chrisy (21:12):
No, no, but they didn't have any understanding of that
Right.
Also not to give credit to.
I don't think anybody, duringany time period, should force a
young girl or boy to be on weirddiets.
Yes, I just don't think it'ssomething that should be done.
It was done with me, but okaytime period.
I mean, you stood in thecheckout line at the grocery
(21:34):
store yep, how many dopey littleweight watchers.
Books, I know, or magazines theinquire, the breakthrough diet
you'll lose 50 pounds, right,and you, you know it was pushed
in your face constantly.
It was very normalized, it wasso yeah but uh, yeah, no,
(21:54):
bulimia, anorexia, horrible,horrible diseases.
Yeah, we don't hear.
I mean, they're still there,I'm sure.
Yeah, I'm sure they're there.
But remember when we grew upyeah, it was really they were
really trying to bring awarenessto that.
Yes, meaning we saw they madetv movies about it.
They did with actresses.
There was that one actress thatcame out.
(22:15):
I forgot her name because Ididn't watch the show.
Believe it or not, I didn'twatch something.
You didn't watch a movie.
Well, it wasn't a movie, it wasa tv show I wasn't a dopey tv
shows.
Some of them I thought werebeneath me, but it was an
actress on.
Was that Growing Pains?
Kerry (22:32):
Oh, tracy Gold, tracy Gold.
Yes.
Chrisy (22:35):
She was very much out there with her struggles that
she made.
Good job, dj Nick.
Yeah, thank you.
Karen Carpenter was also in it.
Well, that has become apunchline, which is that's sad.
I've heard some people reallyuse that as a punch line, which
is really unfortunate.
Right, and yeah, and karencarpenter definitely was one
where it came out how shestruggled very much with that,
(22:58):
but that tracy gold I rememberyeah, that was like in the late
80s they made a made for tv showand she was really struggling
with that, yeah, during her timeon that TV show.
And she made a movie.
That about a girl.
It wasn't specifically abouther, but because she dealt with
it and it was a very I rememberwatching that and it was very
(23:21):
troubling, yeah, and scary andjust awful.
You know, like any addiction isthat people struggle for there.
It's a scary idea.
Kerry (23:31):
It is and it's hard.
And again I just have to sayit's hard being on the other
side, the, the family member,you know the family member, that
, where that's your, you knowyour spouse, your sibling, your
child, your best friend,whatever you know to how do you
help without enabling and how Imean?
So it is, it's a sensitivetopic and you know, I know, this
(23:52):
is probably a little heavierthan we would normally go, but
it's something that affectedboth of us.
And it kind of, in a way, hasstarted down this road of
dysfunction, junkies and how wecame to be, as far as you know
the different lifestyles and howour families handle different
things, and so we just kind ofwanted to dabble in that a
little bit today, kind of movingforward.
(24:13):
Well, anyways, we know thatthis was kind of a heavy subject
today, but it was somethingthat both Christy and I have
talked a lot about, because weboth dealt with different types
of addictions or disorders andin our childhood and it's kind
of led into different things inour life and how we've you know,
because our families eithernormalized it or didn't talk
about it and you know how we'refacing things now as adults.
Chrisy (24:37):
Yeah, and just because we aren't professionals.
Just want to make sure we havea little footnote here when
we're talking about theaddictions versus a disorder.
Kerry (24:47):
Yeah, In other words, we might not be using the right
words and we apologize for that,but what we're trying to do is
just gain awareness in that thisis something that affects all
of us in one form or another.
You know whether we knowsomebody or whether personally
handling it, but you know thisis our safe place, this is where
we talk about things, and wehope that you guys feel safe,
too, to talk about things.
And if you want to share yourthoughts you know maybe some
(25:14):
struggles you're having with usand if you don't want to put it
on our Facebook page orInstagram and you just want to
privately email us, you know andshare your story, we would love
to.
We would love to listen to youand if it's something that you
know we could share with others,we would.
You know we want to do thatBecause, yeah, life is hard.
Chrisy (25:26):
Life is hard and we really want to promote, if you
know, anybody who is strugglingwith any of these addictions
disorders please research, helpthem.
There's so many places you canfind.
Yes, help, you know, reach out,try to help that person, ask
them if they need help or, youknow, want to talk, or maybe if
(25:48):
you talk to somebody whospecializes in these areas, they
can maybe give you someguidance, give you some support,
because you're dealing withsomething like that.
Probably my problem with sayingthese things incorrectly only
because and I don't mean anydisrespect, because, number one,
I'm not a professional, butbecause it was normalized for me
.
Yes, so I have a really lousytime of establishing, because
(26:09):
nobody sat down with me andtalked to me about what the hell
was going on.
So, pardon me, but, yeah,addiction disease disorder.
Oh, my god, I got it all.
I got it all okay I'm messed up.
Kerry (26:22):
We all are because, chrisy, we're junkies in our own
way.
We love you all, no matter whatno matter what, but before we go
, I do want to lead into acouple things coming up, because
we are going to a whole newlevel here at dysfunction
(26:44):
junkies.
You know we've we've kind ofgot our feet on the ground.
We were what into our 46thepisode now and been going
strong, and but it is time forus to start something that we
are going to call Junkies Care.
And that is because we do careand we do want to do the right
thing and we want to recognizedifferent things, different
(27:04):
organizations.
So be sure to tune into ournext episode that's going to be
coming up on the first of themonth.
Every first of the month we'regoing to have a junkies care
episode and it's going to beabout how we are going to be
talking about differentorganizations or programs,
things like that, because wecare.
So, that's just a little teaseron what's coming up next and
(27:26):
we're very excited about it.
We are so stay tuned for thatand, as always, you can find us
on Facebook or Instagram.
You can reach out to us on ouremail dysfunctionjunkies at
gmailcom.
We would love to hear from youand, hey, if you need some help,
please make sure you reach outto somebody and we care for you
guys.
Chrisy (27:45):
Yes, don't be ashamed to ask for help ever.
Kerry (27:47):
Right, all right, you guys, we'll see you next week.
Yep, bye, bye.
Welcome to the Dysfunction Junkies podcast.
We may not have seen it all, butwe've seen enough.
And now here are your hosts,Chrisy and Kerry
Kerry (00:18):
.
Hello Junkies, hi Chrissy,
Chrisy (00:24):
hi Keri,
Kerry (00:25):
I feel like it's been forever since we've been
together it seems that waydoesn't it.
Chrisy (00:31):
I think we just love each other so much we want to be
together all the time, all thetime.
Kerry (00:36):
Oh my, oh my, oh my.
Well, today's episode we'vekind of dabbled a little bit of
this here and there, but we'regoing to kind of talk about some
.
This is going to be a littlebit of a heavy subject.
Yeah, yeah, kind of good.
Chrisy (00:52):
I know Long pause, he ain't heavy, he's my brother.
Kerry (00:57):
We're going to talk about addictions and disorders and
how that has affected each of usin our own ways growing up, and
you know we understand thatthis is really something that
affects a lot of people.
Whether somebody's battlingwith an addiction or disorder on
their own or you have a familymember or a friend, it does have
a ripple effect.
(01:18):
So today's episode is not meantto all be disrespectful, but
we're just talking about ourexperiences and hopefully, you
know, find a light on how tomove forward.
So Absolutely.
What's your thoughts, Chrisy?
Chrisy (01:31):
Well, I totally agree, addictions and disorders, if
you're not struggling with thempersonally, I mean you still
kind of are.
If you know somebody who isstruggling, it becomes personal
for everybody, I think, involved.
Kerry (01:43):
Yes.
Chrisy (01:44):
It's hard to watch somebody deal with the issues of
an addiction and I think thatactually over the last not last
few years, but many years Ithink there's been a lot more
awareness.
Yes, not just for the personstruggling directly with the
addiction or disorder, but thepeople who are their support
system.
Yes, so there's been more outthere for support for the people
(02:05):
who are their support system.
Yes, so there's been more outthere for support for the people
who have to support.
Kerry (02:10):
Yes, 100%.
And I personally, you know,obviously we all have people
that we know or maybe we have,you know dealing with things
ourselves.
It's hard sometimes because youare trying to be helpful but
you also have to protect yourown space, you have to protect
your own mental health, and youknow it's a struggle.
(02:30):
So when Chrisy, I startedtalking about this, we were
thinking about our childhoods,as we often do, and trying to
dive down the rabbit hole ofwhere did this all start?
And, chrisy, I both realizedthat it really for both of us it
started in the beginningbetween her family normalizing
and my family not talking aboutit.
So I'll go first.
(02:51):
So in my family, gambling thereis an addiction to gambling in
my family and it was.
It was my dad.
I mean, I'll say it becauseI've talked about it before.
You know, my dad's passed awayand it was something that he
struggled with his whole life,but it was something that my
family didn't talk about and itwasn't until the later years
that it was really come to thesurface and it was talked about.
(03:13):
So that was hard, because nowin hindsight, I go back and look
at things and everything makessense and it's like, oh well, if
we would have only talked aboutit, maybe we could have been
more supportive of him, or maybewe could have been more helpful
, or maybe things wouldn't haveprogressed to the level it did
(03:33):
if it wasn't this hush hushunder the rug thing.
It was interesting so, butlittle things like.
I'll remember as a kid I think,when we talked about the I
forget which episode it was.
We talked about how I wantedthat plush puppy, that from the,
from the book thing, and what Iended up did is I ended up
(03:54):
taking some money, and what'sfunny is part of the money that
I took.
When it came up missing, nobodythought to look at the kid
Apparently.
All the blame went to my dad.
Came up missing, nobody thoughtto look at the kid Apparently,
all the blame went to my dad,and you know.
So it was like, oh, but it wasokay, you know, and so, like I
got away with something becausehe was the, he got blamed for it
(04:17):
and he didn't do it.
He got blamed for the moneybeing missing, some of the money
being missing, but it reallyjust wasn't there.
Well, no, I took the.
When it became up missing, mymom just assumed it was my dad.
So you know.
So, like just you wouldn'tthink that you know normally so,
(04:38):
but now in hindsight you knowit's like, oh well, you know, a
little bit of me feels bad thatmy dad got blamed for what I did
, but at the same time well,like if he wouldn't have been
gambling.
And then, just whenever we weregoing through the house and
whenever we sold the house andeverything, I remember we went,
we were going through the atticand things and we would find
(04:59):
coffee cans full of lotterytickets.
Just shoved full.
Chrisy (05:06):
I mean, what was the reasoning, you think, for
keeping them?
Kerry (05:10):
Well, because if you spend so much, there's somehow
you do it with your taxes.
So if you have the receipts,you have the tickets.
I guess if you spend so much,you can actually I don't know
write that off or against yourlosses and your wins.
I don't know for sure.
Are you kidding, not kidding?
Chrisy (05:28):
but I did not know this yeah.
Kerry (05:31):
I think, if you win, somehow that helps you, but I
don't Again, how much do youwant to bet that?
Chrisy (05:36):
people who?
I have a parent that enjoyedlottery and played a lot, and
I'm not speaking of her becauseI have no idea, but I don't
remember her saving anythinglike that.
And I'm sure that hers maybewasn't at the level of your
father, I'm sure it wasn't.
But I mean she enjoyed doing it, but people who probably suffer
(05:59):
with that type of addiction anddo spend a lot of money doing
it yeah.
I would think, because I thinkthe illness causes them to think
they're always going to end upon top.
Kerry (06:08):
Oh, yes, yes, so this is your yeah top.
Chrisy (06:14):
Oh, yes, yes, so this is your.
Yeah, they probably wouldn't.
I don't know how to say this.
They wouldn't claim it Right,because they are probably
thinking they made money Right.
Because I think when they havethat illness they think they're
always on top, but they're notRight, so mentally they probably
don't conceptualize that theyprobably were at a loss.
Kerry (06:31):
Yeah, again, I'm not a tax accountant person or
anything, but there's somewherein my little database of memory
when we, when he did win big atone point, big enough that it
had to be claimed.
I think that's where this cameinto play, because he maybe
didn't have to pay as much tax.
I don't, I don't know, I'm nota tax person and who knows I
(06:52):
could have been fed all this BS.
I don't know I'm not a taxperson and who knows I could
have been fed all this BS.
I don't know.
But all I know is we foundbuckets, we found bags.
I mean, I would I don't evenknow how much money if I would
have added up each ticket,because it was a huge amount,
but they'd be tucked, they werehidden because obviously he was
(07:12):
trying to hide.
This was happening.
So you know, we just cameacross all and it was so sad.
It was just so like, oh my God,the magnitude of the situation,
magnitude of, oh my gosh, ifthat's a dollar ticket, which
they weren't, they were likefive or ten dollar tickets,
right, and you're shoved into acoffee can and shoved into a bag
(07:34):
and shoved into a box, andwe're talking boxes and boxes.
Oh, so it made sense of, well,why partly money was tight
growing up because any littlebit money was trying to, you
know, and that's part of thatcycle.
So, yeah, it was really, it wassomething to.
It was a lot to digest.
I'm sure it was a hard.
Yeah, reality check, yes, yes.
Chrisy (07:56):
Absolutely.
Can you imagine if those cansand bags were filled instead of
lottery tickets?
We were actually, for that wasthe money that was in those cans
and those bags.
Kerry (08:07):
Yes, that would have been our life would have been
different.
My mom's life would have beendifferent.
That would have been.
Our life would have beendifferent, my mom's life would
have been different.
So looking at that is justreally like.
You know, again, that was aaddiction that he had, but it
had the ripple effect on therest of the family and then the
whole behavior.
And then how do you help?
Not enable that, but how do youhelp them?
(08:28):
And you know, that's finallywhere certain healthy boundaries
had to be.
I had to make.
It was like no, you know, Icannot continue to support you
by if you are continuing to dothis, and it's hard, it's really
hard.
Chrisy (08:42):
So, yeah, oh no, definitely.
Well, the one thing I wrotedown while you were talking is
the when we talk about the twoways we were brought up right.
Yours was to not talk aboutright the problems and mine was
to basically normalize it.
Yeah this is what they do.
So if I had that situation youknow to that extent that I was
(09:02):
dealing with personally theywould have been like they like
to do that, yeah that's whatthey do, I mean with my
grandfather, with the drinkingyou talked about, that you know
he drinks, even though he wasn'tworking anymore.
Kerry (09:17):
But it was just.
That's what he does.
Chrisy (09:19):
Yeah, that's, he worked in the mill.
He worked hard, he made sure heprovided for his family.
There was no you know reason toturn that into a demon.
Right it just it is what it is.
Yep, that's what grandpas do,yeah, who work in mills or
anywhere else, I don't know.
(09:39):
I only had the one that myother grandfather was a milkman.
It was for Isley's, this partof the country.
Isley's was a dairy here and avery loved dairy, and my
grandfather my other grandfatherwas an Isley was a dairy here
and a very loved dairy, and mygrandfather, my other
grandfather, was an Isleymilkman and I don't remember if
he had he was really sick prettymuch from what I can remember
(10:04):
growing up and he passed awaywhen I was like eight years old
and he was paralyzed on one sidebecause I think he was a really
bad diabetic.
Oh man, I think he had a stroke,and so my relationship with him
was very different.
So I don't know if he struggledwith anything.
I don't remember really hearinganything, but yeah.
So what I was going to say was,though, ignoring the problem,
(10:24):
yeah, and normalizing theproblem, to me, for both
situations would basically equalno help.
Right, correct, yes, there isno help because there's no
reason to help anybody.
It doesn't exist.
Yep, it's not a problem, or?
that's just normal, right?
You don't get help for that,right?
Why are you wasting people'stime asking for help, right?
It's normal Right.
(10:45):
So I think it's a really badthing on both ends.
Kerry (10:48):
It is on both ends it is.
We need to be somewhere in themiddle and that kind of leads to
one of the things that where Iwas coming to as I got older was
why do I need to tiptoe aroundyour disorder, like, why can't
we talk about this?
Let's talk about this, let'stry to, you know, address it,
let's try to get to the root ofit, let's try to find some help
not only for the person but forthe rest of those that are
(11:15):
around.
You know everybody is involvedin this and that kind of led
into another ripple effect laterin life.
You know other family members,different problems, different,
you know challenges that they'vehad, where I've actually had
someone say to me that they havea problem with the name of our
podcast because we say junkies,because they felt offended
because we use that term and itwas comparing because of people
(11:39):
that have drug issues.
And I was just so taken abackby that because I'm like junkies
can mean so many differentthings and, by all means, chrisy
and I did not mean to offendanybody by using that term, but
so I kind of looked it up in thedictionary a little bit to see
what a junkie is OK and one ofthe definitions and this is what
(12:00):
we were going after was aperson who gets an unusual
amount of pleasure from, or hasan unusual amount of interest in
, something.
And that's to me, ourdefinition of dysfunction
junkies, because we do have anunusual amount of interest in
dysfunction, right, becausewe're so surrounded by it, and I
think a lot of people do,whether they recognize it or not
(12:22):
, right?
And so here, something so simpleas the name of our podcast
caused this big you know.
You know, you, you areoffending, you know, the people
that have drug addictions.
And I'm like, well, first ofall, that's not what it meant.
And then I was told, well, youknow, you're a junkie too and
I'm like, well, as far as adysfunction junkie, yes, I've
(12:45):
not had a drug problem, but yeah, that's kind of the name of the
show because we have, we talk alot about the dysfunctions of
life.
So, yeah, I'll admit that.
So what I did after that was Istarted talking to people that I
know that have drug problems or, you know, battling drug
addictions or differentaddictions, whatever.
And I've asked them.
(13:06):
I'm like, you know, some ofthem had listened to the show
and some had not, but I wouldtell them about what the purpose
of the show was, of them hadlistened to the show and some
had not.
But I would tell them aboutwhat the purpose of the show was
.
And so I just came out andasked, was like, are you
offended by the name of our show?
And but we is, and you knowwhat, I've not had one person
say they were.
I've had more people say, oh mygosh, no.
And one of the people that Iasked is a recovering addict who
(13:29):
now works with addicts andeverything.
And this person was like no,you've made lemonade out of
lemons, you know, like they werejust so.
It kind of made me feel betterBecause I'm like we did not.
You know, we joke around a lot.
We do make light of things, butit was never meant to offend
anyone.
But it goes back to my thoughtof again why can't I use this
(13:51):
word, these words't I use thesewords?
This is my experience.
Chrisy (13:55):
It would be very difficult to well, we're
obviously not the only ones thatcaught on to this word.
I'm not going to promoteanything else unless?
Anybody out there wants topartner up and promote each
other.
But just looking into when wewere going to start this, we did
.
Yes, we definitely are not theonly ones that latched on to
(14:16):
that.
Kerry (14:16):
Right, yes, word Right, and they just put a different
word in front of it yes.
So whether it was, you know,comedy junkies or whatever you
know, yes, there are a lot ofpeople who I do believe also
follow that definition.
Chrisy (14:33):
Yes, and that's what it means to them and what is near
and dear to their heart or thatthey've had experience with.
Yeah, so yeah, that's a toughone.
It is tough, and again, wedon't mean to offend.
I guess when you told me that Iwas a little bit like really.
I mean, you know, because it'sjust and we mean no disrespect
with that word, Right?
(14:53):
I mean, I think in the pastI've heard people use it in a
comical way and I never.
If it was brought up that way,I never felt it was a diss to
anybody struggling withaddiction, Correct?
I just thought it meant youreally like that.
Yes, so much.
Kerry (15:10):
Yes, or you're really affected by it, or you have a
lot of this in your life, or youknow whatever.
Chrisy (15:15):
I could have been called growing up because I was so
into it an Elvis junkie.
Kerry (15:20):
Oh, yes, yeah, I would have said movie, but yes, well,
I am still that you know or?
Chrisy (15:28):
a music junkie, or I love the Beatles, so I'm a
Beatles junkie, or I love theBeatles, so I'm a Beatles junkie
.
I think it just means youreally.
Kerry (15:34):
I mean, there's other things that it can be connected
to it, doesn't?
Chrisy (15:37):
have to be negative.
Kerry (15:38):
No no.
Chrisy (15:39):
And I think it was almost sort of like when you're
really trying to explainsomebody who has an addiction,
disease of some sort like that,which is horrible to struggle
with.
Yes, I almost feel like, if youuse this word that we're using
for sort of fun, yes, I thinkit's almost an insult for
somebody who's truly struggling,yeah, to use that.
(15:59):
Yes, I, just for me.
I think it's more fun to usethe word here yes, where we're
having a good time, yeah, andjust talking about being able to
try and deal with these oddthings, yes, and move on.
You know it's talking moreabout us.
We are not pointing the finger,we're looking at it.
We are the people.
Kerry (16:18):
We are the junkies we are .
We are because we recognizedysfunction and we see it all
around us and we grew up with itand everything.
So, yeah, this is kind ofinteresting and then you know,
now also kind of dealing withsome different things.
So okay, so what otherdisorders?
Chrisy (16:40):
you know like what affected you growing up.
I talked about my dad'sfeelings.
Kerry (16:43):
Well, I mean the drinking with my grandfather.
Chrisy (16:44):
But you know what?
I don't want to sit here andsay it like defined me or even
really affected me that much,because it was normalized.
Kerry (16:54):
Right.
Chrisy (16:54):
And he never really.
He wasn't nice when he drankand he was insulting my
grandmother got the most of it.
I think my dad would sometimesget it when my dad wasn't
present, Right, my grandfatherseemed to be really open to
being insulting about my dad,but I don't remember my dad.
Kerry (17:15):
But you had another disorder.
Chrisy (17:17):
There was another disease that I was witness to.
I like to call myself sometimesgrowing up, and maybe you feel
this way to sort of a silentobserver.
Kerry (17:27):
Oh, yes, especially, I think, silent then, not now.
Chrisy (17:30):
Well, yeah, Well, because you're young and you
write when you're the're theyoungest you kind of don't have
rights and generally I know withme I can't speak for your
situation, but if you talk toomuch, you were told you're
talking too much, so you sort ofkept quiet.
Yes, but we knew somebody whostruggled with eating disorder
(17:51):
and that must be a horribledisease.
Yeah, I recognize that peoplestruggle with a lot of different
battles.
Right, I've been fortunate, Iguess, or I've been told that
I've been fortunate as you've.
If you've listened to ourpodcast, you know I used to
smoke because I set myself onfire one time just trying to do
it.
So I wasn't very good at it.
(18:12):
I guess I don't know, but Inever had and I have no
understanding of that need forit.
Right, I like to do it becausewhen we were, when I was doing
it, yes, I thought it made melook cool, right, and it was a
rebellion thing.
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to dothis because would my mom and
dad want me to do it?
No, no, that's why I'm doing itRight.
(18:34):
And I was always able to quit.
And then I sort of smoked alittle while into my 20s and
early 30s and but it was alwaysshort lived.
Yeah, it was.
I usually picked it up aroundthe holidays because we would be
socially out, mingling anddrinking, and then it would be
would be done, and my husbandalways said that you know, I
(18:54):
don't remember what you saidabout the percentage of there
are people who have the abilityto not really have an issue with
getting that addiction, to say,nicotine or something like that
, something in the brain, Iguess.
I don't know.
I have not been analyzed, thishas not been proven.
He was just stating that therehas been studies on this, but
the eating disorder growing upwith being a witness to that.
(19:18):
My problem wasn't with theperson struggling with it,
because I didn't understand itanyhow.
That was their battle, but myproblem as I got older and
recognized what that was and howit was normalized, because we
all knew what they werestruggling with and we all knew
when they were doing it.
Right, it was glossed over asnormal.
(19:40):
My problem was is that the ageI was when you were normalizing?
this yeah, I would have been apreteen teenage girl.
And eating disorders, and notjust for girls, but I think for
boys too.
Kerry (19:54):
I think more so almost now.
Chrisy (19:56):
At that age are very vulnerable to that and I think
where my family basically failedme and I'm sorry.
Kerry (20:05):
I'm going to say it's a failure.
Chrisy (20:07):
It is they didn't protect me from it.
If I knew somebody wasstruggling with that, if I felt
I could help the personstruggling, I would want to
reach out to them.
But my first and foremost jobwould be to protect my child and
I would not want my children tohave any sort of understanding
that that's normal or healthy.
(20:28):
Not that my family was sayingit was healthy, right.
They just they didn't sayanything either way, right, and
I feel a little cheated that wayand a little angry because I
just don't.
Kerry (20:39):
I think, thank God, thank God, I did not Right Be
influenced by that and that kindof ties into all the crazy
dieting too.
Chrisy (20:47):
Well, yeah, I think in some weird way maybe they were
trying to get me to some weirdspot with they were trying to
show you a different well here.
Kerry (20:59):
You could maybe obtain the weight that you want by
doing this instead of that, butit still was not healthy.
I mean hot dogs and ice cream.
No, I'm still, I can't yeah.
Chrisy (21:12):
No, no, but they didn't have any understanding of that
Right.
Also not to give credit to.
I don't think anybody, duringany time period, should force a
young girl or boy to be on weirddiets.
Yes, I just don't think it'ssomething that should be done.
It was done with me, but okaytime period.
I mean, you stood in thecheckout line at the grocery
(21:34):
store yep, how many dopey littleweight watchers.
Books, I know, or magazines theinquire, the breakthrough diet
you'll lose 50 pounds, right,and you, you know it was pushed
in your face constantly.
It was very normalized, it wasso yeah but uh, yeah, no,
(21:54):
bulimia, anorexia, horrible,horrible diseases.
Yeah, we don't hear.
I mean, they're still there,I'm sure.
Yeah, I'm sure they're there.
But remember when we grew upyeah, it was really they were
really trying to bring awarenessto that.
Yes, meaning we saw they madetv movies about it.
They did with actresses.
There was that one actress thatcame out.
(22:15):
I forgot her name because Ididn't watch the show.
Believe it or not, I didn'twatch something.
You didn't watch a movie.
Well, it wasn't a movie, it wasa tv show I wasn't a dopey tv
shows.
Some of them I thought werebeneath me, but it was an
actress on.
Was that Growing Pains?
Kerry (22:32):
Oh, tracy Gold, tracy Gold.
Yes.
Chrisy (22:35):
She was very much out there with her struggles that
she made.
Good job, dj Nick.
Yeah, thank you.
Karen Carpenter was also in it.
Well, that has become apunchline, which is that's sad.
I've heard some people reallyuse that as a punch line, which
is really unfortunate.
Right, and yeah, and karencarpenter definitely was one
where it came out how shestruggled very much with that,
(22:58):
but that tracy gold I rememberyeah, that was like in the late
80s they made a made for tv showand she was really struggling
with that, yeah, during her timeon that TV show.
And she made a movie.
That about a girl.
It wasn't specifically abouther, but because she dealt with
it and it was a very I rememberwatching that and it was very
(23:21):
troubling, yeah, and scary andjust awful.
You know, like any addiction isthat people struggle for there.
It's a scary idea.
Kerry (23:31):
It is and it's hard.
And again I just have to sayit's hard being on the other
side, the, the family member,you know the family member, that
, where that's your, you knowyour spouse, your sibling, your
child, your best friend,whatever you know to how do you
help without enabling and how Imean?
So it is, it's a sensitivetopic and you know, I know, this
(23:52):
is probably a little heavierthan we would normally go, but
it's something that affectedboth of us.
And it kind of, in a way, hasstarted down this road of
dysfunction, junkies and how wecame to be, as far as you know
the different lifestyles and howour families handle different
things, and so we just kind ofwanted to dabble in that a
little bit today, kind of movingforward.
(24:13):
Well, anyways, we know thatthis was kind of a heavy subject
today, but it was somethingthat both Christy and I have
talked a lot about, because weboth dealt with different types
of addictions or disorders andin our childhood and it's kind
of led into different things inour life and how we've you know,
because our families eithernormalized it or didn't talk
about it and you know how we'refacing things now as adults.
Chrisy (24:37):
Yeah, and just because we aren't professionals.
Just want to make sure we havea little footnote here when
we're talking about theaddictions versus a disorder.
Kerry (24:47):
Yeah, In other words, we might not be using the right
words and we apologize for that,but what we're trying to do is
just gain awareness in that thisis something that affects all
of us in one form or another.
You know whether we knowsomebody or whether personally
handling it, but you know thisis our safe place, this is where
we talk about things, and wehope that you guys feel safe,
too, to talk about things.
And if you want to share yourthoughts you know maybe some
(25:14):
struggles you're having with usand if you don't want to put it
on our Facebook page orInstagram and you just want to
privately email us, you know andshare your story, we would love
to.
We would love to listen to youand if it's something that you
know we could share with others,we would.
You know we want to do thatBecause, yeah, life is hard.
Chrisy (25:26):
Life is hard and we really want to promote, if you
know, anybody who is strugglingwith any of these addictions
disorders please research, helpthem.
There's so many places you canfind.
Yes, help, you know, reach out,try to help that person, ask
them if they need help or, youknow, want to talk, or maybe if
(25:48):
you talk to somebody whospecializes in these areas, they
can maybe give you someguidance, give you some support,
because you're dealing withsomething like that.
Probably my problem with sayingthese things incorrectly only
because and I don't mean anydisrespect, because, number one,
I'm not a professional, butbecause it was normalized for me
.
Yes, so I have a really lousytime of establishing, because
(26:09):
nobody sat down with me andtalked to me about what the hell
was going on.
So, pardon me, but, yeah,addiction disease disorder.
Oh, my god, I got it all.
I got it all okay I'm messed up.
Kerry (26:22):
We all are because, chrisy, we're junkies in our own
way.
We love you all, no matter whatno matter what, but before we go
, I do want to lead into acouple things coming up, because
we are going to a whole newlevel here at dysfunction
(26:44):
junkies.
You know we've we've kind ofgot our feet on the ground.
We were what into our 46thepisode now and been going
strong, and but it is time forus to start something that we
are going to call Junkies Care.
And that is because we do careand we do want to do the right
thing and we want to recognizedifferent things, different
(27:04):
organizations.
So be sure to tune into ournext episode that's going to be
coming up on the first of themonth.
Every first of the month we'regoing to have a junkies care
episode and it's going to beabout how we are going to be
talking about differentorganizations or programs,
things like that, because wecare.
So, that's just a little teaseron what's coming up next and
(27:26):
we're very excited about it.
We are so stay tuned for thatand, as always, you can find us
on Facebook or Instagram.
You can reach out to us on ouremail dysfunctionjunkies at
gmailcom.
We would love to hear from youand, hey, if you need some help,
please make sure you reach outto somebody and we care for you
guys.
Chrisy (27:45):
Yes, don't be ashamed to ask for help ever.
Kerry (27:47):
Right, all right, you guys, we'll see you next week.
Yep, bye, bye.
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